Dino Rizzo Offers Practical Help for Dealing with the Pressures of Ministry

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us today to pop us in your earbuds today us today to pop us in your earbuds today we've got a great guest on Dino Rizzo we've got a great guest on Dino Rizzo we've got a great guest on Dino Rizzo from arc the association of related from arc the association of related from arc the association of related churches he's also an associate pastor churches he's also an associate pastor churches he's also an associate pastor at church of the Highlands one of those at church of the Highlands one of those at church of the Highlands one of those fantastic churches you got a few leaders fantastic churches you got a few leaders fantastic churches you got a few leaders from Church of the Highlands on I'm just from Church of the Highlands on I'm just from Church of the Highlands on I'm just so glad you're on the show today dino oh so glad you're on the show today dino oh so glad you're on the show today dino oh thanks so much it's it's a real honor thanks so much it's it's a real honor thanks so much it's it's a real honor and I appreciate you know that's great and I appreciate you know that's great and I appreciate you know that's great for folks that don't know it's the arc for folks that don't know it's the arc for folks that don't know it's the arc or Association related churches is or Association related churches is or Association related churches is really a you know a search planting really a you know a search planting really a you know a search planting church support organization started by church support organization started by church support organization started by six pastors about 15 years ago they've six pastors about 15 years ago they've six pastors about 15 years ago they've launched literally hundreds of churches launched literally hundreds of churches launched literally hundreds of churches well how much are you up to how many well how much are you up to how many well how much are you up to how many churches you up to supporting now well churches you up to supporting now well churches you up to supporting now well right at 566 it's just kind of exciting right at 566 it's just kind of exciting right at 566 it's just kind of exciting it's been a fun it's been a fun couple it's been a fun it's been a fun couple it's been a fun it's been a fun couple of years that's how he's watching you of years that's how he's watching you of years that's how he's watching you know it did grow and it's 15 years old I know it did grow and it's 15 years old I know it did grow and it's 15 years old I found it was Billy horns beat it was found it was Billy horns beat it was found it was Billy horns beat it was just we called him the biskits enough of just we called him the biskits enough of just we called him the biskits enough of Louisiana and was just a great man and Louisiana and was just a great man and Louisiana and was just a great man and put us put us in the right trajectory he put us put us in the right trajectory he put us put us in the right trajectory he passed away a couple years ago and he's passed away a couple years ago and he's passed away a couple years ago and he's still in all of our hearts still in all of our hearts still in all of our hearts nice very cool well why don't you tell nice very cool well why don't you tell nice very cool well why don't you tell us about Ark and then tell us about a us about Ark and then tell us about a us about Ark and then tell us about a bit of the Dino Rizzo story well I mean

bit of the Dino Rizzo story well I mean bit of the Dino Rizzo story well I mean art began with a conversation that art began with a conversation that art began with a conversation that building horns being Greg Suhr at hat building horns being Greg Suhr at hat building horns being Greg Suhr at hat faster Greg threw out there and see cuz faster Greg threw out there and see cuz faster Greg threw out there and see cuz he just he he's my boss and so he's just he just he he's my boss and so he's just he just he he's my boss and so he's just just a great a great conversation about just a great a great conversation about just a great a great conversation about what could it be like if we came what could it be like if we came what could it be like if we came together and helped plant churches where together and helped plant churches where together and helped plant churches where we didn't have to go through it the way we didn't have to go through it the way we didn't have to go through it the way all of us did you know my wife and I we all of us did you know my wife and I we all of us did you know my wife and I we planted a church in 1993 a Healing Place planted a church in 1993 a Healing Place planted a church in 1993 a Healing Place Church in Baton Rouge patched over 20 Church in Baton Rouge patched over 20 Church in Baton Rouge patched over 20 years and we started man we started with years and we started man we started with years and we started man we started with nobody and no money and so that I was I nobody and no money and so that I was I nobody and no money and so that I was I was brought into a conversation then and was brought into a conversation then and was brought into a conversation then and along with Scott Hornsby and then we along with Scott Hornsby and then we along with Scott Hornsby and then we said you know let's plant some guys I said you know let's plant some guys I said you know let's plant some guys I said said said first two guys were Chris Hodges and first two guys were Chris Hodges and first two guys were Chris Hodges and Rigby's that they planted on the same Rigby's that they planted on the same Rigby's that they planted on the same day I was 15 years ago and so it's been day I was 15 years ago and so it's been day I was 15 years ago and so it's been a lot of just learning we in our offices a lot of just learning we in our offices a lot of just learning we in our offices here in Birmingham now we've got a great here in Birmingham now we've got a great here in Birmingham now we've got a great team a great staff and we do a lot of a team a great staff and we do a lot of a team a great staff and we do a lot of a lot of assessing a lot of prelaunch lot of assessing a lot of prelaunch lot of assessing a lot of prelaunch coaching a lot of conversation as a coaching a lot of conversation as a coaching a lot of conversation as a relational resources and building a relational resources and building a relational resources and building a launch team and what does your launch team and what does your launch team and what does your experience look like and what does your experience look like and what does your experience look like and what does your prayer base look like and you know and prayer base look like and you know and prayer base look like and you know and how are you putting together the how are you putting together the how are you putting together the different aspects of ministry so it's a different aspects of ministry so it's a different aspects of ministry so it's a lot of fun and we're just having a blast lot of fun and we're just having a blast lot of fun and we're just having a blast helping couples live out the dream in helping couples live out the dream in helping couples live out the dream in their heart mmm very cool you know I their heart mmm very cool you know I their heart mmm very cool you know I know you obviously have a great know you obviously have a great know you obviously have a great perspective you've you know influenced a perspective you've you know influenced a perspective you've you know influenced a lot of church leaders you get a chance lot of church leaders you get a chance lot of church leaders you get a chance to see a lot of different church leaders to see a lot of different church leaders to see a lot of different church leaders and in your you know own kind of journey and in your you know own kind of journey and in your you know own kind of journey when you look back it kind of you know when you look back it kind of you know when you look back it kind of you know as you're you know coaching and leading as you're you know coaching and leading as you're you know coaching and leading leaders what would you say are some of leaders what would you say are some of leaders what would you say are some of those demands that that are you know

those demands that that are you know those demands that that are you know that come on to church leaders that may that come on to church leaders that may that come on to church leaders that may you know maybe derail or push them in you know maybe derail or push them in you know maybe derail or push them in the wrong direction what does that look the wrong direction what does that look the wrong direction what does that look like for you well I mean there's so many like for you well I mean there's so many like for you well I mean there's so many and a lot of them are self-imposed you and a lot of them are self-imposed you and a lot of them are self-imposed you know and I know I went to a time where I know and I know I went to a time where I know and I know I went to a time where I derailed a little bit and just tried to derailed a little bit and just tried to derailed a little bit and just tried to try to sort things out and you know if try to sort things out and you know if try to sort things out and you know if you don't have good friends if you don't you don't have good friends if you don't you don't have good friends if you don't have a good pastor if you don't have have a good pastor if you don't have have a good pastor if you don't have people in your life that you can bounce people in your life that you can bounce people in your life that you can bounce things off of I think sometimes we feel things off of I think sometimes we feel things off of I think sometimes we feel like we've got a we've got to have the like we've got a we've got to have the like we've got a we've got to have the answers to everything and we've got to answers to everything and we've got to answers to everything and we've got to be the man and it's hard though to you be the man and it's hard though to you be the man and it's hard though to you know raise your hand and say I have a know raise your hand and say I have a know raise your hand and say I have a question or I don't feel good or can I question or I don't feel good or can I question or I don't feel good or can I go to the bathroom it's so weak we just go to the bathroom it's so weak we just go to the bathroom it's so weak we just stay stuck in some of those were stay stuck in some of those were stay stuck in some of those were unhealthy and we're overwhelmed and unhealthy and we're overwhelmed and unhealthy and we're overwhelmed and we're stressed and so I think watching we're stressed and so I think watching we're stressed and so I think watching great leaders and communicating with great leaders and communicating with great leaders and communicating with leaders and going through the ups and leaders and going through the ups and leaders and going through the ups and down so it's one thing I love about down so it's one thing I love about down so it's one thing I love about arcus we have a group of friends that arcus we have a group of friends that arcus we have a group of friends that we've been friends for a while and we've we've been friends for a while and we've we've been friends for a while and we've been through the ups and downs the good been through the ups and downs the good been through the ups and downs the good the bad the ugly and at the end of the the bad the ugly and at the end of the the bad the ugly and at the end of the day we need each other we can't isolate day we need each other we can't isolate day we need each other we can't isolate we've got to be willing to sit at a we've got to be willing to sit at a we've got to be willing to sit at a table with people that are not impressed table with people that are not impressed table with people that are not impressed with us they don't ask hard questions with us they don't ask hard questions with us they don't ask hard questions and then if we're not doing well that and then if we're not doing well that and then if we're not doing well that they'll let us in a safe harbor get they'll let us in a safe harbor get they'll let us in a safe harbor get healthy but it's our marriage or dealing healthy but it's our marriage or dealing healthy but it's our marriage or dealing with our kids our money or just own with our kids our money or just own with our kids our money or just own personal pain or personal defeats or personal pain or personal defeats or personal pain or personal defeats or sometimes our successes that get us all sometimes our successes that get us all sometimes our successes that get us all jacked up jacked up jacked up and so it's just you know community and and so it's just you know community and and so it's just you know community and community and conversation is huge among community and conversation is huge among community and conversation is huge among leaders because if you're alone in your leaders because if you're alone in your leaders because if you're alone in your own thoughts you can go crazy absolutely own thoughts you can go crazy absolutely own thoughts you can go crazy absolutely and I think a lot of times church

and I think a lot of times church and I think a lot of times church leadership I know I can identify this in leadership I know I can identify this in leadership I know I can identify this in my own you know world it can be a fairly my own you know world it can be a fairly my own you know world it can be a fairly isolating experience it can you know you isolating experience it can you know you isolating experience it can you know you look around and you're like I can't look around and you're like I can't look around and you're like I can't really talk to the people in my church I really talk to the people in my church I really talk to the people in my church I have a hard time doing that they're have a hard time doing that they're have a hard time doing that they're coming to me all the time with their coming to me all the time with their coming to me all the time with their problems how do church leaders how do problems how do church leaders how do problems how do church leaders how do pastors develop relationships with other pastors develop relationships with other pastors develop relationships with other you know safe folks folks that love them you know safe folks folks that love them you know safe folks folks that love them but I love what you said aren't but I love what you said aren't but I love what you said aren't impressed with them you know yeah Alex impressed with them you know yeah Alex impressed with them you know yeah Alex that are like hey these are people that that are like hey these are people that that are like hey these are people that I'm you know okay they care for me but I'm you know okay they care for me but I'm you know okay they care for me but at the end of the day or they know where at the end of the day or they know where at the end of the day or they know where they know we're human how do you build they know we're human how do you build they know we're human how do you build those relationships what's that look those relationships what's that look those relationships what's that look like like like well yeah it's risky and you got to put well yeah it's risky and you got to put well yeah it's risky and you got to put yourself out there and you know they've yourself out there and you know they've yourself out there and you know they've got to be spirit land they've got to be got to be spirit land they've got to be got to be spirit land they've got to be a little bit of kind of you know I use a little bit of kind of you know I use a little bit of kind of you know I use the word it's gotta have a covenant feel the word it's gotta have a covenant feel the word it's gotta have a covenant feel to it where hey man we're in this thing to it where hey man we're in this thing to it where hey man we're in this thing you got blood I got blood it's it's you got blood I got blood it's it's you got blood I got blood it's it's reciprocal reciprocal reciprocal you know this whole you know I'm waiting you know this whole you know I'm waiting you know this whole you know I'm waiting on someone to mentor me that ain't gonna on someone to mentor me that ain't gonna on someone to mentor me that ain't gonna happen right I better I better connect I happen right I better I better connect I happen right I better I better connect I better step out of my closet and connect better step out of my closet and connect better step out of my closet and connect with someone and not be isolated you with someone and not be isolated you with someone and not be isolated you know I used to surf back in the day when know I used to surf back in the day when know I used to surf back in the day when I was a whole lot thinner a whole lot I was a whole lot thinner a whole lot I was a whole lot thinner a whole lot younger and we always had a rule my dad younger and we always had a rule my dad younger and we always had a rule my dad and mom I could go surfing at five in and mom I could go surfing at five in and mom I could go surfing at five in the morning I could surf almost till the morning I could surf almost till the morning I could surf almost till dark and one rule don't surf alone no dark and one rule don't surf alone no dark and one rule don't surf alone no some luck the tides the current the some luck the tides the current the some luck the tides the current the Sharks and you know the crazy it's just Sharks and you know the crazy it's just Sharks and you know the crazy it's just too risky and I think it's sometimes you too risky and I think it's sometimes you too risky and I think it's sometimes you know you could pastor if you're know you could pastor if you're know you could pastor if you're pastoring alone or you don't want to pastoring alone or you don't want to pastoring alone or you don't want to plant a church alone so I think you know plant a church alone so I think you know plant a church alone so I think you know you you've got to be able to put you you've got to be able to put you you've got to be able to put yourself out there you want to be able yourself out there you want to be able yourself out there you want to be able to not be afraid to risk and and I think

to not be afraid to risk and and I think to not be afraid to risk and and I think there's ways I think there are people there's ways I think there are people there's ways I think there are people out there there are big brothers that out there there are big brothers that out there there are big brothers that want to connect with and so I think you want to connect with and so I think you want to connect with and so I think you got to pursue it you can't wait on it to got to pursue it you can't wait on it to got to pursue it you can't wait on it to come to you mm-hmm come to you mm-hmm come to you mm-hmm what do we talk about both sides of that what do we talk about both sides of that what do we talk about both sides of that conversation let's say you'll put conversation let's say you'll put conversation let's say you'll put yourself in the shoes maybe it's a young yourself in the shoes maybe it's a young yourself in the shoes maybe it's a young church planner maybe it's a young leader church planner maybe it's a young leader church planner maybe it's a young leader in a church and you're there today in a church and you're there today in a church and you're there today they're sensing they're a bit lone alone they're sensing they're a bit lone alone they're sensing they're a bit lone alone how do they start that conversation with how do they start that conversation with how do they start that conversation with a big brother what does that look like I a big brother what does that look like I a big brother what does that look like I you know how would they how would you you know how would they how would you you know how would they how would you suggest they even begin that I would suggest they even begin that I would suggest they even begin that I would find out someone I think cares about me find out someone I think cares about me find out someone I think cares about me and loves me and loves my family and loves me and loves my family and loves me and loves my family and doesn't love me for what I could do and doesn't love me for what I could do and doesn't love me for what I could do for them or doesn't love me because of for them or doesn't love me because of for them or doesn't love me because of some ministry success and I would call some ministry success and I would call some ministry success and I would call them and go to coffee with them and have them and go to coffee with them and have them and go to coffee with them and have conversations with them and and try to conversations with them and and try to conversations with them and and try to relationally connect with them if I'm relationally connect with them if I'm relationally connect with them if I'm someone who wants to do that then I someone who wants to do that then I someone who wants to do that then I would look around and kind of see who is would look around and kind of see who is would look around and kind of see who is their spirit board connection because their spirit board connection because their spirit board connection because they're people that God has put in my they're people that God has put in my they're people that God has put in my life that I feel a responsibility do to life that I feel a responsibility do to life that I feel a responsibility do to reach out to them you know I think you reach out to them you know I think you reach out to them you know I think you got to take steps you just got to get got to take steps you just got to get got to take steps you just got to get out of the boat and take steps and and out of the boat and take steps and and out of the boat and take steps and and and know that the that the risk of and know that the that the risk of and know that the that the risk of isolation is greater than the risk of isolation is greater than the risk of isolation is greater than the risk of putting yourself out there and so I just putting yourself out there and so I just putting yourself out there and so I just think that's key and that's so important think that's key and that's so important think that's key and that's so important today we try to do that with church today we try to do that with church today we try to do that with church planners we always match them up with a planners we always match them up with a planners we always match them up with a coach or match them up with some other coach or match them up with some other coach or match them up with some other guys that are planting so that there's a guys that are planting so that there's a guys that are planting so that there's a similarity of experience and they're hey similarity of experience and they're hey similarity of experience and they're hey we're in this thing together and so it's we're in this thing together and so it's we're in this thing together and so it's just huge and important and I've seen just huge and important and I've seen just huge and important and I've seen the pain of it in my own life when I the pain of it in my own life when I the pain of it in my own life when I isolated and the consequences of that isolated and the consequences of that isolated and the consequences of that and I've watched that with with buddies and I've watched that with with buddies and I've watched that with with buddies and it's it's better to not surf alone

and it's it's better to not surf alone and it's it's better to not surf alone surfing a pack find a squad nice now surfing a pack find a squad nice now surfing a pack find a squad nice now what is it what is that kind of healthy what is it what is that kind of healthy what is it what is that kind of healthy rhythm for you look like these days rhythm for you look like these days rhythm for you look like these days obviously a part of this is is getting obviously a part of this is is getting obviously a part of this is is getting your life pattern kind of into into a your life pattern kind of into into a your life pattern kind of into into a you know healthy Risen rhythm for your you know healthy Risen rhythm for your you know healthy Risen rhythm for your yourself what do you what would you what yourself what do you what would you what yourself what do you what would you what does that look like in your life and does that look like in your life and does that look like in your life and what do you suggest for other pastors or what do you suggest for other pastors or what do you suggest for other pastors or leaders well I've learned a lot and I've leaders well I've learned a lot and I've leaders well I've learned a lot and I've learned a lot from my passion area Chris learned a lot from my passion area Chris learned a lot from my passion area Chris Hodges he's very healthy and and and Hodges he's very healthy and and and Hodges he's very healthy and and and with a growing church like it is and with a growing church like it is and with a growing church like it is and demands that he has on and watching demands that he has on and watching demands that he has on and watching what's happening around here I was not what's happening around here I was not what's happening around here I was not good at it for a long time to be honest good at it for a long time to be honest good at it for a long time to be honest with you I just was I just ran hard and with you I just was I just ran hard and with you I just was I just ran hard and never said no and probably was a little never said no and probably was a little never said no and probably was a little unhealthy on approval addiction and just unhealthy on approval addiction and just unhealthy on approval addiction and just yes to everything I don't think it was yes to everything I don't think it was yes to everything I don't think it was out of being wicked I think it was I was out of being wicked I think it was I was out of being wicked I think it was I was consumed with helping the poor and consumed with helping the poor and consumed with helping the poor and making a difference in people's lives making a difference in people's lives making a difference in people's lives and it was that old school kind of youth and it was that old school kind of youth and it was that old school kind of youth pastor died for the cause I was dying pastor died for the cause I was dying pastor died for the cause I was dying for the cause all right and and and so for the cause all right and and and so for the cause all right and and and so was my I love everybody around me so was my I love everybody around me so was my I love everybody around me so here's what I do now I don't let here's what I do now I don't let here's what I do now I don't let technology rule my life there's a time technology rule my life there's a time technology rule my life there's a time that I put the phone down and there's a that I put the phone down and there's a that I put the phone down and there's a time too time too time too to not let your because we're the first to not let your because we're the first to not let your because we're the first generation that has a whole world in one generation that has a whole world in one generation that has a whole world in one device in that stuff I sleep you know device in that stuff I sleep you know device in that stuff I sleep you know there were times that I had horrible there were times that I had horrible there were times that I had horrible sleep patterns and I didn't sleep and I sleep patterns and I didn't sleep and I sleep patterns and I didn't sleep and I stayed up way too late I didn't get stayed up way too late I didn't get stayed up way too late I didn't get enough rest when you don't sleep well enough rest when you don't sleep well enough rest when you don't sleep well you don't have good thoughts matter of you don't have good thoughts matter of you don't have good thoughts matter of fact if you're sleep deprived you can fact if you're sleep deprived you can fact if you're sleep deprived you can have irrational thoughts about people

have irrational thoughts about people have irrational thoughts about people and things that you're doing and you're and things that you're doing and you're and things that you're doing and you're even yourself you know the other thing even yourself you know the other thing even yourself you know the other thing that I do is I have honest conversations that I do is I have honest conversations that I do is I have honest conversations now more than ever very transparent now more than ever very transparent now more than ever very transparent conversations I think I have ranked conversations I think I have ranked conversations I think I have ranked things differently in my life of what is things differently in my life of what is things differently in my life of what is true success as it relates to my wife true success as it relates to my wife true success as it relates to my wife and my children and deep friendships and my children and deep friendships and my children and deep friendships being able to sit on the back porch and being able to sit on the back porch and being able to sit on the back porch and drink a cup of hot tea drink a cup of hot tea drink a cup of hot tea being able to read learn how to do being able to read learn how to do being able to read learn how to do nothing for the sake of just rest and so nothing for the sake of just rest and so nothing for the sake of just rest and so I think I've learned how to rest I've I think I've learned how to rest I've I think I've learned how to rest I've learned how to chill I don't overreact learned how to chill I don't overreact learned how to chill I don't overreact like I used to I lived very overreacting like I used to I lived very overreacting like I used to I lived very overreacting for a lot of years and and I see a lot for a lot of years and and I see a lot for a lot of years and and I see a lot of guys doing that today they overreact of guys doing that today they overreact of guys doing that today they overreact a lot and they're not there's just not a a lot and they're not there's just not a a lot and they're not there's just not a settlement a peace at the end of the day settlement a peace at the end of the day settlement a peace at the end of the day we have to believe in the sovereignty of we have to believe in the sovereignty of we have to believe in the sovereignty of God know that God is sovereign and you God know that God is sovereign and you God know that God is sovereign and you know we got to have healthy rhythms and know we got to have healthy rhythms and know we got to have healthy rhythms and I have a couple guys in my life now to I have a couple guys in my life now to I have a couple guys in my life now to help me with that right so I have with help me with that right so I have with help me with that right so I have with my calendar is my calendar can get crazy my calendar is my calendar can get crazy my calendar is my calendar can get crazy and then I kill all my margin I have no and then I kill all my margin I have no and then I kill all my margin I have no margin so you know the engine never margin so you know the engine never margin so you know the engine never rests and it's hard to work on a hot rests and it's hard to work on a hot rests and it's hard to work on a hot engine and sometimes the engine has to engine and sometimes the engine has to engine and sometimes the engine has to cool and I never let my engine cool then cool and I never let my engine cool then cool and I never let my engine cool then I have a couple kind of coach counselors I have a couple kind of coach counselors I have a couple kind of coach counselors that I speak to about once a month and that I speak to about once a month and that I speak to about once a month and we ask questions about my rhythm that's we ask questions about my rhythm that's we ask questions about my rhythm that's very good I you know there's a lot very good I you know there's a lot very good I you know there's a lot packed in there I hope if you're packed in there I hope if you're packed in there I hope if you're listening and I know there's a lot of listening and I know there's a lot of listening and I know there's a lot of church leaders that find themselves church leaders that find themselves church leaders that find themselves tired today a friend of mine talks about

tired today a friend of mine talks about tired today a friend of mine talks about being dangerously tired and just being dangerously tired and just being dangerously tired and just actually unplugging and saying I've got actually unplugging and saying I've got actually unplugging and saying I've got to slow down you know that it's at the to slow down you know that it's at the to slow down you know that it's at the end of the day it's the Lord's Church end of the day it's the Lord's Church end of the day it's the Lord's Church it's not my church and it's not my church and it's not my church and you know it and it will go on even if we you know it and it will go on even if we you know it and it will go on even if we turn off the phone and go to sleep you turn off the phone and go to sleep you turn off the phone and go to sleep you know for sure now what would you say you know for sure now what would you say you know for sure now what would you say you know maybe there's a church leader today know maybe there's a church leader today know maybe there's a church leader today that senses hey I think things are a bit that senses hey I think things are a bit that senses hey I think things are a bit out of balance but I'm not sure what out of balance but I'm not sure what out of balance but I'm not sure what first steps to take to kind of get life first steps to take to kind of get life first steps to take to kind of get life back in balance you know what would you back in balance you know what would you back in balance you know what would you say you know what would be some of those say you know what would be some of those say you know what would be some of those first steps they could take well you got first steps they could take well you got first steps they could take well you got to kind of do an inventory you know to kind of do an inventory you know to kind of do an inventory you know how's my soul how's my spirit how's my how's my soul how's my spirit how's my how's my soul how's my spirit how's my relationships ask your wife lean into relationships ask your wife lean into relationships ask your wife lean into your children maybe there's somebody in your children maybe there's somebody in your children maybe there's somebody in your life that you have that your life that you have that your life that you have that relationship with look at your calendar relationship with look at your calendar relationship with look at your calendar do you have margins are you are you do you have margins are you are you do you have margins are you are you honoring the Sabbath do you actually honoring the Sabbath do you actually honoring the Sabbath do you actually have a time where you do nothing you have a time where you do nothing you have a time where you do nothing you know so a true honest appraisal not that know so a true honest appraisal not that know so a true honest appraisal not that kind of fake appraisal where you really kind of fake appraisal where you really kind of fake appraisal where you really look and say you know what I've not had look and say you know what I've not had look and say you know what I've not had a day off a day off a day off I have not prayed or studied for Jesus I have not prayed or studied for Jesus I have not prayed or studied for Jesus sake in a month sake in a month sake in a month everything I touch it's about everything I touch it's about everything I touch it's about presentation and I know that there was a presentation and I know that there was a presentation and I know that there was a time in my life where I realized that time in my life where I realized that time in my life where I realized that all of my prayer and all of my prep was all of my prayer and all of my prep was all of my prayer and all of my prep was for presentation safe right and if all for presentation safe right and if all for presentation safe right and if all of your prayer and all of your your prep of your prayer and all of your your prep of your prayer and all of your your prep and your spirit and soul is for and your spirit and soul is for and your spirit and soul is for presentations sake then you're going to presentations sake then you're going to presentations sake then you're going to end up with a vast deficit in your soul

end up with a vast deficit in your soul end up with a vast deficit in your soul and so there are days that now you know and so there are days that now you know and so there are days that now you know do you ever spend some time in worship do you ever spend some time in worship do you ever spend some time in worship do you ever spend some time in do you ever spend some time in do you ever spend some time in meditation not for leading mm-hmm just meditation not for leading mm-hmm just meditation not for leading mm-hmm just for loving God that's a good place to for loving God that's a good place to for loving God that's a good place to start I'm Tony at the end of the day I start I'm Tony at the end of the day I start I'm Tony at the end of the day I think one of the things that I've think one of the things that I've think one of the things that I've learned at Highlands that I think have learned at Highlands that I think have learned at Highlands that I think have helped me become more healthy is just helped me become more healthy is just helped me become more healthy is just old-fashioned prayer and just do I have old-fashioned prayer and just do I have old-fashioned prayer and just do I have time to spend with God if I don't I am time to spend with God if I don't I am time to spend with God if I don't I am headed for a train wreck mmm very true headed for a train wreck mmm very true headed for a train wreck mmm very true you know just changing gears a little you know just changing gears a little you know just changing gears a little bit you've really been a leader in you bit you've really been a leader in you bit you've really been a leader in you know combining both service and know combining both service and know combining both service and evangelism together to see you know I evangelism together to see you know I evangelism together to see you know I think there was a false dichotomy for think there was a false dichotomy for think there was a false dichotomy for too many years between you know kind of too many years between you know kind of too many years between you know kind of the proclamation and the demonstration the proclamation and the demonstration the proclamation and the demonstration of the gospel and I think you've really of the gospel and I think you've really of the gospel and I think you've really been a leader in in both thinking and been a leader in in both thinking and been a leader in in both thinking and kind of kind of kind of pushing churches to think that when I pushing churches to think that when I pushing churches to think that when I which I appreciate that I just thank you which I appreciate that I just thank you which I appreciate that I just thank you for that in all the ways that you've for that in all the ways that you've for that in all the ways that you've done that over the years you know what done that over the years you know what done that over the years you know what it's your kind of current thinking on it's your kind of current thinking on it's your kind of current thinking on how you know we should be serving our how you know we should be serving our how you know we should be serving our communities and really community communities and really community communities and really community transformation and what does that look transformation and what does that look transformation and what does that look like what do you you know what kind of like what do you you know what kind of like what do you you know what kind of wear you out with that these days well wear you out with that these days well wear you out with that these days well I'm still dedicated to it and that's one I'm still dedicated to it and that's one I'm still dedicated to it and that's one of my roles here at Highlands is I of my roles here at Highlands is I of my roles here at Highlands is I oversee all of our outreach and at all oversee all of our outreach and at all oversee all of our outreach and at all of our campuses local and then also of our campuses local and then also of our campuses local and then also national with rket and the thing we do national with rket and the thing we do national with rket and the thing we do called growth and then also with called growth and then also with called growth and then also with international so I love how you said international so I love how you said international so I love how you said Proclamation and demonstration you you Proclamation and demonstration you you Proclamation and demonstration you you nailed that when my man I want to feel nailed that when my man I want to feel nailed that when my man I want to feel that way crazy okay it's right yeah it's that way crazy okay it's right yeah it's that way crazy okay it's right yeah it's all my idea so girl go ahead please use

all my idea so girl go ahead please use all my idea so girl go ahead please use it yeah those are great bookends for the it yeah those are great bookends for the it yeah those are great bookends for the gospel and you know I I didn't start out gospel and you know I I didn't start out gospel and you know I I didn't start out okay we're gonna do this it was just okay we're gonna do this it was just okay we're gonna do this it was just because of where we were serving in because of where we were serving in because of where we were serving in Louisiana you know you just were dealing Louisiana you know you just were dealing Louisiana you know you just were dealing with a lot of people that were with a lot of people that were with a lot of people that were struggling and they were having hard struggling and they were having hard struggling and they were having hard times so we just realized that man we times so we just realized that man we times so we just realized that man we need to be the hands and feet of Jesus need to be the hands and feet of Jesus need to be the hands and feet of Jesus they're not gonna hear us unless they they're not gonna hear us unless they they're not gonna hear us unless they see us they're not gonna it's not gonna see us they're not gonna it's not gonna see us they're not gonna it's not gonna touch their heart if it's not touching touch their heart if it's not touching touch their heart if it's not touching their life and so we were kind of forced their life and so we were kind of forced their life and so we were kind of forced I think God put us at a spot where we I think God put us at a spot where we I think God put us at a spot where we had to merge the two there wasn't a had to merge the two there wasn't a had to merge the two there wasn't a choice and out of that I just really choice and out of that I just really choice and out of that I just really begin to see all throughout scripture begin to see all throughout scripture begin to see all throughout scripture that I just believed it was the way of that I just believed it was the way of that I just believed it was the way of Jesus just loving people being out the Jesus just loving people being out the Jesus just loving people being out the community he was there he was among them community he was there he was among them community he was there he was among them he was touching he was caring he was he was touching he was caring he was he was touching he was caring he was noticing and I think it begins with noticing and I think it begins with noticing and I think it begins with noticing that's a big important word noticing that's a big important word noticing that's a big important word that I believe if you're gonna impact a that I believe if you're gonna impact a that I believe if you're gonna impact a community if you're gonna see people community if you're gonna see people community if you're gonna see people come to Christ you got to notice what's come to Christ you got to notice what's come to Christ you got to notice what's happening around you you got to notice happening around you you got to notice happening around you you got to notice the pain you got to notice the cry you the pain you got to notice the cry you the pain you got to notice the cry you got to notice the tragedy and the got to notice the tragedy and the got to notice the tragedy and the heartbeat and in the heartache of what's heartbeat and in the heartache of what's heartbeat and in the heartache of what's going on around you in your community going on around you in your community going on around you in your community and I think there's a lot of ways to do and I think there's a lot of ways to do and I think there's a lot of ways to do that it's just keeping your head on swim that it's just keeping your head on swim that it's just keeping your head on swim but when you're out it's looking at your but when you're out it's looking at your but when you're out it's looking at your local newspaper or local local paper local newspaper or local local paper local newspaper or local local paper online it's just knowing what's going on online it's just knowing what's going on online it's just knowing what's going on who's taking their life what type of who's taking their life what type of who's taking their life what type of domestic violence is going on domestic violence is going on domestic violence is going on who's hungry what schools are failing who's hungry what schools are failing who's hungry what schools are failing what people are falling apart what type what people are falling apart what type what people are falling apart what type of addiction is going on and just Lord of addiction is going on and just Lord of addiction is going on and just Lord how can we be the hands and feet of how can we be the hands and feet of how can we be the hands and feet of Jesus and I don't think it costs a lot

Jesus and I don't think it costs a lot Jesus and I don't think it costs a lot of money nor does it take a lot of of money nor does it take a lot of of money nor does it take a lot of people I think one person can make a people I think one person can make a people I think one person can make a difference difference difference and I've appreciate that is there and I've appreciate that is there and I've appreciate that is there anything else you want to share before anything else you want to share before anything else you want to share before we kind of pivot into the rest of the we kind of pivot into the rest of the we kind of pivot into the rest of the episode no I just appreciate this I episode no I just appreciate this I episode no I just appreciate this I always love being able to communicate always love being able to communicate always love being able to communicate and I love the title the uncie Maneri and I love the title the uncie Maneri and I love the title the uncie Maneri I'm with the Bible school and the other I'm with the Bible school and the other I'm with the Bible school and the other day I was I just got asked to serve on a day I was I just got asked to serve on a day I was I just got asked to serve on a college board like to be a trustee so college board like to be a trustee so college board like to be a trustee so you send in your resume and they do all you send in your resume and they do all you send in your resume and they do all this stuff with it and I was looking at this stuff with it and I was looking at this stuff with it and I was looking at my associates degree in the youth my associates degree in the youth my associates degree in the youth ministry and adolescent counseling like ministry and adolescent counseling like ministry and adolescent counseling like wow that one's gonna carry a lot of wow that one's gonna carry a lot of wow that one's gonna carry a lot of weight or not dr. Dino Rizzo weight or not dr. Dino Rizzo weight or not dr. Dino Rizzo you know what coming in that's amazing you know what coming in that's amazing you know what coming in that's amazing that's great so anyway it was kind of that's great so anyway it was kind of that's great so anyway it was kind of fun and so I think these are this fun and so I think these are this fun and so I think these are this resourcing yourself is the difference to resourcing yourself is the difference to resourcing yourself is the difference to me from leadership you got a resource me from leadership you got a resource me from leadership you got a resource yourself you gotta learn learn learn yourself you gotta learn learn learn yourself you gotta learn learn learn learn learn this is the uncie Maneri learn learn this is the uncie Maneri learn learn this is the uncie Maneri podcast stuff you wish they taught in podcast stuff you wish they taught in podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary well we're gonna jump into the seminary well we're gonna jump into the seminary well we're gonna jump into the lightning round that part of the episode lightning round that part of the episode lightning round that part of the episode where we ask similar questions of where we ask similar questions of where we ask similar questions of everybody that's on the episode today everybody that's on the episode today everybody that's on the episode today it's our honor to have Dino Rizzo from it's our honor to have Dino Rizzo from it's our honor to have Dino Rizzo from arc and from church to the highlands arc and from church to the highlands arc and from church to the highlands with us it's been just a great with us it's been just a great with us it's been just a great conversation so far conversation so far conversation so far what's an online resource you're using what's an online resource you're using what's an online resource you're using Dino that's helping you in your ministry Dino that's helping you in your ministry Dino that's helping you in your ministry you know I've just learned how to kind you know I've just learned how to kind you know I've just learned how to kind of work on a computer the last couple of work on a computer the last couple of work on a computer the last couple years so this I'm liking it I'm like a years so this I'm liking it I'm like a years so this I'm liking it I'm like a kid in a candy store so I know we used kid in a candy store so I know we used kid in a candy store so I know we used within Ark our team we use that that within Ark our team we use that that within Ark our team we use that that platform or app slack yeah this has been platform or app slack yeah this has been platform or app slack yeah this has been huge for us in in group communication we

huge for us in in group communication we huge for us in in group communication we tried different things and we had some tried different things and we had some tried different things and we had some errors with it and some fails with it so errors with it and some fails with it so errors with it and some fails with it so we use that for our staff and Ark so we we use that for our staff and Ark so we we use that for our staff and Ark so we have about 20 people on staff at Arthur have about 20 people on staff at Arthur have about 20 people on staff at Arthur here in Birmingham then we have a lead here in Birmingham then we have a lead here in Birmingham then we have a lead team of pastors of about 17 pastors who team of pastors of about 17 pastors who team of pastors of about 17 pastors who are our lead team at Ark and then in are our lead team at Ark and then in are our lead team at Ark and then in that there's an executive level guys the that there's an executive level guys the that there's an executive level guys the founders so what helps us is to be able founders so what helps us is to be able founders so what helps us is to be able to communicate at those different levels to communicate at those different levels to communicate at those different levels through one app so that's kind of one through one app so that's kind of one through one app so that's kind of one that I've learned and we're using it that I've learned and we're using it that I've learned and we're using it yeah fantastic slacks a great resource a yeah fantastic slacks a great resource a yeah fantastic slacks a great resource a lot of churches that I know that use it lot of churches that I know that use it lot of churches that I know that use it have talked about cutting their email in have talked about cutting their email in have talked about cutting their email in half because they're using slack so yeah half because they're using slack so yeah half because they're using slack so yeah it's a great tool for sure what's a book it's a great tool for sure what's a book it's a great tool for sure what's a book you've read in the last I don't know six you've read in the last I don't know six you've read in the last I don't know six months to a year that's shaping your months to a year that's shaping your months to a year that's shaping your thinking or ministry you know I've been thinking or ministry you know I've been thinking or ministry you know I've been reading a lot of Patrick Lencioni I just reading a lot of Patrick Lencioni I just reading a lot of Patrick Lencioni I just love him because I think he asked great love him because I think he asked great love him because I think he asked great questions and questions and questions and and those are things that I need for and those are things that I need for and those are things that I need for myself is I need someone to ask me a myself is I need someone to ask me a myself is I need someone to ask me a great question and and I think he poses great question and and I think he poses great question and and I think he poses those in all of his books and so that's those in all of his books and so that's those in all of his books and so that's what I've been reading the last year what I've been reading the last year what I've been reading the last year year and a half there's a there's year and a half there's a there's year and a half there's a there's there's two books that I read constantly there's two books that I read constantly there's two books that I read constantly one of them you hardly can find it's one of them you hardly can find it's one of them you hardly can find it's called high adventure in Tibet by Victor called high adventure in Tibet by Victor called high adventure in Tibet by Victor Plummer which was a missionary to Tibet Plummer which was a missionary to Tibet Plummer which was a missionary to Tibet a long long time ago and he he went to a long long time ago and he he went to a long long time ago and he he went to Tibet for 16 years before he baptized Tibet for 16 years before he baptized Tibet for 16 years before he baptized one person and I'm like man that's one person and I'm like man that's one person and I'm like man that's perseverance and the other one is called perseverance and the other one is called perseverance and the other one is called into the heart of the world by mother into the heart of the world by mother into the heart of the world by mother Teresa which is a novel on compassion Teresa which is a novel on compassion Teresa which is a novel on compassion and understanding how to reach the poor and understanding how to reach the poor and understanding how to reach the poor so those are two other books that I keep

so those are two other books that I keep so those are two other books that I keep in my briefcase too just refresh me in my briefcase too just refresh me in my briefcase too just refresh me constantly with I think the heart of constantly with I think the heart of constantly with I think the heart of Christ cool what's another ministry that Christ cool what's another ministry that Christ cool what's another ministry that you're looking to that's inspiring you you're looking to that's inspiring you you're looking to that's inspiring you these days you know yesterday I sat down these days you know yesterday I sat down these days you know yesterday I sat down with some guys from Gateway and it's with some guys from Gateway and it's with some guys from Gateway and it's just fantastic Bobbie Bogart Mike just fantastic Bobbie Bogart Mike just fantastic Bobbie Bogart Mike Rosario this guy's are so smart at Rosario this guy's are so smart at Rosario this guy's are so smart at Gateway you know and just the right Gateway you know and just the right Gateway you know and just the right heart pastor Robert is just a legend and heart pastor Robert is just a legend and heart pastor Robert is just a legend and then you know you're always looking at then you know you're always looking at then you know you're always looking at Hillsong and they have such a voice for Hillsong and they have such a voice for Hillsong and they have such a voice for the next generation and really our the next generation and really our the next generation and really our generation I love Pastor Brian I think generation I love Pastor Brian I think generation I love Pastor Brian I think he's a great leader I love watching he's a great leader I love watching he's a great leader I love watching verdict I enjoy listening to him preach verdict I enjoy listening to him preach verdict I enjoy listening to him preach and I'll tell you what probably Allison and I'll tell you what probably Allison and I'll tell you what probably Allison the TD jakes preach still every other the TD jakes preach still every other the TD jakes preach still every other week now Kay nobody preach like TD don't week now Kay nobody preach like TD don't week now Kay nobody preach like TD don't try that don't roll up in that pulpit try that don't roll up in that pulpit try that don't roll up in that pulpit try the new CD Jackson I'm gonna tell try the new CD Jackson I'm gonna tell try the new CD Jackson I'm gonna tell you what keep the way he thinks is I you what keep the way he thinks is I you what keep the way he thinks is I don't know anybody who thinks like he don't know anybody who thinks like he don't know anybody who thinks like he thinks but he reads the Bible so he thinks but he reads the Bible so he thinks but he reads the Bible so he makes me think better thoughts so that's makes me think better thoughts so that's makes me think better thoughts so that's that someone I looked at very cool if that someone I looked at very cool if that someone I looked at very cool if you get 15 minutes with any leader alive you get 15 minutes with any leader alive you get 15 minutes with any leader alive who would that be and why who would that be and why who would that be and why oh goodness I struggle with this oh goodness I struggle with this oh goodness I struggle with this question I think there's probably two question I think there's probably two question I think there's probably two date would be Joyce Meyer date would be Joyce Meyer date would be Joyce Meyer I love Joyce Meyer I think she's built a I love Joyce Meyer I think she's built a I love Joyce Meyer I think she's built a great ministry she has compassion on great ministry she has compassion on great ministry she has compassion on people she's a great teacher of the word people she's a great teacher of the word people she's a great teacher of the word she's that she's a good mama to a lot of she's that she's a good mama to a lot of she's that she's a good mama to a lot of churches she's done a lot for the churches she's done a lot for the churches she's done a lot for the kingdom we would not have made it and I kingdom we would not have made it and I kingdom we would not have made it and I think this is so important to say we think this is so important to say we think this is so important to say we would have never made it at Healing would have never made it at Healing would have never made it at Healing Place Church during Katrina Place Church during Katrina Place Church during Katrina if it if it if it was it for Joyce and Dave Meyer and her

was it for Joyce and Dave Meyer and her was it for Joyce and Dave Meyer and her son Dave and Danny they they reached out son Dave and Danny they they reached out son Dave and Danny they they reached out to us they gave millions of dollars to to us they gave millions of dollars to to us they gave millions of dollars to the people of Louisiana and she's just the people of Louisiana and she's just the people of Louisiana and she's just one of the most generous people I've one of the most generous people I've one of the most generous people I've ever met in my life and she's a great ever met in my life and she's a great ever met in my life and she's a great leader you know what else I love about leader you know what else I love about leader you know what else I love about it it it she teaches everyday stuff she helps me she teaches everyday stuff she helps me she teaches everyday stuff she helps me have practices I'd probably like to have practices I'd probably like to have practices I'd probably like to spend 15 minutes we're back yeah very spend 15 minutes we're back yeah very spend 15 minutes we're back yeah very cool well that's great I appreciate be cool well that's great I appreciate be cool well that's great I appreciate be on the show today I know you're on the show today I know you're on the show today I know you're obviously incredibly busy so I obviously incredibly busy so I obviously incredibly busy so I appreciate you giving us your time and appreciate you giving us your time and appreciate you giving us your time and you know there's a lot going on with art you know there's a lot going on with art you know there's a lot going on with art but when you just want to kick back have but when you just want to kick back have but when you just want to kick back have fun kind of relax a little bit what do fun kind of relax a little bit what do fun kind of relax a little bit what do you do for fun oh man I'm gonna hang you do for fun oh man I'm gonna hang you do for fun oh man I'm gonna hang with my wife we're gonna drink hot tea with my wife we're gonna drink hot tea with my wife we're gonna drink hot tea we're gonna laugh we may shock we may we're gonna laugh we may shock we may we're gonna laugh we may shock we may take a walk nice and we're gonna tell take a walk nice and we're gonna tell take a walk nice and we're gonna tell stories about youths ministry when we stories about youths ministry when we stories about youths ministry when we were broke and buying French fries we're were broke and buying French fries we're were broke and buying French fries we're gonna we're gonna laugh about our gonna we're gonna laugh about our gonna we're gonna laugh about our decorations our air style the clothes we decorations our air style the clothes we decorations our air style the clothes we wore so that's what I enjoy and then I'm wore so that's what I enjoy and then I'm wore so that's what I enjoy and then I'm you know of course love hanging out with you know of course love hanging out with you know of course love hanging out with my kids my daughter graduates tomorrow my kids my daughter graduates tomorrow my kids my daughter graduates tomorrow from LSU and then my son is at school in from LSU and then my son is at school in from LSU and then my son is at school in Florida my daughter's a freshman that's Florida my daughter's a freshman that's Florida my daughter's a freshman that's my call Dylan Isabella and then I love a my call Dylan Isabella and then I love a my call Dylan Isabella and then I love a few friends I got few friends I got few friends I got good old Cajun Louisiana mafia friends good old Cajun Louisiana mafia friends good old Cajun Louisiana mafia friends and we get together we laugh and we just and we get together we laugh and we just and we get together we laugh and we just enjoy that God has been merciful to us enjoy that God has been merciful to us enjoy that God has been merciful to us well do you know I really appreciate me well do you know I really appreciate me well do you know I really appreciate me on the show today if people want to get on the show today if people want to get on the show today if people want to get in touch with you or with our account in touch with you or with our account in touch with you or with our account what's the best way to do that well yeah what's the best way to do that well yeah what's the best way to do that well yeah I mean Ark is always easy and you know I mean Ark is always easy and you know I mean Ark is always easy and you know um Dino at our churches comm so that's um Dino at our churches comm so that's um Dino at our churches comm so that's my email address if anybody needs to get my email address if anybody needs to get my email address if anybody needs to get ahold of us you know you look at the art

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