IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 151 - Almost Everclear IoT!

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there yeah you know there yeah you know yeah we are almost ever this is this is yeah we are almost ever this is this is yeah we are almost ever this is this is like you know a new level here at 151 like you know a new level here at 151 like you know a new level here at 151 that I mean if you make it that this far that I mean if you make it that this far that I mean if you make it that this far in a podcast or a webcast or whatever in a podcast or a webcast or whatever in a podcast or a webcast or whatever whatever it is that we are then you know whatever it is that we are then you know whatever it is that we are then you know I think it's pretty legendary stuff you I think it's pretty legendary stuff you I think it's pretty legendary stuff you know I guess we actually are legit you know I guess we actually are legit you know I guess we actually are legit you know lots of spam emails and texts and stuff lots of spam emails and texts and stuff from people saying hey I saw you had a from people saying hey I saw you had a from people saying hey I saw you had a podcast we're experts at podcast dealers podcast we're experts at podcast dealers podcast we're experts at podcast dealers oh my God it's like the same guys who oh my God it's like the same guys who oh my God it's like the same guys who are the CEO search engine optimization are the CEO search engine optimization are the CEO search engine optimization guys yeah they blame the podcast guys guys yeah they blame the podcast guys guys yeah they blame the podcast guys yeah you know if you think about it yeah yeah you know if you think about it yeah yeah you know if you think about it yeah it's it's it's all it's all just a game it's it's it's all it's all just a game it's it's it's all it's all just a game it's vapor you know um I think one of it's vapor you know um I think one of it's vapor you know um I think one of the things that makes us the things that makes us the things that makes us um maybe a little bit different is we um maybe a little bit different is we um maybe a little bit different is we don't chase the the numbers and we try don't chase the the numbers and we try don't chase the the numbers and we try to grow our audience organically and to grow our audience organically and to grow our audience organically and oddly people watch the show you know oddly people watch the show you know oddly people watch the show you know right it's like the weirdest thing in right it's like the weirdest thing in right it's like the weirdest thing in the world and I mean maybe they listen the world and I mean maybe they listen the world and I mean maybe they listen in for about five minutes but there's in for about five minutes but there's in for about five minutes but there's some people who just listen to the whole some people who just listen to the whole some people who just listen to the whole thing and when we go to conferences and thing and when we go to conferences and thing and when we go to conferences and events I mean we always pump in the events I mean we always pump in the events I mean we always pump in the piece like you're the iot coffee time piece like you're the iot coffee time piece like you're the iot coffee time this is the best show I mean this is this is the best show I mean this is this is the best show I mean this is like the Heyday of sitcoms like in uh like the Heyday of sitcoms like in uh like the Heyday of sitcoms like in uh yeah I mean you know yeah yeah you get home

I mean you know yeah yeah you get home after school and all the reruns are on after school and all the reruns are on after school and all the reruns are on you know and Gilligan's Island and now you know and Gilligan's Island and now you know and Gilligan's Island and now you have iot coffee talk you have iot coffee talk you have iot coffee talk there you go in many cases it was more there you go in many cases it was more there you go in many cases it was more entertaining than maybe even Gilligan's entertaining than maybe even Gilligan's entertaining than maybe even Gilligan's Island I don't know Island I don't know Island I don't know man Gilligan's Island that was a great man Gilligan's Island that was a great man Gilligan's Island that was a great show and Gomer Pyle yeah I'll leave okay I'll leave okay who the hell is that who Gomer Pyle who the hell is that who Gomer Pyle who the hell is that who Gomer Pyle hahaha hahaha hahaha come on Sergeant Carter you know those I come on Sergeant Carter you know those I come on Sergeant Carter you know those I I forget everyone's name that I meet I forget everyone's name that I meet I forget everyone's name that I meet these days right but I remember those these days right but I remember those these days right but I remember those names for some reason Gomer Pyle names for some reason Gomer Pyle names for some reason Gomer Pyle Gilligan uh Ginger Marianne Gilligan uh Ginger Marianne Gilligan uh Ginger Marianne yeah sure you sure you remember them yeah sure you sure you remember them yeah sure you sure you remember them yeah so in this day and age we're yeah so in this day and age we're yeah so in this day and age we're probably not allowed to talk about probably not allowed to talk about probably not allowed to talk about who we liked better ginger or Marianne who we liked better ginger or Marianne who we liked better ginger or Marianne would be canceled yeah yeah it would be would be canceled yeah yeah it would be would be canceled yeah yeah it would be a her it's a her it's a her yeah yeah a her it's a her it's a her yeah yeah a her it's a her it's a her yeah yeah but uh hey what's up what's up in the but uh hey what's up what's up in the but uh hey what's up what's up in the world of iot these days or do we even world of iot these days or do we even world of iot these days or do we even talk about iot that much anymore it talk about iot that much anymore it talk about iot that much anymore it seems like we talk about Chad GPT all seems like we talk about Chad GPT all seems like we talk about Chad GPT all the time oh by the way Steve you need to the time oh by the way Steve you need to the time oh by the way Steve you need to wear oh I'm sorry problem man well I'm wear oh I'm sorry problem man well I'm wear oh I'm sorry problem man well I'm out here at uh University Colorado out here at uh University Colorado out here at uh University Colorado University Boulder doing a two-day University Boulder doing a two-day University Boulder doing a two-day session with all my well all the session with all my well all the session with all my well all the students and things and and also students and things and and also students and things and and also Founders and stuff so I had to look good

Founders and stuff so I had to look good Founders and stuff so I had to look good but I know I look good in the T-shirt but I know I look good in the T-shirt but I know I look good in the T-shirt what are you saying are you telling me what are you saying are you telling me what are you saying are you telling me that I don't look good no you look that I don't look good no you look that I don't look good no you look stunning dude you look stunning I just stunning dude you look stunning I just stunning dude you look stunning I just don't look good you know it's better to do than to feel you know it's better to do than to feel good as they say so Steve is is this good as they say so Steve is is this good as they say so Steve is is this like where you're gonna break the hard like where you're gonna break the hard like where you're gonna break the hard truth maybe to some of these PhD truth maybe to some of these PhD truth maybe to some of these PhD I'm rob you you I know what you did and I'm rob you you I know what you did and I'm rob you you I know what you did and I know what I will do so there you go I know what I will do so there you go I know what I will do so there you go um you know so um you know so um you know so yeah well you know what it's it's it's yeah well you know what it's it's it's yeah well you know what it's it's it's interesting so the posters and some of interesting so the posters and some of interesting so the posters and some of the other stuff that's going on this the other stuff that's going on this the other stuff that's going on this afternoon Rock so I can't wait to see afternoon Rock so I can't wait to see afternoon Rock so I can't wait to see that but that but that but um so and for everybody in the audience um so and for everybody in the audience um so and for everybody in the audience uh Rob was the keynote speaker at uh the uh Rob was the keynote speaker at uh the uh Rob was the keynote speaker at uh the fall edition of the event for this um fall edition of the event for this um fall edition of the event for this um it's it's an NSF funded center that is it's it's an NSF funded center that is it's it's an NSF funded center that is specialized on a i m l and Edge specialized on a i m l and Edge specialized on a i m l and Edge Computing in the iot space so it's Computing in the iot space so it's Computing in the iot space so it's Colorado Boulder it's Oregon State Colorado Boulder it's Oregon State Colorado Boulder it's Oregon State University and Oakland University or University and Oakland University or University and Oakland University or three universities and have funding from three universities and have funding from three universities and have funding from NSF but also members Intel NEC Ford NSF but also members Intel NEC Ford NSF but also members Intel NEC Ford Boeing are paying for our the students Boeing are paying for our the students Boeing are paying for our the students and the professors to do research and the professors to do research and the professors to do research projects and so we get together every projects and so we get together every projects and so we get together every six months to assign new projects to get six months to assign new projects to get six months to assign new projects to get voted on by the members and the faculty

voted on by the members and the faculty voted on by the members and the faculty so if you don't come with your A-game so if you don't come with your A-game so if you don't come with your A-game and have a really cool Innovative idea and have a really cool Innovative idea and have a really cool Innovative idea you're not going to get funded and you're not going to get funded and you're not going to get funded and what's happened and Rob and I have what's happened and Rob and I have what's happened and Rob and I have experienced this uh has been sometimes experienced this uh has been sometimes experienced this uh has been sometimes and I know you'll all be shocked about and I know you'll all be shocked about and I know you'll all be shocked about this out there in iot talk coffee talk this out there in iot talk coffee talk this out there in iot talk coffee talk land but one of the things is that these land but one of the things is that these land but one of the things is that these professors never get out into the real professors never get out into the real professors never get out into the real world yeah come to a trade show or world yeah come to a trade show or world yeah come to a trade show or listen to Rob and you speak about listen to Rob and you speak about listen to Rob and you speak about various subjects and so when students various subjects and so when students various subjects and so when students come to them with ideas for project work come to them with ideas for project work come to them with ideas for project work one of the things is that they don't one of the things is that they don't one of the things is that they don't know that other companies have already know that other companies have already know that other companies have already been deploying this yes with other been deploying this yes with other been deploying this yes with other companies competing against them and so companies competing against them and so companies competing against them and so that's where I get to the point of where that's where I get to the point of where that's where I get to the point of where I'm the bad cop because I'm turning I'm the bad cop because I'm turning I'm the bad cop because I'm turning around trying to tell these kids quite around trying to tell these kids quite around trying to tell these kids quite literally an example last night I was looking at an example last night I was looking at one of the posters by this young lady one of the posters by this young lady one of the posters by this young lady very smart intelligent PhD student from very smart intelligent PhD student from very smart intelligent PhD student from Oakland State University I mean for Oakland State University I mean for Oakland State University I mean for Oakland University Oakland University Oakland University and it was about iot Smart Home and it was about iot Smart Home and it was about iot Smart Home Technology and the relationship of Technology and the relationship of Technology and the relationship of Amazon to it and I'm like going girl Amazon to it and I'm like going girl Amazon to it and I'm like going girl this is already done you might as well this is already done you might as well this is already done you might as well take the poster and you know and and of take the poster and you know and and of take the poster and you know and and of course I'm breaking your heart and course I'm breaking your heart and course I'm breaking your heart and breaking her thoughts I know I know but breaking her thoughts I know I know but breaking her thoughts I know I know but you gotta do these things because these

you gotta do these things because these you gotta do these things because these students have got to get out into the students have got to get out into the students have got to get out into the real world and so it's listen I love real world and so it's listen I love real world and so it's listen I love doing it it's you know it's a give back doing it it's you know it's a give back doing it it's you know it's a give back kind of thing I mean yeah it's you know kind of thing I mean yeah it's you know kind of thing I mean yeah it's you know from my standpoint from my standpoint from my standpoint um but I you know I'd love to get you um but I you know I'd love to get you um but I you know I'd love to get you know I got Rob involved I'd love to get know I got Rob involved I'd love to get know I got Rob involved I'd love to get you Leonard involved in this because oh you Leonard involved in this because oh you Leonard involved in this because oh my God my God my God thing it's a really good okay no I'd thing it's a really good okay no I'd thing it's a really good okay no I'd love to actually you know now now that love to actually you know now now that love to actually you know now now that I've listened to what you've just said I've listened to what you've just said I've listened to what you've just said and you know listen to the stuff that and you know listen to the stuff that and you know listen to the stuff that you guys have done which I think is you guys have done which I think is you guys have done which I think is great I think iot Coffee Talk should be great I think iot Coffee Talk should be great I think iot Coffee Talk should be just standard curriculum material for just standard curriculum material for just standard curriculum material for any engineering University I mean quite any engineering University I mean quite any engineering University I mean quite honestly and b-school you know I mean honestly and b-school you know I mean honestly and b-school you know I mean dirty laundry is like revolutionary dirty laundry is like revolutionary dirty laundry is like revolutionary Battlestar Galactica I mean come on Battlestar Galactica I mean come on Battlestar Galactica I mean come on you know what I'm saying you know we've you know what I'm saying you know we've you know what I'm saying you know we've already talked about stuff that now already talked about stuff that now already talked about stuff that now people are talking about we talked about people are talking about we talked about people are talking about we talked about trust at the beginning now everyone's trust at the beginning now everyone's trust at the beginning now everyone's talking about trust before it was about talking about trust before it was about talking about trust before it was about security and then you know uh and so security and then you know uh and so security and then you know uh and so yeah I mean it might sound funny but yeah I mean it might sound funny but yeah I mean it might sound funny but it's it's true there's a there's a lot it's it's true there's a there's a lot it's it's true there's a there's a lot of stuff of stuff of stuff here you know he's talking about being here you know he's talking about being here you know he's talking about being the bad cop they're going to do their the bad cop they're going to do their the bad cop they're going to do their pitches and he's kind of shark tank he pitches and he's kind of shark tank he pitches and he's kind of shark tank he looks like Mr Wonderful you know looks like Mr Wonderful you know looks like Mr Wonderful you know okay um um yeah thanks but Leonard you brought up

yeah thanks but Leonard you brought up yeah thanks but Leonard you brought up Chad gbt there are at least five Chad gbt there are at least five Chad gbt there are at least five projects here that are iot and chat gvt projects here that are iot and chat gvt projects here that are iot and chat gvt related related related surprise yeah surprise yeah surprise yeah I wonder how they're using it I wonder how they're using it I wonder how they're using it um in the Baseline stuff the programming um in the Baseline stuff the programming um in the Baseline stuff the programming start you know using it for evaluation start you know using it for evaluation start you know using it for evaluation code uh evaluation a certain uh aspects code uh evaluation a certain uh aspects code uh evaluation a certain uh aspects of AI and iot so you know the basic use of AI and iot so you know the basic use of AI and iot so you know the basic use cases that you would expect by the end of 2023 every company will by the end of 2023 every company will have somehow integrated GPT into their have somehow integrated GPT into their have somehow integrated GPT into their product whether it makes sense or not product whether it makes sense or not product whether it makes sense or not they'll just bolt it on is that before they'll just bolt it on is that before they'll just bolt it on is that before or after the U.S government-sponsored or after the U.S government-sponsored or after the U.S government-sponsored moratorium on chat gbt for six months uh moratorium on chat gbt for six months uh moratorium on chat gbt for six months uh it's uh no that that that's not going to it's uh no that that that's not going to it's uh no that that that's not going to happen I think what's what's happening happen I think what's what's happening happen I think what's what's happening is what you're seeing in Europe is what you're seeing in Europe is what you're seeing in Europe um what you see in China I mean China's um what you see in China I mean China's um what you see in China I mean China's flat you know banned I think uh chat GPT flat you know banned I think uh chat GPT flat you know banned I think uh chat GPT you know that being separate from you you know that being separate from you you know that being separate from you know know know um GPT uh X right I mean um GPT uh X right I mean um GPT uh X right I mean um but the applications they're banning um but the applications they're banning um but the applications they're banning and and I think especially the public and and I think especially the public and and I think especially the public ones so you know ones so you know ones so you know my whole thing is this stuff is all my whole thing is this stuff is all my whole thing is this stuff is all still like super r d right um if you go still like super r d right um if you go still like super r d right um if you go and you go to like the Nvidia conference and you go to like the Nvidia conference and you go to like the Nvidia conference and you listen to what the researchers

and you listen to what the researchers and you listen to what the researchers and the product development guys are and the product development guys are and the product development guys are talking about it's still pretty green talking about it's still pretty green talking about it's still pretty green stuff it's just somebody decided hey stuff it's just somebody decided hey stuff it's just somebody decided hey we're gonna put it we're gonna make it we're gonna put it we're gonna make it we're gonna put it we're gonna make it public and we're going to try to public and we're going to try to public and we're going to try to monetize it right and that I think comes monetize it right and that I think comes monetize it right and that I think comes that's the genie that's out you know out that's the genie that's out you know out that's the genie that's out you know out of the bottle now and it's gonna get of the bottle now and it's gonna get of the bottle now and it's gonna get like a crazy reaction it is it's like a crazy reaction it is it's like a crazy reaction it is it's starting to now that being said some of starting to now that being said some of starting to now that being said some of the more you know it's it's technology the more you know it's it's technology the more you know it's it's technology it has potential it has uses today that it has potential it has uses today that it has potential it has uses today that it it's probably useful for uh but I it it's probably useful for uh but I it it's probably useful for uh but I think it's going to be useful for in think it's going to be useful for in think it's going to be useful for in more of like Silo silos versus the more of like Silo silos versus the more of like Silo silos versus the public you know I think uh controlled public you know I think uh controlled public you know I think uh controlled um and uh controlled environments if you um and uh controlled environments if you um and uh controlled environments if you will right because the you still have to will right because the you still have to will right because the you still have to test the thing you have to figure out test the thing you have to figure out test the thing you have to figure out whether it really works it's valuable whether it really works it's valuable whether it really works it's valuable and then maintain that just like any and then maintain that just like any and then maintain that just like any data store or application right you have data store or application right you have data store or application right you have to maintain the integrated data also you to maintain the integrated data also you to maintain the integrated data also you have to constantly monitor the the have to constantly monitor the the have to constantly monitor the the outputs to make sure you know the thing outputs to make sure you know the thing outputs to make sure you know the thing isn't like it's it isn't crap in and isn't like it's it isn't crap in and isn't like it's it isn't crap in and then exponentially crappy crap on the then exponentially crappy crap on the then exponentially crappy crap on the other side do you know what I'm saying other side do you know what I'm saying other side do you know what I'm saying so I don't think any of those basic so I don't think any of those basic so I don't think any of those basic rules change but putting this stuff out rules change but putting this stuff out rules change but putting this stuff out in the public that is a different that's in the public that is a different that's in the public that is a different that's an entirely because there's a lot of an entirely because there's a lot of an entirely because there's a lot of crap out there that's I think that's crap out there that's I think that's crap out there that's I think that's what people are really afraid of uh you what people are really afraid of uh you what people are really afraid of uh you know it's the Public Public uh

know it's the Public Public uh know it's the Public Public uh applications where you have to scratch applications where you have to scratch applications where you have to scratch your head wondering okay your head wondering okay your head wondering okay um what what what is the good that can um what what what is the good that can um what what what is the good that can come out of that given you know how much come out of that given you know how much come out of that given you know how much junk is out there how much bad data you junk is out there how much bad data you junk is out there how much bad data you know so yep anyway Leonard I believe know so yep anyway Leonard I believe know so yep anyway Leonard I believe Leonard when you hear insert name of Leonard when you hear insert name of Leonard when you hear insert name of country saying oh we're Banning it we're country saying oh we're Banning it we're country saying oh we're Banning it we're not using it I don't believe that for a not using it I don't believe that for a not using it I don't believe that for a second I think the big difference second I think the big difference second I think the big difference between what you broadcast to the world between what you broadcast to the world between what you broadcast to the world and what researchers and Military and what researchers and Military and what researchers and Military Intelligence Spokes and a lot of other Intelligence Spokes and a lot of other Intelligence Spokes and a lot of other people people people scurrying as fast as they can to get an scurrying as fast as they can to get an scurrying as fast as they can to get an edge and get ahead using this technology edge and get ahead using this technology edge and get ahead using this technology uh because the you know that's when we uh because the you know that's when we uh because the you know that's when we hear about doing a pause hear about doing a pause hear about doing a pause the counter to that is I guarantee you the counter to that is I guarantee you the counter to that is I guarantee you these other governments are adversary these other governments are adversary these other governments are adversary competitors they're not pausing yeah competitors they're not pausing yeah competitors they're not pausing yeah yeah I agree with you and this is where yeah I agree with you and this is where yeah I agree with you and this is where there's you know where there's you know where there's you know where we have a problem where when we call we have a problem where when we call we have a problem where when we call everything technology we confuse everything technology we confuse everything technology we confuse ourselves there's a difference between ourselves there's a difference between ourselves there's a difference between the technology and the application the technology and the application the technology and the application maybe pause you know pausing the maybe pause you know pausing the maybe pause you know pausing the applications maybe because you can applications maybe because you can applications maybe because you can actually Target specific companies that actually Target specific companies that actually Target specific companies that are going off and creating these public are going off and creating these public are going off and creating these public applications right but the the research applications right but the the research applications right but the the research in the technology this stuff has not in the technology this stuff has not in the technology this stuff has not um this stuff has been in the works for um this stuff has been in the works for um this stuff has been in the works for years right the only real difference uh years right the only real difference uh years right the only real difference uh we're looking at here at at the moment we're looking at here at at the moment we're looking at here at at the moment is companies like Nvidia that basically

is companies like Nvidia that basically is companies like Nvidia that basically take you know AI Computing with the GPU take you know AI Computing with the GPU take you know AI Computing with the GPU to a pretty insane level right and it's to a pretty insane level right and it's to a pretty insane level right and it's brought the economics and the the realm brought the economics and the the realm brought the economics and the the realm of possibilities down to a level where a of possibilities down to a level where a of possibilities down to a level where a company like you know Google and company like you know Google and company like you know Google and Microsoft can start you know maybe doing Microsoft can start you know maybe doing Microsoft can start you know maybe doing something with it something with it something with it um with their products now there's still um with their products now there's still um with their products now there's still a lot of questions right because they're a lot of questions right because they're a lot of questions right because they're just like I don't know it's kind of just like I don't know it's kind of just like I don't know it's kind of creepy they're just like like you were creepy they're just like like you were creepy they're just like like you were just saying they're bolting it on to just saying they're bolting it on to just saying they're bolting it on to everything and not answering a bunch of everything and not answering a bunch of everything and not answering a bunch of questions questions questions Enterprises cios should be very very Enterprises cios should be very very Enterprises cios should be very very concerned about yeah in videos Nvidia concerned about yeah in videos Nvidia concerned about yeah in videos Nvidia has certainly been a big beneficiary oh has certainly been a big beneficiary oh has certainly been a big beneficiary oh yeah for quite some time around yeah for quite some time around yeah for quite some time around and as I think I read open AI use like I and as I think I read open AI use like I and as I think I read open AI use like I don't know 10 000 Nvidia gpus yeah don't know 10 000 Nvidia gpus yeah don't know 10 000 Nvidia gpus yeah accelerate the training of their models accelerate the training of their models accelerate the training of their models for gpt4 for gpt4 for gpt4 um and so um and so um and so it works but you know and so it's proven it works but you know and so it's proven it works but you know and so it's proven that nvidia's Hardware really makes a that nvidia's Hardware really makes a that nvidia's Hardware really makes a dramatic difference in training these AI dramatic difference in training these AI dramatic difference in training these AI models versus just running it against models versus just running it against models versus just running it against your normal CPU which I guess is obvious your normal CPU which I guess is obvious your normal CPU which I guess is obvious we already knew that stuff why did I say we already knew that stuff why did I say we already knew that stuff why did I say that it's just not for video games that it's just not for video games that it's just not for video games anymore it's not for Super Mario anymore it's not for Super Mario anymore it's not for Super Mario Brothers it's for training giant massive Brothers it's for training giant massive Brothers it's for training giant massive models models models yeah right so the technology the yeah right so the technology the yeah right so the technology the enablement is pretty remarkable enablement is pretty remarkable enablement is pretty remarkable um but you know the question is is

um but you know the question is is um but you know the question is is um what are the what are the um what are the what are the um what are the what are the let me choose my words carefully here let me choose my words carefully here let me choose my words carefully here what are the safer or safe applications what are the safer or safe applications what are the safer or safe applications right where the technology is actually right where the technology is actually right where the technology is actually ready because it is potentially powerful ready because it is potentially powerful ready because it is potentially powerful but I think it's powerful in how much but I think it's powerful in how much but I think it's powerful in how much trust we put into these things I'm using it every week as a research I'm using it every week as a research assistant and I'm checking its work and assistant and I'm checking its work and assistant and I'm checking its work and you know what it helps me create content you know what it helps me create content you know what it helps me create content and so you know and so yeah that's what and so you know and so yeah that's what and so you know and so yeah that's what I'm using it for I don't use it blindly I'm using it for I don't use it blindly I'm using it for I don't use it blindly I definitely make sure there's not any I definitely make sure there's not any I definitely make sure there's not any weird web Flags in there but uh like I weird web Flags in there but uh like I weird web Flags in there but uh like I don't think we've talked about the sport don't think we've talked about the sport don't think we've talked about the sport when you're doing research and if you when you're doing research and if you when you're doing research and if you there's stuff you already know you know there's stuff you already know you know there's stuff you already know you know the power of our intelligence and really the power of our intelligence and really the power of our intelligence and really knowing our stuff is we know how to do knowing our stuff is we know how to do knowing our stuff is we know how to do the right props right yeah we know what the right props right yeah we know what the right props right yeah we know what we're talking about we're just trying to we're talking about we're just trying to we're talking about we're just trying to get extra details about their stuffing get extra details about their stuffing get extra details about their stuffing up the top of the head there's stuff we up the top of the head there's stuff we up the top of the head there's stuff we normally search the web we research normally search the web we research normally search the web we research books and the internet and so I books and the internet and so I books and the internet and so I certainly you know using chat gbt to certainly you know using chat gbt to certainly you know using chat gbt to help me be a research assistant that's help me be a research assistant that's help me be a research assistant that's sitting next to me even with our clients but you know I even with our clients but you know I think I said this before think I said this before think I said this before you know I I don't want to be replaced you know I I don't want to be replaced you know I I don't want to be replaced right so how far do you take telling right so how far do you take telling right so how far do you take telling everybody that you're using it for everybody that you're using it for everybody that you're using it for certain things you know I mean and then certain things you know I mean and then certain things you know I mean and then you start looking at it for coding I

you start looking at it for coding I you start looking at it for coding I mean I got guys that are doing it and mean I got guys that are doing it and mean I got guys that are doing it and you know getting 70 of the code done by you know getting 70 of the code done by you know getting 70 of the code done by chat you know does that mean you're chat you know does that mean you're chat you know does that mean you're gonna cut people so you know so I think gonna cut people so you know so I think gonna cut people so you know so I think there's you know there's other there's you know there's other there's you know there's other ramifications that come from this thing ramifications that come from this thing ramifications that come from this thing yeah you know because you know I mean yeah you know because you know I mean yeah you know because you know I mean you know my wife as I told you you know you know my wife as I told you you know you know my wife as I told you you know she's a got a really large digital she's a got a really large digital she's a got a really large digital marketing agency marketing agency marketing agency you know we've experimented and put you know we've experimented and put you know we've experimented and put stuff into chat and said you know build stuff into chat and said you know build stuff into chat and said you know build me a campaign around this and it comes me a campaign around this and it comes me a campaign around this and it comes out and shoots it out so she goes well out and shoots it out so she goes well out and shoots it out so she goes well as does that mean my company is obsolete as does that mean my company is obsolete as does that mean my company is obsolete like who's you know so you start to look like who's you know so you start to look like who's you know so you start to look at the ramifications of it from an at the ramifications of it from an at the ramifications of it from an economic standpoint and a business economic standpoint and a business economic standpoint and a business environment I mean that has to be taken environment I mean that has to be taken environment I mean that has to be taken into consideration because you know into consideration because you know into consideration because you know twenty dollars a month is not going to twenty dollars a month is not going to twenty dollars a month is not going to make them rich but you know open AI is make them rich but you know open AI is make them rich but you know open AI is you know well well funded yeah yeah I you know well well funded yeah yeah I you know well well funded yeah yeah I mean it so you know going back to Rob's mean it so you know going back to Rob's mean it so you know going back to Rob's Rob's comment about the research stuff Rob's comment about the research stuff Rob's comment about the research stuff I've I've tried using it for research it I've I've tried using it for research it I've I've tried using it for research it doesn't work for me I mean I've asked to doesn't work for me I mean I've asked to doesn't work for me I mean I've asked to do stuff and but you know I guess the do stuff and but you know I guess the do stuff and but you know I guess the thing is is I don't thing is is I don't thing is is I don't um um um I I the stuff that I I would need it for I I the stuff that I I would need it for I I the stuff that I I would need it for it's just not good for it do you know it's just not good for it do you know it's just not good for it do you know what I'm saying and what I'm saying and what I'm saying and um and so uh basic research yeah it'll um and so uh basic research yeah it'll um and so uh basic research yeah it'll probably probably probably it's actually hasn't really been even it's actually hasn't really been even it's actually hasn't really been even proven really good at that for me I'm proven really good at that for me I'm proven really good at that for me I'm sorry guys it comes up with you know sorry guys it comes up with you know sorry guys it comes up with you know false positives it makes stuff up and

false positives it makes stuff up and false positives it makes stuff up and then it creates more work for me then it creates more work for me then it creates more work for me um I can just get that kind of random um I can just get that kind of random um I can just get that kind of random like uh Randomness just from a Google like uh Randomness just from a Google like uh Randomness just from a Google Search and so I found Search and so I found Search and so I found that it doesn't really in it doesn't that it doesn't really in it doesn't that it doesn't really in it doesn't differentiate itself so much so to me differentiate itself so much so to me differentiate itself so much so to me what that says is that in terms of a what that says is that in terms of a what that says is that in terms of a productivity uplift I don't think it has productivity uplift I don't think it has productivity uplift I don't think it has that kind of potential that everyone's that kind of potential that everyone's that kind of potential that everyone's talking about again I'm not saying that talking about again I'm not saying that talking about again I'm not saying that it can't be valuable I think it can it can't be valuable I think it can it can't be valuable I think it can enhance but that enhancement is not enhance but that enhancement is not enhance but that enhancement is not going to be what some of these hyped you going to be what some of these hyped you going to be what some of these hyped you know these people who are pumping the know these people who are pumping the know these people who are pumping the hype are saying hype are saying hype are saying um I think there's a flip side the um I think there's a flip side the um I think there's a flip side the negative side where it actually creates negative side where it actually creates negative side where it actually creates more work because you have to validate more work because you have to validate more work because you have to validate because you know one of the things you because you know one of the things you because you know one of the things you have to do right have to do right have to do right um Rob is you have to validate the um Rob is you have to validate the um Rob is you have to validate the outputs you can't just assume that this outputs you can't just assume that this outputs you can't just assume that this it just did the work for you but the it just did the work for you but the it just did the work for you but the problem is is that when people start to problem is is that when people start to problem is is that when people start to trust that it can do that whether it can trust that it can do that whether it can trust that it can do that whether it can or not that's the problem or not that's the problem or not that's the problem um and when we get again I go back to um and when we get again I go back to um and when we get again I go back to what I've already said for like weeks what I've already said for like weeks what I've already said for like weeks now we will succumb to our to the now we will succumb to our to the now we will succumb to our to the convenience and it's because we're convenience and it's because we're convenience and it's because we're freaking lazy we're lazy yeah freaking lazy we're lazy yeah freaking lazy we're lazy yeah and we know there's people who know and we know there's people who know and we know there's people who know people are careless they're lazy they people are careless they're lazy they people are careless they're lazy they won't check they'll just believe won't check they'll just believe won't check they'll just believe right well yeah and and I'll go at every

right well yeah and and I'll go at every right well yeah and and I'll go at every single level whether it's fake news single level whether it's fake news single level whether it's fake news stuff spamming it's science all of it No stuff spamming it's science all of it No stuff spamming it's science all of it No One's Gonna check it yeah probably too One's Gonna check it yeah probably too One's Gonna check it yeah probably too much crap being generated and humans much crap being generated and humans much crap being generated and humans can't validate it we can't apply our can't validate it we can't apply our can't validate it we can't apply our judgment we can't debate about it we judgment we can't debate about it we judgment we can't debate about it we can't distill and you know refine uh you can't distill and you know refine uh you can't distill and you know refine uh you know where we find the sort of the know where we find the sort of the know where we find the sort of the center point of Truth and fact it's just center point of Truth and fact it's just center point of Truth and fact it's just gonna get gonna get gonna get I I just don't see how unless you have I I just don't see how unless you have I I just don't see how unless you have an AI that helps you do that but then an AI that helps you do that but then an AI that helps you do that but then the problem is they AI these uh the problem is they AI these uh the problem is they AI these uh generative AI engines just it's just not generative AI engines just it's just not generative AI engines just it's just not the way that they work you know they the way that they work you know they the way that they work you know they they don't have judgment I did a competitive analysis and I said I did a competitive analysis and I said okay let let me see how far these guys okay let let me see how far these guys okay let let me see how far these guys can take us and so I did it but it it can take us and so I did it but it it can take us and so I did it but it it basically came out to it it if Leonard basically came out to it it if Leonard basically came out to it it if Leonard you put into Google give me the top 10 you put into Google give me the top 10 you put into Google give me the top 10 asset tracker companies in the United asset tracker companies in the United asset tracker companies in the United States by revenue or by something like States by revenue or by something like States by revenue or by something like that that's what chat gave me but it that that's what chat gave me but it that that's what chat gave me but it didn't give me all the Innovative didn't give me all the Innovative didn't give me all the Innovative companies that have really cool new companies that have really cool new companies that have really cool new technology that are going to be technology that are going to be technology that are going to be competitors of these guys over the next competitors of these guys over the next competitors of these guys over the next year that came from our company's year that came from our company's year that came from our company's knowledge and experience in the industry knowledge and experience in the industry knowledge and experience in the industry for 30 years right so you're 100 correct for 30 years right so you're 100 correct for 30 years right so you're 100 correct I mean it just you know you it takes you

I mean it just you know you it takes you I mean it just you know you it takes you it takes you some part but if you you're it takes you some part but if you you're it takes you some part but if you you're still having to go line by line by line still having to go line by line by line still having to go line by line by line by line to make sure that you know it by line to make sure that you know it by line to make sure that you know it you're still saying the right thing to you're still saying the right thing to you're still saying the right thing to your clients your clients your clients yeah I don't think that changes at all Rob I don't think that changes at all Rob changing subjects congratulations very changing subjects congratulations very changing subjects congratulations very cool that you got the award thank you cool that you got the award thank you cool that you got the award thank you yeah but you know as I said as I said in yeah but you know as I said as I said in yeah but you know as I said as I said in my post now we got to figure out how to my post now we got to figure out how to my post now we got to figure out how to sell this yeah yeah you know what sell this yeah yeah you know what sell this yeah yeah you know what dude I think you should put our heads dude I think you should put our heads dude I think you should put our heads together industry together industry together industry yeah that's one it's one thing to be a yeah that's one it's one thing to be a yeah that's one it's one thing to be a geek in the call in the in the closet geek in the call in the in the closet geek in the call in the in the closet Rob it's the second thing that freaking Rob it's the second thing that freaking Rob it's the second thing that freaking make the geek money yes and you're gonna make the geek money yes and you're gonna make the geek money yes and you're gonna help me with that yes I am yes I am it's help me with that yes I am yes I am it's help me with that yes I am yes I am it's like here is this product yeah exactly like here is this product yeah exactly like here is this product yeah exactly exactly yeah absolutely I'm trying to exactly yeah absolutely I'm trying to exactly yeah absolutely I'm trying to make it for a scope simple for you know make it for a scope simple for you know make it for a scope simple for you know make it easy make it easy make it easy you know I paid to ever try to compare you know I paid to ever try to compare you know I paid to ever try to compare it to any other iot platform out there it to any other iot platform out there it to any other iot platform out there because it's a fraction there's only because it's a fraction there's only because it's a fraction there's only there's only 650 of them the platform is just dumb simple trying the platform is just dumb simple trying to be a simple minded as I am yeah to be a simple minded as I am yeah to be a simple minded as I am yeah yeah guys I gotta I gotta bounce I gotta yeah guys I gotta I gotta bounce I gotta yeah guys I gotta I gotta bounce I gotta go back all right stage in a couple go back all right stage in a couple go back all right stage in a couple minutes minutes minutes cool glad you dropped in dude yeah all cool glad you dropped in dude yeah all cool glad you dropped in dude yeah all right I'll talk to you guys soon right I'll talk to you guys soon right I'll talk to you guys soon take care take care take care just share it no I'm just kidding so hey

just share it no I'm just kidding so hey just share it no I'm just kidding so hey um yeah um yeah um yeah what whoa wait a second what whoa wait a second what whoa wait a second you got it yeah is that the new one that you got it yeah is that the new one that you got it yeah is that the new one that this is the Samsung this is the Samsung this is the Samsung s23 Ultra yeah so Samsung uh gave me uh s23 Ultra yeah so Samsung uh gave me uh s23 Ultra yeah so Samsung uh gave me uh what do they call it uh friggin you know what do they call it uh friggin you know what do they call it uh friggin you know a loner uh yeah to check it out so I'm a loner uh yeah to check it out so I'm a loner uh yeah to check it out so I'm gonna have it for uh 60 days so I'm gonna have it for uh 60 days so I'm gonna have it for uh 60 days so I'm gonna check it out and also they also gonna check it out and also they also gonna check it out and also they also got me this got me this got me this which is the book three yeah that's which is the book three yeah that's which is the book three yeah that's that's right very thin yeah and uh that's right very thin yeah and uh that's right very thin yeah and uh pretty big pretty big pretty big yeah yeah yeah 15 or 16 inch screen or something yeah 15 or 16 inch screen or something yeah 15 or 16 inch screen or something yeah it's a 16 inch screen and um it's a 16 inch screen and um it's a 16 inch screen and um um man I I I mean I like it the the um man I I I mean I like it the the um man I I I mean I like it the the design is awesome I mean it is awesome design is awesome I mean it is awesome design is awesome I mean it is awesome very Appley feel to it very Appley feel to it very Appley feel to it yeah it's just a little bit thinner than yeah it's just a little bit thinner than yeah it's just a little bit thinner than my uh eight-year-old uh MacBook Pro my uh eight-year-old uh MacBook Pro my uh eight-year-old uh MacBook Pro right right but um yeah so far I haven't right right but um yeah so far I haven't right right but um yeah so far I haven't really set it up yet I got it yesterday really set it up yet I got it yesterday really set it up yet I got it yesterday okay and um you're gonna be a product okay and um you're gonna be a product okay and um you're gonna be a product reviewer reviewer reviewer sort of yeah but I'm not I'm not going sort of yeah but I'm not I'm not going sort of yeah but I'm not I'm not going to be talking about oh you know this to be talking about oh you know this to be talking about oh you know this this thing has a slightly better you this thing has a slightly better you this thing has a slightly better you know know know all right and un distinguishable Edge all right and un distinguishable Edge all right and un distinguishable Edge over XYZ phone you know it's like these over XYZ phone you know it's like these over XYZ phone you know it's like these things all of them are pretty damn good

things all of them are pretty damn good things all of them are pretty damn good they're all really good you're good they're all really good you're good they're all really good you're good enough for most people except for maybe enough for most people except for maybe enough for most people except for maybe a few people like my wife who are real a few people like my wife who are real a few people like my wife who are real huge stickers for the camera right but huge stickers for the camera right but huge stickers for the camera right but even then it doesn't have to be a good even then it doesn't have to be a good even then it doesn't have to be a good camera I I was having this conversation camera I I was having this conversation camera I I was having this conversation with my wife yesterday and it was funny with my wife yesterday and it was funny with my wife yesterday and it was funny she says that because I told her look I she says that because I told her look I she says that because I told her look I think this camera actually takes a think this camera actually takes a think this camera actually takes a better picture consistently it's it's better picture consistently it's it's better picture consistently it's it's more reflective of what I actually see more reflective of what I actually see more reflective of what I actually see and she goes I don't like that I was and she goes I don't like that I was and she goes I don't like that I was like why that's like I want it to make like why that's like I want it to make like why that's like I want it to make me uh Happy me uh Happy me uh Happy you know I want what is that supposed to you know I want what is that supposed to you know I want what is that supposed to mean it's like this one shows all my mean it's like this one shows all my mean it's like this one shows all my wrinkles and wrinkles and wrinkles and oh okay oh okay oh okay yeah it's too good they're they're too yeah it's too good they're they're too yeah it's too good they're they're too good and we're actually using filters in good and we're actually using filters in good and we're actually using filters in AI hey Mark what's up man AI hey Mark what's up man AI hey Mark what's up man that's what basically dumb down well you that's what basically dumb down well you that's what basically dumb down well you know what you should you know what you know what you should you know what you know what you should you know what you should do this maybe maybe like next should do this maybe maybe like next should do this maybe maybe like next week when we do coffee talk you should week when we do coffee talk you should week when we do coffee talk you should but the the Samsung phone on a tripod but the the Samsung phone on a tripod but the the Samsung phone on a tripod yeah and use it to stream you yourself yeah and use it to stream you yourself yeah and use it to stream you yourself you'll get live video and audio to see you'll get live video and audio to see you'll get live video and audio to see what it what how well it does you know I what it what how well it does you know I what it what how well it does you know I really sucks I remember that watching really sucks I remember that watching really sucks I remember that watching the launch thing that you were at you the launch thing that you were at you the launch thing that you were at you know and then Ridley Scott they made a know and then Ridley Scott they made a know and then Ridley Scott they made a they made him which they've seen them do they made him which they've seen them do they made him which they've seen them do with the iPhone as well yeah with the iPhone as well yeah with the iPhone as well yeah um and it looked great I mean I think um and it looked great I mean I think um and it looked great I mean I think it's a great you know what you're right it's a great you know what you're right it's a great you know what you're right they're so good now these top cameras

they're so good now these top cameras they're so good now these top cameras they're it's hard to distinguish between they're it's hard to distinguish between they're it's hard to distinguish between them they're so good yeah they're them they're so good yeah they're them they're so good yeah they're they're it's just uh and that's not they're it's just uh and that's not they're it's just uh and that's not really what matters so what I'm gonna really what matters so what I'm gonna really what matters so what I'm gonna really be looking at is really be looking at is really be looking at is um uh um uh um uh why does does non-apple Universe why does does non-apple Universe why does does non-apple Universe struggle so much right struggle so much right struggle so much right um what are those bridges that need to um what are those bridges that need to um what are those bridges that need to be created across the fragmented uh be created across the fragmented uh be created across the fragmented uh Universe Universe Universe um to have these things things actually um to have these things things actually um to have these things things actually gelled together in a way where there gelled together in a way where there gelled together in a way where there are actually competitive against uh are actually competitive against uh are actually competitive against uh Apple you know you know Apple you know you know Apple you know you know um it's a big problem you know I think um it's a big problem you know I think um it's a big problem you know I think part of the I mean I'm obviously of all part of the I mean I'm obviously of all part of the I mean I'm obviously of all kinds of pundits that say why do all kinds of pundits that say why do all kinds of pundits that say why do all these Android devices struggle these Android devices struggle these Android devices struggle against the iPhone on the one hand on against the iPhone on the one hand on against the iPhone on the one hand on one level they don't struggle they one level they don't struggle they one level they don't struggle they outsell the iPhone a billion to one yeah outsell the iPhone a billion to one yeah outsell the iPhone a billion to one yeah and most people on the planet are using and most people on the planet are using and most people on the planet are using Android devices so there's that way to Android devices so there's that way to Android devices so there's that way to look at it look at it look at it but as far as the Ultra Premium the but as far as the Ultra Premium the but as far as the Ultra Premium the experience you know you're right Android experience you know you're right Android experience you know you're right Android struggles struggles struggles I think part of it is sometimes it feels I think part of it is sometimes it feels I think part of it is sometimes it feels like it's a Frankenstein monster because like it's a Frankenstein monster because like it's a Frankenstein monster because you have an oem they take the base you have an oem they take the base you have an oem they take the base Android OS from Google yeah and then Android OS from Google yeah and then Android OS from Google yeah and then they put their stuff on it yeah they put their stuff on it yeah they put their stuff on it yeah sometimes there's the Google version sometimes there's the Google version sometimes there's the Google version same version of the stuff that they put same version of the stuff that they put same version of the stuff that they put on it like the mail and calendar and a on it like the mail and calendar and a on it like the mail and calendar and a million other things and it and it seems

million other things and it and it seems million other things and it and it seems disjointed or you know Apple it is like disjointed or you know Apple it is like disjointed or you know Apple it is like this is what it is all beautiful fluid this is what it is all beautiful fluid this is what it is all beautiful fluid it's all from you know that's what you it's all from you know that's what you it's all from you know that's what you get when you have a closed uh closed get when you have a closed uh closed get when you have a closed uh closed Garden type thing a wall Garden like you Garden type thing a wall Garden like you Garden type thing a wall Garden like you have with apple you get the best have with apple you get the best have with apple you get the best possible experience because they control possible experience because they control possible experience because they control everything end to end yeah they make everything end to end yeah they make everything end to end yeah they make their Hardware they make the software their Hardware they make the software their Hardware they make the software for a specific Hardware so yeah there is for a specific Hardware so yeah there is for a specific Hardware so yeah there is no chance that can be improved right I no chance that can be improved right I no chance that can be improved right I would compare Android with the Microsoft would compare Android with the Microsoft would compare Android with the Microsoft uh windows it's closer to Microsoft uh windows it's closer to Microsoft uh windows it's closer to Microsoft you're right that's exactly right so you're right that's exactly right so you're right that's exactly right so wait until my piece comes out wait until my piece comes out wait until my piece comes out um my research because I've been looking um my research because I've been looking um my research because I've been looking at this for quite some time so at this for quite some time so at this for quite some time so um um um you know what I hear people say you know what I hear people say you know what I hear people say basically yeah a lot of people will say basically yeah a lot of people will say basically yeah a lot of people will say if they remember the old days the if they remember the old days the if they remember the old days the earlier days of Android is someone earlier days of Android is someone earlier days of Android is someone people say I just want a stock Android people say I just want a stock Android people say I just want a stock Android device yeah Google I don't want pick device yeah Google I don't want pick device yeah Google I don't want pick your OEM I don't want your stuck yeah I your OEM I don't want your stuck yeah I your OEM I don't want your stuck yeah I don't want your bloatware yeah yeah and don't want your bloatware yeah yeah and don't want your bloatware yeah yeah and so you know Google prior prior to the so you know Google prior prior to the so you know Google prior prior to the pixel stuff remember they had uh what do pixel stuff remember they had uh what do pixel stuff remember they had uh what do you call it it started with an M anyway you call it it started with an M anyway you call it it started with an M anyway it was it was trying to different oems it was it was trying to different oems it was it was trying to different oems would make it either Samsung or HTC you would make it either Samsung or HTC you would make it either Samsung or HTC you know they'd make a stock thing you know know they'd make a stock thing you know know they'd make a stock thing you know anyway I'm just rambling anyway I'm just rambling anyway I'm just rambling no no no you're not uh you're actually no no no you're not uh you're actually no no no you're not uh you're actually making a really good point because making a really good point because making a really good point because that's exactly the same problem that the that's exactly the same problem that the that's exactly the same problem that the windows world had remember you know I windows world had remember you know I windows world had remember you know I mean they still do it look at all the mean they still do it look at all the mean they still do it look at all the Dell crap that they stick on there the

Dell crap that they stick on there the Dell crap that they stick on there the HP stuff HP stuff HP stuff it's the same problem it's the same problem it's the same problem talk about in the old days getting a PC talk about in the old days getting a PC talk about in the old days getting a PC it's like all this bloatware that the it's like all this bloatware that the it's like all this bloatware that the OEM added to it you know whether it's OEM added to it you know whether it's OEM added to it you know whether it's your ideal or HP or remember God I your ideal or HP or remember God I your ideal or HP or remember God I remember did you used to buy Sony remember did you used to buy Sony remember did you used to buy Sony laptops I used to make these Sony bio laptops I used to make these Sony bio laptops I used to make these Sony bio laptops with fiber carbon fiber Lids laptops with fiber carbon fiber Lids laptops with fiber carbon fiber Lids that were really thin but they would all that were really thin but they would all that were really thin but they would all as part of their value prop well as part of their value prop well as part of their value prop well actually let's not call it a value prop actually let's not call it a value prop actually let's not call it a value prop as far as them making money they got as far as them making money they got as far as them making money they got paid by all these software vendors to paid by all these software vendors to paid by all these software vendors to pre-load bloatware and then so that's pre-load bloatware and then so that's pre-load bloatware and then so that's what we think about these different what we think about these different what we think about these different Android devices from different oems they Android devices from different oems they Android devices from different oems they can't loaded with stuff that maybe you can't loaded with stuff that maybe you can't loaded with stuff that maybe you don't want you just maybe you want stock don't want you just maybe you want stock don't want you just maybe you want stock Google uh stuff and so they're in Google uh stuff and so they're in Google uh stuff and so they're in business model probably for them as well business model probably for them as well business model probably for them as well yeah yeah yeah and so you get the yeah yeah yeah and so you get the yeah yeah yeah and so you get the elegant simple experience with iPhone elegant simple experience with iPhone elegant simple experience with iPhone and you get Frankenstein with everybody and you get Frankenstein with everybody and you get Frankenstein with everybody else else else yeah I don't know what do you think Tom do you know what it's quite interesting do you know what it's quite interesting you used to say that right because I you used to say that right because I you used to say that right because I remember remember remember um I remember buying laptops and then um I remember buying laptops and then um I remember buying laptops and then having to delete all of the crap that I having to delete all of the crap that I having to delete all of the crap that I didn't want on there didn't want on there didn't want on there for the bad antivirus stuff the stuff for the bad antivirus stuff the stuff for the bad antivirus stuff the stuff that you had the free trials with and that you had the free trials with and that you had the free trials with and that you didn't actually want you wanted that you didn't actually want you wanted that you didn't actually want you wanted kind of like the open source versions or kind of like the open source versions or kind of like the open source versions or or the stuff that actually weren't or the stuff that actually weren't or the stuff that actually weren't floating at the computer or hogging

floating at the computer or hogging floating at the computer or hogging around Etc around Etc around Etc your comment on Apple and I know you're your comment on Apple and I know you're your comment on Apple and I know you're an Apple fan I like it but a lot of the an Apple fan I like it but a lot of the an Apple fan I like it but a lot of the utilities I never use I don't want like utilities I never use I don't want like utilities I never use I don't want like the guitar program I don't want a load the guitar program I don't want a load the guitar program I don't want a load of other stuff on yeah you can delete it of other stuff on yeah you can delete it of other stuff on yeah you can delete it yeah I know you can delete it but but yeah I know you can delete it but but yeah I know you can delete it but but it's like by default and it's just like it's like by default and it's just like it's like by default and it's just like whatever it wasn't right whatever it wasn't right whatever it wasn't right no no yeah you have to you have to no no yeah you have to you have to no no yeah you have to you have to download GarageBand and um yesterday I deleted is it yesterday I deleted is it yeah yeah yeah [Music] [Music] [Music] it's a lot easier to delete it's a lot easier to delete it's a lot easier to delete I don't I just think I'm an apple Fanboy I don't I just think I'm an apple Fanboy I don't I just think I'm an apple Fanboy because I always want Andrew to succeed because I always want Andrew to succeed because I always want Andrew to succeed because because I came from the World of because because I came from the World of because because I came from the World of Windows mobile where it was the most Windows mobile where it was the most Windows mobile where it was the most customizable device ever you could customizable device ever you could customizable device ever you could download foreign followed the same model as Windows followed the same model as Windows mobile did where you can hack it you mobile did where you can hack it you mobile did where you can hack it you could do all kinds of crazy stuff could do all kinds of crazy stuff could do all kinds of crazy stuff um whereas app iphone was just here's um whereas app iphone was just here's um whereas app iphone was just here's this lockdown device this is what you this lockdown device this is what you this lockdown device this is what you get unless you remember jailbreaking get unless you remember jailbreaking get unless you remember jailbreaking thing in the early days you can still thing in the early days you can still thing in the early days you can still jailbreak them right yeah jailbreak them right yeah jailbreak them right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh you don't want to hear about uh you don't want to hear about uh you don't want to hear about jailbreaking as much anymore jailbreaking as much anymore jailbreaking as much anymore it's just not worth it you know yeah it's just not worth it you know yeah it's just not worth it you know yeah yeah no you're making a great Point man yeah no you're making a great Point man yeah no you're making a great Point man um um um but the thing is is that building but the thing is is that building but the thing is is that building devices and stuff for the developers if

devices and stuff for the developers if devices and stuff for the developers if you do that you're gonna dramatically you do that you're gonna dramatically you do that you're gonna dramatically limit your Market limit your Market limit your Market um the consumer doesn't care about any um the consumer doesn't care about any um the consumer doesn't care about any of that stuff they just like they they of that stuff they just like they they of that stuff they just like they they care about what surfaces on the glass of care about what surfaces on the glass of care about what surfaces on the glass of the device the device the device and Apple and Apple and Apple knows that knew that knows that knew that knows that knew that and they freaking crush it I'm sorry I and they freaking crush it I'm sorry I and they freaking crush it I'm sorry I mean everyone else can whine all day mean everyone else can whine all day mean everyone else can whine all day um you just have to study this company um you just have to study this company um you just have to study this company uh with a very objective lens and a lot uh with a very objective lens and a lot uh with a very objective lens and a lot of people have colored lenses about even of people have colored lenses about even of people have colored lenses about even when they look at Apple think oh you when they look at Apple think oh you when they look at Apple think oh you know their valuation is XYZ are they know their valuation is XYZ are they know their valuation is XYZ are they really worth that much it's like look really worth that much it's like look really worth that much it's like look that doesn't matter you have to wonder that doesn't matter you have to wonder that doesn't matter you have to wonder why a company why a company why a company um on a consistent basis can take you um on a consistent basis can take you um on a consistent basis can take you know anywhere from 75 to like 90 of the know anywhere from 75 to like 90 of the know anywhere from 75 to like 90 of the profit share of uh you know the industry profit share of uh you know the industry profit share of uh you know the industry right their industry with a right their industry with a right their industry with a you know yeah oh market share why did you know yeah oh market share why did you know yeah oh market share why did they do that because they followed a they do that because they followed a they do that because they followed a simple sentence that Steve Jobs said simple sentence that Steve Jobs said simple sentence that Steve Jobs said start with the customer experience first start with the customer experience first start with the customer experience first and work your way back to the technology and work your way back to the technology and work your way back to the technology yeah yeah yeah go out there and they just build this go out there and they just build this go out there and they just build this technology and they try to find a way to technology and they try to find a way to technology and they try to find a way to sell it or sell it or sell it or Commandments and that's the wrong way to Commandments and that's the wrong way to Commandments and that's the wrong way to do it do it do it but here but here but here but he also said that when the caller is but he also said that when the caller is but he also said that when the caller is the feature of the product uh Innovation

the feature of the product uh Innovation the feature of the product uh Innovation is dead and now I only see ads about is dead and now I only see ads about is dead and now I only see ads about iPhone yellow or something like that say iPhone yellow or something like that say iPhone yellow or something like that say hello to yellow or something like that over yeah over yeah what the I bet you they I bet you what the I bet you they I bet you what the I bet you they I bet you that was a recommendation from chat GPT but wasn't wasn't Steve Jobs around the but wasn't wasn't Steve Jobs around the Mac the Apple Mac came out was the Mac the Apple Mac came out was the Mac the Apple Mac came out was the different casings on the back and wasn't different casings on the back and wasn't different casings on the back and wasn't one of the big features around now yeah one of the big features around now yeah one of the big features around now yeah yeah that was John John I don't know if yeah that was John John I don't know if yeah that was John John I don't know if this was the last one without him or the this was the last one without him or the this was the last one without him or the First with him I'm not 100 sure it had that weird shape because he said it had that weird shape because he said that he want he wanted to have the right that he want he wanted to have the right that he want he wanted to have the right to throw the the computer through the to throw the the computer through the to throw the the computer through the window window window and uh so he needed like a special place and uh so he needed like a special place and uh so he needed like a special place to to grab the uh on the back so you to to grab the uh on the back so you to to grab the uh on the back so you could okay could okay could okay [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] I don't know I don't know I don't know such such craziness that lots of good such such craziness that lots of good such such craziness that lots of good wisdom there for sure you know I you wisdom there for sure you know I you wisdom there for sure you know I you know clearly start with the outcome know clearly start with the outcome know clearly start with the outcome start with the customer experience work start with the customer experience work start with the customer experience work your way back what do we see in iot your way back what do we see in iot your way back what do we see in iot people build Tech people build Tech people build Tech and try to build the opposite way and

and try to build the opposite way and and try to build the opposite way and try to find a problem to solve you know try to find a problem to solve you know try to find a problem to solve you know yeah actually if you think about it yeah actually if you think about it yeah actually if you think about it um um um nobody think that he did basically was nobody think that he did basically was nobody think that he did basically was and and I think this was for that was and and I think this was for that was and and I think this was for that was slack because he didn't invest on or he slack because he didn't invest on or he slack because he didn't invest on or he didn't bet on these but it was the App didn't bet on these but it was the App didn't bet on these but it was the App Store Store Store the App Store change everything so no the App Store change everything so no the App Store change everything so no windows phone no Blackberry no Nokia had windows phone no Blackberry no Nokia had windows phone no Blackberry no Nokia had uh like a really easy app store for uh like a really easy app store for uh like a really easy app store for developers to apply Innovation on the developers to apply Innovation on the developers to apply Innovation on the top of the product and I think this was top of the product and I think this was top of the product and I think this was like the the most Innovative thing that like the the most Innovative thing that like the the most Innovative thing that they introduced well I don't think that they introduced well I don't think that they introduced well I don't think that was Steve's idea it might have not no I was Steve's idea it might have not no I was Steve's idea it might have not no I think he was against it but yeah I think think he was against it but yeah I think think he was against it but yeah I think he was against it and uh it might have he was against it and uh it might have he was against it and uh it might have been I read somewhere that it was been I read somewhere that it was been I read somewhere that it was um oh for again Mr interwebs um oh for again Mr interwebs um oh for again Mr interwebs um Al Gore's idea um Al Gore's idea um Al Gore's idea yeah yeah yeah [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] I doubt it was out you know there's I doubt it was out you know there's I doubt it was out you know there's funny because he's been on food funny because he's been on food funny because he's been on food person on their Apple's board of person on their Apple's board of person on their Apple's board of directors he knows absolutely nothing directors he knows absolutely nothing directors he knows absolutely nothing about them I know about them I know about them I know well I think I think they you know maybe well I think I think they you know maybe well I think I think they you know maybe sometimes they select board members sometimes they select board members sometimes they select board members because they're easily influenced you because they're easily influenced you because they're easily influenced you know because they don't know know because they don't know know because they don't know you know and you can convince them you you know and you can convince them you you know and you can convince them you know what I'm saying it's when you have know what I'm saying it's when you have know what I'm saying it's when you have like a board with a bunch of people with like a board with a bunch of people with like a board with a bunch of people with Divergent ideas that really know what

Divergent ideas that really know what Divergent ideas that really know what the hell they're talking about that the hell they're talking about that the hell they're talking about that could be a pretty tough board to to deal could be a pretty tough board to to deal could be a pretty tough board to to deal with you know it's like you you know you with you know it's like you you know you with you know it's like you you know you have a bunch of like you know then that might be a better situation I then that might be a better situation I don't know don't know don't know out to you with Tom White out to you with Tom White out to you with Tom White uh everything's good yeah everything's uh everything's good yeah everything's uh everything's good yeah everything's good good good um busy lots going on um busy lots going on um busy lots going on um we just I think we just launched a um we just I think we just launched a um we just I think we just launched a new season of the podcast as well so new season of the podcast as well so new season of the podcast as well so we've got some episodes coming out we've got some episodes coming out we've got some episodes coming out that's what it calls and some good that's what it calls and some good that's what it calls and some good people some some interesting stuff lined people some some interesting stuff lined people some some interesting stuff lined up uh up uh up uh some interesting guys and yeah so I some interesting guys and yeah so I some interesting guys and yeah so I think everything's pretty good to be think everything's pretty good to be think everything's pretty good to be honest with you just busy getting ready honest with you just busy getting ready honest with you just busy getting ready to go to uh to Florida getting that move to go to uh to Florida getting that move to go to uh to Florida getting that move sorted uh which is good and it's it's sorted uh which is good and it's it's sorted uh which is good and it's it's raining here constantly so I'm looking raining here constantly so I'm looking raining here constantly so I'm looking forward to that forward to that forward to that um but yeah Life's good I was just um but yeah Life's good I was just um but yeah Life's good I was just thinking about that App Store comment thinking about that App Store comment thinking about that App Store comment that Mark made actually that Mark made actually that Mark made actually um it got me thinking when you said it um it got me thinking when you said it um it got me thinking when you said it was like one of the one of the great was like one of the one of the great was like one of the one of the great things if you think about Airbnb and all things if you think about Airbnb and all things if you think about Airbnb and all of these businesses that set up that own of these businesses that set up that own of these businesses that set up that own no property I think it inspired a lot of no property I think it inspired a lot of no property I think it inspired a lot of these business models didn't it right these business models didn't it right these business models didn't it right you know look at Uber look at these you know look at Uber look at these you know look at Uber look at these these companies oh yeah you know yeah these companies oh yeah you know yeah these companies oh yeah you know yeah it's really quite it's really quite it's really quite it's really quite it's really quite it's really quite something it's just it's just sad that something it's just it's just sad that something it's just it's just sad that it's not good for the developers I mean it's not good for the developers I mean it's not good for the developers I mean how much Apple takes is it 33 or how much Apple takes is it 33 or how much Apple takes is it 33 or something like that no I I don't think something like that no I I don't think something like that no I I don't think that's true if you go and you ask

that's true if you go and you ask that's true if you go and you ask anybody in the app uh the Apple anybody in the app uh the Apple anybody in the app uh the Apple developer Eco well developers mobile app developer Eco well developers mobile app developer Eco well developers mobile app developers yeah tell you exactly the developers yeah tell you exactly the developers yeah tell you exactly the opposite especially oh come on compared opposite especially oh come on compared opposite especially oh come on compared to Android right this has been if this to Android right this has been if this to Android right this has been if this has been the thing for a very very up has been the thing for a very very up has been the thing for a very very up from the beginning from the beginning from the beginning apple is created much better uh apple is created much better uh apple is created much better uh um a developer um a developer um a developer um uh platform than anything else out um uh platform than anything else out um uh platform than anything else out there so that is that is false oh no I there so that is that is false oh no I there so that is that is false oh no I meant from um do you mean like xcode and meant from um do you mean like xcode and meant from um do you mean like xcode and stuff like that or actually development stuff like that or actually development stuff like that or actually development make money I know a lot of people in make money I know a lot of people in make money I know a lot of people in Hollywood who are mobile developers Hollywood who are mobile developers Hollywood who are mobile developers they're producers for games in Hollywood they're producers for games in Hollywood they're producers for games in Hollywood and they will tell you there's no and they will tell you there's no and they will tell you there's no comparison comparison comparison oh really none of them will tell you oh really none of them will tell you oh really none of them will tell you Android Android universe is better for Android Android universe is better for Android Android universe is better for developers no one no you're right so so developers no one no you're right so so developers no one no you're right so so go back in time just the launch of the go back in time just the launch of the go back in time just the launch of the first App Store first App Store first App Store prior to that no app store people were prior to that no app store people were prior to that no app store people were trying to sell things on different trying to sell things on different trying to sell things on different websites I I remember so in the early websites I I remember so in the early websites I I remember so in the early days of Windows mobile we there were all days of Windows mobile we there were all days of Windows mobile we there were all these websites where yeah for Blackberry these websites where yeah for Blackberry these websites where yeah for Blackberry as well as well as well um I'm trying to remember the names of um I'm trying to remember the names of um I'm trying to remember the names of them I I you know what I used to sell a them I I you know what I used to sell a them I I you know what I used to sell a bunch of different apps for Windows bunch of different apps for Windows bunch of different apps for Windows mobile devices in the early 2000s before mobile devices in the early 2000s before mobile devices in the early 2000s before I joined Microsoft and I was making I joined Microsoft and I was making I joined Microsoft and I was making about 400 a month with about three or about 400 a month with about three or about 400 a month with about three or four different apps that uh what was the

four different apps that uh what was the four different apps that uh what was the name of the Fandango name of the Fandango name of the Fandango pandango was the name of one of the pandango was the name of one of the pandango was the name of one of the websites and they sold Windows mobile websites and they sold Windows mobile websites and they sold Windows mobile and BlackBerry apps and BlackBerry apps and BlackBerry apps um and but it was disjointed it was um and but it was disjointed it was um and but it was disjointed it was fragmented it was like how do I get my fragmented it was like how do I get my fragmented it was like how do I get my app on the phone and so the iPhone app on the phone and so the iPhone app on the phone and so the iPhone coming up with the built-in App Store to coming up with the built-in App Store to coming up with the built-in App Store to seamlessly deliver apps and give a seamlessly deliver apps and give a seamlessly deliver apps and give a channel a sales channel to developers channel a sales channel to developers channel a sales channel to developers who perform struggling oh yeah yes they who perform struggling oh yeah yes they who perform struggling oh yeah yes they take 30 but it created an explosion take 30 but it created an explosion take 30 but it created an explosion because overnight we saw all these app because overnight we saw all these app because overnight we saw all these app development millionaires you know I knew development millionaires you know I knew development millionaires you know I knew guys that I worked with at Microsoft I guys that I worked with at Microsoft I guys that I worked with at Microsoft I watched them quit Microsoft because they watched them quit Microsoft because they watched them quit Microsoft because they were making so much more money ah going were making so much more money ah going were making so much more money ah going out to the iPhone they're like I'm out out to the iPhone they're like I'm out out to the iPhone they're like I'm out of here yeah I mean when I was like it of here yeah I mean when I was like it of here yeah I mean when I was like it makes a lot of sense yeah when I was at makes a lot of sense yeah when I was at makes a lot of sense yeah when I was at UST Global I used to run the mobile UST Global I used to run the mobile UST Global I used to run the mobile development uh a group development uh a group development uh a group you know I helped develop it uh there's you know I helped develop it uh there's you know I helped develop it uh there's no comparison I don't care what people no comparison I don't care what people no comparison I don't care what people say you're just full of crap you've say you're just full of crap you've say you're just full of crap you've never you've never been there from the never you've never been there from the never you've never been there from the beginning with the one iOS and and beginning with the one iOS and and beginning with the one iOS and and Android were starting to become a thing Android were starting to become a thing Android were starting to become a thing and working with Enterprises to figure and working with Enterprises to figure and working with Enterprises to figure out okay well how do we how do we um you out okay well how do we how do we um you out okay well how do we how do we um you know evolve and Advance our companies know evolve and Advance our companies know evolve and Advance our companies using these Technologies but how do we using these Technologies but how do we using these Technologies but how do we develop apps right yeah and then you develop apps right yeah and then you develop apps right yeah and then you know in the gaming World there is no know in the gaming World there is no know in the gaming World there is no question Apple question Apple question Apple apple is it will pay is is where you get

apple is it will pay is is where you get apple is it will pay is is where you get paid uh I mean go and ask anybody in paid uh I mean go and ask anybody in paid uh I mean go and ask anybody in Hollywood that does a game development Hollywood that does a game development Hollywood that does a game development for any of the brands they'll tell you for any of the brands they'll tell you for any of the brands they'll tell you yeah it's Apple hands down yeah it's Apple hands down yeah it's Apple hands down yeah I don't know where this where this yeah I don't know where this where this yeah I don't know where this where this myth comes from and you know you know myth comes from and you know you know myth comes from and you know you know here's the thing with um with uh what here's the thing with um with uh what here's the thing with um with uh what Rob just said people do forget yeah 30 Rob just said people do forget yeah 30 Rob just said people do forget yeah 30 whatever fee they they don't collect whatever fee they they don't collect whatever fee they they don't collect that on everything right uh that on everything right uh that on everything right uh um the thing is is that uh the software um the thing is is that uh the software um the thing is is that uh the software business the gross margins if you're a business the gross margins if you're a business the gross margins if you're a health you know a mature software health you know a mature software health you know a mature software business business is about 90 to 85 business business is about 90 to 85 business business is about 90 to 85 percent gross margin right but when you percent gross margin right but when you percent gross margin right but when you look at their their uh operating margin look at their their uh operating margin look at their their uh operating margin um it ends up being something like um I um it ends up being something like um I um it ends up being something like um I don't know 40 to it could be 50 if don't know 40 to it could be 50 if don't know 40 to it could be 50 if they're they're really a well-running they're they're really a well-running they're they're really a well-running organization organization organization that difference is SG a that's the cost that difference is SG a that's the cost that difference is SG a that's the cost of doing business handling uh you know of doing business handling uh you know of doing business handling uh you know building your channels Distributing building your channels Distributing building your channels Distributing marketing and all that stuff marketing and all that stuff marketing and all that stuff that's a hell of a lot more than 30 that's a hell of a lot more than 30 that's a hell of a lot more than 30 percent percent percent and this is what people don't know and this is what people don't know and this is what people don't know because they don't know software because they don't know software because they don't know software business model versus and how it's business model versus and how it's business model versus and how it's evolved through these marketplaces and evolved through these marketplaces and evolved through these marketplaces and the economics the benefits that the economics the benefits that the economics the benefits that developers have gotten and so you know a developers have gotten and so you know a developers have gotten and so you know a lot of these developers were whining are lot of these developers were whining are lot of these developers were whining are shooting themselves in the foot you know shooting themselves in the foot you know shooting themselves in the foot you know and um they're not looking after their

and um they're not looking after their and um they're not looking after their customers they're looking after customers they're looking after customers they're looking after themselves but going back to what we've themselves but going back to what we've themselves but going back to what we've just said before well the reason why uh just said before well the reason why uh just said before well the reason why uh you know a lot of these you know a lot of these you know a lot of these developer-centric platforms I can't developer-centric platforms I can't developer-centric platforms I can't compete with apple is because they focus compete with apple is because they focus compete with apple is because they focus on the developer instead of the the user on the developer instead of the the user on the developer instead of the the user and that's Twisted do you know what I'm and that's Twisted do you know what I'm and that's Twisted do you know what I'm saying and so and that's the thing that saying and so and that's the thing that saying and so and that's the thing that a lot of tech industry people don't get a lot of tech industry people don't get a lot of tech industry people don't get I mean I mean I mean go around ask how people think about you go around ask how people think about you go around ask how people think about you know what Apple does with the 30 and know what Apple does with the 30 and know what Apple does with the 30 and you realize oh you don't really know you realize oh you don't really know you realize oh you don't really know anything about the software industry and anything about the software industry and anything about the software industry and how it's evolved and what actually cost how it's evolved and what actually cost how it's evolved and what actually cost because you know we had uh HTML5 because you know we had uh HTML5 because you know we had uh HTML5 you can go off and build your own you can go off and build your own you can go off and build your own friggin web app and with all the cloud friggin web app and with all the cloud friggin web app and with all the cloud gaming crap build it on your own stop gaming crap build it on your own stop gaming crap build it on your own stop whining about the 30 you can you can whining about the 30 you can you can whining about the 30 you can you can build those apps and then go straight build those apps and then go straight build those apps and then go straight through Safari through Safari through Safari and then do whatever the hell you want and then do whatever the hell you want and then do whatever the hell you want to do to do to do go use your own payment system don't use go use your own payment system don't use go use your own payment system don't use anything Apple you can still deliver anything Apple you can still deliver anything Apple you can still deliver that through an iPhone that through an iPhone that through an iPhone I feel like you're ranting I feel like you're ranting I feel like you're ranting I am okay and how can we move that I am okay and how can we move that I am okay and how can we move that economics to the iot economics to the iot economics to the iot we always rant we always rant we always rant that's a great question mark good that's a great question mark good that's a great question mark good question yeah that's a great question question yeah that's a great question question yeah that's a great question lead to something lead to something lead to something what's happening yeah so iot that's a

what's happening yeah so iot that's a what's happening yeah so iot that's a great question and maybe that's a good great question and maybe that's a good great question and maybe that's a good way to think about it because maybe way to think about it because maybe way to think about it because maybe we're all fragmented and maybe we're all we're all fragmented and maybe we're all we're all fragmented and maybe we're all over the map there's lots of great over the map there's lots of great over the map there's lots of great technology but it didn't matter there's technology but it didn't matter there's technology but it didn't matter there's it's all over everywhere it's scattered it's all over everywhere it's scattered it's all over everywhere it's scattered and have magic into one store and have magic into one store and have magic into one store you know because if nothing else you you know because if nothing else you you know because if nothing else you know you're talking about SG a and know you're talking about SG a and know you're talking about SG a and everything later you know everything later you know everything later you know you got to pay if if you didn't have the you got to pay if if you didn't have the you got to pay if if you didn't have the App Store you were paying for your App Store you were paying for your App Store you were paying for your website your marketing your your sales website your marketing your your sales website your marketing your your sales channels all that kind of stuff that channels all that kind of stuff that channels all that kind of stuff that costs so much money costs so much money costs so much money if you semi-eliminated most of that and if you semi-eliminated most of that and if you semi-eliminated most of that and your sales channel was the App Store and your sales channel was the App Store and your sales channel was the App Store and App Store it was great at finding App Store it was great at finding App Store it was great at finding visibility finding you and stuff like visibility finding you and stuff like visibility finding you and stuff like that and all the content how do we do that and all the content how do we do that and all the content how do we do that for iot how do we find that for iot how do we find that for iot how do we find Solutions and iot through some kind of Solutions and iot through some kind of Solutions and iot through some kind of marketplace without creating yet another marketplace without creating yet another marketplace without creating yet another Marketplace on the web somewhere which Marketplace on the web somewhere which Marketplace on the web somewhere which is probably what we'd be fine to do is probably what we'd be fine to do is probably what we'd be fine to do yeah and even furthermore how this is yeah and even furthermore how this is yeah and even furthermore how this is going to be adopted and Enough by the going to be adopted and Enough by the going to be adopted and Enough by the hardware manufacturers no if it's even hardware manufacturers no if it's even hardware manufacturers no if it's even hard for them to certify for apple and hard for them to certify for apple and hard for them to certify for apple and get the Apple cheese Etc and how they get the Apple cheese Etc and how they get the Apple cheese Etc and how they are gonna retrofit yeah that's probably are gonna retrofit yeah that's probably are gonna retrofit yeah that's probably it is on the mobile phones it was not it is on the mobile phones it was not it is on the mobile phones it was not needed but yeah it's gonna um yeah well needed but yeah it's gonna um yeah well needed but yeah it's gonna um yeah well luckily Mark is a great developer and luckily Mark is a great developer and luckily Mark is a great developer and he's going to build a Marketplace Leonard you're right think you know Leonard you're right think you know thinking about it you'd happily pay 30

thinking about it you'd happily pay 30 thinking about it you'd happily pay 30 because 70 of nothing uh sorry 70 of because 70 of nothing uh sorry 70 of because 70 of nothing uh sorry 70 of something is better than 100 or nothing something is better than 100 or nothing something is better than 100 or nothing right yeah and and if someone you know right yeah and and if someone you know right yeah and and if someone you know and and mark to answer your question how and and mark to answer your question how and and mark to answer your question how you know how do we create that variety you know how do we create that variety you know how do we create that variety well I guess that's a million dollar well I guess that's a million dollar well I guess that's a million dollar question but I think it starts with the question but I think it starts with the question but I think it starts with the audience uh we need we need the audience audience uh we need we need the audience audience uh we need we need the audience and we build it around the audience and we build it around the audience and we build it around the audience first of all but where are all those first of all but where are all those first of all but where are all those people congregating and if they're not people congregating and if they're not people congregating and if they're not congregating somewhere yeah then we need congregating somewhere yeah then we need congregating somewhere yeah then we need to bring them together somehow right to bring them together somehow right to bring them together somehow right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and and you know yeah yeah and and you know yeah yeah and and you know um um um yeah it's back to what we talk about yeah it's back to what we talk about yeah it's back to what we talk about stop saying iot all along because that's stop saying iot all along because that's stop saying iot all along because that's like saying I have an internet platform like saying I have an internet platform like saying I have an internet platform yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and so right it's customers have and so right it's customers have and so right it's customers have problems to solve problems to solve problems to solve problems with that there's some kind of problems with that there's some kind of problems with that there's some kind of connectivity moving data from something connectivity moving data from something connectivity moving data from something to analyzing it to analyzing it to analyzing it and there's a million use cases how do and there's a million use cases how do and there's a million use cases how do you pull all those use cases instead of you pull all those use cases instead of you pull all those use cases instead of saying we got iot how do you say we've saying we got iot how do you say we've saying we got iot how do you say we've got the water treatment problem and the got the water treatment problem and the got the water treatment problem and the pick up the trash problem and the pick up the trash problem and the pick up the trash problem and the whatever building management Energy whatever building management Energy whatever building management Energy Management problem to solve here and Management problem to solve here and Management problem to solve here and here's where you can do it here's where you can do it here's where you can do it um um um and do it and do it and do it for the benefit of everyone for the benefit of everyone for the benefit of everyone um because I obviously need different um because I obviously need different um because I obviously need different players in the market want to win players in the market want to win players in the market want to win and and so you go to their website they and and so you go to their website they and and so you go to their website they probably have something like that as probably have something like that as probably have something like that as long as you're using their technology long as you're using their technology long as you're using their technology right yeah

right yeah right yeah um um um yeah you know I I think it just boils yeah you know I I think it just boils yeah you know I I think it just boils down to down to down to um um um um um um rebalancing the community rebalancing the community rebalancing the community from having such a focus on building from having such a focus on building from having such a focus on building tools and tools and tools and stuff stuff stuff um to um to um to um actually um actually um actually building stuff you know taking the building stuff you know taking the building stuff you know taking the knowledge that they have about the knowledge that they have about the knowledge that they have about the complexity and just actually building complexity and just actually building complexity and just actually building something for a customer and solving something for a customer and solving something for a customer and solving problems I mean that just sounds so problems I mean that just sounds so problems I mean that just sounds so generic and easy but it's just people generic and easy but it's just people generic and easy but it's just people they don't do there's a ton of people they don't do there's a ton of people they don't do there's a ton of people that are still building widgets and that are still building widgets and that are still building widgets and tools you know and maybe there there tools you know and maybe there there tools you know and maybe there there should only be a few of them that are should only be a few of them that are should only be a few of them that are really good at that stuff and the rest really good at that stuff and the rest really good at that stuff and the rest just take a lot of the experience of you just take a lot of the experience of you just take a lot of the experience of you know dealing with heterogeneous know dealing with heterogeneous know dealing with heterogeneous Technologies in their fight to have Technologies in their fight to have Technologies in their fight to have their own tool their own tool their own tool um become successful or you know kind of um become successful or you know kind of um become successful or you know kind of become a signal above the noise take become a signal above the noise take become a signal above the noise take that and then just become an SI that and then just become an SI that and then just become an SI build stuff solve problems instead of build stuff solve problems instead of build stuff solve problems instead of talking about tools all the time and talking about tools all the time and talking about tools all the time and Technologies and protocols and freaking Technologies and protocols and freaking Technologies and protocols and freaking standards and blah blah blah um you know standards and blah blah blah um you know standards and blah blah blah um you know going back to what we were saying before going back to what we were saying before going back to what we were saying before or about what Steve Jobs saw would who or about what Steve Jobs saw would who or about what Steve Jobs saw would who you know that the rest of the Tech you know that the rest of the Tech you know that the rest of the Tech Community at the time didn't see is it's Community at the time didn't see is it's Community at the time didn't see is it's all about the customer

all about the customer all about the customer but it's not it's not that simple it's but it's not it's not that simple it's but it's not it's not that simple it's not about starting starting from the not about starting starting from the not about starting starting from the customer experience doesn't mean that customer experience doesn't mean that customer experience doesn't mean that you're listening to the customer you you're listening to the customer you you're listening to the customer you know something more that's even more know something more that's even more know something more that's even more valuable and you can deliver on that valuable and you can deliver on that valuable and you can deliver on that and not everyone can do it and not everyone can do it and not everyone can do it not ever because what a lot of people do not ever because what a lot of people do not ever because what a lot of people do is they go off and do surveys and they is they go off and do surveys and they is they go off and do surveys and they ask the customer well what do you want ask the customer well what do you want ask the customer well what do you want and that all ends up being and that all ends up being and that all ends up being non-differentiated and sometimes even non-differentiated and sometimes even non-differentiated and sometimes even wrong it steers you in the wrong wrong it steers you in the wrong wrong it steers you in the wrong direction which is why I'm doing this direction which is why I'm doing this direction which is why I'm doing this research with this because these guys research with this because these guys research with this because these guys have all of them have problem and these have all of them have problem and these have all of them have problem and these guys guys guys right because the dialogue and the right because the dialogue and the right because the dialogue and the mindset is Twisted right and so we get mindset is Twisted right and so we get mindset is Twisted right and so we get into this visual cycle of nonsense that into this visual cycle of nonsense that into this visual cycle of nonsense that keeps keeps keeps where it is just to go off the rails where it is just to go off the rails where it is just to go off the rails here speaking of holding up that laptop here speaking of holding up that laptop here speaking of holding up that laptop you know you're you're good friends over you know you're you're good friends over you know you're you're good friends over at futurium at futurium at futurium obviously posting that chart about how obviously posting that chart about how obviously posting that chart about how all the PC makers just fell off a cliff all the PC makers just fell off a cliff all the PC makers just fell off a cliff last quarter like collapsed like sales last quarter like collapsed like sales last quarter like collapsed like sales and laptops and apple was the worst and laptops and apple was the worst and laptops and apple was the worst which was yeah which was yeah which was yeah that was really you know is this the that was really you know is this the that was really you know is this the post covid post covid post covid hangover Melody yeah probably yeah so hangover Melody yeah probably yeah so hangover Melody yeah probably yeah so you know what they made the record right you know what they made the record right you know what they made the record right the sales record whatever right that was the sales record whatever right that was the sales record whatever right that was copied uh so yeah welcome to the reality copied uh so yeah welcome to the reality copied uh so yeah welcome to the reality but on the other hand I think Apple just but on the other hand I think Apple just but on the other hand I think Apple just in a way too too fast right on laptops in a way too too fast right on laptops in a way too too fast right on laptops or or the m1s were not good enough

m2s came so m2s came so so close yeah yeah I saw that no yeah so close yeah yeah I saw that no yeah so close yeah yeah I saw that no yeah I've got an M1 Max it was a bit annoyed I've got an M1 Max it was a bit annoyed I've got an M1 Max it was a bit annoyed when the m2s came out to be honest with when the m2s came out to be honest with when the m2s came out to be honest with you yeah me too is it good it works good you yeah me too is it good it works good you yeah me too is it good it works good or yeah it's really good I mean Apple or yeah it's really good I mean Apple or yeah it's really good I mean Apple ever since it was starting to build on ever since it was starting to build on ever since it was starting to build on on Unix and started to make their own on Unix and started to make their own on Unix and started to make their own Hardware recently it's it's great it's Hardware recently it's it's great it's Hardware recently it's it's great it's really really good but but you know we really really good but but you know we really really good but but you know we work men to be using laptops now right work men to be using laptops now right work men to be using laptops now right it was all going to be kind of holograms it was all going to be kind of holograms it was all going to be kind of holograms and stuff and stuff and stuff my laptops are dying you know so my laptops are dying you know so my laptops are dying you know so yeah you know I was pretty pissed off yeah you know I was pretty pissed off yeah you know I was pretty pissed off too because I bought uh the studio which too because I bought uh the studio which too because I bought uh the studio which is butt ass expensive and then they come is butt ass expensive and then they come is butt ass expensive and then they come out with the M2 Pro with the the out with the M2 Pro with the the out with the M2 Pro with the the um in the Mac Mini and it's like um in the Mac Mini and it's like um in the Mac Mini and it's like one-third the price I was like uh yeah uh yeah um but that's the one good thing is that um but that's the one good thing is that um but that's the one good thing is that they hold good residual value though they hold good residual value though they hold good residual value though right yeah so right yeah so right yeah so um Apple Hardware is is just miraculous um Apple Hardware is is just miraculous um Apple Hardware is is just miraculous I sold a I sold an Apple laptop I think I sold a I sold an Apple laptop I think I sold a I sold an Apple laptop I think I bought it in in UK money for like 1800 I bought it in in UK money for like 1800 I bought it in in UK money for like 1800 pounds and so five years later there's pounds and so five years later there's pounds and so five years later there's 600 pounds like try doing that with a 600 pounds like try doing that with a 600 pounds like try doing that with a Lenovo you know try doing that with a Lenovo you know try doing that with a Lenovo you know try doing that with a Dell or a HP yeah Dell or a HP yeah Dell or a HP yeah yeah yeah yeah well you know or Gateway you remember well you know or Gateway you remember well you know or Gateway you remember those yeah yeah Gateway

but you know one of one of the things but you know one of one of the things nobody looks at are the iPad numbers nobody looks at are the iPad numbers nobody looks at are the iPad numbers which is funny because last quarter was which is funny because last quarter was which is funny because last quarter was it last quarter it last quarter it last quarter um max were down but um max were down but um max were down but um that that dip in Max sales was offset um that that dip in Max sales was offset um that that dip in Max sales was offset by by by um by iPad sales um by iPad sales um by iPad sales so yeah you gotta look at the big so yeah you gotta look at the big so yeah you gotta look at the big picture picture picture you know what I'm saying we are we are you know what I'm saying we are we are you know what I'm saying we are we are you have to look at the big picture you you have to look at the big picture you you have to look at the big picture you can freak out about the one segment of a can freak out about the one segment of a can freak out about the one segment of a company's portfolio and but I guarantee company's portfolio and but I guarantee company's portfolio and but I guarantee you all those companies are freaking out you all those companies are freaking out you all those companies are freaking out right now okay oh yeah they're they're right now okay oh yeah they're they're right now okay oh yeah they're they're totally freaking out and uh it's not totally freaking out and uh it's not totally freaking out and uh it's not good news right definitely not good news good news right definitely not good news good news right definitely not good news regardless actually now that you say regardless actually now that you say regardless actually now that you say this for for the iPad I was thinking on this for for the iPad I was thinking on this for for the iPad I was thinking on changing my laptop for an iPad changing my laptop for an iPad changing my laptop for an iPad so first of all it's so it's less weight so first of all it's so it's less weight so first of all it's so it's less weight so it's like half of the weight of a so it's like half of the weight of a so it's like half of the weight of a laptop the battery it's double or even laptop the battery it's double or even laptop the battery it's double or even more more more screen the display is exactly the same screen the display is exactly the same screen the display is exactly the same you just need a Bluetooth you just need a Bluetooth you just need a Bluetooth um keyboard yeah yeah and then you just um keyboard yeah yeah and then you just um keyboard yeah yeah and then you just need some virtual machines somewhere and need some virtual machines somewhere and need some virtual machines somewhere and you can do it oh yeah you can do it oh yeah you can do it oh yeah yeah yeah yeah this isn't the OS now in uh the iPad this isn't the OS now in uh the iPad this isn't the OS now in uh the iPad isn't it the same platform isn't it the isn't it the same platform isn't it the isn't it the same platform isn't it the OS sacks for work but um I mean if you OS sacks for work but um I mean if you OS sacks for work but um I mean if you have some beautiful machines somewhere have some beautiful machines somewhere have some beautiful machines somewhere with Linux

a laptop charger a laptop charger so um yeah I'm thinking if that's a good so um yeah I'm thinking if that's a good so um yeah I'm thinking if that's a good solution for uh yeah I've been really solution for uh yeah I've been really solution for uh yeah I've been really having that Logitech what a touch having that Logitech what a touch having that Logitech what a touch they updated it for the the New Gen 10 they updated it for the the New Gen 10 they updated it for the the New Gen 10 iPad you know kind of hugs around there iPad you know kind of hugs around there iPad you know kind of hugs around there and has the pegboard keyboard and it's and has the pegboard keyboard and it's and has the pegboard keyboard and it's no longer Bluetooth keyboard because no longer Bluetooth keyboard because no longer Bluetooth keyboard because there's now connectors on the bottom of there's now connectors on the bottom of there's now connectors on the bottom of the iPad so it snaps in the iPad so it snaps in the iPad so it snaps in backlit and what's nice backlit and what's nice backlit and what's nice I'm happy yeah so I yeah I got this guys I'm happy yeah so I yeah I got this guys I'm happy yeah so I yeah I got this guys at Qualcomm gave me this this is the at Qualcomm gave me this this is the at Qualcomm gave me this this is the x13s from Lenovo and it Sports the x13s from Lenovo and it Sports the x13s from Lenovo and it Sports the um eights uh what is it uh uh uh um eights uh what is it uh uh uh um eights uh what is it uh uh uh Snapdragon 8cx yeah Snapdragon 8cx yeah Snapdragon 8cx yeah um and um yeah it's kind of cool um and um yeah it's kind of cool um and um yeah it's kind of cool um um um yeah there's compromises definitely yeah there's compromises definitely yeah there's compromises definitely right it doesn't run all all the right it doesn't run all all the right it doesn't run all all the software mostly games but most software mostly games but most software mostly games but most productivity stuff you can do it's more productivity stuff you can do it's more productivity stuff you can do it's more it's becoming more tablet like more more it's becoming more tablet like more more it's becoming more tablet like more more mobile and I think that's one of the mobile and I think that's one of the mobile and I think that's one of the good things that Apple's doing is it's good things that Apple's doing is it's good things that Apple's doing is it's actually influencing everyone to actually influencing everyone to actually influencing everyone to actually converge the ultra portable actually converge the ultra portable actually converge the ultra portable laptops with laptops with laptops with the tablet right and you know a lot of the tablet right and you know a lot of the tablet right and you know a lot of people have historically poo pooed on people have historically poo pooed on people have historically poo pooed on the iPad going why do you even have that the iPad going why do you even have that the iPad going why do you even have that why don't you do a two-in-one blah blah why don't you do a two-in-one blah blah why don't you do a two-in-one blah blah blah that's probably been the most blah that's probably been the most blah that's probably been the most instrumental thing they've come out with instrumental thing they've come out with instrumental thing they've come out with it's just that people don't realize it's just that people don't realize it's just that people don't realize um that you know it has this design

um that you know it has this design um that you know it has this design Innovation gravity on the industry that Innovation gravity on the industry that Innovation gravity on the industry that I think is far underappreciated you know I think is far underappreciated you know I think is far underappreciated you know but I've been using I only travel with but I've been using I only travel with but I've been using I only travel with an iPad now because it does most of the an iPad now because it does most of the an iPad now because it does most of the stuff I need but what you were what stuff I need but what you were what stuff I need but what you were what you're talking about you're talking about you're talking about um uh Mark you know basically using um uh Mark you know basically using um uh Mark you know basically using something like TeamViewer to to to you something like TeamViewer to to to you something like TeamViewer to to to you know just have a basically uh have a um know just have a basically uh have a um know just have a basically uh have a um uh you know a virtual desktop on your uh you know a virtual desktop on your uh you know a virtual desktop on your iPad iPad iPad it works great you know yeah and it works great you know yeah and it works great you know yeah and um uh I I was doing that um uh I I was doing that um uh I I was doing that jeez jeez jeez seven years ago Dude isn't that scary seven years ago Dude isn't that scary seven years ago Dude isn't that scary seven years ago that's the only reason seven years ago that's the only reason seven years ago that's the only reason why I know TeamViewer because I was why I know TeamViewer because I was why I know TeamViewer because I was using TeamViewer to do exactly that using TeamViewer to do exactly that using TeamViewer to do exactly that so people have here's the other problem so people have here's the other problem so people have here's the other problem you have a lot of pundits who basically you have a lot of pundits who basically you have a lot of pundits who basically all over something without even all over something without even all over something without even trying you know what I'm saying and so trying you know what I'm saying and so trying you know what I'm saying and so what they said is this is just a toy what they said is this is just a toy what they said is this is just a toy just a toy and I've been riding for a just a toy and I've been riding for a just a toy and I've been riding for a long time it's like this is not a long time it's like this is not a long time it's like this is not a freaking toy you can do a lot of stuff freaking toy you can do a lot of stuff freaking toy you can do a lot of stuff with it you know but it took a while for with it you know but it took a while for with it you know but it took a while for it to become a laptop replacement for me it to become a laptop replacement for me it to become a laptop replacement for me but dude you want to talk about killing but dude you want to talk about killing but dude you want to talk about killing it with a video rendering oh my God the it with a video rendering oh my God the it with a video rendering oh my God the thing is a freaking Beast I have no idea thing is a freaking Beast I have no idea thing is a freaking Beast I have no idea how you know and it's a three-year-old how you know and it's a three-year-old how you know and it's a three-year-old iPad Pro it's still freaking kills you

iPad Pro it's still freaking kills you iPad Pro it's still freaking kills you know what I'm saying know what I'm saying know what I'm saying and and it's not it's it's uh and and it's not it's it's uh and and it's not it's it's uh um you know yeah it's pretty remarkable um you know yeah it's pretty remarkable um you know yeah it's pretty remarkable I think the big I think the big thing I think the big I think the big thing I think the big I think the big thing will come in when will come in when will come in when um you know inputting text into the um you know inputting text into the um you know inputting text into the device becomes easier right so if you device becomes easier right so if you device becomes easier right so if you look at like the Surface Pro I mean look at like the Surface Pro I mean look at like the Surface Pro I mean that's basically a tablet with a that's basically a tablet with a that's basically a tablet with a keyboard isn't it right so it's kind of keyboard isn't it right so it's kind of keyboard isn't it right so it's kind of a hybrid between an iPad and a laptop I a hybrid between an iPad and a laptop I a hybrid between an iPad and a laptop I still like a quirky keyboard I'm I'm still like a quirky keyboard I'm I'm still like a quirky keyboard I'm I'm quicker than at home typing as opposed quicker than at home typing as opposed quicker than at home typing as opposed to diction and um and I never really use to diction and um and I never really use to diction and um and I never really use it because it's not quite right but it's it because it's not quite right but it's it because it's not quite right but it's getting there soon and I think and I getting there soon and I think and I getting there soon and I think and I think the tap the tablet I think will think the tap the tablet I think will think the tap the tablet I think will become more become more become more um uh well used compared to the laptop um uh well used compared to the laptop um uh well used compared to the laptop when when the inputting of the data when when the inputting of the data when when the inputting of the data becomes a lot easier robust and reliable becomes a lot easier robust and reliable becomes a lot easier robust and reliable in my opinion yeah no that's that's a in my opinion yeah no that's that's a in my opinion yeah no that's that's a good point but I think people still have good point but I think people still have good point but I think people still have trouble talking to machines I mean I'm trouble talking to machines I mean I'm trouble talking to machines I mean I'm not really good at talking with Siri or not really good at talking with Siri or not really good at talking with Siri or humans Google yeah you know you know um so um so um so is wrong because it caught me it can't is wrong because it caught me it can't is wrong because it caught me it can't be that far though right you know you be that far though right you know you be that far though right you know you know with chat GPT and some of the know with chat GPT and some of the know with chat GPT and some of the advancements in uh NLP Etc it can't be advancements in uh NLP Etc it can't be advancements in uh NLP Etc it can't be that far to actually be pretty good that far to actually be pretty good that far to actually be pretty good um but you're right you know see I I use um but you're right you know see I I use um but you're right you know see I I use Siri for notes and reminders and it gets Siri for notes and reminders and it gets Siri for notes and reminders and it gets the most basic things wrong

the most basic things wrong the most basic things wrong um so but we can't be too far away from um so but we can't be too far away from um so but we can't be too far away from from that happening any anything from a from that happening any anything from a from that happening any anything from a kind of RSI perspective everyone knows kind of RSI perspective everyone knows kind of RSI perspective everyone knows someone you know we're competitive someone you know we're competitive someone you know we're competitive strain injury from either coding or strain injury from either coding or strain injury from either coding or typing for too long so it's a bit if you typing for too long so it's a bit if you typing for too long so it's a bit if you think about it it's a bit it's a bit old think about it it's a bit it's a bit old think about it it's a bit it's a bit old hat a bit old-fashioned right to type hat a bit old-fashioned right to type hat a bit old-fashioned right to type stuff into a keyboard because I think if stuff into a keyboard because I think if stuff into a keyboard because I think if memory serves me right that's why quirky memory serves me right that's why quirky memory serves me right that's why quirky came about wasn't it because the came about wasn't it because the came about wasn't it because the original typewriters were typing too original typewriters were typing too original typewriters were typing too quickly and so they had to change the quickly and so they had to change the quickly and so they had to change the layout to stop the the typewrites and layout to stop the the typewrites and layout to stop the the typewrites and making mistakes on the page right then I making mistakes on the page right then I making mistakes on the page right then I think that's originally why the QWERTY think that's originally why the QWERTY think that's originally why the QWERTY keyboard came about you're right quality keyboard came about you're right quality keyboard came about you're right quality was designed to slow you down yeah yeah was designed to slow you down yeah yeah was designed to slow you down yeah yeah that's right wow I had no idea yes that's right wow I had no idea yes that's right wow I had no idea yes search for a Dvorak keyboard okay search for a Dvorak keyboard okay search for a Dvorak keyboard okay yeah they're so smart and knowledgeable yeah they're so smart and knowledgeable yeah they're so smart and knowledgeable it's amazing it's amazing it's amazing how do you know all this stuff okay well how do you know all this stuff okay well how do you know all this stuff okay well um looks like that's the uh end for end um looks like that's the uh end for end um looks like that's the uh end for end of episode 151 of episode 151 of episode 151 159 nice yeah 151 when you want stronger 159 nice yeah 151 when you want stronger 159 nice yeah 151 when you want stronger yeah yeah so yeah so um um um when are you gonna when are you gonna when are you gonna when are you gonna when are you gonna when are you gonna arrive in Florida man arrive in Florida man arrive in Florida man uh so it should be well we're planning uh so it should be well we're planning uh so it should be well we're planning for June but it might be a couple more for June but it might be a couple more for June but it might be a couple more months it's all Visa pending uh but I'm months it's all Visa pending uh but I'm months it's all Visa pending uh but I'm looking I'm looking forward to it you looking I'm looking forward to it you looking I'm looking forward to it you know know know um I'm decided what I'm deciding what um I'm decided what I'm deciding what um I'm decided what I'm deciding what car to buy but it's going to be big and

car to buy but it's going to be big and car to buy but it's going to be big and uh uh yeah and I'm just looking I'm uh uh yeah and I'm just looking I'm uh uh yeah and I'm just looking I'm looking forward to it it's uh it's a looking forward to it it's uh it's a looking forward to it it's uh it's a great it's a great place it's a great great it's a great place it's a great great it's a great place it's a great country and uh yeah it's overdue yeah country and uh yeah it's overdue yeah country and uh yeah it's overdue yeah yeah absolutely yeah thank you yeah yeah absolutely yeah thank you yeah yeah absolutely yeah thank you yeah you're all welcome hang out on me come you're all welcome hang out on me come you're all welcome hang out on me come down come down to the swamp I'll be down come down to the swamp I'll be down come down to the swamp I'll be wrestling a gator somewhere probably wrestling a gator somewhere probably wrestling a gator somewhere probably oh oh oh it's awesome it's awesome it's awesome that's awesome okay guys who wants to that's awesome okay guys who wants to that's awesome okay guys who wants to take us out no volunteers okay no volunteers okay yeah do it in Spanish yeah do it in Spanish yeah do it in Spanish yes good idea Catalan yes good idea Catalan yes good idea Catalan Catalan ah yes are you sure I don't know what to ah yes are you sure I don't know what to say so I give it to you I give the say so I give it to you I give the say so I give it to you I give the honors to you please honors to you please honors to you please okay okay okay listeners who got this far as we always listeners who got this far as we always listeners who got this far as we always say holy crap thank you we appreciate say holy crap thank you we appreciate say holy crap thank you we appreciate your attention gracias interest yeah and your attention gracias interest yeah and your attention gracias interest yeah and uh remember to like subscribe and share uh remember to like subscribe and share uh remember to like subscribe and share and most importantly comment we want to and most importantly comment we want to and most importantly comment we want to know what you think and uh you know we know what you think and uh you know we know what you think and uh you know we don't care if you don't if you disagree don't care if you don't if you disagree don't care if you don't if you disagree with us that's fine that's even better with us that's fine that's even better with us that's fine that's even better um let's get into like uh is anyone um let's get into like uh is anyone um let's get into like uh is anyone checking the comments on YouTube from checking the comments on YouTube from checking the comments on YouTube from the videos or no the videos or no the videos or no um um um they're not gonna comments don't stop they're not gonna comments don't stop they're not gonna comments don't stop doing this yeah yeah doing this yeah yeah doing this yeah yeah but we will see you next week and but we will see you next week and but we will see you next week and remember to subscribe we're at

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