IoTCT Webcast Episode 205 - Big Things Come in TinyML

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concept of nothing there you go actually concept of nothing there you go actually you really think about it yeah I was you really think about it yeah I was you really think about it yeah I was down in that area Steve in Tulum once we down in that area Steve in Tulum once we down in that area Steve in Tulum once we went we visited a bunch of ruins and went we visited a bunch of ruins and went we visited a bunch of ruins and there was a like a stadium or something there was a like a stadium or something there was a like a stadium or something where they played this game the Mayes where they played this game the Mayes where they played this game the Mayes played a game where you had to get the played a game where you had to get the played a game where you had to get the ball through the ring and the thing was ball through the ring and the thing was ball through the ring and the thing was like if you won you you you were killed like if you won you you you were killed like if you won you you you were killed like so that was the that was the like so that was the that was the like so that was the that was the actually I it was the other way actually I it was the other way actually I it was the other way around it wasn't a ball I thought I around it wasn't a ball I thought I around it wasn't a ball I thought I think it was the head well somebody's H think it was the head well somebody's H think it was the head well somebody's H right maybe but yeah if you win you die right maybe but yeah if you win you die right maybe but yeah if you win you die because you're you have exalted yourself because you're you have exalted yourself because you're you have exalted yourself to become so sudden death I guess that's to become so sudden death I guess that's to become so sudden death I guess that's where that term came from yeah crazyy we where that term came from yeah crazyy we where that term came from yeah crazyy we got to do our intro and disclosure guys got to do our intro and disclosure guys got to do our intro and disclosure guys so welcome everyone to iot Coffee Talk so welcome everyone to iot Coffee Talk so welcome everyone to iot Coffee Talk and uh we uh really appreciate you you and uh we uh really appreciate you you and uh we uh really appreciate you you know dialing in here joining us for know dialing in here joining us for know dialing in here joining us for whatever kind of conversation we're whatever kind of conversation we're whatever kind of conversation we're going to have but going to have but going to have but remember to take us seriously at your remember to take us seriously at your remember to take us seriously at your own damn risk it's a really bad idea so own damn risk it's a really bad idea so own damn risk it's a really bad idea so in enjoy the show we're just having fun in enjoy the show we're just having fun in enjoy the show we're just having fun and uh we look forward to you reacting and uh we look forward to you reacting and uh we look forward to you reacting to our discussion here and hey let's get to our discussion here and hey let's get to our discussion here and hey let's get going there you go there you look like going there you go there you look like going there you go there you look like you're on the move somewhere you're on the move somewhere you're on the move somewhere interesting yeah I'm at the NAB show interesting yeah I'm at the NAB show interesting yeah I'm at the NAB show here which is the National Association here which is the National Association here which is the National Association of broadcasters show so cool if you want of broadcasters show so cool if you want of broadcasters show so cool if you want to know everything that's going on in to know everything that's going on in to know everything that's going on in the broadcast and media production world

the broadcast and media production world the broadcast and media production world uh this is where you come and it's a I uh this is where you come and it's a I uh this is where you come and it's a I think it's a great show it's pretty huge think it's a great show it's pretty huge think it's a great show it's pretty huge I think they get CL uh 990,000 wow wow I think they get CL uh 990,000 wow wow I think they get CL uh 990,000 wow wow wow so yeah they filled up about three wow so yeah they filled up about three wow so yeah they filled up about three Halls here this Halls here this Halls here this year number oh yeah oh my God I mean you year number oh yeah oh my God I mean you year number oh yeah oh my God I mean you remember when they first introduced remember when they first introduced remember when they first introduced camcs way back in the day they've come a camcs way back in the day they've come a camcs way back in the day they've come a hell of a long way I'll tell you that hell of a long way I'll tell you that hell of a long way I'll tell you that right now do you mean that 80% of the right now do you mean that 80% of the right now do you mean that 80% of the people are just YouTubers hanging around people are just YouTubers hanging around people are just YouTubers hanging around with themselves so well you know that with themselves so well you know that with themselves so well you know that what's that guy Mr Beast that that guy what's that guy Mr Beast that that guy what's that guy Mr Beast that that guy is a bit of a you know he's kind of a is a bit of a you know he's kind of a is a bit of a you know he's kind of a celebrity here you know he's a bit of celebrity here you know he's a bit of celebrity here you know he's a bit of that face of broadcasters of the future that face of broadcasters of the future that face of broadcasters of the future there's a lot of talk about um right uh there's a lot of talk about um right uh there's a lot of talk about um right uh you know what do they call it um you you know what do they call it um you you know what do they call it um you know like um private private streaming know like um private private streaming know like um private private streaming services and people trying to be like a services and people trying to be like a services and people trying to be like a oneman shop or a smaller shop that's oneman shop or a smaller shop that's oneman shop or a smaller shop that's able to broadcast content and um a lot able to broadcast content and um a lot able to broadcast content and um a lot of that that related of that that related of that that related technology is being talked about quite a technology is being talked about quite a technology is being talked about quite a bit here you know and so did you hear bit here you know and so did you hear bit here you know and so did you hear anything about atsc 3.0 oh yeah oh yeah anything about atsc 3.0 oh yeah oh yeah anything about atsc 3.0 oh yeah oh yeah so a lot of it yeah so um my client is so a lot of it yeah so um my client is so a lot of it yeah so um my client is that OTA Wireless which is the scripts that OTA Wireless which is the scripts that OTA Wireless which is the scripts and nextar joint venture bring bringing and nextar joint venture bring bringing and nextar joint venture bring bringing it to Market and so we're actually going it to Market and so we're actually going it to Market and so we're actually going live in San Diego in two weeks um

live in San Diego in two weeks um live in San Diego in two weeks um a it's a pretty cool technology so I'd a it's a pretty cool technology so I'd a it's a pretty cool technology so I'd love to hear your thoughts on it when love to hear your thoughts on it when love to hear your thoughts on it when you you know from what you're hearing you you know from what you're hearing you you know from what you're hearing there what is it yeah there what is it yeah there what is it yeah atsc3 at. it's a atsc3 at. it's a atsc3 at. it's a oneway uh you can send gigabytes of data oneway uh you can send gigabytes of data oneway uh you can send gigabytes of data to millions of devices simultaneously to millions of devices simultaneously to millions of devices simultaneously for really inexpensive gigabyte rates for really inexpensive gigabyte rates for really inexpensive gigabyte rates it's it's it's it's it's like a it's a broadcast it's it's like a it's a broadcast it's it's like a it's a broadcast technology television broadcast technology television broadcast technology television broadcast technology digital technology digital technology digital right and right and right and so it kind of a compression so it kind of a compression so it kind of a compression or no it's it's a wide open 600 Mega or no it's it's a wide open 600 Mega or no it's it's a wide open 600 Mega megahertz pipe um but it's it's one to megahertz pipe um but it's it's one to megahertz pipe um but it's it's one to many Demetri so it's gigabytes to many Demetri so it's gigabytes to many Demetri so it's gigabytes to millions of be like for Xfinity or millions of be like for Xfinity or millions of be like for Xfinity or comcast would use it no no actually it's comcast would use it no no actually it's comcast would use it no no actually it's for like signage imagine sending a one for like signage imagine sending a one for like signage imagine sending a one button to millions of digital signage button to millions of digital signage button to millions of digital signage boards dat and video boards dat and video boards dat and video instantly that's yeah so you're you're instantly that's yeah so you're you're instantly that's yeah so you're you're broasting to endpoint devices so okay broasting to endpoint devices so okay broasting to endpoint devices so okay correct it's a Sony chipset that's uh on correct it's a Sony chipset that's uh on correct it's a Sony chipset that's uh on the on the end yeah and so it contends the on the end yeah and so it contends the on the end yeah and so it contends with in in a certain way actually in a with in in a certain way actually in a with in in a certain way actually in a lot of ways with 5G multicast broadcast lot of ways with 5G multicast broadcast lot of ways with 5G multicast broadcast corre and so there's this whole battle corre and so there's this whole battle corre and so there's this whole battle now going on the device to um actually now going on the device to um actually now going on the device to um actually the the cellular people trying to keep

the the cellular people trying to keep the the cellular people trying to keep um atsc 3.0 off of the device but I um atsc 3.0 off of the device but I um atsc 3.0 off of the device but I don't know if you guys heard but the don't know if you guys heard but the don't know if you guys heard but the Indian government is uh I think they're Indian government is uh I think they're Indian government is uh I think they're moving to require atsc 3o because moving to require atsc 3o because moving to require atsc 3o because they're adopting it as a they're adopting it as a they're adopting it as a broadcast standard because it's cheap broadcast standard because it's cheap broadcast standard because it's cheap right but that's going to force a lot of right but that's going to force a lot of right but that's going to force a lot of smartphone OEM who sell into the into smartphone OEM who sell into the into smartphone OEM who sell into the into the Indian market to the Indian market to the Indian market to modules modules modules yeah and so yeah our friends at you know yeah and so yeah our friends at you know yeah and so yeah our friends at you know at Qualcomm and uh you know Samsung are at Qualcomm and uh you know Samsung are at Qualcomm and uh you know Samsung are not too happy about that right because not too happy about that right because not too happy about that right because they want a 5G to prail but interesting they want a 5G to prail but interesting they want a 5G to prail but interesting thing yeah yeah and here's the thing yeah yeah and here's the thing yeah yeah and here's the interesting thing though there's a lot interesting thing though there's a lot interesting thing though there's a lot of talk about uh convergence and of talk about uh convergence and of talk about uh convergence and interworking which is an interesting interworking which is an interesting interworking which is an interesting word uh between atsc3 word uh between atsc3 word uh between atsc3 and 5G and somehow in certain and 5G and somehow in certain and 5G and somehow in certain situations um having this convergence situations um having this convergence situations um having this convergence model it's like really complicated stuff model it's like really complicated stuff model it's like really complicated stuff you know what weird about the show these you know what weird about the show these you know what weird about the show these guys show up these ridiculous eye charts guys show up these ridiculous eye charts guys show up these ridiculous eye charts right and Technical diagrams with a right and Technical diagrams with a right and Technical diagrams with a tone of like acronyms you've never heard tone of like acronyms you've never heard tone of like acronyms you've never heard before uh but the gist of it is is that before uh but the gist of it is is that before uh but the gist of it is is that um they want atsc 3.0 and 5G multicast um they want atsc 3.0 and 5G multicast um they want atsc 3.0 and 5G multicast will broadcast to uh play each other will broadcast to uh play each other will broadcast to uh play each other interoperate interoperable well yeah but

interoperate interoperable well yeah but interoperate interoperable well yeah but actually in most cases um atsc3 a being actually in most cases um atsc3 a being actually in most cases um atsc3 a being able to Rite that kind of service uh able to Rite that kind of service uh able to Rite that kind of service uh being uh able to ride on top of a a being uh able to ride on top of a a being uh able to ride on top of a a cellular service right or a cellular cellular service right or a cellular cellular service right or a cellular network I see so there's work being done network I see so there's work being done network I see so there's work being done now um to propose a working group now um to propose a working group now um to propose a working group project um in the project um in the project um in the 3gpp uh to enable this convergence and 3gpp uh to enable this convergence and 3gpp uh to enable this convergence and release 20 so so that proposal is in in release 20 so so that proposal is in in release 20 so so that proposal is in in the process and and so that's a really the process and and so that's a really the process and and so that's a really interesting development so maybe we're interesting development so maybe we're interesting development so maybe we're not going to be arguing with it you know not going to be arguing with it you know not going to be arguing with it you know we're not going to see these guys we're not going to see these guys we're not going to see these guys fighting with each other but uh the fighting with each other but uh the fighting with each other but uh the protocols and modalities kind of coming protocols and modalities kind of coming protocols and modalities kind of coming together but we'll see because you know together but we'll see because you know together but we'll see because you know that just adds uh more junk on top of a that just adds uh more junk on top of a that just adds uh more junk on top of a a device that you have to right uh deal a device that you have to right uh deal a device that you have to right uh deal with you know well I mean one of the with you know well I mean one of the with you know well I mean one of the thing one of the other things Pete is thing one of the other things Pete is thing one of the other things Pete is that um SE many almost all of the car that um SE many almost all of the car that um SE many almost all of the car our companies are experimenting with it our companies are experimenting with it our companies are experimenting with it as well because we at at the scripts and as well because we at at the scripts and as well because we at at the scripts and next to our group we did a test in next to our group we did a test in next to our group we did a test in Detroit going from Detroit to Grand Detroit going from Detroit to Grand Detroit going from Detroit to Grand Rapids in back we were able to hand off Rapids in back we were able to hand off Rapids in back we were able to hand off live TV in the back seats of the car live TV in the back seats of the car live TV in the back seats of the car going over 80 miles an hour um while going over 80 miles an hour um while going over 80 miles an hour um while sending foda Oda stuff to the front of sending foda Oda stuff to the front of sending foda Oda stuff to the front of the car simultaneously through the same the car simultaneously through the same the car simultaneously through the same chipset chipset chipset so um you know so when you start to look so um you know so when you start to look so um you know so when you start to look at real live TV in vehicles or in right

at real live TV in vehicles or in right at real live TV in vehicles or in right in devices and downloadable content you in devices and downloadable content you in devices and downloadable content you will always need a return path and so will always need a return path and so will always need a return path and so right now the return path on the demo right now the return path on the demo right now the return path on the demo kits that we have devkits out are uh our kits that we have devkits out are uh our kits that we have devkits out are uh our LTE just to be able to get the LTE just to be able to get the LTE just to be able to get the acknowledgement of the packets going acknowledgement of the packets going acknowledgement of the packets going through and then they also have this through and then they also have this through and then they also have this technology in it called carousell where technology in it called carousell where technology in it called carousell where you can set up all the video and set up you can set up all the video and set up you can set up all the video and set up all the data and to ensure that it all all the data and to ensure that it all all the data and to ensure that it all gets to the cars as they're driving and gets to the cars as they're driving and gets to the cars as they're driving and the updates instead of it like Wi-Fi the updates instead of it like Wi-Fi the updates instead of it like Wi-Fi where you do a you know Tesla update where you do a you know Tesla update where you do a you know Tesla update over days this is a rotating Carousel over days this is a rotating Carousel over days this is a rotating Carousel download where you can actually get it download where you can actually get it download where you can actually get it done pretty quickly yeah well I guess done pretty quickly yeah well I guess done pretty quickly yeah well I guess it's sort of like you know I mean I it's sort of like you know I mean I it's sort of like you know I mean I heard of some stats say 70 or 80% of the heard of some stats say 70 or 80% of the heard of some stats say 70 or 80% of the internet traffic is video and so this internet traffic is video and so this internet traffic is video and so this sounds like how do you how do you push sounds like how do you how do you push sounds like how do you how do you push video massive amounts in a much more video massive amounts in a much more video massive amounts in a much more efficient way over Spectrum or without efficient way over Spectrum or without efficient way over Spectrum or without without taking sell your because it's without taking sell your because it's without taking sell your because it's kind of they're probably reaching that kind of they're probably reaching that kind of they're probably reaching that this is reaching capacity in a lot of this is reaching capacity in a lot of this is reaching capacity in a lot of networks it's just too much video being networks it's just too much video being networks it's just too much video being streamed and uh so there's a more streamed and uh so there's a more streamed and uh so there's a more efficient way now of course there's efficient way now of course there's efficient way now of course there's always whenever there's a problem to be always whenever there's a problem to be always whenever there's a problem to be solved there's always at least two good solved there's always at least two good solved there's always at least two good ways of doing it and they compete with ways of doing it and they compete with ways of doing it and they compete with each other so you know yeah and you know each other so you know yeah and you know each other so you know yeah and you know keep in mind it would it would the Hope keep in mind it would it would the Hope keep in mind it would it would the Hope here would be to um you know kind of here would be to um you know kind of here would be to um you know kind of bring back linear bring back linear bring back linear linear um linear um linear um content um content um content um which I don't know um which I don't know um which I don't know um that for years you know with this uh on

that for years you know with this uh on that for years you know with this uh on demand stuff you that whole I I don't demand stuff you that whole I I don't demand stuff you that whole I I don't know if people are fraying to consume know if people are fraying to consume know if people are fraying to consume content that way content that way content that way anymore on anymore on anymore on demand yeah so stuff y we've been with demand yeah so stuff y we've been with demand yeah so stuff y we've been with with the vehicle advances I mean do they with the vehicle advances I mean do they with the vehicle advances I mean do they expect it to come much faster than expect it to come much faster than expect it to come much faster than predicted where they're not going to predicted where they're not going to predicted where they're not going to have the antennas on the vehicles or have the antennas on the vehicles or have the antennas on the vehicles or they're going to have it's going to be they're going to have it's going to be they're going to have it's going to be an aftermarket thing to be able no an aftermarket thing to be able no an aftermarket thing to be able no actually the the uh Automotive uh actually the the uh Automotive uh actually the the uh Automotive uh antenna design companies have built the antenna design companies have built the antenna design companies have built the design because it's 600 megahertz so design because it's 600 megahertz so design because it's 600 megahertz so it's very small and the huge remember it's very small and the huge remember it's very small and the huge remember it's coming from the top of the TV tower it's coming from the top of the TV tower it's coming from the top of the TV tower stations so the power coming out of stations so the power coming out of stations so the power coming out of there is huge and goes all the way out there is huge and goes all the way out there is huge and goes all the way out to the edge of the distance from the TV to the edge of the distance from the TV to the edge of the distance from the TV tower Horizon yeah yeah High you know 60 tower Horizon yeah yeah High you know 60 tower Horizon yeah yeah High you know 60 70 miles pretty low in the frequency 70 miles pretty low in the frequency 70 miles pretty low in the frequency spectrum area so prop for a long spectrum area so prop for a long spectrum area so prop for a long distance and the penetration into distance and the penetration into distance and the penetration into buildings is is excellent too so now buildings is is excellent too so now buildings is is excellent too so now we're starting to look at that's why the we're starting to look at that's why the we're starting to look at that's why the digital signage like uh um Leonard the digital signage like uh um Leonard the digital signage like uh um Leonard the West Hall of the convention centers is West Hall of the convention centers is West Hall of the convention centers is that big Bank of TVs those Samsungs that that big Bank of TVs those Samsungs that that big Bank of TVs those Samsungs that are up there that is all three out atsc3 are up there that is all three out atsc3 are up there that is all three out atsc3 there so people will be able to watch there so people will be able to watch there so people will be able to watch iot Coffee Talk in the back of their iot Coffee Talk in the back of their iot Coffee Talk in the back of their Mercedes hell yeah down 280 at uh you Mercedes hell yeah down 280 at uh you Mercedes hell yeah down 280 at uh you know high speed it's know high speed it's know high speed it's fantastic big when we go

live well from what I've seen on the live well from what I've seen on the Wikipedia it's really it's really at the Wikipedia it's really it's really at the Wikipedia it's really it's really at the level of the the encoding of the videos level of the the encoding of the videos level of the the encoding of the videos so it's independent from whatever you so it's independent from whatever you so it's independent from whatever you broadcast it on your on the frequencies broadcast it on your on the frequencies broadcast it on your on the frequencies so it's really a lowlevel implementation so it's really a lowlevel implementation so it's really a lowlevel implementation effective way to broadcast video signal effective way to broadcast video signal effective way to broadcast video signal up to 4K so which Bally means that you up to 4K so which Bally means that you up to 4K so which Bally means that you know it could replace kind of neur know it could replace kind of neur know it could replace kind of neur transmission over the internet but transmission over the internet but transmission over the internet but you're going to need specific Hardware you're going to need specific Hardware you're going to need specific Hardware to De yeah the Sony chipset is is is a to De yeah the Sony chipset is is is a to De yeah the Sony chipset is is is a big piece yeah yeah so this is great big piece yeah yeah so this is great big piece yeah yeah so this is great Demitri you're like our live research Demitri you're like our live research Demitri you're like our live research analyst look up crap while we're esic analyst look up crap while we're esic analyst look up crap while we're esic stuff that's awesome I'm I'm a gig so stuff that's awesome I'm I'm a gig so stuff that's awesome I'm I'm a gig so and you are a gig and my father worked and you are a gig and my father worked and you are a gig and my father worked in the in the television network so I'm in the in the television network so I'm in the in the television network so I'm still with with acronym you never heard still with with acronym you never heard still with with acronym you never heard about called antop which was ACC about called antop which was ACC about called antop which was ACC numeric numeric numeric IM which basically means it was a IM which basically means it was a IM which basically means it was a standard to standard to standard to broadcast text Pages within TV signals broadcast text Pages within TV signals broadcast text Pages within TV signals in well then maybe I maybe I should send in well then maybe I maybe I should send in well then maybe I maybe I should send you one of the developer kits for you to you one of the developer kits for you to you one of the developer kits for you to play with and give us feedback that play with and give us feedback that play with and give us feedback that could be fun that could be fun so uh could be fun that could be fun so uh could be fun that could be fun so uh there was a lot of research in the80s there was a lot of research in the80s there was a lot of research in the80s France on how you could do with a with a France on how you could do with a with a France on how you could do with a with a TV signal so having Pages we actually TV signal so having Pages we actually TV signal so having Pages we actually had pages on the TV and it was used for had pages on the TV and it was used for had pages on the TV and it was used for stock markets type of services exactly stock markets type of services exactly stock markets type of services exactly back in the 80s was like the teletext or

back in the 80s was like the teletext or back in the 80s was like the teletext or was it like the text yes so that's at was it like the text yes so that's at was it like the text yes so that's at anop is actually one of the anop is actually one of the anop is actually one of the standards full standards full standards full circle and I still have I still have my circle and I still have I still have my circle and I still have I still have my mini tail mini tail that's right mini tail mini tail that's right mini tail mini tail that's right remember the mini tail remember the mini tail remember the mini tail cool so yeah um makes it a pretty cool so yeah um makes it a pretty cool so yeah um makes it a pretty interesting conference you know interesting conference you know interesting conference you know obviously and it's interesting that the obviously and it's interesting that the obviously and it's interesting that the broadcasters are getting into Data like broadcasters are getting into Data like broadcasters are getting into Data like they are you know I mean you would have they are you know I mean you would have they are you know I mean you would have oh yeah yeah um I mean they don't have oh yeah yeah um I mean they don't have oh yeah yeah um I mean they don't have much choice though right no they don't I much choice though right no they don't I much choice though right no they don't I mean and and it's also bill it's it's mean and and it's also bill it's it's mean and and it's also bill it's it's frequency protection Spectrum protection frequency protection Spectrum protection frequency protection Spectrum protection too um that they a lot of that's being too um that they a lot of that's being too um that they a lot of that's being discussed well also I imagine there is discussed well also I imagine there is discussed well also I imagine there is like just like what we're doing here I like just like what we're doing here I like just like what we're doing here I mean the equipment that we're using just mean the equipment that we're using just mean the equipment that we're using just to do this show relative to what was to do this show relative to what was to do this show relative to what was available 10 years ago is outstanding available 10 years ago is outstanding available 10 years ago is outstanding and so everyone is able to really up and so everyone is able to really up and so everyone is able to really up their production game these days even their production game these days even their production game these days even you know yeah as an individual it's you know yeah as an individual it's you know yeah as an individual it's pretty impressive uh I'm using pretty impressive uh I'm using pretty impressive uh I'm using streamyard for a for a series that I'm streamyard for a for a series that I'm streamyard for a for a series that I'm doing and yeah I mean the production doing and yeah I mean the production doing and yeah I mean the production values the microphones the cameras values the microphones the cameras values the microphones the cameras everything is and you know and then post everything is and you know and then post everything is and you know and then post using Ai and post production and things using Ai and post production and things using Ai and post production and things like that to really it's is impressive like that to really it's is impressive like that to really it's is impressive so I'm sure that's a topic down there so I'm sure that's a topic down there so I'm sure that's a topic down there too too too well speaking of topics Pete well speaking of topics Pete well speaking of topics Pete congratulations oh thank you oh yeah congratulations oh thank you oh yeah congratulations oh thank you oh yeah yeah yeah tiny ml man I love that tiny yeah yeah tiny ml man I love that tiny yeah yeah tiny ml man I love that tiny ml Foundation yeah very excited my God

ml Foundation yeah very excited my God ml Foundation yeah very excited my God perfect I know I've been swimming in uh perfect I know I've been swimming in uh perfect I know I've been swimming in uh lots of emails and getting CCD on lots lots of emails and getting CCD on lots lots of emails and getting CCD on lots of things that the the tiny ml Summit is of things that the the tiny ml Summit is of things that the the tiny ml Summit is next week in Berling game and if the next week in Berling game and if the next week in Berling game and if the area should go I'm expecting an invite area should go I'm expecting an invite area should go I'm expecting an invite all right we'll work on it why could all right we'll work on it why could all right we'll work on it why could tiny ml all ml is Tiny yeah relatively tiny ml all ml is Tiny yeah relatively tiny ml all ml is Tiny yeah relatively speak it's it's a relative term isn't it speak it's it's a relative term isn't it speak it's it's a relative term isn't it I mean relative to the 1.8 trillion you I mean relative to the 1.8 trillion you I mean relative to the 1.8 trillion you know data point models that open AI is know data point models that open AI is know data point models that open AI is working on everything's tiny so you're working on everything's tiny so you're working on everything's tiny so you're right it's uh it's anything around AI on right it's uh it's anything around AI on right it's uh it's anything around AI on things really it's really about Ai and things really it's really about Ai and things really it's really about Ai and resource constrainted environments and resource constrainted environments and resource constrainted environments and they just had a good seminar on they just had a good seminar on they just had a good seminar on generative AI models and how those can generative AI models and how those can generative AI models and how those can be optimized for resource constrainted be optimized for resource constrainted be optimized for resource constrainted envirment there's a lot a lot of envirment there's a lot a lot of envirment there's a lot a lot of interesting work especially in Academia interesting work especially in Academia interesting work especially in Academia too about how to sort of fit things in too about how to sort of fit things in too about how to sort of fit things in there was an interesting article I saw I there was an interesting article I saw I there was an interesting article I saw I think yesterday where our friend Rick think yesterday where our friend Rick think yesterday where our friend Rick bua commented in where it's actually a bua commented in where it's actually a bua commented in where it's actually a researcher we actually rather than researcher we actually rather than researcher we actually rather than trying to build neural system like have trying to build neural system like have trying to build neural system like have like billions of neurons like humans like billions of neurons like humans like billions of neurons like humans they look at small organism because they they look at small organism because they they look at small organism because they know how to behave and how to be know how to behave and how to be know how to behave and how to be autonomous so it's an interesting autonomous so it's an interesting autonomous so it's an interesting approach so you know mimicking like a approach so you know mimicking like a approach so you know mimicking like a bee which has I think a billion neuron bee which has I think a billion neuron bee which has I think a billion neuron as opposed to a human that has like 75 as opposed to a human that has like 75 as opposed to a human that has like 75 billion well when we talk about billion well when we talk about billion well when we talk about artificial intelligence we sort of artificial intelligence we sort of artificial intelligence we sort of default to human intelligence but default to human intelligence but default to human intelligence but there's all kinds of intelligence out there's all kinds of intelligence out there's all kinds of intelligence out there right I mean yeah artificial there right I mean yeah artificial there right I mean yeah artificial spilop pod intelligence could be really spilop pod intelligence could be really spilop pod intelligence could be really interesting too right I mean who knows interesting too right I mean who knows interesting too right I mean who knows the reason I'm mentioning that is the reason I'm mentioning that is the reason I'm mentioning that is because apparently the application because apparently the application because apparently the application actually for for smaller systems because

actually for for smaller systems because actually for for smaller systems because if you want a smaller autonomous system if you want a smaller autonomous system if you want a smaller autonomous system with bees you know have incredible with bees you know have incredible with bees you know have incredible intelligence and and kind of do amazing intelligence and and kind of do amazing intelligence and and kind of do amazing things so yeah I think that's it's a things so yeah I think that's it's a things so yeah I think that's it's a fascinating space there's a lot of work fascinating space there's a lot of work fascinating space there's a lot of work in Academia right now as you can imagine in Academia right now as you can imagine in Academia right now as you can imagine on all the stuff and um virtually every on all the stuff and um virtually every on all the stuff and um virtually every college and university has got I think college and university has got I think college and university has got I think in the tiny ml Community we have about in the tiny ml Community we have about in the tiny ml Community we have about 70,000 students around the world taking 70,000 students around the world taking 70,000 students around the world taking tiny ml classes and things on edex and tiny ml classes and things on edex and tiny ml classes and things on edex and whatever so it's a it's a big Community whatever so it's a it's a big Community whatever so it's a it's a big Community it's pretty exciting yeah I mean it's pretty exciting yeah I mean it's pretty exciting yeah I mean compression is huge right I mean that compression is huge right I mean that compression is huge right I mean that that's an area that I think a lot of that's an area that I think a lot of that's an area that I think a lot of people are going to start talking about people are going to start talking about people are going to start talking about I mean we've been talking about it on I mean we've been talking about it on I mean we've been talking about it on this show for a long time yeah but um this show for a long time yeah but um this show for a long time yeah but um you there's such a fixation on those you there's such a fixation on those you there's such a fixation on those massive uh models um that are being massive uh models um that are being massive uh models um that are being trained in the you know hyper hyperscale trained in the you know hyper hyperscale trained in the you know hyper hyperscale clouds right uh but being able to bring clouds right uh but being able to bring clouds right uh but being able to bring these uh models down to the device these uh models down to the device these uh models down to the device that's you know actually it's going to that's you know actually it's going to that's you know actually it's going to be necessary yeah because um you know be necessary yeah because um you know be necessary yeah because um you know you can't securely deploy a you can't securely deploy a you can't securely deploy a public um public um public um massive uh large language model uh the massive uh large language model uh the massive uh large language model uh the security is just not there doesn't security is just not there doesn't security is just not there doesn't matter what people say yeah that's just matter what people say yeah that's just matter what people say yeah that's just like one of the massive points of denial like one of the massive points of denial like one of the massive points of denial at the moment that everyone's going to at the moment that everyone's going to at the moment that everyone's going to have a Awakening about and probably the have a Awakening about and probably the have a Awakening about and probably the next six months as everyone makes this

next six months as everyone makes this next six months as everyone makes this Enterprise AI push right like uh you Enterprise AI push right like uh you Enterprise AI push right like uh you know you know it's like weird man I know you know it's like weird man I know you know it's like weird man I people just don't do their homework you people just don't do their homework you people just don't do their homework you know it it's like it it's astonishing know it it's like it it's astonishing know it it's like it it's astonishing yeah there's going to be a lot of yeah there's going to be a lot of yeah there's going to be a lot of disappointing chat Bots out there in disappointing chat Bots out there in disappointing chat Bots out there in about six months there already are yeah about six months there already are yeah about six months there already are yeah maybe yeah sorry they're already there maybe yeah sorry they're already there maybe yeah sorry they're already there it's no I'm serious man and you know it's no I'm serious man and you know it's no I'm serious man and you know these these guys here at NAB they tried these these guys here at NAB they tried these these guys here at NAB they tried to you know front all this gen stuff and to you know front all this gen stuff and to you know front all this gen stuff and they had some dude walk in with like a they had some dude walk in with like a they had some dude walk in with like a fing you know like sexy robot hooked up fing you know like sexy robot hooked up fing you know like sexy robot hooked up to chat GPT and I guess they tuned it to to chat GPT and I guess they tuned it to to chat GPT and I guess they tuned it to have like a kind of a snarky attitude have like a kind of a snarky attitude have like a kind of a snarky attitude but you know there was a press event but you know there was a press event but you know there was a press event this thing started like getting really this thing started like getting really this thing started like getting really dark yeah one of one of the questions dark yeah one of one of the questions dark yeah one of one of the questions somebody asked was so how do you like somebody asked was so how do you like somebody asked was so how do you like working with uh human beings it's like H working with uh human beings it's like H working with uh human beings it's like H you know you're okay for the you know you're okay for the you know you're okay for the moment you know it was like okay is that moment you know it was like okay is that moment you know it was like okay is that it I like that's some creep that's a it I like that's some creep that's a it I like that's some creep that's a creepy ass response you know to a creepy ass response you know to a creepy ass response you know to a question that just lets you know the question that just lets you know the question that just lets you know the sentient is coming for you that's sentient is coming for you that's sentient is coming for you that's right but you know yeah and you know it right but you know yeah and you know it right but you know yeah and you know it doesn't need to be human level doesn't need to be human level doesn't need to be human level intelligence just plug one of these intelligence just plug one of these intelligence just plug one of these things in and have it act like one of things in and have it act like one of things in and have it act like one of those uh you know psychotic game charact those uh you know psychotic game charact those uh you know psychotic game charact characters in a game that has this characters in a game that has this characters in a game that has this apocalyptic tendency and then hook it up apocalyptic tendency and then hook it up apocalyptic tendency and then hook it up to you know freaking

to you know freaking to you know freaking NORAD game over you NORAD game over you NORAD game over you know have to be yeah it doesn't have to know have to be yeah it doesn't have to know have to be yeah it doesn't have to be super intelligent to figure out um be super intelligent to figure out um be super intelligent to figure out um how to you know destroy the world that's how to you know destroy the world that's how to you know destroy the world that's right I mean that happens right I mean right I mean that happens right I mean right I mean that happens right I mean for people that people that are Gamers for people that people that are Gamers for people that people that are Gamers for for for those of us that actually for for for those of us that actually for for for those of us that actually play games and you play against the play games and you play against the play games and you play against the computer you can see intelligence computer you can see intelligence computer you can see intelligence improve as you improve yeah stuff has been there for a improve yeah stuff has been there for a long time right game gaming companies long time right game gaming companies long time right game gaming companies have been dabbling with uh neural have been dabbling with uh neural have been dabbling with uh neural networks and gaming NPCs forever well networks and gaming NPCs forever well networks and gaming NPCs forever well you should I did rewatch the movie War you should I did rewatch the movie War you should I did rewatch the movie War Games a few weeks ago and with Matthew Games a few weeks ago and with Matthew Games a few weeks ago and with Matthew broadrick and it's really it's a great broadrick and it's really it's a great broadrick and it's really it's a great movie first of all and it's so nostalgic movie first of all and it's so nostalgic movie first of all and it's so nostalgic but yeah it's all about their their AI but yeah it's all about their their AI but yeah it's all about their their AI computer wargaming and blah blah blah computer wargaming and blah blah blah computer wargaming and blah blah blah you know it's so preent I mean you could you know it's so preent I mean you could you know it's so preent I mean you could someone I'm surprised it hasn't been someone I'm surprised it hasn't been someone I'm surprised it hasn't been remade yet maybe it's already in the remade yet maybe it's already in the remade yet maybe it's already in the process but please don't do that yeah process but please don't do that yeah process but please don't do that yeah yeah yeah well you know here's the thing yeah yeah well you know here's the thing yeah yeah well you know here's the thing the world will Humanity will be not be the world will Humanity will be not be the world will Humanity will be not be destroyed by smart AI it'll be destroyed destroyed by smart AI it'll be destroyed destroyed by smart AI it'll be destroyed by stupid humans you know and that's by stupid humans you know and that's by stupid humans you know and that's really you know that's you can just see really you know that's you can just see really you know that's you can just see it and you know I have like severe AI it and you know I have like severe AI it and you know I have like severe AI fatigue at this at this point you know fatigue at this at this point you know fatigue at this at this point you know yeah you guys have heard me say that yeah you guys have heard me say that yeah you guys have heard me say that crazy in the past but I think we the crazy in the past but I think we the crazy in the past but I think we the thing it's very little intelligence what

thing it's very little intelligence what thing it's very little intelligence what you we do in AI right now we just feed you we do in AI right now we just feed you we do in AI right now we just feed it with human digitized cont it's it with human digitized cont it's it with human digitized cont it's machine machine machine learning and I've I've always said that learning and I've I've always said that learning and I've I've always said that I find artificial intell a very arrogant I find artificial intell a very arrogant I find artificial intell a very arrogant term from us human and I'm actually term from us human and I'm actually term from us human and I'm actually hopeful that at some point we develop a hopeful that at some point we develop a hopeful that at some point we develop a technologies that can actually become technologies that can actually become technologies that can actually become smarter or wiser than the human race in smarter or wiser than the human race in smarter or wiser than the human race in itself but it's surely not going to itself but it's surely not going to itself but it's surely not going to happen by feeding machine learning happen by feeding machine learning happen by feeding machine learning models with content we have created models with content we have created models with content we have created you're gonna get War Games if you do you're gonna get War Games if you do you're gonna get War Games if you do that I mean that I mean that I mean seriously garbage in garbage out yeah oh seriously garbage in garbage out yeah oh seriously garbage in garbage out yeah oh totally ignorance in yeah yeah yeah but totally ignorance in yeah yeah yeah but totally ignorance in yeah yeah yeah but you know you're right Demitri it is n you know you're right Demitri it is n you know you're right Demitri it is n that intelligent cuz you know as I I was that intelligent cuz you know as I I was that intelligent cuz you know as I I was watching The Press uh interact with this watching The Press uh interact with this watching The Press uh interact with this um you know um chat doll sex bot or um you know um chat doll sex bot or um you know um chat doll sex bot or whatever the hell it whatever the hell it whatever the hell it was you you realize that there is no was you you realize that there is no was you you realize that there is no intelligence here it's a completely intelligence here it's a completely intelligence here it's a completely one-way interaction do you know what I'm one-way interaction do you know what I'm one-way interaction do you know what I'm saying you're asking it questions and saying you're asking it questions and saying you're asking it questions and responding but what it never does is it responding but what it never does is it responding but what it never does is it never really asks you stuff right I mean never really asks you stuff right I mean never really asks you stuff right I mean it's not really conversational at all it's not really conversational at all it's not really conversational at all that's true that's true that's true it's still very basic but that was like it's still very basic but that was like it's still very basic but that was like you know something that I kind of you know something that I kind of you know something that I kind of realized I was just like witnessing realized I was just like witnessing realized I was just like witnessing these people just asking like really these people just asking like really these people just asking like really weird ass questions to this thing and weird ass questions to this thing and weird ass questions to this thing and getting these horrific and dist highly getting these horrific and dist highly getting these horrific and dist highly disturbing responses from this bot and disturbing responses from this bot and disturbing responses from this bot and you know the other cical thing was this

you know the other cical thing was this you know the other cical thing was this thing was like I don't know they thing was like I don't know they thing was like I don't know they programmed it or I don't know what they programmed it or I don't know what they programmed it or I don't know what they did but the thing was like moving around did but the thing was like moving around did but the thing was like moving around a little bit you know um and and um what a little bit you know um and and um what a little bit you know um and and um what the hell this oh we lost your video the hell this oh we lost your video the hell this oh we lost your video that's your video oh I I want to that's your video oh I I want to that's your video oh I I want to try yeah yeah okay so but what it ended try yeah yeah okay so but what it ended try yeah yeah okay so but what it ended up doing it ended up like U slapping um up doing it ended up like U slapping um up doing it ended up like U slapping um the CEO of this company as he's trying the CEO of this company as he's trying the CEO of this company as he's trying to ex you know kind of explain the demo to ex you know kind of explain the demo to ex you know kind of explain the demo and and then people kind of freaked out and and then people kind of freaked out and and then people kind of freaked out a little bit because you know for a a little bit because you know for a a little bit because you know for a moment people thought that this moment people thought that this moment people thought that this animatronic doll was going to attack him animatronic doll was going to attack him animatronic doll was going to attack him yeah you know it's like I mean it's just yeah you know it's like I mean it's just yeah you know it's like I mean it's just it's just a freaking circus app of robotic people are so fascinated app of robotic people are so fascinated by this stuff this and then you know I by this stuff this and then you know I by this stuff this and then you know I jokingly posted hey Walt Disney was way jokingly posted hey Walt Disney was way jokingly posted hey Walt Disney was way ahead of his time he did this crap what ahead of his time he did this crap what ahead of his time he did this crap what yeah remember a Lincoln that was a good yeah remember a Lincoln that was a good yeah remember a Lincoln that was a good one ago yeah that was that was cool one ago yeah that was that was cool one ago yeah that was that was cool right cool Hall of Presidents remember right cool Hall of Presidents remember right cool Hall of Presidents remember that one it seems like all of the all that one it seems like all of the all that one it seems like all of the all the robots that they make to look or try the robots that they make to look or try the robots that they make to look or try to act human likee those are the worst to act human likee those are the worst to act human likee those are the worst ones it's the robotics that are actually ones it's the robotics that are actually ones it's the robotics that are actually being used in plants and Manufacturing being used in plants and Manufacturing being used in plants and Manufacturing facilities that are moving items or pick facilities that are moving items or pick facilities that are moving items or pick picking items like that's the reality of picking items like that's the reality of picking items like that's the reality of where we are not robots that the where we are not robots that the where we are not robots that the humanoid robot one is it's gonna be a humanoid robot one is it's gonna be a humanoid robot one is it's gonna be a tough one it's going to be a tough one tough one it's going to be a tough one tough one it's going to be a tough one and it it gets a lot of headlines and and it it gets a lot of headlines and and it it gets a lot of headlines and it's very entertaining I think there is

it's very entertaining I think there is it's very entertaining I think there is probably there is a role there somewhere probably there is a role there somewhere probably there is a role there somewhere for humanoid robots probably not at for humanoid robots probably not at for humanoid robots probably not at trade shows making jokes but um trade shows making jokes but um trade shows making jokes but um somewhere there's there's a role for it somewhere there's there's a role for it somewhere there's there's a role for it but yeah you're right Stephanie the most but yeah you're right Stephanie the most but yeah you're right Stephanie the most of the form factors for robots are of the form factors for robots are of the form factors for robots are actually doing work don't look like actually doing work don't look like actually doing work don't look like humans and yeah isn't it is it weird we humans and yeah isn't it is it weird we humans and yeah isn't it is it weird we have all dogs we have dogs oh yes and I have all dogs we have dogs oh yes and I have all dogs we have dogs oh yes and I feel like at every conference they gotta feel like at every conference they gotta feel like at every conference they gotta have somebody has to have a robot like have somebody has to have a robot like have somebody has to have a robot like it's like oh yeah you know it's the it's like oh yeah you know it's the it's like oh yeah you know it's the gimmick on stage as well and it's it's gimmick on stage as well and it's it's gimmick on stage as well and it's it's annoying at this point yeah the CES annoying at this point yeah the CES annoying at this point yeah the CES robots are not drawing people into the robots are not drawing people into the robots are not drawing people into the booths well there was a you seen the booths well there was a you seen the booths well there was a you seen the story about the robot that we use at the story about the robot that we use at the story about the robot that we use at the the Formula One G in Saudi Arabia you've the Formula One G in Saudi Arabia you've the Formula One G in Saudi Arabia you've seen that one yes it's not true it's a seen that one yes it's not true it's a seen that one yes it's not true it's a true story but yeah that one well there true story but yeah that one well there true story but yeah that one well there was a there was a human Robert doing an was a there was a human Robert doing an was a there was a human Robert doing an interview and apparently the the Robert interview and apparently the the Robert interview and apparently the the Robert put his hand on the the journalist put his hand on the the journalist put his hand on the the journalist but and obviously my but and obviously my but and obviously my first yeah and obviously my first first yeah and obviously my first first yeah and obviously my first reaction was well he was trained with reaction was well he was trained with reaction was well he was trained with human data what did you human data what did you human data what did you expect it was a beautiful butt naughty expect it was a beautiful butt naughty expect it was a beautiful butt naughty robots well apparently it was a glitch robots well apparently it was a glitch robots well apparently it was a glitch somewhere somewhere somewhere but yeah and you have to you have to but yeah and you have to you have to but yeah and you have to you have to laugh about everything other way it's laugh about everything other way it's laugh about everything other way it's awful that's actually you have we ever awful that's actually you have we ever awful that's actually you have we ever seen an AI that's a good point when is seen an AI that's a good point when is seen an AI that's a good point when is AI GNA start AI GNA start AI GNA start laughing you see the child B laughing you see the child B laughing you see the child B laugh yeah oh that's creepy good idea

laugh yeah oh that's creepy good idea laugh yeah oh that's creepy good idea I'm scared when that I've seen chat box I'm scared when that I've seen chat box I'm scared when that I've seen chat box generate some some jokes they obviously generate some some jokes they obviously generate some some jokes they obviously can generate a lot laughing the concept can generate a lot laughing the concept can generate a lot laughing the concept of this is what we need to do we need to of this is what we need to do we need to of this is what we need to do we need to find some researcher to inject the find some researcher to inject the find some researcher to inject the concept of laugh in the chat B that's be concept of laugh in the chat B that's be concept of laugh in the chat B that's be that's that's breaching the the the that's that's breaching the the the that's that's breaching the the the point of emotion at that point right point of emotion at that point right point of emotion at that point right emotional intelligence naturally if it emotional intelligence naturally if it emotional intelligence naturally if it can if it can laugh then it can cry and can if it can laugh then it can cry and can if it can laugh then it can cry and if it can cry when it has feelings and if it can cry when it has feelings and if it can cry when it has feelings and now here we go how do you identify how now here we go how do you identify how now here we go how do you identify how do you identify and all of this other do you identify and all of this other do you identify and all of this other stuff I mean it's just at this point no stuff I mean it's just at this point no stuff I mean it's just at this point no J that's gonna that'll wait for the 8 J that's gonna that'll wait for the 8 J that's gonna that'll wait for the 8 trillion uh data point trillion uh data point trillion uh data point is a robot in a bad mood today a good is a robot in a bad mood today a good is a robot in a bad mood today a good mood today exactly is it pissed at you mood today exactly is it pissed at you mood today exactly is it pissed at you or happy with you mean now then your or happy with you mean now then your or happy with you mean now then your robot needs to wake up and have coffee robot needs to wake up and have coffee robot needs to wake up and have coffee because ex wake up needs to get going because ex wake up needs to get going because ex wake up needs to get going with us obviously we have the tagline with us obviously we have the tagline with us obviously we have the tagline for the new company if it ain't it ain't for the new company if it ain't it ain't for the new company if it ain't it ain't smart next gen AI if it ain't smart if smart next gen AI if it ain't smart if smart next gen AI if it ain't smart if the ain't KN it ain't smart there you go the ain't KN it ain't smart there you go the ain't KN it ain't smart there you go okay got it by the way speaking AI I okay got it by the way speaking AI I okay got it by the way speaking AI I thought I don't know if you saw that I thought I don't know if you saw that I thought I don't know if you saw that I guess Apple's having their event June guess Apple's having their event June guess Apple's having their event June 10th is it I think they're going to have 10th is it I think they're going to have 10th is it I think they're going to have a yeah talk about maybe the rumor is AI a yeah talk about maybe the rumor is AI a yeah talk about maybe the rumor is AI on the next you know iPhone OS update on the next you know iPhone OS update on the next you know iPhone OS update and what's happening there so it'll be and what's happening there so it'll be and what's happening there so it'll be interesting to see I think there was interesting to see I think there was interesting to see I think there was some speculation about how much some speculation about how much some speculation about how much processing speaking of on device they'll processing speaking of on device they'll processing speaking of on device they'll be doing on the device versus the cloud be doing on the device versus the cloud be doing on the device versus the cloud and so it'll be you know I think we've

and so it'll be you know I think we've and so it'll be you know I think we've seen the AI PC we've seen as as seen the AI PC we've seen as as seen the AI PC we've seen as as everyone's seen you know Leonard was everyone's seen you know Leonard was everyone's seen you know Leonard was saying AI is everywhere but Apple really saying AI is everywhere but Apple really saying AI is everywhere but Apple really is super quiet about AI so it'll be is super quiet about AI so it'll be is super quiet about AI so it'll be interesting to see their take on what uh interesting to see their take on what uh interesting to see their take on what uh what they you what they you what they you know it would be shocking many things know it would be shocking many things know it would be shocking many things happen on the sorry sorry sorry no I mean come on you sorry no I mean come on you sorry no I mean come on you know it's not like apple hasn't been in know it's not like apple hasn't been in know it's not like apple hasn't been in the game that's the most ridiculous the game that's the most ridiculous the game that's the most ridiculous thing they're the first along with fom thing they're the first along with fom thing they're the first along with fom to introduce newal processes and to introduce newal processes and to introduce newal processes and smartphone's that was in smartphone's that was in smartphone's that was in 2016 they were ahead of everybody and um 2016 they were ahead of everybody and um 2016 they were ahead of everybody and um you know they're they're not slouches in you know they're they're not slouches in you know they're they're not slouches in the ML and you know when you come the ML and you know when you come the ML and you know when you come here you know you usually don't see them here you know you usually don't see them here you know you usually don't see them in like a on a panel or anything like in like a on a panel or anything like in like a on a panel or anything like that those dudes are here you know right that those dudes are here you know right that those dudes are here you know right and they're doing meading Edge stuff and and they're doing meading Edge stuff and and they're doing meading Edge stuff and so yeah I always laugh when people say so yeah I always laugh when people say so yeah I always laugh when people say Apple's not innovating like oh God no Apple's not innovating like oh God no Apple's not innovating like oh God no you know all all this all this AI on the you know all all this all this AI on the you know all all this all this AI on the smartphone stuff is ending up being is smartphone stuff is ending up being is smartphone stuff is ending up being is is more memory and more um more uh pops is more memory and more um more uh pops is more memory and more um more uh pops for your mpu that's all it's like for your mpu that's all it's like for your mpu that's all it's like boiling down boiling down boiling down to a lot of ram lot of RAM and Pete you to a lot of ram lot of RAM and Pete you to a lot of ram lot of RAM and Pete you probably have the the frame the question probably have the the frame the question probably have the the frame the question right here because I think the question right here because I think the question right here because I think the question when it comes to Apple this is why was I

when it comes to Apple this is why was I when it comes to Apple this is why was I was saying I would be shocked if too was saying I would be shocked if too was saying I would be shocked if too many things happen on the cloud it's many things happen on the cloud it's many things happen on the cloud it's because Apple is very strong on privacy because Apple is very strong on privacy because Apple is very strong on privacy so there's things that never leave the so there's things that never leave the so there's things that never leave the device so they're probably trying my device so they're probably trying my device so they're probably trying my guess or my hope I would send my hope guess or my hope I would send my hope guess or my hope I would send my hope most my guess is that they're trying to most my guess is that they're trying to most my guess is that they're trying to find a way to actually keep the things find a way to actually keep the things find a way to actually keep the things local so you control your privacy local so you control your privacy local so you control your privacy probably I think it'll be an interesting probably I think it'll be an interesting probably I think it'll be an interesting hybrid architecture I think also they hybrid architecture I think also they hybrid architecture I think also they will be supercharging you know real will be supercharging you know real will be supercharging you know real valuable experiences with AI as opposed valuable experiences with AI as opposed valuable experiences with AI as opposed to saying it's an AI phone or anything to saying it's an AI phone or anything to saying it's an AI phone or anything like that I so I I actually appreciate like that I so I I actually appreciate like that I so I I actually appreciate Apple not sort of AI washing a lot of Apple not sort of AI washing a lot of Apple not sort of AI washing a lot of their stuff and uh agreed their stuff and uh agreed their stuff and uh agreed we'll see yeah it's it's just I think we'll see yeah it's it's just I think we'll see yeah it's it's just I think it's a matter of time that people it's a matter of time that people it's a matter of time that people realize oh well they have been doing realize oh well they have been doing realize oh well they have been doing this and then that you know this whole this and then that you know this whole this and then that you know this whole AI thing is not a big AI thing is not a big AI thing is not a big deal um because we've been doing it for deal um because we've been doing it for deal um because we've been doing it for a long time and the whole idea is a long time and the whole idea is a long time and the whole idea is running like a freaking entire you know running like a freaking entire you know running like a freaking entire you know 70 billion parameter llama 2 model on 70 billion parameter llama 2 model on 70 billion parameter llama 2 model on your your your device well you know hey let's start device well you know hey let's start device well you know hey let's start talking about compression you know and talking about compression you know and talking about compression you know and Tiny ml right that's really where a lot Tiny ml right that's really where a lot Tiny ml right that's really where a lot of the Innovation needs to go and uh is of the Innovation needs to go and uh is of the Innovation needs to go and uh is going has been going and you know going has been going and you know going has been going and you know um you know uh Apple's in the game's in um you know uh Apple's in the game's in um you know uh Apple's in the game's in the game big time I sat down uh with uh the game big time I sat down uh with uh the game big time I sat down uh with uh some of their engineering folks and they

some of their engineering folks and they some of their engineering folks and they have a long Legacy in video compression have a long Legacy in video compression have a long Legacy in video compression model compression of you know ml and I think we lost a little bit of your and I think we lost a little bit of your audio there audio there audio there sir yeah well I I'll just pick up where sir yeah well I I'll just pick up where sir yeah well I I'll just pick up where he left off I was saying oh go he left off I was saying oh go he left off I was saying oh go ahead uh that qualcom had a long history ahead uh that qualcom had a long history ahead uh that qualcom had a long history of you know npus and AI accelerated of you know npus and AI accelerated of you know npus and AI accelerated silicon they're in a great position um silicon they're in a great position um silicon they're in a great position um so well there a lot of other folks too so well there a lot of other folks too so well there a lot of other folks too but uh just got an email I got an email but uh just got an email I got an email but uh just got an email I got an email today from the arm team and it's today from the arm team and it's today from the arm team and it's essentially Renee H's commentary about essentially Renee H's commentary about essentially Renee H's commentary about power consumption and how AI is power consumption and how AI is power consumption and how AI is generating and pulling so much power and generating and pulling so much power and generating and pulling so much power and then the whole need to really start to then the whole need to really start to then the whole need to really start to focus in on energy consumption yeah when focus in on energy consumption yeah when focus in on energy consumption yeah when it comes to all of these AI tools and it comes to all of these AI tools and it comes to all of these AI tools and apps and software and whatever if it's apps and software and whatever if it's apps and software and whatever if it's on device or wherever it's being on device or wherever it's being on device or wherever it's being computed it's the power issue you talked computed it's the power issue you talked computed it's the power issue you talked about Safety and Security but also the about Safety and Security but also the about Safety and Security but also the power issue is something to be power issue is something to be power issue is something to be concerning about I think about I think concerning about I think about I think concerning about I think about I think about the iPhone and whatever they're about the iPhone and whatever they're about the iPhone and whatever they're going to be announcing if it's all if going to be announcing if it's all if going to be announcing if it's all if they're doing a lot of things on device they're doing a lot of things on device they're doing a lot of things on device I feel like we've just now reached a I feel like we've just now reached a I feel like we've just now reached a point where we could use our phone for point where we could use our phone for point where we could use our phone for the most part all day without having to the most part all day without having to the most part all day without having to worry about it yeah I that change that worry about it yeah I that change that worry about it yeah I that change that could change I don't know what they're could change I don't know what they're could change I don't know what they're going to do about all of this right well going to do about all of this right well going to do about all of this right well the good news is I think a lot of the AI the good news is I think a lot of the AI the good news is I think a lot of the AI acceleration silicon architectures are

acceleration silicon architectures are acceleration silicon architectures are designed to be pretty power efficient designed to be pretty power efficient designed to be pretty power efficient and keep you know keep that sort of in a and keep you know keep that sort of in a and keep you know keep that sort of in a more power efficient mode while the rest more power efficient mode while the rest more power efficient mode while the rest of the phone does something else so I of the phone does something else so I of the phone does something else so I think if you rent it all in the CPU think if you rent it all in the CPU think if you rent it all in the CPU obviously you'd kill your battery but obviously you'd kill your battery but obviously you'd kill your battery but we'll see yeah yeah I mean but that's in we'll see yeah yeah I mean but that's in we'll see yeah yeah I mean but that's in the that's in the in the absence of the that's in the in the absence of the that's in the in the absence of training right because the majority of training right because the majority of training right because the majority of that energy consumption happens with the that energy consumption happens with the that energy consumption happens with the training of the training of the training of the right so talking about right so talking about right so talking about personalization customization of the personalization customization of the personalization customization of the cons consumer the handset user whatever cons consumer the handset user whatever cons consumer the handset user whatever then what happens with power then what happens with power then what happens with power consumption yeah but um Bill you're consumption yeah but um Bill you're consumption yeah but um Bill you're making a really good point there so yeah making a really good point there so yeah making a really good point there so yeah I saw that I don't know if it's a news I saw that I don't know if it's a news I saw that I don't know if it's a news story or blog thing that arm but yeah story or blog thing that arm but yeah story or blog thing that arm but yeah but um you're absolutely right um bill but um you're absolutely right um bill but um you're absolutely right um bill when you when you look at this whole AI when you when you look at this whole AI when you when you look at this whole AI power efficient compute thing or power efficient compute thing or power efficient compute thing or sustainability thing you can't you can't sustainability thing you can't you can't sustainability thing you can't you can't mix The Edge stuff with the training mix The Edge stuff with the training mix The Edge stuff with the training stuff that's happening these massive you stuff that's happening these massive you stuff that's happening these massive you know super Computing data centers right know super Computing data centers right know super Computing data centers right they're two different problems you know they're two different problems you know they're two different problems you know and yeah arm plays in both of them to a and yeah arm plays in both of them to a and yeah arm plays in both of them to a certain degree but I think this is certain degree but I think this is certain degree but I think this is another a topic where people are going another a topic where people are going another a topic where people are going to get super confused just because they to get super confused just because they to get super confused just because they don't you know they either come from one don't you know they either come from one don't you know they either come from one domain they don't know the domain they don't know the domain they don't know the other and you're going to we're going to

other and you're going to we're going to other and you're going to we're going to see a lot of people just like see a lot of people just like see a lot of people just like lose their bearing you know but you lose their bearing you know but you lose their bearing you know but you you're making a great point and it's an you're making a great point and it's an you're making a great point and it's an important thing that maybe on our show important thing that maybe on our show important thing that maybe on our show we continue to reinforce and educate to we continue to reinforce and educate to we continue to reinforce and educate to our listeners because they're not the our listeners because they're not the our listeners because they're not the same freaking thing very very different same freaking thing very very different same freaking thing very very different Dynamics happening you know I mean I was say nor nor does a know I mean I was say nor nor does a consumer care about what's you know they consumer care about what's you know they consumer care about what's you know they you know they may want the personalized you know they may want the personalized you know they may want the personalized experience but they don't care about how experience but they don't care about how experience but they don't care about how that that's working on the back end they that that's working on the back end they that that's working on the back end they don't want that to impact their phone or don't want that to impact their phone or don't want that to impact their phone or their their their their their their charging charging charging habits yeah yeah and you know the other habits yeah yeah and you know the other habits yeah yeah and you know the other but you know I was sitting next to this but you know I was sitting next to this but you know I was sitting next to this gentleman he was like um talking about gentleman he was like um talking about gentleman he was like um talking about yeah he got a new uh smartphone with yeah he got a new uh smartphone with yeah he got a new uh smartphone with quote unquote AI on it and he was just quote unquote AI on it and he was just quote unquote AI on it and he was just going on and on how it was pissing him going on and on how it was pissing him going on and on how it was pissing him off all the AI stuff it's like why off all the AI stuff it's like why off all the AI stuff it's like why because he keeps suggesting things because he keeps suggesting things because he keeps suggesting things that you know um that I I don't care that you know um that I I don't care that you know um that I I don't care about at that moment it just keeps about at that moment it just keeps about at that moment it just keeps annoying me I'm like what it's yeah it annoying me I'm like what it's yeah it annoying me I'm like what it's yeah it prompts you it interrupts it interrupts prompts you it interrupts it interrupts prompts you it interrupts it interrupts what I'm trying to do if I'm writing and what I'm trying to do if I'm writing and what I'm trying to do if I'm writing and I hate it I'm like oh interesting so you I hate it I'm like oh interesting so you I hate it I'm like oh interesting so you know it goes back to this idea and know it goes back to this idea and know it goes back to this idea and notion that everyone doesn't want to notion that everyone doesn't want to notion that everyone doesn't want to talk about apparently is these things talk about apparently is these things talk about apparently is these things have to learn so to get the

have to learn so to get the have to learn so to get the personalization it has to up your life a personalization it has to up your life a personalization it has to up your life a little bitra out of you until you get little bitra out of you until you get little bitra out of you until you get pissed off at it and you correct it and pissed off at it and you correct it and pissed off at it and you correct it and the pro the question here is how much the pro the question here is how much the pro the question here is how much tolerance does someone have in tolerance does someone have in tolerance does someone have in babysitting in AI that they were told is babysitting in AI that they were told is babysitting in AI that they were told is going to change their life when it's not going to change their life when it's not going to change their life when it's not doing that during it you know during its doing that during it you know during its doing that during it you know during its learning curve and how soon will they learning curve and how soon will they learning curve and how soon will they just turn the off but but I mean just turn the off but but I mean just turn the off but but I mean but that all of that right is is but that all of that right is is but that all of that right is is behavior avior right I mean because it behavior avior right I mean because it behavior avior right I mean because it goes back to your point of why is it goes back to your point of why is it goes back to your point of why is it that these things are that these things are that these things are consistently listening right they don't consistently listening right they don't consistently listening right they don't talk back they're listening because talk back they're listening because talk back they're listening because they're learning and because they're they're learning and because they're they're learning and because they're learning they're updating their learning they're updating their learning they're updating their actions so it's a it's a closed loop actions so it's a it's a closed loop actions so it's a it's a closed loop cycle that starts with the question from cycle that starts with the question from cycle that starts with the question from you a response was that good yes no and you a response was that good yes no and you a response was that good yes no and it's just it's a continuous it's just it's a continuous it's just it's a continuous loop yeah yeah well I mean kind of kind loop yeah yeah well I mean kind of kind loop yeah yeah well I mean kind of kind of because again one of the the strong of because again one of the the strong of because again one of the the strong elimination of the technology right now elimination of the technology right now elimination of the technology right now is that it's training time and there is is that it's training time and there is is that it's training time and there is inference time and the close loop is not inference time and the close loop is not inference time and the close loop is not done so they listen to you but they not done so they listen to you but they not done so they listen to you but they not train the models back again as you speak train the models back again as you speak train the models back again as you speak so it's it's collecting training a model so it's it's collecting training a model so it's it's collecting training a model deploying the model collecting deploying deploying the model collecting deploying deploying the model collecting deploying the model so I'm like is it training at the model so I'm like is it training at the model so I'm like is it training at night while we're night while we're night while we're sleeping it's but it's not you know as sleeping it's but it's not you know as sleeping it's but it's not you know as we said training is extremely we said training is extremely we said training is extremely expensive energy so it's and that's one

expensive energy so it's and that's one expensive energy so it's and that's one of the thing that this is where we also of the thing that this is where we also of the thing that this is where we also you can actually argue that we are far you can actually argue that we are far you can actually argue that we are far from the way human works yeah because from the way human works yeah because from the way human works yeah because the the the amount of energy that is the the the amount of energy that is the the the amount of energy that is consumed to train those model compare to consumed to train those model compare to consumed to train those model compare to the 300 watt thing you have the 300 watt thing you have the 300 watt thing you have here right yeah and I wonder I wonder here right yeah and I wonder I wonder here right yeah and I wonder I wonder about the I wonder about the Privacy about the I wonder about the Privacy about the I wonder about the Privacy thing you know you know with all the thing you know you know with all the thing you know you know with all the apps that we download we're already apps that we download we're already apps that we download we're already opting into a million things and now opting into a million things and now opting into a million things and now they're just going to be popping in AI they're just going to be popping in AI they're just going to be popping in AI on anytime you update your software on anytime you update your software on anytime you update your software you've already opted in and they're you've already opted in and they're you've already opted in and they're they're listening they're you know they're listening they're you know they're listening they're you know you've already said yes right and a you've already said yes right and a you've already said yes right and a point where it will get so annoying with point where it will get so annoying with point where it will get so annoying with some users where they'll be pushing our some users where they'll be pushing our some users where they'll be pushing our government to say hey we need a priv we government to say hey we need a priv we government to say hey we need a priv we want to opt out of some of these things want to opt out of some of these things want to opt out of some of these things well yes like Debbie when she was on the well yes like Debbie when she was on the well yes like Debbie when she was on the last show talking about you know we last show talking about you know we last show talking about you know we don't have any privacy regulation and I don't have any privacy regulation and I don't have any privacy regulation and I mean no we don't this has been Thea this mean no we don't this has been Thea this mean no we don't this has been Thea this has been the case for decades I mean has been the case for decades I mean has been the case for decades I mean Facebook Google capture every single Facebook Google capture every single Facebook Google capture every single move you do on the internet and the data move you do on the internet and the data move you do on the internet and the data exists they just have to apply model to exists they just have to apply model to exists they just have to apply model to it I did a whole talk in in Finland it I did a whole talk in in Finland it I did a whole talk in in Finland about that by the way it's published on about that by the way it's published on about that by the way it's published on YouTube I I we send you the link guys YouTube I I we send you the link guys YouTube I I we send you the link guys yeah yeah we don't realize how much this yeah yeah we don't realize how much this yeah yeah we don't realize how much this data collection now connected with jna data collection now connected with jna data collection now connected with jna is going to be awful and by the way the is going to be awful and by the way the is going to be awful and by the way the the the worst actually danger is that the the worst actually danger is that the the worst actually danger is that because this data exists and now with because this data exists and now with because this data exists and now with those geni things you can actually those geni things you can actually those geni things you can actually program it just with language anybody program it just with language anybody program it just with language anybody that can access to the data can do stuff that can access to the data can do stuff that can access to the data can do stuff with it you don't PhD in Python and data

with it you don't PhD in Python and data with it you don't PhD in Python and data science to do anything like that you can science to do anything like that you can science to do anything like that you can just load the stuff into a gen model and just load the stuff into a gen model and just load the stuff into a gen model and add some ask question and we create a add some ask question and we create a add some ask question and we create a new GPT time to get a cabin in the woods new GPT time to get a cabin in the woods new GPT time to get a cabin in the woods I think with no internet I think with no internet I think with no internet conne baby well I'm like do we know conne baby well I'm like do we know conne baby well I'm like do we know they're selling our data um well I mean they're selling our data um well I mean they're selling our data um well I mean in a number of instances if you look at in a number of instances if you look at in a number of instances if you look at the latest uh privacy um policy that was the latest uh privacy um policy that was the latest uh privacy um policy that was published the the public public published the the public public published the the public public information that's out there is not information that's out there is not information that's out there is not included so if your public information included so if your public information included so if your public information is out there which all of ours is it's is out there which all of ours is it's is out there which all of ours is it's not included in that privacy um policy not included in that privacy um policy not included in that privacy um policy so it can be accessed and as and as so it can be accessed and as and as so it can be accessed and as and as Demetri mentioned it can be used but the Demetri mentioned it can be used but the Demetri mentioned it can be used but the the larger the larger part around around the larger the larger part around around the larger the larger part around around that for me is is is we're we're coming that for me is is is we're we're coming that for me is is is we're we're coming over the top and trying to apply over the top and trying to apply over the top and trying to apply policies to horses that have already policies to horses that have already policies to horses that have already left the stable yeah it's wor than left the stable yeah it's wor than left the stable yeah it's wor than that's a great great point it's not even that's a great great point it's not even that's a great great point it's not even forward thinking because I think I forward thinking because I think I forward thinking because I think I mentioned that in the past but think mentioned that in the past but think mentioned that in the past but think about it this way you know the right to about it this way you know the right to about it this way you know the right to be forgotten that exist in those privacy be forgotten that exist in those privacy be forgotten that exist in those privacy legislation does that mean that they're legislation does that mean that they're legislation does that mean that they're going to have to detrain old models that going to have to detrain old models that going to have to detrain old models that use your data when you said a good yeah use your data when you said a good yeah use your data when you said a good yeah there was a and this is where it becomes there was a and this is where it becomes there was a and this is where it becomes worse because gen as you know is very worse because gen as you know is very worse because gen as you know is very good at doing summaries so you can take good at doing summaries so you can take good at doing summaries so you can take Dimitri data run that into gen get the

Dimitri data run that into gen get the Dimitri data run that into gen get the substance and say oh sorry Dimitri I'm substance and say oh sorry Dimitri I'm substance and say oh sorry Dimitri I'm deleting your data but I'm keeping the deleting your data but I'm keeping the deleting your data but I'm keeping the substance so the problem is a derivative substance so the problem is a derivative substance so the problem is a derivative of the data value and if we don't think of the data value and if we don't think of the data value and if we don't think derivatives the same way we haven't derivatives the same way we haven't derivatives the same way we haven't thought about financials we're g to get thought about financials we're g to get thought about financials we're g to get the time of Crisis we had in the past the time of Crisis we had in the past the time of Crisis we had in the past it's a very good analogy actually it's a very good analogy actually it's a very good analogy actually derivatives of data compared to derivatives of data compared to derivatives of data compared to derivative in finance that created some derivative in finance that created some derivative in finance that created some of the awful crisis we had in the past of the awful crisis we had in the past of the awful crisis we had in the past looks like uh Leonard standing in front looks like uh Leonard standing in front looks like uh Leonard standing in front of something interesting I don't know of something interesting I don't know of something interesting I don't know what is oh no these guys have like I what is oh no these guys have like I what is oh no these guys have like I mean literally they're producing their mean literally they're producing their mean literally they're producing their own like freaking Dune movie here and own like freaking Dune movie here and own like freaking Dune movie here and they just got a blue screen there right they just got a blue screen there right they just got a blue screen there right why not these called uh Sky glass yeah why not these called uh Sky glass yeah why not these called uh Sky glass yeah I'll talk to you later on a I'll talk to you later on a I'll talk to you later on a podcast crap wor he said this podcast crap wor he said this podcast crap wor he said this crap sorry it's really cool stuff right crap sorry it's really cool stuff right crap sorry it's really cool stuff right like see he's smiling he's not bad he's like see he's smiling he's not bad he's like see he's smiling he's not bad he's not mad like that AI robot thing he's not mad like that AI robot thing he's not mad like that AI robot thing he's not gonna slap you he's not gonna slap not gonna slap you he's not gonna slap not gonna slap you he's not gonna slap me know he has such a big smile on his me know he has such a big smile on his me know he has such a big smile on his face I think he's gonna kiss me so face I think he's gonna kiss me so face I think he's gonna kiss me so he's there you go oh my gosh he just had he's there you go oh my gosh he just had he's there you go oh my gosh he just had a booth visitor he was excited lots of a booth visitor he was excited lots of a booth visitor he was excited lots of things to play with oh my god well no things to play with oh my god well no things to play with oh my god well no that that's pretty dope that's like that that's pretty dope that's like that that's pretty dope that's like freaking ridiculous right need a blue freaking ridiculous right need a blue freaking ridiculous right need a blue screen a bunch of funny looking costumes screen a bunch of funny looking costumes screen a bunch of funny looking costumes and then you have gener ey like generate and then you have gener ey like generate and then you have gener ey like generate a a crappy background for you that a a crappy background for you that a a crappy background for you that sounds like a when I was a teenager sounds like a when I was a teenager sounds like a when I was a teenager that's that that awesome an awesome

that's that that awesome an awesome that's that that awesome an awesome Sunday afternoon right there yeah remake Sunday afternoon right there yeah remake Sunday afternoon right there yeah remake you imagine when you're a kid dude when you imagine when you're a kid dude when you imagine when you're a kid dude when I was when I was like eight years old I was when I was like eight years old I was when I was like eight years old after I saw Star Wars my I wanted to after I saw Star Wars my I wanted to after I saw Star Wars my I wanted to make my own Star Wars movie right can make my own Star Wars movie right can make my own Star Wars movie right can you you know kids can do that now it's you you know kids can do that now it's you you know kids can do that now it's crazy I know you know what I'm saying crazy I know you know what I'm saying crazy I know you know what I'm saying and then they're making it so easy you and then they're making it so easy you and then they're making it so easy you don't have to just swing the broomstick don't have to just swing the broomstick don't have to just swing the broomstick around in the garage and pretend it's a around in the garage and pretend it's a around in the garage and pretend it's a lightsaber you know lightsaber you know lightsaber you know exactly there you go yeah well it's not exactly there you go yeah well it's not exactly there you go yeah well it's not yeah exactly the broom stick not the yeah exactly the broom stick not the yeah exactly the broom stick not the entire broom right you got to take the entire broom right you got to take the entire broom right you got to take the the bristles yeah sure off yeah the bristles yeah sure off yeah the bristles yeah sure off yeah so a lot of cool stuff I think it's so a lot of cool stuff I think it's so a lot of cool stuff I think it's fantastic like you said for creatives fantastic like you said for creatives fantastic like you said for creatives you know the all the equipment that they you know the all the equipment that they you know the all the equipment that they can play with today and kids and um you can play with today and kids and um you can play with today and kids and um you know and obviously it enables you know know and obviously it enables you know know and obviously it enables you know the problem is when you enable everyone the problem is when you enable everyone the problem is when you enable everyone to be their own TV channel you get what to be their own TV channel you get what to be their own TV channel you get what you get right uh that's the challenge um you get right uh that's the challenge um you get right uh that's the challenge um a lot but at least you know the a lot but at least you know the a lot but at least you know the state-of-the-art is becoming pretty state-of-the-art is becoming pretty state-of-the-art is becoming pretty impressive in terms of being able to impressive in terms of being able to impressive in terms of being able to capture and produce and and create U capture and produce and and create U capture and produce and and create U which is fantastic so yeah and actually which is fantastic so yeah and actually which is fantastic so yeah and actually the point Pete is that it's not just the the point Pete is that it's not just the the point Pete is that it's not just the state-of thee art is that you know for a state-of thee art is that you know for a state-of thee art is that you know for a reasonably low budget now you have the reasonably low budget now you have the reasonably low budget now you have the ability to to to to express your ability to to to to express your ability to to to to express your creativity if there is creativity creativity if there is creativity creativity if there is creativity stupidity too but but and that's part of stupidity too but but and that's part of stupidity too but but and that's part of the deal right you know so no but it's the deal right you know so no but it's the deal right you know so no but it's great I'm all for freedom of speech so great I'm all for freedom of speech so great I'm all for freedom of speech so way back of the uh back to the AI way back of the uh back to the AI way back of the uh back to the AI training to topic there's all this news training to topic there's all this news training to topic there's all this news and the around copyrighted material that

and the around copyrighted material that and the around copyrighted material that was used to train a lot of these big AI was used to train a lot of these big AI was used to train a lot of these big AI models and so to your point Demitri models and so to your point Demitri models and so to your point Demitri about unwinding some of the training I about unwinding some of the training I about unwinding some of the training I mean you know who knows what may happen mean you know who knows what may happen mean you know who knows what may happen in the future if certain lawsuits happen in the future if certain lawsuits happen in the future if certain lawsuits happen and things people are found to like you and things people are found to like you and things people are found to like you know need to kind of unwind some things know need to kind of unwind some things know need to kind of unwind some things but I think you know training on your but I think you know training on your but I think you know training on your data training on your personal data data training on your personal data data training on your personal data training on your data that you own is training on your data that you own is training on your data that you own is going to be an important aspect moving going to be an important aspect moving going to be an important aspect moving forward for people using sure yeah you forward for people using sure yeah you forward for people using sure yeah you know it's a complicated topic know it's a complicated topic know it's a complicated topic because my my you know the my because my my you know the my because my my you know the my continuously arguing mind said okay so continuously arguing mind said okay so continuously arguing mind said okay so then everybody that wrote a book that then everybody that wrote a book that then everybody that wrote a book that gave you an idea is gonna ask some money gave you an idea is gonna ask some money gave you an idea is gonna ask some money of that idea so you know it's a fine of that idea so you know it's a fine of that idea so you know it's a fine line of line of line of what what is not what is copyright and what what is not what is copyright and what what is not what is copyright and there is a risk that everything becomes there is a risk that everything becomes there is a risk that everything becomes copyright in the world so you're G have copyright in the world so you're G have copyright in the world so you're G have to be very smart about that which I'm to be very smart about that which I'm to be very smart about that which I'm not very optimistic about true true yeah not very optimistic about true true yeah not very optimistic about true true yeah very interesting yeah but I think the very interesting yeah but I think the very interesting yeah but I think the the transparent or the audited you know the transparent or the audited you know the transparent or the audited you know transparent nature of where the data transparent nature of where the data transparent nature of where the data comes from and how the model was trained comes from and how the model was trained comes from and how the model was trained is going to become really a requirement is going to become really a requirement is going to become really a requirement and not just best practice but oh yeah and not just best practice but oh yeah and not just best practice but oh yeah totally traceability is a very important totally traceability is a very important totally traceability is a very important I mean then people can decide what I mean then people can decide what I mean then people can decide what they're doing with it and what they're they're doing with it and what they're they're doing with it and what they're buying and what they're using and how buying and what they're using and how buying and what they're using and how they're deploying it right right now if they're deploying it right right now if they're deploying it right right now if it's we don't know then then you just it's we don't know then then you just it's we don't know then then you just like you said it's a black box and like you said it's a black box and like you said it's a black box and ability auditability ability auditability ability auditability transparency but this is going changes transparency but this is going changes transparency but this is going changes in our societies as well just Just One

in our societies as well just Just One in our societies as well just Just One Last point on Leonard on this one Last point on Leonard on this one Last point on Leonard on this one because one one topic that I I saw because one one topic that I I saw because one one topic that I I saw recently P that is related to that is I recently P that is related to that is I recently P that is related to that is I saw this article somewhere saying that saw this article somewhere saying that saw this article somewhere saying that you know 80% of student work is now ai you know 80% of student work is now ai you know 80% of student work is now ai based and the reaction is we have to based and the reaction is we have to based and the reaction is we have to prevent that and my reaction was no we prevent that and my reaction was no we prevent that and my reaction was no we have to change the way we measure have to change the way we measure have to change the way we measure students and maybe meing students on students and maybe meing students on students and maybe meing students on rewrite writing essays about things that rewrite writing essays about things that rewrite writing essays about things that have been sold for decades or centuries have been sold for decades or centuries have been sold for decades or centuries is not such a good idea we have to ask is not such a good idea we have to ask is not such a good idea we have to ask them to work on more bring back the oral them to work on more bring back the oral them to work on more bring back the oral exam where they stand in front of the exam where they stand in front of the exam where they stand in front of the class and answer yeah and and ask them class and answer yeah and and ask them class and answer yeah and and ask them to solve new problems as opposed to to solve new problems as opposed to to solve new problems as opposed to repeat existing problems that an can repeat existing problems that an can repeat existing problems that an can repeat and that's one thing to me that repeat and that's one thing to me that repeat and that's one thing to me that you know we don't realize on the power you know we don't realize on the power you know we don't realize on the power of AI the power of those so-call AI is of AI the power of those so-call AI is of AI the power of those so-call AI is that whatever has been discovered today that whatever has been discovered today that whatever has been discovered today you can have access very quickly very you can have access very quickly very you can have access very quickly very easily assuming the data is right so it easily assuming the data is right so it easily assuming the data is right so it should be a great to should be a great to should be a great to to so we can fundamentally change the to so we can fundamentally change the to so we can fundamentally change the way way way weate weate weate depends yeah what was that I you were depends yeah what was that I you were depends yeah what was that I you were standing in front of an interesting car standing in front of an interesting car standing in front of an interesting car before with some gear on it yeah that before with some gear on it yeah that before with some gear on it yeah that that's the DJ DJI Booth so those are all that's the DJ DJI Booth so those are all that's the DJ DJI Booth so those are all the rigs and camera systems that they the rigs and camera systems that they the rigs and camera systems that they have for cinematography everyone thinks have for cinematography everyone thinks have for cinematography everyone thinks that they do that they do that they do these drones for spying on you know your these drones for spying on you know your these drones for spying on you know your neighborhood pool but no they're big here your entire here your entire neighborhood a SP on your on your neighborhood a SP on your on your neighborhood a SP on your on your neighbor jacuzzi

neighbor jacuzzi neighbor jacuzzi drone yeah you know you you gotta put drone yeah you know you you gotta put drone yeah you know you you gotta put little yeah you know you got to put one little yeah you know you got to put one little yeah you know you got to put one of those like uh covers over your of those like uh covers over your of those like uh covers over your pool we have around our neighborhood man pool we have around our neighborhood man pool we have around our neighborhood man it's like freaking creepy as hell man it's like freaking creepy as hell man it's like freaking creepy as hell man you walk out and then there's this like you walk out and then there's this like you walk out and then there's this like drone floating you know maybe about 200 drone floating you know maybe about 200 drone floating you know maybe about 200 ft above you and it's like what the hell ft above you and it's like what the hell ft above you and it's like what the hell yeah no you need an Iron Dome for pools yeah no you need an Iron Dome for pools yeah no you need an Iron Dome for pools I think that's a good consumer product I think that's a good consumer product I think that's a good consumer product you can sell that everybody Spa their you can sell that everybody Spa their you can sell that everybody Spa their own anti-aircraft you know own anti-aircraft you know own anti-aircraft you know system she's a good business new system she's a good business new system she's a good business new business to at the endcap at Walmart you know for to at the endcap at Walmart you know for $49 you can you know set it's easy just $49 you can you know set it's easy just $49 you can you know set it's easy just go get the gun and shoot the thing well go get the gun and shoot the thing well go get the gun and shoot the thing well you don't even do that you just you just you don't even do that you just you just you don't even do that you just you just apply a turret that's AI governed and apply a turret that's AI governed and apply a turret that's AI governed and the minute yeah sure what could go wrong the minute yeah sure what could go wrong the minute yeah sure what could go wrong you know AI powered turret gun you know you know AI powered turret gun you know you know AI powered turret gun you know yeah you know why yeah you know why yeah you know why not I mean like with my husband who not I mean like with my husband who not I mean like with my husband who flies helicopters he has to get permits flies helicopters he has to get permits flies helicopters he has to get permits to fly over certain ranches and I'm like to fly over certain ranches and I'm like to fly over certain ranches and I'm like so he was always like well when are they so he was always like well when are they so he was always like well when are they going to do this with you know when is going to do this with you know when is going to do this with you know when is the FAA going to step in and start doing the FAA going to step in and start doing the FAA going to step in and start doing way more with the drones because you way more with the drones because you way more with the drones because you know they got I mean some of them have know they got I mean some of them have know they got I mean some of them have to get registered and all these things to get registered and all these things to get registered and all these things but there's so many consumer ones that but there's so many consumer ones that but there's so many consumer ones that are being sold like they're enforce it are being sold like they're enforce it are being sold like they're enforce it enforce it why some drones drones have enforce it why some drones drones have enforce it why some drones drones have the commercial drones for personal use the commercial drones for personal use the commercial drones for personal use have GPS systems that they tell you

have GPS systems that they tell you have GPS systems that they tell you actually they can't fly in some area actually they can't fly in some area actually they can't fly in some area they have some uh yeah walls I mean they have some uh yeah walls I mean they have some uh yeah walls I mean there's no fly zon fences yeah oh yeah there's no fly zon fences yeah oh yeah there's no fly zon fences yeah oh yeah we have it down in Massachusetts the we have it down in Massachusetts the we have it down in Massachusetts the yeah on the National Seashore there he yeah on the National Seashore there he yeah on the National Seashore there he can't fly drones so right now I don't can't fly drones so right now I don't can't fly drones so right now I don't know if it's actually hardcoded but it's know if it's actually hardcoded but it's know if it's actually hardcoded but it's it's certainly against the regulation so it's certainly against the regulation so it's certainly against the regulation so if you're on the beach there and you see if you're on the beach there and you see if you're on the beach there and you see a drone people are like they freak out a drone people are like they freak out a drone people are like they freak out and can't do and can't do and can't do that the whole drone thing is like proof that the whole drone thing is like proof that the whole drone thing is like proof that you really need to do your that you really need to do your that you really need to do your homeworking before you put together a homeworking before you put together a homeworking before you put together a forecast predicting that drones are forecast predicting that drones are forecast predicting that drones are going to be the next good playing you going to be the next good playing you going to be the next good playing you know next good jillion dollar know next good jillion dollar know next good jillion dollar opportunity right this is a cool that opportunity right this is a cool that opportunity right this is a cool that man they have so much cool stuff look man they have so much cool stuff look man they have so much cool stuff look like some cool gear down there man like some cool gear down there man like some cool gear down there man seriously yeah but hey I wanted to I seriously yeah but hey I wanted to I seriously yeah but hey I wanted to I wanted to go back to Bill's comment wanted to go back to Bill's comment wanted to go back to Bill's comment about you know um you know our privacy about you know um you know our privacy about you know um you know our privacy or private or custo you know personal or private or custo you know personal or private or custo you know personal data is already out there uh and you data is already out there uh and you data is already out there uh and you know it's not I don't think it should know it's not I don't think it should know it's not I don't think it should the mentality shouldn't be giving up I the mentality shouldn't be giving up I the mentality shouldn't be giving up I think well it's too late like a lot of think well it's too late like a lot of think well it's too late like a lot of people say think oh privacy who cares people say think oh privacy who cares people say think oh privacy who cares it's already out there it's nothing you it's already out there it's nothing you it's already out there it's nothing you do about it it's like well what about do about it it's like well what about do about it it's like well what about doing something about it and doing that doing something about it and doing that doing something about it and doing that would require everyone to reset there would require everyone to reset there would require everyone to reset there thinking about what the solution would thinking about what the solution would thinking about what the solution would be right and and a lot of that is just be right and and a lot of that is just be right and and a lot of that is just acknowledging the problem number one acknowledging the problem number one acknowledging the problem number one because we have a lot of deniers out because we have a lot of deniers out because we have a lot of deniers out there who just have given up right

there who just have given up right there who just have given up right number two you have to think through number two you have to think through number two you have to think through okay how do we how do we isolate the key okay how do we how do we isolate the key okay how do we how do we isolate the key issue that we need to tackle in order to issue that we need to tackle in order to issue that we need to tackle in order to get to a a solution given the current get to a a solution given the current get to a a solution given the current situation right which is yeah it's situation right which is yeah it's situation right which is yeah it's pretty bad but a future without like pretty bad but a future without like pretty bad but a future without like some command of privacy man that that's some command of privacy man that that's some command of privacy man that that's like freaking right yeah it's very very like freaking right yeah it's very very like freaking right yeah it's very very disturbing yeah I mean how does that disturbing yeah I mean how does that disturbing yeah I mean how does that make us different from like China you make us different from like China you make us different from like China you know the only difference is we have know the only difference is we have know the only difference is we have corporations that are dictating a lot of corporations that are dictating a lot of corporations that are dictating a lot of they're controlling everything because they're controlling everything because they're controlling everything because think about what marketing is about think about what marketing is about think about what marketing is about these days how do these days how do these days how do we how do we monitor people's um lives we how do we monitor people's um lives we how do we monitor people's um lives understanding intent and then control understanding intent and then control understanding intent and then control the outcome if there's an event or a the outcome if there's an event or a the outcome if there's an event or a trigger for something to happen right trigger for something to happen right trigger for something to happen right it's all about it's all about it's all about control and so how does that make us control and so how does that make us control and so how does that make us difference so you know as a Democratic difference so you know as a Democratic difference so you know as a Democratic Society or you know one that uh you know Society or you know one that uh you know Society or you know one that uh you know counts that we don't espouse dictatorial counts that we don't espouse dictatorial counts that we don't espouse dictatorial or you know these non-democratic or you know these non-democratic or you know these non-democratic principles guess what we got we got some principles guess what we got we got some principles guess what we got we got some freaking serious work to do and giving freaking serious work to do and giving freaking serious work to do and giving up on privacy is not a good first step up on privacy is not a good first step up on privacy is not a good first step you can't you can't give up on it I mean you can't you can't give up on it I mean you can't you can't give up on it I mean and the thing about it though is that and the thing about it though is that and the thing about it though is that you're going to have a faction of of the you're going to have a faction of of the you're going to have a faction of of the populace that just really says you know populace that just really says you know populace that just really says you know what I really don't have the energy to what I really don't have the energy to what I really don't have the energy to fight this so go fight it for me yeah

fight this so go fight it for me yeah fight this so go fight it for me yeah that's that's fine and you know you give that's that's fine and you know you give that's that's fine and you know you give people the ability to opt in or opt out people the ability to opt in or opt out people the ability to opt in or opt out and have transparency and make choices and have transparency and make choices and have transparency and make choices monetization and people will do what monetization and people will do what monetization and people will do what they want to do if they want to sell they want to do if they want to sell they want to do if they want to sell their information in exchange for some their information in exchange for some their information in exchange for some goods and services then they can do that goods and services then they can do that goods and services then they can do that at least at least it's on the open up at least at least it's on the open up at least at least it's on the open up and it's not a surprise so yeah but but and it's not a surprise so yeah but but and it's not a surprise so yeah but but consent is an illusion because you lose consent is an illusion because you lose consent is an illusion because you lose control of that I mean guys we use apps control of that I mean guys we use apps control of that I mean guys we use apps to figure out if we pay a subscription to figure out if we pay a subscription to figure out if we pay a subscription twice a month so do you think remember twice a month so do you think remember twice a month so do you think remember where who you give consent and where who you give consent and where who you give consent and especially when in the world of you can especially when in the world of you can especially when in the world of you can come up with an app for that yeah there come up with an app for that yeah there come up with an app for that yeah there you probably actually you get it from you probably actually you get it from you probably actually you get it from Norton all the time you get it from Norton all the time you get it from Norton all the time you get it from Norton all the time say here's all this Norton all the time say here's all this Norton all the time say here's all this here here's all your information on the here here's all your information on the here here's all your information on the dark web there you go $29 a month I dark web there you go $29 a month I dark web there you go $29 a month I don't remember subscribing to it but but don't remember subscribing to it but but don't remember subscribing to it but but you make the problem worse Leon because you make the problem worse Leon because you make the problem worse Leon because what people don't realize is those apps what people don't realize is those apps what people don't realize is those apps that tells them you're paying twice for that tells them you're paying twice for that tells them you're paying twice for Netflix actually collect all the Netflix actually collect all the Netflix actually collect all the information about all the transaction so information about all the transaction so information about all the transaction so they they actually they are less they they actually they are less they they actually they are less protected after the app runs before the protected after the app runs before the protected after the app runs before the app has run even more data about them app has run even more data about them app has run even more data about them that has been suck out of so it's it's that has been suck out of so it's it's that has been suck out of so it's it's at least you know where the Chuck point at least you know where the Chuck point at least you know where the Chuck point is right you know where the point of is right you know where the point of is right you know where the point of accountability is and that's the thing accountability is and that's the thing accountability is and that's the thing but then you know you the companies that but then you know you the companies that but then you know you the companies that have true purpose right and come to have true purpose right and come to have true purpose right and come to Market with a legitimate solution for Market with a legitimate solution for Market with a legitimate solution for privacy you shouldn't filfy them which privacy you shouldn't filfy them which privacy you shouldn't filfy them which is one of the really funny things that I is one of the really funny things that I is one of the really funny things that I think about you know how you know the do think about you know how you know the do think about you know how you know the do the what do you call it the Department the what do you call it the Department the what do you call it the Department of Justice is coming at Apple saying you

of Justice is coming at Apple saying you of Justice is coming at Apple saying you guys are used privacy as an excuse It's guys are used privacy as an excuse It's guys are used privacy as an excuse It's like well no for the most part they like well no for the most part they like well no for the most part they designed their products with privacy in designed their products with privacy in designed their products with privacy in mind they could prove it versus other mind they could prove it versus other mind they could prove it versus other brands why are you killing why are you brands why are you killing why are you brands why are you killing why are you giving them a hard time time not giving giving them a hard time time not giving giving them a hard time time not giving other companies that don't put privacy other companies that don't put privacy other companies that don't put privacy uh in mind don't reflect that in their uh in mind don't reflect that in their uh in mind don't reflect that in their products and the way they deliver products and the way they deliver products and the way they deliver Services why are you giving them a free Services why are you giving them a free Services why are you giving them a free pass you know and so it's almost like pass you know and so it's almost like pass you know and so it's almost like maybe I don't know and and same goes maybe I don't know and and same goes maybe I don't know and and same goes with bom the these guys invest tons in with bom the these guys invest tons in with bom the these guys invest tons in trusted privacy stuff on device no one trusted privacy stuff on device no one trusted privacy stuff on device no one gives a crap about it and uh and you gives a crap about it and uh and you gives a crap about it and uh and you know these are companies that you know know these are companies that you know know these are companies that you know are kind of championing privacy are kind of championing privacy are kind of championing privacy why are you guys tearing them down and why are you guys tearing them down and why are you guys tearing them down and that I don't get especially Regulators that I don't get especially Regulators that I don't get especially Regulators right that is really weird I know we're right that is really weird I know we're right that is really weird I know we're getting over time but my one one of my getting over time but my one one of my getting over time but my one one of my you know position when I I I made that you know position when I I I made that you know position when I I I made that talk about you know danger of democracy talk about you know danger of democracy talk about you know danger of democracy only for democracies for data ni is that only for democracies for data ni is that only for democracies for data ni is that it will have to go to a deeper level it will have to go to a deeper level it will have to go to a deeper level than just regulation it will have to be than just regulation it will have to be than just regulation it will have to be at the level of constitutions because it at the level of constitutions because it at the level of constitutions because it should have a constitutional right like should have a constitutional right like should have a constitutional right like a human right data if you don't do that a human right data if you don't do that a human right data if you don't do that it would always be patch on top of it it would always be patch on top of it it would always be patch on top of it so well I'd like to say Leonard I'm glad so well I'd like to say Leonard I'm glad so well I'd like to say Leonard I'm glad I'm not at that show because I think I I'm not at that show because I think I I'm not at that show because I think I would really blow my budget on kind of would really blow my budget on kind of would really blow my budget on kind of cool gear and all kinds of other stuff cool gear and all kinds of other stuff cool gear and all kinds of other stuff oh my god dude anybody would blow their oh my god dude anybody would blow their oh my god dude anybody would blow their budget just buying one freaking thing budget just buying one freaking thing budget just buying one freaking thing you know how expensive these pieces of

you know how expensive these pieces of you know how expensive these pieces of equipment are oh my equipment are oh my equipment are oh my God if you go to over to the black magic God if you go to over to the black magic God if you go to over to the black magic black magic uh black magic uh black magic uh designs freaking C qus are ridiculously designs freaking C qus are ridiculously designs freaking C qus are ridiculously expensive see how much do you think this expensive see how much do you think this expensive see how much do you think this thing costs whoa yeah there you go too thing costs whoa yeah there you go too thing costs whoa yeah there you go too much that's the new iot Coffee Talk much that's the new iot Coffee Talk much that's the new iot Coffee Talk studio right there you know yeah there studio right there you know yeah there studio right there you know yeah there you go yeah that's what we'll upgrade to you go yeah that's what we'll upgrade to you go yeah that's what we'll upgrade to when we hit like a million a gajillion when we hit like a million a gajillion when we hit like a million a gajillion viewers viewers viewers yeah all right who wants to take us out well let's see I I'll do it I'll do out well let's see I I'll do it I'll do it all right so you have uh now suffered it all right so you have uh now suffered it all right so you have uh now suffered through yet another iot coffee talk uh through yet another iot coffee talk uh through yet another iot coffee talk uh episode um with Leonard on the move with episode um with Leonard on the move with episode um with Leonard on the move with all the coolest gear in the world and we all the coolest gear in the world and we all the coolest gear in the world and we had such a wide getting everybody had such a wide getting everybody had such a wide getting everybody discussion we're all dizzy and envious discussion we're all dizzy and envious discussion we're all dizzy and envious of all the cool stuff there but um of all the cool stuff there but um of all the cool stuff there but um because we're all geeking out on the on because we're all geeking out on the on because we're all geeking out on the on the gear but it's been great uh the gear but it's been great uh the gear but it's been great uh conversation uh keep in mind Elevate our conversation uh keep in mind Elevate our conversation uh keep in mind Elevate our kids is uh is the charity that we are kids is uh is the charity that we are kids is uh is the charity that we are working toward which is helping kids working toward which is helping kids working toward which is helping kids Bridge the digital Equity divide so go Bridge the digital Equity divide so go Bridge the digital Equity divide so go to elevar kids.org to make sure you to elevar kids.org to make sure you to elevar kids.org to make sure you contribute and support the mission um contribute and support the mission um contribute and support the mission um T-shirt get a T-shirt and you can get a T-shirt get a T-shirt and you can get a T-shirt get a T-shirt and you can get a t-shirt cool gear and all kinds of stuff t-shirt cool gear and all kinds of stuff t-shirt cool gear and all kinds of stuff so please do that as well subscribe tell so please do that as well subscribe tell so please do that as well subscribe tell your friends tell your friends to tell your friends tell your friends to tell your friends tell your friends to tell some friends and uh we'll get to that some friends and uh we'll get to that some friends and uh we'll get to that Jillian we need we basically need to get Jillian we need we basically need to get Jillian we need we basically need to get you know upgrade this like high studio you know upgrade this like high studio you know upgrade this like high studio quality gear that Leonard's looking at

quality gear that Leonard's looking at quality gear that Leonard's looking at here so we need to we need more viewers here so we need to we need more viewers here so we need to we need more viewers we want we want funds to buy exactly and we want we want funds to buy exactly and we want we want funds to buy exactly and until next time prot protect your until next time prot protect your until next time prot protect your privacy protect your privacy yeah privacy protect your privacy yeah privacy protect your privacy yeah protect the Privacy follow your data protect the Privacy follow your data protect the Privacy follow your data protect your privacy like you protect protect your privacy like you protect protect your privacy like you protect your your your private yes please and on that note okay fix it in post yeah well note okay fix it in post yeah well actually it's true so anyway all all actually it's true so anyway all all actually it's true so anyway all all right see you guys