IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 156 - 3 years of IoT Coffee Talk!

so yeah so yeah we got it we got it we got it we were all over the place last week we were all over the place last week we were all over the place last week yeah play some Rhythm just Bob your head for play some Rhythm just Bob your head for a little while just pretend just pretend awesome okay yeah that was Taylor dude awesome okay yeah that was Taylor dude awesome okay yeah that was Taylor dude all right so we're recording baby all right so we're recording baby all right so we're recording baby Leonard you kick us off Leonard you kick us off Leonard you kick us off look at the intro look at the intro look at the intro s where you are and everything recording we're recording now oh okay recording we're recording now oh okay okay hey guys what's up I'm in Boston okay hey guys what's up I'm in Boston okay hey guys what's up I'm in Boston here uh for ptc's live Works here uh for ptc's live Works here uh for ptc's live Works 2023 2023 2023 and uh yeah it's it's happening and you and uh yeah it's it's happening and you and uh yeah it's it's happening and you know they haven't had a live event they know they haven't had a live event they know they haven't had a live event they haven't had this event in four years haven't had this event in four years haven't had this event in four years so this is the first time in four years so this is the first time in four years so this is the first time in four years and uh it's pretty packed yeah unpacked and uh it's pretty packed yeah unpacked and uh it's pretty packed yeah unpacked yeah you can't tell right now because yeah you can't tell right now because yeah you can't tell right now because everyone's inside but you know maybe everyone's inside but you know maybe everyone's inside but you know maybe I'll walk around as we're we're chatting I'll walk around as we're we're chatting I'll walk around as we're we're chatting but how are you guys doing good good are but how are you guys doing good good are but how are you guys doing good good are you seeing a lot of my old friends from you seeing a lot of my old friends from you seeing a lot of my old friends from Rockwell there uh yes you know there's a Rockwell there uh yes you know there's a Rockwell there uh yes you know there's a lot of talk about Rockwell at this event lot of talk about Rockwell at this event lot of talk about Rockwell at this event but uh hey before we kick things off but uh hey before we kick things off but uh hey before we kick things off um I wanna I wanna thank all our um I wanna I wanna thank all our um I wanna I wanna thank all our listeners the one or two or three people listeners the one or two or three people listeners the one or two or three people who listen uh

who listen uh who listen uh you know thanks this is this is our you know thanks this is this is our you know thanks this is this is our third year anniversary can you believe third year anniversary can you believe third year anniversary can you believe that we've been doing this for three that we've been doing this for three that we've been doing this for three years so this is the third year years so this is the third year years so this is the third year anniversary of our show so wow yeah so anniversary of our show so wow yeah so anniversary of our show so wow yeah so is that cool yeah that's awesome quite is that cool yeah that's awesome quite is that cool yeah that's awesome quite an accomplishment right I know we've an accomplishment right I know we've an accomplishment right I know we've been at it for a while for sure yeah I'm been at it for a while for sure yeah I'm been at it for a while for sure yeah I'm glad we stuck with it all this time glad we stuck with it all this time glad we stuck with it all this time yeah and uh you know what I I like any yeah and uh you know what I I like any yeah and uh you know what I I like any other conference I keep bumping into other conference I keep bumping into other conference I keep bumping into people and going hey yeah people and going hey yeah people and going hey yeah coffee coffee talk right with Rob and uh coffee coffee talk right with Rob and uh coffee coffee talk right with Rob and uh you know you know you know uh you guys talk a bunch of crap yeah I uh you guys talk a bunch of crap yeah I uh you guys talk a bunch of crap yeah I know about your show I said well do you know about your show I said well do you know about your show I said well do you watch the entire episode I don't know watch the entire episode I don't know watch the entire episode I don't know but you know I know but you know I know but you know I know yeah yeah yeah you know um when I was I was in Vegas you know um when I was I was in Vegas you know um when I was I was in Vegas what I don't know a week or two ago with what I don't know a week or two ago with what I don't know a week or two ago with Ryan Prosser from Barry and you know he Ryan Prosser from Barry and you know he Ryan Prosser from Barry and you know he does his uh over-the-air podcast and he does his uh over-the-air podcast and he does his uh over-the-air podcast and he was right he had his iPhone up showing was right he had his iPhone up showing was right he had his iPhone up showing all the podcasts and he was complaining all the podcasts and he was complaining all the podcasts and he was complaining that his you know he thought he had the that his you know he thought he had the that his you know he thought he had the best number one podcast for iot best number one podcast for iot best number one podcast for iot and he was like oh my God I'm falling and he was like oh my God I'm falling and he was like oh my God I'm falling behind to you guys behind to you guys behind to you guys um I mean no doubt Stacy higginbotham's um I mean no doubt Stacy higginbotham's um I mean no doubt Stacy higginbotham's iot podcast is still number one uh yeah iot podcast is still number one uh yeah iot podcast is still number one uh yeah on that thing forever but I think but I on that thing forever but I think but I on that thing forever but I think but I think we're number two I was are you

think we're number two I was are you think we're number two I was are you serious serious serious yeah I mean because basically Ryan has yeah I mean because basically Ryan has yeah I mean because basically Ryan has all the iot podcasts listed in his all the iot podcasts listed in his all the iot podcasts listed in his library in the panel on the iPhone and library in the panel on the iPhone and library in the panel on the iPhone and he was noticing that we just like been he was noticing that we just like been he was noticing that we just like been moving up and we're really so it looks moving up and we're really so it looks moving up and we're really so it looks like we're right behind Stacy so uh you like we're right behind Stacy so uh you like we're right behind Stacy so uh you know oh that's incredible know oh that's incredible know oh that's incredible congratulations to us yeah consistency congratulations to us yeah consistency congratulations to us yeah consistency pays off a little intelligence maybe but lots of fun yeah maybe and a whole but lots of fun yeah maybe and a whole bunch of silliness and uh and Bad bunch of silliness and uh and Bad bunch of silliness and uh and Bad karaoke exactly and I'm sure I'm going karaoke exactly and I'm sure I'm going karaoke exactly and I'm sure I'm going down into the example down into the example down into the example exactly exactly exactly I'm sure you'll just start breaking up I'm sure you'll just start breaking up I'm sure you'll just start breaking up the deeper you get into that building the deeper you get into that building the deeper you get into that building yeah okay so keep talking about how yeah okay so keep talking about how yeah okay so keep talking about how great our show is absolutely it looks great our show is absolutely it looks great our show is absolutely it looks like that's a piano over to the right of like that's a piano over to the right of like that's a piano over to the right of you which doesn't make sense anyway you which doesn't make sense anyway you which doesn't make sense anyway it really doesn't so maybe PTC was smart it really doesn't so maybe PTC was smart it really doesn't so maybe PTC was smart and has an in-building dad system to and has an in-building dad system to and has an in-building dad system to beam cellular ins deep inside the beam cellular ins deep inside the beam cellular ins deep inside the building no probably not no no actually building no probably not no no actually building no probably not no no actually you know what's really weird I just you know what's really weird I just you know what's really weird I just talked to Rick and we were talking about talked to Rick and we were talking about talked to Rick and we were talking about XR and why it hasn't really taken off an XR and why it hasn't really taken off an XR and why it hasn't really taken off an industrial and he decided it's because industrial and he decided it's because industrial and he decided it's because of the application and we are software I of the application and we are software I of the application and we are software I mean the software and the hardware I

mean the software and the hardware I mean the software and the hardware I said no and a lot of it has to do with said no and a lot of it has to do with said no and a lot of it has to do with the connectivity the connectivity the connectivity is an issue because if you're doing a is an issue because if you're doing a is an issue because if you're doing a lot of these remote remote operations or lot of these remote remote operations or lot of these remote remote operations or yeah you know remote uh uh you know yeah you know remote uh uh you know yeah you know remote uh uh you know trying to enable these remote scenarios trying to enable these remote scenarios trying to enable these remote scenarios you have to have connectivity in a lot you have to have connectivity in a lot you have to have connectivity in a lot of these scenarios it assumes that of these scenarios it assumes that of these scenarios it assumes that you're in a in a remote area right it's you're in a in a remote area right it's you're in a in a remote area right it's a constrained area yeah that's like well a constrained area yeah that's like well a constrained area yeah that's like well how are you going to beam all this how are you going to beam all this how are you going to beam all this back to the the cloud or the edge and back to the the cloud or the edge and back to the the cloud or the edge and you know and uh you know you know and uh you know you know and uh you know um oddly you get Engineers going you um oddly you get Engineers going you um oddly you get Engineers going you know what that's a good that's a good know what that's a good that's a good know what that's a good that's a good point that's like point that's like point that's like that's the main point you know so that's the main point you know so that's the main point you know so um that's the thing about the main thing um that's the thing about the main thing um that's the thing about the main thing yeah the main thing is the main thing is yeah the main thing is the main thing is yeah the main thing is the main thing is stick with the main thing or whatever stick with the main thing or whatever stick with the main thing or whatever yeah yeah you got you got to work on the yeah yeah you got you got to work on the yeah yeah you got you got to work on the main things before the rest of the thing main things before the rest of the thing main things before the rest of the thing can actually work so yeah can actually work so yeah can actually work so yeah um but I mean they make for cool demos um but I mean they make for cool demos um but I mean they make for cool demos but yeah but yeah but yeah an activity like we just saw now an activity like we just saw now an activity like we just saw now has witnessed your voice getting has witnessed your voice getting has witnessed your voice getting increasingly garbled as you went into increasingly garbled as you went into increasingly garbled as you went into the expo hall the expo hall the expo hall um and then as you came back out the um and then as you came back out the um and then as you came back out the closer you get to the windows the better closer you get to the windows the better closer you get to the windows the better okay is that a hint that's it yeah right okay is that a hint that's it yeah right okay is that a hint that's it yeah right the closer you get to being out of doors the closer you get to being out of doors the closer you get to being out of doors the better it gets and then a weird the better it gets and then a weird the better it gets and then a weird thing about cellular thing about cellular thing about cellular you know why yes no one has come up with

you know why yes no one has come up with you know why yes no one has come up with like a USBC yagi antenna like a USBC yagi antenna like a USBC yagi antenna point you know yeah I'm gonna just have point you know yeah I'm gonna just have point you know yeah I'm gonna just have killer reception everywhere in the old days yeah in the old days yeah yes and the first things along the yes and the first things along the yes and the first things along the satellite like on the you know you hear satellite like on the you know you hear satellite like on the you know you hear that click and you know you were just that click and you know you were just that click and you know you were just like right on like right on like right on isn't that funny I don't know abandon isn't that funny I don't know abandon isn't that funny I don't know abandon antennas on smartphones cellular phones antennas on smartphones cellular phones antennas on smartphones cellular phones is it because people thought oh this is is it because people thought oh this is is it because people thought oh this is annoying or it doesn't it's annoying or it doesn't it's annoying or it doesn't it's aesthetically unpleasing yeah yeah aesthetically unpleasing yeah yeah aesthetically unpleasing yeah yeah the drinking with a pinky finger of of the drinking with a pinky finger of of the drinking with a pinky finger of of today used to be the whole thing the today used to be the whole thing the today used to be the whole thing the antenna on your Motorola star attack antenna on your Motorola star attack antenna on your Motorola star attack with your index right maybe just a with your index right maybe just a with your index right maybe just a couple of decades apart exactly it's like pull it out I mean exactly it's like pull it out I mean there's a reason that stuff is there there's a reason that stuff is there there's a reason that stuff is there because it works because it works because it works um it's all these engineering gyrations um it's all these engineering gyrations um it's all these engineering gyrations to try to put the antenna circling to try to put the antenna circling to try to put the antenna circling around the phone obviously lots of around the phone obviously lots of around the phone obviously lots of people remember antenna games antenna people remember antenna games antenna people remember antenna games antenna gate yeah gate yeah gate yeah um and Steve Jobs telling everybody um and Steve Jobs telling everybody um and Steve Jobs telling everybody you're holding it wrong wrong takes you know like I mean the only takes you know like I mean the only thing bigger bigger than Steve Jobs thing bigger bigger than Steve Jobs thing bigger bigger than Steve Jobs cojones was like the stage he was on cojones was like the stage he was on cojones was like the stage he was on because because because you are doing it wrong yeah move on if

you are doing it wrong yeah move on if you are doing it wrong yeah move on if your iPhone is working perfectly you're your iPhone is working perfectly you're your iPhone is working perfectly you're doing it wrong it's you yeah yeah so doing it wrong it's you yeah yeah so doing it wrong it's you yeah yeah so what's going on with you young man what's going on with you young man what's going on with you young man uh you know same old same old yeah uh you know same old same old yeah uh you know same old same old yeah um we're uh I know did you guys start at um we're uh I know did you guys start at um we're uh I know did you guys start at Clubhouse originally three years ago or Clubhouse originally three years ago or Clubhouse originally three years ago or no no that was too early right yeah oh no no that was too early right yeah oh no no that was too early right yeah oh it was too early yeah yeah so we're it was too early yeah yeah so we're it was too early yeah yeah so we're we're uh in from industry 4.0 Club we're we're uh in from industry 4.0 Club we're we're uh in from industry 4.0 Club we're all over in uh LinkedIn live now uh all all over in uh LinkedIn live now uh all all over in uh LinkedIn live now uh all of it we've kind of uh oh really okay of it we've kind of uh oh really okay of it we've kind of uh oh really okay cool cool cool and uh we're starting to figure out how and uh we're starting to figure out how and uh we're starting to figure out how we can kind of connect to all the we can kind of connect to all the we can kind of connect to all the original contacts that we had in original contacts that we had in original contacts that we had in clubhouse so uh we've got a website and clubhouse so uh we've got a website and clubhouse so uh we've got a website and trying to maybe at least uh get people trying to maybe at least uh get people trying to maybe at least uh get people to get over there we're doing something to get over there we're doing something to get over there we're doing something stuff right now so we had a call with stuff right now so we had a call with stuff right now so we had a call with Leonard a little while ago about uh chat Leonard a little while ago about uh chat Leonard a little while ago about uh chat GPT GPT GPT yeah that's pretty good website that yeah that's pretty good website that yeah that's pretty good website that every single image on our website is is every single image on our website is is every single image on our website is is uh generative AI That's not a real image uh generative AI That's not a real image uh generative AI That's not a real image report anywhere which is pretty cool report anywhere which is pretty cool report anywhere which is pretty cool they look pretty pretty nice I mean you they look pretty pretty nice I mean you they look pretty pretty nice I mean you can kind of if you look close you can can kind of if you look close you can can kind of if you look close you can see something there but it we're doing see something there but it we're doing see something there but it we're doing some interesting stuff around just just some interesting stuff around just just some interesting stuff around just just uh uh trying to uh uh play with uh with uh uh trying to uh uh play with uh with uh uh trying to uh uh play with uh with with these type of Technologies and in a with these type of Technologies and in a with these type of Technologies and in a way where we're really we're controlling way where we're really we're controlling way where we're really we're controlling it more it's not like us just connecting it more it's not like us just connecting it more it's not like us just connecting to the internet and have it just give us to the internet and have it just give us to the internet and have it just give us some kind of crap back by pulling you some kind of crap back by pulling you some kind of crap back by pulling you know one percent here two percent here know one percent here two percent here know one percent here two percent here whatever and give us some kind of result whatever and give us some kind of result whatever and give us some kind of result we're doing some interesting stuff right

we're doing some interesting stuff right we're doing some interesting stuff right now trying to engage people but it it's now trying to engage people but it it's now trying to engage people but it it's a a lot of times like even from LinkedIn a a lot of times like even from LinkedIn a a lot of times like even from LinkedIn it's hard to get contacts we we can get it's hard to get contacts we we can get it's hard to get contacts we we can get oh yeah email addresses and and oh yeah email addresses and and oh yeah email addresses and and Clubhouse I think is pretty much Clubhouse I think is pretty much Clubhouse I think is pretty much impossible so we will have to reach out impossible so we will have to reach out impossible so we will have to reach out to people and say hey go here sign up as to people and say hey go here sign up as to people and say hey go here sign up as a member again and then we can start but a member again and then we can start but a member again and then we can start but we're trying to kind of consolidate all we're trying to kind of consolidate all we're trying to kind of consolidate all our content you guys are doing pretty our content you guys are doing pretty our content you guys are doing pretty good you ship it on one platform all good you ship it on one platform all good you ship it on one platform all along right so along right so along right so yeah yeah I mean even though we don't we yeah yeah I mean even though we don't we yeah yeah I mean even though we don't we don't we don't try to necessarily don't we don't try to necessarily don't we don't try to necessarily promote I don't think right I mean do we promote I don't think right I mean do we promote I don't think right I mean do we really promote I think we just like put really promote I think we just like put really promote I think we just like put crap out there crap out there crap out there yeah sticks every week quite honestly yeah sticks every week quite honestly yeah sticks every week quite honestly but you know you know what I mean you're but you know you know what I mean you're but you know you know what I mean you're right our platform is it's always been right our platform is it's always been right our platform is it's always been just record the thing on Zoom upload to just record the thing on Zoom upload to just record the thing on Zoom upload to Youtube yep split out the audio and Youtube yep split out the audio and Youtube yep split out the audio and upload that to all the podcast deals and upload that to all the podcast deals and upload that to all the podcast deals and then um and then we promote like through then um and then we promote like through then um and then we promote like through Twitter or LinkedIn the videos and the Twitter or LinkedIn the videos and the Twitter or LinkedIn the videos and the podcasts you know to try to just spread podcasts you know to try to just spread podcasts you know to try to just spread the word the word the word um have you do you feel like the um have you do you feel like the um have you do you feel like the linkedin's gotten all the bugs worked linkedin's gotten all the bugs worked linkedin's gotten all the bugs worked out of their whole LinkedIn live stuff I out of their whole LinkedIn live stuff I out of their whole LinkedIn live stuff I remember so many events that they just remember so many events that they just remember so many events that they just struggled so we're a little bit struggled so we're a little bit struggled so we're a little bit different because we don't go straight different because we don't go straight different because we don't go straight on LinkedIn live we use stream yard to on LinkedIn live we use stream yard to on LinkedIn live we use stream yard to kind of stream out to both LinkedIn live kind of stream out to both LinkedIn live kind of stream out to both LinkedIn live and YouTube and Twitter by the way too and YouTube and Twitter by the way too and YouTube and Twitter by the way too okay okay okay um so if something goes awry we still um so if something goes awry we still um so if something goes awry we still have the recording and stream yard that have the recording and stream yard that have the recording and stream yard that we can then post separately if we needed we can then post separately if we needed we can then post separately if we needed to okay um but it also allows us to kind

to okay um but it also allows us to kind to okay um but it also allows us to kind of stream at the same time to three of stream at the same time to three of stream at the same time to three different platforms different platforms different platforms um and I mean there's some Kinks there um and I mean there's some Kinks there um and I mean there's some Kinks there too that sometimes we we have to work too that sometimes we we have to work too that sometimes we we have to work out out out um I remember with yeah we were on a um I remember with yeah we were on a um I remember with yeah we were on a couple times and I have to jump in and couple times and I have to jump in and couple times and I have to jump in and out because I was messing up yeah my out because I was messing up yeah my out because I was messing up yeah my connection the new sister yeah yeah connection the new sister yeah yeah connection the new sister yeah yeah there's a couple things you need to know there's a couple things you need to know there's a couple things you need to know and then stream yard initially and then stream yard initially and then stream yard initially a lot of it department has blocked it a lot of it department has blocked it a lot of it department has blocked it because they didn't know what the heck because they didn't know what the heck because they didn't know what the heck it was so when we right trying to get a it was so when we right trying to get a it was so when we right trying to get a guest on they would have to get their guest on they would have to get their guest on they would have to get their iPad out and go on their home network or iPad out and go on their home network or iPad out and go on their home network or whatever now that's kind of solved now I whatever now that's kind of solved now I whatever now that's kind of solved now I think most most time get on there they think most most time get on there they think most most time get on there they have no problems but I remember at the have no problems but I remember at the have no problems but I remember at the beginning we had some issues there beginning we had some issues there beginning we had some issues there that's right wow so how are things in that's right wow so how are things in that's right wow so how are things in your normal life your day job it's cool your normal life your day job it's cool your normal life your day job it's cool it's it's a you know this uh this uh iot it's it's a you know this uh this uh iot it's it's a you know this uh this uh iot stuff is uh it's a it's a cool area to stuff is uh it's a it's a cool area to stuff is uh it's a it's a cool area to work in I think there's so many work in I think there's so many work in I think there's so many different things that you uh it's not different things that you uh it's not different things that you uh it's not just iot also it's like you know digital just iot also it's like you know digital just iot also it's like you know digital transformation uh user experience some transformation uh user experience some transformation uh user experience some kind and and all of it is trying to pull kind and and all of it is trying to pull kind and and all of it is trying to pull all that together uh to give your all that together uh to give your all that together uh to give your customers a better experience right and customers a better experience right and customers a better experience right and um um um this is uh there's always something this is uh there's always something this is uh there's always something right now I know uh uh rob you uh you right now I know uh uh rob you uh you right now I know uh uh rob you uh you you promote teal all the time uh and we you promote teal all the time uh and we you promote teal all the time uh and we we work with somebody else but that we work with somebody else but that we work with somebody else but that whole area of globalism that is a mess I whole area of globalism that is a mess I whole area of globalism that is a mess I mean I remember we were working for mean I remember we were working for mean I remember we were working for years trying to get this Canada years trying to get this Canada years trying to get this Canada connectivity I mean uh and I I'm not connectivity I mean uh and I I'm not connectivity I mean uh and I I'm not work with tail so I don't know how good

work with tail so I don't know how good work with tail so I don't know how good they are but the ones that can that can they are but the ones that can that can they are but the ones that can that can do this well is the ones they're gonna do this well is the ones they're gonna do this well is the ones they're gonna expect the boys like oems right we we expect the boys like oems right we we expect the boys like oems right we we make machines and we step between where make machines and we step between where make machines and we step between where in the world and it needs to connect in the world and it needs to connect in the world and it needs to connect right yeah it's really really a hard right yeah it's really really a hard right yeah it's really really a hard area to work in but that's uh that's one area to work in but that's uh that's one area to work in but that's uh that's one thing and then they're saying now I thing and then they're saying now I thing and then they're saying now I forgot the name one but it's a Danish forgot the name one but it's a Danish forgot the name one but it's a Danish company talking about the software Sim company talking about the software Sim company talking about the software Sim okay I never heard of that before but okay I never heard of that before but okay I never heard of that before but that's interesting so there's no there's that's interesting so there's no there's that's interesting so there's no there's no you mean uh Isom just recently I'm thinking what do they just recently I'm thinking what do they mean mean mean so it's like so it's like so it's like embed the same in your firmware embed the same in your firmware embed the same in your firmware yeah that's really weird there's a lot yeah that's really weird there's a lot yeah that's really weird there's a lot of players in that space a lot of them of players in that space a lot of them of players in that space a lot of them are mvnos as we call it yeah and are mvnos as we call it yeah and are mvnos as we call it yeah and um and um and um and you know what some are doing great some you know what some are doing great some you know what some are doing great some are participating in a race to the are participating in a race to the are participating in a race to the bottom yeah you know I mean you know how bottom yeah you know I mean you know how bottom yeah you know I mean you know how it is in the end what are people number it is in the end what are people number it is in the end what are people number one thing they're shopping on price one thing they're shopping on price one thing they're shopping on price that too oh yeah for sure but as you that too oh yeah for sure but as you that too oh yeah for sure but as you probably but as you've experienced probably but as you've experienced probably but as you've experienced sometimes that bites them in the butt sometimes that bites them in the butt sometimes that bites them in the butt they went for price and they didn't get they went for price and they didn't get they went for price and they didn't get good reliability or yeah she didn't know good reliability or yeah she didn't know good reliability or yeah she didn't know for sure yeah I mean we I mean for sure yeah I mean we I mean for sure yeah I mean we I mean everything to tell me that the cheapest everything to tell me that the cheapest everything to tell me that the cheapest rate has tier three access to the local rate has tier three access to the local rate has tier three access to the local mno is that what you mean rob it could mno is that what you mean rob it could mno is that what you mean rob it could be

that's supposed to work anywhere in the that's supposed to work anywhere in the world world world and uh and your vendor says no problem and uh and your vendor says no problem and uh and your vendor says no problem it's Global and it's decent so you're it's Global and it's decent so you're it's Global and it's decent so you're never roaming you're always local and never roaming you're always local and never roaming you're always local and then this doesn't work sometimes then this doesn't work sometimes then this doesn't work sometimes you know it was one one I mean we're you know it was one one I mean we're you know it was one one I mean we're starting to uh to expand into to Latin starting to uh to expand into to Latin starting to uh to expand into to Latin America right this I mean that's a America right this I mean that's a America right this I mean that's a you know you know you know area where you will have very good area where you will have very good area where you will have very good reception if you were in a main big city reception if you were in a main big city reception if you were in a main big city right but once you out right but once you out right but once you out yeah Factory or in in the forest yeah Factory or in in the forest yeah Factory or in in the forest somewhere you might not have any somewhere you might not have any somewhere you might not have any connectivity and you might you know connectivity and you might you know connectivity and you might you know there might be connectivity but that's there might be connectivity but that's there might be connectivity but that's not your that's not your sim vendor not your that's not your sim vendor not your that's not your sim vendor right then that's um yeah that's a it's right then that's um yeah that's a it's right then that's um yeah that's a it's a crazy area and it's like a crazy area and it's like a crazy area and it's like that's just something that if somebody that's just something that if somebody that's just something that if somebody saw that or if an organization has said saw that or if an organization has said saw that or if an organization has said yeah I mean just just be a fact you yeah I mean just just be a fact you yeah I mean just just be a fact you can't roll right yeah uh in Brazil for can't roll right yeah uh in Brazil for can't roll right yeah uh in Brazil for example you can roam for a week and then example you can roam for a week and then example you can roam for a week and then you cut it off for maybe a month I don't you cut it off for maybe a month I don't you cut it off for maybe a month I don't remember but yeah 89 days if you want to remember but yeah 89 days if you want to remember but yeah 89 days if you want to be five days okay yeah then yeah you be five days okay yeah then yeah you be five days okay yeah then yeah you know David knows very well they don't know David knows very well they don't know David knows very well they don't understand understand understand I understand it if I if I'm a person I understand it if I if I'm a person I understand it if I if I'm a person with a phone and I'm using it for for with a phone and I'm using it for for with a phone and I'm using it for for talk and text whatever yeah that you talk and text whatever yeah that you talk and text whatever yeah that you can't just go down to a Brazilian Room can't just go down to a Brazilian Room can't just go down to a Brazilian Room for anything but if iot it's a different for anything but if iot it's a different for anything but if iot it's a different you know it's different data it's you know it's different data it's you know it's different data it's different structure and it's just different structure and it's just different structure and it's just something that should just works yeah something that should just works yeah something that should just works yeah the roaming agreements were made for the roaming agreements were made for the roaming agreements were made for tourists tourists tourists yeah yeah yeah I mean you know you can yeah Brazil for I mean you know you can yeah Brazil for I mean you know you can yeah Brazil for a couple of weeks on vacation and then a couple of weeks on vacation and then a couple of weeks on vacation and then come back and that's good but they

come back and that's good but they come back and that's good but they didn't think you were going to have an didn't think you were going to have an didn't think you were going to have an iot device permanently iot device permanently iot device permanently de Janeiro you know sending telemetry de Janeiro you know sending telemetry de Janeiro you know sending telemetry on their Network on their Network on their Network well you know another thing that uh well you know another thing that uh well you know another thing that uh often is overlooked is also the um so often is overlooked is also the um so often is overlooked is also the um so with the with the specific uh I don't with the with the specific uh I don't with the with the specific uh I don't know let's just grab you know narrowband know let's just grab you know narrowband know let's just grab you know narrowband iot you might have all these features on iot you might have all these features on iot you might have all these features on the on the local network say power save the on the local network say power save the on the local network say power save mode right and you know if you don't mode right and you know if you don't mode right and you know if you don't have the same deployment uh wherever have the same deployment uh wherever have the same deployment uh wherever you're roaming well guess what's not you're roaming well guess what's not you're roaming well guess what's not going to work right so whatever that going to work right so whatever that going to work right so whatever that calculation that you did for battery you calculation that you did for battery you calculation that you did for battery you know based on this usage battery is know based on this usage battery is know based on this usage battery is going to do this and we've seen it here going to do this and we've seen it here going to do this and we've seen it here it comes it goes out the window once it comes it goes out the window once it comes it goes out the window once you're roaming in somebody else's you're roaming in somebody else's you're roaming in somebody else's Network that hasn't deployed the same Network that hasn't deployed the same Network that hasn't deployed the same features and you know and again finding features and you know and again finding features and you know and again finding out the hard way these are the questions out the hard way these are the questions out the hard way these are the questions to ask yeah yeah actually because your to ask yeah yeah actually because your to ask yeah yeah actually because your solution have starlink backup solution have starlink backup solution have starlink backup yeah yeah yeah well I mean I think these are great well I mean I think these are great well I mean I think these are great points you know great things for a lot points you know great things for a lot points you know great things for a lot of practitioners to think about you know of practitioners to think about you know of practitioners to think about you know the one or two if you listen to the show the one or two if you listen to the show the one or two if you listen to the show uh to consider yeah you know speaking of uh to consider yeah you know speaking of uh to consider yeah you know speaking of starlink I saw a news blurb yesterday starlink I saw a news blurb yesterday starlink I saw a news blurb yesterday and one of the things on my phone that and one of the things on my phone that and one of the things on my phone that said that Best Buy is going to start said that Best Buy is going to start said that Best Buy is going to start selling starlink in certain states in selling starlink in certain states in selling starlink in certain states in the US the US the US makes sense makes sense makes sense who goes into Best Buy though I don't

who goes into Best Buy though I don't who goes into Best Buy though I don't know somebody your mom I don't know no know somebody your mom I don't know no know somebody your mom I don't know no my mom calls me so I can do e-commerce my mom calls me so I can do e-commerce my mom calls me so I can do e-commerce from Best Buy and then go and set up the from Best Buy and then go and set up the from Best Buy and then go and set up the computer you have someone who wants to computer you have someone who wants to computer you have someone who wants to buy a refrigerator or maybe a CD player buy a refrigerator or maybe a CD player buy a refrigerator or maybe a CD player yeah yeah yeah CD player no I actually Best Buy CD player no I actually Best Buy CD player no I actually Best Buy actually has a very good value actually has a very good value actually has a very good value um Best Buy actually get they get paid um Best Buy actually get they get paid um Best Buy actually get they get paid by by Apple and Dell to to host their by by Apple and Dell to to host their by by Apple and Dell to to host their products in there because a lot of times products in there because a lot of times products in there because a lot of times people just want to touch it's one one people just want to touch it's one one people just want to touch it's one one and now right now the only place you can and now right now the only place you can and now right now the only place you can go is Walmart to some extent but not go is Walmart to some extent but not go is Walmart to some extent but not really but Best Buy yeah so if you want really but Best Buy yeah so if you want really but Best Buy yeah so if you want to thank you Lenovo i7 whatever what to thank you Lenovo i7 whatever what to thank you Lenovo i7 whatever what does it really look like it feel like does it really look like it feel like does it really look like it feel like you got to go somewhere oh yeah yeah you got to go somewhere oh yeah yeah you got to go somewhere oh yeah yeah you're right you're right you're right yeah and then you go back and buy it yeah and then you go back and buy it yeah and then you go back and buy it online anyway right somewhere else but online anyway right somewhere else but online anyway right somewhere else but we call that showrooming yeah exactly we call that showrooming yeah exactly we call that showrooming yeah exactly well you know the floor it's just like well you know the floor it's just like well you know the floor it's just like where can I buy this i7 you know and where can I buy this i7 you know and where can I buy this i7 you know and thanks man I'm out what is this live works all about in P what is this live works all about in P just for our audience a lot of not just for our audience a lot of not just for our audience a lot of not everybody knows who PTC is and what live everybody knows who PTC is and what live everybody knows who PTC is and what live works really or no I don't want to works really or no I don't want to works really or no I don't want to assume anything this may be the first assume anything this may be the first assume anything this may be the first everybody know these guys are someone's everybody know these guys are someone's everybody know these guys are someone's watch this where would the work works watch this where would the work works watch this where would the work works with an X even come from with an X even come from with an X even come from oh uh this dude named Rick started a

oh uh this dude named Rick started a oh uh this dude named Rick started a company called things works and they got company called things works and they got company called things works and they got purchased by or acquired by uh PTC and purchased by or acquired by uh PTC and purchased by or acquired by uh PTC and PTC is originally a PLM CAD uh you know PTC is originally a PLM CAD uh you know PTC is originally a PLM CAD uh you know software company uh actually you should software company uh actually you should software company uh actually you should compete with these guys back to me and compete with these guys back to me and compete with these guys back to me and when I was at IBM's but I used to work when I was at IBM's but I used to work when I was at IBM's but I used to work with the sophomore today and the with the sophomore today and the with the sophomore today and the rational teams that were uh you know and rational teams that were uh you know and rational teams that were uh you know and were competing with guys like PTC and were competing with guys like PTC and were competing with guys like PTC and three nice to uh to win work and three nice to uh to win work and three nice to uh to win work and Industrial and you know provide PLM Industrial and you know provide PLM Industrial and you know provide PLM through the same Zone you know these through the same Zone you know these through the same Zone you know these guys I mean I've always thought life guys I mean I've always thought life guys I mean I've always thought life cycle management folks yeah product life cycle management folks yeah product life cycle management folks yeah product life cycle magic I always thought these guys cycle magic I always thought these guys cycle magic I always thought these guys had a solid game and uh yeah um when had a solid game and uh yeah um when had a solid game and uh yeah um when they I think it was about 2013 Rick told they I think it was about 2013 Rick told they I think it was about 2013 Rick told me actually he just explained to me by me actually he just explained to me by me actually he just explained to me by the way folks I just met Rick a lot of the way folks I just met Rick a lot of the way folks I just met Rick a lot of who promises that he will be on next who promises that he will be on next who promises that he will be on next week week week and uh you know he's one of the original and uh you know he's one of the original and uh you know he's one of the original uh original hosts of iot coffee talk but uh original hosts of iot coffee talk but uh original hosts of iot coffee talk but he explained to me that they uh they he explained to me that they uh they he explained to me that they uh they serendipitously bumped into things works serendipitously bumped into things works serendipitously bumped into things works as as as PTC uh you know launched an external PTC uh you know launched an external PTC uh you know launched an external project project project to build an iot platform to build an iot platform to build an iot platform and so they bumped into Rick and and so they bumped into Rick and and so they bumped into Rick and I thought hey why don't we just buy I thought hey why don't we just buy I thought hey why don't we just buy these guys in the rest is history

these guys in the rest is history these guys in the rest is history yeah just buy them and we'll save yeah just buy them and we'll save yeah just buy them and we'll save ourselves three years and you know now ourselves three years and you know now ourselves three years and you know now uh Rick is Rick is uh part of the PTC uh Rick is Rick is uh part of the PTC uh Rick is Rick is uh part of the PTC Legacy and uh you know um I guess he Legacy and uh you know um I guess he Legacy and uh you know um I guess he likes hanging out here you know yeah likes hanging out here you know yeah likes hanging out here you know yeah easier and I'm gonna hang out with him easier and I'm gonna hang out with him easier and I'm gonna hang out with him tonight we're gonna go and party listen tonight we're gonna go and party listen tonight we're gonna go and party listen to some country music Selfie or didn't happen and and and Selfie or didn't happen and and and somehow managed to like disable his somehow managed to like disable his somehow managed to like disable his mountain bike for next week so he mountain bike for next week so he mountain bike for next week so he actually shows up yeah yeah actually shows up yeah yeah actually shows up yeah yeah know what nothing says country music know what nothing says country music know what nothing says country music like Boston like Boston like Boston oh yeah yeah exactly oh yeah yeah exactly oh yeah yeah exactly well you know is it fair to say that is well you know is it fair to say that is well you know is it fair to say that is it fair to say that the acquisition of it fair to say that the acquisition of it fair to say that the acquisition of thing works by PTC was a good move and thing works by PTC was a good move and thing works by PTC was a good move and it paid off for them um I I think it um um I I think it um important part I think it's an important important part I think it's an important important part I think it's an important part of their portfolio I mean that's part of their portfolio I mean that's part of their portfolio I mean that's one of the things is you know you look one of the things is you know you look one of the things is you know you look at the roadmap going forward for PTC at the roadmap going forward for PTC at the roadmap going forward for PTC they're trying to create what looks like they're trying to create what looks like they're trying to create what looks like a Infinity thingy majigger a Infinity thingy majigger a Infinity thingy majigger um where they're trying to create a um where they're trying to create a um where they're trying to create a digital digital digital uh you know a platform for uh enabling uh you know a platform for uh enabling uh you know a platform for uh enabling digital threads so they talk about digital threads so they talk about digital threads so they talk about digital threads a lot here quite quite digital threads a lot here quite quite digital threads a lot here quite quite uh a lot more than digital twin believe uh a lot more than digital twin believe uh a lot more than digital twin believe it or not yeah and uh and so uh yeah I

it or not yeah and uh and so uh yeah I it or not yeah and uh and so uh yeah I think um think um think um things were you know things Works has an things were you know things Works has an things were you know things Works has an important role it's an important hog in important role it's an important hog in important role it's an important hog in that whole portfolio play so that whole portfolio play so that whole portfolio play so um yeah but I we'll see you know I think um yeah but I we'll see you know I think um yeah but I we'll see you know I think um it's um it's um it's it's faced its uh challenges it's faced its uh challenges it's faced its uh challenges similar to what we've seen with other similar to what we've seen with other similar to what we've seen with other platforms right platforms right platforms right um it you know let's put it this way um it you know let's put it this way um it you know let's put it this way it's not it's not that exponential it's not it's not that exponential it's not it's not that exponential um it's not that exponential growth and um it's not that exponential growth and um it's not that exponential growth and yeah I think for the company that they yeah I think for the company that they yeah I think for the company that they might have been uh led to you know might have been uh led to you know might have been uh led to you know believe not by Rick but of course but believe not by Rick but of course but believe not by Rick but of course but you know by the by the the height yeah you know by the by the the height yeah you know by the by the the height yeah um that it would be at the time I mean um that it would be at the time I mean um that it would be at the time I mean think about it everyone's talking about think about it everyone's talking about think about it everyone's talking about iot platforms and that's about you know iot platforms and that's about you know iot platforms and that's about you know uh engineering everything they were uh engineering everything they were uh engineering everything they were there before anybody else there before anybody else there before anybody else yeah yeah yeah they were doing digital twin stuff but I they were doing digital twin stuff but I they were doing digital twin stuff but I think it you know I think what these think it you know I think what these think it you know I think what these guys are really good at is integrating guys are really good at is integrating guys are really good at is integrating and re-platforming a lot of the stuff and re-platforming a lot of the stuff and re-platforming a lot of the stuff that they acquire and it's just becoming that they acquire and it's just becoming that they acquire and it's just becoming a part of like uh a part of like uh a part of like uh um a large fabric of uh capabilities um a large fabric of uh capabilities um a large fabric of uh capabilities that they're looking at that they're looking at that they're looking at um leveraging um leveraging um leveraging um to support not only PLM but just that um to support not only PLM but just that um to support not only PLM but just that whole life cycle of a product all the

whole life cycle of a product all the whole life cycle of a product all the way to you know way to you know way to you know um uh end of life so um uh end of life so um uh end of life so um you know they just acquired a company um you know they just acquired a company um you know they just acquired a company called uh uh servicemax so these guys called uh uh servicemax so these guys called uh uh servicemax so these guys provide that whole uh service are provide that whole uh service are provide that whole uh service are Infield Infield Infield um you know product management and life um you know product management and life um you know product management and life cycle management cycle management cycle management so you know they're closing the loop on so you know they're closing the loop on so you know they're closing the loop on things so not to be confused with things so not to be confused with things so not to be confused with service now service now service now yeah totally not to be con uh confused yeah totally not to be con uh confused yeah totally not to be con uh confused with servicenow which I think is having with servicenow which I think is having with servicenow which I think is having their own event this week everybody's their own event this week everybody's their own event this week everybody's having an event this week all of our having an event this week all of our having an event this week all of our friends were in Santa Clara right now you know what I hate that place the you know what I hate that place the Santa Clara Convention Center must die Santa Clara Convention Center must die Santa Clara Convention Center must die every time I go in there it just seems every time I go in there it just seems every time I go in there it just seems gloomy and old and depressing yeah but gloomy and old and depressing yeah but gloomy and old and depressing yeah but you know it but if you go in there and you know it but if you go in there and you know it but if you go in there and it's topical now but doesn't it remind it's topical now but doesn't it remind it's topical now but doesn't it remind you of the uh Soviet Union yeah I mean you of the uh Soviet Union yeah I mean you of the uh Soviet Union yeah I mean that's what it is yeah it is old it's it's it's time to like it is old it's it's it's time to like can we get into like Levi's Stadium next can we get into like Levi's Stadium next can we get into like Levi's Stadium next door like that place is from this door like that place is from this door like that place is from this Century Century Century I've just reposted I saw you know how I've just reposted I saw you know how I've just reposted I saw you know how you get your little memories on Facebook you get your little memories on Facebook you get your little memories on Facebook from six years ago and all of a sudden I from six years ago and all of a sudden I from six years ago and all of a sudden I see this picture of Me video taping and see this picture of Me video taping and see this picture of Me video taping and screening I see the big Joshua tree and screening I see the big Joshua tree and screening I see the big Joshua tree and it's all red and so six years ago we it's all red and so six years ago we it's all red and so six years ago we were at Levi's Stadium with all my were at Levi's Stadium with all my were at Levi's Stadium with all my colleagues from the Hitachi lumada team

colleagues from the Hitachi lumada team colleagues from the Hitachi lumada team in a Sky Box watching YouTube how they in a Sky Box watching YouTube how they in a Sky Box watching YouTube how they did that read oh no way did that read oh no way did that read oh no way oh my God oh my God oh my God and so uh yeah as soon as that came up and so uh yeah as soon as that came up and so uh yeah as soon as that came up on my phone you know streets have no it on my phone you know streets have no it on my phone you know streets have no it was just incredible oh my God was just incredible oh my God was just incredible oh my God Leonard I'm gonna I'm gonna put on the Leonard I'm gonna I'm gonna put on the Leonard I'm gonna I'm gonna put on the chat for us but uh you need we need a chat for us but uh you need we need a chat for us but uh you need we need a follow-up because I found I found an follow-up because I found I found an follow-up because I found I found an article from Venture beat with the PTC article from Venture beat with the PTC article from Venture beat with the PTC acquisition and I quote PTC expects the acquisition and I quote PTC expects the acquisition and I quote PTC expects the acquisition will add more than 10 acquisition will add more than 10 acquisition will add more than 10 million of Revenue over the next over million of Revenue over the next over million of Revenue over the next over the first year so you need to validate the first year so you need to validate the first year so you need to validate if uh if uh if uh first year first year first year okay okay okay it was an article from Venture B it was an article from Venture B it was an article from Venture B regarding the PTC acquisition of thing regarding the PTC acquisition of thing regarding the PTC acquisition of thing works they were explaining oh okay okay works they were explaining oh okay okay works they were explaining oh okay okay let's see it either let's see it either let's see it either m m m m you know it's great to see but who's you know it's great to see but who's still standing you know after you just still standing you know after you just still standing you know after you just after all the Giants the hyperscale iot after all the Giants the hyperscale iot after all the Giants the hyperscale iot guys and everything we've seen the rise guys and everything we've seen the rise guys and everything we've seen the rise and crumbling of many of them yeah the and crumbling of many of them yeah the and crumbling of many of them yeah the smaller players who were real innovators smaller players who were real innovators smaller players who were real innovators and who found themselves having to like and who found themselves having to like and who found themselves having to like okay we'll work with Azure iot or okay okay we'll work with Azure iot or okay okay we'll work with Azure iot or okay we'll work with IBM or whoever Google we'll work with IBM or whoever Google we'll work with IBM or whoever Google and

and and we've seen this kind of rise and fall we've seen this kind of rise and fall we've seen this kind of rise and fall and then you see the players who and then you see the players who and then you see the players who actually built real solutions kind of actually built real solutions kind of actually built real solutions kind of in-10 solutions instead of selling Lego in-10 solutions instead of selling Lego in-10 solutions instead of selling Lego blocks blocks blocks um are still around you know which is um are still around you know which is um are still around you know which is just good to see you know so just good to see you know so just good to see you know so I'm glad to see you know and you talk I'm glad to see you know and you talk I'm glad to see you know and you talk about PTC you know PLM about PTC you know PLM about PTC you know PLM that's if you talk to you know doctor that's if you talk to you know doctor that's if you talk to you know doctor you know Michael Greaves helped his you know Michael Greaves helped his you know Michael Greaves helped his whole invention of the digital twin was whole invention of the digital twin was whole invention of the digital twin was directly related to PLM exactly what the point of the digital exactly what the point of the digital twin was was that product life cycle twin was was that product life cycle twin was was that product life cycle management from design yeah simulation management from design yeah simulation management from design yeah simulation testing lifetime run time it's hiring testing lifetime run time it's hiring testing lifetime run time it's hiring the product right yeah yeah I got I the product right yeah yeah I got I the product right yeah yeah I got I gotta jump off but at least now you gotta jump off but at least now you gotta jump off but at least now you you've got uh thinking of PLM Rob and in you've got uh thinking of PLM Rob and in you've got uh thinking of PLM Rob and in context of the the companies that are context of the the companies that are context of the the companies that are still out there you know the the folks still out there you know the the folks still out there you know the the folks that actually do this and have been that actually do this and have been that actually do this and have been doing it understood early on that the doing it understood early on that the doing it understood early on that the whole iot iiot of the shop floor was whole iot iiot of the shop floor was whole iot iiot of the shop floor was less about machines that were there and less about machines that were there and less about machines that were there and more about the systems that were more about the systems that were more about the systems that were gathering data from the machine and if gathering data from the machine and if gathering data from the machine and if you could tap into that you know that's you could tap into that you know that's you could tap into that you know that's one of the things I will bring PLM alive one of the things I will bring PLM alive one of the things I will bring PLM alive so if I could talk to skeda if I can so if I could talk to skeda if I can so if I could talk to skeda if I can talk to mes talk to mes talk to mes instead of like oh I'm going to put this instead of like oh I'm going to put this instead of like oh I'm going to put this sensor on your conveyor belt and you're sensor on your conveyor belt and you're sensor on your conveyor belt and you're going to make millions right away yeah going to make millions right away yeah going to make millions right away yeah not so much not so much

not so much not so much not so much not so much yeah there's a lot of a lot of bits and yeah there's a lot of a lot of bits and yeah there's a lot of a lot of bits and pieces through the the puzzle yeah how are things going how are things going it's a Melco oh yeah dude oh yeah uh it's a Melco oh yeah dude oh yeah uh it's a Melco oh yeah dude oh yeah uh killer team uh killer culture uh product killer team uh killer culture uh product killer team uh killer culture uh product Market fate like hearing from customers Market fate like hearing from customers Market fate like hearing from customers it's uh it's super cool and I keep it's uh it's super cool and I keep it's uh it's super cool and I keep telling Rachel every Sunday night I'm telling Rachel every Sunday night I'm telling Rachel every Sunday night I'm coming in tomorrow so it's uh week two coming in tomorrow so it's uh week two coming in tomorrow so it's uh week two you know it's uh it's good it's awesome you know it's uh it's good it's awesome you know it's uh it's good it's awesome and I gotta go jump on the world and I gotta go jump on the world and I gotta go jump on the world okay tell Rich we said hi yeah all right okay tell Rich we said hi yeah all right okay tell Rich we said hi yeah all right good to see you again bye guys all right good to see you again bye guys all right good to see you again bye guys all right see you see ya see you see ya see you see ya yeah yeah yeah oh my gosh I tell you one thing I oh my gosh I tell you one thing I oh my gosh I tell you one thing I learned last week when we did the call learned last week when we did the call learned last week when we did the call from Hawaii from Hawaii from Hawaii yeah and I was using it was a great chat yeah and I was using it was a great chat yeah and I was using it was a great chat by the way that was a great chat yeah by the way that was a great chat yeah by the way that was a great chat yeah self-conscious about talking about self-conscious about talking about self-conscious about talking about military stuff I thought it was military stuff I thought it was military stuff I thought it was yeah we kind of got into it I wish I was yeah we kind of got into it I wish I was yeah we kind of got into it I wish I was there I learned a lesson I tried to use there I learned a lesson I tried to use there I learned a lesson I tried to use my air pods connected to just a normal my air pods connected to just a normal my air pods connected to just a normal Windows PC my ThinkPad and it sounded Windows PC my ThinkPad and it sounded Windows PC my ThinkPad and it sounded like crap it sounded like I was on a like crap it sounded like I was on a like crap it sounded like I was on a long distance phone call from Azerbaijan long distance phone call from Azerbaijan long distance phone call from Azerbaijan or something so yeah or something so yeah or something so yeah yeah yeah yeah whatever again no no

more into stuff like that more into stuff like that um I know Tom was just like wow um I know Tom was just like wow um I know Tom was just like wow we've been so we've been so we've been so focused on what we think the world of focused on what we think the world of focused on what we think the world of iot is and we've been talking about iot is and we've been talking about iot is and we've been talking about factories or certain things like there's factories or certain things like there's factories or certain things like there's so many other areas we could Branch out so many other areas we could Branch out so many other areas we could Branch out into I think yeah he was like this is a into I think yeah he was like this is a into I think yeah he was like this is a light bulb for him that we just went light bulb for him that we just went light bulb for him that we just went deep on Military situational awareness deep on Military situational awareness deep on Military situational awareness with iot which when you think about it with iot which when you think about it with iot which when you think about it makes perfect sense but we just never makes perfect sense but we just never makes perfect sense but we just never talked about it you know now now do you talked about it you know now now do you talked about it you know now now do you put that on on uh on Google or Amazon or put that on on uh on Google or Amazon or put that on on uh on Google or Amazon or azure azure azure you know you know all of them will argue that you know all of them will argue that they're secure enough to support uh they're secure enough to support uh they're secure enough to support uh military applications but you know what military applications but you know what military applications but you know what actually uh the more I think about it actually uh the more I think about it actually uh the more I think about it um you what you're probably going to see um you what you're probably going to see um you what you're probably going to see is a lot of these things become more is a lot of these things become more is a lot of these things become more compartmentalized and deployed in like compartmentalized and deployed in like compartmentalized and deployed in like these Edge systems there was a company these Edge systems there was a company these Edge systems there was a company that I bumped into at the NAB show that that I bumped into at the NAB show that that I bumped into at the NAB show that was doing something really interesting was doing something really interesting was doing something really interesting with 5G and they called it Standalone 5G with 5G and they called it Standalone 5G with 5G and they called it Standalone 5G Network Network Network and I initially and I initially and I initially um signed up for this session thinking um signed up for this session thinking um signed up for this session thinking that they're going to talk about that they're going to talk about that they're going to talk about Standalone you know like Standalone 5G Standalone you know like Standalone 5G Standalone you know like Standalone 5G yeah uh new radio uh you know meaning yeah uh new radio uh you know meaning yeah uh new radio uh you know meaning the new core right but this was like the new core right but this was like the new core right but this was like literally Standalone it's like they uh literally Standalone it's like they uh literally Standalone it's like they uh basically rented Spectrum from a a basically rented Spectrum from a a basically rented Spectrum from a a British um so these are British guys uh British um so these are British guys uh British um so these are British guys uh a British Telco and they would stand up

a British Telco and they would stand up a British Telco and they would stand up temporarily a standalone 5G Network so temporarily a standalone 5G Network so temporarily a standalone 5G Network so they would borrow the Spectrum and then they would borrow the Spectrum and then they would borrow the Spectrum and then they would support these they would support these they would support these um you know broadcast applications right um you know broadcast applications right um you know broadcast applications right and you know of course broadcast and you know of course broadcast and you know of course broadcast requires a lot of bandwidth you need it requires a lot of bandwidth you need it requires a lot of bandwidth you need it needs to be reliable and so needs to be reliable and so needs to be reliable and so um you know when you hear a lot of talk um you know when you hear a lot of talk um you know when you hear a lot of talk about just the 5G in military uh I I about just the 5G in military uh I I about just the 5G in military uh I I think think think um those are the types of systems that um those are the types of systems that um those are the types of systems that could likely be what we've seen in the could likely be what we've seen in the could likely be what we've seen in the battlefield one of these years because battlefield one of these years because battlefield one of these years because I've always scratched my head wondering I've always scratched my head wondering I've always scratched my head wondering it's like buy now how's that going to it's like buy now how's that going to it's like buy now how's that going to work out right work out right work out right um but these uh Standalone networks and um but these uh Standalone networks and um but these uh Standalone networks and uh enabling these kind of iot ish uh enabling these kind of iot ish uh enabling these kind of iot ish um uh applications like you guys were um uh applications like you guys were um uh applications like you guys were talking about last week it makes a hell talking about last week it makes a hell talking about last week it makes a hell of a lot of sense you know and it could of a lot of sense you know and it could of a lot of sense you know and it could be really interesting to see how these be really interesting to see how these be really interesting to see how these things evolve and uh you know that's things evolve and uh you know that's things evolve and uh you know that's similar to the uh like I I read a while similar to the uh like I I read a while similar to the uh like I I read a while ago that Volkswagen was starting to put ago that Volkswagen was starting to put ago that Volkswagen was starting to put like local uh 5G networks in the like local uh 5G networks in the like local uh 5G networks in the factories so using that for factories so using that for factories so using that for communication is that the same thing communication is that the same thing communication is that the same thing well it's uh I mean you know we're well it's uh I mean you know we're well it's uh I mean you know we're kicking the tires on it it's a German kicking the tires on it it's a German kicking the tires on it it's a German equipment a cbrs that allows them yeah equipment a cbrs that allows them yeah equipment a cbrs that allows them yeah it's it's a little bit different because it's it's a little bit different because it's it's a little bit different because these guys actually called up the I these guys actually called up the I these guys actually called up the I think they called up the the carrier think they called up the the carrier think they called up the the carrier ahead of time has permission to use it

ahead of time has permission to use it ahead of time has permission to use it uh the Spectrum for or uh the Spectrum for or uh the Spectrum for or um you know actually King Charles uh um you know actually King Charles uh um you know actually King Charles uh Prince Charles coronation Prince Charles coronation Prince Charles coronation right so they stood it up temporarily right so they stood it up temporarily right so they stood it up temporarily because you know uh you don't have these because you know uh you don't have these because you know uh you don't have these persistent crowds these massive crowds persistent crowds these massive crowds persistent crowds these massive crowds all the time right but uh oftentimes all the time right but uh oftentimes all the time right but uh oftentimes um you don't have sufficient um you don't have sufficient um you don't have sufficient um bandwidth to do a broadcast and so um bandwidth to do a broadcast and so um bandwidth to do a broadcast and so that's why these guys stood this stuff that's why these guys stood this stuff that's why these guys stood this stuff up and you know the battlefield's the up and you know the battlefield's the up and you know the battlefield's the same thing right you might have uh a same thing right you might have uh a same thing right you might have uh a um you might have uh you know a division um you might have uh you know a division um you might have uh you know a division moving into a particular uh theater and moving into a particular uh theater and moving into a particular uh theater and you want to temporarily lay uh you want to temporarily lay uh you want to temporarily lay uh um you know a highly reliable um you know a highly reliable um you know a highly reliable um you know 5G Network that provides a um you know 5G Network that provides a um you know 5G Network that provides a ton of bandwidth uh to that and light ton of bandwidth uh to that and light ton of bandwidth uh to that and light that area up right but that area up right but that area up right but um you know you would have to have this um you know you would have to have this um you know you would have to have this kind of Standalone mobile mobile network kind of Standalone mobile mobile network kind of Standalone mobile mobile network to make that kind of thing happen so I I to make that kind of thing happen so I I to make that kind of thing happen so I I don't know I mean I thought that was don't know I mean I thought that was don't know I mean I thought that was really novel and it's weird I had some really novel and it's weird I had some really novel and it's weird I had some other people cite bring this particular other people cite bring this particular other people cite bring this particular company up I forgot the name of it company up I forgot the name of it company up I forgot the name of it um uh several times um uh several times um uh several times um in the context of uh you know um in the context of uh you know um in the context of uh you know industrial but you know I had to clarify industrial but you know I had to clarify industrial but you know I had to clarify to them they weren't using you know to them they weren't using you know to them they weren't using you know shared or unlicensed spectrum they were shared or unlicensed spectrum they were shared or unlicensed spectrum they were actually I think they were they were actually I think they were they were actually I think they were they were leasing the Spectrum leasing the Spectrum leasing the Spectrum so so when we talk about the uh the

so so when we talk about the uh the so so when we talk about the uh the Volkswagen thing is is there a spectrum Volkswagen thing is is there a spectrum Volkswagen thing is is there a spectrum that is identified for like a local 5G that is identified for like a local 5G that is identified for like a local 5G in Germany yeah I think it's like 3.4 in Germany yeah I think it's like 3.4 in Germany yeah I think it's like 3.4 yeah they have something yeah they have something yeah they have something designated uh Germany is like one of designated uh Germany is like one of designated uh Germany is like one of those unusual those unusual those unusual um um um countries or markets where they've countries or markets where they've countries or markets where they've carved out some unlicensed Spectrum for carved out some unlicensed Spectrum for carved out some unlicensed Spectrum for industrial use so industrial use so industrial use so yeah yeah yeah okay I wouldn't be surprised and I know okay I wouldn't be surprised and I know okay I wouldn't be surprised and I know that you know a lot of the German that you know a lot of the German that you know a lot of the German operators as well as operators as well as operators as well as manufacturing companies are manufacturing companies are manufacturing companies are um you know in particular Automotive or um you know in particular Automotive or um you know in particular Automotive or dabbling with the stuff right whether dabbling with the stuff right whether dabbling with the stuff right whether it's Mercedes or BMW or what have you as it's Mercedes or BMW or what have you as it's Mercedes or BMW or what have you as well well well there you go interesting because I mean there you go interesting because I mean there you go interesting because I mean that means that a lot of the that means that a lot of the that means that a lot of the equipment manufacturers have to rethink equipment manufacturers have to rethink equipment manufacturers have to rethink their communication protocols whatever their communication protocols whatever their communication protocols whatever they're going to put on the equipment to they're going to put on the equipment to they're going to put on the equipment to communicate or or an integrator comes in communicate or or an integrator comes in communicate or or an integrator comes in and outfits everything with a and outfits everything with a and outfits everything with a I don't know back net or modbus or OPC I don't know back net or modbus or OPC I don't know back net or modbus or OPC to uh to to 5G I don't know how that how to uh to to 5G I don't know how that how to uh to to 5G I don't know how that how efficient and and cheap that's going to efficient and and cheap that's going to efficient and and cheap that's going to be be be yeah you gotta have the industry to yeah you gotta have the industry to yeah you gotta have the industry to rethink what they're actually doing rethink what they're actually doing rethink what they're actually doing right right right yeah I mean I think there just has to be yeah I mean I think there just has to be yeah I mean I think there just has to be there is learning uh you know the guys there is learning uh you know the guys there is learning uh you know the guys that theme and you've been doing a lot that theme and you've been doing a lot that theme and you've been doing a lot of of of um pocs and r d work on the front and um pocs and r d work on the front and um pocs and r d work on the front and comes with actually building and testing comes with actually building and testing comes with actually building and testing systems right yeah and um you know I

systems right yeah and um you know I systems right yeah and um you know I think think think let's put it this way what they're let's put it this way what they're let's put it this way what they're learning is is the is a hell of a learning is is the is a hell of a learning is is the is a hell of a lot tougher than anyone anticipated and lot tougher than anyone anticipated and lot tougher than anyone anticipated and the hype is definitely uh totally off of the hype is definitely uh totally off of the hype is definitely uh totally off of a basic reality a basic reality a basic reality um and so you know there's it's going to um and so you know there's it's going to um and so you know there's it's going to be useful but you really have to you be useful but you really have to you be useful but you really have to you have to look at things at a very have to look at things at a very have to look at things at a very case-by-case basis I mean it's like case-by-case basis I mean it's like case-by-case basis I mean it's like pathetic how detailed the work is going pathetic how detailed the work is going pathetic how detailed the work is going to have to be because these networks are to have to be because these networks are to have to be because these networks are going to have to be highly engineered going to have to be highly engineered going to have to be highly engineered and they have to support and then your and they have to support and then your and they have to support and then your decisions in terms of how you connect decisions in terms of how you connect decisions in terms of how you connect things things things um where you deploy let's say you know um where you deploy let's say you know um where you deploy let's say you know compute workloads and stuff like that compute workloads and stuff like that compute workloads and stuff like that it's all going to be environment based it's all going to be environment based it's all going to be environment based so you're gonna have somebody who has a so you're gonna have somebody who has a so you're gonna have somebody who has a ton of experience in RF and ton of experience in RF and ton of experience in RF and networking and compute coming in and networking and compute coming in and networking and compute coming in and assessing an environment and then assessing an environment and then assessing an environment and then determining okay or can we actually put determining okay or can we actually put determining okay or can we actually put in here and if we're trying to get this in here and if we're trying to get this in here and if we're trying to get this like whiz-bang capability or what that like whiz-bang capability or what that like whiz-bang capability or what that you know and where do we deploy uh where you know and where do we deploy uh where you know and where do we deploy uh where do we deploy the workloads and how do we do we deploy the workloads and how do we do we deploy the workloads and how do we how do we distribute compute and then how do we distribute compute and then how do we distribute compute and then how do we connect everything reliable how do we connect everything reliable how do we connect everything reliable reliability and just that alone I mean reliability and just that alone I mean reliability and just that alone I mean think about how come I mean is there an think about how come I mean is there an think about how come I mean is there an easy button for this stuff and then you easy button for this stuff and then you easy button for this stuff and then you have all these people talking about easy have all these people talking about easy have all these people talking about easy but we have to get the front it's like but we have to get the front it's like but we have to get the front it's like dude there is this is like showing that dude there is this is like showing that dude there is this is like showing that easy button yeah you know what I saw easy button yeah you know what I saw easy button yeah you know what I saw some news yesterday I don't know if it

some news yesterday I don't know if it some news yesterday I don't know if it was Singapore some other country just was Singapore some other country just was Singapore some other country just basically came out and said they're basically came out and said they're basically came out and said they're going to dedicate it wasn't CBR Spectrum going to dedicate it wasn't CBR Spectrum going to dedicate it wasn't CBR Spectrum you know how in the US we've got Wi-Fi you know how in the US we've got Wi-Fi you know how in the US we've got Wi-Fi six e six e six e or gave that extra bandwidth yeah for or gave that extra bandwidth yeah for or gave that extra bandwidth yeah for Wi-Fi unlicensed I think it was some I Wi-Fi unlicensed I think it was some I Wi-Fi unlicensed I think it was some I think it was Singapore who's gonna do think it was Singapore who's gonna do think it was Singapore who's gonna do the same thing the same thing the same thing um the only reason I bring it up we've um the only reason I bring it up we've um the only reason I bring it up we've been talking about this private 5G and been talking about this private 5G and been talking about this private 5G and cbrs but yeah cbrs but yeah cbrs but yeah I'm bullish on Wi-Fi to be honest with I'm bullish on Wi-Fi to be honest with I'm bullish on Wi-Fi to be honest with you as as always because it's familiar you as as always because it's familiar you as as always because it's familiar it's already there everyone has it at it's already there everyone has it at it's already there everyone has it at their house people understand it yeah their house people understand it yeah their house people understand it yeah and it and it's not a you know rip and and it and it's not a you know rip and and it and it's not a you know rip and replace project so you know every replace project so you know every replace project so you know every company every every skyscraper every company every every skyscraper every company every every skyscraper every Factory yeah Wi-Fi access points Factory yeah Wi-Fi access points Factory yeah Wi-Fi access points everywhere everywhere everywhere and yeah and so at least in the US with and yeah and so at least in the US with and yeah and so at least in the US with the Wi-Fi 6E with all that extra the Wi-Fi 6E with all that extra the Wi-Fi 6E with all that extra bandwidth up there at that whatever six bandwidth up there at that whatever six bandwidth up there at that whatever six gigahertz Spectrum area gigahertz Spectrum area gigahertz Spectrum area um is it's going to be hard to beat and um is it's going to be hard to beat and um is it's going to be hard to beat and then Wi-Fi seven is supposed to be 5.7 then Wi-Fi seven is supposed to be 5.7 then Wi-Fi seven is supposed to be 5.7 is pretty close yeah Wi-Fi seven is is pretty close yeah Wi-Fi seven is is pretty close yeah Wi-Fi seven is gonna be like 30 gigabit I mean just gonna be like 30 gigabit I mean just gonna be like 30 gigabit I mean just insane yeah and I'm just I just I really insane yeah and I'm just I just I really insane yeah and I'm just I just I really think cellular is going to struggle to think cellular is going to struggle to think cellular is going to struggle to match those kind of stuff yeah yeah once match those kind of stuff yeah yeah once match those kind of stuff yeah yeah once you've worked in a factory building you've worked in a factory building you've worked in a factory building yeah there's a lot of easier ways to get yeah there's a lot of easier ways to get yeah there's a lot of easier ways to get connectivity then yeah and factories are connectivity then yeah and factories are connectivity then yeah and factories are all about ethernet already yeah the all about ethernet already yeah the all about ethernet already yeah the whole place is ethernet and then Wi-Fi whole place is ethernet and then Wi-Fi whole place is ethernet and then Wi-Fi drops and when you have and when the

drops and when you have and when the drops and when you have and when the Wi-Fi is you know especially if people Wi-Fi is you know especially if people Wi-Fi is you know especially if people start doing start doing start doing at least 10 gigabit Ethernet everywhere at least 10 gigabit Ethernet everywhere at least 10 gigabit Ethernet everywhere and then and then High Speed Wi-Fi I and then and then High Speed Wi-Fi I and then and then High Speed Wi-Fi I just I just don't know how you're going just I just don't know how you're going just I just don't know how you're going to compete with that with cellular yeah to compete with that with cellular yeah to compete with that with cellular yeah yeah I mean I think it it yeah I mean I think it it yeah I mean I think it it definitely it raises the bar for definitely it raises the bar for definitely it raises the bar for adoption uh for 5G I mean that's why you adoption uh for 5G I mean that's why you adoption uh for 5G I mean that's why you know I've been telling some folks is you know I've been telling some folks is you know I've been telling some folks is you guys have to figure out what the guys have to figure out what the guys have to figure out what the critical applications are because every critical applications are because every critical applications are because every anything that overlapses what Wi-Fi can anything that overlapses what Wi-Fi can anything that overlapses what Wi-Fi can do that that's low value and there's no do that that's low value and there's no do that that's low value and there's no differentiation there it's going to be differentiation there it's going to be differentiation there it's going to be really tough uh you know really tough uh you know really tough uh you know um the the antenna the the components on um the the antenna the the components on um the the antenna the the components on device are going to be cheaper they're device are going to be cheaper they're device are going to be cheaper they're going to be more available going to be more available going to be more available um you know deployments are going to be um you know deployments are going to be um you know deployments are going to be simpler I mean you're going to have an simpler I mean you're going to have an simpler I mean you're going to have an easier button easier button easier button um technical applications you know um technical applications you know um technical applications you know set up you know huge fortunate device set up you know huge fortunate device set up you know huge fortunate device that are computer-based they already that are computer-based they already that are computer-based they already have the chip there or whatever I just have the chip there or whatever I just have the chip there or whatever I just out of connecting the antenna yeah yeah out of connecting the antenna yeah yeah out of connecting the antenna yeah yeah but it might have a uh you know a but it might have a uh you know a but it might have a uh you know a upgrade board or something you know it's upgrade board or something you know it's upgrade board or something you know it's just a simple just a simple just a simple uh a connector you just put a little uh a connector you just put a little uh a connector you just put a little order and you got it right um but yeah I order and you got it right um but yeah I order and you got it right um but yeah I think it's it's gonna be hard to compete think it's it's gonna be hard to compete think it's it's gonna be hard to compete with that I mean yeah I didn't imagine with that I mean yeah I didn't imagine with that I mean yeah I didn't imagine going to to a factory today and say hey going to to a factory today and say hey going to to a factory today and say hey we gotta we gotta upgrade all the we gotta we gotta upgrade all the we gotta we gotta upgrade all the equipment to communicate with 5G like equipment to communicate with 5G like equipment to communicate with 5G like what how are you gonna do that well you what how are you gonna do that well you what how are you gonna do that well you know how much is it going to cost and

know how much is it going to cost and know how much is it going to cost and I'll look at the cost yeah crazy okay I'll look at the cost yeah crazy okay I'll look at the cost yeah crazy okay come on man are you are you kidding me come on man are you are you kidding me come on man are you are you kidding me well a lot of people are wondering well a lot of people are wondering well a lot of people are wondering whether or not they can even Go Wireless whether or not they can even Go Wireless whether or not they can even Go Wireless oh yeah oh yeah it's like why why am I oh yeah oh yeah it's like why why am I oh yeah oh yeah it's like why why am I gonna unwire this when this you know gonna unwire this when this you know gonna unwire this when this you know number one the equipment doesn't move number one the equipment doesn't move number one the equipment doesn't move [Laughter] what are you telling me I have to what are you telling me I have to transmit now all my data over the air transmit now all my data over the air transmit now all my data over the air and then you want me to spend how much and then you want me to spend how much and then you want me to spend how much that's a good thing it's hard to beat that's a good thing it's hard to beat that's a good thing it's hard to beat the reliability it's hard to beat the the reliability it's hard to beat the the reliability it's hard to beat the reliability of ethernet uh I know but reliability of ethernet uh I know but reliability of ethernet uh I know but that it's just a freaking bad ass that it's just a freaking bad ass that it's just a freaking bad ass reality you know it's yeah it's not reality you know it's yeah it's not reality you know it's yeah it's not going to be an entirely Wireless going to be an entirely Wireless going to be an entirely Wireless especially critical stuff so you know especially critical stuff so you know especially critical stuff so you know it's like 5G is kind of sandwiched in it's like 5G is kind of sandwiched in it's like 5G is kind of sandwiched in between you know all the commodity between you know all the commodity between you know all the commodity easier button stuff that Wi-Fi does and easier button stuff that Wi-Fi does and easier button stuff that Wi-Fi does and then that you know just then that you know just then that you know just um infinitely reliable wired stuff for um infinitely reliable wired stuff for um infinitely reliable wired stuff for critical applications so you know critical applications so you know critical applications so you know um it has to figure out how to solve a um it has to figure out how to solve a um it has to figure out how to solve a problem in the environment right that problem in the environment right that problem in the environment right that neither Wi-Fi or wired can often I think neither Wi-Fi or wired can often I think neither Wi-Fi or wired can often I think that range at the moment is very very that range at the moment is very very that range at the moment is very very narrow narrow narrow um and it's also expensive there's no um and it's also expensive there's no um and it's also expensive there's no easy buying for that stuff as far as easy buying for that stuff as far as easy buying for that stuff as far as I've I've seen and I've I've done a lot I've I've seen and I've I've done a lot I've I've seen and I've I've done a lot of research in this area and talked to a of research in this area and talked to a of research in this area and talked to a lot of people you know and and You Know lot of people you know and and You Know lot of people you know and and You Know spoken to some you know amazing spoken to some you know amazing spoken to some you know amazing um thought leaders and Engineers who've

um thought leaders and Engineers who've um thought leaders and Engineers who've been working with some of these hard been working with some of these hard been working with some of these hard problems so you know problems so you know problems so you know and um Good Times yeah yeah so the thing and um Good Times yeah yeah so the thing and um Good Times yeah yeah so the thing about wired though is that if you come about wired though is that if you come about wired though is that if you come in with as a new new piece of equipment in with as a new new piece of equipment in with as a new new piece of equipment just getting or sensor just getting just getting or sensor just getting just getting or sensor just getting somewhere to install power somewhere can somewhere to install power somewhere can somewhere to install power somewhere can be tough yeah I don't know Dave talked be tough yeah I don't know Dave talked be tough yeah I don't know Dave talked about you know battery and whatever oh about you know battery and whatever oh about you know battery and whatever oh yeah sometimes you don't have that yeah sometimes you don't have that yeah sometimes you don't have that option right if you have a option right if you have a option right if you have a high power sensor that needs battery uh high power sensor that needs battery uh high power sensor that needs battery uh one of these power right yeah and run it one of these power right yeah and run it one of these power right yeah and run it run an ethernet cable to it too it's run an ethernet cable to it too it's run an ethernet cable to it too it's just just just not always easy if you if you can avoid not always easy if you if you can avoid not always easy if you if you can avoid having power and you can use use having power and you can use use having power and you can use use wireless that's a lot easier that is a wireless that's a lot easier that is a wireless that's a lot easier that is a lot easier but if you got to use the lot easier but if you got to use the lot easier but if you got to use the ethernet and you need power maybe try ethernet and you need power maybe try ethernet and you need power maybe try power over ethernet power over ethernet power over ethernet but he's not a cable right Poe but he's not a cable right Poe but he's not a cable right Poe cat sex ethernet cables right yeah cat sex ethernet cables right yeah cat sex ethernet cables right yeah that's always an option and depending on that's always an option and depending on that's always an option and depending on the length how far away it is from the the length how far away it is from the the length how far away it is from the power of ethernet switch right yeah power of ethernet switch right yeah power of ethernet switch right yeah um but that's that's always a good um but that's that's always a good um but that's that's always a good option I think you can extend it further option I think you can extend it further option I think you can extend it further you can have these little yeah relay you can have these little yeah relay you can have these little yeah relay whatever thing boosters or something whatever thing boosters or something whatever thing boosters or something like that along the way like that along the way like that along the way um yeah when you need to get to weird um yeah when you need to get to weird um yeah when you need to get to weird places you know uh yeah it's crazy places you know uh yeah it's crazy places you know uh yeah it's crazy I was at a conference last year where I was at a conference last year where I was at a conference last year where this guy I think Israeli guy I think I this guy I think Israeli guy I think I this guy I think Israeli guy I think I can't remember but he was talking about can't remember but he was talking about can't remember but he was talking about battery last sensors yeah yeah battery last sensors yeah yeah battery last sensors yeah yeah you know that's uh yeah ambient light

you know that's uh yeah ambient light you know that's uh yeah ambient light vibration heat vibration heat vibration heat um um um and of course you need something that and of course you need something that and of course you need something that then shuts off go into sleep mode wake then shuts off go into sleep mode wake then shuts off go into sleep mode wake up sleep in order to keep it but still up sleep in order to keep it but still up sleep in order to keep it but still that's impressive stuff pretty cool that's impressive stuff pretty cool that's impressive stuff pretty cool that's like a that's a whole new that's like a that's a whole new that's like a that's a whole new um uh feature set that they're exploring um uh feature set that they're exploring um uh feature set that they're exploring for 5G advance and 6G so you know for 5G advance and 6G so you know for 5G advance and 6G so you know Ericsson Baldwin I I don't know if Nokia Ericsson Baldwin I I don't know if Nokia Ericsson Baldwin I I don't know if Nokia showed case something but they they showed case something but they they showed case something but they they actually have demoed that stuff oh wow actually have demoed that stuff oh wow actually have demoed that stuff oh wow it is pretty cool yeah I mean it's not a it is pretty cool yeah I mean it's not a it is pretty cool yeah I mean it's not a future stuff I mean as far as r d the future stuff I mean as far as r d the future stuff I mean as far as r d the technology existing it it exists it's technology existing it it exists it's technology existing it it exists it's like now how do you standardize it like now how do you standardize it like now how do you standardize it um how do you incorporate into the the I would think that 5G would pull more I would think that 5G would pull more power than than so I think that this guy power than than so I think that this guy power than than so I think that this guy that was present was more like mesh that was present was more like mesh that was present was more like mesh Network like uh Network like uh Network like uh um but but not 5G or 4G I remember this um but but not 5G or 4G I remember this um but but not 5G or 4G I remember this is something different okay yeah yeah it requires really are much lower yeah it requires really are much lower than cellular yeah you know what in fact than cellular yeah you know what in fact than cellular yeah you know what in fact Leonard you know if I think back to CES Leonard you know if I think back to CES Leonard you know if I think back to CES 2020 the hidden super spreader event 2020 the hidden super spreader event 2020 the hidden super spreader event that you and I were at oh no actually I that you and I were at oh no actually I that you and I were at oh no actually I missed out on that because my son was missed out on that because my son was missed out on that because my son was born born born yeah you were there by yourself

yeah you were there by yourself yeah you were there by yourself spreading the spreading the disease all spreading the spreading the disease all spreading the spreading the disease all over the world I remember but you know over the world I remember but you know over the world I remember but you know like how some of the people like will do like how some of the people like will do like how some of the people like will do private events yeah the suite of hotels private events yeah the suite of hotels private events yeah the suite of hotels in Vegas yeah I went to a demo of in Vegas yeah I went to a demo of in Vegas yeah I went to a demo of exactly what John's talking about that exactly what John's talking about that exactly what John's talking about that energy harvesting it was a bunch of PhD energy harvesting it was a bunch of PhD energy harvesting it was a bunch of PhD guys who've been working on at their guys who've been working on at their guys who've been working on at their University University University and uh got a sensor across the room and and uh got a sensor across the room and and uh got a sensor across the room and it was sending data across and there was it was sending data across and there was it was sending data across and there was nothing it was just magic uh and so it nothing it was just magic uh and so it nothing it was just magic uh and so it was using it was capturing radio waves was using it was capturing radio waves was using it was capturing radio waves that are just in the air wow give it that are just in the air wow give it that are just in the air wow give it electricity which was crazy yeah so you electricity which was crazy yeah so you electricity which was crazy yeah so you need 5D to have waves to to uh uh latch need 5D to have waves to to uh uh latch need 5D to have waves to to uh uh latch onto huh as it turns out we are onto huh as it turns out we are onto huh as it turns out we are surrounded by radioactives surrounded by radioactives surrounded by radioactives around us I don't even know how we're I've been surrounded by radio waves all I've been surrounded by radio waves all our lives and it wasn't about phones it our lives and it wasn't about phones it our lives and it wasn't about phones it was about radio yeah yeah was about radio yeah yeah was about radio yeah yeah um FM TV all that stuff is all over um FM TV all that stuff is all over um FM TV all that stuff is all over continuously yeah in fact when we think continuously yeah in fact when we think continuously yeah in fact when we think about trying to you know back to the about trying to you know back to the about trying to you know back to the getting coverage in Brazil you know just getting coverage in Brazil you know just getting coverage in Brazil you know just like when you hear about people using like when you hear about people using like when you hear about people using Chinese TV Spectrum uh it's like that Chinese TV Spectrum uh it's like that Chinese TV Spectrum uh it's like that being able to capture all these bizarre being able to capture all these bizarre being able to capture all these bizarre radio waves that are out there radio waves that are out there radio waves that are out there that may be licensed for certain things that may be licensed for certain things that may be licensed for certain things there's so much out there everywhere and there's so much out there everywhere and there's so much out there everywhere and I'll for sure it's a matter of cleaning I'll for sure it's a matter of cleaning I'll for sure it's a matter of cleaning the way to piggyback on top of them or

the way to piggyback on top of them or the way to piggyback on top of them or something something something yeah don't mind us we're going to just yeah don't mind us we're going to just yeah don't mind us we're going to just send a few bits of data it'll be okay in a closed manufacturing environment in a closed manufacturing environment because all the walls are going to stop because all the walls are going to stop because all the walls are going to stop the radio waves true you're right yeah the radio waves true you're right yeah the radio waves true you're right yeah um you know I I think there's um you know I I think there's um you know I I think there's there's just a lot of challenges in there's just a lot of challenges in there's just a lot of challenges in especially industrial environments and especially industrial environments and especially industrial environments and you know the more you talk to some of you know the more you talk to some of you know the more you talk to some of these Legacy or you know more the the these Legacy or you know more the the these Legacy or you know more the the more let's call them more let's call them more let's call them the traditional players out there you the traditional players out there you the traditional players out there you know a lot of us like to assume that know a lot of us like to assume that know a lot of us like to assume that these guys are you know are backwards these guys are you know are backwards these guys are you know are backwards and they don't uh they don't have an and they don't uh they don't have an and they don't uh they don't have an Innovative an ounce of innovative uh Innovative an ounce of innovative uh Innovative an ounce of innovative uh will in their body or in the will in their body or in the will in their body or in the organizations but that's not entirely organizations but that's not entirely organizations but that's not entirely true one of the challenges they have is true one of the challenges they have is true one of the challenges they have is they have to deal with a whole Legacy they have to deal with a whole Legacy they have to deal with a whole Legacy portfolio of stuff that's out in their portfolio of stuff that's out in their portfolio of stuff that's out in their installed base right out in the field so installed base right out in the field so installed base right out in the field so they all have to be judicious about how they all have to be judicious about how they all have to be judicious about how they not only help their existing they not only help their existing they not only help their existing clients evolve their capabilities and clients evolve their capabilities and clients evolve their capabilities and many of those customers don't they just many of those customers don't they just many of those customers don't they just want to read the stuff the way it is but want to read the stuff the way it is but want to read the stuff the way it is but then they also have the challenge of you then they also have the challenge of you then they also have the challenge of you know continually evolving their products know continually evolving their products know continually evolving their products and they're bumping into a lot of these and they're bumping into a lot of these and they're bumping into a lot of these realities that I think the technology realities that I think the technology realities that I think the technology folks to recognize and I think that's folks to recognize and I think that's folks to recognize and I think that's what we're seeing with a lot of what we're seeing with a lot of what we're seeing with a lot of um these whiz-bang hype Technologies

um these whiz-bang hype Technologies um these whiz-bang hype Technologies right a lot of the technologists or at right a lot of the technologists or at right a lot of the technologists or at least the media and the animals are least the media and the animals are least the media and the animals are going bonkers with the narratives and uh going bonkers with the narratives and uh going bonkers with the narratives and uh you know as these you know as these you know as these um bigger players that have uh you know um bigger players that have uh you know um bigger players that have uh you know the customers and the install base that the customers and the install base that the customers and the install base that uh you know uh everybody wants to sell uh you know uh everybody wants to sell uh you know uh everybody wants to sell these Technologies to their their these Technologies to their their these Technologies to their their feeding back that hey look you know feeding back that hey look you know feeding back that hey look you know these environments that were these environments that were these environments that were um we're dealing with are are very very um we're dealing with are are very very um we're dealing with are are very very complex in your lab experience complex in your lab experience complex in your lab experience experiment and your you know academic experiment and your you know academic experiment and your you know academic paper what what suggesting your academic paper what what suggesting your academic paper what what suggesting your academic papers were this you know hyped up papers were this you know hyped up papers were this you know hyped up article it just doesn't play out well in article it just doesn't play out well in article it just doesn't play out well in in real life you know what I'm saying in real life you know what I'm saying in real life you know what I'm saying and I mean it's it and that's one of the and I mean it's it and that's one of the and I mean it's it and that's one of the things that's really cool you know I'm things that's really cool you know I'm things that's really cool you know I'm going around talking to a lot of going around talking to a lot of going around talking to a lot of companies a lot of vendors up and down companies a lot of vendors up and down companies a lot of vendors up and down the stack and you really see that that the stack and you really see that that the stack and you really see that that you know disconnect you know disconnect you know disconnect um um um playing out you know what I'm saying and playing out you know what I'm saying and playing out you know what I'm saying and build the uh the rationalization build the uh the rationalization build the uh the rationalization happening but it's sobering it's happening but it's sobering it's happening but it's sobering it's sobering for a lot of technology sobering for a lot of technology sobering for a lot of technology companies that are finding out well okay companies that are finding out well okay companies that are finding out well okay there really isn't that big of a market there really isn't that big of a market there really isn't that big of a market for the this uh you know Gizmo that I've for the this uh you know Gizmo that I've for the this uh you know Gizmo that I've uh created or this new uh AI chatbot uh created or this new uh AI chatbot uh created or this new uh AI chatbot thing you know thing you know thing you know um you know people have to do their um you know people have to do their um you know people have to do their homework and you know this stuff is not homework and you know this stuff is not homework and you know this stuff is not easy

easy easy um and um especially for the folks that um and um especially for the folks that um and um especially for the folks that are doing the iot stuff it's like what are doing the iot stuff it's like what are doing the iot stuff it's like what we've been saying for three years now we've been saying for three years now we've been saying for three years now there really isn't an easy button for there really isn't an easy button for there really isn't an easy button for this stuff that's why these this stuff that's why these this stuff that's why these um you know iot platform plays never um you know iot platform plays never um you know iot platform plays never scaled out scaled out scaled out and never played out the way that um and never played out the way that um and never played out the way that um everyone was talking about you know and everyone was talking about you know and everyone was talking about you know and you know you know you know um it's time to pay attention to the um it's time to pay attention to the um it's time to pay attention to the details details details you know the nuances of where uh where you know the nuances of where uh where you know the nuances of where uh where we're thinking it's Technologies are we're thinking it's Technologies are we're thinking it's Technologies are going to make a difference you know and going to make a difference you know and going to make a difference you know and I think um we still need to make that I think um we still need to make that I think um we still need to make that correction in thinking correction in thinking correction in thinking um because there's still really big um because there's still really big um because there's still really big disconnects that we are we talk about on disconnects that we are we talk about on disconnects that we are we talk about on the show all the time so if you don't the show all the time so if you don't the show all the time so if you don't watch the show watch the show watch the show you should friggin watch the show you should friggin watch the show you should friggin watch the show right yeah yeah I mean I even watched right yeah yeah I mean I even watched right yeah yeah I mean I even watched the show because sometimes I don't you the show because sometimes I don't you the show because sometimes I don't you know I miss what one of you guys say I know I miss what one of you guys say I know I miss what one of you guys say I was like what the freaking hell did he was like what the freaking hell did he was like what the freaking hell did he say I gotta watch it again and they say I gotta watch it again and they say I gotta watch it again and they ended up being very very insightful uh ended up being very very insightful uh ended up being very very insightful uh you know episode so yeah I'm probably you know episode so yeah I'm probably you know episode so yeah I'm probably our biggest I'm probably our biggest uh our biggest I'm probably our biggest uh our biggest I'm probably our biggest uh audience you are you're the number one audience you are you're the number one audience you are you're the number one Watcher of this pathetic yeah I'm like Watcher of this pathetic yeah I'm like Watcher of this pathetic yeah I'm like the number one fan exactly yeah I I the number one fan exactly yeah I I the number one fan exactly yeah I I don't I don't I listen to it on uh on on don't I don't I listen to it on uh on on don't I don't I listen to it on uh on on uh podcast instead um because yeah a uh podcast instead um because yeah a uh podcast instead um because yeah a long time when I'm in my car to work or long time when I'm in my car to work or long time when I'm in my car to work or whatever I got some time there to listen whatever I got some time there to listen whatever I got some time there to listen and oh so that's always a good one once

and oh so that's always a good one once and oh so that's always a good one once a week I can uh I can listen to you guys a week I can uh I can listen to you guys a week I can uh I can listen to you guys that's right oh cool yeah and over time that's right oh cool yeah and over time that's right oh cool yeah and over time we appreciate that over time it'll be we appreciate that over time it'll be we appreciate that over time it'll be more and more important to listen to us more and more important to listen to us more and more important to listen to us rather than see our ugly faces you know rather than see our ugly faces you know rather than see our ugly faces you know yeah there you go yeah there you go yeah there you go it would be better to be just a voice it would be better to be just a voice it would be better to be just a voice of AI filters on you know so we always of AI filters on you know so we always of AI filters on you know so we always feel young feel young feel young [Laughter] um you know I've had a lot of generative um you know I've had a lot of generative AI conversations and AI conversations and AI conversations and um um um um ctOS are being a lot more thoughtful um ctOS are being a lot more thoughtful um ctOS are being a lot more thoughtful than I think everyone thinks well that's than I think everyone thinks well that's than I think everyone thinks well that's good to hear they're not they're not I good to hear they're not they're not I good to hear they're not they're not I mean they are not drinking the Kool-Aid mean they are not drinking the Kool-Aid mean they are not drinking the Kool-Aid and uh you know like I talked to the CTO and uh you know like I talked to the CTO and uh you know like I talked to the CTO at PTC Honeywell at PTC Honeywell at PTC Honeywell um I uh um I uh um I uh um I'll tell maybe not so much they're um I'll tell maybe not so much they're um I'll tell maybe not so much they're kind of drinking the Kool-Aid but kind of drinking the Kool-Aid but kind of drinking the Kool-Aid but there's a lot more there's a lot more there's a lot more uh sensible thinking uh and you know uh sensible thinking uh and you know uh sensible thinking uh and you know um I I think Jen AI is going to go um I I think Jen AI is going to go um I I think Jen AI is going to go through the typical steps of uh hype through the typical steps of uh hype through the typical steps of uh hype cycle collapse cycle collapse cycle collapse which is people are doing pocs they're which is people are doing pocs they're which is people are doing pocs they're going to find out what it can and can't going to find out what it can and can't going to find out what it can and can't do they're going to find out a lot of do they're going to find out a lot of do they're going to find out a lot of what it can't do and there's going to be what it can't do and there's going to be what it can't do and there's going to be a very small number of things that we a very small number of things that we a very small number of things that we discover that gen AI is actually good at discover that gen AI is actually good at discover that gen AI is actually good at and the rest of it is just crap we've and the rest of it is just crap we've and the rest of it is just crap we've seen this time and time again is seen this time and time again is seen this time and time again is probably the only given in the universe probably the only given in the universe probably the only given in the universe it's like a law it's like a law it's like a law right

right right um and we'll see it play out and so yeah um and we'll see it play out and so yeah um and we'll see it play out and so yeah but yeah they're I mean it's not like but yeah they're I mean it's not like but yeah they're I mean it's not like they're ignoring it they're um you know they're playing with it but um you know they're playing with it but they're also finding out they're also finding out they're also finding out don't don't plug this thing into that or don't don't plug this thing into that or don't don't plug this thing into that or this or that or that and that are funny this or that or that and that are funny this or that or that and that are funny well you know if it makes up hey well you know if it makes up hey well you know if it makes up hey that's good that's good that's good good application I've been I've been good application I've been I've been good application I've been I've been really surprised about the business really surprised about the business really surprised about the business around chat TPT yeah I mean there's around chat TPT yeah I mean there's around chat TPT yeah I mean there's always companies out there that will always companies out there that will always companies out there that will offer you know pay yeah 39.99 and here's offer you know pay yeah 39.99 and here's offer you know pay yeah 39.99 and here's a direction of using some kind of tool a direction of using some kind of tool a direction of using some kind of tool right or whatever yeah yeah but it takes right or whatever yeah yeah but it takes right or whatever yeah yeah but it takes some time before that tool is actually a some time before that tool is actually a some time before that tool is actually a mainstream so that somebody's going to mainstream so that somebody's going to mainstream so that somebody's going to build a business that TPT is like day build a business that TPT is like day build a business that TPT is like day two two two oh yeah there's all these companies that oh yeah there's all these companies that oh yeah there's all these companies that hey pay you know 20 bucks or whatever hey pay you know 20 bucks or whatever hey pay you know 20 bucks or whatever and here's a list of the right way to and here's a list of the right way to and here's a list of the right way to questions it's crazy it's crazy questions it's crazy it's crazy questions it's crazy it's crazy everybody's trying to make money out of everybody's trying to make money out of everybody's trying to make money out of it right now it's it's yeah oh yeah I it right now it's it's yeah oh yeah I it right now it's it's yeah oh yeah I mean it's just like icos and you know mean it's just like icos and you know mean it's just like icos and you know all the get rich quick you know courses all the get rich quick you know courses all the get rich quick you know courses you could take on crypto uh it's exactly you could take on crypto uh it's exactly you could take on crypto uh it's exactly the same the same the same I mean it's exactly the same there is no I mean it's exactly the same there is no I mean it's exactly the same there is no freaking difference I don't care what freaking difference I don't care what freaking difference I don't care what anyone says and I've had this debate anyone says and I've had this debate anyone says and I've had this debate already 15 times this week and it's not already 15 times this week and it's not already 15 times this week and it's not there's no difference it's this I think there's no difference it's this I think there's no difference it's this I think most of them are just one person that most of them are just one person that most of them are just one person that went through and and did 100 questions went through and and did 100 questions went through and and did 100 questions and got a result and then they put it in and got a result and then they put it in and got a result and then they put it in a PowerPoint and now they're selling it a PowerPoint and now they're selling it a PowerPoint and now they're selling it oh yeah box here's an example of how to

oh yeah box here's an example of how to oh yeah box here's an example of how to use it right there you go to this and use it right there you go to this and use it right there you go to this and then people are just making yeah I don't then people are just making yeah I don't then people are just making yeah I don't know if they're making all the prompt know if they're making all the prompt know if they're making all the prompt engineering stuff I'll tell you right engineering stuff I'll tell you right engineering stuff I'll tell you right now the discussions I've had were about now the discussions I've had were about now the discussions I've had were about prompt engineering with some of these prompt engineering with some of these prompt engineering with some of these teams here as well as other companies teams here as well as other companies teams here as well as other companies yeah prompt engineering you can't take yeah prompt engineering you can't take yeah prompt engineering you can't take requests for it you just go and you have requests for it you just go and you have requests for it you just go and you have to figure the scripting out yourself you to figure the scripting out yourself you to figure the scripting out yourself you know um you know and so a lot of these know um you know and so a lot of these know um you know and so a lot of these guys that are doing these courses on guys that are doing these courses on guys that are doing these courses on proper engineering I don't know yeah I'd say it's a hype too I think yeah I'd say it's a hype too I think it's like you hear you make six figures it's like you hear you make six figures it's like you hear you make six figures if you're gonna be the new the new the if you're gonna be the new the new the if you're gonna be the new the new the new uh uh career is like prompt new uh uh career is like prompt new uh uh career is like prompt engineering are you going to make sure engineering are you going to make sure engineering are you going to make sure that's crazy that's crazy yeah my my that's crazy that's crazy yeah my my that's crazy that's crazy yeah my my wife is uh using chat TPT uh but he's wife is uh using chat TPT uh but he's wife is uh using chat TPT uh but he's also very focused on what she's doing also very focused on what she's doing also very focused on what she's doing right but he says you know in uh um right but he says you know in uh um right but he says you know in uh um non-profits and a lot of times you know non-profits and a lot of times you know non-profits and a lot of times you know they get uh in order to get uh funding they get uh in order to get uh funding they get uh in order to get uh funding they'll have to go and and answer a lot they'll have to go and and answer a lot they'll have to go and and answer a lot of questions you know like like a almost of questions you know like like a almost of questions you know like like a almost like a um yeah yeah and she just used like a um yeah yeah and she just used like a um yeah yeah and she just used that to kind of save some time not that to kind of save some time not that to kind of save some time not necessarily that he's going to use it necessarily that he's going to use it necessarily that he's going to use it directly as it goes back but it's just directly as it goes back but it's just directly as it goes back but it's just it's a Time Saver for I think it's a it's a Time Saver for I think it's a it's a Time Saver for I think it's a good time show for the people that know good time show for the people that know good time show for the people that know how to use it yeah but here's the thing how to use it yeah but here's the thing how to use it yeah but here's the thing I I will tell you I I will tell you I I will tell you um the the people that I talked to who um the the people that I talked to who um the the people that I talked to who are Savvy on the technology don't are Savvy on the technology don't are Savvy on the technology don't confuse chat GPT with gpt4 and the confuse chat GPT with gpt4 and the confuse chat GPT with gpt4 and the learning the learning you know large

learning the learning you know large learning the learning you know large learning model right right learning model right right learning model right right um that's totally none of these guys um that's totally none of these guys um that's totally none of these guys they will tell you if you say well have they will tell you if you say well have they will tell you if you say well have you hooked it up to chat chat GPT vocal you hooked it up to chat chat GPT vocal you hooked it up to chat chat GPT vocal no acting way these are all like you no acting way these are all like you no acting way these are all like you know they're either using um even some private right localized um even some private right localized large land language model they're not large land language model they're not large land language model they're not plugging anything into chat GPT and so plugging anything into chat GPT and so plugging anything into chat GPT and so when you go and you see these people when you go and you see these people when you go and you see these people building business applications on top of building business applications on top of building business applications on top of chat GPT chat GPT chat GPT that's super scary stuff people unless that's super scary stuff people unless that's super scary stuff people unless it's called make up you know dot AI it's called make up you know dot AI it's called make up you know dot AI is the name of the company is the name of the company is the name of the company you know think twice you know you know think twice you know you know think twice you know um that the company oh my God you know um that the company oh my God you know um that the company oh my God you know I've been saying a lot of times that you I've been saying a lot of times that you I've been saying a lot of times that you know chat tvt makes stuff up that's what know chat tvt makes stuff up that's what know chat tvt makes stuff up that's what it's supposed to do it's what it's good it's supposed to do it's what it's good it's supposed to do it's what it's good at Big sources and and put different at Big sources and and put different at Big sources and and put different things together as it makes stuff up things together as it makes stuff up things together as it makes stuff up right and if you if you look at the right and if you if you look at the right and if you if you look at the stuff that puts together looks right but stuff that puts together looks right but stuff that puts together looks right but if you look at the individual pieces if you look at the individual pieces if you look at the individual pieces they might not fit together in real life they might not fit together in real life they might not fit together in real life right I mean you can have a you can have right I mean you can have a you can have right I mean you can have a you can have a quote from somebody and that person a quote from somebody and that person a quote from somebody and that person never said it right right right now you never said it right right right now you never said it right right right now you brought that up yeah it's complying Liar brought that up yeah it's complying Liar brought that up yeah it's complying Liar Liar dot a i there you go there you go Liar dot a i there you go there you go Liar dot a i there you go there you go hey you want to come up with a great hey you want to come up with a great hey you want to come up with a great good lie good lie good lie exactly I love it all right let's wrap

exactly I love it all right let's wrap exactly I love it all right let's wrap this thing up man yeah let's wrap this this thing up man yeah let's wrap this this thing up man yeah let's wrap this baby up the third anniversary episode baby up the third anniversary episode baby up the third anniversary episode yeah thanks for joining us Yen really I yeah thanks for joining us Yen really I yeah thanks for joining us Yen really I appreciate it no for sure yeah you do a appreciate it no for sure yeah you do a appreciate it no for sure yeah you do a great job of contributing so hey you great job of contributing so hey you great job of contributing so hey you want to take us out Rob I brought us in want to take us out Rob I brought us in want to take us out Rob I brought us in so you take us out buddy yeah thanks so you take us out buddy yeah thanks so you take us out buddy yeah thanks everybody for joining us on chat GPT everybody for joining us on chat GPT everybody for joining us on chat GPT liar Central I mean iot Coffee Talk liar Central I mean iot Coffee Talk liar Central I mean iot Coffee Talk um third anniversary we've been doing um third anniversary we've been doing um third anniversary we've been doing this a long time you know you can just this a long time you know you can just this a long time you know you can just shout on the YouTubes on the interwebs shout on the YouTubes on the interwebs shout on the YouTubes on the interwebs you know you can check us out on you know you can check us out on you know you can check us out on wherever you get your podcasts uh we are wherever you get your podcasts uh we are wherever you get your podcasts uh we are here every week to give you lots of here every week to give you lots of here every week to give you lots of irreverent banter and maybe some Hidden irreverent banter and maybe some Hidden irreverent banter and maybe some Hidden Gem of knowledge who knows and some Gem of knowledge who knows and some Gem of knowledge who knows and some frozen screens from Leonard you know frozen screens from Leonard you know frozen screens from Leonard you know when he's things like that we do that a lot too we things like that we do that a lot too we need 5G yes we can hear your voice and need 5G yes we can hear your voice and need 5G yes we can hear your voice and your Frozen face exactly just let's just go back to GPRS exactly just let's just go back to GPRS right right right um let's let's scale back anyway thanks um let's let's scale back anyway thanks um let's let's scale back anyway thanks for coming everybody and yeah for coming everybody and yeah for coming everybody and yeah adios yeah adios yeah adios yeah [Music]