Jeremy Dager on Helping College Students Plug Into the Life of a Church

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get started with this week's on seminary podcast hi this week's on seminary podcast hi this week's on seminary podcast hi everybody my name is rich welcome to the everybody my name is rich welcome to the everybody my name is rich welcome to the on seminary podcast we are so glad that on seminary podcast we are so glad that on seminary podcast we are so glad that you decided to put us in your ear buds you decided to put us in your ear buds you decided to put us in your ear buds today I know there's a lot going on in today I know there's a lot going on in today I know there's a lot going on in your church particularly this week your church particularly this week your church particularly this week you've got a lot heading into this you've got a lot heading into this you've got a lot heading into this weekend and we're just so thankful that weekend and we're just so thankful that weekend and we're just so thankful that you would take some time out to listen you would take some time out to listen you would take some time out to listen in to today's conversation you're going in to today's conversation you're going in to today's conversation you're going to be rewarded because today we've got a to be rewarded because today we've got a to be rewarded because today we've got a great interview with Jeremy dagger from great interview with Jeremy dagger from great interview with Jeremy dagger from mercy Hill Church this is churches in mercy Hill Church this is churches in mercy Hill Church this is churches in Greensboro North Carolina you might Greensboro North Carolina you might Greensboro North Carolina you might recall a while back we had Bobby recall a while back we had Bobby recall a while back we had Bobby Harrington on and I loved they talked Harrington on and I loved they talked Harrington on and I loved they talked about this incredible thing they call about this incredible thing they call about this incredible thing they call the weekender where they they push you the weekender where they they push you the weekender where they they push you know a lot of people through this this know a lot of people through this this know a lot of people through this this kind of week-long or weekend long you kind of week-long or weekend long you kind of week-long or weekend long you know assimilation process well today know assimilation process well today know assimilation process well today we're going to be talking to jeremy all we're going to be talking to jeremy all we're going to be talking to jeremy all about kind of next generation or college about kind of next generation or college about kind of next generation or college students millennial ministry so Jeremy students millennial ministry so Jeremy students millennial ministry so Jeremy welcome to the show thanks rich welcome to the show thanks rich welcome to the show thanks rich appreciate you having me on no I'm so so appreciate you having me on no I'm so so appreciate you having me on no I'm so so glad to have you now I'd love for you to glad to have you now I'd love for you to glad to have you now I'd love for you to kind of refresh people's minds memory kind of refresh people's minds memory kind of refresh people's minds memory about mercy he'll tell us about the about mercy he'll tell us about the about mercy he'll tell us about the church and then tell us about your role church and then tell us about your role church and then tell us about your role there yeah so mercy hill church is just there yeah so mercy hill church is just there yeah so mercy hill church is just recently turned four years old we are on recently turned four years old we are on recently turned four years old we are on the precipice of becoming a multi-site the precipice of becoming a multi-site the precipice of becoming a multi-site church here and so we're excited about church here and so we're excited about church here and so we're excited about that nice we planned it out of summit that nice we planned it out of summit that nice we planned it out of summit church in Raleigh Durham and a lot of church in Raleigh Durham and a lot of church in Raleigh Durham and a lot of people are probably familiar with JD

people are probably familiar with JD people are probably familiar with JD Greer and we we had an incredible time Greer and we we had an incredible time Greer and we we had an incredible time they're growing both personally and then they're growing both personally and then they're growing both personally and then as a team before we launch and so came as a team before we launch and so came as a team before we launch and so came out of the summit church planted in out of the summit church planted in out of the summit church planted in greensboro north carolina and over the greensboro north carolina and over the greensboro north carolina and over the last four years we have just seen God do last four years we have just seen God do last four years we have just seen God do some amazing things kind of like Paul some amazing things kind of like Paul some amazing things kind of like Paul talks about Ephesians more than we could talks about Ephesians more than we could talks about Ephesians more than we could have asked or imagined so my role have asked or imagined so my role have asked or imagined so my role specifically at the church is I'm over specifically at the church is I'm over specifically at the church is I'm over what we call our age based ministry what we call our age based ministry what we call our age based ministry which people point out that I guess which people point out that I guess which people point out that I guess means everybody if you have an age means everybody if you have an age means everybody if you have an age astronomy is responsible for you yeah so astronomy is responsible for you yeah so astronomy is responsible for you yeah so I guess in the church I guess in the church I guess in the church we would look at his family ministry we would look at his family ministry we would look at his family ministry plus college students ok so I'm plus college students ok so I'm plus college students ok so I'm responsible for our kids ministry for responsible for our kids ministry for responsible for our kids ministry for our student ministry and then for our our student ministry and then for our our student ministry and then for our college ministry as well and I have a college ministry as well and I have a college ministry as well and I have a lot of help so that sounds kind of like lot of help so that sounds kind of like lot of help so that sounds kind of like a daunting task but I have an incredible a daunting task but I have an incredible a daunting task but I have an incredible team we have a full-time college team we have a full-time college team we have a full-time college director full-time student director and director full-time student director and director full-time student director and a bunch of people that are on staff with a bunch of people that are on staff with a bunch of people that are on staff with us nor kids ministry and so God has just us nor kids ministry and so God has just us nor kids ministry and so God has just like with our church he has grown each like with our church he has grown each like with our church he has grown each of these ministries in a way that just of these ministries in a way that just of these ministries in a way that just really kind of blown our mind and it's really kind of blown our mind and it's really kind of blown our mind and it's been really neat to be able to kind of been really neat to be able to kind of been really neat to be able to kind of be over that and what's really helped us be over that and what's really helped us be over that and what's really helped us align all those ministries together align all those ministries together align all those ministries together having kind of my eyes on all three of having kind of my eyes on all three of having kind of my eyes on all three of them so it's been it's been a pretty them so it's been it's been a pretty them so it's been it's been a pretty crazy broad and we're excited to crazy broad and we're excited to crazy broad and we're excited to continue see what God is going to do continue see what God is going to do continue see what God is going to do yeah I love that you're you know you've yeah I love that you're you know you've yeah I love that you're you know you've got your kind of seeing that entire span got your kind of seeing that entire span got your kind of seeing that entire span as really 11 ministry hopefully you know as really 11 ministry hopefully you know as really 11 ministry hopefully you know stitching together and I know some stitching together and I know some stitching together and I know some churches they really deal with kind of a

churches they really deal with kind of a churches they really deal with kind of a cliff at the end of each one of those cliff at the end of each one of those cliff at the end of each one of those it's like they have a certain number of it's like they have a certain number of it's like they have a certain number of you know elementary students and then you know elementary students and then you know elementary students and then not all those students convert into high not all those students convert into high not all those students convert into high school and then not all those steps to school and then not all those steps to school and then not all those steps to students convert into college and then students convert into college and then students convert into college and then there seems to be a huge drop-off and a there seems to be a huge drop-off and a there seems to be a huge drop-off and a lot of churches from college into adult lot of churches from college into adult lot of churches from college into adult ministry ya know and there's a lot of ministry ya know and there's a lot of ministry ya know and there's a lot of fear around like Millennials and like fear around like Millennials and like fear around like Millennials and like what are we doing to reach them and so what are we doing to reach them and so what are we doing to reach them and so why don't we talk about that why don't we talk about that why don't we talk about that particularly that age group I know your particularly that age group I know your particularly that age group I know your dance a pretty innovative cool stuff dance a pretty innovative cool stuff dance a pretty innovative cool stuff with the college age group I wonder if with the college age group I wonder if with the college age group I wonder if you could tell us a little bit about you could tell us a little bit about you could tell us a little bit about that yeah so I'll give a little bit of that yeah so I'll give a little bit of that yeah so I'll give a little bit of background as far as what we've seen background as far as what we've seen background as far as what we've seen well we came over when we came to well we came over when we came to well we came over when we came to greensboro we planted mercy who we knew greensboro we planted mercy who we knew greensboro we planted mercy who we knew that there were colleges in the area you that there were colleges in the area you that there were colleges in the area you know when you put on your prospectus know when you put on your prospectus know when you put on your prospectus it's you're supposed to put their it's you're supposed to put their it's you're supposed to put their college students right that's part of college students right that's part of college students right that's part of your church plenty deal and so that we your church plenty deal and so that we your church plenty deal and so that we knew that there was I think 80 plus knew that there was I think 80 plus knew that there was I think 80 plus thousand college students in the tribe thousand college students in the tribe thousand college students in the tribe greater triad area of North Carolina but greater triad area of North Carolina but greater triad area of North Carolina but as far as reaching certain campuses we as far as reaching certain campuses we as far as reaching certain campuses we just thought that there was one just thought that there was one just thought that there was one primarily here in Greensboro and then primarily here in Greensboro and then primarily here in Greensboro and then over the course of these four years we over the course of these four years we over the course of these four years we have seen eight different campuses in have seen eight different campuses in have seen eight different campuses in the triad area represented weekly at the triad area represented weekly at the triad area represented weekly at mercy hill which we didn't plan on that mercy hill which we didn't plan on that mercy hill which we didn't plan on that and so we have close to 400 college and so we have close to 400 college and so we have close to 400 college students now coming well to Mercy Hill students now coming well to Mercy Hill students now coming well to Mercy Hill which is just pretty pretty incredible which is just pretty pretty incredible which is just pretty pretty incredible and you know that's that that's kind of and you know that's that that's kind of and you know that's that that's kind of what is it was put in our lap and I what is it was put in our lap and I what is it was put in our lap and I think early on as a church when we think early on as a church when we think early on as a church when we started seeing college students show up started seeing college students show up started seeing college students show up we didn't know exactly what to do yeah

we didn't know exactly what to do yeah we didn't know exactly what to do yeah and so we just kind of did what we and so we just kind of did what we and so we just kind of did what we thought you were supposed to do which is thought you were supposed to do which is thought you were supposed to do which is you just kind of put on an event for you just kind of put on an event for you just kind of put on an event for college students and what we realized college students and what we realized college students and what we realized early on it very early on you know the early on it very early on you know the early on it very early on you know the first year year and a half of our first year year and a half of our first year year and a half of our churches we're really good at the churches we're really good at the churches we're really good at the organized part we can put on a good organized part we can put on a good organized part we can put on a good structured event or college students and structured event or college students and structured event or college students and you know we're seeing costumes come you know we're seeing costumes come you know we're seeing costumes come through the front door we're opening up through the front door we're opening up through the front door we're opening up a door for college students to come in a door for college students to come in a door for college students to come in problem was I think what we realized is problem was I think what we realized is problem was I think what we realized is that we were leaving the back mmm door that we were leaving the back mmm door that we were leaving the back mmm door open and and I don't mean that as in open and and I don't mean that as in open and and I don't mean that as in college students for coming and leaving college students for coming and leaving college students for coming and leaving the church I just mean they were coming the church I just mean they were coming the church I just mean they were coming and they weren't meaningfully getting and they weren't meaningfully getting and they weren't meaningfully getting connected to the church and that and so connected to the church and that and so connected to the church and that and so I remember our lead pastor asked me one I remember our lead pastor asked me one I remember our lead pastor asked me one day he said min he said the events great day he said min he said the events great day he said min he said the events great he said but how many of these students he said but how many of these students he said but how many of these students do you actually know and and I had to do do you actually know and and I had to do do you actually know and and I had to do an honest evaluation I realized mana an honest evaluation I realized mana an honest evaluation I realized mana we're not really relationally connected we're not really relationally connected we're not really relationally connected and so we had a lot of students here but and so we had a lot of students here but and so we had a lot of students here but in terms of meaningful connection we in terms of meaningful connection we in terms of meaningful connection we just weren't really seeing it so we just weren't really seeing it so we just weren't really seeing it so we realized that point we can had to make a realized that point we can had to make a realized that point we can had to make a so so that's that's kind of the so so that's that's kind of the so so that's that's kind of the story of how we what we've seen mm-hmm story of how we what we've seen mm-hmm story of how we what we've seen mm-hmm well I think she's probably a lot of well I think she's probably a lot of well I think she's probably a lot of people are listening in that have a people are listening in that have a people are listening in that have a similar feeling about college students similar feeling about college students similar feeling about college students maybe and and we may think of it it's maybe and and we may think of it it's maybe and and we may think of it it's just like a stage of life thing right just like a stage of life thing right just like a stage of life thing right where it's like you know students are where it's like you know students are where it's like you know students are there they're self-absorbed they're there they're self-absorbed they're there they're self-absorbed they're worrying about their world they've got worrying about their world they've got worrying about their world they've got exams coming up there always and so so exams coming up there always and so so exams coming up there always and so so then we don't take an effort to say hey then we don't take an effort to say hey then we don't take an effort to say hey how do we get them connected and so we

how do we get them connected and so we how do we get them connected and so we kind of let students off the hook and we kind of let students off the hook and we kind of let students off the hook and we say hey you know you've got you know say hey you know you've got you know say hey you know you've got you know we're just glad to see you every once in we're just glad to see you every once in we're just glad to see you every once in a while and and we don't connect them a while and and we don't connect them a while and and we don't connect them but what have you done to try to see but what have you done to try to see but what have you done to try to see them get connected yeah so you know in them get connected yeah so you know in them get connected yeah so you know in that in that process of us thinking that in that process of us thinking that in that process of us thinking about okay what are we not doing um we about okay what are we not doing um we about okay what are we not doing um we just went back to the drawing board and just went back to the drawing board and just went back to the drawing board and we reevaluate it and really kind of we reevaluate it and really kind of we reevaluate it and really kind of broke down to three three parts for us broke down to three three parts for us broke down to three three parts for us no the first part is we just said hey we no the first part is we just said hey we no the first part is we just said hey we need to learn how to keep it simple I need to learn how to keep it simple I need to learn how to keep it simple I know that know that know that we talked about that if listeners have we talked about that if listeners have we talked about that if listeners have heard that the podcast that he did about heard that the podcast that he did about heard that the podcast that he did about us being simple church and we just kind us being simple church and we just kind us being simple church and we just kind of went back to the drawing board said I of went back to the drawing board said I of went back to the drawing board said I think I think we need to keep it simple think I think we need to keep it simple think I think we need to keep it simple and so we just started kind of slashing and so we just started kind of slashing and so we just started kind of slashing some stuff we ended up slashing our some stuff we ended up slashing our some stuff we ended up slashing our College event and and we basically said College event and and we basically said College event and and we basically said hey we're going to we're going to make hey we're going to we're going to make hey we're going to we're going to make sure that the students know that the big sure that the students know that the big sure that the students know that the big thing every week is our weekend thing every week is our weekend thing every week is our weekend gathering and then we want to assimilate gathering and then we want to assimilate gathering and then we want to assimilate them into small group ministry just like them into small group ministry just like them into small group ministry just like the rest of the church and so that was the rest of the church and so that was the rest of the church and so that was it that that's when people ask us about it that that's when people ask us about it that that's when people ask us about what we're doing to reach college what we're doing to reach college what we're doing to reach college students and we end up telling them students and we end up telling them students and we end up telling them they're kind of like yeah but what else they're kind of like yeah but what else they're kind of like yeah but what else and and and but that's the for us it's a and and and but that's the for us it's a and and and but that's the for us it's a very simple model of helping our very simple model of helping our very simple model of helping our students to recognize what what the big students to recognize what what the big students to recognize what what the big thing is and that is gathering as a thing is and that is gathering as a thing is and that is gathering as a local body every week and then getting local body every week and then getting local body every week and then getting them meaningfully connected into small them meaningfully connected into small them meaningfully connected into small groups so for us it was slashing things groups so for us it was slashing things groups so for us it was slashing things taking events off the schedule being taking events off the schedule being taking events off the schedule being strategic in the way that we put events strategic in the way that we put events strategic in the way that we put events on the schedule and so we just went on the schedule and so we just went on the schedule and so we just went through the list of things and we went through the list of things and we went through the list of things and we went through the calendar and we just say hey

through the calendar and we just say hey through the calendar and we just say hey we're going to try to keep this thing as we're going to try to keep this thing as we're going to try to keep this thing as simple as possible but then the second simple as possible but then the second simple as possible but then the second thing is we were just super intentional thing is we were just super intentional thing is we were just super intentional we realize kind of the if you build it we realize kind of the if you build it we realize kind of the if you build it they will come principal I just I don't they will come principal I just I don't they will come principal I just I don't think it works all that well right in think it works all that well right in think it works all that well right in the sense that maybe they will come but the sense that maybe they will come but the sense that maybe they will come but we were building it they were coming but we were building it they were coming but we were building it they were coming but no one was getting meaningfully no one was getting meaningfully no one was getting meaningfully connected so you know you might build it connected so you know you might build it connected so you know you might build it they might come but how are people they might come but how are people they might come but how are people getting or how our students and getting or how our students and getting or how our students and Millennials in particular how are they Millennials in particular how are they Millennials in particular how are they getting plugged in beyond that so we getting plugged in beyond that so we getting plugged in beyond that so we just said hey we need to reevaluate the just said hey we need to reevaluate the just said hey we need to reevaluate the intentionality with which we're going intentionality with which we're going intentionality with which we're going about this you know I think of it one about this you know I think of it one about this you know I think of it one story in particular its kind of had a story in particular its kind of had a story in particular its kind of had a goat oh but we've seen it happen time goat oh but we've seen it happen time goat oh but we've seen it happen time and time again of a student at a Sorak and time again of a student at a Sorak and time again of a student at a Sorak Lee black college here in Greensboro and Lee black college here in Greensboro and Lee black college here in Greensboro and really it was just him he'd start he was really it was just him he'd start he was really it was just him he'd start he was the only student from this school and the only student from this school and the only student from this school and wow we just realized hey we're not going wow we just realized hey we're not going wow we just realized hey we're not going to reach this school by building a big to reach this school by building a big to reach this school by building a big event to try see students come and we event to try see students come and we event to try see students come and we just kind of rallied around him and just kind of rallied around him and just kind of rallied around him and we're super intentional four six eight we're super intentional four six eight we're super intentional four six eight months with him and and out of that we months with him and and out of that we months with him and and out of that we have just seen tremendous growth from have just seen tremendous growth from have just seen tremendous growth from that school in particular and so it just that school in particular and so it just that school in particular and so it just reminded us about the intentionality reminded us about the intentionality reminded us about the intentionality piece practically with that to you know piece practically with that to you know piece practically with that to you know intentionally meant we needed to get a intentionally meant we needed to get a intentionally meant we needed to get a database we were we were using google database we were we were using google database we were we were using google and awesome things that Google provides and awesome things that Google provides and awesome things that Google provides but we at that point right two years but we at that point right two years but we at that point right two years into our church we ended up getting into our church we ended up getting into our church we ended up getting fellowship one yep which was a super fellowship one yep which was a super fellowship one yep which was a super practical way for us as a church but practical way for us as a church but practical way for us as a church but then even as a college ministry and then even as a college ministry and then even as a college ministry and student ministry to be intentional

student ministry to be intentional student ministry to be intentional because we were able to track students because we were able to track students because we were able to track students and know where they were in the process and know where they were in the process and know where they were in the process of getting plugged in and so that was of getting plugged in and so that was of getting plugged in and so that was very helpful for us to be intentional very helpful for us to be intentional very helpful for us to be intentional and then the last piece was we just and then the last piece was we just and then the last piece was we just realized we had to close the back door realized we had to close the back door realized we had to close the back door you know I know the Bobby talked about you know I know the Bobby talked about you know I know the Bobby talked about this too but we've gained a lot from this too but we've gained a lot from this too but we've gained a lot from Larry Osborne and one thing that he says Larry Osborne and one thing that he says Larry Osborne and one thing that he says is that people come because of quality is that people come because of quality is that people come because of quality and options but they stay because of and options but they stay because of and options but they stay because of relationships and so we realized man the relationships and so we realized man the relationships and so we realized man the the front door for us the organized the front door for us the organized the front door for us the organized piece we got that you know opening the piece we got that you know opening the piece we got that you know opening the door up creating a really structured door up creating a really structured door up creating a really structured event or or program a system what we event or or program a system what we event or or program a system what we have that part what the part that we have that part what the part that we have that part what the part that we don't have is that is the more organic don't have is that is the more organic don't have is that is the more organic piece which is the relational piece that piece which is the relational piece that piece which is the relational piece that closes the back door yep and so we just closes the back door yep and so we just closes the back door yep and so we just started focusing in on closing the back started focusing in on closing the back started focusing in on closing the back door and what that really meant was door and what that really meant was door and what that really meant was helping students to see that that what helping students to see that that what helping students to see that that what we're about is like I said weekend we're about is like I said weekend we're about is like I said weekend gathering but then getting them in small gathering but then getting them in small gathering but then getting them in small group and so they're our goal was to see group and so they're our goal was to see group and so they're our goal was to see in seventy to eighty percent of the in seventy to eighty percent of the in seventy to eighty percent of the college students at mercy hill in a college students at mercy hill in a college students at mercy hill in a small group my relationship because what small group my relationship because what small group my relationship because what we realize is that's what's going to we realize is that's what's going to we realize is that's what's going to keep them here but not just keep them keep them here but not just keep them keep them here but not just keep them but that's what's going to grow them but that's what's going to grow them but that's what's going to grow them right kind of in in in depth and so right kind of in in in depth and so right kind of in in in depth and so those are the kinds of three things that those are the kinds of three things that those are the kinds of three things that we did and once we start to do those we did and once we start to do those we did and once we start to do those things we've just seen growth both in things we've just seen growth both in things we've just seen growth both in width and in depth with our student now width and in depth with our student now width and in depth with our student now are you doing anything like there's the are you doing anything like there's the are you doing anything like there's the normal assimilation process which is not normal assimilation process which is not normal assimilation process which is not a great word but that's what we're a great word but that's what we're a great word but that's what we're talking about here getting people talking about here getting people talking about here getting people plugged into groups um that you're doing plugged into groups um that you're doing plugged into groups um that you're doing for say all of your adult population are for say all of your adult population are for say all of your adult population are you doing something specifically for

you doing something specifically for you doing something specifically for college students that looks a little college students that looks a little college students that looks a little different or is you just kind of calling different or is you just kind of calling different or is you just kind of calling out to students hey make sure you get out to students hey make sure you get out to students hey make sure you get plugged into a group this is how you get plugged into a group this is how you get plugged into a group this is how you get plugged in are they are they student plugged in are they are they student plugged in are they are they student specific groups or are you trying to go specific groups or are you trying to go specific groups or are you trying to go by gino geographical or how does that by gino geographical or how does that by gino geographical or how does that work yeah yeah so um yes yes and no we work yeah yeah so um yes yes and no we work yeah yeah so um yes yes and no we we do student specific groups so we have we do student specific groups so we have we do student specific groups so we have college groups that are specifically college groups that are specifically college groups that are specifically students but for the overall similar students but for the overall similar students but for the overall similar same process again in terms of keeping same process again in terms of keeping same process again in terms of keeping it simple and not siloing our ministry it simple and not siloing our ministry it simple and not siloing our ministry yep because I think that's also a danger yep because I think that's also a danger yep because I think that's also a danger whether it be student ministry kids whether it be student ministry kids whether it be student ministry kids ministry or college ministry there's ministry or college ministry there's ministry or college ministry there's always the danger of being siloed from always the danger of being siloed from always the danger of being siloed from what the rest of the church is doing we what the rest of the church is doing we what the rest of the church is doing we just said no that the first step for just said no that the first step for just said no that the first step for students just like with anyone else you students just like with anyone else you students just like with anyone else you know whether they're millennial whether know whether they're millennial whether know whether they're millennial whether they're in their 60s is that that they're in their 60s is that that they're in their 60s is that that weekend and so our simulation process weekend and so our simulation process weekend and so our simulation process looks the same for them now coming out looks the same for them now coming out looks the same for them now coming out of that we give the students the option of that we give the students the option of that we give the students the option to be a part of a college specific group to be a part of a college specific group to be a part of a college specific group or they can be part of a or they can be part of a or they can be part of a multi-generational group and so in that multi-generational group and so in that multi-generational group and so in that eighty percent of college students that eighty percent of college students that eighty percent of college students that we have in small group a percentage of we have in small group a percentage of we have in small group a percentage of them are in multi-generational groups them are in multi-generational groups them are in multi-generational groups because they feel like they would really because they feel like they would really because they feel like they would really love to be with people that are love to be with people that are love to be with people that are different than them at different life different than them at different life different than them at different life stage and and then we have a majority of stage and and then we have a majority of stage and and then we have a majority of them that are in college specific groups them that are in college specific groups them that are in college specific groups but we've again we just try to funnel it but we've again we just try to funnel it but we've again we just try to funnel it all together in terms of keeping it all together in terms of keeping it all together in terms of keeping it simple note oddly say hey we're not simple note oddly say hey we're not simple note oddly say hey we're not going to create all these different going to create all these different going to create all these different steps for different people we're going steps for different people we're going steps for different people we're going to streamline everything so what we say to streamline everything so what we say to streamline everything so what we say to one we're saying to the other and the

to one we're saying to the other and the to one we're saying to the other and the great thing with that is when our lead great thing with that is when our lead great thing with that is when our lead pastor steps up on Sunday and makes the pastor steps up on Sunday and makes the pastor steps up on Sunday and makes the application in a sermon about getting in application in a sermon about getting in application in a sermon about getting in a small group in our college students a small group in our college students a small group in our college students they're not hearing something completely they're not hearing something completely they're not hearing something completely different than what the rest of the different than what the rest of the different than what the rest of the people are hearing the application is people are hearing the application is people are hearing the application is the same for them the next step is the the same for them the next step is the the same for them the next step is the same for them so and again I think same for them so and again I think same for them so and again I think that's been super helpful in seeing that's been super helpful in seeing that's been super helpful in seeing those students actually get connected those students actually get connected those students actually get connected organically in closing that back door organically in closing that back door organically in closing that back door for them to stay now are the students for them to stay now are the students for them to stay now are the students that attend the college is by you do that attend the college is by you do that attend the college is by you do they tend to be are they from across the they tend to be are they from across the they tend to be are they from across the state across the country are they people state across the country are they people state across the country are they people you know that that will end up kind of you know that that will end up kind of you know that that will end up kind of close by you you know eventually what close by you you know eventually what close by you you know eventually what does that look like what's the profile does that look like what's the profile does that look like what's the profile of that student yeah so it's really of that student yeah so it's really of that student yeah so it's really unique because just the demographics of unique because just the demographics of unique because just the demographics of the triad area there's so many different the triad area there's so many different the triad area there's so many different schools so unc greensboro which is right schools so unc greensboro which is right schools so unc greensboro which is right here in our backyard that's primarily a here in our backyard that's primarily a here in our backyard that's primarily a school that that's fed by local North school that that's fed by local North school that that's fed by local North Carolinian so you don't really meet a Carolinian so you don't really meet a Carolinian so you don't really meet a ton of students at UNCG they are from ton of students at UNCG they are from ton of students at UNCG they are from out of state yeah but then right down out of state yeah but then right down out of state yeah but then right down the street from us is high point the street from us is high point the street from us is high point university and high point university university and high point university university and high point university it's very different most of the people it's very different most of the people it's very different most of the people are from your neck of the woods from are from your neck of the woods from are from your neck of the woods from from Jersey from the Northeast ok and so from Jersey from the Northeast ok and so from Jersey from the Northeast ok and so Craig we there's kind of an eclectic Craig we there's kind of an eclectic Craig we there's kind of an eclectic formation of students at our church that formation of students at our church that formation of students at our church that are from places like Chicago and from are from places like Chicago and from are from places like Chicago and from Lexington North Carolina who interest to Lexington North Carolina who interest to Lexington North Carolina who interest to help and one of the things that we've help and one of the things that we've help and one of the things that we've seen is you know you know I think a lot seen is you know you know I think a lot seen is you know you know I think a lot of times when churches think about of times when churches think about of times when churches think about Millennials and think about college Millennials and think about college Millennials and think about college students made me in particular they

students made me in particular they students made me in particular they struggle to see the value and the struggle to see the value and the struggle to see the value and the benefit and and what we've seen is when benefit and and what we've seen is when benefit and and what we've seen is when you learn to open the front door through you learn to open the front door through you learn to open the front door through a good organized system but close the a good organized system but close the a good organized system but close the back door through relationships back door through relationships back door through relationships organically is it there's an immediate organically is it there's an immediate organically is it there's an immediate effect on students which is that you get effect on students which is that you get effect on students which is that you get to see them grow and plug into your to see them grow and plug into your to see them grow and plug into your research right well we've we've started research right well we've we've started research right well we've we've started now and out with her in the year for we now and out with her in the year for we now and out with her in the year for we started to see a long term effect where started to see a long term effect where started to see a long term effect where if I look at our staff we have 39 staff if I look at our staff we have 39 staff if I look at our staff we have 39 staff members now we did a lot of hiring over members now we did a lot of hiring over members now we did a lot of hiring over the summer um we have 13 on staff the summer um we have 13 on staff the summer um we have 13 on staff members now I think if I'm correct ten members now I think if I'm correct ten members now I think if I'm correct ten of them are either former students or of them are either former students or of them are either former students or students anything about that excuse for students anything about that excuse for students anything about that excuse for you in our church and that's because you in our church and that's because you in our church and that's because they've what we've done is we've they've what we've done is we've they've what we've done is we've connected them in such a meaningful way connected them in such a meaningful way connected them in such a meaningful way that they don't want to leave right that they don't want to leave right that they don't want to leave right doesn't matter they're from wherever you doesn't matter they're from wherever you doesn't matter they're from wherever you have student right now she's doing a lot have student right now she's doing a lot have student right now she's doing a lot of work with us in misérables she's from of work with us in misérables she's from of work with us in misérables she's from Long Island and she has no plans on Long Island and she has no plans on Long Island and she has no plans on going back to Long Island no offense going back to Long Island no offense going back to Long Island no offense along yeah I can understand we've seen along yeah I can understand we've seen along yeah I can understand we've seen we've say that there is an immediate we've say that there is an immediate we've say that there is an immediate effect of seeing more students plug into effect of seeing more students plug into effect of seeing more students plug into your church but there is a long-term your church but there is a long-term your church but there is a long-term effect that I think church is missed effect that I think church is missed effect that I think church is missed sometimes when they don't understand how sometimes when they don't understand how sometimes when they don't understand how to assimilate Millennials and college to assimilate Millennials and college to assimilate Millennials and college students and that is you can you can students and that is you can you can students and that is you can you can build your staff in residence at Whitley build your staff in residence at Whitley build your staff in residence at Whitley it's white yeah let me put it and you're it's white yeah let me put it and you're it's white yeah let me put it and you're not saying this you didn't say this I'm not saying this you didn't say this I'm not saying this you didn't say this I'm saying so I because I'm gonna say some saying so I because I'm gonna say some saying so I because I'm gonna say some that may mildly offend people who are that may mildly offend people who are that may mildly offend people who are listening I think there are a lot of listening I think there are a lot of listening I think there are a lot of church leaders a lot of senior leaders church leaders a lot of senior leaders church leaders a lot of senior leaders executive pastors that frankly look at executive pastors that frankly look at executive pastors that frankly look at the college ministry thing and say

the college ministry thing and say the college ministry thing and say there's no money in that why are we there's no money in that why are we there's no money in that why are we doing this it's those people there isn't doing this it's those people there isn't doing this it's those people there isn't any money yeah you know they're not any money yeah you know they're not any money yeah you know they're not tithing they're not kids who have tithing they're not kids who have tithing they're not kids who have tithing parents or you know or potential tithing parents or you know or potential tithing parents or you know or potential tithing parents and so I frankly I think tithing parents and so I frankly I think tithing parents and so I frankly I think that's a part of the reason why college that's a part of the reason why college that's a part of the reason why college ministry gets starved but listen ministry gets starved but listen ministry gets starved but listen listen to what what we're saying here listen to what what we're saying here listen to what what we're saying here you if you do that you're it's a little you if you do that you're it's a little you if you do that you're it's a little bit of your cutting off your nose to bit of your cutting off your nose to bit of your cutting off your nose to spite your face because you know spite your face because you know spite your face because you know reaching out to college students is reaching out to college students is reaching out to college students is about impacting the next generation it's about impacting the next generation it's about impacting the next generation it's about saying how do we keep a fresh flow about saying how do we keep a fresh flow about saying how do we keep a fresh flow of you know young leaders into the of you know young leaders into the of you know young leaders into the organization whether they end up on your organization whether they end up on your organization whether they end up on your staff or whether they just end up in staff or whether they just end up in staff or whether they just end up in leadership roles and volunteer places or leadership roles and volunteer places or leadership roles and volunteer places or you know that or whether you know five you know that or whether you know five you know that or whether you know five years from now they're they're living in years from now they're they're living in years from now they're they're living in in your community and our active part of in your community and our active part of in your community and our active part of this and they're just you know they're I this and they're just you know they're I this and they're just you know they're I do think that we take unfortunately a do think that we take unfortunately a do think that we take unfortunately a lot of church leaders can take a lot of church leaders can take a lot of church leaders can take a short-term view on college students short-term view on college students short-term view on college students unfortunately yeah I mean I think you unfortunately yeah I mean I think you unfortunately yeah I mean I think you nailed it right there you know and we nailed it right there you know and we nailed it right there you know and we saw this and this was such a blessing saw this and this was such a blessing saw this and this was such a blessing for us to see coming out of the summit for us to see coming out of the summit for us to see coming out of the summit church and recognizing that that church church and recognizing that that church church and recognizing that that church leaders they have to have a more leaders they have to have a more leaders they have to have a more long-term view like we're saying you long-term view like we're saying you long-term view like we're saying you know we brought with us 10 students that know we brought with us 10 students that know we brought with us 10 students that had recently graduated from some of the had recently graduated from some of the had recently graduated from some of the schools in the Triangle from North schools in the Triangle from North schools in the Triangle from North Carolina from UNC and what was really Carolina from UNC and what was really Carolina from UNC and what was really cool is we saw that these students which cool is we saw that these students which cool is we saw that these students which again you think in their student life again you think in their student life again you think in their student life not very contributing members of the

not very contributing members of the not very contributing members of the church and financially but what has church and financially but what has church and financially but what has happened is they have now become an happened is they have now become an happened is they have now become an integral part of our church as young integral part of our church as young integral part of our church as young adults where they're starting families adults where they're starting families adults where they're starting families where they are establishing themselves where they are establishing themselves where they are establishing themselves as leaders in the community and and now as leaders in the community and and now as leaders in the community and and now they are significant contributing they are significant contributing they are significant contributing members in our church and that is members in our church and that is members in our church and that is because they have learned and understood because they have learned and understood because they have learned and understood the value of not just the local church the value of not just the local church the value of not just the local church but your local church you know because but your local church you know because but your local church you know because they love your local church because of they love your local church because of they love your local church because of what you've done to invest in them and what you've done to invest in them and what you've done to invest in them and so yeah whether it's staff members which so yeah whether it's staff members which so yeah whether it's staff members which you know again I said we have we have you know again I said we have we have you know again I said we have we have plenty of those or whether it's seeing plenty of those or whether it's seeing plenty of those or whether it's seeing those students decide because I love my those students decide because I love my those students decide because I love my local church so much I'm not going to local church so much I'm not going to local church so much I'm not going to move back home I'm going to stay here move back home I'm going to stay here move back home I'm going to stay here and I'm going to plant myself here in and I'm going to plant myself here in and I'm going to plant myself here in this community I want my family to be this community I want my family to be this community I want my family to be raised in this church and what ends up raised in this church and what ends up raised in this church and what ends up happening is over the course of you know happening is over the course of you know happening is over the course of you know several years you end up building not several years you end up building not several years you end up building not just a staff you build a church of just a staff you build a church of just a staff you build a church of people that have been with you people that have been with you people that have been with you significantly and and so it for us it's significantly and and so it for us it's significantly and and so it for us it's always been hey always been hey always been hey we're planning this church you know with we're planning this church you know with we're planning this church you know with 30 years in mind yeah 3 yeah and if 30 years in mind yeah 3 yeah and if 30 years in mind yeah 3 yeah and if that's the case then what do we need to that's the case then what do we need to that's the case then what do we need to be doing to see the sustainability I'm be doing to see the sustainability I'm be doing to see the sustainability I'm forward this is the uncen airy podcast forward this is the uncen airy podcast forward this is the uncen airy podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary stuff you wish they taught in seminary stuff you wish they taught in seminary well we're going to jump into the well we're going to jump into the well we're going to jump into the lightning round that part of the episode lightning round that part of the episode lightning round that part of the episode where we ask similar questions of where we ask similar questions of where we ask similar questions of everybody that's on the show today I'm everybody that's on the show today I'm everybody that's on the show today I'm honored to have Jeremy dagger with us honored to have Jeremy dagger with us honored to have Jeremy dagger with us from mercy Hill Church in greensboro from mercy Hill Church in greensboro from mercy Hill Church in greensboro north carolina which by the way has a north carolina which by the way has a north carolina which by the way has a very nice airport i do like the very nice airport i do like the very nice airport i do like the greensboro airport it's it nice and very greensboro airport it's it nice and very greensboro airport it's it nice and very convene berry convenient easy to get in

convene berry convenient easy to get in convene berry convenient easy to get in and out of if you're ever down that that and out of if you're ever down that that and out of if you're ever down that that part of the world so what's an online part of the world so what's an online part of the world so what's an online resource Jeremy that you're using these resource Jeremy that you're using these resource Jeremy that you're using these days it's that's particularly helpful in days it's that's particularly helpful in days it's that's particularly helpful in your ministry yeah I already said it and your ministry yeah I already said it and your ministry yeah I already said it and I don't know if they're going to give me I don't know if they're going to give me I don't know if they're going to give me any type of compensation fellowship one any type of compensation fellowship one any type of compensation fellowship one is the is the resource that our church is the is the resource that our church is the is the resource that our church has chosen as a database we use it for has chosen as a database we use it for has chosen as a database we use it for check-in in our kids ministry and other check-in in our kids ministry and other check-in in our kids ministry and other events as well as with all you know events as well as with all you know events as well as with all you know technological tools it certainly got its technological tools it certainly got its technological tools it certainly got its its frustrations but overall we've just its frustrations but overall we've just its frustrations but overall we've just learned man that it is this it's a learned man that it is this it's a learned man that it is this it's a pastoral tool Jackson it's a tool that's pastoral tool Jackson it's a tool that's pastoral tool Jackson it's a tool that's not just helpful in in terms of some of not just helpful in in terms of some of not just helpful in in terms of some of them look more logistical things it's them look more logistical things it's them look more logistical things it's really help for pastorally in helping really help for pastorally in helping really help for pastorally in helping people not to fall through the cracks people not to fall through the cracks people not to fall through the cracks and I explain how that kind of played and I explain how that kind of played and I explain how that kind of played out for us in our collegiate ministry out for us in our collegiate ministry out for us in our collegiate ministry but it's been really helpful for us to but it's been really helpful for us to but it's been really helpful for us to embrace that intentional piece and embrace that intentional piece and embrace that intentional piece and seeing people not fall through the seeing people not fall through the seeing people not fall through the cracks of our church absolutely I was cracks of our church absolutely I was cracks of our church absolutely I was just just literally yesterday was just just literally yesterday was just just literally yesterday was speaking with a church leader about speaking with a church leader about speaking with a church leader about their database and you know they were their database and you know they were their database and you know they were bemoaning it and we're like I don't know bemoaning it and we're like I don't know bemoaning it and we're like I don't know and I said exactly the same thing you and I said exactly the same thing you and I said exactly the same thing you said listen you you've got to get your said listen you you've got to get your said listen you you've got to get your head around that once your ministry gets head around that once your ministry gets head around that once your ministry gets beyond maybe a hundred people you've got beyond maybe a hundred people you've got beyond maybe a hundred people you've got to use technology like a database as a to use technology like a database as a to use technology like a database as a pastoral tool as a way to you know don't pastoral tool as a way to you know don't pastoral tool as a way to you know don't look at this is like you know it's like look at this is like you know it's like look at this is like you know it's like some sort of technology thing it's about some sort of technology thing it's about some sort of technology thing it's about getting people connected for sure it is getting people connected for sure it is getting people connected for sure it is and I really appreciate your word on and I really appreciate your word on and I really appreciate your word on that what's a book that you've read I that what's a book that you've read I that what's a book that you've read I don't know in the last six months to a don't know in the last six months to a don't know in the last six months to a year that's shaping your thinking in

year that's shaping your thinking in year that's shaping your thinking in ministry yeah I thought it to in ministry yeah I thought it to in ministry yeah I thought it to in particular and they're more personal you particular and they're more personal you particular and they're more personal you know we've been running at a pretty fast know we've been running at a pretty fast know we've been running at a pretty fast pace for the last four years pace for the last four years pace for the last four years my wife is pregnant currently with our my wife is pregnant currently with our my wife is pregnant currently with our fourth child we adopted in these last fourth child we adopted in these last fourth child we adopted in these last four years that's amazing so so for me four years that's amazing so so for me four years that's amazing so so for me I've been reading a lot of books that I've been reading a lot of books that I've been reading a lot of books that pertain to my own kind of personal pertain to my own kind of personal pertain to my own kind of personal spiritual health I read mark Buchanan's spiritual health I read mark Buchanan's spiritual health I read mark Buchanan's book you know the rest of God and then book you know the rest of God and then book you know the rest of God and then I've recently finished genre vers books I've recently finished genre vers books I've recently finished genre vers books so keeping where he's kind of so keeping where he's kind of so keeping where he's kind of highlighting the life of Dallas Willard highlighting the life of Dallas Willard highlighting the life of Dallas Willard and both of those books for me as a and both of those books for me as a and both of those books for me as a pastor were hugely impactful for my soul pastor were hugely impactful for my soul pastor were hugely impactful for my soul which I've realized if I'm not like war which I've realized if I'm not like war which I've realized if I'm not like war crimes talking with I'm not keeping my crimes talking with I'm not keeping my crimes talking with I'm not keeping my soul I'm really no good to my family I'm soul I'm really no good to my family I'm soul I'm really no good to my family I'm no good to my church and the people that no good to my church and the people that no good to my church and the people that that God has placed me before so those that God has placed me before so those that God has placed me before so those of those books I've read very recently of those books I've read very recently of those books I've read very recently and they have been immensely helpful for and they have been immensely helpful for and they have been immensely helpful for me pass for illegal very cool what's me pass for illegal very cool what's me pass for illegal very cool what's another ministry you're looking to another ministry you're looking to another ministry you're looking to that's that's inspiring you these days that's that's inspiring you these days that's that's inspiring you these days yeah i mean i'd be remiss if i didn't yeah i mean i'd be remiss if i didn't yeah i mean i'd be remiss if i didn't say the summit church those guys have say the summit church those guys have say the summit church those guys have been beyond helpful i think any church been beyond helpful i think any church been beyond helpful i think any church leader that is interested in learning leader that is interested in learning leader that is interested in learning how to grow into to do ministry well how to grow into to do ministry well how to grow into to do ministry well would would they be served well by would would they be served well by would would they be served well by looking into the summit there an open looking into the summit there an open looking into the summit there an open book they're so helpful for us one other book they're so helpful for us one other book they're so helpful for us one other ministry that that's it's a parachurch ministry that that's it's a parachurch ministry that that's it's a parachurch ministry that we've benefited from great ministry that we've benefited from great ministry that we've benefited from great leighs campus outreach okay the students leighs campus outreach okay the students leighs campus outreach okay the students I talked to you about the king with us I talked to you about the king with us I talked to you about the king with us they were with campus outreach and I

they were with campus outreach and I they were with campus outreach and I think as we've been able to have a think as we've been able to have a think as we've been able to have a really good relationship with them back really good relationship with them back really good relationship with them back at the summit and now here in Greensboro at the summit and now here in Greensboro at the summit and now here in Greensboro we've just really learned a lot from we've just really learned a lot from we've just really learned a lot from them about how to be super relationally them about how to be super relationally them about how to be super relationally intentional with college students and intentional with college students and intentional with college students and having that long term view in mind having that long term view in mind having that long term view in mind campus outreach has done a great job at campus outreach has done a great job at campus outreach has done a great job at seeing the student but seeing them seeing the student but seeing them seeing the student but seeing them beyond their college years as well and beyond their college years as well and beyond their college years as well and so we've just learned a lot from them in so we've just learned a lot from them in so we've just learned a lot from them in terms of ministry philosophy very cool terms of ministry philosophy very cool terms of ministry philosophy very cool if you could get 15 minutes with any if you could get 15 minutes with any if you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive who would you want to get leader alive who would you want to get leader alive who would you want to get that with and why yeah um I'd say bono that with and why yeah um I'd say bono that with and why yeah um I'd say bono oh nice yeah yeah i mean really just oh nice yeah yeah i mean really just oh nice yeah yeah i mean really just because who wouldn't want to say that because who wouldn't want to say that because who wouldn't want to say that they spent 15 minutes Avant very true they spent 15 minutes Avant very true they spent 15 minutes Avant very true very true you know I remember the first very true you know I remember the first very true you know I remember the first time I listen to you two I thought man time I listen to you two I thought man time I listen to you two I thought man these guys are incredible loss probably these guys are incredible loss probably these guys are incredible loss probably 13 years old and yeah and I just kind of 13 years old and yeah and I just kind of 13 years old and yeah and I just kind of think about him and just the iconic think about him and just the iconic think about him and just the iconic Fisher that he is not just in the music Fisher that he is not just in the music Fisher that he is not just in the music industry but industry but industry but and shaping culture and so I would out and shaping culture and so I would out and shaping culture and so I would out love to pick that guy's brain yeah sure love to pick that guy's brain yeah sure love to pick that guy's brain yeah sure it's it's a it's a gold mine to be to be it's it's a it's a gold mine to be to be it's it's a it's a gold mine to be to be mined for sure absolutely get emotive mined for sure absolutely get emotive mined for sure absolutely get emotive than the other day and how relationally than the other day and how relationally than the other day and how relationally those guys have been able to hold it those guys have been able to hold it those guys have been able to hold it together all these years yeah which is together all these years yeah which is together all these years yeah which is pretty amazing when you think about it pretty amazing when you think about it pretty amazing when you think about it you know got creatives who you know you know got creatives who you know you know got creatives who you know bottles larger-than-life personality the bottles larger-than-life personality the bottles larger-than-life personality the edge is larger than life personality and edge is larger than life personality and edge is larger than life personality and they've been able to say you know play they've been able to say you know play they've been able to say you know play where the streets have no name they'd where the streets have no name they'd where the streets have no name they'd have been able to do that for 30 years have been able to do that for 30 years have been able to do that for 30 years um and and still seem to enjoy it like

um and and still seem to enjoy it like um and and still seem to enjoy it like they genuinely when you because i saw they genuinely when you because i saw they genuinely when you because i saw this clip where they were all talking this clip where they were all talking this clip where they were all talking together as a band and I'm like those together as a band and I'm like those together as a band and I'm like those guys actually seem like they like each guys actually seem like they like each guys actually seem like they like each other which is pretty of an amazing feat other which is pretty of an amazing feat other which is pretty of an amazing feat outside of all the music and all that outside of all the music and all that outside of all the music and all that it's an amazing feat that they can just it's an amazing feat that they can just it's an amazing feat that they can just get out the other it really really is get out the other it really really is get out the other it really really is that's a great point nice all right well that's a great point nice all right well that's a great point nice all right well I mean your personal life when you just I mean your personal life when you just I mean your personal life when you just want to kick back relax what is it that want to kick back relax what is it that want to kick back relax what is it that you that you like to do for fun this is you that you like to do for fun this is you that you like to do for fun this is a this is hard for me to admit I grew up a this is hard for me to admit I grew up a this is hard for me to admit I grew up in Philly so I'm a northeastern ER they in Philly so I'm a northeastern ER they in Philly so I'm a northeastern ER they call me the Yankee down here safe I'm call me the Yankee down here safe I'm call me the Yankee down here safe I'm slowly have you slowly become a redneck slowly have you slowly become a redneck slowly have you slowly become a redneck and so I I like to hunt and fish now oh and so I I like to hunt and fish now oh and so I I like to hunt and fish now oh my family which all they all live back my family which all they all live back my family which all they all live back up north they they just think I'm the up north they they just think I'm the up north they they just think I'm the Anathem oh so they but I love it deer Anathem oh so they but I love it deer Anathem oh so they but I love it deer seasons it plays upon us here in the seasons it plays upon us here in the seasons it plays upon us here in the next couple weeks and so I never thought next couple weeks and so I never thought next couple weeks and so I never thought I'd say this but you know I'm dear fever I'd say this but you know I'm dear fever I'd say this but you know I'm dear fever right now I can't wait to get in the right now I can't wait to get in the right now I can't wait to get in the woods and and like i said i'll turn a woods and and like i said i'll turn a woods and and like i said i'll turn a big truck now I don't know what has big truck now I don't know what has big truck now I don't know what has become with me but that's what I do just become with me but that's what I do just become with me but that's what I do just sit sitting outside in the woods it's sit sitting outside in the woods it's sit sitting outside in the woods it's peaceful and so that's where my life is peaceful and so that's where my life is peaceful and so that's where my life is now that's great well Jeremy I now that's great well Jeremy I now that's great well Jeremy I appreciate you so much for being on the appreciate you so much for being on the appreciate you so much for being on the show today if people want to get in show today if people want to get in show today if people want to get in touch with you or with the church well touch with you or with the church well touch with you or with the church well how can they do that yeah they can visit how can they do that yeah they can visit how can they do that yeah they can visit our websites WWE mercy Hill gso com or our websites WWE mercy Hill gso com or our websites WWE mercy Hill gso com or they can contact me personally it's just they can contact me personally it's just they can contact me personally it's just jay dagger dher at mercy hill gso calm I jay dagger dher at mercy hill gso calm I jay dagger dher at mercy hill gso calm I mean we've learned a lot but we have a

mean we've learned a lot but we have a mean we've learned a lot but we have a lot that we feel like we're learning so lot that we feel like we're learning so lot that we feel like we're learning so we weren't open book to anybody that we weren't open book to anybody that we weren't open book to anybody that would like to would like to would like to our brains nice thank you so much Jeremy our brains nice thank you so much Jeremy our brains nice thank you so much Jeremy appreciate the other show today thanks appreciate the other show today thanks appreciate the other show today thanks rich thank you for tuning in to this rich thank you for tuning in to this rich thank you for tuning in to this week's unsung re podcast don't be shy week's unsung re podcast don't be shy week's unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out uncen re we'd love to connect check out uncen re we'd love to connect check out uncen re inbox you can sign up at unsummon re inbox you can sign up at unsummon re inbox you can sign up at unsummon re calm and we'll send you helpful training calm and we'll send you helpful training calm and we'll send you helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain resources every week plus you'll gain resources every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive immediate access to our exclusive immediate access to our exclusive members area with tons of resources you members area with tons of resources you members area with tons of resources you can use connect with rich on Twitter add can use connect with rich on Twitter add can use connect with rich on Twitter add rich birch or through email rich at rich birch or through email rich at rich birch or through email rich at unsummon re calm don't forget to check unsummon re calm don't forget to check unsummon re calm don't forget to check out the show notes for this episode at out the show notes for this episode at out the show notes for this episode at unset Maneri com it includes links to unset Maneri com it includes links to unset Maneri com it includes links to what we talked about today and more what we talked about today and more what we talked about today and more leave a comment we'd love to hear from leave a comment we'd love to hear from leave a comment we'd love to hear from you did you enjoy today's episode drop you did you enjoy today's episode drop you did you enjoy today's episode drop by itunes and leave a review thanks by itunes and leave a review thanks by itunes and leave a review thanks again for tuning in to this week's on again for tuning in to this week's on again for tuning in to this week's on seminary podcast join us next week when seminary podcast join us next week when seminary podcast join us next week when we'll learn more stuff we wish they we'll learn more stuff we wish they we'll learn more stuff we wish they taught in seminary taught in seminary taught in seminary [Music]