IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 189 - End of 2023 Special! (A Weird Year)

[Music] [Music] la nice nice metal New Year's to everyone nice nice metal New Year's to everyone final final days final final days final final days of um what do you call it whatever this of um what do you call it whatever this of um what do you call it whatever this year is 2023 whatever hell we this is year is 2023 whatever hell we this is year is 2023 whatever hell we this is yeah premature or do you do it after or yeah premature or do you do it after or yeah premature or do you do it after or before you do it before right or after before you do it before right or after before you do it before right or after what the music yeah that particular song what the music yeah that particular song what the music yeah that particular song I do it when the ball hits you know and I do it when the ball hits you know and I do it when the ball hits you know and then they the ball so we're kind of then they the ball so we're kind of then they the ball so we're kind of doing our own ball drop right now there doing our own ball drop right now there doing our own ball drop right now there you go that was it you go that was it you go that was it yeah where's the yeah where's the yeah where's the ball there it is there it is oh there ball there it is there it is oh there ball there it is there it is oh there you go oh my yeah you know you guys are you go oh my yeah you know you guys are you go oh my yeah you know you guys are amazing you have everything within reach amazing you have everything within reach amazing you have everything within reach yeah and you can enjoy this without yeah and you can enjoy this without yeah and you can enjoy this without having to be in Time Square with you having to be in Time Square with you having to be in Time Square with you know a million other people crowded know a million other people crowded know a million other people crowded together right have you ever done together right have you ever done together right have you ever done that no I haven't done it I haven't that no I haven't done it I haven't that no I haven't done it I haven't really been too tempted to I highly really been too tempted to I highly really been too tempted to I highly recommend not doing it did you try it

recommend not doing it did you try it recommend not doing it did you try it oh it's not even try we did oh it's not even try we did oh it's not even try we did it what time a day did you have to get it what time a day did you have to get it what time a day did you have to get there uh way too early and um they there uh way too early and um they there uh way too early and um they highly highly highly recommend that you use a restroom before recommend that you use a restroom before recommend that you use a restroom before start Ling and then you know it becomes start Ling and then you know it becomes start Ling and then you know it becomes like a a odd situation because you want like a a odd situation because you want like a a odd situation because you want to get there early so you can be in the to get there early so you can be in the to get there early so you can be in the front but then you have to a really big front but then you have to a really big front but then you have to a really big bladder or at least a super empty one bladder or at least a super empty one bladder or at least a super empty one one um it I mean might even need to go one um it I mean might even need to go one um it I mean might even need to go dehydrated but then there's the other dehydrated but then there's the other dehydrated but then there's the other dilemma you want to drink dilemma you want to drink dilemma you want to drink right hydrated don't pee your pants right hydrated don't pee your pants right hydrated don't pee your pants while you're waiting to be you know the while you're waiting to be you know the while you're waiting to be you know the front row with um Britney Spears at the front row with um Britney Spears at the front row with um Britney Spears at the time I guess she was wow wow a lot of time I guess she was wow wow a lot of time I guess she was wow wow a lot of extra information here extra information here extra information here about no I have I have square about why about no I have I have square about why about no I have I have square about why you should not do it no matter how it you should not do it no matter how it you should not do it no matter how it you know what it's not people people you know what it's not people people you know what it's not people people aren't sitting there cheering what aren't sitting there cheering what aren't sitting there cheering what they're doing is they're screaming they're doing is they're screaming they're doing is they're screaming because they're freezing is really what because they're freezing is really what because they're freezing is really what it is yeah hey Steve yeah Steve did you ever go to Time Steve yeah Steve did you ever go to Time Square for the ball drop for New Year's Square for the ball drop for New Year's Square for the ball drop for New Year's Eve one time okay okay that's about the Eve one time okay okay that's about the Eve one time okay okay that's about the right answer I almost peed in my pants right answer I almost peed in my pants right answer I almost peed in my pants cuz I had to pee so badly and there was

cuz I had to pee so badly and there was cuz I had to pee so badly and there was no place to pee wow and that's when I no place to pee wow and that's when I no place to pee wow and that's when I said you know what this ain't worth it said you know what this ain't worth it said you know what this ain't worth it yeah there you go see there there wasn't yeah there you go see there there wasn't yeah there you go see there there wasn't a diaper in the bag yeah there's only a diaper in the bag yeah there's only a diaper in the bag yeah there's only one better answer than once which is one better answer than once which is one better answer than once which is never zero well you know when you when never zero well you know when you when never zero well you know when you when you live up in that area and you grew up you live up in that area and you grew up you live up in that area and you grew up in that area you know you have it's like in that area you know you have it's like in that area you know you have it's like almost like a write a passage where you almost like a write a passage where you almost like a write a passage where you like kind have to go at least once and I like kind have to go at least once and I like kind have to go at least once and I did and I'm telling you what I I I did and I'm telling you what I I I did and I'm telling you what I I I I I and and Not only was that a first I I and and Not only was that a first I I and and Not only was that a first but I had to go to the bathroom and the but I had to go to the bathroom and the but I had to go to the bathroom and the port authority on the way back to get port authority on the way back to get port authority on the way back to get the bus and that was even worse oh man the bus and that was even worse oh man the bus and that was even worse oh man oh so you know there were a lot of first oh so you know there were a lot of first oh so you know there were a lot of first and a lot of and a lot of and a lot of lasts yeah um so all of you out there so lasts yeah um so all of you out there so lasts yeah um so all of you out there so by the way by the way by the way um Happy end of 2023 to all of our iot um Happy end of 2023 to all of our iot um Happy end of 2023 to all of our iot coffee talk coffee talk coffee talk listeners um this is some Sage of ice listeners um this is some Sage of ice listeners um this is some Sage of ice that's being administered here at the that's being administered here at the that's being administered here at the moment yes you are planning on going to moment yes you are planning on going to moment yes you are planning on going to the Time Square ball drop on New Year's the Time Square ball drop on New Year's the Time Square ball drop on New Year's Eve the apple or apple Eve the apple or apple Eve the apple or apple yeah uh no don't do it no drinking of yeah uh no don't do it no drinking of yeah uh no don't do it no drinking of any liquids any liquids any liquids whatsoever train your bladder think of whatsoever train your bladder think of whatsoever train your bladder think of it as a 10hour flight to Tokyo where you

it as a 10hour flight to Tokyo where you it as a 10hour flight to Tokyo where you don't want to go to the bathroom yeah don't want to go to the bathroom yeah don't want to go to the bathroom yeah there you go that's what it is it's a there you go that's what it is it's a there you go that's what it is it's a 10hour flight to Tokyo you're going 10hour flight to Tokyo you're going 10hour flight to Tokyo you're going cross country you don't want to stop at cross country you don't want to stop at cross country you don't want to stop at any of the gas stations along the way to any of the gas stations along the way to any of the gas stations along the way to take I I guess the only alternative take I I guess the only alternative take I I guess the only alternative would be is if you were staying at the would be is if you were staying at the would be is if you were staying at the Marriott Marquee or one of the really Marriott Marquee or one of the really Marriott Marquee or one of the really really close hotels where you got the really close hotels where you got the really close hotels where you got the whole kitten kab but if you want to be whole kitten kab but if you want to be whole kitten kab but if you want to be on the street with all the on the street with all the on the street with all the crazies yeah crazies yeah crazies yeah bring an empty bottle of bring an empty bottle of bring an empty bottle of Gatorade yeah um but before we get Gatorade yeah um but before we get Gatorade yeah um but before we get things kicked off things kicked off things kicked off because it can only go up from here it because it can only go up from here it because it can only go up from here it can only go up from here but actually can only go up from here but actually can only go up from here but actually this is very valuable advice I'm sure this is very valuable advice I'm sure this is very valuable advice I'm sure there's a good number of people who are there's a good number of people who are there's a good number of people who are going hey you know we should try it it's going hey you know we should try it it's going hey you know we should try it it's like no you know yeah it's not watch it like no you know yeah it's not watch it like no you know yeah it's not watch it on TV yeah yeah I think they exactly on TV yeah yeah I think they exactly on TV yeah yeah I think they exactly yeah um zero is a good number yeah um zero is a good number yeah um zero is a good number sometimes yeah sometimes yeah sometimes yeah yeah one was the loneliest number and yeah one was the loneliest number and yeah one was the loneliest number and now zero is the best number as it turns now zero is the best number as it turns now zero is the best number as it turns outc rock yeah and now we're gonna say outc rock yeah and now we're gonna say outc rock yeah and now we're gonna say goodbye to goodbye to goodbye to 20123 I guess Dick Clark won't be taking 20123 I guess Dick Clark won't be taking 20123 I guess Dick Clark won't be taking us out Willie who do we have who's who us out Willie who do we have who's who us out Willie who do we have who's who takes us out I heard there's a geni takes us out I heard there's a geni takes us out I heard there's a geni version of Dick Clark they're gonna roll version of Dick Clark they're gonna roll version of Dick Clark they're gonna roll out really content no kidding generate really content no kidding generate something but um like a Tupac version something but um like a Tupac version something but um like a Tupac version kind of hologram I don't know I mean kind of hologram I don't know I mean kind of hologram I don't know I mean Ryan Crest would love that right yeah

Ryan Crest would love that right yeah Ryan Crest would love that right yeah yeah he would he would I agree yeah so yeah he would he would I agree yeah so yeah he would he would I agree yeah so before we kick things off um just want before we kick things off um just want before we kick things off um just want to say we're still running our um you to say we're still running our um you to say we're still running our um you know oh my God you know what that looks know oh my God you know what that looks know oh my God you know what that looks great that looks great blue is nice great that looks great blue is nice great that looks great blue is nice that's a nice yeah I think it's black that's a nice yeah I think it's black that's a nice yeah I think it's black right is it blue or black this one is right is it blue or black this one is right is it blue or black this one is black maybe it looks blue through the black maybe it looks blue through the black maybe it looks blue through the camera though who knows it's bluish camera though who knows it's bluish camera though who knows it's bluish black yeah I need a hood to cover up my black yeah I need a hood to cover up my black yeah I need a hood to cover up my hair yeah I need a hat to cover up my hair yeah I need a hat to cover up my hair yeah I need a hat to cover up my hair look at look at this crazy oh my hair look at look at this crazy oh my hair look at look at this crazy oh my gosh yeah hair play Hoops I'm like you gosh yeah hair play Hoops I'm like you gosh yeah hair play Hoops I'm like you don't even want to see what I look don't even want to see what I look don't even want to see what I look like watch like a gigantic afro like watch like a gigantic afro like watch like a gigantic afro like I love it I love it that's the old like I love it I love it that's the old like I love it I love it that's the old days yeah but we're we're still running days yeah but we're we're still running days yeah but we're we're still running our um uh the Elevate our kids uh um our um uh the Elevate our kids uh um our um uh the Elevate our kids uh um donation Drive so still trying to hit donation Drive so still trying to hit donation Drive so still trying to hit 25,000 by the end of the year so we're 25,000 by the end of the year so we're 25,000 by the end of the year so we're getting close to the final days of being getting close to the final days of being getting close to the final days of being able to make a donation so uh if you uh able to make a donation so uh if you uh able to make a donation so uh if you uh are so inclined please make a donation are so inclined please make a donation are so inclined please make a donation to to to www. elevate our kids.org what we're www. elevate our kids.org what we're www. elevate our kids.org what we're trying to do is Bridge the digital trying to do is Bridge the digital trying to do is Bridge the digital Equity divide for kids K through 12 so Equity divide for kids K through 12 so Equity divide for kids K through 12 so that uh they have an opportunity to uh that uh they have an opportunity to uh that uh they have an opportunity to uh participate uh uh in the digital economy participate uh uh in the digital economy participate uh uh in the digital economy and our digital future or Quantum and our digital future or Quantum and our digital future or Quantum future the quantum verse whatever you

future the quantum verse whatever you future the quantum verse whatever you want to call it yeah uh I think I yeah want to call it yeah uh I think I yeah want to call it yeah uh I think I yeah and you know I mean gosh Steve brummer and you know I mean gosh Steve brummer and you know I mean gosh Steve brummer and I have been on the live now for the and I have been on the live now for the and I have been on the live now for the last seven or eight days just last seven or eight days just last seven or eight days just 247 you know working the phones you know 247 you know working the phones you know 247 you know working the phones you know people dialing in and stuff like that people dialing in and stuff like that people dialing in and stuff like that and that's why I look like and that's why I look like and that's why I look like this I thought look like that every this I thought look like that every this I thought look like that every morning but morning but morning but okay I haven't slept you know the yeah okay I haven't slept you know the yeah okay I haven't slept you know the yeah all the phone banks are just going all the phone banks are just going all the phone banks are just going crazy yeah yeah exactly are are you crazy yeah yeah exactly are are you crazy yeah yeah exactly are are you regretting uh threatening the entire regretting uh threatening the entire regretting uh threatening the entire world of going Jerry Lewis world of going Jerry Lewis world of going Jerry Lewis on we went full Jerry Le I don't know if on we went full Jerry Le I don't know if on we went full Jerry Le I don't know if that's a threat is that a threat full that's a threat is that a threat full that's a threat is that a threat full Jerry Lewis yeah yeah we did it we did Jerry Lewis yeah yeah we did it we did Jerry Lewis yeah yeah we did it we did it you know I'm loving it you know he it you know I'm loving it you know he it you know I'm loving it you know he going to start singing at the end of the going to start singing at the end of the going to start singing at the end of the weekend exactly yeah you know when I see weekend exactly yeah you know when I see weekend exactly yeah you know when I see Jerry Lewis singing which really dates Jerry Lewis singing which really dates Jerry Lewis singing which really dates all of us here now um except for me I all of us here now um except for me I all of us here now um except for me I feel like Jerry Lewis you know like he's feel like Jerry Lewis you know like he's feel like Jerry Lewis you know like he's holding a cocktail maybe a cigarette and holding a cocktail maybe a cigarette and holding a cocktail maybe a cigarette and he's singing and he looks like he's had he's singing and he looks like he's had he's singing and he looks like he's had a few you know maybe a lot well that's how they did it back lot well that's how they did it back then right I mean Network just gave us then right I mean Network just gave us then right I mean Network just gave us two more hours to to meet our next two more hours to to meet our next two more hours to to meet our next goal my my grandmother I I see a picture goal my my grandmother I I see a picture goal my my grandmother I I see a picture of my grandmother still go that's my of my grandmother still go that's my of my grandmother still go that's my Jerry he's

Jerry he's Jerry he's unbelievable I love it I love it that's unbelievable I love it I love it that's unbelievable I love it I love it that's awesome well we do all all of us spend a awesome well we do all all of us spend a awesome well we do all all of us spend a lot of time in Vegas so there's probably lot of time in Vegas so there's probably lot of time in Vegas so there's probably some of that's rubbing off on us you some of that's rubbing off on us you some of that's rubbing off on us you know especially in 2023 I I can't count know especially in 2023 I I can't count know especially in 2023 I I can't count the number of times I've been there or the number of times I've been there or the number of times I've been there or at least accurately at least accurately at least accurately count a blur it's like at least half of count a blur it's like at least half of count a blur it's like at least half of my time seems to have been spent in my time seems to have been spent in my time seems to have been spent in Vegas and I think yeah saw each other in Vegas and I think yeah saw each other in Vegas and I think yeah saw each other in Vegas just think where were we at the Vegas just think where were we at the Vegas just think where were we at the beginning of this year we were in Vegas beginning of this year we were in Vegas beginning of this year we were in Vegas at CES right yeah I just I just think at CES right yeah I just I just think at CES right yeah I just I just think that you if we were half smart we would that you if we were half smart we would that you if we were half smart we would have bought condos like 10 or 20 years have bought condos like 10 or 20 years have bought condos like 10 or 20 years ago knowing that were there for a month ago knowing that were there for a month ago knowing that were there for a month a a a year would been better fun and less year would been better fun and less year would been better fun and less expensive yeah we could be renting out expensive yeah we could be renting out expensive yeah we could be renting out places man we could yeah places man we could yeah places man we could yeah yeah so you know what I'm G to have to yeah so you know what I'm G to have to yeah so you know what I'm G to have to run and come go get something because run and come go get something because run and come go get something because What You Won't Remember was you know we What You Won't Remember was you know we What You Won't Remember was you know we all kind of did our CES 2023 last all kind of did our CES 2023 last all kind of did our CES 2023 last January and we talked about you know we January and we talked about you know we January and we talked about you know we all wrote up our stuff what we thought all wrote up our stuff what we thought all wrote up our stuff what we thought were the coolest things we saw mine was were the coolest things we saw mine was were the coolest things we saw mine was maybe a little unique and a little maybe a little unique and a little maybe a little unique and a little different for most of you guys you know different for most of you guys you know different for most of you guys you know most people were talking about I'd say a most people were talking about I'd say a most people were talking about I'd say a lot of cars being made by people who lot of cars being made by people who lot of cars being made by people who don't normally make cars and a lot of don't normally make cars and a lot of don't normally make cars and a lot of tech stuff I'm going to bring to you tech stuff I'm going to bring to you tech stuff I'm going to bring to you right now what I said was the number one right now what I said was the number one right now what I said was the number one thing Cs and I got it for Christmas so thing Cs and I got it for Christmas so thing Cs and I got it for Christmas so good momento poor favore do we really good momento poor favore do we really good momento poor favore do we really want to see this you know you do you want to see this you know you do you want to see this you know you do you want to see listen the porn show is not

want to see listen the porn show is not want to see listen the porn show is not during CES anymore so it can't be that during CES anymore so it can't be that during CES anymore so it can't be that good no what show is it good no what show is it good no what show is it during um but anyway um while we're during um but anyway um while we're during um but anyway um while we're waiting for him to get back I mean you waiting for him to get back I mean you waiting for him to get back I mean you know this is how we do it folks I mean know this is how we do it folks I mean know this is how we do it folks I mean all right here it is don't tell me it's all right here it is don't tell me it's all right here it is don't tell me it's a Wii a Wii a Wii the freaking the number one breakthrough the freaking the number one breakthrough the freaking the number one breakthrough at CES 2023 that was shown there at CES 2023 that was shown there at CES 2023 that was shown there launched well but it wasn't going to be launched well but it wasn't going to be launched well but it wasn't going to be for sale until like the following summer for sale until like the following summer for sale until like the following summer this last summer actually didn't come this last summer actually didn't come this last summer actually didn't come out till a couple months ago out till a couple months ago out till a couple months ago but this is it oh no way oh gosh no way but this is it oh no way oh gosh no way but this is it oh no way oh gosh no way my the grandkids were wondering about my the grandkids were wondering about my the grandkids were wondering about that one yeah this is crazy this is what that one yeah this is crazy this is what that one yeah this is crazy this is what Atari was showing off at their booth and Atari was showing off at their booth and Atari was showing off at their booth and they had a giant screen and people were they had a giant screen and people were they had a giant screen and people were going nuts and I know you think all that going nuts and I know you think all that going nuts and I know you think all that other Tech stuff was more important than other Tech stuff was more important than other Tech stuff was more important than this but you're all wrong this is more this but you're all wrong this is more this but you're all wrong this is more important yeah okay so I see HDM give us important yeah okay so I see HDM give us important yeah okay so I see HDM give us any more around the technology in that any more around the technology in that any more around the technology in that thing that's thing that's thing that's insane It's Magic technology in that insane It's Magic technology in that insane It's Magic technology in that thing yeah HDMI thing yeah HDMI thing yeah HDMI Wireless another another FM technology Wireless another another FM technology Wireless another another FM technology piece oh but look at all the games oh my piece oh but look at all the games oh my piece oh but look at all the games oh my goodness pal freaking combat remember goodness pal freaking combat remember goodness pal freaking combat remember combat yeah yeah they have ET in there combat yeah yeah they have ET in there combat yeah yeah they have ET in there the ET game the ET game or what was the ET game the ET game or what was the ET game the ET game or what was asteroids we got Missile Command we got asteroids we got Missile Command we got asteroids we got Missile Command we got Tempest we got real Sports basketball Tempest we got real Sports basketball Tempest we got real Sports basketball too that's the most important one is the too that's the most important one is the too that's the most important one is the battle yeah what was that Dungeons and

battle yeah what was that Dungeons and battle yeah what was that Dungeons and dragonish one um The Golden Goblet you dragonish one um The Golden Goblet you dragonish one um The Golden Goblet you had to go around you had the red dragon had to go around you had the red dragon had to go around you had the red dragon the green dragon they look like ducks the green dragon they look like ducks the green dragon they look like ducks they didn't really look like ducks red they didn't really look like ducks red they didn't really look like ducks red dragon was really fast it was really how dragon was really fast it was really how dragon was really fast it was really how about that this pretty quiet this is about that this pretty quiet this is about that this pretty quiet this is this is great stuff for real and this is great stuff for real and this is great stuff for real and actually when they were showing it off actually when they were showing it off actually when they were showing it off at CES they didn't have joysticks like at CES they didn't have joysticks like at CES they didn't have joysticks like this and they got customer this and they got customer this and they got customer feedback so they up their game I forgot feedback so they up their game I forgot feedback so they up their game I forgot what they did before or some other kind what they did before or some other kind what they did before or some other kind of controller so they really didn't need of controller so they really didn't need of controller so they really didn't need to have such a big chassis to have such a big chassis to have such a big chassis for they probably used the for they probably used the for they probably used the microcontroller they could have probably microcontroller they could have probably microcontroller they could have probably ran um they could have you know it could ran um they could have you know it could ran um they could have you know it could probably I know what you're saying I probably I know what you're saying I probably I know what you're saying I know what you're saying because you're know what you're saying because you're know what you're saying because you're thinking like many of us we bought a thinking like many of us we bought a thinking like many of us we bought a raspberry pie and we turned it into a raspberry pie and we turned it into a raspberry pie and we turned it into a retro pie yeah you retro pie yeah you retro pie yeah you know or you can play old video games on know or you can play old video games on know or you can play old video games on a Raspberry Pie and so I know that's a Raspberry Pie and so I know that's a Raspberry Pie and so I know that's where your heads at like we don't need a where your heads at like we don't need a where your heads at like we don't need a big old box whatever for all I know this big old box whatever for all I know this big old box whatever for all I know this thing is smaller than it looks I haven't thing is smaller than it looks I haven't thing is smaller than it looks I haven't opened it yet hav't open it this is like opened it yet hav't open it this is like opened it yet hav't open it this is like really interesting though because like really interesting though because like really interesting though because like there is this there has been this trend there is this there has been this trend there is this there has been this trend of retro and um a lot of kids younger um of retro and um a lot of kids younger um of retro and um a lot of kids younger um uh Gamers that have been gravitating uh Gamers that have been gravitating uh Gamers that have been gravitating toward like crap Graphics right I mean toward like crap Graphics right I mean toward like crap Graphics right I mean Minecraft is a perfect example right of Minecraft is a perfect example right of Minecraft is a perfect example right of that and then you have ROBLOX which I that and then you have ROBLOX which I that and then you have ROBLOX which I mean you know it's really not it's not mean you know it's really not it's not mean you know it's really not it's not photo realistic it's it's just really

photo realistic it's it's just really photo realistic it's it's just really corny looking but that's what kids love corny looking but that's what kids love corny looking but that's what kids love and then you know I watch um my uh and then you know I watch um my uh and then you know I watch um my uh 15-year-old he's playing Roblox I'm 15-year-old he's playing Roblox I'm 15-year-old he's playing Roblox I'm going and it's like the strangest games going and it's like the strangest games going and it's like the strangest games that we could ever imagine anyone that we could ever imagine anyone that we could ever imagine anyone playing and playing and playing and they just totally get into it and is they just totally get into it and is they just totally get into it and is totally totally totally Loi um just looks like crap actually and Loi um just looks like crap actually and Loi um just looks like crap actually and I can't even understand it but that that I can't even understand it but that that I can't even understand it but that that I think that Trend persists and that's I think that Trend persists and that's I think that Trend persists and that's what like all these VR guys have to to what like all these VR guys have to to what like all these VR guys have to to battle against because a lot of these battle against because a lot of these battle against because a lot of these kids are not even interested in VR it's kids are not even interested in VR it's kids are not even interested in VR it's like one day in the near future we'll like one day in the near future we'll like one day in the near future we'll talk about Retro One Day in the near talk about Retro One Day in the near talk about Retro One Day in the near future we'll talk about retro like but future we'll talk about retro like but future we'll talk about retro like but actually having humans get to have actually having humans get to have actually having humans get to have actual jobs actual jobs actual jobs instead of AI doing them you know and so instead of AI doing them you know and so instead of AI doing them you know and so is that what this episode's going to be is that what this episode's going to be is that what this episode's going to be retro it is we're going to be looking retro it is we're going to be looking retro it is we're going to be looking back at 20 we're doing the unboxing here back at 20 we're doing the unboxing here back at 20 we're doing the unboxing here this is oh no way wow this is this is this is oh no way wow this is this is this is oh no way wow this is this is like an apple unboxing except it's Atari like an apple unboxing except it's Atari like an apple unboxing except it's Atari which is more important than Apple right which is more important than Apple right which is more important than Apple right yeah yeah jobs actually work there right yeah yeah jobs actually work there right yeah yeah jobs actually work there right oh no is he going to go and get oh no is he going to go and get oh no is he going to go and get something or is he just letting his dog something or is he just letting his dog something or is he just letting his dog out going to go get his retro clip out going to go get his retro clip out going to go get his retro clip phone so this is the size of the phone so this is the size of the phone so this is the size of the console huge yeah it's console huge yeah it's console huge yeah it's uh what are those AR but IR buttons on uh what are those AR but IR buttons on uh what are those AR but IR buttons on top what are

top what are top what are those I think they might one of them is those I think they might one of them is those I think they might one of them is a power button and one is home you know we got HDMI right home you know we got HDMI right there yeah no way you need HDMI for this there yeah no way you need HDMI for this there yeah no way you need HDMI for this thing well you yeah that's the whole thing well you yeah that's the whole thing well you yeah that's the whole point straight no you plug it straight point straight no you plug it straight point straight no you plug it straight into your TV HDMI they've modernized it into your TV HDMI they've modernized it into your TV HDMI they've modernized it for the 21st century instead of RCA for the 21st century instead of RCA for the 21st century instead of RCA cables I understand what you're cables I understand what you're cables I understand what you're thinking the UHF like little connector thinking the UHF like little connector thinking the UHF like little connector thingies or whatever the prongs in the thingies or whatever the prongs in the thingies or whatever the prongs in the back speaking of prongs oh no way dude back speaking of prongs oh no way dude back speaking of prongs oh no way dude it's got a trigger trigger on the the it's got a trigger trigger on the the it's got a trigger trigger on the the joystick that's pretty sophisticated joystick that's pretty sophisticated joystick that's pretty sophisticated yeah it really is actually it's a little yeah it really is actually it's a little yeah it really is actually it's a little too much I mean what kind of retro G you too much I mean what kind of retro G you too much I mean what kind of retro G you G play with so is it got to get G play with so is it got to get G play with so is it got to get connected to the console too is that the connected to the console too is that the connected to the console too is that the is that a power is that a power it's a is that a power is that a power it's a is that a power is that a power it's a power it charges them up they're power it charges them up they're power it charges them up they're wirelessly connected I think the one wirelessly connected I think the one wirelessly connected I think the one they showed at CES was wired wired it they showed at CES was wired wired it they showed at CES was wired wired it was yeah yeah that's right um so this is was yeah yeah that's right um so this is was yeah yeah that's right um so this is exciting stuff folks you know this is exciting stuff folks you know this is exciting stuff folks you know this is just like just like I said you know once just like just like I said you know once just like just like I said you know once we're all homeless and don't have jobs we're all homeless and don't have jobs we're all homeless and don't have jobs because AI taking over you know maybe because AI taking over you know maybe because AI taking over you know maybe you know but just like what we see you know but just like what we see you know but just like what we see Trends in retro we see Trends in I want Trends in retro we see Trends in I want Trends in retro we see Trends in I want Artisan food or handcrafted this or Artisan food or handcrafted this or Artisan food or handcrafted this or thoughtfully created that or a Crosby thoughtfully created that or a Crosby thoughtfully created that or a Crosby turntable yeah like that yeah exactly so

turntable yeah like that yeah exactly so turntable yeah like that yeah exactly so maybe there's hope for us I don't know a maybe there's hope for us I don't know a maybe there's hope for us I don't know a little Fringe something out there you little Fringe something out there you little Fringe something out there you know for our robot AI overlords you know for our robot AI overlords you know for our robot AI overlords you know um retro we talked about the new know um retro we talked about the new know um retro we talked about the new Godzilla you know made for $15 million Godzilla you know made for $15 million Godzilla you know made for $15 million and they're like in the short list now and they're like in the short list now and they're like in the short list now for visual effects for the Oscars hello for visual effects for the Oscars hello for visual effects for the Oscars hello Hollywood you better wake up somebody Hollywood you better wake up somebody Hollywood you better wake up somebody figured out how to make Godzilla look figured out how to make Godzilla look figured out how to make Godzilla look better than ever yeah and then better than ever yeah and then better than ever yeah and then I I watched um Blade Runner um recently I I watched um Blade Runner um recently I I watched um Blade Runner um recently the original yeah I I was just amazed at the original yeah I I was just amazed at the original yeah I I was just amazed at how well it holds up it's Matrix if you how well it holds up it's Matrix if you how well it holds up it's Matrix if you look at the original Matrix I that's the look at the original Matrix I that's the look at the original Matrix I that's the same thing I mean well yeah but you know same thing I mean well yeah but you know same thing I mean well yeah but you know um storytelling you know just amazing um storytelling you know just amazing um storytelling you know just amazing that's it is it's the story it's just so that's it is it's the story it's just so that's it is it's the story it's just so much more important than all the much more important than all the much more important than all the freaking uh you know CGI I that's why freaking uh you know CGI I that's why freaking uh you know CGI I that's why the satari thing ruin that's why the the satari thing ruin that's why the the satari thing ruin that's why the satari thing is going to be popular satari thing is going to be popular satari thing is going to be popular that's why people still play Nintendo that's why people still play Nintendo that's why people still play Nintendo after all these years even though they after all these years even though they after all these years even though they don't build superpowered consoles like don't build superpowered consoles like don't build superpowered consoles like Xboxes and PlayStations it's the story Xboxes and PlayStations it's the story Xboxes and PlayStations it's the story is better you know it could be a simple is better you know it could be a simple is better you know it could be a simple story stre so um hey what do you guys story stre so um hey what do you guys story stre so um hey what do you guys think about think about think about 2023 you think we're going to go I mean 2023 you think we're going to go I mean 2023 you think we're going to go I mean is society going to have an allergic is society going to have an allergic is society going to have an allergic reaction to all this hyper

reaction to all this hyper reaction to all this hyper Tech you know Tech you know Tech you know Obsession you know I don't think I don't Obsession you know I don't think I don't Obsession you know I don't think I don't think so I think so I think so I think there'll always be the folks that think there'll always be the folks that think there'll always be the folks that you know Rebel and you know carve their you know Rebel and you know carve their you know Rebel and you know carve their pencils by hand or whatever I don't know pencils by hand or whatever I don't know pencils by hand or whatever I don't know but um yeah in general you know like all but um yeah in general you know like all but um yeah in general you know like all this stuff is happening because people this stuff is happening because people this stuff is happening because people are are are inherently looking for you know doing inherently looking for you know doing inherently looking for you know doing you know less work and more you know less work and more you know less work and more entertainment being thrown at them and entertainment being thrown at them and entertainment being thrown at them and spending less money and so I think all spending less money and so I think all spending less money and so I think all this stuff unfortunately there's a this stuff unfortunately there's a this stuff unfortunately there's a gravitational pull gravitational pull gravitational pull toward adopting a lot more Tech to make toward adopting a lot more Tech to make toward adopting a lot more Tech to make people's lives easier yeah people's lives easier yeah people's lives easier yeah so I don't I don't know if it's really so I don't I don't know if it's really so I don't I don't know if it's really going to be a that's for the big Society going to be a that's for the big Society going to be a that's for the big Society kind of trend I think it's all it's all kind of trend I think it's all it's all kind of trend I think it's all it's all following the money and um unfortunately following the money and um unfortunately following the money and um unfortunately so I think it's like Tech has now become so I think it's like Tech has now become so I think it's like Tech has now become I was talking to someone the other day I was talking to someone the other day I was talking to someone the other day is like you know 10 20 years ago like is like you know 10 20 years ago like is like you know 10 20 years ago like when we were in Tech first got to Tech when we were in Tech first got to Tech when we were in Tech first got to Tech decades ago it was kind of this decades ago it was kind of this decades ago it was kind of this interesting little niche over here and interesting little niche over here and interesting little niche over here and at Thanksgiving they would say oh yeah at Thanksgiving they would say oh yeah at Thanksgiving they would say oh yeah he he's into computers you know that guy he he's into computers you know that guy he he's into computers you know that guy over there and then and now it's like over there and then and now it's like over there and then and now it's like Tech is like a foundational to our Tech is like a foundational to our Tech is like a foundational to our health care our education our health care our education our health care our education our transportation you know it's in our transportation you know it's in our transportation you know it's in our pockets it's how we connect to Grandma I pockets it's how we connect to Grandma I pockets it's how we connect to Grandma I mean it's like it's like Tech everyone mean it's like it's like Tech everyone mean it's like it's like Tech everyone is now taking such a dependency on Tech is now taking such a dependency on Tech is now taking such a dependency on Tech everybody uh that it's not like the it's everybody uh that it's not like the it's everybody uh that it's not like the it's not like the thing over there anymore not like the thing over there anymore not like the thing over there anymore it's just a foundational and so uh which it's just a foundational and so uh which it's just a foundational and so uh which is a little scary right I mean now like is a little scary right I mean now like is a little scary right I mean now like that's why there's so much economic

that's why there's so much economic that's why there's so much economic discussion around uh Ai and chips and discussion around uh Ai and chips and discussion around uh Ai and chips and people talk you know talking about people talk you know talking about people talk you know talking about semiconductors and all this other stuff semiconductors and all this other stuff semiconductors and all this other stuff because but it's so found but I'll tell because but it's so found but I'll tell because but it's so found but I'll tell you something um what I've you know I um you something um what I've you know I um you something um what I've you know I um I cut our whole family cut themselves I cut our whole family cut themselves I cut our whole family cut themselves off from Facebook a few C you know a few off from Facebook a few C you know a few off from Facebook a few C you know a few years ago actually now guess what don't years ago actually now guess what don't years ago actually now guess what don't miss it at all uh and I'm just thinking miss it at all uh and I'm just thinking miss it at all uh and I'm just thinking uh at some point where people find peace uh at some point where people find peace uh at some point where people find peace is when they disconnect from all of this is when they disconnect from all of this is when they disconnect from all of this because you know I mean you and it's a because you know I mean you and it's a because you know I mean you and it's a problem so we're going to be we're going problem so we're going to be we're going problem so we're going to be we're going to be all or many of us are probably to be all or many of us are probably to be all or many of us are probably going to be at CES next in a couple of going to be at CES next in a couple of going to be at CES next in a couple of weeks um that's why things like smart weeks um that's why things like smart weeks um that's why things like smart home have a problem right it's just home have a problem right it's just home have a problem right it's just easier to just walk over there do a easier to just walk over there do a easier to just walk over there do a little exercise and switch on your light little exercise and switch on your light little exercise and switch on your light or roll up the windows then to go and or roll up the windows then to go and or roll up the windows then to go and have this thing all done for you and have this thing all done for you and have this thing all done for you and have some kind of AI understand every have some kind of AI understand every have some kind of AI understand every single intent that you might have at single intent that you might have at single intent that you might have at every single moment I think people you every single moment I think people you every single moment I think people you know just go okay um you know what maybe know just go okay um you know what maybe know just go okay um you know what maybe living is actually kind of a good thing living is actually kind of a good thing living is actually kind of a good thing and that's that was a nice thing about and that's that was a nice thing about and that's that was a nice thing about detaching myself from and you know my detaching myself from and you know my detaching myself from and you know my family from Facebook is that we weren't family from Facebook is that we weren't family from Facebook is that we weren't preoccupied with this artificial thing preoccupied with this artificial thing preoccupied with this artificial thing and we actually started meeting people and we actually started meeting people and we actually started meeting people spend a lot more time engaging with spend a lot more time engaging with spend a lot more time engaging with humans that matter do you know what I'm

humans that matter do you know what I'm humans that matter do you know what I'm saying rather than being distracted by saying rather than being distracted by saying rather than being distracted by sure although there's a lot more these sure although there's a lot more these sure although there's a lot more these days but you know they don't really days but you know they don't really days but you know they don't really impact your life huh yeah but there's impact your life huh yeah but there's impact your life huh yeah but there's there's more to engage with these days there's more to engage with these days there's more to engage with these days than just Facebook right so you could be than just Facebook right so you could be than just Facebook right so you could be oh yeah you know maybe you're just into oh yeah you know maybe you're just into oh yeah you know maybe you're just into Reddit and some subreddits or maybe Reddit and some subreddits or maybe Reddit and some subreddits or maybe you're into you know whatever so yeah I you're into you know whatever so yeah I you're into you know whatever so yeah I mean like I only use Facebook now for mean like I only use Facebook now for mean like I only use Facebook now for the groups I have some special groups the groups I have some special groups the groups I have some special groups you know for like Volvo parts and stuff you know for like Volvo parts and stuff you know for like Volvo parts and stuff like that and so for me that's like like that and so for me that's like like that and so for me that's like that's my Facebook the rest of it yeah I that's my Facebook the rest of it yeah I that's my Facebook the rest of it yeah I mean whatever so I think people have mean whatever so I think people have mean whatever so I think people have more options now and they can sort of more options now and they can sort of more options now and they can sort of pin into their little thing that they do pin into their little thing that they do pin into their little thing that they do um then in the day it was either um then in the day it was either um then in the day it was either Facebook or nothing or it was yeah I'm Facebook or nothing or it was yeah I'm Facebook or nothing or it was yeah I'm really freaked out now because now that really freaked out now because now that really freaked out now because now that I know that Leonard's not on Facebook I know that Leonard's not on Facebook I know that Leonard's not on Facebook I'm wondering who the Leonard Lee was I'm wondering who the Leonard Lee was I'm wondering who the Leonard Lee was that I connected to became friends with that I connected to became friends with that I connected to became friends with it looks just like big long chat last it looks just like big long chat last it looks just like big long chat last night yeah yeah I was like what the heck night yeah yeah I was like what the heck night yeah yeah I was like what the heck all those paypals you know hey Rob I all those paypals you know hey Rob I all those paypals you know hey Rob I need money yeah no he did he 500,000 need money yeah no he did he 500,000 need money yeah no he did he 500,000 yeah over the last last few years he's yeah over the last last few years he's yeah over the last last few years he's had me wire lots of money probably had me wire lots of money probably had me wire lots of money probably $50,000 and so but I was like I'm happy $50,000 and so but I was like I'm happy $50,000 and so but I was like I'm happy to help whatever man I'm here for you to help whatever man I'm here for you to help whatever man I'm here for you bro it turns oh my God I'm kind of bro it turns oh my God I'm kind of bro it turns oh my God I'm kind of panicking wow wow I don't know what to panicking wow wow I don't know what to panicking wow wow I don't know what to think about this yeah but anyway okay think about this yeah but anyway okay think about this yeah but anyway okay kids aren't on Facebook anyway they kids kids aren't on Facebook anyway they kids kids aren't on Facebook anyway they kids abandon are never even old people're on abandon are never even old people're on abandon are never even old people're on Snapchat or whatever true yeah but hey Snapchat or whatever true yeah but hey Snapchat or whatever true yeah but hey Rob what what did you think man 2023

Rob what what did you think man 2023 Rob what what did you think man 2023 what were your big uh you what were your big uh you what were your big uh you know I remember at the beginning don't know I remember at the beginning don't know I remember at the beginning don't say gen please Jesus we talked about say gen please Jesus we talked about say gen please Jesus we talked about gen at the very beginning of 2023 we gen at the very beginning of 2023 we gen at the very beginning of 2023 we were talking about this crazy chat gbt were talking about this crazy chat gbt were talking about this crazy chat gbt that had come out a couple months before that had come out a couple months before that had come out a couple months before and how we talked about disinformation and how we talked about disinformation and how we talked about disinformation that it was kind creating and how we we that it was kind creating and how we we that it was kind creating and how we we were already seeing stuff in the media were already seeing stuff in the media were already seeing stuff in the media fake media fake voices fake uh fake media fake voices fake uh fake media fake voices fake uh explosions at the Pentagon stuff like explosions at the Pentagon stuff like explosions at the Pentagon stuff like that and so I remember I was just that and so I remember I was just that and so I remember I was just thinking wow you know we kind of I was thinking wow you know we kind of I was thinking wow you know we kind of I was remember thinking the be beginning of remember thinking the be beginning of remember thinking the be beginning of 2023 we're seeing the rise of this 2023 we're seeing the rise of this 2023 we're seeing the rise of this generative Ai and like every kind of generative Ai and like every kind of generative Ai and like every kind of Technology it's neutral or it's dual use Technology it's neutral or it's dual use Technology it's neutral or it's dual use or whatever you want to call it you know or whatever you want to call it you know or whatever you want to call it you know it can be used for good and bad and it can be used for good and bad and it can be used for good and bad and unfortunately there's lots of bad people unfortunately there's lots of bad people unfortunately there's lots of bad people out there which suck and and so I out there which suck and and so I out there which suck and and so I remember my prediction was that we would remember my prediction was that we would remember my prediction was that we would see the sunset of humanity by the end of see the sunset of humanity by the end of see the sunset of humanity by the end of 2023 um but somehow we're still here in 2023 um but somehow we're still here in 2023 um but somehow we're still here in our bunkers still got a few days to go I know we be right we still until the go I know we be right we still until the weekend we have the weekend yeah so I'm weekend we have the weekend yeah so I'm weekend we have the weekend yeah so I'm starting to wonder if my prediction starting to wonder if my prediction starting to wonder if my prediction we're going to swat Rob's house yeah we're going to swat Rob's house yeah we're going to swat Rob's house yeah exactly I keep waiting for that to exactly I keep waiting for that to exactly I keep waiting for that to happen actually um yeah and so maybe my happen actually um yeah and so maybe my happen actually um yeah and so maybe my prediction of the fall of humanity due prediction of the fall of humanity due prediction of the fall of humanity due to AG artificial no not AGI we're not to AG artificial no not AGI we're not to AG artificial no not AGI we're not there um but anyway gen AI um maybe it

there um but anyway gen AI um maybe it there um but anyway gen AI um maybe it won't come true maybe I felt at the won't come true maybe I felt at the won't come true maybe I felt at the beginning of the year there was this beginning of the year there was this beginning of the year there was this hype and acceleration and and things hype and acceleration and and things hype and acceleration and and things have gotten more and more powerful and have gotten more and more powerful and have gotten more and more powerful and you're seeing a lot of other players you're seeing a lot of other players you're seeing a lot of other players come in throughout the year and I come in throughout the year and I come in throughout the year and I thought there was you know and you know thought there was you know and you know thought there was you know and you know and since I go do this you know military and since I go do this you know military and since I go do this you know military advisory stuff three times a year that advisory stuff three times a year that advisory stuff three times a year that was the big talk with all these generals was the big talk with all these generals was the big talk with all these generals and Admirals you know at the Pentagon and Admirals you know at the Pentagon and Admirals you know at the Pentagon and stuff they're they're like and stuff they're they're like and stuff they're they're like misinformation things that look real misinformation things that look real misinformation things that look real that don't you know they're super that don't you know they're super that don't you know they're super concerned and so yeah I like wow maybe concerned and so yeah I like wow maybe concerned and so yeah I like wow maybe this is it maybe we're done but we're this is it maybe we're done but we're this is it maybe we're done but we're still here we're live and I'll say that still here we're live and I'll say that still here we're live and I'll say that now and then 2024 we'll just be like you now and then 2024 we'll just be like you now and then 2024 we'll just be like you know know know yeah that's you know man yeah that's you know man yeah that's you know man 2024 we'll talk about 20 24 right 2023 2024 we'll talk about 20 24 right 2023 2024 we'll talk about 20 24 right 2023 you you you know I think it was not a great year I know I think it was not a great year I know I think it was not a great year I think there's too much strife and bad think there's too much strife and bad think there's too much strife and bad stuff going on in the world to be honest stuff going on in the world to be honest stuff going on in the world to be honest with you I think it's you you know to with you I think it's you you know to with you I think it's you you know to get really jaded you know I was uh I get really jaded you know I was uh I get really jaded you know I was uh I used to worry about stuff like climate used to worry about stuff like climate used to worry about stuff like climate change and things like that ending change and things like that ending change and things like that ending humanity and stuff like that but humanity and stuff like that but humanity and stuff like that but throughout the course of the year I've throughout the course of the year I've throughout the course of the year I've decided that that's not what's going to decided that that's not what's going to decided that that's not what's going to get rid of humanity we're going to it's get rid of humanity we're going to it's get rid of humanity we're going to it's it's us yeah um unfortunately there's it's us yeah um unfortunately there's it's us yeah um unfortunately there's just so much bad stuff happening all just so much bad stuff happening all just so much bad stuff happening all over the world yeah I mean you know the over the world yeah I mean you know the over the world yeah I mean you know the thing is is um I think you're right thing is is um I think you're right thing is is um I think you're right um we assume people care but most people um we assume people care but most people um we assume people care but most people don't they care although you see that

don't they care although you see that don't they care although you see that I'll just counter rob a little bit to I'll just counter rob a little bit to I'll just counter rob a little bit to say that say that say that bad stuff is has been happening a lot bad stuff is has been happening a lot bad stuff is has been happening a lot for a long time now we because of our for a long time now we because of our for a long time now we because of our such connectedness which keeps hyper such connectedness which keeps hyper such connectedness which keeps hyper accelerating you know we are on the accelerating you know we are on the accelerating you know we are on the ground 247 and all these bad things ground 247 and all these bad things ground 247 and all these bad things happening in the right in our face so I happening in the right in our face so I happening in the right in our face so I think there's a little bit of a think there's a little bit of a think there's a little bit of a perception thing too where you know I perception thing too where you know I perception thing too where you know I mean if you look back in about decades mean if you look back in about decades mean if you look back in about decades ago I mean there a lot of really ago I mean there a lot of really ago I mean there a lot of really horrible things happening that probably horrible things happening that probably horrible things happening that probably we never heard about but we didn't know we never heard about but we didn't know we never heard about but we didn't know yeah that's a good point Pete we didn't yeah that's a good point Pete we didn't yeah that's a good point Pete we didn't know bad things were happening all over know bad things were happening all over know bad things were happening all over the globe back then yeah but now every the globe back then yeah but now every the globe back then yeah but now every day live we know everything day live we know everything day live we know everything instantaneously yeah it's too much it's instantaneously yeah it's too much it's instantaneously yeah it's too much it's too much it is too much yeah there's too much it is too much yeah there's too much it is too much yeah there's this uh I don't know if you've seen it this uh I don't know if you've seen it this uh I don't know if you've seen it in economics they call it the law of in economics they call it the law of in economics they call it the law of diminishing returns right so the more diminishing returns right so the more diminishing returns right so the more you put into it the less you get out of you put into it the less you get out of you put into it the less you get out of it and then it kind of slops now there's it and then it kind of slops now there's it and then it kind of slops now there's like Ray kwi I think said the law of like Ray kwi I think said the law of like Ray kwi I think said the law of accelerating returns right so now it's accelerating returns right so now it's accelerating returns right so now it's like the more you put into it the faster like the more you put into it the faster like the more you put into it the faster it's it's going and I think we're in one it's it's going and I think we're in one it's it's going and I think we're in one of those acceleration mod big time in of those acceleration mod big time in of those acceleration mod big time in 2023 but you know it's interesting um 2023 but you know it's interesting um 2023 but you know it's interesting um the thing is with the diminishing return the thing is with the diminishing return the thing is with the diminishing return stuff I mean so this is what you know in stuff I mean so this is what you know in stuff I mean so this is what you know in a recent Forbes piece that I contributed a recent Forbes piece that I contributed a recent Forbes piece that I contributed to I said one of the things I said is to I said one of the things I said is to I said one of the things I said is don't worry about um uh Revenue don't worry about um uh Revenue don't worry about um uh Revenue acceleration be much more worried about acceleration be much more worried about acceleration be much more worried about profit acceleration that is much better profit acceleration that is much better profit acceleration that is much better metric and you know um a lot of these a

metric and you know um a lot of these a metric and you know um a lot of these a lot of these companies a lot of things lot of these companies a lot of things lot of these companies a lot of things that we're looking at in terms of tech that we're looking at in terms of tech that we're looking at in terms of tech acceleration with these hype Cycles is acceleration with these hype Cycles is acceleration with these hype Cycles is um a failure to accelerate and realize um a failure to accelerate and realize um a failure to accelerate and realize in market and societal or consumer or in market and societal or consumer or in market and societal or consumer or whatever value it's you know the whatever value it's you know the whatever value it's you know the mentality of just dumping money in and mentality of just dumping money in and mentality of just dumping money in and capital into a bad idea that's kind of capital into a bad idea that's kind of capital into a bad idea that's kind of like the culture now do you know what like the culture now do you know what like the culture now do you know what I'm saying yeah but I mean I mean for me I'm saying yeah but I mean I mean for me I'm saying yeah but I mean I mean for me though that's a win right cuz I want though that's a win right cuz I want though that's a win right cuz I want confused clients who are putting more confused clients who are putting more confused clients who are putting more money into something that they have no money into something that they have no money into something that they have no idea whether they're going to make a idea whether they're going to make a idea whether they're going to make a profit on it or sell it and so that profit on it or sell it and so that profit on it or sell it and so that makes our business really good because makes our business really good because makes our business really good because we help companies with that we help companies with that we help companies with that commercialization idea around it you're commercialization idea around it you're commercialization idea around it you're right I mean there's no shortage of right I mean there's no shortage of right I mean there's no shortage of great technology but there is still great technology but there is still great technology but there is still shortages of people trying to figure out shortages of people trying to figure out shortages of people trying to figure out where it fits in the economic scenario where it fits in the economic scenario where it fits in the economic scenario but you're it's not your business to go but you're it's not your business to go but you're it's not your business to go and and create uh you know Foster crap and and create uh you know Foster crap and and create uh you know Foster crap businesses right and then tell customers businesses right and then tell customers businesses right and then tell customers to pump more Capital into a dubious or to pump more Capital into a dubious or to pump more Capital into a dubious or even bad idea you're what you're doing even bad idea you're what you're doing even bad idea you're what you're doing and all of us are doing is telling and all of us are doing is telling and all of us are doing is telling people um think twice about what you're people um think twice about what you're people um think twice about what you're doing and maybe this is a better way of doing and maybe this is a better way of doing and maybe this is a better way of looking at what you're doing and if your looking at what you're doing and if your looking at what you're doing and if your conclusion is is this is bad cut you got conclusion is is this is bad cut you got conclusion is is this is bad cut you got tell yeah I mean I think also as part of tell yeah I mean I think also as part of tell yeah I mean I think also as part of it is like knowing I talk about the it is like knowing I talk about the it is like knowing I talk about the where the gravity is like in all these where the gravity is like in all these where the gravity is like in all these different things where's the gravity and different things where's the gravity and different things where's the gravity and I think gravity is accelera so I know

I think gravity is accelera so I know I think gravity is accelera so I know that that's sounds weird but I think the that that's sounds weird but I think the that that's sounds weird but I think the gravity is accelerating and things that gravity is accelerating and things that gravity is accelerating and things that were you I talk about skating to where were you I talk about skating to where were you I talk about skating to where the puck is and all that stuff the puck the puck is and all that stuff the puck the puck is and all that stuff the puck is like moving really fast right now and is like moving really fast right now and is like moving really fast right now and it's really hard for people to get there it's really hard for people to get there it's really hard for people to get there I don't know if the puck is moving fast I don't know if the puck is moving fast I don't know if the puck is moving fast the volatility is increasing and a lot the volatility is increasing and a lot the volatility is increasing and a lot of that you know so riffing off of what of that you know so riffing off of what of that you know so riffing off of what Rob just said earlier with you know a Rob just said earlier with you know a Rob just said earlier with you know a lot of what you're you're alluding to lot of what you're you're alluding to lot of what you're you're alluding to Rob is this um decline in Trust and Rob is this um decline in Trust and Rob is this um decline in Trust and that's what I've felt over the last year that's what I've felt over the last year that's what I've felt over the last year in very concrete ways just look at your in very concrete ways just look at your in very concrete ways just look at your email inbox or any of the calls that we email inbox or any of the calls that we email inbox or any of the calls that we the robo calls how they're getting more the robo calls how they're getting more the robo calls how they're getting more specific you know sophisticated and you specific you know sophisticated and you specific you know sophisticated and you can't trust anything I mean you know can't trust anything I mean you know can't trust anything I mean you know 20123 is where I definitely saw trust in 20123 is where I definitely saw trust in 20123 is where I definitely saw trust in many many things whether it's many many things whether it's many many things whether it's relationships uh personal or um with uh relationships uh personal or um with uh relationships uh personal or um with uh commercial entities or Partners or commercial entities or Partners or commercial entities or Partners or whatever just start to get attacked you whatever just start to get attacked you whatever just start to get attacked you know um and I think it it's only going know um and I think it it's only going know um and I think it it's only going to get worse along the lines of what Rob to get worse along the lines of what Rob to get worse along the lines of what Rob was talking about and I think that's was talking about and I think that's was talking about and I think that's what the generals are concerned about what the generals are concerned about what the generals are concerned about right and in the military it's like what right and in the military it's like what right and in the military it's like what happens when Society the Trust In happens when Society the Trust In happens when Society the Trust In institutions and everything else just institutions and everything else just institutions and everything else just completely declines and that's happening completely declines and that's happening completely declines and that's happening right now all cuz we've definitely had right now all cuz we've definitely had right now all cuz we've definitely had shows before where he's like I cannot shows before where he's like I cannot shows before where he's like I cannot believe what my eyes are seeing I can't believe what my eyes are seeing I can't believe what my eyes are seeing I can't believe what my ears are hearing believe what my ears are hearing believe what my ears are hearing what I'm reading you know and that's a

what I'm reading you know and that's a what I'm reading you know and that's a it's a scary thing yeah you know uh you it's a scary thing yeah you know uh you it's a scary thing yeah you know uh you know back to economics of all this know back to economics of all this know back to economics of all this generative Ai and everything with generative Ai and everything with generative Ai and everything with accelerating I don't know you saw a accelerating I don't know you saw a accelerating I don't know you saw a piece I read a piece from vard kushla a piece I read a piece from vard kushla a piece I read a piece from vard kushla a couple days ago you know he's one of the couple days ago you know he's one of the couple days ago you know he's one of the biggest VCS in the world and he was an biggest VCS in the world and he was an biggest VCS in the world and he was an early VC funer of open Ai and he said he early VC funer of open Ai and he said he early VC funer of open Ai and he said he talked about the economic he said it's talked about the economic he said it's talked about the economic he said it's going to be going to be going to be deflationary and he said you he talked deflationary and he said you he talked deflationary and he said you he talked about all this great stuff's going to about all this great stuff's going to about all this great stuff's going to happen we're going to have all this free happen we're going to have all this free happen we're going to have all this free time and we're going to have all this time and we're going to have all this time and we're going to have all this you know but there's always that it's you know but there's always that it's you know but there's always that it's like well how does that work in a like well how does that work in a like well how does that work in a capitalist Society right you know it is capitalist Society right you know it is capitalist Society right you know it is it caused massive unemployment or does it caused massive unemployment or does it caused massive unemployment or does some magical Utopia happen instead well some magical Utopia happen instead well some magical Utopia happen instead well the Utopia doesn't happen unless you the Utopia doesn't happen unless you the Utopia doesn't happen unless you create a policy and the government create a policy and the government create a policy and the government whatever does something to make that whatever does something to make that whatever does something to make that real if you don't invent the Utopia real if you don't invent the Utopia real if you don't invent the Utopia thing with the robots taking care of you thing with the robots taking care of you thing with the robots taking care of you and you just having leisure time because and you just having leisure time because and you just having leisure time because AI is doing everything AI is doing everything AI is doing everything yeah yeah then then the opposite yeah yeah then then the opposite yeah yeah then then the opposite actually happens it's everybody's out on actually happens it's everybody's out on actually happens it's everybody's out on the streets you know and then of course the streets you know and then of course the streets you know and then of course you know and so you know and so you know and so um kushla was saying we're going to have um kushla was saying we're going to have um kushla was saying we're going to have to have new kpis new metrics to measure to have new kpis new metrics to measure to have new kpis new metrics to measure the economy well-being things like that the economy well-being things like that the economy well-being things like that than we've used in the past because the than we've used in the past because the than we've used in the past because the AI is so disruptive it's going to change AI is so disruptive it's going to change AI is so disruptive it's going to change so much so many different things so fast so much so many different things so fast so much so many different things so fast yeah well even though there like the uh yeah well even though there like the uh yeah well even though there like the uh they're arguing about the unemployment they're arguing about the unemployment they're arguing about the unemployment you know this they use the unemployment you know this they use the unemployment you know this they use the unemployment rate is a rate that's that that metric rate is a rate that's that that metric rate is a rate that's that that metric has been used since like the 30s or 20s

has been used since like the 30s or 20s has been used since like the 30s or 20s or whatever and like there's really we or whatever and like there's really we or whatever and like there's really we need different metrics to talk about how need different metrics to talk about how need different metrics to talk about how long people have been looking for jobs long people have been looking for jobs long people have been looking for jobs or how long you know like these these or how long you know like these these or how long you know like these these other metrics that really talk about the other metrics that really talk about the other metrics that really talk about the health of the employe employment economy health of the employe employment economy health of the employe employment economy you can't take the 1099s and all the you can't take the 1099s and all the you can't take the 1099s and all the people that have started their own people that have started their own people that have started their own little businesses out of that are still little businesses out of that are still little businesses out of that are still being shown up as numbers with no jobs being shown up as numbers with no jobs being shown up as numbers with no jobs so true yeah good point good point one so true yeah good point good point one so true yeah good point good point one over Christmas so was interesting I I over Christmas so was interesting I I over Christmas so was interesting I I love them for communicating to relatives love them for communicating to relatives love them for communicating to relatives and friends and stuff that you haven't and friends and stuff that you haven't and friends and stuff that you haven't talked to in a while at these parties talked to in a while at these parties talked to in a while at these parties and things and one of this guy who main and things and one of this guy who main and things and one of this guy who main namess uh from a major university in the namess uh from a major university in the namess uh from a major university in the Boston area was saying that um he was Boston area was saying that um he was Boston area was saying that um he was talking to a a talking to a a talking to a a class if you wanted to reverse the class if you wanted to reverse the class if you wanted to reverse the negativism that's around the world and negativism that's around the world and negativism that's around the world and all the things would do stop all social all the things would do stop all social all the things would do stop all social media for a month and see what happens media for a month and see what happens media for a month and see what happens will the youth be able to know there's a will the youth be able to know there's a will the youth be able to know there's a protest going on in Rockefeller Center protest going on in Rockefeller Center protest going on in Rockefeller Center how if you stopped all that for a month how if you stopped all that for a month how if you stopped all that for a month not will we only go back to the way we not will we only go back to the way we not will we only go back to the way we were before where we had to read it in were before where we had to read it in were before where we had to read it in the newspaper right or Walter kronite the newspaper right or Walter kronite the newspaper right or Walter kronite gave it to you but or the way we were by gave it to you but or the way we were by gave it to you but or the way we were by barbar strand but I mean just to think about strand but I mean just to think about how all those negative things and the how all those negative things and the how all those negative things and the protests and some of the things that are protests and some of the things that are protests and some of the things that are happening around the world that are happening around the world that are happening around the world that are driven by driven by driven by by what would happen if we stopped for a

by what would happen if we stopped for a by what would happen if we stopped for a month like shut it down would that month like shut it down would that month like shut it down would that change the way we look at things will change the way we look at things will change the way we look at things will that change yeah I mean you but I guess that change yeah I mean you but I guess that change yeah I mean you but I guess the argument is the um you know is the the argument is the um you know is the the argument is the um you know is the not knowing better I mean you know I not knowing better I mean you know I not knowing better I mean you know I think it's like you you certainly don't think it's like you you certainly don't think it's like you you certainly don't want things to be distorted but I think want things to be distorted but I think want things to be distorted but I think saying like well I'd rather have my news saying like well I'd rather have my news saying like well I'd rather have my news like delayed by 48 hours and written in like delayed by 48 hours and written in like delayed by 48 hours and written in print I don't know if necessarily good print I don't know if necessarily good print I don't know if necessarily good um you know I think the idea of um you know I think the idea of um you know I think the idea of distorting the the things and that distorting the the things and that distorting the the things and that that's a little more dangerous to me but that's a little more dangerous to me but that's a little more dangerous to me but but that's that's that's what scales a h but that's that's that's what scales a h but that's that's that's what scales a h a lot faster than the truth and Clarity a lot faster than the truth and Clarity a lot faster than the truth and Clarity you know along the lines of what you you know along the lines of what you you know along the lines of what you were talking about earlier Rob I mean were talking about earlier Rob I mean were talking about earlier Rob I mean you know um if you can't you know you you know um if you can't you know you you know um if you can't you know you have a lot of bad guys out there right have a lot of bad guys out there right have a lot of bad guys out there right and they have tools that have a much and they have tools that have a much and they have tools that have a much lower bar to hit like scale out efficacy lower bar to hit like scale out efficacy lower bar to hit like scale out efficacy and and you know impact thenm to do and and you know impact thenm to do and and you know impact thenm to do something oh it's totally you know like something oh it's totally you know like something oh it's totally you know like Microsoft that Microsoft uh freaking Microsoft that Microsoft uh freaking Microsoft that Microsoft uh freaking ignite that was that was the funny thing ignite that was that was the funny thing ignite that was that was the funny thing they were talking about the une economy they were talking about the une economy they were talking about the une economy or the Mis economy or whatever basically or the Mis economy or whatever basically or the Mis economy or whatever basically saying that the saying that the saying that the measurable um somewhere blah blah all that stuff is somewhere blah blah all that stuff is like the second or third largest economy

like the second or third largest economy like the second or third largest economy in in in the you know it's bigger than CH uh the you know it's bigger than CH uh the you know it's bigger than CH uh bigger than it's only second to the bigger than it's only second to the bigger than it's only second to the United States and um uh China something United States and um uh China something United States and um uh China something like eight or nine trillion dollar a like eight or nine trillion dollar a like eight or nine trillion dollar a year that's how big it is but then year that's how big it is but then year that's how big it is but then that's probably underestimating right that's probably underestimating right that's probably underestimating right sure um and so now if these guys are sure um and so now if these guys are sure um and so now if these guys are able to leverage these Technologies an able to leverage these Technologies an able to leverage these Technologies an asymmetrical effect or a more asymmetrical effect or a more asymmetrical effect or a more advantageous effect than the E advantageous effect than the E advantageous effect than the E economies then where are we you know um economies then where are we you know um economies then where are we you know um they have the ability to they have the ability to they have the ability to undermine every single economy that's undermine every single economy that's undermine every single economy that's built on some degree of integrity and built on some degree of integrity and built on some degree of integrity and that's where this whole trust topic I that's where this whole trust topic I that's where this whole trust topic I think is going to become so big or is think is going to become so big or is think is going to become so big or is something that I've noticed has notably something that I've noticed has notably something that I've noticed has notably become an issue and um dude I was become an issue and um dude I was become an issue and um dude I was watching clear what is it clear and watching clear what is it clear and watching clear what is it clear and present danger with ENT Ford dude you present danger with ENT Ford dude you present danger with ENT Ford dude you know the ending of that movie was really know the ending of that movie was really know the ending of that movie was really weird and I I think it's a it's so cool weird and I I think it's a it's so cool weird and I I think it's a it's so cool to watch these it doesn't matter what to watch these it doesn't matter what to watch these it doesn't matter what that content is we shouldn't cancel that content is we shouldn't cancel that content is we shouldn't cancel anything we should just watch be able to anything we should just watch be able to anything we should just watch be able to watch movies from the past because watch movies from the past because watch movies from the past because they're they're such a great um you know they're they're such a great um you know they're they're such a great um you know they they're just great um ways to they they're just great um ways to they they're just great um ways to reflect back on how we were thinking reflect back on how we were thinking reflect back on how we were thinking back in the day and Harrison Ford when back in the day and Harrison Ford when back in the day and Harrison Ford when he the president's lecturing him about he the president's lecturing him about he the president's lecturing him about um how dare you sir basically yeah Barry

um how dare you sir basically yeah Barry um how dare you sir basically yeah Barry stuff he basically you know he says we stuff he basically you know he says we stuff he basically you know he says we can't afford another can't afford another can't afford another Scandal so back then we cared about Scandal so back then we cared about Scandal so back then we cared about Scandal and the Integrity of our Scandal and the Integrity of our Scandal and the Integrity of our politicians look at today Dr Ryan I politicians look at today Dr Ryan I politicians look at today Dr Ryan I noticed you don't have a get out of jail noticed you don't have a get out of jail noticed you don't have a get out of jail free card like I free card like I free card like I do do do yeah that was insane right yeah that was insane right yeah that was insane right and but you know the mentality I mean and but you know the mentality I mean and but you know the mentality I mean today uh all of that seems irrelevant today uh all of that seems irrelevant today uh all of that seems irrelevant it's scandal after scandal after scandal it's scandal after scandal after scandal it's scandal after scandal after scandal after I mean it's just after I mean it's just after I mean it's just like that basically buries all that like that basically buries all that like that basically buries all that stuff almost but sometimes your faith stuff almost but sometimes your faith stuff almost but sometimes your faith gets renewed when you see a Santos who gets renewed when you see a Santos who gets renewed when you see a Santos who built this entire campaign and built this entire campaign and built this entire campaign and everything else around [ __ ] you know everything else around [ __ ] you know everything else around [ __ ] you know get thrown out right it just I mean you get thrown out right it just I mean you get thrown out right it just I mean you got to have some say okay well you know got to have some say okay well you know got to have some say okay well you know there's some there is a limit I don't there's some there is a limit I don't there's some there is a limit I don't it's like how did someone like that get it's like how did someone like that get it's like how did someone like that get in in the first in in the first in in the first place yeah I mean I thought I was going place yeah I mean I thought I was going place yeah I mean I thought I was going to run for president but I said I got to run for president but I said I got to run for president but I said I got too much too many skeletons in my closet too much too many skeletons in my closet too much too many skeletons in my closet but Santos is like I don't know go for but Santos is like I don't know go for but Santos is like I don't know go for it I don't care what my SK make up it I don't care what my SK make up it I don't care what my SK make up everything inent a whole life he got in everything inent a whole life he got in everything inent a whole life he got in that's and you can fool everybody all that's and you can fool everybody all that's and you can fool everybody all the time for a while I was so surprised the time for a while I was so surprised the time for a while I was so surprised about that I cannot believe they they're about that I cannot believe they they're about that I cannot believe they they're not going to give him a pension and free not going to give him a pension and free not going to give him a pension and free medical for the rest of his life I just medical for the rest of his life I just medical for the rest of his life I just don't understand that no my don't understand that no my don't understand that no my God after that apparently he's on Cameo

God after that apparently he's on Cameo God after that apparently he's on Cameo so if you got want to personalized so if you got want to personalized so if you got want to personalized greeting you can get one oh yeah but you greeting you can get one oh yeah but you greeting you can get one oh yeah but you know we will be able to generate who is know we will be able to generate who is know we will be able to generate who is he when cool cat that's right I he when cool cat that's right I he when cool cat that's right I am that is funny well maybe we need to am that is funny well maybe we need to am that is funny well maybe we need to have like as you know we have zero trust have like as you know we have zero trust have like as you know we have zero trust uh iot networks maybe we need zero trust uh iot networks maybe we need zero trust uh iot networks maybe we need zero trust social social social networks we already we already great networks we already we already great networks we already we already great idea how do you do that Pete so I mean idea how do you do that Pete so I mean idea how do you do that Pete so I mean isn't that the biggest thing so you know isn't that the biggest thing so you know isn't that the biggest thing so you know Leonard you're sitting there talking Leonard you're sitting there talking Leonard you're sitting there talking about you know this other un economy about you know this other un economy about you know this other un economy it's all hackers and bad stuff it's all hackers and bad stuff it's all hackers and bad stuff everywhere and it's getting bigger and everywhere and it's getting bigger and everywhere and it's getting bigger and bigger and then there's been a lot of bigger and then there's been a lot of bigger and then there's been a lot of talk that this this new AI is going to talk that this this new AI is going to talk that this this new AI is going to be a double-edged sword it's going to be a double-edged sword it's going to be a double-edged sword it's going to facilitate even worse hacks and expose facilitate even worse hacks and expose facilitate even worse hacks and expose threat vectors that we never saw coming threat vectors that we never saw coming threat vectors that we never saw coming at the same time you're supposed to use at the same time you're supposed to use at the same time you're supposed to use AI to help you defend against all this AI to help you defend against all this AI to help you defend against all this stuff yeah um I think cyber stuff yeah um I think cyber stuff yeah um I think cyber security is just gonna go crazy town in security is just gonna go crazy town in security is just gonna go crazy town in 2024 you know New Waves of hack attacks 2024 you know New Waves of hack attacks 2024 you know New Waves of hack attacks you know yeah all these bad people bad you know yeah all these bad people bad you know yeah all these bad people bad humans stop that you know yeah I mean humans stop that you know yeah I mean humans stop that you know yeah I mean they they're like creating cottage they they're like creating cottage they they're like creating cottage industries around it I mean these you industries around it I mean these you industries around it I mean these you know think about the economy like you know think about the economy like you know think about the economy like you said Leonard I mean got companies in said Leonard I mean got companies in said Leonard I mean got companies in Russia and India and all these other bad Russia and India and all these other bad Russia and India and all these other bad areas that are just got people that are areas that are just got people that are areas that are just got people that are just trying to get that money from other just trying to get that money from other just trying to get that money from other people I like seriously how's your job people I like seriously how's your job people I like seriously how's your job today honey that's great I just stole today honey that's great I just stole today honey that's great I just stole you know $250 million from somebody yeah

you know $250 million from somebody yeah you know $250 million from somebody yeah but hey you know what good job what was but hey you know what good job what was but hey you know what good job what was it last week uh rob you said that there it last week uh rob you said that there it last week uh rob you said that there was the hockey stick of was the hockey stick of was the hockey stick of unemployment maybe the way that works is unemployment maybe the way that works is unemployment maybe the way that works is there's hockey stick of unemployment in there's hockey stick of unemployment in there's hockey stick of unemployment in traditional or conventional economies traditional or conventional economies traditional or conventional economies and then there's a hockey stick of and then there's a hockey stick of and then there's a hockey stick of employment in the une employment in the une employment in the une economy and then you get so we all work economy and then you get so we all work economy and then you get so we all work for Dr Evil yeah and then there's your for Dr Evil yeah and then there's your for Dr Evil yeah and then there's your web three me there's web three so there web three me there's web three so there web three me there's web three so there can chop chalk up a win for can chop chalk up a win for can chop chalk up a win for Steve you're going to be you're going to Steve you're going to be you're going to Steve you're going to be you're going to be a war you're going to be a a you know be a war you're going to be a a you know be a war you're going to be a a you know War profer War profer War profer yeah yeah well you know what I remember yeah yeah well you know what I remember yeah yeah well you know what I remember I remember relaying a comment and who I remember relaying a comment and who I remember relaying a comment and who knows if it'll be a prediction but I knows if it'll be a prediction but I knows if it'll be a prediction but I remember having a an admiral say related remember having a an admiral say related remember having a an admiral say related to some of this stuff one of our to some of this stuff one of our to some of this stuff one of our conversations like are we going to have conversations like are we going to have conversations like are we going to have to do missile strike to do missile strike to do missile strike against data against data against data centers and it's a strange thing to hear centers and it's a strange thing to hear centers and it's a strange thing to hear but maybe it's not that but maybe it's not that but maybe it's not that strange you know and that was in the how strange you know and that was in the how strange you know and that was in the how do you put a missile strike in the cloud do you put a missile strike in the cloud do you put a missile strike in the cloud where does it go oh you can yeah it's where does it go oh you can yeah it's where does it go oh you can yeah it's going to be a surface to going to be a surface to going to be a surface to air but it then quietly secretly goes air but it then quietly secretly goes air but it then quietly secretly goes back to surface to that big building back to surface to that big building back to surface to that big building that the clouds actually in it's going that the clouds actually in it's going that the clouds actually in it's going to be ballistic to be ballistic to be ballistic basically what it is yeah no but you basically what it is yeah no but you basically what it is yeah no but you know what maybe that's a prediction for know what maybe that's a prediction for know what maybe that's a prediction for 24 if CU where does all this bad stuff 24 if CU where does all this bad stuff 24 if CU where does all this bad stuff happen it happens over the internet and

happen it happens over the internet and happen it happens over the internet and through servers in data through servers in data through servers in data centers right I sent around I read an centers right I sent around I read an centers right I sent around I read an article about um one of these Trends so article about um one of these Trends so article about um one of these Trends so my you know the the fact that we don't my you know the the fact that we don't my you know the the fact that we don't have enough power and water to power have enough power and water to power have enough power and water to power these AI data centers there's this these AI data centers there's this these AI data centers there's this parallel article in New York Times but parallel article in New York Times but parallel article in New York Times but we don't have enough water to support we don't have enough water to support we don't have enough water to support all the the the the cheese eating habits all the the the the cheese eating habits all the the the the cheese eating habits of American of American of American they like eating a lot of cheese and a they like eating a lot of cheese and a they like eating a lot of cheese and a lot of chicken and mozzarella cheese is lot of chicken and mozzarella cheese is lot of chicken and mozzarella cheese is number one and it takes a ton of water number one and it takes a ton of water number one and it takes a ton of water there's not enough groundw to produce there's not enough groundw to produce there's not enough groundw to produce the mozzarella cheese habits of the US the mozzarella cheese habits of the US the mozzarella cheese habits of the US and I was thinking well between the data and I was thinking well between the data and I was thinking well between the data centers and the mozzarella cheese I centers and the mozzarella cheese I centers and the mozzarella cheese I don't know which one's going to win don't know which one's going to win don't know which one's going to win out I'll take those fried cheese sticks out I'll take those fried cheese sticks out I'll take those fried cheese sticks with marinara any day over the cloud with marinara any day over the cloud with marinara any day over the cloud there you go so just think about when there you go so just think about when there you go so just think about when you eat that cheese stick that could you eat that cheese stick that could you eat that cheese stick that could have gone to an AI workload but instead have gone to an AI workload but instead have gone to an AI workload but instead you're eating it see it I'm at I'm at you're eating it see it I'm at I'm at you're eating it see it I'm at I'm at Chili's or I'm wherever and I'm having a Chili's or I'm wherever and I'm having a Chili's or I'm wherever and I'm having a mozzarella fried cheese poem cheese mozzarella fried cheese poem cheese mozzarella fried cheese poem cheese stick you know pick one yeah can't have stick you know pick one yeah can't have stick you know pick one yeah can't have both yeah can't have both that's but both yeah can't have both that's but both yeah can't have both that's but that's a big you brought up a good point that's a big you brought up a good point that's a big you brought up a good point there I mean gosh we've and I think there I mean gosh we've and I think there I mean gosh we've and I think we've talked about this SW just the we've talked about this SW just the we've talked about this SW just the amount of energy and water and amount of energy and water and amount of energy and water and everything you know we complained everything you know we complained everything you know we complained mightily about blockchain being a waster mightily about blockchain being a waster mightily about blockchain being a waster of a immense amounts of energy to to of a immense amounts of energy to to of a immense amounts of energy to to mine Bitcoin but running these AI mine Bitcoin but running these AI mine Bitcoin but running these AI training AI models all that stuff that training AI models all that stuff that training AI models all that stuff that is that is a lot of juice we have not is that is a lot of juice we have not is that is a lot of juice we have not paid the paid the piper on that yet so paid the paid the piper on that yet so paid the paid the piper on that yet so that I think that'll be a hot story for that I think that'll be a hot story for that I think that'll be a hot story for 24 again more intense yeah didn't

24 again more intense yeah didn't 24 again more intense yeah didn't Microsoft say they want to start having Microsoft say they want to start having Microsoft say they want to start having small nuclear reactors power their data small nuclear reactors power their data small nuclear reactors power their data centers well they're investing in it centers well they're investing in it centers well they're investing in it yeah and then there's you know all this yeah and then there's you know all this yeah and then there's you know all this hydrogen stuff going on but you know it hydrogen stuff going on but you know it hydrogen stuff going on but you know it turns out like to make the hydrogen is turns out like to make the hydrogen is turns out like to make the hydrogen is like you use a ton of like fossil Fel like you use a ton of like fossil Fel like you use a ton of like fossil Fel because hydrogen is created currently by because hydrogen is created currently by because hydrogen is created currently by steam you know which is like a Coal steam you know which is like a Coal steam you know which is like a Coal Fired plant creating you hydrogen that's Fired plant creating you hydrogen that's Fired plant creating you hydrogen that's then clean fuel I mean it's kind of a then clean fuel I mean it's kind of a then clean fuel I mean it's kind of a big mess you get the clean stuff yeah big mess you get the clean stuff yeah big mess you get the clean stuff yeah you get the clean stuff but it takes you get the clean stuff but it takes you get the clean stuff but it takes like a lot of energy to create the clean like a lot of energy to create the clean like a lot of energy to create the clean aot of dirty to make the clean that aot of dirty to make the clean that aot of dirty to make the clean that funny so I think it's going to be I mean funny so I think it's going to be I mean funny so I think it's going to be I mean even now there's moratoriums around the even now there's moratoriums around the even now there's moratoriums around the world on data centers like I think world on data centers like I think world on data centers like I think there's in Singapore Amsterdam and parts there's in Singapore Amsterdam and parts there's in Singapore Amsterdam and parts of Germany um we're going to see a lot of Germany um we're going to see a lot of Germany um we're going to see a lot of clamp down from economies that are of clamp down from economies that are of clamp down from economies that are saying we cannot give more than half of saying we cannot give more than half of saying we cannot give more than half of our electricity or power to these our electricity or power to these our electricity or power to these hyperscalers for data centers anymore so hyperscalers for data centers anymore so hyperscalers for data centers anymore so yeah that probably will be a thing in 24 yeah that probably will be a thing in 24 yeah that probably will be a thing in 24 that's probably a good thing I mean I that's probably a good thing I mean I that's probably a good thing I mean I think we got had a great another one of think we got had a great another one of think we got had a great another one of those those those Christmas party conversations about Christmas party conversations about Christmas party conversations about nuclear I mean you keep keep going EV EV nuclear I mean you keep keep going EV EV nuclear I mean you keep keep going EV EV EV EV and you go you go up to Boston in EV EV and you go you go up to Boston in EV EV and you go you go up to Boston in the Boston area you know they're they're the Boston area you know they're they're the Boston area you know they're they're not going to have a lot of nuclear power not going to have a lot of nuclear power not going to have a lot of nuclear power plants going into the up you know into plants going into the up you know into plants going into the up you know into the Northeast they I said you got wind the Northeast they I said you got wind the Northeast they I said you got wind you got wind farms out in Cape Cod is you got wind farms out in Cape Cod is you got wind farms out in Cape Cod is that GNA power 20% of the vehicles being that GNA power 20% of the vehicles being that GNA power 20% of the vehicles being on EV well here yeah you know and then on EV well here yeah you know and then on EV well here yeah you know and then the EV thing is like kind of the EV thing is like kind of the EV thing is like kind of a it's a bit of a joke because really a it's a bit of a joke because really a it's a bit of a joke because really the problem you're trying to solve is um

the problem you're trying to solve is um the problem you're trying to solve is um is is is really answered by having less cars yeah really answered by having less cars yeah really answered by having less cars yeah I agree that's the answer it's just that I agree that's the answer it's just that I agree that's the answer it's just that the you Auto industry will never admit the you Auto industry will never admit the you Auto industry will never admit to it and then um a lot of um a lot of to it and then um a lot of um a lot of to it and then um a lot of um a lot of governments will I mean don't their governments will I mean don't their governments will I mean don't their industrial policy will not allow for it industrial policy will not allow for it industrial policy will not allow for it but that's the answer is like how do we but that's the answer is like how do we but that's the answer is like how do we reduce our dependency on vehicles The reduce our dependency on vehicles The reduce our dependency on vehicles The Matrix have flying vehicles instead Matrix have flying vehicles instead Matrix have flying vehicles instead Matrix we The Matrix is how we get Matrix we The Matrix is how we get Matrix we The Matrix is how we get everybody in pods and insert them into everybody in pods and insert them into everybody in pods and insert them into the Matrix and they're going to use the Matrix and they're going to use the Matrix and they're going to use their VR goggles with new gener of AI their VR goggles with new gener of AI their VR goggles with new gener of AI and they're going to have a better life and they're going to have a better life and they're going to have a better life there than they're having living out on there than they're having living out on there than they're having living out on the streets and they and they thought the streets and they and they thought the streets and they and they thought they thought us cellular phone is going they thought us cellular phone is going they thought us cellular phone is going to take brain kill brain cells they you to take brain kill brain cells they you to take brain kill brain cells they you know I mean not not to knock EVS EVS I know I mean not not to knock EVS EVS I know I mean not not to knock EVS EVS I think are great it's a it's a great think are great it's a it's a great think are great it's a it's a great option it it's just I I just really option it it's just I I just really option it it's just I I just really struggle seeing how it's going to take struggle seeing how it's going to take struggle seeing how it's going to take over everything and I think you know over everything and I think you know over everything and I think you know I've written about this um noticing uh I I've written about this um noticing uh I I've written about this um noticing uh I I noticed that the Japanese guys they I noticed that the Japanese guys they I noticed that the Japanese guys they never went full on with the EV right the never went full on with the EV right the never went full on with the EV right the Europeans did and the Americans did they Europeans did and the Americans did they Europeans did and the Americans did they just said hey we'll just continue to just said hey we'll just continue to just said hey we'll just continue to take advantage of our Advanced hybrid take advantage of our Advanced hybrid take advantage of our Advanced hybrid systems cuz we're going to bank on an systems cuz we're going to bank on an systems cuz we're going to bank on an oil industry going to be around being oil industry going to be around being oil industry going to be around being around for a long time we just have to around for a long time we just have to around for a long time we just have to be able to scale out its and Market use

be able to scale out its and Market use be able to scale out its and Market use right so uh and then now you see right so uh and then now you see right so uh and then now you see everyone pivoting you know like GM all everyone pivoting you know like GM all everyone pivoting you know like GM all these guys going oh man this EV stuff is these guys going oh man this EV stuff is these guys going oh man this EV stuff is like not that easy right and well like not that easy right and well like not that easy right and well there's there's so much interesting news there's there's so much interesting news there's there's so much interesting news uh that you hear about like car uh that you hear about like car uh that you hear about like car dealerships it they tell you whatever it dealerships it they tell you whatever it dealerships it they tell you whatever it takes 60 90 days typically to sell a car takes 60 90 days typically to sell a car takes 60 90 days typically to sell a car to move the car and then what you're to move the car and then what you're to move the car and then what you're hear hearing right now it's in the hear hearing right now it's in the hear hearing right now it's in the moment is the EVS sitting on the lots moment is the EVS sitting on the lots moment is the EVS sitting on the lots are taking upwards of a year to sell are taking upwards of a year to sell are taking upwards of a year to sell right and so the car dealership owners right and so the car dealership owners right and so the car dealership owners are like I can't sell this thing which are like I can't sell this thing which are like I can't sell this thing which is a very interesting deal cuz through is a very interesting deal cuz through is a very interesting deal cuz through policy or whatever we're like trying to policy or whatever we're like trying to policy or whatever we're like trying to do the EV deal and so and there was a do the EV deal and so and there was a do the EV deal and so and there was a lot of hype and obviously a lot of lot of hype and obviously a lot of lot of hype and obviously a lot of people were gravy training behind Tesla people were gravy training behind Tesla people were gravy training behind Tesla and so GM and Ford and everybody got and so GM and Ford and everybody got and so GM and Ford and everybody got their act together and started saying their act together and started saying their act together and started saying this is the future and we're retooling this is the future and we're retooling this is the future and we're retooling everything and we're going to lay off everything and we're going to lay off everything and we're going to lay off all these people and we're going to hire all these people and we're going to hire all these people and we're going to hire all these computer programmers and d and all these computer programmers and d and all these computer programmers and d and now they're not able to sell anything now they're not able to sell anything now they're not able to sell anything and so a lot of the talk right now is and so a lot of the talk right now is and so a lot of the talk right now is everybody but Tesla is collapsing as far everybody but Tesla is collapsing as far everybody but Tesla is collapsing as far as the EV Market just because they can't as the EV Market just because they can't as the EV Market just because they can't sell them fast enough but the what's the sell them fast enough but the what's the sell them fast enough but the what's the number one selling car in the US it's number one selling car in the US it's number one selling car in the US it's Tesla so there is demand if you do it Tesla so there is demand if you do it Tesla so there is demand if you do it right demand the problem is these metal right demand the problem is these metal right demand the problem is these metal bender car companies and their dealer bender car companies and their dealer bender car companies and their dealer networks no offense to anyone who owns a networks no offense to anyone who owns a networks no offense to anyone who owns a dealership but this whole model is kind dealership but this whole model is kind dealership but this whole model is kind of faka I mean it's crazy so you know of faka I mean it's crazy so you know of faka I mean it's crazy so you know they can't do software they can't update

they can't do software they can't update they can't do software they can't update these what was it the Chevy Blazer it's these what was it the Chevy Blazer it's these what was it the Chevy Blazer it's got like 24 different errors and stuff I got like 24 different errors and stuff I got like 24 different errors and stuff I mean come on I mean like this is Basics mean come on I mean like this is Basics mean come on I mean like this is Basics if they don't turn into software if they don't turn into software if they don't turn into software companies they're not going to survive companies they're not going to survive companies they're not going to survive and maybe they shouldn't survive and one and maybe they shouldn't survive and one and maybe they shouldn't survive and one of the other things that I heard on some of the other things that I heard on some of the other things that I heard on some some broadcast was with the latest some broadcast was with the latest some broadcast was with the latest UAW UAW UAW contract and the job protection issues contract and the job protection issues contract and the job protection issues that they have that won't happen unless that they have that won't happen unless that they have that won't happen unless it's you know run by Fuel I mean not not it's you know run by Fuel I mean not not it's you know run by Fuel I mean not not EV uh you can't meet those obligations EV uh you can't meet those obligations EV uh you can't meet those obligations to yeah another thing we probably talked to yeah another thing we probably talked to yeah another thing we probably talked about is the notion of have you gone to about is the notion of have you gone to about is the notion of have you gone to rent a car at the rent a car at the rent a car at the airport and there's it's hard to get a airport and there's it's hard to get a airport and there's it's hard to get a car these days I noticed and but then car these days I noticed and but then car these days I noticed and but then they go oh but we'll give you a deal on they go oh but we'll give you a deal on they go oh but we'll give you a deal on these EVs and they got all these EVS these EVs and they got all these EVS these EVs and they got all these EVS from different makers and no one will from different makers and no one will from different makers and no one will rent them because and I think probably rent them because and I think probably rent them because and I think probably has because it's still the 8020 or the has because it's still the 8020 or the has because it's still the 8020 or the 991 rule of the average person who's 991 rule of the average person who's 991 rule of the average person who's runting a car isn't an EV owner and they runting a car isn't an EV owner and they runting a car isn't an EV owner and they they're paralyzed they don't know what they're paralyzed they don't know what they're paralyzed they don't know what to do with it it's like oh crap if I run to do with it it's like oh crap if I run to do with it it's like oh crap if I run an EV from the airport and I'm going to an EV from the airport and I'm going to an EV from the airport and I'm going to be around for a week in my this other be around for a week in my this other be around for a week in my this other city I don't even know what to do no and city I don't even know what to do no and city I don't even know what to do no and so now you're you're seeing this at car so now you're you're seeing this at car so now you're you're seeing this at car companies they're having to deeply companies they're having to deeply companies they're having to deeply discount the most high-end EVS CU they discount the most high-end EVS CU they discount the most high-end EVS CU they can't no one will take them because the can't no one will take them because the can't no one will take them because the average I think it's education say that average I think it's education say that average I think it's education say that Rob I was I was I stayed at the Weston Rob I was I was I stayed at the Weston Rob I was I was I stayed at the Weston in Copley Square and uh people were in Copley Square and uh people were in Copley Square and uh people were pulling in the valet with their cars and

pulling in the valet with their cars and pulling in the valet with their cars and some of them were EVs and they would ask some of them were EVs and they would ask some of them were EVs and they would ask the valet guy you know I there was the valet guy you know I there was the valet guy you know I there was nowhere on the Weston compley website nowhere on the Weston compley website nowhere on the Weston compley website that said that you had n charging in that said that you had n charging in that said that you had n charging in valet so there's a lot of that kind of valet so there's a lot of that kind of valet so there's a lot of that kind of stuff going because I had no fre I would stuff going because I had no fre I would stuff going because I had no fre I would have the Tesla if I would have known have the Tesla if I would have known have the Tesla if I would have known that I could every night when I pass the that I could every night when I pass the that I could every night when I pass the B by they plug me in right versus you B by they plug me in right versus you B by they plug me in right versus you know versus having to sit a supercharger know versus having to sit a supercharger know versus having to sit a supercharger in wallam for you know 27 minutes you in wallam for you know 27 minutes you in wallam for you know 27 minutes you know I mean you just you're right I know I mean you just you're right I know I mean you just you're right I think it's a lack of information the think it's a lack of information the think it's a lack of information the infrastructure needs to get better infrastructure needs to get better infrastructure needs to get better people need to get more educated but people need to get more educated but people need to get more educated but it's inevitable I mean you know it's it's inevitable I mean you know it's it's inevitable I mean you know it's it's just a matter of when it's going to it's just a matter of when it's going to it's just a matter of when it's going to happen but I can't imagine we're going happen but I can't imagine we're going happen but I can't imagine we're going to abandon the you know basically the to abandon the you know basically the to abandon the you know basically the companies that can figure it out like companies that can figure it out like companies that can figure it out like Tesla will do well oh yeah and other Tesla will do well oh yeah and other Tesla will do well oh yeah and other companies that will struggle will fail companies that will struggle will fail companies that will struggle will fail unfortunately that's kind of the way unfortunately that's kind of the way unfortunately that's kind of the way it's supposed to work right I mean maybe it's supposed to work right I mean maybe it's supposed to work right I mean maybe there's even room my next door neighbor there's even room my next door neighbor there's even room my next door neighbor has got a rivan and everybody's has got a rivan and everybody's has got a rivan and everybody's got rivan in the Boston area this got rivan in the Boston area this got rivan in the Boston area this fantastic fantastically looking vehicles fantastic fantastically looking vehicles fantastic fantastically looking vehicles and so you know but isn't the company and so you know but isn't the company and so you know but isn't the company struggling mightily rivan apparently struggling mightily rivan apparently struggling mightily rivan apparently they are losing money on everyone but um they are losing money on everyone but um they are losing money on everyone but um they're making it up in volume so that's they're making it up in volume so that's they're making it up in volume so that's good you know back to the car dealership good you know back to the car dealership good you know back to the car dealership what do you mean they're making it up on what do you mean they're making it up on what do you mean they're making it up on volume that means that they're volume that means that they're volume that means that they're accelerating their accelerating their accelerating their losses what they say is that when they losses what they say is that when they losses what they say is that when they get to scale as they produce more their get to scale as they produce more their get to scale as they produce more their cost to produce will come down and then cost to produce will come down and then cost to produce will come down and then therefore they will make money on the it therefore they will make money on the it therefore they will make money on the it depends yeah well I mean it's a better

depends yeah well I mean it's a better depends yeah well I mean it's a better approach but then it it's different from approach but then it it's different from approach but then it it's different from from Tesla's approach which you know from Tesla's approach which you know from Tesla's approach which you know they weren't the first to come out with they weren't the first to come out with they weren't the first to come out with the EV right they just did it the right the EV right they just did it the right the EV right they just did it the right way which is don't start at the bottom way which is don't start at the bottom way which is don't start at the bottom right start at the top something really right start at the top something really right start at the top something really expensive that can convince certain expensive that can convince certain expensive that can convince certain markets a niche market that has a crap markets a niche market that has a crap markets a niche market that has a crap ton of money that if you buy this thing ton of money that if you buy this thing ton of money that if you buy this thing it it's going to kick ass in a certain it it's going to kick ass in a certain it it's going to kick ass in a certain Dimension maybe it's not range but man Dimension maybe it's not range but man Dimension maybe it's not range but man it accelerates really fast get that yeah it accelerates really fast get that yeah it accelerates really fast get that yeah you can get that freaking Porsche you can get that freaking Porsche you can get that freaking Porsche experience for something that's experience for something that's experience for something that's like Tesla nothing more exciting to see like Tesla nothing more exciting to see like Tesla nothing more exciting to see a soccer mom in her Tesla X drag racing a soccer mom in her Tesla X drag racing a soccer mom in her Tesla X drag racing a Lamborghini and smoking it and like take that Lambo well you it and like take that Lambo well you know McLaren so you know when I was at know McLaren so you know when I was at know McLaren so you know when I was at um when I was at the wind they have like um when I was at the wind they have like um when I was at the wind they have like a whole McLaren Boutique right and when a whole McLaren Boutique right and when a whole McLaren Boutique right and when you go to the high-end one which is like you go to the high-end one which is like you go to the high-end one which is like a a $2.5 million vehicle highend semi a a $2.5 million vehicle highend semi a a $2.5 million vehicle highend semi electric yeah and I said well what do electric yeah and I said well what do electric yeah and I said well what do you use the electric for then he goes um you use the electric for then he goes um you use the electric for then he goes um for acceleration for acceleration for acceleration [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] because the electric motors have that because the electric motors have that because the electric motors have that torque right that and the only way that torque right that and the only way that torque right that and the only way that McLaren can keep up with a a an electric McLaren can keep up with a a an electric McLaren can keep up with a a an electric now nowadays a high-end electric sports now nowadays a high-end electric sports now nowadays a high-end electric sports configured electric is you have to have configured electric is you have to have configured electric is you have to have an electric boost engine yeah I think it an electric boost engine yeah I think it an electric boost engine yeah I think it all gets back to software you have to

all gets back to software you have to all gets back to software you have to every company in 2024 needs to be a good every company in 2024 needs to be a good every company in 2024 needs to be a good software company they need to soft software company they need to soft software company they need to soft serious need to go serious need to go serious need to go analog need to be sof it's all software analog need to be sof it's all software analog need to be sof it's all software look at the Volkswagen look at the Volkswagen look at the Volkswagen id4 I mean all these disasters in these id4 I mean all these disasters in these id4 I mean all these disasters in these cars are all because of software it's cars are all because of software it's cars are all because of software it's all because of software yeah you're all because of software yeah you're all because of software yeah you're right you're absolutely right actually right you're absolutely right actually right you're absolutely right actually yeah but the systems too cuz you know yeah but the systems too cuz you know yeah but the systems too cuz you know like so I think one of the things that like so I think one of the things that like so I think one of the things that in 2023 that I noticed is you know we in 2023 that I noticed is you know we in 2023 that I noticed is you know we came into the year with a lot of came into the year with a lot of came into the year with a lot of excitement about sdv you know software excitement about sdv you know software excitement about sdv you know software defined vehicle and the re architecting defined vehicle and the re architecting defined vehicle and the re architecting of the vehicle and then the excitement of the vehicle and then the excitement of the vehicle and then the excitement just you know people start to realize just you know people start to realize just you know people start to realize this is a really long game and um this is a really long game and um this is a really long game and um companies that are in it uh aren't going companies that are in it uh aren't going companies that are in it uh aren't going to be selling or selling into level five to be selling or selling into level five to be selling or selling into level five autonomous vehicles anytime soon and autonomous vehicles anytime soon and autonomous vehicles anytime soon and that's something that I definitely that's something that I definitely that's something that I definitely notied kind of so so letter I know that notied kind of so so letter I know that notied kind of so so letter I know that Rob Rob waited all year to get something Rob Rob waited all year to get something Rob Rob waited all year to get something that he wanted as a gift I mean from a that he wanted as a gift I mean from a that he wanted as a gift I mean from a technology standpoint what did you not technology standpoint what did you not technology standpoint what did you not buy in 23 that you wish you would have buy in 23 that you wish you would have buy in 23 that you wish you would have bought from a technology bought from a technology bought from a technology standpoint standpoint standpoint wow I don't wow I don't wow I don't know yeah I'm glad I got my ultra 2 know yeah I'm glad I got my ultra 2 know yeah I'm glad I got my ultra 2 watch before they sto selling it there watch before they sto selling it there watch before they sto selling it there you go yeah I'm amazed at how much you go yeah I'm amazed at how much you go yeah I'm amazed at how much publicity that has gotten in the last publicity that has gotten in the last publicity that has gotten in the last couple days yeah yeah a lot of

couple days yeah yeah a lot of couple days yeah yeah a lot of publicity yeah you know I'm not really publicity yeah you know I'm not really publicity yeah you know I'm not really sure that this apple 15 Pro Max is any sure that this apple 15 Pro Max is any sure that this apple 15 Pro Max is any different than the 14 or the 13 different than the 14 or the 13 different than the 14 or the 13 you wrote about that yeah you know I you wrote about that yeah you know I you wrote about that yeah you know I don't don't don't know I I was trying to think about it's know I I was trying to think about it's know I I was trying to think about it's got titanium oh there you go camera dude got titanium oh there you go camera dude got titanium oh there you go camera dude how many how many kids mine that to get how many how many kids mine that to get how many how many kids mine that to get that titanium a lot of kids were put to that titanium a lot of kids were put to that titanium a lot of kids were put to work to make this beautiful thing so I I work to make this beautiful thing so I I work to make this beautiful thing so I I don't know Leonard I was thinking about don't know Leonard I was thinking about don't know Leonard I was thinking about that the other day I was like going what that the other day I was like going what that the other day I was like going what did I not buy this year from a high tech did I not buy this year from a high tech did I not buy this year from a high tech standpoint that I really should have standpoint that I really should have standpoint that I really should have wanted to buy I mean I just think I I I wanted to buy I mean I just think I I I wanted to buy I mean I just think I I I mean you know what my answer to that is mean you know what my answer to that is mean you know what my answer to that is it's it's it's like if you really wanted like if you really wanted like if you really wanted it you would have gotten it you know I it you would have gotten it you know I it you would have gotten it you know I couldn't think of anything I really I couldn't think of anything I really I couldn't think of anything I really I mean mean mean aipc there you go oh is that aipc there you go oh is that aipc there you go oh is that available yeah um actually uh AMD was available yeah um actually uh AMD was available yeah um actually uh AMD was selling they had their first chip and selling they had their first chip and selling they had their first chip and they were throwing them into they're they were throwing them into they're they were throwing them into they're having them um you know sold into their having them um you know sold into their having them um you know sold into their uh into quote unquote AIP PCS at uh into quote unquote AIP PCS at uh into quote unquote AIP PCS at the had be a hot topic the had be a hot topic the had be a hot topic attive of AMD at a at a Christmas party attive of AMD at a at a Christmas party attive of AMD at a at a Christmas party this past week in Boston and man this past week in Boston and man this past week in Boston and man they the things that were being said

they the things that were being said they the things that were being said about cyber security and and finding AMD about cyber security and and finding AMD about cyber security and and finding AMD ships in countries where they never were ships in countries where they never were ships in countries where they never were shipped in the first place there's so shipped in the first place there's so shipped in the first place there's so many new having to deal with it's many new having to deal with it's many new having to deal with it's un like people were stealing shipments un like people were stealing shipments un like people were stealing shipments of refrigerators and freezers and of refrigerators and freezers and of refrigerators and freezers and appliances that had AMD chips in it that appliances that had AMD chips in it that appliances that had AMD chips in it that they couldn't find in this country and they couldn't find in this country and they couldn't find in this country and they would steal the containers of them they would steal the containers of them they would steal the containers of them and open them up and just take the chips and open them up and just take the chips and open them up and just take the chips out yeah well that's good so that's that out yeah well that's good so that's that out yeah well that's good so that's that means AMD is a hot buy for 2024 stocks I means AMD is a hot buy for 2024 stocks I means AMD is a hot buy for 2024 stocks I mean you heard it here that's a Buy mean you heard it here that's a Buy mean you heard it here that's a Buy Signal yeah remember don't take Signal yeah remember don't take Signal yeah remember don't take investment advice take us seriously at investment advice take us seriously at investment advice take us seriously at your own risk exactly is that like the your own risk exactly is that like the your own risk exactly is that like the Jim Kramer bye bye bye bye Jim Kramer bye bye bye bye Jim Kramer bye bye bye bye yeah a lot of demand for AMD like you yeah a lot of demand for AMD like you yeah a lot of demand for AMD like you you heard it here first yeah yeah well you heard it here first yeah yeah well you heard it here first yeah yeah well um yeah I mean and that that fuels the um yeah I mean and that that fuels the um yeah I mean and that that fuels the une economy right or what the hell that une economy right or what the hell that une economy right or what the hell that is does exactly and you know oh and is does exactly and you know oh and is does exactly and you know oh and there's the other thing that the whole there's the other thing that the whole there's the other thing that the whole chip situ oh yeah the other thing the chip situ oh yeah the other thing the chip situ oh yeah the other thing the chip situation with China how they're I chip situation with China how they're I chip situation with China how they're I mean they're I know um you know they mean they're I know um you know they mean they're I know um you know they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're innovating they're innovating they're innovating they're innovating they're innovating they're innovating they're they're working all the different they're working all the different they're working all the different vectors that I think um the US vectors that I think um the US vectors that I think um the US regulators and the government hasn't regulators and the government hasn't regulators and the government hasn't thought of just because there is a there thought of just because there is a there thought of just because there is a there is a certain road map and path that the

is a certain road map and path that the is a certain road map and path that the you know let's call it U the previous you know let's call it U the previous you know let's call it U the previous Global regime was on right and it was Global regime was on right and it was Global regime was on right and it was all about how do we get to the next uh all about how do we get to the next uh all about how do we get to the next uh node uh and uh scale that out you know node uh and uh scale that out you know node uh and uh scale that out you know ramp that up so you know continuing ramp that up so you know continuing ramp that up so you know continuing More's law yeah but yeah but look More's law yeah but yeah but look More's law yeah but yeah but look at the announcements over the last at the announcements over the last at the announcements over the last couple weeks I was just reading in couple weeks I was just reading in couple weeks I was just reading in Forbes of the uh you know we had the Forbes of the uh you know we had the Forbes of the uh you know we had the chips act enabled you know for billions chips act enabled you know for billions chips act enabled you know for billions of dollars and the government's given of dollars and the government's given of dollars and the government's given out $65 million so far and we had two of out $65 million so far and we had two of out $65 million so far and we had two of the largest chip the largest chip the largest chip manufacturers or postpone their new manufacturers or postpone their new manufacturers or postpone their new factories because the government factories because the government factories because the government wouldn't sign a wouldn't sign a wouldn't sign a check not well that's just typical check not well that's just typical check not well that's just typical bureaucratic execution I understand but bureaucratic execution I understand but bureaucratic execution I understand but how stupid is that well you know so the how stupid is that well you know so the how stupid is that well you know so the the what Leonard was talking about is the what Leonard was talking about is the what Leonard was talking about is China is going to continue to evolve and China is going to continue to evolve and China is going to continue to evolve and uh create their own chip business but I uh create their own chip business but I uh create their own chip business but I think with the thing that everyone came think with the thing that everyone came think with the thing that everyone came to the realization in 2023 and maybe to the realization in 2023 and maybe to the realization in 2023 and maybe sooner but the idea over the past sooner but the idea over the past sooner but the idea over the past decades probably since the 70s was that decades probably since the 70s was that decades probably since the 70s was that we're g you know the US would engage we're g you know the US would engage we're g you know the US would engage with China and you know do all this with China and you know do all this with China and you know do all this Cooperative stuff with them and build Cooperative stuff with them and build Cooperative stuff with them and build the economy together and then eventually the economy together and then eventually the economy together and then eventually they turn into Americans you know and it they turn into Americans you know and it they turn into Americans you know and it turns out like that was a really bad turns out like that was a really bad turns out like that was a really bad idea like it does work out did it idea like it does work out did it idea like it does work out did it they're not turning into Americans and they're not turning into Americans and they're not turning into Americans and so now everyone's like I'm freaking out so now everyone's like I'm freaking out so now everyone's like I'm freaking out like okay wait a minute they're still an like okay wait a minute they're still an like okay wait a minute they're still an authoritarian regime blah blah blah so authoritarian regime blah blah blah so authoritarian regime blah blah blah so let them go do whatever they need to do let them go do whatever they need to do let them go do whatever they need to do and then then the West will do what it and then then the West will do what it and then then the West will do what it needs to do and we're going to have this

needs to do and we're going to have this needs to do and we're going to have this path of you know Innovation that's going path of you know Innovation that's going path of you know Innovation that's going to be I think it kind of worked because to be I think it kind of worked because to be I think it kind of worked because we had a d named Jack ma right um you we had a d named Jack ma right um you we had a d named Jack ma right um you know roming around and at some point he know roming around and at some point he know roming around and at some point he was yeah yeah maybe the Chinese uh was yeah yeah maybe the Chinese uh was yeah yeah maybe the Chinese uh government realized hey this guy is a government realized hey this guy is a government realized hey this guy is a little too American he's a little too little too American he's a little too little too American he's a little too American we're down know going around American we're down know going around American we're down know going around the world kind of rapping and uh hey we the world kind of rapping and uh hey we the world kind of rapping and uh hey we got to we got to thr back on that so got to we got to thr back on that so got to we got to thr back on that so yeah maybe it did work and we we might yeah maybe it did work and we we might yeah maybe it did work and we we might have influenced its undoing you know um have influenced its undoing you know um have influenced its undoing you know um never know I don't know all we know all never know I don't know all we know all never know I don't know all we know all I know is they there there's a very big I know is they there there's a very big I know is they there there's a very big Global customer that's not going to be Global customer that's not going to be Global customer that's not going to be buying from us buying from us buying from us companies or Swedish companies or companies or Swedish companies or companies or Swedish companies or Swedish comp Swedish comp Swedish comp oh when I was at Eric when I was at Eric oh when I was at Eric when I was at Eric oh when I was at Eric when I was at Eric China used to be one of our biggest China used to be one of our biggest China used to be one of our biggest customers and then they weren't and then customers and then they weren't and then customers and then they weren't and then all of a sudden while I was there they all of a sudden while I was there they all of a sudden while I was there they stopped being you know yeah no that'll stopped being you know yeah no that'll stopped being you know yeah no that'll definitely be a reset on uh business definitely be a reset on uh business definitely be a reset on uh business plans for a lot of companies that were plans for a lot of companies that were plans for a lot of companies that were highly dependent on China it'll be highly dependent on China it'll be highly dependent on China it'll be interesting to see how it affects Apple interesting to see how it affects Apple interesting to see how it affects Apple too in 202 you know I mean a lot of this too in 202 you know I mean a lot of this too in 202 you know I mean a lot of this there's the unintended consequences there's the unintended consequences there's the unintended consequences there's policy that the US has towards there's policy that the US has towards there's policy that the US has towards China but it turns out it affected other China but it turns out it affected other China but it turns out it affected other countries and other uh companies so when countries and other uh companies so when countries and other uh companies so when when when when Trump you know put the hammer down on Trump you know put the hammer down on Trump you know put the hammer down on China and stuff like that band Huawei China and stuff like that band Huawei China and stuff like that band Huawei and all that kind of stuff it started to

and all that kind of stuff it started to and all that kind of stuff it started to have a ripple effect for us at Ericson have a ripple effect for us at Ericson have a ripple effect for us at Ericson and Sweden and um you know it led to and Sweden and um you know it led to and Sweden and um you know it led to weird conversations it led to weird conversations it led to weird conversations it led to um the CEO borer making a comment cuz um the CEO borer making a comment cuz um the CEO borer making a comment cuz you know if you'll remember there was you know if you'll remember there was you know if you'll remember there was the the idea of well all of the American the the idea of well all of the American the the idea of well all of the American Allies we need you to also ban all this Allies we need you to also ban all this Allies we need you to also ban all this stuff from China and replace the stuff from China and replace the stuff from China and replace the primarily Huawei for networks and that primarily Huawei for networks and that primarily Huawei for networks and that kind of stuff right and um and then well kind of stuff right and um and then well kind of stuff right and um and then well all of a sudden all these countries all of a sudden all these countries all of a sudden all these countries found themselves in a weird situation um found themselves in a weird situation um found themselves in a weird situation um they're like okay we're g to go but as they're like okay we're g to go but as they're like okay we're g to go but as soon as Sweden said we're going to do soon as Sweden said we're going to do soon as Sweden said we're going to do what America says to do all of a sudden what America says to do all of a sudden what America says to do all of a sudden well China's like well then we're going well China's like well then we're going well China's like well then we're going to stop buying Ericson gear to build to stop buying Ericson gear to build to stop buying Ericson gear to build networks and we're just going to use networks and we're just going to use networks and we're just going to use wway gear and I remember the CEO of wway gear and I remember the CEO of wway gear and I remember the CEO of Ericson Ericson Ericson borer demanding to the prime minister or borer demanding to the prime minister or borer demanding to the prime minister or whatever of the king of whatever of the king of whatever of the king of Sweden we will Ericson will leave Sweden Sweden we will Ericson will leave Sweden Sweden we will Ericson will leave Sweden and we'll move to America we'll have to and we'll move to America we'll have to and we'll move to America we'll have to move somewhere else if you don't change move somewhere else if you don't change move somewhere else if you don't change your policy cuz you're about to just your policy cuz you're about to just your policy cuz you're about to just crater our business yeah well all very crater our business yeah well all very crater our business yeah well all very interconnected it's hard to and I think interconnected it's hard to and I think interconnected it's hard to and I think that's the takeaway is the world is very that's the takeaway is the world is very that's the takeaway is the world is very interconnected and there's Ripple interconnected and there's Ripple interconnected and there's Ripple effects all over the place yeah mean effects all over the place yeah mean effects all over the place yeah mean that is and and it's super complicated that is and and it's super complicated that is and and it's super complicated but you the key word from Rob Tiffany but you the key word from Rob Tiffany but you the key word from Rob Tiffany unintended consequences right is if you unintended consequences right is if you unintended consequences right is if you don't really think if you actually if don't really think if you actually if don't really think if you actually if you think about this two politically

you think about this two politically you think about this two politically geopolitically from a a one you know one geopolitically from a a one you know one geopolitically from a a one you know one side perspective then you definitely side perspective then you definitely side perspective then you definitely don't see the situation you know it's don't see the situation you know it's don't see the situation you know it's like any kind of like any kind of like any kind of military uh you know like um planning or military uh you know like um planning or military uh you know like um planning or strategy you have to have you have to strategy you have to have you have to strategy you have to have you have to know what your strengths are and what know what your strengths are and what know what your strengths are and what the opponents or the enemy strengths are the opponents or the enemy strengths are the opponents or the enemy strengths are and if you get the enemy wrong and you and if you get the enemy wrong and you and if you get the enemy wrong and you don't really see the the battlefield don't really see the the battlefield don't really see the the battlefield with Clarity it's just all fogged up or with Clarity it's just all fogged up or with Clarity it's just all fogged up or you have a bunch of generals who don't you have a bunch of generals who don't you have a bunch of generals who don't know what they're doing and making know what they're doing and making know what they're doing and making decisions and plans decisions and plans decisions and plans then that's that's why if anybody who's then that's that's why if anybody who's then that's that's why if anybody who's in a serious large business has to take in a serious large business has to take in a serious large business has to take geopolitics into account every geopolitics into account every geopolitics into account every geopolitics is is a key topic yeah got geopolitics is is a key topic yeah got geopolitics is is a key topic yeah got to be part of everyone's strategy yeah to be part of everyone's strategy yeah to be part of everyone's strategy yeah and to st's point it's going to help us and to st's point it's going to help us and to st's point it's going to help us all be very busy in 2024 helping all be very busy in 2024 helping all be very busy in 2024 helping companies figure this stuff out soe yeah companies figure this stuff out soe yeah companies figure this stuff out soe yeah so confused people so confused people so confused people absolutely confuse people good for absolutely confuse people good for absolutely confuse people good for business that's right business not maybe business that's right business not maybe business that's right business not maybe good for good for good for mankind not good for man very good uh mankind not good for man very good uh mankind not good for man very good uh YouTube podcast either though or is or YouTube podcast either though or is or YouTube podcast either though or is or is a as an old friend told me when I in is a as an old friend told me when I in is a as an old friend told me when I in the Consulting business where there's the Consulting business where there's the Consulting business where there's mystery there's mystery there's mystery there's margin I like margin I like margin I like that use that that use that that use that line yeah um that is line yeah um that is line yeah um that is true all right all right I think we made

true all right all right I think we made true all right all right I think we made it to the end of the show oh my gosh I it to the end of the show oh my gosh I it to the end of the show oh my gosh I don't even know what this so this is a don't even know what this so this is a don't even know what this so this is a really weird one right I can't wait to really weird one right I can't wait to really weird one right I can't wait to hear your description what to read your hear your description what to read your hear your description what to read your description about this existential uh it description about this existential uh it description about this existential uh it is existential well but that's who we is existential well but that's who we is existential well but that's who we are we all made it through the kobachi are we all made it through the kobachi are we all made it through the kobachi Maru of December and we've come out to Maru of December and we've come out to Maru of December and we've come out to the other side and we're very the other side and we're very the other side and we're very existential and now we talk about the existential and now we talk about the existential and now we talk about the only way to win the kobashi Maru as you only way to win the kobashi Maru as you only way to win the kobashi Maru as you know is to not play so yeah I just know is to not play so yeah I just know is to not play so yeah I just changed the rules of the test yeah well changed the rules of the test yeah well changed the rules of the test yeah well I got accommodation for original think I got accommodation for original think I got accommodation for original think yeah it's exactly that you Chang the yeah it's exactly that you Chang the yeah it's exactly that you Chang the rules rules rules that's that's so brilliant but um yeah that's that's so brilliant but um yeah that's that's so brilliant but um yeah William sh next next week in the New William sh next next week in the New William sh next next week in the New Year Year Year 20124 jeez four in a 20124 jeez four in a 20124 jeez four in a four um we'll be providing our four um we'll be providing our four um we'll be providing our predictions for that year this year we predictions for that year this year we predictions for that year this year we just provide a really recap depressing just provide a really recap depressing just provide a really recap depressing recap of 2023 cuz I think the only two recap of 2023 cuz I think the only two recap of 2023 cuz I think the only two people in the world that were really people in the world that were really people in the world that were really really happy this year or thought it was really happy this year or thought it was really happy this year or thought it was a great year Jensen hang and s Nella a great year Jensen hang and s Nella a great year Jensen hang and s Nella true I wrote a lot of software in 2024 true I wrote a lot of software in 2024 true I wrote a lot of software in 2024 Tim Cook yeah maybe lot of presentence Tim Cook yeah maybe lot of presentence Tim Cook yeah maybe lot of presentence under their trees this year I'm sure under their trees this year I'm sure under their trees this year I'm sure yeah yeah all right who wants to take us yeah yeah all right who wants to take us yeah yeah all right who wants to take us out the final episode of the year and I out the final episode of the year and I out the final episode of the year and I think the rule has to be someone who's think the rule has to be someone who's think the rule has to be someone who's wearing one of these yeah not me I think wearing one of these yeah not me I think wearing one of these yeah not me I think it's Pete I think it's Pete yeah you do it's Pete I think it's Pete yeah you do it's Pete I think it's Pete yeah you do it okay let's see I haven't done this it okay let's see I haven't done this it okay let's see I haven't done this before so so uh so how do we do this before so so uh so how do we do this before so so uh so how do we do this again however you like well

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