Todd Adkins on the Poetry and Plumbing of Leadership Development

I've been directly involved in the I've been directly involved in the launch of over a dozen multi-site launch of over a dozen multi-site launch of over a dozen multi-site campuses through the churches I've led campuses through the churches I've led campuses through the churches I've led and half of them have been in movie and half of them have been in movie and half of them have been in movie theaters I'm convinced that every church theaters I'm convinced that every church theaters I'm convinced that every church leader should consider using a theater leader should consider using a theater leader should consider using a theater for your next campus or church plant for your next campus or church plant for your next campus or church plant they're flexible culturally relevant they're flexible culturally relevant they're flexible culturally relevant locations typically in the center of the locations typically in the center of the locations typically in the center of the community that 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so glad that you've got you know taking so glad that you've got you know taking some time out to be with us today why some time out to be with us today why some time out to be with us today why don't you kind of give us the Todd story don't you kind of give us the Todd story don't you kind of give us the Todd story give us the you know two minute who is give us the you know two minute who is give us the you know two minute who is Todd Adkins well it all started and I Todd Adkins well it all started and I Todd Adkins well it all started and I was just a twinkle of my father's eye was just a twinkle of my father's eye was just a twinkle of my father's eye nice no I grew up in the middle of nice no I grew up in the middle of nice no I grew up in the middle of nowhere Kentucky literally one stoplight nowhere Kentucky literally one stoplight nowhere Kentucky literally one stoplight in the county grew up in smaller in the county grew up in smaller in the county grew up in smaller churches mm-hmm and learned a ton a ton churches mm-hmm and learned a ton a ton churches mm-hmm and learned a ton a ton about leadership and everything from my about leadership and everything from my about leadership and everything from my father who's a pastor monocles are father who's a pastor monocles are father who's a pastor monocles are pastors like everybody's a pastor it pastors like everybody's a pastor it pastors like everybody's a pastor it didn't start out that way but that's how didn't start out that way but that's how didn't start out that way but that's how it ended up when I was when I was eight it ended up when I was when I was eight it ended up when I was when I was eight my dad became a pastor and then my dad became a pastor and then my dad became a pastor and then everybody else did it seem like in our everybody else did it seem like in our everybody else did it seem like in our family but the interesting thing there family but the interesting thing there family but the interesting thing there is he never went to seminary is he never went to seminary is he never went to seminary he did a little bit of a you know kind he did a little bit of a you know kind he did a little bit of a you know kind of certificate kind of work but he never of certificate kind of work but he never of certificate kind of work but he never went i ended up going to seminary after went i ended up going to seminary after went i ended up going to seminary after college I was a philosophy and speech college I was a philosophy and speech college I was a philosophy and speech major philosophy and rivers yes so you major philosophy and rivers yes so you major philosophy and rivers yes so you know it's either I become a lawyer or go know it's either I become a lawyer or go know it's either I become a lawyer or go to seminary I thought I was going to go to seminary I thought I was going to go to seminary I thought I was going to go on the mission field at the time and on the mission field at the time and on the mission field at the time and ended up at Southern because it was ended up at Southern because it was ended up at Southern because it was close to my parents house and my parents close to my parents house and my parents close to my parents house and my parents would pay for it yes so I went there would pay for it yes so I went there would pay for it yes so I went there they had an incredible leadership school they had an incredible leadership school they had an incredible leadership school and I had two mentors there that and I had two mentors there that and I had two mentors there that completely changed Who I am and how I completely changed Who I am and how I completely changed Who I am and how I interact with with the world and how interact with with the world and how interact with with the world and how elite that was Brad Wagner who was over elite that was Brad Wagner who was over elite that was Brad Wagner who was over the he was the Dean of the leadership the he was the Dean of the leadership the he was the Dean of the leadership school and prior to that was a gentleman school and prior to that was a gentleman school and prior to that was a gentleman named Warren Benson who was at DTS he named Warren Benson who was at DTS he named Warren Benson who was at DTS he was three days older than Moses when he was three days older than Moses when he was three days older than Moses when he was a southern so he was in his 80s and

was a southern so he was in his 80s and was a southern so he was in his 80s and still coming in and teaching but he did still coming in and teaching but he did still coming in and teaching but he did mmm he liked team taught with Hendrix mmm he liked team taught with Hendrix mmm he liked team taught with Hendrix when Hendrix was a student Howard when Hendrix was a student Howard when Hendrix was a student Howard Hendrix and you know the legacy that he Hendrix and you know the legacy that he Hendrix and you know the legacy that he has through the books that he edited and has through the books that he edited and has through the books that he edited and the people that he worked with both in the people that he worked with both in the people that he worked with both in church and on seminary staff was church and on seminary staff was church and on seminary staff was absolutely amazing so if i learned absolutely amazing so if i learned absolutely amazing so if i learned anything from him it was the power of anything from him it was the power of anything from him it was the power of story and case study and how important story and case study and how important story and case study and how important those pieces are both to the poetry and those pieces are both to the poetry and those pieces are both to the poetry and plumbing of leadership development I plumbing of leadership development I plumbing of leadership development I think what our seminaries do a great job think what our seminaries do a great job think what our seminaries do a great job is teaching us the poetry part and they is teaching us the poetry part and they is teaching us the poetry part and they miss out on the plumbing and leadership miss out on the plumbing and leadership miss out on the plumbing and leadership is poetry and plumbing its vision that is poetry and plumbing its vision that is poetry and plumbing its vision that inspires but it's also the systems and inspires but it's also the systems and inspires but it's also the systems and processes that deliver so it's one thing processes that deliver so it's one thing processes that deliver so it's one thing for us to get up and and you know create for us to get up and and you know create for us to get up and and you know create a clear conviction for development in a clear conviction for development in a clear conviction for development in our church and then people get into the our church and then people get into the our church and then people get into the process they get into the systems of our process they get into the systems of our process they get into the systems of our church and things don't add up and so church and things don't add up and so church and things don't add up and so that is what I'm probably that is what that is what I'm probably that is what that is what I'm probably that is what I'm most passionate about is seeing some I'm most passionate about is seeing some I'm most passionate about is seeing some of the old systems that were in place of the old systems that were in place of the old systems that were in place and process that were in place you know and process that were in place you know and process that were in place you know prior to 30 years ago were some great prior to 30 years ago were some great prior to 30 years ago were some great things and you know we've gone from maps things and you know we've gone from maps things and you know we've gone from maps to menus and we're not better for it to menus and we're not better for it to menus and we're not better for it we're not better for you we're not better for you we're not better for you Oh a netflix mentality of church because Oh a netflix mentality of church because Oh a netflix mentality of church because we do need to take people on a journey we do need to take people on a journey we do need to take people on a journey that is thoughtful intentional now more that is thoughtful intentional now more that is thoughtful intentional now more than ever with how much information

than ever with how much information than ever with how much information people are overloaded with sorry that people are overloaded with sorry that people are overloaded with sorry that was longer than two minutes I know was longer than two minutes I know was longer than two minutes I know probably didn't do a whole no no that's probably didn't do a whole no no that's probably didn't do a whole no no that's wonderful also have a wife and three wonderful also have a wife and three wonderful also have a wife and three kids 75 and three well it just turned kids 75 and three well it just turned kids 75 and three well it just turned four so that's also you know that very four so that's also you know that very four so that's also you know that very interesting leading in the home nice interesting leading in the home nice interesting leading in the home nice very cool why don't you tell us about very cool why don't you tell us about very cool why don't you tell us about your time at mclane that obviously a your time at mclane that obviously a your time at mclane that obviously a great church you were you know pinnacle great church you were you know pinnacle great church you were you know pinnacle or right at the center of their kind of or right at the center of their kind of or right at the center of their kind of multi-site expansion you know over the multi-site expansion you know over the multi-site expansion you know over the last 10 years or you know 10 plus years last 10 years or you know 10 plus years last 10 years or you know 10 plus years ago why don't you kind of give us a ago why don't you kind of give us a ago why don't you kind of give us a sense of what was going on there what sense of what was going on there what sense of what was going on there what was going on there is it was a church was going on there is it was a church was going on there is it was a church that was really growing in the DC metro that was really growing in the DC metro that was really growing in the DC metro area we had all kinds of zoning and area we had all kinds of zoning and area we had all kinds of zoning and legal issues all the time so one of the legal issues all the time so one of the legal issues all the time so one of the things one of the reasons why we went to things one of the reasons why we went to things one of the reasons why we went to multi-site was just to continue to grow multi-site was just to continue to grow multi-site was just to continue to grow and to continue to reach DC for Christ and to continue to reach DC for Christ and to continue to reach DC for Christ so we knew we could do a better job of so we knew we could do a better job of so we knew we could do a better job of that then you know from you know coming that then you know from you know coming that then you know from you know coming from tysons corner in Northern Virginia from tysons corner in Northern Virginia from tysons corner in Northern Virginia over into the city or you know in over into the city or you know in over into the city or you know in different parts of Maryland and around different parts of Maryland and around different parts of Maryland and around the Beltway so you know the vision there the Beltway so you know the vision there the Beltway so you know the vision there was to be sure everybody around the was to be sure everybody around the was to be sure everybody around the beltway had a bible-believing you know beltway had a bible-believing you know beltway had a bible-believing you know church and at that time there wasn't church and at that time there wasn't church and at that time there wasn't that many now since then in the last ten that many now since then in the last ten that many now since then in the last ten years holy cow there are so many church years holy cow there are so many church years holy cow there are so many church plants that have come in there there's plants that have come in there there's plants that have come in there there's so many young sharp progressive leaders so many young sharp progressive leaders so many young sharp progressive leaders but for a while there were only like but for a while there were only like but for a while there were only like four five of us in my opinion head that four five of us in my opinion head that four five of us in my opinion head that fit that fit that statements you had cat

fit that fit that statements you had cat fit that fit that statements you had cat bap and first pres and a couple other bap and first pres and a couple other bap and first pres and a couple other people but anyway long story short it people but anyway long story short it people but anyway long story short it was our way of expanding our reach and was our way of expanding our reach and was our way of expanding our reach and influence and really getting the gospel influence and really getting the gospel influence and really getting the gospel into different parts you know we know into different parts you know we know into different parts you know we know people are usually open to community people are usually open to community people are usually open to community before they're open to conversion so before they're open to conversion so before they're open to conversion so it's really getting in there and making it's really getting in there and making it's really getting in there and making those initial connection so in starting those initial connection so in starting those initial connection so in starting campuses we got to the third one that's campuses we got to the third one that's campuses we got to the third one that's when the wheels kind of fell when the wheels kind of fell when the wheels kind of fell off and that's when you know the the way off and that's when you know the the way off and that's when you know the the way that you used to do it doesn't really that you used to do it doesn't really that you used to do it doesn't really work anymore it might actually hurt you work anymore it might actually hurt you work anymore it might actually hurt you if you don't have your your governance if you don't have your your governance if you don't have your your governance worked out and especially decision worked out and especially decision worked out and especially decision rights um so we had you know bucket one rights um so we had you know bucket one rights um so we had you know bucket one bucket to bucket three kind of a bucket to bucket three kind of a bucket to bucket three kind of a Lencioni thing from politics silos and Lencioni thing from politics silos and Lencioni thing from politics silos and turf wars where we said bucket one is turf wars where we said bucket one is turf wars where we said bucket one is our core DNA you cannot change that now our core DNA you cannot change that now our core DNA you cannot change that now that is not you know the way we do that is not you know the way we do that is not you know the way we do children's ministry unless you're that children's ministry unless you're that children's ministry unless you're that big on the way you do children's big on the way you do children's big on the way you do children's ministry that's your core values that ministry that's your core values that ministry that's your core values that that's you know the the main things that that's you know the the main things that that's you know the the main things that make you who you are so then bucket too make you who you are so then bucket too make you who you are so then bucket too is maybe so that's you know a little bit is maybe so that's you know a little bit is maybe so that's you know a little bit more that comes to a strategy team and more that comes to a strategy team and more that comes to a strategy team and they decide whether or not that happens they decide whether or not that happens they decide whether or not that happens in the bucket three man that's done in a in the bucket three man that's done in a in the bucket three man that's done in a working group where you've got all working group where you've got all working group where you've got all children's people together and there you children's people together and there you children's people together and there you know wrestling through that and you know know wrestling through that and you know know wrestling through that and you know there's different transitions that

there's different transitions that there's different transitions that happen in those different stages of happen in those different stages of happen in those different stages of growth so we ended up with a bunch of growth so we ended up with a bunch of growth so we ended up with a bunch of camp assistant before it was all over camp assistant before it was all over camp assistant before it was all over Israel but to get there we really had to Israel but to get there we really had to Israel but to get there we really had to dig in and address some things that were dig in and address some things that were dig in and address some things that were out of whack our systems are structure out of whack our systems are structure out of whack our systems are structure our processes all needed to be audited our processes all needed to be audited our processes all needed to be audited and streamlined make that happen and you and streamlined make that happen and you and streamlined make that happen and you know any entropy is a natural thing so know any entropy is a natural thing so know any entropy is a natural thing so it appears you know things fall apart on it appears you know things fall apart on it appears you know things fall apart on their own and so it's a constant course their own and so it's a constant course their own and so it's a constant course correction of bringing things back and correction of bringing things back and correction of bringing things back and believe it or not you know your systems believe it or not you know your systems believe it or not you know your systems speak as much into your culture as the speak as much into your culture as the speak as much into your culture as the the poetry pieces because that's the the poetry pieces because that's the the poetry pieces because that's the day-to-day thing where those things are day-to-day thing where those things are day-to-day thing where those things are fleshed out and also your values all fleshed out and also your values all fleshed out and also your values all those things if you want your values to those things if you want your values to those things if you want your values to move from bringing aspirational to move from bringing aspirational to move from bringing aspirational to actual you have to address that and your actual you have to address that and your actual you have to address that and your systems your processes your training systems your processes your training systems your processes your training that simply will not happen you can't that simply will not happen you can't that simply will not happen you can't just do it from a stage one sweet can just do it from a stage one sweet can just do it from a stage one sweet can you give us some examples of a time you you give us some examples of a time you you give us some examples of a time you know where the plumbing was getting in know where the plumbing was getting in know where the plumbing was getting in the way of the poetry you know the stuff the way of the poetry you know the stuff the way of the poetry you know the stuff that you've maybe identify one of those that you've maybe identify one of those that you've maybe identify one of those and then and then and then how did you pull that apart and to get how did you pull that apart and to get how did you pull that apart and to get better alignment so that they were you better alignment so that they were you better alignment so that they were you know pushing in the same direction know pushing in the same direction know pushing in the same direction totally probably the the best example is totally probably the the best example is totally probably the the best example is for those people listening if depending for those people listening if depending for those people listening if depending on the size of your church but the on the size of your church but the on the size of your church but the larger the church probably the more larger the church probably the more larger the church probably the more misaligned you are and more siloed you

misaligned you are and more siloed you misaligned you are and more siloed you are and you're you're different ministry are and you're you're different ministry are and you're you're different ministry area so leadership applications we did area so leadership applications we did area so leadership applications we did it audit there were 26 different Wow it audit there were 26 different Wow it audit there were 26 different Wow volunteer leader applegate when you come volunteer leader applegate when you come volunteer leader applegate when you come in and you serve at a church a lot of in and you serve at a church a lot of in and you serve at a church a lot of our people serve in more than one area our people serve in more than one area our people serve in more than one area we often say it's the Pareto principle we often say it's the Pareto principle we often say it's the Pareto principle is the the twenty percent that are is the the twenty percent that are is the the twenty percent that are serving the other eighty percent and I serving the other eighty percent and I serving the other eighty percent and I would say we can rail on that but in would say we can rail on that but in would say we can rail on that but in many cases it's our fault mmm because many cases it's our fault mmm because many cases it's our fault mmm because when a person gets into that and they when a person gets into that and they when a person gets into that and they move from ministry to ministry they're move from ministry to ministry they're move from ministry to ministry they're seeing a different application they're seeing a different application they're seeing a different application they're like why do I have to do this again why like why do I have to do this again why like why do I have to do this again why do I have to do this training again and do I have to do this training again and do I have to do this training again and in most churches is its onboarding met in most churches is its onboarding met in most churches is its onboarding met best when they say they do training best when they say they do training best when they say they do training research lifeway research did research research lifeway research did research research lifeway research did research on 2,000 pastors a ninety-two percent on 2,000 pastors a ninety-two percent on 2,000 pastors a ninety-two percent say that training is critical to the say that training is critical to the say that training is critical to the health and growth of their church it health and growth of their church it health and growth of their church it only one in four churches have any plan only one in four churches have any plan only one in four churches have any plan in place Wow when you dig in deeper it's in place Wow when you dig in deeper it's in place Wow when you dig in deeper it's all boarding it's not hey I'm doing all boarding it's not hey I'm doing all boarding it's not hey I'm doing ongoing training with my children's ongoing training with my children's ongoing training with my children's volunteers I'm taking I'm moving that volunteers I'm taking I'm moving that volunteers I'm taking I'm moving that I'm I'm basically putting a warm body in I'm I'm basically putting a warm body in I'm I'm basically putting a warm body in place i'm practicing leadership place i'm practicing leadership place i'm practicing leadership placement not leadership development placement not leadership development placement not leadership development there's a big difference there so sorry there's a big difference there so sorry there's a big difference there so sorry i'm already chasing a rabbit back to the i'm already chasing a rabbit back to the i'm already chasing a rabbit back to the thing going from 26 to one is really thing going from 26 to one is really thing going from 26 to one is really painful because everybody thinks that

painful because everybody thinks that painful because everybody thinks that they're so unique and so special right they're so unique and so special right they're so unique and so special right that they have to have their own but that they have to have their own but that they have to have their own but again eighty percent of the stuff that again eighty percent of the stuff that again eighty percent of the stuff that we need is the same eighty percent of we need is the same eighty percent of we need is the same eighty percent of the questions that we would ask would be the questions that we would ask would be the questions that we would ask would be the same so it's creating that template the same so it's creating that template the same so it's creating that template and then saying hey children's ministry and then saying hey children's ministry and then saying hey children's ministry if you want to add an addendum to the if you want to add an addendum to the if you want to add an addendum to the back of that you're more than welcome back of that you're more than welcome back of that you're more than welcome but this is what we're this is the but this is what we're this is the but this is what we're this is the information we're gathering and we're information we're gathering and we're information we're gathering and we're keeping in one database in one place so keeping in one database in one place so keeping in one database in one place so we actually know what we're doing we actually know what we're doing we actually know what we're doing and we don't look like a bunch of Jack and we don't look like a bunch of Jack and we don't look like a bunch of Jack wagons two people are sending our church wagons two people are sending our church wagons two people are sending our church its assertive its coming from the its assertive its coming from the its assertive its coming from the business world says I don't know how business world says I don't know how business world says I don't know how this even works I don't even know how this even works I don't even know how this even works I don't even know how this place function right absolutely this place function right absolutely this place function right absolutely where there were there particular index where there were there particular index where there were there particular index I think that's a great example and I think that's a great example and I think that's a great example and that's a great take away even for that's a great take away even for that's a great take away even for leaders that are listening in to say you leaders that are listening in to say you leaders that are listening in to say you know I wonder how many different know I wonder how many different know I wonder how many different applications there are out there I would applications there are out there I would applications there are out there I would imagine a church over even a few hundred imagine a church over even a few hundred imagine a church over even a few hundred people you start to get you know people you start to get you know people you start to get you know individual areas start to think that individual areas start to think that individual areas start to think that their stuff is you know super important their stuff is you know super important their stuff is you know super important and they've got to ask it in just the and they've got to ask it in just the and they've got to ask it in just the right way that would be a great takeaway right way that would be a great takeaway right way that would be a great takeaway even how did you know to drive in on even how did you know to drive in on even how did you know to drive in on that were there particular areas that that were there particular areas that that were there particular areas that were you know resistant to that and how were you know resistant to that and how were you know resistant to that and how did you deal with the resistance of did you deal with the resistance of did you deal with the resistance of saying you know and don't name any names saying you know and don't name any names saying you know and don't name any names you know getting better alignment on you know getting better alignment on you know getting better alignment on that even that issue well I mean you that even that issue well I mean you that even that issue well I mean you know they're the traditional those are know they're the traditional those are know they're the traditional those are the traditional areas of the church that the traditional areas of the church that the traditional areas of the church that happened on Sunday mm-hmm but there's a happened on Sunday mm-hmm but there's a happened on Sunday mm-hmm but there's a lot of church that happens between lot of church that happens between lot of church that happens between Sundays or at least there should be Sundays or at least there should be Sundays or at least there should be right but the sunday sunday morning right but the sunday sunday morning right but the sunday sunday morning ministries or monday evening ministries ministries or monday evening ministries ministries or monday evening ministries we had campuses you know going all we had campuses you know going all we had campuses you know going all through the week but those those core through the week but those those core through the week but those those core ministries had problems because you

ministries had problems because you ministries had problems because you would have the check-in procedure and would have the check-in procedure and would have the check-in procedure and diaper policy at a performing arts diaper policy at a performing arts diaper policy at a performing arts theater where we only have access to the theater where we only have access to the theater where we only have access to the main lobby and then a rehearsal room main lobby and then a rehearsal room main lobby and then a rehearsal room when we do children's in that space when we do children's in that space when we do children's in that space versus the mothership which you know a versus the mothership which you know a versus the mothership which you know a hundred thousand square v de joder space hundred thousand square v de joder space hundred thousand square v de joder space there yes grace thank you and to to help there yes grace thank you and to to help there yes grace thank you and to to help them process again that whole 8020 thing them process again that whole 8020 thing them process again that whole 8020 thing you know eighty percent of the way we do you know eighty percent of the way we do you know eighty percent of the way we do preschool ministry should be the same preschool ministry should be the same preschool ministry should be the same eighty percent of the way we train eighty percent of the way we train eighty percent of the way we train people and on board people need to be people and on board people need to be people and on board people need to be the same amount again I understand we the same amount again I understand we the same amount again I understand we have to have a different diaper policy have to have a different diaper policy have to have a different diaper policy because we don't have you know a because we don't have you know a because we don't have you know a bathroom in every room we might have bathroom in every room we might have bathroom in every room we might have different check-in procedures that's different check-in procedures that's different check-in procedures that's okay but don't throw away everything okay but don't throw away everything okay but don't throw away everything right for those things and when that's right for those things and when that's right for those things and when that's your area and that's your ministry and your area and that's your ministry and your area and that's your ministry and you own it day in and day out and you've you own it day in and day out and you've you own it day in and day out and you've got a something that's put into place got a something that's put into place got a something that's put into place that you feel like is working and you're that you feel like is working and you're that you feel like is working and you're you're like but I'm barely my head is you're like but I'm barely my head is you're like but I'm barely my head is barely above water now and you're asking barely above water now and you're asking barely above water now and you're asking me to do what me to do what me to do what you know those are those are big things you know those are those are big things you know those are those are big things the other thing I would say is language the other thing I would say is language the other thing I would say is language is really important because we would is really important because we would is really important because we would have one in one ministry area you would have one in one ministry area you would have one in one ministry area you would have a coach and their job description have a coach and their job description have a coach and their job description be very similar to what was a be very similar to what was a be very similar to what was a coordinator in a serious first so again coordinator in a serious first so again coordinator in a serious first so again it's just aligning those systems and it's just aligning those systems and it's just aligning those systems and languages now I you know to go ahead and languages now I you know to go ahead and languages now I you know to go ahead and out myself also we said hey we want a

out myself also we said hey we want a out myself also we said hey we want a one-page job description for every role one-page job description for every role one-page job description for every role in the church right for volunteer of in the church right for volunteer of in the church right for volunteer of course to staff member staff members did course to staff member staff members did course to staff member staff members did have have those a couple ministry areas have have those a couple ministry areas have have those a couple ministry areas had those but creating that template and had those but creating that template and had those but creating that template and where those buckets fall are really where those buckets fall are really where those buckets fall are really important creating a core competency of important creating a core competency of important creating a core competency of hey this is what we want all of our hey this is what we want all of our hey this is what we want all of our Universal core competencies this is what Universal core competencies this is what Universal core competencies this is what we want all of our leaders to know what we want all of our leaders to know what we want all of our leaders to know what all our volunteers to know or coaches to all our volunteers to know or coaches to all our volunteers to know or coaches to know our ministries to have to know like know our ministries to have to know like know our ministries to have to know like if you're on ministry staff you have to if you're on ministry staff you have to if you're on ministry staff you have to have this level of competency and have this level of competency and have this level of competency and discipleship and are what our vision is discipleship and are what our vision is discipleship and are what our vision is all those all those things and a lot of all those all those things and a lot of all those all those things and a lot of multi-site riches struggle once you get multi-site riches struggle once you get multi-site riches struggle once you get beyond three or four locations you beyond three or four locations you beyond three or four locations you struggle with the campus versus central struggle with the campus versus central struggle with the campus versus central conversation you know how much you know conversation you know how much you know conversation you know how much you know how much autonomy how much it's not even how much autonomy how much it's not even how much autonomy how much it's not even autonomy it's it's how much kind of autonomy it's it's how much kind of autonomy it's it's how much kind of local flavor will each of our campuses local flavor will each of our campuses local flavor will each of our campuses have and campus pastors become have and campus pastors become have and campus pastors become understandably so passionate about their understandably so passionate about their understandably so passionate about their part of the city that you're in and part of the city that you're in and part of the city that you're in and they're like hey well we want to do they're like hey well we want to do they're like hey well we want to do things a little bit different and things a little bit different and things a little bit different and obviously leadership development is one obviously leadership development is one obviously leadership development is one of the ways that a campus pastor can of the ways that a campus pastor can of the ways that a campus pastor can influence the culture of their influence the culture of their influence the culture of their particular campus only how how did you particular campus only how how did you particular campus only how how did you kind of live in that tension where did kind of live in that tension where did kind of live in that tension where did you know how did you you know offer you you know how did you you know offer you you know how did you you know offer you know common leadership development know common leadership development know common leadership development across all the locations but that also across all the locations but that also across all the locations but that also allows some sort of local nuance what allows some sort of local nuance what allows some sort of local nuance what did that look like for you I would say did that look like for you I would say did that look like for you I would say we had to get to a point where we had a we had to get to a point where we had a we had to get to a point where we had a difficult conversation on how we were

difficult conversation on how we were difficult conversation on how we were structured yeah so at first we were structured yeah so at first we were structured yeah so at first we were structured you know the central person structured you know the central person structured you know the central person this the person who was over worship was this the person who was over worship was this the person who was over worship was in our executive team meeting for the in our executive team meeting for the in our executive team meeting for the main campus he was over worship for the main campus he was over worship for the main campus he was over worship for the for the main campus for the main campus for the main campus I've got he has the way he wants to do I've got he has the way he wants to do I've got he has the way he wants to do things and then I've got the campus things and then I've got the campus things and then I've got the campus pastor in Silver Spring who or arlington pastor in Silver Spring who or arlington pastor in Silver Spring who or arlington or some place that has a lot of young or some place that has a lot of young or some place that has a lot of young adults he wants his stuff to be a little adults he wants his stuff to be a little adults he wants his stuff to be a little different right and so it's saying okay different right and so it's saying okay different right and so it's saying okay who does that who to those people report who does that who to those people report who does that who to those people report to do they report to that central person to do they report to that central person to do they report to that central person who's over that you know kind of who's over that you know kind of who's over that you know kind of ministry area or do they report to the ministry area or do they report to the ministry area or do they report to the campus pastor they report to the campus campus pastor they report to the campus campus pastor they report to the campus pastor but there was a disconnect pastor but there was a disconnect pastor but there was a disconnect between authority and responsibility between authority and responsibility between authority and responsibility then that was there so one of the ways then that was there so one of the ways then that was there so one of the ways we address that was redoing our meeting we address that was redoing our meeting we address that was redoing our meeting structure where we said hey we're having structure where we said hey we're having structure where we said hey we're having a strategic team and at this point you a strategic team and at this point you a strategic team and at this point you know we'll have one kind of meeting for know we'll have one kind of meeting for know we'll have one kind of meeting for the campus pastors and you know the core the campus pastors and you know the core the campus pastors and you know the core guys the the two people that you know guys the the two people that you know guys the the two people that you know run all our facilities and run every all run all our facilities and run every all run all our facilities and run every all the core services elements they've got the core services elements they've got the core services elements they've got to be there and the campus pastors have to be there and the campus pastors have to be there and the campus pastors have to be there and then we're going to have to be there and then we're going to have to be there and then we're going to have a strategy meeting that's even above a strategy meeting that's even above a strategy meeting that's even above that that it doesn't matter what your that that it doesn't matter what your that that it doesn't matter what your position is what your title is it's just position is what your title is it's just position is what your title is it's just that you are the most strategic person that you are the most strategic person that you are the most strategic person to think about and process some of that to think about and process some of that to think about and process some of that stuff and that helped you know really stuff and that helped you know really stuff and that helped you know really with what that helped tremendously in a with what that helped tremendously in a with what that helped tremendously in a very short period of time very cool well

very short period of time very cool well very short period of time very cool well and now why don't we pivot a little bit and now why don't we pivot a little bit and now why don't we pivot a little bit and talk about your work at lifeway and talk about your work at lifeway and talk about your work at lifeway leadership and you know that all the leadership and you know that all the leadership and you know that all the different you a lot of different work different you a lot of different work different you a lot of different work there to help church leaders wrestle there to help church leaders wrestle there to help church leaders wrestle through you know developing their through you know developing their through you know developing their leadership pipeline i love that staff leadership pipeline i love that staff leadership pipeline i love that staff who you said hey ninety-one percent of who you said hey ninety-one percent of who you said hey ninety-one percent of church leaders say it's really important church leaders say it's really important church leaders say it's really important and only one in four actually do and only one in four actually do and only one in four actually do anything about it and you're obviously anything about it and you're obviously anything about it and you're obviously trying to take tackle some of that you trying to take tackle some of that you trying to take tackle some of that you know you've got a great podcast to fight know you've got a great podcast to fight know you've got a great podcast to fight the five leadership questions podcast the five leadership questions podcast the five leadership questions podcast you got a conference coming up can you you got a conference coming up can you you got a conference coming up can you tell us a little bit about what's tell us a little bit about what's tell us a little bit about what's happening on that front okay um I would happening on that front okay um I would happening on that front okay um I would say you know one of the things listeners say you know one of the things listeners say you know one of the things listeners could do is go to either my leadership could do is go to either my leadership could do is go to either my leadership pipeline or they could go to lifeway pipeline or they could go to lifeway pipeline or they could go to lifeway leadership and and quickly find pipeline leadership and and quickly find pipeline leadership and and quickly find pipeline pipeline there's a 20-page you know kind pipeline there's a 20-page you know kind pipeline there's a 20-page you know kind of breakdown of what it is and somewhat of breakdown of what it is and somewhat of breakdown of what it is and somewhat how to implement it how to implement it how to implement it but that's really the underlying but that's really the underlying but that's really the underlying philosophy of what we do we would say philosophy of what we do we would say philosophy of what we do we would say hey every organization needs a pipeline hey every organization needs a pipeline hey every organization needs a pipeline and every person needs a pathway we and every person needs a pathway we and every person needs a pathway we often forget that you know Ephesians 289 often forget that you know Ephesians 289 often forget that you know Ephesians 289 yes it's by grace that we've been saved yes it's by grace that we've been saved yes it's by grace that we've been saved however first 10 says we're God's however first 10 says we're God's however first 10 says we're God's workmanship and he has things prepared workmanship and he has things prepared workmanship and he has things prepared for us to do we also forget his pastures for us to do we also forget his pastures for us to do we also forget his pastures there's only a couple places in the there's only a couple places in the there's only a couple places in the Bible where it's a if you do this I Bible where it's a if you do this I Bible where it's a if you do this I guarantee you this will happen and guarantee you this will happen and guarantee you this will happen and that's in Ephesians 4 where you know that's in Ephesians 4 where you know that's in Ephesians 4 where you know church leaders are called to train the church leaders are called to train the church leaders are called to train the Saints for the work of the ministry Saints for the work of the ministry Saints for the work of the ministry result of that is they will be built up

result of that is they will be built up result of that is they will be built up and measured in the fullness of Christ and measured in the fullness of Christ and measured in the fullness of Christ Jesus and so a lot of times we forget we Jesus and so a lot of times we forget we Jesus and so a lot of times we forget we are more doers than developers right so are more doers than developers right so are more doers than developers right so and what this is trying to do is make and what this is trying to do is make and what this is trying to do is make the shift to allow you to be a developer the shift to allow you to be a developer the shift to allow you to be a developer and not just a doer because you know a and not just a doer because you know a and not just a doer because you know a lot of people want to develop but they lot of people want to develop but they lot of people want to develop but they don't know but they don't have when we don't know but they don't have when we don't know but they don't have when we dug in deeper into that research the top dug in deeper into that research the top dug in deeper into that research the top four reasons why people didn't have a four reasons why people didn't have a four reasons why people didn't have a plan in place is because number one they plan in place is because number one they plan in place is because number one they didn't think they had time number two didn't think they had time number two didn't think they had time number two they didn't have a framework for people they didn't have a framework for people they didn't have a framework for people to walk through three was they didn't to walk through three was they didn't to walk through three was they didn't know how they didn't have the expertise know how they didn't have the expertise know how they didn't have the expertise in all the different areas to be able to in all the different areas to be able to in all the different areas to be able to do that because you're talking some you do that because you're talking some you do that because you're talking some you know most of our churches don't have a know most of our churches don't have a know most of our churches don't have a bunch of staff that are specialized in bunch of staff that are specialized in bunch of staff that are specialized in ministry the ones that do a lot of those ministry the ones that do a lot of those ministry the ones that do a lot of those people and it's a great thing a lot of people and it's a great thing a lot of people and it's a great thing a lot of those people have been developed within those people have been developed within those people have been developed within the organization and so they haven't had the organization and so they haven't had the organization and so they haven't had some of the formal training that they some of the formal training that they some of the formal training that they may have needed to but it's just like may have needed to but it's just like may have needed to but it's just like okay what are the core competencies that okay what are the core competencies that okay what are the core competencies that everybody in our church knows so we did everybody in our church knows so we did everybody in our church knows so we did almost two years of research with a almost two years of research with a almost two years of research with a large group of people everybody from you large group of people everybody from you large group of people everybody from you know Brad La Mina who was part of know Brad La Mina who was part of know Brad La Mina who was part of starting catalyst and Mac Lake he was a starting catalyst and Mac Lake he was a starting catalyst and Mac Lake he was a leadership pipeline guy the guy who does leadership pipeline guy the guy who does leadership pipeline guy the guy who does HR for Walmart like who was also an XP HR for Walmart like who was also an XP HR for Walmart like who was also an XP yeah so we got lots of different Ginny

yeah so we got lots of different Ginny yeah so we got lots of different Ginny cash Ron who until recently was cash Ron who until recently was cash Ron who until recently was the XP at wartburg church I mean we got the XP at wartburg church I mean we got the XP at wartburg church I mean we got I got basically anybody that I could I got basically anybody that I could I got basically anybody that I could anybody that I knew that was really anybody that I knew that was really anybody that I knew that was really passionate about leadership development passionate about leadership development passionate about leadership development of church and we went from asked them of church and we went from asked them of church and we went from asked them all to fill out you know what people all to fill out you know what people all to fill out you know what people needed at each level and then we needed at each level and then we needed at each level and then we consolidated all that it was 286 consolidated all that it was 286 consolidated all that it was 286 competencies wow that's amazing but what competencies wow that's amazing but what competencies wow that's amazing but what we ended up bringing that down was to we ended up bringing that down was to we ended up bringing that down was to six categories and putting those at six categories and putting those at six categories and putting those at different levels and then we brought in different levels and then we brought in different levels and then we brought in people like will Mancini is the best people like will Mancini is the best people like will Mancini is the best person to talk about vision that I know person to talk about vision that I know person to talk about vision that I know of yet on the plant absolutely so I got of yet on the plant absolutely so I got of yet on the plant absolutely so I got him to come in and do that vision him to come in and do that vision him to come in and do that vision tip-to-tail paul trip does discipleship tip-to-tail paul trip does discipleship tip-to-tail paul trip does discipleship tip to tail because whether you're on tip to tail because whether you're on tip to tail because whether you're on this very far right or on this side you this very far right or on this side you this very far right or on this side you at least respect him on discipleship at least respect him on discipleship at least respect him on discipleship absolute so we very strategically went absolute so we very strategically went absolute so we very strategically went through that to create a map not a menu through that to create a map not a menu through that to create a map not a menu a scope and sequence for people to walk a scope and sequence for people to walk a scope and sequence for people to walk through the pathway pieces absolutely through the pathway pieces absolutely through the pathway pieces absolutely your small groups person needs small your small groups person needs small your small groups person needs small groups training right so are they new groups training right so are they new groups training right so are they new are they a learner are they a leader or are they a learner are they a leader or are they a learner are they a leader or they a multiplier and have three they a multiplier and have three they a multiplier and have three different tracks in that section to different tracks in that section to different tracks in that section to bring people along mm-hmm so and then bring people along mm-hmm so and then bring people along mm-hmm so and then again you know how does leadership again you know how does leadership again you know how does leadership transformation happen it's really an transformation happen it's really an transformation happen it's really an overlap of knowledge experience in overlap of knowledge experience in overlap of knowledge experience in coaching I'm not trying to digitize the coaching I'm not trying to digitize the coaching I'm not trying to digitize the discipleship I'm trying to give you discipleship I'm trying to give you discipleship I'm trying to give you mastery or proficiency in something so mastery or proficiency in something so mastery or proficiency in something so when you have knowledge that's that's when you have knowledge that's that's when you have knowledge that's that's great and that's pretty much what we're great and that's pretty much what we're great and that's pretty much what we're doing now information dumps on people

doing now information dumps on people doing now information dumps on people but when you couple that with experience but when you couple that with experience but when you couple that with experience in coaching that's when the magic in coaching that's when the magic in coaching that's when the magic happens and that's when you have happens and that's when you have happens and that's when you have transformation I mean the way you get a transformation I mean the way you get a transformation I mean the way you get a driver's license is first you have to driver's license is first you have to driver's license is first you have to display some knowledge you have to take display some knowledge you have to take display some knowledge you have to take your written test right right alongside your written test right right alongside your written test right right alongside with somebody and drive and you know with somebody and drive and you know with somebody and drive and you know you're getting coaching along the way so you're getting coaching along the way so you're getting coaching along the way so I don't know why we fail to think that I I don't know why we fail to think that I I don't know why we fail to think that I mean we're we're a video enhanced system mean we're we're a video enhanced system mean we're we're a video enhanced system we're not a video-based driven we're not we're not a video-based driven we're not we're not a video-based driven we're not video driven it's not it for your video driven it's not it for your video driven it's not it for your entertainment or Netflix for your church entertainment or Netflix for your church entertainment or Netflix for your church everything we do is in a scope and everything we do is in a scope and everything we do is in a scope and sequence mmhmm yeah you really should sequence mmhmm yeah you really should sequence mmhmm yeah you really should check it out if you're the thing I love check it out if you're the thing I love check it out if you're the thing I love that you know just to underline what you that you know just to underline what you that you know just to underline what you said is that thing I love you're doing said is that thing I love you're doing said is that thing I love you're doing is you're providing a framework you're is you're providing a framework you're is you're providing a framework you're providing hey here you know beyond just providing hey here you know beyond just providing hey here you know beyond just here's a bunch of random resources here's a bunch of random resources here's a bunch of random resources here's a bunch here's a bunch here's a bunch different topics it's like hey how does different topics it's like hey how does different topics it's like hey how does this all fit together to push people to this all fit together to push people to this all fit together to push people to encourage people along that you know encourage people along that you know encourage people along that you know develop path anything else you want to develop path anything else you want to develop path anything else you want to talk about pipeline just before we move talk about pipeline just before we move talk about pipeline just before we move on with a lightning round um pipeline on with a lightning round um pipeline on with a lightning round um pipeline conference is sold out well there's less conference is sold out well there's less conference is sold out well there's less than a hundred spots left so I don't than a hundred spots left so I don't than a hundred spots left so I don't know win this will air but if it'll air know win this will air but if it'll air know win this will air but if it'll air before after the conference even but before after the conference even but before after the conference even but that sold out the coaching day that goes that sold out the coaching day that goes that sold out the coaching day that goes along with that sold out early and it's along with that sold out early and it's along with that sold out early and it's 420 spots that's great that's just us 420 spots that's great that's just us 420 spots that's great that's just us walking people through in a systematic walking people through in a systematic walking people through in a systematic way helping them understand that most of way helping them understand that most of way helping them understand that most of them have not had a this is going to them have not had a this is going to them have not had a this is going to sound like heresy but I learned this sound like heresy but I learned this sound like heresy but I learned this from will Mancini actually he asked me from will Mancini actually he asked me from will Mancini actually he asked me one day he's like when did you have your one day he's like when did you have your one day he's like when did you have your second conversion I'm like what are you second conversion I'm like what are you second conversion I'm like what are you talking that's heresy and he's like no

talking that's heresy and he's like no talking that's heresy and he's like no when did you convert from being a doer when did you convert from being a doer when did you convert from being a doer to a developer and man that story hit me to a developer and man that story hit me to a developer and man that story hit me just like that I had started young adult just like that I had started young adult just like that I had started young adult ministry it had you know a couple ministry it had you know a couple ministry it had you know a couple hundred people coming it was great and I hundred people coming it was great and I hundred people coming it was great and I went to another church and I came back went to another church and I came back went to another church and I came back six months later and it was decimated six months later and it was decimated six months later and it was decimated right because you and I realized I right because you and I realized I right because you and I realized I realized that I it was I'd done it on realized that I it was I'd done it on realized that I it was I'd done it on hustle hmm and and you know personality hustle hmm and and you know personality hustle hmm and and you know personality of asking every friend I had to be there of asking every friend I had to be there of asking every friend I had to be there and then when I went away I didn't have and then when I went away I didn't have and then when I went away I didn't have there was not a core conviction for there was not a core conviction for there was not a core conviction for leadership development there and there leadership development there and there leadership development there and there were no systems and processes in place were no systems and processes in place were no systems and processes in place so you know it or just do with that is so you know it or just do with that is so you know it or just do with that is just is just give people that just is just give people that just is just give people that opportunity to come in and and process opportunity to come in and and process opportunity to come in and and process that and say you can do it yes I know that and say you can do it yes I know that and say you can do it yes I know sunday is coming and most of the time sunday is coming and most of the time sunday is coming and most of the time you come somewhere three weeks later you you come somewhere three weeks later you you come somewhere three weeks later you get fired up in three weeks later it's get fired up in three weeks later it's get fired up in three weeks later it's all gone because sundays come in and so all gone because sundays come in and so all gone because sundays come in and so what we want people to walk away with is what we want people to walk away with is what we want people to walk away with is that scope and sequence and real tools that scope and sequence and real tools that scope and sequence and real tools to help them get along the way it's not to help them get along the way it's not to help them get along the way it's not doing it for you but it's just giving doing it for you but it's just giving doing it for you but it's just giving you a framework and some templates and you a framework and some templates and you a framework and some templates and tools help you get there and achieve tools help you get there and achieve tools help you get there and achieve some early wins so that you will be some early wins so that you will be some early wins so that you will be willing to invest mm-hmm you know I'd willing to invest mm-hmm you know I'd willing to invest mm-hmm you know I'd literally just yesterday I was in a literally just yesterday I was in a literally just yesterday I was in a conversation with a young leader who you conversation with a young leader who you conversation with a young leader who you know I was challenging them to rethink know I was challenging them to rethink know I was challenging them to rethink their leadership and to rethink their their leadership and to rethink their their leadership and to rethink their service and they're very much caught in service and they're very much caught in service and they're very much caught in that Dewar developer that Dewar developer that Dewar developer paradigm literally at one point in the paradigm literally at one point in the paradigm literally at one point in the conversation you know the leader looks conversation you know the leader looks conversation you know the leader looks at me he says because I was asking him

at me he says because I was asking him at me he says because I was asking him to develop his people and he says well to develop his people and he says well to develop his people and he says well yeah but it's been going well with what yeah but it's been going well with what yeah but it's been going well with what I'm doing and it's working and it was I'm doing and it's working and it was I'm doing and it's working and it was like I was challenging him and I said like I was challenging him and I said like I was challenging him and I said yeah listen I'm not debating that it's yeah listen I'm not debating that it's yeah listen I'm not debating that it's working I'm not debating that you know working I'm not debating that you know working I'm not debating that you know the energy that's happening around you the energy that's happening around you the energy that's happening around you it is positive what I'm saying is it's it is positive what I'm saying is it's it is positive what I'm saying is it's not sustainable long-term and it's not not sustainable long-term and it's not not sustainable long-term and it's not what you want to do you know I can't what you want to do you know I can't what you want to do you know I can't have you just being a doer I need you to have you just being a doer I need you to have you just being a doer I need you to develop people I need you to be handing develop people I need you to be handing develop people I need you to be handing off these pieces of the ministry and and off these pieces of the ministry and and off these pieces of the ministry and and that's going to be hard it's going to be that's going to be hard it's going to be that's going to be hard it's going to be tough but but this is where we need to tough but but this is where we need to tough but but this is where we need to go this is your next step and it was go this is your next step and it was go this is your next step and it was interesting seeing it you know and I had interesting seeing it you know and I had interesting seeing it you know and I had sympathy for him as I looked back you sympathy for him as I looked back you sympathy for him as I looked back you know on my own ministry career at you know on my own ministry career at you know on my own ministry career at you know time earlier where I'm like yeah know time earlier where I'm like yeah know time earlier where I'm like yeah you do take a certain amount of pride you do take a certain amount of pride you do take a certain amount of pride and like I'll just do it I'll just and like I'll just do it I'll just and like I'll just do it I'll just muscle through but that doesn't work muscle through but that doesn't work muscle through but that doesn't work long term and that that builds week long term and that that builds week long term and that that builds week ministries and it doesn't build you know ministries and it doesn't build you know ministries and it doesn't build you know sustainability into what we're doing sustainability into what we're doing sustainability into what we're doing it's not the model that it's not the it's not the model that it's not the it's not the model that it's not the model that you want to set I mean when model that you want to set I mean when model that you want to set I mean when you do that you're setting a very poor you do that you're setting a very poor you do that you're setting a very poor model this is the unset Maneri podcast model this is the unset Maneri podcast model this is the unset Maneri podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary stuff you wish they taught in seminary stuff you wish they taught in seminary all right but we're going to jump into all right but we're going to jump into all right but we're going to jump into the lightning round that part of the the lightning round that part of the the lightning round that part of the show where we ask similar questions show where we ask similar questions show where we ask similar questions everybody that's on the up on the everybody that's on the up on the everybody that's on the up on the episode today we got Todd Adkins with a episode today we got Todd Adkins with a episode today we got Todd Adkins with a super happy to have you with us Todd super happy to have you with us Todd super happy to have you with us Todd what's an online resource that you're what's an online resource that you're what's an online resource that you're using these days that's particularly using these days that's particularly using these days that's particularly helpful for your ministry there's helpful for your ministry there's helpful for your ministry there's there's actually two they do something there's actually two they do something there's actually two they do something similar but I use them with different similar but I use them with different similar but I use them with different groups that some slack and a hip chat groups that some slack and a hip chat groups that some slack and a hip chat yep and just you know like when I got to yep and just you know like when I got to yep and just you know like when I got to if you've ever been in an organization if you've ever been in an organization if you've ever been in an organization that use more activity streams and email

that use more activity streams and email that use more activity streams and email you will never look back right and what you will never look back right and what you will never look back right and what that does is it's just it helps us keep that does is it's just it helps us keep that does is it's just it helps us keep short accounts it helps us ask for short accounts it helps us ask for short accounts it helps us ask for things real time without sending an things real time without sending an things real time without sending an email yeah helps us keep track of stuff email yeah helps us keep track of stuff email yeah helps us keep track of stuff and share things more easily it's and share things more easily it's and share things more easily it's amazing and then i use buffer all all amazing and then i use buffer all all amazing and then i use buffer all all the time nice idea collection and re the time nice idea collection and re the time nice idea collection and re sending out yeah that's great yeah sending out yeah that's great yeah sending out yeah that's great yeah what's a book you've read in the last I what's a book you've read in the last I what's a book you've read in the last I don't know maybe six months to a year I don't know maybe six months to a year I don't know maybe six months to a year I know you read a lot that's had an impact know you read a lot that's had an impact know you read a lot that's had an impact on your thinking or ministry just one on your thinking or ministry just one on your thinking or ministry just one yeah exactly Eric Geiger and yeah exactly Eric Geiger and yeah exactly Eric Geiger and Kevin Peck kimpex the executive pastor Kevin Peck kimpex the executive pastor Kevin Peck kimpex the executive pastor at Austin Stone he's genius they have a at Austin Stone he's genius they have a at Austin Stone he's genius they have a book out right now called design to lead book out right now called design to lead book out right now called design to lead that will outline again a lot of what that will outline again a lot of what that will outline again a lot of what I'm working on the how to leadership I'm working on the how to leadership I'm working on the how to leadership pipeline but they do a really good job pipeline but they do a really good job pipeline but they do a really good job of laying the foundation of you know why of laying the foundation of you know why of laying the foundation of you know why do we need leadership development and do we need leadership development and do we need leadership development and they walk through a really healthy they they walk through a really healthy they they walk through a really healthy they walk through in a really healthy way walk through in a really healthy way walk through in a really healthy way looking at creating a conviction looking at creating a conviction looking at creating a conviction creating culture and then dealing with creating culture and then dealing with creating culture and then dealing with the constructs the systems and process the constructs the systems and process the constructs the systems and process piece of how this really works so Kevin piece of how this really works so Kevin piece of how this really works so Kevin was just on the it was just on the was just on the it was just on the was just on the it was just on the podcast I literally just got my copy two podcast I literally just got my copy two podcast I literally just got my copy two days ago looking forward to jumping into days ago looking forward to jumping into days ago looking forward to jumping into that for sure that's a great great that for sure that's a great great that for sure that's a great great resource great leader for sure I resource great leader for sure I resource great leader for sure I guarantee you you will underline at

guarantee you you will underline at guarantee you you will underline at least six things oh yeah introduction least six things oh yeah introduction least six things oh yeah introduction okay nice good i'll take your challenge okay nice good i'll take your challenge okay nice good i'll take your challenge if not i will buy you a very good if not i will buy you a very good if not i will buy you a very good cheeseburger the next time you're a cheeseburger the next time you're a cheeseburger the next time you're a natural nice i'll do that anyway which natural nice i'll do that anyway which natural nice i'll do that anyway which will be at the pipeline comfort so will be at the pipeline comfort so will be at the pipeline comfort so that'll be good all right what's what's that'll be good all right what's what's that'll be good all right what's what's the ministry that that you're looking to the ministry that that you're looking to the ministry that that you're looking to these days it's kind of inspiring you these days it's kind of inspiring you these days it's kind of inspiring you that you're like that's good people to that you're like that's good people to that you're like that's good people to follow and what and listen and wash well follow and what and listen and wash well follow and what and listen and wash well I'm you know would say stone again in I'm you know would say stone again in I'm you know would say stone again in Austin Austin Stone and then the summit Austin Austin Stone and then the summit Austin Austin Stone and then the summit church out of raleigh-durham area JD church out of raleigh-durham area JD church out of raleigh-durham area JD Greer's church they do an incredible job Greer's church they do an incredible job Greer's church they do an incredible job of sending people out and in fact you of sending people out and in fact you of sending people out and in fact you know when JD closes a service he says know when JD closes a service he says know when JD closes a service he says you've been sent it's just a reminder you've been sent it's just a reminder you've been sent it's just a reminder every week of what they're called to do every week of what they're called to do every week of what they're called to do and so another a church plant that I'm and so another a church plant that I'm and so another a church plant that I'm on the board of is restoration city in on the board of is restoration city in on the board of is restoration city in DC and you know that church planter went DC and you know that church planter went DC and you know that church planter went through that program and then they moved through that program and then they moved through that program and then they moved there with like 40 people Wow 40 people there with like 40 people Wow 40 people there with like 40 people Wow 40 people picked up their stuff as I move there picked up their stuff as I move there picked up their stuff as I move there and that story has been repeated dozens and that story has been repeated dozens and that story has been repeated dozens of times if not a hundred times by now of times if not a hundred times by now of times if not a hundred times by now within their church in addition to you within their church in addition to you within their church in addition to you know the the heavy missions component in know the the heavy missions component in know the the heavy missions component in the global component and maybe not going the global component and maybe not going the global component and maybe not going for a lifetime but going for five years for a lifetime but going for five years for a lifetime but going for five years and doing businesses ministry uh in and doing businesses ministry uh in and doing businesses ministry uh in another place oh I love what they're another place oh I love what they're another place oh I love what they're doing nice very cool if you could get 15 doing nice very cool if you could get 15 doing nice very cool if you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive who would

minutes with any leader alive who would minutes with any leader alive who would you want to get that with and why you want to get that with and why you want to get that with and why anybody can be anybody shoot for the anybody can be anybody shoot for the anybody can be anybody shoot for the stars oh my goodness like um I don't stars oh my goodness like um I don't stars oh my goodness like um I don't know why but I'm really attracted to know why but I'm really attracted to know why but I'm really attracted to crazy people okay so it's like if I crazy people okay so it's like if I crazy people okay so it's like if I could get in a room with you know Kim could get in a room with you know Kim could get in a room with you know Kim Jong hoon aur Putin and just I don't Jong hoon aur Putin and just I don't Jong hoon aur Putin and just I don't know somehow share Jesus with them know somehow share Jesus with them know somehow share Jesus with them because they really need that yes um but because they really need that yes um but because they really need that yes um but also just to like go how does this also just to like go how does this also just to like go how does this person I'm a profiler I love all the person I'm a profiler I love all the person I'm a profiler I love all the personality stuff and I do that with personality stuff and I do that with personality stuff and I do that with staffs do it with my staff I do it with staffs do it with my staff I do it with staffs do it with my staff I do it with other churches and stuff but I love to other churches and stuff but I love to other churches and stuff but I love to profile people so I would just want to profile people so I would just want to profile people so I would just want to be in a room and go what like what makes be in a room and go what like what makes be in a room and go what like what makes this person hating what are they talking this person hating what are they talking this person hating what are they talking about yeah well I can say this the first about yeah well I can say this the first about yeah well I can say this the first time that Kim Jong or Putin have been time that Kim Jong or Putin have been time that Kim Jong or Putin have been mentioned on the podcast which is I'm mentioned on the podcast which is I'm mentioned on the podcast which is I'm definitely an odd person there been a definitely an odd person there been a definitely an odd person there been a few Billy Graham references over the few Billy Graham references over the few Billy Graham references over the years but those the first of those ones years but those the first of those ones years but those the first of those ones so I appreciate you you know stepping so I appreciate you you know stepping so I appreciate you you know stepping out which is great all right well I'm out which is great all right well I'm out which is great all right well I'm sure you know you've got a lot going on sure you know you've got a lot going on sure you know you've got a lot going on when you just want to kind of sit back when you just want to kind of sit back when you just want to kind of sit back and relax do something for fun what do and relax do something for fun what do and relax do something for fun what do you what do you love to do for fun um I you what do you love to do for fun um I you what do you love to do for fun um I know this is gonna sound really strange know this is gonna sound really strange know this is gonna sound really strange but I love like I love algorithms in a but I love like I love algorithms in a but I love like I love algorithms in a social and I love stuff that I love social and I love stuff that I love social and I love stuff that I love trying to figure out things yep and so

trying to figure out things yep and so trying to figure out things yep and so it's really digging into a system and it's really digging into a system and it's really digging into a system and breaking it apart nice to figure out why breaking it apart nice to figure out why breaking it apart nice to figure out why it's not working like my strengths it's not working like my strengths it's not working like my strengths finder my number one is strategic in the finder my number one is strategic in the finder my number one is strategic in the second Maximizer so I really love those second Maximizer so I really love those second Maximizer so I really love those yet doing that kind of stuff and then yet doing that kind of stuff and then yet doing that kind of stuff and then for a while really got into building for a while really got into building for a while really got into building guns building guns why didn't know you guns building guns why didn't know you guns building guns why didn't know you could do that oh heck yeah again rural could do that oh heck yeah again rural could do that oh heck yeah again rural agricultural background yeah totally uh agricultural background yeah totally uh agricultural background yeah totally uh so everybody knew how to use their hands so everybody knew how to use their hands so everybody knew how to use their hands and it's like this just parts so for a and it's like this just parts so for a and it's like this just parts so for a while you couldn't you could while you couldn't you could while you couldn't you could get your hands on guns which you could get your hands on guns which you could get your hands on guns which you could get your hands on the parts Oh put them get your hands on the parts Oh put them get your hands on the parts Oh put them together so it was a yeah cool and I together so it was a yeah cool and I together so it was a yeah cool and I like oh world war two stuff so fun well like oh world war two stuff so fun well like oh world war two stuff so fun well Todd I appreciate you being on the show Todd I appreciate you being on the show Todd I appreciate you being on the show today if people want to get in touch today if people want to get in touch today if people want to get in touch with you or with a life wave leadership with you or with a life wave leadership with you or with a life wave leadership how can they do that twitter is at Todd how can they do that twitter is at Todd how can they do that twitter is at Todd Adkins and then my email is Todd I Adkins and then my email is Todd I Adkins and then my email is Todd I napkins at lifeway calm nice thanks so napkins at lifeway calm nice thanks so napkins at lifeway calm nice thanks so much so I really appreciate be on the much so I really appreciate be on the much so I really appreciate be on the show today absolutely thank you thank show today absolutely thank you thank show today absolutely thank you thank you for tuning in to this week's unsung you for tuning in to this week's unsung you for tuning in to this week's unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love to re podcast don't be shy we'd love to re podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out uncie maneri inbox you connect check out uncie maneri inbox you connect check out uncie maneri inbox you can sign up at unsummon re calm and can sign up at unsummon re calm and can sign up at unsummon re calm and Wilson you helpful training resources Wilson you helpful training resources Wilson you helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain immediate every week plus you'll gain immediate every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive members area access to our exclusive members area access to our exclusive members area with tons of resources you can use with tons of resources you can use with tons of resources you can use connect with rich on Twitter at rich connect with rich on Twitter at rich connect with rich on Twitter at rich birch or through email rich at unset birch or through email rich at unset birch or through email rich at unset Maneri calm don't forget to check out Maneri calm don't forget to check out Maneri calm don't forget to check out the show notes for this episode at unset the show notes for this episode at unset the show notes for this episode at unset Maneri calm it includes links to what we Maneri calm it includes links to what we Maneri calm it includes links to what we talked about today and more leave a

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