Shell Osbon on Transforming a Historical Church through Community Partnerships

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joy to join with you rich it's a real joy to join with you rich it's a real joy to join with you and and all those who'll be viewing the and and all those who'll be viewing the and and all those who'll be viewing the podcast as well well thank you so much podcast as well well thank you so much podcast as well well thank you so much why don't we start with kind of give us why don't we start with kind of give us why don't we start with kind of give us the The Life Church story give us kind the The Life Church story give us kind the The Life Church story give us kind of if people were you know to arrive of if people were you know to arrive of if people were you know to arrive this weekend what would they experience this weekend what would they experience this weekend what would they experience and then what's your connection with the and then what's your connection with the and then what's your connection with the church yeah appreciate that Life Church church yeah appreciate that Life Church church yeah appreciate that Life Church has been in existence for 63 years and

has been in existence for 63 years and has been in existence for 63 years and I've had the privilege of serving as a I've had the privilege of serving as a I've had the privilege of serving as a lead pastor for 13 of those years so an lead pastor for 13 of those years so an lead pastor for 13 of those years so an historical church we're part of the historical church we're part of the historical church we're part of the Assemblies of God and have just got a Assemblies of God and have just got a Assemblies of God and have just got a great I guess you would say kind of a great I guess you would say kind of a great I guess you would say kind of a name and presence in our community a lot name and presence in our community a lot name and presence in our community a lot of rich history here strong missions of rich history here strong missions of rich history here strong missions minded church and when I arrived just minded church and when I arrived just minded church and when I arrived just was thankful for the opportunity to was thankful for the opportunity to was thankful for the opportunity to serve in this capacity I'd been here in serve in this capacity I'd been here in serve in this capacity I'd been here in Atlanta for about eight years prior to Atlanta for about eight years prior to Atlanta for about eight years prior to that but really was unfamiliar with this that but really was unfamiliar with this that but really was unfamiliar with this side of town we were over on the side of town we were over on the side of town we were over on the opposite side of town and so I was kind opposite side of town and so I was kind opposite side of town and so I was kind of a like the church was kind of a blank of a like the church was kind of a blank of a like the church was kind of a blank slate once I started interviewing with slate once I started interviewing with slate once I started interviewing with the board and those types of things but the board and those types of things but the board and those types of things but just knew from information just knew from information just knew from information new from just getting connected here was new from just getting connected here was new from just getting connected here was a real healthy Church great pastors a real healthy Church great pastors a real healthy Church great pastors before me only four out of those 50 before me only four out of those 50 before me only four out of those 50 years so they had long tenure pastors years so they had long tenure pastors years so they had long tenure pastors and Smyrna itself is a suburb of suburb and Smyrna itself is a suburb of suburb and Smyrna itself is a suburb of suburb of the Atlanta metro and has been of the Atlanta metro and has been of the Atlanta metro and has been continuing to see growth over the years continuing to see growth over the years continuing to see growth over the years and you know being here at this church and you know being here at this church and you know being here at this church was a real exciting time and I arrived was a real exciting time and I arrived was a real exciting time and I arrived and realized that it was a healthy and realized that it was a healthy and realized that it was a healthy Church strong-minded church but realize Church strong-minded church but realize Church strong-minded church but realize that there were some things that we that there were some things that we that there were some things that we could do better I think to really reach could do better I think to really reach could do better I think to really reach our community and that's kind of what our community and that's kind of what our community and that's kind of what started the journey but if somebody was started the journey but if somebody was started the journey but if somebody was showing up on Sunday today it'd be a lot showing up on Sunday today it'd be a lot showing up on Sunday today it'd be a lot different than 13 years ago in that 13 different than 13 years ago in that 13 different than 13 years ago in that 13 years ago we were pretty almost years ago we were pretty almost years ago we were pretty almost exclusively Caucasian fellowship right exclusively Caucasian fellowship right exclusively Caucasian fellowship right oh and really within about a year not do oh and really within about a year not do oh and really within about a year not do anything idea to we did but God just

anything idea to we did but God just anything idea to we did but God just begin to transform our church to look begin to transform our church to look begin to transform our church to look like our city and so uh very quickly we like our city and so uh very quickly we like our city and so uh very quickly we became multi-cultural became hot younger became multi-cultural became hot younger became multi-cultural became hot younger and again those were things that at and again those were things that at and again those were things that at least from a human involvement were least from a human involvement were least from a human involvement were accidental and i would say God work accidental and i would say God work accidental and i would say God work afraid to them but we didn't do anything afraid to them but we didn't do anything afraid to them but we didn't do anything necessarily really what did God use necessarily really what did God use necessarily really what did God use though he must have used something to though he must have used something to though he must have used something to make you know to make that change was make you know to make that change was make you know to make that change was there just you know certain there just you know certain there just you know certain relationships just kind of started to relationships just kind of started to relationships just kind of started to shift or what what took ya in fact the shift or what what took ya in fact the shift or what what took ya in fact the previous pastor asked me I had him previous pastor asked me I had him previous pastor asked me I had him preach for me on a Sunday about a year preach for me on a Sunday about a year preach for me on a Sunday about a year after I've gotten here and he wanted to after I've gotten here and he wanted to after I've gotten here and he wanted to know how did that happen in a year right know how did that happen in a year right know how did that happen in a year right because pastored for five years and his because pastored for five years and his because pastored for five years and his dad pastored before him for 31 years oh dad pastored before him for 31 years oh dad pastored before him for 31 years oh wow so it was just a part of I think of wow so it was just a part of I think of wow so it was just a part of I think of the community changing over time yep and the community changing over time yep and the community changing over time yep and like a lot of suburbs head started out like a lot of suburbs head started out like a lot of suburbs head started out really as Caucasian areas at least here really as Caucasian areas at least here really as Caucasian areas at least here in the south but it come very in the south but it come very in the south but it come very multicultural and so within about a year multicultural and so within about a year multicultural and so within about a year we begin to see this influx of folks and we begin to see this influx of folks and we begin to see this influx of folks and so now if you walked in there's there's so now if you walked in there's there's so now if you walked in there's there's not a real close majority of anybody not a real close majority of anybody not a real close majority of anybody we're probably 35 or so nations and we're probably 35 or so nations and we're probably 35 or so nations and countries in the church Wow and cool countries in the church Wow and cool countries in the church Wow and cool just look like our city look like just look like our city look like just look like our city look like Atlanta and I think and alway kind of Atlanta and I think and alway kind of Atlanta and I think and alway kind of look a little bit like Evan path very look a little bit like Evan path very look a little bit like Evan path very cool now what part of its or agile yep cool now what part of its or agile yep cool now what part of its or agile yep casually up yeah yeah very cool now one casually up yeah yeah very cool now one casually up yeah yeah very cool now one of the things you said is you know of the things you said is you know of the things you said is you know obviously heavy kind of mission support obviously heavy kind of mission support obviously heavy kind of mission support you know you know you know and and I don't know whether that would and and I don't know whether that would and and I don't know whether that would you say that's a traditional value of you say that's a traditional value of you say that's a traditional value of you know the assemblers of god churches you know the assemblers of god churches you know the assemblers of god churches you know really kind of heavy into you you know really kind of heavy into you you know really kind of heavy into you know missions particularly foreign but

know missions particularly foreign but know missions particularly foreign but then what was going on you know locally then what was going on you know locally then what was going on you know locally as it looked to reach out you know to as it looked to reach out you know to as it looked to reach out you know to Smyrna great question rich yeah I would Smyrna great question rich yeah I would Smyrna great question rich yeah I would say the Assemblies of God in our say the Assemblies of God in our say the Assemblies of God in our heritage starting back in the early heritage starting back in the early heritage starting back in the early 1900's really were founded with a strong 1900's really were founded with a strong 1900's really were founded with a strong emphasis on taking the gospel around the emphasis on taking the gospel around the emphasis on taking the gospel around the world and so that's continued on I think world and so that's continued on I think world and so that's continued on I think we're probably one of not be not be but we're probably one of not be not be but we're probably one of not be not be but one of the leading fellowships of one of the leading fellowships of one of the leading fellowships of churches as we would prefer to call to churches as we would prefer to call to churches as we would prefer to call to ourselves in supporting missions ourselves in supporting missions ourselves in supporting missions nationally and internationally and our nationally and internationally and our nationally and internationally and our church really took the heart of missions church really took the heart of missions church really took the heart of missions on with the the pastor two guys before on with the the pastor two guys before on with the the pastor two guys before me as he introduced the concept to our me as he introduced the concept to our me as he introduced the concept to our church and so by God's grace and into church and so by God's grace and into church and so by God's grace and into the congregation's credit we've been for the congregation's credit we've been for the congregation's credit we've been for many many years and about the top three many many years and about the top three many many years and about the top three to five percent of Ag churches in the to five percent of Ag churches in the to five percent of Ag churches in the nation when it comes to supporting nation when it comes to supporting nation when it comes to supporting missions it's just been a really missions it's just been a really missions it's just been a really ingrained in our DNA but the part that I ingrained in our DNA but the part that I ingrained in our DNA but the part that I saw that oftentimes is the case with saw that oftentimes is the case with saw that oftentimes is the case with historical churches is that we were historical churches is that we were historical churches is that we were doing I think a pretty good job of doing I think a pretty good job of doing I think a pretty good job of holding hands singing Kumbaya on our holding hands singing Kumbaya on our holding hands singing Kumbaya on our campus providing ministry and we were campus providing ministry and we were campus providing ministry and we were doing an exceptional job of supporting doing an exceptional job of supporting doing an exceptional job of supporting missions all around the world now they missions all around the world now they missions all around the world now they support us some locally but man we were support us some locally but man we were support us some locally but man we were just missing our Jerusalem and that's just missing our Jerusalem and that's just missing our Jerusalem and that's what started this journey of what we now what started this journey of what we now what started this journey of what we now call community partnerships and I just call community partnerships and I just call community partnerships and I just saw a great opportunity with rewrite saw a great opportunity with rewrite saw a great opportunity with rewrite next door right out my window is a next door right out my window is a next door right out my window is a middle school and so when I arrived I middle school and so when I arrived I middle school and so when I arrived I asked the youth pastor that was serving asked the youth pastor that was serving asked the youth pastor that was serving at the time I said what's our at the time I said what's our at the time I said what's our relationship with this middle school and

relationship with this middle school and relationship with this middle school and he said next door neighbors kind of us he said next door neighbors kind of us he said next door neighbors kind of us yeah he had only been for about a year yeah he had only been for about a year yeah he had only been for about a year at the time and so discovered he had at the time and so discovered he had at the time and so discovered he had been on campus through FCA and some been on campus through FCA and some been on campus through FCA and some things well we got an invitation or an things well we got an invitation or an things well we got an invitation or an opportunity to meet with the principal opportunity to meet with the principal opportunity to meet with the principal and just reached out and started saying and just reached out and started saying and just reached out and started saying hey we're next-door neighbors were in hey we're next-door neighbors were in hey we're next-door neighbors were in the same community how can we serve you the same community how can we serve you the same community how can we serve you in the school and Richie was taken back in the school and Richie was taken back in the school and Richie was taken back he said you know nobody's really ever he said you know nobody's really ever he said you know nobody's really ever asked me that Wow and yet see is that in asked me that Wow and yet see is that in asked me that Wow and yet see is that in this community now smart ourselves about this community now smart ourselves about this community now smart ourselves about 55,000 people it's swallowed up in the 55,000 people it's swallowed up in the 55,000 people it's swallowed up in the Atlanta metro with Atlanta metro with Atlanta metro with millions but this is a small community millions but this is a small community millions but this is a small community in Atlanta metro where you can get to in Atlanta metro where you can get to in Atlanta metro where you can get to know key leaders whether it be school know key leaders whether it be school know key leaders whether it be school officials or governmental officials officials or governmental officials officials or governmental officials business leaders those types of folks business leaders those types of folks business leaders those types of folks and Ford some really cool relationships and Ford some really cool relationships and Ford some really cool relationships and what we've discovered is that by and what we've discovered is that by and what we've discovered is that by intentionally getting out of our intentionally getting out of our intentionally getting out of our building it into our community and building it into our community and building it into our community and building those relationships we're able building those relationships we're able building those relationships we're able to and we use the phrase earn the right to and we use the phrase earn the right to and we use the phrase earn the right to be heard through serving and so to be heard through serving and so to be heard through serving and so that's a phrase that we borrowed from that's a phrase that we borrowed from that's a phrase that we borrowed from Pastor Mike Lynch up at northlake rake Pastor Mike Lynch up at northlake rake Pastor Mike Lynch up at northlake rake grads a great Church great leader for grads a great Church great leader for grads a great Church great leader for sure and just realize that you know sure and just realize that you know sure and just realize that you know that's the model that God wants us to that's the model that God wants us to that's the model that God wants us to use to really begin to impact our city use to really begin to impact our city use to really begin to impact our city more and so that's where it started was more and so that's where it started was more and so that's where it started was with the middle school and then a with the middle school and then a with the middle school and then a Mexican restaurant that we die and Mexican restaurant that we die and Mexican restaurant that we die and infrequently we're to learn now we've infrequently we're to learn now we've infrequently we're to learn now we've got I think 35 36 community partners Wow got I think 35 36 community partners Wow got I think 35 36 community partners Wow seems with whom we as we stay at hold seems with whom we as we stay at hold seems with whom we as we stay at hold hands through shared values we host hands through shared values we host hands through shared values we host events we volunteer in their

events we volunteer in their events we volunteer in their organizations we provide funding on organizations we provide funding on organizations we provide funding on occasion that's not part of it it's the occasion that's not part of it it's the occasion that's not part of it it's the relational part of it what we've learned relational part of it what we've learned relational part of it what we've learned is it's just hard for folks to say no to is it's just hard for folks to say no to is it's just hard for folks to say no to genuine love and concern and an interest genuine love and concern and an interest genuine love and concern and an interest in what they're doing and that's the key in what they're doing and that's the key in what they're doing and that's the key and so you know much like foreign and so you know much like foreign and so you know much like foreign missionaries good language school so missionaries good language school so missionaries good language school so they can learn how to communicate with they can learn how to communicate with they can learn how to communicate with people this is our language school it people this is our language school it people this is our language school it gives us out of a building out of gives us out of a building out of gives us out of a building out of christian ease into our community christian ease into our community christian ease into our community finding out where is their heartbeat finding out where is their heartbeat finding out where is their heartbeat what are their needs and then can we do what are their needs and then can we do what are their needs and then can we do something about that can we help in some something about that can we help in some something about that can we help in some way and because we're in the same way and because we're in the same way and because we're in the same community men there are so many overlaps community men there are so many overlaps community men there are so many overlaps between the local church and businesses between the local church and businesses between the local church and businesses or government or schools or homeschool or government or schools or homeschool or government or schools or homeschool networks or scouting groups that there's networks or scouting groups that there's networks or scouting groups that there's just such a wonderful opportunity that I just such a wonderful opportunity that I just such a wonderful opportunity that I think really is a is a model that can be think really is a is a model that can be think really is a is a model that can be replicated anywhere in the world in fact replicated anywhere in the world in fact replicated anywhere in the world in fact when we were in Canada couple weeks ago when we were in Canada couple weeks ago when we were in Canada couple weeks ago that's a part of that Ernie was we did that's a part of that Ernie was we did that's a part of that Ernie was we did pastors roundtables with about 50 or 60 pastors roundtables with about 50 or 60 pastors roundtables with about 50 or 60 pastors to teach on this and I think it pastors to teach on this and I think it pastors to teach on this and I think it can be used similarly anywhere but you can be used similarly anywhere but you can be used similarly anywhere but you know you don't 30-6 you start with one know you don't 30-6 you start with one know you don't 30-6 you start with one yeah absolutely do you have the ability yeah absolutely do you have the ability yeah absolutely do you have the ability to branch out you go from there to branch out you go from there to branch out you go from there absolutely well let's dig into that absolutely well let's dig into that absolutely well let's dig into that let's say you know I think this is one let's say you know I think this is one let's say you know I think this is one of those areas where I would hope that of those areas where I would hope that of those areas where I would hope that as church leaders are listening in there as church leaders are listening in there as church leaders are listening in there saying man that's the kind of church I saying man that's the kind of church I saying man that's the kind of church I want to lead want to lead want to lead I don't want to lead a church where I don't want to lead a church where I don't want to lead a church where we're like this walled fortress and it's we're like this walled fortress and it's we're like this walled fortress and it's like we don't have any connection with like we don't have any connection with like we don't have any connection with the community I think a lot of people the community I think a lot of people the community I think a lot of people who tuned in want to have those kind of who tuned in want to have those kind of who tuned in want to have those kind of relationships but they don't know where relationships but they don't know where relationships but they don't know where to start where do you coach or recommend to start where do you coach or recommend to start where do you coach or recommend church leaders start how do you even

church leaders start how do you even church leaders start how do you even start those kind of dialogues great start those kind of dialogues great start those kind of dialogues great question uh where we started as I question uh where we started as I question uh where we started as I mentioned the middle school was because mentioned the middle school was because mentioned the middle school was because we're literally our properties joint we're literally our properties joint we're literally our properties joint risk it's almost like going to your risk it's almost like going to your risk it's almost like going to your next-door neighbor in your neighborhood next-door neighbor in your neighborhood next-door neighbor in your neighborhood or your townhome or your apartment or your townhome or your apartment or your townhome or your apartment complex and just shaking hands saying complex and just shaking hands saying complex and just shaking hands saying hello yeah and so you know rich i think hello yeah and so you know rich i think hello yeah and so you know rich i think as we all read the scripture what we as we all read the scripture what we as we all read the scripture what we really see is that everything is about really see is that everything is about really see is that everything is about relationship you know Jesus is the groom relationship you know Jesus is the groom relationship you know Jesus is the groom and the church is the Bride and we've and the church is the Bride and we've and the church is the Bride and we've got a Heavenly Father we're brothers and got a Heavenly Father we're brothers and got a Heavenly Father we're brothers and sisters everything about the church is sisters everything about the church is sisters everything about the church is relational and so when we take that relational and so when we take that relational and so when we take that model and we intentionally don't call model and we intentionally don't call model and we intentionally don't call these community outreach programs or our these community outreach programs or our these community outreach programs or our community evangelistic projects or community evangelistic projects or community evangelistic projects or whatever its community partnerships whatever its community partnerships whatever its community partnerships because partnership implies we're because partnership implies we're because partnership implies we're getting together or continuous you getting together or continuous you getting together or continuous you usually for the benefit of the community usually for the benefit of the community usually for the benefit of the community and so the questions you ask is well how and so the questions you ask is well how and so the questions you ask is well how do you kind of start that well what I do you kind of start that well what I do you kind of start that well what I encourage pastors to do is just look at encourage pastors to do is just look at encourage pastors to do is just look at the places where they frequent for the places where they frequent for the places where they frequent for example the second community partnership example the second community partnership example the second community partnership that we developed was at our favorite that we developed was at our favorite that we developed was at our favorite mexican restaurant yeah let me everybody mexican restaurant yeah let me everybody mexican restaurant yeah let me everybody my tell me about that that was so cool my tell me about that that was so cool my tell me about that that was so cool we've been here about six months I guess we've been here about six months I guess we've been here about six months I guess and missing our dining in there one day and missing our dining in there one day and missing our dining in there one day and I told her I said honey I think God and I told her I said honey I think God and I told her I said honey I think God just spoke to me over my fajitas oh just spoke to me over my fajitas oh just spoke to me over my fajitas oh those are good fajitas I'm telling today those are good fajitas I'm telling today those are good fajitas I'm telling today I felt I said you know there are two I felt I said you know there are two I felt I said you know there are two things that I believe God just spoke things that I believe God just spoke things that I believe God just spoke about that he wants to see happen here about that he wants to see happen here about that he wants to see happen here the first thing was I said I want to the first thing was I said I want to the first thing was I said I want to talk to the owner and we'd never met and talk to the owner and we'd never met and talk to the owner and we'd never met and say would you create like a day of the say would you create like a day of the say would you create like a day of the week or a night of the month or week or a night of the month or week or a night of the month or something where we can encourage our something where we can encourage our something where we can encourage our church folks to come dine and maybe he'd

church folks to come dine and maybe he'd church folks to come dine and maybe he'd give them i don't know free soft drink give them i don't know free soft drink give them i don't know free soft drink ten percent off whatever and she said ten percent off whatever and she said ten percent off whatever and she said you think he'll do that and enrich i was you think he'll do that and enrich i was you think he'll do that and enrich i was in both wholesale and retail before in both wholesale and retail before in both wholesale and retail before being in the ministry and I said being in the ministry and I said being in the ministry and I said absolutely any business owner would love absolutely any business owner would love absolutely any business owner would love for somebody to be pushing people to for somebody to be pushing people to for somebody to be pushing people to their business yeah I said he'll do their business yeah I said he'll do their business yeah I said he'll do something i said but that's not what i something i said but that's not what i something i said but that's not what i really want she said what he really really want she said what he really really want she said what he really wanted the next thing i really want is wanted the next thing i really want is wanted the next thing i really want is that we could become a significant that we could become a significant that we could become a significant influence in his business serving he and influence in his business serving he and influence in his business serving he and his employees and so his employees and so his employees and so set up a meeting with the owner the next set up a meeting with the owner the next set up a meeting with the owner the next Monday I did win in met max and I he Monday I did win in met max and I he Monday I did win in met max and I he said hey look my wife's already told me said hey look my wife's already told me said hey look my wife's already told me about the idea let's not do one day or about the idea let's not do one day or about the idea let's not do one day or one night or whatever just tell the one night or whatever just tell the one night or whatever just tell the church folks when they die here tell us church folks when they die here tell us church folks when they die here tell us when they're paying their bill he said when they're paying their bill he said when they're paying their bill he said we'll put that receipt in a box and he we'll put that receipt in a box and he we'll put that receipt in a box and he said pastor if it's okay I'd love to said pastor if it's okay I'd love to said pastor if it's okay I'd love to send the church ten percent of send the church ten percent of send the church ten percent of everything that the church members spend everything that the church members spend everything that the church members spend here would that be okay I said max that here would that be okay I said max that here would that be okay I said max that would be great that's kind of yeah and would be great that's kind of yeah and would be great that's kind of yeah and now rich i'll be honest i didn't think now rich i'll be honest i didn't think now rich i'll be honest i didn't think about that i wasn't any had that in my about that i wasn't any had that in my about that i wasn't any had that in my mind and I didn't know if that'd be five mind and I didn't know if that'd be five mind and I didn't know if that'd be five dollars or fifty dollars right right but dollars or fifty dollars right right but dollars or fifty dollars right right but honestly it became thousands and honestly it became thousands and honestly it became thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars that thousands and thousands of dollars that thousands and thousands of dollars that he was sending to our church on an he was sending to our church on an he was sending to our church on an annual basis as a way of saying thank annual basis as a way of saying thank annual basis as a way of saying thank you and that blew my mind but that was you and that blew my mind but that was you and that blew my mind but that was never in my mind it wasn't about that I never in my mind it wasn't about that I never in my mind it wasn't about that I didn't know that was going to happen didn't know that was going to happen didn't know that was going to happen that day so the next thing I said was that day so the next thing I said was that day so the next thing I said was this I said max I'm looking at your menu this I said max I'm looking at your menu this I said max I'm looking at your menu and looks like you on you have seven and looks like you on you have seven and looks like you on you have seven restaurants he said yeah my family and I restaurants he said yeah my family and I restaurants he said yeah my family and I do I said well max I'm sure you have an do I said well max I'm sure you have an do I said well max I'm sure you have an accountant for you know financial issues accountant for you know financial issues accountant for you know financial issues and stuff he said sure and I said I'm and stuff he said sure and I said I'm and stuff he said sure and I said I'm sure you have an attorney for legal

sure you have an attorney for legal sure you have an attorney for legal issues and he said well certainly I said issues and he said well certainly I said issues and he said well certainly I said well max if you don't have this next well max if you don't have this next well max if you don't have this next thing I'd love to provide this for you thing I'd love to provide this for you thing I'd love to provide this for you if you would like he said what's that I if you would like he said what's that I if you would like he said what's that I said if you don't have a pastor for your said if you don't have a pastor for your said if you don't have a pastor for your business I'd love to make that available business I'd love to make that available business I'd love to make that available in rich he's set back in his booth and in rich he's set back in his booth and in rich he's set back in his booth and he looked at me kind of sideways and i he looked at me kind of sideways and i he looked at me kind of sideways and i bought shouldn't go well and then max bought shouldn't go well and then max bought shouldn't go well and then max said what do you mean I said well max said what do you mean I said well max said what do you mean I said well max here's the way I think about it you've here's the way I think about it you've here's the way I think about it you've got employees they've got problems in got employees they've got problems in got employees they've got problems in their families their homes are falling their families their homes are falling their families their homes are falling apart the kids are driving them crazy apart the kids are driving them crazy apart the kids are driving them crazy whatever's going on if you don't have whatever's going on if you don't have whatever's going on if you don't have somebody that could help your employees somebody that could help your employees somebody that could help your employees with that they're always bringing that with that they're always bringing that with that they're always bringing that to work aren't that he said every day to work aren't that he said every day to work aren't that he said every day and I said it affects you as a business and I said it affects you as a business and I said it affects you as a business owner he said yeah listen max if you owner he said yeah listen max if you owner he said yeah listen max if you don't have that I'd love to provide it don't have that I'd love to provide it don't have that I'd love to provide it and he leaned back again he looked at me and he leaned back again he looked at me and he leaned back again he looked at me and he said pastor you would do that for and he said pastor you would do that for and he said pastor you would do that for me i said i'd love to max so he said me i said i'd love to max so he said me i said i'd love to max so he said well would you start holding a one-hour well would you start holding a one-hour well would you start holding a one-hour mass every monday for me and my mass every monday for me and my mass every monday for me and my employees before we open up and I'm like employees before we open up and I'm like employees before we open up and I'm like dude you call it what you want we'll be dude you call it what you want we'll be dude you call it what you want we'll be there and so we started doing a one hour there and so we started doing a one hour there and so we started doing a one hour bible study for max and his employees he bible study for max and his employees he bible study for max and his employees he told me that day he said I want my boys told me that day he said I want my boys told me that day he said I want my boys to know what I know he said I'm a to know what I know he said I'm a to know what I know he said I'm a believer I just don't really know how to believer I just don't really know how to believer I just don't really know how to tell them and Rich I'll tell you on the tell them and Rich I'll tell you on the tell them and Rich I'll tell you on the third monday in his business max angel third monday in his business max angel third monday in his business max angel received Jesus Christ as his Lord and received Jesus Christ as his Lord and received Jesus Christ as his Lord and say he made a commitment to follow say he made a commitment to follow say he made a commitment to follow Christ what we learned is when he said Christ what we learned is when he said Christ what we learned is when he said I'm a file I'm a believer was I'm I'm a file I'm a believer was I'm I'm a file I'm a believer was I'm believing in this gospel and I know that believing in this gospel and I know that believing in this gospel and I know that it's what's important to me he said but it's what's important to me he said but it's what's important to me he said but he personally took that step of faith he personally took that step of faith he personally took that step of faith and listen we've got that 13 years

and listen we've got that 13 years and listen we've got that 13 years invested in their missing I were dying invested in their missing I were dying invested in their missing I were dying and there yesterday sometimes we'll eat and there yesterday sometimes we'll eat and there yesterday sometimes we'll eat there three or four times a week anyway there three or four times a week anyway there three or four times a week anyway against the story it's just about against the story it's just about against the story it's just about building relationships now everybody may building relationships now everybody may building relationships now everybody may not want to use that model you have an not want to use that model you have an not want to use that model you have an attorney having a comment but do you attorney having a comment but do you attorney having a comment but do you have a pastor but there's some way to have a pastor but there's some way to have a pastor but there's some way to connect with that restaurant that school connect with that restaurant that school connect with that restaurant that school that nursing home that homeschool that nursing home that homeschool that nursing home that homeschool network and so that's the way it started network and so that's the way it started network and so that's the way it started for us and look I'm not smart enough to for us and look I'm not smart enough to for us and look I'm not smart enough to have already plotted all this out it was have already plotted all this out it was have already plotted all this out it was just the way they got to get to unfold just the way they got to get to unfold just the way they got to get to unfold for us and so it went from a middle for us and so it went from a middle for us and so it went from a middle school to a Mexican restaurant and then school to a Mexican restaurant and then school to a Mexican restaurant and then now rich i'll just tell you man we are now rich i'll just tell you man we are now rich i'll just tell you man we are deeply embedded in our community and deeply embedded in our community and deeply embedded in our community and with according to i love that i hope i with according to i love that i hope i with according to i love that i hope i did not know that's where that story was did not know that's where that story was did not know that's where that story was going that is incredible that i think a going that is incredible that i think a going that is incredible that i think a lot of times we think of the school lot of times we think of the school lot of times we think of the school thing we think okay I can see how that thing we think okay I can see how that thing we think okay I can see how that could work you know there's you know could work you know there's you know could work you know there's you know they have some needs but I love even they have some needs but I love even they have some needs but I love even your I want to underline for people your I want to underline for people your I want to underline for people you're saying hey how can I help you you're saying hey how can I help you you're saying hey how can I help you you're you're coming with you know a you're you're coming with you know a you're you're coming with you know a towel over your arm and you're saying towel over your arm and you're saying towel over your arm and you're saying hey what can we do to help you and hey what can we do to help you and hey what can we do to help you and that's that just has the fragrance of that's that just has the fragrance of that's that just has the fragrance of Christ to it that has the kind of thing Christ to it that has the kind of thing Christ to it that has the kind of thing that you know draws people in in our that you know draws people in in our that you know draws people in in our church we had asked our campus pastors church we had asked our campus pastors church we had asked our campus pastors to do a similar kind of thing we asked to do a similar kind of thing we asked to do a similar kind of thing we asked them to go and I've shared this story them to go and I've shared this story them to go and I've shared this story another podcast but so I apologize if another podcast but so I apologize if another podcast but so I apologize if you heard it before but you know we said you heard it before but you know we said you heard it before but you know we said hey try to get to kind of the highest hey try to get to kind of the highest hey try to get to kind of the highest elected official you can get to in your elected official you can get to in your elected official you can get to in your town if you can get to the mayor great town if you can get to the mayor great town if you can get to the mayor great but if not that like maybe school board but if not that like maybe school board but if not that like maybe school board you know chairman or something like that

you know chairman or something like that you know chairman or something like that and so in one of the town's our campus and so in one of the town's our campus and so in one of the town's our campus pastor went and and they're all they pastor went and and they're all they pastor went and and they're all they were supposed to do is was to go and say were supposed to do is was to go and say were supposed to do is was to go and say this hey we've got X number of this hey we've got X number of this hey we've got X number of volunteers maybe 200 volunteers and we volunteers maybe 200 volunteers and we volunteers maybe 200 volunteers and we want to volunteer an entire day doing want to volunteer an entire day doing want to volunteer an entire day doing something in in your town and we've got something in in your town and we've got something in in your town and we've got X number of dollars that will spend X number of dollars that will spend X number of dollars that will spend doing it so it literally won't cost you doing it so it literally won't cost you doing it so it literally won't cost you anything how can we help what are anything how can we help what are anything how can we help what are needs you know for in your community and needs you know for in your community and needs you know for in your community and one of the mayor's similar experience we one of the mayor's similar experience we one of the mayor's similar experience we were experience with Max leaned back in were experience with Max leaned back in were experience with Max leaned back in his chair and said I've never been asked his chair and said I've never been asked his chair and said I've never been asked that before I I and no one has ever said that before I I and no one has ever said that before I I and no one has ever said anything like that to me people are anything like that to me people are anything like that to me people are always coming to me asking for things always coming to me asking for things always coming to me asking for things and I and and so he's like I I don't and I and and so he's like I I don't and I and and so he's like I I don't want to answer now because I want to want to answer now because I want to want to answer now because I want to think about it and which was amazing and think about it and which was amazing and think about it and which was amazing and then what happened about two weeks later then what happened about two weeks later then what happened about two weeks later this mayor and I won't use their name this mayor and I won't use their name this mayor and I won't use their name but this mayor was you know a known as a but this mayor was you know a known as a but this mayor was you know a known as a pretty um you know a pretty forceful pretty um you know a pretty forceful pretty um you know a pretty forceful spirit let's say you know pretty not spirit let's say you know pretty not spirit let's say you know pretty not necessarily I don't know where they're necessarily I don't know where they're necessarily I don't know where they're at with Jesus yeah but two weeks later at with Jesus yeah but two weeks later at with Jesus yeah but two weeks later we get a thousand-dollar check from the we get a thousand-dollar check from the we get a thousand-dollar check from the mayor personally to the church and and mayor personally to the church and and mayor personally to the church and and and a note saying I don't know what is and a note saying I don't know what is and a note saying I don't know what is going on with your church uh but I do I going on with your church uh but I do I going on with your church uh but I do I want to support it I I think what you're want to support it I I think what you're want to support it I I think what you're doing is is amazing and that's begun a doing is is amazing and that's begun a doing is is amazing and that's begun a relationship that now you know we're relationship that now you know we're relationship that now you know we're five six years in on that and I've done five six years in on that and I've done five six years in on that and I've done all kinds of good in that community all kinds of good in that community all kinds of good in that community because you know working and like you because you know working and like you because you know working and like you say leading with how can I help you how

say leading with how can I help you how say leading with how can I help you how can I serve you you know for sure now I can I serve you you know for sure now I can I serve you you know for sure now I have you what would you say let's talk have you what would you say let's talk have you what would you say let's talk about the other side of this I'm sure about the other side of this I'm sure about the other side of this I'm sure some of these the you know there's been some of these the you know there's been some of these the you know there's been ones that have gone well I'm sure ones that have gone well I'm sure ones that have gone well I'm sure there's something that maybe hasn't gone there's something that maybe hasn't gone there's something that maybe hasn't gone well have you learned through that well have you learned through that well have you learned through that process or like hey maybe you know process or like hey maybe you know process or like hey maybe you know here's a you know a few bumps and here's a you know a few bumps and here's a you know a few bumps and scrapes along the way some potholes that scrapes along the way some potholes that scrapes along the way some potholes that people could avoid as they think about people could avoid as they think about people could avoid as they think about community partnerships you know I tell community partnerships you know I tell community partnerships you know I tell you you would expect the answer that to you you would expect the answer that to you you would expect the answer that to be yes but I just got to tell you man be yes but I just got to tell you man be yes but I just got to tell you man these have gone so amazingly well there these have gone so amazingly well there these have gone so amazingly well there have been very few wrinkles that have have been very few wrinkles that have have been very few wrinkles that have come along yeah and what we're come along yeah and what we're come along yeah and what we're discovering is when you lead with that discovering is when you lead with that discovering is when you lead with that basically the question comes down basically the question comes down basically the question comes down however you phrase it is how can we however you phrase it is how can we however you phrase it is how can we serve you and your organization as you serve you and your organization as you serve you and your organization as you experience it as you campus pastor did experience it as you campus pastor did experience it as you campus pastor did people custom to the church asking that people custom to the church asking that people custom to the church asking that question what they're accustomed to is question what they're accustomed to is question what they're accustomed to is the church saying to the grocery store the church saying to the grocery store the church saying to the grocery store down the road hey we're having an event down the road hey we're having an event down the road hey we're having an event can you give us free hot dogs or you can you give us free hot dogs or you can you give us free hot dogs or you give us something when you turn that give us something when you turn that give us something when you turn that around and say how can we give to you around and say how can we give to you around and say how can we give to you how can we serve you sometimes people how can we serve you sometimes people how can we serve you sometimes people don't know how to respond so as we've don't know how to respond so as we've don't know how to respond so as we've done that we haven't had any done that we haven't had any done that we haven't had any Aereo that I can even remember right Aereo that I can even remember right Aereo that I can even remember right over there one of our partners has asked over there one of our partners has asked over there one of our partners has asked something from us that was unreasonable something from us that was unreasonable something from us that was unreasonable in fact what started out with my wife in fact what started out with my wife in fact what started out with my wife Missy and I being the liaison with these Missy and I being the liaison with these Missy and I being the liaison with these organizations as we had just a few of organizations as we had just a few of organizations as we had just a few of them once they really begin to take off them once they really begin to take off them once they really begin to take off I had to assign to all the pastoral and I had to assign to all the pastoral and I had to assign to all the pastoral and administrative staff to them to become administrative staff to them to become administrative staff to them to become liaisons with organizations and what I liaisons with organizations and what I liaisons with organizations and what I told them is this when one of our told them is this when one of our told them is this when one of our organizations one of our community

organizations one of our community organizations one of our community partner says can you the answer is partner says can you the answer is partner says can you the answer is always yes right I said it may be yes we always yes right I said it may be yes we always yes right I said it may be yes we want to do something we can't do all of want to do something we can't do all of want to do something we can't do all of that we may be like Peter thought on the that we may be like Peter thought on the that we may be like Peter thought on the way to the temple actually we're broke way to the temple actually we're broke way to the temple actually we're broke we got no money but what we can do is we got no money but what we can do is we got no money but what we can do is this yeah we mean to meet the entire this yeah we mean to meet the entire this yeah we mean to meet the entire need but if they decide to cross that need but if they decide to cross that need but if they decide to cross that bridge between the church in the bridge between the church in the bridge between the church in the community on their terms 24 hours a day community on their terms 24 hours a day community on their terms 24 hours a day seven days a week when they take that seven days a week when they take that seven days a week when they take that step and ask can you we're going to say step and ask can you we're going to say step and ask can you we're going to say yes and we're going to say we'll either yes and we're going to say we'll either yes and we're going to say we'll either do it personally Oh we'll find another do it personally Oh we'll find another do it personally Oh we'll find another partner if we can't pull that off partner if we can't pull that off partner if we can't pull that off ourselves and so what we find ourselves and so what we find ourselves and so what we find relationally rich is that we don't have relationally rich is that we don't have relationally rich is that we don't have those big pot holes or those big men those big pot holes or those big men those big pot holes or those big men this just didn't work out thing because this just didn't work out thing because this just didn't work out thing because it's based on relationships and as we're it's based on relationships and as we're it's based on relationships and as we're going through it some of those partners going through it some of those partners going through it some of those partners have now turned around and when they have now turned around and when they have now turned around and when they find out things we're doing like a big find out things we're doing like a big find out things we're doing like a big tree fall festival a big fight what we tree fall festival a big fight what we tree fall festival a big fight what we do is a fire truck egg drop every year do is a fire truck egg drop every year do is a fire truck egg drop every year other than the chaplain with the fire other than the chaplain with the fire other than the chaplain with the fire department of the chapter with the department of the chapter with the department of the chapter with the police department and so we've got all police department and so we've got all police department and so we've got all these great relationships you know in these great relationships you know in these great relationships you know in that regard but when they our partners that regard but when they our partners that regard but when they our partners find out we're doing things they'll come find out we're doing things they'll come find out we're doing things they'll come to us and say how can we support that to us and say how can we support that to us and say how can we support that can we volunteer can we donate money can we volunteer can we donate money can we volunteer can we donate money that reciprocal side of that honestly that reciprocal side of that honestly that reciprocal side of that honestly rich I never thought about when we rich I never thought about when we rich I never thought about when we started this so when Mack started started this so when Mack started started this so when Mack started blessing our church when one of our blessing our church when one of our blessing our church when one of our partners and I were at lunch a few years partners and I were at lunch a few years partners and I were at lunch a few years ago and he said look what can we do for ago and he said look what can we do for ago and he said look what can we do for you best I said just allowing us to you best I said just allowing us to you best I said just allowing us to serve you in your organization he said serve you in your organization he said serve you in your organization he said oh no no that's not how you're not oh no no that's not how you're not oh no no that's not how you're not getting off that easy yeah it said look

getting off that easy yeah it said look getting off that easy yeah it said look I'll make it easy for you you got your I'll make it easy for you you got your I'll make it easy for you you got your fall festival coming up you've invited fall festival coming up you've invited fall festival coming up you've invited me in 180 or whatever employees and me in 180 or whatever employees and me in 180 or whatever employees and families to come it's free right yeah families to come it's free right yeah families to come it's free right yeah everything's free pony rides video game everything's free pony rides video game everything's free pony rides video game truck games Rises food everything's free truck games Rises food everything's free truck games Rises food everything's free right yes it's free he said that cost right yes it's free he said that cost right yes it's free he said that cost you doesn't it acid well certainly you doesn't it acid well certainly you doesn't it acid well certainly he said I'm me asking how much I said no he said I'm me asking how much I said no he said I'm me asking how much I said no sir I don't mind telling you and I told sir I don't mind telling you and I told sir I don't mind telling you and I told him and he said okay I'm gonna write you him and he said okay I'm gonna write you him and he said okay I'm gonna write you a check for that I want to pay for your a check for that I want to pay for your a check for that I want to pay for your Fall Festival so you serious and he said Fall Festival so you serious and he said Fall Festival so you serious and he said yeah he said bastard now that's what we yeah he said bastard now that's what we yeah he said bastard now that's what we call a partner you see you can't call a partner you see you can't call a partner you see you can't just keep doing for us and not allow us just keep doing for us and not allow us just keep doing for us and not allow us to do something back in rich I was to do something back in rich I was to do something back in rich I was humbled by that and I don't have humbled by that and I don't have humbled by that and I don't have permission to use his name of the permission to use his name of the permission to use his name of the organization but what we've learned is organization but what we've learned is organization but what we've learned is that what the scripture says is true that what the scripture says is true that what the scripture says is true when you give it will be given back yeah when you give it will be given back yeah when you give it will be given back yeah I'm back in money it comes back in I'm back in money it comes back in I'm back in money it comes back in relationships we don't have time in this relationships we don't have time in this relationships we don't have time in this podcast for me to start telling you all podcast for me to start telling you all podcast for me to start telling you all of the lives that have been changed not of the lives that have been changed not of the lives that have been changed not necessarily in this building though many necessarily in this building though many necessarily in this building though many of them have been changed in this of them have been changed in this of them have been changed in this building but richest to the point now we building but richest to the point now we building but richest to the point now we pastor more people in this community pastor more people in this community pastor more people in this community than we can ever force into this church than we can ever force into this church than we can ever force into this church right right and jesus never said build a right right and jesus never said build a right right and jesus never said build a building and wait for them he said take building and wait for them he said take building and wait for them he said take it to him right and this gives us a it to him right and this gives us a it to him right and this gives us a chance to take it to them now on day one chance to take it to them now on day one chance to take it to them now on day one it's not about Bible studies and it's not about Bible studies and it's not about Bible studies and discipleship and preaching and praying discipleship and preaching and praying discipleship and preaching and praying it's about what need do you have that we it's about what need do you have that we it's about what need do you have that we could so we start an open up our could so we start an open up our could so we start an open up our building in our community I'll tell you building in our community I'll tell you building in our community I'll tell you now our community uses our building now now our community uses our building now now our community uses our building now more than we do as a church there's no more than we do as a church there's no more than we do as a church there's no most churches sit empty other items in

most churches sit empty other items in most churches sit empty other items in wednesday or what-have-you worsening it wednesday or what-have-you worsening it wednesday or what-have-you worsening it the office is open during the week but the office is open during the week but the office is open during the week but man i drive on this campus and sometimes man i drive on this campus and sometimes man i drive on this campus and sometimes there are hundreds and hundreds and there are hundreds and hundreds and there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people here in all over the hundreds of people here in all over the hundreds of people here in all over the place ends day is a madhouse it starts place ends day is a madhouse it starts place ends day is a madhouse it starts early morning with homeschool networks early morning with homeschool networks early morning with homeschool networks it goes all through the evening with Cub it goes all through the evening with Cub it goes all through the evening with Cub Scouts Boy Scouts Girl Scouts and Scouts Boy Scouts Girl Scouts and Scouts Boy Scouts Girl Scouts and they're just hundreds of kids and they're just hundreds of kids and they're just hundreds of kids and families on our campus in particular on families on our campus in particular on families on our campus in particular on Tuesday we've just built a playground of Tuesday we've just built a playground of Tuesday we've just built a playground of stairs on the upper level not just for stairs on the upper level not just for stairs on the upper level not just for our kids at the church but so that our our kids at the church but so that our our kids at the church but so that our community partners can use it yeah it's community partners can use it yeah it's community partners can use it yeah it's so great yes constable and you know I so great yes constable and you know I so great yes constable and you know I gotta say this quickly if I can yeah gotta say this quickly if I can yeah gotta say this quickly if I can yeah absolutely when we went into this model absolutely when we went into this model absolutely when we went into this model of saying to our partners hey if you of saying to our partners hey if you of saying to our partners hey if you need to use our building we love to make need to use our building we love to make need to use our building we love to make it available I knew we would have cost it available I knew we would have cost it available I knew we would have cost like utilities and housekeeping type like utilities and housekeeping type like utilities and housekeeping type stuff maintenance type stuff that would stuff maintenance type stuff that would stuff maintenance type stuff that would really would be expenditures that we we really would be expenditures that we we really would be expenditures that we we couldn't necessarily anticipate but I'll couldn't necessarily anticipate but I'll couldn't necessarily anticipate but I'll tell you this when we had our what we tell you this when we had our what we tell you this when we had our what we call our annual church celebration in call our annual church celebration in call our annual church celebration in February after the first year that we February after the first year that we February after the first year that we saw saw saw our communities our building I was able our communities our building I was able our communities our building I was able to rejoice with our church family and to rejoice with our church family and to rejoice with our church family and they went nuts over this that that year they went nuts over this that that year they went nuts over this that that year that our building was used almost every that our building was used almost every that our building was used almost every day of the week compared to the year day of the week compared to the year day of the week compared to the year before when we used it as a church only before when we used it as a church only before when we used it as a church only we actually spent eight hundred dollars we actually spent eight hundred dollars we actually spent eight hundred dollars less in utilities that we get a year less in utilities that we get a year less in utilities that we get a year before that doesn't make sense that's before that doesn't make sense that's before that doesn't make sense that's amazing Wow it was it was like when the amazing Wow it was it was like when the amazing Wow it was it was like when the children of Israel's clothes didn't wear children of Israel's clothes didn't wear children of Israel's clothes didn't wear out and stuff like that yeah but this out and stuff like that yeah but this out and stuff like that yeah but this Lena as a caveat we had to replace some Lena as a caveat we had to replace some Lena as a caveat we had to replace some air conditioning units during that year

air conditioning units during that year air conditioning units during that year they probably ran more efficiently is they probably ran more efficiently is they probably ran more efficiently is like part of it but here's what I like part of it but here's what I like part of it but here's what I believe God kind of whispered to me rich believe God kind of whispered to me rich believe God kind of whispered to me rich he said she'll if you'll take care of my he said she'll if you'll take care of my he said she'll if you'll take care of my community I'll take care of your budget community I'll take care of your budget community I'll take care of your budget i'll take you your church it wasn't me i i'll take you your church it wasn't me i i'll take you your church it wasn't me i totally agree i think there's something totally agree i think there's something totally agree i think there's something about being open handed about taking about being open handed about taking about being open handed about taking what we have and not holding it tightly what we have and not holding it tightly what we have and not holding it tightly i think god wants to and listen I don't i think god wants to and listen I don't i think god wants to and listen I don't get me wrong and I know what you're not get me wrong and I know what you're not get me wrong and I know what you're not saying shell you're not in like it's not saying shell you're not in like it's not saying shell you're not in like it's not like a health and wealth kind of thing like a health and wealth kind of thing like a health and wealth kind of thing like hey give and then God will you know like hey give and then God will you know like hey give and then God will you know poor back to you that's not what I'm poor back to you that's not what I'm poor back to you that's not what I'm saying I know that's not what you're saying I know that's not what you're saying I know that's not what you're saying but but there is something to the saying but but there is something to the saying but but there is something to the principle that when God sees that you're principle that when God sees that you're principle that when God sees that you're being a good steward you're using his being a good steward you're using his being a good steward you're using his resources to make a difference in the resources to make a difference in the resources to make a difference in the community he's going to bless that he community he's going to bless that he community he's going to bless that he wants he's going to give you more to wants he's going to give you more to wants he's going to give you more to bless more that just makes sense in his bless more that just makes sense in his bless more that just makes sense in his economy that dist is you know that just economy that dist is you know that just economy that dist is you know that just is how it works out so far you know the is how it works out so far you know the is how it works out so far you know the cool thing is that when i drive on this cool thing is that when i drive on this cool thing is that when i drive on this campus used to if I saw a few extra cars campus used to if I saw a few extra cars campus used to if I saw a few extra cars I would know I would know what was going I would know I would know what was going I would know I would know what was going on yeah i mean that's going on anymore on yeah i mean that's going on anymore on yeah i mean that's going on anymore somebody else has to manage that whole somebody else has to manage that whole somebody else has to manage that whole calendar for us and and I'll say look calendar for us and and I'll say look calendar for us and and I'll say look who's all here today well we've got this who's all here today well we've got this who's all here today well we've got this homeschool network and we've got the homeschool network and we've got the homeschool network and we've got the fire department using this part of the fire department using this part of the fire department using this part of the building and we've got the psychological building and we've got the psychological building and we've got the psychological services provider is having a staff services provider is having a staff services provider is having a staff meeting over here and all this kind of meeting over here and all this kind of meeting over here and all this kind of stuff is going on it meant I don't think stuff is going on it meant I don't think stuff is going on it meant I don't think about utilities and toilet paper costs about utilities and toilet paper costs about utilities and toilet paper costs what I think about is how many people what I think about is how many people what I think about is how many people are being exposed to the fact that we're are being exposed to the fact that we're are being exposed to the fact that we're here number one and that we care number here number one and that we care number here number one and that we care number two because rich you know this in two because rich you know this in two because rich you know this in America the average unchurched person America the average unchurched person America the average unchurched person cannot name the name of one church cannot name the name of one church cannot name the name of one church within a five-mile radius of their home

within a five-mile radius of their home within a five-mile radius of their home right I don't think it's because they right I don't think it's because they right I don't think it's because they all hate God and they all going to hell all hate God and they all going to hell all hate God and they all going to hell we're not on their radar screen right so we're not on their radar screen right so we're not on their radar screen right so what these Park chips do is they what these Park chips do is they what these Park chips do is they significantly elevate the visibility of significantly elevate the visibility of significantly elevate the visibility of the local church the local church the local church it's in the community and then people it's in the community and then people it's in the community and then people now know you're there and they now know now know you're there and they now know now know you're there and they now know you care and at some point they might you care and at some point they might you care and at some point they might actually start walking in your building actually start walking in your building actually start walking in your building that's but even they don't you're still that's but even they don't you're still that's but even they don't you're still walking in their building or you're walking in their building or you're walking in their building or you're still going to them and that's the still going to them and that's the still going to them and that's the essence of the gospel is to go not wait essence of the gospel is to go not wait essence of the gospel is to go not wait but to go and so over time this is not but to go and so over time this is not but to go and so over time this is not let's fill empty pews neck or the chairs let's fill empty pews neck or the chairs let's fill empty pews neck or the chairs next sunday morning model this is a next sunday morning model this is a next sunday morning model this is a let's build relationships and over time let's build relationships and over time let's build relationships and over time let's see people's lives transformed let's see people's lives transformed let's see people's lives transformed let's think marriage is restored we do let's think marriage is restored we do let's think marriage is restored we do weddings we do counseling we do funerals weddings we do counseling we do funerals weddings we do counseling we do funerals for folks that may never walk through for folks that may never walk through for folks that may never walk through the doors of this church right but you the doors of this church right but you the doors of this church right but you that's why I can say we pastor more that's why I can say we pastor more that's why I can say we pastor more people in our community then we can put people in our community then we can put people in our community then we can put in this building and I think I think in this building and I think I think in this building and I think I think that's part of the heart of God and I that's part of the heart of God and I that's part of the heart of God and I think this can happen anywhere in the think this can happen anywhere in the think this can happen anywhere in the world to the degree that a local church world to the degree that a local church world to the degree that a local church can do it because it's not based on can do it because it's not based on can do it because it's not based on budgets and not based on staffing it's budgets and not based on staffing it's budgets and not based on staffing it's just based on let's set aside some time just based on let's set aside some time just based on let's set aside some time to get out of our building and into our to get out of our building and into our to get out of our building and into our community let's find one organization community let's find one organization community let's find one organization with whom we can connect and let's just with whom we can connect and let's just with whom we can connect and let's just see what God does with it from there now see what God does with it from there now see what God does with it from there now I know I think you you've kinda are I know I think you you've kinda are I know I think you you've kinda are making yourself available to help making yourself available to help making yourself available to help churches your structured a bit of that churches your structured a bit of that churches your structured a bit of that can you tell us a little bit about what can you tell us a little bit about what can you tell us a little bit about what that looks like yeah absolutely I've got that looks like yeah absolutely I've got that looks like yeah absolutely I've got some resources that I'd be happy to some resources that I'd be happy to some resources that I'd be happy to share with your listeners or with anyone share with your listeners or with anyone share with your listeners or with anyone for that matter that would just be kind for that matter that would just be kind for that matter that would just be kind of a jump start on this concept and a

of a jump start on this concept and a of a jump start on this concept and a little bit the history of what we've little bit the history of what we've little bit the history of what we've done I'll give them some links to our done I'll give them some links to our done I'll give them some links to our website where they could see a list of website where they could see a list of website where they could see a list of our community partners and that might our community partners and that might our community partners and that might trigger in their mind oh I never thought trigger in their mind oh I never thought trigger in their mind oh I never thought about you know the city government I about you know the city government I about you know the city government I never thought about school and never never thought about school and never never thought about school and never thought about businesses whatever um and thought about businesses whatever um and thought about businesses whatever um and those things I'd love to share just those things I'd love to share just those things I'd love to share just constantly with people and do that often constantly with people and do that often constantly with people and do that often here locally in the Atlanta metro I'll here locally in the Atlanta metro I'll here locally in the Atlanta metro I'll meet with pastors over lunch or coffee meet with pastors over lunch or coffee meet with pastors over lunch or coffee and just kind of share this concept and and just kind of share this concept and and just kind of share this concept and oftentimes that's all somebody needs is oftentimes that's all somebody needs is oftentimes that's all somebody needs is just a jump start to say man we can do just a jump start to say man we can do just a jump start to say man we can do that I can share some of our stories that I can share some of our stories that I can share some of our stories that type of stuff over phone Skype that type of stuff over phone Skype that type of stuff over phone Skype session or whatever but then there there session or whatever but then there there session or whatever but then there there have been occasions where I think it's have been occasions where I think it's have been occasions where I think it's been helpful for me to get more been helpful for me to get more been helpful for me to get more intricately involved in helping to train intricately involved in helping to train intricately involved in helping to train either the password staff elders either the password staff elders either the password staff elders whatever their structure is and even whatever their structure is and even whatever their structure is and even frame conversations with potential frame conversations with potential frame conversations with potential partners and that would be a coaching partners and that would be a coaching partners and that would be a coaching consulting opportunity consulting opportunity consulting opportunity that I can do but that's not what this that I can do but that's not what this that I can do but that's not what this is about man I mean I'm to just freely is about man I mean I'm to just freely is about man I mean I'm to just freely share stuff with folks and give them share stuff with folks and give them share stuff with folks and give them ideas and concepts and just let them run ideas and concepts and just let them run ideas and concepts and just let them run with it but those who might want more with it but those who might want more with it but those who might want more involved time you know then we could involved time you know then we could involved time you know then we could talk about definitely I thought that's talk about definitely I thought that's talk about definitely I thought that's not the forefront of this man the not the forefront of this man the not the forefront of this man the forefront is just hey this is something forefront is just hey this is something forefront is just hey this is something God's allowed us to do maybe he would God's allowed us to do maybe he would God's allowed us to do maybe he would lead you to do something like this yeah lead you to do something like this yeah lead you to do something like this yeah all it what you want it could find all it what you want it could find all it what you want it could find somebody in your community but I think somebody in your community but I think somebody in your community but I think you think it replicate do have like a you think it replicate do have like a you think it replicate do have like a resource or something we could put in resource or something we could put in resource or something we could put in the shown show notes to you know people the shown show notes to you know people the shown show notes to you know people could download is just something like could download is just something like could download is just something like that we could you know that kind of that we could you know that kind of that we could you know that kind of outlines some of this what would be the

outlines some of this what would be the outlines some of this what would be the best way to do that would that be best way to do that would that be best way to do that would that be possible yeah I could do that in fact possible yeah I could do that in fact possible yeah I could do that in fact I've got just this is a coaching and I've got just this is a coaching and I've got just this is a coaching and consulting brochure I've got one just consulting brochure I've got one just consulting brochure I've got one just this is just general information butts this is just general information butts this is just general information butts in this format I'll send it to you as a in this format I'll send it to you as a in this format I'll send it to you as a PDF and lets you add both of those there PDF and lets you add both of those there PDF and lets you add both of those there and i'll send you a link there's an and i'll send you a link there's an and i'll send you a link there's an article that appeared in one of the AG article that appeared in one of the AG article that appeared in one of the AG publications couple years ago that also publications couple years ago that also publications couple years ago that also interviewed some of our community interviewed some of our community interviewed some of our community partners and they shared some of their partners and they shared some of their partners and they shared some of their stories about how this has impacted stories about how this has impacted stories about how this has impacted their lives their organizations you'll their lives their organizations you'll their lives their organizations you'll read a story about a guy named Warren read a story about a guy named Warren read a story about a guy named Warren who is an assistant manager at a local who is an assistant manager at a local who is an assistant manager at a local barbecue restaurant by the way this barbecue restaurant by the way this barbecue restaurant by the way this restaurant we do a fifth sunday morning restaurant we do a fifth sunday morning restaurant we do a fifth sunday morning service for the employees we do an service for the employees we do an service for the employees we do an easter sunday morning service or the easter sunday morning service or the easter sunday morning service or the employees who can't go to church because employees who can't go to church because employees who can't go to church because sometimes we going on Sunday man we're sometimes we going on Sunday man we're sometimes we going on Sunday man we're ready to eat and we're thinking man well ready to eat and we're thinking man well ready to eat and we're thinking man well be in church well if they were in church be in church well if they were in church be in church well if they were in church they couldn't be waiting on your cape they couldn't be waiting on your cape they couldn't be waiting on your cape back right true so take church to them back right true so take church to them back right true so take church to them it's this barbecue restaurant Warren was it's this barbecue restaurant Warren was it's this barbecue restaurant Warren was working there and unfortunately one had working there and unfortunately one had working there and unfortunately one had a real struggle with alcohol they wound a real struggle with alcohol they wound a real struggle with alcohol they wound up getting fired and through that up getting fired and through that up getting fired and through that connection with that restaurant Warren connection with that restaurant Warren connection with that restaurant Warren and I met along with his mom he's single and I met along with his mom he's single and I met along with his mom he's single guy and more made the decision to get guy and more made the decision to get guy and more made the decision to get involved in a ministry that we support involved in a ministry that we support involved in a ministry that we support called team challenge and they helped called team challenge and they helped called team challenge and they helped men and women overcome life controlling men and women overcome life controlling men and women overcome life controlling addictions and worn wet spent 12 months addictions and worn wet spent 12 months addictions and worn wet spent 12 months at a Teen Challenge center in Louisiana at a Teen Challenge center in Louisiana at a Teen Challenge center in Louisiana and has come back and is completely free and has come back and is completely free and has come back and is completely free of alcohol the restaurant has hired him of alcohol the restaurant has hired him of alcohol the restaurant has hired him back again and he's a model of back again and he's a model of back again and he's a model of transformation Wow i just don't i transformation Wow i just don't i transformation Wow i just don't i don't know if that ever would have don't know if that ever would have don't know if that ever would have happened had we not gotten out of our

happened had we not gotten out of our happened had we not gotten out of our building and into our community so building and into our community so building and into our community so that's just one of dozens and done that's just one of dozens and done that's just one of dozens and done expand that I could share with pastors expand that I could share with pastors expand that I could share with pastors that just so it's not just a concept that just so it's not just a concept that just so it's not just a concept this is real life transformation that we this is real life transformation that we this is real life transformation that we say taking place man on a daily basis say taking place man on a daily basis say taking place man on a daily basis this is the uncinate podcast stuff you this is the uncinate podcast stuff you this is the uncinate podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary well what's wish they taught in seminary well what's wish they taught in seminary well what's an online resource if you're using these an online resource if you're using these an online resource if you're using these days that's that's helping you in your days that's that's helping you in your days that's that's helping you in your ministry well I Jay I love I'm seminary ministry well I Jay I love I'm seminary ministry well I Jay I love I'm seminary no I don't say that that's not I gotta no I don't say that that's not I gotta no I don't say that that's not I gotta send you twenty bucks now now that's send you twenty bucks now now that's send you twenty bucks now now that's you've just cost me my money that's you've just cost me my money that's you've just cost me my money that's funny oh and there are so many grand funny oh and there are so many grand funny oh and there are so many grand things that are out there from thom things that are out there from thom things that are out there from thom rainer stuff I'm seminary again I love rainer stuff I'm seminary again I love rainer stuff I'm seminary again I love the stuff I've used a lot of your stuff the stuff I've used a lot of your stuff the stuff I've used a lot of your stuff in our staff and leadership development in our staff and leadership development in our staff and leadership development and then we've done some other stuff man and then we've done some other stuff man and then we've done some other stuff man there's a lot of things through through there's a lot of things through through there's a lot of things through through the assemblies that we've used you know the assemblies that we've used you know the assemblies that we've used you know by being in there in the fellowship with by being in there in the fellowship with by being in there in the fellowship with them but I'd say leadership now thom them but I'd say leadership now thom them but I'd say leadership now thom rainer and I'm seminary certainly or rainer and I'm seminary certainly or rainer and I'm seminary certainly or three of the key ones that we're using three of the key ones that we're using three of the key ones that we're using nice what's a book you've read in the nice what's a book you've read in the nice what's a book you've read in the last oh maybe six months to a year last oh maybe six months to a year last oh maybe six months to a year that's shaping your thinking or ministry that's shaping your thinking or ministry that's shaping your thinking or ministry I'll tell you natural Church development I'll tell you natural Church development I'll tell you natural Church development is a good one that has helped us to is a good one that has helped us to is a good one that has helped us to think strategically about how we do think strategically about how we do think strategically about how we do church and the way we do it another one church and the way we do it another one church and the way we do it another one that you know a lot of is very popular that you know a lot of is very popular that you know a lot of is very popular but it has been very impactful and and I but it has been very impactful and and I but it has been very impactful and and I had just virtually everyone on our had just virtually everyone on our had just virtually everyone on our leadership team from paid staff to board leadership team from paid staff to board leadership team from paid staff to board members to key lay leaders read through members to key lay leaders read through members to key lay leaders read through and write a report on simple church it's and write a report on simple church it's and write a report on simple church it's great resource and then man I tell you

great resource and then man I tell you great resource and then man I tell you another one that's been really impactful another one that's been really impactful another one that's been really impactful for us as we've gone through not only as for us as we've gone through not only as for us as we've gone through not only as a country on where we are now with a country on where we are now with a country on where we are now with same-sex marriage but our ministry same-sex marriage but our ministry same-sex marriage but our ministry outside the church and in the community outside the church and in the community outside the church and in the community is a book entitled the gospel and sexual is a book entitled the gospel and sexual is a book entitled the gospel and sexual orientation that has helped us orientation that has helped us orientation that has helped us theological e and practically better theological e and practically better theological e and practically better understand how we can minister to folks understand how we can minister to folks understand how we can minister to folks not only in the church but outside the not only in the church but outside the not only in the church but outside the church who are dealing with same-sex church who are dealing with same-sex church who are dealing with same-sex attraction so those are probably three attraction so those are probably three attraction so those are probably three significant books that I've read a bleh significant books that I've read a bleh significant books that I've read a bleh they're really impactful film yeah very they're really impactful film yeah very they're really impactful film yeah very good what's the ministry another good what's the ministry another good what's the ministry another ministry that inspires you and you kind ministry that inspires you and you kind ministry that inspires you and you kind of look at them and are inspired by what of look at them and are inspired by what of look at them and are inspired by what they're doing well you know I mentioned they're doing well you know I mentioned they're doing well you know I mentioned Northstar church pastor Michael ends up Northstar church pastor Michael ends up Northstar church pastor Michael ends up in kennesaw they're certainly one we we in kennesaw they're certainly one we we in kennesaw they're certainly one we we went to a conference that they had a few went to a conference that they had a few went to a conference that they had a few years ago and years ago and years ago and was on this concept I don't think they was on this concept I don't think they was on this concept I don't think they call them community partners but man it call them community partners but man it call them community partners but man it threw gasoline on our fire and I picked threw gasoline on our fire and I picked threw gasoline on our fire and I picked Mike's brain at times and we trade some Mike's brain at times and we trade some Mike's brain at times and we trade some things northstar church is a great one things northstar church is a great one things northstar church is a great one and one just here in the local level but and one just here in the local level but and one just here in the local level but man I've got so many other friends and man I've got so many other friends and man I've got so many other friends and pastors here in the Atlanta metro and pastors here in the Atlanta metro and pastors here in the Atlanta metro and this is like the buckle of the Bible this is like the buckle of the Bible this is like the buckle of the Bible Belt it's trying to if it is like God Belt it's trying to if it is like God Belt it's trying to if it is like God yeah Atlanta has the corner on all the yeah Atlanta has the corner on all the yeah Atlanta has the corner on all the good Christians so it's a good thing good Christians so it's a good thing good Christians so it's a good thing they're more heathens and ever so it's they're more heathens and ever so it's they're more heathens and ever so it's gonna be a good year for the jury a lot gonna be a good year for the jury a lot gonna be a good year for the jury a lot of a but North Star would certainly be of a but North Star would certainly be of a but North Star would certainly be one of great if you could get 15 minutes one of great if you could get 15 minutes one of great if you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive who would you want with any leader alive who would you want with any leader alive who would you want to get that with and why man I tell you to get that with and why man I tell you to get that with and why man I tell you sharing my faith has been just so

sharing my faith has been just so sharing my faith has been just so important to me you know personal important to me you know personal important to me you know personal evangelism um I think one of the guys evangelism um I think one of the guys evangelism um I think one of the guys who has has been at the forefront of who has has been at the forefront of who has has been at the forefront of that uh in leading people into faith of that uh in leading people into faith of that uh in leading people into faith of Christ dr. Billy Graham I'd love to sit Christ dr. Billy Graham I'd love to sit Christ dr. Billy Graham I'd love to sit down with him and pick his brain a down with him and pick his brain a down with him and pick his brain a little bit just talk about his journey little bit just talk about his journey little bit just talk about his journey through both personal as well as men through both personal as well as men through both personal as well as men just worldwide evangelism where he's just worldwide evangelism where he's just worldwide evangelism where he's been at the forefront of seeing those been at the forefront of seeing those been at the forefront of seeing those decisions Ryan or monkey would be decisions Ryan or monkey would be decisions Ryan or monkey would be another those are guys that man they another those are guys that man they another those are guys that man they just have a passion for seeing people just have a passion for seeing people just have a passion for seeing people place their faith in Christ take that place their faith in Christ take that place their faith in Christ take that step across the line and i love that step across the line and i love that step across the line and i love that opportunity nice well i'm sure leading opportunity nice well i'm sure leading opportunity nice well i'm sure leading at the church takes a lot out of you at the church takes a lot out of you at the church takes a lot out of you having you know these 36 different having you know these 36 different having you know these 36 different partners and you know trying to balance partners and you know trying to balance partners and you know trying to balance all that's a lot what do you do just to all that's a lot what do you do just to all that's a lot what do you do just to kind of kick back have fun you know kind of kick back have fun you know kind of kick back have fun you know relax a little bit oh man I appreciate relax a little bit oh man I appreciate relax a little bit oh man I appreciate it we've got a son and a daughter our it we've got a son and a daughter our it we've got a son and a daughter our son is married and he and his wife and son is married and he and his wife and son is married and he and his wife and two sons live locally they're both two sons live locally they're both two sons live locally they're both involved in the ministry here with us involved in the ministry here with us involved in the ministry here with us and so we're close enough geographically and so we're close enough geographically and so we're close enough geographically where we connect with them frequently where we connect with them frequently where we connect with them frequently our daughter lives just outside the our daughter lives just outside the our daughter lives just outside the Atlanta metro and love her love our Atlanta metro and love her love our Atlanta metro and love her love our family my mom now lives here so we did a family my mom now lives here so we did a family my mom now lives here so we did a lot of family stuff but some of the fun lot of family stuff but some of the fun lot of family stuff but some of the fun things that we enjoy doing man we are things that we enjoy doing man we are things that we enjoy doing man we are Disney World folks we we like to go to Disney World folks we we like to go to Disney World folks we we like to go to Disney World but on a local level we've Disney World but on a local level we've Disney World but on a local level we've got a little pop-up camper that we got a little pop-up camper that we got a little pop-up camper that we bought a year or two ago we love to go bought a year or two ago we love to go bought a year or two ago we love to go camping and Atlantis just got so many camping and Atlantis just got so many camping and Atlantis just got so many great both private and well as state great both private and well as state great both private and well as state parks but we'd love to go camping jog parks but we'd love to go camping jog parks but we'd love to go camping jog and go I'm a terrible golfer but I do and go I'm a terrible golfer but I do and go I'm a terrible golfer but I do enjoy it occasionally enjoy it occasionally enjoy it occasionally that's great well shall I really

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