Two Years In: Was Retiring in Portugal Worth the Compromises?

Meet Jamie. He and his wife wanted to Meet Jamie. He and his wife wanted to move abroad. move abroad. move abroad. >> Can we imagine ourselves here? And we >> Can we imagine ourselves here? And we >> Can we imagine ourselves here? And we did. did. did. >> But sometimes plans change. >> But sometimes plans change. >> But sometimes plans change. >> We got a phone call from our daughter >> We got a phone call from our daughter >> We got a phone call from our daughter and uh she said, "Guess what? You're and uh she said, "Guess what? You're and uh she said, "Guess what? You're going to be grandparents." going to be grandparents." going to be grandparents." >> Now that they're in Portugal, what do >> Now that they're in Portugal, what do >> Now that they're in Portugal, what do they think of the cost? they think of the cost? they think of the cost? >> The cost of living was was definitely >> The cost of living was was definitely >> The cost of living was was definitely something that made it really feasible. something that made it really feasible. something that made it really feasible. >> And the health care? >> And the health care? >> And the health care? >> It's just incredible. The the level of >> It's just incredible. The the level of >> It's just incredible. The the level of care and the affordability of the care care and the affordability of the care care and the affordability of the care was was great. was was great. was was great. >> So, what is life really like in Braga? >> So, what is life really like in Braga? >> So, what is life really like in Braga? >> I expressed to you that that was kind of >> I expressed to you that that was kind of >> I expressed to you that that was kind of my big concern as I was moving close to my big concern as I was moving close to my big concern as I was moving close to retirement is like, "What does my retirement is like, "What does my retirement is like, "What does my Tuesday look like?" Tuesday look like?" Tuesday look like?" >> Mhm. All right, Jamie. So, you moved >> Mhm. All right, Jamie. So, you moved >> Mhm. All right, Jamie. So, you moved from the US, retired, congrats. Moved from the US, retired, congrats. Moved from the US, retired, congrats. Moved from the US to Portugal. We're going to from the US to Portugal. We're going to from the US to Portugal. We're going to talk about why you chose Braga, but talk about why you chose Braga, but talk about why you chose Braga, but first, why did you choose Portugal as a first, why did you choose Portugal as a first, why did you choose Portugal as a retirement place anyway? retirement place anyway? retirement place anyway? >> Trying to do the quick story of of why >> Trying to do the quick story of of why >> Trying to do the quick story of of why is we had a conversation with my brother is we had a conversation with my brother is we had a conversation with my brother who's 10 years older than I am. They who's 10 years older than I am. They who's 10 years older than I am. They were going on a vacation uh to Portugal were going on a vacation uh to Portugal were going on a vacation uh to Portugal in 2019. And he and I do a ski trip in 2019. And he and I do a ski trip in 2019. And he and I do a ski trip every year with a group of guys. And every year with a group of guys. And every year with a group of guys. And we're having this conversation and I go, we're having this conversation and I go, we're having this conversation and I go, "What else you doing in the pipeline?" "What else you doing in the pipeline?" "What else you doing in the pipeline?" He says, uh "Oh, we're going on a trip He says, uh "Oh, we're going on a trip He says, uh "Oh, we're going on a trip to Portugal this summer." I was like, to Portugal this summer." I was like, to Portugal this summer." I was like, "Oh, man, I've heard great things from "Oh, man, I've heard great things from "Oh, man, I've heard great things from people that have visited." Um I said, people that have visited." Um I said, people that have visited." Um I said, "That would be so cool to go there." He "That would be so cool to go there." He "That would be so cool to go there." He goes, "You should come."

goes, "You should come." goes, "You should come." >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And I was like, "Okay." Uh we found out >> And I was like, "Okay." Uh we found out >> And I was like, "Okay." Uh we found out later that it was their anniversary trip later that it was their anniversary trip later that it was their anniversary trip and I [laughter] and I [laughter] and I [laughter] >> And you invited yourself? >> And you invited yourself? >> And you invited yourself? >> Invited ourself on the anniversary trip, >> Invited ourself on the anniversary trip, >> Invited ourself on the anniversary trip, but it was in that moment, I think but it was in that moment, I think but it was in that moment, I think something you hear people say frequently something you hear people say frequently something you hear people say frequently is, is, is, you know, can I imagine myself there? you know, can I imagine myself there? you know, can I imagine myself there? And we do that wherever we go. And as And we do that wherever we go. And as And we do that wherever we go. And as we're going around a couple different we're going around a couple different we're going around a couple different places in in Portugal on that trip, we places in in Portugal on that trip, we places in in Portugal on that trip, we were like, can we imagine ourselves were like, can we imagine ourselves were like, can we imagine ourselves here? And we did. So much so that we here? And we did. So much so that we here? And we did. So much so that we came back in 2022 and that was with the came back in 2022 and that was with the came back in 2022 and that was with the intent of trying to see if we could and intent of trying to see if we could and intent of trying to see if we could and what it would look like. I think that's what it would look like. I think that's what it would look like. I think that's we'd watched your guys' videos and we we'd watched your guys' videos and we we'd watched your guys' videos and we contacted you guys for some help on what contacted you guys for some help on what contacted you guys for some help on what to do and how to do it. And Portugal had to do and how to do it. And Portugal had to do and how to do it. And Portugal had at that moment, you know, some benefits at that moment, you know, some benefits at that moment, you know, some benefits in terms of taxes, some benefits in in terms of taxes, some benefits in in terms of taxes, some benefits in terms of cost of living, that made an terms of cost of living, that made an terms of cost of living, that made an early retirement possible for us. So, I early retirement possible for us. So, I early retirement possible for us. So, I think one, we really liked the place. think one, we really liked the place. think one, we really liked the place. Two, a little bit easier to get here Two, a little bit easier to get here Two, a little bit easier to get here than other places. And three, the cost than other places. And three, the cost than other places. And three, the cost of living was was definitely something of living was was definitely something of living was was definitely something that made it really feasible.

that made it really feasible. that made it really feasible. >> So, it wasn't really on your radar to >> So, it wasn't really on your radar to >> So, it wasn't really on your radar to retire and move abroad until you came on retire and move abroad until you came on retire and move abroad until you came on this trip and then this trip and then this trip and then >> We had an opportunity somewhere 2013, >> We had an opportunity somewhere 2013, >> We had an opportunity somewhere 2013, 2014. I'd been gone to an international 2014. I'd been gone to an international 2014. I'd been gone to an international school fair cuz I had sort of this school fair cuz I had sort of this school fair cuz I had sort of this wanderlust still. I want to go teach wanderlust still. I want to go teach wanderlust still. I want to go teach somewhere else. I want to see I want to somewhere else. I want to see I want to somewhere else. I want to see I want to do this somewhere else. So, we went to do this somewhere else. So, we went to do this somewhere else. So, we went to this international school fair. It was this international school fair. It was this international school fair. It was in Iowa, middle of sinking nowhere in in Iowa, middle of sinking nowhere in in Iowa, middle of sinking nowhere in January. Not exactly the most glamorous January. Not exactly the most glamorous January. Not exactly the most glamorous place to be in January. But, we went place to be in January. But, we went place to be in January. But, we went there and I got a job offer to teach in there and I got a job offer to teach in there and I got a job offer to teach in South Korea, Korean International School South Korea, Korean International School South Korea, Korean International School in Seoul. And I had some friends that in Seoul. And I had some friends that in Seoul. And I had some friends that had taught there. We had this sort of had taught there. We had this sort of had taught there. We had this sort of underlying I certainly had this underlying I certainly had this underlying I certainly had this underlying desire to go see someplace underlying desire to go see someplace underlying desire to go see someplace else. Would have loved to come to else. Would have loved to come to else. Would have loved to come to Europe, but that didn't materialize. So, Europe, but that didn't materialize. So, Europe, but that didn't materialize. So, we didn't end up going. Shortly after we didn't end up going. Shortly after we didn't end up going. Shortly after getting the job offer, we got a phone getting the job offer, we got a phone getting the job offer, we got a phone call from our daughter and uh she said, call from our daughter and uh she said, call from our daughter and uh she said, "Guess what? You're going to be "Guess what? You're going to be "Guess what? You're going to be grandparents." grandparents." grandparents." >> Oh, and was that the first? >> Oh, and was that the first? >> Oh, and was that the first? >> was the first. >> was the first. >> was the first. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Leanne looked at me and she said, "I'll >> Leanne looked at me and she said, "I'll >> Leanne looked at me and she said, "I'll do whatever you want to do." And I was do whatever you want to do." And I was do whatever you want to do." And I was like, "Oh, heck no." like, "Oh, heck no." like, "Oh, heck no." >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I was like, "No, no. I was like, this >> I was like, "No, no. I was like, this >> I was like, "No, no. I was like, this isn't a this is not a me." So, it's a isn't a this is not a me." So, it's a isn't a this is not a me." So, it's a long story just to say we've always had long story just to say we've always had long story just to say we've always had sort of this thing sitting in the sort of this thing sitting in the sort of this thing sitting in the background of I'd like to live in background of I'd like to live in background of I'd like to live in someplace else. I'd like to experience a someplace else. I'd like to experience a someplace else. I'd like to experience a different place. And my brother inviting different place. And my brother inviting different place. And my brother inviting us us us >> Oh, yeah.

>> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> to go on that trip sort of reignited >> to go on that trip sort of reignited >> to go on that trip sort of reignited that and uh became became way more that and uh became became way more that and uh became became way more feasible as we moved closer to feasible as we moved closer to feasible as we moved closer to uh retirement. uh retirement. uh retirement. >> Had you looked at any other places uh >> Had you looked at any other places uh >> Had you looked at any other places uh besides Portugal? besides Portugal? besides Portugal? >> Honestly, no. I think >> Honestly, no. I think >> Honestly, no. I think in the back of our minds, Spain was in the back of our minds, Spain was in the back of our minds, Spain was something that were Italy was definitely something that were Italy was definitely something that were Italy was definitely someplace that would that was there. someplace that would that was there. someplace that would that was there. But, you know, when you start looking at But, you know, when you start looking at But, you know, when you start looking at the visa process, Portugal made it a lot the visa process, Portugal made it a lot the visa process, Portugal made it a lot more accessible. So, no, we hadn't more accessible. So, no, we hadn't more accessible. So, no, we hadn't looked at anything else. looked at anything else. looked at anything else. >> Okay. So, cost-wise it allowed you to >> Okay. So, cost-wise it allowed you to >> Okay. So, cost-wise it allowed you to retire a little earlier than you had retire a little earlier than you had retire a little earlier than you had thought. thought. thought. >> So, we retired at I think for us as in >> So, we retired at I think for us as in >> So, we retired at I think for us as in education, you know, 60 to 62 is kind of education, you know, 60 to 62 is kind of education, you know, 60 to 62 is kind of the norm. And so, it was a little bit the norm. And so, it was a little bit the norm. And so, it was a little bit earlier. It was a little bit earlier. earlier. It was a little bit earlier. earlier. It was a little bit earlier. >> So, what are some big cost differences >> So, what are some big cost differences >> So, what are some big cost differences that you're seeing from living in the US that you're seeing from living in the US that you're seeing from living in the US to living here? to living here? to living here? >> You know, people always talk about the >> You know, people always talk about the >> You know, people always talk about the tax thing. But where we lived in tax thing. But where we lived in tax thing. But where we lived in Illinois, property taxes, the place that Illinois, property taxes, the place that Illinois, property taxes, the place that we lived in were about a thousand bucks we lived in were about a thousand bucks we lived in were about a thousand bucks a month. You look at that, and then if a month. You look at that, and then if a month. You look at that, and then if we were going to retire earlier, to pay we were going to retire earlier, to pay we were going to retire earlier, to pay for health care before retiring, before for health care before retiring, before for health care before retiring, before being 65, before having access to being 65, before having access to being 65, before having access to Medicare, I mean, you're talking 25, 30 Medicare, I mean, you're talking 25, 30 Medicare, I mean, you're talking 25, 30 thousand dollars a year to pay. It was thousand dollars a year to pay. It was thousand dollars a year to pay. It was not something that we could do. It was not something that we could do. It was not something that we could do. It was that just It was It was untenable.

that just It was It was untenable. that just It was It was untenable. >> And have you been in the health industry >> And have you been in the health industry >> And have you been in the health industry here? Like have you Have you gone to here? Like have you Have you gone to here? Like have you Have you gone to doctors, dentists? What have you done? doctors, dentists? What have you done? doctors, dentists? What have you done? [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] >> you know, I have a >> you know, I have a >> you know, I have a dentist and I have a long history. dentist and I have a long history. dentist and I have a long history. Jokingly, and I was able to go on a Jokingly, and I was able to go on a Jokingly, and I was able to go on a speech trip this year. I had to see a speech trip this year. I had to see a speech trip this year. I had to see a dentist there because I had a little bit dentist there because I had a little bit dentist there because I had a little bit of a dental emergency. of a dental emergency. of a dental emergency. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I joke that, you know, sailors might >> I joke that, you know, sailors might >> I joke that, you know, sailors might have a girl in every port, and they got have a girl in every port, and they got have a girl in every port, and they got a dentist in every city. [laughter] a dentist in every city. [laughter] a dentist in every city. [laughter] >> That's funny. >> That's funny. >> That's funny. >> So, I've been healthy most of my I've, >> So, I've been healthy most of my I've, >> So, I've been healthy most of my I've, you know, you know, I've broken one bone you know, you know, I've broken one bone you know, you know, I've broken one bone in my entire life. But I had not a in my entire life. But I had not a in my entire life. But I had not a scare, but a moment. I went to the scare, but a moment. I went to the scare, but a moment. I went to the doctor for a regular checkup, took my doctor for a regular checkup, took my doctor for a regular checkup, took my blood pressure. Blood pressure was high. blood pressure. Blood pressure was high. blood pressure. Blood pressure was high. He said, "Hey, let's hold on, and maybe He said, "Hey, let's hold on, and maybe He said, "Hey, let's hold on, and maybe have white coat syndrome." And have white coat syndrome." And have white coat syndrome." And in that, you know, moment we're talking, in that, you know, moment we're talking, in that, you know, moment we're talking, and he takes it again, it's still high. and he takes it again, it's still high. and he takes it again, it's still high. And he looks at me and goes, "Do you And he looks at me and goes, "Do you And he looks at me and goes, "Do you have any chest pains?" And I'm like, have any chest pains?" And I'm like, have any chest pains?" And I'm like, "No." "No." "No." >> Should [laughter] I be? >> Should [laughter] I be? >> Should [laughter] I be? >> "No." >> "No." >> "No." Uh and takes one more time, it's still Uh and takes one more time, it's still Uh and takes one more time, it's still high. I had very high blood pressure. high. I had very high blood pressure. high. I had very high blood pressure. The first one he took, it was 180 over The first one he took, it was 180 over The first one he took, it was 180 over 120, which I've always had right on the 120, which I've always had right on the 120, which I've always had right on the border, but it's way higher than it it's border, but it's way higher than it it's border, but it's way higher than it it's supposed to be. So, in that, he then supposed to be. So, in that, he then supposed to be. So, in that, he then said, "You know what? I'm going to write said, "You know what? I'm going to write said, "You know what? I'm going to write prescriptions for all these different prescriptions for all these different prescriptions for all these different tests I'd like you to have done." I had tests I'd like you to have done." I had tests I'd like you to have done." I had a full blood workup. I had to wear a a full blood workup. I had to wear a a full blood workup. I had to wear a device around walking around town for, I device around walking around town for, I device around walking around town for, I think it was like 48 hours or something think it was like 48 hours or something think it was like 48 hours or something like that. And every 20 minutes, like like that. And every 20 minutes, like like that. And every 20 minutes, like three times an hour, I just stopped it.

three times an hour, I just stopped it. three times an hour, I just stopped it. And then it would cuz it wanted to know, And then it would cuz it wanted to know, And then it would cuz it wanted to know, you know, in every moment of the day, you know, in every moment of the day, you know, in every moment of the day, whatever you're doing, what is it? whatever you're doing, what is it? whatever you're doing, what is it? >> Uh-huh. >> Uh-huh. >> Uh-huh. >> It's difficult to sleep with, but it was >> It's difficult to sleep with, but it was >> It's difficult to sleep with, but it was it between that, blood work, did an it between that, blood work, did an it between that, blood work, did an ultrasound on my heart, ultrasound on my heart, ultrasound on my heart, all of that. And it was done within, you all of that. And it was done within, you all of that. And it was done within, you know, a week. All those wrote the know, a week. All those wrote the know, a week. All those wrote the prescriptions, it's done within a week. prescriptions, it's done within a week. prescriptions, it's done within a week. And in terms of cost, it was very And in terms of cost, it was very And in terms of cost, it was very reasonable. reasonable. reasonable. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh it's just incredible the the level of it's just incredible the the level of it's just incredible the the level of care and the affordability of the care care and the affordability of the care care and the affordability of the care was was great. And then I'll pitch out was was great. And then I'll pitch out was was great. And then I'll pitch out again that, you know, something we got again that, you know, something we got again that, you know, something we got from you with Serenity was incredibly from you with Serenity was incredibly from you with Serenity was incredibly helpful helpful helpful in getting us doctors and dentists that in getting us doctors and dentists that in getting us doctors and dentists that spoke English. Our language skills are spoke English. Our language skills are spoke English. Our language skills are coming along slowly, but you know, it's coming along slowly, but you know, it's coming along slowly, but you know, it's very helpful to have somebody that you very helpful to have somebody that you very helpful to have somebody that you can, especially in the medical field can, especially in the medical field can, especially in the medical field with all the different terminology. with all the different terminology. with all the different terminology. >> Right, yeah. >> Right, yeah. >> Right, yeah. >> It's really helpful to be able to talk >> It's really helpful to be able to talk >> It's really helpful to be able to talk to somebody in English. to somebody in English. to somebody in English. >> And this is in Braga? >> And this is in Braga? >> And this is in Braga? >> This is all in Braga. I feel very good >> This is all in Braga. I feel very good >> This is all in Braga. I feel very good about the love care. And it's one of the about the love care. And it's one of the about the love care. And it's one of the questions I get from people, colleagues questions I get from people, colleagues questions I get from people, colleagues that I work with, or family members, so that I work with, or family members, so that I work with, or family members, so so so how's the health care? It's like so so how's the health care? It's like so so how's the health care? It's like they think I've moved, you know, to they think I've moved, you know, to they think I've moved, you know, to another planet or some place, you know, another planet or some place, you know, another planet or some place, you know, where they only have dirt roads or where they only have dirt roads or where they only have dirt roads or something.

something. something. And And And the reality is the level of health care the reality is the level of health care the reality is the level of health care has been excellent, absolutely has been excellent, absolutely has been excellent, absolutely excellent. We're fortunate to have excellent. We're fortunate to have excellent. We're fortunate to have private insurance. private insurance. private insurance. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But, you know, it's still it the level >> But, you know, it's still it the level >> But, you know, it's still it the level of care has been been outstanding. of care has been been outstanding. of care has been been outstanding. >> All right, guys, so let's talk about >> All right, guys, so let's talk about >> All right, guys, so let's talk about Braga because you came on that guided Braga because you came on that guided Braga because you came on that guided trip in 2022. You took a look at trip in 2022. You took a look at trip in 2022. You took a look at different places around Portugal. Where different places around Portugal. Where different places around Portugal. Where did you look and why did you end up in did you look and why did you end up in did you look and why did you end up in Braga? Braga? Braga? >> We'd been in Lisbon. We didn't really >> We'd been in Lisbon. We didn't really >> We'd been in Lisbon. We didn't really look in terms of the first trip. We had look in terms of the first trip. We had look in terms of the first trip. We had been down in Albufeira. That was way been down in Albufeira. That was way been down in Albufeira. That was way more it was like a party town. We were more it was like a party town. We were more it was like a party town. We were in Alfegua, Alfegua up the Douro Valley. in Alfegua, Alfegua up the Douro Valley. in Alfegua, Alfegua up the Douro Valley. And then the second trip we came, we And then the second trip we came, we And then the second trip we came, we went to Stool, and then Foz do Douro. went to Stool, and then Foz do Douro. went to Stool, and then Foz do Douro. Foz do Douro was a little out of reach Foz do Douro was a little out of reach Foz do Douro was a little out of reach for us. And then we came to Braga, and for us. And then we came to Braga, and for us. And then we came to Braga, and for me, I think my soul lives in the for me, I think my soul lives in the for me, I think my soul lives in the mountains. And so being able to see the mountains. And so being able to see the mountains. And so being able to see the hills around Braga, Mhm. hills around Braga, Mhm. hills around Braga, Mhm. >> Uh, to see the green, I've always been >> Uh, to see the green, I've always been >> Uh, to see the green, I've always been more of a suburban kid and I love going more of a suburban kid and I love going more of a suburban kid and I love going to the mountains. I'm a skier. Being to the mountains. I'm a skier. Being to the mountains. I'm a skier. Being able to see the hills and be in the able to see the hills and be in the able to see the hills and be in the green fit really, really well for me. green fit really, really well for me. green fit really, really well for me. There was an element of compromise there There was an element of compromise there There was an element of compromise there between the two of us. You know, Leanne, between the two of us. You know, Leanne, between the two of us. You know, Leanne, I think she had a had her way, we would I think she had a had her way, we would I think she had a had her way, we would have been in Porto or Fajardo, been on have been in Porto or Fajardo, been on have been in Porto or Fajardo, been on the ocean.

the ocean. the ocean. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> That would have been number one for for >> That would have been number one for for >> That would have been number one for for Leanne, for sure. But, this was a Leanne, for sure. But, this was a Leanne, for sure. But, this was a compromise. It is really funny because compromise. It is really funny because compromise. It is really funny because in talking to our kids that had come, in talking to our kids that had come, in talking to our kids that had come, um, and visited, as well, we talked um, and visited, as well, we talked um, and visited, as well, we talked about the grandkids, daughter, about the grandkids, daughter, about the grandkids, daughter, son-in-law, and me and Leanne. Everybody son-in-law, and me and Leanne. Everybody son-in-law, and me and Leanne. Everybody said Braga except Leanne. said Braga except Leanne. said Braga except Leanne. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> That's funny. >> That's funny. >> That's funny. >> It is kind of funny and it strikes a >> It is kind of funny and it strikes a >> It is kind of funny and it strikes a chord. It's an incredibly livable place. chord. It's an incredibly livable place. chord. It's an incredibly livable place. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Um, it has everything you need. >> Um, it has everything you need. >> Um, it has everything you need. It's smallish, but not small. And then It's smallish, but not small. And then It's smallish, but not small. And then it's not too big. It, you know, it's not too big. It, you know, it's not too big. It, you know, call it the Goldilocks city. It's the call it the Goldilocks city. It's the call it the Goldilocks city. It's the the middle bed, you know, perfectly the middle bed, you know, perfectly the middle bed, you know, perfectly comfortable. comfortable. comfortable. >> All right. So, being retired and being >> All right. So, being retired and being >> All right. So, being retired and being in Braga, what does a normal day, a in Braga, what does a normal day, a in Braga, what does a normal day, a weekday look like for you? A Tuesday. weekday look like for you? A Tuesday. weekday look like for you? A Tuesday. >> What does my Tuesday look like? >> What does my Tuesday look like? >> What does my Tuesday look like? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I stressed to you that that was kind of >> I stressed to you that that was kind of >> I stressed to you that that was kind of my big concern as I was moving close to my big concern as I was moving close to my big concern as I was moving close to retirement. I was like, what does my retirement. I was like, what does my retirement. I was like, what does my Tuesday look like? Tuesday look like? Tuesday look like? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And I think the one of the things I've >> And I think the one of the things I've >> And I think the one of the things I've gotten used to, one of the things gotten used to, one of the things gotten used to, one of the things I don't think I've found my perfect my I don't think I've found my perfect my I don't think I've found my perfect my perfect day, my my absolute. What I've perfect day, my my absolute. What I've perfect day, my my absolute. What I've found is some routines. Yeah, um, found is some routines. Yeah, um, found is some routines. Yeah, um, we're working on our language. We, we're working on our language. We, we're working on our language. We, uh, went to language school at the the uh, went to language school at the the uh, went to language school at the the local high school for, um, the school local high school for, um, the school local high school for, um, the school year, the first year we were here. And year, the first year we were here. And year, the first year we were here. And then we, um, we're currently taking then we, um, we're currently taking then we, um, we're currently taking language question classes with, uh, a language question classes with, uh, a language question classes with, uh, a tutor. And so, a fair amount of our tutor. And so, a fair amount of our tutor. And so, a fair amount of our time, uh, our routine is studying and time, uh, our routine is studying and time, uh, our routine is studying and then going to language classes. And then going to language classes. And then going to language classes. And then, other than that, I think all of us then, other than that, I think all of us then, other than that, I think all of us need to find our people. We need to find need to find our people. We need to find need to find our people. We need to find our tribe. We need to find those that we our tribe. We need to find those that we our tribe. We need to find those that we enjoy being around. And so, while I

enjoy being around. And so, while I enjoy being around. And so, while I think some of the things I liked to do think some of the things I liked to do think some of the things I liked to do before, before, before, I don't have, I think connecting with I don't have, I think connecting with I don't have, I think connecting with people, people, people, the expat community here is phenomenal. the expat community here is phenomenal. the expat community here is phenomenal. And if you were to look at the WhatsApp And if you were to look at the WhatsApp And if you were to look at the WhatsApp Braga page and see, you know, the 40 to Braga page and see, you know, the 40 to Braga page and see, you know, the 40 to 50 different groups in there from paddle 50 different groups in there from paddle 50 different groups in there from paddle tennis to people like they think there's tennis to people like they think there's tennis to people like they think there's some guys that do like some guys that do like some guys that do like hand carving woodworking from the hand carving woodworking from the hand carving woodworking from the simplest things of just there's a Friday simplest things of just there's a Friday simplest things of just there's a Friday morning men's group that gets together morning men's group that gets together morning men's group that gets together for coffee. And for coffee. And for coffee. And it looks like the the old guys down, you it looks like the the old guys down, you it looks like the the old guys down, you know, at you know, I think of my dad know, at you know, I think of my dad know, at you know, I think of my dad going and visiting his buddies at at going and visiting his buddies at at going and visiting his buddies at at some local coffee shop in Lake Geneva, some local coffee shop in Lake Geneva, some local coffee shop in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Wisconsin. I feel like it's what I'm doing, you I feel like it's what I'm doing, you I feel like it's what I'm doing, you know. So, my routine is way more know. So, my routine is way more know. So, my routine is way more relaxed, but it's more centered on relaxed, but it's more centered on relaxed, but it's more centered on people and connecting with people than people and connecting with people than people and connecting with people than it is necessarily doing things. And I it is necessarily doing things. And I it is necessarily doing things. And I think my life previously was on doing think my life previously was on doing think my life previously was on doing stuff. All good, all stuff I enjoyed. stuff. All good, all stuff I enjoyed. stuff. All good, all stuff I enjoyed. And there's certainly some things like And there's certainly some things like And there's certainly some things like woodworking and gardening that I I miss.

woodworking and gardening that I I miss. woodworking and gardening that I I miss. But, I'm connecting more more with But, I'm connecting more more with But, I'm connecting more more with people, which is good. people, which is good. people, which is good. >> So, what do you think retirement would >> So, what do you think retirement would >> So, what do you think retirement would look like if you were back in the look like if you were back in the look like if you were back in the States? States? States? >> I'd probably think we'd try and be in >> I'd probably think we'd try and be in >> I'd probably think we'd try and be in the same place that we were. And I was the same place that we were. And I was the same place that we were. And I was the kind of guy that would sort of putz the kind of guy that would sort of putz the kind of guy that would sort of putz around the house. I liked around the house. I liked around the house. I liked fixing things, taking care of things. I fixing things, taking care of things. I fixing things, taking care of things. I loved gardening. I would find a need to loved gardening. I would find a need to loved gardening. I would find a need to build or do something. I had a decent build or do something. I had a decent build or do something. I had a decent set of tools that I I could build it. I set of tools that I I could build it. I set of tools that I I could build it. I enjoyed enjoyed enjoyed helping neighbors, you know, little helping neighbors, you know, little helping neighbors, you know, little projects that they might have. And so, I projects that they might have. And so, I projects that they might have. And so, I imagine I'd be doing that. I also imagine I'd be doing that. I also imagine I'd be doing that. I also coached soccer. I could still see myself coached soccer. I could still see myself coached soccer. I could still see myself doing that as well if it would have been doing that as well if it would have been doing that as well if it would have been there. But, I think there were things there. But, I think there were things there. But, I think there were things that I did that were part of my previous that I did that were part of my previous that I did that were part of my previous routine. I might have continued to routine. I might have continued to routine. I might have continued to substitute teach because we lived near substitute teach because we lived near substitute teach because we lived near the the school where we worked. But, the the school where we worked. But, the the school where we worked. But, there was a pretty clean break, there was a pretty clean break, there was a pretty clean break, obviously, moving this far away. And so, obviously, moving this far away. And so, obviously, moving this far away. And so, the things I did the things I did the things I did weren't necessarily possible. But, you weren't necessarily possible. But, you weren't necessarily possible. But, you can always find is the the connection to can always find is the the connection to can always find is the the connection to people. I will say that that is what has people. I will say that that is what has people. I will say that that is what has made it way more doable is is connecting made it way more doable is is connecting made it way more doable is is connecting with people.

with people. with people. >> Mhm. It it helps. Just makes a big >> Mhm. It it helps. Just makes a big >> Mhm. It it helps. Just makes a big difference. difference. difference. >> Do you think one is better than the >> Do you think one is better than the >> Do you think one is better than the other? other? other? >> No. I can't say that. I like to believe >> No. I can't say that. I like to believe >> No. I can't say that. I like to believe I taught kids psychology full-time. And I taught kids psychology full-time. And I taught kids psychology full-time. And one of the things one of the small one of the things one of the small one of the things one of the small pieces of unit we talked about, you pieces of unit we talked about, you pieces of unit we talked about, you know, happiness and what makes people know, happiness and what makes people know, happiness and what makes people happy. And at the end of the day, I happy. And at the end of the day, I happy. And at the end of the day, I mean, I've said it now a couple times, mean, I've said it now a couple times, mean, I've said it now a couple times, it is the connections to people that end it is the connections to people that end it is the connections to people that end up making you happy. And so, I think up making you happy. And so, I think up making you happy. And so, I think while I miss my friends a lot back in while I miss my friends a lot back in while I miss my friends a lot back in the States, I miss my family a lot back the States, I miss my family a lot back the States, I miss my family a lot back in the States, I'm making the friends in the States, I'm making the friends in the States, I'm making the friends here and connecting with people here. here and connecting with people here. here and connecting with people here. And that makes a big difference in And that makes a big difference in And that makes a big difference in happiness, in being and satisfied with happiness, in being and satisfied with happiness, in being and satisfied with with what you're doing. I don't have a with what you're doing. I don't have a with what you're doing. I don't have a great answer for it. I think everybody great answer for it. I think everybody great answer for it. I think everybody has to find their own path on that. And has to find their own path on that. And has to find their own path on that. And we took a little bit of a risk in we took a little bit of a risk in we took a little bit of a risk in jumping out of our comfort zone and jumping out of our comfort zone and jumping out of our comfort zone and coming over here. But, I wouldn't trade coming over here. But, I wouldn't trade coming over here. But, I wouldn't trade it for the world. I genuinely wouldn't. it for the world. I genuinely wouldn't. it for the world. I genuinely wouldn't. A lot of things I miss, but I'm getting A lot of things I miss, but I'm getting A lot of things I miss, but I'm getting to do and be with a lot of new things, to do and be with a lot of new things, to do and be with a lot of new things, which are really cool. which are really cool. which are really cool. >> Mhm. And you're able to go back to the >> Mhm. And you're able to go back to the >> Mhm. And you're able to go back to the US. Some people think like I've moved US. Some people think like I've moved US. Some people think like I've moved and that's it. But, you can go back and and that's it. But, you can go back and and that's it. But, you can go back and visit.

visit. visit. >> that I ski with, he actually came over >> that I ski with, he actually came over >> that I ski with, he actually came over we were skiing in Austria this year. I'm we were skiing in Austria this year. I'm we were skiing in Austria this year. I'm like, it's like a bucket list thing. like, it's like a bucket list thing. like, it's like a bucket list thing. It's like, "Oh my gosh, I'm skiing in It's like, "Oh my gosh, I'm skiing in It's like, "Oh my gosh, I'm skiing in Austria." Absolutely gorgeous. He came Austria." Absolutely gorgeous. He came Austria." Absolutely gorgeous. He came over and when we bought our current over and when we bought our current over and when we bought our current place uh right at about a year ago. We place uh right at about a year ago. We place uh right at about a year ago. We have a phone call with him about I have a phone call with him about I have a phone call with him about I probably say I talked to him at least probably say I talked to him at least probably say I talked to him at least once a month if not twice. He's like, once a month if not twice. He's like, once a month if not twice. He's like, "Oh my gosh, you bought a place. So, I "Oh my gosh, you bought a place. So, I "Oh my gosh, you bought a place. So, I guess that's like forever." And I was guess that's like forever." And I was guess that's like forever." And I was like, "Dude, Ken, come on. You know, how like, "Dude, Ken, come on. You know, how like, "Dude, Ken, come on. You know, how many times we moved in our life? many times we moved in our life? many times we moved in our life? And And we have. I mean, we have And And we have. I mean, we have And And we have. I mean, we have probably moved probably moved probably moved 12 times in our 40 years of of marriage. 12 times in our 40 years of of marriage. 12 times in our 40 years of of marriage. And so, it's a piece of property. It can And so, it's a piece of property. It can And so, it's a piece of property. It can be sold. We can still come back and be sold. We can still come back and be sold. We can still come back and spend months if we want to spend months. spend months if we want to spend months. spend months if we want to spend months. This is not a dichotomy. It's not an all This is not a dichotomy. It's not an all This is not a dichotomy. It's not an all or nothing. or nothing. or nothing. >> Right. Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. >> You can You can do both. >> You can You can do both. >> You can You can do both. >> Mhm. That's a great mentality you have. >> Mhm. That's a great mentality you have. >> Mhm. That's a great mentality you have. I think Yeah, people think it's all or I think Yeah, people think it's all or I think Yeah, people think it's all or nothing. Or you can't buy unless you're nothing. Or you can't buy unless you're nothing. Or you can't buy unless you're like, "That's it. I'm stuck." But, just like, "That's it. I'm stuck." But, just like, "That's it. I'm stuck." But, just like if you're buying in the US and then like if you're buying in the US and then like if you're buying in the US and then you move states, you sell the property. you move states, you sell the property. you move states, you sell the property. >> It is. Yeah. It is. It absolutely is. >> It is. Yeah. It is. It absolutely is. >> It is. Yeah. It is. It absolutely is. You can go somewhere else. You can go somewhere else. You can go somewhere else. >> Well, let's talk about buying then. What >> Well, let's talk about buying then. What >> Well, let's talk about buying then. What was the buying process like here?

was the buying process like here? was the buying process like here? >> That to me was a little different. I >> That to me was a little different. I >> That to me was a little different. I think I'd gotten used to and in some think I'd gotten used to and in some think I'd gotten used to and in some ways my um ways my um ways my um maybe my nitpicky personality, uptight maybe my nitpicky personality, uptight maybe my nitpicky personality, uptight maybe. You want to make sure that you maybe. You want to make sure that you maybe. You want to make sure that you dot all your eyes and crossed all your dot all your eyes and crossed all your dot all your eyes and crossed all your tees and you know, we had a phenomenal tees and you know, we had a phenomenal tees and you know, we had a phenomenal realtor that we used the last like realtor that we used the last like realtor that we used the last like probably three transactions that we had probably three transactions that we had probably three transactions that we had when we were in Illinois. She was a when we were in Illinois. She was a when we were in Illinois. She was a tiger. Holy cow. You just didn't mess tiger. Holy cow. You just didn't mess tiger. Holy cow. You just didn't mess with her. So, you wanted her on your with her. So, you wanted her on your with her. So, you wanted her on your side because you know, everything was side because you know, everything was side because you know, everything was going to be taken care of and it was going to be taken care of and it was going to be taken care of and it was going to you know, be um all buttoned up going to you know, be um all buttoned up going to you know, be um all buttoned up and and square away. And that was sort and and square away. And that was sort and and square away. And that was sort of of of >> Not so much here? >> Not so much here? >> Not so much here? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> It's like So, we're going through the >> It's like So, we're going through the >> It's like So, we're going through the process and number one, they were process and number one, they were process and number one, they were incredibly accommodating because we had incredibly accommodating because we had incredibly accommodating because we had taken the money from the house that we taken the money from the house that we taken the money from the house that we had sold and I'd put it in a number of had sold and I'd put it in a number of had sold and I'd put it in a number of short-to-mid-term and CDs investments short-to-mid-term and CDs investments short-to-mid-term and CDs investments and things. I was trying to sort of you and things. I was trying to sort of you and things. I was trying to sort of you know, put it there and have it know, put it there and have it know, put it there and have it semi-liquid. And we needed some time for semi-liquid. And we needed some time for semi-liquid. And we needed some time for things to mature. And so, we said, "Can things to mature. And so, we said, "Can things to mature. And so, we said, "Can we have 4 months before this thing we have 4 months before this thing we have 4 months before this thing closes?" And they were incredibly closes?" And they were incredibly closes?" And they were incredibly accommodating in that. But, then there's accommodating in that. But, then there's accommodating in that. But, then there's other things like we get the contract.

other things like we get the contract. other things like we get the contract. We're going to go and we're going to sit We're going to go and we're going to sit We're going to go and we're going to sit and we're going to sign the contract and we're going to sign the contract and we're going to sign the contract where we say, "Yes, we agree to it." And where we say, "Yes, we agree to it." And where we say, "Yes, we agree to it." And it essentially says, "And you accept it essentially says, "And you accept it essentially says, "And you accept this as it is, you know, in its this as it is, you know, in its this as it is, you know, in its entirety." And I'm looking at Mark and entirety." And I'm looking at Mark and entirety." And I'm looking at Mark and I'm like, "No." I was like, "They I'm like, "No." I was like, "They I'm like, "No." I was like, "They haven't fixed this. They haven't fixed haven't fixed this. They haven't fixed haven't fixed this. They haven't fixed this. They haven't fixed this. There's this. They haven't fixed this. There's this. They haven't fixed this. There's this this list of things." He goes, this this list of things." He goes, this this list of things." He goes, "It's okay. "It's okay. "It's okay. They have to take care of it." And I They have to take care of it." And I They have to take care of it." And I don't remember what the duration was. He don't remember what the duration was. He don't remember what the duration was. He says, "But, you know, you have a much says, "But, you know, you have a much says, "But, you know, you have a much greater longer warranty here." And so, greater longer warranty here." And so, greater longer warranty here." And so, he was you know, he had to calm me down he was you know, he had to calm me down he was you know, he had to calm me down to say, "No, no, no. It's okay. You to say, "No, no, no. It's okay. You to say, "No, no, no. It's okay. You know, they will take care of it." I know, they will take care of it." I know, they will take care of it." I think one of your I don't remember it think one of your I don't remember it think one of your I don't remember it was one of your videos or somebody else was one of your videos or somebody else was one of your videos or somebody else says, "You got to be more Portuguese says, "You got to be more Portuguese says, "You got to be more Portuguese about it." about it." about it." >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> There is a relational component to this >> There is a relational component to this >> There is a relational component to this that you're making a connection with that you're making a connection with that you're making a connection with somebody and And are promising it's somebody and And are promising it's somebody and And are promising it's like, "We're entering into agreement and like, "We're entering into agreement and like, "We're entering into agreement and I'm going to honor my agreement. I'm I'm going to honor my agreement. I'm I'm going to honor my agreement. I'm going to take care of it." Where in the going to take care of it." Where in the going to take care of it." Where in the United States, it is "I will honor my United States, it is "I will honor my United States, it is "I will honor my agreement based on what's written down agreement based on what's written down agreement based on what's written down on the piece of paper." on the piece of paper." on the piece of paper." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so, that's why you have to be a >> And so, that's why you have to be a >> And so, that's why you have to be a little more nitpicky. There's still a little more nitpicky. There's still a little more nitpicky. There's still a couple of little things that we look at. couple of little things that we look at. couple of little things that we look at. I mean, we've been here, you know, 10 I mean, we've been here, you know, 10 I mean, we've been here, you know, 10 months now. And I mean, they're very months now. And I mean, they're very months now. And I mean, they're very small. Well, all the big things have small. Well, all the big things have small. Well, all the big things have been taken care of, but it's still this been taken care of, but it's still this been taken care of, but it's still this somebody will take care of it. It'll somebody will take care of it. It'll somebody will take care of it. It'll happen.

happen. happen. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a little nerve-racking though, like It's a little nerve-racking though, like It's a little nerve-racking though, like on a big purchase, obviously, and just on a big purchase, obviously, and just on a big purchase, obviously, and just like because there's that element of like because there's that element of like because there's that element of trust, but that's cultural. trust, but that's cultural. trust, but that's cultural. >> It is. >> It is. >> It is. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> It really is. It's very, very different. >> It really is. It's very, very different. >> It really is. It's very, very different. It's a different kind of trust. It's a It's a different kind of trust. It's a It's a different kind of trust. It's a very different kind of trust. very different kind of trust. very different kind of trust. >> So. Did you use a mortgage? Get a >> So. Did you use a mortgage? Get a >> So. Did you use a mortgage? Get a mortgage? mortgage? mortgage? >> We did not. We did not Again, we were >> We did not. We did not Again, we were >> We did not. We did not Again, we were fortunate that the place that we sold fortunate that the place that we sold fortunate that the place that we sold covered what we had here. We had some covered what we had here. We had some covered what we had here. We had some other things as well, but we were able other things as well, but we were able other things as well, but we were able to to buy it outright, which to to buy it outright, which to to buy it outright, which again, that feels like retirement. Isn't again, that feels like retirement. Isn't again, that feels like retirement. Isn't that kind of like what you're supposed that kind of like what you're supposed that kind of like what you're supposed >> I guess. I don't know. >> I guess. I don't know. >> I guess. I don't know. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Uh you pay off the house, and you, you >> Uh you pay off the house, and you, you >> Uh you pay off the house, and you, you know, you kind of, you know, go from know, you kind of, you know, go from know, you kind of, you know, go from there. Um and so, yes, we feel feel there. Um and so, yes, we feel feel there. Um and so, yes, we feel feel pretty good about that. pretty good about that. pretty good about that. >> So, you did that, yeah. Cuz a lot of >> So, you did that, yeah. Cuz a lot of >> So, you did that, yeah. Cuz a lot of people with the interest rates being low people with the interest rates being low people with the interest rates being low here, even if you could pay it off, some here, even if you could pay it off, some here, even if you could pay it off, some people just go with that instead of people just go with that instead of people just go with that instead of tying up all their cash, which is an tying up all their cash, which is an tying up all their cash, which is an >> And that was one of the questions I >> And that was one of the questions I >> And that was one of the questions I asked at one point. I was asking Marco asked at one point. I was asking Marco asked at one point. I was asking Marco and somebody else, like, "So, and somebody else, like, "So, and somebody else, like, "So, you know, because we're asking for, you you know, because we're asking for, you you know, because we're asking for, you know, 4 months before we can move know, 4 months before we can move know, 4 months before we can move things, should we just get a mortgage things, should we just get a mortgage things, should we just get a mortgage and and and do it that way?" And he's and and and do it that way?" And he's and and and do it that way?" And he's like, "No, no, it's fine. It will it like, "No, no, it's fine. It will it like, "No, no, it's fine. It will it will And then I'm looking at the will And then I'm looking at the will And then I'm looking at the interest rates, and I'm like, those interest rates, and I'm like, those interest rates, and I'm like, those interest rates are what I was paying in interest rates are what I was paying in interest rates are what I was paying in the United States like, you know, the United States like, you know, the United States like, you know, however many years ago it was.

however many years ago it was. however many years ago it was. Ridiculously cheap in terms of um Ridiculously cheap in terms of um Ridiculously cheap in terms of um what we paid. what we paid. what we paid. >> Yeah. But you're good because yeah, cuz >> Yeah. But you're good because yeah, cuz >> Yeah. But you're good because yeah, cuz you're retired. you're retired. you're retired. So, it's paid [laughter] off. So, it's paid [laughter] off. So, it's paid [laughter] off. >> [gasps] >> [gasps] >> [gasps] >> Yeah. So, someone who's never been to >> Yeah. So, someone who's never been to >> Yeah. So, someone who's never been to Braga, can you paint a picture of what Braga, can you paint a picture of what Braga, can you paint a picture of what it looks like and why you like it? And it looks like and why you like it? And it looks like and why you like it? And maybe some cons, some things that maybe maybe some cons, some things that maybe maybe some cons, some things that maybe someone wouldn't like about Braga. someone wouldn't like about Braga. someone wouldn't like about Braga. >> Cons? >> Cons? >> Cons? >> There's [laughter] got to be something, >> There's [laughter] got to be something, >> There's [laughter] got to be something, right? right? right? >> For Josh, there's an excellent football >> For Josh, there's an excellent football >> For Josh, there's an excellent football team. team. team. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Um I think I said before it kind of hits >> Um I think I said before it kind of hits >> Um I think I said before it kind of hits that Goldilocks. We are getting older that Goldilocks. We are getting older that Goldilocks. We are getting older and we were looking for a place that and we were looking for a place that and we were looking for a place that would have the medical facilities if we would have the medical facilities if we would have the medical facilities if we needed it. We were looking for a place needed it. We were looking for a place needed it. We were looking for a place that was incredibly walkable. And I that was incredibly walkable. And I that was incredibly walkable. And I think the downtown, the old town of think the downtown, the old town of think the downtown, the old town of Braga, is considered to be one of the Braga, is considered to be one of the Braga, is considered to be one of the most walkable places in Europe. For me, most walkable places in Europe. For me, most walkable places in Europe. For me, the green, when you look outside, you the green, when you look outside, you the green, when you look outside, you can still see green. It's not you're in can still see green. It's not you're in can still see green. It's not you're in a city of skyscrapers. You're looking at a city of skyscrapers. You're looking at a city of skyscrapers. You're looking at buildings. In terms of the number of buildings. In terms of the number of buildings. In terms of the number of people, unless there's a festival, you people, unless there's a festival, you people, unless there's a festival, you know, it's you're not overwhelmed by the know, it's you're not overwhelmed by the know, it's you're not overwhelmed by the sheer volume of people. Everything we sheer volume of people. Everything we sheer volume of people. Everything we need from where we are is no more than need from where we are is no more than need from where we are is no more than like a 12-minute walk. My friends back like a 12-minute walk. My friends back like a 12-minute walk. My friends back in the States are like, "You don't have in the States are like, "You don't have in the States are like, "You don't have a car?"

a car?" a car?" >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I was like, "No, but you know, I can go >> I was like, "No, but you know, I can go >> I was like, "No, but you know, I can go to the grocery store and I'm there in 10 to the grocery store and I'm there in 10 to the grocery store and I'm there in 10 minutes. In the car, it would have taken minutes. In the car, it would have taken minutes. In the car, it would have taken 10 minutes to drive there and drive 10 minutes to drive there and drive 10 minutes to drive there and drive back. You know, the only difference is, back. You know, the only difference is, back. You know, the only difference is, you know, my walk back, you know, doing you know, my walk back, you know, doing you know, my walk back, you know, doing the farmer's walk the farmer's walk the farmer's walk has a little bit more, but other than has a little bit more, but other than has a little bit more, but other than that, you know, everything is so close. that, you know, everything is so close. that, you know, everything is so close. And as an expat in particular, I can say And as an expat in particular, I can say And as an expat in particular, I can say that the community here is phenomenal. that the community here is phenomenal. that the community here is phenomenal. I've watched your videos enough to know I've watched your videos enough to know I've watched your videos enough to know that people constantly talk about the that people constantly talk about the that people constantly talk about the Portuguese people and how friendly they Portuguese people and how friendly they Portuguese people and how friendly they are. And they are incredibly patient. are. And they are incredibly patient. are. And they are incredibly patient. You know, 99 times out of 100, they You know, 99 times out of 100, they You know, 99 times out of 100, they appreciate that we we try to speak appreciate that we we try to speak appreciate that we we try to speak Portuguese. Our Portuguese is still Portuguese. Our Portuguese is still Portuguese. Our Portuguese is still pretty transactional. You know, we can pretty transactional. You know, we can pretty transactional. You know, we can get to that question and then maybe they get to that question and then maybe they get to that question and then maybe they say something and I might be able to say say something and I might be able to say say something and I might be able to say something back. From there, it's sort of something back. From there, it's sort of something back. From there, it's sort of a long pause, you know, you know, my a long pause, you know, you know, my a long pause, you know, you know, my Portuguese is not very good. Portuguese is not very good. Portuguese is not very good. Speak a little slower, please. Speak a little slower, please. Speak a little slower, please. But in the end, the people are But in the end, the people are But in the end, the people are outstanding and patient and helpful. The outstanding and patient and helpful. The outstanding and patient and helpful. The expat community here is is excellent. It expat community here is is excellent. It expat community here is is excellent. It is walkable. All the things that you is walkable. All the things that you is walkable. All the things that you need are here. And for me personally, need are here. And for me personally, need are here. And for me personally, it's just not too big.

it's just not too big. it's just not too big. I'm I'm a suburban kid, never lived in a I'm I'm a suburban kid, never lived in a I'm I'm a suburban kid, never lived in a big city. And so, this is a perfect spot big city. And so, this is a perfect spot big city. And so, this is a perfect spot for me. for me. for me. >> Well, what would Leanne say the cons are >> Well, what would Leanne say the cons are >> Well, what would Leanne say the cons are then? You know there are some cons. then? You know there are some cons. then? You know there are some cons. >> You you >> You you >> You you we always joke, you know, in our in our we always joke, you know, in our in our we always joke, you know, in our in our last language class, our teacher asked last language class, our teacher asked last language class, our teacher asked us, you know, what is your ideal place? us, you know, what is your ideal place? us, you know, what is your ideal place? And Leanne said, I love my apartments, And Leanne said, I love my apartments, And Leanne said, I love my apartments, but I want to be by the ocean. And I but I want to be by the ocean. And I but I want to be by the ocean. And I was, I want to love my apartment, but I was, I want to love my apartment, but I was, I want to love my apartment, but I want to be by more in the mountains. want to be by more in the mountains. want to be by more in the mountains. >> And you're still married. >> And you're still married. >> And you're still married. >> Yeah, yeah, >> Yeah, yeah, >> Yeah, yeah, >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I am still married. >> I am still married. >> I am still married. I think we're about as in the mountains I think we're about as in the mountains I think we're about as in the mountains as we can get. Maybe, you know, Viseu as we can get. Maybe, you know, Viseu as we can get. Maybe, you know, Viseu would be one that would be a little bit would be one that would be a little bit would be one that would be a little bit more. I think Leanne would say she likes more. I think Leanne would say she likes more. I think Leanne would say she likes a little more action. a little more action. a little more action. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> She wants to be by the ocean. I also >> She wants to be by the ocean. I also >> She wants to be by the ocean. I also think there are people that, you know, think there are people that, you know, think there are people that, you know, some of you seem to give her this false some of you seem to give her this false some of you seem to give her this false sense of what Porto might be. sense of what Porto might be. sense of what Porto might be. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Who does that? >> Who does that? >> Who does that? >> know, Kaylee. Who would do that? And we >> know, Kaylee. Who would do that? And we >> know, Kaylee. Who would do that? And we have very good friends that are awesome have very good friends that are awesome have very good friends that are awesome there, too. We have a number of people. there, too. We have a number of people. there, too. We have a number of people. And so we're down in Porto about every And so we're down in Porto about every And so we're down in Porto about every week and a half to two weeks. And week and a half to two weeks. And week and a half to two weeks. And >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> you know, friends come up here as well. >> you know, friends come up here as well. >> you know, friends come up here as well. Proximity to people we know, proximity Proximity to people we know, proximity Proximity to people we know, proximity to water. She likes a little more of the to water. She likes a little more of the to water. She likes a little more of the hustle and bustle, a little more of the hustle and bustle, a little more of the hustle and bustle, a little more of the action. You would say vibe.

action. You would say vibe. action. You would say vibe. >> Yeah, yes, I would. >> Yeah, yes, I would. >> Yeah, yes, I would. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Uh if there's more going on. >> Uh if there's more going on. >> Uh if there's more going on. >> But easy to get to. Train, bus, so >> But easy to get to. Train, bus, so >> But easy to get to. Train, bus, so >> I mean it's the high-speed train is 35 >> I mean it's the high-speed train is 35 >> I mean it's the high-speed train is 35 minutes. We typically take train, catch minutes. We typically take train, catch minutes. We typically take train, catch a commuter train that's an express. a commuter train that's an express. a commuter train that's an express. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And it's 50 minutes. And so very, very >> And it's 50 minutes. And so very, very >> And it's 50 minutes. And so very, very easy. Again, yeah. It's always close. easy. Again, yeah. It's always close. easy. Again, yeah. It's always close. Can always get there. Yeah. Can always get there. Yeah. Can always get there. Yeah. >> A lot of [clears throat] talk right now >> A lot of [clears throat] talk right now >> A lot of [clears throat] talk right now online is how the citizenship has online is how the citizenship has online is how the citizenship has changed from 5 to 10 years. changed from 5 to 10 years. changed from 5 to 10 years. How does that make you feel? How does that make you feel? How does that make you feel? >> There's some people that when you think >> There's some people that when you think >> There's some people that when you think of folks that maybe did the golden visa, of folks that maybe did the golden visa, of folks that maybe did the golden visa, and I think they looked at that as being and I think they looked at that as being and I think they looked at that as being more closely tied to citizenship. I more closely tied to citizenship. I more closely tied to citizenship. I understand that the visa that we got understand that the visa that we got understand that the visa that we got that came in the D7, the D7, it was not that came in the D7, the D7, it was not that came in the D7, the D7, it was not explicitly said, do the D7, you're going explicitly said, do the D7, you're going explicitly said, do the D7, you're going to get in line for a a 5-year to get in line for a a 5-year to get in line for a a 5-year citizenship possibility. At the same citizenship possibility. At the same citizenship possibility. At the same time, when we came, that was there. I time, when we came, that was there. I time, when we came, that was there. I mean, and to say that that carrot didn't mean, and to say that that carrot didn't mean, and to say that that carrot didn't exist would be that wouldn't be an exist would be that wouldn't be an exist would be that wouldn't be an accurate statement. So, it really did. I accurate statement. So, it really did. I accurate statement. So, it really did. I mean, and we said it to friends as well. mean, and we said it to friends as well. mean, and we said it to friends as well. It's like, oh my gosh. I mean we could It's like, oh my gosh. I mean we could It's like, oh my gosh. I mean we could have citizenship in 5 years which would have citizenship in 5 years which would have citizenship in 5 years which would open up all of Europe to us, you know, open up all of Europe to us, you know, open up all of Europe to us, you know, uh if if that was something we wanted to uh if if that was something we wanted to uh if if that was something we wanted to do. And so it was the the potential to do. And so it was the the potential to do. And so it was the the potential to have it. And it's it's not like that have it. And it's it's not like that have it. And it's it's not like that potential doesn't still exist, but it is potential doesn't still exist, but it is potential doesn't still exist, but it is 10 years. I don't feel like I've been 10 years. I don't feel like I've been 10 years. I don't feel like I've been subject to a bait and switch, but I do subject to a bait and switch, but I do subject to a bait and switch, but I do there's a little bit of there's a little bit of there's a little bit of god darn it.

god darn it. god darn it. >> Yeah, a bit of a bummer, right? >> Yeah, a bit of a bummer, right? >> Yeah, a bit of a bummer, right? Cuz it was there and now it's gone. Cuz it was there and now it's gone. Cuz it was there and now it's gone. >> there. It was that you know, you could >> there. It was that you know, you could >> there. It was that you know, you could see it. It was sitting right there and see it. It was sitting right there and see it. It was sitting right there and it was like you you walked into the it was like you you walked into the it was like you you walked into the store to get that last Xbox and store to get that last Xbox and store to get that last Xbox and somebody else walked in there, you know, somebody else walked in there, you know, somebody else walked in there, you know, 6 seconds before you and and grabbed it. 6 seconds before you and and grabbed it. 6 seconds before you and and grabbed it. And then you you watched it being And then you you watched it being And then you you watched it being removed from the shelf. It was like removed from the shelf. It was like removed from the shelf. It was like wait. wait. wait. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I wanted that. Yes, I do think I have >> I wanted that. Yes, I do think I have >> I wanted that. Yes, I do think I have sort of mixed feelings about it. I'm at sort of mixed feelings about it. I'm at sort of mixed feelings about it. I'm at least able to look at it and reflect and least able to look at it and reflect and least able to look at it and reflect and say it wasn't promised, but I really say it wasn't promised, but I really say it wasn't promised, but I really hoped it was going to be there. hoped it was going to be there. hoped it was going to be there. >> Well, at Expat Everywhere we believe >> Well, at Expat Everywhere we believe >> Well, at Expat Everywhere we believe that living abroad transforms lives. So that living abroad transforms lives. So that living abroad transforms lives. So how has living abroad transformed your how has living abroad transformed your how has living abroad transformed your life? life? life? >> Portugal in particular has made me a >> Portugal in particular has made me a >> Portugal in particular has made me a little more patient. little more patient. little more patient. A little less uptight. A little less uptight. A little less uptight. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I have had to grow in terms of being >> I have had to grow in terms of being >> I have had to grow in terms of being flexible in being someplace else. And flexible in being someplace else. And flexible in being someplace else. And you know, as a teacher, I think one of you know, as a teacher, I think one of you know, as a teacher, I think one of the things as a social studies teacher the things as a social studies teacher the things as a social studies teacher in particular, you know, I was always in particular, you know, I was always in particular, you know, I was always trying to get kids to have perspective. trying to get kids to have perspective. trying to get kids to have perspective. Whatever it is that we're looking at, Whatever it is that we're looking at, Whatever it is that we're looking at, whatever we're doing. There's absolutely whatever we're doing. There's absolutely whatever we're doing. There's absolutely nothing wrong with growing up living and nothing wrong with growing up living and nothing wrong with growing up living and staying in the same place your entire staying in the same place your entire staying in the same place your entire life. You have connections there that life. You have connections there that life. You have connections there that few people will ever get to have. It's few people will ever get to have. It's few people will ever get to have. It's fantastic. But I think your perspective fantastic. But I think your perspective fantastic. But I think your perspective is that one place.

is that one place. is that one place. Not necessarily bad, but I like the fact Not necessarily bad, but I like the fact Not necessarily bad, but I like the fact that this has given me a much broader, a that this has given me a much broader, a that this has given me a much broader, a more global perspective outside of the more global perspective outside of the more global perspective outside of the United States. That is, you know, United States. That is, you know, United States. That is, you know, priceless. I actually think it's priceless. I actually think it's priceless. I actually think it's priceless. priceless. priceless. >> Mhm. Awesome. Thank you, Jamie. And for >> Mhm. Awesome. Thank you, Jamie. And for >> Mhm. Awesome. Thank you, Jamie. And for you to know more about Braga, check out you to know more about Braga, check out you to know more about Braga, check out this city guide right here. And then this city guide right here. And then this city guide right here. And then Jamie also mentioned Viseu, so you can Jamie also mentioned Viseu, so you can Jamie also mentioned Viseu, so you can check that out right here. Don't forget check that out right here. Don't forget check that out right here. Don't forget to subscribe. Now, let's get moving.