Reggie McNeal on Shifting From Local Church Centric to Kingdom-Focused Leadership

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the show hey I'm glad to be here rich the show hey I'm glad to be here rich thank you what a great intro for my thank you what a great intro for my thank you what a great intro for my organization I'll be sure to tell our organization I'll be sure to tell our organization I'll be sure to tell our CEO that you did its proud okay nice CEO that you did its proud okay nice CEO that you did its proud okay nice that's that's great Reggie why don't you that's that's great Reggie why don't you that's that's great Reggie why don't you tell us about your kind of particular tell us about your kind of particular tell us about your kind of particular area of interest or expertise within area of interest or expertise within area of interest or expertise within kind of the leadership network mafia kind of the leadership network mafia kind of the leadership network mafia well my particular assignment right now well my particular assignment right now well my particular assignment right now where I'm doing research and development where I'm doing research and development where I'm doing research and development is in the whole area of City impact it is in the whole area of City impact it is in the whole area of City impact it started grew out of a missional started grew out of a missional started grew out of a missional conversation that before that I was conversation that before that I was conversation that before that I was doing missional Renaissance leadership doing missional Renaissance leadership doing missional Renaissance leadership communities and our would convene teams communities and our would convene teams communities and our would convene teams and we would think of ways that they and we would think of ways that they and we would think of ways that they could accelerate their community could accelerate their community could accelerate their community engagement well now I'm working with engagement well now I'm working with engagement well now I'm working with teams who are very involved in their teams who are very involved in their teams who are very involved in their because we've seen a real growth in that because we've seen a real growth in that because we've seen a real growth in that over the land you know half dozen years over the land you know half dozen years over the land you know half dozen years now I want to help teams who are already now I want to help teams who are already now I want to help teams who are already very significantly engaged with their very significantly engaged with their very significantly engaged with their community and accelerate their community and accelerate their community and accelerate their development to be to create cross-domain development to be to create cross-domain development to be to create cross-domain collaborative that can really focus on collaborative that can really focus on collaborative that can really focus on and move the needle on big issues like and move the needle on big issues like and move the needle on big issues like literacy or community health care or literacy or community health care or literacy or community health care or something like that so I think it's a something like that so I think it's a something like that so I think it's a natural outgrowth of the missional natural outgrowth of the missional natural outgrowth of the missional conversation and actually these days I'm conversation and actually these days I'm conversation and actually these days I'm positioning it in what I'm calling a positioning it in what I'm calling a positioning it in what I'm calling a kingdom canton kingdom centric cotton kingdom canton kingdom centric cotton kingdom canton kingdom centric cotton agenda so when you talk about kind of agenda so when you talk about kind of agenda so when you talk about kind of cross-domain is that like cross multiple cross-domain is that like cross multiple cross-domain is that like cross multiple churches crossed a you know series of churches crossed a you know series of churches crossed a you know series of issues to kind of work together what is issues to kind of work together what is issues to kind of work together what is that what does it look like well by that what does it look like well by that what does it look like well by cross-domain I mean has the faith

cross-domain I mean has the faith cross-domain I mean has the faith community come out and play with other community come out and play with other community come out and play with other societal sectors like the business societal sectors like the business societal sectors like the business community the political community the community the political community the community the political community the you know education or who you know so you know education or who you know so you know education or who you know so there's six or seven or sometimes up to there's six or seven or sometimes up to there's six or seven or sometimes up to 14 different people slice and dice it 14 different people slice and dice it 14 different people slice and dice it differently but private sector public differently but private sector public differently but private sector public sector or social sector those kinds of sector or social sector those kinds of sector or social sector those kinds of things so the church is not going to be things so the church is not going to be things so the church is not going to be able in its own silo and in our own able in its own silo and in our own able in its own silo and in our own little playground for instance if we're little playground for instance if we're little playground for instance if we're working on literacy we can sit in our working on literacy we can sit in our working on literacy we can sit in our church fellowship all all day we can church fellowship all all day we can church fellowship all all day we can recruit volunteers all day but if we recruit volunteers all day but if we recruit volunteers all day but if we don't work with the education sector the don't work with the education sector the don't work with the education sector the business sector then those ideas go business sector then those ideas go business sector then those ideas go nowhere so but but collaborating is nowhere so but but collaborating is nowhere so but but collaborating is something we didn't learn in seminary so something we didn't learn in seminary so something we didn't learn in seminary so we don't have to unsee Maneri that part we don't have to unsee Maneri that part we don't have to unsee Maneri that part it's it's a it's a different kind of it's it's a it's a different kind of it's it's a it's a different kind of competency hmm we have to listen more we competency hmm we have to listen more we competency hmm we have to listen more we have to be more patient you know we have have to be more patient you know we have have to be more patient you know we have to build trust we have to be clear in to build trust we have to be clear in to build trust we have to be clear in our communication we have to establish our communication we have to establish our communication we have to establish expectations promising only what we can expectations promising only what we can expectations promising only what we can deliver that mean there's a whole bunch deliver that mean there's a whole bunch deliver that mean there's a whole bunch of issues around that whole of issues around that whole of issues around that whole collaborative piece and so what I do is collaborative piece and so what I do is collaborative piece and so what I do is I help community church leaders who I help community church leaders who I help community church leaders who really do want to unbundle the social really do want to unbundle the social really do want to unbundle the social capital mm-hmm locked up in their capital mm-hmm locked up in their capital mm-hmm locked up in their congregations and release it back to the congregations and release it back to the congregations and release it back to the community to really moot make a big community to really moot make a big community to really moot make a big difference I help them know how to do difference I help them know how to do difference I help them know how to do that that that there's a cook you know what the there's a cook you know what the there's a cook you know what the preconditions are and then what the preconditions are and then what the preconditions are and then what the collaborative path looks like that's

collaborative path looks like that's collaborative path looks like that's incredible you know I think there are a incredible you know I think there are a incredible you know I think there are a lot of church leaders who may have the lot of church leaders who may have the lot of church leaders who may have the heart for hey we want to reach out we heart for hey we want to reach out we heart for hey we want to reach out we want to take some steps to collaborate want to take some steps to collaborate want to take some steps to collaborate with the people and the government and with the people and the government and with the people and the government and you know business leaders but they just you know business leaders but they just you know business leaders but they just don't know where to start I remember a don't know where to start I remember a don't know where to start I remember a couple years ago that reveal study on a couple years ago that reveal study on a couple years ago that reveal study on a willow talked about one of the kind of willow talked about one of the kind of willow talked about one of the kind of core things they found of growing core things they found of growing core things they found of growing churches was that their leaders were churches was that their leaders were churches was that their leaders were community connectors outside of the community connectors outside of the community connectors outside of the church that they you know we're people church that they you know we're people church that they you know we're people who were looking to build bridges with who were looking to build bridges with who were looking to build bridges with you know the local community where does you know the local community where does you know the local community where does a church leader even start with that a church leader even start with that a church leader even start with that what is that what does that look like what is that what does that look like what is that what does that look like how do you go from being maybe my own how do you go from being maybe my own how do you go from being maybe my own local church centric you know to more of local church centric you know to more of local church centric you know to more of a kingdom focused or more like what a kingdom focused or more like what a kingdom focused or more like what you've said kingdom centric approach you've said kingdom centric approach you've said kingdom centric approach what does it look like well I think what does it look like well I think what does it look like well I think there are three things that have to there are three things that have to there are three things that have to happen to shift a culture there are happen to shift a culture there are happen to shift a culture there are things that have to happen in the leader things that have to happen in the leader things that have to happen in the leader but the culture ultimately has to but the culture ultimately has to but the culture ultimately has to support that leader in this shift from support that leader in this shift from support that leader in this shift from church center to Kingdom centric and so church center to Kingdom centric and so church center to Kingdom centric and so I help leaders think through three legs I help leaders think through three legs I help leaders think through three legs of a stool there if that's a right of a stool there if that's a right of a stool there if that's a right analogy pieces and you don't get a pass analogy pieces and you don't get a pass analogy pieces and you don't get a pass on any of them I mean really you know B+ on any of them I mean really you know B+ on any of them I mean really you know B+ is not going to make it right so you is not going to make it right so you is not going to make it right so you have to pay attention to language you have to pay attention to language you have to pay attention to language you literally have to shift your language literally have to shift your language literally have to shift your language and what I mean by that it's the and what I mean by that it's the and what I mean by that it's the narrative what do we talk about how do narrative what do we talk about how do narrative what do we talk about how do we talk about it you know for the last we talk about it you know for the last we talk about it you know for the last 500 years and the Reformation it's all 500 years and the Reformation it's all 500 years and the Reformation it's all been about you know getting the church been about you know getting the church been about you know getting the church right and all the discussions have been right and all the discussions have been right and all the discussions have been ecclesiological somehow I mean you know ecclesiological somehow I mean you know ecclesiological somehow I mean you know we'll we'll take any topic and bring it we'll we'll take any topic and bring it we'll we'll take any topic and bring it inside the church whether it's gifts or inside the church whether it's gifts or inside the church whether it's gifts or and we will even quote stuff out of and we will even quote stuff out of and we will even quote stuff out of Ephesians that was you know written for

Ephesians that was you know written for Ephesians that was you know written for instance for folks who didn't have instance for folks who didn't have instance for folks who didn't have church jobs well we turn those gifts and church jobs well we turn those gifts and church jobs well we turn those gifts and offices and all that into church jobs offices and all that into church jobs offices and all that into church jobs it's kind of amazing how we can get our it's kind of amazing how we can get our it's kind of amazing how we can get our own experience back even into biblical own experience back even into biblical own experience back even into biblical stuff over the last 500 years and we've stuff over the last 500 years and we've stuff over the last 500 years and we've been trying to figure out you know what been trying to figure out you know what been trying to figure out you know what makes a church and what who can do what makes a church and what who can do what makes a church and what who can do what when can they wear skirt can it happen when can they wear skirt can it happen when can they wear skirt can it happen on to you know all that kind of well all on to you know all that kind of well all on to you know all that kind of well all right all right I can tell you that right all right I can tell you that right all right I can tell you that conversation has probably run its course conversation has probably run its course conversation has probably run its course with most of us is I can promise you with most of us is I can promise you with most of us is I can promise you it's run its course with people outside it's run its course with people outside it's run its course with people outside the church it just that's just a the church it just that's just a the church it just that's just a narrative it just doesn't have traction narrative it just doesn't have traction narrative it just doesn't have traction hmm our kingdom narrative hmm our kingdom narrative hmm our kingdom narrative is all about life it's about the life is all about life it's about the life is all about life it's about the life God wants people to live Jesus says I've God wants people to live Jesus says I've God wants people to live Jesus says I've come to give you life he preached and come to give you life he preached and come to give you life he preached and you know the kingdom of God so you know you know the kingdom of God so you know you know the kingdom of God so you know I would say if if he's preached at the I would say if if he's preached at the I would say if if he's preached at the kingdom of God we all pay attention to kingdom of God we all pay attention to kingdom of God we all pay attention to it it it he didn't preach the gospel of the he didn't preach the gospel of the he didn't preach the gospel of the church it was the gospel of the kingdom church it was the gospel of the kingdom church it was the gospel of the kingdom and then he qualified the kind of like and then he qualified the kind of like and then he qualified the kind of like I'm the way the truth the life and I'm the way the truth the life and I'm the way the truth the life and that's how I basically tell people to that's how I basically tell people to that's how I basically tell people to talk about Kingdom because I'm go out talk about Kingdom because I'm go out talk about Kingdom because I'm go out and run a banner on your church you know and run a banner on your church you know and run a banner on your church you know we're Kingdom since your church because we're Kingdom since your church because we're Kingdom since your church because audio Rabia what what kingdom are you audio Rabia what what kingdom are you audio Rabia what what kingdom are you talking so yes but let's talk about life talking so yes but let's talk about life talking so yes but let's talk about life that's the issue that's that's what the that's the issue that's that's what the that's the issue that's that's what the kingdom is all about hmm which by the kingdom is all about hmm which by the kingdom is all about hmm which by the way takes us then until you know a much way takes us then until you know a much way takes us then until you know a much wider array of issues than simply you wider array of issues than simply you wider array of issues than simply you know what's the fall series yes what are know what's the fall series yes what are know what's the fall series yes what are we talking about this weekend yeah we talking about this weekend yeah we talking about this weekend yeah unemployment we're talking about unemployment we're talking about unemployment we're talking about healthcare we're talking about literacy

healthcare we're talking about literacy healthcare we're talking about literacy we're talking about big stuff here we're talking about big stuff here we're talking about big stuff here martim second thing you have to do martim second thing you have to do martim second thing you have to do besides the language and the narrative besides the language and the narrative besides the language and the narrative and all that is and by the way I should and all that is and by the way I should and all that is and by the way I should you you also when you're talking so when you you also when you're talking so when you you also when you're talking so when I do consulting with congregation we I do consulting with congregation we I do consulting with congregation we actually you know I'll actually help actually you know I'll actually help actually you know I'll actually help them go through their gathering another them go through their gathering another them go through their gathering another weekend experience of whatever was the weekend experience of whatever was the weekend experience of whatever was the community ever mentioned did we ever community ever mentioned did we ever community ever mentioned did we ever pray for the community what's the last pray for the community what's the last pray for the community what's the last time we had a community leader in you time we had a community leader in you time we had a community leader in you dim and bright over them I mean yeah dim and bright over them I mean yeah dim and bright over them I mean yeah just or on our website can you go to the just or on our website can you go to the just or on our website can you go to the children's ministry page this is all children's ministry page this is all children's ministry page this is all about boy we need some help on Sundays about boy we need some help on Sundays about boy we need some help on Sundays right or you know if I want a tutor down right or you know if I want a tutor down right or you know if I want a tutor down at the local school can i you know and at the local school can i you know and at the local school can i you know and we have a partnership there can I sign we have a partnership there can I sign we have a partnership there can I sign up for there I mean it's just it's it's up for there I mean it's just it's it's up for there I mean it's just it's it's just a whole of what array of just a whole of what array of just a whole of what array of communication guys before we leave the communication guys before we leave the communication guys before we leave the language thing just one quick piece of language thing just one quick piece of language thing just one quick piece of that just a little story from our own that just a little story from our own that just a little story from our own church we a couple years ago challenged church we a couple years ago challenged church we a couple years ago challenged all our campus pastors to to get a all our campus pastors to to get a all our campus pastors to to get a meeting to work to get a meeting with meeting to work to get a meeting with meeting to work to get a meeting with the mayor in all the towns we were in the mayor in all the towns we were in the mayor in all the towns we were in and simply asked this question and I and simply asked this question and I and simply asked this question and I don't know if this is the kind of thing don't know if this is the kind of thing don't know if this is the kind of thing you're talking about now simply ask the you're talking about now simply ask the you're talking about now simply ask the question what can we do to help this question what can we do to help this question what can we do to help this city and you know we've got we can city and you know we've got we can city and you know we've got we can mobilize volunteers we're good at that mobilize volunteers we're good at that mobilize volunteers we're good at that we can pull people together and we can pull people together and we can pull people together and what could we do to you know to help and what could we do to you know to help and what could we do to you know to help and in one of our campuses so that was in one of our campuses so that was in one of our campuses so that was well-received and all in all the cities well-received and all in all the cities well-received and all in all the cities we were in in one of our campus we were in in one of our campus we were in in one of our campus the mayor literally sat back in his the mayor literally sat back in his the mayor literally sat back in his chair and said I have never had any

chair and said I have never had any chair and said I have never had any faith community ask me this question faith community ask me this question faith community ask me this question zactly um and and I won't say the town zactly um and and I won't say the town zactly um and and I won't say the town because I don't want to reveal the mayor because I don't want to reveal the mayor because I don't want to reveal the mayor because about what I'm saying that Mayor because about what I'm saying that Mayor because about what I'm saying that Mayor actually he's not a for what I know you actually he's not a for what I know you actually he's not a for what I know you know he doesn't attend church he's not know he doesn't attend church he's not know he doesn't attend church he's not it just I don't know what is you know it just I don't know what is you know it just I don't know what is you know personal faith background isn't no personal faith background isn't no personal faith background isn't no outward signs of that he the next week outward signs of that he the next week outward signs of that he the next week we received a check from him personally we received a check from him personally we received a check from him personally with the note that said I don't know with the note that said I don't know with the note that said I don't know what is happening at your church well I what is happening at your church well I what is happening at your church well I am just so glad you know and and we're am just so glad you know and and we're am just so glad you know and and we're looking forward to working together and looking forward to working together and looking forward to working together and he ended up obviously following up we he ended up obviously following up we he ended up obviously following up we ended up doing some stuff in that ended up doing some stuff in that ended up doing some stuff in that community that we would have never community that we would have never community that we would have never identified we would have never said hey identified we would have never said hey identified we would have never said hey this is the kind of thing we did he said this is the kind of thing we did he said this is the kind of thing we did he said hey here's a particular constituent hey here's a particular constituent hey here's a particular constituent group that's underserved in our group that's underserved in our group that's underserved in our community it would be great if you could community it would be great if you could community it would be great if you could help and that's begun an incredible help and that's begun an incredible help and that's begun an incredible partnership in that town that's grown partnership in that town that's grown partnership in that town that's grown and blossomed into other things and blossomed into other things and blossomed into other things yeah and that's that's what yeah and that's that's what yeah and that's that's what collaboration is I mean it's moved from collaboration is I mean it's moved from collaboration is I mean it's moved from I mean we've seen this move of prepa I mean we've seen this move of prepa I mean we've seen this move of prepa sort what I call progression of sort what I call progression of sort what I call progression of prepositions mmm in the missional prepositions mmm in the missional prepositions mmm in the missional conversation and now Kingdom conversation and now Kingdom conversation and now Kingdom conversation from in I mean years ago we conversation from in I mean years ago we conversation from in I mean years ago we were just helping churches try pay were just helping churches try pay were just helping churches try pay attention to the community they were in attention to the community they were in attention to the community they were in or parachuting in a lot of times the or parachuting in a lot of times the or parachuting in a lot of times the community changed but then we went to community changed but then we went to community changed but then we went to four so we were doing a lot of things four so we were doing a lot of things four so we were doing a lot of things for our communities externally focused for our communities externally focused for our communities externally focused on it all fine yeah now the preposition on it all fine yeah now the preposition on it all fine yeah now the preposition is with and that's the incarnation 'el is with and that's the incarnation 'el is with and that's the incarnation 'el prep don't miss that people that is very prep don't miss that people that is very prep don't miss that people that is very good going from in two for two with good going from in two for two with good going from in two for two with that's great it's a huge jump from forth that's great it's a huge jump from forth that's great it's a huge jump from forth with it changes everything right with it changes everything right with it changes everything right who's the center of gravity off of us to

who's the center of gravity off of us to who's the center of gravity off of us to the larger you know Kingdom and and the larger you know Kingdom and and the larger you know Kingdom and and you're going out to those mayor's to ask you're going out to those mayor's to ask you're going out to those mayor's to ask them what is it you you know you need them what is it you you know you need them what is it you you know you need here to help I've got a great story I here to help I've got a great story I here to help I've got a great story I wait we had I was talking this priest wait we had I was talking this priest wait we had I was talking this priest Episcopal priest in Dallas and move Episcopal priest in Dallas and move Episcopal priest in Dallas and move they're taking on a new parish went to they're taking on a new parish went to they're taking on a new parish went to the local elementary school and said you the local elementary school and said you the local elementary school and said you know I'm a parish priest but I think of know I'm a parish priest but I think of know I'm a parish priest but I think of the communities my parish the communities my parish the communities my parish that's a kingdom and tell him mm-hmm and that's a kingdom and tell him mm-hmm and that's a kingdom and tell him mm-hmm and he said so how can we help here and said he said so how can we help here and said he said so how can we help here and said let me think about that and so you know let me think about that and so you know let me think about that and so you know he goes back he writes back to the he goes back he writes back to the he goes back he writes back to the principal in Georgia time today look principal in Georgia time today look principal in Georgia time today look forward to hearing back she forwards it forward to hearing back she forwards it forward to hearing back she forwards it does it take his name off does it take his name off does it take his name off that's why Ford's it to colleague you that's why Ford's it to colleague you that's why Ford's it to colleague you know I had this religious nut come see know I had this religious nut come see know I had this religious nut come see me oh no me oh no me oh no so the colleague writes back in you know so the colleague writes back in you know so the colleague writes back in you know reply or I mean this guy's what is this reply or I mean this guy's what is this reply or I mean this guy's what is this back and forth and and it says give him back and forth and and it says give him back and forth and and it says give him a menial job and so he would have done a menial job and so he would have done a menial job and so he would have done it anyway but she fires back but we need it anyway but she fires back but we need it anyway but she fires back but we need a school crossing guard you know and I'm a school crossing guard you know and I'm a school crossing guard you know and I'm saying this to say whatever it is that saying this to say whatever it is that saying this to say whatever it is that people say if you go to say you know people say if you go to say you know people say if you go to say you know what can we do to help or or what's the what can we do to help or or what's the what can we do to help or or what's the one or thing that we could do that would one or thing that we could do that would one or thing that we could do that would make the most difference you better pay make the most difference you better pay make the most difference you better pay attention yes start with what they give attention yes start with what they give attention yes start with what they give you you know so this guy said I'm your you you know so this guy said I'm your you you know so this guy said I'm your man I don't know if you've ever been a man I don't know if you've ever been a man I don't know if you've ever been a school crossing guy I get up before God school crossing guy I get up before God school crossing guy I get up before God you're dodging people that are on the you're dodging people that are on the you're dodging people that are on the phone and putting on makeup and get off phone and putting on makeup and get off phone and putting on makeup and get off your kid yeah so I mean but six months

your kid yeah so I mean but six months your kid yeah so I mean but six months later he's in like Flynn I mean anytime later he's in like Flynn I mean anytime later he's in like Flynn I mean anytime a kid you know a divorce or a house a kid you know a divorce or a house a kid you know a divorce or a house burns down or move I mean he or grief in burns down or move I mean he or grief in burns down or move I mean he or grief in the family mmm-hmm he's the go-to guy the family mmm-hmm he's the go-to guy the family mmm-hmm he's the go-to guy there and now he's able to bring he there and now he's able to bring he there and now he's able to bring he could have started say I've got two could have started say I've got two could have started say I've got two hundred ears I could only but no now hundred ears I could only but no now hundred ears I could only but no now he's able to bring them into that simply he's able to bring them into that simply he's able to bring them into that simply willing to be a servant yes then and so willing to be a servant yes then and so willing to be a servant yes then and so that with it just its structure it just that with it just its structure it just that with it just its structure it just changes everything in our minds but and changes everything in our minds but and changes everything in our minds but and and it kind of challenges it really does and it kind of challenges it really does and it kind of challenges it really does challenge our hubris in us as spiritual challenge our hubris in us as spiritual challenge our hubris in us as spiritual inborn we know what's good for people inborn we know what's good for people inborn we know what's good for people after all you know so just listen and after all you know so just listen and after all you know so just listen and nice approach it with the humble yes nice approach it with the humble yes nice approach it with the humble yes it's just it's it totally changes the it's just it's it totally changes the it's just it's it totally changes the narrative so I was the first thing we narrative so I was the first thing we narrative so I was the first thing we deal with the language what are some deal with the language what are some deal with the language what are some other things as we try to make this other things as we try to make this other things as we try to make this shift when you got right through to shift when you got right through to shift when you got right through to other things if you won't interrupt I other things if you won't interrupt I other things if you won't interrupt I can get through this no I look tired of can get through this no I look tired of can get through this no I look tired of being here your folks don't know me I being here your folks don't know me I being here your folks don't know me I know grand know grand know grand I mess away these when my mouth moves so I mess away these when my mouth moves so I mess away these when my mouth moves so the second thing is the scorecard the second thing is the scorecard the second thing is the scorecard you have to change scorecard and some you have to change scorecard and some you have to change scorecard and some people don't like my use of the word people don't like my use of the word people don't like my use of the word score don't okay that's good don't use score don't okay that's good don't use score don't okay that's good don't use it but but my point is whatever it is it but but my point is whatever it is it but but my point is whatever it is you celebrate in your system in your you celebrate in your system in your you celebrate in your system in your culture that's what people think is the culture that's what people think is the culture that's what people think is the big deal so if we're only celebrating big deal so if we're only celebrating big deal so if we're only celebrating church centric myth metrics like how church centric myth metrics like how church centric myth metrics like how many folks came how much money did they

many folks came how much money did they many folks came how much money did they bring how often do they come you know bring how often do they come you know bring how often do they come you know all these church activities led by all these church activities led by all these church activities led by church people for church people consumed church people for church people consumed church people for church people consumed doctors beyond church all that stuff doctors beyond church all that stuff doctors beyond church all that stuff then people are gonna think oh okay this then people are gonna think oh okay this then people are gonna think oh okay this this is what's really important to God this is what's really important to God this is what's really important to God and actually he's taking his own cues and actually he's taking his own cues and actually he's taking his own cues you know for how the kingdom's going you know for how the kingdom's going you know for how the kingdom's going based on Sunday attendance I mean what a based on Sunday attendance I mean what a based on Sunday attendance I mean what a what a shrink-wrap notion but if we have what a shrink-wrap notion but if we have what a shrink-wrap notion but if we have the courage in the guts to shift our the courage in the guts to shift our the courage in the guts to shift our scorecard to say you know we're driving scorecard to say you know we're driving scorecard to say you know we're driving the number of hungry kids in our school the number of hungry kids in our school the number of hungry kids in our school system to zero or we're taking the system to zero or we're taking the system to zero or we're taking the number of kids off the first grade number of kids off the first grade number of kids off the first grade reading list or you know at-risk list I reading list or you know at-risk list I reading list or you know at-risk list I mean we have the guts to hook our mean we have the guts to hook our mean we have the guts to hook our scorecard to actually people enjoying scorecard to actually people enjoying scorecard to actually people enjoying better lives than our commuters then better lives than our commuters then better lives than our commuters then that that certainly changes priorities that that certainly changes priorities that that certainly changes priorities it changes budgeting changes everything it changes budgeting changes everything it changes budgeting changes everything and this is what I'm encouraging folks and this is what I'm encouraging folks and this is what I'm encouraging folks to do and challenging them to do quite to do and challenging them to do quite to do and challenging them to do quite honestly but I kind of feel like it's a honestly but I kind of feel like it's a honestly but I kind of feel like it's a bit idolatrous to keep celebrating the bit idolatrous to keep celebrating the bit idolatrous to keep celebrating the fact that we have ten more people or a fact that we have ten more people or a fact that we have ten more people or a hundred more or a thousand more right hundred more or a thousand more right hundred more or a thousand more right let's come into our deal but you know let's come into our deal but you know let's come into our deal but you know our towns going to hell in a handbasket our towns going to hell in a handbasket our towns going to hell in a handbasket I mean Jeremiah 29 you know that thing I mean Jeremiah 29 you know that thing I mean Jeremiah 29 you know that thing about seek the welfare of the city I about seek the welfare of the city I about seek the welfare of the city I mean what two exiles and that's us in mean what two exiles and that's us in mean what two exiles and that's us in our culture now suddenly we woke up and our culture now suddenly we woke up and our culture now suddenly we woke up and that's where we are you know I mean if that's where we are you know I mean if that's where we are you know I mean if you're gonna seek the welfare of the you're gonna seek the welfare of the you're gonna seek the welfare of the city and pray for it because I mean city and pray for it because I mean city and pray for it because I mean prospers you'll prosper well then what prospers you'll prosper well then what prospers you'll prosper well then what does that scorecard look like so and does that scorecard look like so and does that scorecard look like so and this is hand-to-hand combat though I'm this is hand-to-hand combat though I'm this is hand-to-hand combat though I'm telling you this is not easy because we telling you this is not easy because we telling you this is not easy because we have 1700 years of deeply entrenched

have 1700 years of deeply entrenched have 1700 years of deeply entrenched church centric metrics to you know just church centric metrics to you know just church centric metrics to you know just to gauge how we're doing not just on to gauge how we're doing not just on to gauge how we're doing not just on that let me let me play the devil's that let me let me play the devil's that let me let me play the devil's advocate here using that word you know advocate here using that word you know advocate here using that word you know particularly you know other particularly you know other particularly you know other that listening to you the leadership that listening to you the leadership that listening to you the leadership network does come out of kind of a yeah network does come out of kind of a yeah network does come out of kind of a yeah a pretty standard I would say a pretty standard I would say a pretty standard I would say evangelical you know kind of part of the evangelical you know kind of part of the evangelical you know kind of part of the Christian community who we have become Christian community who we have become Christian community who we have become very good at counting nickels and noses very good at counting nickels and noses very good at counting nickels and noses and we you know we love that stuff they and we you know we love that stuff they and we you know we love that stuff they listen to you they listen to the listen to you they listen to the listen to you they listen to the challenge and they say yeah but isn't challenge and they say yeah but isn't challenge and they say yeah but isn't this just all that kind of social this just all that kind of social this just all that kind of social justice stuff do we know what do we justice stuff do we know what do we justice stuff do we know what do we really care about all that or with or is really care about all that or with or is really care about all that or with or is it just about conversions yeah I run it just about conversions yeah I run it just about conversions yeah I run into this all the time and and I into this all the time and and I into this all the time and and I appreciate the question first of all I appreciate the question first of all I appreciate the question first of all I do want to say what part of the gospel do want to say what part of the gospel do want to say what part of the gospel it is not supposed to have social it is not supposed to have social it is not supposed to have social implications if we understand the gospel implications if we understand the gospel implications if we understand the gospel and the holistic nature of what God is and the holistic nature of what God is and the holistic nature of what God is up to restoring everything that sent up to restoring everything that sent up to restoring everything that sent tarnished diminished broke in the fall tarnished diminished broke in the fall tarnished diminished broke in the fall then backing away from any part of that then backing away from any part of that then backing away from any part of that to me seems kind of cowardly and quite to me seems kind of cowardly and quite to me seems kind of cowardly and quite honestly but I understand the historical honestly but I understand the historical honestly but I understand the historical context were in a hundred years ago when context were in a hundred years ago when context were in a hundred years ago when fundamentalism showed up it just drove a fundamentalism showed up it just drove a fundamentalism showed up it just drove a wedge in American Christianity between wedge in American Christianity between wedge in American Christianity between mainline denominations who you know mainline denominations who you know mainline denominations who you know suddenly begin to backpedal off of the suddenly begin to backpedal off of the suddenly begin to backpedal off of the Jesus claims because you know they Jesus claims because you know they Jesus claims because you know they didn't want to be viewed as those didn't want to be viewed as those didn't want to be viewed as those fundamentalists over there but they hung fundamentalists over there but they hung fundamentalists over there but they hung in there I mean they hung in in the soup

in there I mean they hung in in the soup in there I mean they hung in in the soup kitchens on you go to inner cities and I kitchens on you go to inner cities and I kitchens on you go to inner cities and I mean it's the mainline denominations mean it's the mainline denominations mean it's the mainline denominations that still have a presence and that's that still have a presence and that's that still have a presence and that's the angelical is acting like we just the angelical is acting like we just the angelical is acting like we just discovered social justice kind of goes a discovered social justice kind of goes a discovered social justice kind of goes a little spin yeah some of the groups or little spin yeah some of the groups or little spin yeah some of the groups or Catholic Charities right whatever I mean Catholic Charities right whatever I mean Catholic Charities right whatever I mean they're folks that have hung in there they're folks that have hung in there they're folks that have hung in there forever but back peddling from the Jesus forever but back peddling from the Jesus forever but back peddling from the Jesus piece has been particularly a challenge piece has been particularly a challenge piece has been particularly a challenge and when I work with these groups and I and when I work with these groups and I and when I work with these groups and I do work with the Laura a lot of I'll be do work with the Laura a lot of I'll be do work with the Laura a lot of I'll be with 10 Methodist congregations mm-hmm with 10 Methodist congregations mm-hmm with 10 Methodist congregations mm-hmm starting tomorrow mm-hmm encouragement starting tomorrow mm-hmm encouragement starting tomorrow mm-hmm encouragement to them as you know you don't have to to them as you know you don't have to to them as you know you don't have to leave Jesus out of the equation here leave Jesus out of the equation here leave Jesus out of the equation here right people expect you to believe right people expect you to believe right people expect you to believe something and they kind of actually want something and they kind of actually want something and they kind of actually want to know why you do what you do this to know why you do what you do this to know why you do what you do this you're doing what you do because you you're doing what you do because you you're doing what you do because you look now if you say well I'm doing this look now if you say well I'm doing this look now if you say well I'm doing this so I can get a check from the mayor so I can get a check from the mayor so I can get a check from the mayor right so that we can improve the number right so that we can improve the number right so that we can improve the number of conversions we have I mean that is so of conversions we have I mean that is so of conversions we have I mean that is so that I mean that the kind of that I mean that the kind of that I mean that the kind of bait-and-switch that kind of yeah I mean bait-and-switch that kind of yeah I mean bait-and-switch that kind of yeah I mean that's where that trust thing comes in that's where that trust thing comes in that's where that trust thing comes in and people smell it from a million miles and people smell it from a million miles and people smell it from a million miles away right people yeah exactly right I away right people yeah exactly right I away right people yeah exactly right I mean they see this coming from the mean they see this coming from the mean they see this coming from the netcode over so what we have to do is netcode over so what we have to do is netcode over so what we have to do is faithful sharing the truth in love both faithful sharing the truth in love both faithful sharing the truth in love both pieces are important you don't truly pieces are important you don't truly pieces are important you don't truly love people if you don't tell them the love people if you don't tell them the love people if you don't tell them the truth but if you don't love folks even truth but if you don't love folks even truth but if you don't love folks even bullhorn them with the truth and who bullhorn them with the truth and who bullhorn them with the truth and who cares cares cares so both pieces are important and we just so both pieces are important and we just so both pieces are important and we just have to be faithful to when God who's have to be faithful to when God who's have to be faithful to when God who's already at work with everybody we're already at work with everybody we're already at work with everybody we're gonna work with yes I've never left gonna work with yes I've never left gonna work with yes I've never left inner city and he never left schools by inner city and he never left schools by inner city and he never left schools by the way yeah I mean you know all that the way yeah I mean you know all that the way yeah I mean you know all that silly stuff that we talked about I mean silly stuff that we talked about I mean silly stuff that we talked about I mean we run slap into God in the you know the

we run slap into God in the you know the we run slap into God in the you know the underserved the under-resourced underserved the under-resourced underserved the under-resourced populations because he's there he's at populations because he's there he's at populations because he's there he's at work and so as he opens up those work and so as he opens up those work and so as he opens up those opportunities I say we've got to be opportunities I say we've got to be opportunities I say we've got to be faithful to step into that conversation faithful to step into that conversation faithful to step into that conversation absolutely give an answer for the hope absolutely give an answer for the hope absolutely give an answer for the hope that's in us and the Epsilon's is like that's in us and the Epsilon's is like that's in us and the Epsilon's is like this I'm thinking of a group here and this I'm thinking of a group here and this I'm thinking of a group here and they start a sports league a community a they start a sports league a community a they start a sports league a community a neighborhood sports league not you know neighborhood sports league not you know neighborhood sports league not you know so that the kids could belong to so that the kids could belong to so that the kids could belong to something organized besides a gang hmm something organized besides a gang hmm something organized besides a gang hmm tell you three years in while they tell you three years in while they tell you three years in while they started with all with there wasn't one started with all with there wasn't one started with all with there wasn't one single family mm-hmm was in that that an single family mm-hmm was in that that an single family mm-hmm was in that that an initial group that was connected to initial group that was connected to initial group that was connected to faith community in any way now they're faith community in any way now they're faith community in any way now they're all connected to faith community then all connected to faith community then all connected to faith community then Jesus start the sports league just we Jesus start the sports league just we Jesus start the sports league just we can have a chance to you know run out can have a chance to you know run out can have a chance to you know run out and do a drive-by shooting with a golf and do a drive-by shooting with a golf and do a drive-by shooting with a golf dart that because these kids you want dart that because these kids you want dart that because these kids you want them to have a better life what happens them to have a better life what happens them to have a better life what happens is when people are being served and and is when people are being served and and is when people are being served and and they realize that I mean you know the they realize that I mean you know the they realize that I mean you know the spirit just opens up those opportunities spirit just opens up those opportunities spirit just opens up those opportunities absolutely wait from yeah for sure I get absolutely wait from yeah for sure I get absolutely wait from yeah for sure I get quick quick example last year our church quick quick example last year our church quick quick example last year our church did a we have a pretty robust inclusion did a we have a pretty robust inclusion did a we have a pretty robust inclusion ministry so kids with special needs and ministry so kids with special needs and ministry so kids with special needs and but we've we don't really do anything but we've we don't really do anything but we've we don't really do anything for adults or young adults and so we had for adults or young adults and so we had for adults or young adults and so we had a number of people challenge like maybe a number of people challenge like maybe a number of people challenge like maybe we should be doing something on that we should be doing something on that we should be doing something on that front and so last year we hosted a front and so last year we hosted a front and so last year we hosted a one-time event we did a prom for kids

one-time event we did a prom for kids one-time event we did a prom for kids impacted with special needs last year we impacted with special needs last year we impacted with special needs last year we had about a hundred kids come to it it had about a hundred kids come to it it had about a hundred kids come to it it was a was a was a amazing it was literally Kingdom on amazing it was literally Kingdom on amazing it was literally Kingdom on earth stuff right it was incredible this earth stuff right it was incredible this earth stuff right it was incredible this year and I our team I had very little to year and I our team I had very little to year and I our team I had very little to do with this our team did an incredible do with this our team did an incredible do with this our team did an incredible job job job it went from a hundred guests to five it went from a hundred guests to five it went from a hundred guests to five hundred guests was literally five times hundred guests was literally five times hundred guests was literally five times as big it was incredible as big it was incredible as big it was incredible but it was interesting listening to the but it was interesting listening to the but it was interesting listening to the feedback from the parents of the guests feedback from the parents of the guests feedback from the parents of the guests the vast majority of the parents of the the vast majority of the parents of the the vast majority of the parents of the guests who came vast majorities people guests who came vast majorities people guests who came vast majorities people don't attend our church we're just don't attend our church we're just don't attend our church we're just serving our community we're just serving our community we're just serving our community we're just reaching out to a population saying hey reaching out to a population saying hey reaching out to a population saying hey we're doing this we'd love for you to we're doing this we'd love for you to we're doing this we'd love for you to come in come in come in I heard time and time again from parents I heard time and time again from parents I heard time and time again from parents of the guests saying oh I I was kind of of the guests saying oh I I was kind of of the guests saying oh I I was kind of nervous to come because I thought you nervous to come because I thought you nervous to come because I thought you guys were gonna like preach at us or guys were gonna like preach at us or guys were gonna like preach at us or like and I was I kind of the whole night like and I was I kind of the whole night like and I was I kind of the whole night was like waiting for that moment but was like waiting for that moment but was like waiting for that moment but then I realized you're people just then I realized you're people just then I realized you're people just wanted to care for us you people just wanted to care for us you people just wanted to care for us you people just want and what did that do that opened up want and what did that do that opened up want and what did that do that opened up an opportunity to then talk and and and an opportunity to then talk and and and an opportunity to then talk and and and it asked that question well why are you it asked that question well why are you it asked that question well why are you doing this why are you what are you why doing this why are you what are you why doing this why are you what are you why are you engaged in this thing I mean are you engaged in this thing I mean are you engaged in this thing I mean then it's a very natural yes absolutely then it's a very natural yes absolutely then it's a very natural yes absolutely it's not some canned marketing thing is it's not some canned marketing thing is it's not some canned marketing thing is it you know like we're selling Jesus it you know like we're selling Jesus it you know like we're selling Jesus like soap or something exactly what like soap or something exactly what like soap or something exactly what what's fascinating too about this I find what's fascinating too about this I find what's fascinating too about this I find is that you know business uses the is that you know business uses the is that you know business uses the business community uses a term lag and business community uses a term lag and business community uses a term lag and lead factors and when they scorecard in lead factors and when they scorecard in lead factors and when they scorecard in the church we're no toys so we just the church we're no toys so we just the church we're no toys so we just measure lag factors like a number of measure lag factors like a number of measure lag factors like a number of conversions yes there's a whole lot of conversions yes there's a whole lot of conversions yes there's a whole lot of lead things that have to go in like

lead things that have to go in like lead things that have to go in like having conversations with people right having conversations with people right having conversations with people right so you're never going to get more so you're never going to get more so you're never going to get more conversions until your conversation rate conversions until your conversation rate conversions until your conversation rate goes up and we just have it we haven't goes up and we just have it we haven't goes up and we just have it we haven't figured out you know I mean I grew up in figured out you know I mean I grew up in figured out you know I mean I grew up in a tribe where you know our pickup line a tribe where you know our pickup line a tribe where you know our pickup line was you know you're gonna go to hell for was you know you're gonna go to hell for was you know you're gonna go to hell for I like sausage and then we wondered why I like sausage and then we wondered why I like sausage and then we wondered why people didn't want to pursue that people didn't want to pursue that people didn't want to pursue that conversation but you know you do what conversation but you know you do what conversation but you know you do what you do you have a you know you're in a you do you have a you know you're in a you do you have a you know you're in a service thing or your son and by the way service thing or your son and by the way service thing or your son and by the way you know angels them used to be me and you know angels them used to be me and you know angels them used to be me and you kind of this confrontational across you kind of this confrontational across you kind of this confrontational across the table or across a cup of coffee the table or across a cup of coffee the table or across a cup of coffee most of the evangelism I think in this most of the evangelism I think in this most of the evangelism I think in this new kingdom paradigm is shoulder to new kingdom paradigm is shoulder to new kingdom paradigm is shoulder to shoulder or who are working with us or shoulder or who are working with us or shoulder or who are working with us or or you know we're doing we're both or you know we're doing we're both or you know we're doing we're both mentoring in the school and in those mentoring in the school and in those mentoring in the school and in those conversations just beginning what conversations just beginning what conversations just beginning what motivates you and that kind of thing oh motivates you and that kind of thing oh motivates you and that kind of thing oh my goodness then you then you're off to my goodness then you then you're off to my goodness then you then you're off to a a a a conversation just starts out of who a conversation just starts out of who a conversation just starts out of who you are instead of some you know you you are instead of some you know you you are instead of some you know you know let me pull down the the you know know let me pull down the the you know know let me pull down the the you know give me a PowerPoint so I anyway it all give me a PowerPoint so I anyway it all give me a PowerPoint so I anyway it all over that's cool so language scorecard over that's cool so language scorecard over that's cool so language scorecard you know what are we what are we you know what are we what are we you know what are we what are we measuring and then what's the third measuring and then what's the third measuring and then what's the third thing we should be wrestling through thing we should be wrestling through thing we should be wrestling through well the leadership agenda has to shift well the leadership agenda has to shift well the leadership agenda has to shift and I will we've hinted at a lot of this and I will we've hinted at a lot of this and I will we've hinted at a lot of this already but the leader has to change already but the leader has to change already but the leader has to change their own personal scorecard I was just their own personal scorecard I was just their own personal scorecard I was just with 32 district superintendents of with 32 district superintendents of with 32 district superintendents of Education in the state of Texas they Education in the state of Texas they Education in the state of Texas they brought me in by the way listen listen brought me in by the way listen listen brought me in by the way listen listen to how the script has flipped they to how the script has flipped they to how the script has flipped they brought me in to say how can we engage brought me in to say how can we engage brought me in to say how can we engage the faith community in our schools help

the faith community in our schools help the faith community in our schools help us know how to do that can you believe us know how to do that can you believe us know how to do that can you believe that I mean amazing they're saying we that I mean amazing they're saying we that I mean amazing they're saying we are so desperate for help help us know are so desperate for help help us know are so desperate for help help us know how to get now there's there's that part how to get now there's there's that part how to get now there's there's that part of me that that that's aggravated at of me that that that's aggravated at of me that that that's aggravated at that food saying why in the world in the that food saying why in the world in the that food saying why in the world in the church beating on the door of the states church beating on the door of the states church beating on the door of the states these superintendent's investigation these superintendent's investigation these superintendent's investigation I think we're here to help how can we I think we're here to help how can we I think we're here to help how can we help I mean it's just incredible to me help I mean it's just incredible to me help I mean it's just incredible to me we're now that the the leaders are all we're now that the the leaders are all we're now that the the leaders are all right so one of those one of those super right so one of those one of those super right so one of those one of those super tons of Education stood up and talked tons of Education stood up and talked tons of Education stood up and talked about his own districts volunteer about his own districts volunteer about his own districts volunteer reading it's a client of mine in reading it's a client of mine in reading it's a client of mine in northeast Texas Titus County house northeast Texas Titus County house northeast Texas Titus County house downstairs and they started Titans downstairs and they started Titans downstairs and they started Titans County reads under the umbrella of their County reads under the umbrella of their County reads under the umbrella of their larger efforts beautiful beautiful larger efforts beautiful beautiful larger efforts beautiful beautiful organization mmm-hmm and but but this organization mmm-hmm and but but this organization mmm-hmm and but but this superintendent he himself reads on superintendent he himself reads on superintendent he himself reads on Tuesday afternoon see that's the Tuesday afternoon see that's the Tuesday afternoon see that's the leadership you got two children first leadership you got two children first leadership you got two children first yep when you're leading a movement you yep when you're leading a movement you yep when you're leading a movement you don't do that from a memo you don't do don't do that from a memo you don't do don't do that from a memo you don't do that from the office you do that in the that from the office you do that in the that from the office you do that in the trenches you do that in the street so trenches you do that in the street so trenches you do that in the street so you know if you want to be a kingdom you know if you want to be a kingdom you know if you want to be a kingdom leader you yourself have to go first but leader you yourself have to go first but leader you yourself have to go first but you don't go by yourself I mean you take you don't go by yourself I mean you take you don't go by yourself I mean you take with you by the way this superintendent with you by the way this superintendent with you by the way this superintendent emailed all of his principles of his emailed all of his principles of his emailed all of his principles of his school saying I suggest you consider school saying I suggest you consider school saying I suggest you consider being a volunteer reader and by the way being a volunteer reader and by the way being a volunteer reader and by the way I'm doing on Tuesday a corporate school I'm doing on Tuesday a corporate school I'm doing on Tuesday a corporate school over here yes this is a slam dunk but by over here yes this is a slam dunk but by over here yes this is a slam dunk but by the way he told him he told the story is the way he told him he told the story is the way he told him he told the story is incredible I he was late I the the incredible I he was late I the the incredible I he was late I the the program is only five weeks in he was ten

program is only five weeks in he was ten program is only five weeks in he was ten minutes late to his reading Oh No thirty minutes late to his reading Oh No thirty minutes late to his reading Oh No thirty men re and he came up to the school he men re and he came up to the school he men re and he came up to the school he walked through the door in the child the walked through the door in the child the walked through the door in the child the second grade boy that he read to was in second grade boy that he read to was in second grade boy that he read to was in the hall on the floor just bawling his the hall on the floor just bawling his the hall on the floor just bawling his uh interpret yells out and says hey you uh interpret yells out and says hey you uh interpret yells out and says hey you know I you know and the kid looks up and know I you know and the kid looks up and know I you know and the kid looks up and grin just takes off running just jumps grin just takes off running just jumps grin just takes off running just jumps and it just launches himself into the and it just launches himself into the and it just launches himself into the arm sweet it says you know to him wet arm sweet it says you know to him wet arm sweet it says you know to him wet face it you know says I thought you face it you know says I thought you face it you know says I thought you weren't coming oh my gosh a ten minute I weren't coming oh my gosh a ten minute I weren't coming oh my gosh a ten minute I mean how many people have left that kid mean how many people have left that kid mean how many people have left that kid down absolutely down absolutely down absolutely this is you know we just changed we just this is you know we just changed we just this is you know we just changed we just changed life directories one by one by changed life directories one by one by changed life directories one by one by one just matters I mean that kid huh one just matters I mean that kid huh one just matters I mean that kid huh that kid I mean he's gonna have a chance that kid I mean he's gonna have a chance that kid I mean he's gonna have a chance mm-hmm it's a fighting chance well mm-hmm it's a fighting chance well mm-hmm it's a fighting chance well someone gave him thirty minutes of someone gave him thirty minutes of someone gave him thirty minutes of uninterrupted attention mm-hmm uninterrupted attention mm-hmm uninterrupted attention mm-hmm negatively mm-hmm you know oh my gosh I negatively mm-hmm you know oh my gosh I negatively mm-hmm you know oh my gosh I mean that's incredible it's incredible mean that's incredible it's incredible mean that's incredible it's incredible well Reggie this has been it this has well Reggie this has been it this has well Reggie this has been it this has been amazing anything else you want to been amazing anything else you want to been amazing anything else you want to share before we wrap up for this episode share before we wrap up for this episode share before we wrap up for this episode it's been just you know it's just been it's been just you know it's just been it's been just you know it's just been amazing content I really appreciate you amazing content I really appreciate you amazing content I really appreciate you jumping on today's call a problem I mean jumping on today's call a problem I mean jumping on today's call a problem I mean there's lots I want to share but I don't there's lots I want to share but I don't there's lots I want to share but I don't if I start down another Road I don't if I start down another Road I don't if I start down another Road I don't know how I'll come back from it but I know how I'll come back from it but I know how I'll come back from it but I would say I I'd like to end with was would say I I'd like to end with was would say I I'd like to end with was saying to leaders if this stirs your saying to leaders if this stirs your saying to leaders if this stirs your heart a bit and says yeah this is heart a bit and says yeah this is heart a bit and says yeah this is something then you know just just get

something then you know just just get something then you know just just get out there weight into it out there weight into it out there weight into it don't be intimidated by the fact that don't be intimidated by the fact that don't be intimidated by the fact that you you don't know how you're gonna you you don't know how you're gonna you you don't know how you're gonna screw up but it's important we need to screw up but it's important we need to screw up but it's important we need to screw up more in this area you know in screw up more in this area you know in screw up more in this area you know in order to become a player in this if I order to become a player in this if I order to become a player in this if I don't make the same mistake over and don't make the same mistake over and don't make the same mistake over and over but go ahead go first and figure it over but go ahead go first and figure it over but go ahead go first and figure it out and then let that work from inside out and then let that work from inside out and then let that work from inside you know that that Y will begin to show you know that that Y will begin to show you know that that Y will begin to show up in your own life up in your own life up in your own life and it'll be an unassailable invitation and it'll be an unassailable invitation and it'll be an unassailable invitation well I appreciate you being on the show well I appreciate you being on the show well I appreciate you being on the show today if people want to get in touch today if people want to get in touch today if people want to get in touch with you or with leadership network how with you or with leadership network how with you or with leadership network how can they do that well our website is can they do that well our website is can they do that well our website is lead to net short for leadership network lead to net short for leadership network lead to net short for leadership network org I org I org I can email me at Reggie McNeal at lead can email me at Reggie McNeal at lead can email me at Reggie McNeal at lead net org it'll-it'll find me and I'd be net org it'll-it'll find me and I'd be net org it'll-it'll find me and I'd be happy to hear from Pope great thanks so happy to hear from Pope great thanks so happy to hear from Pope great thanks so much for you appreciate me on the show much for you appreciate me on the show much for you appreciate me on the show today I'll have to apply to visit with today I'll have to apply to visit with today I'll have to apply to visit with you ready talk to you later thank you you ready talk to you later thank you you ready talk to you later thank you for tuning in to this week's unsung re for tuning in to this week's unsung re for tuning in to this week's unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love to podcast don't be shy we'd love to podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out uncie Maneri inbox you connect check out uncie Maneri inbox you connect check out uncie Maneri inbox you can sign up at unsummon re calm and can sign up at unsummon re calm and can sign up at unsummon re calm and we'll send you helpful training we'll send you helpful training we'll send you helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain resources every week plus you'll gain resources every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive immediate access to our exclusive immediate access to our exclusive members area with tons of resources you members area with tons of resources you members area with tons of resources you can use connect with rich on twitter at can use connect with rich on twitter at can use connect with rich on twitter at rich birch or through email rich at rich birch or through email rich at rich birch or through email rich at unset Maneri com don't forget to check unset Maneri com don't forget to check unset Maneri com don't forget to check out the show notes for this episode at out the show notes for this episode at out the show notes for this episode at unset Maneri calm it includes links to unset Maneri calm it includes links to unset Maneri calm it includes links to what we talked about today and more

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