IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 190 - Happy 2024 Episode (Who Flung Dung?)

hey hey hey welcome everybody to iot hey hey hey welcome everybody to iot Coffee Talk happy New Year happy 2024 Coffee Talk happy New Year happy 2024 Coffee Talk happy New Year happy 2024 we're still we're still we're still alive live and we'll apologize in alive live and we'll apologize in alive live and we'll apologize in advance we had some technical advance we had some technical advance we had some technical difficulties on our audio for difficulties on our audio for difficulties on our audio for guitar stuff because Leonard's not here guitar stuff because Leonard's not here guitar stuff because Leonard's not here and he knows all the special Zoom and he knows all the special Zoom and he knows all the special Zoom switches and we tried all the zoom switches and we tried all the zoom switches and we tried all the zoom switches we thought we TR to write the switches we thought we TR to write the switches we thought we TR to write the blog post on how to do exactly yeah yeah blog post on how to do exactly yeah yeah blog post on how to do exactly yeah yeah no you're right people still read blogs no you're right people still read blogs no you're right people still read blogs I he maybe I don't know all I he maybe I don't know all I he maybe I don't know all to yeah we asked you to do a Tik Tok to yeah we asked you to do a Tik Tok to yeah we asked you to do a Tik Tok make a Tik Tok on it yeah make a Tik Tok on it yeah make a Tik Tok on it yeah it feels like most a lot of the articles it feels like most a lot of the articles it feels like most a lot of the articles I read these days or blog posts are I read these days or blog posts are I read these days or blog posts are here's how I figured out the ultimate here's how I figured out the ultimate here's how I figured out the ultimate chat GTP promps to create such and such chat GTP promps to create such and such chat GTP promps to create such and such type it this way and ask it to behave type it this way and ask it to behave type it this way and ask it to behave like this and whatever and then you'll like this and whatever and then you'll like this and whatever and then you'll get something cool well you're lucky if get something cool well you're lucky if get something cool well you're lucky if you find a blog post most of those you find a blog post most of those you find a blog post most of those people are trying to sell you a people are trying to sell you a people are trying to sell you a subscription on how to prompt subscription on how to prompt subscription on how to prompt engineer yeah let's talk about that the engineer yeah let's talk about that the engineer yeah let's talk about that the the the profession of prompt engineering the the profession of prompt engineering the the profession of prompt engineering I was joking with someone I'm going to I was joking with someone I'm going to I was joking with someone I'm going to tell my daughters to change their major tell my daughters to change their major tell my daughters to change their major to prompt engineer with a minor in to prompt engineer with a minor in to prompt engineer with a minor in Google Google Google searching that's perfect that's a good searching that's perfect that's a good searching that's perfect that's a good way you know that's why I've been trying way you know that's why I've been trying way you know that's why I've been trying to to convince my daughter because my to to convince my daughter because my to to convince my daughter because my daughter major in English but she has daughter major in English but she has daughter major in English but she has very L little interest in the in how very L little interest in the in how very L little interest in the in how Tech Works she uses a lot of tech but Tech Works she uses a lot of tech but Tech Works she uses a lot of tech but it's not interes how it works language it's not interes how it works language it's not interes how it works language is I mean this is the foundational H is

is I mean this is the foundational H is is I mean this is the foundational H is technology yeah creative Master technology yeah creative Master technology yeah creative Master languages Master languages could play languages Master languages could play languages Master languages could play definitely a role on how to use those definitely a role on how to use those definitely a role on how to use those things better you're a prompt engineer things better you're a prompt engineer things better you're a prompt engineer by definition right I do have hope by definition right I do have hope by definition right I do have hope because she's interesting in everything because she's interesting in everything because she's interesting in everything related to creation and library and all related to creation and library and all related to creation and library and all kind of stuff and to some extent I also kind of stuff and to some extent I also kind of stuff and to some extent I also believe that the same thing the people believe that the same thing the people believe that the same thing the people will be able to create the right text to will be able to create the right text to will be able to create the right text to put into these models I think is also put into these models I think is also put into these models I think is also becoming more and more important will becoming more and more important will becoming more and more important will become more important if if we want to become more important if if we want to become more important if if we want to language model to stop throwing crap at language model to stop throwing crap at language model to stop throwing crap at us back because crap put in to train yes us back because crap put in to train yes us back because crap put in to train yes is it like those monkeys that throwing is it like those monkeys that throwing is it like those monkeys that throwing crap at us or something like that I crap at us or something like that I crap at us or something like that I don't know engineering that's the new don't know engineering that's the new don't know engineering that's the new hot career prompt engineering new hot hot career prompt engineering new hot hot career prompt engineering new hot career we thought it was data scientist career we thought it was data scientist career we thought it was data scientist or something before I don't even know or something before I don't even know or something before I don't even know whatever yeah metaverse technician I whatever yeah metaverse technician I whatever yeah metaverse technician I thought oh I like that whoa that's thought oh I like that whoa that's thought oh I like that whoa that's interesting I like that wow is that the interesting I like that wow is that the interesting I like that wow is that the new name for janitor I'm new name for janitor I'm new name for janitor I'm a remember the janitors are going to be a remember the janitors are going to be a remember the janitors are going to be the billionaires of the future the billionaires of the future the billionaires of the future janitors welders gardeners janitors welders gardeners janitors welders gardeners lawnmowers um lawnmowers um lawnmowers um woodworking well if if the metaverse woodworking well if if the metaverse woodworking well if if the metaverse really ever happen at some point there's really ever happen at some point there's really ever happen at some point there's no reason why humans going to go put the no reason why humans going to go put the no reason why humans going to go put the same mess in the metav war that they put same mess in the metav war that they put same mess in the metav war that they put in the real world so there will be need in the real world so there will be need in the real world so there will be need for people to do the clean up you're for people to do the clean up you're for people to do the clean up you're right you remember remember how excited right you remember remember how excited right you remember remember how excited we we we were I guess however it was a few years

were I guess however it was a few years were I guess however it was a few years ago when Zuckerberg at the beginning of ago when Zuckerberg at the beginning of ago when Zuckerberg at the beginning of the year just like went all in with mene the year just like went all in with mene the year just like went all in with mene changed the name of the company to meta changed the name of the company to meta changed the name of the company to meta and everybody was talking about and everybody was talking about and everybody was talking about metaverse I think we've talked about metaverse I think we've talked about metaverse I think we've talked about this on the show before we went to mwc this on the show before we went to mwc this on the show before we went to mwc and everything was metaverse overnight and everything was metaverse overnight and everything was metaverse overnight even though they didn't know what even though they didn't know what even though they didn't know what they're saying but one thing I liked and they're saying but one thing I liked and they're saying but one thing I liked and it's related to stuff that that you and it's related to stuff that that you and it's related to stuff that that you and I are deep into Demetri was they they I are deep into Demetri was they they I are deep into Demetri was they they said and digital twins are the said and digital twins are the said and digital twins are the foundation of the metaverse and I was foundation of the metaverse and I was foundation of the metaverse and I was like yes like yes like yes finally something I know how to do oh finally something I know how to do oh finally something I know how to do oh thank thank thank God well but you know I I keep on think God well but you know I I keep on think God well but you know I I keep on think thinking and and you and I this thinking and and you and I this thinking and and you and I this conversation but every year I I I I conversation but every year I I I I conversation but every year I I I I reink at the end of the year should I go reink at the end of the year should I go reink at the end of the year should I go back to Industrial internet and digital back to Industrial internet and digital back to Industrial internet and digital Twins and then I end up not so sure the Twins and then I end up not so sure the Twins and then I end up not so sure the problem is you and I know exactly how it problem is you and I know exactly how it problem is you and I know exactly how it works and I don't think that both of the works and I don't think that both of the works and I don't think that both of the people that throw the terms we people that throw the terms we people that throw the terms we understand what it is and what is the understand what it is and what is the understand what it is and what is the value and and these kind of so the the value and and these kind of so the the value and and these kind of so the the concept is still poorly understood I no concept is still poorly understood I no concept is still poorly understood I no you're right um so I did an interesting you're right um so I did an interesting you're right um so I did an interesting thing for work over the month of thing for work over the month of thing for work over the month of December um I've you know been working December um I've you know been working December um I've you know been working on a new um technology you know I've on a new um technology you know I've on a new um technology you know I've been been been re-engineering that Greenhouse platform re-engineering that Greenhouse platform re-engineering that Greenhouse platform that I built for part was partly for that I built for part was partly for that I built for part was partly for agriculture and I was also doing agriculture and I was also doing agriculture and I was also doing emissions stuff with oil and gas and emissions stuff with oil and gas and emissions stuff with oil and gas and then since I've been doing this stuff at then since I've been doing this stuff at then since I've been doing this stuff at Red bison which is around commercial Red bison which is around commercial Red bison which is around commercial real estate and networks and all that real estate and networks and all that real estate and networks and all that I've been re-engineering it so what I I've been re-engineering it so what I I've been re-engineering it so what I did

did did is I built the whole deal where it's is I built the whole deal where it's is I built the whole deal where it's doing digital twins of doing digital twins of doing digital twins of buildings um and so at a you know how buildings um and so at a you know how buildings um and so at a you know how many times have we talked about like many times have we talked about like many times have we talked about like certainly with lumata it's like the certainly with lumata it's like the certainly with lumata it's like the whole Russian doll thing um but it was whole Russian doll thing um but it was whole Russian doll thing um but it was just like digital twins you know you can just like digital twins you know you can just like digital twins you know you can it's composable you go in there you know it's composable you go in there you know it's composable you go in there you know you have like whatever the company is you have like whatever the company is you have like whatever the company is that's in charge and then you you know that's in charge and then you you know that's in charge and then you you know create a building you know create a create a building you know create a create a building you know create a property which let's just say it's a property which let's just say it's a property which let's just say it's a corporate like let's say it's the corporate like let's say it's the corporate like let's say it's the Microsoft campus create the Microsoft Microsoft campus create the Microsoft Microsoft campus create the Microsoft campus then it goes in there and I can campus then it goes in there and I can campus then it goes in there and I can create all the buildings and then for create all the buildings and then for create all the buildings and then for each building create floors and then each building create floors and then each building create floors and then create spaces you know Lobby offices you create spaces you know Lobby offices you create spaces you know Lobby offices you know conference rooms kitchens know conference rooms kitchens know conference rooms kitchens everything uh and then within that and everything uh and then within that and everything uh and then within that and then set properties of all those things then set properties of all those things then set properties of all those things and then you could have iot sensors and then you could have iot sensors and then you could have iot sensors inside those spaces telling you about inside those spaces telling you about inside those spaces telling you about the current state of that space so uh the current state of that space so uh the current state of that space so uh anyway I got the MVP of that out the anyway I got the MVP of that out the anyway I got the MVP of that out the door like door like door like literally the 301 like before going out literally the 301 like before going out literally the 301 like before going out for New Year's Eve party um so there you have it so digital party um so there you have it so digital twins of real buildings you know um twins of real buildings you know um twins of real buildings you know um obviously it's pretty early state of it obviously it's pretty early state of it obviously it's pretty early state of it you know I still have a lot of work to you know I still have a lot of work to you know I still have a lot of work to do but just to get you do you model the do but just to get you do you model the do but just to get you do you model the uh sort of half empty building or the uh sort of half empty building or the uh sort of half empty building or the the yeah right right no no that's a good the yeah right right no no that's a good the yeah right right no no that's a good point you know because ultimately you point you know because ultimately you point you know because ultimately you know you'll populate that thing like

know you'll populate that thing like know you'll populate that thing like occupancy sensors and things like that occupancy sensors and things like that occupancy sensors and things like that that tell you wow there's nobody in your that tell you wow there's nobody in your that tell you wow there's nobody in your building you should turn down turn off building you should turn down turn off building you should turn down turn off that HVAC or the lights I went to a I that HVAC or the lights I went to a I that HVAC or the lights I went to a I went to a meeting with a client went to a meeting with a client went to a meeting with a client yesterday in Downtown Belleview in their yesterday in Downtown Belleview in their yesterday in Downtown Belleview in their office building where they apparently office building where they apparently office building where they apparently have like several hundred people there have like several hundred people there have like several hundred people there it's kind of a engineering thing for a it's kind of a engineering thing for a it's kind of a engineering thing for a big retailer and you know literally big retailer and you know literally big retailer and you know literally there was you know 10 or 12 people in there was you know 10 or 12 people in there was you know 10 or 12 people in there yeah so how how grad do you go there yeah so how how grad do you go there yeah so how how grad do you go with this this approach because the my with this this approach because the my with this this approach because the my view of thing has always been that we view of thing has always been that we view of thing has always been that we tend to build a big digital twin on one tend to build a big digital twin on one tend to build a big digital twin on one thing but ideally what you want to do is thing but ideally what you want to do is thing but ideally what you want to do is you want to have actually basically a you want to have actually basically a you want to have actually basically a standard meeting room a standard office standard meeting room a standard office standard meeting room a standard office room and then you have different room and then you have different room and then you have different instances of these room and they instances of these room and they instances of these room and they actually talk together within the the actually talk together within the the actually talk together within the the the the the concept of you know building the the the concept of you know building the the the concept of you know building one and building two and maybe the one and building two and maybe the one and building two and maybe the meeting room of the same type in meeting room of the same type in meeting room of the same type in building one can talk to the meting in building one can talk to the meting in building one can talk to the meting in building two you go to this kind of building two you go to this kind of building two you go to this kind of level of of granularity I agree with you level of of granularity I agree with you level of of granularity I agree with you and no I didn't do it that way and no I didn't do it that way and no I didn't do it that way um I'm just trying to get something um I'm just trying to get something um I'm just trying to get something basic out the door you know what I mean basic out the door you know what I mean basic out the door you know what I mean it's fine yeah just just trying to it's fine yeah just just trying to it's fine yeah just just trying to because I think you're right we would do because I think you're right we would do because I think you're right we would do things like the digital twin model of a things like the digital twin model of a things like the digital twin model of a meeting room 2011 and it's the same type meeting room 2011 and it's the same type meeting room 2011 and it's the same type and it should have the same and it should have the same and it should have the same configuration and everything in it as configuration and everything in it as configuration and everything in it as the same conference room and all these the same conference room and all these the same conference room and all these other yeah I totally get what you're other yeah I totally get what you're other yeah I totally get what you're saying the next D you might want to go saying the next D you might want to go saying the next D you might want to go as well is uh we should we should talk as well is uh we should we should talk as well is uh we should we should talk about that and is actually you should be

about that and is actually you should be about that and is actually you should be able to model I mean if you have a if able to model I mean if you have a if able to model I mean if you have a if you have um a dishwasher in the kitchen you have um a dishwasher in the kitchen you have um a dishwasher in the kitchen or you have a kind of a special type of or you have a kind of a special type of or you have a kind of a special type of device which has his own digital twin device which has his own digital twin device which has his own digital twin cuz my vision has always been you know cuz my vision has always been you know cuz my vision has always been you know because ideally if you want this to fly because ideally if you want this to fly because ideally if you want this to fly one day you you we we I mean fly in a one day you you we we I mean fly in a one day you you we we I mean fly in a sense that become a more codati sense that become a more codati sense that become a more codati technology you have to make it easy for technology you have to make it easy for technology you have to make it easy for others to use and it's only going to others to use and it's only going to others to use and it's only going to work if you start having catalogs so you work if you start having catalogs so you work if you start having catalogs so you have a catalog of basic room you have a have a catalog of basic room you have a have a catalog of basic room you have a catalog of coffee machine you have catalog of coffee machine you have catalog of coffee machine you have catalog when you creating your your are catalog when you creating your your are catalog when you creating your your are digitizing because what you're doing is digitizing because what you're doing is digitizing because what you're doing is what people don't understand is that what people don't understand is that what people don't understand is that you're not creating digital twins for you're not creating digital twins for you're not creating digital twins for the sake of digital twins you're taking the sake of digital twins you're taking the sake of digital twins you're taking a physical system and you're digitizing a physical system and you're digitizing a physical system and you're digitizing it with the promise that when it's it with the promise that when it's it with the promise that when it's digitized you can interact with it more digitized you can interact with it more digitized you can interact with it more more effectively yeah you're tot right I more effectively yeah you're tot right I more effectively yeah you're tot right I had an extremely hard time making people had an extremely hard time making people had an extremely hard time making people dis understand that g because which dis understand that g because which dis understand that g because which which was weird because G the idea of which was weird because G the idea of which was weird because G the idea of digital TR came from the operational of digital TR came from the operational of digital TR came from the operational of assets yeah running those engines they assets yeah running those engines they assets yeah running those engines they want to understand better when you need want to understand better when you need want to understand better when you need to maintain them what is the current to maintain them what is the current to maintain them what is the current state is their future stage so we build state is their future stage so we build state is their future stage so we build digital twin for a reason but somewhere digital twin for a reason but somewhere digital twin for a reason but somewhere in the industry became just the bzw oh I in the industry became just the bzw oh I in the industry became just the bzw oh I have a digital twin I'm have a digital twin I'm have a digital twin I'm fine you come from G did should I be fine you come from G did should I be fine you come from G did should I be able to uh just kind of walk around my able to uh just kind of walk around my able to uh just kind of walk around my office building with a video and then office building with a video and then office building with a video and then you know feed that into my generative AI you know feed that into my generative AI you know feed that into my generative AI model and then the the you know the model and then the the you know the model and then the the you know the model creates all the digital twin model creates all the digital twin model creates all the digital twin assets based on all the geometry and assets based on all the geometry and assets based on all the geometry and configurations and things that it and

configurations and things that it and configurations and things that it and that but that's also it's very that but that's also it's very that but that's also it's very interesting you say because that that's interesting you say because that that's interesting you say because that that's an aspect two things with with this an aspect two things with with this an aspect two things with with this approaches first of all you can actually approaches first of all you can actually approaches first of all you can actually generate you and actually they are lead generate you and actually they are lead generate you and actually they are lead systems or whatever but you can that to systems or whatever but you can that to systems or whatever but you can that to navigate the place from a remote navigate the place from a remote navigate the place from a remote location as well but people T to favor location as well but people T to favor location as well but people T to favor the visual aspect that also one of my the visual aspect that also one of my the visual aspect that also one of my strug G I was saying well this is the strug G I was saying well this is the strug G I was saying well this is the last M okay because I always you want last M okay because I always you want last M okay because I always you want the data and the metadata once you have the data and the metadata once you have the data and the metadata once you have that then you can put a layer of that then you can put a layer of that then you can put a layer of visualization you use the visualization visualization you use the visualization visualization you use the visualization to generate the metadata like you that's to generate the metadata like you that's to generate the metadata like you that's interesting too yeah yeah if they can I interesting too yeah yeah if they can I interesting too yeah yeah if they can I don't know if that's possible because don't know if that's possible because don't know if that's possible because you're right I've talked to you know you're right I've talked to you know you're right I've talked to you know we've had too many digital twin we've had too many digital twin we've had too many digital twin conversations in real life uh business conversations in real life uh business conversations in real life uh business and I've seen people that they say yeah and I've seen people that they say yeah and I've seen people that they say yeah we did a digital twin and we walked we did a digital twin and we walked we did a digital twin and we walked around with lar and we scanned it around with lar and we scanned it around with lar and we scanned it everything and then we have this scan of everything and then we have this scan of everything and then we have this scan of whatever the thing is a oil rig or a whatever the thing is a oil rig or a whatever the thing is a oil rig or a building and then a lot of people would building and then a lot of people would building and then a lot of people would say wow it's really cool we don't we say wow it's really cool we don't we say wow it's really cool we don't we didn't do anything with it after that we didn't do anything with it after that we didn't do anything with it after that we don't know what we have and what they don't know what we have and what they don't know what we have and what they had was a visual thing that was cool had was a visual thing that was cool had was a visual thing that was cool and so you could say what I'm doing and so you could say what I'm doing and so you could say what I'm doing seems primitive because I start with the seems primitive because I start with the seems primitive because I start with the raw data like this is a building and raw data like this is a building and raw data like this is a building and then you can put metadata and it's all then you can put metadata and it's all then you can put metadata and it's all it's data it's text it's data types it's it's data it's text it's data types it's it's data it's text it's data types it's things like that can be acted on and my things like that can be acted on and my things like that can be acted on and my view of the digital twin is digital twin view of the digital twin is digital twin view of the digital twin is digital twin is a data model you can have a view of is a data model you can have a view of is a data model you can have a view of the data model like the the data itself the data model like the the data itself the data model like the the data itself should be able to create the should be able to create the should be able to create the visualization or you may be augmented

visualization or you may be augmented visualization or you may be augmented with photography or lar or whatever with photography or lar or whatever with photography or lar or whatever right but I've seen people go from just right but I've seen people go from just right but I've seen people go from just lar only and they actually don't have lar only and they actually don't have lar only and they actually don't have any of the underlying data you want you any of the underlying data you want you any of the underlying data you want you want a living system yeah that's what I want a living system yeah that's what I want a living system yeah that's what I was saying like gen could take the was saying like gen could take the was saying like gen could take the visuals of the room you know and and visuals of the room you know and and visuals of the room you know and and then also you could look at the lighting then also you could look at the lighting then also you could look at the lighting and it could sort of create assets on and it could sort of create assets on and it could sort of create assets on the Fly based on its library of cuz the Fly based on its library of cuz the Fly based on its library of cuz you're right what you'd like it to do at you're right what you'd like it to do at you're right what you'd like it to do at a simple level is I do the wiar of a a simple level is I do the wiar of a a simple level is I do the wiar of a conference room and will dynamically conference room and will dynamically conference room and will dynamically create the metadata that I put like in create the metadata that I put like in create the metadata that I put like in the database that says the room is 10 ft the database that says the room is 10 ft the database that says the room is 10 ft by 12T and lighting and you and you get by 12T and lighting and you and you get by 12T and lighting and you and you get really specific because then because really specific because then because really specific because then because when you want to add iot and analytics when you want to add iot and analytics when you want to add iot and analytics and AI to it you need to it all has to and AI to it you need to it all has to and AI to it you need to it all has to be datab based yeah with data types and be datab based yeah with data types and be datab based yeah with data types and units and measure and stuff like that so units and measure and stuff like that so units and measure and stuff like that so that it can interact with it and go oh that it can interact with it and go oh that it can interact with it and go oh yeah I noticed there's not very many yeah I noticed there's not very many yeah I noticed there's not very many people in here and it's this big and people in here and it's this big and people in here and it's this big and there's this volume of a room could there's this volume of a room could there's this volume of a room could support this many people and the support this many people and the support this many people and the temperature is going to go up by this temperature is going to go up by this temperature is going to go up by this much and so we're going to manipulate much and so we're going to manipulate much and so we're going to manipulate the HVAC system you like that the HVAC system you like that the HVAC system you like that right yeah although going back to my right yeah although going back to my right yeah although going back to my earlier point you should just assume not earlier point you should just assume not earlier point you should just assume not too many people are in there I think too many people are in there I think too many people are in there I think that would be just it's easier than we that would be just it's easier than we that would be just it's easier than we think we're worried too much about think we're worried too much about think we're worried too much about something that's nothing there's nobody something that's nothing there's nobody something that's nothing there's nobody there nobody's in the room if they're there nobody's in the room if they're there nobody's in the room if they're really at the end of the day I wait till really at the end of the day I wait till really at the end of the day I wait till the next Co and would be empty again so the next Co and would be empty again so the next Co and would be empty again so we built a digital twin of the Moon and we built a digital twin of the Moon and we built a digital twin of the Moon and nobody's there and nobody's there's no nobody's there and nobody's there's no nobody's there and nobody's there's no machines doing anything it's a real

machines doing anything it's a real machines doing anything it's a real tragedy yeah oh well OHS in the forest tragedy yeah oh well OHS in the forest tragedy yeah oh well OHS in the forest you know what happens exactly exactly we you know what happens exactly exactly we you know what happens exactly exactly we still haven't we still haven't been back still haven't we still haven't been back still haven't we still haven't been back so many years ago yeah how do we think so many years ago yeah how do we think so many years ago yeah how do we think how do we think do we think this we've how do we think do we think this we've how do we think do we think this we've talked about this before do we think talked about this before do we think talked about this before do we think this whole low occupancy return to this whole low occupancy return to this whole low occupancy return to office the whole building thing is that office the whole building thing is that office the whole building thing is that going to get I think we've reached a going to get I think we've reached a going to get I think we've reached a with the data I've seen is we've reached with the data I've seen is we've reached with the data I've seen is we've reached a plateau you know we've reached a a plateau you know we've reached a a plateau you know we've reached a plateau 50% is or whatever and yeah part plateau 50% is or whatever and yeah part plateau 50% is or whatever and yeah part of it is probably there was um an over of it is probably there was um an over of it is probably there was um an over Reliance on inperson to begin with Reliance on inperson to begin with Reliance on inperson to begin with because the technology wasn't good because the technology wasn't good because the technology wasn't good enough to support remote now the enough to support remote now the enough to support remote now the technology is much better yeah I was technology is much better yeah I was technology is much better yeah I was just doing a podcast with someone and we just doing a podcast with someone and we just doing a podcast with someone and we were just talking about yeah like that were just talking about yeah like that were just talking about yeah like that forced a real upgrade in everyone's you forced a real upgrade in everyone's you forced a real upgrade in everyone's you know networking and microphones and know networking and microphones and know networking and microphones and cameras and so you know I think we've cameras and so you know I think we've cameras and so you know I think we've reached a plateau and we've also built reached a plateau and we've also built reached a plateau and we've also built some habits for a lot of a lot of some habits for a lot of a lot of some habits for a lot of a lot of professions yeah Impressions that sadly professions yeah Impressions that sadly professions yeah Impressions that sadly may be replaced by AI at some may be replaced by AI at some may be replaced by AI at some point where people are working remote point where people are working remote point where people are working remote and you know it it saves commute time it and you know it it saves commute time it and you know it it saves commute time it saves Carbon on the on the highways it saves Carbon on the on the highways it saves Carbon on the on the highways it saves you know uh more time to get you saves you know uh more time to get you saves you know uh more time to get you know spend with your kids or pick them know spend with your kids or pick them know spend with your kids or pick them up from school so I think we've reached up from school so I think we've reached up from school so I think we've reached a plateau and I think we just people a plateau and I think we just people a plateau and I think we just people just need to kind of internalize that just need to kind of internalize that just need to kind of internalize that but I don't know so do we think is it a but I don't know so do we think is it a but I don't know so do we think is it a Tuesday Wednesday Thursday hybrid thing Tuesday Wednesday Thursday hybrid thing Tuesday Wednesday Thursday hybrid thing or is it just all over the map or or is it just all over the map or or is it just all over the map or depends right I mean when I was you know depends right I mean when I was you know depends right I mean when I was you know at Microsoft I hired a bunch of people

at Microsoft I hired a bunch of people at Microsoft I hired a bunch of people during covid in different parts of the during covid in different parts of the during covid in different parts of the country and they they're still there you country and they they're still there you country and they they're still there you know in Chicago and Southern Cal and know in Chicago and Southern Cal and know in Chicago and Southern Cal and that's just the way it is so you hired that's just the way it is so you hired that's just the way it is so you hired those same people working at Amazon they those same people working at Amazon they those same people working at Amazon they may not still be there that's may not still be there that's may not still be there that's true they're like get your ass back in true they're like get your ass back in true they're like get your ass back in the office or you're fired it doesn't the office or you're fired it doesn't the office or you're fired it doesn't matter what your manager told you when matter what your manager told you when matter what your manager told you when they hired you I did have someone I they hired you I did have someone I they hired you I did have someone I talked to a colleague at talked to a colleague at talked to a colleague at AT&T and she's pretty senior person and AT&T and she's pretty senior person and AT&T and she's pretty senior person and she was uh told you need to move to she was uh told you need to move to she was uh told you need to move to Dallas uh you know to be part of this Dallas uh you know to be part of this Dallas uh you know to be part of this thing and she you know had a family and thing and she you know had a family and thing and she you know had a family and and her husband was working and stuff and her husband was working and stuff and her husband was working and stuff and so she didn't do that so she she and so she didn't do that so she she and so she didn't do that so she she left she left AT&T and they lost a left she left AT&T and they lost a left she left AT&T and they lost a really good really good employee real really good really good employee real really good really good employee real senior person uh just because of this senior person uh just because of this senior person uh just because of this Geo issue and I'm like is that really Geo issue and I'm like is that really Geo issue and I'm like is that really worth it to but you know to each his own worth it to but you know to each his own worth it to but you know to each his own I guess there is a ton of value I guess there is a ton of value I guess there is a ton of value especially for early in career and folks especially for early in career and folks especially for early in career and folks to be there in person to be part of the to be there in person to be part of the to be there in person to be part of the conversation around the coffee maker and conversation around the coffee maker and conversation around the coffee maker and all that if it's possible yeah and all that if it's possible yeah and all that if it's possible yeah and actually beyond that so interesting you actually beyond that so interesting you actually beyond that so interesting you say that because I had this conversation say that because I had this conversation say that because I had this conversation with a friend of mine in France and and with a friend of mine in France and and with a friend of mine in France and and she's a she's um she's a kind of CFO she's a she's um she's a kind of CFO she's a she's um she's a kind of CFO level in one of the branches of level in one of the branches of level in one of the branches of Accenture and she's been as Accenture Accenture and she's been as Accenture Accenture and she's been as Accenture like 15 20 years something like that and like 15 20 years something like that and like 15 20 years something like that and she was telling me well the the impact she was telling me well the the impact she was telling me well the the impact she sees that for the younger generation she sees that for the younger generation she sees that for the younger generation uh you know you this is how you meet uh you know you this is how you meet uh you know you this is how you meet people I mean in your in personal life people I mean in your in personal life people I mean in your in personal life by being in person so I think that the

by being in person so I think that the by being in person so I think that the impact would be different on different impact would be different on different impact would be different on different layers of generation you know our layers of generation you know our layers of generation you know our generation you know we we we build our generation you know we we we build our generation you know we we we build our Network we know we have our friends I Network we know we have our friends I Network we know we have our friends I mean one or two new friends per year but mean one or two new friends per year but mean one or two new friends per year but I mean the core of our social I mean the core of our social I mean the core of our social interaction probably stable but if interaction probably stable but if interaction probably stable but if you're in your 20s it is your first or you're in your 20s it is your first or you're in your 20s it is your first or second job how do you meet people online second job how do you meet people online second job how do you meet people online at work I'm not so sure so I think that at work I'm not so sure so I think that at work I'm not so sure so I think that could be the that could have actually a could be the that could have actually a could be the that could have actually a pretty devastating impact pretty devastating impact pretty devastating impact so this way I definitely encourage so this way I definitely encourage so this way I definitely encourage people to be there I I I go down to the people to be there I I I go down to the people to be there I I I go down to the Bay Area now from here I'm in belly Bay Area now from here I'm in belly Bay Area now from here I'm in belly Washington I go to the Bay Area once a Washington I go to the Bay Area once a Washington I go to the Bay Area once a month I spend a few days down there just month I spend a few days down there just month I spend a few days down there just doing face to face with people that yeah doing face to face with people that yeah doing face to face with people that yeah sure I could jump on a teams call but sure I could jump on a teams call but sure I could jump on a teams call but it's just better to get that you know it's just better to get that you know it's just better to get that you know energy in person and uh so I I think energy in person and uh so I I think energy in person and uh so I I think people just need to find the balance people just need to find the balance people just need to find the balance like you said depending on their life like you said depending on their life like you said depending on their life stage what their career is you know what stage what their career is you know what stage what their career is you know what their job is but certainly I think as their job is but certainly I think as their job is but certainly I think as skew younger and earlier in career the skew younger and earlier in career the skew younger and earlier in career the more in person the better yeah more in person the better yeah more in person the better yeah dri is that is fr let's just talk about dri is that is fr let's just talk about dri is that is fr let's just talk about France for instance you know is it the France for instance you know is it the France for instance you know is it the same thing going on there as we have in same thing going on there as we have in same thing going on there as we have in the US is this a global thing is the US is this a global thing is the US is this a global thing is everyone working from home is everyone everyone working from home is everyone everyone working from home is everyone doing Zoom calls and team calls I think doing Zoom calls and team calls I think doing Zoom calls and team calls I think it's pretty much I mean I haven't done it's pretty much I mean I haven't done it's pretty much I mean I haven't done detail research there I'm not that much detail research there I'm not that much detail research there I'm not that much in contact with that many people uh I in contact with that many people uh I in contact with that many people uh I know that in the case of Accenture she know that in the case of Accenture she know that in the case of Accenture she still has the flexibility to do kind of still has the flexibility to do kind of still has the flexibility to do kind of you know remote and in person that she's you know remote and in person that she's you know remote and in person that she's is very senior as well so so the more is very senior as well so so the more is very senior as well so so the more senior you are you have different senior you are you have different senior you are you have different interactions so I don't think it's

interactions so I don't think it's interactions so I don't think it's significantly off uh I think people are significantly off uh I think people are significantly off uh I think people are probably happy to go back to the coffee probably happy to go back to the coffee probably happy to go back to the coffee machine because there's a lot of culture machine because there's a lot of culture machine because there's a lot of culture of of chatting as well so it's but it's of of chatting as well so it's but it's of of chatting as well so it's but it's I mean in Paris it's also in I mean in I mean in Paris it's also in I mean in I mean in Paris it's also in I mean in places where commute you I we have mass places where commute you I we have mass places where commute you I we have mass transportation people always believe transportation people always believe transportation people always believe that mass transportation is fantastic that mass transportation is fantastic that mass transportation is fantastic seen from the US in Europe but if you seen from the US in Europe but if you seen from the US in Europe but if you have to take the tube at 8:00 a.m. the have to take the tube at 8:00 a.m. the have to take the tube at 8:00 a.m. the morning it's not fantastic that's right morning it's not fantastic that's right morning it's not fantastic that's right like Tokyo where they shove you into the like Tokyo where they shove you into the like Tokyo where they shove you into the train well it's like in Tokyo plus the train well it's like in Tokyo plus the train well it's like in Tokyo plus the smell I'm smell I'm smell I'm sorry it's not necessarily because there sorry it's not necessarily because there sorry it's not necessarily because there is obviously there's the potential bad is obviously there's the potential bad is obviously there's the potential bad body order but you have the just the the body order but you have the just the the body order but you have the just the the mixture of fragrances I mean when you mixture of fragrances I mean when you mixture of fragrances I mean when you it's I'm very sensitive to that but when it's I'm very sensitive to that but when it's I'm very sensitive to that but when you're in the pack tube in the morning you're in the pack tube in the morning you're in the pack tube in the morning and everybody is a different fragance and everybody is a different fragance and everybody is a different fragance it's kind of a very very bad cocktail it's kind of a very very bad cocktail it's kind of a very very bad cocktail yeah yeah yeah have you guys been on the yeah yeah yeah have you guys been on the yeah yeah yeah have you guys been on the subway in in Tokyo where they shove you subway in in Tokyo where they shove you subway in in Tokyo where they shove you in there because I've done that in the in there because I've done that in the in there because I've done that in the mornings it like one time pretty wild mornings it like one time pretty wild mornings it like one time pretty wild it's pretty wild as a I'm I'm like a you it's pretty wild as a I'm I'm like a you it's pretty wild as a I'm I'm like a you know 61 I'm a fairly larger person in know 61 I'm a fairly larger person in know 61 I'm a fairly larger person in general for general for general for that culture and so for me I was like I that culture and so for me I was like I that culture and so for me I was like I could easily like kind of just shove my could easily like kind of just shove my could easily like kind of just shove my way in there yeah um but yeah they have way in there yeah um but yeah they have way in there yeah um but yeah they have those guys with the white gloves and those guys with the white gloves and those guys with the white gloves and they just really Jam you in there and uh they just really Jam you in there and uh they just really Jam you in there and uh it's crazy it's it's crazy it's it's crazy it's but you know that's the way it's been but you know that's the way it's been but you know that's the way it's been for a long time and obviously they took for a long time and obviously they took for a long time and obviously they took a break during but um you the morning a break during but um you the morning a break during but um you the morning commute is always uh always an

commute is always uh always an commute is always uh always an interesting challenge for folks but yeah interesting challenge for folks but yeah interesting challenge for folks but yeah that's a good point when you talk about that's a good point when you talk about that's a good point when you talk about when you better like you because you when you better like you because you when you better like you because you know Paris has a great Metro System you know Paris has a great Metro System you know Paris has a great Metro System you can get anywhere easily quickly um and can get anywhere easily quickly um and can get anywhere easily quickly um and you know it's funny when you talk about you know it's funny when you talk about you know it's funny when you talk about not being in person here's my takeway I not being in person here's my takeway I not being in person here's my takeway I did so much work in France when I was at did so much work in France when I was at did so much work in France when I was at Microsoft like lots I was doing tons of Microsoft like lots I was doing tons of Microsoft like lots I was doing tons of stuff with sncf and God def France and stuff with sncf and God def France and stuff with sncf and God def France and lots of folks and I just remember here's lots of folks and I just remember here's lots of folks and I just remember here's how here's a morning in France walk in how here's a morning in France walk in how here's a morning in France walk in the door and everybody has to walk up to the door and everybody has to walk up to the door and everybody has to walk up to everybody and shake their hands you know everybody and shake their hands you know everybody and shake their hands you know like that's the deal you walk in and like that's the deal you walk in and like that's the deal you walk in and everyone and new people and if it's a everyone and new people and if it's a everyone and new people and if it's a woman you got to do the kiss kiss thing woman you got to do the kiss kiss thing woman you got to do the kiss kiss thing and stuff like that so there's a lot of and stuff like that so there's a lot of and stuff like that so there's a lot of time around that do some work go to time around that do some work go to time around that do some work go to lunch have steak and wine at lunch for lunch have steak and wine at lunch for lunch have steak and wine at lunch for time you know then go get espresso you time you know then go get espresso you time you know then go get espresso you know after that then get back to the know after that then get back to the know after that then get back to the office for maybe a couple hours then go office for maybe a couple hours then go office for maybe a couple hours then go do another espresso bake you know how do another espresso bake you know how do another espresso bake you know how you're standing around the high table you're standing around the high table you're standing around the high table doing your espresso deal smoke breaks doing your espresso deal smoke breaks doing your espresso deal smoke breaks because everybody smokes you know and so because everybody smokes you know and so because everybody smokes you know and so uh you might get in a good maybe four uh you might get in a good maybe four uh you might get in a good maybe four hours of work maybe for that you know hours of work maybe for that you know hours of work maybe for that you know but I it's a little bit of a cliche but I it's a little bit of a cliche but I it's a little bit of a cliche because I mean it is true especially because I mean it is true especially because I mean it is true especially when you have a visitors your foreigners when you have a visitors your foreigners when you have a visitors your foreigners come you know from a from a third party come you know from a from a third party come you know from a from a third party or you do these kind of breaks but but or you do these kind of breaks but but or you do these kind of breaks but but usually in an everyday life I me I me usually in an everyday life I me I me usually in an everyday life I me I me when I I was close based in Paris back when I I was close based in Paris back when I I was close based in Paris back uh uh uh 202000 to 2007 before I moved to the US 202000 to 2007 before I moved to the US 202000 to 2007 before I moved to the US and after I was in the UK I mean I would

and after I was in the UK I mean I would and after I was in the UK I mean I would I would rarely see anyone taking wine at I would rarely see anyone taking wine at I would rarely see anyone taking wine at lunch I mean on a regular day unless you lunch I mean on a regular day unless you lunch I mean on a regular day unless you know we have a customer meetings and know we have a customer meetings and know we have a customer meetings and then we get the so so it's a little bit then we get the so so it's a little bit then we get the so so it's a little bit of a cliche I agree with you now if of a cliche I agree with you now if of a cliche I agree with you now if there is kind of a customer meeting or there is kind of a customer meeting or there is kind of a customer meeting or we know it's an important meeting and we know it's an important meeting and we know it's an important meeting and and there's kind of those lunch building and there's kind of those lunch building and there's kind of those lunch building then it is the real will take 3 hours then it is the real will take 3 hours then it is the real will take 3 hours but on every day when you go to work and but on every day when you go to work and but on every day when you go to work and you're just doing your normal work now you're just doing your normal work now you're just doing your normal work now you're right in the sense that the you're right in the sense that the you're right in the sense that the coffee break or the or do the cooler the coffee break or the or do the cooler the coffee break or the or do the cooler the cooler or the coffee machine you have cooler or the coffee machine you have cooler or the coffee machine you have some people say 45 minutes there in the some people say 45 minutes there in the some people say 45 minutes there in the morning 45 minutes at lunch and 45 morning 45 minutes at lunch and 45 morning 45 minutes at lunch and 45 minutes at 4M so that it's more there minutes at 4M so that it's more there minutes at 4M so that it's more there that you have the the kind of that you have the the kind of that you have the the kind of productivity elements but it's productivity elements but it's productivity elements but it's interesting all these things we're interesting all these things we're interesting all these things we're talking about these are all the things talking about these are all the things talking about these are all the things that we miss if we're not in in the that we miss if we're not in in the that we miss if we're not in in the office yeah you know the commute these office yeah you know the commute these office yeah you know the commute these interactions these Customs um they all interactions these Customs um they all interactions these Customs um they all get kind of uh watered down when we all get kind of uh watered down when we all get kind of uh watered down when we all just turn into screens little squares on just turn into screens little squares on just turn into screens little squares on the screen so I hope I hope that we can the screen so I hope I hope that we can the screen so I hope I hope that we can bring it back but what I think is going bring it back but what I think is going bring it back but what I think is going to happen too is you know especially as to happen too is you know especially as to happen too is you know especially as we get more aib based agency and more we get more aib based agency and more we get more aib based agency and more agents working on our behalf I suspect agents working on our behalf I suspect agents working on our behalf I suspect we'll be able to send our agents to some we'll be able to send our agents to some we'll be able to send our agents to some of these electronic meetings on our of these electronic meetings on our of these electronic meetings on our behalf to take notes and collect actions behalf to take notes and collect actions behalf to take notes and collect actions right and then eventually like the AI right and then eventually like the AI right and then eventually like the AI agents will just start meeting with each agents will just start meeting with each agents will just start meeting with each other like Rob's AI agent we'll meet other like Rob's AI agent we'll meet other like Rob's AI agent we'll meet with my AI agent blah blah blah this with my AI agent blah blah blah this with my AI agent blah blah blah this will all be happening like you know for will all be happening like you know for will all be happening like you know for Sleep somewhere sleep you know yeah and

Sleep somewhere sleep you know yeah and Sleep somewhere sleep you know yeah and you know this is the beginning of where you know this is the beginning of where you know this is the beginning of where they start to realize they do not need they start to realize they do not need they start to realize they do not need us that's us that's us that's right they got the Avatar and the AI right they got the Avatar and the AI right they got the Avatar and the AI agent they're all meeting and they're agent they're all meeting and they're agent they're all meeting and they're all getting work done and then someone's all getting work done and then someone's all getting work done and then someone's like wait a minut why do we need Pete like wait a minut why do we need Pete like wait a minut why do we need Pete and Rob anyway I mean Jesus Christ This and Rob anyway I mean Jesus Christ This and Rob anyway I mean Jesus Christ This is actually one of the reason why I do is actually one of the reason why I do is actually one of the reason why I do believe that you know to me we need to believe that you know to me we need to believe that you know to me we need to really think about how we use this really think about how we use this really think about how we use this technology as an extens a doation of the technology as an extens a doation of the technology as an extens a doation of the human and this is why to some extent I human and this is why to some extent I human and this is why to some extent I think that the concept of digital twin think that the concept of digital twin think that the concept of digital twin should be much more really personalized should be much more really personalized should be much more really personalized and because the problem of all those a and because the problem of all those a and because the problem of all those a lot of those twins is that they're not lot of those twins is that they're not lot of those twins is that they're not real twins I mean they are actually real real twins I mean they are actually real real twins I mean they are actually real twins but they're not what I would call twins but they're not what I would call twins but they're not what I would call a digital self because what you want is a digital self because what you want is a digital self because what you want is a digital self you want something that a digital self you want something that a digital self you want something that represent you but is constantly represent you but is constantly represent you but is constantly connected to you so if it does something connected to you so if it does something connected to you so if it does something you you were not supposed you actually you you were not supposed you actually you you were not supposed you actually know as a person it's not a separate know as a person it's not a separate know as a person it's not a separate entity which is very often actually this entity which is very often actually this entity which is very often actually this kind of concept right kind of concept right kind of concept right otherwise you want that agent though to otherwise you want that agent though to otherwise you want that agent though to be able to transcend platforms I mean be able to transcend platforms I mean be able to transcend platforms I mean that's the thing where true I think a that's the thing where true I think a that's the thing where true I think a lot of folks like yeah you can go to lot of folks like yeah you can go to lot of folks like yeah you can go to Bing chat and you can ask a question or Bing chat and you can ask a question or Bing chat and you can ask a question or you can go to your aipc and do something you can go to your aipc and do something you can go to your aipc and do something but where's the agent that kind of but where's the agent that kind of but where's the agent that kind of transcends the platform and you this is transcends the platform and you this is transcends the platform and you this is where I think apple and stuff like with where I think apple and stuff like with where I think apple and stuff like with iPhone and other things I think that iPhone and other things I think that iPhone and other things I think that there could be something there where there could be something there where there could be something there where they you know Siri becomes more of a they you know Siri becomes more of a they you know Siri becomes more of a personal agent that can transcend personal agent that can transcend personal agent that can transcend platforms and you you know work on your platforms and you you know work on your platforms and you you know work on your behalf I think that's the next level behalf I think that's the next level behalf I think that's the next level Beyond this you know C poem If sir was Beyond this you know C poem If sir was Beyond this you know C poem If sir was not connected to Apple she would do not connected to Apple she would do not connected to Apple she would do exactly what you described but Apple exactly what you described but Apple exactly what you described but Apple were like

were like were like true someone's gonna figure it out true someone's gonna figure it out true someone's gonna figure it out someone's gonna figure it out just like someone's gonna figure it out just like someone's gonna figure it out just like our customers are not asking for the our customers are not asking for the our customers are not asking for the Android version of this so we're not Android version of this so we're not Android version of this so we're not going to build it like the whole green going to build it like the whole green going to build it like the whole green bubble blue bubble messenger thing you bubble blue bubble messenger thing you bubble blue bubble messenger thing you know Android's like come on come to the know Android's like come on come to the know Android's like come on come to the party of RCs you know Tim Cook's like party of RCs you know Tim Cook's like party of RCs you know Tim Cook's like our iPhone customers are not asking for our iPhone customers are not asking for our iPhone customers are not asking for that and we're not going to do it so you that and we're not going to do it so you that and we're not going to do it so you still be a green bubble second class still be a green bubble second class still be a green bubble second class Citizen and another cast but even within Citizen and another cast but even within Citizen and another cast but even within the Apple this could be the Apple the Apple this could be the Apple the Apple this could be the Apple ecosystem as like agency you know you ecosystem as like agency you know you ecosystem as like agency you know you know your digital twin your personal know your digital twin your personal know your digital twin your personal digital twin you know becomes Siri that digital twin you know becomes Siri that digital twin you know becomes Siri that works across platform um Mac to phone to works across platform um Mac to phone to works across platform um Mac to phone to whatever to kind like back in the 90s whatever to kind like back in the 90s whatever to kind like back in the 90s when we were excited initially about when we were excited initially about when we were excited initially about Java running everywhere and yeah so Java running everywhere and yeah so Java running everywhere and yeah so that's what I was about to say were you that's what I was about to say were you that's what I was about to say were you going are we going back to discuss about going are we going back to discuss about going are we going back to discuss about an open an open an open discussion so open soft so the the discussion so open soft so the the discussion so open soft so the the challenge is going to be the the is challenge is going to be the the is challenge is going to be the the is always the same it's going to be the always the same it's going to be the always the same it's going to be the revenue models and uh if you look if you revenue models and uh if you look if you revenue models and uh if you look if you look at that in details I mean you have look at that in details I mean you have look at that in details I mean you have the kind of the the Apple close the kind of the the Apple close the kind of the the Apple close ecosystem where you pay for it but you ecosystem where you pay for it but you ecosystem where you pay for it but you quite protect it with your data then you quite protect it with your data then you quite protect it with your data then you have the rest of the world which is you have the rest of the world which is you have the rest of the world which is you steal your data and sell it as steal your data and sell it as steal your data and sell it as otherizing sure well hopefully it's not otherizing sure well hopefully it's not otherizing sure well hopefully it's not Advertising based because that's always Advertising based because that's always Advertising based because that's always yeah that's what I'm that's what I'm yeah that's what I'm that's what I'm yeah that's what I'm that's what I'm concerned because would people pay for concerned because would people pay for concerned because would people pay for it on their individual basis probably it on their individual basis probably it on their individual basis probably the three of us in the room will the the three of us in the room will the the three of us in the room will the majority I don't think so so there's a majority I don't think so so there's a majority I don't think so so there's a big education you know layer that we big education you know layer that we big education you know layer that we need to that because all go in that need to that because all go in that need to that because all go in that direction but yeah how it gets there is

direction but yeah how it gets there is direction but yeah how it gets there is going to be pretty messy obvious I mean going to be pretty messy obvious I mean going to be pretty messy obvious I mean I I mean I think I touched on that two I I mean I think I touched on that two I I mean I think I touched on that two weeks ago but the the level of targeting weeks ago but the the level of targeting weeks ago but the the level of targeting an arment by advertising with reaching an arment by advertising with reaching an arment by advertising with reaching nowadays is I think it's incredible it's nowadays is I think it's incredible it's nowadays is I think it's incredible it's yeah yeah no you're right it's yeah yeah no you're right it's yeah yeah no you're right it's awful personal digital twins that's what awful personal digital twins that's what awful personal digital twins that's what we j2me digital twins on your flip phone we j2me digital twins on your flip phone we j2me digital twins on your flip phone there you go no running on a Qualcomm there you go no running on a Qualcomm there you go no running on a Qualcomm Brew that's a qualcom brew there you go Brew that's a qualcom brew there you go Brew that's a qualcom brew there you go yeah you know um you know it's funny I yeah you know um you know it's funny I yeah you know um you know it's funny I remember Steve Balmer would rail against remember Steve Balmer would rail against remember Steve Balmer would rail against you know Sun Micro Systems you they're you know Sun Micro Systems you they're you know Sun Micro Systems you they're like how stupid are they they don't know like how stupid are they they don't know like how stupid are they they don't know about capitalism 101 they got this J2 about capitalism 101 they got this J2 about capitalism 101 they got this J2 thing that they're giving away for free thing that they're giving away for free thing that they're giving away for free and and we we would charge a dollar a and and we we would charge a dollar a and and we we would charge a dollar a piece for it and we'd know how to piece for it and we'd know how to piece for it and we'd know how to monetize it sun doesn't even know how to monetize it sun doesn't even know how to monetize it sun doesn't even know how to monetize anything right um yet yet you monetize anything right um yet yet you monetize anything right um yet yet you know sun's out of business and Steve's know sun's out of business and Steve's know sun's out of business and Steve's like the richest man in the world so you like the richest man in the world so you like the richest man in the world so you know he was right he was right you know know he was right he was right you know know he was right he was right you know Steve was the ultimate salesman for sure Steve was the ultimate salesman for sure Steve was the ultimate salesman for sure yeah and hey Leonard New Year very new year what the hell you guys talking year what the hell you guys talking about mostly digital twin about mostly digital twin about mostly digital twin uh people where they're working are they uh people where they're working are they uh people where they're working are they at home they're on screens you know at home they're on screens you know at home they're on screens you know personal digital twins personal digital personal digital twins personal digital personal digital twins personal digital TN having your own little agent actually TN having your own little agent actually TN having your own little agent actually that's beyond Avatar right yeah yes that's beyond Avatar right yeah yes that's beyond Avatar right yeah yes absolutely um you know as as we you know

absolutely um you know as as we you know absolutely um you know as as we you know it's funny as we've been talking about it's funny as we've been talking about it's funny as we've been talking about this and the idea you know Demetri this and the idea you know Demetri this and the idea you know Demetri you're right the whole socialization you're right the whole socialization you're right the whole socialization thing is dis disappearing and if you're thing is dis disappearing and if you're thing is dis disappearing and if you're a young person and you don't have that a young person and you don't have that a young person and you don't have that experience working in the office and experience working in the office and experience working in the office and meeting people that you miss that meeting people that you miss that meeting people that you miss that socialization um which means I think socialization um which means I think socialization um which means I think we're on track a Glide path to everybody we're on track a Glide path to everybody we're on track a Glide path to everybody being put in The Matrix in pods yeah you being put in The Matrix in pods yeah you being put in The Matrix in pods yeah you know I think that's how it's going to know I think that's how it's going to know I think that's how it's going to play out you know people will be averse play out you know people will be averse play out you know people will be averse to human interaction is just to human interaction is just to human interaction is just uncomfortable right oh haven't we heard uncomfortable right oh haven't we heard uncomfortable right oh haven't we heard didn't we talk about the news where we didn't we talk about the news where we didn't we talk about the news where we heard that uh jenz people are triggered heard that uh jenz people are triggered heard that uh jenz people are triggered when they get a phone call where someone when they get a phone call where someone when they get a phone call where someone wants to talk to them I'm not making wants to talk to them I'm not making wants to talk to them I'm not making this up this up this up yeah yeah it was in the news they yeah yeah it was in the news they yeah yeah it was in the news they they're totally that's when you have they're totally that's when you have they're totally that's when you have your personal agent answer the phone for your personal agent answer the phone for your personal agent answer the phone for you your Tweet because they're like text you your Tweet because they're like text you your Tweet because they're like text only please I don't want to have to talk only please I don't want to have to talk only please I don't want to have to talk to a real human I'm freaked out you know to a real human I'm freaked out you know to a real human I'm freaked out you know and they they refer I I heard a whole and they they refer I I heard a whole and they they refer I I heard a whole news story it's like a microaggression news story it's like a microaggression news story it's like a microaggression to call someone and require them to talk to call someone and require them to talk to call someone and require them to talk to you so I think it's not farfetched to you so I think it's not farfetched to you so I think it's not farfetched that we're going to be in The Matrix that we're going to be in The Matrix that we're going to be in The Matrix pretty soon so we also back to two pretty soon so we also back to two pretty soon so we also back to two thoughts on that we also back to the the thoughts on that we also back to the the thoughts on that we also back to the the discussion which is this Young discussion which is this Young discussion which is this Young Generation they probably they don't talk Generation they probably they don't talk Generation they probably they don't talk to their friends they text with them to their friends they text with them to their friends they text with them because they're In This Crowd so the because they're In This Crowd so the because they're In This Crowd so the only people that might call them a bunch only people that might call them a bunch only people that might call them a bunch of T marketers I want to bother of T marketers I want to bother of T marketers I want to bother them reason why they reach that point or them reason why they reach that point or them reason why they reach that point or their parents their parents so well I their parents their parents so well I their parents their parents so well I mean if the parents grow up they realize

mean if the parents grow up they realize mean if the parents grow up they realize I mean I text my daughter because I know I mean I text my daughter because I know I mean I text my daughter because I know that's the best thing I only call her that's the best thing I only call her that's the best thing I only call her when I'm in the car and I have no way I when I'm in the car and I have no way I when I'm in the car and I have no way I can text she knows so second thought is can text she knows so second thought is can text she knows so second thought is it's always interesting when people it's always interesting when people it's always interesting when people mention the metrics because I I do I do mention the metrics because I I do I do mention the metrics because I I do I do love the series and love the concept but love the series and love the concept but love the series and love the concept but you have to remember why did the metrics you have to remember why did the metrics you have to remember why did the metrics created the did the machines created the created the did the machines created the created the did the machines created the metric because they needed energy yeah metric because they needed energy yeah metric because they needed energy yeah so and my question is that in this you so and my question is that in this you so and my question is that in this you know evolve digital world would the know evolve digital world would the know evolve digital world would the machines need humans to create energy or machines need humans to create energy or machines need humans to create energy or would they just don't need us so that would they just don't need us so that would they just don't need us so that might be that might be the fair trade might be that might be the fair trade might be that might be the fair trade right that might just be the trade you right that might just be the trade you right that might just be the trade you know we give up our or we trade our know we give up our or we trade our know we give up our or we trade our energy for that virtual or digit energy for that virtual or digit energy for that virtual or digit whatever that well that doesn't come whatever that well that doesn't come whatever that well that doesn't come from me that came from another guy I from me that came from another guy I from me that came from another guy I heard I don't remember his name but heard I don't remember his name but heard I don't remember his name but right now the the only actually right now the the only actually right now the the only actually incentive for those machines to keep us incentive for those machines to keep us incentive for those machines to keep us is that we do not have machines that is that we do not have machines that is that we do not have machines that effectively builds new machines so effectively builds new machines so effectively builds new machines so there's no reproduction system in the there's no reproduction system in the there's no reproduction system in the digital physical digital in the cyers digital physical digital in the cyers digital physical digital in the cyers space the day there is reproduction space the day there is reproduction space the day there is reproduction we have a problem I think you go think we have a problem I think you go think we have a problem I think you go think about about about it think about it yeah no you're right it think about it yeah no you're right it think about it yeah no you're right nuclear power yeah we're starting 2024 nuclear power yeah we're starting 2024 nuclear power yeah we're starting 2024 with a lot of great vision for the with a lot of great vision for the with a lot of great vision for the world the POS the positive not it world the POS the positive not it world the POS the positive not it started with digital twins of conference

started with digital twins of conference started with digital twins of conference rooms and kind of got real dark real rooms and kind of got real dark real rooms and kind of got real dark real fast oh really what happen now think fast oh really what happen now think fast oh really what happen now think about it in a positive way this is the about it in a positive way this is the about it in a positive way this is the year of the dragon it's a great year I year of the dragon it's a great year I year of the dragon it's a great year I supposed oh is it hold on I'll be right supposed oh is it hold on I'll be right supposed oh is it hold on I'll be right back guys sure sure yeah what is does back guys sure sure yeah what is does back guys sure sure yeah what is does anyone know what that means is there anyone know what that means is there anyone know what that means is there what's the deeper meaning behind you're what's the deeper meaning behind you're what's the deeper meaning behind you're the dragon as opposed to the pig or the the dragon as opposed to the pig or the the dragon as opposed to the pig or the whatever it's a really good film I know whatever it's a really good film I know whatever it's a really good film I know that yeah well I have no idea it just that yeah well I have no idea it just that yeah well I have no idea it just songs very majestuous and and I'm a songs very majestuous and and I'm a songs very majestuous and and I'm a dragon myself it's actually a big year dragon myself it's actually a big year dragon myself it's actually a big year number for me this year I don't know number for me this year I don't know number for me this year I don't know haven't I have a little I have a little haven't I have a little I have a little haven't I have a little I have a little faith in in this kind of con so we fully faith in in this kind of con so we fully faith in in this kind of con so we fully outfitted yeah we're fully out we yeah outfitted yeah we're fully out we yeah outfitted yeah we're fully out we yeah congratulations the real I don't know congratulations the real I don't know congratulations the real I don't know maybe we should all do some research on maybe we should all do some research on maybe we should all do some research on the the zodiac signs in the Chinese side the the zodiac signs in the Chinese side the the zodiac signs in the Chinese side and have a conversation on that I know I and have a conversation on that I know I and have a conversation on that I know I just know that Dragon cool and I'm a just know that Dragon cool and I'm a just know that Dragon cool and I'm a dragon so yeah there you go well you get dragon so yeah there you go well you get dragon so yeah there you go well you get the according to the Chinese horoscope the according to the Chinese horoscope the according to the Chinese horoscope uh you get interesting uh you get interesting uh you get interesting folks in the year of the dragon and it's folks in the year of the dragon and it's folks in the year of the dragon and it's weird like in our family we make a big weird like in our family we make a big weird like in our family we make a big deal about the year that people are born deal about the year that people are born deal about the year that people are born because it suggests what sort of you because it suggests what sort of you because it suggests what sort of you know uh family chemistry you'll have you know uh family chemistry you'll have you know uh family chemistry you'll have you know like my daughter was born the year know like my daughter was born the year know like my daughter was born the year of the rabbit and my son or no the pig of the rabbit and my son or no the pig of the rabbit and my son or no the pig and then my um son was born the year of and then my um son was born the year of and then my um son was born the year of the oh jeez he's going to kill me uh the

the oh jeez he's going to kill me uh the the oh jeez he's going to kill me uh the dog and so they they suggest okay the dog and so they they suggest okay the dog and so they they suggest okay the kids will get along and you get along kids will get along and you get along kids will get along and you get along which is really weird so I don't know if which is really weird so I don't know if which is really weird so I don't know if there's anything to this stuff but there there's anything to this stuff but there there's anything to this stuff but there there are plenty of people and and there are plenty of people and and there are plenty of people and and thousands of years of history with this thousands of years of history with this thousands of years of history with this stuff um where there may be some kind of stuff um where there may be some kind of stuff um where there may be some kind of celestial truth to it yeah I think that celestial truth to it yeah I think that celestial truth to it yeah I think that U I think there's going to be a a U I think there's going to be a a U I think there's going to be a a Resurgence and interest in horoscopes Resurgence and interest in horoscopes Resurgence and interest in horoscopes astrology all that kind of stuff I think astrology all that kind of stuff I think astrology all that kind of stuff I think there's a uh it's going to be a area for there's a uh it's going to be a area for there's a uh it's going to be a area for people to turn to because anytime things people to turn to because anytime things people to turn to because anytime things get so kind of complicated and weird get so kind of complicated and weird get so kind of complicated and weird throughout history that's hard to throughout history that's hard to throughout history that's hard to explain people go like into this kind of explain people go like into this kind of explain people go like into this kind of other realm to sort of try to explain other realm to sort of try to explain other realm to sort of try to explain things and make sense of them and I things and make sense of them and I things and make sense of them and I think they'll be a Big Boon in astrology think they'll be a Big Boon in astrology think they'll be a Big Boon in astrology and horoscopes and things like that from and horoscopes and things like that from and horoscopes and things like that from 2024 but that's that's a good point 2024 but that's that's a good point 2024 but that's that's a good point human is a very uh bad track record of human is a very uh bad track record of human is a very uh bad track record of dealing with things they don't dealing with things they don't dealing with things they don't understand they don't so they they just understand they don't so they they just understand they don't so they they just need a simple answer come up with some need a simple answer come up with some need a simple answer come up with some explanation so it's got to be because explanation so it's got to be because explanation so it's got to be because it's the year the dragon it's the year the dragon it's the year the dragon obviously oh yeah it's a good good point obviously oh yeah it's a good good point obviously oh yeah it's a good good point why are you doing that oh because you why are you doing that oh because you why are you doing that oh because you the Dron every society every culture the Dron every society every culture the Dron every society every culture around planet has described something around planet has described something around planet has described something that was like a dragon in their past that was like a dragon in their past that was like a dragon in their past yeah do we find that yeah do we find that yeah do we find that interesting Godzilla Godzilla dinosaurs interesting Godzilla Godzilla dinosaurs interesting Godzilla Godzilla dinosaurs I don't know I don't know the new I don't know I don't know the new I don't know I don't know the new Godzilla movie there you go ties it why Godzilla movie there you go ties it why Godzilla movie there you go ties it why is it that every culture has the notion

is it that every culture has the notion is it that every culture has the notion of a dragon from somewhere in their past of a dragon from somewhere in their past of a dragon from somewhere in their past I find that interesting that all that I find that interesting that all that I find that interesting that all that they all have that in common you know they all have that in common you know they all have that in common you know what I think it is it's lightning you what I think it is it's lightning you what I think it is it's lightning you know it was we we saw know it was we we saw know it was we we saw rainbow the other day while we were rainbow the other day while we were rainbow the other day while we were driving and you know I just uh wondered driving and you know I just uh wondered driving and you know I just uh wondered what you know um you know folks what you know um you know folks what you know um you know folks throughout history prehistory thought of throughout history prehistory thought of throughout history prehistory thought of phenomenon like that and like lightning phenomenon like that and like lightning phenomenon like that and like lightning and thunder and they must have thought and thunder and they must have thought and thunder and they must have thought it was a higher power or something you it was a higher power or something you it was a higher power or something you know and yeah you know um the reason why know and yeah you know um the reason why know and yeah you know um the reason why the Chinese dragon is long I think is the Chinese dragon is long I think is the Chinese dragon is long I think is because it because it because it basically it it represents lightning you basically it it represents lightning you basically it it represents lightning you know and the Roar of the Dragon is know and the Roar of the Dragon is know and the Roar of the Dragon is thunder right and so it's just all these thunder right and so it's just all these thunder right and so it's just all these these um these um these um mythical uh they're just mythical mythical uh they're just mythical mythical uh they're just mythical representations of to explain representations of to explain representations of to explain the phomen same with the constellations the phomen same with the constellations the phomen same with the constellations right and all the other stuff we see up right and all the other stuff we see up right and all the other stuff we see up there it's you know patterns that we there it's you know patterns that we there it's you know patterns that we ascribe to certain things that we can ascribe to certain things that we can ascribe to certain things that we can talk about and tell our kids about and talk about and tell our kids about and talk about and tell our kids about and right yeah no I think I think it's it's right yeah no I think I think it's it's right yeah no I think I think it's it's coming back so you know make sure you coming back so you know make sure you coming back so you know make sure you got your astrologer handy so did you got your astrologer handy so did you got your astrologer handy so did you guys do like any predictions and and guys do like any predictions and and guys do like any predictions and and crap like that on the show crap like that on the show crap like that on the show yet are you avoiding yet are you avoiding yet are you avoiding it did you guys make a concerted it did you guys make a concerted it did you guys make a concerted decision or like a I kind of made mine decision or like a I kind of made mine decision or like a I kind of made mine when I said that we have to wait for the

when I said that we have to wait for the when I said that we have to wait for the machines to reproduce so but I don't machines to reproduce so but I don't machines to reproduce so but I don't think it's going to think it's going to think it's going to I don't think it's G to happen in I don't think it's G to happen in I don't think it's G to happen in probably not in 24 though probably not in 24 though probably not in 24 though yeah here's the thing there's a yeah here's the thing there's a yeah here's the thing there's a difference between um imagining things difference between um imagining things difference between um imagining things which is what Visionary you know Tech which is what Visionary you know Tech which is what Visionary you know Tech Vision visionist whatever you call Vision visionist whatever you call Vision visionist whatever you call futurist futurists and stuff do people futurist futurists and stuff do people futurist futurists and stuff do people on say they're a futurist yeah yeah on say they're a futurist yeah yeah on say they're a futurist yeah yeah predicting stuff you actually need to predicting stuff you actually need to predicting stuff you actually need to have a understanding of what's going on have a understanding of what's going on have a understanding of what's going on right now you know anyone can make right now you know anyone can make right now you know anyone can make up you know what I'm saying so I mean up you know what I'm saying so I mean up you know what I'm saying so I mean maybe it's a it's a it's a bit of um I maybe it's a it's a it's a bit of um I maybe it's a it's a it's a bit of um I don't know I mean yeah shot across the don't know I mean yeah shot across the don't know I mean yeah shot across the bow for futurist it's like look you know bow for futurist it's like look you know bow for futurist it's like look you know um you guys are fueling hype R you know um you guys are fueling hype R you know um you guys are fueling hype R you know let's see if we can re some of that back let's see if we can re some of that back let's see if we can re some of that back sure and actually prove that you know sure and actually prove that you know sure and actually prove that you know something you know instead of just something you know instead of just something you know instead of just making up which is right what a lot making up which is right what a lot making up which is right what a lot of people do I mean it's so easy to make of people do I mean it's so easy to make of people do I mean it's so easy to make stuff up and you know the great sci-fi stuff up and you know the great sci-fi stuff up and you know the great sci-fi writers that's what they did right writers that's what they did right writers that's what they did right William Gibson all these folks they were William Gibson all these folks they were William Gibson all these folks they were good at uh taking today's society and good at uh taking today's society and good at uh taking today's society and extrapolating into a some sort of future extrapolating into a some sort of future extrapolating into a some sort of future but for us practical people that are but for us practical people that are but for us practical people that are trying to use Tech to run their business trying to use Tech to run their business trying to use Tech to run their business we need to get a little more uh we need to get a little more uh we need to get a little more uh practical about like what's really practical about like what's really practical about like what's really coming up that that would be meaningful coming up that that would be meaningful coming up that that would be meaningful for for folks to take advantage of you for for folks to take advantage of you for for folks to take advantage of you said the right thing sci-fi writers I've

said the right thing sci-fi writers I've said the right thing sci-fi writers I've always believed the ultimate futurists always believed the ultimate futurists always believed the ultimate futurists have all been SciFi oh yeah I mean you have all been SciFi oh yeah I mean you have all been SciFi oh yeah I mean you know give all credit to Jean rotenberry know give all credit to Jean rotenberry know give all credit to Jean rotenberry he already predicted everything but I he already predicted everything but I he already predicted everything but I mean you going to run your business mean you going to run your business mean you going to run your business based off of like in 19 Phil K di based based off of like in 19 Phil K di based based off of like in 19 Phil K di based on stuff that was represented in Star on stuff that was represented in Star on stuff that was represented in Star Trek absolutely not you know you not yet Trek absolutely not you know you not yet Trek absolutely not you know you not yet anyway not yet yeah yet remember anyway not yet yeah yet remember anyway not yet yeah yet remember sometimes the needs of the one outweigh sometimes the needs of the one outweigh sometimes the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the you obviously you the needs of the you obviously you the needs of the you obviously you obviously know why the tri was invented obviously know why the tri was invented obviously know why the tri was invented in Star Trek in Star Trek in Star Trek right speed of light's too slow no right speed of light's too slow no right speed of light's too slow no because it because it would have cost because it because it would have cost because it because it would have cost too much to have ships from the main too much to have ships from the main too much to have ships from the main vessel to go into the planets because I vessel to go into the planets because I vessel to go into the planets because I need all the animation effects at least need all the animation effects at least need all the animation effects at least it's a story I heard I don't know iar it's a story I heard I don't know iar it's a story I heard I don't know iar production values production value I've production values production value I've production values production value I've heard somebody came with the idea oh heard somebody came with the idea oh heard somebody came with the idea oh yeah we don't need to have all those it yeah we don't need to have all those it yeah we don't need to have all those it was expensive at the time to do this was expensive at the time to do this was expensive at the time to do this animation and this kind of there was no animation and this kind of there was no animation and this kind of there was no CGI so it sounded like a plausible CGI so it sounded like a plausible CGI so it sounded like a plausible explanation to I fact checked it I don't explanation to I fact checked it I don't explanation to I fact checked it I don't remember where Reas to me sounds very remember where Reas to me sounds very remember where Reas to me sounds very plausible you know there's an analogy to plausible you know there's an analogy to plausible you know there's an analogy to that you know they call it everything that you know they call it everything that you know they call it everything Starships there's all this nautical Starships there's all this nautical Starships there's all this nautical stuff that we somehow take into space if stuff that we somehow take into space if stuff that we somehow take into space if you think about even today you have the you think about even today you have the you think about even today you have the big ship but it doesn't get too close big ship but it doesn't get too close big ship but it doesn't get too close people get into a smaller boat or a people get into a smaller boat or a people get into a smaller boat or a skiff to get to shore because the big skiff to get to shore because the big skiff to get to shore because the big ship get too close it's the same thing ship get too close it's the same thing ship get too close it's the same thing the Enterprise is going to stay in orbit the Enterprise is going to stay in orbit the Enterprise is going to stay in orbit and you're going to beam

and you're going to beam and you're going to beam down sometimes you use the down sometimes you use the down sometimes you use the shuttlecraft well what was it um Star shuttlecraft well what was it um Star shuttlecraft well what was it um Star Trek the the second one of the latest Trek the the second one of the latest Trek the the second one of the latest series was wasn't the Enterprise series was wasn't the Enterprise series was wasn't the Enterprise underwater that was a cool moment at the underwater that was a cool moment at the underwater that was a cool moment at the beginning of the movie when the thing beginning of the movie when the thing beginning of the movie when the thing just comes right out of the water just comes right out of the water just comes right out of the water natives are like oh yeah yeah and then natives are like oh yeah yeah and then natives are like oh yeah yeah and then it has these tiny little um uh you know it has these tiny little um uh you know it has these tiny little um uh you know little um engines jet engines or little um engines jet engines or little um engines jet engines or something I don't know if they're something I don't know if they're something I don't know if they're impulse engines or what that um you know impulse engines or what that um you know impulse engines or what that um you know levitate the ship which didn't make levitate the ship which didn't make levitate the ship which didn't make sense to me it's like you know I think sense to me it's like you know I think sense to me it's like you know I think Kirk and Chris Pine playing Kirk and Kirk and Chris Pine playing Kirk and Kirk and Chris Pine playing Kirk and recent stuff he was definitely breaking recent stuff he was definitely breaking recent stuff he was definitely breaking the prime directive all the time all the the prime directive all the time all the the prime directive all the time all the time Spar was giving him a lot of time Spar was giving him a lot of time Spar was giving him a lot of he's like did all the inhabitants of he's like did all the inhabitants of he's like did all the inhabitants of this world just see the Enterprise come this world just see the Enterprise come this world just see the Enterprise come out of the ocean and stuff like that out of the ocean and stuff like that out of the ocean and stuff like that you're not supposed to see you didn't you're not supposed to see you didn't you're not supposed to see you didn't think that was going to happen think that was going to happen think that was going to happen and how did you get it in the ocean in and how did you get it in the ocean in and how did you get it in the ocean in the first the first the first place oops anyway yeah you know so place oops anyway yeah you know so place oops anyway yeah you know so predictions but it but it creates a predictions but it but it creates a predictions but it but it creates a North star you know the Sci-Fi writers North star you know the Sci-Fi writers North star you know the Sci-Fi writers and the movies are made books and people and the movies are made books and people and the movies are made books and people it kind of points to a place that people it kind of points to a place that people it kind of points to a place that people try to go I'm gonna go in that direction try to go I'm gonna go in that direction try to go I'm gonna go in that direction One yes multiple possible Futures are One yes multiple possible Futures are One yes multiple possible Futures are out there yeah absolutely predictions out there yeah absolutely predictions out there yeah absolutely predictions predictions I heard you goad

predictions I heard you goad predictions I heard you goad I just heard on the radio on the news I just heard on the radio on the news I just heard on the radio on the news this is not a prediction but you know this is not a prediction but you know this is not a prediction but you know they do surveys asking businesses what they do surveys asking businesses what they do surveys asking businesses what they're going to do this Ison sound like they're going to do this Ison sound like they're going to do this Ison sound like a real Downer and it's not going to a real Downer and it's not going to a real Downer and it's not going to sound new related to Ai and layoffs but sound new related to Ai and layoffs but sound new related to Ai and layoffs but you know it was I don't know 60% of CEO you know it was I don't know 60% of CEO you know it was I don't know 60% of CEO surveyed talking about 2024 they're surveyed talking about 2024 they're surveyed talking about 2024 they're going to be laying off people and going to be laying off people and going to be laying off people and replacing them with AI or they'll be replacing them with AI or they'll be replacing them with AI or they'll be doing hiring freezes and I'm like oh doing hiring freezes and I'm like oh doing hiring freezes and I'm like oh great good times yeah good times great good times yeah good times great good times yeah good times certainly layoffs have become layoffs certainly layoffs have become layoffs certainly layoffs have become layoffs have become The New Normal uh for CEOs have become The New Normal uh for CEOs have become The New Normal uh for CEOs to execute to you know boost margins and to execute to you know boost margins and to execute to you know boost margins and things it's it's a where it used to be a things it's it's a where it used to be a things it's it's a where it used to be a very outlier Behavior Uh it's now um very outlier Behavior Uh it's now um very outlier Behavior Uh it's now um just like any other cost cutting measure just like any other cost cutting measure just like any other cost cutting measure you would have in your business it seems you would have in your business it seems you would have in your business it seems to be normalized and almost expected so to be normalized and almost expected so to be normalized and almost expected so unfortunately uh so the the the street unfortunately uh so the the the street unfortunately uh so the the the street has rewarded CEOs that have done some has rewarded CEOs that have done some has rewarded CEOs that have done some significant layoffs not that I any significant layoffs not that I any significant layoffs not that I any personal experience with that uh but um personal experience with that uh but um personal experience with that uh but um you know that seems to be the way to you know that seems to be the way to you know that seems to be the way to boost the stock and everyone's like yeah boost the stock and everyone's like yeah boost the stock and everyone's like yeah that's cool yeah I mean you know I I had that's cool yeah I mean you know I I had that's cool yeah I mean you know I I had to remind Bonnie Graham you know I was to remind Bonnie Graham you know I was to remind Bonnie Graham you know I was on our podcast earlier that's why I'm on our podcast earlier that's why I'm on our podcast earlier that's why I'm late here to our own um that we started late here to our own um that we started late here to our own um that we started off 2023 with a huge downturn in the off 2023 with a huge downturn in the off 2023 with a huge downturn in the tech market and um a crap ton of layoffs tech market and um a crap ton of layoffs tech market and um a crap ton of layoffs and you know we saw the stock prices of and you know we saw the stock prices of and you know we saw the stock prices of a lot of um a lot of um a lot of um these um you know what do you want to

these um you know what do you want to these um you know what do you want to call them what Magnificent Seven or that call them what Magnificent Seven or that call them what Magnificent Seven or that they're calling them now whatever that they're calling them now whatever that they're calling them now whatever that um yeah just Skyrocket after they just um yeah just Skyrocket after they just um yeah just Skyrocket after they just laid off laid off laid off massive NASDAQ was up 43% and there was massive NASDAQ was up 43% and there was massive NASDAQ was up 43% and there was over 200,000 layoffs so and people over 200,000 layoffs so and people over 200,000 layoffs so and people people forget forgot that yeah Skyrocket people forget forgot that yeah Skyrocket people forget forgot that yeah Skyrocket all the way until all the way until all the way until yesterday when bark downgraded apple and yesterday when bark downgraded apple and yesterday when bark downgraded apple and then all the tech stocks have now just then all the tech stocks have now just then all the tech stocks have now just it'll it'll bounce back in a week don't it'll it'll bounce back in a week don't it'll it'll bounce back in a week don't worry about no it's year I mean it's the worry about no it's year I mean it's the worry about no it's year I mean it's the end of the year people are end of the year people are end of the year people are selling pay taxes and things I need to selling pay taxes and things I need to selling pay taxes and things I need to lock in my Nvidia gains yeah yeah lock lock in my Nvidia gains yeah yeah lock lock in my Nvidia gains yeah yeah lock lock games for the end of the year and lock games for the end of the year and lock games for the end of the year and then um so yeah so layoffs continue in then um so yeah so layoffs continue in then um so yeah so layoffs continue in 2024 that seems to be the new normal I 2024 that seems to be the new normal I 2024 that seems to be the new normal I guess and you know it's you know related guess and you know it's you know related guess and you know it's you know related to the discussion we had earlier I'm to the discussion we had earlier I'm to the discussion we had earlier I'm just thinking that this kind of you know just thinking that this kind of you know just thinking that this kind of you know remote world remote world remote world may actually also have an impact because may actually also have an impact because may actually also have an impact because if you're a see of a company and you're if you're a see of a company and you're if you're a see of a company and you're spending most of your time working spending most of your time working spending most of your time working remote and board meetings and you don't remote and board meetings and you don't remote and board meetings and you don't see people anymore so you don't have see people anymore so you don't have see people anymore so you don't have this emotional aspect of I saw 10 or 20 this emotional aspect of I saw 10 or 20 this emotional aspect of I saw 10 or 20 people at the water cooler and I know people at the water cooler and I know people at the water cooler and I know I'm going to get rid of 10 bodies I'm going to get rid of 10 bodies I'm going to get rid of 10 bodies tomorrow you don't see that anymore in tomorrow you don't see that anymore in tomorrow you don't see that anymore in your face so you might you might have your face so you might you might have your face so you might you might have a it's like being a I don't I don't have a it's like being a I don't I don't have a it's like being a I don't I don't have data or evidence of that but we should data or evidence of that but we should data or evidence of that but we should we should invite a psychologist here we should invite a psychologist here we should invite a psychologist here remote work making it easier to lay

remote work making it easier to lay remote work making it easier to lay people off and fire people because it's people off and fire people because it's people off and fire people because it's less personal because we don't have any less personal because we don't have any less personal because we don't have any contct that's what I'm thinking so maybe contct that's what I'm thinking so maybe contct that's what I'm thinking so maybe that's one of the thing that we'll see that's one of the thing that we'll see that's one of the thing that we'll see grow part of the day off in 2024 grow part of the day off in 2024 grow part of the day off in 2024 so and obviously the AI stuff will so and obviously the AI stuff will so and obviously the AI stuff will because what we're realizing is that the because what we're realizing is that the because what we're realizing is that the tasks which are automated that human do tasks which are automated that human do tasks which are automated that human do yeah that those things are going to go yeah that those things are going to go yeah that those things are going to go away go away but you know what th those away go away but you know what th those away go away but you know what th those tasks are much more they're more tasks are much more they're more tasks are much more they're more difficult um to get rid of them people difficult um to get rid of them people difficult um to get rid of them people assume people just say oh yeah you know assume people just say oh yeah you know assume people just say oh yeah you know Ai and think that it's some kind of Ai and think that it's some kind of Ai and think that it's some kind of magic but think about all the work it magic but think about all the work it magic but think about all the work it takes to actually displace that task you takes to actually displace that task you takes to actually displace that task you know the data that you need all the know the data that you need all the know the data that you need all the training well the cost yeah look at the training well the cost yeah look at the training well the cost yeah look at the cost right I mean cost a lot of M you're cost right I mean cost a lot of M you're cost right I mean cost a lot of M you're going to look at call centers the cost going to look at call centers the cost going to look at call centers the cost of a call center offshor versus training of a call center offshor versus training of a call center offshor versus training in llm and running that and paying for in llm and running that and paying for in llm and running that and paying for that you know it is it is cost and that you know it is it is cost and that you know it is it is cost and people are going to make economic people are going to make economic people are going to make economic decisions around where AI makes sense decisions around where AI makes sense decisions around where AI makes sense versus having a labor force that you versus having a labor force that you versus having a labor force that you know people are learning that yeah know people are learning that yeah know people are learning that yeah they're learning what we already have they're learning what we already have they're learning what we already have been talking about at the end of the been talking about at the end of the been talking about at the end of the year they're only learning that now true year they're only learning that now true year they're only learning that now true that that's that's the thing so we can that that's that's the thing so we can that that's that's the thing so we can listen back on like our early our early listen back on like our early our early listen back on like our early our early episodes from last year about geni and episodes from last year about geni and episodes from last year about geni and then it will be true the real world is a then it will be true the real world is a then it will be true the real world is a year after basically gring all stuff year after basically gring all stuff year after basically gring all stuff yeah but hey you know what I think um I yeah but hey you know what I think um I yeah but hey you know what I think um I think uh like the whole XR thing is

think uh like the whole XR thing is think uh like the whole XR thing is going to get a Revival um this year um going to get a Revival um this year um going to get a Revival um this year um because of um you know like what Apple's because of um you know like what Apple's because of um you know like what Apple's doing with Vision Pro but like the focus doing with Vision Pro but like the focus doing with Vision Pro but like the focus on immersive reality so how do we on immersive reality so how do we on immersive reality so how do we capture real environments in a really capture real environments in a really capture real environments in a really efficient way because you know if you go efficient way because you know if you go efficient way because you know if you go and you look at and you look at and you look at um like what meta has done and everyone um like what meta has done and everyone um like what meta has done and everyone else has done it outside of the Apple else has done it outside of the Apple else has done it outside of the Apple universe the production of like content universe the production of like content universe the production of like content meaning real you know like uh in in meaning real you know like uh in in meaning real you know like uh in in reality uh our reality has been like reality uh our reality has been like reality uh our reality has been like super in just crap okay um if Apple's super in just crap okay um if Apple's super in just crap okay um if Apple's cracked the code on just making the 3D cracked the code on just making the 3D cracked the code on just making the 3D modeling and capture of modeling and capture of modeling and capture of reality uh super easy and efficient then reality uh super easy and efficient then reality uh super easy and efficient then I think a lot of the stuff that we've I think a lot of the stuff that we've I think a lot of the stuff that we've been talking about regarding digital been talking about regarding digital been talking about regarding digital Twins and you know uh using virtual or Twins and you know uh using virtual or Twins and you know uh using virtual or cyber physical um systems to tie the cyber physical um systems to tie the cyber physical um systems to tie the physical and the digital world together physical and the digital world together physical and the digital world together I think that that becomes a hell of a I think that that becomes a hell of a I think that that becomes a hell of a lot easier you know um do you think that lot easier you know um do you think that lot easier you know um do you think that the Vision Pro with augmented reality so the Vision Pro with augmented reality so the Vision Pro with augmented reality so you're talking about like I think you you're talking about like I think you you're talking about like I think you know this is where you know Hollow lands know this is where you know Hollow lands know this is where you know Hollow lands was you know a couple years ago was like was you know a couple years ago was like was you know a couple years ago was like commercial you know industrial you know commercial you know industrial you know commercial you know industrial you know training and overlays and you know all training and overlays and you know all training and overlays and you know all that all those scenarios which worked I that all those scenarios which worked I that all those scenarios which worked I mean they did they worked it was mean they did they worked it was mean they did they worked it was obviously a lot of work to get them obviously a lot of work to get them obviously a lot of work to get them working but do you think Apple's really

working but do you think Apple's really working but do you think Apple's really going to go after that market with the going to go after that market with the going to go after that market with the Vision Pro or is it more of a super pro Vision Pro or is it more of a super pro Vision Pro or is it more of a super pro suer you know experience I I think suer you know experience I I think suer you know experience I I think people are are going to they're going to people are are going to they're going to people are are going to they're going to apply it in whatever way it makes sense apply it in whatever way it makes sense apply it in whatever way it makes sense and you know I don't think and you know I don't think and you know I don't think um it's going to be um dictated by Apple um it's going to be um dictated by Apple um it's going to be um dictated by Apple per se right oh it's totally dictated by per se right oh it's totally dictated by per se right oh it's totally dictated by Apple you know when the vision thing Apple you know when the vision thing Apple you know when the vision thing launch happened all of our friends on launch happened all of our friends on launch happened all of our friends on the hollow lens team doing mixed reality the hollow lens team doing mixed reality the hollow lens team doing mixed reality they all said yeah we were doing that they all said yeah we were doing that they all said yeah we were doing that five years ago or this is nothing five years ago or this is nothing five years ago or this is nothing new but unfortunately when Apple does it new but unfortunately when Apple does it new but unfortunately when Apple does it it somehow was an invention and it's it somehow was an invention and it's it somehow was an invention and it's magic and all of a sudden everybody's on magic and all of a sudden everybody's on magic and all of a sudden everybody's on board and but but it's very over and board and but but it's very over and board and but but it's very over and over again it's actually very different over again it's actually very different over again it's actually very different and the technology that apple use like and the technology that apple use like and the technology that apple use like the micro the micro the micro LEDs you couldn't get the yield to make LEDs you couldn't get the yield to make LEDs you couldn't get the yield to make it even a um a commercial product right it even a um a commercial product right it even a um a commercial product right you know what I'm saying the technology you know what I'm saying the technology you know what I'm saying the technology didn't exist at the time right I mean didn't exist at the time right I mean didn't exist at the time right I mean the tech is way better I guess the the tech is way better I guess the the tech is way better I guess the question is does the market is the question is does the market is the question is does the market is the market ready to and which Market the market ready to and which Market the market ready to and which Market the commercial market like I just don't feel commercial market like I just don't feel commercial market like I just don't feel that Apple sells into the commercial that Apple sells into the commercial that Apple sells into the commercial Market very well and consumer I think it Market very well and consumer I think it Market very well and consumer I think it starts with the consumer Market but then starts with the consumer Market but then starts with the consumer Market but then with the whole consumerization of it with the whole consumerization of it with the whole consumerization of it Trend I think you'll see some U you know Trend I think you'll see some U you know Trend I think you'll see some U you know uh you know creative uh Folks in

uh you know creative uh Folks in uh you know creative uh Folks in Enterprise start to use it for reality Enterprise start to use it for reality Enterprise start to use it for reality reality modeling you know capture of um reality modeling you know capture of um reality modeling you know capture of um of um you know the problem is going to of um you know the problem is going to of um you know the problem is going to be the content real content if you take be the content real content if you take be the content real content if you take the if you take the analogy of the iPod the if you take the analogy of the iPod the if you take the analogy of the iPod we could say the same thing the3 player we could say the same thing the3 player we could say the same thing the3 player before before the iPod but the thing before before the iPod but the thing before before the iPod but the thing that Apple did first the better device that Apple did first the better device that Apple did first the better device but second put together the ecosystem so but second put together the ecosystem so but second put together the ecosystem so it it it was into it so that the ecosystem was into it so that the ecosystem was into it so that the ecosystem element this type of technology I only element this type of technology I only element this type of technology I only see Niche applications at the moment see Niche applications at the moment see Niche applications at the moment they will be great for specific they will be great for specific they will be great for specific verticals or areas but on mass I mean as verticals or areas but on mass I mean as verticals or areas but on mass I mean as a as a dominant technology it's a lot of a as a dominant technology it's a lot of a as a dominant technology it's a lot of content and plus how you going to content and plus how you going to content and plus how you going to control the crap and non crap I don't control the crap and non crap I don't control the crap and non crap I don't know a lot of a lot of the a lot of know a lot of a lot of the a lot of know a lot of a lot of the a lot of what's going to be produced as personal what's going to be produced as personal what's going to be produced as personal content initially right and then that'll content initially right and then that'll content initially right and then that'll extend to in all likelihood extend to in all likelihood extend to in all likelihood communication so you anyway um it be communication so you anyway um it be communication so you anyway um it be interesting to see where it goes because interesting to see where it goes because interesting to see where it goes because you've got the Apple stuff you know you've got the Apple stuff you know you've got the Apple stuff you know you've got the all the qualcon has been you've got the all the qualcon has been you've got the all the qualcon has been doing on XR forever they've been hanging doing on XR forever they've been hanging doing on XR forever they've been hanging in there you've got all the meta Oculus in there you've got all the meta Oculus in there you've got all the meta Oculus stuff yeah and then you've got you still stuff yeah and then you've got you still stuff yeah and then you've got you still have commercial Hall lens deployments I have commercial Hall lens deployments I have commercial Hall lens deployments I mean all these things like where does mean all these things like where does mean all these things like where does all this go and who goes where none none all this go and who goes where none none all this go and who goes where none none of the other stuff is easy that's the of the other stuff is easy that's the of the other stuff is easy that's the problem see some of the stuff I wrote I problem see some of the stuff I wrote I problem see some of the stuff I wrote I actually did it uh I did some research actually did it uh I did some research actually did it uh I did some research Apple cuts out a bunch of the stuff that Apple cuts out a bunch of the stuff that Apple cuts out a bunch of the stuff that makes the current content difficult to

makes the current content difficult to makes the current content difficult to produce and that makes the current produce and that makes the current produce and that makes the current content absolute crap and actually it's content absolute crap and actually it's content absolute crap and actually it's the content format that creates a lot of the content format that creates a lot of the content format that creates a lot of the problems um that we have with uh you the problems um that we have with uh you the problems um that we have with uh you know nausea and and stuff like that um know nausea and and stuff like that um know nausea and and stuff like that um the devices are actually really pretty the devices are actually really pretty the devices are actually really pretty solid like I you know I tried out the solid like I you know I tried out the solid like I you know I tried out the meta um Oculus uh meta um Oculus uh meta um Oculus uh 3 got a hand it to the Qualcomm guys um 3 got a hand it to the Qualcomm guys um 3 got a hand it to the Qualcomm guys um you know they did a really great job you know they did a really great job you know they did a really great job with the Silicon I mean it's super low with the Silicon I mean it's super low with the Silicon I mean it's super low latency but the thing that got you um latency but the thing that got you um latency but the thing that got you um really kind of sick was just the the really kind of sick was just the the really kind of sick was just the the content itself it was either three off content itself it was either three off content itself it was either three off not six off or six degrees of freedom um not six off or six degrees of freedom um not six off or six degrees of freedom um and so that's the stuff that really and so that's the stuff that really and so that's the stuff that really messed with your it senses and then got messed with your it senses and then got messed with your it senses and then got you sick but then if you played like a you sick but then if you played like a you sick but then if you played like a video game um like a a VR video game you video game um like a a VR video game you video game um like a a VR video game you didn't really have that issue because it didn't really have that issue because it didn't really have that issue because it was it's designed specifically for that was it's designed specifically for that was it's designed specifically for that kind of uh you know for so is this why kind of uh you know for so is this why kind of uh you know for so is this why the US Army returned thousands of hollow the US Army returned thousands of hollow the US Army returned thousands of hollow lenses back to Microsoft because the lenses back to Microsoft because the lenses back to Microsoft because the soldiers were getting sick well that and soldiers were getting sick well that and soldiers were getting sick well that and probably because they realized um you probably because they realized um you probably because they realized um you don't want to put such a uh a system out don't want to put such a uh a system out don't want to put such a uh a system out there for your soldiers to be dependent there for your soldiers to be dependent there for your soldiers to be dependent on you know no no no no no no it on you know no no no no no no it on you know no no no no no no it augments your on the battlefield it's a

augments your on the battlefield it's a augments your on the battlefield it's a great idea actually it great idea actually it great idea actually it just it was working well enough the just it was working well enough the just it was working well enough the soldiers I'm the soldiers sick they were soldiers I'm the soldiers sick they were soldiers I'm the soldiers sick they were feeling nauseous really yeah absolutely feeling nauseous really yeah absolutely feeling nauseous really yeah absolutely I but I can't I can't imagine that they I but I can't I can't imagine that they I but I can't I can't imagine that they would get nauseous with but remember would get nauseous with but remember would get nauseous with but remember this is an older generation of this is an older generation of this is an older generation of technology that didn't have it all technology that didn't have it all technology that didn't have it all figured out yet I mean you know Hollow figured out yet I mean you know Hollow figured out yet I mean you know Hollow lens shipped lens shipped lens shipped early Terry Marson was running Windows early Terry Marson was running Windows early Terry Marson was running Windows and Windows 10 and somehow we're trying and Windows 10 and somehow we're trying and Windows 10 and somehow we're trying to align Hollens with the launch of to align Hollens with the launch of to align Hollens with the launch of Windows 10 and and showed it off really Windows 10 and and showed it off really Windows 10 and and showed it off really early to get people excited um and we early to get people excited um and we early to get people excited um and we all had friends working on that team and all had friends working on that team and all had friends working on that team and it was it was it was cool um but in it was it was it was cool um but in it was it was it was cool um but in reality in deployment I'm running on the reality in deployment I'm running on the reality in deployment I'm running on the battlefield with my gun and it's battlefield with my gun and it's battlefield with my gun and it's supposed to get heads up display and supposed to get heads up display and supposed to get heads up display and lots to tell me what's going on and and lots to tell me what's going on and and lots to tell me what's going on and and it's was it's was it's was like you know so maybe maybe the Apple like you know so maybe maybe the Apple like you know so maybe maybe the Apple thing it's just newer technology Oculus thing it's just newer technology Oculus thing it's just newer technology Oculus three the newer stuff it's going to take three the newer stuff it's going to take three the newer stuff it's going to take away that nuse because that weirdness away that nuse because that weirdness away that nuse because that weirdness between your brain and with your eyes between your brain and with your eyes between your brain and with your eyes and your ears think is reality versus and your ears think is reality versus and your ears think is reality versus what you're seeing yeah always that what you're seeing yeah always that what you're seeing yeah always that mismatch I guess but I I have this car mismatch I guess but I I have this car mismatch I guess but I I have this car Vision now and I'm with learn out of Vision now and I'm with learn out of Vision now and I'm with learn out of that so imagine a big 10,000 soldiers that so imagine a big 10,000 soldiers that so imagine a big 10,000 soldiers going on the battlefield and then just going on the battlefield and then just going on the battlefield and then just in the middle got a blue screen I know I in the middle got a blue screen I know I in the middle got a blue screen I know I know I know well that's the thing I know I know well that's the thing I know I know well that's the thing I think a lot of soldiers just don't want think a lot of soldiers just don't want think a lot of soldiers just don't want a bunch of stuff

a bunch of stuff a bunch of stuff floating you know the SES fighter pilots like having know the SES fighter pilots like having heads up displays yeah Pilots have a lot heads up displays yeah Pilots have a lot heads up displays yeah Pilots have a lot of that as long as it doesn't impede of that as long as it doesn't impede of that as long as it doesn't impede your ability to see what's going on but your ability to see what's going on but your ability to see what's going on but if it's some little thing that's like if it's some little thing that's like if it's some little thing that's like bad guy over here or whatever you know bad guy over here or whatever you know bad guy over here or whatever you know yeah but we go back to cost then because yeah but we go back to cost then because yeah but we go back to cost then because the the amount the the cost for jet the the amount the the cost for jet the the amount the the cost for jet fighter first they are much less than fighter first they are much less than fighter first they are much less than the 10,000 guys on the ground so but you the 10,000 guys on the ground so but you the 10,000 guys on the ground so but you I mean depends we have to go into into I mean depends we have to go into into I mean depends we have to go into into military tactics here but I know cost is military tactics here but I know cost is military tactics here but I know cost is really a big factor in a lot of these really a big factor in a lot of these really a big factor in a lot of these department so in edit troops maybe money department so in edit troops maybe money department so in edit troops maybe money baby can in edit troops you might be baby can in edit troops you might be baby can in edit troops you might be able to handun the system so it is able to handun the system so it is able to handun the system so it is reliable yeah no I think it's inevitable reliable yeah no I think it's inevitable reliable yeah no I think it's inevitable get out there it's probably that get out there it's probably that get out there it's probably that generation of tech was probably just not generation of tech was probably just not generation of tech was probably just not quite didn't quite cut the mustard quite didn't quite cut the mustard quite didn't quite cut the mustard that's all but no I think it's all that's all but no I think it's all that's all but no I think it's all getting better just be interesting to getting better just be interesting to getting better just be interesting to see if there's new parts of the new new see if there's new parts of the new new see if there's new parts of the new new groups of folks that adopt this kind of groups of folks that adopt this kind of groups of folks that adopt this kind of technology that then have traditionally technology that then have traditionally technology that then have traditionally adopted it right we've had the meta adopted it right we've had the meta adopted it right we've had the meta Oculus people we've had the hens folks Oculus people we've had the hens folks Oculus people we've had the hens folks so we're apple is it'll be interesting so we're apple is it'll be interesting so we're apple is it'll be interesting to see if they crack it so that there's to see if they crack it so that there's to see if they crack it so that there's new audiences for it that's I mean I new audiences for it that's I mean I new audiences for it that's I mean I think they crack it with the content think they crack it with the content think they crack it with the content like I said we'll see because it was CPU like I said we'll see because it was CPU like I said we'll see because it was CPU and battery and latency all working and battery and latency all working and battery and latency all working together and if you remember the early together and if you remember the early together and if you remember the early ones they had a te they're Tethered to ones they had a te they're Tethered to ones they had a te they're Tethered to some backpack thing and you some backpack thing and you some backpack thing and you know by content I I guess what I was know by content I I guess what I was know by content I I guess what I was referring to is is not the way it's referring to is is not the way it's referring to is is not the way it's surrender the way it's the experience is

surrender the way it's the experience is surrender the way it's the experience is actually the the use case because yeah actually the the use case because yeah actually the the use case because yeah you can watch a movie in the middle of you can watch a movie in the middle of you can watch a movie in the middle of your bedroom you know on a gigant screen your bedroom you know on a gigant screen your bedroom you know on a gigant screen but then by content I mean all those new but then by content I mean all those new but then by content I mean all those new tutorials learning things whatever all tutorials learning things whatever all tutorials learning things whatever all that kind of ecosystem of yeah I want to that kind of ecosystem of yeah I want to that kind of ecosystem of yeah I want to put glasses on because I can do put glasses on because I can do put glasses on because I can do something something something Beyond entertainment I don't see the the Beyond entertainment I don't see the the Beyond entertainment I don't see the the foundation to to create this new foundation to to create this new foundation to to create this new industry of you I don't know if it is industry of you I don't know if it is industry of you I don't know if it is tutorials or new things or whatever but tutorials or new things or whatever but tutorials or new things or whatever but right now what is it watching movies right now what is it watching movies right now what is it watching movies watching videos well there is in the in watching videos well there is in the in watching videos well there is in the in the commercial space for Hol lens there the commercial space for Hol lens there the commercial space for Hol lens there was a lot of uh you know Industrial was a lot of uh you know Industrial was a lot of uh you know Industrial Automation like type of um you know Automation like type of um you know Automation like type of um you know looking at you know real-time data when looking at you know real-time data when looking at you know real-time data when you're inspecting systems and you know you're inspecting systems and you know you're inspecting systems and you know things like that you know engine things like that you know engine things like that you know engine mechanics and you know so that's in the mechanics and you know so that's in the mechanics and you know so that's in the cover space as we said and we this is cover space as we said and we this is cover space as we said and we this is not really necessarily where Apple is not really necessarily where Apple is not really necessarily where Apple is very you know Apple could definitely be very you know Apple could definitely be very you know Apple could definitely be in that space if they have a better in that space if they have a better in that space if they have a better content development story and you know content development story and you know content development story and you know they did this with iPad and iPhone too they did this with iPad and iPhone too they did this with iPad and iPhone too it commer very quickly but the other it commer very quickly but the other it commer very quickly but the other issue we have in this commercial space issue we have in this commercial space issue we have in this commercial space and Robert I know very well is that all and Robert I know very well is that all and Robert I know very well is that all those industrial use cases are extremely those industrial use cases are extremely those industrial use cases are extremely reluctant to reluctant to reluctant to standardization because they want to do standardization because they want to do standardization because they want to do the integration they don't want to share the integration they don't want to share the integration they don't want to share stuff and my point is that as long as stuff and my point is that as long as stuff and my point is that as long as the ecosystem doesn't become a platform the ecosystem doesn't become a platform the ecosystem doesn't become a platform where oh I have a pump here I can share where oh I have a pump here I can share where oh I have a pump here I can share it so you can use it in your application it so you can use it in your application it so you can use it in your application no they all want to remodel the no they all want to remodel the no they all want to remodel the new so cost is lower maybe cost deoy new so cost is lower maybe cost deoy new so cost is lower maybe cost deoy yeah so I think that's the trick we have yeah so I think that's the trick we have yeah so I think that's the trick we have in this whole industrial PES it hasn't in this whole industrial PES it hasn't in this whole industrial PES it hasn't gone at scale because there's a

gone at scale because there's a gone at scale because there's a resistance to standardization because resistance to standardization because resistance to standardization because there is this Obsession to protect there is this Obsession to protect there is this Obsession to protect intellectual property so we break that intellectual property so we break that intellectual property so we break that somebody say hey I've done a pump here's somebody say hey I've done a pump here's somebody say hey I've done a pump here's a digital twin here is a noral lens a digital twin here is a noral lens a digital twin here is a noral lens representation go use it open source it representation go use it open source it representation go use it open source it part of the cost you buy the pump you part of the cost you buy the pump you part of the cost you buy the pump you get the digital model until we reach get the digital model until we reach get the digital model until we reach that it's going to be very tightly that it's going to be very tightly that it's going to be very tightly vertically integrated in specific use vertically integrated in specific use vertically integrated in specific use cases and everybody R doing the same go cases and everybody R doing the same go cases and everybody R doing the same go back to the S so anyway those are good back to the S so anyway those are good back to the S so anyway those are good points points points yeah predictions it's not going to happen predictions it's not going to happen this year but uh so this whole next this year but uh so this whole next this year but uh so this whole next level of industrialization I the thing level of industrialization I the thing level of industrialization I the thing it might already exist but if it doesn't it might already exist but if it doesn't it might already exist but if it doesn't I think the the thing that I'm I think the the thing that I'm I think the the thing that I'm fascinating is that when are we going to fascinating is that when are we going to fascinating is that when are we going to start seeing those llm talking to each start seeing those llm talking to each start seeing those llm talking to each other and having conversations yeah I be other and having conversations yeah I be other and having conversations yeah I be the first step of AI becoming kind of the first step of AI becoming kind of the first step of AI becoming kind of independent they would still not be able independent they would still not be able independent they would still not be able to materialize physically but so talking to materialize physically but so talking to materialize physically but so talking to LMS I think that's going to stop to to LMS I think that's going to stop to to LMS I think that's going to stop to happen yeah it's already happening it's happen yeah it's already happening it's happen yeah it's already happening it's that whole model of that whole model of that whole model of experts yeah I think we're seeing a real experts yeah I think we're seeing a real experts yeah I think we're seeing a real explosion of model I think we're going explosion of model I think we're going explosion of model I think we're going to see uh some AI Co coherency model to see uh some AI Co coherency model to see uh some AI Co coherency model coherency efforts in 2024 there's kind coherency efforts in 2024 there's kind coherency efforts in 2024 there's kind of this Cambrian explosion of llms and of this Cambrian explosion of llms and of this Cambrian explosion of llms and slms as well as Aji models and right now slms as well as Aji models and right now slms as well as Aji models and right now it's all easy easy peasy because it all it's all easy easy peasy because it all it's all easy easy peasy because it all runs on Nvidia in the cloud but as we runs on Nvidia in the cloud but as we runs on Nvidia in the cloud but as we know there's going to be like

know there's going to be like know there's going to be like alternative platforms and different alternative platforms and different alternative platforms and different models going on and right now it's sort models going on and right now it's sort models going on and right now it's sort of a chaos out there in terms of model of a chaos out there in terms of model of a chaos out there in terms of model coherency um and I think we're going to coherency um and I think we're going to coherency um and I think we're going to see folks like you know the Nvidia tow see folks like you know the Nvidia tow see folks like you know the Nvidia tow uh tools and Edge impulse and modular uh tools and Edge impulse and modular uh tools and Edge impulse and modular doai and you know everyone's going to be doai and you know everyone's going to be doai and you know everyone's going to be sort of putting their hat in the ring to sort of putting their hat in the ring to sort of putting their hat in the ring to say I'm going to help solve this AI say I'm going to help solve this AI say I'm going to help solve this AI model coherency issue between Edge and model coherency issue between Edge and model coherency issue between Edge and cloud and different models out there so cloud and different models out there so cloud and different models out there so I think we'll see some progress against I think we'll see some progress against I think we'll see some progress against that but right now it's just sort of that but right now it's just sort of that but right now it's just sort of like every day there's a new AI model like every day there's a new AI model like every day there's a new AI model that's amazing that's from someone else that's amazing that's from someone else that's amazing that's from someone else and you know how do these all things and you know how do these all things and you know how do these all things work together I mean the Demetri's point work together I mean the Demetri's point work together I mean the Demetri's point we'll see some more coherency work I we'll see some more coherency work I we'll see some more coherency work I think in think in think in 24 what about Rob 24 what about Rob 24 what about Rob I don't know man I think we're closer to I don't know man I think we're closer to I don't know man I think we're closer to being into the Matrix more than ever I being into the Matrix more than ever I being into the Matrix more than ever I don't know um yeah I know you know you don't know um yeah I know you know you don't know um yeah I know you know you don't you're right there there's don't you're right there there's don't you're right there there's exciting stuff yeah it's weird you know exciting stuff yeah it's weird you know exciting stuff yeah it's weird you know I've talked about this before there's I've talked about this before there's I've talked about this before there's the you know I used to spend a lot of the you know I used to spend a lot of the you know I used to spend a lot of time you know I built technology to help time you know I built technology to help time you know I built technology to help companies get to Net Zero and emissions companies get to Net Zero and emissions companies get to Net Zero and emissions and the whole climate change thing um and the whole climate change thing um and the whole climate change thing um but I have to admit I kind of get I but I have to admit I kind of get I but I have to admit I kind of get I start to get jaded or start to go you start to get jaded or start to go you start to get jaded or start to go you know the people are all killing each know the people are all killing each know the people are all killing each other and killing themselves and other and killing themselves and other and killing themselves and destroying Society like there's a lot of destroying Society like there's a lot of destroying Society like there's a lot of focus on destructive things for variety focus on destructive things for variety focus on destructive things for variety reasons you know and I I just wonder all

reasons you know and I I just wonder all reasons you know and I I just wonder all this great thing we're working on we're this great thing we're working on we're this great thing we're working on we're working on AI and we're working on working on AI and we're working on working on AI and we're working on saving the planet and all this other saving the planet and all this other saving the planet and all this other stuff but at the same time in the stuff but at the same time in the stuff but at the same time in the background you background you background you know the same human stuff is happening know the same human stuff is happening know the same human stuff is happening that flies in the face of progress do that flies in the face of progress do that flies in the face of progress do you know what I mean that's actually you know what I mean that's actually you know what I mean that's actually going the other direction and so um you going the other direction and so um you going the other direction and so um you know it's it's it's kind of a it's kind know it's it's it's kind of a it's kind know it's it's it's kind of a it's kind of a weird thing no I I'm totally with of a weird thing no I I'm totally with of a weird thing no I I'm totally with you on that I think we the kind of the you on that I think we the kind of the you on that I think we the kind of the bubble we live in will continue to exist bubble we live in will continue to exist bubble we live in will continue to exist in in in 2024 but because we live in a bubble we 2024 but because we live in a bubble we 2024 but because we live in a bubble we have we live in a bubble we we on the have we live in a bubble we we on the have we live in a bubble we we on the ground in some other country right now ground in some other country right now ground in some other country right now where just hoping to not get killed or where just hoping to not get killed or where just hoping to not get killed or have fine food to eat we aren't having have fine food to eat we aren't having have fine food to eat we aren't having this this this conversation we have two we have two conversation we have two we have two conversation we have two we have two major geopolitical war happening at the major geopolitical war happening at the major geopolitical war happening at the moment you want to see technology being moment you want to see technology being moment you want to see technology being used in innovative ways just go to um used in innovative ways just go to um used in innovative ways just go to um the the Russia Ukraine theater and the the Russia Ukraine theater and the the Russia Ukraine theater and that's where you're seeing a lot of that's where you're seeing a lot of that's where you're seeing a lot of drones Technologies Dr drones Technologies Dr drones Technologies Dr techion not to grow more crops you know techion not to grow more crops you know techion not to grow more crops you know more efficiently and uh Foster more efficiently and uh Foster more efficiently and uh Foster sustainability in you're right if we're sustainability in you're right if we're sustainability in you're right if we're talking to someone on the battlefield in talking to someone on the battlefield in talking to someone on the battlefield in Ukraine right now and they're like what Ukraine right now and they're like what Ukraine right now and they're like what were the hell were you guys talking were the hell were you guys talking were the hell were you guys talking about better crop yields with drones and about better crop yields with drones and about better crop yields with drones and iot or better making more widgets he's

iot or better making more widgets he's iot or better making more widgets he's like what planet do you guys live on like what planet do you guys live on like what planet do you guys live on yeah you know we're gra we're we're yeah you know we're gra we're we're yeah you know we're gra we're we're bidding mavic Pros you know from China bidding mavic Pros you know from China bidding mavic Pros you know from China and dropping grenades on people in and dropping grenades on people in and dropping grenades on people in trenches like World War I meets the 21st trenches like World War I meets the 21st trenches like World War I meets the 21st century and so yeah just depending on century and so yeah just depending on century and so yeah just depending on where you live because you're right we where you live because you're right we where you live because you're right we are in a bubble and people might say you are in a bubble and people might say you are in a bubble and people might say you guys are in la la land um I don't know guys are in la la land um I don't know guys are in la la land um I don't know yeah by the way I me maybe I shouldn't yeah by the way I me maybe I shouldn't yeah by the way I me maybe I shouldn't do that but this is a piece I got you do that but this is a piece I got you do that but this is a piece I got you know it's a it's a made in Russia know it's a it's a made in Russia know it's a it's a made in Russia recycled in recycled in recycled in Ukraine it's a it's a piece of a Russian Ukraine it's a it's a piece of a Russian Ukraine it's a it's a piece of a Russian tank made recy in Ukraine that looks tank made recy in Ukraine that looks tank made recy in Ukraine that looks like an M1 that doesn't look like is like an M1 that doesn't look like is like an M1 that doesn't look like is that an M1 tank on there or is it yeah that an M1 tank on there or is it yeah that an M1 tank on there or is it yeah it's a it's no it's a t72 it's a t t72 it's a it's no it's a t72 it's a t t72 it's a it's no it's a t72 it's a t t72 yeah so there's a place where they they yeah so there's a place where they they yeah so there's a place where they they take pieces of t72 actually it comes take pieces of t72 actually it comes take pieces of t72 actually it comes with a bar code and you have the picture with a bar code and you have the picture with a bar code and you have the picture of the tank where it come from it's a of the tank where it come from it's a of the tank where it come from it's a pretty smart so anyway so I it's a it's pretty smart so anyway so I it's a it's pretty smart so anyway so I it's a it's a it's a stick I'm having here but I um a it's a stick I'm having here but I um a it's a stick I'm having here but I um that's it so yeah yeah totally um you that's it so yeah yeah totally um you that's it so yeah yeah totally um you know so yeah weird stuff and so I guess know so yeah weird stuff and so I guess know so yeah weird stuff and so I guess the world's complicated and all kinds of the world's complicated and all kinds of the world's complicated and all kinds of things are all happening things are all happening things are all happening simultaneously and depending on where simultaneously and depending on where simultaneously and depending on where you live things are great or it you live things are great or it you live things are great or it sucks and you don't have time to think sucks and you don't have time to think sucks and you don't have time to think about the future you might just think about the future you might just think about the future you might just think about your trying to find your next meal about your trying to find your next meal about your trying to find your next meal you know or getting shot something you you know or getting shot something you you know or getting shot something you but then I think that's a great point but then I think that's a great point but then I think that's a great point maybe that that's why we need uh you maybe that that's why we need uh you maybe that that's why we need uh you know there's going to be

know there's going to be know there's going to be less 2024 might be the year where um less 2024 might be the year where um less 2024 might be the year where um being a futurist is going going to be being a futurist is going going to be being a futurist is going going to be less valuable than having more of a less valuable than having more of a less valuable than having more of a near-term view of you know how you can near-term view of you know how you can near-term view of you know how you can apply Technologies in a beneficial way apply Technologies in a beneficial way apply Technologies in a beneficial way and and you know help Society avoid its and and you know help Society avoid its and and you know help Society avoid its use in ways that are are are use in ways that are are are use in ways that are are are counterproductive you know okay I agree counterproductive you know okay I agree counterproductive you know okay I agree with you you know there's I think it was with you you know there's I think it was with you you know there's I think it was weird somebody characterized gen you weird somebody characterized gen you weird somebody characterized gen you know know know 20123 um as being um generally negative 20123 um as being um generally negative 20123 um as being um generally negative for AI I was like no it is it was for AI I was like no it is it was for AI I was like no it is it was hyperbolic it was way off the charts in hyperbolic it was way off the charts in hyperbolic it was way off the charts in terms of what people were saying it can terms of what people were saying it can terms of what people were saying it can do and the benefits it can bring what we do and the benefits it can bring what we do and the benefits it can bring what we have to figure out is how to um have to figure out is how to um have to figure out is how to um countervail a lot of the the scale out countervail a lot of the the scale out countervail a lot of the the scale out and much easier um applications of the and much easier um applications of the and much easier um applications of the technology for detriment right and technology for detriment right and technology for detriment right and that's way easier you know MH and that's way easier you know MH and that's way easier you know MH and you know but you know I think I think you know but you know I think I think you know but you know I think I think we'll see a lot of which is good we'll see a lot of which is good we'll see a lot of which is good there'll be a lot of energy around like there'll be a lot of energy around like there'll be a lot of energy around like how to you know harness AI or I would how to you know harness AI or I would how to you know harness AI or I would want to say contain it because it's not want to say contain it because it's not want to say contain it because it's not containable but I think those you know a containable but I think those you know a containable but I think those you know a lot of governments a lot of you know lot of governments a lot of you know lot of governments a lot of you know regulatory bodies a lot of folks are regulatory bodies a lot of folks are regulatory bodies a lot of folks are kind of going to be weighing in now that kind of going to be weighing in now that kind of going to be weighing in now that we've Unleashed this thing on the geni we've Unleashed this thing on the geni we've Unleashed this thing on the geni side I'm sure there'll be a lot of

side I'm sure there'll be a lot of side I'm sure there'll be a lot of discussion around it in 24 we'll see if discussion around it in 24 we'll see if discussion around it in 24 we'll see if there's any action but there's any action but there's any action but uh yeah that's the challenge uh yeah that's the challenge uh yeah that's the challenge yeah cool all right so guys ready to yeah cool all right so guys ready to yeah cool all right so guys ready to wrap up the wrap up the wrap up the first first episode of first first episode of first first episode of 2024 yes let's wrap it up you know it's 2024 yes let's wrap it up you know it's 2024 yes let's wrap it up you know it's funny I did hear Demitri say that there funny I did hear Demitri say that there funny I did hear Demitri say that there were MP3 players before the iPod I was were MP3 players before the iPod I was were MP3 players before the iPod I was wondering Pete were there any wondering Pete were there any wondering Pete were there any smartphones that came out before the smartphones that came out before the smartphones that came out before the iPhone maybe we should explore that iPhone maybe we should explore that iPhone maybe we should explore that topic oh there was there was ton of them topic oh there was there was ton of them topic oh there was there was ton of them the the the noia no noia no noia no Communicator yeah y handspring well Communicator yeah y handspring well Communicator yeah y handspring well remember the portable media center we remember the portable media center we remember the portable media center we should probably talk about that at some should probably talk about that at some should probably talk about that at some point too talk about pre iPod I mean point too talk about pre iPod I mean point too talk about pre iPod I mean that was uh the big creative Labs that was uh the big creative Labs that was uh the big creative Labs portable media center B thing like a CD portable media center B thing like a CD portable media center B thing like a CD player but yeah yeah I see I still have player but yeah yeah I see I still have player but yeah yeah I see I still have a zorus a zorus a zorus from java one yes me too module so yeah from java one yes me too module so yeah from java one yes me too module so yeah those yes that's right they gave them those yes that's right they gave them those yes that's right they gave them away at that Java 1 conference yes I but away at that Java 1 conference yes I but away at that Java 1 conference yes I but again what Apple did is bring the again what Apple did is bring the again what Apple did is bring the ecosystem because you had to have the ecosystem because you had to have the ecosystem because you had to have the content even though the apps in the content even though the apps in the content even though the apps in the beginning were not that there you just beginning were not that there you just beginning were not that there you just go to Napster and download all your MP3s go to Napster and download all your MP3s go to Napster and download all your MP3s in the clear and then you Sid loaded in the clear and then you Sid loaded in the clear and then you Sid loaded them with a USB cable and you're good to them with a USB cable and you're good to them with a USB cable and you're good to go that's all exactly you go to Pirate go that's all exactly you go to Pirate go that's all exactly you go to Pirate Bay and download the entire internet you Bay and download the entire internet you Bay and download the entire internet you know that's what I heard people did I know that's what I heard people did I know that's what I heard people did I don't know I it boils down to this and don't know I it boils down to this and don't know I it boils down to this and this is why like apple doesn't care

this is why like apple doesn't care this is why like apple doesn't care about folks say well you go are about folks say well you go are about folks say well you go are innovators um coming out with the idea innovators um coming out with the idea innovators um coming out with the idea is probably not that difficult what's is probably not that difficult what's is probably not that difficult what's difficult is making that idea great and difficult is making that idea great and difficult is making that idea great and that's what Apple you know people argue that's what Apple you know people argue that's what Apple you know people argue but that's what they do and that's what but that's what they do and that's what but that's what they do and that's what I think they're doing with Vision Pro I think they're doing with Vision Pro I think they're doing with Vision Pro and like we've said several times and on and like we've said several times and on and like we've said several times and on the show disruption never happens from the show disruption never happens from the show disruption never happens from the bottom it always happens from the the bottom it always happens from the the bottom it always happens from the top you know it starts with something top you know it starts with something top you know it starts with something great application of a let's say a lower great application of a let's say a lower great application of a let's say a lower grade or what was a a you know a lower grade or what was a a you know a lower grade or what was a a you know a lower tier technology being applied in a great tier technology being applied in a great tier technology being applied in a great way and not like what meta is doing or way and not like what meta is doing or way and not like what meta is doing or other guys have been doing which is other guys have been doing which is other guys have been doing which is trying to create a commodity thing and trying to create a commodity thing and trying to create a commodity thing and try to drive Mass adoption that way try to drive Mass adoption that way try to drive Mass adoption that way Tesla didn't start off that way GM did Tesla didn't start off that way GM did Tesla didn't start off that way GM did took that approach wasn't successful took that approach wasn't successful took that approach wasn't successful Tesla charged whatever $80,000 for the Tesla charged whatever $80,000 for the Tesla charged whatever $80,000 for the first first first car and that's what paid for everything car and that's what paid for everything car and that's what paid for everything else and then first else and then first else and then first Lotus yeah the Lotus yeah so and I think Lotus yeah the Lotus yeah so and I think Lotus yeah the Lotus yeah so and I think that's something that a lot of folks get that's something that a lot of folks get that's something that a lot of folks get twisted they think that somehow twisted they think that somehow twisted they think that somehow disruption happens with like commodity disruption happens with like commodity disruption happens with like commodity cheap that doesn't work that cheap that doesn't work that cheap that doesn't work that way I can't think of a honestly I can't way I can't think of a honestly I can't way I can't think of a honestly I can't think of a instance where that it's think of a instance where that it's think of a instance where that it's happened that way you know even the happened that way you know even the happened that way you know even the smartphone you know oh yeah always

smartphone you know oh yeah always smartphone you know oh yeah always starts up here and scales as the price starts up here and scales as the price starts up here and scales as the price comes down right yeah yeah and it's it's comes down right yeah yeah and it's it's comes down right yeah yeah and it's it's butt ass expensive think about how butt ass expensive think about how butt ass expensive think about how expensive the first PC expensive the first PC expensive the first PC was your first Apple how expensive oh was your first Apple how expensive oh was your first Apple how expensive oh you can't it's blurred out but the Mac you can't it's blurred out but the Mac you can't it's blurred out but the Mac was in today's dollars is like was in today's dollars is like was in today's dollars is like $7,000 and that first Mac was the cheap $7,000 and that first Mac was the cheap $7,000 and that first Mac was the cheap version versus the version versus the version versus the Lisa which one's $10,000 it's like well Lisa which one's $10,000 it's like well Lisa which one's $10,000 it's like well Lisa so let's make this cheap version of Lisa so let's make this cheap version of Lisa so let's make this cheap version of Delisa that everyone can buy because Delisa that everyone can buy because Delisa that everyone can buy because it's half price it cost as much as a car it's half price it cost as much as a car it's half price it cost as much as a car back then yeah about it you could have back then yeah about it you could have back then yeah about it you could have bought two Hundai xl's the original one bought two Hundai xl's the original one bought two Hundai xl's the original one yeah yeah for the price of yeah yeah for the price of yeah yeah for the price of Alisa yes yes I just all I wanted to buy Alisa yes yes I just all I wanted to buy Alisa yes yes I just all I wanted to buy back then was the next Cube ah yeah I back then was the next Cube ah yeah I back then was the next Cube ah yeah I had one of those like 12,000 or some had one of those like 12,000 or some had one of those like 12,000 or some ridiculous they were awesome that was ridiculous they were awesome that was ridiculous they were awesome that was cool they were very cool yes I remember cool they were very cool yes I remember cool they were very cool yes I remember to computer and they had the next Cube to computer and they had the next Cube to computer and they had the next Cube and I'm like oh my God oh my yeah I and I'm like oh my God oh my yeah I and I'm like oh my God oh my yeah I remember that all right thanks for remember that all right thanks for remember that all right thanks for joining us first joining us first joining us first episode for episode for episode for 2024 it's all positive it's all good we 2024 it's all positive it's all good we 2024 it's all positive it's all good we got some great predictions or not really got some great predictions or not really got some great predictions or not really and um you know who knows how this is and um you know who knows how this is and um you know who knows how this is going to play out but we're going to be going to play out but we're going to be going to play out but we're going to be here yeah giving you a play-by-play here yeah giving you a play-by-play here yeah giving you a play-by-play color commentary on what's going on in

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