Justin Lathrop Cautions Church Leaders About Social Media

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moved to Dallas uh over 12 years ago now moved to Dallas uh over 12 years ago now and uh met a guy named Scott Wilson and uh met a guy named Scott Wilson and uh met a guy named Scott Wilson who's the lead Pastor who I still uh who's the lead Pastor who I still uh who's the lead Pastor who I still uh work with quite a bit although I don't work with quite a bit although I don't work with quite a bit although I don't work on staff anymore and uh just been work on staff anymore and uh just been work on staff anymore and uh just been been growing in Ministry since then so a been growing in Ministry since then so a been growing in Ministry since then so a couple years into being a young adult couple years into being a young adult couple years into being a young adult Pastor here at the Oaks just discovered Pastor here at the Oaks just discovered Pastor here at the Oaks just discovered man that wasn't for me and I I started man that wasn't for me and I I started man that wasn't for me and I I started it was actually I don't know how much it was actually I don't know how much it was actually I don't know how much you wanted this but um a conversation you wanted this but um a conversation you wanted this but um a conversation with uh Leonard s on the way from the with uh Leonard s on the way from the with uh Leonard s on the way from the report to an event he was speaking at report to an event he was speaking at report to an event he was speaking at you know he just said to me you know you know he just said to me you know you know he just said to me you know Justin it sounds like you're a zero to Justin it sounds like you're a zero to Justin it sounds like you're a zero to one guy and he said the greatest one guy and he said the greatest one guy and he said the greatest distance between any two numbers is zero distance between any two numbers is zero distance between any two numbers is zero and one it's greater than the distance and one it's greater than the distance and one it's greater than the distance between one and 100 is that getting between one and 100 is that getting between one and 100 is that getting something off the ground and your something off the ground and your something off the ground and your challenge is going to be trying to find challenge is going to be trying to find challenge is going to be trying to find a role in life that you can constantly a role in life that you can constantly a role in life that you can constantly reset yourself and keep bringing things reset yourself and keep bringing things reset yourself and keep bringing things from zero to one otherwise you're going from zero to one otherwise you're going from zero to one otherwise you're going to just want to move jobs every three to just want to move jobs every three to just want to move jobs every three years and so that really opened my eyes years and so that really opened my eyes years and so that really opened my eyes a couple weeks later I met with my my a couple weeks later I met with my my a couple weeks later I met with my my pastor Scott and uh told him that I just pastor Scott and uh told him that I just pastor Scott and uh told him that I just didn't think I could be young adult didn't think I could be young adult didn't think I could be young adult Pastor so I gave him basically a letter Pastor so I gave him basically a letter Pastor so I gave him basically a letter of res resignation I gave him a job of res resignation I gave him a job of res resignation I gave him a job description of a job that didn't exist description of a job that didn't exist description of a job that didn't exist I've never seen exist in a church and I I've never seen exist in a church and I I've never seen exist in a church and I gave him a resume of the guy that I gave him a resume of the guy that I gave him a resume of the guy that I thought could take my job so those three thought could take my job so those three thought could take my job so those three documents I handed him and kind of the documents I handed him and kind of the documents I handed him and kind of the rest is history from there I've grown uh rest is history from there I've grown uh rest is history from there I've grown uh just in starting things uh developing just in starting things uh developing just in starting things uh developing Ministries uh helping connect uh pastors Ministries uh helping connect uh pastors Ministries uh helping connect uh pastors and leaders ever since that time which and leaders ever since that time which and leaders ever since that time which was I guess about 8 years years ago now was I guess about 8 years years ago now was I guess about 8 years years ago now and uh it's been it's just been a great and uh it's been it's just been a great and uh it's been it's just been a great journey man I just Fallen more in love

journey man I just Fallen more in love journey man I just Fallen more in love with Jesus more in love with the church with Jesus more in love with the church with Jesus more in love with the church and pastors that lead those churches and and pastors that lead those churches and and pastors that lead those churches and so it's uh I've really found what what so it's uh I've really found what what so it's uh I've really found what what it is I want to do with my life and it is I want to do with my life and it is I want to do with my life and that's you know connect because I I that's you know connect because I I that's you know connect because I I believe we're stronger together I believe we're stronger together I believe we're stronger together I believe that you know no Pastor should believe that you know no Pastor should believe that you know no Pastor should be alone no Pastor should be the kingdom nice very very cool did I the kingdom nice very very cool did I answer the question I kind of got on a answer the question I kind of got on a answer the question I kind of got on a tangent there no no that's fantastic tangent there no no that's fantastic tangent there no no that's fantastic it's always fascinating to hear uh you it's always fascinating to hear uh you it's always fascinating to hear uh you know classic lens Suite has super know classic lens Suite has super know classic lens Suite has super insightful oh yeah you know you're like insightful oh yeah you know you're like insightful oh yeah you know you're like gosh why didn't I think of that 140 gosh why didn't I think of that 140 gosh why didn't I think of that 140 characters or less you know exactly yes characters or less you know exactly yes characters or less you know exactly yes exactly F there's a lot of people have exactly F there's a lot of people have exactly F there's a lot of people have that kind of story with Len so that's uh that kind of story with Len so that's uh that kind of story with Len so that's uh you know that's fantastic y all right so you know that's fantastic y all right so you know that's fantastic y all right so one of the things I appreciate about you one of the things I appreciate about you one of the things I appreciate about you I follow you on on social media your I follow you on on social media your I follow you on on social media your blog just everything I think you do a blog just everything I think you do a blog just everything I think you do a great job online obviously and everyone great job online obviously and everyone great job online obviously and everyone who's listening in should really we'll who's listening in should really we'll who's listening in should really we'll give some more detail at the end how give some more detail at the end how give some more detail at the end how people can get in touch with you but um people can get in touch with you but um people can get in touch with you but um you know we're obviously fans of social you know we're obviously fans of social you know we're obviously fans of social media we talk a lot about it at un media we talk a lot about it at un media we talk a lot about it at un Seminary but you know I think there's a Seminary but you know I think there's a Seminary but you know I think there's a there's a flip side of that right there's a flip side of that right there's a flip side of that right there's probably some you know things we there's probably some you know things we there's probably some you know things we should be concerned about or just some should be concerned about or just some should be concerned about or just some some things we should have our eyes some things we should have our eyes some things we should have our eyes fully open when we think about social fully open when we think about social fully open when we think about social media and Justin what would be your kind media and Justin what would be your kind media and Justin what would be your kind of counsel to pastors um you know what of counsel to pastors um you know what of counsel to pastors um you know what are some of those things you think we are some of those things you think we are some of those things you think we should be thinking about when we think should be thinking about when we think should be thinking about when we think about social media there's a few things about social media there's a few things about social media there's a few things I mean I'm not a so sociologist and you I mean I'm not a so sociologist and you I mean I'm not a so sociologist and you know I I mean I I feel like I'm I've know I I mean I I feel like I'm I've know I I mean I I feel like I'm I've studied enough and been around I think

studied enough and been around I think studied enough and been around I think I've just been in the middle of social I've just been in the middle of social I've just been in the middle of social media enough and pastors enough to to media enough and pastors enough to to media enough and pastors enough to to have some insights into this but one of have some insights into this but one of have some insights into this but one of the things I've really just noticed is I the things I've really just noticed is I the things I've really just noticed is I mean especially as we're transitioning mean especially as we're transitioning mean especially as we're transitioning so none of us have grown up in the so none of us have grown up in the so none of us have grown up in the social media culture it's just that that social media culture it's just that that social media culture it's just that that new sense of voice and access to people new sense of voice and access to people new sense of voice and access to people we forget about how strong that is and we forget about how strong that is and we forget about how strong that is and so I watch pastors at times and leaders so I watch pastors at times and leaders so I watch pastors at times and leaders times seem to weigh in on subjects that times seem to weigh in on subjects that times seem to weigh in on subjects that they think they're just they're just they think they're just they're just they think they're just they're just emotional about you know so whether it's emotional about you know so whether it's emotional about you know so whether it's a political thing on Facebook and they a political thing on Facebook and they a political thing on Facebook and they they want to give their two cents in a they want to give their two cents in a they want to give their two cents in a response to someone just because man response to someone just because man response to someone just because man they read it it just makes them mad I they read it it just makes them mad I they read it it just makes them mad I get mad too I mean but those kind of get mad too I mean but those kind of get mad too I mean but those kind of things and I just feel like we need to things and I just feel like we need to things and I just feel like we need to readjust and rethink how we respond what readjust and rethink how we respond what readjust and rethink how we respond what we're saying on social media what the we're saying on social media what the we're saying on social media what the power is in that I love what Andy power is in that I love what Andy power is in that I love what Andy Stanley says when he talks about you Stanley says when he talks about you Stanley says when he talks about you know he's not there are certain things know he's not there are certain things know he's not there are certain things he's just not going to use and and lend he's just not going to use and and lend he's just not going to use and and lend his influence to it's not that they're his influence to it's not that they're his influence to it's not that they're not important issues and I'm not even not important issues and I'm not even not important issues and I'm not even going to cover them so we don't have any going to cover them so we don't have any going to cover them so we don't have any one to to give us but but he just you one to to give us but but he just you one to to give us but but he just you know there's some things that he wants know there's some things that he wants know there's some things that he wants to keep his influence and save it for to keep his influence and save it for to keep his influence and save it for the things that involve people coming the things that involve people coming the things that involve people coming into the kingdom and I think sometimes into the kingdom and I think sometimes into the kingdom and I think sometimes as pastors we just start throwing away as pastors we just start throwing away as pastors we just start throwing away and throwing away is probably too strong and throwing away is probably too strong and throwing away is probably too strong a word but just giving away our a word but just giving away our a word but just giving away our influence to things that don't really influence to things that don't really influence to things that don't really affect the salvation of souls the PE you affect the salvation of souls the PE you affect the salvation of souls the PE you know discipling of other s that kind of know discipling of other s that kind of know discipling of other s that kind of stuff and so I would say one of yeah stuff and so I would say one of yeah stuff and so I would say one of yeah that would be a thing is that we need to that would be a thing is that we need to that would be a thing is that we need to be slower to listen or you know quicker

be slower to listen or you know quicker be slower to listen or you know quicker to listen slower to speak and not so not to listen slower to speak and not so not to listen slower to speak and not so not you know just don't get on there and you know just don't get on there and you know just don't get on there and just type away um the other thing with just type away um the other thing with just type away um the other thing with it is just the amount of time it takes it is just the amount of time it takes it is just the amount of time it takes you know and I think in the you know and I think in the you know and I think in the ministry you know we there's so much to ministry you know we there's so much to ministry you know we there's so much to do and this is just kind of added on top do and this is just kind of added on top do and this is just kind of added on top nothing went away in the ministry to nothing went away in the ministry to nothing went away in the ministry to give us time for social media and that's give us time for social media and that's give us time for social media and that's just how everything is just things keep just how everything is just things keep just how everything is just things keep getting ated and so I think it's easy to getting ated and so I think it's easy to getting ated and so I think it's easy to become this uh monitor of all social become this uh monitor of all social become this uh monitor of all social media and you know there's tools and media and you know there's tools and media and you know there's tools and tricks to do that in more effective ways tricks to do that in more effective ways tricks to do that in more effective ways um but there's sometimes I I watch a um but there's sometimes I I watch a um but there's sometimes I I watch a pastor who's just I mean I don't know pastor who's just I mean I don't know pastor who's just I mean I don't know how they do it it's just like every you how they do it it's just like every you how they do it it's just like every you know I've got a lot of stuff you know know I've got a lot of stuff you know know I've got a lot of stuff you know automated and of course I interact when automated and of course I interact when automated and of course I interact when I can but but it's like they're just I can but but it's like they're just I can but but it's like they're just always responding they're always posting always responding they're always posting always responding they're always posting every 15 minutes and you're going so every 15 minutes and you're going so every 15 minutes and you're going so true man are you are you really true man are you are you really true man are you are you really connecting with the people are you just connecting with the people are you just connecting with the people are you just you know just there on the social media you know just there on the social media you know just there on the social media and so I think I think those are those and so I think I think those are those and so I think I think those are those are two big things I do think that we we are two big things I do think that we we are two big things I do think that we we have an opportunity with social media as have an opportunity with social media as have an opportunity with social media as pastors to really really create the the pastors to really really create the the pastors to really really create the the kind of person we want to be and want kind of person we want to be and want kind of person we want to be and want the kind of church we want to be I mean the kind of church we want to be I mean the kind of church we want to be I mean you go to churches I know you Pro you you go to churches I know you Pro you you go to churches I know you Pro you see churches and you go into them and see churches and you go into them and see churches and you go into them and they just represent their Pastor so well they just represent their Pastor so well they just represent their Pastor so well like I have a friend in in Illinois I like I have a friend in in Illinois I like I have a friend in in Illinois I mean he's just the most generous giving mean he's just the most generous giving mean he's just the most generous giving of his time and money and everything of his time and money and everything of his time and money and everything person there is when I went and visited person there is when I went and visited person there is when I went and visited his church everywhere you know it's his church everywhere you know it's his church everywhere you know it's Church church about a th people 12200 Church church about a th people 12200 Church church about a th people 12200 people everywhere around me people are people everywhere around me people are people everywhere around me people are just giving to me and and being kind and just giving to me and and being kind and just giving to me and and being kind and helping me opening it just it just what

helping me opening it just it just what helping me opening it just it just what represented him I think in social media represented him I think in social media represented him I think in social media we have a chance to really say these are we have a chance to really say these are we have a chance to really say these are the tenants of my life and who I want to the tenants of my life and who I want to the tenants of my life and who I want to be as a person we know our tenants of be as a person we know our tenants of be as a person we know our tenants of faith and I'm not you know that's the faith and I'm not you know that's the faith and I'm not you know that's the whole but our tenants of who we want to whole but our tenants of who we want to whole but our tenants of who we want to be and and I think it's important that be and and I think it's important that be and and I think it's important that we establish those no matter who you are we establish those no matter who you are we establish those no matter who you are platform big or small establish who you platform big or small establish who you platform big or small establish who you want to be as a person as a leader let want to be as a person as a leader let want to be as a person as a leader let those things shine through on social those things shine through on social those things shine through on social media and those are those are important media and those are those are important media and those are those are important for us to know so that way we can filter for us to know so that way we can filter for us to know so that way we can filter those things uh through our so I know those things uh through our so I know those things uh through our so I know and that I want to be a connector of and that I want to be a connector of and that I want to be a connector of others so because of that I don't take others so because of that I don't take others so because of that I don't take and that's me some some people might say and that's me some some people might say and that's me some some people might say I want to be a you know I want to hold I want to be a you know I want to hold I want to be a you know I want to hold ground on the right-wing agenda of the ground on the right-wing agenda of the ground on the right-wing agenda of the conservative Church well then maybe they conservative Church well then maybe they conservative Church well then maybe they are gonna that's I don't I'm not saying are gonna that's I don't I'm not saying are gonna that's I don't I'm not saying I'm Gess or for it but I know I'm a I'm Gess or for it but I know I'm a I'm Gess or for it but I know I'm a connector and so I don't you know weigh connector and so I don't you know weigh connector and so I don't you know weigh in on issues that are you know High you in on issues that are you know High you in on issues that are you know High you know high voltage you kind of things know high voltage you kind of things know high voltage you kind of things where people are gonna you know get where people are gonna you know get where people are gonna you know get polarized on those things and so I think polarized on those things and so I think polarized on those things and so I think it's important as a pastor leader to it's important as a pastor leader to it's important as a pastor leader to know what it is that you want to be who know what it is that you want to be who know what it is that you want to be who you want to be represented as and you you want to be represented as and you you want to be represented as and you know social media gives you just such a know social media gives you just such a know social media gives you just such a great opportunity to cultivate that in a great opportunity to cultivate that in a great opportunity to cultivate that in a in a very intentional way all right well in a very intentional way all right well in a very intentional way all right well you just unpacked a lot there that was you just unpacked a lot there that was you just unpacked a lot there that was know I'm so know I'm so know I'm so excited no it's fantastic um let's jump excited no it's fantastic um let's jump excited no it's fantastic um let's jump in just dive a little bit deeper with in just dive a little bit deeper with in just dive a little bit deeper with you um on even just the time piece so you um on even just the time piece so you um on even just the time piece so how how do you make sure cuz I feel like how how do you make sure cuz I feel like how how do you make sure cuz I feel like you have a pretty robust online presence you have a pretty robust online presence you have a pretty robust online presence you have a pretty robust social media you have a pretty robust social media you have a pretty robust social media presence how do you ensure that that

presence how do you ensure that that presence how do you ensure that that doesn't just kind of suck your you know doesn't just kind of suck your you know doesn't just kind of suck your you know entire life down a hoot sweet you know entire life down a hoot sweet you know entire life down a hoot sweet you know you know feed man it's it's really tough you know feed man it's it's really tough you know feed man it's it's really tough thank thank God for for my children who thank thank God for for my children who thank thank God for for my children who you know are pretty good at reminding me you know are pretty good at reminding me you know are pretty good at reminding me that I need to get off the phone or you that I need to get off the phone or you that I need to get off the phone or you know that kind of stuff and I I you know know that kind of stuff and I I you know know that kind of stuff and I I you know I work live a little bit of a dur life I work live a little bit of a dur life I work live a little bit of a dur life now you know working from home home and now you know working from home home and now you know working from home home and not at the church and and I guess it's not at the church and and I guess it's not at the church and and I guess it's summer so I'm real you know um just summer so I'm real you know um just summer so I'm real you know um just honed in on that right now as far as you honed in on that right now as far as you honed in on that right now as far as you know making sure I've got the phone away know making sure I've got the phone away know making sure I've got the phone away when I'm when I'm at home but I do think when I'm when I'm at home but I do think when I'm when I'm at home but I do think I do think it's wise to set schedules I do think it's wise to set schedules I do think it's wise to set schedules for that you know the the idea of um for that you know the the idea of um for that you know the the idea of um just check any time just really sucks just check any time just really sucks just check any time just really sucks you in so you can you can have your you in so you can you can have your you in so you can you can have your phone out and you know check Facebook phone out and you know check Facebook phone out and you know check Facebook and then you'll close the app put the and then you'll close the app put the and then you'll close the app put the phone down and I'll watch myself pick it phone down and I'll watch myself pick it phone down and I'll watch myself pick it up and push Facebook again I mean up and push Facebook again I mean up and push Facebook again I mean literally not 10 seconds three seconds literally not 10 seconds three seconds literally not 10 seconds three seconds later true so true like what is the you later true so true like what is the you later true so true like what is the you know what it's just a it's just a very know what it's just a it's just a very know what it's just a it's just a very and you know I know there's there's and you know I know there's there's and you know I know there's there's jokes and then there's probably also jokes and then there's probably also jokes and then there's probably also real research on the you know addictive real research on the you know addictive real research on the you know addictive whatever of social media I don't know whatever of social media I don't know whatever of social media I don't know all about that but I do think looking at all about that but I do think looking at all about that but I do think looking at going here are certain times that I'm going here are certain times that I'm going here are certain times that I'm going to check that stuff I mean it's going to check that stuff I mean it's going to check that stuff I mean it's the same thing with email you know if the same thing with email you know if the same thing with email you know if you're going to just it's the exact same you're going to just it's the exact same you're going to just it's the exact same thing I mean you look at your email put thing I mean you look at your email put thing I mean you look at your email put it down 3 seconds later you're going to it down 3 seconds later you're going to it down 3 seconds later you're going to check to see if you got an email um so I check to see if you got an email um so I check to see if you got an email um so I think scheduling time that you're really think scheduling time that you're really think scheduling time that you're really focusing on I you know and again focusing on I you know and again focusing on I you know and again depending on your role and your position depending on your role and your position depending on your role and your position in leadership of a church but you know I in leadership of a church but you know I in leadership of a church but you know I believe in in developing a team around

believe in in developing a team around believe in in developing a team around me to help with that stuff so I have you me to help with that stuff so I have you me to help with that stuff so I have you know for the blogging stuff you know I know for the blogging stuff you know I know for the blogging stuff you know I have a team of people at times I've even have a team of people at times I've even have a team of people at times I've even used students in our in our school uh used students in our in our school uh used students in our in our school uh Ministry School to help come up with Ministry School to help come up with Ministry School to help come up with topics um to blog on and even help topics um to blog on and even help topics um to blog on and even help develop them you know again we'll just develop them you know again we'll just develop them you know again we'll just get you know a couple things from them get you know a couple things from them get you know a couple things from them but um it's just a I think using others but um it's just a I think using others but um it's just a I think using others uh giftings in that who want to serve in uh giftings in that who want to serve in uh giftings in that who want to serve in those ways to help add content I I know those ways to help add content I I know those ways to help add content I I know we're kind of slipping into the church we're kind of slipping into the church we're kind of slipping into the church side too but even as a pastor leader you side too but even as a pastor leader you side too but even as a pastor leader you know how do you manage that stuff and know how do you manage that stuff and know how do you manage that stuff and how do you that I think the church it's how do you that I think the church it's how do you that I think the church it's so funny and I don't do a whole lot of so funny and I don't do a whole lot of so funny and I don't do a whole lot of the social media Consulting but I do see the social media Consulting but I do see the social media Consulting but I do see one of the greatest issues for anyone in one of the greatest issues for anyone in one of the greatest issues for anyone in social media is the lack of content social media is the lack of content social media is the lack of content right and it's so crazy how I mean the right and it's so crazy how I mean the right and it's so crazy how I mean the church has just got tons of content you church has just got tons of content you church has just got tons of content you know just I mean I was say shelves but know just I mean I was say shelves but know just I mean I was say shelves but you know hard drives full of content you know hard drives full of content you know hard drives full of content that just needs to be repurposed and that just needs to be repurposed and that just needs to be repurposed and needs to and so I think really looking needs to and so I think really looking needs to and so I think really looking at how do you develop that content adapt at how do you develop that content adapt at how do you develop that content adapt it because it's not just copy paste you it because it's not just copy paste you it because it's not just copy paste you know your sermon from Sunday onto your know your sermon from Sunday onto your know your sermon from Sunday onto your blog but but how do you develop it adapt blog but but how do you develop it adapt blog but but how do you develop it adapt it and put it you know and schedule it it and put it you know and schedule it it and put it you know and schedule it on I think is so important for pastors on I think is so important for pastors on I think is so important for pastors definitely you know I know um I follow a definitely you know I know um I follow a definitely you know I know um I follow a guy this is a a leader he's not in the guy this is a a leader he's not in the guy this is a a leader he's not in the in the Christian space he's like an in the Christian space he's like an in the Christian space he's like an entrepreneurial kind of leader guy entrepreneurial kind of leader guy entrepreneurial kind of leader guy and he has thousands of followers and he has thousands of followers and he has thousands of followers probably somewhere you know he's probably somewhere you know he's probably somewhere you know he's probably just south of 20,000 followers probably just south of 20,000 followers probably just south of 20,000 followers and he's super accessible I'm always and he's super accessible I'm always and he's super accessible I'm always amazed whenever I tweet him um you know

amazed whenever I tweet him um you know amazed whenever I tweet him um you know I'm like dude how you know I'll it's not I'm like dude how you know I'll it's not I'm like dude how you know I'll it's not right away but I'll get an answer back right away but I'll get an answer back right away but I'll get an answer back and I was at an event recently that he and I was at an event recently that he and I was at an event recently that he was speaking at and he said you know he was speaking at and he said you know he was speaking at and he said you know he only does 30 minutes of Twitter a day only does 30 minutes of Twitter a day only does 30 minutes of Twitter a day that's it so he sets it on his schedule that's it so he sets it on his schedule that's it so he sets it on his schedule and he sits down and he's like listen and he sits down and he's like listen and he sits down and he's like listen and a you people out there you can you and a you people out there you can you and a you people out there you can you can connect with literally hundreds of can connect with literally hundreds of can connect with literally hundreds of people on Twitter every day with just 30 people on Twitter every day with just 30 people on Twitter every day with just 30 minutes um you don't don't need to be minutes um you don't don't need to be minutes um you don't don't need to be looking at it you know all day long you looking at it you know all day long you looking at it you know all day long you don't need to you know have it open he don't need to you know have it open he don't need to you know have it open he said he doesn't even have it on his said he doesn't even have it on his said he doesn't even have it on his phone he just sits down sits down on his phone he just sits down sits down on his phone he just sits down sits down on his computer cranks through it and it's computer cranks through it and it's computer cranks through it and it's funny as a as a someone on the other end funny as a as a someone on the other end funny as a as a someone on the other end that follows him I think he's done a that follows him I think he's done a that follows him I think he's done a good job developing that kind of good job developing that kind of good job developing that kind of relationship where he does and it's it relationship where he does and it's it relationship where he does and it's it doesn't take a lot to respond on Twitter doesn't take a lot to respond on Twitter doesn't take a lot to respond on Twitter um but he's been able to restrict it to um but he's been able to restrict it to um but he's been able to restrict it to you know that kind of 30 minute Bend and you know that kind of 30 minute Bend and you know that kind of 30 minute Bend and now I see that I'm like oh yeah that's now I see that I'm like oh yeah that's now I see that I'm like oh yeah that's true that's why it takes you know true that's why it takes you know true that's why it takes you know whatever four or five hours to get back whatever four or five hours to get back whatever four or five hours to get back but you don't I don't care you know but you don't I don't care you know but you don't I don't care you know that's fine um and so yeah that's you that's fine um and so yeah that's you that's fine um and so yeah that's you know that's uh that's fascinating for know that's uh that's fascinating for know that's uh that's fascinating for sure now how do you ensure um you know sure now how do you ensure um you know sure now how do you ensure um you know as a church leader I think there can be as a church leader I think there can be as a church leader I think there can be a time we just want to kind of get out a time we just want to kind of get out a time we just want to kind of get out there and and almost feels like it's there and and almost feels like it's there and and almost feels like it's just noisy the kind of stuff we're just noisy the kind of stuff we're just noisy the kind of stuff we're talking about how do we ensure that as a talking about how do we ensure that as a talking about how do we ensure that as a church we put stuff out there that church we put stuff out there that church we put stuff out there that actually makes a difference that isn't actually makes a difference that isn't actually makes a difference that isn't just more noise out into the ether yeah just more noise out into the ether yeah just more noise out into the ether yeah man I that's that's I mean it's a man I that's that's I mean it's a man I that's that's I mean it's a million-dollar question there I mean I million-dollar question there I mean I million-dollar question there I mean I think you know I think it's I one of the think you know I think it's I one of the think you know I think it's I one of the things pastors struggle with I think and things pastors struggle with I think and things pastors struggle with I think and I'm not in the local single Church uh I'm not in the local single Church uh I'm not in the local single Church uh anymore but I see pastors struggle anymore but I see pastors struggle anymore but I see pastors struggle because they'll they'll they don't

because they'll they'll they don't because they'll they'll they don't really know what Their audience is so really know what Their audience is so really know what Their audience is so every every you know most pastors if every every you know most pastors if every every you know most pastors if they're building a platform they're they're building a platform they're they're building a platform they're excited to connect with church leaders excited to connect with church leaders excited to connect with church leaders right uh you know if they're blogging right uh you know if they're blogging right uh you know if they're blogging they could be blogging on you know they could be blogging on you know they could be blogging on you know growing your church or planting but then growing your church or planting but then growing your church or planting but then you know week later is going to be a you know week later is going to be a you know week later is going to be a Blog about the church picnic that's Blog about the church picnic that's Blog about the church picnic that's coming up on Saturday you know and so coming up on Saturday you know and so coming up on Saturday you know and so make sure you get your kids there and make sure you get your kids there and make sure you get your kids there and that kind of stuff and so I think I that kind of stuff and so I think I that kind of stuff and so I think I think really and it's not even to say think really and it's not even to say think really and it's not even to say you couldn't do both but I think I think you couldn't do both but I think I think you couldn't do both but I think I think people don't really know who they're people don't really know who they're people don't really know who they're talking to right and so I think really talking to right and so I think really talking to right and so I think really figuring out you know and holding in figuring out you know and holding in figuring out you know and holding in that focus of who you're talking to I that focus of who you're talking to I that focus of who you're talking to I think as a pastor man I mean you should think as a pastor man I mean you should think as a pastor man I mean you should definitely be thinking through any definitely be thinking through any definitely be thinking through any Pastor that's just building a platform Pastor that's just building a platform Pastor that's just building a platform around other church leaders is totally around other church leaders is totally around other church leaders is totally missing it I'm not saying they shouldn't missing it I'm not saying they shouldn't missing it I'm not saying they shouldn't be but they're just missing it I mean be but they're just missing it I mean be but they're just missing it I mean people are on Facebook people on Twitter people are on Facebook people on Twitter people are on Facebook people on Twitter people on Instagram you know using those people on Instagram you know using those people on Instagram you know using those uh channels to to continue to grow a uh channels to to continue to grow a uh channels to to continue to grow a relationship with them especially as relationship with them especially as relationship with them especially as your church grows larger and it's harder your church grows larger and it's harder your church grows larger and it's harder to connect I mean it's just amazing I to connect I mean it's just amazing I to connect I mean it's just amazing I watch you know my pastor I feel like he watch you know my pastor I feel like he watch you know my pastor I feel like he does it so well but it's just amaz and does it so well but it's just amaz and does it so well but it's just amaz and we're close friends but it's just we're close friends but it's just we're close friends but it's just amazing how much I miss of his life if I amazing how much I miss of his life if I amazing how much I miss of his life if I didn't have you know I just know where didn't have you know I just know where didn't have you know I just know where he's at what he's doing and I feel he's at what he's doing and I feel he's at what he's doing and I feel connected to him on Sunday when I see connected to him on Sunday when I see connected to him on Sunday when I see him I can I when I talk to him I go dude him I can I when I talk to him I go dude him I can I when I talk to him I go dude that was awesome watching your son play that was awesome watching your son play that was awesome watching your son play that song like we're talking about that song like we're talking about that song like we're talking about things of Life immediately not going things of Life immediately not going things of Life immediately not going right what have you been doing lately right what have you been doing lately right what have you been doing lately and so I just think as a pastor you know and so I just think as a pastor you know and so I just think as a pastor you know your people will want to know about your

your people will want to know about your your people will want to know about your life and building the relationship with life and building the relationship with life and building the relationship with them responding to them um but then of them responding to them um but then of them responding to them um but then of course there are pastors out there that course there are pastors out there that course there are pastors out there that are supposed to be resourcing church are supposed to be resourcing church are supposed to be resourcing church leaders and others and so I do think leaders and others and so I do think leaders and others and so I do think they they need to to know what that is they they need to to know what that is they they need to to know what that is as well and how to how to how to share as well and how to how to how to share as well and how to how to how to share it but it it is I don't get it like I it but it it is I don't get it like I it but it it is I don't get it like I still don't know you know what makes still don't know you know what makes still don't know you know what makes people click on one post versus another people click on one post versus another people click on one post versus another you know it's pretty much if I think you know it's pretty much if I think you know it's pretty much if I think it's going to be a great thing I wrote it's going to be a great thing I wrote it's going to be a great thing I wrote pretty much no one reads it and then if pretty much no one reads it and then if pretty much no one reads it and then if it's something I think is going to be it's something I think is going to be it's something I think is going to be dumb it's like you know viral for me you dumb it's like you know viral for me you dumb it's like you know viral for me you know so it's like I don't get the the know so it's like I don't get the the know so it's like I don't get the the equation of all that I just know that equation of all that I just know that equation of all that I just know that content you know you know good content content you know you know good content content you know you know good content on a consistent basis is going to is on a consistent basis is going to is on a consistent basis is going to is going help you and serve you as a pastor going help you and serve you as a pastor going help you and serve you as a pastor and so I think you know figuring out and so I think you know figuring out and so I think you know figuring out that what what good means is a big part that what what good means is a big part that what what good means is a big part of that but but consistency in that and of that but but consistency in that and of that but but consistency in that and sharing is going to bring greater sharing is going to bring greater sharing is going to bring greater connection uh to your church and to to connection uh to your church and to to connection uh to your church and to to the people that you know care about the people that you know care about the people that you know care about what's going on in your life yeah I what's going on in your life yeah I what's going on in your life yeah I think if if you're looking for an think if if you're looking for an think if if you're looking for an example of I think a church and a church example of I think a church and a church example of I think a church and a church leader that does a good job um dividing leader that does a good job um dividing leader that does a good job um dividing those two out if you follow um Perry no those two out if you follow um Perry no those two out if you follow um Perry no um and new Springs blog it's fascinating um and new Springs blog it's fascinating um and new Springs blog it's fascinating to see because really they used Perry to see because really they used Perry to see because really they used Perry Noble or he uses Perry Noble for the Noble or he uses Perry Noble for the Noble or he uses Perry Noble for the most part to communicate to other church most part to communicate to other church most part to communicate to other church leaders and then their main Church blog leaders and then their main Church blog leaders and then their main Church blog is really targeted at their own people is really targeted at their own people is really targeted at their own people he used to do these posts where it was a he used to do these posts where it was a he used to do these posts where it was a letter to New Spring Church but really letter to New Spring Church but really letter to New Spring Church but really all that's moved over or the majority of all that's moved over or the majority of all that's moved over or the majority of that that still trickles in sometimes

that that still trickles in sometimes that that still trickles in sometimes but the majority of that has moved over but the majority of that has moved over but the majority of that has moved over which I think is a smart way to do that which I think is a smart way to do that which I think is a smart way to do that that's an that's an interesting model if that's an that's an interesting model if that's an that's an interesting model if I think I haven't looked too much of the I think I haven't looked too much of the I think I haven't looked too much of the news spring blog but I think then when news spring blog but I think then when news spring blog but I think then when it does trickle over to his blog it it's it does trickle over to his blog it it's it does trickle over to his blog it it's something that's helpful to me as a something that's helpful to me as a something that's helpful to me as a church lead you know I'm seeing how he church lead you know I'm seeing how he church lead you know I'm seeing how he communicates to his church abut it's not communicates to his church abut it's not communicates to his church abut it's not about the picnic that they're having you about the picnic that they're having you about the picnic that they're having you know what you know it's something that know what you know it's something that know what you know it's something that will give me some lesson on how to will give me some lesson on how to will give me some lesson on how to communicate um to the people of my communicate um to the people of my communicate um to the people of my church or that kind of thing absolutely church or that kind of thing absolutely church or that kind of thing absolutely all right anything else you'd love to all right anything else you'd love to all right anything else you'd love to share with our listeners this has been share with our listeners this has been share with our listeners this has been super helpful just before we jump into super helpful just before we jump into super helpful just before we jump into the lightning round no I think that's I the lightning round no I think that's I the lightning round no I think that's I think that's it I'm just excited any you think that's it I'm just excited any you think that's it I'm just excited any you know any way I could serve like I said know any way I could serve like I said know any way I could serve like I said in earlier I mean I don't do this uh in earlier I mean I don't do this uh in earlier I mean I don't do this uh from a consultant place I just love from a consultant place I just love from a consultant place I just love pastors and I love to see them grow in pastors and I love to see them grow in pastors and I love to see them grow in their way to connect with others and so their way to connect with others and so their way to connect with others and so I'm just excited that that I get a I'm just excited that that I get a I'm just excited that that I get a chance to do this with you this is the chance to do this with you this is the chance to do this with you this is the unseminary podcast stuff you wish they unseminary podcast stuff you wish they unseminary podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary all right well let's taught in seminary all right well let's taught in seminary all right well let's jump into the lightning round that part jump into the lightning round that part jump into the lightning round that part of the show where we uh talk with a of the show where we uh talk with a of the show where we uh talk with a church leader and ask the same questions church leader and ask the same questions church leader and ask the same questions really just to kind of hear it's always really just to kind of hear it's always really just to kind of hear it's always fun to hear from a wide variety of uh fun to hear from a wide variety of uh fun to hear from a wide variety of uh church leaders on various topics uh and church leaders on various topics uh and church leaders on various topics uh and so today we're super excited to have so today we're super excited to have so today we're super excited to have Justin on the phone with us so Justin Justin on the phone with us so Justin Justin on the phone with us so Justin who uh what's an online resource that who uh what's an online resource that who uh what's an online resource that that you're using these days that's that you're using these days that's that you're using these days that's particular ularly helpful to particular ularly helpful to particular ularly helpful to you I think uh especially since we're you I think uh especially since we're you I think uh especially since we're talking on the Social Media stuff I I talking on the Social Media stuff I I talking on the Social Media stuff I I mean there's this Justin wise uh Justin mean there's this Justin wise uh Justin mean there's this Justin wise uh Justin wise. net and think digital I just don't wise. net and think digital I just don't wise. net and think digital I just don't de Mo Iowa yeah who who knew you know uh de Mo Iowa yeah who who knew you know uh de Mo Iowa yeah who who knew you know uh no I just man I tell you that the no I just man I tell you that the no I just man I tell you that the content and I had a chance to teach his

content and I had a chance to teach his content and I had a chance to teach his content some of it when I was in Indian content some of it when I was in Indian content some of it when I was in Indian doing a a conference for young pastors doing a a conference for young pastors doing a a conference for young pastors over there and it's just it is the best over there and it's just it is the best over there and it's just it is the best I've seen for pastors to really start I've seen for pastors to really start I've seen for pastors to really start engaging engaging engaging their church and start developing some their church and start developing some their church and start developing some of this stuff and and it really is crazy of this stuff and and it really is crazy of this stuff and and it really is crazy how it you know from the very beginning how it you know from the very beginning how it you know from the very beginning but then intermediate and people that but then intermediate and people that but then intermediate and people that have been in it a while there's still have been in it a while there's still have been in it a while there's still there's a lot of stuff there so I think there's a lot of stuff there so I think there's a lot of stuff there so I think Justin wise think digital I think all Justin wise think digital I think all Justin wise think digital I think all pastors I mean this is um you talk about pastors I mean this is um you talk about pastors I mean this is um you talk about unseminary and the things that they're unseminary and the things that they're unseminary and the things that they're not they're they're they're 20 years not they're they're they're 20 years not they're they're they're 20 years away from even thinking about teaching away from even thinking about teaching away from even thinking about teaching that in any kind of absolutely Seminary that in any kind of absolutely Seminary that in any kind of absolutely Seminary situation AB so so I just think that's a situation AB so so I just think that's a situation AB so so I just think that's a a huge deal and I I don't like sometimes a huge deal and I I don't like sometimes a huge deal and I I don't like sometimes that it gets niched into a social media that it gets niched into a social media that it gets niched into a social media Pastor or a Communications Pastor I mean Pastor or a Communications Pastor I mean Pastor or a Communications Pastor I mean man it's just so needed for all of our man it's just so needed for all of our man it's just so needed for all of our church leaders true to understand uh church leaders true to understand uh church leaders true to understand uh both the benefits and the potential both the benefits and the potential both the benefits and the potential pitfalls as we know that can come from pitfalls as we know that can come from pitfalls as we know that can come from social media and and how we communicate social media and and how we communicate social media and and how we communicate online so that would be that would be online so that would be that would be online so that would be that would be the one i' I'd highlight yeah Justin's a the one i' I'd highlight yeah Justin's a the one i' I'd highlight yeah Justin's a great guy his think digital academy is great guy his think digital academy is great guy his think digital academy is like a membership site um and has was like a membership site um and has was like a membership site um and has was voted I think it was the the top 10 voted I think it was the the top 10 voted I think it was the the top 10 places to learn social media by Forbes places to learn social media by Forbes places to learn social media by Forbes Magazine so um he's done very well for Magazine so um he's done very well for Magazine so um he's done very well for that that Justin's a great guy um you that that Justin's a great guy um you that that Justin's a great guy um you his his podcast the think digital his his podcast the think digital his his podcast the think digital podcast is fantastic it's in my must podcast is fantastic it's in my must podcast is fantastic it's in my must listen to uh list he was on hius for a listen to uh list he was on hius for a listen to uh list he was on hius for a long time has come back so if you're long time has come back so if you're long time has come back so if you're ever interacting with him online cheer ever interacting with him online cheer ever interacting with him online cheer him that he's back doing regular uh him that he's back doing regular uh him that he's back doing regular uh podcast episodes uh that's fantastic podcast episodes uh that's fantastic podcast episodes uh that's fantastic what's a book you've read in the last I what's a book you've read in the last I what's a book you've read in the last I don't know six months to a year uh

don't know six months to a year uh don't know six months to a year uh that's had an impact on you that's kind that's had an impact on you that's kind that's had an impact on you that's kind of changing the way you think yeah of changing the way you think yeah of changing the way you think yeah that's this is an easy one for me man that's this is an easy one for me man that's this is an easy one for me man there's a book that you know that's there's a book that you know that's there's a book that you know that's really just change I mean you know it's really just change I mean you know it's really just change I mean you know it's hard to say changed my life other than hard to say changed my life other than hard to say changed my life other than the Bible but there's a book I've been the Bible but there's a book I've been the Bible but there's a book I've been reading in the last 3 months called reading in the last 3 months called reading in the last 3 months called Anonymous uh by Lady Alicia Brit choli Anonymous uh by Lady Alicia Brit choli Anonymous uh by Lady Alicia Brit choli um Alicia choli c h o l e she wrote a um Alicia choli c h o l e she wrote a um Alicia choli c h o l e she wrote a book this Anon Anonymous book is really book this Anon Anonymous book is really book this Anon Anonymous book is really about the hidden years of Jesus and about the hidden years of Jesus and about the hidden years of Jesus and basically that the the 30 years that we basically that the the 30 years that we basically that the the 30 years that we don't know but a few scriptures on of don't know but a few scriptures on of don't know but a few scriptures on of jesus' life is what prepared him for the jesus' life is what prepared him for the jesus' life is what prepared him for the three years of ministry that we know and three years of ministry that we know and three years of ministry that we know and and it kind of goes through the and it kind of goes through the and it kind of goes through the Temptations He went through and and how Temptations He went through and and how Temptations He went through and and how the those years that people don't know the those years that people don't know the those years that people don't know who we are preparing us for those years who we are preparing us for those years who we are preparing us for those years and she says something U you know that I and she says something U you know that I and she says something U you know that I love that we so often look at this the love that we so often look at this the love that we so often look at this the fullness of people's Ministry and she fullness of people's Ministry and she fullness of people's Ministry and she says fullness often distracts from says fullness often distracts from says fullness often distracts from foundation and I just love the you know foundation and I just love the you know foundation and I just love the you know the fact that we're and especially in the fact that we're and especially in the fact that we're and especially in the social media you know we're looking the social media you know we're looking the social media you know we're looking at someone that's doing something and we at someone that's doing something and we at someone that's doing something and we just see it happen immediately we just just see it happen immediately we just just see it happen immediately we just started following on Twitter or whatever started following on Twitter or whatever started following on Twitter or whatever but there's a there's a fullness there but there's a there's a fullness there but there's a there's a fullness there that's distracting from the foundation that's distracting from the foundation that's distracting from the foundation of what they've been through that's made of what they've been through that's made of what they've been through that's made them the person they are today the them the person they are today the them the person they are today the ministry they are so this Anonymous book ministry they are so this Anonymous book ministry they are so this Anonymous book has been such um such Ministry to my has been such um such Ministry to my has been such um such Ministry to my heart to go man there's a season for heart to go man there's a season for heart to go man there's a season for this there's a reason for what's this there's a reason for what's this there's a reason for what's happening in my heart right now and I happening in my heart right now and I happening in my heart right now and I think we have I mean no matter how what think we have I mean no matter how what think we have I mean no matter how what point of Fame you get to or or not point of Fame you get to or or not point of Fame you get to or or not notoriety I think we all have Anonymous notoriety I think we all have Anonymous notoriety I think we all have Anonymous Seasons that we need to go through that

Seasons that we need to go through that Seasons that we need to go through that is just a Time way for God to build is just a Time way for God to build is just a Time way for God to build something in your heart and prepare you something in your heart and prepare you something in your heart and prepare you for something that's next for you and so for something that's next for you and so for something that's next for you and so highly recommend it it it's just an Inc highly recommend it it it's just an Inc highly recommend it it it's just an Inc in fact our next young pastors gathering in fact our next young pastors gathering in fact our next young pastors gathering in Dallas I'm giving one away to every I in Dallas I'm giving one away to every I in Dallas I'm giving one away to every I already bought it from the publisher already bought it from the publisher already bought it from the publisher bought one for everyone just because I bought one for everyone just because I bought one for everyone just because I just think so highly of it very cool all just think so highly of it very cool all just think so highly of it very cool all right well what's another Ministry that right well what's another Ministry that right well what's another Ministry that you're looking to these days that's you you're looking to these days that's you you're looking to these days that's you know kind of inspiring you you know um a know kind of inspiring you you know um a know kind of inspiring you you know um a Ministry called one hope uh they're Ministry called one hope uh they're Ministry called one hope uh they're they're out of South Florida their they they're out of South Florida their they they're out of South Florida their they their Ministry is God's word every child their Ministry is God's word every child their Ministry is God's word every child so they're they their scripture so they're they their scripture so they're they their scripture engagement for children but so they're engagement for children but so they're engagement for children but so they're behind the uh the U version app for kids behind the uh the U version app for kids behind the uh the U version app for kids that just came out last I think maybe that just came out last I think maybe that just came out last I think maybe over Thanksgiving time um but but and over Thanksgiving time um but but and over Thanksgiving time um but but and they're just an unbelievable Ministry they're just an unbelievable Ministry they're just an unbelievable Ministry that I I get to partner with but they that I I get to partner with but they that I I get to partner with but they they president Rob Hoskins and Rob they president Rob Hoskins and Rob they president Rob Hoskins and Rob Hoskins dcom he is uh the stuff he's Hoskins dcom he is uh the stuff he's Hoskins dcom he is uh the stuff he's writing on missions and missions writing on missions and missions writing on missions and missions engagement and what it means for the engagement and what it means for the engagement and what it means for the 21st century um man he's a guy you would 21st century um man he's a guy you would 21st century um man he's a guy you would just love do so great to have on but he just love do so great to have on but he just love do so great to have on but he helped our church maybe five years ago helped our church maybe five years ago helped our church maybe five years ago and just helps lots of churches with and just helps lots of churches with and just helps lots of churches with what he calls Mission design so how do what he calls Mission design so how do what he calls Mission design so how do you how do you match the DNA of your you how do you match the DNA of your you how do you match the DNA of your church with what you're doing in church with what you're doing in church with what you're doing in missions it's really the only sector of missions it's really the only sector of missions it's really the only sector of the growing church that really is goes a the growing church that really is goes a the growing church that really is goes a lot of times unevaluated meaning you lot of times unevaluated meaning you lot of times unevaluated meaning you know they're just you know sending 150 know they're just you know sending 150 know they're just you know sending 150 bucks a month to 50 missionaries then bucks a month to 50 missionaries then bucks a month to 50 missionaries then when we looked into it we found out you when we looked into it we found out you when we looked into it we found out you know there were 5 10 of them that were know there were 5 10 of them that were know there were 5 10 of them that were retired you know there were a couple retired you know there were a couple retired you know there were a couple that were dead you

that were dead you that were dead you know you're just kind of sending money know you're just kind of sending money know you're just kind of sending money especially denominational so so helping especially denominational so so helping especially denominational so so helping us really think through what does it us really think through what does it us really think through what does it mean you know is your church represent mean you know is your church represent mean you know is your church represent and what that does is just generates and what that does is just generates and what that does is just generates More Money for Missions because the More Money for Missions because the More Money for Missions because the missions are resonating with the people missions are resonating with the people missions are resonating with the people the church so Rob Hoskins that Ministry the church so Rob Hoskins that Ministry the church so Rob Hoskins that Ministry has really just coming out of nowhere has really just coming out of nowhere has really just coming out of nowhere for for my heart my life as far as been for for my heart my life as far as been for for my heart my life as far as been a resource to me and I think would be a resource to me and I think would be a resource to me and I think would be huge resource to others nice very cool huge resource to others nice very cool huge resource to others nice very cool all right so if you could get 15 minutes all right so if you could get 15 minutes all right so if you could get 15 minutes alive with any or 15 minutes with any alive with any or 15 minutes with any alive with any or 15 minutes with any leader that's alive today who would you leader that's alive today who would you leader that's alive today who would you want to get that time with and why man I want to get that time with and why man I want to get that time with and why man I mean I just I don't I you know the easy mean I just I don't I you know the easy mean I just I don't I you know the easy answer for me and it's true would be the answer for me and it's true would be the answer for me and it's true would be the you know Billy Graham you know I just uh you know Billy Graham you know I just uh you know Billy Graham you know I just uh I think um man his just I just what I I think um man his just I just what I I think um man his just I just what I appreciate about him and I know I I appreciate about him and I know I I appreciate about him and I know I I haven't read all the biographies you haven't read all the biographies you haven't read all the biographies you know there might have been some know there might have been some know there might have been some controversy in the but I just appreciate controversy in the but I just appreciate controversy in the but I just appreciate the longevity without this crazy amounts the longevity without this crazy amounts the longevity without this crazy amounts of just controversy around his life and of just controversy around his life and of just controversy around his life and just you know he just did what he did just you know he just did what he did just you know he just did what he did and he kept doing it and obviously with and he kept doing it and obviously with and he kept doing it and obviously with you know great impact but I just you know great impact but I just you know great impact but I just appreciate the humility that I I see and appreciate the humility that I I see and appreciate the humility that I I see and again I grew up in Wheaten where he went again I grew up in Wheaten where he went again I grew up in Wheaten where he went to you know college so the Billy Graham to you know college so the Billy Graham to you know college so the Billy Graham Museum I would go I mean I would that Museum I would go I mean I would that Museum I would go I mean I would that was like my playground as a kid probably was like my playground as a kid probably was like my playground as a kid probably got kicked out of that you know every got kicked out of that you know every got kicked out of that you know every other week you know you know as far so other week you know you know as far so other week you know you know as far so so I just have a real love for for him so I just have a real love for for him so I just have a real love for for him um and what what he's done and I you um and what what he's done and I you um and what what he's done and I you know know that you know there's only a know know that you know there's only a know know that you know there's only a small window here of of getting that

small window here of of getting that small window here of of getting that time so that would be who I would want time so that would be who I would want time so that would be who I would want you know right now yeah definitely you know right now yeah definitely you know right now yeah definitely obviously had huge huge impact in you obviously had huge huge impact in you obviously had huge huge impact in you know just a know just a know just a massive heart for sure all right so last massive heart for sure all right so last massive heart for sure all right so last question so when you're just looking to question so when you're just looking to question so when you're just looking to kick back just have some fun you know kick back just have some fun you know kick back just have some fun you know get away from the ministry thing what do get away from the ministry thing what do get away from the ministry thing what do you do just for fun you know just relax you do just for fun you know just relax you do just for fun you know just relax a bit man uh we're we're tennis Fanatics a bit man uh we're we're tennis Fanatics a bit man uh we're we're tennis Fanatics so oh God we're not now don't don't so oh God we're not now don't don't so oh God we're not now don't don't interpret that as we're good at interpret that as we're good at interpret that as we're good at tennis um my wife and I love to play we tennis um my wife and I love to play we tennis um my wife and I love to play we both played just a little bit high both played just a little bit high both played just a little bit high school so enough to at least you know school so enough to at least you know school so enough to at least you know keep the ball going but then my daughter keep the ball going but then my daughter keep the ball going but then my daughter just got you know she's nine and she's just got you know she's nine and she's just got you know she's nine and she's into so now it's like as a parent this into so now it's like as a parent this into so now it's like as a parent this this was the dream you know when you had this was the dream you know when you had this was the dream you know when you had a kid that when they would get to an age a kid that when they would get to an age a kid that when they would get to an age at some point where you could do at some point where you could do at some point where you could do something that you both enjoy at the something that you both enjoy at the something that you both enjoy at the same time you know it's not watching The same time you know it's not watching The same time you know it's not watching The Wiggles you know it's not it's it's like Wiggles you know it's not it's it's like Wiggles you know it's not it's it's like we're playing something and enjoying we're playing something and enjoying we're playing something and enjoying ourselves together so yeah tennis is ourselves together so yeah tennis is ourselves together so yeah tennis is definitely how we relax you know get the definitely how we relax you know get the definitely how we relax you know get the get some good energy out and nice yeah get some good energy out and nice yeah get some good energy out and nice yeah we love it that's fantastic well Justin we love it that's fantastic well Justin we love it that's fantastic well Justin I really appreciate you be on the show I really appreciate you be on the show I really appreciate you be on the show today if people want to get in touch today if people want to get in touch today if people want to get in touch with you uh how can they do that how can with you uh how can they do that how can with you uh how can they do that how can they find you online sure Justin they find you online sure Justin they find you online sure Justin lather.com there's a contact form there lather.com there's a contact form there lather.com there's a contact form there but yeah I'm always excited to connect but yeah I'm always excited to connect but yeah I'm always excited to connect with church leaders and and hear what with church leaders and and hear what with church leaders and and hear what they're doing especially passionate they're doing especially passionate they're doing especially passionate about what you're doing and and making about what you're doing and and making about what you're doing and and making sure that um that church leaders have sure that um that church leaders have sure that um that church leaders have the tools they need that's why I started the tools they need that's why I started the tools they need that's why I started young pastors young pastors.com is young pastors young pastors.com is young pastors young pastors.com is another way to connect with me just on another way to connect with me just on another way to connect with me just on how do we how do we connect them you how do we how do we connect them you how do we how do we connect them you have a conference coming up this fall have a conference coming up this fall have a conference coming up this fall for young pastors too right September

for young pastors too right September for young pastors too right September 11th is the our kind of one day 11th is the our kind of one day 11th is the our kind of one day Gathering the 12th for lead pastors is Gathering the 12th for lead pastors is Gathering the 12th for lead pastors is just with uh Sam Chan Dr Sam Chan I just with uh Sam Chan Dr Sam Chan I just with uh Sam Chan Dr Sam Chan I don't sure you're familiar with him but don't sure you're familiar with him but don't sure you're familiar with him but 11th and 12th um in Dallas where're real 11th and 12th um in Dallas where're real 11th and 12th um in Dallas where're real Leonard s will be there Sam Chand Rob Leonard s will be there Sam Chand Rob Leonard s will be there Sam Chand Rob Hoskins Who I talked about so really Hoskins Who I talked about so really Hoskins Who I talked about so really excited about that there it's it's a $49 excited about that there it's it's a $49 excited about that there it's it's a $49 day but um for any you know any of your day but um for any you know any of your day but um for any you know any of your listeners they can U do a code YP listeners they can U do a code YP listeners they can U do a code YP 20104 uh for a free free registration to 20104 uh for a free free registration to 20104 uh for a free free registration to come to great well that's fantastic well come to great well that's fantastic well come to great well that's fantastic well Justin I really appreciate you being on Justin I really appreciate you being on Justin I really appreciate you being on the show today and have a great weekend the show today and have a great weekend the show today and have a great weekend hopefully get some tennis in I will hopefully get some tennis in I will hopefully get some tennis in I will thank you so much thanks so much all thank you so much thanks so much all thank you so much thanks so much all right thank you for tuning in to this right thank you for tuning in to this right thank you for tuning in to this week's unseminary podcast don't be shy week's unseminary podcast don't be shy week's unseminary podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out we'd love to connect check out we'd love to connect check out unseminary inbox you can sign up at unseminary inbox you can sign up at unseminary inbox you can sign up at unseminary dcom and we'll send you unseminary dcom and we'll send you unseminary dcom and we'll send you helpful training resources every week helpful training resources every week helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our plus you'll gain immediate access to our plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive members area with tons of exclusive members area with tons of exclusive members area with tons of resources you can use connect with Rich resources you can use connect with Rich resources you can use connect with Rich on Twitter at Rich Birch or through on Twitter at Rich Birch or through on Twitter at Rich Birch or through email rich unseminary email rich unseminary email rich unseminary to check out the show notes for this to check out the show notes for this to check out the show notes for this episode at unseminary tocom it includes episode at unseminary tocom it includes episode at unseminary tocom it includes links to what we talked about today and links to what we talked about today and links to what we talked about today and more leave a comment we'd love to hear more leave a comment we'd love to hear more leave a comment we'd love to hear from you did you enjoy today's episode from you did you enjoy today's episode from you did you enjoy today's episode drop by iTunes and leave a review Thanks drop by iTunes and leave a review Thanks drop by iTunes and leave a review Thanks again for tuning in to this week's un again for tuning in to this week's un again for tuning in to this week's un Seminary podcast join us next week when Seminary podcast join us next week when Seminary podcast join us next week when we'll learn more stuff we wish they we'll learn more stuff we wish they we'll learn more stuff we wish they taught in seminary