Jim Pourteau on Moving Beyond Positional Influence at Your Church

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was started in 2011 it's fast-growing church last year they it's fast-growing church last year they it's fast-growing church last year they grew up believed by thirty four percent grew up believed by thirty four percent grew up believed by thirty four percent which is incredible coming in you're not which is incredible coming in you're not which is incredible coming in you're not about 1600 you know folks or so there about 1600 you know folks or so there about 1600 you know folks or so there are three campuses about to be for my are three campuses about to be for my are three campuses about to be for my gym he's the you know as an executive gym he's the you know as an executive gym he's the you know as an executive coach is a part of kind of the John coach is a part of kind of the John coach is a part of kind of the John Maxwell team he's a great guy also a Maxwell team he's a great guy also a Maxwell team he's a great guy also a campus pastor he does it all Jim we're campus pastor he does it all Jim we're campus pastor he does it all Jim we're so glad that you're with us on the show so glad that you're with us on the show so glad that you're with us on the show today why do you tell us about your role today why do you tell us about your role today why do you tell us about your role there at destination church hey rich there at destination church hey rich there at destination church hey rich thanks so much for let me be here today thanks so much for let me be here today thanks so much for let me be here today and I gotta tell you guys are doing a and I gotta tell you guys are doing a and I gotta tell you guys are doing a phenomenal work there the way you're phenomenal work there the way you're phenomenal work there the way you're you're just encouraging and lifting up you're just encouraging and lifting up you're just encouraging and lifting up the body and helping uh pastors get a the body and helping uh pastors get a the body and helping uh pastors get a little better and honing their skills so little better and honing their skills so little better and honing their skills so it really matters thanks a lot it really matters thanks a lot it really matters thanks a lot appreciate it I really appreciate that appreciate it I really appreciate that appreciate it I really appreciate that Jim thank you yeah but well you know uh Jim thank you yeah but well you know uh Jim thank you yeah but well you know uh I started as a volunteer at destination I started as a volunteer at destination I started as a volunteer at destination church so I came in one day and I wasn't

church so I came in one day and I wasn't church so I came in one day and I wasn't looking for position I was looking for a looking for position I was looking for a looking for position I was looking for a place to worship and I walked in and I place to worship and I walked in and I place to worship and I walked in and I just fell in love with the vision of the just fell in love with the vision of the just fell in love with the vision of the church and they were talking about church and they were talking about church and they were talking about pastor brian or lead pastor said just to pastor brian or lead pastor said just to pastor brian or lead pastor said just to summarize it he said and she said he summarize it he said and she said he summarize it he said and she said he said we're never going to be a cruise said we're never going to be a cruise said we're never going to be a cruise ship we're going to be a fishing vessel ship we're going to be a fishing vessel ship we're going to be a fishing vessel and he said as people come in here i and he said as people come in here i and he said as people come in here i just want you to know that it's going to just want you to know that it's going to just want you to know that it's going to stink because fishing boat stink and stink because fishing boat stink and stink because fishing boat stink and everybody on a fishing boat works and everybody on a fishing boat works and everybody on a fishing boat works and it's not as although it may be it's not as although it may be it's not as although it may be entertaining at times it's not about entertaining at times it's not about entertaining at times it's not about entertaining and i've been a pastor for entertaining and i've been a pastor for entertaining and i've been a pastor for i've been a pastor for a long time and i've been a pastor for a long time and i've been a pastor for a long time and and it's a man i can just resound with and it's a man i can just resound with and it's a man i can just resound with this and so I started volunteering by this and so I started volunteering by this and so I started volunteering by setting up in the kids a ministry setting up in the kids a ministry setting up in the kids a ministry because we're a portable church and all because we're a portable church and all because we're a portable church and all of our campuses and and of our campuses and and of our campuses and and and I don't know anything about all that and I don't know anything about all that and I don't know anything about all that stuff but they took me in and I did that stuff but they took me in and I did that stuff but they took me in and I did that next thing you know we just begin to next thing you know we just begin to next thing you know we just begin to work together and with my graph work together and with my graph work together and with my graph background and leadership development as background and leadership development as background and leadership development as part of John Maxwell's team and stuff part of John Maxwell's team and stuff part of John Maxwell's team and stuff like that just met started talking he like that just met started talking he like that just met started talking he said can you come in and consult started said can you come in and consult started said can you come in and consult started doing some stuff just helping them doing some stuff just helping them doing some stuff just helping them didn't came on part time and the next didn't came on part time and the next didn't came on part time and the next thing you know I was it was like the thing you know I was it was like the thing you know I was it was like the Borg I was assimilated into the face and Borg I was assimilated into the face and Borg I was assimilated into the face and I got to tell you it's been the most I got to tell you it's been the most I got to tell you it's been the most phenomenal and I mean I'm coming up on phenomenal and I mean I'm coming up on phenomenal and I mean I'm coming up on my 28th year of ministry full-time my 28th year of ministry full-time my 28th year of ministry full-time ministry it has been the most phenomenal ministry it has been the most phenomenal ministry it has been the most phenomenal place culture wise respect wise powerful place culture wise respect wise powerful place culture wise respect wise powerful to be a part of this church in this to be a part of this church in this to be a part of this church in this staff and with very young staff and so staff and with very young staff and so staff and with very young staff and so I'm the old guy on staff by dice and and I'm the old guy on staff by dice and and I'm the old guy on staff by dice and and but it's just been a powerful thing so I but it's just been a powerful thing so I but it's just been a powerful thing so I came in kind of as a consultant now as came in kind of as a consultant now as came in kind of as a consultant now as the executive pastor I have some typical the executive pastor I have some typical the executive pastor I have some typical executive pastor roles which is oversee executive pastor roles which is oversee executive pastor roles which is oversee our organization making sure we're our organization making sure we're our organization making sure we're staying in the lanes between the vision staying in the lanes between the vision staying in the lanes between the vision and the values I'm part of the executive

and the values I'm part of the executive and the values I'm part of the executive team so we are kind of the inner circle team so we are kind of the inner circle team so we are kind of the inner circle for Brian and and so he can sound off for Brian and and so he can sound off for Brian and and so he can sound off things and have a safe place to detest things and have a safe place to detest things and have a safe place to detest stuff and talk about things and I'm stuff and talk about things and I'm stuff and talk about things and I'm responsible for our staff and hiring and responsible for our staff and hiring and responsible for our staff and hiring and things like that but but one of my key things like that but but one of my key things like that but but one of my key roles is how we develop our leadership roles is how we develop our leadership roles is how we develop our leadership culture and that means how our folks are culture and that means how our folks are culture and that means how our folks are on a path or a process of becoming on a path or a process of becoming on a path or a process of becoming better leaders so we can actually lead better leaders so we can actually lead better leaders so we can actually lead the people that God brings us and so the people that God brings us and so the people that God brings us and so that takes up quite a bit of of what I that takes up quite a bit of of what I that takes up quite a bit of of what I get to do there and in the organization get to do there and in the organization get to do there and in the organization you know we're a strange church in a lot you know we're a strange church in a lot you know we're a strange church in a lot of ways and that is that and I won't of ways and that is that and I won't of ways and that is that and I won't even go into that right right be even go into that right right be even go into that right right be recorded but but we're probably one of recorded but but we're probably one of recorded but but we're probably one of the few churches if not the only Church the few churches if not the only Church the few churches if not the only Church in the United States that owns its own in the United States that owns its own in the United States that owns its own movie theater hmm and we actually show movie theater hmm and we actually show movie theater hmm and we actually show regular movies they are like you know regular movies they are like you know regular movies they are like you know not all the real bad ones but but but not all the real bad ones but but but not all the real bad ones but but but but nevertheless we show movies there is but nevertheless we show movies there is but nevertheless we show movies there is an outreach to the community and we seen an outreach to the community and we seen an outreach to the community and we seen scores of families come through our scores of families come through our scores of families come through our movie theater so I oversee that as well movie theater so I oversee that as well movie theater so I oversee that as well wow so now do you in the movie theater wow so now do you in the movie theater wow so now do you in the movie theater you owned you then set up tear down on you owned you then set up tear down on you owned you then set up tear down on Sunday we do so even though we own the Sunday we do so even though we own the Sunday we do so even though we own the movie theater we're still a portable movie theater we're still a portable movie theater we're still a portable church so on Sunday we do on this is our church so on Sunday we do on this is our church so on Sunday we do on this is our crossings campus we have a nine o'clock crossings campus we have a nine o'clock crossings campus we have a nine o'clock an eleven o'clock and then a 5pm service an eleven o'clock and then a 5pm service an eleven o'clock and then a 5pm service there so we've negotiated well we have a there so we've negotiated well we have a there so we've negotiated well we have a connection you know so we negotiated to connection you know so we negotiated to connection you know so we negotiated to have the movies a little bit later the have the movies a little bit later the have the movies a little bit later the movies don't start till about seven movies don't start till about seven movies don't start till about seven there so we're there so we're there so we're to do our mornings and then our evening to do our mornings and then our evening to do our mornings and then our evening service but I'd have to all setup and service but I'd have to all setup and service but I'd have to all setup and teardown full band children everything teardown full band children everything teardown full band children everything it's it's it's a lot of work but we it's it's it's a lot of work but we it's it's it's a lot of work but we pretty much knocked the system out it pretty much knocked the system out it pretty much knocked the system out it happens now alright so now this isn't

happens now alright so now this isn't happens now alright so now this isn't what we were going to talk about but I what we were going to talk about but I what we were going to talk about but I just don't we understand that for a just don't we understand that for a just don't we understand that for a second that seems like the worst of both second that seems like the worst of both second that seems like the worst of both worlds you're owning a building and then worlds you're owning a building and then worlds you're owning a building and then you're also setting up give me the heart you're also setting up give me the heart you're also setting up give me the heart behind that why own a movie theater well behind that why own a movie theater well behind that why own a movie theater well part of it started is that we said well part of it started is that we said well part of it started is that we said well we're already in church we're already a we're already in church we're already a we're already in church we're already a church in a movie theater and you know church in a movie theater and you know church in a movie theater and you know I'm regal there's probably some guys I'm regal there's probably some guys I'm regal there's probably some guys listening that are part of the movie listening that are part of the movie listening that are part of the movie theater churches and so regal does a theater churches and so regal does a theater churches and so regal does a great job working with them and I have great job working with them and I have great job working with them and I have nothing bad to say about regal what's nothing bad to say about regal what's nothing bad to say about regal what's with amazing relationships there and so with amazing relationships there and so with amazing relationships there and so we thought about it and you know our we thought about it and you know our we thought about it and you know our church is in the last four and a half church is in the last four and a half church is in the last four and a half years we've seen over 18 people 18 years we've seen over 18 people 18 years we've seen over 18 people 18 hundred people accept Christ we're hundred people accept Christ we're hundred people accept Christ we're extremely evangelical in our outreach extremely evangelical in our outreach extremely evangelical in our outreach although we are focused on discipleship although we are focused on discipleship although we are focused on discipleship and our small groups and so we actually and our small groups and so we actually and our small groups and so we actually was Brian and one of our other campus was Brian and one of our other campus was Brian and one of our other campus pastors were having coffee one day and pastors were having coffee one day and pastors were having coffee one day and they said you know how come why couldn't they said you know how come why couldn't they said you know how come why couldn't we just start our own movie theater one we just start our own movie theater one we just start our own movie theater one day I mean we're in there and then the day I mean we're in there and then the day I mean we're in there and then the movie theater would pay for the church movie theater would pay for the church movie theater would pay for the church and so you wouldn't have to worry about and so you wouldn't have to worry about and so you wouldn't have to worry about anything and we could reach the anything and we could reach the anything and we could reach the community and so it just was a dream and community and so it just was a dream and community and so it just was a dream and one day the local movie theater was a one day the local movie theater was a one day the local movie theater was a dollar theater went out of business I dollar theater went out of business I dollar theater went out of business I think that the only people attending or think that the only people attending or think that the only people attending or going to that were rats and spiders at going to that were rats and spiders at going to that were rats and spiders at that point and and we went in there was that point and and we went in there was that point and and we went in there was dilapidated it was torn down but we're dilapidated it was torn down but we're dilapidated it was torn down but we're ever negotiate we spent about three ever negotiate we spent about three ever negotiate we spent about three hundred thousand dollars going in there hundred thousand dollars going in there hundred thousand dollars going in there renovating it bringing it up to modern renovating it bringing it up to modern renovating it bringing it up to modern standards and opened it sa as a five standards and opened it sa as a five standards and opened it sa as a five dollar movie theater so you know the dollar movie theater so you know the dollar movie theater so you know the regular movies there is about fourteen regular movies there is about fourteen regular movies there is about fourteen thirteen dollars and we just we said thirteen dollars and we just we said thirteen dollars and we just we said well how can we help a family out to be well how can we help a family out to be well how can we help a family out to be a part of this as family entertainment a part of this as family entertainment a part of this as family entertainment and so that's what happened we started

and so that's what happened we started and so that's what happened we started in that arena that actually the movie in that arena that actually the movie in that arena that actually the movie studios made us go up to 750 but we studios made us go up to 750 but we studios made us go up to 750 but we still kept it down and really what you still kept it down and really what you still kept it down and really what you see is this community of people that see is this community of people that see is this community of people that come in and go away what's going on here come in and go away what's going on here come in and go away what's going on here and this is a church that's the weirdest and this is a church that's the weirdest and this is a church that's the weirdest thing I ever heard but you know rich let thing I ever heard but you know rich let thing I ever heard but you know rich let me be clear about this you know we're me be clear about this you know we're me be clear about this you know we're there's nothing wrong with with one be there's nothing wrong with with one be there's nothing wrong with with one be clear there's nothing wrong with a clear there's nothing wrong with a clear there's nothing wrong with a lateral growth and what I mean by that lateral growth and what I mean by that lateral growth and what I mean by that is someone goes from another one church is someone goes from another one church is someone goes from another one church to another church because they have more to another church because they have more to another church because they have more Fidel Fidel Fidel the vision of the new church or whatever the vision of the new church or whatever the vision of the new church or whatever I no problem with that but our focus a I no problem with that but our focus a I no problem with that but our focus a hundred percent is is on reaching people hundred percent is is on reaching people hundred percent is is on reaching people that are that are uncharged are in our that are that are uncharged are in our that are that are uncharged are in our mission is to start churches who can mission is to start churches who can mission is to start churches who can help people find their destination in help people find their destination in help people find their destination in Christ and so we're pushing that and Christ and so we're pushing that and Christ and so we're pushing that and it's just part of our vision it is it's just part of our vision it is it's just part of our vision it is strange it is weird in fact fasters strange it is weird in fact fasters strange it is weird in fact fasters though what are you feeling exactly though what are you feeling exactly though what are you feeling exactly that's who we are absolutely well I hope that's who we are absolutely well I hope that's who we are absolutely well I hope you know even just in this little bit of you know even just in this little bit of you know even just in this little bit of beginning you know why you've already beginning you know why you've already beginning you know why you've already heard why you should be listening in to heard why you should be listening in to heard why you should be listening in to destination this is an innovative church destination this is an innovative church destination this is an innovative church that's doing some really cool stuff that's doing some really cool stuff that's doing some really cool stuff you're going to want to learn about it you're going to want to learn about it you're going to want to learn about it now I want to talk a little bit about now I want to talk a little bit about now I want to talk a little bit about your journey the thing it's fascinating your journey the thing it's fascinating your journey the thing it's fascinating to me you know you showed up just as a to me you know you showed up just as a to me you know you showed up just as a guy and I say that in air quotes just as guy and I say that in air quotes just as guy and I say that in air quotes just as a guy who was showing up you start out a guy who was showing up you start out a guy who was showing up you start out helping out you know effect they somehow helping out you know effect they somehow helping out you know effect they somehow go from a guy helping set up in kids go from a guy helping set up in kids go from a guy helping set up in kids ministry to being a consultant with the ministry to being a consultant with the ministry to being a consultant with the church eventually the executive pastor church eventually the executive pastor church eventually the executive pastor you've kind of seen the entire spectrum you've kind of seen the entire spectrum you've kind of seen the entire spectrum there of leadership it seems like you there of leadership it seems like you there of leadership it seems like you were kind of exerting amount of were kind of exerting amount of were kind of exerting amount of influence but they didn't give you a influence but they didn't give you a influence but they didn't give you a title how does that work out and it

title how does that work out and it title how does that work out and it seems like that may be an area that seems like that may be an area that seems like that may be an area that you've got some passion for let's talk you've got some passion for let's talk you've got some passion for let's talk about that well I i truly do and let me about that well I i truly do and let me about that well I i truly do and let me be clear when I when I got involved in be clear when I when I got involved in be clear when I when I got involved in serving at the church my focus and heart serving at the church my focus and heart serving at the church my focus and heart was just to serve the church you know I was just to serve the church you know I was just to serve the church you know I wanted to be a part of the vision I had wanted to be a part of the vision I had wanted to be a part of the vision I had fidelity with it I said I can I can be a fidelity with it I said I can I can be a fidelity with it I said I can I can be a part of this and so I started serving part of this and so I started serving part of this and so I started serving but you know you know God calls people but you know you know God calls people but you know you know God calls people he calls us for influence that's why he calls us for influence that's why he calls us for influence that's why we're called song light right salt we're called song light right salt we're called song light right salt influences light influences it it influences light influences it it influences light influences it it doesn't necessarily change it it doesn't necessarily change it it doesn't necessarily change it it influences it and so you know so as I influences it and so you know so as I influences it and so you know so as I got to be a part of that the gifts that got to be a part of that the gifts that got to be a part of that the gifts that God has given me I guess begin to be God has given me I guess begin to be God has given me I guess begin to be evident in fact all of us know that if evident in fact all of us know that if evident in fact all of us know that if you go into a room and you look around a you go into a room and you look around a you go into a room and you look around a room of a bunch of people at a party or room of a bunch of people at a party or room of a bunch of people at a party or gathering you can if you just Pan the gathering you can if you just Pan the gathering you can if you just Pan the room you'll eventually begin to see room you'll eventually begin to see room you'll eventually begin to see those people who begin to emerge with those people who begin to emerge with those people who begin to emerge with leadership giftings you know you can leadership giftings you know you can leadership giftings you know you can learn those things but there are some learn those things but there are some learn those things but there are some people that have that and I think that people that have that and I think that people that have that and I think that God just has blessed me in an area of God just has blessed me in an area of God just has blessed me in an area of navigation and leadership don't get me navigation and leadership don't get me navigation and leadership don't get me wrong I spend every morning i'm up at wrong I spend every morning i'm up at wrong I spend every morning i'm up at about 5 530 i'm reading something about about 5 530 i'm reading something about about 5 530 i'm reading something about leadership i want to be the best I can leadership i want to be the best I can leadership i want to be the best I can be so I do what I can but in coming into be so I do what I can but in coming into be so I do what I can but in coming into that place in surfing I went met with that place in surfing I went met with that place in surfing I went met with with Brian I made an appointment I just with Brian I made an appointment I just with Brian I made an appointment I just said hey I want to introduce myself I said hey I want to introduce myself I said hey I want to introduce myself I will do it in this pot will do it in this pot will do it in this pot cast but but you know I had burnt out in cast but but you know I had burnt out in cast but but you know I had burnt out in ministry I was tired of being what ministry I was tired of being what ministry I was tired of being what ministry or what people expected ministry or what people expected ministry or what people expected ministry to be I just couldn't live up ministry to be I just couldn't live up ministry to be I just couldn't live up to folks and and it quit for a little to folks and and it quit for a little to folks and and it quit for a little while and so this was a time of respite while and so this was a time of respite while and so this was a time of respite for me and I remember telling Brian I for me and I remember telling Brian I for me and I remember telling Brian I have no desire to be a pastor i wanna i

have no desire to be a pastor i wanna i have no desire to be a pastor i wanna i am not i don't want to preach I just I am not i don't want to preach I just I am not i don't want to preach I just I just want to help you guys and so with just want to help you guys and so with just want to help you guys and so with that aspect he said well come on and that aspect he said well come on and that aspect he said well come on and start talking and I had no title nothing start talking and I had no title nothing start talking and I had no title nothing like that i just walked in but you know like that i just walked in but you know like that i just walked in but you know people all the time to say hey Jim how people all the time to say hey Jim how people all the time to say hey Jim how do you value people and one of the do you value people and one of the do you value people and one of the things I'll say is if you value people things I'll say is if you value people things I'll say is if you value people they will know they're valuable he said they will know they're valuable he said they will know they're valuable he said how do you love people if you love how do you love people if you love how do you love people if you love people they will know you're there love people they will know you're there love people they will know you're there love and and I guess that in what I was doing and and I guess that in what I was doing and and I guess that in what I was doing and how his ministry there and in just and how his ministry there and in just and how his ministry there and in just serving it begin to show and and and and serving it begin to show and and and and serving it begin to show and and and and the influence begin to happen and you the influence begin to happen and you the influence begin to happen and you know so folks we can ask me questions or know so folks we can ask me questions or know so folks we can ask me questions or our people would would solicit our people would would solicit our people would would solicit information and and brian is a smart guy information and and brian is a smart guy information and and brian is a smart guy just a and what i mean by that not by just a and what i mean by that not by just a and what i mean by that not by choosing me he just has a sense of faith choosing me he just has a sense of faith choosing me he just has a sense of faith and discernment about him he chooses and discernment about him he chooses and discernment about him he chooses well he looks well and and one day brian well he looks well and and one day brian well he looks well and and one day brian just grabbed me he said you know can you just grabbed me he said you know can you just grabbed me he said you know can you help us out a little bit and so it moves help us out a little bit and so it moves help us out a little bit and so it moves into the area of what's really important into the area of what's really important into the area of what's really important for me and that is that you know a lot for me and that is that you know a lot for me and that is that you know a lot of times folks are waiting to do to get of times folks are waiting to do to get of times folks are waiting to do to get a position or a title before they a position or a title before they a position or a title before they actually do something you know if I had actually do something you know if I had actually do something you know if I had this I could do that right and you know this I could do that right and you know this I could do that right and you know it's funny Jesus changed the world and it's funny Jesus changed the world and it's funny Jesus changed the world and and the only people that gave him a and the only people that gave him a and the only people that gave him a title were well you know was was God title were well you know was was God title were well you know was was God really you know this is my son so to really you know this is my son so to really you know this is my son so to speak um but but he didn't he didn't speak um but but he didn't he didn't speak um but but he didn't he didn't leave from a title or anything like that leave from a title or anything like that leave from a title or anything like that so it's important that as I started so it's important that as I started so it's important that as I started doing things I just did it from doing things I just did it from doing things I just did it from influence that if you add value to influence that if you add value to influence that if you add value to people and help them follow and discover people and help them follow and discover people and help them follow and discover their dream they will follow and be a their dream they will follow and be a their dream they will follow and be a part of what you're doing now how are part of what you're doing now how are part of what you're doing now how are you kind of implementing that I'm you kind of implementing that I'm you kind of implementing that I'm assuming that's you know when you think

assuming that's you know when you think assuming that's you know when you think about your team you're hoping people about your team you're hoping people about your team you're hoping people will leave like that right that we're will leave like that right that we're will leave like that right that we're you know that it's not about titles not you know that it's not about titles not you know that it's not about titles not it's not necessarily about just this is it's not necessarily about just this is it's not necessarily about just this is where the box is on the chart how are where the box is on the chart how are where the box is on the chart how are you helping kind of you know cultivating you helping kind of you know cultivating you helping kind of you know cultivating that in your church yeah well one of the that in your church yeah well one of the that in your church yeah well one of the things is that we've had to bring a things is that we've had to bring a things is that we've had to bring a culture change of understanding what culture change of understanding what culture change of understanding what leadership is and and so in going into leadership is and and so in going into leadership is and and so in going into starting with our staff of talking starting with our staff of talking starting with our staff of talking hey guys let's not just delegate tasks hey guys let's not just delegate tasks hey guys let's not just delegate tasks let's not delegate as it were a position let's not delegate as it were a position let's not delegate as it were a position or a title in fact let's hold those for or a title in fact let's hold those for or a title in fact let's hold those for a minute in fact here's a funny part if a minute in fact here's a funny part if a minute in fact here's a funny part if you look at our business cards of every you look at our business cards of every you look at our business cards of every staff member at destination they don't staff member at destination they don't staff member at destination they don't have our title on it it just says Jim have our title on it it just says Jim have our title on it it just says Jim Porto destination church and that's Porto destination church and that's Porto destination church and that's because next week I might be doing because next week I might be doing because next week I might be doing children you never know how i right but children you never know how i right but children you never know how i right but but the truth is is that we had to but the truth is is that we had to but the truth is is that we had to establish a culture within our staff establish a culture within our staff establish a culture within our staff that understands this you don't lead by that understands this you don't lead by that understands this you don't lead by your title you lead by your influence as your title you lead by your influence as your title you lead by your influence as you build relationship as you help you build relationship as you help you build relationship as you help people discover their value in their people discover their value in their people discover their value in their dream and so as we begin to bring that dream and so as we begin to bring that dream and so as we begin to bring that and our staff begin to grab that vision and our staff begin to grab that vision and our staff begin to grab that vision that made a difference and then you have that made a difference and then you have that made a difference and then you have to you know you can't stop there you to you know you can't stop there you to you know you can't stop there you have to begin to move it through for have to begin to move it through for have to begin to move it through for lack of a better word the rank and file lack of a better word the rank and file lack of a better word the rank and file of people which is kind of contradictory of people which is kind of contradictory of people which is kind of contradictory leading by influence but people think as leading by influence but people think as leading by influence but people think as in hierarchy and so we begin to in hierarchy and so we begin to in hierarchy and so we begin to establish among our our dream team establish among our our dream team establish among our our dream team members of that it's not about your members of that it's not about your members of that it's not about your position you may I you know this is a position you may I you know this is a position you may I you know this is a person of seeing this area right now but person of seeing this area right now but person of seeing this area right now but but we want you as a team to contribute but we want you as a team to contribute but we want you as a team to contribute this isn't delegating tasks this isn't this isn't delegating tasks this isn't this isn't delegating tasks this isn't us telling everybody what to do you have us telling everybody what to do you have us telling everybody what to do you have a voice if you came in here two weeks a voice if you came in here two weeks a voice if you came in here two weeks ago as a cafe member we want you to be

ago as a cafe member we want you to be ago as a cafe member we want you to be able to share insight you've had just able to share insight you've had just able to share insight you've had just after two weeks of being with us because after two weeks of being with us because after two weeks of being with us because we don't know it all we don't see it all we don't know it all we don't see it all we don't know it all we don't see it all but together we sure see a heck of a lot but together we sure see a heck of a lot but together we sure see a heck of a lot more and so we've had to establish a more and so we've had to establish a more and so we've had to establish a culture of understanding that we lead by culture of understanding that we lead by culture of understanding that we lead by influenced not by title interesting now influenced not by title interesting now influenced not by title interesting now how it can have any put times where how it can have any put times where how it can have any put times where that's been kind of maybe bumped up that's been kind of maybe bumped up that's been kind of maybe bumped up against hey this hasn't worked very well against hey this hasn't worked very well against hey this hasn't worked very well or there's been some tension in that you or there's been some tension in that you or there's been some tension in that you give me this story that or is it open give me this story that or is it open give me this story that or is it open just rainbows and unicorns oh yeah one just rainbows and unicorns oh yeah one just rainbows and unicorns oh yeah one day we just snapped our fingers never I day we just snapped our fingers never I day we just snapped our fingers never I was like let's play the influence camp was like let's play the influence camp was like let's play the influence camp no we ran out of that kool-aid a long no we ran out of that kool-aid a long no we ran out of that kool-aid a long time ago basically what happens is we've time ago basically what happens is we've time ago basically what happens is we've run into a couple a couple of minds of run into a couple a couple of minds of run into a couple a couple of minds of thought that came in there one is that thought that came in there one is that thought that came in there one is that if you we had people that had come to if you we had people that had come to if you we had people that had come to our church who had been in previous our church who had been in previous our church who had been in previous churches and they had an expectation of churches and they had an expectation of churches and they had an expectation of pastoral leadership and so whatever pastoral leadership and so whatever pastoral leadership and so whatever church are in today if it works for you church are in today if it works for you church are in today if it works for you it works for us we just had a different it works for us we just had a different it works for us we just had a different view of pastors in our leadership we see view of pastors in our leadership we see view of pastors in our leadership we see the pastoral ministry as what Ephesians the pastoral ministry as what Ephesians the pastoral ministry as what Ephesians 4 11 says that's equipping the saints 4 11 says that's equipping the saints 4 11 says that's equipping the saints for the work of the ministry what for the work of the ministry what for the work of the ministry what a lot of people especially in the South a lot of people especially in the South a lot of people especially in the South you will find out come to as they expect you will find out come to as they expect you will find out come to as they expect their pastor to be the answer the the their pastor to be the answer the the their pastor to be the answer the the person who prays and preaches and does person who prays and preaches and does person who prays and preaches and does everything like that and and we just everything like that and and we just everything like that and and we just don't have the ability to do that how don't have the ability to do that how don't have the ability to do that how many people can I touch right and so and many people can I touch right and so and many people can I touch right and so and so we had people come up and even after so we had people come up and even after so we had people come up and even after we explained to them hey we want to we explained to them hey we want to we explained to them hey we want to empower you to be what Jesus has helped empower you to be what Jesus has helped empower you to be what Jesus has helped you to be we want to empower you to you to be we want to empower you to you to be we want to empower you to touch lies you know God wants to use you touch lies you know God wants to use you touch lies you know God wants to use you to pray for people to minister to people to pray for people to minister to people to pray for people to minister to people to give counsel and disciple they would

to give counsel and disciple they would to give counsel and disciple they would say yeah but you're the pastor exactly say yeah but you're the pastor exactly say yeah but you're the pastor exactly exactly and and you say yes I am thank exactly and and you say yes I am thank exactly and and you say yes I am thank you for that honor but you are the you for that honor but you are the you for that honor but you are the church you're the church and so it's church you're the church and so it's church you're the church and so it's taken some but I got to tell you you taken some but I got to tell you you taken some but I got to tell you you know if you stay true to your vision you know if you stay true to your vision you know if you stay true to your vision you you know vision leaks so you have to you know vision leaks so you have to you know vision leaks so you have to keep reiterating it every you know month keep reiterating it every you know month keep reiterating it every you know month every few days you got to talk about it every few days you got to talk about it every few days you got to talk about it you got to represent it you've got to you got to represent it you've got to you got to represent it you've got to demonstrate it that means when we had to demonstrate it that means when we had to demonstrate it that means when we had to do stuff we could just be telling people do stuff we could just be telling people do stuff we could just be telling people what to do we had to solicit information what to do we had to solicit information what to do we had to solicit information you say well you're a consensus leader you say well you're a consensus leader you say well you're a consensus leader no by no means we're team leadership we no by no means we're team leadership we no by no means we're team leadership we just don't believe we know it all so as just don't believe we know it all so as just don't believe we know it all so as these people resisted and let me be these people resisted and let me be these people resisted and let me be clear about this too rich we had a clear about this too rich we had a clear about this too rich we had a couple staff members that struggled with couple staff members that struggled with couple staff members that struggled with it because they came from a traditional it because they came from a traditional it because they came from a traditional background of saying I'm supposed to be background of saying I'm supposed to be background of saying I'm supposed to be the answer right and you know what once the answer right and you know what once the answer right and you know what once they grab this this is cool once they they grab this this is cool once they they grab this this is cool once they were able to grab the fact that they were able to grab the fact that they were able to grab the fact that they didn't have to be the answer that they didn't have to be the answer that they didn't have to be the answer that they didn't have to know all the questions didn't have to know all the questions didn't have to know all the questions that they didn't have to meet everyone's that they didn't have to meet everyone's that they didn't have to meet everyone's needs but that they could build a team needs but that they could build a team needs but that they could build a team and equip people to do what the Bible and equip people to do what the Bible and equip people to do what the Bible the New Testament talks about doing they the New Testament talks about doing they the New Testament talks about doing they went from being exhausted too excited went from being exhausted too excited went from being exhausted too excited absolutely now how much of you know absolutely now how much of you know absolutely now how much of you know would you say this kind of team approach would you say this kind of team approach would you say this kind of team approach that you're articulating here how much that you're articulating here how much that you're articulating here how much of it you know do you believe that might of it you know do you believe that might of it you know do you believe that might be a part of what God is using to help be a part of what God is using to help be a part of what God is using to help grow your church because the part of grow your church because the part of grow your church because the part of what I hear you talking a part of what I what I hear you talking a part of what I what I hear you talking a part of what I think some church leaders miss is they think some church leaders miss is they think some church leaders miss is they want to be the answer to everything so want to be the answer to everything so want to be the answer to everything so they become a ball like I know I can do they become a ball like I know I can do they become a ball like I know I can do that I I kind of subtly force everything that I I kind of subtly force everything that I I kind of subtly force everything to come through me and not empower to come through me and not empower to come through me and not empower people and so that will actually slow

people and so that will actually slow people and so that will actually slow down the growth of our church tell me down the growth of our church tell me down the growth of our church tell me about you know how you feel like this about you know how you feel like this about you know how you feel like this kind of team approach how that relates kind of team approach how that relates kind of team approach how that relates to the growth you're seeing a to the growth you're seeing a to the growth you're seeing a destination absolutely you know and one destination absolutely you know and one destination absolutely you know and one of the things when we're bringing of the things when we're bringing of the things when we're bringing leadership in or before we hire someone leadership in or before we hire someone leadership in or before we hire someone is we're talking to them about who they is we're talking to them about who they is we're talking to them about who they are we want to make sure that they are we want to make sure that they are we want to make sure that they understand that they've been fearfully understand that they've been fearfully understand that they've been fearfully wonderfully created in the image of the wonderfully created in the image of the wonderfully created in the image of the Lord and that they do adds more value to Lord and that they do adds more value to Lord and that they do adds more value to them you see and I think that's them you see and I think that's them you see and I think that's important rich because a lot of in the important rich because a lot of in the important rich because a lot of in the society we live in and and where we live society we live in and and where we live society we live in and and where we live in today a lot of times people equate in today a lot of times people equate in today a lot of times people equate their value on their ability to do their value on their ability to do their value on their ability to do something on their successes based on something on their successes based on something on their successes based on what other people around them and we what other people around them and we what other people around them and we want you to know that no matter who you want you to know that no matter who you want you to know that no matter who you are God you cannot be a tenant are God you cannot be a tenant are God you cannot be a tenant everything your attend somewhere so everything your attend somewhere so everything your attend somewhere so we're going to find the place that you we're going to find the place that you we're going to find the place that you could be a ten out we're going to find could be a ten out we're going to find could be a ten out we're going to find the place where you can serve and thrive the place where you can serve and thrive the place where you can serve and thrive in what God has for you now we're not in what God has for you now we're not in what God has for you now we're not we're not unrealistic in it so you know we're not unrealistic in it so you know we're not unrealistic in it so you know the Bible says that God puts some over the Bible says that God puts some over the Bible says that God puts some over five or ten and I'm paraphrasing you five or ten and I'm paraphrasing you five or ten and I'm paraphrasing you know but one hundred or a thousand god know but one hundred or a thousand god know but one hundred or a thousand god equips people for different ways we have equips people for different ways we have equips people for different ways we have to be wise about that but the first to be wise about that but the first to be wise about that but the first thing we want people to know is that thing we want people to know is that thing we want people to know is that that it's not what you do that's going that it's not what you do that's going that it's not what you do that's going to make you any better or any worse to make you any better or any worse to make you any better or any worse you're good just like you are the second you're good just like you are the second you're good just like you are the second thing that we try to do with people is thing that we try to do with people is thing that we try to do with people is let them understand this is this is that let them understand this is this is that let them understand this is this is that together we are better and if you can together we are better and if you can together we are better and if you can release that and understand that release that and understand that release that and understand that together we are better now you got to together we are better now you got to together we are better now you got to say it a lot right because here's here's say it a lot right because here's here's say it a lot right because here's here's what we think I am better and I'm gonna what we think I am better and I'm gonna what we think I am better and I'm gonna help them be better right guys are there help them be better right guys are there help them be better right guys are there when I listen to you if I jump on your when I listen to you if I jump on your when I listen to you if I jump on your podcast listen one of your podcast um

podcast listen one of your podcast um podcast listen one of your podcast um I'm gonna something in there that's make I'm gonna something in there that's make I'm gonna something in there that's make me or what I do is give me a different me or what I do is give me a different me or what I do is give me a different view of it so right so to go back to view of it so right so to go back to view of it so right so to go back to your original question yeah it says this your original question yeah it says this your original question yeah it says this is that we have to really create this is that we have to really create this is that we have to really create this culture and we've been struggling with culture and we've been struggling with culture and we've been struggling with it it's not it's not it's a tension okay it it's not it's not it's a tension okay it it's not it's not it's a tension okay yes up up saying hey you know what I do yes up up saying hey you know what I do yes up up saying hey you know what I do it better but it doesn't mean it's it better but it doesn't mean it's it better but it doesn't mean it's always the right way and then we're always the right way and then we're always the right way and then we're gonna model what Jesus did Jesus gonna model what Jesus did Jesus gonna model what Jesus did Jesus constantly what the first thing that constantly what the first thing that constantly what the first thing that Jesus did Jesus went out and his mom Jesus did Jesus went out and his mom Jesus did Jesus went out and his mom made him to a miracle so we'll get over made him to a miracle so we'll get over made him to a miracle so we'll get over that Francis had his own parent problems that Francis had his own parent problems that Francis had his own parent problems yes I but but the first thing he did was yes I but but the first thing he did was yes I but but the first thing he did was he set up a team he went out he chose a he set up a team he went out he chose a he set up a team he went out he chose a disciple he do that when you watch him disciple he do that when you watch him disciple he do that when you watch him do ministry and miracles you watch him do ministry and miracles you watch him do ministry and miracles you watch him use the team you talk you see his use the team you talk you see his use the team you talk you see his demonstration of what he did was demonstration of what he did was demonstration of what he did was powerful he did the blows and the fixes powerful he did the blows and the fixes powerful he did the blows and the fixes he said what do we have they gave them he said what do we have they gave them he said what do we have they gave them information he made decisions he brought information he made decisions he brought information he made decisions he brought in the in the in the decisions and they distributed baskets decisions and they distributed baskets decisions and they distributed baskets then they collected baskets and what we then they collected baskets and what we then they collected baskets and what we get out of that is this is when you use get out of that is this is when you use get out of that is this is when you use team you get more in return so true you team you get more in return so true you team you get more in return so true you know what I mean so it's been a know what I mean so it's been a know what I mean so it's been a challenge to do that but when we bring challenge to do that but when we bring challenge to do that but when we bring people up there we say it's teen and we people up there we say it's teen and we people up there we say it's teen and we evaluate it one of our five values it evaluate it one of our five values it evaluate it one of our five values it takes teamwork make the dream work so takes teamwork make the dream work so takes teamwork make the dream work so we're sitting and looking at someone we're sitting and looking at someone we're sitting and looking at someone successful and we're saying how's your successful and we're saying how's your successful and we're saying how's your team it's in two places in the know and team it's in two places in the know and team it's in two places in the know and and we can move on a sorry pick up and we can move on a sorry pick up and we can move on a sorry pick up notification first place is is is are notification first place is is is are notification first place is is is are you building it numerically okay and you building it numerically okay and you building it numerically okay and that's important but numbers don't tell that's important but numbers don't tell that's important but numbers don't tell the whole story sometimes what we do is

the whole story sometimes what we do is the whole story sometimes what we do is we we hold it in but it's just be we we hold it in but it's just be we we hold it in but it's just be telling a bunch of people what to do telling a bunch of people what to do telling a bunch of people what to do right so we build numerically so is it right so we build numerically so is it right so we build numerically so is it growing at number two are they empowered growing at number two are they empowered growing at number two are they empowered to lead which means can they make a to lead which means can they make a to lead which means can they make a decision where they are and a lot decision where they are and a lot decision where they are and a lot pastors today and I was there for many pastors today and I was there for many pastors today and I was there for many many years we're afraid give people the many years we're afraid give people the many years we're afraid give people the the ability to make decisions in to lead the ability to make decisions in to lead the ability to make decisions in to lead and I remember looking at my team about and I remember looking at my team about and I remember looking at my team about eight months ago and saying let me ask eight months ago and saying let me ask eight months ago and saying let me ask you a question give me then you'll do on you a question give me then you'll do on you a question give me then you'll do on a Sunday that will totally screw up to a Sunday that will totally screw up to a Sunday that will totally screw up to sunday that's maybe somehow what could sunday that's maybe somehow what could sunday that's maybe somehow what could you do what could you do it again right you do what could you do it again right you do what could you do it again right there's nothing you can do right you're there's nothing you can do right you're there's nothing you can do right you're not going to mess it up and if it's a not going to mess it up and if it's a not going to mess it up and if it's a bad decision what about a Monday or bad decision what about a Monday or bad decision what about a Monday or Tuesday and there's always next weekend Tuesday and there's always next weekend Tuesday and there's always next weekend oh it really in it you know and Jesus oh it really in it you know and Jesus oh it really in it you know and Jesus comes back none of us I'm care about is comes back none of us I'm care about is comes back none of us I'm care about is right exact you know it's it's fine this right exact you know it's it's fine this right exact you know it's it's fine this this serum attack that people need to this serum attack that people need to this serum attack that people need to make decisions the board they make make decisions the board they make make decisions the board they make decisions to better get at it the better decisions to better get at it the better decisions to better get at it the better they get at it the wider we can increase they get at it the wider we can increase they get at it the wider we can increase our influence and the more people we can our influence and the more people we can our influence and the more people we can reach for Jesus Christ absolutely yeah reach for Jesus Christ absolutely yeah reach for Jesus Christ absolutely yeah absolutely fantastic anything else you absolutely fantastic anything else you absolutely fantastic anything else you want to share before we move on into the want to share before we move on into the want to share before we move on into the next you know experts show you know you next you know experts show you know you next you know experts show you know you may be listening today and going well may be listening today and going well may be listening today and going well Jim thinks that works for you and I Jim thinks that works for you and I Jim thinks that works for you and I appreciate that I say that all the time appreciate that I say that all the time appreciate that I say that all the time every time I go to catalyst or go to one every time I go to catalyst or go to one every time I go to catalyst or go to one of my friends Compson's or something of my friends Compson's or something of my friends Compson's or something like that I think that but here's the like that I think that but here's the like that I think that but here's the truth you don't know till you try it truth you don't know till you try it truth you don't know till you try it won't happen overnight but I only won't happen overnight but I only won't happen overnight but I only encourage anybody listening be willing encourage anybody listening be willing encourage anybody listening be willing to share the power that God is to share the power that God is to share the power that God is interested in you you can do that and

interested in you you can do that and interested in you you can do that and you can look fine faithful people don't you can look fine faithful people don't you can look fine faithful people don't just throw it away but when you just just throw it away but when you just just throw it away but when you just extend that ability for people to lead I extend that ability for people to lead I extend that ability for people to lead I miss you I promise you the return will miss you I promise you the return will miss you I promise you the return will come back like you can imagine it's a come back like you can imagine it's a come back like you can imagine it's a powerful powerful concept being able powerful powerful concept being able powerful powerful concept being able help people be authentic leaders in that help people be authentic leaders in that help people be authentic leaders in that arena this is the unset Maneri podcast arena this is the unset Maneri podcast arena this is the unset Maneri podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary stuff you wish they taught in seminary stuff you wish they taught in seminary well we're going to jump into the well we're going to jump into the well we're going to jump into the lightning round that's the part of the lightning round that's the part of the lightning round that's the part of the show where we have similar questions of show where we have similar questions of show where we have similar questions of everybody that's been on the show today everybody that's been on the show today everybody that's been on the show today we're super honored to have Jim Porto we're super honored to have Jim Porto we're super honored to have Jim Porto with us from destination church it's with us from destination church it's with us from destination church it's been a great conversation so far thanks been a great conversation so far thanks been a great conversation so far thanks so much for being here today Jim Jim so much for being here today Jim Jim so much for being here today Jim Jim what's in online resource that you're what's in online resource that you're what's in online resource that you're using these days that's kind of helping using these days that's kind of helping using these days that's kind of helping you in your ministry Wow we use a lot you in your ministry Wow we use a lot you in your ministry Wow we use a lot and may I wish my team was there with me and may I wish my team was there with me and may I wish my team was there with me because those those folks are crazy because those those folks are crazy because those those folks are crazy stuff but you know we use some we just stuff but you know we use some we just stuff but you know we use some we just started using google docs now we've used started using google docs now we've used started using google docs now we've used Evernote for a while and you know Evernote for a while and you know Evernote for a while and you know there's a premium period of Evernote there's a premium period of Evernote there's a premium period of Evernote that helps you in collaboration and that helps you in collaboration and that helps you in collaboration and things like that but recently is a things like that but recently is a things like that but recently is a non-profit google docs as doing some non-profit google docs as doing some non-profit google docs as doing some good stuffs been working on down below good stuffs been working on down below good stuffs been working on down below this we use between evernote and Google this we use between evernote and Google this we use between evernote and Google Docs were testing it right now tube over Docs were testing it right now tube over Docs were testing it right now tube over one of the second things we started one of the second things we started one of the second things we started using that goes in with our accounting using that goes in with our accounting using that goes in with our accounting software as a software called concur and software as a software called concur and software as a software called concur and concurs a great sovereign if you hurry concurs a great sovereign if you hurry concurs a great sovereign if you hurry up then but if the app and we're able to up then but if the app and we're able to up then but if the app and we're able to do cross the board budget approvals and do cross the board budget approvals and do cross the board budget approvals and things like that inner inner department things like that inner inner department things like that inner inner department and stuff like that naturally helped us and stuff like that naturally helped us and stuff like that naturally helped us because we were chasing each other down because we were chasing each other down because we were chasing each other down trying to get signatures if I something trying to get signatures if I something trying to get signatures if I something in music type thing you know to bring in music 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accountability so encourage Hellfest one accountability so encourage Hellfest one of the greatest online resources we use of the greatest online resources we use of the greatest online resources we use is picea or planning center on for sure is picea or planning center on for sure is picea or planning center on for sure I'm sure a ton of people use that info I'm sure a ton of people use that info I'm sure a ton of people use that info that's when I would bring up we out we that's when I would bring up we out we that's when I would bring up we out we have we don't have meetings to have have we don't have meetings to have have we don't have meetings to have meetings act on buying t-shirts for meetings act on buying t-shirts for meetings act on buying t-shirts for everybody that says I just survived a everybody that says I just survived a everybody that says I just survived a meeting it could be an email but um meeting it could be an email but um meeting it could be an email but um music is some pre op Singh Kham yep and music is some pre op Singh Kham yep and music is some pre op Singh Kham yep and we're able to do these online calls with we're able to do these online calls with we're able to do these online calls with I deal with up to a hundred volunteer I deal with up to a hundred volunteer I deal with up to a hundred volunteer the time it reported and they can go the time it reported and they can go the time it reported and they can go back and listen to it and that's back and listen to it and that's back and listen to it and that's sometimes we had meetings at what in sometimes we had meetings at what in sometimes we had meetings at what in fact my staff meetings as far as what fact my staff meetings as far as what fact my staff meetings as far as what volunteers on my campus we do it once a volunteers on my campus we do it once a volunteers on my campus we do it once a month like that so it's very helpful month like that so it's very helpful month like that so it's very helpful very cool what's a book that you've read very cool what's a book that you've read very cool what's a book that you've read in the last I don't know six months to a in the last I don't know six months to a in the last I don't know six months to a year that's that's had an impact or year that's that's had an impact or year that's that's had an impact or shaping your thinking wow that poster shaping your thinking wow that poster shaping your thinking wow that poster there's two books in the last couple there's two books in the last couple there's two books in the last couple months that are making a huge impact on months that are making a huge impact on months that are making a huge impact on me me me what I'm installed battlefield of the what I'm installed battlefield of the what I'm installed battlefield of the mind by Justin Joyce Meyers I've read it mind by Justin Joyce Meyers I've read it mind by Justin Joyce Meyers I've read it a couple times before but it really is a couple times before but it really is a couple times before but it really is bringing back to the area of how we bringing back to the area of how we bringing back to the area of how we think I'm really will determine what we think I'm really will determine what we think I'm really will determine what we do and what we do will determine our do and what we do will determine our do and what we do will determine our destiny so to speak now I know God is destiny so to speak now I know God is destiny so to speak now I know God is the author of what we do but you know the author of what we do but you know the author of what we do but you know our choice and how we make so I've been our choice and how we make so I've been our choice and how we make so I've been really thinking about how I think and really thinking about how I think and really thinking about how I think and focusing on making sure i'm thinking the focusing on making sure i'm thinking the focusing on making sure i'm thinking the right things towards people towards right things towards people towards right things towards people towards myself and making a difference there i'm myself and making a difference there i'm myself and making a difference there i'm also certified behavioral specialist also certified behavioral specialist also certified behavioral specialist with dr. Roman personality profiles it with dr. Roman personality profiles it with dr. Roman personality profiles it he has a book out called called a he has a book out called called a he has a book out called called a positive personality profile enrich I'm positive personality profile enrich I'm positive personality profile enrich I'm telling you at the league if you could

telling you at the league if you could telling you at the league if you could if you can understand your people and if you can understand your people and if you can understand your people and what I mean by that is that stuff we what I mean by that is that stuff we what I mean by that is that stuff we don't understand it to the gap there don't understand it to the gap there don't understand it to the gap there late to meeting why are they looking and late to meeting why are they looking and late to meeting why are they looking and we will always fill the gap in with we will always fill the gap in with we will always fill the gap in with something but there are some people that something but there are some people that something but there are some people that are wired for certain way and it can are wired for certain way and it can are wired for certain way and it can understand how their wire it makes us understand how their wire it makes us understand how their wire it makes us better and how we get them tasks or what better and how we get them tasks or what better and how we get them tasks or what our expectations are on what we can do our expectations are on what we can do our expectations are on what we can do it just makes us we know we become it just makes us we know we become it just makes us we know we become college give them the right place on the college give them the right place on the college give them the right place on the right bus doing the right thing right right bus doing the right thing right right bus doing the right thing right right nice very cool what's another right nice very cool what's another right nice very cool what's another ministry you're looking to you know ministry you're looking to you know ministry you're looking to you know that's kind of inspiring you is helping that's kind of inspiring you is helping that's kind of inspiring you is helping you you know think through you know what you you know think through you know what you you know think through you know what the ministry look like in the future for the ministry look like in the future for the ministry look like in the future for your destination we be definitely uh May your destination we be definitely uh May your destination we be definitely uh May in our area we we I wrote in to mature in our area we we I wrote in to mature in our area we we I wrote in to mature so paper there's a particular church so paper there's a particular church so paper there's a particular church we've connected with called NewSpring we've connected with called NewSpring we've connected with called NewSpring church in South Carolina Perry Noble and church in South Carolina Perry Noble and church in South Carolina Perry Noble and hit F there and a shame that your friend hit F there and a shame that your friend hit F there and a shame that your friend of mine and we get to talk a little and of mine and we get to talk a little and of mine and we get to talk a little and and and and their resources they have a and and and their resources they have a and and and their resources they have a network they share with us they network they share with us they network they share with us they encourage us we've been to their double encourage us we've been to their double encourage us we've been to their double conference and things like that 28 the a conference and things like that 28 the a conference and things like that 28 the a tremendous amount of encouragement tremendous amount of encouragement tremendous amount of encouragement orders that's were similar in time also orders that's were similar in time also orders that's were similar in time also things like that although they they have things like that although they they have things like that although they they have two or three more people then and then two or three more people then and then two or three more people then and then no I feel a lot of work Don Maxwell I no I feel a lot of work Don Maxwell I no I feel a lot of work Don Maxwell I appreciate his spirit of his service of appreciate his spirit of his service of appreciate his spirit of his service of the Lord and in his consistency in the Lord and in his consistency in the Lord and in his consistency in leadership we're about take our tap a leadership we're about take our tap a leadership we're about take our tap a book with Sean called intentions living book with Sean called intentions living book with Sean called intentions living in fact no one has it yet it was october in fact no one has it yet it was october in fact no one has it yet it was october six but I was a bully because I much for six but I was a bully because I much for six but I was a bully because I much for him and we're ready go through that

him and we're ready go through that him and we're ready go through that because those two because those two because those two one is more alternative springs for a one is more alternative springs for a one is more alternative springs for a culture of how we ministered fernanda culture of how we ministered fernanda culture of how we ministered fernanda and next flow spirit EG is terrible use and next flow spirit EG is terrible use and next flow spirit EG is terrible use when it comes to how we develop and when it comes to how we develop and when it comes to how we develop and raise our leadership lids cool those are raise our leadership lids cool those are raise our leadership lids cool those are cleared great if you could get 15 cleared great if you could get 15 cleared great if you could get 15 minutes with any leader live oh and minutes with any leader live oh and minutes with any leader live oh and that's hard it's hard to narrow down if that's hard it's hard to narrow down if that's hard it's hard to narrow down if you want to get with that why wow yeah you want to get with that why wow yeah you want to get with that why wow yeah you know that's it that's a tough you know that's it that's a tough you know that's it that's a tough question really because there's some question really because there's some question really because there's some different ones but you know if I think different ones but you know if I think different ones but you know if I think about I thought of george w bush okay about I thought of george w bush okay about I thought of george w bush okay before you crack up a little bit and before you crack up a little bit and before you crack up a little bit and think about what my strategic was um I think about what my strategic was um I think about what my strategic was um I don't know him obviously right I only don't know him obviously right I only don't know him obviously right I only know what I've seen in a read his book know what I've seen in a read his book know what I've seen in a read his book but but I best for me is I won't watch but but I best for me is I won't watch but but I best for me is I won't watch the man go through a difficult time in the man go through a difficult time in the man go through a difficult time in our in our country and uh and and and our in our country and uh and and and our in our country and uh and and and I've seen him afterwards you know what I've seen him afterwards you know what I've seen him afterwards you know what I've seen I don't know at all it after I've seen I don't know at all it after I've seen I don't know at all it after just appears to be a person who is at just appears to be a person who is at just appears to be a person who is at peace with his decisions and I don't peace with his decisions and I don't peace with his decisions and I don't know about you rich but yeah I don't know about you rich but yeah I don't know about you rich but yeah I don't know many nights you've been awake we've know many nights you've been awake we've know many nights you've been awake we've looked and you submit wonder if I did looked and you submit wonder if I did looked and you submit wonder if I did anything and it's Bob for a minute or a anything and it's Bob for a minute or a anything and it's Bob for a minute or a little longer and I just I'd like to little longer and I just I'd like to little longer and I just I'd like to talk to him and say hey tell me about talk to him and say hey tell me about talk to him and say hey tell me about 911 tell me about afterwards you you 911 tell me about afterwards you you 911 tell me about afterwards you you know a lot of people say you're a know a lot of people say you're a know a lot of people say you're a problem here but I haven't heard you problem here but I haven't heard you problem here but I haven't heard you really attacked back challenge I got really attacked back challenge I got really attacked back challenge I got restricted than that you know that I restricted than that you know that I restricted than that you know that I think that would be a cool i will be a think that would be a cool i will be a think that would be a cool i will be a clone of you feed opinion no it's very clone of you feed opinion no it's very clone of you feed opinion no it's very cool that is very cool great well thank cool that is very cool great well thank cool that is very cool great well thank you so much for being on the show today

you so much for being on the show today you so much for being on the show today if you were gonna kick back obviously if you were gonna kick back obviously if you were gonna kick back obviously you're leading in a you know in a great you're leading in a you know in a great you're leading in a you know in a great church growing Church and you're looking church growing Church and you're looking church growing Church and you're looking to just have a little bit of fun what to just have a little bit of fun what to just have a little bit of fun what would you do you know just to kind of would you do you know just to kind of would you do you know just to kind of relax a little bit I have a 2003 relax a little bit I have a 2003 relax a little bit I have a 2003 anniversary kitchen at boy anniversary kitchen at boy anniversary kitchen at boy harley-davidson yes and I my wife and I harley-davidson yes and I my wife and I harley-davidson yes and I my wife and I love going out on the bike I was seen my love going out on the bike I was seen my love going out on the bike I was seen my glove enough today but it's a little glove enough today but it's a little glove enough today but it's a little rainy Aaron and yeah so I might just go rainy Aaron and yeah so I might just go rainy Aaron and yeah so I might just go out snakes too and talk to it for a out snakes too and talk to it for a out snakes too and talk to it for a minute but I love doing and I've had the minute but I love doing and I've had the minute but I love doing and I've had the privilege for the last 14 years being a privilege for the last 14 years being a privilege for the last 14 years being a basketball official and out see double basketball official and out see double basketball official and out see double play for about eight years and the motor play for about eight years and the motor play for about eight years and the motor conferences have left as I retired from conferences have left as I retired from conferences have left as I retired from that because they all say 28 I've I'm that because they all say 28 I've I'm that because they all say 28 I've I'm older but but older but but older but but getting basketball arrived mihari game getting basketball arrived mihari game getting basketball arrived mihari game in Tanana there's nothing like you you in Tanana there's nothing like you you in Tanana there's nothing like you you need a be enough brother man yeah and need a be enough brother man yeah and need a be enough brother man yeah and it's the haircut it's the haircut for it's the haircut it's the haircut for it's the haircut it's the haircut for sure that's great well Jim I really sure that's great well Jim I really sure that's great well Jim I really appreciate you being on the show today appreciate you being on the show today appreciate you being on the show today thank you so much for taking time out if thank you so much for taking time out if thank you so much for taking time out if people want to get in touch with you or people want to get in touch with you or people want to get in touch with you or the church how can they do that well you the church how can they do that well you the church how can they do that well you could at you can send an email obviously could at you can send an email obviously could at you can send an email obviously to be a destination Walker Daktronics j to be a destination Walker Daktronics j to be a destination Walker Daktronics j or poor code AP you are te au at destiny or poor code AP you are te au at destiny or poor code AP you are te au at destiny marcom you can hook me up on facebook marcom you can hook me up on facebook marcom you can hook me up on facebook loves connect with the on facebook or loves connect with the on facebook or loves connect with the on facebook or aqui OS richard sport or game photo I'm aqui OS richard sport or game photo I'm aqui OS richard sport or game photo I'm unfortunately at come up all over the unfortunately at come up all over the unfortunately at come up all over the place I would love to add value there's place I would love to add value there's place I would love to add value there's any way we have a real tuna tower church any way we have a real tuna tower church any way we have a real tuna tower church that helped as much as possible one we that helped as much as possible one we that helped as much as possible one we probably work with dove or pastors a

probably work with dove or pastors a probably work with dove or pastors a month back huh and a visit us we can add month back huh and a visit us we can add month back huh and a visit us we can add value to you let me know it's part of value to you let me know it's part of value to you let me know it's part of our harm a desire and we wish to learn our harm a desire and we wish to learn our harm a desire and we wish to learn from you so it'd be great very cool well from you so it'd be great very cool well from you so it'd be great very cool well thanks so much Jim thanks for being on thanks so much Jim thanks for being on thanks so much Jim thanks for being on the show today thank you for tuning in the show today thank you for tuning in the show today thank you for tuning in to this week's unsung re podcast don't to this week's unsung re podcast don't to this week's unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out be shy we'd love to connect check out be shy we'd love to connect check out uncie maneri inbox you can sign up at uncie maneri inbox you can sign up at uncie maneri inbox you can sign up at unsummon re calm and we'll send you unsummon re calm and we'll send you unsummon re calm and we'll send you helpful training resources every week helpful training resources every week helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our plus you'll gain immediate access to our plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive members area with tons of exclusive members area with tons of exclusive members area with tons of resources you can use connect with rich resources you can use connect with rich resources you can use connect with rich on twitter at rich birch or through on twitter at rich birch or through on twitter at rich birch or through email rich at unsummon ericom don't email rich at unsummon ericom don't email rich at unsummon ericom don't forget to check out the show notes for forget to check out the show notes for forget to check out the show notes for this episode at unset maneri com it this episode at unset maneri com it this episode at unset maneri com it includes links to what we talked about includes links to what we talked about includes links to what we talked about today and more leave a comment we'd love today and more leave a comment we'd love today and more leave a comment we'd love to hear from you did you enjoy today's to hear from you did you enjoy today's to hear from you did you enjoy today's episode drop by itunes and leave a episode drop by itunes and leave a episode drop by itunes and leave a review thanks again for tuning in to review thanks again for tuning in to review thanks again for tuning in to this week's on seminary podcast join us this week's on seminary podcast join us this week's on seminary podcast join us next week when we'll learn more stuff we next week when we'll learn more stuff we next week when we'll learn more stuff we wish they taught in seminary