Brian Dennert on Collaboration Within a Growing Multisite Church

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inside if we don't change things we're inside if we don't change things we're not going to exist basically right where not going to exist basically right where not going to exist basically right where we exist now and so and that time went we exist now and so and that time went we exist now and so and that time went to say let's really reach a figure out to say let's really reach a figure out to say let's really reach a figure out what people are looking for in the what people are looking for in the what people are looking for in the community and really started to realize community and really started to realize community and really started to realize people are often disconnected from God people are often disconnected from God people are often disconnected from God in the church the word you hear us talk in the church the word you hear us talk in the church the word you hear us talk a lot about is connect and disconnected a lot about is connect and disconnected a lot about is connect and disconnected our mission is to reach the disconnected our mission is to reach the disconnected our mission is to reach the disconnected and so in that process start to engage and so in that process start to engage and so in that process start to engage people in terms of worship and moving people in terms of worship and moving people in terms of worship and moving more contemporary worship at that point more contemporary worship at that point more contemporary worship at that point is very traditional Church before that is very traditional Church before that is very traditional Church before that and then also having sermons that were and then also having sermons that were and then also having sermons that were connecting to people's life and that's connecting to people's life and that's connecting to people's life and that's the kind of story and as the church has the kind of story and as the church has the kind of story and as the church has grown that's been grown that's been grown that's been a lot of what's been about and we're a lot of what's been about and we're a lot of what's been about and we're Church trying to really live into Church trying to really live into Church trying to really live into relationships we're having push right relationships we're having push right relationships we're having push right now to kicking that to reach out one now to kicking that to reach out one now to kicking that to reach out one relationship at time I was that was relationship at time I was that was relationship at time I was that was becoming it don't go out and every becoming it don't go out and every becoming it don't go out and every relationship you have is a place to relationship you have is a place to relationship you have is a place to bring that gospel that you run this into bring that gospel that you run this into bring that gospel that you run this into disconnected people wherever you might disconnected people wherever you might disconnected people wherever you might go so there's something some go so there's something some go so there's something some distinctives mean we try to have a great distinctives mean we try to have a great distinctives mean we try to have a great kids ministry great worship experience kids ministry great worship experience kids ministry great worship experience some great bible teaching and to really some great bible teaching and to really some great bible teaching and to really be a place where people can come and get be a place where people can come and get be a place where people can come and get connected from from all sorts of connected from from all sorts of connected from from all sorts of backgrounds interesting that's really backgrounds interesting that's really backgrounds interesting that's really cool tell me a bit about more about the cool tell me a bit about more about the cool tell me a bit about more about the connection stuff that's interesting on connection stuff that's interesting on connection stuff that's interesting on the kind of one-to-one you know give us the kind of one-to-one you know give us the kind of one-to-one you know give us it flushed at a little bit more what is it flushed at a little bit more what is it flushed at a little bit more what is that looking like you know how are you that looking like you know how are you that looking like you know how are you what are you encouraging people to do to what are you encouraging people to do to what are you encouraging people to do to connect beyond the walls connect beyond the walls connect beyond the walls yeah and it's a work in progress like yeah and it's a work in progress like yeah and it's a work in progress like anything in the church world is not yet anything in the church world is not yet anything in the church world is not yet got figured out but realize at that got figured out but realize at that got figured out but realize at that point a lot of people felt like our point a lot of people felt like our point a lot of people felt like our mission was to get people to come to the mission was to get people to come to the mission was to get people to come to the church yeah when you're to reach out and

church yeah when you're to reach out and church yeah when you're to reach out and that's part of it we don't want to stop that's part of it we don't want to stop that's part of it we don't want to stop doing that so we which Easter went doing that so we which Easter went doing that so we which Easter went Christmas we do reach your neighbors Christmas we do reach your neighbors Christmas we do reach your neighbors start praying for your neighbors even start praying for your neighbors even start praying for your neighbors even this past year saying everyone's write this past year saying everyone's write this past year saying everyone's write down the name of one person you're down the name of one person you're down the name of one person you're praying will come to Easter and invite praying will come to Easter and invite praying will come to Easter and invite them but trying to push more people into them but trying to push more people into them but trying to push more people into what are things outside the walls that what are things outside the walls that what are things outside the walls that you can do so even our dire campus right you can do so even our dire campus right you can do so even our dire campus right now is trying to think through what's now is trying to think through what's now is trying to think through what's going on in the summertime instead of us going on in the summertime instead of us going on in the summertime instead of us having an event here what's the having an event here what's the having an event here what's the community doing how can we be a part of community doing how can we be a part of community doing how can we be a part of those events those events those events how can you view every relationship and how can you view every relationship and how can you view every relationship and just really use that language to push it just really use that language to push it just really use that language to push it the people's laugh say it's not just us the people's laugh say it's not just us the people's laugh say it's not just us it's you wherever you might go so we're it's you wherever you might go so we're it's you wherever you might go so we're still working into that but look at your still working into that but look at your still working into that but look at your neighborhood look at your workplaces of neighborhood look at your workplaces of neighborhood look at your workplaces of work those relationships are places you work those relationships are places you work those relationships are places you can bring the gospel oh very cool well I can bring the gospel oh very cool well I can bring the gospel oh very cool well I know being executive faster that you are know being executive faster that you are know being executive faster that you are in and out of a lot of meetings I'm sure in and out of a lot of meetings I'm sure in and out of a lot of meetings I'm sure that you spend a lot of time either you that you spend a lot of time either you that you spend a lot of time either you know in one-on-one or small group or know in one-on-one or small group or know in one-on-one or small group or even larger group even larger group even larger group you know meetings I'd love to hear what you know meetings I'd love to hear what you know meetings I'd love to hear what that you know what you're learning on that you know what you're learning on that you know what you're learning on that front what is the pattern in that front what is the pattern in that front what is the pattern in process that you you guys are employing process that you you guys are employing process that you you guys are employing how how do your you know rhythms fit how how do your you know rhythms fit how how do your you know rhythms fit into all that I'd love to hear more into all that I'd love to hear more into all that I'd love to hear more about that about that about that yeah and that's definitely one of the yeah and that's definitely one of the yeah and that's definitely one of the things that they don't teach you in things that they don't teach you in things that they don't teach you in seminary as I look back is how to think seminary as I look back is how to think seminary as I look back is how to think through running meeting through running meeting through running meeting things Mangin meeting so that's been things Mangin meeting so that's been things Mangin meeting so that's been something I've been learning here in the something I've been learning here in the something I've been learning here in the past year especially as I moved into past year especially as I moved into past year especially as I moved into this executive pastor rolled out a year this executive pastor rolled out a year this executive pastor rolled out a year ago and being a multi-site church and ago and being a multi-site church and ago and being a multi-site church and all these campuses only adds to the

all these campuses only adds to the all these campuses only adds to the meetings in the sense we have to have we meetings in the sense we have to have we meetings in the sense we have to have we want to get people together and if you want to get people together and if you want to get people together and if you have no meetings and people feel have a have no meetings and people feel have a have no meetings and people feel have a loop if you have lots of meetings people loop if you have lots of meetings people loop if you have lots of meetings people feel worn down so you kind of have a feel worn down so you kind of have a feel worn down so you kind of have a pendulum swinging some of things I've pendulum swinging some of things I've pendulum swinging some of things I've learned this past year is that to really learned this past year is that to really learned this past year is that to really make it clear every meeting what the make it clear every meeting what the make it clear every meeting what the purpose of that meeting has been so purpose of that meeting has been so purpose of that meeting has been so often and maybe people have heard this often and maybe people have heard this often and maybe people have heard this before but I hit here in seminary before but I hit here in seminary before but I hit here in seminary definitely purpose of a meeting might be definitely purpose of a meeting might be definitely purpose of a meeting might be information to simply saying the goal of information to simply saying the goal of information to simply saying the goal of this meeting is to pass along this meeting is to pass along this meeting is to pass along information whatever notes meeting is information whatever notes meeting is information whatever notes meeting is about information right oh we're not about information right oh we're not about information right oh we're not going to make decisions where I can going to make decisions where I can going to make decisions where I can collaborate we're not getting feedback collaborate we're not getting feedback collaborate we're not getting feedback we're just let you know what's going on we're just let you know what's going on we're just let you know what's going on where a meeting might be a collaboration where a meeting might be a collaboration where a meeting might be a collaboration of a we have this idea so we've been of a we have this idea so we've been of a we have this idea so we've been doing some adjustments technology wise doing some adjustments technology wise doing some adjustments technology wise what we use technology hey we're what we use technology hey we're what we use technology hey we're thinking about this we want get feedback thinking about this we want get feedback thinking about this we want get feedback so we don't we don't make mistakes so we don't we don't make mistakes so we don't we don't make mistakes before we make this change who should we before we make this change who should we before we make this change who should we talk to and there's a collaboration even talk to and there's a collaboration even talk to and there's a collaboration even those meetings the decision is being those meetings the decision is being those meetings the decision is being made by our technology director it's his made by our technology director it's his made by our technology director it's his decision to make but he's getting decision to make but he's getting decision to make but he's getting feedback collaboration and brainstorming feedback collaboration and brainstorming feedback collaboration and brainstorming or is this a meeting about making a or is this a meeting about making a or is this a meeting about making a decision and say we are going to make decision and say we are going to make decision and say we are going to make this decision or that decision and so I this decision or that decision and so I this decision or that decision and so I first trying to bring that template into first trying to bring that template into first trying to bring that template into every meeting that we have so we have an every meeting that we have so we have an every meeting that we have so we have an elder meeting okay this section the elder meeting okay this section the elder meeting okay this section the meetings gonna be the information the meetings gonna be the information the meetings gonna be the information the section links in that collaboration section links in that collaboration section links in that collaboration these are the things we must make these are the things we must make these are the things we must make decisions on and that wait here in that decisions on and that wait here in that decisions on and that wait here in that process or saying hey we're going to process or saying hey we're going to process or saying hey we're going to talk about this but this is in the

talk about this but this is in the talk about this but this is in the collaboration brainstorming phase and so collaboration brainstorming phase and so collaboration brainstorming phase and so I can make a vote we're just talking I can make a vote we're just talking I can make a vote we're just talking about this well though next time we'll about this well though next time we'll about this well though next time we'll put it on the decision-making agenda so put it on the decision-making agenda so put it on the decision-making agenda so that's been been helpful in like large that's been been helpful in like large that's been been helpful in like large group meetings but even in one-on-one group meetings but even in one-on-one group meetings but even in one-on-one meetings what I've been doing is trying meetings what I've been doing is trying meetings what I've been doing is trying to go and say okay this mean we're to go and say okay this mean we're to go and say okay this mean we're trying to solve this issue we're going trying to solve this issue we're going trying to solve this issue we're going to talk about this that way it's a to talk about this that way it's a to talk about this that way it's a couple times oh I thought we were going couple times oh I thought we were going couple times oh I thought we were going to talk about this I thought we're going to talk about this I thought we're going to talk about this I thought we're going to talk about this okay to talk about this okay to talk about this okay that way we don't walk out saying that that way we don't walk out saying that that way we don't walk out saying that mean mean mean useless and if you say we don't want to useless and if you say we don't want to useless and if you say we don't want to talk about this meeting well then they talk about this meeting well then they talk about this meeting well then they would be cancel that meeting right would be cancel that meeting right would be cancel that meeting right makers on the same page so those are makers on the same page so those are makers on the same page so those are some things we've been been thinking some things we've been been thinking some things we've been been thinking about and then even thinking more deeply about and then even thinking more deeply about and then even thinking more deeply after meetings of do we have the right after meetings of do we have the right after meetings of do we have the right people in the room we have lots of teams people in the room we have lots of teams people in the room we have lots of teams okay we have the right people and maybe okay we have the right people and maybe okay we have the right people and maybe we readjust teams and and reassemble we readjust teams and and reassemble we readjust teams and and reassemble things but and and lately have been things but and and lately have been things but and and lately have been saying does the senior pastor you mean saying does the senior pastor you mean saying does the senior pastor you mean every one of these meetings I think the every one of these meetings I think the every one of these meetings I think the executive pastor or if we have someone executive pastor or if we have someone executive pastor or if we have someone else that can then report tell us what's else that can then report tell us what's else that can then report tell us what's going on lupus in end of the minute we going on lupus in end of the minute we going on lupus in end of the minute we don't have to be never being I think don't have to be never being I think don't have to be never being I think that the push can be for a senior pastor that the push can be for a senior pastor that the push can be for a senior pastor or for an executive has to be at every or for an executive has to be at every or for an executive has to be at every single meeting and is that's exhausting single meeting and is that's exhausting single meeting and is that's exhausting I was looking at my schedule I had about I was looking at my schedule I had about I was looking at my schedule I had about 40 hours a month in just standing 40 hours a month in just standing 40 hours a month in just standing meetings right the whole week of work meetings right the whole week of work meetings right the whole week of work yes too many well why don't you pull yes too many well why don't you pull yes too many well why don't you pull apart how that how you're kind of apart how that how you're kind of apart how that how you're kind of meeting rhythms are going within your meeting rhythms are going within your meeting rhythms are going within your multi sites so how are you keeping you multi sites so how are you keeping you multi sites so how are you keeping you flag that earlier a lot of people who flag that earlier a lot of people who flag that earlier a lot of people who listening in our leading multi sites and

listening in our leading multi sites and listening in our leading multi sites and they're all struggling with this you they're all struggling with this you they're all struggling with this you know who is calling the meetings who's know who is calling the meetings who's know who is calling the meetings who's you know who's kind of setting the you know who's kind of setting the you know who's kind of setting the agenda whose driving decisions all of agenda whose driving decisions all of agenda whose driving decisions all of that can you help us kind of think that can you help us kind of think that can you help us kind of think through some of those issues from your through some of those issues from your through some of those issues from your perspective yeah I mean so kind of the perspective yeah I mean so kind of the perspective yeah I mean so kind of the structures we have is once a week we structures we have is once a week we structures we have is once a week we have a campus pastors meeting for about have a campus pastors meeting for about have a campus pastors meeting for about an hour and a half an hour that is an hour and a half an hour that is an hour and a half an hour that is discussion on issues and we kind of have discussion on issues and we kind of have discussion on issues and we kind of have our multi-site director help set the our multi-site director help set the our multi-site director help set the agenda people give him the different agenda people give him the different agenda people give him the different ideas for that so it's also a ideas for that so it's also a ideas for that so it's also a collaborative meeting in the sense of collaborative meeting in the sense of collaborative meeting in the sense of either something you want to talk about either something you want to talk about either something you want to talk about he's the one it funnels through and that he's the one it funnels through and that he's the one it funnels through and that way there's a regular every week way there's a regular every week way there's a regular every week face-to-face campus pastors are in the face-to-face campus pastors are in the face-to-face campus pastors are in the loop and then about the last half hour loop and then about the last half hour loop and then about the last half hour that means actually we do serve in that means actually we do serve in that means actually we do serve in collaboration we have a model where each collaboration we have a model where each collaboration we have a model where each campus pastors preaching okay they don't campus pastors preaching okay they don't campus pastors preaching okay they don't have outlying it's feedback so we're have outlying it's feedback so we're have outlying it's feedback so we're able to get feedback for each other able to get feedback for each other able to get feedback for each other about every other week we have what we about every other week we have what we about every other week we have what we call our central leadership team other call our central leadership team other call our central leadership team other place and I call global or call it place and I call global or call it place and I call global or call it correction or what not but that's kind correction or what not but that's kind correction or what not but that's kind of the key ministry leaders all the of the key ministry leaders all the of the key ministry leaders all the various ministries get together for hour various ministries get together for hour various ministries get together for hour hour and a half where are things we all hour and a half where are things we all hour and a half where are things we all need to weigh in on need to weigh in on need to weigh in on but try and USA has this effect everyone but try and USA has this effect everyone but try and USA has this effect everyone or just affecting one campus a one of or just affecting one campus a one of or just affecting one campus a one of our campuses are Dyer campus is the our campuses are Dyer campus is the our campuses are Dyer campus is the largest is the immersive sometimes largest is the immersive sometimes largest is the immersive sometimes people get confused this is you know people get confused this is you know people get confused this is you know that's really just about Dyer let's not that's really just about Dyer let's not that's really just about Dyer let's not talking about affecting everyone right talking about affecting everyone right talking about affecting everyone right but even lately we've been saying is but even lately we've been saying is but even lately we've been saying is this what's the what's the purpose of

this what's the what's the purpose of this what's the what's the purpose of that that meaning is it share that that meaning is it share that that meaning is it share information is it to collaborate isn't information is it to collaborate isn't information is it to collaborate isn't the fine-tune things each campus has a the fine-tune things each campus has a the fine-tune things each campus has a leadership team that will meet every leadership team that will meet every leadership team that will meet every couple weeks or so when it focuses on couple weeks or so when it focuses on couple weeks or so when it focuses on contextualizing our mission for that contextualizing our mission for that contextualizing our mission for that campus okay for tech division promote campus okay for tech division promote campus okay for tech division promote the vision push it forward for that the vision push it forward for that the vision push it forward for that campus again not for everyone just for campus again not for everyone just for campus again not for everyone just for that campus and then just an all staff that campus and then just an all staff that campus and then just an all staff level we have twice twice a month we level we have twice twice a month we level we have twice twice a month we have all staff fit together once for a have all staff fit together once for a have all staff fit together once for a worship service in terms of a chapel worship service in terms of a chapel worship service in terms of a chapel we're going through our staff values if we're going through our staff values if we're going through our staff values if we can worship together and remind we can worship together and remind we can worship together and remind ourselves why we're doing what we're ourselves why we're doing what we're ourselves why we're doing what we're doing and then the other one is we doing and then the other one is we doing and then the other one is we actually call the staff infection actually call the staff infection actually call the staff infection hmm as a way to you know play on words hmm as a way to you know play on words hmm as a way to you know play on words there but just to get our values and there but just to get our values and there but just to get our values and keep it formal lupaza as a staff and keep it formal lupaza as a staff and keep it formal lupaza as a staff and that's once a month with all of our that's once a month with all of our that's once a month with all of our campuses coming together so that can be campuses coming together so that can be campuses coming together so that can be a large meeting just trying to promote a large meeting just trying to promote a large meeting just trying to promote relationships so we see each other we're relationships so we see each other we're relationships so we see each other we're not right disconnected we can be not right disconnected we can be not right disconnected we can be connected and those are fun meetings connected and those are fun meetings connected and those are fun meetings that we have and there's what you know that we have and there's what you know that we have and there's what you know tons of other meetings our campus kids tons of other meetings our campus kids tons of other meetings our campus kids directors get together once a month or directors get together once a month or directors get together once a month or campin worship leaders by similar okay campin worship leaders by similar okay campin worship leaders by similar okay I'm just trying to have that level and I'm just trying to have that level and I'm just trying to have that level and then we have you know quarterly all the then we have you know quarterly all the then we have you know quarterly all the elders from campuses get together I mean elders from campuses get together I mean elders from campuses get together I mean there's other meetings going on but there's other meetings going on but there's other meetings going on but those are the primary ones back to the those are the primary ones back to the those are the primary ones back to the campus posture piece for a second that's campus posture piece for a second that's campus posture piece for a second that's sort of all that's super helpful that sort of all that's super helpful that sort of all that's super helpful that gives a really good insider you know gives a really good insider you know gives a really good insider you know view on how that's all working together view on how that's all working together view on how that's all working together so your campus pastors they're all doing

so your campus pastors they're all doing so your campus pastors they're all doing teaching are they following what's teaching are they following what's teaching are they following what's happening at Dyer like is it kind of is happening at Dyer like is it kind of is happening at Dyer like is it kind of is it kind of team teaching in that sense it kind of team teaching in that sense it kind of team teaching in that sense yeah so the way it works primarily is yeah so the way it works primarily is yeah so the way it works primarily is you know we said preaching calendar for you know we said preaching calendar for you know we said preaching calendar for the for the year you know we're working the for the year you know we're working the for the year you know we're working six nine twelve months in advance and six nine twelve months in advance and six nine twelve months in advance and then we assign different syriza's to then we assign different syriza's to then we assign different syriza's to different campus pastors and staff say different campus pastors and staff say different campus pastors and staff say hey we want to do a hey we want to do a hey we want to do a or week series on community so will sign or week series on community so will sign or week series on community so will sign a campus pastor and worship leader they a campus pastor and worship leader they a campus pastor and worship leader they go and kind of figure out what text what go and kind of figure out what text what go and kind of figure out what text what the bottom line is that they run it the bottom line is that they run it the bottom line is that they run it through kind of a central planning team through kind of a central planning team through kind of a central planning team that you know I'll do some work making that you know I'll do some work making that you know I'll do some work making sure we have you know we haven't sure we have you know we haven't sure we have you know we haven't preached those passages for a while preached those passages for a while preached those passages for a while right I make sure they kind of fit well right I make sure they kind of fit well right I make sure they kind of fit well our creative team gets involved to give our creative team gets involved to give our creative team gets involved to give it usually a more creative name than it usually a more creative name than it usually a more creative name than like four weeks on community right so like four weeks on community right so like four weeks on community right so they get involved in that and then we they get involved in that and then we they get involved in that and then we have the text pick and then typically have the text pick and then typically have the text pick and then typically whoever is preaching in Dyer kind of whoever is preaching in Dyer kind of whoever is preaching in Dyer kind of drives the message okay because the Dyer drives the message okay because the Dyer drives the message okay because the Dyer campus has a Saturday night service so campus has a Saturday night service so campus has a Saturday night service so okay okay okay come in quicker I wouldn't say they come in quicker I wouldn't say they come in quicker I wouldn't say they bring that outline say this is if I was bring that outline say this is if I was bring that outline say this is if I was preaching today this is what I would do preaching today this is what I would do preaching today this is what I would do and maybe some feedback pass it along and maybe some feedback pass it along and maybe some feedback pass it along and we typically follow the same basic and we typically follow the same basic and we typically follow the same basic outline but we all make it our own okay outline but we all make it our own okay outline but we all make it our own okay so you if you go at different campuses so you if you go at different campuses so you if you go at different campuses you'll hear the same passage same bottom you'll hear the same passage same bottom you'll hear the same passage same bottom line but it might be to revive that and line but it might be to revive that and line but it might be to revive that and also path you know driven home a little also path you know driven home a little also path you know driven home a little differently based on the personality of differently based on the personality of differently based on the personality of the preacher okay and then about one the preacher okay and then about one the preacher okay and then about one seven six weeks we have a video message seven six weeks we have a video message seven six weeks we have a video message to all the campuses to keep us align to all the campuses to keep us align to all the campuses to keep us align Youngs okay and would that typically be

Youngs okay and would that typically be Youngs okay and would that typically be Bob would be doing that it was able to Bob would be doing that it was able to Bob would be doing that it was able to be Bob or if we have a guest speaker who be Bob or if we have a guest speaker who be Bob or if we have a guest speaker who we a couple weeks back we kicked up a we a couple weeks back we kicked up a we a couple weeks back we kicked up a new series we had a guest speaker been new series we had a guest speaker been new series we had a guest speaker been Patterson it was a chaplain at Westmont Patterson it was a chaplain at Westmont Patterson it was a chaplain at Westmont College he spoke so he then that guest College he spoke so he then that guest College he spoke so he then that guest speaker went all the campuses so that speaker went all the campuses so that speaker went all the campuses so that way you can leverage all the campus get way you can leverage all the campus get way you can leverage all the campus get this wonderful guest speaker s right I'm this wonderful guest speaker s right I'm this wonderful guest speaker s right I'm not just the one interesting cool so not just the one interesting cool so not just the one interesting cool so then his Bob a part of those weekly then his Bob a part of those weekly then his Bob a part of those weekly campus pastor meetings typically he has campus pastor meetings typically he has campus pastor meetings typically he has been worse adjusting what the scheduled been worse adjusting what the scheduled been worse adjusting what the scheduled looked like yet doesn't run those looked like yet doesn't run those looked like yet doesn't run those meetings Ralston department eyesight meetings Ralston department eyesight meetings Ralston department eyesight director runs it and he's he's in the director runs it and he's he's in the director runs it and he's he's in the loop sometimes he might come just for a loop sometimes he might come just for a loop sometimes he might come just for a portion of it right ending on schedule portion of it right ending on schedule portion of it right ending on schedule right but he's usually in the room too right but he's usually in the room too right but he's usually in the room too cool cool well you know you'd said cool cool well you know you'd said cool cool well you know you'd said earlier that you were you've been in earlier that you were you've been in earlier that you were you've been in this role as an executive pastor for the this role as an executive pastor for the this role as an executive pastor for the last year last year last year love to hear about well how that love to hear about well how that love to hear about well how that experience has been what were you doing experience has been what were you doing experience has been what were you doing before that and what it was what have before that and what it was what have before that and what it was what have you learned you know in this first year you learned you know in this first year you learned you know in this first year in this new seat yeah I think every in this new seat yeah I think every in this new seat yeah I think every executive pastor has a different journey executive pastor has a different journey executive pastor has a different journey into their seat so mine honestly mine is into their seat so mine honestly mine is into their seat so mine honestly mine is unique but in call unique but in call unique but in call are unique but I've been in ministry for are unique but I've been in ministry for are unique but I've been in ministry for over 10 years now start out doing youth over 10 years now start out doing youth over 10 years now start out doing youth ministry as mineva ministry as mineva ministry as mineva started out doing did that for a few started out doing did that for a few started out doing did that for a few years did adult education ministry years did adult education ministry years did adult education ministry actually went back into the PhD in actually went back into the PhD in actually went back into the PhD in theology so I have that PhD background theology so I have that PhD background theology so I have that PhD background but while do my PhD I did children's but while do my PhD I did children's but while do my PhD I did children's ministry their rocket enough so Monday ministry their rocket enough so Monday ministry their rocket enough so Monday through Friday was with dusty books through Friday was with dusty books through Friday was with dusty books Sunday I was having kids reenact the Sunday I was having kids reenact the Sunday I was having kids reenact the Bible stories a fun experience from that

Bible stories a fun experience from that Bible stories a fun experience from that church we started a second campus and I church we started a second campus and I church we started a second campus and I was a kind of launch pastor for that was a kind of launch pastor for that was a kind of launch pastor for that that campus okay I was really more of a that campus okay I was really more of a that campus okay I was really more of a church plant but it was a second campus church plant but it was a second campus church plant but it was a second campus and I was also doing some teaching on and I was also doing some teaching on and I was also doing some teaching on the collegiate level got got called over the collegiate level got got called over the collegiate level got got called over here to pay a charge to initially do here to pay a charge to initially do here to pay a charge to initially do leadership training and theology to use leadership training and theology to use leadership training and theology to use my PhD to bring some that that knowledge my PhD to bring some that that knowledge my PhD to bring some that that knowledge to the church but as kind of things to the church but as kind of things to the church but as kind of things progress I started off my downfall was I progress I started off my downfall was I progress I started off my downfall was I started asking too many questions on how started asking too many questions on how started asking too many questions on how things worked and and such reservation things worked and and such reservation things worked and and such reservation so then with executive pastor left in so then with executive pastor left in so then with executive pastor left in last January I can't start taking out last January I can't start taking out last January I can't start taking out more responsibilities but then more responsibilities but then more responsibilities but then officially became as I kept after last officially became as I kept after last officially became as I kept after last May May May ok have doing both the organization but ok have doing both the organization but ok have doing both the organization but also ministry I like to think my also ministry I like to think my also ministry I like to think my background I've done I've done a lot of background I've done I've done a lot of background I've done I've done a lot of different ministries so I can I different ministries so I can I different ministries so I can I understand youth ministry understand understand youth ministry understand understand youth ministry understand kids ministries I understand a gold kids ministries I understand a gold kids ministries I understand a gold ministries and I've been a campus pastor ministries and I've been a campus pastor ministries and I've been a campus pastor in a different format but I can I can in a different format but I can I can in a different format but I can I can connect with those and and I like to say connect with those and and I like to say connect with those and and I like to say my dad's a CPA so he taught me to love my dad's a CPA so he taught me to love my dad's a CPA so he taught me to love spreadsheets I'm able to do that as well spreadsheets I'm able to do that as well spreadsheets I'm able to do that as well as it's been learning a lot of there's as it's been learning a lot of there's as it's been learning a lot of there's us a lot of things to manage and I think us a lot of things to manage and I think us a lot of things to manage and I think the danger with an executive pastor I'm the danger with an executive pastor I'm the danger with an executive pastor I'm learning is sometimes the senior pastor learning is sometimes the senior pastor learning is sometimes the senior pastor you give the executive pastor so the you give the executive pastor so the you give the executive pastor so the senior pastor doesn't have everything senior pastor doesn't have everything senior pastor doesn't have everything going through him and right now it seems going through him and right now it seems going through him and right now it seems like sometimes everything still goes

like sometimes everything still goes like sometimes everything still goes through me step through him right so we through me step through him right so we through me step through him right so we just compounded the problem yeah so just just compounded the problem yeah so just just compounded the problem yeah so just how do you delegate even more and how do you delegate even more and how do you delegate even more and empower people as did I've been learning empower people as did I've been learning empower people as did I've been learning that on the fly first year I learned a that on the fly first year I learned a that on the fly first year I learned a lot I know what's going on but how do I lot I know what's going on but how do I lot I know what's going on but how do I maybe maybe maybe err steps on reporting structures is not err steps on reporting structures is not err steps on reporting structures is not something I'm thinking about - very cool something I'm thinking about - very cool something I'm thinking about - very cool very cool well is anything else you want very cool well is anything else you want very cool well is anything else you want to share before we move in on with the to share before we move in on with the to share before we move in on with the rest of the episode I mean I just rest of the episode I mean I just rest of the episode I mean I just well executive pastors can sometimes be well executive pastors can sometimes be well executive pastors can sometimes be unsung heroes I've really enjoyed the unsung heroes I've really enjoyed the unsung heroes I've really enjoyed the work I get to be behind the scenes also work I get to be behind the scenes also work I get to be behind the scenes also get to use the gifts and I think the get to use the gifts and I think the get to use the gifts and I think the beauty might have been looking more beauty might have been looking more beauty might have been looking more executive pastors do you find what's the executive pastors do you find what's the executive pastors do you find what's the gift mix and then you got just senior gift mix and then you got just senior gift mix and then you got just senior pastor executive pastor together it's pastor executive pastor together it's pastor executive pastor together it's been great to do that so far this is the been great to do that so far this is the been great to do that so far this is the on seminary podcast stuff you wish they on seminary podcast stuff you wish they on seminary podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary well we're going to taught in seminary well we're going to taught in seminary well we're going to jump into the lightening around that jump into the lightening around that jump into the lightening around that part of the episode where we have part of the episode where we have part of the episode where we have similar questions and everybody that's similar questions and everybody that's similar questions and everybody that's on the show super excited to have Bryan on the show super excited to have Bryan on the show super excited to have Bryan with us today from Faith Church it's a with us today from Faith Church it's a with us today from Faith Church it's a great church you need to make sure you great church you need to make sure you great church you need to make sure you get a chance to to follow Bryan what is get a chance to to follow Bryan what is get a chance to to follow Bryan what is an online resource that you're using an online resource that you're using an online resource that you're using these days that's helping you in your these days that's helping you in your these days that's helping you in your ministry yeah few months back we ministry yeah few months back we ministry yeah few months back we switched to using slack for a lot of switched to using slack for a lot of switched to using slack for a lot of interoffice communication so it's cut interoffice communication so it's cut interoffice communication so it's cut down emails but we also use a lot of G down emails but we also use a lot of G down emails but we also use a lot of G Google Documents and those things that Google Documents and those things that Google Documents and those things that have been more collaborative nice what's have been more collaborative nice what's have been more collaborative nice what's a book you've read in the last I don't a book you've read in the last I don't a book you've read in the last I don't know maybe six months to a year that's know maybe six months to a year that's know maybe six months to a year that's had an impact on your thinking and had an impact on your thinking and had an impact on your thinking and ministry I read thriving in the second ministry I read thriving in the second ministry I read thriving in the second chair by Mike Bonham and that's been chair by Mike Bonham and that's been chair by Mike Bonham and that's been very helpful as a new executive pastor very helpful as a new executive pastor very helpful as a new executive pastor on my role on my role on my role nice yeah we had Mike on the show he's a

nice yeah we had Mike on the show he's a nice yeah we had Mike on the show he's a great guy he's really really good for great guy he's really really good for great guy he's really really good for sure what's another ministry that you're sure what's another ministry that you're sure what's another ministry that you're looking to that kind of inspires you looking to that kind of inspires you looking to that kind of inspires you that you're like hey they're doing a that you're like hey they're doing a that you're like hey they're doing a good job I kind of will follow them a good job I kind of will follow them a good job I kind of will follow them a little bit I'd say a village church down little bit I'd say a village church down little bit I'd say a village church down in Texas and that Chandler just really in Texas and that Chandler just really in Texas and that Chandler just really impressed by how it'll be thankful they impressed by how it'll be thankful they impressed by how it'll be thankful they are I mean they are unapologetic looking are I mean they are unapologetic looking are I mean they are unapologetic looking at the Scriptures trying to do that but at the Scriptures trying to do that but at the Scriptures trying to do that but also reaching out to the communities but also reaching out to the communities but also reaching out to the communities but even as they've been doing multi-site even as they've been doing multi-site even as they've been doing multi-site also launching churches it's a great also launching churches it's a great also launching churches it's a great model to think they're happy faithful model to think they're happy faithful model to think they're happy faithful and fruitful how the multi-site but also and fruitful how the multi-site but also and fruitful how the multi-site but also church planting and just really church planting and just really church planting and just really appreciate what they're doing very cool appreciate what they're doing very cool appreciate what they're doing very cool if you could get 15 minutes with any if you could get 15 minutes with any if you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive who would you want to get leader alive who would you want to get leader alive who would you want to get that with and why I bet in Keller that with and why I bet in Keller that with and why I bet in Keller oh yeah hero of mine that sense because oh yeah hero of mine that sense because oh yeah hero of mine that sense because he understands the how to speak to the he understands the how to speak to the he understands the how to speak to the human heart so well and just for the human heart so well and just for the human heart so well and just for the culture and also just a movement he's culture and also just a movement he's culture and also just a movement he's sparking up church planting is always sparking up church planting is always sparking up church planting is always don't say how do you do that how do you don't say how do you do that how do you don't say how do you do that how do you move that for move that for move that for keep that going right very cool well I keep that going right very cool well I keep that going right very cool well I know being an executive pastor can be know being an executive pastor can be know being an executive pastor can be demanding but what do you do just for demanding but what do you do just for demanding but what do you do just for fun when you want to kick back relax fun when you want to kick back relax fun when you want to kick back relax enjoy life a little bit yeah I know this enjoy life a little bit yeah I know this enjoy life a little bit yeah I know this makes me a total geek but my my hobby is makes me a total geek but my my hobby is makes me a total geek but my my hobby is reading biographies of presidents oh no reading biographies of presidents oh no reading biographies of presidents oh no that's cool so I got almost through that's cool so I got almost through that's cool so I got almost through almost all the Presidents I've all the almost all the Presidents I've all the almost all the Presidents I've all the ones in 19th century that no one ones in 19th century that no one ones in 19th century that no one remembers I've read all them Wow I just remembers I've read all them Wow I just remembers I've read all them Wow I just have a few more left to go that's have a few more left to go that's have a few more left to go that's amazing that's really cool that's what a amazing that's really cool that's what a amazing that's really cool that's what a fun hobby that's that's me good well I fun hobby that's that's me good well I fun hobby that's that's me good well I appreciate you being on the show today appreciate you being on the show today appreciate you being on the show today if people want to get in touch with you

if people want to get in touch with you if people want to get in touch with you Brian or get in touch with the church Brian or get in touch with the church Brian or get in touch with the church how can they do that well our our how can they do that well our our how can they do that well our our website is we are faith org great even website is we are faith org great even website is we are faith org great even that is a name that tries to look at that is a name that tries to look at that is a name that tries to look at relationships that we are fake so you go relationships that we are fake so you go relationships that we are fake so you go there you can find info on the church there you can find info on the church there you can find info on the church the websites and those things I have a the websites and those things I have a the websites and those things I have a blog I do up on that website as well for blog I do up on that website as well for blog I do up on that website as well for cool theology issues and then I have my cool theology issues and then I have my cool theology issues and then I have my email addresses feed energy at we are email addresses feed energy at we are email addresses feed energy at we are faiths org so BD e and then ERT at we faiths org so BD e and then ERT at we faiths org so BD e and then ERT at we are phase org or if you go to the are phase org or if you go to the are phase org or if you go to the website go the staff page you'll find a website go the staff page you'll find a website go the staff page you'll find a picture of me and my address great well picture of me and my address great well picture of me and my address great well thank you so much Brian I really thank you so much Brian I really thank you so much Brian I really appreciate be on the show today yeah a appreciate be on the show today yeah a appreciate be on the show today yeah a pleasure thank you for tuning in to this pleasure thank you for tuning in to this pleasure thank you for tuning in to this week's unsung re podcast don't be shy week's unsung re podcast don't be shy week's unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out on we'd love to connect check out on we'd love to connect check out on seminary inbox you can sign up at seminary inbox you can sign up at seminary inbox you can sign up at unsummon airy calm and we'll send you unsummon airy calm and we'll send you unsummon airy calm and we'll send you helpful training resources every week helpful training resources every week helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our plus you'll gain immediate access to our plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive members area with tons of exclusive members area with tons of exclusive members area with tons of resources you can use connect with rich resources you can use connect with rich resources you can use connect with rich on twitter at rich birch or through on twitter at rich birch or through on twitter at rich birch or through email rich at unsummon Ericom don't email rich at unsummon Ericom don't email rich at unsummon Ericom don't forget to check out the show notes for forget to check out the show notes for forget to check out the show notes for this episode a ton seminary comm it this episode a ton seminary comm it this episode a ton seminary comm it includes links to what we talked about includes links to what we talked about includes links to what we talked about today and more leave a comment we'd love today and more leave a comment we'd love today and more leave a comment we'd love to hear from you did you enjoy today's to hear from you did you enjoy today's to hear from you did you enjoy today's episode drop by iTunes and leave a episode drop by iTunes and leave a episode drop by iTunes and leave a review thanks again for tuning in to review thanks again for tuning in to review thanks again for tuning in to this week's unsimilar a podcast join us this week's unsimilar a podcast join us this week's unsimilar a podcast join us next week when we'll learn more stuff we next week when we'll learn more stuff we next week when we'll learn more stuff we wish they taught in seminary