Justin Varghese on Leadership Development Strategies That Work

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show awesome thank you for having me I'm show awesome thank you for having me I'm it's an honor to be on the show thank it's an honor to be on the show thank it's an honor to be on the show thank you really appreciate that why don't you you really appreciate that why don't you you really appreciate that why don't you tell us about the church give us a sense tell us about the church give us a sense tell us about the church give us a sense of kind of venue church if someone was of kind of venue church if someone was of kind of venue church if someone was to come this weekend kind of a bit of to come this weekend kind of a bit of to come this weekend kind of a bit of the history would tell me about the the history would tell me about the the history would tell me about the church sure many church is a man it's a church sure many church is a man it's a church sure many church is a man it's a non-denominational church we we are as non-denominational church we we are as non-denominational church we we are as you know about three years old and very you know about three years old and very you know about three years old and very if I had to explain it briefly I would if I had to explain it briefly I would if I had to explain it briefly I would say a church that brings the power of say a church that brings the power of say a church that brings the power of God and but yet balances it where it's God and but yet balances it where it's God and but yet balances it where it's not our focus as a church really is to not our focus as a church really is to not our focus as a church really is to reach unchurched people so to a place reach unchurched people so to a place reach unchurched people so to a place where an where an where an search person that never has had an search person that never has had an search person that never has had an encounter with Jesus could walk in and encounter with Jesus could walk in and encounter with Jesus could walk in and feel the presence of God without being feel the presence of God without being feel the presence of God without being may be weirded out or afraid or not may be weirded out or afraid or not may be weirded out or afraid or not knowing what's going on that kind of knowing what's going on that kind of knowing what's going on that kind of filling in and that's a very hard bounce filling in and that's a very hard bounce filling in and that's a very hard bounce to catch but I think we've done a very to catch but I think we've done a very to catch but I think we've done a very effective job doing so so okay quick effective job doing so so okay quick effective job doing so so okay quick yeah yeah there's a lot of there's it's yeah yeah there's a lot of there's it's yeah yeah there's a lot of there's it's interesting i was speaking at a interesting i was speaking at a interesting i was speaking at a conference last year and there the this conference last year and there the this conference last year and there the this just kind of the collection of folks just kind of the collection of folks just kind of the collection of folks that were in this this group they were that were in this this group they were that were in this this group they were you know i would say from the kind of you know i would say from the kind of you know i would say from the kind of spirit empowered side of the you know spirit empowered side of the you know spirit empowered side of the you know the christian world and they kind of had the christian world and they kind of had the christian world and they kind of had me there as like the guy from whatever me there as like the guy from whatever me there as like the guy from whatever you call it a tractional church land you call it a tractional church land you call it a tractional church land that kind of thing and it was that kind of thing and it was that kind of thing and it was interesting because they were wrestling interesting because they were wrestling interesting because they were wrestling with how do we be more you know kind of with how do we be more you know kind of with how do we be more you know kind of unchurched folk focused which I thought

unchurched folk focused which I thought unchurched folk focused which I thought was really cool the interesting thing as was really cool the interesting thing as was really cool the interesting thing as I said you know I think there's a I said you know I think there's a I said you know I think there's a movement on on that kind of attraction movement on on that kind of attraction movement on on that kind of attraction lender the spectrum say how do we ensure lender the spectrum say how do we ensure lender the spectrum say how do we ensure that we are open to the things of the that we are open to the things of the that we are open to the things of the spirit that we're not we're not just spirit that we're not we're not just spirit that we're not we're not just trying to present a show so why don't trying to present a show so why don't trying to present a show so why don't give us a bit of the history I know give us a bit of the history I know give us a bit of the history I know you're one of the fastest churches you're one of the fastest churches you're one of the fastest churches that's it growing churches in the that's it growing churches in the that's it growing churches in the country that must be you know you know country that must be you know you know country that must be you know you know it must be you know an amazing thing to it must be you know an amazing thing to it must be you know an amazing thing to be a part of give me a sense of what be a part of give me a sense of what be a part of give me a sense of what kind of what's happened over the last kind of what's happened over the last kind of what's happened over the last few years well it's been crazy we've few years well it's been crazy we've few years well it's been crazy we've done a lot of stuff that's I guess most done a lot of stuff that's I guess most done a lot of stuff that's I guess most churches wouldn't be so early in the churches wouldn't be so early in the churches wouldn't be so early in the game we did a an easter egg drop for the game we did a an easter egg drop for the game we did a an easter egg drop for the city where we basically rented a city where we basically rented a city where we basically rented a helicopter and drop e 50,000 Easter eggs helicopter and drop e 50,000 Easter eggs helicopter and drop e 50,000 Easter eggs at a huge Park in our city that was that at a huge Park in our city that was that at a huge Park in our city that was that at that time we had about 400 people at at that time we had about 400 people at at that time we had about 400 people at our church and it was the first year our church and it was the first year our church and it was the first year that we had started and we had about that we had started and we had about that we had started and we had about 11,000 people show up oh my goodness 11,000 people show up oh my goodness 11,000 people show up oh my goodness yeah so much that it it clogged up the yeah so much that it it clogged up the yeah so much that it it clogged up the interstate it the news crew dang I mean interstate it the news crew dang I mean interstate it the news crew dang I mean it was a mess I mean it wasn't a mess it was a mess I mean it wasn't a mess it was a mess I mean it wasn't a mess great right we did we were praying I great right we did we were praying I great right we did we were praying I remember we were praying that 5,000 remember we were praying that 5,000 remember we were praying that 5,000 people would show up and were like man people would show up and were like man people would show up and were like man if we did that would be awesome and God if we did that would be awesome and God if we did that would be awesome and God just blew our minds and doing that well just blew our minds and doing that well just blew our minds and doing that well it kind of really put an it kind of really put an it kind of really put an just a stamp on the city like that we just a stamp on the city like that we just a stamp on the city like that we were really telling the city hey we're were really telling the city hey we're were really telling the city hey we're here and we've got we had a lot of here and we've got we had a lot of here and we've got we had a lot of people ask us that day they were like

people ask us that day they were like people ask us that day they were like when are ya'll guys like a mega church when are ya'll guys like a mega church when are ya'll guys like a mega church or life and we were like not really we or life and we were like not really we or life and we were like not really we have like 400 people that come to our have like 400 people that come to our have like 400 people that come to our church and they were just blown away by church and they were just blown away by church and they were just blown away by how we really a hosted the city you know how we really a hosted the city you know how we really a hosted the city you know and I mean our volunteers probably some and I mean our volunteers probably some and I mean our volunteers probably some of the best volunteers and in the world of the best volunteers and in the world of the best volunteers and in the world I mean they just really hold it down and I mean they just really hold it down and I mean they just really hold it down and any to any time we do big events we just any to any time we do big events we just any to any time we do big events we just we do it's just like who we are you know we do it's just like who we are you know we do it's just like who we are you know and we get really and the city gets to and we get really and the city gets to and we get really and the city gets to really see that and over a period of really see that and over a period of really see that and over a period of time we've done events like that I think time we've done events like that I think time we've done events like that I think one of the biggest keys is that we don't one of the biggest keys is that we don't one of the biggest keys is that we don't wait for people to come to the new wait for people to come to the new wait for people to come to the new church but we go get them and so you church but we go get them and so you church but we go get them and so you know most churches you know tho those know most churches you know tho those know most churches you know tho those sweet things you know in church but they sweet things you know in church but they sweet things you know in church but they never go out and get the people so we do never go out and get the people so we do never go out and get the people so we do interesting things like we stand on side interesting things like we stand on side interesting things like we stand on side of the road with signs and and of course of the road with signs and and of course of the road with signs and and of course it's not like with the cross like you it's not like with the cross like you it's not like with the cross like you know it's like fun people having a great know it's like fun people having a great know it's like fun people having a great time you know high-fiving each other time you know high-fiving each other time you know high-fiving each other smiling and for a while about thirty smiling and for a while about thirty smiling and for a while about thirty percent of our first time guesting from percent of our first time guesting from percent of our first time guesting from that by itself wow that old school way that by itself wow that old school way that by itself wow that old school way yeah that old school way of just yeah that old school way of just yeah that old school way of just inviting people and doing door hangers inviting people and doing door hangers inviting people and doing door hangers and just like the invite cards the power and just like the invite cards the power and just like the invite cards the power of an invite card is very powerful I of an invite card is very powerful I of an invite card is very powerful I mean I think we forget that because we mean I think we forget that because we mean I think we forget that because we get so would you know advance with get so would you know advance with get so would you know advance with everything we just kind of forget that everything we just kind of forget that everything we just kind of forget that part of it but there's nothing more part of it but there's nothing more part of it but there's nothing more effective in a face-to-face invite you effective in a face-to-face invite you effective in a face-to-face invite you know dad and dancing come back to that know dad and dancing come back to that know dad and dancing come back to that time it's in fact literally just this time it's in fact literally just this time it's in fact literally just this morning I was emailing with the church

morning I was emailing with the church morning I was emailing with the church leader who was saying are you serious leader who was saying are you serious leader who was saying are you serious about this invite card saying how big of about this invite card saying how big of about this invite card saying how big of a deal is that and I was like dude it's a deal is that and I was like dude it's a deal is that and I was like dude it's a big deal like do not you know and can a big deal like do not you know and can a big deal like do not you know and can say he was pushing back on some stuff say he was pushing back on some stuff say he was pushing back on some stuff I've written that on seminary and I'm I've written that on seminary and I'm I've written that on seminary and I'm like listen I could line up church after like listen I could line up church after like listen I could line up church after church who says the exact same thing church who says the exact same thing church who says the exact same thing that you said hey we've got to you know that you said hey we've got to you know that you said hey we've got to you know get those in people's hands y know being get those in people's hands y know being get those in people's hands y know being a you know fast-growing church a you know fast-growing church a you know fast-growing church developing leaders is a significant you developing leaders is a significant you developing leaders is a significant you know issue it's you know something you know issue it's you know something you know issue it's you know something you really there's never an end to you need really there's never an end to you need really there's never an end to you need to consistently find new leaders what to consistently find new leaders what to consistently find new leaders what have you done you know it's such an such have you done you know it's such an such have you done you know it's such an such a rapid pace how have you you know grown a rapid pace how have you you know grown a rapid pace how have you you know grown leaders so quickly that's been able to leaders so quickly that's been able to leaders so quickly that's been able to the growth that you've seen as a new the growth that you've seen as a new the growth that you've seen as a new church man I think we still that's still church man I think we still that's still church man I think we still that's still a challenge for us what we noticed is as a challenge for us what we noticed is as a challenge for us what we noticed is as the church grows and it does I mean the church grows and it does I mean the church grows and it does I mean there's only a certain capacity that a there's only a certain capacity that a there's only a certain capacity that a certain level of leaders can do if you certain level of leaders can do if you certain level of leaders can do if you really want to multiply your church I really want to multiply your church I really want to multiply your church I think up to a point is addition if think up to a point is addition if think up to a point is addition if you're talking about followers you'll you're talking about followers you'll you're talking about followers you'll grow some but if you really want to grow some but if you really want to grow some but if you really want to multiply the church you have to grow multiply the church you have to grow multiply the church you have to grow leaders I mean they are the pillars of leaders I mean they are the pillars of leaders I mean they are the pillars of the church so the more pillars you have the church so the more pillars you have the church so the more pillars you have of the bigger it grows it's just that of the bigger it grows it's just that of the bigger it grows it's just that simple and so for us it's really been simple and so for us it's really been simple and so for us it's really been identifying leaders you know as they identifying leaders you know as they identifying leaders you know as they come in at volunteers or want to serve come in at volunteers or want to serve come in at volunteers or want to serve or buy into the visions and and and or buy into the visions and and and or buy into the visions and and and giving them an outlet to really figure giving them an outlet to really figure giving them an outlet to really figure out like what is their gift that's a lot out like what is their gift that's a lot out like what is their gift that's a lot of people we have a lot of unchurched of people we have a lot of unchurched of people we have a lot of unchurched people so lucky that come they don't people so lucky that come they don't people so lucky that come they don't they don't know what God's called them

they don't know what God's called them they don't know what God's called them to do their like I don't know but I just to do their like I don't know but I just to do their like I don't know but I just know I want to do something and so it's know I want to do something and so it's know I want to do something and so it's really pastoring them and saying all really pastoring them and saying all really pastoring them and saying all right as long as you have the will to right as long as you have the will to right as long as you have the will to want to do something I'm going to get want to do something I'm going to get want to do something I'm going to get you there you know and so so then we go you there you know and so so then we go you there you know and so so then we go through a process with them in whatever through a process with them in whatever through a process with them in whatever it might be whether it be in youth or it might be whether it be in youth or it might be whether it be in youth or kids or whatever all of our pastors are kids or whatever all of our pastors are kids or whatever all of our pastors are you know we're constantly talking hey you know we're constantly talking hey you know we're constantly talking hey what do you think about this and and what do you think about this and and what do you think about this and and that's a big thing too because I think that's a big thing too because I think that's a big thing too because I think sometimes churches can get to sometimes churches can get to sometimes churches can get to departmentalized where they don't share departmentalized where they don't share departmentalized where they don't share information about leaders in fact they information about leaders in fact they information about leaders in fact they might even get competitive right they might even get competitive right they might even get competitive right they may pay to be that you know let alone may pay to be that you know let alone may pay to be that you know let alone not sharing it might be like I don't not sharing it might be like I don't not sharing it might be like I don't want to talk to other people about these want to talk to other people about these want to talk to other people about these leaders because I might need them leaders because I might need them leaders because I might need them something that's how are you doing that something that's how are you doing that something that's how are you doing that how are you sharing information so a lot how are you sharing information so a lot how are you sharing information so a lot of times we do that as the executive at of times we do that as the executive at of times we do that as the executive at this point I do manage all the staff so this point I do manage all the staff so this point I do manage all the staff so I have weekly meetings with all my staff I have weekly meetings with all my staff I have weekly meetings with all my staff members whether it be the youth pastor members whether it be the youth pastor members whether it be the youth pastor kids you know worship all of that and so kids you know worship all of that and so kids you know worship all of that and so when I talk to these people I'm asking when I talk to these people I'm asking when I talk to these people I'm asking about volunteers I'm asking about about volunteers I'm asking about about volunteers I'm asking about certain people you know what do you certain people you know what do you certain people you know what do you think about so-and-so how are they doing think about so-and-so how are they doing think about so-and-so how are they doing this that the other and a lot of times this that the other and a lot of times this that the other and a lot of times I'll get this information well you know I'll get this information well you know I'll get this information well you know they kind of feel lean towards youth or they kind of feel lean towards youth or they kind of feel lean towards youth or I don't know they've been talking about I don't know they've been talking about I don't know they've been talking about this I've been talking about that this I've been talking about that this I've been talking about that and sometimes I mean I'm just I'm just and sometimes I mean I'm just I'm just and sometimes I mean I'm just I'm just forward like to i'll have personal forward like to i'll have personal forward like to i'll have personal relations i'll call them and ask them relations i'll call them and ask them relations i'll call them and ask them myself like hey man I was just going and myself like hey man I was just going and myself like hey man I was just going and sometimes being that neutral person they sometimes being that neutral person they sometimes being that neutral person they feel like they can just tell me whatever feel like they can just tell me whatever feel like they can just tell me whatever they want to tell me and I usually try they want to tell me and I usually try they want to tell me and I usually try to make the right plugs or try to help

to make the right plugs or try to help to make the right plugs or try to help them in their existing role right now on them in their existing role right now on them in their existing role right now on that person obviously at every level it that person obviously at every level it that person obviously at every level it won't be that but I think there's always won't be that but I think there's always won't be that but I think there's always good to have that third person because a good to have that third person because a good to have that third person because a lot of people don't want to let their lot of people don't want to let their lot of people don't want to let their leader down if they feel fall to another leader down if they feel fall to another leader down if they feel fall to another one so they like how do I so there has one so they like how do I so there has one so they like how do I so there has to be either like a volunteer director to be either like a volunteer director to be either like a volunteer director or you know coordinator somebody that a or you know coordinator somebody that a or you know coordinator somebody that a neutral person that they can confide in neutral person that they can confide in neutral person that they can confide in and say you know what I know I started and say you know what I know I started and say you know what I know I started here but maybe I feel more called there here but maybe I feel more called there here but maybe I feel more called there now that I've been in it and that kind now that I've been in it and that kind now that I've been in it and that kind of stuff so you want to make sure you're of stuff so you want to make sure you're of stuff so you want to make sure you're moving people strategically and in where moving people strategically and in where moving people strategically and in where they want to be for it to really thrive they want to be for it to really thrive they want to be for it to really thrive yeah I think it was you five people that yeah I think it was you five people that yeah I think it was you five people that he was just you know battling slowly I he was just you know battling slowly I he was just you know battling slowly I think that's a huge issue providing you think that's a huge issue providing you think that's a huge issue providing you know a safe place ultimately as a church know a safe place ultimately as a church know a safe place ultimately as a church individual leaders in their you know individual leaders in their you know individual leaders in their you know their areas hey we're excited for them their areas hey we're excited for them their areas hey we're excited for them to be passionate about their area but as to be passionate about their area but as to be passionate about their area but as a leader at the executive level as a leader at the executive level as a leader at the executive level as executive pastor or a lead pastor you executive pastor or a lead pastor you executive pastor or a lead pastor you know we need to be thinking about how know we need to be thinking about how know we need to be thinking about how are we getting everyone included in the are we getting everyone included in the are we getting everyone included in the entire ministry and if people shift entire ministry and if people shift entire ministry and if people shift between departments that's okay so between departments that's okay so between departments that's okay so that's fine you know what you doing are that's fine you know what you doing are that's fine you know what you doing are you doing like a leadership development you doing like a leadership development you doing like a leadership development program or something to kind of develop program or something to kind of develop program or something to kind of develop the leaders that are within your church the leaders that are within your church the leaders that are within your church once there once they're plugged in yes once there once they're plugged in yes once there once they're plugged in yes so we started a leadership program it's so we started a leadership program it's so we started a leadership program it's called venue academy and started at called venue academy and started at called venue academy and started at lassen last year and it's been great lassen last year and it's been great lassen last year and it's been great what we do in that is and you know it what we do in that is and you know it what we do in that is and you know it does and first churches that are you does and first churches that are you does and first churches that are you know just figuring all this out it know just figuring all this out it know just figuring all this out it doesn't have to be this like big doesn't have to be this like big doesn't have to be this like big expensive kind of thing we started with

expensive kind of thing we started with expensive kind of thing we started with the teaching or culture in leadership the teaching or culture in leadership the teaching or culture in leadership and going through the venue ways and and going through the venue ways and and going through the venue ways and kind of like our core values with with kind of like our core values with with kind of like our core values with with the leaders and these were people that the leaders and these were people that the leaders and these were people that were volunteers that we saw as leaders were volunteers that we saw as leaders were volunteers that we saw as leaders potential leaders and we asked them to potential leaders and we asked them to potential leaders and we asked them to be a part of this and and we just poured be a part of this and and we just poured be a part of this and and we just poured we just cast vision passive pastors the we just cast vision passive pastors the we just cast vision passive pastors the one that really taught it and he and we one that really taught it and he and we one that really taught it and he and we really established the vision and what really established the vision and what really established the vision and what we're going and what we're doing we're going and what we're doing we're going and what we're doing and it really kind of it changed the and it really kind of it changed the and it really kind of it changed the game really in those group of leaders game really in those group of leaders game really in those group of leaders the way they started serving the way the way they started serving the way the way they started serving the way they started just being taken ownership they started just being taken ownership they started just being taken ownership of division and we saw so much result in of division and we saw so much result in of division and we saw so much result in that that we did a second semester for that that we did a second semester for that that we did a second semester for them and and then recruited a whole them and and then recruited a whole them and and then recruited a whole nother semesters and we opened it to the nother semesters and we opened it to the nother semesters and we opened it to the entire church oh nice very good yeah so entire church oh nice very good yeah so entire church oh nice very good yeah so now we have two semesters and so the now we have two semesters and so the now we have two semesters and so the second semester I've been teaching other second semester I've been teaching other second semester I've been teaching other pastors have been teaching just pastors have been teaching just pastors have been teaching just different like the second semesters more different like the second semesters more different like the second semesters more been like strategic ways could be been like strategic ways could be been like strategic ways could be leaders so teaching from like you know leaders so teaching from like you know leaders so teaching from like you know the John Maxwell's Myles Munroe those the John Maxwell's Myles Munroe those the John Maxwell's Myles Munroe those kind of the kind of strategic ways to kind of the kind of strategic ways to kind of the kind of strategic ways to how how do you build leaders you know how how do you build leaders you know how how do you build leaders you know kind of thing and though that's really kind of thing and though that's really kind of thing and though that's really that's really been effective and really that's really been effective and really that's really been effective and really we've had some people really anchor in we've had some people really anchor in we've had some people really anchor in into our church that way mmhmm yeah I into our church that way mmhmm yeah I into our church that way mmhmm yeah I think that's good i just to highlight think that's good i just to highlight think that's good i just to highlight one thing you said there I I think one thing you said there I I think one thing you said there I I think sometimes we can make we get in our sometimes we can make we get in our sometimes we can make we get in our heads that we have to build this heads that we have to build this heads that we have to build this ultimate kind of leadership development ultimate kind of leadership development ultimate kind of leadership development program and we spend a lot of time

program and we spend a lot of time program and we spend a lot of time thinking about it and not actually thinking about it and not actually thinking about it and not actually acting on it and and and you know a acting on it and and and you know a acting on it and and and you know a launched leadership program even with launched leadership program even with launched leadership program even with something that you said there let's something that you said there let's something that you said there let's start with just talking about our values start with just talking about our values start with just talking about our values why do we do what we do how do we do why do we do what we do how do we do why do we do what we do how do we do what we do and you know that'll pay what we do and you know that'll pay what we do and you know that'll pay dividends on folks Dan Ryland a friend dividends on folks Dan Ryland a friend dividends on folks Dan Ryland a friend of mine in front of the podcast from 12 of mine in front of the podcast from 12 of mine in front of the podcast from 12 stone he says you know every church stone he says you know every church stone he says you know every church leader needs the basis of every leader needs the basis of every leader needs the basis of every leadership program is get a group of leadership program is get a group of leadership program is get a group of people get a book read it and then talk people get a book read it and then talk people get a book read it and then talk about it you know and yes if we just did about it you know and yes if we just did about it you know and yes if we just did that you know that that would be you that you know that that would be you that you know that that would be you know unfortunately would be light years know unfortunately would be light years know unfortunately would be light years ahead of what most your tubing because a ahead of what most your tubing because a ahead of what most your tubing because a lot of churches just don't have anything lot of churches just don't have anything lot of churches just don't have anything like that yeah I mean I think it's true like that yeah I mean I think it's true like that yeah I mean I think it's true you know John Maxwell says this like you you know John Maxwell says this like you you know John Maxwell says this like you know you teach what you know but you know you teach what you know but you know you teach what you know but you reproduce who you are so good even in reproduce who you are so good even in reproduce who you are so good even in even in teaching we're reproducing who even in teaching we're reproducing who even in teaching we're reproducing who we are and that's what people are coming we are and that's what people are coming we are and that's what people are coming to they want to know they want your to they want to know they want your to they want to know they want your leadership they want to be under your leadership they want to be under your leadership they want to be under your leadership and they want to know like leadership and they want to know like leadership and they want to know like how did you get there and as you teach how did you get there and as you teach how did you get there and as you teach out of books or whatever it really who out of books or whatever it really who out of books or whatever it really who you are is what comes out and that's you are is what comes out and that's you are is what comes out and that's what they get and when they start what they get and when they start what they get and when they start getting that I mean I always told my getting that I mean I always told my getting that I mean I always told my leaders like leaders like leaders like how many of y'all wish there was ten of how many of y'all wish there was ten of how many of y'all wish there was ten of y'all right you know yeah it's like y'all right you know yeah it's like y'all right you know yeah it's like we'll go make them because there's we'll go make them because there's we'll go make them because there's there's there's more than 10 people that there's there's more than 10 people that there's there's more than 10 people that want to be under you and you know mean want to be under you and you know mean want to be under you and you know mean and carry that same Authority and and carry that same Authority and and carry that same Authority and anointing and everything that you have anointing and everything that you have anointing and everything that you have to like share it with them you know and to like share it with them you know and to like share it with them you know and you'll find yourself in a position where you'll find yourself in a position where you'll find yourself in a position where there is kind of you and way more there is kind of you and way more there is kind of you and way more effective yeah that's cool why don't we

effective yeah that's cool why don't we effective yeah that's cool why don't we kind of pivot a little bit and talk kind of pivot a little bit and talk kind of pivot a little bit and talk about you guys are two locations you can about you guys are two locations you can about you guys are two locations you can so you've done the transition from one so you've done the transition from one so you've done the transition from one to two which is huge congratulations how to two which is huge congratulations how to two which is huge congratulations how that kind of leadership development that kind of leadership development that kind of leadership development impact that decision and then how you impact that decision and then how you impact that decision and then how you know how have you changed your approach know how have you changed your approach know how have you changed your approach what how you know how has it helped what how you know how has it helped what how you know how has it helped going multi-site how all of that what going multi-site how all of that what going multi-site how all of that what does that look like yeah multi-site is a does that look like yeah multi-site is a does that look like yeah multi-site is a big one because what you start to big one because what you start to big one because what you start to realize is with multi-site you have the realize is with multi-site you have the realize is with multi-site you have the same church but you tend to have same church but you tend to have same church but you tend to have different cultures at different campuses different cultures at different campuses different cultures at different campuses and it all depends on demographics the and it all depends on demographics the and it all depends on demographics the area and all that kind of stuff and area and all that kind of stuff and area and all that kind of stuff and understanding that you have to have the understanding that you have to have the understanding that you have to have the culture there but it's okay to culture there but it's okay to culture there but it's okay to understand the differences between the understand the differences between the understand the differences between the areas north georgia campus is a lot areas north georgia campus is a lot areas north georgia campus is a lot different from our chat another campus different from our chat another campus different from our chat another campus but yet the vision is still the same and but yet the vision is still the same and but yet the vision is still the same and so I think the hardest part for us was so I think the hardest part for us was so I think the hardest part for us was really being okay with that and saying really being okay with that and saying really being okay with that and saying you know it's it's like having children you know it's it's like having children you know it's it's like having children they all have different personalities they all have different personalities they all have different personalities and but there's still our children you and but there's still our children you and but there's still our children you know what I mean and so building know what I mean and so building know what I mean and so building leadership has I know in our North leadership has I know in our North leadership has I know in our North Georgia campus is I mean this the way Georgia campus is I mean this the way Georgia campus is I mean this the way they do things is I mean they're just they do things is I mean they're just they do things is I mean they're just there is a smaller town it's in North there is a smaller town it's in North there is a smaller town it's in North Georgia smaller town and people are just Georgia smaller town and people are just Georgia smaller town and people are just like it's just different you know it's like it's just different you know it's like it's just different you know it's just people before everybody knows each just people before everybody knows each just people before everybody knows each other I mean it's like a big family other I mean it's like a big family other I mean it's like a big family thing and an hour Chattanooga campus thing and an hour Chattanooga campus thing and an hour Chattanooga campus it's more like a lot more like you know

it's more like a lot more like you know it's more like a lot more like you know mainstream everybody comes and goes you mainstream everybody comes and goes you mainstream everybody comes and goes you know that kind of feel to it so really know that kind of feel to it so really know that kind of feel to it so really what we like to do really is draw from what we like to do really is draw from what we like to do really is draw from that particular area you know those that particular area you know those that particular area you know those features because there's just more of a features because there's just more of a features because there's just more of a connection there we tend to see that connection there we tend to see that connection there we tend to see that that it works better that way and in that it works better that way and in that it works better that way and in some cases pestle some cases pestle some cases pestle or was it doesn't matter because we're or was it doesn't matter because we're or was it doesn't matter because we're you know one church and people you know one church and people you know one church and people understand that concept but I think it's understand that concept but I think it's understand that concept but I think it's easier if you can if you can draw easier if you can if you can draw easier if you can if you can draw leaders from that area now we we've had leaders from that area now we we've had leaders from that area now we we've had had to shift leaders before in the had to shift leaders before in the had to shift leaders before in the beginning to get the culture there so beginning to get the culture there so beginning to get the culture there so getting the culture there is the biggest getting the culture there is the biggest getting the culture there is the biggest fight like it's hard because people fight like it's hard because people fight like it's hard because people don't understand what you're doing they don't understand what you're doing they don't understand what you're doing they don't they're just figuring it out and don't they're just figuring it out and don't they're just figuring it out and basically the way we were able to be basically the way we were able to be basically the way we were able to be successful there is that we basically successful there is that we basically successful there is that we basically treated it as a like we were launching treated it as a like we were launching treated it as a like we were launching for the first time they rightly right for the first time they rightly right for the first time they rightly right and what that was all great results yeah and what that was all great results yeah and what that was all great results yeah that's cool the thing again just that's cool the thing again just that's cool the thing again just highlighting for folks like listen to highlighting for folks like listen to highlighting for folks like listen to this is church has three years old and this is church has three years old and this is church has three years old and um you know I love what you said there um you know I love what you said there um you know I love what you said there to think a lot of church leaders to think a lot of church leaders to think a lot of church leaders overlook when you're launching a campus overlook when you're launching a campus overlook when you're launching a campus replicating the culture is so important replicating the culture is so important replicating the culture is so important and being strategic around it is so and being strategic around it is so and being strategic around it is so important and if a church that three important and if a church that three important and if a church that three years old is saying like hey you know it years old is saying like hey you know it years old is saying like hey you know it takes us a while to figure that one out takes us a while to figure that one out takes us a while to figure that one out to do that well imagine church has been to do that well imagine church has been to do that well imagine church has been around for 50 60 70 80 100 years you around for 50 60 70 80 100 years you around for 50 60 70 80 100 years you know and and obviously a part of what know and and obviously a part of what know and and obviously a part of what you know God's blessing is that you guys you know God's blessing is that you guys you know God's blessing is that you guys have our working strategically you know have our working strategically you know have our working strategically you know to do that for sure that's that's really

to do that for sure that's that's really to do that for sure that's that's really cool now when you think about leadership cool now when you think about leadership cool now when you think about leadership development and you think about kind of development and you think about kind of development and you think about kind of the age spectrum again kind of a the age spectrum again kind of a the age spectrum again kind of a different you know a little bit of a different you know a little bit of a different you know a little bit of a different question on are you would you different question on are you would you different question on are you would you say that kind of the leaders you're say that kind of the leaders you're say that kind of the leaders you're coming bringing up are you seeing them coming bringing up are you seeing them coming bringing up are you seeing them are they kind of similar age to you and are they kind of similar age to you and are they kind of similar age to you and your senior pastor or are they you know your senior pastor or are they you know your senior pastor or are they you know you're deliberately trying to raise up you're deliberately trying to raise up you're deliberately trying to raise up younger leaders what does that look like younger leaders what does that look like younger leaders what does that look like no we actually have a really diverse age no we actually have a really diverse age no we actually have a really diverse age group believe it or not most most of it group believe it or not most most of it group believe it or not most most of it yet are young leaders but we have older yet are young leaders but we have older yet are young leaders but we have older people that just just want to be a part people that just just want to be a part people that just just want to be a part of the culture and want to lead and of the culture and want to lead and of the culture and want to lead and that's refreshing to see because that's refreshing to see because that's refreshing to see because normally you know you would think you normally you know you would think you normally you know you would think you would get a bunch of young leaders and would get a bunch of young leaders and would get a bunch of young leaders and but just to get older people and have but just to get older people and have but just to get older people and have that experience just life experience and that experience just life experience and that experience just life experience and and and where they're like you know what and and where they're like you know what and and where they're like you know what are even we get information from which are even we get information from which are even we get information from which is great we get a lot of ideas from the is great we get a lot of ideas from the is great we get a lot of ideas from the elders in our church as far as you know elders in our church as far as you know elders in our church as far as you know the broader things because we're all the broader things because we're all the broader things because we're all doing it for the first time so right doing it for the first time so right doing it for the first time so right like we got everybody like we're all like we got everybody like we're all like we got everybody like we're all making it up here for sure yeah and yeah making it up here for sure yeah and yeah making it up here for sure yeah and yeah it's been it's been really refreshing to it's been it's been really refreshing to it's been it's been really refreshing to see that and and we we put no age with see that and and we we put no age with see that and and we we put no age with limit on it either so right that's very limit on it either so right that's very limit on it either so right that's very cool it's really i'd like to share cool it's really i'd like to share cool it's really i'd like to share before we move on with the rest of the before we move on with the rest of the before we move on with the rest of the episode no not really i think the episode no not really i think the episode no not really i think the biggest thing is as a reminder as biggest thing is as a reminder as biggest thing is as a reminder as leaders in the church i think is to leaders in the church i think is to leaders in the church i think is to always remember this you know followers always remember this you know followers always remember this you know followers look the leaders leaders don't look for

look the leaders leaders don't look for look the leaders leaders don't look for followers you know no and what i mean by followers you know no and what i mean by followers you know no and what i mean by that is is that for leaders if we would that is is that for leaders if we would that is is that for leaders if we would just lead people will follow you instead just lead people will follow you instead just lead people will follow you instead of us being leaders trying to get of us being leaders trying to get of us being leaders trying to get followers right right right now and so followers right right right now and so followers right right right now and so like because because if we're trying to like because because if we're trying to like because because if we're trying to get followers eventually they'll find get followers eventually they'll find get followers eventually they'll find somebody who's really leading and somebody who's really leading and somebody who's really leading and they'll just follow them so like i they'll just follow them so like i they'll just follow them so like i always tell our leaders like just lead always tell our leaders like just lead always tell our leaders like just lead like be who you are be authentic be who like be who you are be authentic be who like be who you are be authentic be who God's called you to be II and people God's called you to be II and people God's called you to be II and people will see that and they will follow you will see that and they will follow you will see that and they will follow you like there's just no question about it like there's just no question about it like there's just no question about it but focus your energy on what God's but focus your energy on what God's but focus your energy on what God's called you to do and all of us will come called you to do and all of us will come called you to do and all of us will come you know it's inevitable this is the you know it's inevitable this is the you know it's inevitable this is the uncinate podcast stuff you wish they uncinate podcast stuff you wish they uncinate podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary well we're going to taught in seminary well we're going to taught in seminary well we're going to jump into the lightning round that part jump into the lightning round that part jump into the lightning round that part of the episode where we ask similar of the episode where we ask similar of the episode where we ask similar questions everybody that's on the show questions everybody that's on the show questions everybody that's on the show so excited to have pastor justin with us so excited to have pastor justin with us so excited to have pastor justin with us today from venue church a great Church today from venue church a great Church today from venue church a great Church you really should be following them you really should be following them you really should be following them they're doing a great job you know they're doing a great job you know they're doing a great job you know Justin what is an online resource you're Justin what is an online resource you're Justin what is an online resource you're using these days that's helping you in using these days that's helping you in using these days that's helping you in your ministry actually it would be like your ministry actually it would be like your ministry actually it would be like you guys I've been listening to you guys you guys I've been listening to you guys you guys I've been listening to you guys a lot oh no now I got to send you 20 a lot oh no now I got to send you 20 a lot oh no now I got to send you 20 bucks you do that a half I appreciate bucks you do that a half I appreciate bucks you do that a half I appreciate that I mean just I mean I just I was that I mean just I mean I just I was that I mean just I mean I just I was listening to one of y'all that you had listening to one of y'all that you had listening to one of y'all that you had within the executive pastor at mosaic within the executive pastor at mosaic within the executive pastor at mosaic church which was great enjoy listening church which was great enjoy listening church which was great enjoy listening to that one on YouTube is a great to that one on YouTube is a great to that one on YouTube is a great resource for any pastor anything you're

resource for any pastor anything you're resource for any pastor anything you're looking for leadership wise or sure yeah looking for leadership wise or sure yeah looking for leadership wise or sure yeah and and blogs and you know devotional and and blogs and you know devotional and and blogs and you know devotional stuff like that I mean I'm kind of all stuff like that I mean I'm kind of all stuff like that I mean I'm kind of all over the place but I was honestly say over the place but I was honestly say over the place but I was honestly say YouTube is my one of my biggest biggest YouTube is my one of my biggest biggest YouTube is my one of my biggest biggest to to to that's cool that's very good what's the that's cool that's very good what's the that's cool that's very good what's the book you've read in the last I don't book you've read in the last I don't book you've read in the last I don't know maybe six months to a year that's know maybe six months to a year that's know maybe six months to a year that's shaping your thinking or ministry yeah shaping your thinking or ministry yeah shaping your thinking or ministry yeah so how to win friends and influence so how to win friends and influence so how to win friends and influence people by dale carnegie i read that people by dale carnegie i read that people by dale carnegie i read that about probably a couple months ago and about probably a couple months ago and about probably a couple months ago and it was actually i saw it on a website it was actually i saw it on a website it was actually i saw it on a website that it was recommended by an executive that it was recommended by an executive that it was recommended by an executive faster and it's one of those books like faster and it's one of those books like faster and it's one of those books like you read books and you know it kind of you read books and you know it kind of you read books and you know it kind of reaffirms what you know but this book reaffirms what you know but this book reaffirms what you know but this book challenged my thinking like on how I be challenged my thinking like on how I be challenged my thinking like on how I be lead and i would highly recommend it for lead and i would highly recommend it for lead and i would highly recommend it for any leader it's just a great book that any leader it's just a great book that any leader it's just a great book that we've been around for a long time and i we've been around for a long time and i we've been around for a long time and i would highly recommend it yeah that's a would highly recommend it yeah that's a would highly recommend it yeah that's a classic that really is one of those you classic that really is one of those you classic that really is one of those you know you if you haven't read it you know you if you haven't read it you know you if you haven't read it you really should for sure it's a great book really should for sure it's a great book really should for sure it's a great book for sure what's another minister you're for sure what's another minister you're for sure what's another minister you're looking to these days that's that's you looking to these days that's that's you looking to these days that's that's you know kind of inspiring you allamanda know kind of inspiring you allamanda know kind of inspiring you allamanda there's so many but but just to take a there's so many but but just to take a there's so many but but just to take a few bethel church and reading elevation few bethel church and reading elevation few bethel church and reading elevation church in charlotte free chapel free church in charlotte free chapel free church in charlotte free chapel free chapel pastor Jentezen Franklin I chapel pastor Jentezen Franklin I chapel pastor Jentezen Franklin I actually was a member there at one point actually was a member there at one point actually was a member there at one point so it just naturally yeah great great so it just naturally yeah great great so it just naturally yeah great great churches that we try to draw a little churches that we try to draw a little churches that we try to draw a little bit from different churches you know bit from different churches you know bit from different churches you know that fits our vision so those churches

that fits our vision so those churches that fits our vision so those churches would be ones that I constantly follow would be ones that I constantly follow would be ones that I constantly follow and look at and so yeah great it's a and look at and so yeah great it's a and look at and so yeah great it's a great churches if you could get 15 great churches if you could get 15 great churches if you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive who would minutes with any leader alive who would minutes with any leader alive who would you want to get that with and why yeah you want to get that with and why yeah you want to get that with and why yeah that's an interesting question says that that's an interesting question says that that's an interesting question says that I think alive would be John Bevere and I think alive would be John Bevere and I think alive would be John Bevere and the reason I say him is because I think the reason I say him is because I think the reason I say him is because I think he has a great spiritual and practical he has a great spiritual and practical he has a great spiritual and practical leadership like that combined together leadership like that combined together leadership like that combined together he just brings it so well some of the he just brings it so well some of the he just brings it so well some of the books that have changed my life or his books that have changed my life or his books that have changed my life or his books honors reward the bait of satan books honors reward the bait of satan books honors reward the bait of satan changed changed my life so just just to changed changed my life so just just to changed changed my life so just just to pick his brain and even his wife lisa i pick his brain and even his wife lisa i pick his brain and even his wife lisa i mean they just write books like that mean they just write books like that mean they just write books like that just really shake your thinking change just really shake your thinking change just really shake your thinking change your what you think but i would say your what you think but i would say your what you think but i would say myles munroe dr. massimo but he's not myles munroe dr. massimo but he's not myles munroe dr. massimo but he's not here with his forehead yeah alright well here with his forehead yeah alright well here with his forehead yeah alright well I know be an executive pastor at a I know be an executive pastor at a I know be an executive pastor at a growing churches demanding role when you growing churches demanding role when you growing churches demanding role when you just start trying to kick back relax just start trying to kick back relax just start trying to kick back relax have some fun what have some fun what have some fun what what do you do for fun oh man I'm like what do you do for fun oh man I'm like what do you do for fun oh man I'm like I'm like outside any chance I can get it I'm like outside any chance I can get it I'm like outside any chance I can get it no I'm a Marine so you know I like to be no I'm a Marine so you know I like to be no I'm a Marine so you know I like to be outside hiking mountain biking off-road outside hiking mountain biking off-road outside hiking mountain biking off-road in whatever you name it I'm out there in whatever you name it I'm out there in whatever you name it I'm out there you know doing it just like to be out in you know doing it just like to be out in you know doing it just like to be out in the wilderness I think you know Jesus the wilderness I think you know Jesus the wilderness I think you know Jesus just went out there to pray for a reason just went out there to pray for a reason just went out there to pray for a reason so like I just get my quiet time get to so like I just get my quiet time get to so like I just get my quiet time get to really I do I go out and hiking in the really I do I go out and hiking in the really I do I go out and hiking in the middle of mountain and luckily I'm in middle of mountain and luckily I'm in middle of mountain and luckily I'm in chatham is it so I'm able to do that and chatham is it so I'm able to do that and chatham is it so I'm able to do that and just get in the word and just kind of just get in the word and just kind of just get in the word and just kind of relax you know yeah that's very cool

relax you know yeah that's very cool relax you know yeah that's very cool well Justin I really appreciate you well Justin I really appreciate you well Justin I really appreciate you being on the show today if people want being on the show today if people want being on the show today if people want to get in touch with the church or with to get in touch with the church or with to get in touch with the church or with you what's the best way for them to do you what's the best way for them to do you what's the best way for them to do that yeah you can go to venue church com that yeah you can go to venue church com that yeah you can go to venue church com if you want to get in touch with me if you want to get in touch with me if you want to get in touch with me specifically my information is on the specifically my information is on the specifically my information is on the website all our stats information is on website all our stats information is on website all our stats information is on the websites that are very easy to get the websites that are very easy to get the websites that are very easy to get in touch with us and yeah anything we in touch with us and yeah anything we in touch with us and yeah anything we could do to help but reach out we're could do to help but reach out we're could do to help but reach out we're open to helping anybody because we're open to helping anybody because we're open to helping anybody because we're all in this together nice absolutely all in this together nice absolutely all in this together nice absolutely will Justin I appreciate you being on will Justin I appreciate you being on will Justin I appreciate you being on the show today thanks so much for taking the show today thanks so much for taking the show today thanks so much for taking your time to be with it thank you so your time to be with it thank you so your time to be with it thank you so much for having thank you for tuning in much for having thank you for tuning in much for having thank you for tuning in to this week's unsung neri podcast don't to this week's unsung neri podcast don't to this week's unsung neri podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out be shy we'd love to connect check out be shy we'd love to connect check out unfeminine inbox you can sign up at unfeminine inbox you can sign up at unfeminine inbox you can sign up at unsummon re calm and Wilson you helpful unsummon re calm and Wilson you helpful unsummon re calm and Wilson you helpful training resources every week plus training resources every week plus training resources every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our you'll gain immediate access to our you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive members area with tons of exclusive members area with tons of exclusive members area with tons of resources you can use connect with rich resources you can use connect with rich resources you can use connect with rich on twitter add rich birch or through on twitter add rich birch or through on twitter add rich birch or through email rich a ton seminary com don't email rich a ton seminary com don't email rich a ton seminary com don't forget to check out the show notes for forget to check out the show notes for forget to check out the show notes for this episode a ton seminary com it this episode a ton seminary com it this episode a ton seminary com it includes links to what we talked about includes links to what we talked about includes links to what we talked about today and more leave a comment we'd love today and more leave a comment we'd love today and more leave a comment we'd love to hear from you did you enjoy today's to hear from you did you enjoy today's to hear from you did you enjoy today's up so drop by itunes and leave a review up so drop by itunes and leave a review up so drop by itunes and leave a review thanks again for tuning into this week thanks again for tuning into this week thanks again for tuning into this week on seminary podcast join us next week on seminary podcast join us next week on seminary podcast join us next week when we'll learn more stuff we wish they when we'll learn more stuff we wish they when we'll learn more stuff we wish they taught in seminary taught in seminary taught in seminary [Music]