Josh Canizaro Takes Us Inside Church Planting in New Orleans

I've been directly involved in the I've been directly involved in the launch of over a dozen multi-site launch of over a dozen multi-site launch of over a dozen multi-site campuses through the churches I've led campuses through the churches I've led campuses through the churches I've led and half of them have been in movie and half of them have been in movie and half of them have been in movie theatres I'm convinced that every church theatres I'm convinced that every church theatres I'm convinced that every church leader should consider using a theater leader should consider using a theater leader should consider using a theater for your next campus or church plant for your next campus or church plant for your next campus or church plant they're flexible culturally relevant they're flexible culturally relevant they're flexible culturally relevant locations typically in the center of the locations typically in the center of the locations typically in the center of the community that 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forward to this conversation for a while with Josh Kenneth arrow from one a while with Josh Kenneth arrow from one a while with Josh Kenneth arrow from one Hope Church in New Orleans Josh was Hope Church in New Orleans Josh was Hope Church in New Orleans Josh was originally joined the team at church of originally joined the team at church of originally joined the team at church of the Highlands and was on their team for the Highlands and was on their team for the Highlands and was on their team for a while we talk we've had a few folks a while we talk we've had a few folks a while we talk we've had a few folks from churchill highlands on in the past from churchill highlands on in the past from churchill highlands on in the past but then just planted this church about but then just planted this church about but then just planted this church about two years ago if I'm if I'm correct yeah two years ago if I'm if I'm correct yeah two years ago if I'm if I'm correct yeah 2014 so Josh 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2014 so Josh welcome to the show why 2014 so Josh welcome to the show why don't you tell us a little bit about one don't you tell us a little bit about one don't you tell us a little bit about one hope and why are you why on earth are hope and why are you why on earth are hope and why are you why on earth are you planting in a place like New Orleans you planting in a place like New Orleans you planting in a place like New Orleans well rich thanks for inviting me to the well rich thanks for inviting me to the well rich thanks for inviting me to the to the unsent podcast I'm pretty excited to the unsent podcast I'm pretty excited to the unsent podcast I'm pretty excited to be with you you know something to be with you you know something to be with you you know something started very early age for me I passed started very early age for me I passed started very early age for me I passed her son so I grew up in and around her son so I grew up in and around her son so I grew up in and around ministry and that didn't really draw me ministry and that didn't really draw me ministry and that didn't really draw me tube industry as a way of life they kind tube industry as a way of life they kind tube industry as a way of life they kind of led me away from it in my teenage of led me away from it in my teenage of led me away from it in my teenage years but I tell you like Mike many of years but I tell you like Mike many of years but I tell you like Mike many of us you have an experience with God and us you have an experience with God and us you have an experience with God and you fall in love with him and in the you fall in love with him and in the you fall in love with him and in the process of that relationship you realize process of that relationship you realize process of that relationship you realize that you have to actually you're going that you have to actually you're going that you have to actually you're going to follow the calling that he's placed to follow the calling that he's placed to follow the calling that he's placed in your life and that started for me in your life and that started for me in your life and that started for me very young age started very young age started very young age started in ministry about 20 when I started in ministry about 20 when I started in ministry about 20 when I started youth ministry actually working with my youth ministry actually working with my youth ministry actually working with my dad a bit and and that was right outside dad a bit and and that was right outside dad a bit and and that was right outside of New Orleans so I'm kind of born and of New Orleans so I'm kind of born and of New Orleans so I'm kind of born and raised right here in this city it was raised right here in this city it was raised right here in this city it was all the craziness that happens here all the craziness that happens here all the craziness that happens here throughout the year and like you throughout the year and like you throughout the year and like you mentioned earlier I had a great mentioned earlier I had a great mentioned earlier I had a great opportunity after about six or seven opportunity after about six or seven opportunity after about six or seven years into ministry to partner with years into ministry to partner with years into ministry to partner with Pastor Chris Hodges in Birmingham Pastor Chris Hodges in Birmingham Pastor Chris Hodges in Birmingham Alabama with Church of the Highland does Alabama with Church of the Highland does Alabama with Church of the Highland does back in 2004 spent 10 years with them back in 2004 spent 10 years with them back in 2004 spent 10 years with them and just an amazing ride from from a and just an amazing ride from from a and just an amazing ride from from a start-up church in a high school in start-up church in a high school in start-up church in a high school in Birmingham to just a tremendous ministry Birmingham to just a tremendous ministry Birmingham to just a tremendous ministry in the state of Alabama and I don't know in the state of Alabama and I don't know in the state of Alabama and I don't know what happened I'm 10 years in I was what happened I'm 10 years in I was what happened I'm 10 years in I was happy loving life had two beautiful happy loving life had two beautiful happy loving life had two beautiful children Birmingham and then you know children Birmingham and then you know children Birmingham and then you know there's that still small voice of God there's that still small voice of God there's that still small voice of God again saying not only do you have to again saying not only do you have to again saying not only do you have to follow the calling of God in ministry follow the calling of God in ministry follow the calling of God in ministry but you got to do it where I've called

but you got to do it where I've called but you got to do it where I've called you to do it and I started just this you to do it and I started just this you to do it and I started just this passion ignited again for your world passion ignited again for your world passion ignited again for your world just didn't to go somewhere and to bring just didn't to go somewhere and to bring just didn't to go somewhere and to bring what was happening in Birmingham what was happening in Birmingham what was happening in Birmingham actually bring that to a city that I actually bring that to a city that I actually bring that to a city that I didn't really see it happening the same didn't really see it happening the same didn't really see it happening the same way there were some good churches here way there were some good churches here way there were some good churches here doing some good things now most of them doing some good things now most of them doing some good things now most of them are actually in the suburbs or they're are actually in the suburbs or they're are actually in the suburbs or they're not really in the city of New Orleans not really in the city of New Orleans not really in the city of New Orleans and I just don't have this passion and and I just don't have this passion and and I just don't have this passion and like many of us our wives but no ahead like many of us our wives but no ahead like many of us our wives but no ahead of us I know we're going i was like no of us I know we're going i was like no of us I know we're going i was like no like we were like we were in the Bible like we were like we were in the Bible like we were like we were in the Bible Belt it was a good life in Birmingham Belt it was a good life in Birmingham Belt it was a good life in Birmingham but coming home was a good thing in so but coming home was a good thing in so but coming home was a good thing in so 2014 we moved back to New Orleans and 2014 we moved back to New Orleans and 2014 we moved back to New Orleans and started laying the groundwork for about started laying the groundwork for about started laying the groundwork for about six months launched the church that six months launched the church that six months launched the church that fallen so we're a little over two years fallen so we're a little over two years fallen so we're a little over two years into one hope church and manage it's into one hope church and manage it's into one hope church and manage it's been a miracle ride already in das do been a miracle ride already in das do been a miracle ride already in das do some great things we recently just added some great things we recently just added some great things we recently just added a third service and amusing to take care a third service and amusing to take care a third service and amusing to take care of people and in a city where some of people and in a city where some of people and in a city where some people would say hey you know is God people would say hey you know is God people would say hey you know is God gonna is God going to do something there gonna is God going to do something there gonna is God going to do something there or can God knew something I hear so many or can God knew something I hear so many or can God knew something I hear so many people say well that's hard ground or people say well that's hard ground or people say well that's hard ground or you know or is it going to work there you know or is it going to work there you know or is it going to work there and I really feel like we're privileged and I really feel like we're privileged and I really feel like we're privileged to be a part of something special I to be a part of something special I to be a part of something special I actually had a buddy of mine when I was actually had a buddy of mine when I was actually had a buddy of mine when I was telling him we're going to plant in the telling him we're going to plant in the telling him we're going to plant in the world and say man why would you why world and say man why would you why world and say man why would you why would you want would you want would you want plant in Nineveh yeah I think I read plant in Nineveh yeah I think I read plant in Nineveh yeah I think I read that story are you insulting yeah yeah

that story are you insulting yeah yeah that story are you insulting yeah yeah exactly buddy have you read the end of exactly buddy have you read the end of exactly buddy have you read the end of the book I said hey man are you are you the book I said hey man are you are you the book I said hey man are you are you process eyeing a good thing or a process eyeing a good thing or a process eyeing a good thing or a negative thing and because they actually negative thing and because they actually negative thing and because they actually repented in the end you know it was and repented in the end you know it was and repented in the end you know it was and you know I joke with our team here to you know I joke with our team here to you know I joke with our team here to listen it's either Nineveh or the whale listen it's either Nineveh or the whale listen it's either Nineveh or the whale you know you either you're either going you know you either you're either going you know you either you're either going to go where God's called you to go or to go where God's called you to go or to go where God's called you to go or you're going to step outside of this you're going to step outside of this you're going to step outside of this plan and I believe there's a lot more plan and I believe there's a lot more plan and I believe there's a lot more challenge outside of this plan and so challenge outside of this plan and so challenge outside of this plan and so we're right in the middle of it and we're right in the middle of it and we're right in the middle of it and enrich it's been harder than I ever enrich it's been harder than I ever enrich it's been harder than I ever expected it would be but it's also been expected it would be but it's also been expected it would be but it's also been some of the most fulfilling days of my some of the most fulfilling days of my some of the most fulfilling days of my life why don't we check into that and life why don't we check into that and life why don't we check into that and they could pull that apart a little bit they could pull that apart a little bit they could pull that apart a little bit one of the things I love to do on the one of the things I love to do on the one of the things I love to do on the podcast it's a chalk talk with church podcast it's a chalk talk with church podcast it's a chalk talk with church leaders like yourself who in a lot of leaders like yourself who in a lot of leaders like yourself who in a lot of ways I think you're leading you know ways I think you're leading you know ways I think you're leading you know you're going to help us learn in the you're going to help us learn in the you're going to help us learn in the rest of the country what it means to rest of the country what it means to rest of the country what it means to reach out to unchurched folks because I reach out to unchurched folks because I reach out to unchurched folks because I would say that the texture of your would say that the texture of your would say that the texture of your average unchurched person in New Orleans average unchurched person in New Orleans average unchurched person in New Orleans as may be a little different than other as may be a little different than other as may be a little different than other parts of the country so yeah we kind of parts of the country so yeah we kind of parts of the country so yeah we kind of pull that apart a little bit what does pull that apart a little bit what does pull that apart a little bit what does it look like for you trying to reach out it look like for you trying to reach out it look like for you trying to reach out to unchurched people in New Orleans what to unchurched people in New Orleans what to unchurched people in New Orleans what are some of the things you've done that are some of the things you've done that are some of the things you've done that God's used over these last few years God's used over these last few years God's used over these last few years well couple of things we do some things well couple of things we do some things well couple of things we do some things actually in our Sunday environment which actually in our Sunday environment which actually in our Sunday environment which I'll touch on secondly I think they're I'll touch on secondly I think they're I'll touch on secondly I think they're they're important to actually design they're important to actually design they're important to actually design your sunday environment to be a place your sunday environment to be a place your sunday environment to be a place where unchurched people can actually where unchurched people can actually where unchurched people can actually understand what's happening for so many understand what's happening for so many understand what's happening for so many of us that you grew up around church or of us that you grew up around church or of us that you grew up around church or even attending what you saw growing up even attending what you saw growing up even attending what you saw growing up is kind of your normal you see things

is kind of your normal you see things is kind of your normal you see things that way and if you getting to have that that way and if you getting to have that that way and if you getting to have that well then you have no idea what normal well then you have no idea what normal well then you have no idea what normal is and you're just walking into is and you're just walking into is and you're just walking into something like men they're weird like something like men they're weird like something like men they're weird like yes this is awkward like what is what is yes this is awkward like what is what is yes this is awkward like what is what is worshiping so we've answered some of worshiping so we've answered some of worshiping so we've answered some of those questions on Sundays and I'll get those questions on Sundays and I'll get those questions on Sundays and I'll get to that a little bit more but I really to that a little bit more but I really to that a little bit more but I really would say the number one thing that would say the number one thing that would say the number one thing that we've done and that's open the door it's we've done and that's open the door it's we've done and that's open the door it's really just serving our community hmm really just serving our community hmm really just serving our community hmm before we even open the church before we before we even open the church before we before we even open the church before we had our first Sunday service I should had our first Sunday service I should had our first Sunday service I should say we actually pursued the community in say we actually pursued the community in say we actually pursued the community in a big way we a big way we a big way we food serving people and we did a very food serving people and we did a very food serving people and we did a very bold thing rich we decided that ten bold thing rich we decided that ten bold thing rich we decided that ten percent of everything we raised to percent of everything we raised to percent of everything we raised to launch the church before we actually launch the church before we actually launch the church before we actually have a service we were going to give have a service we were going to give have a service we were going to give away one to two needs in our community away one to two needs in our community away one to two needs in our community we were just going to we're going to we were just going to we're going to we were just going to we're going to take this big step of faith like hey we take this big step of faith like hey we take this big step of faith like hey we don't know if we're going to be here in don't know if we're going to be here in don't know if we're going to be here in six months but we're gonna we're going six months but we're gonna we're going six months but we're gonna we're going to invest to begin with and for us by to invest to begin with and for us by to invest to begin with and for us by the grace of God turned out to be a the grace of God turned out to be a the grace of God turned out to be a pretty large number well tens of pretty large number well tens of pretty large number well tens of thousands of dollars we found some other thousands of dollars we found some other thousands of dollars we found some other ministries that we could partner with ministries that we could partner with ministries that we could partner with but mostly we would do what we called but mostly we would do what we called but mostly we would do what we called serve Saturday's reserve Saturday's we serve Saturday's reserve Saturday's we serve Saturday's reserve Saturday's we heard this first first saturday of every heard this first first saturday of every heard this first first saturday of every month we would show up to a neighborhood month we would show up to a neighborhood month we would show up to a neighborhood close to where we were going to plant close to where we were going to plant close to where we were going to plant the church and we would just we would the church and we would just we would the church and we would just we would clean we would pick up trash we would we clean we would pick up trash we would we clean we would pick up trash we would we would straighten things we wouldn't would straighten things we wouldn't would straighten things we wouldn't knock any doors first we would serve her knock any doors first we would serve her knock any doors first we would serve her for two or three hours hmm and then we for two or three hours hmm and then we for two or three hours hmm and then we would come back around afterwards and would come back around afterwards and would come back around afterwards and when we would not go on door she'd be when we would not go on door she'd be when we would not go on door she'd be surprised how many doors open because

surprised how many doors open because surprised how many doors open because it's a hey we saw you doing this and the it's a hey we saw you doing this and the it's a hey we saw you doing this and the doors open we were able to introduce doors open we were able to introduce doors open we were able to introduce ourselves many of them came out with ourselves many of them came out with ourselves many of them came out with water came out with things because I saw water came out with things because I saw water came out with things because I saw that we were caring for them first and I that we were caring for them first and I that we were caring for them first and I think it's one of the things that's think it's one of the things that's think it's one of the things that's missing in the local church that's where missing in the local church that's where missing in the local church that's where we're kind of looking for people to do we're kind of looking for people to do we're kind of looking for people to do something for us or I to show up to a something for us or I to show up to a something for us or I to show up to a serve our thing and when you go the serve our thing and when you go the serve our thing and when you go the opposite direction people are willing to opposite direction people are willing to opposite direction people are willing to come and see if you're willing to love come and see if you're willing to love come and see if you're willing to love them first absolutely but let's uh pull them first absolutely but let's uh pull them first absolutely but let's uh pull that apart first of all I I'm helping a that apart first of all I I'm helping a that apart first of all I I'm helping a friend of mine who's and by helping it friend of mine who's and by helping it friend of mine who's and by helping it means I'm just providing some Rara means I'm just providing some Rara means I'm just providing some Rara cheerleading see a guy that's planning a cheerleading see a guy that's planning a cheerleading see a guy that's planning a church right now and I don't want to church right now and I don't want to church right now and I don't want to just skip over the fact that you gave just skip over the fact that you gave just skip over the fact that you gave ten percent of your launch fund a way ten percent of your launch fund a way ten percent of your launch fund a way that that's amazing like there I know that that's amazing like there I know that that's amazing like there I know when you're in that mode literally every when you're in that mode literally every when you're in that mode literally every dollar counts you know you're coming dollar counts you know you're coming dollar counts you know you're coming down to like you know you're amassing a down to like you know you're amassing a down to like you know you're amassing a pile of money and then you're going to pile of money and then you're going to pile of money and then you're going to spend every dollar up until the day you spend every dollar up until the day you spend every dollar up until the day you Lodge and that's incredible and I think Lodge and that's incredible and I think Lodge and that's incredible and I think that is seen by your community that's that is seen by your community that's that is seen by your community that's that's amazing now it went how did you that's amazing now it went how did you that's amazing now it went how did you pick when you kind of went into a pick when you kind of went into a pick when you kind of went into a neighborhood did you what went into that neighborhood did you what went into that neighborhood did you what went into that process when you kind of decided hey process when you kind of decided hey process when you kind of decided hey this is the neighborhood were going to this is the neighborhood were going to this is the neighborhood were going to go to and do these serve Saturday's go to and do these serve Saturday's go to and do these serve Saturday's weird elephant well the surf Saturdays weird elephant well the surf Saturdays weird elephant well the surf Saturdays for me really began to be what for me really began to be what for me really began to be what surrounded the area that got it open the surrounded the area that got it open the surrounded the area that got it open the door for us to be in I think sometimes door for us to be in I think sometimes door for us to be in I think sometimes when you're looking at going to a city when you're looking at going to a city when you're looking at going to a city we all have big vision so like I'm going we all have big vision so like I'm going we all have big vision so like I'm going to win this city and I always say you to win this city and I always say you to win this city and I always say you can't win the city if you don't actually can't win the city if you don't actually can't win the city if you don't actually win your neighborhood and so we I

win your neighborhood and so we I win your neighborhood and so we I stepped back a little bit and just said stepped back a little bit and just said stepped back a little bit and just said okay God's opened the door in this okay God's opened the door in this okay God's opened the door in this particular facility for us to to partner particular facility for us to to partner particular facility for us to to partner with we partner with an elementary with we partner with an elementary with we partner with an elementary school in the city of New Orleans and we school in the city of New Orleans and we school in the city of New Orleans and we pay rent to a local school that refunds pay rent to a local school that refunds pay rent to a local school that refunds their after-school programs and and so their after-school programs and and so their after-school programs and and so that was the that was the door for us in that was the that was the door for us in that was the that was the door for us in order to serve in the community and so I order to serve in the community and so I order to serve in the community and so I said you know we're going to start there said you know we're going to start there said you know we're going to start there that's going to be our epicenter and that's going to be our epicenter and that's going to be our epicenter and there they should see us more than there they should see us more than there they should see us more than anyone not just on Sundays they should anyone not just on Sundays they should anyone not just on Sundays they should see us making a difference in our see us making a difference in our see us making a difference in our neighborhood and I think that it'll neighborhood and I think that it'll neighborhood and I think that it'll cascade out from there that it'll build cascade out from there that it'll build cascade out from there that it'll build out and so right now we're kind of out and so right now we're kind of out and so right now we're kind of laying the groundwork from expanding laying the groundwork from expanding laying the groundwork from expanding from two or three neighborhoods just from two or three neighborhoods just from two or three neighborhoods just around where we are to 10 or 12 around where we are to 10 or 12 around where we are to 10 or 12 neighborhoods in the city and we're neighborhoods in the city and we're neighborhoods in the city and we're putting together a bit of what we're putting together a bit of what we're putting together a bit of what we're taking the small idea that's been taking the small idea that's been taking the small idea that's been working and broadening it so that we can working and broadening it so that we can working and broadening it so that we can kind of we can reach more people by kind of we can reach more people by kind of we can reach more people by hitting hitting more neighborhoods I hitting hitting more neighborhoods I hitting hitting more neighborhoods I think sometimes we complicate these think sometimes we complicate these think sometimes we complicate these things too much brittany all right if things too much brittany all right if things too much brittany all right if God puts you standing on a particular God puts you standing on a particular God puts you standing on a particular plot of land well there you go right plot of land well there you go right plot of land well there you go right start there that just I even have some start there that just I even have some start there that just I even have some church planters every once in a while church planters every once in a while church planters every once in a while he'll say hey I want to come to New he'll say hey I want to come to New he'll say hey I want to come to New Orleans I say man I love for you to come Orleans I say man I love for you to come Orleans I say man I love for you to come to New Orleans and they say well are you to New Orleans and they say well are you to New Orleans and they say well are you know is it okay to plant and not you know is it okay to plant and not you know is it okay to plant and not you know what near you don't say listen I know what near you don't say listen I know what near you don't say listen I want you to plant anywhere you want want you to plant anywhere you want want you to plant anywhere you want gives me two or three blocks so that our gives me two or three blocks so that our gives me two or three blocks so that our signs don't confuse people like we're signs don't confuse people like we're signs don't confuse people like we're about it and then I just need you to

about it and then I just need you to about it and then I just need you to know that I'm going to win my know that I'm going to win my know that I'm going to win my neighborhood mm-hmm I'm going to win and neighborhood mm-hmm I'm going to win and neighborhood mm-hmm I'm going to win and I think starting simply there is one of I think starting simply there is one of I think starting simply there is one of the wisest things you can do mm-hmm now the wisest things you can do mm-hmm now the wisest things you can do mm-hmm now how is I continue to kind of as you you how is I continue to kind of as you you how is I continue to kind of as you you know you you've you know looked into know you you've you know looked into know you you've you know looked into kind of serving your community through kind of serving your community through kind of serving your community through outreach events like this how is that outreach events like this how is that outreach events like this how is that continued now that you've long so is continued now that you've long so is continued now that you've long so is that you something you did you know I that you something you did you know I that you something you did you know I had a pre-launch activity or has that had a pre-launch activity or has that had a pre-launch activity or has that continued every single month continued every single month continued every single month first saturday of every month for over first saturday of every month for over first saturday of every month for over two years now we have been somewhere in two years now we have been somewhere in two years now we have been somewhere in the city showed up without you know we the city showed up without you know we the city showed up without you know we have our serve team shirts so we're all have our serve team shirts so we're all have our serve team shirts so we're all together and we have done it's not a together and we have done it's not a together and we have done it's not a one-time thing or a two-time thing it is one-time thing or a two-time thing it is one-time thing or a two-time thing it is the vision of our church we actually the vision of our church we actually the vision of our church we actually call our volunteer team we don't like call our volunteer team we don't like call our volunteer team we don't like the word volunteer so much we call it the word volunteer so much we call it the word volunteer so much we call it our serve team because what we will we our serve team because what we will we our serve team because what we will we saw and what we see example with Jesus saw and what we see example with Jesus saw and what we see example with Jesus is that he didn't stand at the top of is that he didn't stand at the top of is that he didn't stand at the top of the pile and say hey get get it right the pile and say hey get get it right the pile and say hey get get it right Jesus climb to the bottom of the pile Jesus climb to the bottom of the pile Jesus climb to the bottom of the pile humanity and he pushed us all up mmm and humanity and he pushed us all up mmm and humanity and he pushed us all up mmm and so I think he was willing so myself I'm so I think he was willing so myself I'm so I think he was willing so myself I'm the lead pastor I still show up to 22 the lead pastor I still show up to 22 the lead pastor I still show up to 22 plus years into this i'm still here on plus years into this i'm still here on plus years into this i'm still here on serve saturdays with a dirty shirt and serve saturdays with a dirty shirt and serve saturdays with a dirty shirt and an example in the way that i think jesus an example in the way that i think jesus an example in the way that i think jesus would and honestly i think it's probably would and honestly i think it's probably would and honestly i think it's probably still the most important thing still the most important thing still the most important thing especially in the first couple years ago especially in the first couple years ago especially in the first couple years ago church statistics tell us that in the church statistics tell us that in the church statistics tell us that in the first two years of a church plant your first two years of a church plant your first two years of a church plant your community is still learning that you're community is still learning that you're community is still learning that you're if you're even there they don't even

if you're even there they don't even if you're even there they don't even know it takes two years for them to know it takes two years for them to know it takes two years for them to really discover where you are it takes really discover where you are it takes really discover where you are it takes for four years for them to start for four years for them to start for four years for them to start trusting you so with that in mind I trusting you so with that in mind I trusting you so with that in mind I think we have to be as consistent and think we have to be as consistent and think we have to be as consistent and his faithful as we possibly can to the his faithful as we possibly can to the his faithful as we possibly can to the simple idea of serving right now what simple idea of serving right now what simple idea of serving right now what impact has it had on your site so I can impact has it had on your site so I can impact has it had on your site so I can see and understand the impact its had on see and understand the impact its had on see and understand the impact its had on your community talk about the impact your community talk about the impact your community talk about the impact that it's had as you tried to build a that it's had as you tried to build a that it's had as you tried to build a team and kind of you know develop your team and kind of you know develop your team and kind of you know develop your core and really develop a group of core and really develop a group of core and really develop a group of people who are committed to one hole and people who are committed to one hole and people who are committed to one hole and I've been out serving how has this I've been out serving how has this I've been out serving how has this impacted that group well you know a lot impacted that group well you know a lot impacted that group well you know a lot of times what people see in their of times what people see in their of times what people see in their leadership they emulate and we know that leadership they emulate and we know that leadership they emulate and we know that that example ship really works and so that example ship really works and so that example ship really works and so what we have found is by serving people what we have found is by serving people what we have found is by serving people first and it's attracted people whose first and it's attracted people whose first and it's attracted people whose hearts are not only open to what we're hearts are not only open to what we're hearts are not only open to what we're doing but who really recognize that doing but who really recognize that doing but who really recognize that that's the way forward and so we have a that's the way forward and so we have a that's the way forward and so we have a tremendous team of people over a third tremendous team of people over a third tremendous team of people over a third of our church right now about thirty of our church right now about thirty of our church right now about thirty five percent are active every single five percent are active every single five percent are active every single month serving in some capacity whether month serving in some capacity whether month serving in some capacity whether it's in Sunday morning services or a it's in Sunday morning services or a it's in Sunday morning services or a small group environment or or one of our small group environment or or one of our small group environment or or one of our serve Saturdays we've had a great return serve Saturdays we've had a great return serve Saturdays we've had a great return on recruiting them and I think it's by on recruiting them and I think it's by on recruiting them and I think it's by doing the practical thing not just doing the practical thing not just doing the practical thing not just saying go there but actually going there saying go there but actually going there saying go there but actually going there yourself and doing the things well yourself and doing the things well yourself and doing the things well there's a group of volunteers that there's a group of volunteers that there's a group of volunteers that people who are willing to serve who people who are willing to serve who people who are willing to serve who frankly they would be intimidated by hey frankly they would be intimidated by hey frankly they would be intimidated by hey leading a small group or you know maybe leading a small group or you know maybe leading a small group or you know maybe taking on a kid's environment but if you

taking on a kid's environment but if you taking on a kid's environment but if you were to say to them like hey ever come were to say to them like hey ever come were to say to them like hey ever come by for the first Saturday every month by for the first Saturday every month by for the first Saturday every month and lead a group of people who are going and lead a group of people who are going and lead a group of people who are going to go out and do some sort of practical to go out and do some sort of practical to go out and do some sort of practical help in their community they log in and help in their community they log in and help in their community they log in and get connected which which a lot of times get connected which which a lot of times get connected which which a lot of times and sometimes those are guys and a lot and sometimes those are guys and a lot and sometimes those are guys and a lot of times churches have a hard time of times churches have a hard time of times churches have a hard time connecting with with that group and what connecting with with that group and what connecting with with that group and what I found is in churches that have a I found is in churches that have a I found is in churches that have a really robust service culture like this really robust service culture like this really robust service culture like this there's a swath of again particularly there's a swath of again particularly there's a swath of again particularly guys who are plugged in and serving a guys who are plugged in and serving a guys who are plugged in and serving a lot a lot of churches are losing their lot a lot of churches are losing their lot a lot of churches are losing their not you know and are you seeing that not you know and are you seeing that not you know and are you seeing that sort of thing at one hope to absolutely sort of thing at one hope to absolutely sort of thing at one hope to absolutely we have a very strong contingency of we have a very strong contingency of we have a very strong contingency of young men who are passionate about being young men who are passionate about being young men who are passionate about being involved in in my environment we set up involved in in my environment we set up involved in in my environment we set up and take down church every single and take down church every single and take down church every single weekend so you need some people who can weekend so you need some people who can weekend so you need some people who can carry a few things in the ocean by carry a few things in the ocean by carry a few things in the ocean by having this culture absolutely have a having this culture absolutely have a having this culture absolutely have a strong contingency of men and also I'll strong contingency of men and also I'll strong contingency of men and also I'll tell you one of the added benefits we tell you one of the added benefits we tell you one of the added benefits we live in a very diverse City and live in a very diverse City and live in a very diverse City and unfortunately there's still not many unfortunately there's still not many unfortunately there's still not many churches that are diverse and by churches that are diverse and by churches that are diverse and by starting this approach not only do we starting this approach not only do we starting this approach not only do we see gender diversity that we have a lot see gender diversity that we have a lot see gender diversity that we have a lot of men getting involved and women of men getting involved and women of men getting involved and women getting involved but the the ethnic getting involved but the the ethnic getting involved but the the ethnic background of our church is very diverse background of our church is very diverse background of our church is very diverse we have people from every economic and we have people from every economic and we have people from every economic and ethnic background serving and being a ethnic background serving and being a ethnic background serving and being a part of what we're doing and it's part of what we're doing and it's part of what we're doing and it's because the people who are in greatest because the people who are in greatest because the people who are in greatest need if they're being helped they're need if they're being helped they're need if they're being helped they're going to be drawn in and then they're going to be drawn in and then they're going to be drawn in and then they're going to start to serve and then when going to start to serve and then when going to start to serve and then when people who have more means see this what

people who have more means see this what people who have more means see this what I call return on investment they see I call return on investment they see I call return on investment they see they see what they're investing in they see what they're investing in they see what they're investing in working it draws them in a greater way working it draws them in a greater way working it draws them in a greater way and it really is a dream coming true and it really is a dream coming true and it really is a dream coming true that we would be a truly diverse that we would be a truly diverse that we would be a truly diverse environment and girl that way so I think environment and girl that way so I think environment and girl that way so I think there's a lot of great byproducts of there's a lot of great byproducts of there's a lot of great byproducts of just simply saying just simply saying just simply saying I'm gonna roll up my sleeves I'm not I'm gonna roll up my sleeves I'm not I'm gonna roll up my sleeves I'm not just going to preach on Sunday I'm not just going to preach on Sunday I'm not just going to preach on Sunday I'm not going to be a good talker I'm gonna I'm going to be a good talker I'm gonna I'm going to be a good talker I'm gonna I'm going to dive into this and I'll just going to dive into this and I'll just going to dive into this and I'll just tell you rich it's challenging because tell you rich it's challenging because tell you rich it's challenging because you'll see need at a level that that you'll see need at a level that that you'll see need at a level that that frightens you are talking like this is frightens you are talking like this is frightens you are talking like this is huge how do we fix it mm-hmm there are huge how do we fix it mm-hmm there are huge how do we fix it mm-hmm there are many night so I'm just like Lord how are many night so I'm just like Lord how are many night so I'm just like Lord how are we going to tackle these types of we going to tackle these types of we going to tackle these types of projects and what I find is that God's projects and what I find is that God's projects and what I find is that God's faithful hmm it really is faithful to faithful hmm it really is faithful to faithful hmm it really is faithful to show up when we start doing our part show up when we start doing our part show up when we start doing our part cool well why don't we I want to talk a cool well why don't we I want to talk a cool well why don't we I want to talk a little bit about being portable because little bit about being portable because little bit about being portable because that I know although you know we've had that I know although you know we've had that I know although you know we've had a number of portable churches on I'd a number of portable churches on I'd a number of portable churches on I'd love to hear a little bit about what love to hear a little bit about what love to hear a little bit about what your setup is looking like our you know your setup is looking like our you know your setup is looking like our you know and tell me about the the location and tell me about the the location and tell me about the the location you're in and what are some of the you're in and what are some of the you're in and what are some of the things you've learned over the last few things you've learned over the last few things you've learned over the last few years that make you sustain that that it years that make you sustain that that it years that make you sustain that that it that have you you know able to stay that have you you know able to stay that have you you know able to stay portable and not you know burning people portable and not you know burning people portable and not you know burning people out what that looked like for you one of out what that looked like for you one of out what that looked like for you one of the great things because of my past the great things because of my past the great things because of my past experience with Highlands we launched a experience with Highlands we launched a experience with Highlands we launched a number of our locations horribly so had number of our locations horribly so had number of our locations horribly so had a little bit of experience there I knew a little bit of experience there I knew a little bit of experience there I knew that there are certain things that make that there are certain things that make that there are certain things that make it a lot harder and so poor planning it a lot harder and so poor planning it a lot harder and so poor planning certainly made in portable very

certainly made in portable very certainly made in portable very challenging and so when people come into challenging and so when people come into challenging and so when people come into an environment and they see streamlined an environment and they see streamlined an environment and they see streamlined processes they see a good plan they see processes they see a good plan they see processes they see a good plan they see that you invested on the front end to that you invested on the front end to that you invested on the front end to make this as easy as possible you get a make this as easy as possible you get a make this as easy as possible you get a little more buy-in for people to be little more buy-in for people to be little more buy-in for people to be involved when they feel like men what involved when they feel like men what involved when they feel like men what were you thinking right it tends to were you thinking right it tends to were you thinking right it tends to create burnout yes one of the very create burnout yes one of the very create burnout yes one of the very practical things that we get is most practical things that we get is most practical things that we get is most church environments they have what they church environments they have what they church environments they have what they call one setup and takedown team it's call one setup and takedown team it's call one setup and takedown team it's like one team and they kind of put all like one team and they kind of put all like one team and they kind of put all the eggs in that one basket and that the eggs in that one basket and that the eggs in that one basket and that team tends to be the quickest to burn team tends to be the quickest to burn team tends to be the quickest to burn out seems to be the highest turnover of out seems to be the highest turnover of out seems to be the highest turnover of people and so one of the things that we people and so one of the things that we people and so one of the things that we started with here is to listen every started with here is to listen every started with here is to listen every serve King so whether it's kids serve King so whether it's kids serve King so whether it's kids hospitality whether its production or a hospitality whether its production or a hospitality whether its production or a worship team every team has a portion of worship team every team has a portion of worship team every team has a portion of their team that's dedicated to set up their team that's dedicated to set up their team that's dedicated to set up and take down and so we've actually and take down and so we've actually and take down and so we've actually spread out the pressure so no one like spread out the pressure so no one like spread out the pressure so no one like 10 people have all the weights yes okay 10 people have all the weights yes okay 10 people have all the weights yes okay great thing else you want to share great thing else you want to share great thing else you want to share before we jump into the lightning before we jump into the lightning before we jump into the lightning around yeah I would say just coming to a around yeah I would say just coming to a around yeah I would say just coming to a city that is not in a Bible Belt part of city that is not in a Bible Belt part of city that is not in a Bible Belt part of our country coming to an unchurched city our country coming to an unchurched city our country coming to an unchurched city I think just being very practical about I think just being very practical about I think just being very practical about what you do and even explaining things what you do and even explaining things what you do and even explaining things along the way I mentioned earlier about along the way I mentioned earlier about along the way I mentioned earlier about really designing your sunday services really designing your sunday services really designing your sunday services with with the unchurched in mind and with with the unchurched in mind and with with the unchurched in mind and that is largely just maybe after the that is largely just maybe after the that is largely just maybe after the first song walking up and saying hey first song walking up and saying hey first song walking up and saying hey welcome to worship and we're going to be

welcome to worship and we're going to be welcome to worship and we're going to be singing and as we sing it's really our singing and as we sing it's really our singing and as we sing it's really our worship to got it just take a few worship to got it just take a few worship to got it just take a few minutes to actually explain what you're minutes to actually explain what you're minutes to actually explain what you're doing every single Sunday I talked for doing every single Sunday I talked for doing every single Sunday I talked for about five minutes to people who've about five minutes to people who've about five minutes to people who've never been to the church before and I never been to the church before and I never been to the church before and I just make sure that they're able to just make sure that they're able to just make sure that they're able to connect the dots with things that are connect the dots with things that are connect the dots with things that are unfamiliar to them and i'll tell you it unfamiliar to them and i'll tell you it unfamiliar to them and i'll tell you it goes a long way and it also helps the goes a long way and it also helps the goes a long way and it also helps the church folk to buy into like hey if you church folk to buy into like hey if you church folk to buy into like hey if you bring someone on a sunday who doesn't bring someone on a sunday who doesn't bring someone on a sunday who doesn't know anything about this we're going to know anything about this we're going to know anything about this we're going to treat them with respect and dignity but treat them with respect and dignity but treat them with respect and dignity but we're also going to make sense of maybe we're also going to make sense of maybe we're also going to make sense of maybe why people are clapping and worship why why people are clapping and worship why why people are clapping and worship why why we're singing the way we are singing why we're singing the way we are singing why we're singing the way we are singing and i just think sometimes at the step and i just think sometimes at the step and i just think sometimes at the step back from our our 10,000 foot view of back from our our 10,000 foot view of back from our our 10,000 foot view of church and ministry and just get down church and ministry and just get down church and ministry and just get down I'm not pass through so you gotta put I'm not pass through so you gotta put I'm not pass through so you gotta put the cookies on the bottom shelf so true the cookies on the bottom shelf so true the cookies on the bottom shelf so true take it down so I would say that's one take it down so I would say that's one take it down so I would say that's one of the most practical things you can do of the most practical things you can do of the most practical things you can do and some let's jump in to the the and some let's jump in to the the and some let's jump in to the the Lightning right that's great a lots an Lightning right that's great a lots an Lightning right that's great a lots an online resource Josh that you're using online resource Josh that you're using online resource Josh that you're using these days that's helping you in your these days that's helping you in your these days that's helping you in your ministry I still use a lot grow up calm ministry I still use a lot grow up calm ministry I still use a lot grow up calm and they have a resource page which is and they have a resource page which is and they have a resource page which is uh is also resources grow leader calm uh is also resources grow leader calm uh is also resources grow leader calm and and it's a free resource it comes and and it's a free resource it comes and and it's a free resource it comes from the church groups that I'm a part from the church groups that I'm a part from the church groups that I'm a part of and so I use them a lot as far as of and so I use them a lot as far as of and so I use them a lot as far as ideas and helping to stir fresh things ideas and helping to stir fresh things ideas and helping to stir fresh things and when you're preaching you know one and when you're preaching you know one and when you're preaching you know one of the things about being a part of a of the things about being a part of a of the things about being a part of a team is great but when you actually

team is great but when you actually team is great but when you actually become the leader of a team you're going become the leader of a team you're going become the leader of a team you're going to be preaching a whole lot more and to be preaching a whole lot more and to be preaching a whole lot more and having fresh content and information and having fresh content and information and having fresh content and information and really vision helps a lot and so having really vision helps a lot and so having really vision helps a lot and so having someone that you can look to also look someone that you can look to also look someone that you can look to also look to life church open dot life to life church open dot life to life church open dot life Church and I used them quite a bit these Church and I used them quite a bit these Church and I used them quite a bit these days love pastor Craig Groeschel lots of days love pastor Craig Groeschel lots of days love pastor Craig Groeschel lots of practical inspiration but then they also practical inspiration but then they also practical inspiration but then they also share everything yeah it's great so I share everything yeah it's great so I share everything yeah it's great so I mean if you're not using it in a small mean if you're not using it in a small mean if you're not using it in a small church on a new church environment church on a new church environment church on a new church environment you're really trying to reinvent the you're really trying to reinvent the you're really trying to reinvent the wheel rather than being able to just wheel rather than being able to just wheel rather than being able to just repurpose some things and they're very repurpose some things and they're very repurpose some things and they're very gracious we honor them regularly but gracious we honor them regularly but gracious we honor them regularly but they're very gracious to give it all they're very gracious to give it all they're very gracious to give it all away absolutely great great stuff what's away absolutely great great stuff what's away absolutely great great stuff what's a book you've read in the last I don't a book you've read in the last I don't a book you've read in the last I don't know maybe six months to a year that know maybe six months to a year that know maybe six months to a year that shaped your thinking or ministry well we shaped your thinking or ministry well we shaped your thinking or ministry well we mentioned earlier Kari Nia new house mentioned earlier Kari Nia new house mentioned earlier Kari Nia new house book i just lost a lasting impact on book i just lost a lasting impact on book i just lost a lasting impact on your name you know it helped to remind your name you know it helped to remind your name you know it helped to remind me of the the answers that we want to me of the the answers that we want to me of the the answers that we want to provide to people who are unchurched provide to people who are unchurched provide to people who are unchurched it's a great reminder we actually took it's a great reminder we actually took it's a great reminder we actually took our entire core team gave them a book our entire core team gave them a book our entire core team gave them a book ask them to read it and we had a night ask them to read it and we had a night ask them to read it and we had a night where we just had a three-hour where we just had a three-hour where we just had a three-hour conversation about these things that conversation about these things that conversation about these things that helpless i would recommend that one i helpless i would recommend that one i helpless i would recommend that one i would also if you're a church planter would also if you're a church planter would also if you're a church planter this is a little bit older book way back this is a little bit older book way back this is a little bit older book way back when courageous leadership by pastor when courageous leadership by pastor when courageous leadership by pastor Bill Hybels you know if you're a church Bill Hybels you know if you're a church Bill Hybels you know if you're a church planter or you're considering it there's planter or you're considering it there's planter or you're considering it there's few books that I've read two or three few books that I've read two or three few books that I've read two or three times and I've read courageous

times and I've read courageous times and I've read courageous leadership many times it challenges me leadership many times it challenges me leadership many times it challenges me it touches something in this it touches something in this it touches something in this entrepreneurial rhythm maker and to entrepreneurial rhythm maker and to entrepreneurial rhythm maker and to actually keep doing it so I recommend actually keep doing it so I recommend actually keep doing it so I recommend that one as well yeah absolutely go both that one as well yeah absolutely go both that one as well yeah absolutely go both great books for sure what's another great books for sure what's another great books for sure what's another ministry that lets you're looking to ministry that lets you're looking to ministry that lets you're looking to that inspires you you mentioned life that inspires you you mentioned life that inspires you you mentioned life life church but any other churches out life church but any other churches out life church but any other churches out there that are expiring these days man there that are expiring these days man there that are expiring these days man there are so many I probably have 30 or there are so many I probably have 30 or there are so many I probably have 30 or 40 shortages I on a tab and what I do on 40 shortages I on a tab and what I do on 40 shortages I on a tab and what I do on some days is when I'm just you know your some days is when I'm just you know your some days is when I'm just you know your your prayerfully looking for good ideas your prayerfully looking for good ideas your prayerfully looking for good ideas or you see something that you're going or you see something that you're going or you see something that you're going to stir and I just go tab by tab to stir and I just go tab by tab to stir and I just go tab by tab obviously Hillsong is tremendous obviously Hillsong is tremendous obviously Hillsong is tremendous elevation church pastor Stevens Berbick elevation church pastor Stevens Berbick elevation church pastor Stevens Berbick some of these guys are so creative and some of these guys are so creative and some of these guys are so creative and be Stanley I mean you can't go wrong be Stanley I mean you can't go wrong be Stanley I mean you can't go wrong we're resourced with some of the we're resourced with some of the we're resourced with some of the smartest people and some of the most smartest people and some of the most smartest people and some of the most dynamic people in the world I still like dynamic people in the world I still like dynamic people in the world I still like a little TD jakes as well I think it's a little TD jakes as well I think it's a little TD jakes as well I think it's some of my my heritage some of my my heritage some of my my heritage in New Orleans none so I just simply I in New Orleans none so I just simply I in New Orleans none so I just simply I believe that God works through believe that God works through believe that God works through revelation and inspiration and so when revelation and inspiration and so when revelation and inspiration and so when you're in the Bible a lot and you're you're in the Bible a lot and you're you're in the Bible a lot and you're listening to the Word of God they're listening to the Word of God they're listening to the Word of God they're going to be moments where you're going to be moments where you're going to be moments where you're inspired and when that happens I'm just inspired and when that happens I'm just inspired and when that happens I'm just very diligent to write all that down and very diligent to write all that down and very diligent to write all that down and take note of it no though I know there's take note of it no though I know there's take note of it no though I know there's a lot I really think you can you can a lot I really think you can you can a lot I really think you can you can find a lot with with with Google these find a lot with with with Google these find a lot with with with Google these days yeah absolutely absolutely if you days yeah absolutely absolutely if you days yeah absolutely absolutely if you could get 15 minutes with any leader could get 15 minutes with any leader could get 15 minutes with any leader alive who would you want to get that alive who would you want to get that alive who would you want to get that with and why most recently for me as

with and why most recently for me as with and why most recently for me as Patrick Lencioni I had been just a big Patrick Lencioni I had been just a big Patrick Lencioni I had been just a big fan of his for years or just ordered his fan of his for years or just ordered his fan of his for years or just ordered his newest book about pastoring he's doing newest book about pastoring he's doing newest book about pastoring he's doing one is dedicated to ministry or taking one is dedicated to ministry or taking one is dedicated to ministry or taking care of what he calls a power she comes care of what he calls a power she comes care of what he calls a power she comes from a Catholic heritage which so do I from a Catholic heritage which so do I from a Catholic heritage which so do I so I'm really looking forward to reading so I'm really looking forward to reading so I'm really looking forward to reading that one but i can get 15 minutes with that one but i can get 15 minutes with that one but i can get 15 minutes with him I've got a list of questions him I've got a list of questions him I've got a list of questions probably one question from every book probably one question from every book probably one question from every book written kind of like hey what would you written kind of like hey what would you written kind of like hey what would you expand on this particular idea blame expand on this particular idea blame expand on this particular idea blame this a little more explain that a little this a little more explain that a little this a little more explain that a little more where that kind of thing he's a more where that kind of thing he's a more where that kind of thing he's a tremendous thinker and then when you tremendous thinker and then when you tremendous thinker and then when you really get into his books the practical really get into his books the practical really get into his books the practical application it's just it it's something application it's just it it's something application it's just it it's something you can take from the book and actually you can take from the book and actually you can take from the book and actually use absolute good stuff I you know I use absolute good stuff I you know I use absolute good stuff I you know I know being a lead pastor it's super busy know being a lead pastor it's super busy know being a lead pastor it's super busy as a lot going on it sounds like you as a lot going on it sounds like you as a lot going on it sounds like you know a lot happening at one hope but know a lot happening at one hope but know a lot happening at one hope but when you just want to kick back relax when you just want to kick back relax when you just want to kick back relax enjoy life a little bit what do you do enjoy life a little bit what do you do enjoy life a little bit what do you do for fun I come from as I mentioned for fun I come from as I mentioned for fun I come from as I mentioned earlier a big Italian Catholic heritage earlier a big Italian Catholic heritage earlier a big Italian Catholic heritage so I've got my grandfather just went on so I've got my grandfather just went on so I've got my grandfather just went on to be with the Lord recently twenty to be with the Lord recently twenty to be with the Lord recently twenty grandchildren 20 great-grandchildren grandchildren 20 great-grandchildren grandchildren 20 great-grandchildren wild and so for me family is a big deal wild and so for me family is a big deal wild and so for me family is a big deal whether it's you know taking my son full whether it's you know taking my son full whether it's you know taking my son full wheel riding or shooting or I'm a avid wheel riding or shooting or I'm a avid wheel riding or shooting or I'm a avid crossfitter these days there and so I'm crossfitter these days there and so I'm crossfitter these days there and so I'm not really showing it off in the video not really showing it off in the video not really showing it off in the video here nice but you know for me you have

here nice but you know for me you have here nice but you know for me you have to have something that requires you to to have something that requires you to to have something that requires you to to step away from all of the ministry to step away from all of the ministry to step away from all of the ministry focus and you need something that kind focus and you need something that kind focus and you need something that kind of forces it right and so it for me if of forces it right and so it for me if of forces it right and so it for me if I'm outdoors it's hard for me to be I'm outdoors it's hard for me to be I'm outdoors it's hard for me to be thinking about necessarily what I'm thinking about necessarily what I'm thinking about necessarily what I'm preaching because I'm focused on walking preaching because I'm focused on walking preaching because I'm focused on walking with my kids or are playing ball with with my kids or are playing ball with with my kids or are playing ball with them CrossFit does that for me as well I them CrossFit does that for me as well I them CrossFit does that for me as well I have to focus on what I'm doing to have to focus on what I'm doing to have to focus on what I'm doing to survive because they gonna drop a big survive because they gonna drop a big survive because they gonna drop a big tire on you or something it's something tire on you or something it's something tire on you or something it's something like that it helps that something that like that it helps that something that like that it helps that something that forces your thinking away because you forces your thinking away because you forces your thinking away because you know I think that's really the enemy's know I think that's really the enemy's know I think that's really the enemy's biggest attack on on leaders is that he biggest attack on on leaders is that he biggest attack on on leaders is that he just tries to distract us with so many just tries to distract us with so many just tries to distract us with so many overwhelmed thoughts and Kent is this overwhelmed thoughts and Kent is this overwhelmed thoughts and Kent is this going to work and if I could just say going to work and if I could just say going to work and if I could just say you know to anyone who may be listening you know to anyone who may be listening you know to anyone who may be listening to this podcast randomly one day and to this podcast randomly one day and to this podcast randomly one day and you're in that place where you feel you're in that place where you feel you're in that place where you feel overwhelmed and discouraged the Bible overwhelmed and discouraged the Bible overwhelmed and discouraged the Bible says in Psalms that God goes before us says in Psalms that God goes before us says in Psalms that God goes before us and he follows us and a paint places his and he follows us and a paint places his and he follows us and a paint places his hand of blessing upon our head and there hand of blessing upon our head and there hand of blessing upon our head and there are many days when I felt like is this are many days when I felt like is this are many days when I felt like is this going to work in this city and they're going to work in this city and they're going to work in this city and they're still days like that I mean even this still days like that I mean even this still days like that I mean even this week where my god is this going to is week where my god is this going to is week where my god is this going to is this really going to take off in a big this really going to take off in a big this really going to take off in a big way and I keep reminding myself that way and I keep reminding myself that way and I keep reminding myself that that if I will stay focused on his true that if I will stay focused on his true that if I will stay focused on his true his principles his hand of blessing was his principles his hand of blessing was his principles his hand of blessing was on my head he's going to he's going to on my head he's going to he's going to on my head he's going to he's going to carry us through it and so rich I you carry us through it and so rich I you carry us through it and so rich I you know I just I focus on taking some good know I just I focus on taking some good know I just I focus on taking some good break so that I can make the long haul break so that I can make the long haul break so that I can make the long haul of this I think I can make it to the end

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