Christopher Knight - Megalithic Measurements, Freemasons, and The Moon Makers

you have one new message hey it's James you have one new message hey it's James calling yeah I'm calling you leaving a calling yeah I'm calling you leaving a calling yeah I'm calling you leaving a message from the bur Shear Western message from the bur Shear Western message from the bur Shear Western Massachusetts the beautiful birk Shear I Massachusetts the beautiful birk Shear I Massachusetts the beautiful birk Shear I was listening to this newest podcast and was listening to this newest podcast and was listening to this newest podcast and they were talking about Russian and they were talking about Russian and they were talking about Russian and translating Russian into English and I translating Russian into English and I translating Russian into English and I was a Russian major in college I lived was a Russian major in college I lived was a Russian major in college I lived in Russia and I speak Russian and read in Russia and I speak Russian and read in Russia and I speak Russian and read Russian like crime and punishment in Russian like crime and punishment in Russian like crime and punishment in Russian so I have a lot of know with it Russian so I have a lot of know with it Russian so I have a lot of know with it and what I can tell you is Russian is and what I can tell you is Russian is and what I can tell you is Russian is always written as a double on Tandra and always written as a double on Tandra and always written as a double on Tandra and I'll give you a very quick example the I'll give you a very quick example the I'll give you a very quick example the main character in crime and punishment's main character in crime and punishment's main character in crime and punishment's name is rasol nikov rascol refers to a name is rasol nikov rascol refers to a name is rasol nikov rascol refers to a split or Schism and that's about his split or Schism and that's about his split or Schism and that's about his schizophrenic personality his best schizophrenic personality his best schizophrenic personality his best friend rumin razum is sense or Reason so friend rumin razum is sense or Reason so friend rumin razum is sense or Reason so that's it with that uh I'd love free to that's it with that uh I'd love free to that's it with that uh I'd love free to check out my pictures my website is check out my pictures my website is check out my pictures my website is water Ox photos plural water ox water Ox photos plural water ox water Ox photos plural water ox photos.com and you can see where I live photos.com and you can see where I live photos.com and you can see where I live they're just photos of the Burk shears I they're just photos of the Burk shears I they're just photos of the Burk shears I love your show you're a cool dude the planet Master almost surely dude the planet Master almost surely have a plan there's clearly may be have a plan there's clearly may be have a plan there's clearly may be something there beyond the realm of man something there beyond the realm of man something there beyond the realm of man and until you've thoroughly tested every and until you've thoroughly tested every and until you've thoroughly tested every last close just a view I find the more last close just a view I find the more last close just a view I find the more you think you know the less you really you think you know the less you really you think you know the less you really do that's true Dr Z well where would we do that's true Dr Z well where would we do that's true Dr Z well where would we be

be be without we know that lying to us just without we know that lying to us just without we know that lying to us just don't know no what degree yeah where don't know no what degree yeah where don't know no what degree yeah where would we be without would we be without would we be without TC the higher side chat TC the higher side chat TC the higher side chat show show show one holy hell Higher Side Chatters one holy hell Higher Side Chatters one holy hell Higher Side Chatters drinking a little drink smoking a little drinking a little drink smoking a little drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke and making sure my third eye is smoke and making sure my third eye is smoke and making sure my third eye is Thoroughly squeegee clean from Sunny San Thoroughly squeegee clean from Sunny San Thoroughly squeegee clean from Sunny San dieg I'm Greg carlwood and folks we dieg I'm Greg carlwood and folks we dieg I'm Greg carlwood and folks we realize just how many holes our history realize just how many holes our history realize just how many holes our history really has and we entertain a lot of really has and we entertain a lot of really has and we entertain a lot of ideas in the hopes to demystify the past ideas in the hopes to demystify the past ideas in the hopes to demystify the past and come out with a clearer picture of and come out with a clearer picture of and come out with a clearer picture of the human story and sometimes these the human story and sometimes these the human story and sometimes these threads of research lead us to threads of research lead us to threads of research lead us to conclusions that are hard to Fathom and conclusions that are hard to Fathom and conclusions that are hard to Fathom and the answers sometimes become more epic the answers sometimes become more epic the answers sometimes become more epic than the questions ever suspected like than the questions ever suspected like than the questions ever suspected like what if some of the most enigmatic what if some of the most enigmatic what if some of the most enigmatic structures we speculate about can be structures we speculate about can be structures we speculate about can be connected through the use of a connected through the use of a connected through the use of a lesser-known set of measurements and lesser-known set of measurements and lesser-known set of measurements and what if these ancient measurements what if these ancient measurements what if these ancient measurements remained preserved in the Deep recesses remained preserved in the Deep recesses remained preserved in the Deep recesses of Freemasonry and what if these of Freemasonry and what if these of Freemasonry and what if these Builders didn't stop at the Earth well Builders didn't stop at the Earth well Builders didn't stop at the Earth well these are just a few of the stops on these are just a few of the stops on these are just a few of the stops on today's road map to realization and the today's road map to realization and the today's road map to realization and the Crux of the Decades of research done by Crux of the Decades of research done by Crux of the Decades of research done by today's guest Christopher Knight Chris today's guest Christopher Knight Chris today's guest Christopher Knight Chris became a writer almost by accident as became a writer almost by accident as became a writer almost by accident as his curiosity into Freemasonry and his curiosity into Freemasonry and his curiosity into Freemasonry and megalithic structures led to a series of megalithic structures led to a series of megalithic structures led to a series of books written and co-written about this books written and co-written about this books written and co-written about this deep and deserving Rabbit Hole including deep and deserving Rabbit Hole including deep and deserving Rabbit Hole including titles like Civilization one Solomon's titles like Civilization one Solomon's titles like Civilization one Solomon's power Brokers who built the moon before power Brokers who built the moon before power Brokers who built the moon before the pyramid and most recently God's the pyramid and most recently God's the pyramid and most recently God's blueprint a topic I can't wait to get blueprint a topic I can't wait to get blueprint a topic I can't wait to get into with the man who knows the plan into with the man who knows the plan into with the man who knows the plan Christopher Knight welcome to THC thank

Christopher Knight welcome to THC thank Christopher Knight welcome to THC thank you Greg good to be with you I do concur you Greg good to be with you I do concur you Greg good to be with you I do concur good sir and I'm very excited for this good sir and I'm very excited for this good sir and I'm very excited for this the subject matter you've been studying the subject matter you've been studying the subject matter you've been studying and the connections you've made really and the connections you've made really and the connections you've made really do blow my mind and I suppose a good do blow my mind and I suppose a good do blow my mind and I suppose a good place to start is at the beginning which place to start is at the beginning which place to start is at the beginning which I believe was an interest in Freemasonry I believe was an interest in Freemasonry I believe was an interest in Freemasonry right um completely an accidental right um completely an accidental right um completely an accidental beginning yeah in my early 20s I thought beginning yeah in my early 20s I thought beginning yeah in my early 20s I thought what do these guys get up to I've read what do these guys get up to I've read what do these guys get up to I've read bad things about them and some good bad things about them and some good bad things about them and some good things and I thought the best way to things and I thought the best way to things and I thought the best way to find out is to join but that didn't find out is to join but that didn't find out is to join but that didn't throw any light in it at all um so I I I throw any light in it at all um so I I I throw any light in it at all um so I I I spent um many decades trying to find out spent um many decades trying to find out spent um many decades trying to find out where their rituals came where their rituals came where their rituals came from right on so yeah the uh rituals of from right on so yeah the uh rituals of from right on so yeah the uh rituals of Freemasonry they seem shrouded in Freemasonry they seem shrouded in Freemasonry they seem shrouded in mystique and that leads to all sorts of mystique and that leads to all sorts of mystique and that leads to all sorts of rumors but seen as how you've gone rumors but seen as how you've gone rumors but seen as how you've gone through some of these rituals firsthand through some of these rituals firsthand through some of these rituals firsthand can you detail some of the strangeness can you detail some of the strangeness can you detail some of the strangeness you encountered with them um yes is uh you encountered with them um yes is uh you encountered with them um yes is uh there's very very little that's actually there's very very little that's actually there's very very little that's actually Secret in Freemasonry um and when my Secret in Freemasonry um and when my Secret in Freemasonry um and when my first book came out a lot of Freemasons first book came out a lot of Freemasons first book came out a lot of Freemasons thought I was telling Secrets but I have thought I was telling Secrets but I have thought I was telling Secrets but I have never ever once uh told a secret I never ever once uh told a secret I never ever once uh told a secret I wasn't allowed to tell um because there wasn't allowed to tell um because there wasn't allowed to tell um because there really aren't too many but I I joined to really aren't too many but I I joined to really aren't too many but I I joined to try and find out uh what these guys got try and find out uh what these guys got try and find out uh what these guys got up to and the rituals were seriously up to and the rituals were seriously up to and the rituals were seriously weird every bit as weird as I expected weird every bit as weird as I expected weird every bit as weird as I expected and and and stranger again but and then and and and stranger again but and then and and and stranger again but and then after a couple of years I kept saying after a couple of years I kept saying after a couple of years I kept saying well what's this about about you know we well what's this about about you know we well what's this about about you know we do these rituals to bring in candidates do these rituals to bring in candidates do these rituals to bring in candidates and then we do more rituals to bring in and then we do more rituals to bring in and then we do more rituals to bring in more candidates what's the output what more candidates what's the output what more candidates what's the output what you know nobody knew and nobody knew

you know nobody knew and nobody knew you know nobody knew and nobody knew where the rituals came from so um I where the rituals came from so um I where the rituals came from so um I thought I need to try and find out I thought I need to try and find out I thought I need to try and find out I mean seriously strange and most most mean seriously strange and most most mean seriously strange and most most Freemasons will tell you or I can't tell Freemasons will tell you or I can't tell Freemasons will tell you or I can't tell you what I do because it's a secret but you what I do because it's a secret but you what I do because it's a secret but it isn't a secret at all they don't tell it isn't a secret at all they don't tell it isn't a secret at all they don't tell you because they're embarrassed because you because they're embarrassed because you because they're embarrassed because if they told you what they did it would if they told you what they did it would if they told you what they did it would seem like you do what that's crazy why' seem like you do what that's crazy why' seem like you do what that's crazy why' you do that and they'd have to say you do that and they'd have to say you do that and they'd have to say I don't know really you know it's easier I don't know really you know it's easier I don't know really you know it's easier to say well I can't tell you you know to say well I can't tell you you know to say well I can't tell you you know it's um it's all secret but it's not at it's um it's all secret but it's not at it's um it's all secret but it's not at all the only secrets are the means of all the only secrets are the means of all the only secrets are the means of recognition which are completely recognition which are completely recognition which are completely ceremoni ceremonial and totally ceremoni ceremonial and totally ceremoni ceremonial and totally unimportant the actual rituals rituals unimportant the actual rituals rituals unimportant the actual rituals rituals are published you know so most of them are published you know so most of them are published you know so most of them it gets more tricky when you get to the it gets more tricky when you get to the it gets more tricky when you get to the 33rd degree of the Scottish right but um 33rd degree of the Scottish right but um 33rd degree of the Scottish right but um um there's a little more shrouding going um there's a little more shrouding going um there's a little more shrouding going on there but there's all sorts of degree on there but there's all sorts of degree on there but there's all sorts of degree around the world which um um I've joined around the world which um um I've joined around the world which um um I've joined many of them and been involved with many many of them and been involved with many many of them and been involved with many of them but I I've I've kept relatively of them but I I've I've kept relatively of them but I I've I've kept relatively Junior in mainstream Freemasonry Junior in mainstream Freemasonry Junior in mainstream Freemasonry deliberately so that I can learn more um deliberately so that I can learn more um deliberately so that I can learn more um without being compromised um but all of without being compromised um but all of without being compromised um but all of the basic degrees obviously I went the basic degrees obviously I went the basic degrees obviously I went through in the through in the through in the 1970s interesting and I I know you did 1970s interesting and I I know you did 1970s interesting and I I know you did also put a lot of energy into tracing also put a lot of energy into tracing also put a lot of energy into tracing Freemasonry back as far as you could Freemasonry back as far as you could Freemasonry back as far as you could there seems to be a lot of different there seems to be a lot of different there seems to be a lot of different theories and ideas on the subject but theories and ideas on the subject but theories and ideas on the subject but what did did your research show when you what did did your research show when you what did did your research show when you looked into it um well you don't need to looked into it um well you don't need to looked into it um well you don't need to get too theoretical about it because get too theoretical about it because get too theoretical about it because there is a great deal of evidence it

there is a great deal of evidence it there is a great deal of evidence it takes a lot of digging out I've managed takes a lot of digging out I've managed takes a lot of digging out I've managed to get back about 6,000 years um I to get back about 6,000 years um I to get back about 6,000 years um I originally expected to get back four or originally expected to get back four or originally expected to get back four or 500 years because I have no interest in 500 years because I have no interest in 500 years because I have no interest in the esic OR weird ideas or anything that the esic OR weird ideas or anything that the esic OR weird ideas or anything that I used to think of as a fery and I I used to think of as a fery and I I used to think of as a fery and I thought it was just very matter of fact thought it was just very matter of fact thought it was just very matter of fact it's far from matter of fact um and it's it's far from matter of fact um and it's it's far from matter of fact um and it's very complicated uh but there is hard very complicated uh but there is hard very complicated uh but there is hard evidence uh of connections a guy called evidence uh of connections a guy called evidence uh of connections a guy called Robinson did some fantastic work Robinson did some fantastic work Robinson did some fantastic work connecting modern free mying with the connecting modern free mying with the connecting modern free mying with the Templars that was one of the early uh Templars that was one of the early uh Templars that was one of the early uh roots that I checked out he wrote born roots that I checked out he wrote born roots that I checked out he wrote born in the blood and um became a freeas on in the blood and um became a freeas on in the blood and um became a freeas on his death bed actual fact and it was his death bed actual fact and it was his death bed actual fact and it was relatively relatively easy only took a relatively relatively easy only took a relatively relatively easy only took a few years to substantiate that that was few years to substantiate that that was few years to substantiate that that was correct that the Knights Templar or the correct that the Knights Templar or the correct that the Knights Templar or the rituals used by the Knights Templar rituals used by the Knights Templar rituals used by the Knights Templar appear to be the source of the core appear to be the source of the core appear to be the source of the core rituals within Freemasonry so I then rituals within Freemasonry so I then rituals within Freemasonry so I then spent 20 years finding out where the spent 20 years finding out where the spent 20 years finding out where the Templars got their rituals from uh by Templars got their rituals from uh by Templars got their rituals from uh by tracing back ancient tracing back ancient tracing back ancient Judaism man that's interesting so you Judaism man that's interesting so you Judaism man that's interesting so you trace Freemasonry back 6,000 years this trace Freemasonry back 6,000 years this trace Freemasonry back 6,000 years this tradition back to the Knights Templar tradition back to the Knights Templar tradition back to the Knights Templar that's well established if we go before that's well established if we go before that's well established if we go before that are there any groups that had this that are there any groups that had this that are there any groups that had this body of knowledge that we might body of knowledge that we might body of knowledge that we might recognize or are worth noting well a recognize or are worth noting well a recognize or are worth noting well a body of knowledge it is for sure that body of knowledge it is for sure that body of knowledge it is for sure that but that's makes it sound like it's but that's makes it sound like it's but that's makes it sound like it's something in a chest very sort of very

something in a chest very sort of very something in a chest very sort of very contained it's much more um it's much contained it's much more um it's much contained it's much more um it's much broader than that but what I found is broader than that but what I found is broader than that but what I found is the knight's Templar who dug in the the knight's Templar who dug in the the knight's Templar who dug in the temple of Jerusalem in the early 12th temple of Jerusalem in the early 12th temple of Jerusalem in the early 12th century had found all sorts of things century had found all sorts of things century had found all sorts of things that turned them from being poverty that turned them from being poverty that turned them from being poverty strick no marks into the world's richest strick no marks into the world's richest strick no marks into the world's richest most influential people within a handful most influential people within a handful most influential people within a handful of years and so what I wanted to try and of years and so what I wanted to try and of years and so what I wanted to try and find out is what they had found and how find out is what they had found and how find out is what they had found and how they' found it under the Temple of they' found it under the Temple of they' found it under the Temple of Jerusalem and the Temple of Jerusalem Jerusalem and the Temple of Jerusalem Jerusalem and the Temple of Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD by Titus the was destroyed in 70 AD by Titus the was destroyed in 70 AD by Titus the Romans um who killed 1.3 million Jews Romans um who killed 1.3 million Jews Romans um who killed 1.3 million Jews according to the available evidence in according to the available evidence in according to the available evidence in this terrible War and the Jews the this terrible War and the Jews the this terrible War and the Jews the essenes in particular hid their essenes in particular hid their essenes in particular hid their documentations under the Temple of documentations under the Temple of documentations under the Temple of Jerusalem and in other places such as Jerusalem and in other places such as Jerusalem and in other places such as kumra where the Dead Sea Scrolls were kumra where the Dead Sea Scrolls were kumra where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found which recall what was buried under found which recall what was buried under found which recall what was buried under under the temple in Jerusalem tell us under the temple in Jerusalem tell us under the temple in Jerusalem tell us exactly where they were and what was exactly where they were and what was exactly where they were and what was buried um so everything was put buried um so everything was put buried um so everything was put underground at this period in the first underground at this period in the first underground at this period in the first century very shortly after the killing century very shortly after the killing century very shortly after the killing of Jesus Christ and his brother James of Jesus Christ and his brother James of Jesus Christ and his brother James this terrible War sprung up and this terrible War sprung up and this terrible War sprung up and everything was buried so I had to try everything was buried so I had to try everything was buried so I had to try and work out what it was that these and work out what it was that these and work out what it was that these people possessed that they buried that people possessed that they buried that people possessed that they buried that could have been dug up and to do that could have been dug up and to do that could have been dug up and to do that this was purely for personal interest I this was purely for personal interest I this was purely for personal interest I wasn't thinking of writing book or wasn't thinking of writing book or wasn't thinking of writing book or sharing the information with anybody sharing the information with anybody sharing the information with anybody particularly um I went back to the particularly um I went back to the particularly um I went back to the earliest known times of prejudism and

earliest known times of prejudism and earliest known times of prejudism and reconstructed uh what it could be that reconstructed uh what it could be that reconstructed uh what it could be that they buried and I didn't expect succeed they buried and I didn't expect succeed they buried and I didn't expect succeed but I pretty well had a clear idea but I pretty well had a clear idea but I pretty well had a clear idea because there were two or three strands because there were two or three strands because there were two or three strands of judism and and modern Judaism is is of judism and and modern Judaism is is of judism and and modern Judaism is is little connected to the in noan Judaism little connected to the in noan Judaism little connected to the in noan Judaism that was very very important in that per that was very very important in that per that was very very important in that per period so it is somewhat complex but for period so it is somewhat complex but for period so it is somewhat complex but for sure it follows down that route but as sure it follows down that route but as sure it follows down that route but as you go back further in time it gets you go back further in time it gets you go back further in time it gets richer uh and more more diverse but the richer uh and more more diverse but the richer uh and more more diverse but the evidence gets harder my first book the evidence gets harder my first book the evidence gets harder my first book the harm key was fairly philosophical trying harm key was fairly philosophical trying harm key was fairly philosophical trying to put things together and make sense of to put things together and make sense of to put things together and make sense of patterns and people could say well I patterns and people could say well I patterns and people could say well I disagree with that and I'd say fine okay disagree with that and I'd say fine okay disagree with that and I'd say fine okay I disagree but the evidence suggests to I disagree but the evidence suggests to I disagree but the evidence suggests to me there's this and this but as the me there's this and this but as the me there's this and this but as the years have gone by uh particularly years have gone by uh particularly years have gone by uh particularly recent or relatively recent years recent or relatively recent years recent or relatively recent years working with Alan Butler it's hard working with Alan Butler it's hard working with Alan Butler it's hard science you know we only deal in science you know we only deal in science you know we only deal in testable checkable facts so it isn't a testable checkable facts so it isn't a testable checkable facts so it isn't a case that someone can say well I case that someone can say well I case that someone can say well I disagree with that you say why where's disagree with that you say why where's disagree with that you say why where's your evidence MH we're talking about your evidence MH we're talking about your evidence MH we're talking about testable checkable scientific facts now testable checkable scientific facts now testable checkable scientific facts now um which is very unusual in this a in um which is very unusual in this a in um which is very unusual in this a in this Arena because archaeologists and this Arena because archaeologists and this Arena because archaeologists and theologists um can be the world's worst theologists um can be the world's worst theologists um can be the world's worst for coming up with Grand theories of the for coming up with Grand theories of the for coming up with Grand theories of the way things are because they've got way things are because they've got way things are because they've got wonderful degree from the right wonderful degree from the right wonderful degree from the right University and they think their opinion University and they think their opinion University and they think their opinion is therefore extremely valuable to is therefore extremely valuable to is therefore extremely valuable to mankind rather than actually setting out

mankind rather than actually setting out mankind rather than actually setting out to prove what they're saying is correct to prove what they're saying is correct to prove what they're saying is correct so it's somewhat unusual to to be so it's somewhat unusual to to be so it's somewhat unusual to to be dealing with hard facts in this this dealing with hard facts in this this dealing with hard facts in this this type of Arena but on this journey type of Arena but on this journey type of Arena but on this journey particularly in recent years I've particularly in recent years I've particularly in recent years I've undergone a major change in what I undergone a major change in what I undergone a major change in what I accept as being real because I was very accept as being real because I was very accept as being real because I was very very sort of matter of fact and very very sort of matter of fact and very very sort of matter of fact and very disapproving of um what you might call disapproving of um what you might call disapproving of um what you might call Fringe theories but now I'm in Fringe theories but now I'm in Fringe theories but now I'm in possession of what is deemed by many to possession of what is deemed by many to possession of what is deemed by many to be a fringe Theory but yet I have the be a fringe Theory but yet I have the be a fringe Theory but yet I have the evidence to substantiate it and and many evidence to substantiate it and and many evidence to substantiate it and and many heavy duty scientists have looked at it heavy duty scientists have looked at it heavy duty scientists have looked at it and said my God yeah you're right that's and said my God yeah you're right that's and said my God yeah you're right that's checkable testable and correct so checkable testable and correct so checkable testable and correct so there's a bit of a battle going on here there's a bit of a battle going on here there's a bit of a battle going on here but sort of standard wisdoms get passed but sort of standard wisdoms get passed but sort of standard wisdoms get passed down universities even though the down universities even though the down universities even though the complete bunam so takes a generation to complete bunam so takes a generation to complete bunam so takes a generation to u to shift some uh old u to shift some uh old u to shift some uh old nonsense yeah I hear that and uh it is nonsense yeah I hear that and uh it is nonsense yeah I hear that and uh it is just a fascinating amount of research just a fascinating amount of research just a fascinating amount of research you've done and I guess to uh segue into you've done and I guess to uh segue into you've done and I guess to uh segue into the study of measurements that's kind of the study of measurements that's kind of the study of measurements that's kind of where a lot of this evidence uh gets where a lot of this evidence uh gets where a lot of this evidence uh gets into some really outrageous Concepts into some really outrageous Concepts into some really outrageous Concepts that I don't think many people are that I don't think many people are that I don't think many people are familiar with but um talk to us about familiar with but um talk to us about familiar with but um talk to us about how this interest in Freemasonry LED you how this interest in Freemasonry LED you how this interest in Freemasonry LED you into this study of measurement into this study of measurement into this study of measurement um well I everything I've done even um well I everything I've done even um well I everything I've done even though the various books I've written though the various books I've written though the various books I've written seem to be on or can appear to be on seem to be on or can appear to be on seem to be on or can appear to be on quite different subjects everything is a quite different subjects everything is a quite different subjects everything is a Continuum everything follows through but

Continuum everything follows through but Continuum everything follows through but there was something of a break point uh there was something of a break point uh there was something of a break point uh and that's I guess when Alan Butler read and that's I guess when Alan Butler read and that's I guess when Alan Butler read U some of my material and he contacted U some of my material and he contacted U some of my material and he contacted me and said I don't quite know why but I me and said I don't quite know why but I me and said I don't quite know why but I he said I think my work he meeting your he said I think my work he meeting your he said I think my work he meeting your work here and true enough when I met him work here and true enough when I met him work here and true enough when I met him it was indeed it was indeed it was indeed and and and um the origins of um the origins of um the origins of Freemasonry are L lay in the Freemasonry are L lay in the Freemasonry are L lay in the understanding of stones but not stones understanding of stones but not stones understanding of stones but not stones for building houses per se it's stones for building houses per se it's stones for building houses per se it's stones that were used in astrological that were used in astrological that were used in astrological observation and in ancient super ancient observation and in ancient super ancient observation and in ancient super ancient times things like Stonehenge and times things like Stonehenge and times things like Stonehenge and structures that were built to observe structures that were built to observe structures that were built to observe the moons of stars and planets and so the moons of stars and planets and so the moons of stars and planets and so forth that's what the stonework was all forth that's what the stonework was all forth that's what the stonework was all about um like the ancient monuments and about um like the ancient monuments and about um like the ancient monuments and um there was a particular period when um there was a particular period when um there was a particular period when Allan and I stepped back to look at some Allan and I stepped back to look at some Allan and I stepped back to look at some work done by one engineer from Oxford work done by one engineer from Oxford work done by one engineer from Oxford University a renowned professor of University a renowned professor of University a renowned professor of mathematics the building of mathematics mathematics the building of mathematics mathematics the building of mathematics at Oxford University is named after him at Oxford University is named after him at Oxford University is named after him today uh the Alexander Tom building now today uh the Alexander Tom building now today uh the Alexander Tom building now this guy was a genius and he spent 50 this guy was a genius and he spent 50 this guy was a genius and he spent 50 years surveying megalithic sites and he years surveying megalithic sites and he years surveying megalithic sites and he identified that there was a standard identified that there was a standard identified that there was a standard unit of measurement or a series of unit of measurement or a series of unit of measurement or a series of measurements around this One Core unit measurements around this One Core unit measurements around this One Core unit that had been used that is more accurate that had been used that is more accurate that had been used that is more accurate than anything we do today in terms of than anything we do today in terms of than anything we do today in terms of building it's like human hairs width and building it's like human hairs width and building it's like human hairs width and everyone things that the Stone Age everyone things that the Stone Age everyone things that the Stone Age period were completely The Flintstones period were completely The Flintstones period were completely The Flintstones you know sort of Rough and Ready you

you know sort of Rough and Ready you you know sort of Rough and Ready you know sort of uh playing your records the know sort of uh playing your records the know sort of uh playing your records the beak of some bird you know right but it beak of some bird you know right but it beak of some bird you know right but it wasn't it was super science and he wasn't it was super science and he wasn't it was super science and he argued this and the archaeologist said argued this and the archaeologist said argued this and the archaeologist said oh you're an idiot you're just an oh you're an idiot you're just an oh you're an idiot you're just an engineer from Oxford University what do engineer from Oxford University what do engineer from Oxford University what do you know about archaeology we shall you know about archaeology we shall you know about archaeology we shall ignore you because you're wrong and he ignore you because you're wrong and he ignore you because you're wrong and he said look I don't know why I'm right but said look I don't know why I'm right but said look I don't know why I'm right but this is I've surveyed hundreds and this is I've surveyed hundreds and this is I've surveyed hundreds and hundreds of sites uh over 50 years from hundreds of sites uh over 50 years from hundreds of sites uh over 50 years from Northern Scotland down down to Western Northern Scotland down down to Western Northern Scotland down down to Western France and I tell you this unit was used France and I tell you this unit was used France and I tell you this unit was used everywhere over a thousand years and everywhere over a thousand years and everywhere over a thousand years and thousands of square miles so I came up thousands of square miles so I came up thousands of square miles so I came up with the one thought which with the one thought which with the one thought which was if this unitive version really did was if this unitive version really did was if this unitive version really did exist it wouldn't be an abstraction it exist it wouldn't be an abstraction it exist it wouldn't be an abstraction it wouldn't someone didn't wake up one day wouldn't someone didn't wake up one day wouldn't someone didn't wake up one day and say hey I think this is a really and say hey I think this is a really and say hey I think this is a really neat length let's let's everyone use it neat length let's let's everyone use it neat length let's let's everyone use it right what is it what's this length well right what is it what's this length well right what is it what's this length well it's just the length of this stick so it's just the length of this stick so it's just the length of this stick so let's make this the holy stick he let's make this the holy stick he let's make this the holy stick he admitted that wouldn't work you couldn't admitted that wouldn't work you couldn't admitted that wouldn't work you couldn't do it it physically wouldn't work so my do it it physically wouldn't work so my do it it physically wouldn't work so my gamble was that somehow there was gamble was that somehow there was gamble was that somehow there was something in nature that was repeatable something in nature that was repeatable something in nature that was repeatable everyone could in isolation and if they everyone could in isolation and if they everyone could in isolation and if they knew how to do it could work this out knew how to do it could work this out knew how to do it could work this out well it doesn't take too too long to well it doesn't take too too long to well it doesn't take too too long to work out that there's only one thing work out that there's only one thing work out that there's only one thing Thomas Jefferson did it when he set out Thomas Jefferson did it when he set out Thomas Jefferson did it when he set out to make a new system of measurements the to make a new system of measurements the to make a new system of measurements the for the new USA although they weren't for the new USA although they weren't for the new USA although they weren't adopted and that is the movement of the adopted and that is the movement of the adopted and that is the movement of the Earth on its axis which is perceived as Earth on its axis which is perceived as Earth on its axis which is perceived as the Stars moving overhead so if you can the Stars moving overhead so if you can the Stars moving overhead so if you can measure the movement of those Stars

measure the movement of those Stars measure the movement of those Stars appropriately you can produce units of appropriately you can produce units of appropriately you can produce units of length of time of weight of mass of length of time of weight of mass of length of time of weight of mass of capacity of everything even temperature capacity of everything even temperature capacity of everything even temperature wow and it all stems that was the hunch wow and it all stems that was the hunch wow and it all stems that was the hunch and very very quickly go we found and very very quickly go we found and very very quickly go we found exactly because it's so basic and so exactly because it's so basic and so exactly because it's so basic and so important exactly what he did and then important exactly what he did and then important exactly what he did and then afterwards after publishing the book to afterwards after publishing the book to afterwards after publishing the book to say this we found the archaeological say this we found the archaeological say this we found the archaeological evidence that fitted it now the proof of evidence that fitted it now the proof of evidence that fitted it now the proof of any good theory is to subsequently find any good theory is to subsequently find any good theory is to subsequently find evidence that bears it out well that's evidence that bears it out well that's evidence that bears it out well that's exactly what happened we exactly what happened we exactly what happened we found huge amounts of really important found huge amounts of really important found huge amounts of really important archaological evidence that just Bears archaological evidence that just Bears archaological evidence that just Bears this out completely so it it's turned this out completely so it it's turned this out completely so it it's turned from from from opinion and Theory to check out the opinion and Theory to check out the opinion and Theory to check out the facts man you know yeah let's not debate facts man you know yeah let's not debate facts man you know yeah let's not debate nonsense let's debate some hard facts nonsense let's debate some hard facts nonsense let's debate some hard facts get your ruler out check this um but it get your ruler out check this um but it get your ruler out check this um but it the we really seriously weird thing of the we really seriously weird thing of the we really seriously weird thing of course is that this system that existed course is that this system that existed course is that this system that existed five and 6,000 years ago which is very five and 6,000 years ago which is very five and 6,000 years ago which is very demonstrably there is not uh something demonstrably there is not uh something demonstrably there is not uh something that disappeared it is the basis of the that disappeared it is the basis of the that disappeared it is the basis of the imperial measurement system it is the imperial measurement system it is the imperial measurement system it is the basic of the metric system both are two basic of the metric system both are two basic of the metric system both are two halves of the same thing and can be halves of the same thing and can be halves of the same thing and can be tracked back and they're both perfectly tracked back and they're both perfectly tracked back and they're both perfectly astronomically um perfect within this astronomically um perfect within this astronomically um perfect within this system which shows an understanding not system which shows an understanding not system which shows an understanding not only of the Earth but of the Moon and

only of the Earth but of the Moon and only of the Earth but of the Moon and the Sun as well yeah it is pretty the Sun as well yeah it is pretty the Sun as well yeah it is pretty amazing and it's crazy it is it is and amazing and it's crazy it is it is and amazing and it's crazy it is it is and let's look at some of that let's look at some of that let's look at some of that archaeological evidence what are some of archaeological evidence what are some of archaeological evidence what are some of the first big structures we see using the first big structures we see using the first big structures we see using this set of measurement some of the this set of measurement some of the this set of measurement some of the henes right um exactly the really henes right um exactly the really henes right um exactly the really astonishing ones we found were not far astonishing ones we found were not far astonishing ones we found were not far from where I live in uh in yoria in in from where I live in uh in yoria in in from where I live in uh in yoria in in England which is Happy coincidence for England which is Happy coincidence for England which is Happy coincidence for me because I've traveled all around the me because I've traveled all around the me because I've traveled all around the world looking at all sorts of things world looking at all sorts of things world looking at all sorts of things which is very strange that it's which is very strange that it's which is very strange that it's relatively close to uh to my home but um relatively close to uh to my home but um relatively close to uh to my home but um they were building these things 5 and a they were building these things 5 and a they were building these things 5 and a half thousand years ago before they half thousand years ago before they half thousand years ago before they started building in stone and there are started building in stone and there are started building in stone and there are um three gigantic henes which are um three gigantic henes which are um three gigantic henes which are circular Earthworks which are still circular Earthworks which are still circular Earthworks which are still there and they're a thousand years older there and they're a thousand years older there and they're a thousand years older than the Pyramids of Giza and they are than the Pyramids of Giza and they are than the Pyramids of Giza and they are the pyramids of Giza are an exact copy the pyramids of Giza are an exact copy the pyramids of Giza are an exact copy of them right the center is identical of them right the center is identical of them right the center is identical it's reduced scale because the pyramids it's reduced scale because the pyramids it's reduced scale because the pyramids aren't as big but they're for exactly aren't as big but they're for exactly aren't as big but they're for exactly the same purpose the really interesting the same purpose the really interesting the same purpose the really interesting thing is once you understand the thing is once you understand the thing is once you understand the principles that had to be used to site principles that had to be used to site principles that had to be used to site the pids of Giza uh near Cairo all the the pids of Giza uh near Cairo all the the pids of Giza uh near Cairo all the calculations were done in England at calculations were done in England at calculations were done in England at this site it's very evident that I don't this site it's very evident that I don't this site it's very evident that I don't know whether the Egyptian astronomers know whether the Egyptian astronomers know whether the Egyptian astronomers came to this location to um to borrow came to this location to um to borrow came to this location to um to borrow this thousand year old information or this thousand year old information or this thousand year old information or whether they people that built it a whether they people that built it a whether they people that built it a thousand years earlier were Egyptians

thousand years earlier were Egyptians thousand years earlier were Egyptians that had come to this site because it's that had come to this site because it's that had come to this site because it's very astronomically important uh point very astronomically important uh point very astronomically important uh point on the earth so I'm not saying that as on the earth so I'm not saying that as on the earth so I'm not saying that as sprits invented the pyramids all I don't sprits invented the pyramids all I don't sprits invented the pyramids all I don't know who did it all I know is where they know who did it all I know is where they know who did it all I know is where they did what and how and when because you did what and how and when because you did what and how and when because you can work all that out from the can work all that out from the can work all that out from the astronomical effect effects um and the astronomical effect effects um and the astronomical effect effects um and the pyramids for sure are a copy of Orion's pyramids for sure are a copy of Orion's pyramids for sure are a copy of Orion's Belt good friend of mine Robert Bal has Belt good friend of mine Robert Bal has Belt good friend of mine Robert Bal has written hugely about that Orion uh written hugely about that Orion uh written hugely about that Orion uh arrangement in my view he's got it arrangement in my view he's got it arrangement in my view he's got it slightly upside down but we still have slightly upside down but we still have slightly upside down but we still have heated debates about that Robert and I heated debates about that Robert and I heated debates about that Robert and I but the fact remains that this site is a but the fact remains that this site is a but the fact remains that this site is a thousand years older far bigger and thousand years older far bigger and thousand years older far bigger and exactly the same layout is in the UK exactly the same layout is in the UK exactly the same layout is in the UK here and the dimensions of it are um here and the dimensions of it are um here and the dimensions of it are um perfect for the measurement of syst the perfect for the measurement of syst the perfect for the measurement of syst the the system of measurement that uh we the system of measurement that uh we the system of measurement that uh we identified from this professor Alexander identified from this professor Alexander identified from this professor Alexander Tom to the point where there are so Tom to the point where there are so Tom to the point where there are so detailed and so accurate that they led detailed and so accurate that they led detailed and so accurate that they led us to understand a very special nature us to understand a very special nature us to understand a very special nature of Pi and we were contacted by a of Pi and we were contacted by a of Pi and we were contacted by a professor in Canada who HS of a PhD in professor in Canada who HS of a PhD in professor in Canada who HS of a PhD in physics and in chemistry which is physics and in chemistry which is physics and in chemistry which is unusual and he said said this is this unusual and he said said this is this unusual and he said said this is this this is actually a breakthrough for this is actually a breakthrough for this is actually a breakthrough for mathematics let alone um archaeology how mathematics let alone um archaeology how mathematics let alone um archaeology how on Earth have you done this and we said on Earth have you done this and we said on Earth have you done this and we said well we didn't do it these ancients did well we didn't do it these ancients did well we didn't do it these ancients did it all we've done is spot it so um these it all we've done is spot it so um these it all we've done is spot it so um these are very very important sites and and are very very important sites and and are very very important sites and and and little known they're a place called

and little known they're a place called and little known they're a place called Thornbury and um there are tens of Thornbury and um there are tens of Thornbury and um there are tens of thousands of sites in Western Europe thousands of sites in Western Europe thousands of sites in Western Europe that show exactly the same thing yeah I that show exactly the same thing yeah I that show exactly the same thing yeah I think that would surprise some people think that would surprise some people think that would surprise some people that Stonehenge really is just one of that Stonehenge really is just one of that Stonehenge really is just one of many henges many Stone circles out there many henges many Stone circles out there many henges many Stone circles out there and uh and a very recent one a very and uh and a very recent one a very and uh and a very recent one a very young one yeah ston Hench being one of young one yeah ston Hench being one of young one yeah ston Hench being one of the one of the youngest and there's not the one of the youngest and there's not the one of the youngest and there's not a lot of researchers out there making a lot of researchers out there making a lot of researchers out there making that connection between these henges and that connection between these henges and that connection between these henges and Egypt I mean that and the pyramids I Egypt I mean that and the pyramids I Egypt I mean that and the pyramids I mean that's pretty uh radical to play mean that's pretty uh radical to play mean that's pretty uh radical to play Devil's Advocate do you think that these Devil's Advocate do you think that these Devil's Advocate do you think that these two different groups could have stumbled two different groups could have stumbled two different groups could have stumbled upon this information independently kind upon this information independently kind upon this information independently kind of like Jefferson did or is there Ence of like Jefferson did or is there Ence of like Jefferson did or is there Ence that there was actually a connection that there was actually a connection that there was actually a connection that's a good question because for sure that's a good question because for sure that's a good question because for sure there are some basic science facts that there are some basic science facts that there are some basic science facts that would that would cause people to stumble would that would cause people to stumble would that would cause people to stumble on the same things as you say as Thomas on the same things as you say as Thomas on the same things as you say as Thomas Jefferson did but that is not the case Jefferson did but that is not the case Jefferson did but that is not the case because there are two many connections because there are two many connections because there are two many connections like the the basic unit of area that was like the the basic unit of area that was like the the basic unit of area that was adopted for use in ancient Egypt is adopted for use in ancient Egypt is adopted for use in ancient Egypt is identical to um that used at Stone Henge identical to um that used at Stone Henge identical to um that used at Stone Henge there clearly was uh an interchange there clearly was uh an interchange there clearly was uh an interchange between the two cultures or it was one between the two cultures or it was one between the two cultures or it was one culture there may have been a culture there may have been a culture there may have been a international priesthood that exchanged international priesthood that exchanged international priesthood that exchanged ideas and went to different places on ideas and went to different places on ideas and went to different places on the surface of the planet to get the surface of the planet to get the surface of the planet to get different astronomical Advantage because different astronomical Advantage because different astronomical Advantage because this Thornbury site for example is this Thornbury site for example is this Thornbury site for example is exactly on10th of the polar exactly on10th of the polar exactly on10th of the polar circumference of the earth from the circumference of the earth from the circumference of the earth from the North Pole and has other features as

North Pole and has other features as North Pole and has other features as well so they picked out these locations well so they picked out these locations well so they picked out these locations for very precise reasons so it may well for very precise reasons so it may well for very precise reasons so it may well be that there was a single what we might be that there was a single what we might be that there was a single what we might call priesthood or group of scientists I call priesthood or group of scientists I call priesthood or group of scientists I mean the priest scientists were the same mean the priest scientists were the same mean the priest scientists were the same thing stone masons they were all you thing stone masons they were all you thing stone masons they were all you know they one of the same people right know they one of the same people right know they one of the same people right it all went backwards a little bit when it all went backwards a little bit when it all went backwards a little bit when when the Kings rose up in Egypt the when the Kings rose up in Egypt the when the Kings rose up in Egypt the period of the Kings when they became period of the Kings when they became period of the Kings when they became Vain and they wanted to this this magic Vain and they wanted to this this magic Vain and they wanted to this this magic and they wanted to turn into something and they wanted to turn into something and they wanted to turn into something that made them live forever and the that made them live forever and the that made them live forever and the scientists will have gone oh my God scientists will have gone oh my God scientists will have gone oh my God what's he doing um it's not about that what's he doing um it's not about that what's he doing um it's not about that it's much more important than that but it's much more important than that but it's much more important than that but there again having said that is very there again having said that is very there again having said that is very clear evidence that also what they were clear evidence that also what they were clear evidence that also what they were doing was direct ly connected to the doing was direct ly connected to the doing was direct ly connected to the essence of what being a human is and had essence of what being a human is and had essence of what being a human is and had all sorts of connections to the way the all sorts of connections to the way the all sorts of connections to the way the brain functions um their science was was brain functions um their science was was brain functions um their science was was far from backward and I and I speak here far from backward and I and I speak here far from backward and I and I speak here as someone that just doesn't believe as someone that just doesn't believe as someone that just doesn't believe this sort of stuff normally right I've this sort of stuff normally right I've this sort of stuff normally right I've been an Atheist to all intents and been an Atheist to all intents and been an Atheist to all intents and purposes all my life and I'm no longer purposes all my life and I'm no longer purposes all my life and I'm no longer and I've been very disbelieving of and I've been very disbelieving of and I've been very disbelieving of um non-standard theories until um non-standard theories until um non-standard theories until relatively recently and now relatively recently and now relatively recently and now I have I have I have to uh admit that I've I've had it wrong to uh admit that I've I've had it wrong to uh admit that I've I've had it wrong for many many for many many for many many years man H so much information I'm me years man H so much information I'm me years man H so much information I'm me being conspiratorial minded I'm being conspiratorial minded I'm being conspiratorial minded I'm definitely intrigued by the idea of an definitely intrigued by the idea of an definitely intrigued by the idea of an international priesthood looking for international priesthood looking for international priesthood looking for Vantage points around the planet I think Vantage points around the planet I think Vantage points around the planet I think that's pretty interesting but you

that's pretty interesting but you that's pretty interesting but you mentioned that you think uh baval has it mentioned that you think uh baval has it mentioned that you think uh baval has it upside down when talking about Orion's upside down when talking about Orion's upside down when talking about Orion's Belt and the pyramids what what do you Belt and the pyramids what what do you Belt and the pyramids what what do you mean by that I think a lot of the mean by that I think a lot of the mean by that I think a lot of the listeners will be familiar with bral's listeners will be familiar with bral's listeners will be familiar with bral's ideas what do you mean by he it ideas what do you mean by he it ideas what do you mean by he it backwards or upside down yeah sure his backwards or upside down yeah sure his backwards or upside down yeah sure his main critics have have said he appears main critics have have said he appears main critics have have said he appears of it upside down and he says nonsense of it upside down and he says nonsense of it upside down and he says nonsense I've done this properly and because it I've done this properly and because it I've done this properly and because it doesn't quite fit uh with Orion's Belt doesn't quite fit uh with Orion's Belt doesn't quite fit uh with Orion's Belt he said well they weren't that good or he said well they weren't that good or he said well they weren't that good or Engineers if it couldn't be that perfect Engineers if it couldn't be that perfect Engineers if it couldn't be that perfect and I said look Robert look at it the and I said look Robert look at it the and I said look Robert look at it the other way up and it is absolutely other way up and it is absolutely other way up and it is absolutely perfect as indeed the thornbery henes perfect as indeed the thornbery henes perfect as indeed the thornbery henes are these guys were not dumb they had are these guys were not dumb they had are these guys were not dumb they had methods which I which I believe I I have methods which I which I believe I I have methods which I which I believe I I have at least one way of doing it of uh at least one way of doing it of uh at least one way of doing it of uh transferring what you see in the sky transferring what you see in the sky transferring what you see in the sky onto the ground with huge accuracy with onto the ground with huge accuracy with onto the ground with huge accuracy with with very simple tools but what I with very simple tools but what I with very simple tools but what I believe that they did is that they believe that they did is that they believe that they did is that they believed that the the world above was on believed that the the world above was on believed that the the world above was on the same plane so the people in the the same plane so the people in the the same plane so the people in the afterlife datat were looking down onto afterlife datat were looking down onto afterlife datat were looking down onto the pyramids so the pyramids that if you the pyramids so the pyramids that if you the pyramids so the pyramids that if you were looking beyond the stars if they were looking beyond the stars if they were looking beyond the stars if they were on a canopy they they would look were on a canopy they they would look were on a canopy they they would look the same looking down whereas Roberts the same looking down whereas Roberts the same looking down whereas Roberts looking them as a mirror image they looking them as a mirror image they looking them as a mirror image they weren't a mirror image they were looking weren't a mirror image they were looking weren't a mirror image they were looking straight down so wow um I believe they straight down so wow um I believe they straight down so wow um I believe they are the slight inaccuracy is due to the are the slight inaccuracy is due to the are the slight inaccuracy is due to the fact that the he's got the uh the wrong fact that the he's got the uh the wrong fact that the he's got the uh the wrong star each end the center star being the

star each end the center star being the star each end the center star being the same in both cases got you literally same in both cases got you literally same in both cases got you literally upside down yeah it is just um a simple upside down yeah it is just um a simple upside down yeah it is just um a simple way of looking interpreting the way that way of looking interpreting the way that way of looking interpreting the way that they wrote about um the afterlife they they wrote about um the afterlife they they wrote about um the afterlife they look down to the Earth from above and look down to the Earth from above and look down to the Earth from above and they saw if you took the Pinnacles of they saw if you took the Pinnacles of they saw if you took the Pinnacles of the pyramid the three Giza Pyramids and the pyramid the three Giza Pyramids and the pyramid the three Giza Pyramids and other pyramids upwards they would map other pyramids upwards they would map other pyramids upwards they would map onto the stars under their feet if you onto the stars under their feet if you onto the stars under their feet if you see what I mean m u which is a very see what I mean m u which is a very see what I mean m u which is a very simple way of looking at it and it's simple way of looking at it and it's simple way of looking at it and it's then then then perfect but Robert's got a lot of energy perfect but Robert's got a lot of energy perfect but Robert's got a lot of energy invested in the original argument and invested in the original argument and invested in the original argument and doesn't want to want to move good fine doesn't want to want to move good fine doesn't want to want to move good fine you know we continue to have the debate you know we continue to have the debate you know we continue to have the debate and over a few beers every now and again and over a few beers every now and again and over a few beers every now and again cuz I have a house near near where he cuz I have a house near near where he cuz I have a house near near where he lives in Spain uh so we have G togethers lives in Spain uh so we have G togethers lives in Spain uh so we have G togethers and U and these brothers are very and U and these brothers are very and U and these brothers are very scientific he's a architect and um so we scientific he's a architect and um so we scientific he's a architect and um so we have some good heated discussions all have some good heated discussions all have some good heated discussions all good fun right on man sounds like a good fun right on man sounds like a good fun right on man sounds like a great place to be a fly on the wall now great place to be a fly on the wall now great place to be a fly on the wall now the listeners should know we did just the listeners should know we did just the listeners should know we did just take a slight break to switch your take a slight break to switch your take a slight break to switch your microphone because I was noticing a microphone because I was noticing a microphone because I was noticing a crinkling sound in the background maybe crinkling sound in the background maybe crinkling sound in the background maybe a loose wire or something but I think it a loose wire or something but I think it a loose wire or something but I think it might have been a bit distracting so we might have been a bit distracting so we might have been a bit distracting so we did change it up but to hop back into did change it up but to hop back into did change it up but to hop back into this thing when we're talking about this thing when we're talking about this thing when we're talking about ancients having Superior knowledge and ancients having Superior knowledge and ancients having Superior knowledge and how this could be one of the major ideas how this could be one of the major ideas how this could be one of the major ideas is that of an international priesthood is that of an international priesthood is that of an international priesthood like you mentioned culture seedar or like you mentioned culture seedar or like you mentioned culture seedar or they've been called the Watchers which they've been called the Watchers which they've been called the Watchers which I'm sure we've all heard of in your work

I'm sure we've all heard of in your work I'm sure we've all heard of in your work you've also referred to them as an you've also referred to them as an you've also referred to them as an unidentified creative agency and I like unidentified creative agency and I like unidentified creative agency and I like that term too but you mentioned that that term too but you mentioned that that term too but you mentioned that there are localized differences in the there are localized differences in the there are localized differences in the material in the various Pockets you material in the various Pockets you material in the various Pockets you found it used but the commonalities are found it used but the commonalities are found it used but the commonalities are pyramid building and Venus worship and pyramid building and Venus worship and pyramid building and Venus worship and it's a curious thing but why do you it's a curious thing but why do you it's a curious thing but why do you think these two tenants were always so think these two tenants were always so think these two tenants were always so important um pyramids seem to appear in important um pyramids seem to appear in important um pyramids seem to appear in every culture around the world and I every culture around the world and I every culture around the world and I don't quite understand that other than don't quite understand that other than don't quite understand that other than they are artificial mountains if you they are artificial mountains if you they are artificial mountains if you like so if you want to reach to the god like so if you want to reach to the god like so if you want to reach to the god you go to top of a mountain you go to top of a mountain you go to top of a mountain traditionally so if you don't have a traditionally so if you don't have a traditionally so if you don't have a mountain or you don't have the mountain mountain or you don't have the mountain mountain or you don't have the mountain where you want it you build a pyramid where you want it you build a pyramid where you want it you build a pyramid and there were pyramids in the United and there were pyramids in the United and there were pyramids in the United States before Columbus um for example MH States before Columbus um for example MH States before Columbus um for example MH they're in every culture but the worship they're in every culture but the worship they're in every culture but the worship of Venus is very different um because it of Venus is very different um because it of Venus is very different um because it is like a a clock over 40 years it is like a a clock over 40 years it is like a a clock over 40 years it perfectly uh measures time to an perfectly uh measures time to an perfectly uh measures time to an accuracy of a fraction of a second so if accuracy of a fraction of a second so if accuracy of a fraction of a second so if you understand the movements of Venus you understand the movements of Venus you understand the movements of Venus every eight years and then more every eight years and then more every eight years and then more particularly every 40 years you you've particularly every 40 years you you've particularly every 40 years you you've got a superb calendar and it was the way got a superb calendar and it was the way got a superb calendar and it was the way of timekeeping the basis of timekeeping of timekeeping the basis of timekeeping of timekeeping the basis of timekeeping before atomic clocks clocks were before atomic clocks clocks were before atomic clocks clocks were invented in the 1950s so the tracking of invented in the 1950s so the tracking of invented in the 1950s so the tracking of Venus has always been super important to Venus has always been super important to Venus has always been super important to any any uh scientifically orientated any any uh scientifically orientated any any uh scientifically orientated culture and of course uh science and

culture and of course uh science and culture and of course uh science and astronomy has tended to become the basis astronomy has tended to become the basis astronomy has tended to become the basis of the magic and the the voodo as things of the magic and the the voodo as things of the magic and the the voodo as things regress somewhat and um lesser people regress somewhat and um lesser people regress somewhat and um lesser people don't really understand the science don't really understand the science don't really understand the science think it's something to do with the gods think it's something to do with the gods think it's something to do with the gods and so on so it gets it sort of all and so on so it gets it sort of all and so on so it gets it sort of all merges but it's heavy duty science H merges but it's heavy duty science H merges but it's heavy duty science H yeah I think this thing about Venus is yeah I think this thing about Venus is yeah I think this thing about Venus is really so amazing man and I understand really so amazing man and I understand really so amazing man and I understand what you're saying about magical what you're saying about magical what you're saying about magical interpretations and regression but I interpretations and regression but I interpretations and regression but I think there's a lot of real magic out think there's a lot of real magic out think there's a lot of real magic out there too and I've heard the pentagram there too and I've heard the pentagram there too and I've heard the pentagram symbol itself the five-pointed star was symbol itself the five-pointed star was symbol itself the five-pointed star was derived from following the path of Venus derived from following the path of Venus derived from following the path of Venus and I know you've done work on rosin and I know you've done work on rosin and I know you've done work on rosin Chapel which is another place where we Chapel which is another place where we Chapel which is another place where we see the path of Venus encoded see the path of Venus encoded see the path of Venus encoded right um yeah there's um the rosin right um yeah there's um the rosin right um yeah there's um the rosin Chapel has got really the six-sided star Chapel has got really the six-sided star Chapel has got really the six-sided star which is the symbol of Jerusalem because which is the symbol of Jerusalem because which is the symbol of Jerusalem because Ros Roslin is not a chapel never was a Ros Roslin is not a chapel never was a Ros Roslin is not a chapel never was a chapel in my view MH was built as um as chapel in my view MH was built as um as chapel in my view MH was built as um as a copy of the Jerusalem Temple by the a copy of the Jerusalem Temple by the a copy of the Jerusalem Temple by the people that were the inheritors of the people that were the inheritors of the people that were the inheritors of the knowledge of the the Knights Templar who knowledge of the the Knights Templar who knowledge of the the Knights Templar who excavated under the temple between excavated under the temple between excavated under the temple between um 1117 and 1127 now the S the six sided um 1117 and 1127 now the S the six sided um 1117 and 1127 now the S the six sided star the the Star of David or the star star the the Star of David or the star star the the Star of David or the star of Solomon or whatever you want to call of Solomon or whatever you want to call of Solomon or whatever you want to call it which is two equilateral triangles on it which is two equilateral triangles on it which is two equilateral triangles on top of each other is actually the top of each other is actually the top of each other is actually the astronomical zip code for for Jerusalem astronomical zip code for for Jerusalem astronomical zip code for for Jerusalem because if you measure the angles of the

because if you measure the angles of the because if you measure the angles of the sunrise and sunet they are 60° so they sunrise and sunet they are 60° so they sunrise and sunet they are 60° so they will naturally form that star so symbol will naturally form that star so symbol will naturally form that star so symbol is is actually the symbol of Jerusalem is is actually the symbol of Jerusalem is is actually the symbol of Jerusalem which was first adopted by the knights which was first adopted by the knights which was first adopted by the knights Temple it's not a Jewish symbol at all Temple it's not a Jewish symbol at all Temple it's not a Jewish symbol at all or at least not a modern Jewish symbol or at least not a modern Jewish symbol or at least not a modern Jewish symbol it's a super ancient Jewish symbol but it's a super ancient Jewish symbol but it's a super ancient Jewish symbol but not um Judaism of the synagogue of today not um Judaism of the synagogue of today not um Judaism of the synagogue of today in fact the the synagogues copied it in fact the the synagogues copied it in fact the the synagogues copied it from the knights templers in the Middle from the knights templers in the Middle from the knights templers in the Middle Ages because they thought hey that's Ages because they thought hey that's Ages because they thought hey that's pretty neat so they started to use that pretty neat so they started to use that pretty neat so they started to use that six-sided star but that is the basis of six-sided star but that is the basis of six-sided star but that is the basis of what's in Rosen chapel and a certain what's in Rosen chapel and a certain what's in Rosen chapel and a certain fure fiction writer the used rosin fure fiction writer the used rosin fure fiction writer the used rosin Chapel in his bestselling book pinch my Chapel in his bestselling book pinch my Chapel in his bestselling book pinch my observation about that being the basis observation about that being the basis observation about that being the basis of rosling Chapel although he claimed it of rosling Chapel although he claimed it of rosling Chapel although he claimed it was carved into the the floor which he was carved into the the floor which he was carved into the the floor which he didn't it's just the core of the design didn't it's just the core of the design didn't it's just the core of the design of the the main of the the main of the the main structure yeah I find that so structure yeah I find that so structure yeah I find that so fascinating how they could even do fascinating how they could even do fascinating how they could even do something like that but so we have this something like that but so we have this something like that but so we have this connection between some of these old connection between some of these old connection between some of these old megalithic sites we have a Stonehenge megalithic sites we have a Stonehenge megalithic sites we have a Stonehenge and a connection to the Great Pyramids and a connection to the Great Pyramids and a connection to the Great Pyramids obviously the builders had the same set obviously the builders had the same set obviously the builders had the same set of measurements that alone is pretty of measurements that alone is pretty of measurements that alone is pretty radical but tell us how the moon radical but tell us how the moon radical but tell us how the moon actually fits into this actually fits into this actually fits into this context well I end up writing a book context well I end up writing a book context well I end up writing a book provocatively called who built the moon provocatively called who built the moon provocatively called who built the moon um because Alan Butler and I wrote a um because Alan Butler and I wrote a um because Alan Butler and I wrote a book called civilization one identifying book called civilization one identifying book called civilization one identifying the existence of these measurements or the existence of these measurements or the existence of these measurements or this whole system of measurements from this whole system of measurements from this whole system of measurements from ancient times based around what alexand

ancient times based around what alexand ancient times based around what alexand Professor Alexander Tom called the Professor Alexander Tom called the Professor Alexander Tom called the megalithic yard we found that it was megalithic yard we found that it was megalithic yard we found that it was entirely entirely entirely geodetic in that it it fits the Earth geodetic in that it it fits the Earth geodetic in that it it fits the Earth perfectly um on the basis of a 366 perfectly um on the basis of a 366 perfectly um on the basis of a 366 degree Earth because that's the number degree Earth because that's the number degree Earth because that's the number of degrees that were originally because of degrees that were originally because of degrees that were originally because there are 366 rotations of the Earth in there are 366 rotations of the Earth in there are 366 rotations of the Earth in one year and they considered one one year and they considered one one year and they considered one rotation to be a degree it was lat and rotation to be a degree it was lat and rotation to be a degree it was lat and neatened up to 360 degrees in a circle neatened up to 360 degrees in a circle neatened up to 360 degrees in a circle just to make it more mathematically just to make it more mathematically just to make it more mathematically usable but the originally we usable but the originally we usable but the originally we 366 and this unit of measurement is 366 and this unit of measurement is 366 and this unit of measurement is perfect on the Earth now then we perfect on the Earth now then we perfect on the Earth now then we discover that it's perfect on the moon discover that it's perfect on the moon discover that it's perfect on the moon there are exactly 100 megalithic yards there are exactly 100 megalithic yards there are exactly 100 megalithic yards to a megalithic second on the moon there to a megalithic second on the moon there to a megalithic second on the moon there are 366 on the earth and there are are 366 on the earth and there are are 366 on the earth and there are 40,000 on the sun perfect you know to 40,000 on the sun perfect you know to 40,000 on the sun perfect you know to all to all measurable levels and we all to all measurable levels and we all to all measurable levels and we tried every other planet um in the solar tried every other planet um in the solar tried every other planet um in the solar system nothing nothing at all mhm but it system nothing nothing at all mhm but it system nothing nothing at all mhm but it works perfectly for those three works perfectly for those three works perfectly for those three bodies which is highly improbable and bodies which is highly improbable and bodies which is highly improbable and then you start to look at what else is then you start to look at what else is then you start to look at what else is known about the moon and it goes beyond known about the moon and it goes beyond known about the moon and it goes beyond improbable as many Soviet and Lally improbable as many Soviet and Lally improbable as many Soviet and Lally Russian scientists and American n NASA Russian scientists and American n NASA Russian scientists and American n NASA scientists and scientists from all scientists and scientists from all scientists and scientists from all around the world have observed the Moon around the world have observed the Moon around the world have observed the Moon is a very very strange object and it is a very very strange object and it is a very very strange object and it displays all the characteristics of displays all the characteristics of displays all the characteristics of being artificially created and put in it being artificially created and put in it being artificially created and put in it in its in its in its position the mathematics of its

position the mathematics of its position the mathematics of its structure are such that it's completely structure are such that it's completely structure are such that it's completely a copy and and a ying and yang of the a copy and and a ying and yang of the a copy and and a ying and yang of the earth not only for its Dimension and its earth not only for its Dimension and its earth not only for its Dimension and its movements and it spin every aspect about movements and it spin every aspect about movements and it spin every aspect about it is a complete it is a complete it is a complete um twin of the earth and this doesn't um twin of the earth and this doesn't um twin of the earth and this doesn't apply to any other known Moon anywhere apply to any other known Moon anywhere apply to any other known Moon anywhere it WS of a it WS of a it WS of a blueprint there's design going out right blueprint there's design going out right blueprint there's design going out right yeah you say in the book that it was yeah you say in the book that it was yeah you say in the book that it was built like a Swiss clock and I I really built like a Swiss clock and I I really built like a Swiss clock and I I really like that like that like that analogy it is a hard pill to swallow for analogy it is a hard pill to swallow for analogy it is a hard pill to swallow for some that it could be artificial I mean some that it could be artificial I mean some that it could be artificial I mean something of that of that scope but the something of that of that scope but the something of that of that scope but the more you look at space I guess the more more you look at space I guess the more more you look at space I guess the more you see that the math is just too you see that the math is just too you see that the math is just too precise that it couldn't have come about precise that it couldn't have come about precise that it couldn't have come about naturally I'm far from the first person naturally I'm far from the first person naturally I'm far from the first person and Alan butle and my co- researcher on and Alan butle and my co- researcher on and Alan butle and my co- researcher on this we're far from the first people to this we're far from the first people to this we're far from the first people to say this lots of people said it for say this lots of people said it for say this lots of people said it for different reasons we're just bringing on different reasons we're just bringing on different reasons we're just bringing on in new evidence that is like seriously in new evidence that is like seriously in new evidence that is like seriously hard that supports what's already been hard that supports what's already been hard that supports what's already been said of course the Casual Observer will said of course the Casual Observer will said of course the Casual Observer will say what that's ridiculous of course the say what that's ridiculous of course the say what that's ridiculous of course the moon's but then have they ever thought moon's but then have they ever thought moon's but then have they ever thought why an eclipse is it perfectly the same why an eclipse is it perfectly the same why an eclipse is it perfectly the same size as the sun it it's completely size as the sun it it's completely size as the sun it it's completely blocking out it's because the moon is/ blocking out it's because the moon is/ blocking out it's because the moon is/ 1400th of the diameter of the Sun but 1400th of the diameter of the Sun but 1400th of the diameter of the Sun but it's 1/ 1400th of the distance away so it's 1/ 1400th of the distance away so it's 1/ 1400th of the distance away so they fit perfectly not 399 400 and these

they fit perfectly not 399 400 and these they fit perfectly not 399 400 and these numbers keep reappearing it's it's numbers keep reappearing it's it's numbers keep reappearing it's it's deliberate as Professor Paul Davis deliberate as Professor Paul Davis deliberate as Professor Paul Davis physicist says if you want to physicist says if you want to physicist says if you want to communicate over huge periods of time communicate over huge periods of time communicate over huge periods of time you don't do what seti does send out you don't do what seti does send out you don't do what seti does send out radio messages you put lumps of rock in radio messages you put lumps of rock in radio messages you put lumps of rock in space to communicate a patent and anyone space to communicate a patent and anyone space to communicate a patent and anyone with intellect will go hey that's not with intellect will go hey that's not with intellect will go hey that's not natural that's weird and we'll start to natural that's weird and we'll start to natural that's weird and we'll start to pay attention and that's what apparently pay attention and that's what apparently pay attention and that's what apparently what is going on here now okay people what is going on here now okay people what is going on here now okay people may say if they're listening now and may say if they're listening now and may say if they're listening now and think that's ridiculous of course no think that's ridiculous of course no think that's ridiculous of course no one's built the moon well that's fine one's built the moon well that's fine one's built the moon well that's fine that's that's your theory try try some that's that's your theory try try some that's that's your theory try try some facts look at the facts and then see if facts look at the facts and then see if facts look at the facts and then see if you can come back and say that I mean I you can come back and say that I mean I you can come back and say that I mean I would have laughed at it I I would have would have laughed at it I I would have would have laughed at it I I would have gone oh my goodness no how silly but gone oh my goodness no how silly but gone oh my goodness no how silly but having gone through the facts in detail having gone through the facts in detail having gone through the facts in detail you got to come up and go oh I don't you got to come up and go oh I don't you got to come up and go oh I don't like this but it's a fact I have to like this but it's a fact I have to like this but it's a fact I have to facts you got to and uh whenever a facts you got to and uh whenever a facts you got to and uh whenever a radical idea like that is propose one of radical idea like that is propose one of radical idea like that is propose one of my favorite things is when you do my favorite things is when you do my favorite things is when you do realize just how often like you said realize just how often like you said realize just how often like you said you're not the first to come to this you're not the first to come to this you're not the first to come to this kind of conclusion and as radical as it kind of conclusion and as radical as it kind of conclusion and as radical as it is when you look back at certain is when you look back at certain is when you look back at certain freethinkers certain intellectuals who freethinkers certain intellectuals who freethinkers certain intellectuals who came to the same conclusion it becomes a came to the same conclusion it becomes a came to the same conclusion it becomes a little easier to entertain when you see little easier to entertain when you see little easier to entertain when you see from different decades different time from different decades different time from different decades different time periods smart people smarter than me who periods smart people smarter than me who periods smart people smarter than me who actually will go out on a limb and say actually will go out on a limb and say actually will go out on a limb and say something like that there must be some something like that there must be some something like that there must be some real indications Lots lots lots of them

real indications Lots lots lots of them real indications Lots lots lots of them but um you need to step aside and look but um you need to step aside and look but um you need to step aside and look in detail I mean Thomas Jefferson for in detail I mean Thomas Jefferson for in detail I mean Thomas Jefferson for example when he looked at ancient example when he looked at ancient example when he looked at ancient measurements he said how come a cubic measurements he said how come a cubic measurements he said how come a cubic foot of water holds exactly 1,000 fluid foot of water holds exactly 1,000 fluid foot of water holds exactly 1,000 fluid ounces of of distilled water he said ounces of of distilled water he said ounces of of distilled water he said that is beyond all possibility so he that is beyond all possibility so he that is beyond all possibility so he looked back at ancient measurements and looked back at ancient measurements and looked back at ancient measurements and said something going on here from Deep said something going on here from Deep said something going on here from Deep Antiquity these this is not happen Antiquity these this is not happen Antiquity these this is not happen stance this is an accident there is some stance this is an accident there is some stance this is an accident there is some design deep lost in history going on design deep lost in history going on design deep lost in history going on here and he was a smart a guy you ever here and he was a smart a guy you ever here and he was a smart a guy you ever come across I mean he he and his fellow come across I mean he he and his fellow come across I mean he he and his fellow founding fathers were just like Geniuses founding fathers were just like Geniuses founding fathers were just like Geniuses but what the work he did there with the but what the work he did there with the but what the work he did there with the tools that he had available was tools that he had available was tools that he had available was astonishing but he's just one of many astonishing but he's just one of many astonishing but he's just one of many there are all sorts of people saying there are all sorts of people saying there are all sorts of people saying coming to the same conclusions for coming to the same conclusions for coming to the same conclusions for different different different reasons and it's very easy just to go reasons and it's very easy just to go reasons and it's very easy just to go the S Squad think oh of course the's uh the S Squad think oh of course the's uh the S Squad think oh of course the's uh a natural object the fact it's a natural object the fact it's a natural object the fact it's completely different in its structure to completely different in its structure to completely different in its structure to anything known in the universe is well I anything known in the universe is well I anything known in the universe is well I didn't even know that and probably didn't even know that and probably didn't even know that and probably unimportant it is important do learn it unimportant it is important do learn it unimportant it is important do learn it these things are so important if we want these things are so important if we want these things are so important if we want to understand our future we have to to understand our future we have to to understand our future we have to understand our past and if something is understand our past and if something is understand our past and if something is going on something big is going on of going on something big is going on of going on something big is going on of course we need to know about it of course we need to know about it of course we need to know about it of course and in terms of devolution I course and in terms of devolution I course and in terms of devolution I really do see this I mean the old really do see this I mean the old really do see this I mean the old founding fathers did seem to be on a

founding fathers did seem to be on a founding fathers did seem to be on a higher level versus the politicians of higher level versus the politicians of higher level versus the politicians of today and then look at the writing and today and then look at the writing and today and then look at the writing and language of that time and how things are language of that time and how things are language of that time and how things are written at a fifth grade level today it written at a fifth grade level today it written at a fifth grade level today it seems clear there's been regression but seems clear there's been regression but seems clear there's been regression but I'm skeptical and I'm curious do you I'm skeptical and I'm curious do you I'm skeptical and I'm curious do you think it's some big unfortunate accident think it's some big unfortunate accident think it's some big unfortunate accident that we've gotten less intellectual or that we've gotten less intellectual or that we've gotten less intellectual or is it the result of an orchestrated is it the result of an orchestrated is it the result of an orchestrated campaign from the top because behind the campaign from the top because behind the campaign from the top because behind the curtain it seems like important curtain it seems like important curtain it seems like important knowledge is still traded and shared knowledge is still traded and shared knowledge is still traded and shared just not with us I've um spent quite a just not with us I've um spent quite a just not with us I've um spent quite a lot of years saying that that's a lot of years saying that that's a lot of years saying that that's a completely unnecessary conclusion and completely unnecessary conclusion and completely unnecessary conclusion and almost certainly wrong almost certainly wrong almost certainly wrong um but I'm certainly less sure um but I'm certainly less sure um but I'm certainly less sure now well I know for a fact there are now well I know for a fact there are now well I know for a fact there are certain people there is a there is a certain people there is a there is a certain people there is a there is a group of people that are more advanced group of people that are more advanced group of people that are more advanced than or haven't regressed as much as than or haven't regressed as much as than or haven't regressed as much as others have that does exist how much others have that does exist how much others have that does exist how much power they exert I don't know but they power they exert I don't know but they power they exert I don't know but they they've been pretty important in they've been pretty important in they've been pretty important in Washington DC over the last few hundred Washington DC over the last few hundred Washington DC over the last few hundred years and that sounds incredibly years and that sounds incredibly years and that sounds incredibly conspiratorial and conspiratorial and conspiratorial and um I've always sort of despaired of um I've always sort of despaired of um I've always sort of despaired of people that have those sorts of views people that have those sorts of views people that have those sorts of views but the evidence is Rockside you know but the evidence is Rockside you know but the evidence is Rockside you know right I love it man and a little bit right I love it man and a little bit right I love it man and a little bit more about the Moon I mean this is so more about the Moon I mean this is so more about the Moon I mean this is so epic who could have done this could it epic who could have done this could it epic who could have done this could it have been the cedar of knowledge many have been the cedar of knowledge many have been the cedar of knowledge many many years ago on a previous Popin no um many years ago on a previous Popin no um many years ago on a previous Popin no um this is from the beginning of uh of time

this is from the beginning of uh of time this is from the beginning of uh of time I mean the I mean the I mean the Moon is pretty well known to be largely Moon is pretty well known to be largely Moon is pretty well known to be largely made out of material removed from the made out of material removed from the made out of material removed from the Earth's surface which is pling and now Earth's surface which is pling and now Earth's surface which is pling and now the Pacific it doesn't have a central the Pacific it doesn't have a central the Pacific it doesn't have a central core like the Earth it's has uh various core like the Earth it's has uh various core like the Earth it's has uh various uh gravitational fields just under its uh gravitational fields just under its uh gravitational fields just under its surface distributed around it it's not surface distributed around it it's not surface distributed around it it's not natural it doesn't and it's not dense natural it doesn't and it's not dense natural it doesn't and it's not dense enough um and its positioning is enough um and its positioning is enough um and its positioning is completely improbable and it's position completely improbable and it's position completely improbable and it's position now is exactly in the in the position to now is exactly in the in the position to now is exactly in the in the position to alert us to it to its importance it alert us to it to its importance it alert us to it to its importance it hasn't always been in that position it's hasn't always been in that position it's hasn't always been in that position it's moved out and out and out so it's it's moved out and out and out so it's it's moved out and out and out so it's it's speaking to us now and in my book God's speaking to us now and in my book God's speaking to us now and in my book God's blueprint my most recent book I've blueprint my most recent book I've blueprint my most recent book I've suggested that God has done this to uh suggested that God has done this to uh suggested that God has done this to uh make a connection now I'm not talking make a connection now I'm not talking make a connection now I'm not talking about the God of religion oh good I'm about the God of religion oh good I'm about the God of religion oh good I'm not any sort of don't belong to any not any sort of don't belong to any not any sort of don't belong to any religion it's just there is absence of religion it's just there is absence of religion it's just there is absence of words in the English language to words in the English language to words in the English language to describe what you're talking about I'm describe what you're talking about I'm describe what you're talking about I'm talking about a higher being that talking about a higher being that talking about a higher being that designed everything and for sure designed everything and for sure designed everything and for sure designed the universe and it not only designed the universe and it not only designed the universe and it not only the the solar system but the the the the solar system but the the the the solar system but the the universe 13 and half billion years ago universe 13 and half billion years ago universe 13 and half billion years ago and the whole in my view the whole thing and the whole in my view the whole thing and the whole in my view the whole thing was done for one reason and that was to was done for one reason and that was to was done for one reason and that was to produce humans which sounds very produce humans which sounds very produce humans which sounds very arrogant but I've got good reason for arrogant but I've got good reason for arrogant but I've got good reason for believing that to be the case obviously believing that to be the case obviously believing that to be the case obviously can't categorically prove that I can I can't categorically prove that I can I can't categorically prove that I can I can prove that the solar system does but

can prove that the solar system does but can prove that the solar system does but the laws of the Universe um are the laws of the Universe um are the laws of the Universe um are completely improbable to produce us so I completely improbable to produce us so I completely improbable to produce us so I I and I certainly don't see any evidence I and I certainly don't see any evidence I and I certainly don't see any evidence that lots of people will argue with me that lots of people will argue with me that lots of people will argue with me at this for with this uh but I see no at this for with this uh but I see no at this for with this uh but I see no evidence of there being any other life evidence of there being any other life evidence of there being any other life intelligent life anywhere in the intelligent life anywhere in the intelligent life anywhere in the universe uh I think we're it and we have universe uh I think we're it and we have universe uh I think we're it and we have a huge responsibility as such because a huge responsibility as such because a huge responsibility as such because we're the the the Leading Edge of the we're the the the Leading Edge of the we're the the the Leading Edge of the Creator and that I call God and and this Creator and that I call God and and this Creator and that I call God and and this this this this entity there are ways of explaining what entity there are ways of explaining what entity there are ways of explaining what this entity might be but that's that's this entity might be but that's that's this entity might be but that's that's pure Theory but the fact is that it's pure Theory but the fact is that it's pure Theory but the fact is that it's it's pretty indisputable that there is a it's pretty indisputable that there is a it's pretty indisputable that there is a design going on here I mean take design going on here I mean take design going on here I mean take Professor Anthony Flo guy for example he Professor Anthony Flo guy for example he Professor Anthony Flo guy for example he is the was probably the greatest is the was probably the greatest is the was probably the greatest philosopher of his age he died died philosopher of his age he died died philosopher of his age he died died relatively recently um at a good old age relatively recently um at a good old age relatively recently um at a good old age and he spent his entire career being a and he spent his entire career being a and he spent his entire career being a champion of atheism saying writing books champion of atheism saying writing books champion of atheism saying writing books and papers in his whole career and very and papers in his whole career and very and papers in his whole career and very famous man saying there is no need for famous man saying there is no need for famous man saying there is no need for religion it's ridiculous the idea of religion it's ridiculous the idea of religion it's ridiculous the idea of God's God's God's ridiculous and he turned around at the ridiculous and he turned around at the ridiculous and he turned around at the end of his life not because he was end of his life not because he was end of his life not because he was fright of dying um and said the evidence fright of dying um and said the evidence fright of dying um and said the evidence has now become clear has now become clear has now become clear my life's work is wrong there is a a my life's work is wrong there is a a my life's work is wrong there is a a plan there is a courage here it's

plan there is a courage here it's plan there is a courage here it's inescapable the scientific evidence is inescapable the scientific evidence is inescapable the scientific evidence is there I have to say I'm wrong and he there I have to say I'm wrong and he there I have to say I'm wrong and he died without any religion he didn't died without any religion he didn't died without any religion he didn't believe he was going to go to heaven or believe he was going to go to heaven or believe he was going to go to heaven or anything like that he just said there is anything like that he just said there is anything like that he just said there is a grand a grand a grand plan believe it take it on board and plan believe it take it on board and plan believe it take it on board and there's lots of people like that the there's lots of people like that the there's lots of people like that the majority of people who are majority of people who are majority of people who are scientifically trained uh in the USA for scientifically trained uh in the USA for scientifically trained uh in the USA for example example example either believe in a Creator or are either believe in a Creator or are either believe in a Creator or are completely open to the idea only completely open to the idea only completely open to the idea only minority have projected it yeah it's an minority have projected it yeah it's an minority have projected it yeah it's an interesting Dynamic for sure when you interesting Dynamic for sure when you interesting Dynamic for sure when you look at the the details of the Sun Moon look at the the details of the Sun Moon look at the the details of the Sun Moon Earth system yeah you can kind of rule Earth system yeah you can kind of rule Earth system yeah you can kind of rule out Randomness as the factor um but but out Randomness as the factor um but but out Randomness as the factor um but but if we are it if if there are no other if we are it if if there are no other if we are it if if there are no other intelligent humanoid creatures in the intelligent humanoid creatures in the intelligent humanoid creatures in the universe of any kind what's the deal universe of any kind what's the deal universe of any kind what's the deal with this uh with this this God this with this uh with this this God this with this uh with this this God this Creator this higher being where Creator this higher being where Creator this higher being where obviously there's some type of uh of obviously there's some type of uh of obviously there's some type of uh of life that isn't human um not so no I life that isn't human um not so no I life that isn't human um not so no I mean that's um a very very ancient AR mean that's um a very very ancient AR mean that's um a very very ancient AR argument some ainus sort of dealt with argument some ainus sort of dealt with argument some ainus sort of dealt with that one um a long time ago that one um a long time ago that one um a long time ago but you you can't say because there is a but you you can't say because there is a but you you can't say because there is a God there must have something gone God there must have something gone God there must have something gone before it so who created God and the the before it so who created God and the the before it so who created God and the the Bible was originally in the plural that Bible was originally in the plural that Bible was originally in the plural that God was talking amongst there was a God was talking amongst there was a God was talking amongst there was a group of them talking and said let us

group of them talking and said let us group of them talking and said let us create man um in our image it was all create man um in our image it was all create man um in our image it was all plural but that that's that's just plural but that that's that's just plural but that that's that's just folklore of course but but it's folklore of course but but it's folklore of course but but it's interesting but I think there is a force interesting but I think there is a force interesting but I think there is a force there and there there and there there and there are there are candidates there are it's are there are candidates there are it's are there are candidates there are it's possible to philosophize about possible to philosophize about possible to philosophize about candidates but I think it's important candidates but I think it's important candidates but I think it's important just not to try and solve that one just not to try and solve that one just not to try and solve that one first of all you've got to accept is it first of all you've got to accept is it first of all you've got to accept is it random is are we just the sort of result random is are we just the sort of result random is are we just the sort of result of of of U complete happen stance of just lumps U complete happen stance of just lumps U complete happen stance of just lumps of atoms crashing into one another from of atoms crashing into one another from of atoms crashing into one another from this presumed Big Bang or is there a god this presumed Big Bang or is there a god this presumed Big Bang or is there a god of Judaism of Christianity of Islam of Judaism of Christianity of Islam of Judaism of Christianity of Islam Hinduism whatever or is there something Hinduism whatever or is there something Hinduism whatever or is there something different is is there just a pattern is different is is there just a pattern is different is is there just a pattern is there a plan well there a plan well there a plan well religion's in its own place and it's got religion's in its own place and it's got religion's in its own place and it's got people that are adherence have got their people that are adherence have got their people that are adherence have got their own beliefs for based in Revelation of own beliefs for based in Revelation of own beliefs for based in Revelation of people and Prophets gone in the past and people and Prophets gone in the past and people and Prophets gone in the past and that's fine and that's for them to that's fine and that's for them to that's fine and that's for them to believe in but if you're have a believe in but if you're have a believe in but if you're have a scientific bent you've actually got to scientific bent you've actually got to scientific bent you've actually got to say well what does the science tell me say well what does the science tell me say well what does the science tell me Well actually the science tells you that Well actually the science tells you that Well actually the science tells you that there is a pattern that the notion of there is a pattern that the notion of there is a pattern that the notion of Randomness is verse you're being silly Randomness is verse you're being silly Randomness is verse you're being silly basically of course you can be lazy and basically of course you can be lazy and basically of course you can be lazy and just sort of say well it sounds just sort of say well it sounds just sort of say well it sounds reasonable to say it's all it's all just

reasonable to say it's all it's all just reasonable to say it's all it's all just chaos and accident well actually no it chaos and accident well actually no it chaos and accident well actually no it doesn't fit the facts so if you're doesn't fit the facts so if you're doesn't fit the facts so if you're interested in facts um you've got a interested in facts um you've got a interested in facts um you've got a attention and if you find it difficult attention and if you find it difficult attention and if you find it difficult then to sort of identify who this I call then to sort of identify who this I call then to sort of identify who this I call this entity God but so just the one of a this entity God but so just the one of a this entity God but so just the one of a better word you you can't identify who better word you you can't identify who better word you you can't identify who God is well that's your God is well that's your God is well that's your problem doesn't stop the fact that problem doesn't stop the fact that problem doesn't stop the fact that something or somebody or whatever you something or somebody or whatever you something or somebody or whatever you want to call it has done it it's like want to call it has done it it's like want to call it has done it it's like you find a somebody who's being very you find a somebody who's being very you find a somebody who's being very clearly murdered just because you can't clearly murdered just because you can't clearly murdered just because you can't work out what the murderer is doesn't work out what the murderer is doesn't work out what the murderer is doesn't mean they weren't murdered yeah you've mean they weren't murdered yeah you've mean they weren't murdered yeah you've got to you got to take the facts as you got to you got to take the facts as you got to you got to take the facts as you find them that is true and it does seem find them that is true and it does seem find them that is true and it does seem like the Earth people's just like an like the Earth people's just like an like the Earth people's just like an apple tree apples but you do entertain a apple tree apples but you do entertain a apple tree apples but you do entertain a few other ideas in who built the moon as few other ideas in who built the moon as few other ideas in who built the moon as to who it could have been or what it to who it could have been or what it to who it could have been or what it could have been and my favorite IDE idea could have been and my favorite IDE idea could have been and my favorite IDE idea is human Time Travelers but as out there is human Time Travelers but as out there is human Time Travelers but as out there as it could be how could that be as it could be how could that be as it could be how could that be possible if the moon is needed to possible if the moon is needed to possible if the moon is needed to sustain life on the planet doesn't that sustain life on the planet doesn't that sustain life on the planet doesn't that kind of create a paradox if we're to kind of create a paradox if we're to kind of create a paradox if we're to assume Humanity started on the earth no assume Humanity started on the earth no assume Humanity started on the earth no there's no Paradox there at all only an there's no Paradox there at all only an there's no Paradox there at all only an apparent Paradox because most people apparent Paradox because most people apparent Paradox because most people aren't very good at dealing with aren't very good at dealing with aren't very good at dealing with apparent paradoxes that's me yeah that's apparent paradoxes that's me yeah that's apparent paradoxes that's me yeah that's most I mean like try and to um a self- most I mean like try and to um a self- most I mean like try and to um a self- help course in uh quantum mechanics help course in uh quantum mechanics help course in uh quantum mechanics you'll probably get confused because you'll probably get confused because you'll probably get confused because it's not um entirely simple or logical it's not um entirely simple or logical it's not um entirely simple or logical the only Theory uh and I put out three the only Theory uh and I put out three the only Theory uh and I put out three in who built the Moon that there in who built the Moon that there in who built the Moon that there potential candidates the only one that

potential candidates the only one that potential candidates the only one that is scientifically squeaky clean is the is scientifically squeaky clean is the is scientifically squeaky clean is the human time travel one because all human time travel one because all human time travel one because all serious scientists now upet that travel serious scientists now upet that travel serious scientists now upet that travel backwards in time uh is possible and backwards in time uh is possible and backwards in time uh is possible and will become possible not necessarily for will become possible not necessarily for will become possible not necessarily for for individuals for people to do it but for individuals for people to do it but for individuals for people to do it but for materials to do it m for sure there for materials to do it m for sure there for materials to do it m for sure there isn't I don't think there's anybody isn't I don't think there's anybody isn't I don't think there's anybody that's sort of really serious suggesting that's sort of really serious suggesting that's sort of really serious suggesting that that isn't the case so if at some that that isn't the case so if at some that that isn't the case so if at some point in the future we became capable of point in the future we became capable of point in the future we became capable of uh sending some sort of drones back that uh sending some sort of drones back that uh sending some sort of drones back that could create many black holes and I'm could create many black holes and I'm could create many black holes and I'm being poetic here I don't know I'm being poetic here I don't know I'm being poetic here I don't know I'm talking about really to to Hoover up talking about really to to Hoover up talking about really to to Hoover up chunks of the Earth's crust to create chunks of the Earth's crust to create chunks of the Earth's crust to create the moon to the right density and then the moon to the right density and then the moon to the right density and then place in the right position they could place in the right position they could place in the right position they could do that so it's it it's the only one do that so it's it it's the only one do that so it's it it's the only one that fits the facts because another one that fits the facts because another one that fits the facts because another one is that God of religion just did it is that God of religion just did it is that God of religion just did it miraculously but that doesn't actually miraculously but that doesn't actually miraculously but that doesn't actually help or that aliens from somewhere else help or that aliens from somewhere else help or that aliens from somewhere else came and did it but you're talking about came and did it but you're talking about came and did it but you're talking about very very early on in the uh development very very early on in the uh development very very early on in the uh development of the after the big bang and where of the after the big bang and where of the after the big bang and where would these people have come from or would these people have come from or would these people have come from or these creatures come from why would they these creatures come from why would they these creatures come from why would they have done it and why invent something have done it and why invent something have done it and why invent something that doesn't exist we know humans exists that doesn't exist we know humans exists that doesn't exist we know humans exists we know time travel is entirely accepted we know time travel is entirely accepted we know time travel is entirely accepted as a scientific possibility as a scientific possibility as a scientific possibility so why invent these little green men so why invent these little green men so why invent these little green men from the planet Zog um when there's no from the planet Zog um when there's no from the planet Zog um when there's no evidence at all for any life of any evidence at all for any life of any evidence at all for any life of any description even microbes out there so

description even microbes out there so description even microbes out there so it's a case of um just going for the for it's a case of um just going for the for it's a case of um just going for the for the most rational answer for me on that the most rational answer for me on that the most rational answer for me on that so that's where I was when I who built so that's where I was when I who built so that's where I was when I who built the moon each of my books have my own the moon each of my books have my own the moon each of my books have my own thinking matures and changes and and I thinking matures and changes and and I thinking matures and changes and and I you know I'm really love to hear from you know I'm really love to hear from you know I'm really love to hear from anyone that's got other ideas you know anyone that's got other ideas you know anyone that's got other ideas you know let but let's agree on the facts first let but let's agree on the facts first let but let's agree on the facts first and then we can all debate um the and then we can all debate um the and then we can all debate um the possibilities that's a fair point and uh possibilities that's a fair point and uh possibilities that's a fair point and uh I too was an atheist for a long time and I too was an atheist for a long time and I too was an atheist for a long time and I had psychedelic experiences that kind I had psychedelic experiences that kind I had psychedelic experiences that kind of uh shook me from that core belief but of uh shook me from that core belief but of uh shook me from that core belief but I guess in this context of of the Moon I guess in this context of of the Moon I guess in this context of of the Moon if someone built it wouldn't the idea of if someone built it wouldn't the idea of if someone built it wouldn't the idea of intelligent humanoid creatures be more intelligent humanoid creatures be more intelligent humanoid creatures be more likely than a supreme spiritual entity likely than a supreme spiritual entity likely than a supreme spiritual entity because at least we know that because at least we know that because at least we know that intelligent humanoids exist exist we intelligent humanoids exist exist we intelligent humanoids exist exist we don't really have the same evidence of don't really have the same evidence of don't really have the same evidence of highly intelligent spiritual entities highly intelligent spiritual entities highly intelligent spiritual entities existing well I think again you're existing well I think again you're existing well I think again you're trying to rationalize it in sort of in trying to rationalize it in sort of in trying to rationalize it in sort of in terms of the traditions of Western terms of the traditions of Western terms of the traditions of Western cultural thought which is entirely cultural thought which is entirely cultural thought which is entirely logical but I'm not talking about a logical but I'm not talking about a logical but I'm not talking about a spiritual entity a spirit spiritual in spiritual entity a spirit spiritual in spiritual entity a spirit spiritual in the sense of um a benign figure that the sense of um a benign figure that the sense of um a benign figure that looks after us and looks down and is is looks after us and looks down and is is looks after us and looks down and is is is stationed somewhere and he cares is stationed somewhere and he cares is stationed somewhere and he cares about us on a one for one basis it could about us on a one for one basis it could about us on a one for one basis it could just be the whole logic of the material just be the whole logic of the material just be the whole logic of the material that brought itself into existence to that brought itself into existence to that brought itself into existence to have a determination to to transcend the have a determination to to transcend the have a determination to to transcend the end of the universe we're told by end of the universe we're told by end of the universe we're told by scientists that you project everything

scientists that you project everything scientists that you project everything forward and we will end up with all forward and we will end up with all forward and we will end up with all matter evenly dispersed matter evenly dispersed matter evenly dispersed everywhere um as a series of everywhere um as a series of everywhere um as a series of atoms a tiny bit above absolute zero of atoms a tiny bit above absolute zero of atoms a tiny bit above absolute zero of porridge of nothingness now supposing if porridge of nothingness now supposing if porridge of nothingness now supposing if the universe had somehow created itself the universe had somehow created itself the universe had somehow created itself at this big bang point when there was at this big bang point when there was at this big bang point when there was nothing and then there was something nothing and then there was something nothing and then there was something there was time there was matter and there was time there was matter and there was time there was matter and there was this explosion and somehow there was this explosion and somehow there was this explosion and somehow this and being poetical here but this this and being poetical here but this this and being poetical here but this material decided that it didn't want to material decided that it didn't want to material decided that it didn't want to have this fate of being this equally have this fate of being this equally have this fate of being this equally dispersed um porridge just above dispersed um porridge just above dispersed um porridge just above absolute absolute absolute zero therefore it had to get an zero therefore it had to get an zero therefore it had to get an intelligent bit of itself now human intelligent bit of itself now human intelligent bit of itself now human beings are the Earth we are part of the beings are the Earth we are part of the beings are the Earth we are part of the earth we think of ourselves as being on earth we think of ourselves as being on earth we think of ourselves as being on the Earth but we're not we are the Earth the Earth but we're not we are the Earth the Earth but we're not we are the Earth right so we're like the new the neurons right so we're like the new the neurons right so we're like the new the neurons the intelligent the brain of the earth the intelligent the brain of the earth the intelligent the brain of the earth if you like us and other higher animals if you like us and other higher animals if you like us and other higher animals and all animals are one all life is one and all animals are one all life is one and all animals are one all life is one on the earth for my money that is and on the earth for my money that is and on the earth for my money that is and we're on this surface of the Earth like we're on this surface of the Earth like we're on this surface of the Earth like the cells on a brain the cells on a brain the cells on a brain and what if we're charged to become and what if we're charged to become and what if we're charged to become intelligent enough to really understand intelligent enough to really understand intelligent enough to really understand how to steer the course and direction of how to steer the course and direction of how to steer the course and direction of the whole universe is that our the whole universe is that our the whole universe is that our mission um if it is we've got to stop mission um if it is we've got to stop mission um if it is we've got to stop doing this silly crazy things we do to doing this silly crazy things we do to doing this silly crazy things we do to nearly wipe ourselves out we've got a a

nearly wipe ourselves out we've got a a nearly wipe ourselves out we've got a a bigger responsibility if that's the case bigger responsibility if that's the case bigger responsibility if that's the case and I also believe from my research is and I also believe from my research is and I also believe from my research is that there is there there is information that there is there there is information that there is there there is information and text and Communications from this and text and Communications from this and text and Communications from this Force embedded in us that we need to Force embedded in us that we need to Force embedded in us that we need to release and can release release and can release release and can release to take instruction of what we need to to take instruction of what we need to to take instruction of what we need to do and we're just part of this greater do and we're just part of this greater do and we're just part of this greater force now that's very philosophical and force now that's very philosophical and force now that's very philosophical and people you know can disagree with that people you know can disagree with that people you know can disagree with that obviously because it's um it's yet to be obviously because it's um it's yet to be obviously because it's um it's yet to be uh anything approaching proof but the uh anything approaching proof but the uh anything approaching proof but the suggestions are all suggestions are all suggestions are all there so it there so it there so it transcends Rel religious thought per say transcends Rel religious thought per say transcends Rel religious thought per say but it's not it doesn't display but it's not it doesn't display but it's not it doesn't display religious thought um I I I think they religious thought um I I I think they religious thought um I I I think they can be bad fellows that's fair yeah I I can be bad fellows that's fair yeah I I can be bad fellows that's fair yeah I I could see how that could be and DNA does could see how that could be and DNA does could see how that could be and DNA does point to some type of code too that is point to some type of code too that is point to some type of code too that is an interesting thread but another thing an interesting thread but another thing an interesting thread but another thing you wrote in the who built the Moon book you wrote in the who built the Moon book you wrote in the who built the Moon book that caught my attention was this little that caught my attention was this little that caught my attention was this little paragraph here he said perhaps the paragraph here he said perhaps the paragraph here he said perhaps the values programmed into the Earth by the values programmed into the Earth by the values programmed into the Earth by the unidentified creative agency were so unidentified creative agency were so unidentified creative agency were so fundamental that any intelligent life fundamental that any intelligent life fundamental that any intelligent life form evolving on the Earth would respond form evolving on the Earth would respond form evolving on the Earth would respond to them the relatively recent discovery to them the relatively recent discovery to them the relatively recent discovery that pendulums go Haywire during a total that pendulums go Haywire during a total that pendulums go Haywire during a total eclipse could point to brief eclipse could point to brief eclipse could point to brief interruptions of of this Earthly Harmony interruptions of of this Earthly Harmony interruptions of of this Earthly Harmony and I didn't know this about pendulums and I didn't know this about pendulums and I didn't know this about pendulums but I have had guests that talk about but I have had guests that talk about but I have had guests that talk about the importance of the eclipses and even the importance of the eclipses and even the importance of the eclipses and even equate them to some sort of system reset equate them to some sort of system reset equate them to some sort of system reset or hack and it could be an interesting or hack and it could be an interesting or hack and it could be an interesting clue what are your thoughts on this I I

clue what are your thoughts on this I I clue what are your thoughts on this I I I like to over the years dig out the I like to over the years dig out the I like to over the years dig out the facts but to get to a fact can take tens facts but to get to a fact can take tens facts but to get to a fact can take tens of years it can you know and and you may of years it can you know and and you may of years it can you know and and you may never get there anyway right on the never get there anyway right on the never get there anyway right on the journey I've spotted odd things weird journey I've spotted odd things weird journey I've spotted odd things weird things or um things don't quite fit and things or um things don't quite fit and things or um things don't quite fit and you can't make sense of them so you you you can't make sense of them so you you you can't make sense of them so you you park them up in the corner over here in park them up in the corner over here in park them up in the corner over here in the top left hand corner of your brain the top left hand corner of your brain the top left hand corner of your brain and you carry on and then 15 years later and you carry on and then 15 years later and you carry on and then 15 years later or whatever something pops up you think or whatever something pops up you think or whatever something pops up you think ah I think I know that piece fits in the ah I think I know that piece fits in the ah I think I know that piece fits in the jigaw puzzle now and pendulums are like jigaw puzzle now and pendulums are like jigaw puzzle now and pendulums are like that I had to look into pendulums that that I had to look into pendulums that that I had to look into pendulums that Thomas Jefferson used pendulums it's the Thomas Jefferson used pendulums it's the Thomas Jefferson used pendulums it's the way of way of way of measuring uh it's a basis of all measuring uh it's a basis of all measuring uh it's a basis of all measurements to swing a pendulum because measurements to swing a pendulum because measurements to swing a pendulum because it's so uh mathematically perfect and it's so uh mathematically perfect and it's so uh mathematically perfect and precise but as you say as I reporting precise but as you say as I reporting precise but as you say as I reporting who built the moon they go Haywire or who built the moon they go Haywire or who built the moon they go Haywire or they can go Haywire during total they can go Haywire during total they can go Haywire during total eclipses and no one fully understands eclipses and no one fully understands eclipses and no one fully understands that and there's no that and there's no that and there's no particular uh understanding or reason as particular uh understanding or reason as particular uh understanding or reason as to why that should be and it it sort of to why that should be and it it sort of to why that should be and it it sort of point this is something in the corner of point this is something in the corner of point this is something in the corner of mind I'm waiting to find out what it mind I'm waiting to find out what it mind I'm waiting to find out what it might mean it sort of points to there is might mean it sort of points to there is might mean it sort of points to there is some change some change some change in the way gravity is experienced uh and in the way gravity is experienced uh and in the way gravity is experienced uh and of course we don't really understand of course we don't really understand of course we don't really understand gravity there's been some good progress gravity there's been some good progress gravity there's been some good progress made recently into into understanding made recently into into understanding made recently into into understanding the nature of gravity but this this long

the nature of gravity but this this long the nature of gravity but this this long act long distance acting very weak Force act long distance acting very weak Force act long distance acting very weak Force it's to do with the mass of objects but it's to do with the mass of objects but it's to do with the mass of objects but it changes under this once the the moon it changes under this once the the moon it changes under this once the the moon passes in front of the Sun for example passes in front of the Sun for example passes in front of the Sun for example and shields the Earth in its normal and shields the Earth in its normal and shields the Earth in its normal daylight condition from the Rays of the daylight condition from the Rays of the daylight condition from the Rays of the Sun or the gravity of the Sun or the gravity of the Sun or the gravity of the sun it they can go woo but nothing else sun it they can go woo but nothing else sun it they can go woo but nothing else can make them do that earthquakes can can make them do that earthquakes can can make them do that earthquakes can make them shutter of course but um make them shutter of course but um make them shutter of course but um there's something going on and it's well there's something going on and it's well there's something going on and it's well worthy of Fuller investigation but I I worthy of Fuller investigation but I I worthy of Fuller investigation but I I I'm just um like Thomas Jefferson I'm a I'm just um like Thomas Jefferson I'm a I'm just um like Thomas Jefferson I'm a a curious amateur that would take you a curious amateur that would take you a curious amateur that would take you know some serious physicist know some serious physicist know some serious physicist astrophysicist to uh astrophysicist to uh astrophysicist to uh investigate right but there are some investigate right but there are some investigate right but there are some seriously interesting threads there seriously interesting threads there seriously interesting threads there definitely over my head for sure definitely over my head for sure definitely over my head for sure but yeah another interesting aspect of but yeah another interesting aspect of but yeah another interesting aspect of your work is that this measurement your work is that this measurement your work is that this measurement system isn't just reserved for ancient system isn't just reserved for ancient system isn't just reserved for ancient things it's also embedded in Washington things it's also embedded in Washington things it's also embedded in Washington DC you mentioned it a little bit ago but DC you mentioned it a little bit ago but DC you mentioned it a little bit ago but we know Freemasons played a huge part in we know Freemasons played a huge part in we know Freemasons played a huge part in this setup what can you tell us about this setup what can you tell us about this setup what can you tell us about its incorporation into Washington DC the its incorporation into Washington DC the its incorporation into Washington DC the interesting thing is that interesting thing is that interesting thing is that um the ancient structures such as um the ancient structures such as um the ancient structures such as describing these henges uh in England describing these henges uh in England describing these henges uh in England Stone Henge included they exhibit the Stone Henge included they exhibit the Stone Henge included they exhibit the use of this so-called megalithic yard use of this so-called megalithic yard use of this so-called megalithic yard identified by Alexander Tom 82.9 66 of a identified by Alexander Tom 82.9 66 of a identified by Alexander Tom 82.9 66 of a meter sorry centimet 82 by

meter sorry centimet 82 by meter sorry centimet 82 by 966 CM incredibly accurate and they were 966 CM incredibly accurate and they were 966 CM incredibly accurate and they were used in units of used in units of used in units of 366 now I'd been looking at uh heni all 366 now I'd been looking at uh heni all 366 now I'd been looking at uh heni all over Western Europe for patterns of uh over Western Europe for patterns of uh over Western Europe for patterns of uh using this this system and using this this system and using this this system and 732 around the the circumference which 732 around the the circumference which 732 around the the circumference which is double the number of magnetic yards is double the number of magnetic yards is double the number of magnetic yards for the Horizon getting complicated for the Horizon getting complicated for the Horizon getting complicated there but I happened to look at there but I happened to look at there but I happened to look at um Washington DC and I was looking the um Washington DC and I was looking the um Washington DC and I was looking the the city from Skype from above I was the city from Skype from above I was the city from Skype from above I was looking for uh something because I was looking for uh something because I was looking for uh something because I was about to go to Washington DC and I was about to go to Washington DC and I was about to go to Washington DC and I was looking for something else and I spotted looking for something else and I spotted looking for something else and I spotted this sort of circle which um includes this sort of circle which um includes this sort of circle which um includes the vice president the vice president the vice president residence and um I thought whoa that residence and um I thought whoa that residence and um I thought whoa that that looks remarkably like a henge and that looks remarkably like a henge and that looks remarkably like a henge and it it was a henge but it was built by it it was a henge but it was built by it it was a henge but it was built by the US Navy wow and it was built by the the US Navy wow and it was built by the the US Navy wow and it was built by the US Navy um back in the 19th century to US Navy um back in the 19th century to US Navy um back in the 19th century to create Naval create Naval create Naval charts and they had built it to uh make charts and they had built it to uh make charts and they had built it to uh make iic standards and units and I thought iic standards and units and I thought iic standards and units and I thought that is seriously weird yeah then they that is seriously weird yeah then they that is seriously weird yeah then they came further down into the the city came further down into the the city came further down into the the city itself and started looking at the way itself and started looking at the way itself and started looking at the way out and the design and the whole damn

out and the design and the whole damn out and the design and the whole damn thing is built using megalithic yards thing is built using megalithic yards thing is built using megalithic yards and 366 and 366 and 366 units between all of thison circle units between all of thison circle units between all of thison circle and all all Every Little Bit of the the and all all Every Little Bit of the the and all all Every Little Bit of the the city and then from the the Park South of city and then from the the Park South of city and then from the the Park South of the White House there is a an ellipse in the White House there is a an ellipse in the White House there is a an ellipse in the center of this the center of this the center of this ellipse which is Mega important is an ellipse which is Mega important is an ellipse which is Mega important is an exact number of megalithic uh seconds of exact number of megalithic uh seconds of exact number of megalithic uh seconds of Ark to the capital building and then to Ark to the capital building and then to Ark to the capital building and then to the center of the Pentagon and back the center of the Pentagon and back the center of the Pentagon and back again is exactly 33 degrees again is exactly 33 degrees again is exactly 33 degrees now that's pretty weird in itself and now that's pretty weird in itself and now that's pretty weird in itself and I'm talking to an accuracy of inches and I'm talking to an accuracy of inches and I'm talking to an accuracy of inches and the door to the Pentagon faces uh the door to the Pentagon faces uh the door to the Pentagon faces uh directly to the capital building so he directly to the capital building so he directly to the capital building so he start to look into start to look into start to look into um the Pentagon because that's obviously um the Pentagon because that's obviously um the Pentagon because that's obviously the most recent the uh the part by the the most recent the uh the part by the the most recent the uh the part by the White House has had a very strange White House has had a very strange White House has had a very strange history um but you think well Pentagon history um but you think well Pentagon history um but you think well Pentagon cast was only Built at the beginning of cast was only Built at the beginning of cast was only Built at the beginning of the second World War the second World War the second World War very rapidly indeed so you look at very rapidly indeed so you look at very rapidly indeed so you look at FDR Roosevelt building that now he was a FDR Roosevelt building that now he was a FDR Roosevelt building that now he was a 33rd degree 33rd degree 33rd degree Freemason uh 32nd of the time he became Freemason uh 32nd of the time he became Freemason uh 32nd of the time he became 33rd degree and um he designed the 33rd degree and um he designed the 33rd degree and um he designed the Pentagon and its location it was going

Pentagon and its location it was going Pentagon and its location it was going to be built at a place called to be built at a place called to be built at a place called Roslin just a little bit north of Roslin just a little bit north of Roslin just a little bit north of Pratt's bottom where it's now built the Pratt's bottom where it's now built the Pratt's bottom where it's now built the place it was called Pratt's bottom um place it was called Pratt's bottom um place it was called Pratt's bottom um and Roslin they started building in in and Roslin they started building in in and Roslin they started building in in Roslin because they KN they they knew Roslin because they KN they they knew Roslin because they KN they they knew the war was the war was the war was coming um and they knew they needed a coming um and they knew they needed a coming um and they knew they needed a headquarters for the uh military and headquarters for the uh military and headquarters for the uh military and intelligence and the new Hub and intelligence and the new Hub and intelligence and the new Hub and Franklin D roal said um stop I don't Franklin D roal said um stop I don't Franklin D roal said um stop I don't want it there I want it down here and he want it there I want it down here and he want it there I want it down here and he pointed to a place that was all B and it pointed to a place that was all B and it pointed to a place that was all B and it was completely derel and unsuitable and was completely derel and unsuitable and was completely derel and unsuitable and they said Mr President that's ridiculous they said Mr President that's ridiculous they said Mr President that's ridiculous and he said look who's boss around here and he said look who's boss around here and he said look who's boss around here I want it there exactly building like I want it there exactly building like I want it there exactly building like this and I want it building to this this and I want it building to this this and I want it building to this design and the design that he insisted design and the design that he insisted design and the design that he insisted upon using is a design specified in the upon using is a design specified in the upon using is a design specified in the 32nd degree of 32nd degree of 32nd degree of Freemasonry H which represents the five Freemasonry H which represents the five Freemasonry H which represents the five uh factors of the the forces of defense uh factors of the the forces of defense uh factors of the the forces of defense of the United States of America and it of the United States of America and it of the United States of America and it it faced the capital building and it faced the capital building and it faced the capital building and because it was built there it fits into because it was built there it fits into because it was built there it fits into this this this ancient old design for the city that ancient old design for the city that ancient old design for the city that stems right back and even the second war stems right back and even the second war stems right back and even the second war memorial that was built in this Century memorial that was built in this Century memorial that was built in this Century conforms precisely to these ancient conforms precisely to these ancient conforms precisely to these ancient measurements so whoever's doing it still measurements so whoever's doing it still measurements so whoever's doing it still planning it and still well aware of the planning it and still well aware of the planning it and still well aware of the units that they need to use and the units that they need to use and the units that they need to use and the pattering that they need to use so as a

pattering that they need to use so as a pattering that they need to use so as a Freemason I being on television and Freemason I being on television and Freemason I being on television and radio in the US and giving talks so many radio in the US and giving talks so many radio in the US and giving talks so many times to people who said is there a times to people who said is there a times to people who said is there a masonic conspiracy and I said that' be masonic conspiracy and I said that' be masonic conspiracy and I said that' be ridiculous course there isn't it's ridiculous course there isn't it's ridiculous course there isn't it's pretty harmless but then this happens so pretty harmless but then this happens so pretty harmless but then this happens so I spoke to a friend of mine who was a I spoke to a friend of mine who was a I spoke to a friend of mine who was a 33rd degree free medicine in the US and 33rd degree free medicine in the US and 33rd degree free medicine in the US and said what can you tell me about what said what can you tell me about what said what can you tell me about what goes on because I can find anything I goes on because I can find anything I goes on because I can find anything I want about any of the degrees but the want about any of the degrees but the want about any of the degrees but the 33rd degree gets a bit difficult I'm a 33rd degree gets a bit difficult I'm a 33rd degree gets a bit difficult I'm a member of the 33rd degree but but not of member of the 33rd degree but but not of member of the 33rd degree but but not of the scholle right of of a of a different the scholle right of of a of a different the scholle right of of a of a different right so he explained to me that um they right so he explained to me that um they right so he explained to me that um they actually took their instructions from actually took their instructions from actually took their instructions from somebody that came from outside no well somebody that came from outside no well somebody that came from outside no well from from the Supreme Council who do from from the Supreme Council who do from from the Supreme Council who do they take the instructions from they they take the instructions from they they take the instructions from they take it from somebody outside where does take it from somebody outside where does take it from somebody outside where does he come from well nobody knows and he he come from well nobody knows and he he come from well nobody knows and he tells you what to do and think and tells you what to do and think and tells you what to do and think and there's no voting there's no argument there's no voting there's no argument there's no voting there's no argument you just do it yes wow who is he we you just do it yes wow who is he we you just do it yes wow who is he we don't know don't know don't know what wow so at the top of Freemasonry what wow so at the top of Freemasonry what wow so at the top of Freemasonry they're basically just listening to some they're basically just listening to some they're basically just listening to some Puppet Master some Supreme Council that Puppet Master some Supreme Council that Puppet Master some Supreme Council that they don't even ask questions about they don't even ask questions about they don't even ask questions about where it comes from I'm not going to get where it comes from I'm not going to get where it comes from I'm not going to get popular for saying that but because I've popular for saying that but because I've popular for saying that but because I've spent so many years defending spent so many years defending spent so many years defending Freemasonry and it isn't Freemasonry Freemasonry and it isn't Freemasonry Freemasonry and it isn't Freemasonry because strictly speaking there are only because strictly speaking there are only because strictly speaking there are only sort of four official degrees and the

sort of four official degrees and the sort of four official degrees and the Scottish right isn't officially Scottish right isn't officially Scottish right isn't officially freemasony but I spent a lot of years freemasony but I spent a lot of years freemasony but I spent a lot of years tracing back original degrees of the tracing back original degrees of the tracing back original degrees of the Scottish variety of Freemasonry and Scottish variety of Freemasonry and Scottish variety of Freemasonry and they're actually very different in large they're actually very different in large they're actually very different in large part to the ones that are used today part to the ones that are used today part to the ones that are used today that been changed um out of out of sight that been changed um out of out of sight that been changed um out of out of sight the original ones are far more the original ones are far more the original ones are far more interesting but it does appear that interesting but it does appear that interesting but it does appear that there there is there there is there there is um there is there is a conspiracy for um there is there is a conspiracy for um there is there is a conspiracy for one of a better word and despite being one of a better word and despite being one of a better word and despite being called it's comp conspiratorial I'm not called it's comp conspiratorial I'm not called it's comp conspiratorial I'm not but I don't know what's going on but it but I don't know what's going on but it but I don't know what's going on but it appears to be a beneficial conspiracy of appears to be a beneficial conspiracy of appears to be a beneficial conspiracy of trying to draw things together for the trying to draw things together for the trying to draw things together for the benefit of people generally in the way benefit of people generally in the way benefit of people generally in the way that they see their interpretation of that they see their interpretation of that they see their interpretation of what is what is what is right so I don't I don't think there's right so I don't I don't think there's right so I don't I don't think there's anything my reading is there's nothing anything my reading is there's nothing anything my reading is there's nothing negative about it I mean Washington's a negative about it I mean Washington's a negative about it I mean Washington's a beautiful city and they built that beautiful city and they built that beautiful city and they built that that's that's great it is but it's that's that's great it is but it's that's that's great it is but it's caused a lot of damage in the world too caused a lot of damage in the world too caused a lot of damage in the world too um well that's the political um the um well that's the political um the um well that's the political um the politics that come out of Washington politics that come out of Washington politics that come out of Washington that's obviously fully debatable now that's obviously fully debatable now that's obviously fully debatable now whether these people also have an whether these people also have an whether these people also have an overview I they certainly certainly had overview I they certainly certainly had overview I they certainly certainly had control it would appear over control it would appear over control it would appear over Rosevelt and you wonder what else they Rosevelt and you wonder what else they Rosevelt and you wonder what else they they have influence over right but I I they have influence over right but I I they have influence over right but I I really don't I really don't know the really don't I really don't know the really don't I really don't know the answer again I I'm just bringing up the answer again I I'm just bringing up the answer again I I'm just bringing up the facts and you know let others join in facts and you know let others join in facts and you know let others join in the discussion about what it actually

the discussion about what it actually the discussion about what it actually means fair I get that awesome well I means fair I get that awesome well I means fair I get that awesome well I can't than enough man I really do can't than enough man I really do can't than enough man I really do appreciate it a great show hinges on a appreciate it a great show hinges on a appreciate it a great show hinges on a great guest so I couldn't do it without great guest so I couldn't do it without great guest so I couldn't do it without you but uh would you like to remind the you but uh would you like to remind the you but uh would you like to remind the people where they can get your books and people where they can get your books and people where they can get your books and anything else you have going on I don't anything else you have going on I don't anything else you have going on I don't have a website because I don't have time have a website because I don't have time have a website because I don't have time with my proper job my proper company but with my proper job my proper company but with my proper job my proper company but uh obviously or bookshops Amazon or uh obviously or bookshops Amazon or uh obviously or bookshops Amazon or whatever in Kindle or print version whatever in Kindle or print version whatever in Kindle or print version God's blueprint being the being the God's blueprint being the being the God's blueprint being the being the recent one civilization one being the recent one civilization one being the recent one civilization one being the the book that kicked this this whole the book that kicked this this whole the book that kicked this this whole measurement thing up off and it isn't measurement thing up off and it isn't measurement thing up off and it isn't too intimidated in terms of numbers who too intimidated in terms of numbers who too intimidated in terms of numbers who built them own and various other ones built them own and various other ones built them own and various other ones but God's blueprint I think um covers my but God's blueprint I think um covers my but God's blueprint I think um covers my change from being a an atheist to um change from being a an atheist to um change from being a an atheist to um believing in something quite believing in something quite believing in something quite huge so Amazon I guess or or any huge so Amazon I guess or or any huge so Amazon I guess or or any Bookshop right on Amazing well Chris Bookshop right on Amazing well Chris Bookshop right on Amazing well Chris it's been an honor and a pleasure mad it's been an honor and a pleasure mad it's been an honor and a pleasure mad respect take care of yourself out there respect take care of yourself out there respect take care of yourself out there thanks Greg good talk all right people thanks Greg good talk all right people thanks Greg good talk all right people there we go now that is a THC I feel there we go now that is a THC I feel there we go now that is a THC I feel like we can be proud of right I think like we can be proud of right I think like we can be proud of right I think Chris has done a lot of research that is Chris has done a lot of research that is Chris has done a lot of research that is well worth hearing out connections well worth hearing out connections well worth hearing out connections between the makers of the pyramids to between the makers of the pyramids to between the makers of the pyramids to the makers of Stonehenge through the use the makers of Stonehenge through the use the makers of Stonehenge through the use of these measurements is quite a claim of these measurements is quite a claim of these measurements is quite a claim following them through Freemasonry is an following them through Freemasonry is an following them through Freemasonry is an intriguing road too I like a guest who intriguing road too I like a guest who intriguing road too I like a guest who lets Me Down Easy when I ask the lets Me Down Easy when I ask the lets Me Down Easy when I ask the off-the-wall questions but it's a off-the-wall questions but it's a off-the-wall questions but it's a conversation I consider educational even

conversation I consider educational even conversation I consider educational even if you don't agree with everything you if you don't agree with everything you if you don't agree with everything you hear like I definitely don't Think We're hear like I definitely don't Think We're hear like I definitely don't Think We're Alone in the universe and the absence of Alone in the universe and the absence of Alone in the universe and the absence of proof doesn't really mean we should proof doesn't really mean we should proof doesn't really mean we should conclude that there's nothing there I conclude that there's nothing there I conclude that there's nothing there I think we should just say that until we think we should just say that until we think we should just say that until we can check every corner of the universe can check every corner of the universe can check every corner of the universe maybe we should just put a pin in it but maybe we should just put a pin in it but maybe we should just put a pin in it but that's just me either way I'd say this that's just me either way I'd say this that's just me either way I'd say this one's got just the right balance of one's got just the right balance of one's got just the right balance of substance and speculation the THC sweet substance and speculation the THC sweet substance and speculation the THC sweet spot if there ever was one and I hope spot if there ever was one and I hope spot if there ever was one and I hope you guys concur with that we did have a you guys concur with that we did have a you guys concur with that we did have a couple early sound issues I hope couple early sound issues I hope couple early sound issues I hope everyone made it past that I don't know everyone made it past that I don't know everyone made it past that I don't know how I didn't catch it but I was so into how I didn't catch it but I was so into how I didn't catch it but I was so into the material the material the material that all of a sudden I heard the that all of a sudden I heard the that all of a sudden I heard the crackling and my first thought was was crackling and my first thought was was crackling and my first thought was was this here the whole time and going back this here the whole time and going back this here the whole time and going back yeah it kind of was so sorry uh you know yeah it kind of was so sorry uh you know yeah it kind of was so sorry uh you know I go crazy about stuff like that or at I go crazy about stuff like that or at I go crazy about stuff like that or at least you should it did work out though least you should it did work out though least you should it did work out though minus a few AOL Messenger Chimes on the minus a few AOL Messenger Chimes on the minus a few AOL Messenger Chimes on the guests end but what else is new here we guests end but what else is new here we guests end but what else is new here we have the fourth show of the month next have the fourth show of the month next have the fourth show of the month next episode we'll have a money bomb winner episode we'll have a money bomb winner episode we'll have a money bomb winner keep an eye on your emails people and keep an eye on your emails people and keep an eye on your emails people and actually I really got to ask you for a actually I really got to ask you for a actually I really got to ask you for a favor God I feel you cringing already favor God I feel you cringing already favor God I feel you cringing already another podcast host with a favor yeah I another podcast host with a favor yeah I another podcast host with a favor yeah I know I'm not the first but I just like know I'm not the first but I just like know I'm not the first but I just like an iTunes or Stitcher review from you if an iTunes or Stitcher review from you if an iTunes or Stitcher review from you if you can I barely ever ask because you can I barely ever ask because you can I barely ever ask because honestly you got to be operating on a honestly you got to be operating on a honestly you got to be operating on a higher level than begging the audience higher level than begging the audience higher level than begging the audience for iTunes reviews every show but for iTunes reviews every show but for iTunes reviews every show but because I almost never ask I see shows because I almost never ask I see shows because I almost never ask I see shows that I know don't have the same that I know don't have the same that I know don't have the same following but they've got twice as many following but they've got twice as many following but they've got twice as many reviews and those stupid things do reviews and those stupid things do reviews and those stupid things do matter the system will put a well matter the system will put a well matter the system will put a well reviewed show in front of more people so

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extended show we got deeper into DC is extended show we got deeper into DC is the geomancy of Washington DC the reason the geomancy of Washington DC the reason the geomancy of Washington DC the reason why it's been so successful and dominant why it's been so successful and dominant why it's been so successful and dominant on the world stage since I don't know we on the world stage since I don't know we on the world stage since I don't know we also revisit the importance of this also revisit the importance of this also revisit the importance of this object recovered under the Temple of object recovered under the Temple of object recovered under the Temple of Jerusalem that was talked about in the Jerusalem that was talked about in the Jerusalem that was talked about in the first hour and my favorite part tracing first hour and my favorite part tracing first hour and my favorite part tracing back the elite families and tracking back the elite families and tracking back the elite families and tracking them through the power centers of the them through the power centers of the them through the power centers of the past as we get into the elite I had to past as we get into the elite I had to past as we get into the elite I had to ask if we see these measurements in the ask if we see these measurements in the ask if we see these measurements in the city of London or the Vatican had to ask city of London or the Vatican had to ask city of London or the Vatican had to ask Chris's thoughts on other conspiratorial Chris's thoughts on other conspiratorial Chris's thoughts on other conspiratorial scapegoats the waning influence of scapegoats the waning influence of scapegoats the waning influence of America and where The Hidden Hand might America and where The Hidden Hand might America and where The Hidden Hand might be shifting to all good stuff I mean if be shifting to all good stuff I mean if be shifting to all good stuff I mean if you remember Chris said he's been told you remember Chris said he's been told you remember Chris said he's been told firsthand that 33rd degree Scottish firsthand that 33rd degree Scottish firsthand that 33rd degree Scottish right Freemasons have their agenda set right Freemasons have their agenda set right Freemasons have their agenda set by some Puppet Master in the shadows I by some Puppet Master in the shadows I by some Puppet Master in the shadows I mean that was really interesting right mean that was really interesting right mean that was really interesting right frer X you might remember a while ago he frer X you might remember a while ago he frer X you might remember a while ago he wrote a book about this Trojan Horse of wrote a book about this Trojan Horse of wrote a book about this Trojan Horse of Freemasonry he considered to be the Freemasonry he considered to be the Freemasonry he considered to be the Scottish right if you go back and listen Scottish right if you go back and listen Scottish right if you go back and listen to that show I think it ties in here to that show I think it ties in here to that show I think it ties in here very nicely we also talked about very nicely we also talked about very nicely we also talked about Atlantis or pre-cataclysm civilization Atlantis or pre-cataclysm civilization Atlantis or pre-cataclysm civilization and other fun stuff too I highly and other fun stuff too I highly and other fun stuff too I highly recommend it as for other news the Q&A recommend it as for other news the Q&A recommend it as for other news the Q&A thread in the plus forums is filling up thread in the plus forums is filling up thread in the plus forums is filling up again I love how active they've been again I love how active they've been again I love how active they've been I've been trying to get on there more I I've been trying to get on there more I I've been trying to get on there more I definitely read everything I'm still definitely read everything I'm still definitely read everything I'm still trying to get email notifications set trying to get email notifications set trying to get email notifications set for Forum replies that becomes the one for Forum replies that becomes the one for Forum replies that becomes the one thing that's hard for me is refining a thing that's hard for me is refining a thing that's hard for me is refining a reply that someone might have given me reply that someone might have given me reply that someone might have given me but the private messaging system is but the private messaging system is but the private messaging system is working great and if you have any issues

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