IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 195 - The Apple Vision Pro (The ultimate in digital twin tech?)

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story is that um I I did go in so my story is that um I I did go in so my order I woke up at 5:00 a.m. I was one order I woke up at 5:00 a.m. I was one order I woke up at 5:00 a.m. I was one of the crazy guys to wake up to get this of the crazy guys to wake up to get this of the crazy guys to wake up to get this thing in the morning and um I I got way thing in the morning and um I I got way thing in the morning and um I I got way laid by the whole prescription laid by the whole prescription laid by the whole prescription insert insert insert order 10 10 minutes later well it was order 10 10 minutes later well it was order 10 10 minutes later well it was like pushed out three weeks so I was like pushed out three weeks so I was like pushed out three weeks so I was supposed to get mine on 20th so I felt supposed to get mine on 20th so I felt supposed to get mine on 20th so I felt bad and I I uh decided to go to the bad and I I uh decided to go to the bad and I I uh decided to go to the local Apple Store just to check it out local Apple Store just to check it out local Apple Store just to check it out right that was one and then yeah and I right that was one and then yeah and I right that was one and then yeah and I was talking to some of the people who was talking to some of the people who was talking to some of the people who were demoing it and number one they were were demoing it and number one they were were demoing it and number one they were blown away and some of them you know and blown away and some of them you know and blown away and some of them you know and typically there were couples weren't typically there were couples weren't typically there were couples weren't thinking of picking out they ended up thinking of picking out they ended up thinking of picking out they ended up buying it I mean they dropped like buying it I mean they dropped like buying it I mean they dropped like basically what you know 4,000 5,000 basically what you know 4,000 5,000 basically what you know 4,000 5,000 bucks on this thing you know like an bucks on this thing you know like an bucks on this thing you know like an Impulse spot it's that it's that Impulse spot it's that it's that Impulse spot it's that it's that compelling uh evidently I mean who knows compelling uh evidently I mean who knows compelling uh evidently I mean who knows they might bring it back after a while they might bring it back after a while they might bring it back after a while after they realized how much they spent after they realized how much they spent after they realized how much they spent on this thing um but yeah you know it's on this thing um but yeah you know it's on this thing um but yeah you know it's like one of those things where you just like one of those things where you just like one of those things where you just go holy crap did they really do this and go holy crap did they really do this and go holy crap did they really do this and then uh you just feel compelled to just then uh you just feel compelled to just then uh you just feel compelled to just buy it right and um I asked one of them buy it right and um I asked one of them buy it right and um I asked one of them the the um uh Apple the the um uh Apple the the um uh Apple guys hey wait a minute he you just guys hey wait a minute he you just guys hey wait a minute he you just walked out of a box the guy bought it I walked out of a box the guy bought it I walked out of a box the guy bought it I like can you buy this thing right now or like can you buy this thing right now or like can you buy this thing right now or can you get it you have it in stock and

can you get it you have it in stock and can you get it you have it in stock and they said yeah we have a few in stock they said yeah we have a few in stock they said yeah we have a few in stock and I got lucky they had my size cuz you and I got lucky they had my size cuz you and I got lucky they had my size cuz you know this thing right here is insert know this thing right here is insert know this thing right here is insert pretty custom fitted yeah they call it pretty custom fitted yeah they call it pretty custom fitted yeah they call it it the U the the light seal yeah uh it's it the U the the light seal yeah uh it's it the U the the light seal yeah uh it's fitted for everyone there's about 30 or fitted for everyone there's about 30 or fitted for everyone there's about 30 or 40 different sizes and so they scan your 40 different sizes and so they scan your 40 different sizes and so they scan your face and they give you the one that's face and they give you the one that's face and they give you the one that's perfect for your face and they had one perfect for your face and they had one perfect for your face and they had one and I I picked it up and you know uh got and I I picked it up and you know uh got and I I picked it up and you know uh got lucky so that was lucky so that was lucky so that was Saturday and I've been goofing around Saturday and I've been goofing around Saturday and I've been goofing around with it ever since yeah and um you with it ever since yeah and um you with it ever since yeah and um you how do you get the two cameras going how do you get the two cameras going how do you get the two cameras going like what is that what is happening are like what is that what is happening are like what is that what is happening are you running a Zoom app or is say yeah you running a Zoom app or is say yeah you running a Zoom app or is say yeah they have a Zoom app so I have it on my they have a Zoom app so I have it on my they have a Zoom app so I have it on my studio right at my ma iMac studio and studio right at my ma iMac studio and studio right at my ma iMac studio and then I have it this digital twin is or then I have it this digital twin is or then I have it this digital twin is or Avatar you're running Zoom twice Avatar you're running Zoom twice Avatar you're running Zoom twice basically two instances of yeah basically two instances of yeah basically two instances of yeah exactly you're going to have to decide exactly you're going to have to decide exactly you're going to have to decide on one because it's very very Le so and on one because it's very very Le so and on one because it's very very Le so and in the middle in the middle in the middle so yeah yeah and this is a trip I don't so yeah yeah and this is a trip I don't so yeah yeah and this is a trip I don't think anyone's really done this where think anyone's really done this where think anyone's really done this where they've mirrored they've mirrored they've mirrored simultaneously um the person and the simultaneously um the person and the simultaneously um the person and the Persona yeah no I think it's cool so on Persona yeah no I think it's cool so on Persona yeah no I think it's cool so on my screen um it's displayed at the top my screen um it's displayed at the top my screen um it's displayed at the top left and right and I'm in the middle

left and right and I'm in the middle left and right and I'm in the middle yeah me too that's what you're saying to yeah me too that's what you're saying to yeah me too that's what you're saying to meet you right you I have you left right meet you right you I have you left right meet you right you I have you left right right next to each so it's kind right next to each so it's kind right next to each so it's kind of and the Persona looks great I mean of and the Persona looks great I mean of and the Persona looks great I mean it's very authentic I don't you know it's very authentic I don't you know it's very authentic I don't you know a little on Candy Valley but it's uh a little on Candy Valley but it's uh a little on Candy Valley but it's uh yeah I wish I could get rid of this like yeah I wish I could get rid of this like yeah I wish I could get rid of this like turkey neck part right over there but turkey neck part right over there but turkey neck part right over there but don't worry the filters are coming don't worry the filters are coming don't worry the filters are coming that's probably an add-on yeah that's that's probably an add-on yeah that's that's probably an add-on yeah that's exactly very soon you could probably put exactly very soon you could probably put exactly very soon you could probably put whatever face you want and how did they capture that did you and how did they capture that did you get so if you can figure out a way to get so if you can figure out a way to get so if you can figure out a way to stay Leonard on the normal one and be stay Leonard on the normal one and be stay Leonard on the normal one and be vanen on the other one that would be vanen on the other one that would be vanen on the other one that would be something great for the show here oh I something great for the show here oh I something great for the show here oh I mean what was that I'm sorry so if you mean what was that I'm sorry so if you mean what was that I'm sorry so if you can have a filter so that you vanen on can have a filter so that you vanen on can have a filter so that you vanen on your on your on your digital twn your on your on your digital twn your on your on your digital twn CH yeah yeah yeah um but it's funny a CH yeah yeah yeah um but it's funny a CH yeah yeah yeah um but it's funny a lot of people trip out about the Persona lot of people trip out about the Persona lot of people trip out about the Persona and but I think people are just not used and but I think people are just not used and but I think people are just not used to how they look I think I mentioned to how they look I think I mentioned to how they look I think I mentioned this um in one of the podcasts I did this um in one of the podcasts I did this um in one of the podcasts I did with Mark Vina um we're photo with Mark Vina um we're photo with Mark Vina um we're photo unrealistic you know photographs don't unrealistic you know photographs don't unrealistic you know photographs don't actually capture how we look and so when actually capture how we look and so when actually capture how we look and so when we see our 3D self we trip out because we see our 3D self we trip out because we see our 3D self we trip out because we only see like certain angles of we only see like certain angles of we only see like certain angles of ourselves you know the good side the bad ourselves you know the good side the bad ourselves you know the good side the bad side and you know there's certain parts side and you know there's certain parts side and you know there's certain parts that we don't want to see right you see that we don't want to see right you see that we don't want to see right you see a lot of these models say well this is a lot of these models say well this is a lot of these models say well this is my good side so please take it from this my good side so please take it from this my good side so please take it from this side but not this side we have a

side but not this side we have a side but not this side we have a distorted mental image distorted mental image distorted mental image of this may be more truthful than we're of this may be more truthful than we're of this may be more truthful than we're comfortable with right in terms of that comfortable with right in terms of that comfortable with right in terms of that spatial representation of ourselves and spatial representation of ourselves and spatial representation of ourselves and um I think that's like really the you um I think that's like really the you um I think that's like really the you know everyone in the XR world has been know everyone in the XR world has been know everyone in the XR world has been focusing on the VR part of it which is focusing on the VR part of it which is focusing on the VR part of it which is really Virtual Worlds virtual selves you really Virtual Worlds virtual selves you really Virtual Worlds virtual selves you know like with meta with the goofy know like with meta with the goofy know like with meta with the goofy looking avatars and stuff yeah there you looking avatars and stuff yeah there you looking avatars and stuff yeah there you have no Affinity to those things but have no Affinity to those things but have no Affinity to those things but something like this impacts you something like this impacts you something like this impacts you personally do you know what I'm saying personally do you know what I'm saying personally do you know what I'm saying in the way you look how you uh how you in the way you look how you uh how you in the way you look how you uh how you are are are represented somehow suddenly takes on a represented somehow suddenly takes on a represented somehow suddenly takes on a different weight than if you look like a different weight than if you look like a different weight than if you look like a freaking you know a block character freaking you know a block character freaking you know a block character right ino in uh Roblox or freaking what right ino in uh Roblox or freaking what right ino in uh Roblox or freaking what what's the other yeah well that's where what's the other yeah well that's where what's the other yeah well that's where a lot of the avatars have been you know a lot of the avatars have been you know a lot of the avatars have been you know people have not tried to make it people have not tried to make it people have not tried to make it realistic because it's so hard to do it realistic because it's so hard to do it realistic because it's so hard to do it and all these kind of psycho issues with and all these kind of psycho issues with and all these kind of psycho issues with it but it's like so it's like just make it but it's like so it's like just make it but it's like so it's like just make it look totally fake so that no one but it look totally fake so that no one but it look totally fake so that no one but you know Apple's really I mean this I you know Apple's really I mean this I you know Apple's really I mean this I would say it really looks I think it would say it really looks I think it would say it really looks I think it looks very realistic your hair looks looks very realistic your hair looks looks very realistic your hair looks great by the way I know I I got lucky I great by the way I know I I got lucky I great by the way I know I I got lucky I mean I was like thinking man how can I mean I was like thinking man how can I mean I was like thinking man how can I make that permanent because I'm Los it make that permanent because I'm Los it make that permanent because I'm Los it makes makes me think of a squid game makes makes me think of a squid game makes makes me think of a squid game what squid game yeah that's true but um you know

game yeah that's true but um you know obviously this device is the Talk of the obviously this device is the Talk of the obviously this device is the Talk of the Town right everyone's talking about it Town right everyone's talking about it Town right everyone's talking about it well I saw some interesting videos on well I saw some interesting videos on well I saw some interesting videos on Twitter it was people driving their Twitter it was people driving their Twitter it was people driving their Teslas around with their Vision Pro a Teslas around with their Vision Pro a Teslas around with their Vision Pro a guy with the Cyber truck this is like in guy with the Cyber truck this is like in guy with the Cyber truck this is like in the Bay Area he's driving his cyber the Bay Area he's driving his cyber the Bay Area he's driving his cyber truck down one1 with you know doing truck down one1 with you know doing truck down one1 with you know doing this it's like Peak Peak I don't know this it's like Peak Peak I don't know this it's like Peak Peak I don't know what the word is but it's Peak something what the word is but it's Peak something what the word is but it's Peak something is that is that is that real or is that is that is that is that real or is that is that is that is that real or is that a fake oh yeah no it was someone had a fake oh yeah no it was someone had a fake oh yeah no it was someone had videoed it out of their car and said videoed it out of their car and said videoed it out of their car and said like and and there's been two or three like and and there's been two or three like and and there's been two or three of those uh on Twitter um did um Ro of those uh on Twitter um did um Ro of those uh on Twitter um did um Ro posted the other day something on posted the other day something on posted the other day something on I think it was on Facebook maybe on I think it was on Facebook maybe on I think it was on Facebook maybe on LinkedIn as well about walking into a LinkedIn as well about walking into a LinkedIn as well about walking into a store and seeing somebody get out of the store and seeing somebody get out of the store and seeing somebody get out of the car wearing this and and just pinching car wearing this and and just pinching car wearing this and and just pinching yeah as he was walking towards the store yeah as he was walking towards the store yeah as he was walking towards the store I thought he made it up to entertain us I thought he made it up to entertain us I thought he made it up to entertain us but because I swear it was real I but because I swear it was real I but because I swear it was real I thought he he just made it up you you're thought he he just made it up you you're thought he he just made it up you you're probably not supposed to drive with this probably not supposed to drive with this probably not supposed to drive with this thing on no I would think so yeah although I don't know if it's so yeah although I don't know if it's says it explicitly but I'm says it explicitly but I'm says it explicitly but I'm sure the beginning of another thing sure the beginning of another thing sure the beginning of another thing because oh yeah yeah I me we already got because oh yeah yeah I me we already got because oh yeah yeah I me we already got all those idiots driving and texting now all those idiots driving and texting now all those idiots driving and texting now they're going to be driving and watching they're going to be driving and watching they're going to be driving and watching Netflix yeah well at least they're Netflix yeah well at least they're Netflix yeah well at least they're looking forward they're not looking down looking forward they're not looking down looking forward they're not looking down yeah the Netflix screen apparently the yeah the Netflix screen apparently the yeah the Netflix screen apparently the Netflix screen can be pretty big that's Netflix screen can be pretty big that's Netflix screen can be pretty big that's true yeah they're watching Netflix like true yeah they're watching Netflix like true yeah they're watching Netflix like this while they're driving oh the tus

this while they're driving oh the tus this while they're driving oh the tus Tesla is self-driving so it's it's chaos Tesla is self-driving so it's it's chaos Tesla is self-driving so it's it's chaos it's yeah well thank goodness I live in it's yeah well thank goodness I live in it's yeah well thank goodness I live in Texas where every you know driving is Texas where every you know driving is Texas where every you know driving is sane everything is perfect yeah there sane everything is perfect yeah there sane everything is perfect yeah there you go where are you Pete I never asked you go where are you Pete I never asked you go where are you Pete I never asked you that I'm in beliew Washington I'm up you that I'm in beliew Washington I'm up you that I'm in beliew Washington I'm up here next to oh yeah that's right you're here next to oh yeah that's right you're here next to oh yeah that's right you're you're in Washington yes I haven't seen you're in Washington yes I haven't seen you're in Washington yes I haven't seen anyone D I haven't I was at the pro club anyone D I haven't I was at the pro club anyone D I haven't I was at the pro club last night you know which is kind of last night you know which is kind of last night you know which is kind of Ground Zero for every rivan and Tesla in Ground Zero for every rivan and Tesla in Ground Zero for every rivan and Tesla in the world up here and I haven't seen the world up here and I haven't seen the world up here and I haven't seen anyone with Vision Pro walking around anyone with Vision Pro walking around anyone with Vision Pro walking around the pro club yet but I'm sure I will so the pro club yet but I'm sure I will so the pro club yet but I'm sure I will so you you live right in bellev yeah yeah I you you live right in bellev yeah yeah I you you live right in bellev yeah yeah I love that City I spend so much time love that City I spend so much time love that City I spend so much time there um with T-Mobile with T-Mobile and there um with T-Mobile with T-Mobile and there um with T-Mobile with T-Mobile and even when I went to Redmond to c&t I even when I went to Redmond to c&t I even when I went to Redmond to c&t I still like to stay in still like to stay in still like to stay in Belle lot of new buildings here a lot of Belle lot of new buildings here a lot of Belle lot of new buildings here a lot of new construction uh great restaurants new construction uh great restaurants new construction uh great restaurants there were some restaurants that I just there were some restaurants that I just there were some restaurants that I just could I mean I would just go back again could I mean I would just go back again could I mean I would just go back again and again yeah yeah no it's it's a it's and again yeah yeah no it's it's a it's and again yeah yeah no it's it's a it's a neat area so and it just keeps a neat area so and it just keeps a neat area so and it just keeps expanding and growing so hopefully expanding and growing so hopefully expanding and growing so hopefully traffic keeps up but we'll see traffic keeps up but we'll see traffic keeps up but we'll see but yeah I haven't seen any uh haven't but yeah I haven't seen any uh haven't but yeah I haven't seen any uh haven't seen any Vision Pros in the wild yet seen any Vision Pros in the wild yet seen any Vision Pros in the wild yet here but I'm going hit Microsoft campus here but I'm going hit Microsoft campus here but I'm going hit Microsoft campus later today I'll probably see a couple later today I'll probably see a couple later today I'll probably see a couple people walking around I I I could people walking around I I I could people walking around I I I could probably try to be stupid and do that probably try to be stupid and do that probably try to be stupid and do that but you know I mean this is really uh in but you know I mean this is really uh in but you know I mean this is really uh in my opinion an indoor device I mean I I my opinion an indoor device I mean I I my opinion an indoor device I mean I I don't know any good reason to wear this

don't know any good reason to wear this don't know any good reason to wear this outside I think that's really where the outside I think that's really where the outside I think that's really where the ubiquity of the smart phone has its ubiquity of the smart phone has its ubiquity of the smart phone has its value and so I think you learn a lot of value and so I think you learn a lot of value and so I think you learn a lot of things about you know things about you know things about you know um the existing devices with devices um the existing devices with devices um the existing devices with devices like this right especially when you like this right especially when you like this right especially when you think about how people talk about this think about how people talk about this think about how people talk about this device most people are pining about it device most people are pining about it device most people are pining about it without even having a unit and maybe without even having a unit and maybe without even having a unit and maybe they they were one of the few analyst they they were one of the few analyst they they were one of the few analyst for media who tinkered with it for 30 for media who tinkered with it for 30 for media who tinkered with it for 30 minutes you have to you have to I mean minutes you have to you have to I mean minutes you have to you have to I mean honestly to really understand this honestly to really understand this honestly to really understand this device or get a feel for it you need to device or get a feel for it you need to device or get a feel for it you need to have worn it for at least 6 hours doing have worn it for at least 6 hours doing have worn it for at least 6 hours doing things you know and exploring have a things you know and exploring have a things you know and exploring have a critical mind you know having critical mind you know having critical mind you know having understanding how UI work how the understanding how UI work how the understanding how UI work how the technology underlying technology Works technology underlying technology Works technology underlying technology Works to get a good feel for what it is that to get a good feel for what it is that to get a good feel for what it is that Apple's actually put together here right Apple's actually put together here right Apple's actually put together here right uh because you know this simple thing uh because you know this simple thing uh because you know this simple thing right here is incredible it it it's right here is incredible it it it's right here is incredible it it it's really really tough to do what they have really really tough to do what they have really really tough to do what they have done and their whole angle on reality done and their whole angle on reality done and their whole angle on reality you know not virtual but reality the you know not virtual but reality the you know not virtual but reality the this is you know the reason why they this is you know the reason why they this is you know the reason why they have this incredible screen is not so have this incredible screen is not so have this incredible screen is not so that they can render that they can render that they can render Roblox quality you know resolution and Roblox quality you know resolution and Roblox quality you know resolution and experiences to you they're trying to experiences to you they're trying to experiences to you they're trying to convey reality like you know our convey reality like you know our convey reality like you know our surroundings uh you know the Our Lives surroundings uh you know the Our Lives surroundings uh you know the Our Lives you know and so um the spatial oh man you know and so um the spatial oh man you know and so um the spatial oh man you guys got to check out the spatial um you guys got to check out the spatial um you guys got to check out the spatial um video and photos it's like literally

video and photos it's like literally video and photos it's like literally when they they show up in front of of when they they show up in front of of when they they show up in front of of you it it looks like a portal into the you it it looks like a portal into the you it it looks like a portal into the past you know I I call them windows into past you know I I call them windows into past you know I I call them windows into the past because you know you can walk the past because you know you can walk the past because you know you can walk around and around and around and um and get closer to the photo maybe a um and get closer to the photo maybe a um and get closer to the photo maybe a little To the Left Right The Parallax is little To the Left Right The Parallax is little To the Left Right The Parallax is a little bit you know annoying because a little bit you know annoying because a little bit you know annoying because uh it kind of has that VR 180 kind of um uh it kind of has that VR 180 kind of um uh it kind of has that VR 180 kind of um you know I thought Apple would do better on know I thought Apple would do better on that but that but that but um that sensation and feeling that you um that sensation and feeling that you um that sensation and feeling that you could reach out and touch your kid do could reach out and touch your kid do could reach out and touch your kid do you know what I'm saying I mean these you know what I'm saying I mean these you know what I'm saying I mean these things are going to be Priceless for me things are going to be Priceless for me things are going to be Priceless for me you know I have young you know I have young you know I have young children um two years down the line when children um two years down the line when children um two years down the line when they're bigger you know um and even when they're bigger you know um and even when they're bigger you know um and even when I look at pictures of my son uh when he I look at pictures of my son uh when he I look at pictures of my son uh when he was a baby I wish I had spal video it's was a baby I wish I had spal video it's was a baby I wish I had spal video it's like the ultimate fomo and then now like the ultimate fomo and then now like the ultimate fomo and then now here's the other thing I realized just here's the other thing I realized just here's the other thing I realized just as morning as morning as morning morning um 4K all of a sudden is morning um 4K all of a sudden is morning um 4K all of a sudden is valuable probably true because what you valuable probably true because what you valuable probably true because what you experience in terms of the Fidelity with experience in terms of the Fidelity with experience in terms of the Fidelity with these glasses is so off to these glasses is so off to these glasses is so off to charts um and immersive I I will now charts um and immersive I I will now charts um and immersive I I will now start taking 4K spatial video everything start taking 4K spatial video everything start taking 4K spatial video everything at the highest resolution because what at the highest resolution because what at the highest resolution because what you experience through these classes are you experience through these classes are you experience through these classes are like nothing you will experience on a on

like nothing you will experience on a on like nothing you will experience on a on a large screen and I mean you know I a large screen and I mean you know I a large screen and I mean you know I think a lot of people were making fun of think a lot of people were making fun of think a lot of people were making fun of Apple when I think tin cook got up and Apple when I think tin cook got up and Apple when I think tin cook got up and say well you know it's going to replace say well you know it's going to replace say well you know it's going to replace uh television uh television uh television screens and that's actually not a joke screens and that's actually not a joke screens and that's actually not a joke you'll never see screens this big in you'll never see screens this big in you'll never see screens this big in your in your life and if you want a your in your life and if you want a your in your life and if you want a screen this big um you're going to pay screen this big um you're going to pay screen this big um you're going to pay 10,000 bucks for that screen you know 10,000 bucks for that screen you know 10,000 bucks for that screen you know one of the latest OLED uh displays one of the latest OLED uh displays one of the latest OLED uh displays translucent yeah translucent or whatever translucent yeah translucent or whatever translucent yeah translucent or whatever the the thing is is this is that whole the the thing is is this is that whole the the thing is is this is that whole first step I mean think if you think first step I mean think if you think first step I mean think if you think about all the people who about all the people who about all the people who are I mean live in tiny apartments or are I mean live in tiny apartments or are I mean live in tiny apartments or you know what I'm saying it's you know you know what I'm saying it's you know you know what I'm saying it's you know people assume that they're as rich as people assume that they're as rich as people assume that they're as rich as they are and richer no most people are they are and richer no most people are they are and richer no most people are poor you know and actually 3,500 bucks poor you know and actually 3,500 bucks poor you know and actually 3,500 bucks for a computer you know a um I wouldn't for a computer you know a um I wouldn't for a computer you know a um I wouldn't call it a primary Computing device I call it a primary Computing device I call it a primary Computing device I think it's something that you'll put on think it's something that you'll put on think it's something that you'll put on um occasionally right it's not going to um occasionally right it's not going to um occasionally right it's not going to replace your PC it's not going to replace your PC it's not going to replace your PC it's not going to replace your Mac it's not going to replace your Mac it's not going to replace your Mac it's not going to replace your smartphone okay anyone who replace your smartphone okay anyone who replace your smartphone okay anyone who says that and makes arguments that this says that and makes arguments that this says that and makes arguments that this thing sucks because of it is number one thing sucks because of it is number one thing sucks because of it is number one has a ear you know unrealistic standard has a ear you know unrealistic standard has a ear you know unrealistic standard it it's just non they are nonsense right it it's just non they are nonsense right it it's just non they are nonsense right and so by that standard you're listening

and so by that standard you're listening and so by that standard you're listening to at somebody who just is talking to at somebody who just is talking to at somebody who just is talking basically trash the reality is that this basically trash the reality is that this basically trash the reality is that this is this thing it should not be measured is this thing it should not be measured is this thing it should not be measured by how it's going to replace the by how it's going to replace the by how it's going to replace the smartphone or um the television even smartphone or um the television even smartphone or um the television even right but it's going to Pro um it right but it's going to Pro um it right but it's going to Pro um it provides that premium experience that provides that premium experience that provides that premium experience that man I'm telling you unless you've tried man I'm telling you unless you've tried man I'm telling you unless you've tried it you really don't have anything to say it you really don't have anything to say it you really don't have anything to say about this thing you know what saying um about this thing you know what saying um about this thing you know what saying um and Mak tempting case I feel like I and Mak tempting case I feel like I and Mak tempting case I feel like I should head over to the Apple Store and should head over to the Apple Store and should head over to the Apple Store and no dude we get the iot copy talk discount branded you know we should discount branded you know we should incorporate we might be able to get a incorporate we might be able to get a incorporate we might be able to get a apple discount yeah if you pay monthly apple discount yeah if you pay monthly apple discount yeah if you pay monthly installments it's not that installments it's not that installments it's not that expensive yeah you put on your Apple expensive yeah you put on your Apple expensive yeah you put on your Apple card no interest you know P it on card no interest you know P it on card no interest you know P it on monthly installments and and use it a monthly installments and and use it a monthly installments and and use it a lot and then you feel like it's we lost lot and then you feel like it's we lost lot and then you feel like it's we lost Steve by the way he'll be back we didn't Steve by the way he'll be back we didn't Steve by the way he'll be back we didn't completely he's going to the totally completely he's going to the totally completely he's going to the totally cool you're right leard I think he's cool you're right leard I think he's cool you're right leard I think he's putting his iot Coffee Talk shirt on putting his iot Coffee Talk shirt on putting his iot Coffee Talk shirt on yeah oh yeah there you go yeah oh yeah there you go yeah oh yeah there you go yeah oh my God got a blue one aome yeah oh my God got a blue one aome yeah oh my God got a blue one aome that's a nice blue one is that gray or that's a nice blue one is that gray or that's a nice blue one is that gray or blue blue last week bright blue well blue blue last week bright blue well blue blue last week bright blue well last week you had a gray shirt on it last week you had a gray shirt on it last week you had a gray shirt on it looked blue to us you know so we yeah

looked blue to us you know so we yeah looked blue to us you know so we yeah it's this is the one that I thought it it's this is the one that I thought it it's this is the one that I thought it wouldn't look good the color is just too wouldn't look good the color is just too wouldn't look good the color is just too bright but it's okay that's okay it's bright but it's okay that's okay it's bright but it's okay that's okay it's great yeah I mean you know hey guys if great yeah I mean you know hey guys if great yeah I mean you know hey guys if you have a chance to check it out check you have a chance to check it out check you have a chance to check it out check it out um yeah definitely I definitely it out um yeah definitely I definitely it out um yeah definitely I definitely will I you know I'm thinking about it will I you know I'm thinking about it will I you know I'm thinking about it I'm I'm all in on you know multiscreen I'm I'm all in on you know multiscreen I'm I'm all in on you know multiscreen experiences with my ultra 2 watch and my experiences with my ultra 2 watch and my experiences with my ultra 2 watch and my phone and my laptop and so this seems phone and my laptop and so this seems phone and my laptop and so this seems like a natural extension to that it is a like a natural extension to that it is a like a natural extension to that it is a little pricey I have talked about it little pricey I have talked about it little pricey I have talked about it with my wife and you know I think we'd with my wife and you know I think we'd with my wife and you know I think we'd have to buy two to be fair and so then have to buy two to be fair and so then have to buy two to be fair and so then twice as expensive so I don't know it's twice as expensive so I don't know it's twice as expensive so I don't know it's hard to swap back and forth with one two hard to swap back and forth with one two hard to swap back and forth with one two people with one device right because people with one device right because people with one device right because You' got the fitting of the light Shield You' got the fitting of the light Shield You' got the fitting of the light Shield I have prescription glasses I mean it's I have prescription glasses I mean it's I have prescription glasses I mean it's a onep person device right it's not a onep person device right it's not a onep person device right it's not really no not really I mean it depends really no not really I mean it depends really no not really I mean it depends um like my wife um she wants to use it um like my wife um she wants to use it um like my wife um she wants to use it to watch movies but we have like a mass to watch movies but we have like a mass to watch movies but we have like a mass one of those massage chairs that you see one of those massage chairs that you see one of those massage chairs that you see at Costco you know like the human touch at Costco you know like the human touch at Costco you know like the human touch things and she just wants to use it when things and she just wants to use it when things and she just wants to use it when she's on there and because they have she's on there and because they have she's on there and because they have these really cool uh meditation apps and these really cool uh meditation apps and these really cool uh meditation apps and stuff like that that's right yeah stuff like that that's right yeah stuff like that that's right yeah mindfulness apps yeah yeah yeah um and mindfulness apps yeah yeah yeah um and mindfulness apps yeah yeah yeah um and then um I think there she can use it then um I think there she can use it then um I think there she can use it without adjustments too many adjustments without adjustments too many adjustments without adjustments too many adjustments and stuff even though it's it's fitt and stuff even though it's it's fitt and stuff even though it's it's fitt your face it's not your face it's not your face it's not comfortable um so we are going to get comfortable um so we are going to get comfortable um so we are going to get her the light seal oh yeah that's true her the light seal oh yeah that's true her the light seal oh yeah that's true your own light seal yeah and then she

your own light seal yeah and then she your own light seal yeah and then she she wears contacts with it but we're she wears contacts with it but we're she wears contacts with it but we're going to get her inserts as well um yeah going to get her inserts as well um yeah going to get her inserts as well um yeah and yeah hey you know this is not for and yeah hey you know this is not for and yeah hey you know this is not for everybody you know it boils down to can everybody you know it boils down to can everybody you know it boils down to can you can you afford it if you if you you can you afford it if you if you you can you afford it if you if you can't afford it guess what it's not for can't afford it guess what it's not for can't afford it guess what it's not for you that that and you know what they you that that and you know what they you that that and you know what they didn't they didn't Design This build didn't they didn't Design This build didn't they didn't Design This build this for everyone so I mean seriously this for everyone so I mean seriously this for everyone so I mean seriously stop whining you know these people oh stop whining you know these people oh stop whining you know these people oh it's too expensive well it's not for you it's too expensive well it's not for you it's too expensive well it's not for you don't buy it if you can't afford it don't buy it if you can't afford it don't buy it if you can't afford it it's you know yeah it's look out a few it's you know yeah it's look out a few it's you know yeah it's look out a few years it'll be sub 2,000 bucks in a few years it'll be sub 2,000 bucks in a few years it'll be sub 2,000 bucks in a few years and right right but but what I years and right right but but what I years and right right but but what I don't understand is how you know some of don't understand is how you know some of don't understand is how you know some of these folks vilify the price it's like these folks vilify the price it's like these folks vilify the price it's like you know how how tough it is to build you know how how tough it is to build you know how how tough it is to build something like this how expensive micro something like this how expensive micro something like this how expensive micro OLED itself probably OLED itself probably OLED itself probably cost portion of the bomb yeah and so cost portion of the bomb yeah and so cost portion of the bomb yeah and so there these folks who don't understand there these folks who don't understand there these folks who don't understand the price of the components and how the price of the components and how the price of the components and how difficult it is to engineer something difficult it is to engineer something difficult it is to engineer something like this that make comments like that like this that make comments like that like this that make comments like that but I think you'll see more and more but I think you'll see more and more but I think you'll see more and more popular culture references to it I mean popular culture references to it I mean popular culture references to it I mean these little memes about people driving these little memes about people driving these little memes about people driving with it whatever it's it's going to it's with it whatever it's it's going to it's with it whatever it's it's going to it's going to be imbued in the culture yeah going to be imbued in the culture yeah going to be imbued in the culture yeah and and and that's something that Apple and and and that's something that Apple and and and that's something that Apple does really well I'm sure they'll you'll does really well I'm sure they'll you'll does really well I'm sure they'll you'll see you know celebrities using it and see you know celebrities using it and see you know celebrities using it and you'll see it'll just be out there it'll you'll see it'll just be out there it'll you'll see it'll just be out there it'll be aspirational thing for people to want be aspirational thing for people to want be aspirational thing for people to want use and try so the long-term thing is

use and try so the long-term thing is use and try so the long-term thing is like what's the long-term engagement you like what's the long-term engagement you like what's the long-term engagement you know beyond the first 30 days how often know beyond the first 30 days how often know beyond the first 30 days how often is it really is it people going to build is it really is it people going to build is it really is it people going to build habits to use it or is it just going to habits to use it or is it just going to habits to use it or is it just going to be I'm using this for the first 30 days be I'm using this for the first 30 days be I'm using this for the first 30 days it's really cool so that'll be the real it's really cool so that'll be the real it's really cool so that'll be the real test for it I think people will keep test for it I think people will keep test for it I think people will keep using it that is that's kind of that using it that is that's kind of that using it that is that's kind of that there's always that thing of like you there's always that thing of like you there's always that thing of like you buy it you get out of the box it's buy it you get out of the box it's buy it you get out of the box it's awesome how much are using it a month or awesome how much are using it a month or awesome how much are using it a month or two later no my you know what um when I two later no my you know what um when I two later no my you know what um when I had I I um I tested the um Oculus uh had I I um I tested the um Oculus uh had I I um I tested the um Oculus uh Quest Quest Quest 3 3 3 and I I had to force myself to use it and I I had to force myself to use it and I I had to force myself to use it and you know the games are cool but you and you know the games are cool but you and you know the games are cool but you know the thing is is it this goes to the know the thing is is it this goes to the know the thing is is it this goes to the point of why this device is point of why this device is point of why this device is different ocul the in the Oculus different ocul the in the Oculus different ocul the in the Oculus anything that was real right whether anything that was real right whether anything that was real right whether it's VR um 180 stuff the immersive uh it's VR um 180 stuff the immersive uh it's VR um 180 stuff the immersive uh content anything that represents reality content anything that represents reality content anything that represents reality look grainy look terrible okay in fact look grainy look terrible okay in fact look grainy look terrible okay in fact movies themselves didn't look all that movies themselves didn't look all that movies themselves didn't look all that great so anything that represented life great so anything that represented life great so anything that represented life with the infinite Fidelity that we view with the infinite Fidelity that we view with the infinite Fidelity that we view it and experience with it's actually it and experience with it's actually it and experience with it's actually terrible at it what it's really good at terrible at it what it's really good at terrible at it what it's really good at are games you know and and so all the are games you know and and so all the are games you know and and so all the fake stuff and so when you go and you fake stuff and so when you go and you fake stuff and so when you go and you experience the first thing they try to experience the first thing they try to experience the first thing they try to impress upon you impress upon you impress upon you is uh these Virtual Worlds that are just is uh these Virtual Worlds that are just is uh these Virtual Worlds that are just it's like why am I here this is it's like why am I here this is it's like why am I here this is this number one looks terrible it's kind this number one looks terrible it's kind this number one looks terrible it's kind of stupid um what what Apple does is you

of stupid um what what Apple does is you of stupid um what what Apple does is you know you probably heard about that know you probably heard about that know you probably heard about that dinosaur app right mhm um that thing is dinosaur app right mhm um that thing is dinosaur app right mhm um that thing is ridiculous you literally feel like ridiculous you literally feel like ridiculous you literally feel like you're there and the videos that you see you're there and the videos that you see you're there and the videos that you see don't do it justice because they're I don't do it justice because they're I don't do it justice because they're I think at a 30 um 30 frames per second um think at a 30 um 30 frames per second um think at a 30 um 30 frames per second um frame rate and so you see the jittery frame rate and so you see the jittery frame rate and so you see the jittery thing and then you know it's not as thing and then you know it's not as thing and then you know it's not as sharp as what you actually experience sharp as what you actually experience sharp as what you actually experience I was shocked because this you know the I was shocked because this you know the I was shocked because this you know the frame rate is 90 and you know literally frame rate is 90 and you know literally frame rate is 90 and you know literally um it looks like the dinosaur is um it looks like the dinosaur is um it looks like the dinosaur is actually in the room so yeah it's unre actually in the room so yeah it's unre actually in the room so yeah it's unre under represented actually across medium under represented actually across medium under represented actually across medium what you've seen in 2D formats yeah I what you've seen in 2D formats yeah I what you've seen in 2D formats yeah I think also you're going to see you're think also you're going to see you're think also you're going to see you're going to see a lot of companies I'm sure going to see a lot of companies I'm sure going to see a lot of companies I'm sure Enterprises right now are all Enterprises right now are all Enterprises right now are all experimenting with the platform and you experimenting with the platform and you experimenting with the platform and you just like the iPad made its way quickly just like the iPad made its way quickly just like the iPad made its way quickly into yeah commercial businesses for into yeah commercial businesses for into yeah commercial businesses for various applications I think you're various applications I think you're various applications I think you're going to see this thing people are going going to see this thing people are going going to see this thing people are going to start figuring out ways to use it too to start figuring out ways to use it too to start figuring out ways to use it too in the commercial business so yeah and in the commercial business so yeah and in the commercial business so yeah and then the the environment the the other then the the environment the the other then the the environment the the other things that they impress upon you are things that they impress upon you are things that they impress upon you are the environments and um the one with Y the environments and um the one with Y the environments and um the one with Y and Yus I mean man it's it feels like and Yus I mean man it's it feels like and Yus I mean man it's it feels like you're sitting the only thing that's you're sitting the only thing that's you're sitting the only thing that's missing is missing is missing is cold the sensation of cold sight sound cold the sensation of cold sight sound cold the sensation of cold sight sound everything else is there the only thing everything else is there the only thing everything else is there the only thing is you don't feel cold because it's like is you don't feel cold because it's like is you don't feel cold because it's like a snowscape right the thing is though if a snowscape right the thing is though if a snowscape right the thing is though if I'm on my if I'm on the beach at Cape I'm on my if I'm on the beach at Cape I'm on my if I'm on the beach at Cape Cod this summer and I'm wearing this

Cod this summer and I'm wearing this Cod this summer and I'm wearing this thing and I'm sitting there facing the thing and I'm sitting there facing the thing and I'm sitting there facing the ocean can I put an environment that says ocean can I put an environment that says ocean can I put an environment that says I'm on the mountain and is that okay I'm on the mountain and is that okay I'm on the mountain and is that okay or's what happens or's what happens or's what happens there yeah someone come up to me and say there yeah someone come up to me and say there yeah someone come up to me and say what are you doing yeah yeah what are you doing yeah yeah what are you doing yeah yeah yeah theity and all these other yeah theity and all these other yeah theity and all these other environments are amazing for environments are amazing for environments are amazing for mindfulness yeah I mean it it for me mindfulness yeah I mean it it for me mindfulness yeah I mean it it for me it's just when you when you mentioned it it's just when you when you mentioned it it's just when you when you mentioned it just for a few seconds I was transposed just for a few seconds I was transposed just for a few seconds I was transposed in the Yos and I've only been there in the Yos and I've only been there in the Yos and I've only been there once yeah what about like downtown Tokyo once yeah what about like downtown Tokyo once yeah what about like downtown Tokyo what about what about what about rungi yes that would be yes yes and I rungi yes that would be yes yes and I rungi yes that would be yes yes and I was thinking about you know this summer was thinking about you know this summer was thinking about you know this summer coming right um not too far away using coming right um not too far away using coming right um not too far away using it at the beach to watch it at the beach to watch it at the beach to watch movies yeah I you know honestly movies yeah I you know honestly movies yeah I you know honestly um I don't know I I don't think the um I don't know I I don't think the um I don't know I I don't think the killer not an outdoor thing scenario for killer not an outdoor thing scenario for killer not an outdoor thing scenario for using this thing is when you're out in using this thing is when you're out in using this thing is when you're out in reality so there's a lot of saying oh reality so there's a lot of saying oh reality so there's a lot of saying oh you know this is going to this going to you know this is going to this going to you know this is going to this going to get people to detach from reality it's get people to detach from reality it's get people to detach from reality it's like like like no I don't think so you're not going to no I don't think so you're not going to no I don't think so you're not going to see people going to the Grand Canyon see people going to the Grand Canyon see people going to the Grand Canyon staring out in the in the into the staring out in the in the into the staring out in the in the into the canyon with these things on you canyon with these things on you canyon with these things on you we take our sunglasses off right when we we take our sunglasses off right when we we take our sunglasses off right when we go to something like that and so um I go to something like that and so um I go to something like that and so um I don't think again I think most people

don't think again I think most people don't think again I think most people are going to use this thing for maybe are going to use this thing for maybe are going to use this thing for maybe two hours a day max right right um two hours a day max right right um two hours a day max right right um they're going to use it for certain they're going to use it for certain they're going to use it for certain things that things that things that are absolutely that no other device can are absolutely that no other device can are absolutely that no other device can do okay and it's going to be valuable do okay and it's going to be valuable do okay and it's going to be valuable it's going to be reality based all this it's going to be reality based all this it's going to be reality based all this virtual crap you know some guy going virtual crap you know some guy going virtual crap you know some guy going well this this is only for a niche well this this is only for a niche well this this is only for a niche amount of people number of people amount of people number of people amount of people number of people because it doesn't support gaming it's because it doesn't support gaming it's because it doesn't support gaming it's like look wait a minute how can you have like look wait a minute how can you have like look wait a minute how can you have covered this industry so long and not covered this industry so long and not covered this industry so long and not realize that gaming is realize that gaming is realize that gaming is not the compelling app how you know not the compelling app how you know not the compelling app how you know you've been watching this industry for you've been watching this industry for you've been watching this industry for 10 years and you don't realize gaming is 10 years and you don't realize gaming is 10 years and you don't realize gaming is the thing even amongst Gamers I not the thing even amongst Gamers I not the thing even amongst Gamers I not jokingly but I stated even among Gamers jokingly but I stated even among Gamers jokingly but I stated even among Gamers VR is VR is VR is Niche right what not Niche is our lives Niche right what not Niche is our lives Niche right what not Niche is our lives that's the thing that Apple tuned that's the thing that Apple tuned that's the thing that Apple tuned into that none of these XR people and I into that none of these XR people and I into that none of these XR people and I I talk to them all the time they don't I talk to them all the time they don't I talk to them all the time they don't get it they don't get get it they don't get get it they don't get it you know what I'm saying but that's it you know what I'm saying but that's it you know what I'm saying but that's the only thing that really matters to the only thing that really matters to the only thing that really matters to most of us you know Grandpa's not going most of us you know Grandpa's not going most of us you know Grandpa's not going to sit there and play freaking to sit there and play freaking to sit there and play freaking Roblox right what they're going to do is Roblox right what they're going to do is Roblox right what they're going to do is they're going to watch spal video of they're going to watch spal video of they're going to watch spal video of their kids their kids and their their kids their kids and their their kids their kids and their grandchildren we'll probably play like grandchildren we'll probably play like grandchildren we'll probably play like Spades or peanuckle or something yeah yeah so like knuckle but how stupid

yeah yeah so like knuckle but how stupid do I look that's really what I want no do I look that's really what I want no do I look that's really what I want no you don't well you don't and the I know you don't well you don't and the I know you don't well you don't and the I know the Avatar looks better you mean that the Avatar looks better you mean that the Avatar looks better you mean that how dumb do I look right now you know so question on your glasses pretty know so question on your glasses pretty high pretty high on the stupid scale high pretty high on the stupid scale high pretty high on the stupid scale yeah I'm trying to I'm trying to find yeah I'm trying to I'm trying to find yeah I'm trying to I'm trying to find the button to hide your the one where the button to hide your the one where the button to hide your the one where you don't wear the thing where you wear you don't wear the thing where you wear you don't wear the thing where you wear the thing so and just keep the thing so and just keep the thing so and just keep thep oh man this is gonna be really thep oh man this is gonna be really thep oh man this is gonna be really weird so Leonard you have different weird so Leonard you have different weird so Leonard you have different glasses on in this do you have different glasses on in this do you have different glasses on in this do you have different glasses on glasses on glasses on underneath uh do I have no I have underneath uh do I have no I have underneath uh do I have no I have nothing on underneath that it shows you nothing on underneath that it shows you nothing on underneath that it shows you having glasses on shows you having having glasses on shows you having having glasses on shows you having glasses otherwise people recognize me glasses otherwise people recognize me glasses otherwise people recognize me Steve come on well it's a different it's Steve come on well it's a different it's Steve come on well it's a different it's a different set of glasses than like you a different set of glasses than like you a different set of glasses than like you had last week that's why I was asking had last week that's why I was asking had last week that's why I was asking hey Mark what's up man uh yeah no these hey Mark what's up man uh yeah no these hey Mark what's up man uh yeah no these are you it's like an avatar right when are you it's like an avatar right when are you it's like an avatar right when you set up an avatar you can select you set up an avatar you can select you set up an avatar you can select different styles of glasses but you know different styles of glasses but you know different styles of glasses but you know what it's weird they look a hell of a what it's weird they look a hell of a what it's weird they look a hell of a lot better here than they do when you do lot better here than they do when you do lot better here than they do when you do the setup and the setup they just look the setup and the setup they just look the setup and the setup they just look like these little frames that are like these little frames that are like these little frames that are floating in front of your face here they floating in front of your face here they floating in front of your face here they actually look like glasses yeah no they actually look like glasses yeah no they actually look like glasses yeah no they look look look the pretty cool it's it's quite the pretty cool it's it's quite the pretty cool it's it's quite amazing amazing amazing yeah Mar's got the uh the poor man's yeah Mar's got the uh the poor man's yeah Mar's got the uh the poor man's version yeah I know did you see my video version yeah I know did you see my video version yeah I know did you see my video the little video that I did of the

the little video that I did of the the little video that I did of the inserts I saw that I thought that was inserts I saw that I thought that was inserts I saw that I thought that was funny I was it was so pathetic you know funny I was it was so pathetic you know funny I was it was so pathetic you know I I felt so bad because at that Mo at I I felt so bad because at that Mo at I I felt so bad because at that Mo at that time that was the only thing that I that time that was the only thing that I that time that was the only thing that I received I received the received I received the received I received the inserts I didn't have this so um but um inserts I didn't have this so um but um inserts I didn't have this so um but um well huh yeah I was going to say it's well huh yeah I was going to say it's well huh yeah I was going to say it's it's been quite the buzz you know since it's been quite the buzz you know since it's been quite the buzz you know since people have gotten it in their hands people have gotten it in their hands people have gotten it in their hands it's kind of flooded the flooded the it's kind of flooded the flooded the it's kind of flooded the flooded the uh social media channels yeah and but uh social media channels yeah and but uh social media channels yeah and but you know I think where people are going you know I think where people are going you know I think where people are going to where this thing is going to S you to where this thing is going to S you to where this thing is going to S you know I'm telling you man when you go know I'm telling you man when you go know I'm telling you man when you go into the Apple Store and you see these into the Apple Store and you see these into the Apple Store and you see these people demo they don't demo people demo they don't demo people demo they don't demo games right they don't they're not games right they don't they're not games right they don't they're not buying this because of games buying this because of games buying this because of games right right um and you know it's funny I right right um and you know it's funny I right right um and you know it's funny I keep telling people this and they just keep telling people this and they just keep telling people this and they just don't believe it I like dude this but I don't believe it I like dude this but I don't believe it I like dude this but I think you you phras it you phras it very think you you phras it you phras it very think you you phras it you phras it very well it's a it's a different objective well it's a it's a different objective well it's a it's a different objective the whole objective of gaming is to the whole objective of gaming is to the whole objective of gaming is to immerse you into a non-existing world immerse you into a non-existing world immerse you into a non-existing world you know a totally recreated world this you know a totally recreated world this you know a totally recreated world this is more to integrate in the reality so is more to integrate in the reality so is more to integrate in the reality so it's a different it's a different it's a different it's a different it's a different it's a different approach to it yeah you can argue that approach to it yeah you can argue that approach to it yeah you can argue that the day you can do a game that totally the day you can do a game that totally the day you can do a game that totally Maps the reality all around you maybe Maps the reality all around you maybe Maps the reality all around you maybe there will be a new category of there will be a new category of there will be a new category of games but uh but they going to need games but uh but they going to need games but uh but they going to need still more computing power I mean yeah still more computing power I mean yeah still more computing power I mean yeah you if you can watch a [ __ ] you know

you if you can watch a [ __ ] you know you if you can watch a [ __ ] you know and see somebody coming in and start and see somebody coming in and start and see somebody coming in and start fighting within you kind of Life yeah fighting within you kind of Life yeah fighting within you kind of Life yeah then you have a use case but it's much then you have a use case but it's much then you have a use case but it's much much more complicated because you can't much more complicated because you can't much more complicated because you can't alter the Environ so so yeah it's two alter the Environ so so yeah it's two alter the Environ so so yeah it's two different R case I do believe that yeah different R case I do believe that yeah different R case I do believe that yeah and uh I mean I think it and uh I mean I think it and uh I mean I think it um it it has like I mean since we're iot um it it has like I mean since we're iot um it it has like I mean since we're iot is kind of show I think it has is kind of show I think it has is kind of show I think it has implications on um on Industrial implications on um on Industrial implications on um on Industrial application front end not not the application front end not not the application front end not not the backend stuff right I mean um you're not backend stuff right I mean um you're not backend stuff right I mean um you're not going to see people walking around with going to see people walking around with going to see people walking around with this freaking thing on the factory floor this freaking thing on the factory floor this freaking thing on the factory floor it's like unless it's downtown palto or it's like unless it's downtown palto or it's like unless it's downtown palto or uh wond or Austin uh wond or Austin uh wond or Austin or Brooklyn uh yeah well about or Brooklyn uh yeah well about or Brooklyn uh yeah well about multitasking at work on your work desk I multitasking at work on your work desk I multitasking at work on your work desk I mean have you played with doing certain mean have you played with doing certain mean have you played with doing certain things there um and being able to yeah things there um and being able to yeah things there um and being able to yeah is that helpful from a work environment is that helpful from a work environment is that helpful from a work environment yeah um there's a learning curve there yeah um there's a learning curve there yeah um there's a learning curve there because it it is a because it it is a because it it is a new user new user new user interface the itracking by the way interface the itracking by the way interface the itracking by the way people it is just ridiculous so one you people it is just ridiculous so one you people it is just ridiculous so one you know one of the one of I mean when you know one of the one of I mean when you know one of the one of I mean when you go to Safari and you're going to your go to Safari and you're going to your go to Safari and you're going to your browsing websites those things are browsing websites those things are browsing websites those things are absolutely not optimized for absolutely not optimized for absolutely not optimized for this it still works you know like little this it still works you know like little this it still works you know like little buttons literally words hyperlinks you

buttons literally words hyperlinks you buttons literally words hyperlinks you can you can hone in on them h i i i mean can you can hone in on them h i i i mean can you can hone in on them h i i i mean accurately and so somebody you know um accurately and so somebody you know um accurately and so somebody you know um um a friend of mine from Ericson um made um a friend of mine from Ericson um made um a friend of mine from Ericson um made a post and then there were some comments a post and then there were some comments a post and then there were some comments on there some somebody was saying well on there some somebody was saying well on there some somebody was saying well you know um your eyes are going to get you know um your eyes are going to get you know um your eyes are going to get fatigued because anything that you want fatigued because anything that you want fatigued because anything that you want to control you have to look at and it's to control you have to look at and it's to control you have to look at and it's like is not what you do with point and like is not what you do with point and like is not what you do with point and click as well I mean do you use my eyes click as well I mean do you use my eyes click as well I mean do you use my eyes all day with your eyes closed or looking all day with your eyes closed or looking all day with your eyes closed or looking at something else and you think you can at something else and you think you can at something else and you think you can hit the target I mean like I don't get hit the target I mean like I don't get hit the target I mean like I don't get it what do you mean and then I I think it what do you mean and then I I think it what do you mean and then I I think again this goes back to people who have again this goes back to people who have again this goes back to people who have don't have the device haven't played don't have the device haven't played don't have the device haven't played with it talking like they actually know with it talking like they actually know with it talking like they actually know what this thing can do you know what you what this thing can do you know what you what this thing can do you know what you can do you can pinch and can do you can pinch and can do you can pinch and scroll and you can drag you can double scroll and you can drag you can double scroll and you can drag you can double pinch you can hard pinch you can hard pinch you can hard pinch does this sound familiar this pinch does this sound familiar this pinch does this sound familiar this sounds just like multi-touch and sounds just like multi-touch and sounds just like multi-touch and multi-touch came came out with these multi-touch came came out with these multi-touch came came out with these very basic gestures that changed the very basic gestures that changed the very basic gestures that changed the interface you know cuz we had touch interface you know cuz we had touch interface you know cuz we had touch screens before people don't realize it screens before people don't realize it screens before people don't realize it was multi-touch that changed everything was multi-touch that changed everything was multi-touch that changed everything thing and then they evolved thing and then they evolved thing and then they evolved it and then it became what it is today it and then it became what it is today it and then it became what it is today and um they're going to they're going to and um they're going to they're going to and um they're going to they're going to do this with the gesture and ey do this with the gesture and ey do this with the gesture and ey tracking and you know and I I I I put tracking and you know and I I I I put tracking and you know and I I I I put the post or a comment it's like you know

the post or a comment it's like you know the post or a comment it's like you know what you can I just realize you can what you can I just realize you can what you can I just realize you can look and and pinch faster than you can look and and pinch faster than you can look and and pinch faster than you can point and click so you can you know if you get click so you can you know if you get really fluid with this thing you can really fluid with this thing you can really fluid with this thing you can actually you can actually manipulate actually you can actually manipulate actually you can actually manipulate your um user your um user your um user interface um much faster than pointing interface um much faster than pointing interface um much faster than pointing and clicking yeah so Leonard right now and clicking yeah so Leonard right now and clicking yeah so Leonard right now with your uh headset on on one of the with your uh headset on on one of the with your uh headset on on one of the frames you're looking straight at at the frames you're looking straight at at the frames you're looking straight at at the front and then when you are on the front and then when you are on the front and then when you are on the Avatar you're looking a little further Avatar you're looking a little further Avatar you're looking a little further to the right yeah is there something on to the right yeah is there something on to the right yeah is there something on the screen that the screen that the screen that you're looking at or your head Point you're looking at or your head Point you're looking at or your head Point yeah what's your wor or North Point yeah yeah what's your wor or North Point yeah yeah what's your wor or North Point yeah my my okay so now I'm looking at you my my okay so now I'm looking at you my my okay so now I'm looking at you that at the um Zoom yeah the zoom window that at the um Zoom yeah the zoom window that at the um Zoom yeah the zoom window in my virtual space I see now I'm in my virtual space I see now I'm in my virtual space I see now I'm looking at you in the real space in my looking at you in the real space in my looking at you in the real space in my uh when you're looking at the zoom uh when you're looking at the zoom uh when you're looking at the zoom screen the virtualized zoom screen it's screen the virtualized zoom screen it's screen the virtualized zoom screen it's centering you on the camera yeah and so centering you on the camera yeah and so centering you on the camera yeah and so these are like these simple like crazy these are like these simple like crazy these are like these simple like crazy nuances that Apple has done I I think nuances that Apple has done I I think nuances that Apple has done I I think they largely go under appreciated they largely go under appreciated they largely go under appreciated because they're so subtle but in because they're so subtle but in because they're so subtle but in aggregate they create this aggregate they create this aggregate they create this insanely insanely insanely realistic again real experience not

realistic again real experience not realistic again real experience not virtual fake and simulated it it feels virtual fake and simulated it it feels virtual fake and simulated it it feels like you're it's just it Blends straight like you're it's just it Blends straight like you're it's just it Blends straight with your your environment the other with your your environment the other with your your environment the other thing is is that you know how like with thing is is that you know how like with thing is is that you know how like with the all these other VR headsets you have the all these other VR headsets you have the all these other VR headsets you have to set the boundaries in the room so you to set the boundaries in the room so you to set the boundaries in the room so you don't bump in the crap and then hit hit don't bump in the crap and then hit hit don't bump in the crap and then hit hit things this there is no setup for this things this there is no setup for this things this there is no setup for this thing it just knows where things are in thing it just knows where things are in thing it just knows where things are in your room so as you get let's say that your room so as you get let's say that your room so as you get let's say that you're in fully immersive mode right you're in fully immersive mode right you're in fully immersive mode right you're in one of the environments right you're in one of the environments right you're in one of the environments right you can walk around and if you're about you can walk around and if you're about you can walk around and if you're about to bump into something it warns you to bump into something it warns you to bump into something it warns you number one but number one but number one but then that element then comes in to view then that element then comes in to view then that element then comes in to view through through through the yeah just like the hollow deck you the yeah just like the hollow deck you the yeah just like the hollow deck you know in Star Trek how like they're know in Star Trek how like they're know in Star Trek how like they're goofing around the hollow deck and then goofing around the hollow deck and then goofing around the hollow deck and then you know peard or whoever sister comes you know peard or whoever sister comes you know peard or whoever sister comes in and says number one you know stop in and says number one you know stop in and says number one you know stop screwing around on the hollow deck you screwing around on the hollow deck you screwing around on the hollow deck you know we have fing you know know we have fing you know know we have fing you know um like right now it's saying move back um like right now it's saying move back um like right now it's saying move back you're too damn close close what to my you're too damn close close what to my you're too damn close close what to my monitor M so it knows where things are monitor M so it knows where things are monitor M so it knows where things are and then it intervenes it's all and then it intervenes it's all and then it intervenes it's all automatic there's no setup and again automatic there's no setup and again automatic there's no setup and again something that the lay person person is something that the lay person person is something that the lay person person is not going to appreciate but these are not going to appreciate but these are not going to appreciate but these are these these important nuances that are these these important nuances that are these these important nuances that are have been incorporated into this thing

have been incorporated into this thing have been incorporated into this thing and so you know if you ask the question and so you know if you ask the question and so you know if you ask the question well it's too expensive 3,500 bucks it's well it's too expensive 3,500 bucks it's well it's too expensive 3,500 bucks it's like name anything else out there that like name anything else out there that like name anything else out there that can do that for this for or can do that for this for or can do that for this for or 35 uh you know anyone else will have to 35 uh you know anyone else will have to 35 uh you know anyone else will have to probably charge $8,000 a unit you know probably charge $8,000 a unit you know probably charge $8,000 a unit you know so so so uh um you're wearing your so so so uh um you're wearing your so so so uh um you're wearing your antifa sweatshirt and headset on on antifa sweatshirt and headset on on antifa sweatshirt and headset on on there but you don't have a sweatshirt on there but you don't have a sweatshirt on there but you don't have a sweatshirt on the Avatar side is that a selectable the Avatar side is that a selectable the Avatar side is that a selectable thing no um actually the thing no um actually the thing no um actually the Avatar yeah it's like really Avatar yeah it's like really Avatar yeah it's like really funny it it it just takes a um it takes funny it it it just takes a um it takes funny it it it just takes a um it takes a u it models what you're you're wearing a u it models what you're you're wearing a u it models what you're you're wearing at the time you know oh I see not doing at the time you know oh I see not doing at the time you know oh I see not doing any kind can't change outfits there's no any kind can't change outfits there's no any kind can't change outfits there's no clothing selector yet or anything clothing selector yet or anything clothing selector yet or anything eventually I think um you know there's eventually I think um you know there's eventually I think um you know there's talk of the use of you know Apple's talk of the use of you know Apple's talk of the use of you know Apple's going to come with generative and all going to come with generative and all going to come with generative and all stuff they'll probably have a stuff they'll probably have a stuff they'll probably have a application that allows you to tweak application that allows you to tweak application that allows you to tweak your persona well the thing it's still a your persona well the thing it's still a your persona well the thing it's still a avatar so it's it's a copy when you did avatar so it's it's a copy when you did avatar so it's it's a copy when you did the setup if you grow a beard which will the setup if you grow a beard which will the setup if you grow a beard which will be interesting to be interesting to be interesting to test we we we we see you without a beard test we we we we see you without a beard test we we we we see you without a beard on the Avatar as well yeah yeah that on the Avatar as well yeah yeah that on the Avatar as well yeah yeah that right yeah just like you know I look right yeah just like you know I look right yeah just like you know I look like crap in real life and I look a like crap in real life and I look a like crap in real life and I look a little bit better with the Avatar I mean little bit better with the Avatar I mean little bit better with the Avatar I mean that's reality well that's the that's that's reality well that's the that's that's reality well that's the that's the thing I'm asking I don't think it's the thing I'm asking I don't think it's the thing I'm asking I don't think it's live it models you when you generate the live it models you when you generate the live it models you when you generate the Avatar and

Avatar and Avatar and then yeah yeah yeah I mean it's a then yeah yeah yeah I mean it's a then yeah yeah yeah I mean it's a snapshot so let's say that I keep this snapshot so let's say that I keep this snapshot so let's say that I keep this until I'm 90 years old right I thought until I'm 90 years old right I thought until I'm 90 years old right I thought we' be the same still be that and I'll we' be the same still be that and I'll we' be the same still be that and I'll be 90 years old I mean yeah it's it's be 90 years old I mean yeah it's it's be 90 years old I mean yeah it's it's not magic right but it's pretty damn not magic right but it's pretty damn not magic right but it's pretty damn awesome software engineering and awesome software engineering and awesome software engineering and everything else so what was the what was everything else so what was the what was everything else so what was the what was the Ula like not that I expected you to the Ula like not that I expected you to the Ula like not that I expected you to read the whole thing but what was the read the whole thing but what was the read the whole thing but what was the Ula or the terms and conditions like did Ula or the terms and conditions like did Ula or the terms and conditions like did you look through any of that you look through any of that you look through any of that or that's a good question no we got some or that's a good question no we got some or that's a good question no we got some prompts um prompts um prompts um uh I mean you know I think bottom line uh I mean you know I think bottom line uh I mean you know I think bottom line uh a lot of the user license agreements uh a lot of the user license agreements uh a lot of the user license agreements with anything apple is largely uh geared with anything apple is largely uh geared with anything apple is largely uh geared toward keeping things private and then toward keeping things private and then toward keeping things private and then warning you uh that there's certain warning you uh that there's certain warning you uh that there's certain third party very mild I think most of it third party very mild I think most of it third party very mild I think most of it has to do with the carriers things that has to do with the carriers things that has to do with the carriers things that are are are mandatory that you might have to that mandatory that you might have to that mandatory that you might have to that may be shared but it's not like they're may be shared but it's not like they're may be shared but it's not like they're going off and selling off your proxy going off and selling off your proxy going off and selling off your proxy somewhere you know what I'm saying I I somewhere you know what I'm saying I I somewhere you know what I'm saying I I mean all you know all about harvested mean all you know all about harvested mean all you know all about harvested for AI training purposes yeah yeah no for AI training purposes yeah yeah no for AI training purposes yeah yeah no they don't do any of that crap and then they don't do any of that crap and then they don't do any of that crap and then you're opting in the only thing where you're opting in the only thing where you're opting in the only thing where I've seen them do some goofy crap with I've seen them do some goofy crap with I've seen them do some goofy crap with the opt uh opt in thing uh default opt the opt uh opt in thing uh default opt the opt uh opt in thing uh default opt um uh you know opt out uh is uh what was

um uh you know opt out uh is uh what was um uh you know opt out uh is uh what was it anyways there was this one thing I I it anyways there was this one thing I I it anyways there was this one thing I I I I don't remember it because I don't I I don't remember it because I don't I I don't remember it because I don't have my smartphone with me right now I have my smartphone with me right now I have my smartphone with me right now I have this thing on but um have this thing on but um have this thing on but um yeah um cool I was just wondering if yeah um cool I was just wondering if yeah um cool I was just wondering if they if they said something about time they if they said something about time they if they said something about time limits or they said something about um limits or they said something about um limits or they said something about um you know you know you know uh vertigo or any kind of health related uh vertigo or any kind of health related uh vertigo or any kind of health related or me you know physical related things or me you know physical related things or me you know physical related things on the Ula I was just you know just no I on the Ula I was just you know just no I on the Ula I was just you know just no I mean I think it's just like General mean I think it's just like General mean I think it's just like General Health there's nothing that actually Health there's nothing that actually Health there's nothing that actually pops up that tells that warns you pops up that tells that warns you pops up that tells that warns you because you know obviously they're going because you know obviously they're going because you know obviously they're going to have to disclose things like that or to have to disclose things like that or to have to disclose things like that or they they they should there's nothing and number one should there's nothing and number one should there's nothing and number one you you don't really get sick one of the you you don't really get sick one of the you you don't really get sick one of the things that I don't I I'm kind of things that I don't I I'm kind of things that I don't I I'm kind of disappointed about is the pass through disappointed about is the pass through disappointed about is the pass through it's not as good as I thought it would it's not as good as I thought it would it's not as good as I thought it would be um you know there's a lot of people be um you know there's a lot of people be um you know there's a lot of people that have said oh no it's it's the best that have said oh no it's it's the best that have said oh no it's it's the best that it's like not good enough you know that it's like not good enough you know that it's like not good enough you know I mean I mean I mean um you see a lot of artifacts because um you see a lot of artifacts because um you see a lot of artifacts because this thing uses um uh fiated rendering this thing uses um uh fiated rendering this thing uses um uh fiated rendering right so what that is is everything in right so what that is is everything in right so what that is is everything in your periphery is a bit fuzzy and your periphery is a bit fuzzy and your periphery is a bit fuzzy and anything that's directly in your line of anything that's directly in your line of anything that's directly in your line of sight is full sight is full sight is full resolution it does a very good job with resolution it does a very good job with resolution it does a very good job with all the digital stuff um and all the digital stuff um and all the digital stuff um and you I me the ey tracking and the latency you I me the ey tracking and the latency you I me the ey tracking and the latency with what you know with the fiated with what you know with the fiated with what you know with the fiated rendering is just incredible but except

rendering is just incredible but except rendering is just incredible but except for the outside what comes to the camera for the outside what comes to the camera for the outside what comes to the camera there's a there is a delay especially there's a there is a delay especially there's a there is a delay especially when the the lighting conditions are not when the the lighting conditions are not when the the lighting conditions are not all that great and then you see this all that great and then you see this all that great and then you see this like ghost ghost uh effect and then you like ghost ghost uh effect and then you like ghost ghost uh effect and then you know noticeably as you're moving your know noticeably as you're moving your know noticeably as you're moving your head around things get blur out and then head around things get blur out and then head around things get blur out and then as soon as you stop your head yeah as soon as you stop your head yeah as soon as you stop your head yeah movement it then goes into Focus so uh movement it then goes into Focus so uh movement it then goes into Focus so uh you know it'll be an area that they you know it'll be an area that they you know it'll be an area that they improve obviously is a very very tough improve obviously is a very very tough improve obviously is a very very tough thing because think about it you're thing because think about it you're thing because think about it you're trying to blend everything that's coming trying to blend everything that's coming trying to blend everything that's coming through the camera with everything through the camera with everything through the camera with everything that's being rendered virtually and to that's being rendered virtually and to that's being rendered virtually and to be able to do the fiated rendering in be able to do the fiated rendering in be able to do the fiated rendering in real time and Stitch all that stuff real time and Stitch all that stuff real time and Stitch all that stuff together on device is incredibly tough together on device is incredibly tough together on device is incredibly tough so I mean maybe I'm being hard on an so I mean maybe I'm being hard on an so I mean maybe I'm being hard on an Apple um but in terms of like a a Apple um but in terms of like a a Apple um but in terms of like a a finished experience that's something finished experience that's something finished experience that's something that I would have expected and it's a that I would have expected and it's a that I would have expected and it's a bar they didn't they didn't go over bar they didn't they didn't go over bar they didn't they didn't go over um they they tripped on it with this but um they they tripped on it with this but um they they tripped on it with this but you know what it doesn't take away from you know what it doesn't take away from you know what it doesn't take away from the fact that all the virtual stuff is the fact that all the virtual stuff is the fact that all the virtual stuff is just freaking unbelievable you know the just freaking unbelievable you know the just freaking unbelievable you know the the virtual re I mean the immersive the virtual re I mean the immersive the virtual re I mean the immersive reality stuff how it represents reality reality stuff how it represents reality reality stuff how it represents reality is is is just you know that's what this thing is just you know that's what this thing is just you know that's what this thing is about it's not about games it's not about it's not about games it's not about it's not about games it's not about and it's only V1 right yeah this about and it's only V1 right yeah this about and it's only V1 right yeah this the and and you can see all the the and and you can see all the the and and you can see all the potential and the vectors that they can

potential and the vectors that they can potential and the vectors that they can take this thing with uh so um this is take this thing with uh so um this is take this thing with uh so um this is not something to if you're like a a not something to if you're like a a not something to if you're like a a vendor or XR player out there this is vendor or XR player out there this is vendor or XR player out there this is not something to make fun of no this is not something to make fun of no this is not something to make fun of no this is something to get really worried something to get really worried something to get really worried about because these guys did their you about because these guys did their you about because these guys did their you didn't for 10 years you know chasing didn't for 10 years you know chasing didn't for 10 years you know chasing stuff that doesn't matter that's why you stuff that doesn't matter that's why you stuff that doesn't matter that's why you never made the market work you know um never made the market work you know um never made the market work you know um that's a sad reality and you don't need that's a sad reality and you don't need that's a sad reality and you don't need a gazillion uh applications you just in a gazillion uh applications you just in a gazillion uh applications you just in my opinion you only need one application my opinion you only need one application my opinion you only need one application it's the one I go to all the time and it's the one I go to all the time and it's the one I go to all the time and guess what guess which one that guess what guess which one that guess what guess which one that is EXO huh how do is EXO huh how do is EXO huh how do I very weird I I would use this in the I very weird I I would use this in the I very weird I I would use this in the airplane going to Barcelona but I'm not airplane going to Barcelona but I'm not airplane going to Barcelona but I'm not sure I would use this in the sure I would use this in the sure I would use this in the Stream um the the photos app so so it Stream um the the photos app so so it Stream um the the photos app so so it runs very well Excel Excel sheets you runs very well Excel Excel sheets you runs very well Excel Excel sheets you mean yeah you can run Excel sheets um mean yeah you can run Excel sheets um mean yeah you can run Excel sheets um Microsoft has their full Suite it's Microsoft has their full Suite it's Microsoft has their full Suite it's optimized for uh Vision Pro so you can optimized for uh Vision Pro so you can optimized for uh Vision Pro so you can do productivity you know I'll tell you do productivity you know I'll tell you do productivity you know I'll tell you when this is really convenient for when this is really convenient for when this is really convenient for productivity is when you're totally lazy productivity is when you're totally lazy productivity is when you're totally lazy and you're laying back on a recliner and you're laying back on a recliner and you're laying back on a recliner right just staring up in the ceiling and right just staring up in the ceiling and right just staring up in the ceiling and you want to work you want to just flip you want to work you want to just flip you want to work you want to just flip through your emails that's stuff perfect through your emails that's stuff perfect through your emails that's stuff perfect for that yeah you know yeah now I could for that yeah you know yeah now I could for that yeah you know yeah now I could see that I heard some folks I was see that I heard some folks I was see that I heard some folks I was talking to some folks in the commercial

talking to some folks in the commercial talking to some folks in the commercial space that have been using you know the space that have been using you know the space that have been using you know the um Hollow lens and other things you know um Hollow lens and other things you know um Hollow lens and other things you know for augmented you know where you're for augmented you know where you're for augmented you know where you're looking at equipment and you're getting looking at equipment and you're getting looking at equipment and you're getting Telemetry and it's displayed on the Telemetry and it's displayed on the Telemetry and it's displayed on the thing they were saying like the fiated thing they were saying like the fiated thing they were saying like the fiated rendering issue with apple is because rendering issue with apple is because rendering issue with apple is because it's not really you're not really seeing it's not really you're not really seeing it's not really you're not really seeing reality there are some concerns about reality there are some concerns about reality there are some concerns about safety and so I think once Apple gets safety and so I think once Apple gets safety and so I think once Apple gets better at that there then then I think better at that there then then I think better at that there then then I think you'll see it permeate more kind of you'll see it permeate more kind of you'll see it permeate more kind of vertical markets I mean it's obviously vertical markets I mean it's obviously vertical markets I mean it's obviously not going to be a big factor right now not going to be a big factor right now not going to be a big factor right now at all but I mean but one of those at all but I mean but one of those at all but I mean but one of those things where they want to be able to see things where they want to be able to see things where they want to be able to see they want to be able to see have a they want to be able to see have a they want to be able to see have a safety sense around their peripheral safety sense around their peripheral safety sense around their peripheral vision so big big time man um and and so vision so big big time man um and and so vision so big big time man um and and so um again we already mentioned it right um again we already mentioned it right um again we already mentioned it right if anyone's saying that people should be if anyone's saying that people should be if anyone's saying that people should be romping around with this thing on the romping around with this thing on the romping around with this thing on the factory floor it's like no I don't think factory floor it's like no I don't think factory floor it's like no I don't think so do not so what's what's the hot app so do not so what's what's the hot app so do not so what's what's the hot app that you referring to photos photos yeah that you referring to photos photos yeah that you referring to photos photos yeah yeah addictive like even old stuff yeah addictive like even old stuff yeah addictive like even old stuff panoramas even though people Rave about panoramas even though people Rave about panoramas even though people Rave about the panoramas the problem is is that you the panoramas the problem is is that you the panoramas the problem is is that you they tend to be pixelated because most they tend to be pixelated because most they tend to be pixelated because most Panorama panoramic photos are lower res Panorama panoramic photos are lower res Panorama panoramic photos are lower res than what we can capture today and than what we can capture today and than what we can capture today and higher res stuff is I mean the higher res stuff is I mean the higher res stuff is I mean the resolution of this thing is so resolution of this thing is so resolution of this thing is so high it's a pixelated type of thing but high it's a pixelated type of thing but high it's a pixelated type of thing but it's not this thing's fault it it it's it's not this thing's fault it it it's it's not this thing's fault it it it's and so I think that might be an area

and so I think that might be an area and so I think that might be an area where Apple will take things to the next where Apple will take things to the next where Apple will take things to the next level where you have super high res uh level where you have super high res uh level where you have super high res uh panoramas right um like I said the panoramas right um like I said the panoramas right um like I said the spatial man it spatial man it spatial man it that you know if you have an iPhone 15 that you know if you have an iPhone 15 that you know if you have an iPhone 15 Pro take as many spatial videos as Pro take as many spatial videos as Pro take as many spatial videos as possible of your loved ones yeah it's possible of your loved ones yeah it's possible of your loved ones yeah it's not a it's not a joke yeah I mean and not a it's not a joke yeah I mean and not a it's not a joke yeah I mean and and the photos and you know here's the and the photos and you know here's the and the photos and you know here's the cool thing you can have infinite number cool thing you can have infinite number cool thing you can have infinite number of photos too because you can just stop of photos too because you can just stop of photos too because you can just stop the video at a certain point that you the video at a certain point that you the video at a certain point that you like and it's just like a photo like and it's just like a photo like and it's just like a photo experience right you can walk around and experience right you can walk around and experience right you can walk around and you can you can absorb that moment in you can you can absorb that moment in you can you can absorb that moment in that little window it's like the it's that little window it's like the it's that little window it's like the it's actually better than I I thought it actually better than I I thought it actually better than I I thought it would be in most ways you know what I'm would be in most ways you know what I'm would be in most ways you know what I'm saying but that photos app is the thing saying but that photos app is the thing saying but that photos app is the thing that's going to be your killer app that's going to be your killer app that's going to be your killer app there significant difference in the in there significant difference in the in there significant difference in the in the resolution in what you're looking at the resolution in what you're looking at the resolution in what you're looking at from an iCloud photo versus like an X from an iCloud photo versus like an X from an iCloud photo versus like an X photo or a Facebook photo or anything photo or a Facebook photo or anything photo or a Facebook photo or anything else like that um you know what it's else like that um you know what it's else like that um you know what it's really really really weird uh because you have these massive weird uh because you have these massive weird uh because you have these massive Windows you would think that the Windows you would think that the Windows you would think that the resolution get washed out but the thing resolution get washed out but the thing resolution get washed out but the thing is as you get closer and closer to a is as you get closer and closer to a is as you get closer and closer to a window let's say you have the window up window let's say you have the window up window let's say you have the window up you've maxed it out it does like U some you've maxed it out it does like U some you've maxed it out it does like U some kind of kind of kind of scaling where the picture still stays

scaling where the picture still stays scaling where the picture still stays pretty vivid and um and high resolution pretty vivid and um and high resolution pretty vivid and um and high resolution it's like a weird thing you could do it's like a weird thing you could do it's like a weird thing you could do that with movies cuz keep in mind you that with movies cuz keep in mind you that with movies cuz keep in mind you can walk around with this thing right can walk around with this thing right can walk around with this thing right and then anything that any window that and then anything that any window that and then anything that any window that you place in your environment that the you place in your environment that the you place in your environment that the thing does not move you know I went to I thing does not move you know I went to I thing does not move you know I went to I used the this in the restroom you know used the this in the restroom you know used the this in the restroom you know did I just say that in did I just say that in did I just say that in public I was doing some work oh by the way that's that's the work oh by the way that's that's the other perfect environment for this other perfect environment for this other perfect environment for this thing oh you you're talking to your thing oh you you're talking to your thing oh you you're talking to your toilet basically yeah yeah but no the toilet basically yeah yeah but no the toilet basically yeah yeah but no the the window was still over there so I had the window was still over there so I had the window was still over there so I had to actually come out of my office go all to actually come out of my office go all to actually come out of my office go all the way around to our our you know the way around to our our you know the way around to our our you know halfbath there and I had to close the halfbath there and I had to close the halfbath there and I had to close the window and it was still there exactly window and it was still there exactly window and it was still there exactly the where it was when I was using the where it was when I was using the where it was when I was using it oh I see that's interesting it oh it oh I see that's interesting it oh it oh I see that's interesting it oh dude it it's it's really creepy and so dude it it's it's really creepy and so dude it it's it's really creepy and so if yeah if I left a window out in the if yeah if I left a window out in the if yeah if I left a window out in the living room I walked out there it would living room I walked out there it would living room I walked out there it would still be there so you can put pictures still be there so you can put pictures still be there so you can put pictures on the wall and when you walk back they on the wall and when you walk back they on the wall and when you walk back they they will be back there probably they they will be back there probably they they will be back there probably they don't have that I I haven't found that don't have that I I haven't found that don't have that I I haven't found that function yet but I'm sure maybe that's function yet but I'm sure maybe that's function yet but I'm sure maybe that's the killer app where actually that's the the killer app where actually that's the the killer app where actually that's the killer app if you can have actually killer app if you can have actually killer app if you can have actually information sources that you place information sources that you place information sources that you place everywhere where they are rident and everywhere where they are rident and everywhere where they are rident and when you walk to disappear that's when you walk to disappear that's when you walk to disappear that's interesting temperature in your fridge interesting temperature in your fridge interesting temperature in your fridge the kitchen and it's got your little and the kitchen and it's got your little and the kitchen and it's got your little and you tell you in the cabinet you're you tell you in the cabinet you're you tell you in the cabinet you're missing beans yeah yeah that's that's

missing beans yeah yeah that's that's missing beans yeah yeah that's that's interesting yeah but you know what it's interesting yeah but you know what it's interesting yeah but you know what it's like I just I like I just I like I just I don't I I just don't see people walking don't I I just don't see people walking don't I I just don't see people walking around with these things do you know around with these things do you know around with these things do you know what I'm saying it goes back to what I what I'm saying it goes back to what I what I'm saying it goes back to what I no I I buy the Outside Inside yeah but no I I buy the Outside Inside yeah but no I I buy the Outside Inside yeah but the inside there's actually inside the the inside there's actually inside the the inside there's actually inside the house though why not why not is are they house though why not why not is are they house though why not why not is are they uncomfortable or what's the I mean I'm uncomfortable or what's the I mean I'm uncomfortable or what's the I mean I'm more like ear what I did was I showed more like ear what I did was I showed more like ear what I did was I showed you I'm using the single single band you you I'm using the single single band you you I'm using the single single band you know there's a lot of people say oh you know there's a lot of people say oh you know there's a lot of people say oh you know um this thing hurts the thing is know um this thing hurts the thing is know um this thing hurts the thing is you have to actually learn how to use it you have to actually learn how to use it you have to actually learn how to use it and tune it to your act your face but and tune it to your act your face but and tune it to your act your face but are you getting dizzy at all no I'm are you getting dizzy at all no I'm are you getting dizzy at all no I'm sitting down but when the battery I sitting down but when the battery I sitting down but when the battery I don't get dizzy how long it last the don't get dizzy how long it last the don't get dizzy how long it last the battery um probably around 2 three hours battery um probably around 2 three hours battery um probably around 2 three hours it's not that long okay no but if you it's not that long okay no but if you it's not that long okay no but if you start walking around the house go to the start walking around the house go to the start walking around the house go to the kitchen start looking in a Pantry in the kitchen start looking in a Pantry in the kitchen start looking in a Pantry in the fridge you get dizzy no no no no in fact fridge you get dizzy no no no no in fact fridge you get dizzy no no no no in fact like with meta uh Quest 3 um they do a like with meta uh Quest 3 um they do a like with meta uh Quest 3 um they do a really great job I think you know a lot really great job I think you know a lot really great job I think you know a lot of it I mean you have to give credit to of it I mean you have to give credit to of it I mean you have to give credit to the the folks at Qualcomm right with the the the folks at Qualcomm right with the the the folks at Qualcomm right with the Snapdragon um processors I mean those Snapdragon um processors I mean those Snapdragon um processors I mean those things are I think pretty overpowered things are I think pretty overpowered things are I think pretty overpowered for what what these some of these guys for what what these some of these guys for what what these some of these guys are doing and um they've I think are doing and um they've I think are doing and um they've I think effectively everyone has effectively effectively everyone has effectively effectively everyone has effectively solved that problem you solved that problem you solved that problem you know um what's the what's the cord

know um what's the what's the cord know um what's the what's the cord connected connected connected to power battery like power pretty to power battery like power pretty to power battery like power pretty pretty nice size power brick yeah it's pretty nice size power brick yeah it's pretty nice size power brick yeah it's probably like good 10,000 milliamp yeah probably like good 10,000 milliamp yeah probably like good 10,000 milliamp yeah plus plus plus plus yeah um does it get hot plus yeah um does it get hot plus yeah um does it get hot no I don't know where people are getting no I don't know where people are getting no I don't know where people are getting that from interesting if you SW that from interesting if you SW that from interesting if you SW microphones to the Avatar microphone I microphones to the Avatar microphone I microphones to the Avatar microphone I don't know if you can do that to see don't know if you can do that to see don't know if you can do that to see what that sounds like versus your real what that sounds like versus your real what that sounds like versus your real world microphone let me let me let me do world microphone let me let me let me do world microphone let me let me let me do that hold that hold that hold on and so where are you doing that now on and so where are you doing that now on and so where are you doing that now on the app on the screen on your laptop on the app on the screen on your laptop on the app on the screen on your laptop or I don't think we can hear no we we or I don't think we can hear no we we or I don't think we can hear no we we can't hear you where do you make those can't hear you where do you make those can't hear you where do you make those adjustments Pete do you do it on the adjustments Pete do you do it on the adjustments Pete do you do it on the phone or is it on the on the phone or is it on the on the phone or is it on the on the iPad well he's got two instances of Zoom iPad well he's got two instances of Zoom iPad well he's got two instances of Zoom running one on his PC or his Mac and running one on his PC or his Mac and running one on his PC or his Mac and another on the Vision Pro so he's dialed another on the Vision Pro so he's dialed another on the Vision Pro so he's dialed in twice oh so you couldn't hear me huh in twice oh so you couldn't hear me huh in twice oh so you couldn't hear me huh no no we couldn't hear you through the no no we couldn't hear you through the no no we couldn't hear you through the The Vision Pro The Vision Pro The Vision Pro microphone instance which is kind of microphone instance which is kind of microphone instance which is kind of weird although maybe that's a zoom weird although maybe that's a zoom weird although maybe that's a zoom setting muted here yeah you're muted setting muted here yeah you're muted setting muted here yeah you're muted maybe and then hold on yeah you're muted maybe and then hold on yeah you're muted maybe and then hold on yeah you're muted on the Avatar we can see the mute on the on the Avatar we can see the mute on the on the Avatar we can see the mute on the Avatar side yeah okay you're not anymore Avatar side yeah okay you're not anymore Avatar side yeah okay you're not anymore now you're on both yeah now you switch but we can't hear yeah now you switch but we can't hear you you're not I don't think the you you're not I don't think the you you're not I don't think the microphone is active on the how about microphone is active on the how about microphone is active on the how about that yeah we can hear you on both I mean

that yeah we can hear you on both I mean that yeah we can hear you on both I mean I can hear you on the live microphone I can hear you on the live microphone I can hear you on the live microphone but then if I if I mute it here you but then if I if I mute it here you but then if I if I mute it here you can't hold on let me that's right well can't hold on let me that's right well can't hold on let me that's right well we don't know if we hear him on both we don't know if we hear him on both we don't know if we hear him on both right okay so now we can't hear him are you talking you're not him are you talking you're not talking yeah no it's muted on your on talking yeah no it's muted on your on talking yeah no it's muted on your on your live microphone's coming through your live microphone's coming through your live microphone's coming through but yeah okay well we just there's some but yeah okay well we just there's some but yeah okay well we just there's some work to do there yeah well by a bug it's work to do there yeah well by a bug it's work to do there yeah well by a bug it's okay that's that's zoom's problem is is okay that's that's zoom's problem is is okay that's that's zoom's problem is is it a zoom problem it's not a setup it a zoom problem it's not a setup it a zoom problem it's not a setup problem on your I don't know it could be problem on your I don't know it could be problem on your I don't know it could be but let's just blame on zo so you don't but let's just blame on zo so you don't but let's just blame on zo so you don't down on your settings on your Zoom you down on your settings on your Zoom you down on your settings on your Zoom you can't on your mute audio button you can't on your mute audio button you can't on your mute audio button you can't it doesn't show up as an option can't it doesn't show up as an option can't it doesn't show up as an option huh no hold on huh no hold on huh no hold on um this is so funny I'm curious about um this is so funny I'm curious about um this is so funny I'm curious about the speakers and microphone on this the speakers and microphone on this the speakers and microphone on this thing I know the speakers are like these thing I know the speakers are like these thing I know the speakers are like these kind of nearby near your ear kind of kind of nearby near your ear kind of kind of nearby near your ear kind of things which are pretty cool but it took things which are pretty cool but it took things which are pretty cool but it took me a while to get my earpods to work me a while to get my earpods to work me a while to get my earpods to work with my laptop with my laptop with my laptop so yeah um right something to fuss with so yeah um right something to fuss with so yeah um right something to fuss with you you you know so speaking about iot and all the know so speaking about iot and all the know so speaking about iot and all the industrial stuff I think industrial stuff I think industrial stuff I think um the this really changes the game um the this really changes the game um the this really changes the game for um you know all for um you know all for um you know all the the cad design and and you know like the the cad design and and you know like the the cad design and and you know like just um uh computer

just um uh computer just um uh computer assisted and Graphics assisted uh design assisted and Graphics assisted uh design assisted and Graphics assisted uh design because man um they they have this because man um they they have this because man um they they have this company they they have this one company they they have this one company they they have this one application where they you know you application where they you know you application where they you know you probably seen it it renders F1 uh car probably seen it it renders F1 uh car probably seen it it renders F1 uh car yes yeah and with the turbine engine oh yes yeah and with the turbine engine oh yes yeah and with the turbine engine oh my God my God my God man it it just looks like it's right man it it just looks like it's right man it it just looks like it's right there yeah get up really close and there yeah get up really close and there yeah get up really close and there's no there's no there's no pixelation it's complet it just looks pixelation it's complet it just looks pixelation it's complet it just looks like it's there and then the frame rate like it's there and then the frame rate like it's there and then the frame rate that you uh you experience is with that that you uh you experience is with that that you uh you experience is with that object is very high and so it just looks object is very high and so it just looks object is very high and so it just looks physically there physically there physically there you know um again going back to what is you know um again going back to what is you know um again going back to what is this device about it's not about virtual this device about it's not about virtual this device about it's not about virtual it's about reality right and modeling it's about reality right and modeling it's about reality right and modeling reality is a hell of a lot tougher than reality is a hell of a lot tougher than reality is a hell of a lot tougher than just making you know stuff up in the just making you know stuff up in the just making you know stuff up in the virtual world and um I virtual world and um I virtual world and um I think um think um think um that um the compelling nature of uh the that um the compelling nature of uh the that um the compelling nature of uh the experience it is just going experience it is just going experience it is just going to make the whole to make the whole to make the whole engineering uh experience that much more engineering uh experience that much more engineering uh experience that much more engaging and so I I can easily see I engaging and so I I can easily see I engaging and so I I can easily see I mean I wouldn't be surprised that PTC mean I wouldn't be surprised that PTC mean I wouldn't be surprised that PTC Live Works uh this year you're going see Live Works uh this year you're going see Live Works uh this year you're going see all of them because you know they've

all of them because you know they've all of them because you know they've been trying to do this VR stuff AR stuff been trying to do this VR stuff AR stuff been trying to do this VR stuff AR stuff forever forever forever right well I think I think moving it to right well I think I think moving it to right well I think I think moving it to that use case is like Pete was saying I that use case is like Pete was saying I that use case is like Pete was saying I mean it's you know you start to look at mean it's you know you start to look at mean it's you know you start to look at the glasses in a in a work environment the glasses in a in a work environment the glasses in a in a work environment you know how yeah you know how yeah you know how yeah you know that's I think when you start you know that's I think when you start you know that's I think when you start to look at the budgeting scenario for to look at the budgeting scenario for to look at the budgeting scenario for companies at $3,500 or even $3,000 in companies at $3,500 or even $3,000 in companies at $3,500 or even $3,000 in quantity you know field service quantity you know field service quantity you know field service technicians and Industrial people yeah I technicians and Industrial people yeah I technicians and Industrial people yeah I get it you know unless you know yeah I get it you know unless you know yeah I get it you know unless you know yeah I don't you know what like I said man I don't you know what like I said man I don't you know what like I said man I don't I really don't think that you're don't I really don't think that you're don't I really don't think that you're going to be using this in the field in going to be using this in the field in going to be using this in the field in the field yeah it doesn't feel like it's the field yeah it doesn't feel like it's the field yeah it doesn't feel like it's a field device yet I just yeah relative a field device yet I just yeah relative a field device yet I just yeah relative to other options that you could use to other options that you could use to other options that you could use right other ways to solve that problem right other ways to solve that problem right other ways to solve that problem yeah and Leonard you remember those guys yeah and Leonard you remember those guys yeah and Leonard you remember those guys at CES with the glasses that were play at CES with the glasses that were play at CES with the glasses that were play the that vizia whatever the that vizia whatever the that vizia whatever viix and there's over the last two weeks viix and there's over the last two weeks viix and there's over the last two weeks I have got numerous emails from them I have got numerous emails from them I have got numerous emails from them about their glasses I wonder if that was about their glasses I wonder if that was about their glasses I wonder if that was a marketing ploy to Vision Pro being a marketing ploy to Vision Pro being a marketing ploy to Vision Pro being released because you know it started to released because you know it started to released because you know it started to look at the way it was it was just look at the way it was it was just look at the way it was it was just interesting I got I got inundated like interesting I got I got inundated like interesting I got I got inundated like five or six of them over the last two five or six of them over the last two five or six of them over the last two three weeks yeah I wouldn't be surprised three weeks yeah I wouldn't be surprised three weeks yeah I wouldn't be surprised at all hey guys kind of you kind of at all hey guys kind of you kind of at all hey guys kind of you kind of think about the uh the you know back in think about the uh the you know back in think about the uh the you know back in the smartphone business days uh where the smartphone business days uh where the smartphone business days uh where smartphones were for business users only smartphones were for business users only smartphones were for business users only and were very expensive and then there and were very expensive and then there and were very expensive and then there you go Andrea and then Apple came along you go Andrea and then Apple came along you go Andrea and then Apple came along and you know blew the whole Market wide

and you know blew the whole Market wide and you know blew the whole Market wide open and said no this is for everybody open and said no this is for everybody open and said no this is for everybody this is for consumers to zoom in on this is for consumers to zoom in on this is for consumers to zoom in on their photos and stuff I feel like we their photos and stuff I feel like we their photos and stuff I feel like we kind of at that moment as well with a kind of at that moment as well with a kind of at that moment as well with a lot of the kind of VR stuff so yeah lot of the kind of VR stuff so yeah lot of the kind of VR stuff so yeah amazing how many the the porn the porn amazing how many the the porn the porn amazing how many the the porn the porn people have been popping up you know people have been popping up you know people have been popping up you know over the last you don't even need to you don't last you don't even need to you don't even need to have the porn people you even need to have the porn people you even need to have the porn people you can be the porn person that's the thing can be the porn person that's the thing can be the porn person that's the thing you know what I'm saying I mean you know you know what I'm saying I mean you know you know what I'm saying I mean you know come on we all act you know people act come on we all act you know people act come on we all act you know people act like they don't like they don't like they don't know it's like don't even know it's like don't even know it's like don't even freaking you know what I'm saying that's freaking you know what I'm saying that's freaking you know what I'm saying that's delusional that's like denying probably delusional that's like denying probably delusional that's like denying probably one of the biggest markets out there for one of the biggest markets out there for one of the biggest markets out there for these things now I was just reacting to these things now I was just reacting to these things now I was just reacting to you saying that you wanted to be the you saying that you wanted to be the you saying that you wanted to be the porn person so I was like okay yeah bye porn person so I was like okay yeah bye porn person so I was like okay yeah bye guys have a great day all right guys wow guys have a great day all right guys wow guys have a great day all right guys wow hey we got we got to close out hey hey we got we got to close out hey hey we got we got to close out hey everyone oh yes than for for uh joining everyone oh yes than for for uh joining everyone oh yes than for for uh joining us we have like uh iot coffee talkers us we have like uh iot coffee talkers us we have like uh iot coffee talkers dropping off like flies but um you know dropping off like flies but um you know dropping off like flies but um you know we really appreciate your attention and we really appreciate your attention and we really appreciate your attention and uh your commitment to making it this far uh your commitment to making it this far uh your commitment to making it this far remember we have a charity called uh remember we have a charity called uh remember we have a charity called uh elevat our kids at www. elevar kids.org elevat our kids at www. elevar kids.org elevat our kids at www. elevar kids.org please donate if you're not into charity please donate if you're not into charity please donate if you're not into charity but you're into fashion just pick up one but you're into fashion just pick up one but you're into fashion just pick up one of these and all proceeds go to the of these and all proceeds go to the of these and all proceeds go to the charity and we're trying to help bridge charity and we're trying to help bridge charity and we're trying to help bridge the digital Equity divide and uh you the digital Equity divide and uh you the digital Equity divide and uh you know one of these days if we're we make know one of these days if we're we make know one of these days if we're we make enough raise enough money uh maybe we

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