Phill Christiansen gives practical insights from a turn around church that went from 500 to 2900!

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about four and a half four years ago and about four and a half four years ago and at the time the lead pastor had just at the time the lead pastor had just at the time the lead pastor had just gotten here and the church was about 500 gotten here and the church was about 500 gotten here and the church was about 500 people and at 500 people it was people and at 500 people it was people and at 500 people it was declining it was at church but with a declining it was at church but with a declining it was at church but with a choir and orchestra and just wasn't choir and orchestra and just wasn't choir and orchestra and just wasn't reaching its community so pastor Kevin reaching its community so pastor Kevin reaching its community so pastor Kevin the lead pastor came in and said let's the lead pastor came in and said let's the lead pastor came in and said let's change things up with create tension change things up with create tension change things up with create tension let's introduce tension so that we can let's introduce tension so that we can let's introduce tension so that we can propel the mission forward and so from propel the mission forward and so from propel the mission forward and so from there it's just been like I said a there it's just been like I said a there it's just been like I said a rocket ship we've grown from about 500 rocket ship we've grown from about 500 rocket ship we've grown from about 500 to we had 2900 last weekend in love to we had 2900 last weekend in love to we had 2900 last weekend in love course as well for years oh my god is course as well for years oh my god is course as well for years oh my god is incredible growth yeah it's been fun and incredible growth yeah it's been fun and incredible growth yeah it's been fun and we're adding gatherings and meeting we're adding gatherings and meeting we're adding gatherings and meeting people people people this last year we grew by 641 people this last year we grew by 641 people this last year we grew by 641 people year-over-year and we had 646 salvations year-over-year and we had 646 salvations year-over-year and we had 646 salvations in the same time period oh we're in the same time period oh we're in the same time period oh we're reaching people they're coming they're reaching people they're coming they're reaching people they're coming they're sticking their getting saved so for us sticking their getting saved so for us sticking their getting saved so for us that's that's kind of mission that's that's kind of mission that's that's kind of mission accomplished so yeah it's been a wild accomplished so yeah it's been a wild accomplished so yeah it's been a wild journey to get from there to here but journey to get from there to here but journey to get from there to here but it's fun and doesn't show any kind of it's fun and doesn't show any kind of it's fun and doesn't show any kind of phone down that's amazing that's that's phone down that's amazing that's that's phone down that's amazing that's that's really really cool the you-know-whats so really really cool the you-know-whats so really really cool the you-know-whats so obviously a lot of churches that are obviously a lot of churches that are obviously a lot of churches that are listening in were like wow that's they listening in were like wow that's they listening in were like wow that's they would love to tell that story of like would love to tell that story of like would love to tell that story of like they're flatlined at that we have a lot they're flatlined at that we have a lot they're flatlined at that we have a lot of churches in that five six hundred six of churches in that five six hundred six of churches in that five six hundred six seven hundred range i looked i think seven hundred range i looked i think seven hundred range i looked i think that apart a little bit understand some that apart a little bit understand some that apart a little bit understand some of that so you know what we'll say you of that so you know what we'll say you of that so you know what we'll say you know what have you kind of focused on or know what have you kind of focused on or know what have you kind of focused on or what has changed at the church where what has changed at the church where what has changed at the church where were the tensions that you created as were the tensions that you created as were the tensions that you created as leaders at the church to help see some

leaders at the church to help see some leaders at the church to help see some of that girl to take place absolutely of that girl to take place absolutely of that girl to take place absolutely you know the the single biggest you know the the single biggest you know the the single biggest contributing factor if i had to put it contributing factor if i had to put it contributing factor if i had to put it on one thing would be vision since it on one thing would be vision since it on one thing would be vision since it pastor Kevin came with a renewed vision pastor Kevin came with a renewed vision pastor Kevin came with a renewed vision that was just lazer sharp and we as a that was just lazer sharp and we as a that was just lazer sharp and we as a team kind of collaborated put some words team kind of collaborated put some words team kind of collaborated put some words to it and it's creating opportunities to it and it's creating opportunities to it and it's creating opportunities for people to experience God in a for people to experience God in a for people to experience God in a life-changing way but that's the life-changing way but that's the life-changing way but that's the sentence that you'll hear daily every sentence that you'll hear daily every sentence that you'll hear daily every day that we're here everything we do day that we're here everything we do day that we're here everything we do runs through that filter and by runs through that filter and by runs through that filter and by establishing that vision everything came establishing that vision everything came establishing that vision everything came under that umbrella nobody had a pet under that umbrella nobody had a pet under that umbrella nobody had a pet project over here over there many project over here over there many project over here over there many ministries wasn't over here doing ministries wasn't over here doing ministries wasn't over here doing something that I everything we do is to something that I everything we do is to something that I everything we do is to create opportunities for people to create opportunities for people to create opportunities for people to experience God in life changing length experience God in life changing length experience God in life changing length and that clarity helped us make decision and that clarity helped us make decision and that clarity helped us make decision like I said we had a acquiring an like I said we had a acquiring an like I said we had a acquiring an orchestra big Christmas production that orchestra big Christmas production that orchestra big Christmas production that the Christmas production was huge a ton the Christmas production was huge a ton the Christmas production was huge a ton of people in the community would come to of people in the community would come to of people in the community would come to it thousands every year but it wasn't it thousands every year but it wasn't it thousands every year but it wasn't creating opportunities for people to creating opportunities for people to creating opportunities for people to experience God in a life-changing way experience God in a life-changing way experience God in a life-changing way and we said you know it's it's a good and we said you know it's it's a good and we said you know it's it's a good thing but it's not accomplishing the thing but it's not accomplishing the thing but it's not accomplishing the mission but we need to be a mission but we need to be a mission but we need to be a mission-driven organization and mission-driven organization and mission-driven organization and interesting by establishing kind of that interesting by establishing kind of that interesting by establishing kind of that filter it allowed us to to home in on filter it allowed us to to home in on filter it allowed us to to home in on you know but what do we want to do what you know but what do we want to do what you know but what do we want to do what do we want to be busy with and what no do we want to be busy with and what no do we want to be busy with and what no we want to be a bit very close the the we want to be a bit very close the the we want to be a bit very close the the when you think about the kind of when you think about the kind of when you think about the kind of trickle-down impacts our trickle-down impacts our trickle-down impacts our there are areas where you know when you there are areas where you know when you there are areas where you know when you look back over the last few years as look back over the last few years as look back over the last few years as you've you know focused more tightly on you've you know focused more tightly on you've you know focused more tightly on the mission that it's made an impact

the mission that it's made an impact the mission that it's made an impact that you've actually like oh we've that you've actually like oh we've that you've actually like oh we've changed this we've changed that what are changed this we've changed that what are changed this we've changed that what are some of those things that you know that some of those things that you know that some of those things that you know that you that have made a difference you know you that have made a difference you know you that have made a difference you know as having a better focused on your as having a better focused on your as having a better focused on your mission has made a difference yeah mission has made a difference yeah mission has made a difference yeah across the board I would did there's not across the board I would did there's not across the board I would did there's not an area the church that that hasn't an area the church that that hasn't an area the church that that hasn't touched the is the big one is our that touched the is the big one is our that touched the is the big one is our that we changed the name of our church so we changed the name of our church so we changed the name of our church so about 32 years ago we changed the name about 32 years ago we changed the name about 32 years ago we changed the name it was kalispell Christian Center we it was kalispell Christian Center we it was kalispell Christian Center we changed it to be canvas church and you changed it to be canvas church and you changed it to be canvas church and you mentioned tension a little bit ago that mentioned tension a little bit ago that mentioned tension a little bit ago that was an example of how we created tension was an example of how we created tension was an example of how we created tension so that we could resolve it later we so that we could resolve it later we so that we could resolve it later we when we got here it was kalispell when we got here it was kalispell when we got here it was kalispell christian center had been that way for a christian center had been that way for a christian center had been that way for a long time that kind of represented the long time that kind of represented the long time that kind of represented the old way of doing things the choir the old way of doing things the choir the old way of doing things the choir the orchestra that that's how we were known orchestra that that's how we were known orchestra that that's how we were known in the community and we said you know in the community and we said you know in the community and we said you know let's introduce kind of this new name let's introduce kind of this new name let's introduce kind of this new name and it was Cal CC else with our URL what and it was Cal CC else with our URL what and it was Cal CC else with our URL what else is new org and I hope the kid else is new org and I hope the kid else is new org and I hope the kid Department ever'body call this Cal CC Department ever'body call this Cal CC Department ever'body call this Cal CC the adult call this Christian Center and the adult call this Christian Center and the adult call this Christian Center and we said let's intentionally let's just we said let's intentionally let's just we said let's intentionally let's just tension be because people are going to tension be because people are going to tension be because people are going to be frustrated or what are we re be frustrated or what are we re be frustrated or what are we re Christian Center are we callously seated Christian Center are we callously seated Christian Center are we callously seated who are we it's we're able to come in who are we it's we're able to come in who are we it's we're able to come in and say look we know we need to change and say look we know we need to change and say look we know we need to change the name we don't like either of these the name we don't like either of these the name we don't like either of these so now let's come together be canvas and so now let's come together be canvas and so now let's come together be canvas and everybody rallied together so by not everybody rallied together so by not everybody rallied together so by not coming in and resolving that tension coming in and resolving that tension coming in and resolving that tension right away we're able to say we kind of right away we're able to say we kind of right away we're able to say we kind of left it there let it grow and then at left it there let it grow and then at left it there let it grow and then at the right time we're all the point the right time we're all the point the right time we're all the point people and say hey this is where we want people and say hey this is where we want people and say hey this is where we want to go know that that was an example of

to go know that that was an example of to go know that that was an example of one way that we're able to say hey you one way that we're able to say hey you one way that we're able to say hey you know what our vision is important and know what our vision is important and know what our vision is important and here's how we can join together in that here's how we can join together in that here's how we can join together in that very cool now one of the things even very cool now one of the things even very cool now one of the things even just listening to you I hear a lot of just listening to you I hear a lot of just listening to you I hear a lot of teamwork a lot of oh ha you know where teamwork a lot of oh ha you know where teamwork a lot of oh ha you know where use we language law tell me about that use we language law tell me about that use we language law tell me about that what kind of you know how does teamwork what kind of you know how does teamwork what kind of you know how does teamwork play into what you're doing at it at you play into what you're doing at it at you play into what you're doing at it at you know I canvas hey everything we do is know I canvas hey everything we do is know I canvas hey everything we do is team that this one of our values it came team that this one of our values it came team that this one of our values it came about I thinkin message number two maybe about I thinkin message number two maybe about I thinkin message number two maybe some pastor Kevin Lee he said you know some pastor Kevin Lee he said you know some pastor Kevin Lee he said you know we we want to be a wee church it's not a we we want to be a wee church it's not a we we want to be a wee church it's not a meterse itanagar its weak and meterse itanagar its weak and meterse itanagar its weak and that actually ended up at one of our that actually ended up at one of our that actually ended up at one of our values we church that that we do church values we church that that we do church values we church that that we do church together and from the top-level together and from the top-level together and from the top-level leadership team it's never been Kevin's leadership team it's never been Kevin's leadership team it's never been Kevin's church and Kevin's preaching it's never church and Kevin's preaching it's never church and Kevin's preaching it's never been John's worship it's the worship been John's worship it's the worship been John's worship it's the worship team the teaching team Kevin's the team the teaching team Kevin's the team the teaching team Kevin's the primary communicators no doubt about primary communicators no doubt about primary communicators no doubt about that everybody knows who we hit but he's that everybody knows who we hit but he's that everybody knows who we hit but he's doing everything you can to raise up new doing everything you can to raise up new doing everything you can to raise up new leaders new communicators and worship leaders new communicators and worship leaders new communicators and worship leaders that everything we do is as a leaders that everything we do is as a leaders that everything we do is as a team and hey we really feel like you team and hey we really feel like you team and hey we really feel like you know what's the one you can go faster by know what's the one you can go faster by know what's the one you can go faster by yourself being you go farther together yourself being you go farther together yourself being you go farther together then really we are we are going farther then really we are we are going farther then really we are we are going farther because those owen together and but because those owen together and but because those owen together and but we're highly collaborative it i think we we're highly collaborative it i think we we're highly collaborative it i think we might get into later some of the tools might get into later some of the tools might get into later some of the tools that we use to collaborate but but that we use to collaborate but but that we use to collaborate but but everything we do is collaborative we do everything we do is collaborative we do everything we do is collaborative we do everything together and when we succeed everything together and when we succeed everything together and when we succeed we succeed as a team and when we fail we we succeed as a team and when we fail we we succeed as a team and when we fail we pick it apart of the team and say hey pick it apart of the team and say hey pick it apart of the team and say hey hey how did we do this why'd you end up

hey how did we do this why'd you end up hey how did we do this why'd you end up here and we learned from latin girl why here and we learned from latin girl why here and we learned from latin girl why are we talking a little bit about that are we talking a little bit about that are we talking a little bit about that what are some of those ways that you're what are some of those ways that you're what are some of those ways that you're you know collaborator give us some you know collaborator give us some you know collaborator give us some examples of ya um a tangible one every examples of ya um a tangible one every examples of ya um a tangible one every tuesday we get together as a pastoral tuesday we get together as a pastoral tuesday we get together as a pastoral team and we we all set the agenda so we team and we we all set the agenda so we team and we we all set the agenda so we use google docs for everything we've got use google docs for everything we've got use google docs for everything we've got a google doc for every week and we all a google doc for every week and we all a google doc for every week and we all come in and contribute to the agenda so come in and contribute to the agenda so come in and contribute to the agenda so pastor kevin will have a few points but pastor kevin will have a few points but pastor kevin will have a few points but whoever wants to can create their own whoever wants to can create their own whoever wants to can create their own components of the agenda and so then we components of the agenda and so then we components of the agenda and so then we all go through and it's not his meeting all go through and it's not his meeting all go through and it's not his meeting it's our meeting that we as a pastoral it's our meeting that we as a pastoral it's our meeting that we as a pastoral king or contributing equally to the king or contributing equally to the king or contributing equally to the meeting he's the leader but will all meeting he's the leader but will all meeting he's the leader but will all contribute equally turn on is so that's contribute equally turn on is so that's contribute equally turn on is so that's one you know we have a pretty unique one you know we have a pretty unique one you know we have a pretty unique culture that we fight hard to keep our culture that we fight hard to keep our culture that we fight hard to keep our culture to maintain our culture it we culture to maintain our culture it we culture to maintain our culture it we say that we never have a culture we're say that we never have a culture we're say that we never have a culture we're always creating our culture and that's always creating our culture and that's always creating our culture and that's good enough and so in that we you know good enough and so in that we you know good enough and so in that we you know everything we do is to establish that everything we do is to establish that everything we do is to establish that culture to create that culture and in culture to create that culture and in culture to create that culture and in doing that we've kind of let you defined doing that we've kind of let you defined doing that we've kind of let you defined it that we defined it as a team and then it that we defined it as a team and then it that we defined it as a team and then we enforce it together as a team mmm we enforce it together as a team mmm we enforce it together as a team mmm very cool what do you guys do you know I very cool what do you guys do you know I very cool what do you guys do you know I know some church know some church know some church they struggle around they're willing to they struggle around they're willing to they struggle around they're willing to do evaluation on the fringes let's say do evaluation on the fringes let's say do evaluation on the fringes let's say well we had a special event and we well we had a special event and we well we had a special event and we evaluated that what do you guys do about evaluated that what do you guys do about evaluated that what do you guys do about the core stuff so like weekend services the core stuff so like weekend services the core stuff so like weekend services teaching you know are you doing anything

teaching you know are you doing anything teaching you know are you doing anything on that to kind of evaluate what's on that to kind of evaluate what's on that to kind of evaluate what's happening there absolutely it constantly happening there absolutely it constantly happening there absolutely it constantly and immediately it is how we view and immediately it is how we view and immediately it is how we view feedback um so like nothing is above feedback um so like nothing is above feedback um so like nothing is above nothing is too big or too small to be nothing is too big or too small to be nothing is too big or too small to be evaluated if any one thing makes us evaluated if any one thing makes us evaluated if any one thing makes us cringe we talked about it and we fix it cringe we talked about it and we fix it cringe we talked about it and we fix it right away it could be you know the coat right away it could be you know the coat right away it could be you know the coat rack in the lobby you know I've always rack in the lobby you know I've always rack in the lobby you know I've always not like that it's done it's gone that not like that it's done it's gone that not like that it's done it's gone that point in your message I didn't like that point in your message I didn't like that point in your message I didn't like that it's done it's gone it's changed pastor it's done it's gone it's changed pastor it's done it's gone it's changed pastor Kevin he preaches for the first time on Kevin he preaches for the first time on Kevin he preaches for the first time on a Thursday afternoon and there's a whole a Thursday afternoon and there's a whole a Thursday afternoon and there's a whole team there to evaluate it and so he said team there to evaluate it and so he said team there to evaluate it and so he said I'm not above this evaluation and really I'm not above this evaluation and really I'm not above this evaluation and really starts with him he said that if we're starts with him he said that if we're starts with him he said that if we're going to have a culture that values going to have a culture that values going to have a culture that values collaboration that values kind of collaboration that values kind of collaboration that values kind of working together I can't be above the working together I can't be above the working together I can't be above the critique so he preaches his whole critique so he preaches his whole critique so he preaches his whole message the team comes back in today I message the team comes back in today I message the team comes back in today I like this point I didn't like that point like this point I didn't like that point like this point I didn't like that point let's revise here and really gives a lot let's revise here and really gives a lot let's revise here and really gives a lot of voice for people to work into it of voice for people to work into it of voice for people to work into it message very cool so and and then message very cool so and and then message very cool so and and then between gatherings as well so who's between gatherings as well so who's between gatherings as well so who's between the you know nine and ten thirty between the you know nine and ten thirty between the you know nine and ten thirty he'll sit down with a group of people he'll sit down with a group of people he'll sit down with a group of people and say hey you know how'd that go how and say hey you know how'd that go how and say hey you know how'd that go how does this work how can i improve hear does this work how can i improve hear does this work how can i improve hear that it's a constant its immediate and that it's a constant its immediate and that it's a constant its immediate and then it's fixed so it's in that there's then it's fixed so it's in that there's then it's fixed so it's in that there's not like evaluations every six months not like evaluations every six months not like evaluations every six months hey you know that point that you did hey you know that point that you did hey you know that point that you did three months ago this immediate and three months ago this immediate and three months ago this immediate and running were able to make mid-course

running were able to make mid-course running were able to make mid-course correction pivot absolutely well either correction pivot absolutely well either correction pivot absolutely well either maybe people listening in there like maybe people listening in there like maybe people listening in there like well that's a lot of evaluation what do well that's a lot of evaluation what do well that's a lot of evaluation what do you do I'm sure on the other end you do you do I'm sure on the other end you do you do I'm sure on the other end you do a lot of celebration as well because a a lot of celebration as well because a a lot of celebration as well because a big part you know you the more in fact big part you know you the more in fact big part you know you the more in fact I've found in my own ministry the more I've found in my own ministry the more I've found in my own ministry the more we kind of ratchet up the ok we're going we kind of ratchet up the ok we're going we kind of ratchet up the ok we're going to be constantly improving you've got to to be constantly improving you've got to to be constantly improving you've got to ratchet up the celebration what does ratchet up the celebration what does ratchet up the celebration what does that look like you're in your culture that look like you're in your culture that look like you're in your culture again with everything it's very again with everything it's very again with everything it's very corporate we call it celebrating win corporate we call it celebrating win corporate we call it celebrating win celebrate celebrate celebrate wins is the core of what we do it's wins is the core of what we do it's wins is the core of what we do it's really kind of we say that celebrating really kind of we say that celebrating really kind of we say that celebrating wins is the fuel for the vision that we wins is the fuel for the vision that we wins is the fuel for the vision that we as a team gather together the whole team as a team gather together the whole team as a team gather together the whole team everybody in the organization it's a everybody in the organization it's a everybody in the organization it's a mandatory meeting Tuesday morning and mandatory meeting Tuesday morning and mandatory meeting Tuesday morning and we'll spend 20 minutes just spouting off we'll spend 20 minutes just spouting off we'll spend 20 minutes just spouting off wins one after the other after the other wins one after the other after the other wins one after the other after the other that it's you know this person came for that it's you know this person came for that it's you know this person came for the first time this person heard about the first time this person heard about the first time this person heard about canvas for the first time this person's canvas for the first time this person's canvas for the first time this person's life was a mess and they got connected life was a mess and they got connected life was a mess and they got connected to canvas and now they're doing great to canvas and now they're doing great to canvas and now they're doing great this person got baptized this is their this person got baptized this is their this person got baptized this is their story to just incredible winds from story to just incredible winds from story to just incredible winds from everybody in the organization because everybody in the organization because everybody in the organization because everybody carries that onus that says i everybody carries that onus that says i everybody carries that onus that says i am the church that I don't just work am the church that I don't just work am the church that I don't just work here but I am and so as we're out doing here but I am and so as we're out doing here but I am and so as we're out doing life as we're recording baptism videos life as we're recording baptism videos life as we're recording baptism videos that we share those wins and the that we share those wins and the that we share those wins and the important thing about sharing those wins important thing about sharing those wins important thing about sharing those wins is that we don't just celebrate what is that we don't just celebrate what is that we don't just celebrate what happened in the past but we celebrate happened in the past but we celebrate happened in the past but we celebrate what happened in the past so that we can what happened in the past so that we can what happened in the past so that we can look forward so every every win that we

look forward so every every win that we look forward so every every win that we celebrate have to be attached to the celebrate have to be attached to the celebrate have to be attached to the vision sport doesn't count it's so you vision sport doesn't count it's so you vision sport doesn't count it's so you know we'll say hey this person got saved know we'll say hey this person got saved know we'll say hey this person got saved this last week but it's pretty easy to this last week but it's pretty easy to this last week but it's pretty easy to tie the division because their life was tie the division because their life was tie the division because their life was changed yo or this person came to campus changed yo or this person came to campus changed yo or this person came to campus for the first time or got plugged in how for the first time or got plugged in how for the first time or got plugged in how would that well that's helping us create would that well that's helping us create would that well that's helping us create opportunities that everything we do opportunities that everything we do opportunities that everything we do again ties back to that vision and again ties back to that vision and again ties back to that vision and celebrating wind is a fantastic celebrating wind is a fantastic celebrating wind is a fantastic corporate way to say hey we as a church corporate way to say hey we as a church corporate way to say hey we as a church we together are accomplishing the we together are accomplishing the we together are accomplishing the mission that we're setting out to do mission that we're setting out to do mission that we're setting out to do okay very cool well check out directions okay very cool well check out directions okay very cool well check out directions a little bit what I think about kind of a little bit what I think about kind of a little bit what I think about kind of your weekend services what you're doing your weekend services what you're doing your weekend services what you're doing there you know I know you mentioned it there you know I know you mentioned it there you know I know you mentioned it earlier you talked about how you had earlier you talked about how you had earlier you talked about how you had kind of like a big you know Christmas kind of like a big you know Christmas kind of like a big you know Christmas thing I know a lot of churches will do thing I know a lot of churches will do thing I know a lot of churches will do kind of big days or big special days how kind of big days or big special days how kind of big days or big special days how has that you know how does that impact has that you know how does that impact has that you know how does that impact what you do on the weekends are you yet what you do on the weekends are you yet what you do on the weekends are you yet what does that look like for you guys what does that look like for you guys what does that look like for you guys yeah yeah for us we everything is about yeah yeah for us we everything is about yeah yeah for us we everything is about the weekend everything we do is about the weekend everything we do is about the weekend everything we do is about the weekend and that was one of the the the weekend and that was one of the the the weekend and that was one of the the key drivers of kind of that turnaround key drivers of kind of that turnaround key drivers of kind of that turnaround right at the beginning but we said that right at the beginning but we said that right at the beginning but we said that non-negotiable we will be all about the non-negotiable we will be all about the non-negotiable we will be all about the weekend every weekend is game day it's weekend every weekend is game day it's weekend every weekend is game day it's why we do ever why we do ever why we do ever we staff that direction we we put all of we staff that direction we we put all of we staff that direction we we put all of our resources into the weekend and kind our resources into the weekend and kind our resources into the weekend and kind of the three big pillars of that our of the three big pillars of that our of the three big pillars of that our worship word and kids ministry that we worship word and kids ministry that we worship word and kids ministry that we will have relevant Bible teaching that will have relevant Bible teaching that will have relevant Bible teaching that when you come in it the Bible is when you come in it the Bible is when you come in it the Bible is preached and that it will change your preached and that it will change your preached and that it will change your life that worship is engaging it's

life that worship is engaging it's life that worship is engaging it's powerful its dynamic and kids ministries powerful its dynamic and kids ministries powerful its dynamic and kids ministries that we are a family minded church then that we are a family minded church then that we are a family minded church then we love kids that we are known in our we love kids that we are known in our we love kids that we are known in our community if you've got a family that community if you've got a family that community if you've got a family that you got to be a canvas that what we've you got to be a canvas that what we've you got to be a canvas that what we've got wrong for kids is phenomenal so got wrong for kids is phenomenal so got wrong for kids is phenomenal so we've said that no matter what we do we've said that no matter what we do we've said that no matter what we do where we go what it looks like those where we go what it looks like those where we go what it looks like those three pillars will always be in place three pillars will always be in place three pillars will always be in place because worship word in kid ministries because worship word in kid ministries because worship word in kid ministries is at the core of what we do mom and is at the core of what we do mom and is at the core of what we do mom and then from there we said that every then from there we said that every then from there we said that every weekend is going to be consistent you weekend is going to be consistent you weekend is going to be consistent you know we were defined a little bit by you know we were defined a little bit by you know we were defined a little bit by you know we had this special music this week know we had this special music this week know we had this special music this week we had the special speaker that week we had the special speaker that week we had the special speaker that week okay we're always doing something okay we're always doing something okay we're always doing something special it after time this special kind special it after time this special kind special it after time this special kind of wore off I didn't know it every of wore off I didn't know it every of wore off I didn't know it every weekend is a great weekend to bring your weekend is a great weekend to bring your weekend is a great weekend to bring your friend if you don't know who Jesus is friend if you don't know who Jesus is friend if you don't know who Jesus is it's a great weekend to come if you've it's a great weekend to come if you've it's a great weekend to come if you've been in Christ believe your whole life been in Christ believe your whole life been in Christ believe your whole life it's a great weekend to come then when it's a great weekend to come then when it's a great weekend to come then when you come it doesn't we're going to sing you come it doesn't we're going to sing you come it doesn't we're going to sing the same song every weekend but it's the same song every weekend but it's the same song every weekend but it's going to feel the same you know what to going to feel the same you know what to going to feel the same you know what to expect when you walk in and that really expect when you walk in and that really expect when you walk in and that really built a lot of confidence as we were built a lot of confidence as we were built a lot of confidence as we were turning around churches we're making a turning around churches we're making a turning around churches we're making a lot of changes people we'd encourage lot of changes people we'd encourage lot of changes people we'd encourage people hype invite your friends invite people hype invite your friends invite people hype invite your friends invite your friend and they would because they your friend and they would because they your friend and they would because they knew what was going to happen they knew knew what was going to happen they knew knew what was going to happen they knew it was going to be a great experience it was going to be a great experience it was going to be a great experience worship word kid ministries and that worship word kid ministries and that worship word kid ministries and that week after week is going to be the same week after week is going to be the same week after week is going to be the same thing so that really built confidence in thing so that really built confidence in thing so that really built confidence in people to invite their friends mmhmm people to invite their friends mmhmm people to invite their friends mmhmm yeah at that point there is good this yeah at that point there is good this yeah at that point there is good this exponential yeah that's why it's very exponential yeah that's why it's very exponential yeah that's why it's very good I think that's a subtle um you know good I think that's a subtle um you know good I think that's a subtle um you know a subtle thing I just want to underline a subtle thing I just want to underline a subtle thing I just want to underline here I know in you know in our church as

here I know in you know in our church as here I know in you know in our church as we've been growing a part of and as I've we've been growing a part of and as I've we've been growing a part of and as I've led you know Trish that have grown led you know Trish that have grown led you know Trish that have grown there's this I think sometimes we talk there's this I think sometimes we talk there's this I think sometimes we talk about the value of excellence in our about the value of excellence in our about the value of excellence in our weekend services and although that's weekend services and although that's weekend services and although that's important is important to do an important is important to do an important is important to do an excellent job I like what you've hit on excellent job I like what you've hit on excellent job I like what you've hit on with consistency because I think with consistency because I think with consistency because I think actually consistency i think is actually actually consistency i think is actually actually consistency i think is actually a bigger bigger deal than excellence a bigger bigger deal than excellence a bigger bigger deal than excellence because because because when when you think about when someone when when you think about when someone when when you think about when someone cooler churches grow because people cooler churches grow because people cooler churches grow because people invite their friends all our researchers invite their friends all our researchers invite their friends all our researchers grow because someone tells their friend grow because someone tells their friend grow because someone tells their friend they should come if I tell my friend you they should come if I tell my friend you they should come if I tell my friend you know when you're going to show up this know when you're going to show up this know when you're going to show up this week into canvas you man they've got week into canvas you man they've got week into canvas you man they've got great kids ministry and they've got like great kids ministry and they've got like great kids ministry and they've got like a killer band and like great worship a killer band and like great worship a killer band and like great worship music and great teaching and if I ask music and great teaching and if I ask music and great teaching and if I ask them like oh what's to tell me about the them like oh what's to tell me about the them like oh what's to tell me about the music what's that like and they explain music what's that like and they explain music what's that like and they explain you know like a great band or whatever you know like a great band or whatever you know like a great band or whatever and then I show up to canvas and that and then I show up to canvas and that and then I show up to canvas and that weekend you have an orchestra and then weekend you have an orchestra and then weekend you have an orchestra and then it's like a hundred piece orchestra and it's like a hundred piece orchestra and it's like a hundred piece orchestra and it's amazing quality like it's not it's it's amazing quality like it's not it's it's amazing quality like it's not it's not like it's not bad it's actually very not like it's not bad it's actually very not like it's not bad it's actually very good quality I've created attention good quality I've created attention good quality I've created attention because I've now not missed the I've because I've now not missed the I've because I've now not missed the I've made out the expectation absence made out the expectation absence made out the expectation absence actually an issue of quality it's an actually an issue of quality it's an actually an issue of quality it's an issue of consistency absolutely it's issue of consistency absolutely it's issue of consistency absolutely it's interesting anything interesting you say interesting anything interesting you say interesting anything interesting you say excellent that's a line we use a lot is excellent that's a line we use a lot is excellent that's a line we use a lot is the difference between good enough and the difference between good enough and the difference between good enough and excellence yeah that for us we define excellence yeah that for us we define excellence yeah that for us we define good enough as some the end user so the good enough as some the end user so the good enough as some the end user so the end user defines a good enough line and end user defines a good enough line and end user defines a good enough line and we use this language all the time that we use this language all the time that we use this language all the time that somebody walks in and no they define somebody walks in and no they define somebody walks in and no they define what's good enough that if they cringe

what's good enough that if they cringe what's good enough that if they cringe it's not good enough right but it so it's not good enough right but it so it's not good enough right but it so often we'll spend so many resources often we'll spend so many resources often we'll spend so many resources going from good enough to excellent that going from good enough to excellent that going from good enough to excellent that they never even they don't know the they never even they don't know the they never even they don't know the difference a perfect example as we did a difference a perfect example as we did a difference a perfect example as we did a recent remodel and it was a few million recent remodel and it was a few million recent remodel and it was a few million dollars in in the remodel we're running dollars in in the remodel we're running dollars in in the remodel we're running over budget or in the design phase we over budget or in the design phase we over budget or in the design phase we said what we have to cut something and said what we have to cut something and said what we have to cut something and we had this elaborate wooden pallet we had this elaborate wooden pallet we had this elaborate wooden pallet ceiling thing there's going to cost a ceiling thing there's going to cost a ceiling thing there's going to cost a ton of money and we said you know we ton of money and we said you know we ton of money and we said you know we could put a couple of pallets suspended could put a couple of pallets suspended could put a couple of pallets suspended paint the rest of it black and we'll get paint the rest of it black and we'll get paint the rest of it black and we'll get the same feel mmm whenever people walk the same feel mmm whenever people walk the same feel mmm whenever people walk in they don't look up and think man that in they don't look up and think man that in they don't look up and think man that should have an elaborate wood ceiling should have an elaborate wood ceiling should have an elaborate wood ceiling that has all this in a clock interesting that has all this in a clock interesting that has all this in a clock interesting man this place is beautiful yes they man this place is beautiful yes they man this place is beautiful yes they don't notice what could have been don't notice what could have been don't notice what could have been excellent but we can take that few excellent but we can take that few excellent but we can take that few thousand dollars and put that better thousand dollars and put that better thousand dollars and put that better elsewhere because it's good enough if elsewhere because it's good enough if elsewhere because it's good enough if they walked inside man this place is they walked inside man this place is they walked inside man this place is really needing them help that's not good really needing them help that's not good really needing them help that's not good enough for their cringing they notice it enough for their cringing they notice it enough for their cringing they notice it so for us it's about the allocation and so for us it's about the allocation and so for us it's about the allocation and resources that that good enough we have resources that that good enough we have resources that that good enough we have to be above the good enough line in to be above the good enough line in to be above the good enough line in every every every thing we do and by not going for thing we do and by not going for thing we do and by not going for absolute excellence we can spread our absolute excellence we can spread our absolute excellence we can spread our resources around a little partner this resources around a little partner this resources around a little partner this is the unset Maneri podcast stuff you is the unset Maneri podcast stuff you is the unset Maneri podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary well we're wish they taught in seminary well we're wish they taught in seminary well we're going to jump into the lightning around going to jump into the lightning around going to jump into the lightning around that part of the episode where we have that part of the episode where we have that part of the episode where we have similar questions everybody that's on similar questions everybody that's on similar questions everybody that's on the episode today I'm super privileged the episode today I'm super privileged the episode today I'm super privileged honored to have Phil Christensen with us honored to have Phil Christensen with us honored to have Phil Christensen with us from canvas church this is a church you from canvas church this is a church you from canvas church this is a church you need to follow man that just been need to follow man that just been need to follow man that just been involved in some explosive growth involved in some explosive growth involved in some explosive growth recently just a great church doing lots recently just a great church doing lots recently just a great church doing lots of great things I hope you'll check them

of great things I hope you'll check them of great things I hope you'll check them out well Phil what is an online resource out well Phil what is an online resource out well Phil what is an online resource that you've been using that has been that you've been using that has been that you've been using that has been helping you these days first one that helping you these days first one that helping you these days first one that comes to mind is slack you probably comes to mind is slack you probably comes to mind is slack you probably heard of slack it's a huge in what we do heard of slack it's a huge in what we do heard of slack it's a huge in what we do communications at the core of everything communications at the core of everything communications at the core of everything we do it wouldn't be possible without we do it wouldn't be possible without we do it wouldn't be possible without slack all the different channels that slack all the different channels that slack all the different channels that we've got it slack is key Google Docs is we've got it slack is key Google Docs is we've got it slack is key Google Docs is incredible you shared calendars we incredible you shared calendars we incredible you shared calendars we shared docs shared Drive folders every shared docs shared Drive folders every shared docs shared Drive folders every team has its own structure within Google team has its own structure within Google team has its own structure within Google Docs Wunderlist is another one it's a Docs Wunderlist is another one it's a Docs Wunderlist is another one it's a to-do app and we have a like all of our to-do app and we have a like all of our to-do app and we have a like all of our counseling for instance goes on counseling for instance goes on counseling for instance goes on Wunderlist and the person receives all Wunderlist and the person receives all Wunderlist and the person receives all the calls will make some notes in there the calls will make some notes in there the calls will make some notes in there and then assign it to different people and then assign it to different people and then assign it to different people will follow up we'll add notes on there will follow up we'll add notes on there will follow up we'll add notes on there and then we'll check it off so her day and then we'll check it off so her day and then we'll check it off so her day those ones would be top of the list for those ones would be top of the list for those ones would be top of the list for sure nice what's the book you've read in sure nice what's the book you've read in sure nice what's the book you've read in the last six months of shaping your the last six months of shaping your the last six months of shaping your thinking or ministry recently just thinking or ministry recently just thinking or ministry recently just revisited sticky teams by Larry Alec revisited sticky teams by Larry Alec revisited sticky teams by Larry Alec Grigori pokeo fantastic book Grigori pokeo fantastic book Grigori pokeo fantastic book generational IQ is another one it really generational IQ is another one it really generational IQ is another one it really kind of helps us it we're a kind of helps us it we're a kind of helps us it we're a multi-generational church that we lean multi-generational church that we lean multi-generational church that we lean into the wisdom of the old and we gear into the wisdom of the old and we gear into the wisdom of the old and we gear to the young and in that we need to to the young and in that we need to to the young and in that we need to understand the different generations understand the different generations understand the different generations generational like you really helped us generational like you really helped us generational like you really helped us kind of narrow that down Kings that kind of narrow that down Kings that kind of narrow that down Kings that thrive is a fantastic book that really thrive is a fantastic book that really thrive is a fantastic book that really describes a lot of what we do in our describes a lot of what we do in our describes a lot of what we do in our culture of collaboration and working culture of collaboration and working culture of collaboration and working together at the team are good yeah great together at the team are good yeah great together at the team are good yeah great by choice is another one Jim Colin nice

by choice is another one Jim Colin nice by choice is another one Jim Colin nice does your avid river at reader that's does your avid river at reader that's does your avid river at reader that's good we are we learn together and that's good we are we learn together and that's good we are we learn together and that's a part of our growth good good good a part of our growth good good good a part of our growth good good good what's another ministry you're looking what's another ministry you're looking what's another ministry you're looking to that's inspiring you these days yeah to that's inspiring you these days yeah to that's inspiring you these days yeah we just went on a tour a church we went we just went on a tour a church we went we just went on a tour a church we went down to California livid down to California livid down to California livid saddleback church mariners la hills long saddleback church mariners la hills long saddleback church mariners la hills long saddleback really there were a couple saddleback really there were a couple saddleback really there were a couple things about their volunteerism that we things about their volunteerism that we things about their volunteerism that we really liked and kind of grabbed on to really liked and kind of grabbed on to really liked and kind of grabbed on to so but we're looking at how they do so but we're looking at how they do so but we're looking at how they do things their new life church over in things their new life church over in things their new life church over in renton washington is another one that renton washington is another one that renton washington is another one that really there a couple steps ahead of us really there a couple steps ahead of us really there a couple steps ahead of us and we're learning a lot from them so it and we're learning a lot from them so it and we're learning a lot from them so it too many pastors are good friends though too many pastors are good friends though too many pastors are good friends though good yes the mariners church I think is good yes the mariners church I think is good yes the mariners church I think is the nicest church facility I've ever the nicest church facility I've ever the nicest church facility I've ever been to it is incredible if anyone is been to it is incredible if anyone is been to it is incredible if anyone is listening in our gets a chance to visit listening in our gets a chance to visit listening in our gets a chance to visit there you should there about 15 minutes there you should there about 15 minutes there you should there about 15 minutes from Disneyland and their facilities you from Disneyland and their facilities you from Disneyland and their facilities you know echo that it's amazing it's know echo that it's amazing it's know echo that it's amazing it's available it's true to say it's I'm like available it's true to say it's I'm like available it's true to say it's I'm like man if I was a total pagan I go to man if I was a total pagan I go to man if I was a total pagan I go to church here so that's great anyways if church here so that's great anyways if church here so that's great anyways if you could get 15 minutes with any leader you could get 15 minutes with any leader you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive who would you want to get that alive who would you want to get that alive who would you want to get that with and why yeah briefly I've been with and why yeah briefly I've been with and why yeah briefly I've been intrigued by Craig Groeschel obviously intrigued by Craig Groeschel obviously intrigued by Craig Groeschel obviously he's on a new name but just even more he's on a new name but just even more he's on a new name but just even more his stuff it he has a laser focus that's his stuff it he has a laser focus that's his stuff it he has a laser focus that's just incredible and then beyond that just incredible and then beyond that just incredible and then beyond that just his is it cat on his book that he just his is it cat on his book that he just his is it cat on his book that he wrote it kind of encouraging people in wrote it kind of encouraging people in wrote it kind of encouraging people in that booklet throughout everything to that booklet throughout everything to that booklet throughout everything to just live life to its fullest to live just live life to its fullest to live just live life to its fullest to live the adventure of life really resonates the adventure of life really resonates the adventure of life really resonates with me that so many people just kind of

with me that so many people just kind of with me that so many people just kind of numb Lee get through life and to inspire numb Lee get through life and to inspire numb Lee get through life and to inspire people to live life on mission it's just people to live life on mission it's just people to live life on mission it's just kind of the core of who I am but we had kind of the core of who I am but we had kind of the core of who I am but we had the whole team as well very cool well the whole team as well very cool well the whole team as well very cool well I'm sure you know leading at canvas it I'm sure you know leading at canvas it I'm sure you know leading at canvas it is is hard and you've got a lot going on is is hard and you've got a lot going on is is hard and you've got a lot going on it's growing so quickly what do you do it's growing so quickly what do you do it's growing so quickly what do you do to just when you want to kick back relax to just when you want to kick back relax to just when you want to kick back relax for sure have some fun yeah tons of for sure have some fun yeah tons of for sure have some fun yeah tons of family time I've got a wife two kids family time I've got a wife two kids family time I've got a wife two kids have lots of fun with them personally have lots of fun with them personally have lots of fun with them personally I'm in the middle of restoring a 49 Ford I'm in the middle of restoring a 49 Ford I'm in the middle of restoring a 49 Ford pickup truck I ride motorcycles yeah and pickup truck I ride motorcycles yeah and pickup truck I ride motorcycles yeah and then work right here at the foothills of then work right here at the foothills of then work right here at the foothills of Glacier National Park so we get up there Glacier National Park so we get up there Glacier National Park so we get up there a good number of times each year and go a good number of times each year and go a good number of times each year and go for hikes and climbs and swimming in for hikes and climbs and swimming in for hikes and climbs and swimming in glacial lakes and we have lots of fun glacial lakes and we have lots of fun glacial lakes and we have lots of fun cool that's great that's 49 truck that's cool that's great that's 49 truck that's cool that's great that's 49 truck that's pretty cool that's how long jack is that pretty cool that's how long jack is that pretty cool that's how long jack is that going to be like a 56 year project or going to be like a 56 year project or going to be like a 56 year project or you thinking shorter than that probably you thinking shorter than that probably you thinking shorter than that probably I picked it up this last year sitting in I picked it up this last year sitting in I picked it up this last year sitting in a guy's garage for 37 years and good as a guy's garage for 37 years and good as a guy's garage for 37 years and good as well I got it run at the end of last well I got it run at the end of last well I got it run at the end of last year and so now I've got to go through year and so now I've got to go through year and so now I've got to go through and it doesn't any break and it doesn't any break and it doesn't any break I hear you want breaks before you can I hear you want breaks before you can I hear you want breaks before you can get it running advice well so I really get it running advice well so I really get it running advice well so I really appreciate me on the show today if you appreciate me on the show today if you appreciate me on the show today if you want to get in touch with you or with want to get in touch with you or with want to get in touch with you or with the church what's the best way for them the church what's the best way for them the church what's the best way for them to do that all of our contact to do that all of our contact to do that all of our contact informations on our website canvas informations on our website canvas informations on our website canvas church com and all of our emails and church com and all of our emails and church com and all of our emails and phone numbers and all that is there phone numbers and all that is there phone numbers and all that is there we're also on Facebook Twitter Instagram we're also on Facebook Twitter Instagram we're also on Facebook Twitter Instagram all those but primarily our website all those but primarily our website all those but primarily our website canisters com got some good stuff going canisters com got some good stuff going canisters com got some good stuff going on so great thanks so much for on so great thanks so much for on so great thanks so much for appreciate be on the show today appreciate be on the show today appreciate be on the show today absolutely thank you so much thank you absolutely thank you so much thank you absolutely thank you so much thank you for tuning in to this week's unsung re

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