Brad Lomenick on Being Humble, Staying Hungry and Always Hustling

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parts I am so glad that that you've decided to spend some time that you've decided to spend some time that you've decided to spend some time uh with us today we know that you've got uh with us today we know that you've got uh with us today we know that you've got a lot going on we say this all the time a lot going on we say this all the time a lot going on we say this all the time we know you've got a lot going on at we know you've got a lot going on at we know you've got a lot going on at your church uh but it's true and we're your church uh but it's true and we're your church uh but it's true and we're just honored that you would take some just honored that you would take some just honored that you would take some time out today pop us in your earbuds time out today pop us in your earbuds time out today pop us in your earbuds and listen into today's conversation uh and listen into today's conversation uh and listen into today's conversation uh I'm really honored to have today's guest I'm really honored to have today's guest I'm really honored to have today's guest Brad lomic with us Brad's a fantastic Brad lomic with us Brad's a fantastic Brad lomic with us Brad's a fantastic leader he's one of those guys that knows leader he's one of those guys that knows leader he's one of those guys that knows everybody so you can't ever seem to get everybody so you can't ever seem to get everybody so you can't ever seem to get away from him he spent 12 years leading away from him he spent 12 years leading away from him he spent 12 years leading the Catalyst movement which you may be the Catalyst movement which you may be the Catalyst movement which you may be familiar with the Catalyst conference or familiar with the Catalyst conference or familiar with the Catalyst conference or Catalyst one day really really a Catalyst one day really really a Catalyst one day really really a movement of of in leaders uh currently movement of of in leaders uh currently movement of of in leaders uh currently he's a founder of an organization called

he's a founder of an organization called he's a founder of an organization called blink he's a leadership consultant blink he's a leadership consultant blink he's a leadership consultant speaker he's an author of a great book speaker he's an author of a great book speaker he's an author of a great book that I want to make sure you uh learn a that I want to make sure you uh learn a that I want to make sure you uh learn a little bit more about it but about it little bit more about it but about it little bit more about it but about it but Brad welcome to the show thank you but Brad welcome to the show thank you but Brad welcome to the show thank you Rich awesome to be on man and I'm so Rich awesome to be on man and I'm so Rich awesome to be on man and I'm so glad I'm a I'm a first time caller but glad I'm a I'm a first time caller but glad I'm a I'm a first time caller but longtime listener so nice that's great longtime listener so nice that's great longtime listener so nice that's great well here we are spinning the stacks of well here we are spinning the stacks of well here we are spinning the stacks of wax takest from bread if you if you have wax takest from bread if you if you have wax takest from bread if you if you have a second life if you want a alternate a second life if you want a alternate a second life if you want a alternate career you could be a radio host telling career you could be a radio host telling career you could be a radio host telling you fun you got you got the voice for it you fun you got you got the voice for it you fun you got you got the voice for it oh nice I got the face for it too so oh nice I got the face for it too so oh nice I got the face for it too so that's a that's a good thing so listen that's a that's a good thing so listen that's a that's a good thing so listen you and I both we have we have the hair you and I both we have we have the hair you and I both we have we have the hair for it yeah absolutely well Brad uh you for it yeah absolutely well Brad uh you for it yeah absolutely well Brad uh you know why don't why don't you kind of know why don't why don't you kind of know why don't why don't you kind of give people the the Brad story you know give people the the Brad story you know give people the the Brad story you know I know that's really hard but kind of I know that's really hard but kind of I know that's really hard but kind of compress down what you know give us a compress down what you know give us a compress down what you know give us a bit of your background tell us a little bit of your background tell us a little bit of your background tell us a little bit about um you know who you are yeah bit about um you know who you are yeah bit about um you know who you are yeah Oklahoma born grew up outside of Tulsa Oklahoma born grew up outside of Tulsa Oklahoma born grew up outside of Tulsa little town called Bristo went to school little town called Bristo went to school little town called Bristo went to school at University of Oklahoma so uh we are at University of Oklahoma so uh we are at University of Oklahoma so uh we are the only team this year in the college the only team this year in the college the only team this year in the college athletic world that got two teams into athletic world that got two teams into athletic world that got two teams into the into the final four now we didn't do the into the final four now we didn't do the into the final four now we didn't do we didn't do much once we got there but we didn't do much once we got there but we didn't do much once we got there but football and basketball we both had football and basketball we both had football and basketball we both had amazing teams in the final four so you amazing teams in the final four so you amazing teams in the final four so you know like Hey we're this little Outpost know like Hey we're this little Outpost know like Hey we're this little Outpost in the middle of in the middle of in the middle of in the middle of in the middle of in the middle of nowhere University of Oklahoma that's nowhere University of Oklahoma that's nowhere University of Oklahoma that's doing great things um nice but I I I was doing great things um nice but I I I was doing great things um nice but I I I was a history major in college and which is a history major in college and which is a history major in college and which is pretty much worthless well yeah I was pretty much worthless well yeah I was pretty much worthless well yeah I was gonna say you use that every day in your gonna say you use that every day in your gonna say you use that every day in your in your in your yeah yeah I think I was in your in your yeah yeah I think I was in your in your yeah yeah I think I was just anti everything else so I just just anti everything else so I just just anti everything else so I just decided that I could you know I liked decided that I could you know I liked decided that I could you know I liked history but um I I graduated thought I history but um I I graduated thought I history but um I I graduated thought I was going to go to law school and then was going to go to law school and then was going to go to law school and then went and spent Five Years on a on a

went and spent Five Years on a on a went and spent Five Years on a on a ranch in Colorado and and that was like ranch in Colorado and and that was like ranch in Colorado and and that was like this formative years of of uh work ethic this formative years of of uh work ethic this formative years of of uh work ethic and work Theology and and getting you and work Theology and and getting you and work Theology and and getting you know understanding what the you know the know understanding what the you know the know understanding what the you know the idea of of what does it mean to actually idea of of what does it mean to actually idea of of what does it mean to actually like be in the middle of an organization like be in the middle of an organization like be in the middle of an organization and and learn how to lead and deal with and and learn how to lead and deal with and and learn how to lead and deal with people uh but it was a total like 90 Dee people uh but it was a total like 90 Dee people uh but it was a total like 90 Dee turn from what I thought got had sort of turn from what I thought got had sort of turn from what I thought got had sort of pled on my life which was to be in pled on my life which was to be in pled on my life which was to be in politics and to you know to sort of uh politics and to you know to sort of uh politics and to you know to sort of uh be in the middle of that of that world be in the middle of that of that world be in the middle of that of that world of of culture and um and so after of of culture and um and so after of of culture and um and so after working on this Ranch and riding horses working on this Ranch and riding horses working on this Ranch and riding horses and wearing Wranglers and playing and wearing Wranglers and playing and wearing Wranglers and playing playing Cowboy truly like I was a cowboy playing Cowboy truly like I was a cowboy playing Cowboy truly like I was a cowboy yes I I ended up with connecting with a yes I I ended up with connecting with a yes I I ended up with connecting with a couple of guys who were who had a small couple of guys who were who had a small couple of guys who were who had a small consulting firm and went and joined up consulting firm and went and joined up consulting firm and went and joined up with them I knew nothing about with them I knew nothing about with them I knew nothing about Consulting knew nothing about management Consulting knew nothing about management Consulting knew nothing about management stuff I was a history major and then stuff I was a history major and then stuff I was a history major and then worked on a ranch riding horses right worked on a ranch riding horses right worked on a ranch riding horses right there's a logical connection there there's a logical connection there there's a logical connection there between that exactly yeah and one of our between that exactly yeah and one of our between that exactly yeah and one of our clients at the time this was like you clients at the time this was like you clients at the time this was like you know the late 90s one of our clients was know the late 90s one of our clients was know the late 90s one of our clients was an organization called enjoy which if an organization called enjoy which if an organization called enjoy which if anybody follows John Maxwell they know anybody follows John Maxwell they know anybody follows John Maxwell they know that that was you know his original that that was you know his original that that was you know his original organization and so I got involved with organization and so I got involved with organization and so I got involved with with John and just the more I got with John and just the more I got with John and just the more I got connected into that world first as a connected into that world first as a connected into that world first as a consultant then second as a you know consultant then second as a you know consultant then second as a you know sort of uh much more involved free agent sort of uh much more involved free agent sort of uh much more involved free agent and then third as a full-time employee and then third as a full-time employee and then third as a full-time employee um I got connected with Catalyst and um I got connected with Catalyst and um I got connected with Catalyst and with all of the events and somal cast with all of the events and somal cast with all of the events and somal cast and Leadership stuff John was doing and

and Leadership stuff John was doing and and Leadership stuff John was doing and so really my teeth have been cut for the so really my teeth have been cut for the so really my teeth have been cut for the last 16 years 17 years on being around last 16 years 17 years on being around last 16 years 17 years on being around the organization that John created and the organization that John created and the organization that John created and there's been several manifestations of there's been several manifestations of there's been several manifestations of that and there's been lots of uh that and there's been lots of uh that and there's been lots of uh different you know expressions of it but different you know expressions of it but different you know expressions of it but um I feel like my you know my leadership um I feel like my you know my leadership um I feel like my you know my leadership Heritage and the things I've learned Heritage and the things I've learned Heritage and the things I've learned about leadership have been really about leadership have been really about leadership have been really swimming in the in the pool and being in swimming in the in the pool and being in swimming in the in the pool and being in the slipstream of John Maxwell and so the slipstream of John Maxwell and so the slipstream of John Maxwell and so obviously Catalyst for me was a huge obviously Catalyst for me was a huge obviously Catalyst for me was a huge part of that story and uh the last year part of that story and uh the last year part of that story and uh the last year and a half we can talk more about this and a half we can talk more about this and a half we can talk more about this but you know I stepped out of out of but you know I stepped out of out of but you know I stepped out of out of leading Catalyst and now uh now I'm I'm leading Catalyst and now uh now I'm I'm leading Catalyst and now uh now I'm I'm basically unemployed that's what I tell basically unemployed that's what I tell basically unemployed that's what I tell people I don't really have a job um people I don't really have a job um people I don't really have a job um although I I did you know I have my own although I I did you know I have my own although I I did you know I have my own little thing and I do a lot of advising little thing and I do a lot of advising little thing and I do a lot of advising and Consulting and uh it's great you and Consulting and uh it's great you and Consulting and uh it's great you know Atlanta's home Passion City Church know Atlanta's home Passion City Church know Atlanta's home Passion City Church is is home church so I spent a lot of is is home church so I spent a lot of is is home church so I spent a lot of time and energy and bandwidth and uh a time and energy and bandwidth and uh a time and energy and bandwidth and uh a lot of my sort of emotional and lot of my sort of emotional and lot of my sort of emotional and spiritual capital is invested well a lot spiritual capital is invested well a lot spiritual capital is invested well a lot of my spiritual capital is invested in of my spiritual capital is invested in of my spiritual capital is invested in the house of Passion City Church and so the house of Passion City Church and so the house of Passion City Church and so that's a that's you know obviously a that's a that's you know obviously a that's a that's you know obviously a really small movement uh the passion really small movement uh the passion really small movement uh the passion conferences and passion you know they're conferences and passion you know they're conferences and passion you know they're not doing not doing not doing anything so I get you know I get to play anything so I get you know I get to play anything so I get you know I get to play in lots of different uh sand boxes I'm in lots of different uh sand boxes I'm in lots of different uh sand boxes I'm not married I'm the most eligible not married I'm the most eligible not married I'm the most eligible bachelor in all of Christianity nice bachelor in all of Christianity nice bachelor in all of Christianity nice great so check out Brad lin.com if great so check out Brad lin.com if great so check out Brad lin.com if you're you're interested I feel like I you're you're interested I feel like I you're you're interested I feel like I should be like the spokesperson for should be like the spokesperson for should be like the spokesperson for e-harmony e-harmony e-harmony you know like I'm that guy you're that

you know like I'm that guy you're that you know like I'm that guy you're that guy nice so yeah but I'm I'm I'm fully guy nice so yeah but I'm I'm I'm fully guy nice so yeah but I'm I'm I'm fully as Craig relle would always say at the as Craig relle would always say at the as Craig relle would always say at the Callis one days like he actually is is Callis one days like he actually is is Callis one days like he actually is is employable he doesn't live at home with employable he doesn't live at home with employable he doesn't live at home with his parents he right he's a he's a his parents he right he's a he's a his parents he right he's a he's a normal person right you know it just normal person right you know it just normal person right you know it just never happened for me so it's given me a never happened for me so it's given me a never happened for me so it's given me a lot of opportunities to do other things lot of opportunities to do other things lot of opportunities to do other things in life but uh yeah that's that's that's in life but uh yeah that's that's that's in life but uh yeah that's that's that's my reader dis version no I really my reader dis version no I really my reader dis version no I really appreciate that Brad I you know I as appreciate that Brad I you know I as appreciate that Brad I you know I as someone who's benefited you know before someone who's benefited you know before someone who's benefited you know before I knew you has benefited from your I knew you has benefited from your I knew you has benefited from your ministry through Catalyst I just say ministry through Catalyst I just say ministry through Catalyst I just say thank you for your you know years of thank you for your you know years of thank you for your you know years of leadership you know just incredibly leadership you know just incredibly leadership you know just incredibly influential um I'm just you know so influential um I'm just you know so influential um I'm just you know so thankful for this you get a kick out of thankful for this you get a kick out of thankful for this you get a kick out of this a couple years ago oh this was this a couple years ago oh this was this a couple years ago oh this was probably five years ago now I I was at probably five years ago now I I was at probably five years ago now I I was at Catalyst and um this guy stops me I'm Catalyst and um this guy stops me I'm Catalyst and um this guy stops me I'm just and I'm just there I'm just an just and I'm just there I'm just an just and I'm just there I'm just an attendee right I got my bag I'm walking attendee right I got my bag I'm walking attendee right I got my bag I'm walking around or whatever checking out the around or whatever checking out the around or whatever checking out the vendors and and uh this guy stops me say vendors and and uh this guy stops me say vendors and and uh this guy stops me say hey wait a second wait wait a second can hey wait a second wait wait a second can hey wait a second wait wait a second can I take take your picture and and I said I take take your picture and and I said I take take your picture and and I said uh what no no no you just stand there uh what no no no you just stand there uh what no no no you just stand there just I'll tell you in a minute why can I just I'll tell you in a minute why can I just I'll tell you in a minute why can I take your picture and I'm like okay sure take your picture and I'm like okay sure take your picture and I'm like okay sure and he takes my picture and then I said and he takes my picture and then I said and he takes my picture and then I said why why did you take my picture he said why why did you take my picture he said why why did you take my picture he said well my wife was asking who's attending well my wife was asking who's attending well my wife was asking who's attending Catalyst what's the kind of person that Catalyst what's the kind of person that Catalyst what's the kind of person that attends Catalyst and so I saw you you attends Catalyst and so I saw you you attends Catalyst and so I saw you you know and you're the guy you're the know and you're the guy you're the know and you're the guy you're the person that attends it I was like oh I person that attends it I was like oh I person that attends it I was like oh I think that's a compliment you know think that's a compliment you know think that's a compliment you know you're you're the poster boy I know I you're you're the poster boy I know I you're you're the poster boy I know I was like oh wow okay I I I don't know if was like oh wow okay I I I don't know if was like oh wow okay I I I don't know if that's well you probably had your cool that's well you probably had your cool that's well you probably had your cool bag you you know you that was you know bag you you know you that was you know bag you you know you that was you know some thatd or whatever yeah had a triple some thatd or whatever yeah had a triple some thatd or whatever yeah had a triple bottom line cause tied to it and you had bottom line cause tied to it and you had bottom line cause tied to it and you had your you know you had your hipster

your you know you had your hipster your you know you had your hipster glasses on and you know your uh you I I glasses on and you know your uh you I I glasses on and you know your uh you I I like to call what my style Rich you'll like to call what my style Rich you'll like to call what my style Rich you'll appreciate this because you you and I appreciate this because you you and I appreciate this because you you and I probably are the same level of style probably are the same level of style probably are the same level of style which is it's the classic hipster yes which is it's the classic hipster yes which is it's the classic hipster yes that's what I want to be I want to be that's what I want to be I want to be that's what I want to be I want to be the classic hipster nice not I'm not the classic hipster nice not I'm not the classic hipster nice not I'm not trying too hard but right but I can you trying too hard but right but I can you trying too hard but right but I can you know I can still run with the big boys know I can still run with the big boys know I can still run with the big boys as it relates to Fashion yeah just can't as it relates to Fashion yeah just can't as it relates to Fashion yeah just can't have the beard that's the problem Yeah have the beard that's the problem Yeah have the beard that's the problem Yeah well yeah that's that's true me too yeah well yeah that's that's true me too yeah well yeah that's that's true me too yeah nice well you know what I thought would nice well you know what I thought would nice well you know what I thought would kind of interesting you know you've been kind of interesting you know you've been kind of interesting you know you've been on the you know on the development side on the you know on the development side on the you know on the development side of of organizing a lot of events um and of of organizing a lot of events um and of of organizing a lot of events um and you know and still really do a bunch of you know and still really do a bunch of you know and still really do a bunch of that um work which is great and you know that um work which is great and you know that um work which is great and you know a lot of people that listen in uh we're a lot of people that listen in uh we're a lot of people that listen in uh we're consumers of those those kinds of consumers of those those kinds of consumers of those those kinds of experiences as someone that leads those experiences as someone that leads those experiences as someone that leads those type of events what would you say are type of events what would you say are type of events what would you say are some best practices of kind of getting some best practices of kind of getting some best practices of kind of getting the most out of them you know we invest the most out of them you know we invest the most out of them you know we invest a lot of time F energy money uh to go to a lot of time F energy money uh to go to a lot of time F energy money uh to go to these kind of things how do we you know these kind of things how do we you know these kind of things how do we you know extract the most out of them for our extract the most out of them for our extract the most out of them for our ministry and for us personally great ministry and for us personally great ministry and for us personally great question F first would be this yeah go question F first would be this yeah go question F first would be this yeah go go with go with your team and I don't I go with go with your team and I don't I go with go with your team and I don't I don't say that now um as a card carrying don't say that now um as a card carrying don't say that now um as a card carrying Catalyst person that's trying to get Catalyst person that's trying to get Catalyst person that's trying to get more registrations I I truly say that as more registrations I I truly say that as more registrations I I truly say that as a as a as a you know somebody who a as a as a you know somebody who a as a as a you know somebody who produced and now consumes conferences produced and now consumes conferences produced and now consumes conferences like the best way to experience it is like the best way to experience it is like the best way to experience it is with other people and uh your team the with other people and uh your team the with other people and uh your team the the shared experience many times is what the shared experience many times is what the shared experience many times is what you bring back that has the most value you bring back that has the most value you bring back that has the most value and is the most memorable most people and is the most memorable most people and is the most memorable most people don't remember like who spoke or you don't remember like who spoke or you don't remember like who spoke or you know what what thing happened but they know what what thing happened but they know what what thing happened but they do remember the conversations that's do remember the conversations that's do remember the conversations that's very true that are occurring in the in very true that are occurring in the in very true that are occurring in the in the in the van or you know in the rental

the in the van or you know in the rental the in the van or you know in the rental car or on the plane ride back or at car or on the plane ride back or at car or on the plane ride back or at dinner that night so that one's huge um dinner that night so that one's huge um dinner that night so that one's huge um the second one would be would be figure the second one would be would be figure the second one would be would be figure out like who have a have a list going out like who have a have a list going out like who have a have a list going into going into the event or conference into going into the event or conference into going into the event or conference or gathering of who do you want to meet or gathering of who do you want to meet or gathering of who do you want to meet and that could be everybody from I want and that could be everybody from I want and that could be everybody from I want to meet you know that speaker or I want to meet you know that speaker or I want to meet you know that speaker or I want meet this person from this church or meet this person from this church or meet this person from this church or whatever or the other church I want to whatever or the other church I want to whatever or the other church I want to meet that other executive Pastor I want meet that other executive Pastor I want meet that other executive Pastor I want to meet that worship leader and to meet that worship leader and to meet that worship leader and sometimes it's um sometimes we go into sometimes it's um sometimes we go into sometimes it's um sometimes we go into it going I just want to meet everybody it going I just want to meet everybody it going I just want to meet everybody and then we meet nobody because right and then we meet nobody because right and then we meet nobody because right because we don't we didn't really have because we don't we didn't really have because we don't we didn't really have like a set sense of what would what like a set sense of what would what like a set sense of what would what would success look like so figure out would success look like so figure out would success look like so figure out who you want to meet um and then um look who you want to meet um and then um look who you want to meet um and then um look for for for opportunities to to build community and opportunities to to build community and opportunities to to build community and what I mean by that is is is find those what I mean by that is is is find those what I mean by that is is is find those ways that you're both adding value to ways that you're both adding value to ways that you're both adding value to other people yep as well as building other people yep as well as building other people yep as well as building your own infrastructure and you know your own infrastructure and you know your own infrastructure and you know that could be simply walking as you said that could be simply walking as you said that could be simply walking as you said you were walking around looking at the you were walking around looking at the you were walking around looking at the booths and yeah organizations there well booths and yeah organizations there well booths and yeah organizations there well like don't just walk around and look at like don't just walk around and look at like don't just walk around and look at those like actually have a yeah talk those like actually have a yeah talk those like actually have a yeah talk with them uh they are so hungry to with them uh they are so hungry to with them uh they are so hungry to actually connect with people um and i' actually connect with people um and i' actually connect with people um and i' I've I've talked to people who said yeah I've I've talked to people who said yeah I've I've talked to people who said yeah like I talked to that publisher that was like I talked to that publisher that was like I talked to that publisher that was at catalyst at their booth and they at catalyst at their booth and they at catalyst at their booth and they connected me with an editor and now a connected me with an editor and now a connected me with an editor and now a sudden I got a book deal right right sudden I got a book deal right right sudden I got a book deal right right because I was just walking around like because I was just walking around like because I was just walking around like right paying attention to people who are right paying attention to people who are right paying attention to people who are were there and what things like Catalyst

were there and what things like Catalyst were there and what things like Catalyst things like Leadership Summit um things things like Leadership Summit um things things like Leadership Summit um things like you know uh any other event you put like you know uh any other event you put like you know uh any other event you put in there yeah orange conference whatever in there yeah orange conference whatever in there yeah orange conference whatever orange conference the the the people who orange conference the the the people who orange conference the the the people who show up are actually leading and trying show up are actually leading and trying show up are actually leading and trying to get better so you've got this to get better so you've got this to get better so you've got this collected uh really energy of a lot of collected uh really energy of a lot of collected uh really energy of a lot of like really high level people that you like really high level people that you like really high level people that you that's the best thing you can take away that's the best thing you can take away that's the best thing you can take away absolutely that sense of how how are how absolutely that sense of how how are how absolutely that sense of how how are how how am I adding to you are you adding to how am I adding to you are you adding to how am I adding to you are you adding to me and obviously the the sessions are me and obviously the the sessions are me and obviously the the sessions are great you know the the speakers the great you know the the speakers the great you know the the speakers the bands The Experience program all that bands The Experience program all that bands The Experience program all that but that's not what that's not what is but that's not what that's not what is but that's not what that's not what is the most um it's it's that's not the the most um it's it's that's not the the most um it's it's that's not the most authentic slash um available to you most authentic slash um available to you most authentic slash um available to you in the sense of only what you can take in the sense of only what you can take in the sense of only what you can take away like you can go buy the DVD sets away like you can go buy the DVD sets away like you can go buy the DVD sets right or watch online right all the right or watch online right all the right or watch online right all the content right content is a commodity now content right content is a commodity now content right content is a commodity now I mean um so conversations uh Community I mean um so conversations uh Community I mean um so conversations uh Community connections th those are the things that connections th those are the things that connections th those are the things that that you have to lean into and actually that you have to lean into and actually that you have to lean into and actually make sure you get out of something like make sure you get out of something like make sure you get out of something like that oh it's so true you know I remember that oh it's so true you know I remember that oh it's so true you know I remember years ago um mutual friend car newoff I years ago um mutual friend car newoff I years ago um mutual friend car newoff I worked for him for a little bit we went worked for him for a little bit we went worked for him for a little bit we went to a conference together and we had a to a conference together and we had a to a conference together and we had a team of people that we took and it I team of people that we took and it I team of people that we took and it I still remember I can't it was literally still remember I can't it was literally still remember I can't it was literally that experience I can't remember what that experience I can't remember what that experience I can't remember what you know insert brand name Pastor said you know insert brand name Pastor said you know insert brand name Pastor said that morning but that night I still that morning but that night I still that morning but that night I still remember we went out for frozen yogurt remember we went out for frozen yogurt remember we went out for frozen yogurt and it was just our team around the

and it was just our team around the and it was just our team around the circle and and it was a really tender circle and and it was a really tender circle and and it was a really tender conversation and I still like yeah like conversation and I still like yeah like conversation and I still like yeah like that that sticks with you right those that that sticks with you right those that that sticks with you right those experiences stick with you and then the experiences stick with you and then the experiences stick with you and then the same I've said to other folks you know same I've said to other folks you know same I've said to other folks you know you sit down at a at a you even in a you sit down at a at a you even in a you sit down at a at a you even in a catalyst you know you thousands of catalyst you know you thousands of catalyst you know you thousands of people you're going to end up in a row people you're going to end up in a row people you're going to end up in a row besides some people you don't know like besides some people you don't know like besides some people you don't know like and you're probably going to be there and you're probably going to be there and you're probably going to be there early cuz you're got nothing else to do early cuz you're got nothing else to do early cuz you're got nothing else to do so say hi to them like hey tell me about so say hi to them like hey tell me about so say hi to them like hey tell me about you know who you are and you'd be amaz you know who you are and you'd be amaz you know who you are and you'd be amaz the people you run into and you're like the people you run into and you're like the people you run into and you're like wow like that's incredible like you're wow like that's incredible like you're wow like that's incredible like you're just sitting here beside me um you know just sitting here beside me um you know just sitting here beside me um you know for sure and I think that the the lesson for sure and I think that the the lesson for sure and I think that the the lesson is is is if you're going to spend the is is is if you're going to spend the is is is if you're going to spend the dollars and the energy to get there then dollars and the energy to get there then dollars and the energy to get there then then put in the energy to actually then put in the energy to actually then put in the energy to actually create your own experience yeah create your own experience yeah create your own experience yeah definitely and I mean you have to like definitely and I mean you have to like definitely and I mean you have to like truly like look at this as I'm going to truly like look at this as I'm going to truly like look at this as I'm going to go make my experience go make my experience go make my experience better than if I was just to sit back better than if I was just to sit back better than if I was just to sit back and go okay I'm here now Catalyst or and go okay I'm here now Catalyst or and go okay I'm here now Catalyst or orange or leadership some that you you orange or leadership some that you you orange or leadership some that you you entertain me yeah do something to me entertain me yeah do something to me entertain me yeah do something to me yeah you connect me and and Conference yeah you connect me and and Conference yeah you connect me and and Conference people anybody that puts on events the people anybody that puts on events the people anybody that puts on events the greatest pain point that most conference greatest pain point that most conference greatest pain point that most conference uh organizers feel is that I'm not uh organizers feel is that I'm not uh organizers feel is that I'm not actually connecting people like I'm not actually connecting people like I'm not actually connecting people like I'm not actually creating Community even though actually creating Community even though actually creating Community even though you'll talk about it and it's it's looks you'll talk about it and it's it's looks you'll talk about it and it's it's looks good on a marketing brochure Mo most good on a marketing brochure Mo most good on a marketing brochure Mo most conferences are are awful at creating conferences are are awful at creating conferences are are awful at creating Community because you're you're the Community because you're you're the Community because you're you're the easiest thing to do as a conference easiest thing to do as a conference easiest thing to do as a conference organizer is to produce content right organizer is to produce content right organizer is to produce content right like that that is the thing that is the like that that is the thing that is the like that that is the thing that is the lowest barrier to entry so you know it's lowest barrier to entry so you know it's lowest barrier to entry so you know it's up to you many times as the as the

up to you many times as the as the up to you many times as the as the attendee to actually like put more attendee to actually like put more attendee to actually like put more energy into creating your own sense of energy into creating your own sense of energy into creating your own sense of my shared customized experience that I my shared customized experience that I my shared customized experience that I walk away and go wow like I meet I met walk away and go wow like I meet I met walk away and go wow like I meet I met five people who are going to be friends five people who are going to be friends five people who are going to be friends now for the next 10 years and I'm going now for the next 10 years and I'm going now for the next 10 years and I'm going to be able to learn from and right so to be able to learn from and right so to be able to learn from and right so that's that's crucial yeah when you were that's that's crucial yeah when you were that's that's crucial yeah when you were you know producing Catalyst in the early you know producing Catalyst in the early you know producing Catalyst in the early days it's it seems like you led the way days it's it seems like you led the way days it's it seems like you led the way at least in the Christian Market in the at least in the Christian Market in the at least in the Christian Market in the you know there was there was obviously you know there was there was obviously you know there was there was obviously the M you got music you got speakers the M you got music you got speakers the M you got music you got speakers there was kind of the what stuff you there was kind of the what stuff you there was kind of the what stuff you would say is typical programming but would say is typical programming but would say is typical programming but then you know at least Catalyst was the then you know at least Catalyst was the then you know at least Catalyst was the first place I'd been where there was first place I'd been where there was first place I'd been where there was like games in the lobby and like goofy like games in the lobby and like goofy like games in the lobby and like goofy stuff going on out in front of the you stuff going on out in front of the you stuff going on out in front of the you know the arena was that what a part of know the arena was that what a part of know the arena was that what a part of what was driving some of that thinking what was driving some of that thinking what was driving some of that thinking like we got to get people kind of doing like we got to get people kind of doing like we got to get people kind of doing stuff active together was that what was stuff active together was that what was stuff active together was that what was going on there yes yes uh for sure I going on there yes yes uh for sure I going on there yes yes uh for sure I mean Lou Lou Giglio would always say he mean Lou Lou Giglio would always say he mean Lou Lou Giglio would always say he would say I know if I'm at Catalyst if would say I know if I'm at Catalyst if would say I know if I'm at Catalyst if there's if there's a a clown walking there's if there's a a clown walking there's if there's a a clown walking around on stilts in the front front around on stilts in the front front around on stilts in the front front parking lot yeah and there's some kind parking lot yeah and there's some kind parking lot yeah and there's some kind of animal in the back parking lot true of animal in the back parking lot true of animal in the back parking lot true that's I knew I was a catalyst if that that's I knew I was a catalyst if that that's I knew I was a catalyst if that was happen no that's very true the was happen no that's very true the was happen no that's very true the reason for that was was a couple things reason for that was was a couple things reason for that was was a couple things one we wanted to create margin okay and one we wanted to create margin okay and one we wanted to create margin okay and because CU we know as as leaders and as because CU we know as as leaders and as because CU we know as as leaders and as as conference people we had watched as conference people we had watched as conference people we had watched other events um when you have margin in other events um when you have margin in other events um when you have margin in the program you're able to actually uh the program you're able to actually uh the program you're able to actually uh retain more knowledge and content retain more knowledge and content retain more knowledge and content because you're giving your brain the because you're giving your brain the because you're giving your brain the opportunity to be opportunity to be opportunity to be amused um and you know this like a lot

amused um and you know this like a lot amused um and you know this like a lot of events you go to it's just like of events you go to it's just like of events you go to it's just like serious serious serious serious serious serious serious serious serious serious serious serious serious serious serious serious serious most important topic serious serious most important topic serious serious most important topic you've you've you've ever at some point you just go stop like ever at some point you just go stop like ever at some point you just go stop like I'm done I can't take anymore so we I'm done I can't take anymore so we I'm done I can't take anymore so we wanted to create those margin moments wanted to create those margin moments wanted to create those margin moments because it actually helps you because it actually helps you because it actually helps you retain better secondly it's it's just retain better secondly it's it's just retain better secondly it's it's just more fun I mean why why why are we more fun I mean why why why are we more fun I mean why why why are we getting rid of of of humor of fun of getting rid of of of humor of fun of getting rid of of of humor of fun of experiences and shared experiences um experiences and shared experiences um experiences and shared experiences um breaking World Records having you know breaking World Records having you know breaking World Records having you know games in the lobby like creating an games in the lobby like creating an games in the lobby like creating an environment where people are actually environment where people are actually environment where people are actually doing something as a row or as a as a doing something as a row or as a as a doing something as a row or as a as a room um you know the idea that there's room um you know the idea that there's room um you know the idea that there's funny like we we were always priding funny like we we were always priding funny like we we were always priding oursel on oursel on oursel on let's let's make sure we have elements let's let's make sure we have elements let's let's make sure we have elements of humor yes right because humor is of humor yes right because humor is of humor yes right because humor is giving it's it's actually creating giving it's it's actually creating giving it's it's actually creating margin but here's what it also does Rich margin but here's what it also does Rich margin but here's what it also does Rich which this is so important to us was which this is so important to us was which this is so important to us was that we were pulling we were we were that we were pulling we were we were that we were pulling we were we were taking away any sense at an event like taking away any sense at an event like taking away any sense at an event like Catalyst that that there was there was Catalyst that that there was there was Catalyst that that there was there was somebody in the room who was more somebody in the room who was more somebody in the room who was more important than somebody else oh yes important than somebody else oh yes important than somebody else oh yes equalizer speakers the the bands the equalizer speakers the the bands the equalizer speakers the the bands the people on stage like we were int people on stage like we were int people on stage like we were int not about making F of them it was not not about making F of them it was not not about making F of them it was not about making F of them it was showing about making F of them it was showing about making F of them it was showing everybody every other leader in the room everybody every other leader in the room everybody every other leader in the room you know what like Andy Stanley is you know what like Andy Stanley is you know what like Andy Stanley is willing to be made fun of right we can willing to be made fun of right we can willing to be made fun of right we can make a video of Andy and show like these make a video of Andy and show like these make a video of Andy and show like these highlights where he's he's you know it's highlights where he's he's you know it's highlights where he's he's you know it's not the best of Andy because everybody

not the best of Andy because everybody not the best of Andy because everybody goes wow like Andy is pretty cool like I goes wow like Andy is pretty cool like I goes wow like Andy is pretty cool like I don't know Andy but he's down to earth don't know Andy but he's down to earth don't know Andy but he's down to earth like he let those guys like you know like he let those guys like you know like he let those guys like you know create a video that makes fun of him create a video that makes fun of him create a video that makes fun of him that yes that says something to leaders that yes that says something to leaders that yes that says something to leaders that says well maybe I shouldn't take that says well maybe I shouldn't take that says well maybe I shouldn't take myself so seriously right exactly maybe myself so seriously right exactly maybe myself so seriously right exactly maybe I'm not that big of a deal yeah you know I'm not that big of a deal yeah you know I'm not that big of a deal yeah you know it was interesting even at our church it was interesting even at our church it was interesting even at our church we've done we found a fair amount of we've done we found a fair amount of we've done we found a fair amount of power in that kind of we call it foyer power in that kind of we call it foyer power in that kind of we call it foyer fun moments where we're trying to find fun moments where we're trying to find fun moments where we're trying to find ways like that yeah to kind of move our ways like that yeah to kind of move our ways like that yeah to kind of move our experiences out into the foyer and and experiences out into the foyer and and experiences out into the foyer and and the thing I the way I've described it the thing I the way I've described it the thing I the way I've described it for our own team is we want to speed for our own team is we want to speed for our own team is we want to speed bump as people come and go that we want bump as people come and go that we want bump as people come and go that we want to deliberately slow people down we want to deliberately slow people down we want to deliberately slow people down we want to be inefficient and so you know we've to be inefficient and so you know we've to be inefficient and so you know we've done all kinds of crazy stuff we did um done all kinds of crazy stuff we did um done all kinds of crazy stuff we did um this last Christmas we did a whole Star this last Christmas we did a whole Star this last Christmas we did a whole Star Wars theme thing which I thought every Wars theme thing which I thought every Wars theme thing which I thought every Church in the country was going to do Church in the country was going to do Church in the country was going to do but but people didn't um and so we had but but people didn't um and so we had but but people didn't um and so we had like Darth Vader one week in the you like Darth Vader one week in the you like Darth Vader one week in the you know foyers we had you know Chewbacca we know foyers we had you know Chewbacca we know foyers we had you know Chewbacca we you know we spent all this money on you know we spent all this money on you know we spent all this money on costumes and they and it was just there costumes and they and it was just there costumes and they and it was just there were fun moments or we did years ago we were fun moments or we did years ago we were fun moments or we did years ago we did a series on Jonah called Big Fish um did a series on Jonah called Big Fish um did a series on Jonah called Big Fish um and we we bought these the largest and we we bought these the largest and we we bought these the largest catfish we could find like these big 20 catfish we could find like these big 20 catfish we could find like these big 20 lb you know 30 lb catfish and had a lb you know 30 lb catfish and had a lb you know 30 lb catfish and had a photo booth where we were saying hey photo booth where we were saying hey photo booth where we were saying hey come get your picture taken with these come get your picture taken with these come get your picture taken with these massive catfish and it's just a fun you massive catfish and it's just a fun you massive catfish and it's just a fun you know and really just it's you know know and really just it's you know know and really just it's you know trying to learn off of events like trying to learn off of events like trying to learn off of events like Catalyst and other you know experiences Catalyst and other you know experiences Catalyst and other you know experiences like that trying to slow people down hey like that trying to slow people down hey like that trying to slow people down hey like it's okay let's have some fun let's like it's okay let's have some fun let's like it's okay let's have some fun let's um you know hopefully reinforce where um you know hopefully reinforce where um you know hopefully reinforce where we're going today that it's you know you we're going today that it's you know you we're going today that it's you know you don't have to wait until they're sitting don't have to wait until they're sitting don't have to wait until they're sitting down and the count and the countdown down and the count and the countdown down and the count and the countdown clock is done um to you know jump into clock is done um to you know jump into clock is done um to you know jump into the experience for sure I I think for

the experience for sure I I think for the experience for sure I I think for you know for leaders listening and you know for leaders listening and you know for leaders listening and watching are they watching this or they watching are they watching this or they watching are they watching this or they just listen yeah some people watch yeah just listen yeah some people watch yeah just listen yeah some people watch yeah okay uh but I think you know that what okay uh but I think you know that what okay uh but I think you know that what you want to always think is if the more you want to always think is if the more you want to always think is if the more serious we have to go in a sense the serious we have to go in a sense the serious we have to go in a sense the more deep we're going to dive um the the more deep we're going to dive um the the more deep we're going to dive um the the more willing you have to be to let more willing you have to be to let more willing you have to be to let people have time to breathe and have people have time to breathe and have people have time to breathe and have moments have moments of margin and um moments have moments of margin and um moments have moments of margin and um sometimes we think just the opposite sometimes we think just the opposite sometimes we think just the opposite like the more serious it is the the less like the more serious it is the the less like the more serious it is the the less we have to create humor and I would say we have to create humor and I would say we have to create humor and I would say just the opposite like you know because just the opposite like you know because just the opposite like you know because people people want to see that you're people people want to see that you're people people want to see that you're again you're real you're personal you're again you're real you're personal you're again you're real you're personal you're human you're authentic you're human you're authentic you're human you're authentic you're approachable You're vulnerable like all approachable You're vulnerable like all approachable You're vulnerable like all those things are are that's the pain those things are are that's the pain those things are are that's the pain point that people are looking for or at point that people are looking for or at point that people are looking for or at least they're they're experiencing is least they're they're experiencing is least they're they're experiencing is man if you're going to tell me something man if you're going to tell me something man if you're going to tell me something that's really deep and heavy I just want that's really deep and heavy I just want that's really deep and heavy I just want to know that like you care about me and to know that like you care about me and to know that like you care about me and that you you you know me enough to you that you you you know me enough to you that you you you know me enough to you know allow me to like have some fun and know allow me to like have some fun and know allow me to like have some fun and yeah because that that's that's the yeah because that that's that's the yeah because that that's that's the essence of life like no nobody lives a essence of life like no nobody lives a essence of life like no nobody lives a boring mundane serious life yeah boring mundane serious life yeah boring mundane serious life yeah definitely now you know when I first definitely now you know when I first definitely now you know when I first heard you stepped away from from heard you stepped away from from heard you stepped away from from Catalyst I was like oo what's going on Catalyst I was like oo what's going on Catalyst I was like oo what's going on right what's the real story what's the right what's the real story what's the right what's the real story what's the real story um and you know I you ended real story um and you know I you ended real story um and you know I you ended up writing a book that kind of talked up writing a book that kind of talked up writing a book that kind of talked about the hinge of that called H3 about the hinge of that called H3 about the hinge of that called H3 leadership but I wonder kind if you give leadership but I wonder kind if you give leadership but I wonder kind if you give us a bit of your your thinking behind us a bit of your your thinking behind us a bit of your your thinking behind that I think for a lot of people um and that I think for a lot of people um and that I think for a lot of people um and I so I'm importing now what people may I so I'm importing now what people may I so I'm importing now what people may think but you know they they look at a

think but you know they they look at a think but you know they they look at a guy like Brad and say hey like top of guy like Brad and say hey like top of guy like Brad and say hey like top of his game you know super influential you his game you know super influential you his game you know super influential you know thousands of people are coming to know thousands of people are coming to know thousands of people are coming to your events a year um and in the midst your events a year um and in the midst your events a year um and in the midst of that you say you know what I think of that you say you know what I think of that you say you know what I think I'm going to tap out um I'm going to go I'm going to tap out um I'm going to go I'm going to tap out um I'm going to go do something else um going to London for do something else um going to London for do something else um going to London for six months or something you know give us six months or something you know give us six months or something you know give us what happened in that what happened in that what happened in that transition well I tell people that I transition well I tell people that I transition well I tell people that I Barry Sanders it and I I like to use Barry Sanders it and I I like to use Barry Sanders it and I I like to use Barry Sanders as a verb instead of Barry Sanders as a verb instead of Barry Sanders as a verb instead of instead of a noun I just Barry Sanders instead of a noun I just Barry Sanders instead of a noun I just Barry Sanders it I mean I I the the simple the simple it I mean I I the the simple the simple it I mean I I the the simple the simple way to say it is I wanted to I wanted to way to say it is I wanted to I wanted to way to say it is I wanted to I wanted to step out of the way and and get out of step out of the way and and get out of step out of the way and and get out of the way before people had to tell me to the way before people had to tell me to the way before people had to tell me to get out of the way and um you know I get out of the way and um you know I get out of the way and um you know I think transition and success think transition and success think transition and success and Legacy and Leadership is is so and Legacy and Leadership is is so and Legacy and Leadership is is so important and you know when when I was important and you know when when I was important and you know when when I was around in the early days of catalyst around in the early days of catalyst around in the early days of catalyst this was you know this was you know this was you know 200201 Gabe Lions was was there Gabe was 200201 Gabe Lions was was there Gabe was 200201 Gabe Lions was was there Gabe was leading Catalyst at that time and now leading Catalyst at that time and now leading Catalyst at that time and now leads q and other things and Jeff leads q and other things and Jeff leads q and other things and Jeff shinabarger and Maxwell and a like there shinabarger and Maxwell and a like there shinabarger and Maxwell and a like there was there was a circle of people and I was there was a circle of people and I was there was a circle of people and I was I was a consultant in the early days was I was a consultant in the early days was I was a consultant in the early days that and then I got involved but a lot that and then I got involved but a lot that and then I got involved but a lot of us kind of looked at each other who of us kind of looked at each other who of us kind of looked at each other who are in our late 20s MH and we we we we are in our late 20s MH and we we we we are in our late 20s MH and we we we we didn't make a pack with we didn't like didn't make a pack with we didn't like didn't make a pack with we didn't like you know sign a contract but we kind of you know sign a contract but we kind of you know sign a contract but we kind of looked at each other and said you know looked at each other and said you know looked at each other and said you know what like we're all in our late 20s if what like we're all in our late 20s if what like we're all in our late 20s if we get to 40 and we're still here and we get to 40 and we're still here and we get to 40 and we're still here and we're still like doing this somebody we're still like doing this somebody we're still like doing this somebody kick us in The Shins like somebody punch kick us in The Shins like somebody punch kick us in The Shins like somebody punch Us in the throat and tell us to move on Us in the throat and tell us to move on Us in the throat and tell us to move on right and I got to 40 yeah and I looked

right and I got to 40 yeah and I looked right and I got to 40 yeah and I looked around and was like okay um I'm still around and was like okay um I'm still around and was like okay um I'm still here I'm still here and all the all the here I'm still here and all the all the here I'm still here and all the all the other guys all the other team that was other guys all the other team that was other guys all the other team that was on the on the like execution team and on on the on the like execution team and on on the on the like execution team and on the on the original team all moved on to the on the original team all moved on to the on the original team all moved on to other things leading great other things leading great other things leading great stuff and I just felt like you know what stuff and I just felt like you know what stuff and I just felt like you know what like I need to I need to do what we said like I need to I need to do what we said like I need to I need to do what we said we were going to do and I I need to be we were going to do and I I need to be we were going to do and I I need to be that guy that hands this off and catalus that guy that hands this off and catalus that guy that hands this off and catalus has never has never and will never be has never has never and will never be has never has never and will never be about one personality um if it is about about one personality um if it is about about one personality um if it is about anybody it's about Andy Stanley right uh anybody it's about Andy Stanley right uh anybody it's about Andy Stanley right uh you know and John Maxwell in the early you know and John Maxwell in the early you know and John Maxwell in the early days but Andy Stanley most people most days but Andy Stanley most people most days but Andy Stanley most people most people don't even know who I am right people don't even know who I am right people don't even know who I am right and they don't really care like they're and they don't really care like they're and they don't really care like they're not going to not come back to catalst not going to not come back to catalst not going to not come back to catalst because which is a strength of your because which is a strength of your because which is a strength of your leadership the strength of what you leadership the strength of what you leadership the strength of what you build for sure sure yeah and that that's build for sure sure yeah and that that's build for sure sure yeah and that that's that's what we wanted to try to do was that's what we wanted to try to do was that's what we wanted to try to do was to create this thing that had that that to create this thing that had that that to create this thing that had that that was that was was that was was that was non-personality and nobody cared really non-personality and nobody cared really non-personality and nobody cared really who was behind the curtain pulling the who was behind the curtain pulling the who was behind the curtain pulling the pulling the strings um and you know the pulling the strings um and you know the pulling the strings um and you know the the thing for me too was that there were the thing for me too was that there were the thing for me too was that there were certain things Rich that I was starting certain things Rich that I was starting certain things Rich that I was starting to to have opportunities to do that only to to have opportunities to do that only to to have opportunities to do that only I could do in the sense of as the leader I could do in the sense of as the leader I could do in the sense of as the leader of catalyst like I was being giving of catalyst like I was being giving of catalyst like I was being giving being given seats at other tables and being given seats at other tables and being given seats at other tables and all of a sudden that was it wasn't all of a sudden that was it wasn't all of a sudden that was it wasn't attention but it was like man if I can attention but it was like man if I can attention but it was like man if I can only do this thing over here then only do this thing over here then only do this thing over here then shouldn't it be good leadership for me shouldn't it be good leadership for me shouldn't it be good leadership for me and good Legacy for me to start handing and good Legacy for me to start handing and good Legacy for me to start handing off the things that that someone else off the things that that someone else off the things that that someone else can do and over time it was like you can do and over time it was like you can do and over time it was like you know what 80% 75 80% of my of my callous

know what 80% 75 80% of my of my callous know what 80% 75 80% of my of my callous world of leading Catalyst was hand off world of leading Catalyst was hand off world of leading Catalyst was hand off right so why not hand that off and right right so why not hand that off and right right so why not hand that off and right most of us when we get there as you said most of us when we get there as you said most of us when we get there as you said like you're at the top of your game man like you're at the top of your game man like you're at the top of your game man like you're you're at the Pinnacle of like you're you're at the Pinnacle of like you're you're at the Pinnacle of your leadership sort of uh moment in your leadership sort of uh moment in your leadership sort of uh moment in life you're leading something like life you're leading something like life you're leading something like Catalyst that is got I mean everything Catalyst that is got I mean everything Catalyst that is got I mean everything was up and to the right yeah right was up and to the right yeah right was up and to the right yeah right absolutely two years ago everything was absolutely two years ago everything was absolutely two years ago everything was up and to the right like all the all the up and to the right like all the all the up and to the right like all the all the measurables were the best they'd ever measurables were the best they'd ever measurables were the best they'd ever been right but for me it was like been right but for me it was like been right but for me it was like there's some things I can do that I need there's some things I can do that I need there's some things I can do that I need to go pursue and then fill this other to go pursue and then fill this other to go pursue and then fill this other gap with some with with another person gap with some with with another person gap with some with with another person or people that can take my place so I or people that can take my place so I or people that can take my place so I just think that's I think that's healthy just think that's I think that's healthy just think that's I think that's healthy I think it um it says something to the I think it um it says something to the I think it um it says something to the the one thing I get to talk on the most the one thing I get to talk on the most the one thing I get to talk on the most now that everybody that everybody goes now that everybody that everybody goes now that everybody that everybody goes hey come on Brad real story real what hey come on Brad real story real what hey come on Brad real story real what happened like you really did make Andy happened like you really did make Andy happened like you really did make Andy Stanley Mad didn't you like that was the Stanley Mad didn't you like that was the Stanley Mad didn't you like that was the reason like you hack him off the video reason like you hack him off the video reason like you hack him off the video really did go too far yeah the viral really did go too far yeah the viral really did go too far yeah the viral video got out there and then that was it video got out there and then that was it video got out there and then that was it like you were you were gone no it was it like you were you were gone no it was it like you were you were gone no it was it was just like I need to move on I need was just like I need to move on I need was just like I need to move on I need to make make room I need to let somebody to make make room I need to let somebody to make make room I need to let somebody else step up and lead and there's other else step up and lead and there's other else step up and lead and there's other things that I can do yeah in this season things that I can do yeah in this season things that I can do yeah in this season that only I can do I think that's great that only I can do I think that's great that only I can do I think that's great I you know I hope leaders are leaning in I you know I hope leaders are leaning in I you know I hope leaders are leaning in on that I know for me that that's a on that I know for me that that's a on that I know for me that that's a that's a personally challenging thing that's a personally challenging thing that's a personally challenging thing you're talking about there I first led you're talking about there I first led you're talking about there I first led you know I've been involved in multisite you know I've been involved in multisite you know I've been involved in multisite churches for a long time the first churches for a long time the first churches for a long time the first campus I launched uh I was 27 years old campus I launched uh I was 27 years old campus I launched uh I was 27 years old when I launched that and um I look now

when I launched that and um I look now when I launched that and um I look now completely embarrassed a guy early in completely embarrassed a guy early in completely embarrassed a guy early in the 40s and think I would never let a the 40s and think I would never let a the 40s and think I would never let a campus pastor at 27 and and and there's campus pastor at 27 and and and there's campus pastor at 27 and and and there's a part of me that's like gosh that's a part of me that's like gosh that's a part of me that's like gosh that's terrible right and we I have to and terrible right and we I have to and terrible right and we I have to and obviously I'm using a bit of hyperbole obviously I'm using a bit of hyperbole obviously I'm using a bit of hyperbole there but actively actually just even there but actively actually just even there but actively actually just even yesterday was engaged in a conversation yesterday was engaged in a conversation yesterday was engaged in a conversation in our environment our church literally in our environment our church literally in our environment our church literally started as a young adult Bible study so started as a young adult Bible study so started as a young adult Bible study so we and what has happened is over the we and what has happened is over the we and what has happened is over the years we grew from a dozen people at years we grew from a dozen people at years we grew from a dozen people at that young adult Bible study we like that young adult Bible study we like that young adult Bible study we like 3,500 people today and but what's 3,500 people today and but what's 3,500 people today and but what's happened is we've just continued to get happened is we've just continued to get happened is we've just continued to get older um and we have to now I think a older um and we have to now I think a older um and we have to now I think a part of our challenge is to say how do part of our challenge is to say how do part of our challenge is to say how do we release to that next Generation how we release to that next Generation how we release to that next Generation how do we hand off um and not become you do we hand off um and not become you do we hand off um and not become you know 10 years from now a bunch of guys know 10 years from now a bunch of guys know 10 years from now a bunch of guys in their 50s that look around and say in their 50s that look around and say in their 50s that look around and say where are all the 20ss where are all you where are all the 20ss where are all you where are all the 20ss where are all you know which so many churches find know which so many churches find know which so many churches find themselves in um and so you know I think themselves in um and so you know I think themselves in um and so you know I think the fact that you you've done that um to the fact that you you've done that um to the fact that you you've done that um to me is just super you know you know me is just super you know you know me is just super you know you know humbling so that was is kind of the the humbling so that was is kind of the the humbling so that was is kind of the the at least the emotional you know kind of at least the emotional you know kind of at least the emotional you know kind of tenor that that H3 was written in um why tenor that that H3 was written in um why tenor that that H3 was written in um why don't you give us kind of a sense of don't you give us kind of a sense of don't you give us kind of a sense of what that you know that books about um what that you know that books about um what that you know that books about um and you know why people should should be and you know why people should should be and you know why people should should be reading it yeah thank you um well and reading it yeah thank you um well and reading it yeah thank you um well and just just to put a bow on on what we just just to put a bow on on what we just just to put a bow on on what we were just talking about yeah what I'm were just talking about yeah what I'm were just talking about yeah what I'm not saying rich and for everybody out not saying rich and for everybody out not saying rich and for everybody out there who's hearing this going well wait there who's hearing this going well wait there who's hearing this going well wait does this apply to me I I'm not saying does this apply to me I I'm not saying does this apply to me I I'm not saying that that applies to everybody yeah that that applies to everybody yeah that that applies to everybody yeah right um it doesn't mean you know I've right um it doesn't mean you know I've right um it doesn't mean you know I've seen lots of leaders who they're 30 40 seen lots of leaders who they're 30 40 seen lots of leaders who they're 30 40 years in to the same season in the same

years in to the same season in the same years in to the same season in the same role in the same title the same position role in the same title the same position role in the same title the same position and they're crushing it and they're crushing it and they're crushing it um but it does mean this that every um but it does mean this that every um but it does mean this that every level of your level of your level of your organization every leader at every level organization every leader at every level organization every leader at every level in every organization Church nonprofit in every organization Church nonprofit in every organization Church nonprofit business you part of your role is to be business you part of your role is to be business you part of your role is to be looking at your current assignment looking at your current assignment looking at your current assignment saying man do I need to like move on and saying man do I need to like move on and saying man do I need to like move on and step out of the way because it is part step out of the way because it is part step out of the way because it is part of your legacy and part of your of your legacy and part of your of your legacy and part of your stewardship as a leader to replace stewardship as a leader to replace stewardship as a leader to replace yourself yes and every at every level yourself yes and every at every level yourself yes and every at every level not just when you're at the top like we not just when you're at the top like we not just when you're at the top like we think it's only at the top it's at every think it's only at the top it's at every think it's only at the top it's at every level you're replacing yourself level you're replacing yourself level you're replacing yourself including the top mhm and too many times including the top mhm and too many times including the top mhm and too many times leaders at the top they they get on the leaders at the top they they get on the leaders at the top they they get on the top of the mountain and they start top of the mountain and they start top of the mountain and they start getting fat right right because there's getting fat right right because there's getting fat right right because there's nothing else to climb it's like I'm here nothing else to climb it's like I'm here nothing else to climb it's like I'm here I'm at the top of Everest man I'm gonna I'm at the top of Everest man I'm gonna I'm at the top of Everest man I'm gonna take a smoke break yes and all of a take a smoke break yes and all of a take a smoke break yes and all of a sudden you're there for 10 or 15 years sudden you're there for 10 or 15 years sudden you're there for 10 or 15 years and everybody is clim trying to climb up and everybody is clim trying to climb up and everybody is clim trying to climb up and they're going you're in the way and they're going you're in the way and they're going you're in the way right and so anyway um to your question right and so anyway um to your question right and so anyway um to your question um you know for for me like the the um you know for for me like the the um you know for for me like the the premise of H3 three is that I did get to premise of H3 three is that I did get to premise of H3 three is that I did get to a place in my leadership where I had to a place in my leadership where I had to a place in my leadership where I had to I had to recalibrate a little bit for I had to recalibrate a little bit for I had to recalibrate a little bit for the next 20 years 30 years of my journey the next 20 years 30 years of my journey the next 20 years 30 years of my journey and say what is it let me let me just and say what is it let me let me just and say what is it let me let me just redefine and make sure I'm clear on what redefine and make sure I'm clear on what redefine and make sure I'm clear on what I would say is my leadership Mantra and I would say is my leadership Mantra and I would say is my leadership Mantra and H3 is is humble hungry hustle that's the H3 is is humble hungry hustle that's the H3 is is humble hungry hustle that's the three hes that's been my leadership three hes that's been my leadership three hes that's been my leadership Mantra since really since I was in my Mantra since really since I was in my Mantra since really since I was in my 20s I didn't know what to call it right 20s I didn't know what to call it right 20s I didn't know what to call it right you know the other people have those

you know the other people have those you know the other people have those three hes those aren't mine but that three hes those aren't mine but that three hes those aren't mine but that just that seemed to be the the the just that seemed to be the the the just that seemed to be the the the phrase be humble stay hungry always phrase be humble stay hungry always phrase be humble stay hungry always hustle that that permeates out of me on hustle that that permeates out of me on hustle that that permeates out of me on a consistent basis and um you know when a consistent basis and um you know when a consistent basis and um you know when the when the young whipper snapper the when the young whipper snapper the when the young whipper snapper interns would show up at Catalyst over interns would show up at Catalyst over interns would show up at Catalyst over the years and they're 22 and they want the years and they're 22 and they want the years and they're 22 and they want to change the world and they say hey to change the world and they say hey to change the world and they say hey Brad like you know how do you define Brad like you know how do you define Brad like you know how do you define your leadership that's the way I would your leadership that's the way I would your leadership that's the way I would Define it right is humble hungry hustle Define it right is humble hungry hustle Define it right is humble hungry hustle and So within those three what I've and So within those three what I've and So within those three what I've tried to do with this book is both tell tried to do with this book is both tell tried to do with this book is both tell my story of of transition and I I you my story of of transition and I I you my story of of transition and I I you know I mean I I I did as you mentioned I know I mean I I I did as you mentioned I know I mean I I I did as you mentioned I went to London I took a sabatical for went to London I took a sabatical for went to London I took a sabatical for six months before making the six months before making the six months before making the decision you know part of that whole decision you know part of that whole decision you know part of that whole process which I don't want to get into process which I don't want to get into process which I don't want to get into but there was a there was a pretty but there was a there was a pretty but there was a there was a pretty significant process for me of how do I significant process for me of how do I significant process for me of how do I Health how do I step out of leading Health how do I step out of leading Health how do I step out of leading catus because I I knew it was time I catus because I I knew it was time I catus because I I knew it was time I could sense that but then it's like well could sense that but then it's like well could sense that but then it's like well how do you actually do that well right how do you actually do that well right how do you actually do that well right and man like the process of doing that and man like the process of doing that and man like the process of doing that well is is pretty difficult M especially well is is pretty difficult M especially well is is pretty difficult M especially when your identity is tied to it you when your identity is tied to it you when your identity is tied to it you know I had to kill we had to kill CIS know I had to kill we had to kill CIS know I had to kill we had to kill CIS Brad like Brad had to be truly like shot Brad like Brad had to be truly like shot Brad like Brad had to be truly like shot in the in the in the head for for that to be a healthy head for for that to be a healthy head for for that to be a healthy transition and for me to still be the transition and for me to still be the transition and for me to still be the greatest fan of catalyst and and I can greatest fan of catalyst and and I can greatest fan of catalyst and and I can show up and hang out and eat peanuts in show up and hang out and eat peanuts in show up and hang out and eat peanuts in the green room and you know and and feel the green room and you know and and feel the green room and you know and and feel like no sense of bitterness like I'm for like no sense of bitterness like I'm for like no sense of bitterness like I'm for the team I'm I wanted them to succeed the team I'm I wanted them to succeed the team I'm I wanted them to succeed and a lot of times you know you you

and a lot of times you know you you and a lot of times you know you you transition and then you're you're you're transition and then you're you're you're transition and then you're you're you're telling everybody oh you know I love telling everybody oh you know I love telling everybody oh you know I love them and behind the scenes you're like I them and behind the scenes you're like I them and behind the scenes you're like I hope that thing fails exactly I hope it hope that thing fails exactly I hope it hope that thing fails exactly I hope it takes because it'll prove that I you takes because it'll prove that I you takes because it'll prove that I you know I was the man I was the man exactly know I was the man I was the man exactly know I was the man I was the man exactly but you know the that there's 20 habits but you know the that there's 20 habits but you know the that there's 20 habits in the book those 20 habits are for me in the book those 20 habits are for me in the book those 20 habits are for me um those are like my playbook for the um those are like my playbook for the um those are like my playbook for the next 30 years of my leadership journey next 30 years of my leadership journey next 30 years of my leadership journey and just trying to make sure that those and just trying to make sure that those and just trying to make sure that those are instilled into my world into my are instilled into my world into my are instilled into my world into my leadership and you know I think the leadership and you know I think the leadership and you know I think the thing that's help people with this book thing that's help people with this book thing that's help people with this book that that I hear the most response and that that I hear the most response and that that I hear the most response and feedback on is Brad Brad thank you for feedback on is Brad Brad thank you for feedback on is Brad Brad thank you for for talking about the things you you for talking about the things you you for talking about the things you you didn't do well thank you being didn't do well thank you being didn't do well thank you being vulnerable with your story because you vulnerable with your story because you vulnerable with your story because you know I read a lot of books and first of know I read a lot of books and first of know I read a lot of books and first of all I want them to be practical um you all I want them to be practical um you all I want them to be practical um you know if if given to my own uh my own know if if given to my own uh my own know if if given to my own uh my own sort of default of of writing this book sort of default of of writing this book sort of default of of writing this book would have had like 600 bullet would have had like 600 bullet would have had like 600 bullet points right the publisher was like uh points right the publisher was like uh points right the publisher was like uh Brad that's probably not going to be a Brad that's probably not going to be a Brad that's probably not going to be a great book but I'm just a practical guy great book but I'm just a practical guy great book but I'm just a practical guy so I want like tell me how to do give me so I want like tell me how to do give me so I want like tell me how to do give me the checklist yeah tell me how to do the checklist yeah tell me how to do the checklist yeah tell me how to do something so there's a lot of checklists something so there's a lot of checklists something so there's a lot of checklists in this book and there's also that sense in this book and there's also that sense in this book and there's also that sense of man thank you for sharing some of the of man thank you for sharing some of the of man thank you for sharing some of the stuff that that you don't do well stuff that that you don't do well stuff that that you don't do well because I don't I don't learn from because I don't I don't learn from because I don't I don't learn from People based on successes as much as I People based on successes as much as I People based on successes as much as I do on them talking about the things they do on them talking about the things they do on them talking about the things they haven't done well yeah it's it's a great haven't done well yeah it's it's a great haven't done well yeah it's it's a great read I I read it when it first came out read I I read it when it first came out read I I read it when it first came out and it literally was a page Turner you and it literally was a page Turner you and it literally was a page Turner you know I you know obviously I think like a know I you know obviously I think like a know I you know obviously I think like a lot of lot of leaders you know try to be

lot of lot of leaders you know try to be lot of lot of leaders you know try to be consistently you know being challenged consistently you know being challenged consistently you know being challenged by other other books and it's a lot of by other other books and it's a lot of by other other books and it's a lot of times they read stuff and it's like I'm times they read stuff and it's like I'm times they read stuff and it's like I'm willing myself through this but the willing myself through this but the willing myself through this but the thing I appreciate about your book Brad thing I appreciate about your book Brad thing I appreciate about your book Brad and I said this to you earlier I and I said this to you earlier I and I said this to you earlier I appreciate your humility in it and your appreciate your humility in it and your appreciate your humility in it and your vulnerability I think you're just really vulnerability I think you're just really vulnerability I think you're just really open um which is is similar to the the open um which is is similar to the the open um which is is similar to the the beginning of Andy Stanley's deep and beginning of Andy Stanley's deep and beginning of Andy Stanley's deep and wide I'm like I've said to people you wide I'm like I've said to people you wide I'm like I've said to people you you just pick up Andy Stanley's deep and you just pick up Andy Stanley's deep and you just pick up Andy Stanley's deep and wide read the first third and if the wide read the first third and if the wide read the first third and if the first third doesn't suck you in for the first third doesn't suck you in for the first third doesn't suck you in for the rest of it then you've got a cold heart rest of it then you've got a cold heart rest of it then you've got a cold heart um and it's similar with your book I'm um and it's similar with your book I'm um and it's similar with your book I'm like I was just drawn in by your story like I was just drawn in by your story like I was just drawn in by your story and and then there's just so much in and and then there's just so much in and and then there's just so much in there that is challenging you know for there that is challenging you know for there that is challenging you know for me uh personally so I really would me uh personally so I really would me uh personally so I really would encourage people to make sure they pick encourage people to make sure they pick encourage people to make sure they pick it up we'll have a link to it um in the it up we'll have a link to it um in the it up we'll have a link to it um in the show notes and we'll email it out to show notes and we'll email it out to show notes and we'll email it out to people and all that um if people want to people and all that um if people want to people and all that um if people want to get in touch with you uh or learn more get in touch with you uh or learn more get in touch with you uh or learn more about kind of what you're up to what's about kind of what you're up to what's about kind of what you're up to what's the best way for them to do that uh just the best way for them to do that uh just the best way for them to do that uh just my my name.com so Brad lomic it's Brad my my name.com so Brad lomic it's Brad my my name.com so Brad lomic it's Brad and then L M N ck.com nice and then all and then L M N ck.com nice and then all and then L M N ck.com nice and then all the social media Outlets I'm I'm at Brad the social media Outlets I'm I'm at Brad the social media Outlets I'm I'm at Brad lominick no I don't think anybody else lominick no I don't think anybody else lominick no I don't think anybody else has that name has that name has that name so yeah I got I got to I got to have my so yeah I got I got to I got to have my so yeah I got I got to I got to have my selection and my my choice on first and selection and my my choice on first and selection and my my choice on first and last name on all the uh on all the last name on all the uh on all the last name on all the uh on all the internet Outlets of social media this internet Outlets of social media this internet Outlets of social media this yeah that's that's great well Brad i' yeah that's that's great well Brad i' yeah that's that's great well Brad i' I've really appreciated you being on the I've really appreciated you being on the I've really appreciated you being on the show today we should let you go I know show today we should let you go I know show today we should let you go I know you got other stuff to uh to get to you got other stuff to uh to get to you got other stuff to uh to get to today anything else you want to say today anything else you want to say today anything else you want to say before we wrap up no I would just uh before we wrap up no I would just uh before we wrap up no I would just uh thanks for what you're doing thanks for thanks for what you're doing thanks for thanks for what you're doing thanks for making these convers ation available and

making these convers ation available and making these convers ation available and you know my I think my my encouragement you know my I think my my encouragement you know my I think my my encouragement to leaders is um first of all like you to leaders is um first of all like you to leaders is um first of all like you know you're the place you are right now know you're the place you are right now know you're the place you are right now um listening to this watching this a lot um listening to this watching this a lot um listening to this watching this a lot of you are frustrated a lot of you may of you are frustrated a lot of you may of you are frustrated a lot of you may feel like you know the dream that you feel like you know the dream that you feel like you know the dream that you had you haven't gotten to yet and just had you haven't gotten to yet and just had you haven't gotten to yet and just be encouraged that you know God measures be encouraged that you know God measures be encouraged that you know God measures you on faithfulness and um you know me you on faithfulness and um you know me you on faithfulness and um you know me carrying the mantle of catalyst with carrying the mantle of catalyst with carrying the mantle of catalyst with thousands of people um was a great thousands of people um was a great thousands of people um was a great season M but man now I'm carrying the season M but man now I'm carrying the season M but man now I'm carrying the mantle of of tens in the that my mantle of of tens in the that my mantle of of tens in the that my influence meter and my impact is is is influence meter and my impact is is is influence meter and my impact is is is more being measured on how am I more being measured on how am I more being measured on how am I impacting the 10 the 20 the 30 people impacting the 10 the 20 the 30 people impacting the 10 the 20 the 30 people the 40 people that I'm getting to spend the 40 people that I'm getting to spend the 40 people that I'm getting to spend time with and that's just as important time with and that's just as important time with and that's just as important like I didn't go from strength to like I didn't go from strength to like I didn't go from strength to weakness right I went from strength to weakness right I went from strength to weakness right I went from strength to strength you know so so if you got a strength you know so so if you got a strength you know so so if you got a church of 200 man crush it like do what church of 200 man crush it like do what church of 200 man crush it like do what what you've been called to do with with what you've been called to do with with what you've been called to do with with that crew that crew that crew um so that would just be my um so that would just be my um so that would just be my encouragement is be faithful God's encouragement is be faithful God's encouragement is be faithful God's placed you somewhere on purpose you do placed you somewhere on purpose you do placed you somewhere on purpose you do matter you're making a difference and matter you're making a difference and matter you're making a difference and keep it up I really appreciate that Brad keep it up I really appreciate that Brad keep it up I really appreciate that Brad thanks so much for being on the show thanks so much for being on the show thanks so much for being on the show today awesome thanks rich thank you for today awesome thanks rich thank you for today awesome thanks rich thank you for tuning in to this week's unseminary tuning in to this week's unseminary tuning in to this week's unseminary podcast don't be shy we'd love to podcast don't be shy we'd love to podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out unseminary inbox you connect check out unseminary inbox you connect check out unseminary inbox you can sign up at unseminary dcom and we'll can sign up at unseminary dcom and we'll can sign up at unseminary dcom and we'll send you helpful training resources send you helpful training resources send you helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain immediate every week plus you'll gain immediate every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive members area access to our exclusive members area access to our exclusive members area with tons of resources you can use

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