Christine Kreisher challenges us to stop recruiting and start retaining volunteers

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let's get started with this week's and let's get started with this week's and let's get started with this week's unseminary podcast well hey everybody unseminary podcast well hey everybody unseminary podcast well hey everybody Welcome to the unseminary podcast my Welcome to the unseminary podcast my Welcome to the unseminary podcast my name is Rich uh the host here I am so name is Rich uh the host here I am so name is Rich uh the host here I am so glad that you've decided to spend some glad that you've decided to spend some glad that you've decided to spend some time with us today we know as you head time with us today we know as you head time with us today we know as you head into this weekend wow you've got a lot into this weekend wow you've got a lot into this weekend wow you've got a lot going on um and I'm just so thankful going on um and I'm just so thankful going on um and I'm just so thankful that you would take some time out to that you would take some time out to that you would take some time out to spend some time with us today um I'm I'm spend some time with us today um I'm I'm spend some time with us today um I'm I'm honored to have Christine ker with us on honored to have Christine ker with us on honored to have Christine ker with us on uh the call we've literally been trying uh the call we've literally been trying uh the call we've literally been trying to do this for months she's a great to do this for months she's a great to do this for months she's a great leader and she's one of those people I leader and she's one of those people I leader and she's one of those people I couldn't let her go I really wanted to couldn't let her go I really wanted to couldn't let her go I really wanted to make sure uh that we got Christine on make sure uh that we got Christine on make sure uh that we got Christine on the show and she's from a church called the show and she's from a church called the show and she's from a church called GT Church which you if you're not GT Church which you if you're not GT Church which you if you're not following you're going to want to uh following you're going to want to uh following you're going to want to uh particularly after today's conversation particularly after today's conversation particularly after today's conversation you're going to want to get to know them you're going to want to get to know them you're going to want to get to know them a little bit better Christine welcome to a little bit better Christine welcome to a little bit better Christine welcome to the show thanks so much I'm so honored the show thanks so much I'm so honored the show thanks so much I'm so honored to be here so you guys are in to be here so you guys are in to be here so you guys are in Pennsylvania good things do come out of Pennsylvania good things do come out of Pennsylvania good things do come out of Pennsylvania and uh you know so youve Pennsylvania and uh you know so youve Pennsylvania and uh you know so youve currently have two locations and you currently have two locations and you currently have two locations and you know quite a sprawling uh Ministry what know quite a sprawling uh Ministry what know quite a sprawling uh Ministry what is your role there at uh at GT church is your role there at uh at GT church is your role there at uh at GT church I'm the connections Pastor great so um I'm the connections Pastor great so um I'm the connections Pastor great so um anything having to do with the anything having to do with the anything having to do with the first-time guest experience through first-time guest experience through first-time guest experience through discipleship is what I oversee and help discipleship is what I oversee and help discipleship is what I oversee and help to manage the teams and uh yeah have an to manage the teams and uh yeah have an to manage the teams and uh yeah have an honor to do that it's been a blast very honor to do that it's been a blast very honor to do that it's been a blast very cool well I um Christine wrote a book or cool well I um Christine wrote a book or cool well I um Christine wrote a book or was part of writing a book called which was part of writing a book called which was part of writing a book called which I have on my Kindle which is called stop I have on my Kindle which is called stop I have on my Kindle which is called stop recruiting start retaining which is a

recruiting start retaining which is a recruiting start retaining which is a fantastic book and the thing I've I've fantastic book and the thing I've I've fantastic book and the thing I've I've passed this around to some friends in passed this around to some friends in passed this around to some friends in Ministry and it's one of those books Ministry and it's one of those books Ministry and it's one of those books where when you read the title that is where when you read the title that is where when you read the title that is the message of the book um stop the message of the book um stop the message of the book um stop recruiting start retaining it's a recruiting start retaining it's a recruiting start retaining it's a fantastic book a really great read and fantastic book a really great read and fantastic book a really great read and so I'm really looking forward to jumping so I'm really looking forward to jumping so I'm really looking forward to jumping into that why don't we start with why into that why don't we start with why into that why don't we start with why did you write this book where kind of did you write this book where kind of did you write this book where kind of where did that come from H that's a where did that come from H that's a where did that come from H that's a great question um I had always felt like great question um I had always felt like great question um I had always felt like God was calling me to write a book but God was calling me to write a book but God was calling me to write a book but never really felt um like I could just never really felt um like I could just never really felt um like I could just never find the right thing and so um one never find the right thing and so um one never find the right thing and so um one day my friend Darren I actually I was day my friend Darren I actually I was day my friend Darren I actually I was sitting at a diner with a friend and she sitting at a diner with a friend and she sitting at a diner with a friend and she said to me you've got to write a book said to me you've got to write a book said to me you've got to write a book but I never wanted to write a book that but I never wanted to write a book that but I never wanted to write a book that would be self- serving just let me tell would be self- serving just let me tell would be self- serving just let me tell you my story I wanted it to be something you my story I wanted it to be something you my story I wanted it to be something that would be helpful and as I was that would be helpful and as I was that would be helpful and as I was sharing that with her um she said to me sharing that with her um she said to me sharing that with her um she said to me well I looked down at my phone actually well I looked down at my phone actually well I looked down at my phone actually and Darren Kaiser co-author of the book and Darren Kaiser co-author of the book and Darren Kaiser co-author of the book had texted me literally I his text had texted me literally I his text had texted me literally I his text popped up on my phone and said let's popped up on my phone and said let's popped up on my phone and said let's write a book and I just I couldn't write a book and I just I couldn't write a book and I just I couldn't believe it um but that was because he believe it um but that was because he believe it um but that was because he had just finished up his U PhD and he had just finished up his U PhD and he had just finished up his U PhD and he did his thesis on volunteer retention did his thesis on volunteer retention did his thesis on volunteer retention did so much research and he um in his did so much research and he um in his did so much research and he um in his thesis he had a control group and a an thesis he had a control group and a an thesis he had a control group and a an experimental group and I was a part of experimental group and I was a part of experimental group and I was a part of his experimental group I came to his his experimental group I came to his his experimental group I came to his church she is a multi they had a church she is a multi they had a church she is a multi they had a multi-site um campus and I went to the multi-site um campus and I went to the multi-site um campus and I went to the one campus and um did some training with one campus and um did some training with one campus and um did some training with their volunteers some um just their volunteers some um just their volunteers some um just inspirational things and was a part of inspirational things and was a part of inspirational things and was a part of that and he he just said I love your that and he he just said I love your that and he he just said I love your stories let's combine my resar search stories let's combine my resar search stories let's combine my resar search with your stories and your you know with your stories and your you know with your stories and your you know years of experience I've been in years of experience I've been in years of experience I've been in Ministry now for 17 years um and so you

Ministry now for 17 years um and so you Ministry now for 17 years um and so you started when you were four years old I started when you were four years old I started when you were four years old I did yes thank you so much for did yes thank you so much for did yes thank you so much for that that's great now one of the things that that's great now one of the things that that's great now one of the things that sticks out is this zero recruitment that sticks out is this zero recruitment that sticks out is this zero recruitment model I know that there are church model I know that there are church model I know that there are church leaders that are listening in today that leaders that are listening in today that leaders that are listening in today that would say okay sure if I stop recruiting would say okay sure if I stop recruiting would say okay sure if I stop recruiting my Ministry is going to go careening off my Ministry is going to go careening off my Ministry is going to go careening off a cliff pretty quickly um so I want to a cliff pretty quickly um so I want to a cliff pretty quickly um so I want to dig into that when you say zero dig into that when you say zero dig into that when you say zero recruitment you don't really actually recruitment you don't really actually recruitment you don't really actually mean zero recruit right what do you mean mean zero recruit right what do you mean mean zero recruit right what do you mean by that yeah we do mean zero recruitment by that yeah we do mean zero recruitment by that yeah we do mean zero recruitment but but what we mean is we want to get but but what we mean is we want to get but but what we mean is we want to get to a place where um our volunteers are to a place where um our volunteers are to a place where um our volunteers are doing the recruiting for us because our doing the recruiting for us because our doing the recruiting for us because our volunteer culture is so sticky and so volunteer culture is so sticky and so volunteer culture is so sticky and so irresistible that people they stay and irresistible that people they stay and irresistible that people they stay and they they recruit their friends and they they recruit their friends and they they recruit their friends and great leaders are also developed out of great leaders are also developed out of great leaders are also developed out of that whole process because you're caring that whole process because you're caring that whole process because you're caring for people so so well so yeah it is for people so so well so yeah it is for people so so well so yeah it is possible and you know every time I've possible and you know every time I've possible and you know every time I've spoken at different um conferences and spoken at different um conferences and spoken at different um conferences and Retreats people volunteer leaders Retreats people volunteer leaders Retreats people volunteer leaders constantly say I just I need you to help constantly say I just I need you to help constantly say I just I need you to help me recruit I need you to help me recruit me recruit I need you to help me recruit me recruit I need you to help me recruit and after years of hearing that it and after years of hearing that it and after years of hearing that it really I began to to think about is it really I began to to think about is it really I began to to think about is it really what they is what they need really what they is what they need really what they is what they need recruiting help or do they need to help recruiting help or do they need to help recruiting help or do they need to help they do they need help with their they do they need help with their they do they need help with their culture and so um I and I really believe culture and so um I and I really believe culture and so um I and I really believe the answer is found in culture and the answer is found in culture and the answer is found in culture and there's there's four strategies um that there's there's four strategies um that there's there's four strategies um that we talk about in the book that really do we talk about in the book that really do we talk about in the book that really do help to create an irresistible volunteer help to create an irresistible volunteer help to create an irresistible volunteer culture nice well if you've been around culture nice well if you've been around culture nice well if you've been around on Seminary for a while you know that I on Seminary for a while you know that I on Seminary for a while you know that I like numbered lists so let's start with like numbered lists so let's start with like numbered lists so let's start with number one what is what could we do to number one what is what could we do to number one what is what could we do to really start moving towards um you know really start moving towards um you know really start moving towards um you know zero recruitment uh a zero recruitment zero recruitment uh a zero recruitment zero recruitment uh a zero recruitment model yeah the first thing that we can

model yeah the first thing that we can model yeah the first thing that we can do is um well can I just back up and do is um well can I just back up and do is um well can I just back up and just say the first thing we need to do just say the first thing we need to do just say the first thing we need to do is have a mindset shift um and that's is have a mindset shift um and that's is have a mindset shift um and that's hard to say and I won't try to say that hard to say and I won't try to say that hard to say and I won't try to say that five times five times five times fast dangerous thing to say sometimes fast dangerous thing to say sometimes fast dangerous thing to say sometimes but um sometimes we we view volunteers but um sometimes we we view volunteers but um sometimes we we view volunteers as um numbers we don't mean to but we're as um numbers we don't mean to but we're as um numbers we don't mean to but we're so busy and we're so focused and on a so busy and we're so focused and on a so busy and we're so focused and on a mission that we forget that they're mission that we forget that they're mission that we forget that they're people they're people with stories people they're people with stories people they're people with stories they're gifts right and I believe that they're gifts right and I believe that they're gifts right and I believe that one day we'll stand before a holy God one day we'll stand before a holy God one day we'll stand before a holy God and be held accountable for the way that and be held accountable for the way that and be held accountable for the way that we Steward those gifts and so that's the we Steward those gifts and so that's the we Steward those gifts and so that's the first thing we have to do we have to first thing we have to do we have to first thing we have to do we have to remember that they're people we have to remember that they're people we have to remember that they're people we have to remember that it's so important for us remember that it's so important for us remember that it's so important for us to not just fill volunteer vacancies but to not just fill volunteer vacancies but to not just fill volunteer vacancies but to find volunteers fits so that they can to find volunteers fits so that they can to find volunteers fits so that they can Thrive and not just in their volunteer Thrive and not just in their volunteer Thrive and not just in their volunteer role but in life because when you add role but in life because when you add role but in life because when you add value to people's lives it changes value to people's lives it changes value to people's lives it changes everything and so that's the first thing everything and so that's the first thing everything and so that's the first thing it's just that shift in in perspective it's just that shift in in perspective it's just that shift in in perspective and um having the mentality of not just and um having the mentality of not just and um having the mentality of not just um finding a fit not just finding um finding a fit not just finding um finding a fit not just finding filling a role but finding a fit finding filling a role but finding a fit finding filling a role but finding a fit finding their sweet spot because when you find their sweet spot because when you find their sweet spot because when you find their fit they won't quit so wow there's their fit they won't quit so wow there's their fit they won't quit so wow there's a lot packed in there you know I know I a lot packed in there you know I know I a lot packed in there you know I know I think for churches this is an important think for churches this is an important think for churches this is an important thing for churches to unlock I think thing for churches to unlock I think thing for churches to unlock I think sometimes we look at volunteers as a sometimes we look at volunteers as a sometimes we look at volunteers as a means to an end so we look at them as means to an end so we look at them as means to an end so we look at them as like hey they're going to get a job done like hey they're going to get a job done like hey they're going to get a job done for us now what I've noticed is growing for us now what I've noticed is growing for us now what I've noticed is growing thriving churches look at volunteers as thriving churches look at volunteers as thriving churches look at volunteers as the end that actually this is an the end that actually this is an the end that actually this is an incredible way to develop people and we incredible way to develop people and we incredible way to develop people and we start with how do we help and grow

start with how do we help and grow start with how do we help and grow people through their volunteer people through their volunteer people through their volunteer experience through them engaging with us experience through them engaging with us experience through them engaging with us and that through that then this and that through that then this and that through that then this incredible thing starts to happen where incredible thing starts to happen where incredible thing starts to happen where people actually want to be a part of people actually want to be a part of people actually want to be a part of this rather than seeing this as like this rather than seeing this as like this rather than seeing this as like gosh we need to find people we say how gosh we need to find people we say how gosh we need to find people we say how do we and that that's huge that's a do we and that that's huge that's a do we and that that's huge that's a massive shift I think particularly for massive shift I think particularly for massive shift I think particularly for churches that are growing that's one of churches that are growing that's one of churches that are growing that's one of those mind shifts that you have to make those mind shifts that you have to make those mind shifts that you have to make you have to say how do we use as a as a you have to say how do we use as a as a you have to say how do we use as a as a growing um you know piece so what are growing um you know piece so what are growing um you know piece so what are some practical ways some practical steps some practical ways some practical steps some practical ways some practical steps that we could do even within our church that we could do even within our church that we could do even within our church to begin kind of transitioning that to begin kind of transitioning that to begin kind of transitioning that mindset the first thing we can do is mindset the first thing we can do is mindset the first thing we can do is assess our culture because if I gave you assess our culture because if I gave you assess our culture because if I gave you every volunteer you needed and I found every volunteer you needed and I found every volunteer you needed and I found the perfect fit for all of them if the the perfect fit for all of them if the the perfect fit for all of them if the culture isn't right they're not going to culture isn't right they're not going to culture isn't right they're not going to stick right so we've got to first start stick right so we've got to first start stick right so we've got to first start there and and assess that and in the there and and assess that and in the there and and assess that and in the volunteer in this volunteer project stop volunteer in this volunteer project stop volunteer in this volunteer project stop recruiting start retaining we provide recruiting start retaining we provide recruiting start retaining we provide you with a tool that you can use to for you with a tool that you can use to for you with a tool that you can use to for the leader to assess their and then the leader to assess their and then the leader to assess their and then what's really cool is you send that same what's really cool is you send that same what's really cool is you send that same survey or actually it's a little bit a survey or actually it's a little bit a survey or actually it's a little bit a different variation of it to your different variation of it to your different variation of it to your volunteers and they get to tell you volunteers and they get to tell you volunteers and they get to tell you anonymously what your survey what what anonymously what your survey what what anonymously what your survey what what your culture is really like and then your culture is really like and then your culture is really like and then there's a sync report that actually there's a sync report that actually there's a sync report that actually shows you like where you're doing really shows you like where you're doing really shows you like where you're doing really really well and some areas that you need really well and some areas that you need really well and some areas that you need to focus in and those are the the four to focus in and those are the the four to focus in and those are the the four strategies where you can begin to break strategies where you can begin to break strategies where you can begin to break down and say okay here's where we're down and say okay here's where we're down and say okay here's where we're doing awesome and so celebrate that and doing awesome and so celebrate that and doing awesome and so celebrate that and um but then here's where we could really um but then here's where we could really um but then here's where we could really use some improvement and then we give use some improvement and then we give use some improvement and then we give you prac iCal strategies on how to how you prac iCal strategies on how to how you prac iCal strategies on how to how to make some changes any kind of to make some changes any kind of to make some changes any kind of interesting stories that have come out interesting stories that have come out interesting stories that have come out as you as either you've done that kind as you as either you've done that kind as you as either you've done that kind of sinking up or that you've heard other of sinking up or that you've heard other of sinking up or that you've heard other churches as they've done that as far as

churches as they've done that as far as churches as they've done that as far as thinking up their oh yeah yeah as as thinking up their oh yeah yeah as as thinking up their oh yeah yeah as as they've actually said hey this is what they've actually said hey this is what they've actually said hey this is what we think and then this is what our we think and then this is what our we think and then this is what our people think you know what's the people think you know what's the people think you know what's the difference between those two yeah on a difference between those two yeah on a difference between those two yeah on a personal level there's been times where personal level there's been times where personal level there's been times where I've sent surveys to my volunteers I I've sent surveys to my volunteers I I've sent surveys to my volunteers I thought I was knocking it out of the thought I was knocking it out of the thought I was knocking it out of the park I'm amazing I'm inspiring you know park I'm amazing I'm inspiring you know park I'm amazing I'm inspiring you know like they're having fun it's great and like they're having fun it's great and like they're having fun it's great and early on in Ministry when I was leading early on in Ministry when I was leading early on in Ministry when I was leading Vol my first uh Team of volunteers I Vol my first uh Team of volunteers I Vol my first uh Team of volunteers I really did I thought man I've just I've really did I thought man I've just I've really did I thought man I've just I've got this Vision they're having fun this got this Vision they're having fun this got this Vision they're having fun this is awesome and then I sent a survey and is awesome and then I sent a survey and is awesome and then I sent a survey and I got some feedback that yeah you're fun I got some feedback that yeah you're fun I got some feedback that yeah you're fun and you're inspiring but you know you're and you're inspiring but you know you're and you're inspiring but you know you're not really telling me what you want me not really telling me what you want me not really telling me what you want me to do it's not clear to me like what do to do it's not clear to me like what do to do it's not clear to me like what do you want from me how do I know I'm you want from me how do I know I'm you want from me how do I know I'm winning and that was eye openening for winning and that was eye openening for winning and that was eye openening for me and that was an opportunity for me to me and that was an opportunity for me to me and that was an opportunity for me to say I'm not going to use my personality say I'm not going to use my personality say I'm not going to use my personality as an excuse to not value people and so as an excuse to not value people and so as an excuse to not value people and so things really began to change and shift things really began to change and shift things really began to change and shift and we hear the same thing from church and we hear the same thing from church and we hear the same thing from church leaders that that take the survey the leaders that that take the survey the leaders that that take the survey the zero risk um survey or zero risk I'm zero risk um survey or zero risk I'm zero risk um survey or zero risk I'm sorry the um zero model recruitment s sorry the um zero model recruitment s sorry the um zero model recruitment s surve survey and they say that um it is surve survey and they say that um it is surve survey and they say that um it is surprising to them because it's fresh surprising to them because it's fresh surprising to them because it's fresh perspective you know and we all need perspective you know and we all need perspective you know and we all need that we need to give our volunteers a that we need to give our volunteers a that we need to give our volunteers a voice they need to be heard because when voice they need to be heard because when voice they need to be heard because when they feel heard it's another thing that they feel heard it's another thing that they feel heard it's another thing that it adds value and they they stick I know it adds value and they they stick I know it adds value and they they stick I know I I know you know big part of leadership I I know you know big part of leadership I I know you know big part of leadership the first step of leadership has been the first step of leadership has been the first step of leadership has been said actually is to to Define reality said actually is to to Define reality said actually is to to Define reality like we have to start with where are like we have to start with where are like we have to start with where are things actually today I think sometimes things actually today I think sometimes things actually today I think sometimes we and sometimes particularly leaders we and sometimes particularly leaders we and sometimes particularly leaders whoo and obviously I sense and I you whoo and obviously I sense and I you whoo and obviously I sense and I you tell that story in the book and I was tell that story in the book and I was tell that story in the book and I was like oh I can resonate with that it's

like oh I can resonate with that it's like oh I can resonate with that it's like we're having fun and casting Vision like we're having fun and casting Vision like we're having fun and casting Vision but what am I supposed to do I'm like I but what am I supposed to do I'm like I but what am I supposed to do I'm like I think I've done that um but I think think I've done that um but I think think I've done that um but I think particularly for leaders who are more particularly for leaders who are more particularly for leaders who are more Visionary and who are more you know um Visionary and who are more you know um Visionary and who are more you know um kind of future oriented we can we can kind of future oriented we can we can kind of future oriented we can we can kid ourselves into saying no it's a kid ourselves into saying no it's a kid ourselves into saying no it's a great experience um because we're we're great experience um because we're we're great experience um because we're we're living in this kind of Dreamland and we living in this kind of Dreamland and we living in this kind of Dreamland and we may not that may not actually be may not that may not actually be may not that may not actually be connected to reality and so obviously connected to reality and so obviously connected to reality and so obviously you know taking even taking a survey you know taking even taking a survey you know taking even taking a survey that's you provide in your book is a that's you provide in your book is a that's you provide in your book is a great starting point for people now that great starting point for people now that great starting point for people now that has to move from into some sort of has to move from into some sort of has to move from into some sort of process I'm assuming has to move into process I'm assuming has to move into process I'm assuming has to move into like how do we actually step through you like how do we actually step through you like how do we actually step through you know kind of ensuring that there you know kind of ensuring that there you know kind of ensuring that there you know is a kind of a great service know is a kind of a great service know is a kind of a great service experience for people what are you doing experience for people what are you doing experience for people what are you doing at GT to kind of help that well we have at GT to kind of help that well we have at GT to kind of help that well we have there's four strategies and so I'll go there's four strategies and so I'll go there's four strategies and so I'll go over them quickly and then we can kind over them quickly and then we can kind over them quickly and then we can kind of break them down but um celebrate of break them down but um celebrate of break them down but um celebrate their significance is the first one the their significance is the first one the their significance is the first one the next one is providing first class next one is providing first class next one is providing first class support for people um fuel meaningful support for people um fuel meaningful support for people um fuel meaningful connections and then the last one is connections and then the last one is connections and then the last one is Empower their P passions okay and so um Empower their P passions okay and so um Empower their P passions okay and so um I know for me as a new volunteer in this I know for me as a new volunteer in this I know for me as a new volunteer in this church I came from a an unchurched church I came from a an unchurched church I came from a an unchurched background I mean crazy crazy childhood background I mean crazy crazy childhood background I mean crazy crazy childhood and um got saved in my early 20s and and um got saved in my early 20s and and um got saved in my early 20s and started coming to GT church and I was started coming to GT church and I was started coming to GT church and I was lost I I hid in the back for about a lost I I hid in the back for about a lost I I hid in the back for about a year and a half just because I was hurt year and a half just because I was hurt year and a half just because I was hurt and I just needed to heal and then and I just needed to heal and then and I just needed to heal and then somebody gave me the opportunity to tap somebody gave me the opportunity to tap somebody gave me the opportunity to tap me on the shoulder and they said hey we me on the shoulder and they said hey we me on the shoulder and they said hey we would love for you to be a part of kids would love for you to be a part of kids would love for you to be a part of kids ministry we know you like kids and we ministry we know you like kids and we ministry we know you like kids and we know you like to cook um and so someone know you like to cook um and so someone know you like to cook um and so someone was was watching someone was being was was watching someone was being was was watching someone was being intentional in that and then what

intentional in that and then what intentional in that and then what happened was through a series of months happened was through a series of months happened was through a series of months and then years of course somebody came and then years of course somebody came and then years of course somebody came alongside of me and they provided those alongside of me and they provided those alongside of me and they provided those four things for me they came alongside four things for me they came alongside four things for me they came alongside and they said you know I see something and they said you know I see something and they said you know I see something in you and I want to connect your gifts in you and I want to connect your gifts in you and I want to connect your gifts in the way that God has uniquely wired in the way that God has uniquely wired in the way that God has uniquely wired you even in your mess cuz it was part you even in your mess cuz it was part you even in your mess cuz it was part it's the number one Catalyst for it's the number one Catalyst for it's the number one Catalyst for spiritual grow growth I really do spiritual grow growth I really do spiritual grow growth I really do believe that when we step out in believe that when we step out in believe that when we step out in Ministry um and so she believed in me Ministry um and so she believed in me Ministry um and so she believed in me she gave me that opportunity to connect she gave me that opportunity to connect she gave me that opportunity to connect my gifts to the vision of this church my gifts to the vision of this church my gifts to the vision of this church and how God wanted to use me to fulfill and how God wanted to use me to fulfill and how God wanted to use me to fulfill the vision of the church everything I the vision of the church everything I the vision of the church everything I did from cooking with kids in a kitchen did from cooking with kids in a kitchen did from cooking with kids in a kitchen um to you know eventually preaching you um to you know eventually preaching you um to you know eventually preaching you know and so it's important that we we know and so it's important that we we know and so it's important that we we provide that significant opportunity for provide that significant opportunity for provide that significant opportunity for people to be a part of something so much people to be a part of something so much people to be a part of something so much bigger than themselves they want that bigger than themselves they want that bigger than themselves they want that they crave that they crave that they crave that people have jobs you know and so they're people have jobs you know and so they're people have jobs you know and so they're looking for meaning and so that was huge looking for meaning and so that was huge looking for meaning and so that was huge and then she also provided that support and then she also provided that support and then she also provided that support by making sure that I had all the tools by making sure that I had all the tools by making sure that I had all the tools I needed to be successful um volunteers I needed to be successful um volunteers I needed to be successful um volunteers go ahead what does that look like when go ahead what does that look like when go ahead what does that look like when you talk about first class support it's you talk about first class support it's you talk about first class support it's one thing to provide support what would one thing to provide support what would one thing to provide support what would you say differentiates between kind of you say differentiates between kind of you say differentiates between kind of first class support and just average first class support and just average first class support and just average support sometimes we just throw people support sometimes we just throw people support sometimes we just throw people into a role we don't we don't take them into a role we don't we don't take them into a role we don't we don't take them through a healthy training process we through a healthy training process we through a healthy training process we don't um take the time to really figure don't um take the time to really figure don't um take the time to really figure out out how they're wired we don't um out out how they're wired we don't um out out how they're wired we don't um give them parameters we don't sometimes give them parameters we don't sometimes give them parameters we don't sometimes give them even budgets um you know like give them even budgets um you know like give them even budgets um you know like this is how much you can spend to do this is how much you can spend to do this is how much you can spend to do what you need to do or um we don't what you need to do or um we don't what you need to do or um we don't appreciate them the way that sometimes

appreciate them the way that sometimes appreciate them the way that sometimes we think we appreciate people because we we think we appreciate people because we we think we appreciate people because we walk through halls and we go hey great walk through halls and we go hey great walk through halls and we go hey great job so glad you're here you know you're job so glad you're here you know you're job so glad you're here you know you're awesome but it's that unique awesome but it's that unique awesome but it's that unique appreciation it's figuring out I we do appreciation it's figuring out I we do appreciation it's figuring out I we do something with our volunteers called something with our volunteers called something with our volunteers called what floats your boat I think it was a what floats your boat I think it was a what floats your boat I think it was a Craig jtil thing years I had learned Craig jtil thing years I had learned Craig jtil thing years I had learned where we have a list of questions we where we have a list of questions we where we have a list of questions we give to our volunteers early on to give to our volunteers early on to give to our volunteers early on to figure out what they like you know figure out what they like you know figure out what they like you know what's your favorite drink at Starbucks what's your favorite drink at Starbucks what's your favorite drink at Starbucks you know tell us about your family tell you know tell us about your family tell you know tell us about your family tell us your favorite dut things like that us your favorite dut things like that us your favorite dut things like that that we're able to then when we want to that we're able to then when we want to that we're able to then when we want to appreciate them we can do it in a unique appreciate them we can do it in a unique appreciate them we can do it in a unique way that resonates with who they way that resonates with who they way that resonates with who they uniquely are right that's so so uniquely are right that's so so uniquely are right that's so so important absolutely that that's uh important absolutely that that's uh important absolutely that that's uh that's fantastic um when you talk about that's fantastic um when you talk about that's fantastic um when you talk about meaningful connections you know trying meaningful connections you know trying meaningful connections you know trying to get people plugged in um you know to get people plugged in um you know to get people plugged in um you know what does that look like how how are you what does that look like how how are you what does that look like how how are you doing in that in your ministry doing in that in your ministry doing in that in your ministry yeah there's a couple of different yeah there's a couple of different yeah there's a couple of different things that we do there because again we things that we do there because again we things that we do there because again we can just throw people into roles um and can just throw people into roles um and can just throw people into roles um and I was guilty of this years ago just like I was guilty of this years ago just like I was guilty of this years ago just like okay here's here's what you need to do okay here's here's what you need to do okay here's here's what you need to do go do it and then yeah and then one day go do it and then yeah and then one day go do it and then yeah and then one day I remember saying to um some of my my I I remember saying to um some of my my I I remember saying to um some of my my I asking a question to my volunteers and asking a question to my volunteers and asking a question to my volunteers and it became very apparent they didn't even it became very apparent they didn't even it became very apparent they didn't even know each other like they were serving know each other like they were serving know each other like they were serving with each other every weekend and they with each other every weekend and they with each other every weekend and they didn't even know each other and so we didn't even know each other and so we didn't even know each other and so we started to huddle up our teams we started to huddle up our teams we started to huddle up our teams we started to get them together 30 minutes started to get them together 30 minutes started to get them together 30 minutes before um each service and I know know before um each service and I know know before um each service and I know know like for leaders that 30 minutes what we like for leaders that 30 minutes what we like for leaders that 30 minutes what we can't even get our volte to come on time can't even get our volte to come on time can't even get our volte to come on time yes um our I would say yes um our I would say yes um our I would say 90 I would say about 90% of our 90 I would say about 90% of our 90 I would say about 90% of our volunteers come 30 minutes early to volunteers come 30 minutes early to volunteers come 30 minutes early to huddle up with one another because it's huddle up with one another because it's huddle up with one another because it's meaningful we share prayer requests

meaningful we share prayer requests meaningful we share prayer requests quickly we share prayer requests we cast quickly we share prayer requests we cast quickly we share prayer requests we cast Vision we give like the last minute you Vision we give like the last minute you Vision we give like the last minute you know changes for the day or things they know changes for the day or things they know changes for the day or things they need to know we pray together and then need to know we pray together and then need to know we pray together and then we encourage like we're going to do a we encourage like we're going to do a we encourage like we're going to do a bonfire at the end of this month one of bonfire at the end of this month one of bonfire at the end of this month one of our teams 100 people in their families our teams 100 people in their families our teams 100 people in their families are to come out and we're going to just are to come out and we're going to just are to come out and we're going to just have fun yes um it's important to have fun yes um it's important to have fun yes um it's important to remember that people already have jobs remember that people already have jobs remember that people already have jobs yes so you've got to make it fun right yes so you've got to make it fun right yes so you've got to make it fun right You' got to make it fun you've got to You' got to make it fun you've got to You' got to make it fun you've got to you got to give volunteers that sense of you got to give volunteers that sense of you got to give volunteers that sense of I belong here I'm not just a number I'm I belong here I'm not just a number I'm I belong here I'm not just a number I'm not on an island but I actually belong not on an island but I actually belong not on an island but I actually belong here and there's ways that that we can here and there's ways that that we can here and there's ways that that we can definitely do that I know for us at at definitely do that I know for us at at definitely do that I know for us at at our church um one of the things I've our church um one of the things I've our church um one of the things I've said to our leaders all the time is said to our leaders all the time is said to our leaders all the time is listen we need our people I obviously listen we need our people I obviously listen we need our people I obviously say this to staff um you know we need say this to staff um you know we need say this to staff um you know we need our people to do a task but what they our people to do a task but what they our people to do a task but what they want us what they want out of it is want us what they want out of it is want us what they want out of it is relationship yeah and and we have to relationship yeah and and we have to relationship yeah and and we have to make sure that we're baking into the make sure that we're baking into the make sure that we're baking into the process an opportunity for them to get process an opportunity for them to get process an opportunity for them to get to know each other for us a big part of to know each other for us a big part of to know each other for us a big part of the way we do that is we actually on if the way we do that is we actually on if the way we do that is we actually on if you serve on Sundays at any of our you serve on Sundays at any of our you serve on Sundays at any of our campuses we're going to provide you a campuses we're going to provide you a campuses we're going to provide you a meal so we actually serve breakfast and meal so we actually serve breakfast and meal so we actually serve breakfast and lunch um well breakfast at all our lunch um well breakfast at all our lunch um well breakfast at all our campuses and well actually all our campuses and well actually all our campuses and well actually all our campuses we serve lunch too um some campuses we serve lunch too um some campuses we serve lunch too um some people stay for both and it's not an people stay for both and it's not an people stay for both and it's not an insignificant expense it's it's a lot of insignificant expense it's it's a lot of insignificant expense it's it's a lot of it's a in fact we're in budgeting season it's a in fact we're in budgeting season it's a in fact we're in budgeting season right now as we're looking to next year right now as we're looking to next year right now as we're looking to next year and every year it comes up again it's and every year it comes up again it's and every year it comes up again it's like gosh do we really want to spend all like gosh do we really want to spend all like gosh do we really want to spend all this money on feeding people but for me this money on feeding people but for me this money on feeding people but for me what it it really drives to this what it it really drives to this what it it really drives to this meaningful connections piece that we meaningful connections piece that we meaningful connections piece that we every week we're providing an every week we're providing an every week we're providing an opportunity for our people to sit down opportunity for our people to sit down opportunity for our people to sit down and connect with each other and talk

and connect with each other and talk and connect with each other and talk with each other um and build with each other um and build with each other um and build relationship and friendship over you relationship and friendship over you relationship and friendship over you know uh you know ham and egg and cheese know uh you know ham and egg and cheese know uh you know ham and egg and cheese sandwich you know and that's it's sandwich you know and that's it's sandwich you know and that's it's significant and and I think for leaders significant and and I think for leaders significant and and I think for leaders we can ignore those things because we we can ignore those things because we we can ignore those things because we think but that doesn't help us ensure think but that doesn't help us ensure think but that doesn't help us ensure that they show up on time or that that they show up on time or that that they show up on time or that doesn't help us ensure that they know doesn't help us ensure that they know doesn't help us ensure that they know what they're supposed to do in kids well what they're supposed to do in kids well what they're supposed to do in kids well what it does over the Long Haul as they what it does over the Long Haul as they what it does over the Long Haul as they develop relationship um for sure you develop relationship um for sure you develop relationship um for sure you know with with people the fourth know with with people the fourth know with with people the fourth category you talked about was Empower category you talked about was Empower category you talked about was Empower their passions um don't we just need their passions um don't we just need their passions um don't we just need them to do stuff for us why are we them to do stuff for us why are we them to do stuff for us why are we empowering their passions obviously I'm empowering their passions obviously I'm empowering their passions obviously I'm being factious tell me about uh you know being factious tell me about uh you know being factious tell me about uh you know part part four really here yeah so many part part four really here yeah so many part part four really here yeah so many times if we don't give our volunteers times if we don't give our volunteers times if we don't give our volunteers parameters if we if we're not clear on parameters if we if we're not clear on parameters if we if we're not clear on what our vision and our strategy is and what our vision and our strategy is and what our vision and our strategy is and what the win statement is for for that what the win statement is for for that what the win statement is for for that Ministry um they'll create their own and Ministry um they'll create their own and Ministry um they'll create their own and that's a dangerous place to be and so we that's a dangerous place to be and so we that's a dangerous place to be and so we want to empower people with the tools want to empower people with the tools want to empower people with the tools that they need yes we want to give them that they need yes we want to give them that they need yes we want to give them the parameters and then we want to set the parameters and then we want to set the parameters and then we want to set them free to lead we don't want to them free to lead we don't want to them free to lead we don't want to micromanage right they they're all micromanage right they they're all micromanage right they they're all unique they have great personalities and unique they have great personalities and unique they have great personalities and gifts that are all unique to them and so gifts that are all unique to them and so gifts that are all unique to them and so we want to be sure that they're able to we want to be sure that they're able to we want to be sure that they're able to to we want to set them free to be able to we want to set them free to be able to we want to set them free to be able to to lead and and minister in their to to lead and and minister in their to to lead and and minister in their unique way but within the parameters unique way but within the parameters unique way but within the parameters that we set for them so that they don't that we set for them so that they don't that we set for them so that they don't create their own just creates a much create their own just creates a much create their own just creates a much healthier culture and environment healthier culture and environment healthier culture and environment fantastic there's a lot we could cover fantastic there's a lot we could cover fantastic there's a lot we could cover here in fact there's a book full of here in fact there's a book full of here in fact there's a book full of content um obviously we're going to content um obviously we're going to content um obviously we're going to encourage people listen if you've encourage people listen if you've encourage people listen if you've listened to the podcast for a while you listened to the podcast for a while you listened to the podcast for a while you realize I don't have a lot of authors on realize I don't have a lot of authors on realize I don't have a lot of authors on my on my podcast in fact I turn down

my on my podcast in fact I turn down my on my podcast in fact I turn down more authors than I have on because a more authors than I have on because a more authors than I have on because a lot of times it's just chilling for lot of times it's just chilling for lot of times it's just chilling for books I only have authors on that I books I only have authors on that I books I only have authors on that I really want people to pick up their book really want people to pick up their book really want people to pick up their book and this is one of those books and so I and this is one of those books and so I and this is one of those books and so I really hope that you'll um you know buy really hope that you'll um you know buy really hope that you'll um you know buy this book I'm not getting anything off this book I'm not getting anything off this book I'm not getting anything off this well I guess if you buy it through this well I guess if you buy it through this well I guess if you buy it through my link on my site I'll get something my link on my site I'll get something my link on my site I'll get something from Amazon but it's I really do want from Amazon but it's I really do want from Amazon but it's I really do want you to pick it up I think this is a you to pick it up I think this is a you to pick it up I think this is a great book particularly for church staff great book particularly for church staff great book particularly for church staff I think if you're on staff at a church I I think if you're on staff at a church I I think if you're on staff at a church I think this would be a great book for you think this would be a great book for you think this would be a great book for you to buy have with your team and wrestle to buy have with your team and wrestle to buy have with your team and wrestle through what we're talking about here through what we're talking about here through what we're talking about here because we're talking about a because we're talking about a because we're talking about a significant shift I know for me it's a significant shift I know for me it's a significant shift I know for me it's a challenge when I read this book I was challenge when I read this book I was challenge when I read this book I was like gosh man there's so much we need to like gosh man there's so much we need to like gosh man there's so much we need to work on and I feel like we have a pretty work on and I feel like we have a pretty work on and I feel like we have a pretty positive volunteer um culture at our positive volunteer um culture at our positive volunteer um culture at our church and I think there we have a long church and I think there we have a long church and I think there we have a long ways to go so Christine before we jump ways to go so Christine before we jump ways to go so Christine before we jump on to the rest of the episode is there on to the rest of the episode is there on to the rest of the episode is there anything else you'd like to share anything else you'd like to share anything else you'd like to share yeah I think one of the things that all yeah I think one of the things that all yeah I think one of the things that all Ministry leaders need is for their jobs Ministry leaders need is for their jobs Ministry leaders need is for their jobs to be easier right and I think that when to be easier right and I think that when to be easier right and I think that when you like you said you read the book and you like you said you read the book and you like you said you read the book and you're like oh gosh there's work to be you're like oh gosh there's work to be you're like oh gosh there's work to be done but here's the thing once you do done but here's the thing once you do done but here's the thing once you do that work and you are intentional about that work and you are intentional about that work and you are intentional about making some changes and and helping to making some changes and and helping to making some changes and and helping to create an irresistible culture your job create an irresistible culture your job create an irresistible culture your job gets so much easier because your gets so much easier because your gets so much easier because your volunteers are sticking because they're volunteers are sticking because they're volunteers are sticking because they're doing your recruiting for you and the doing your recruiting for you and the doing your recruiting for you and the leaders that emerge from a culture like leaders that emerge from a culture like leaders that emerge from a culture like like this I can't even begin to tell you like this I can't even begin to tell you like this I can't even begin to tell you about that I mean and that's something about that I mean and that's something about that I mean and that's something we can talk about forever um and that's we can talk about forever um and that's we can talk about forever um and that's one of the most rewarding things that one of the most rewarding things that one of the most rewarding things that come out of that when people find their come out of that when people find their come out of that when people find their calling when they find their you know calling when they find their you know calling when they find their you know like they come alive and you get to have like they come alive and you get to have like they come alive and you get to have a front row seat in that there's nothing a front row seat in that there's nothing a front row seat in that there's nothing like that this is the unseminary podcast

like that this is the unseminary podcast like that this is the unseminary podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary stuff you wish they taught in seminary stuff you wish they taught in seminary today we've had Christine Cher on the today we've had Christine Cher on the today we've had Christine Cher on the phone it's been a great conversation phone it's been a great conversation phone it's been a great conversation talking through uh her book uh which is talking through uh her book uh which is talking through uh her book uh which is all about volunteer retention and really all about volunteer retention and really all about volunteer retention and really stopping recruiting and starting uh stopping recruiting and starting uh stopping recruiting and starting uh volunteering So Christine we're going to volunteering So Christine we're going to volunteering So Christine we're going to ask a couple questions that we ask ask a couple questions that we ask ask a couple questions that we ask everybody that's on uh the show what is everybody that's on uh the show what is everybody that's on uh the show what is an online resource that you're using an online resource that you're using an online resource that you're using these days uh that's helping you out these days uh that's helping you out these days uh that's helping you out I'll tell you I so I'm just dabbling I'll tell you I so I'm just dabbling I'll tell you I so I'm just dabbling with Evernote now and loving that that's with Evernote now and loving that that's with Evernote now and loving that that's helping with um message preparation and helping with um message preparation and helping with um message preparation and all that good stuff um but most people all that good stuff um but most people all that good stuff um but most people know about that I would think that so um know about that I would think that so um know about that I would think that so um but one thing that I am loving right now but one thing that I am loving right now but one thing that I am loving right now I'm learning and just became certified I'm learning and just became certified I'm learning and just became certified in something called zero risk and it's in something called zero risk and it's in something called zero risk and it's actually a hiring tool um it's based on actually a hiring tool um it's based on actually a hiring tool um it's based on the heartman the heartman the heartman kin kinel profile um but it is not just kin kinel profile um but it is not just kin kinel profile um but it is not just a hiring tool there's also so much more a hiring tool there's also so much more a hiring tool there's also so much more there's a leadership development program there's a leadership development program there's a leadership development program that goes along with it and so we're that goes along with it and so we're that goes along with it and so we're starting to implement some of those starting to implement some of those starting to implement some of those things with our staff certainly using it things with our staff certainly using it things with our staff certainly using it as a hiring tool and it has as a hiring tool and it has as a hiring tool and it has revolutionized the last several hires revolutionized the last several hires revolutionized the last several hires the way that we hire and and the people the way that we hire and and the people the way that we hire and and the people that we've selected um phenomenal that we've selected um phenomenal that we've selected um phenomenal phenomenal very cool so that's just the phenomenal very cool so that's just the phenomenal very cool so that's just the um zero risk assessment is that zero um zero risk assessment is that zero um zero risk assessment is that zero what would you if we were looking for what would you if we were looking for what would you if we were looking for that where would we find that online that where would we find that online that where would we find that online yeah um so clear Direct is leadership yeah um so clear Direct is leadership yeah um so clear Direct is leadership development tool zero risk is something development tool zero risk is something development tool zero risk is something that you could just Google okay the that you could just Google okay the that you could just Google okay the Herman K Kinsel okay great um what's a Herman K Kinsel okay great um what's a Herman K Kinsel okay great um what's a book you've read in the last six months book you've read in the last six months book you've read in the last six months or so that's you know had an impact on or so that's you know had an impact on or so that's you know had an impact on your ministry and thinking oh I I'm your ministry and thinking oh I I'm your ministry and thinking oh I I'm going to talk on a personal level right going to talk on a personal level right going to talk on a personal level right now because there's tons of great books now because there's tons of great books now because there's tons of great books out there for Ministry um but just as it out there for Ministry um but just as it out there for Ministry um but just as it pertains to self-care um as Ministry

pertains to self-care um as Ministry pertains to self-care um as Ministry leaders it's something that we don't leaders it's something that we don't leaders it's something that we don't always do such a great job in and I always do such a great job in and I always do such a great job in and I really believe it breaks breaks God's really believe it breaks breaks God's really believe it breaks breaks God's heart um and so the best yes by heart um and so the best yes by heart um and so the best yes by has been H so lifegiving to me person Co has been H so lifegiving to me person Co has been H so lifegiving to me person Co yeah love it very cool what's another yeah love it very cool what's another yeah love it very cool what's another Ministry you're looking to that you're Ministry you're looking to that you're Ministry you're looking to that you're learning from these days besides yours learning from these days besides yours learning from these days besides yours you and your awesome blogs and no I'm you and your awesome blogs and no I'm you and your awesome blogs and no I'm serious you have been um I was just serious you have been um I was just serious you have been um I was just talking to our pastoral staff yesterday talking to our pastoral staff yesterday talking to our pastoral staff yesterday about your coaching I don't know if you about your coaching I don't know if you about your coaching I don't know if you remember it was probably about two years remember it was probably about two years remember it was probably about two years ago as I started to take on assimilation ago as I started to take on assimilation ago as I started to take on assimilation and discipleship I just reached out to and discipleship I just reached out to and discipleship I just reached out to you and said would you I was amazed you you and said would you I was amazed you you and said would you I was amazed you spent an hour and a half on the phone spent an hour and a half on the phone spent an hour and a half on the phone with me and at the end I was like how with me and at the end I was like how with me and at the end I was like how much do I owe you and you were like much do I owe you and you were like much do I owe you and you were like Christine I'm just I'm loving to just Christine I'm just I'm loving to just Christine I'm just I'm loving to just talk with you and strategize with you talk with you and strategize with you talk with you and strategize with you and those were huge moments for us um and those were huge moments for us um and those were huge moments for us um North Point Ministries of course rethink North Point Ministries of course rethink North Point Ministries of course rethink um Reggie Joiner has been such a huge um Reggie Joiner has been such a huge um Reggie Joiner has been such a huge inspiration in my life and in my inspiration in my life and in my inspiration in my life and in my family's life and so that's huge yeah so family's life and so that's huge yeah so family's life and so that's huge yeah so good and then my friend Carrie newoff I good and then my friend Carrie newoff I good and then my friend Carrie newoff I know You' said you really like him as know You' said you really like him as know You' said you really like him as well he's a such a great guy I always well he's a such a great guy I always well he's a such a great guy I always want to push people towards Carrie he's want to push people towards Carrie he's want to push people towards Carrie he's a fantastic leader for sure definitely a fantastic leader for sure definitely a fantastic leader for sure definitely and if you're not watching this youve and if you're not watching this youve and if you're not watching this youve got a big orange wall behind you which got a big orange wall behind you which got a big orange wall behind you which which is always a giveaway to people in which is always a giveaway to people in which is always a giveaway to people in Ministry I'm like oh clearly they've Ministry I'm like oh clearly they've Ministry I'm like oh clearly they've beenn orange so which is fantastic beenn orange so which is fantastic beenn orange so which is fantastic obviously all great fantastic Ministries obviously all great fantastic Ministries obviously all great fantastic Ministries if you could get uh 15 minutes alive if you could get uh 15 minutes alive if you could get uh 15 minutes alive with any leader today um with any leader with any leader today um with any leader with any leader today um with any leader that's alive today who would you want to that's alive today who would you want to that's alive today who would you want to get that with and why I'd have to say get that with and why I'd have to say get that with and why I'd have to say Andy Stanley um I just so appreciate his Andy Stanley um I just so appreciate his Andy Stanley um I just so appreciate his authentic leadership um the way that he

authentic leadership um the way that he authentic leadership um the way that he thinks strategically I just love that um thinks strategically I just love that um thinks strategically I just love that um true yeah he's just been his book deep true yeah he's just been his book deep true yeah he's just been his book deep and wide I mean it was like sitting down and wide I mean it was like sitting down and wide I mean it was like sitting down and having a conversation with him that and having a conversation with him that and having a conversation with him that was a huge one for us as well absolutely was a huge one for us as well absolutely was a huge one for us as well absolutely he's a little bit of the Pope let's be he's a little bit of the Pope let's be he's a little bit of the Pope let's be honest you know I think uh you know I we honest you know I think uh you know I we honest you know I think uh you know I we all would like to kiss Andy Stanley's all would like to kiss Andy Stanley's all would like to kiss Andy Stanley's ring at someday some point so I probably ring at someday some point so I probably ring at someday some point so I probably shouldn't say that because that probably shouldn't say that because that probably shouldn't say that because that probably just disqualified me from ever meeting just disqualified me from ever meeting just disqualified me from ever meeting him actually you know it's a funny story him actually you know it's a funny story him actually you know it's a funny story we've got I'm going to see if I can dig we've got I'm going to see if I can dig we've got I'm going to see if I can dig it up we've got this picture years ago it up we've got this picture years ago it up we've got this picture years ago uh we took our staff to uh down to their uh we took our staff to uh down to their uh we took our staff to uh down to their their conference the drive conference their conference the drive conference their conference the drive conference and we were like the I think it was like and we were like the I think it was like and we were like the I think it was like the second most people from a single the second most people from a single the second most people from a single church or something like that and so church or something like that and so church or something like that and so they had this lunch for our lead guy Tim they had this lunch for our lead guy Tim they had this lunch for our lead guy Tim with Andy and and they got this picture with Andy and and they got this picture with Andy and and they got this picture him and Andy standing together and Andy him and Andy standing together and Andy him and Andy standing together and Andy looks so uncomfortable to be standing looks so uncomfortable to be standing looks so uncomfortable to be standing beside him it's like he's got his arm beside him it's like he's got his arm beside him it's like he's got his arm around him and he's like H I got to see around him and he's like H I got to see around him and he's like H I got to see if I can find that picture and put it on if I can find that picture and put it on if I can find that picture and put it on the uh on the podcast notes here because the uh on the podcast notes here because the uh on the podcast notes here because it's a fantastic image so oh that's it's a fantastic image so oh that's it's a fantastic image so oh that's funny love uh love Andy Stanley for sure funny love uh love Andy Stanley for sure funny love uh love Andy Stanley for sure all right well I know you're busy uh all right well I know you're busy uh all right well I know you're busy uh there's a lot of incredible things going there's a lot of incredible things going there's a lot of incredible things going on at some point we'll probably be on at some point we'll probably be on at some point we'll probably be hearing from GT church again there's hearing from GT church again there's hearing from GT church again there's some incredible things that have some incredible things that have some incredible things that have happened at this church in the last you happened at this church in the last you happened at this church in the last you know 6 months to a year that I'm hoping know 6 months to a year that I'm hoping know 6 months to a year that I'm hoping at some point you know in the future at some point you know in the future at some point you know in the future we'll be able to talk more about on the we'll be able to talk more about on the we'll be able to talk more about on the on the podcast if you're not following on the podcast if you're not following on the podcast if you're not following them you should um but I'm sure things them you should um but I'm sure things them you should um but I'm sure things are busy there you're an author um you are busy there you're an author um you are busy there you're an author um you know helping a lot of church leaders know helping a lot of church leaders know helping a lot of church leaders when you're doing all that um how do you when you're doing all that um how do you when you're doing all that um how do you just have fun what do you do to kick just have fun what do you do to kick just have fun what do you do to kick back and relax oh a couple different back and relax oh a couple different back and relax oh a couple different things I well I love hanging out with my things I well I love hanging out with my things I well I love hanging out with my my husband and I have three boys 26 18

my husband and I have three boys 26 18 my husband and I have three boys 26 18 and 16 and so we love to just go to the and 16 and so we love to just go to the and 16 and so we love to just go to the lake and fish and hang out but I also lake and fish and hang out but I also lake and fish and hang out but I also love to travel love to travel love to travel um yeah I've been just blessed to go to um yeah I've been just blessed to go to um yeah I've been just blessed to go to a couple of different uh places and a couple of different uh places and a couple of different uh places and Dubai has been my favorite and yeah so Dubai has been my favorite and yeah so Dubai has been my favorite and yeah so that's been that was what was Dubai like that's been that was what was Dubai like that's been that was what was Dubai like what did you like about that oh I love what did you like about that oh I love what did you like about that oh I love the people I loved the ethnic diversity the people I loved the ethnic diversity the people I loved the ethnic diversity I loved we went actually it was through I loved we went actually it was through I loved we went actually it was through orange Daren Kaiser and his wife Becky orange Daren Kaiser and his wife Becky orange Daren Kaiser and his wife Becky and uh Steph co-authors of the book um and uh Steph co-authors of the book um and uh Steph co-authors of the book um we went actually the bones of the book we went actually the bones of the book we went actually the bones of the book were written in Dubai because we did a were written in Dubai because we did a were written in Dubai because we did a lot of family ministry training there oh lot of family ministry training there oh lot of family ministry training there oh interesting cool with a church called interesting cool with a church called interesting cool with a church called Gateway Church and um it was just Gateway Church and um it was just Gateway Church and um it was just incredible everything is bigger better incredible everything is bigger better incredible everything is bigger better cleaner food was amazing um yeah so that cleaner food was amazing um yeah so that cleaner food was amazing um yeah so that was just an incredible opportunity and was just an incredible opportunity and was just an incredible opportunity and then last year I went on a missions trip then last year I went on a missions trip then last year I went on a missions trip to Kenya and went on Wow a safari in the to Kenya and went on Wow a safari in the to Kenya and went on Wow a safari in the masam mara reserve and oh my goodness oh masam mara reserve and oh my goodness oh masam mara reserve and oh my goodness oh very cool very cool well we could geek very cool very cool well we could geek very cool very cool well we could geek out about that I was on Safari last out about that I was on Safari last out about that I was on Safari last summer in Rwanda in akagera and it was summer in Rwanda in akagera and it was summer in Rwanda in akagera and it was same I put it up there with one of my same I put it up there with one of my same I put it up there with one of my top five days of the my entire life it top five days of the my entire life it top five days of the my entire life it was incredible so very cool well thank was incredible so very cool well thank was incredible so very cool well thank you so much Christine for being on the you so much Christine for being on the you so much Christine for being on the episode so glad that you could spend episode so glad that you could spend episode so glad that you could spend some time with us today um how can some time with us today um how can some time with us today um how can people get in touch with you or with the people get in touch with you or with the people get in touch with you or with the church um you know more about the book church um you know more about the book church um you know more about the book we'll have links about in it in the show we'll have links about in it in the show we'll have links about in it in the show notes so you can go over there and check notes so you can go over there and check notes so you can go over there and check that out at on Seminary um but if you that out at on Seminary um but if you that out at on Seminary um but if you know you want more information how can know you want more information how can know you want more information how can people do that yeah we have a website people do that yeah we have a website people do that yeah we have a website stopr recruiting.com you can go get some stopr recruiting.com you can go get some stopr recruiting.com you can go get some information there's a lot of tools on information there's a lot of tools on information there's a lot of tools on that um website as well things that we that um website as well things that we that um website as well things that we didn't get to talk about today our serve didn't get to talk about today our serve didn't get to talk about today our serve process our new volunteer process um so process our new volunteer process um so process our new volunteer process um so some practical things that you can

some practical things that you can some practical things that you can actually start to utilize right away um actually start to utilize right away um actually start to utilize right away um and then that gives you information and then that gives you information and then that gives you information about the book and where to get the book about the book and where to get the book about the book and where to get the book as well um on Twitter I'm Christine k k as well um on Twitter I'm Christine k k as well um on Twitter I'm Christine k k re re re I um and uh yeah so def our church we I um and uh yeah so def our church we I um and uh yeah so def our church we have a Facebook page GT church I would have a Facebook page GT church I would have a Facebook page GT church I would say definitely check that out we have an say definitely check that out we have an say definitely check that out we have an awesome um our our lead Pastor is coming awesome um our our lead Pastor is coming awesome um our our lead Pastor is coming back to preach for the first time after back to preach for the first time after back to preach for the first time after a horrific accident four months ago and a horrific accident four months ago and a horrific accident four months ago and so um it's going to be an incredible so um it's going to be an incredible so um it's going to be an incredible weekend here so pray for us if you would weekend here so pray for us if you would weekend here so pray for us if you would please for sure definitely well thank please for sure definitely well thank please for sure definitely well thank you so much Christine for being on the you so much Christine for being on the you so much Christine for being on the episode today always fun and like I said episode today always fun and like I said episode today always fun and like I said I know I've already kind of chilled for I know I've already kind of chilled for I know I've already kind of chilled for your book a little bit but 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