IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 281 - How to Beat AI (The Critical Thinking Episode)

Yeah, man. Doctor feel good Yeah, man. Doctor feel good rock and roll heavy metal. rock and roll heavy metal. rock and roll heavy metal. >> I like I like the way Ditri was uh >> I like I like the way Ditri was uh >> I like I like the way Ditri was uh holding the the lighter and I was using holding the the lighter and I was using holding the the lighter and I was using the modern phone light for that. the modern phone light for that. the modern phone light for that. >> You have to keep the traditions. I mean >> You have to keep the traditions. I mean >> You have to keep the traditions. I mean >> you do. You do. You're right. I don't >> you do. You do. You're right. I don't >> you do. You do. You're right. I don't smoke though. No lighter here. smoke though. No lighter here. smoke though. No lighter here. >> Me neither. Very >> Debbie. Oh my >> Debbie. Oh my >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Oh my god. Awesome. We get the real >> Oh my god. Awesome. We get the real >> Oh my god. Awesome. We get the real Debbie, not Debbie, not Debbie, not >> Yeah. She's I was I was con I was >> Yeah. She's I was I was con I was >> Yeah. She's I was I was con I was convinced she was an AI because we never convinced she was an AI because we never convinced she was an AI because we never saw her live. So saw her live. So saw her live. So >> Well, I know that she isn't. It's just >> Well, I know that she isn't. It's just >> Well, I know that she isn't. It's just um um um >> Oh my gosh, you look great. >> Oh my gosh, you look great. >> Oh my gosh, you look great. >> Thank you. Oh, I'm happy to be here. >> Thank you. Oh, I'm happy to be here. >> Thank you. Oh, I'm happy to be here. Sorry I wasn't Sorry I wasn't Sorry I wasn't >> good morning. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> I missed a couple couple weeks and so >> I missed a couple couple weeks and so >> I missed a couple couple weeks and so happy to be here in person. happy to be here in person. happy to be here in person. >> Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's awesome. >> Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's awesome. >> Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's awesome. >> Um, you know, but you have you have to >> Um, you know, but you have you have to >> Um, you know, but you have you have to comply with the dress code.

comply with the dress code. comply with the dress code. >> Oh. Oh my god. Totally casual. >> Yeah. There we go. There we go, >> Yeah. There we go. There we go, >> man. Much better. >> man. Much better. >> man. Much better. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's wonderful. Hey. So, how's it That's wonderful. Hey. So, how's it That's wonderful. Hey. So, how's it going, guys? going, guys? going, guys? >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. Well, >> Good. Well, >> Good. Well, >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> From Amsterdam. >> From Amsterdam. >> From Amsterdam. >> And I were in Amsterdam. We had a nice >> And I were in Amsterdam. We had a nice >> And I were in Amsterdam. We had a nice meal there, right at that fancy meal there, right at that fancy meal there, right at that fancy restaurant. restaurant. restaurant. >> Oh, that was good. That was a good one. >> Oh, that was good. That was a good one. >> Oh, that was good. That was a good one. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> That was a good one. >> That was a good one. >> That was a good one. >> What was the name? Truff Truffle. >> What was the name? Truff Truffle. >> What was the name? Truff Truffle. >> Tr O E F in Amsterdam. If anyone's uh >> Tr O E F in Amsterdam. If anyone's uh >> Tr O E F in Amsterdam. If anyone's uh >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Oh, they have a lot of good restaurants >> Oh, they have a lot of good restaurants >> Oh, they have a lot of good restaurants there. there. there. >> Amsterdam. >> Amsterdam. >> Amsterdam. >> It was a great event. The things >> It was a great event. The things >> It was a great event. The things conference. Mark was there. There's conference. Mark was there. There's conference. Mark was there. There's Mark. Mark. Mark. >> Mark. Uh, >> Mark. Uh, >> Mark. Uh, >> we had the whole gang there and uh, >> we had the whole gang there and uh, >> we had the whole gang there and uh, well, not the whole gang, but well, not the whole gang, but well, not the whole gang, but >> 50% 50% >> 50% 50% >> 50% 50% >> of the gang. >> of the gang. >> of the gang. >> Uh, >> Uh, >> Uh, >> oh no, Percentage just went down. >> oh no, Percentage just went down. >> oh no, Percentage just went down. >> Wow, this is a huge crew. >> Wow, this is a huge crew. >> Wow, this is a huge crew. >> Oh, David was there. Yeah. So, we're >> Oh, David was there. Yeah. So, we're >> Oh, David was there. Yeah. So, we're talking about Amsterdam. talking about Amsterdam. talking about Amsterdam. >> Well, that was last week's episode, >> Well, that was last week's episode, >> Well, that was last week's episode, right? So, yeah.

right? So, yeah. right? So, yeah. >> Uh, let let's let's welcome everyone >> Uh, let let's let's welcome everyone >> Uh, let let's let's welcome everyone this to the IoT Coffee Talk Show. How's this to the IoT Coffee Talk Show. How's this to the IoT Coffee Talk Show. How's everyone doing? And uh um welcome and everyone doing? And uh um welcome and everyone doing? And uh um welcome and remember we're here just to have fun. Uh remember we're here just to have fun. Uh remember we're here just to have fun. Uh take us seriously at your own peril. take us seriously at your own peril. take us seriously at your own peril. Remember to take out insurance if you go Remember to take out insurance if you go Remember to take out insurance if you go any further than this point because you any further than this point because you any further than this point because you know all the liabilities on you and we know all the liabilities on you and we know all the liabilities on you and we get dangerous. We get dangerous like get dangerous. We get dangerous like get dangerous. We get dangerous like Michael Jackson dangerous. So Michael Jackson dangerous. So Michael Jackson dangerous. So >> good luck finding an insurance. >> good luck finding an insurance. >> good luck finding an insurance. >> That's right. We're about to get >> That's right. We're about to get >> That's right. We're about to get ridiculous up in here. So, um, yeah, but ridiculous up in here. So, um, yeah, but ridiculous up in here. So, um, yeah, but enjoy because you know what the look at enjoy because you know what the look at enjoy because you know what the look at the people that's on that are on here. the people that's on that are on here. the people that's on that are on here. These are like the leaders of IoT These are like the leaders of IoT These are like the leaders of IoT thought leadership. And it's amazing how thought leadership. And it's amazing how thought leadership. And it's amazing how much influence we have on this show. And much influence we have on this show. And much influence we have on this show. And what I mean by influence is the thought what I mean by influence is the thought what I mean by influence is the thought leadership influence. And it's great all leadership influence. And it's great all leadership influence. And it's great all every week, you know, to jump on and every week, you know, to jump on and every week, you know, to jump on and hang out with you guys. And it's weird hang out with you guys. And it's weird hang out with you guys. And it's weird this we're we're going on six years, this we're we're going on six years, this we're we're going on six years, guys. And I I don't think anyone sees guys. And I I don't think anyone sees guys. And I I don't think anyone sees the end of this thing, right? And and so the end of this thing, right? And and so the end of this thing, right? And and so it's pretty remarkable that we been we it's pretty remarkable that we been we it's pretty remarkable that we been we just constantly and continuously and just constantly and continuously and just constantly and continuously and consistently jump on every week. So uh consistently jump on every week. So uh consistently jump on every week. So uh hopefully the uh audience continues to hopefully the uh audience continues to hopefully the uh audience continues to get value out of this, but you have to get value out of this, but you have to get value out of this, but you have to mind for it because there's a lot of mind for it because there's a lot of mind for it because there's a lot of ridiculousness ridiculousness ridiculousness in between each like nugget and you know in between each like nugget and you know in between each like nugget and you know things have to build up to that insight.

things have to build up to that insight. things have to build up to that insight. you know, we don't just like this is not you know, we don't just like this is not you know, we don't just like this is not like a five minute or two second Tik Tok like a five minute or two second Tik Tok like a five minute or two second Tik Tok video. Um, this is long form and um, you video. Um, this is long form and um, you video. Um, this is long form and um, you know, we we let you suffer. know, we we let you suffer. know, we we let you suffer. >> This is a 30 second Tik Tok video. >> This is a 30 second Tik Tok video. >> This is a 30 second Tik Tok video. >> Well, it's it's real life. You have to >> Well, it's it's real life. You have to >> Well, it's it's real life. You have to do the work and and find the right thing do the work and and find the right thing do the work and and find the right thing for the wrong things. for the wrong things. for the wrong things. >> Invest the time. >> Invest the time. >> Invest the time. >> Real life, not Tik Tok metaverse. >> Real life, not Tik Tok metaverse. >> Real life, not Tik Tok metaverse. >> Yeah. Think about it. You know, think >> Yeah. Think about it. You know, think >> Yeah. Think about it. You know, think about how much money people could have about how much money people could have about how much money people could have saved. How much effort have they just saved. How much effort have they just saved. How much effort have they just like freaking listened to the show? I like freaking listened to the show? I like freaking listened to the show? I mean yeah but but to your point mean yeah but but to your point mean yeah but but to your point previously how much money they could previously how much money they could previously how much money they could have lost if they had invested in things have lost if they had invested in things have lost if they had invested in things we told them we told them we told them >> or no but you know but even um you know >> or no but you know but even um you know >> or no but you know but even um you know focus areas like areas of focus like one focus areas like areas of focus like one focus areas like areas of focus like one of the things that really resonated with of the things that really resonated with of the things that really resonated with me from last week's episode and by the me from last week's episode and by the me from last week's episode and by the way you guys did a great job and it was way you guys did a great job and it was way you guys did a great job and it was wonderful to have David take the helm wonderful to have David take the helm wonderful to have David take the helm and talk a lot Um but and talk a lot Um but and talk a lot Um but you know it it it it's everything that you know it it it it's everything that you know it it it it's everything that we've been talking about before. It's we've been talking about before. It's we've been talking about before. It's it's solutions, right? Moving toward it's solutions, right? Moving toward it's solutions, right? Moving toward solving problems is not just looking at solving problems is not just looking at solving problems is not just looking at connectivity or one particular connectivity or one particular connectivity or one particular technology. It's looking holistically at technology. It's looking holistically at technology. It's looking holistically at solving problems. And so um solving problems. And so um solving problems. And so um >> speaking of solving problems, >> speaking of solving problems, >> speaking of solving problems, by the way, by the way, by the way, >> what microphone? Speaking of >> what microphone? Speaking of >> what microphone? Speaking of >> No, you didn't.

>> No, you didn't. >> No, you didn't. >> Still sounds like Does it? >> Still sounds like Does it? >> Still sounds like Does it? >> Yeah. I have no idea why because you >> Yeah. I have no idea why because you >> Yeah. I have no idea why because you usually sound really awesome, you know, usually sound really awesome, you know, usually sound really awesome, you know, like way too awesome. like way too awesome. like way too awesome. >> Oh, I know why. Okay, hold on. >> Oh, I know why. Okay, hold on. >> Oh, I know why. Okay, hold on. >> Cuz you not activated your filters and >> Cuz you not activated your filters and >> Cuz you not activated your filters and small. small. small. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> there you go. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> I think you were using a computer mic. >> I think you were using a computer mic. >> I think you were using a computer mic. >> No, I had I had the old cuz my I had my >> No, I had I had the old cuz my I had my >> No, I had I had the old cuz my I had my backup microphone working. Now I have my backup microphone working. Now I have my backup microphone working. Now I have my real microphone working. So real microphone working. So real microphone working. So >> there you go. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> Yes, we need that radio voice. >> Yes, we need that radio voice. >> Yes, we need that radio voice. Everybody has a radio voice on this Everybody has a radio voice on this Everybody has a radio voice on this show. It's ridiculous. So show. It's ridiculous. So show. It's ridiculous. So >> the way the way I think about it is I >> the way the way I think about it is I >> the way the way I think about it is I think we we're trying to bring back a think we we're trying to bring back a think we we're trying to bring back a lost art called critical thinking in lost art called critical thinking in lost art called critical thinking in this world. That's the that's the this world. That's the that's the this world. That's the that's the reality. So reality. So reality. So >> critical what? >> critical what? >> critical what? >> Thinking. >> Thinking. >> Thinking. >> But no, I I know I know Pete I know Pete >> But no, I I know I know Pete I know Pete >> But no, I I know I know Pete I know Pete that some you think that some AI on the that some you think that some AI on the that some you think that some AI on the edge is going to take that over. But edge is going to take that over. But edge is going to take that over. But >> is that a Gemini thing? >> is that a Gemini thing? >> is that a Gemini thing? Um, Um, Um, >> well, that's an interesting thing, Pete.

>> well, that's an interesting thing, Pete. >> well, that's an interesting thing, Pete. How can AI at the edge bring that How can AI at the edge bring that How can AI at the edge bring that critical thinking back critical thinking back critical thinking back >> maybe >> maybe >> maybe >> by give us the information? >> by give us the information? >> by give us the information? It's It's It's >> like the mixture of experts, right? You >> like the mixture of experts, right? You >> like the mixture of experts, right? You need an AI. You need your AI to sort of need an AI. You need your AI to sort of need an AI. You need your AI to sort of counteract the blood of the other AIS. counteract the blood of the other AIS. counteract the blood of the other AIS. >> How can it how can it bring thinking >> How can it how can it bring thinking >> How can it how can it bring thinking back if it hasn't done it in the first back if it hasn't done it in the first back if it hasn't done it in the first place properly? place properly? place properly? >> Well, we we mess things up first, right? >> Well, we we mess things up first, right? >> Well, we we mess things up first, right? And then we figure it out. But that's And then we figure it out. But that's And then we figure it out. But that's the problem is the problem that people the problem is the problem that people the problem is the problem that people are expecting those things to do the are expecting those things to do the are expecting those things to do the hard critical thinking world in our hard critical thinking world in our hard critical thinking world in our place as opposed to use the AI as a place as opposed to use the AI as a place as opposed to use the AI as a resources and assistant technique does resources and assistant technique does resources and assistant technique does critical that's the biggest problem I critical that's the biggest problem I critical that's the biggest problem I see actually and you can if you follow a see actually and you can if you follow a see actually and you can if you follow a little bit some of the little bit some of the little bit some of the >> so-called influencer that talk about >> so-called influencer that talk about >> so-called influencer that talk about prompts and things like that that's prompts and things like that that's prompts and things like that that's actually what I'm seeing happening actually what I'm seeing happening actually what I'm seeing happening because people just oh they pay just because people just oh they pay just because people just oh they pay just just write a little prompt and expect just write a little prompt and expect just write a little prompt and expect the thing to give them great answers no the thing to give them great answers no the thing to give them great answers no it doesn't Well, I don't know if you saw it doesn't Well, I don't know if you saw it doesn't Well, I don't know if you saw the news this past week, but uh there the news this past week, but uh there the news this past week, but uh there was a news story that I posted about the was a news story that I posted about the was a news story that I posted about the Google Gemini, speaking of Google Google Gemini, speaking of Google Google Gemini, speaking of Google Gemini, was filtering the results. So, Gemini, was filtering the results. So, Gemini, was filtering the results. So, if you went to Google and asked if, and if you went to Google and asked if, and if you went to Google and asked if, and I don't want to get political, but if I don't want to get political, but if I don't want to get political, but if you asked if Donald Trump had dementia, you asked if Donald Trump had dementia, you asked if Donald Trump had dementia, it would not give you an answer. It it would not give you an answer. It it would not give you an answer. It would just give a series of links. If would just give a series of links. If would just give a series of links. If you asked if Bill Clinton had dementia, you asked if Bill Clinton had dementia, you asked if Bill Clinton had dementia, it would give you an answer. And so what it would give you an answer. And so what it would give you an answer. And so what they were saying was that Google had they were saying was that Google had they were saying was that Google had kind of tweaked the responses of Gemini.

kind of tweaked the responses of Gemini. kind of tweaked the responses of Gemini. Uh and so the question is like whose LLM Uh and so the question is like whose LLM Uh and so the question is like whose LLM are you using? Who's how is that being are you using? Who's how is that being are you using? Who's how is that being filtered? You know, how is that being filtered? You know, how is that being filtered? You know, how is that being trained? And so now we need, trained? And so now we need, trained? And so now we need, >> you know, I want I mean that's why I was >> you know, I want I mean that's why I was >> you know, I want I mean that's why I was saying I need my edge AI agent or you saying I need my edge AI agent or you saying I need my edge AI agent or you know AI to sort of know AI to sort of know AI to sort of >> to make sure that what I'm seeing out >> to make sure that what I'm seeing out >> to make sure that what I'm seeing out there is actually accurate. But we're there is actually accurate. But we're there is actually accurate. But we're already starting to see the twisting of already starting to see the twisting of already starting to see the twisting of the twisting of the results of these the twisting of the results of these the twisting of the results of these language. language. language. >> This is why I've been I've been saying >> This is why I've been I've been saying >> This is why I've been I've been saying several times I think already on the several times I think already on the several times I think already on the show is that we we are always one train show is that we we are always one train show is that we we are always one train or or one whatever gigantic train behind or or one whatever gigantic train behind or or one whatever gigantic train behind when it comes to regulation and when it comes to regulation and when it comes to regulation and transparency because the issue is that transparency because the issue is that transparency because the issue is that none of the system discloses the system none of the system discloses the system none of the system discloses the system prompt and they iterate around and prompt and they iterate around and prompt and they iterate around and that's that's the first thing we can ask that's that's the first thing we can ask that's that's the first thing we can ask is disclose the system prompt. It's not is disclose the system prompt. It's not is disclose the system prompt. It's not about the data anymore now because the about the data anymore now because the about the data anymore now because the data is gone already. all the data is data is gone already. all the data is data is gone already. all the data is been stolen from everybody. So the been stolen from everybody. So the been stolen from everybody. So the question is now what are the layers we question is now what are the layers we question is now what are the layers we put around those models so that people put around those models so that people put around those models so that people can actually judge yes I want to use can actually judge yes I want to use can actually judge yes I want to use this model because I want to hear these this model because I want to hear these this model because I want to hear these or I don't want to use this model I or I don't want to use this model I or I don't want to use this model I don't want to hear this and by the way don't want to hear this and by the way don't want to hear this and by the way it's not the model that is interesting it's not the model that is interesting it's not the model that is interesting part to me I think for for education in part to me I think for for education in part to me I think for for education in the in the show as well because the core the in the show as well because the core the in the show as well because the core model will give you the answer it's the model will give you the answer it's the model will give you the answer it's the pre-prompt and the postprompt that is pre-prompt and the postprompt that is pre-prompt and the postprompt that is really feeding back in the loop of the really feeding back in the loop of the really feeding back in the loop of the model that make the censorship the core model that make the censorship the core model that make the censorship the core model is not trained model is not trained model is not trained >> clearly I don't think the core almost >> clearly I don't think the core almost >> clearly I don't think the core almost filtering.

filtering. filtering. >> Yeah. Well, to bring it back LA a higher >> Yeah. Well, to bring it back LA a higher >> Yeah. Well, to bring it back LA a higher uh uh sorry Debbie uh we've seen Musk uh uh sorry Debbie uh we've seen Musk uh uh sorry Debbie uh we've seen Musk directly ask a question to Grock and he directly ask a question to Grock and he directly ask a question to Grock and he doesn't like the answer and he basically doesn't like the answer and he basically doesn't like the answer and he basically says oh I got to retweet says oh I got to retweet says oh I got to retweet >> the big >> the big >> the big >> like what are you doing where it's like >> like what are you doing where it's like >> like what are you doing where it's like okay like we we we get it. So, I think okay like we we we get it. So, I think okay like we we we get it. So, I think if anyone is expecting uh anything but if anyone is expecting uh anything but if anyone is expecting uh anything but this to happen, uh their head has been this to happen, uh their head has been this to happen, uh their head has been in a dark place for a long time at this in a dark place for a long time at this in a dark place for a long time at this point. point. point. >> By the way, David, are you in the men's >> By the way, David, are you in the men's >> By the way, David, are you in the men's room there? Cuz I don't think that's a room there? Cuz I don't think that's a room there? Cuz I don't think that's a safe place to record. Someone can walk safe place to record. Someone can walk safe place to record. Someone can walk in there at any time and use that men's in there at any time and use that men's in there at any time and use that men's room. So, room. So, room. So, >> I hope not. Uh it's just we're doing a >> I hope not. Uh it's just we're doing a >> I hope not. Uh it's just we're doing a little bit of remodeling and this is the little bit of remodeling and this is the little bit of remodeling and this is the only place where the wife is. only place where the wife is. only place where the wife is. >> Oh, jeez. Wow. >> Oh, jeez. Wow. >> Oh, jeez. Wow. Amazing. This is the longest period of Amazing. This is the longest period of Amazing. This is the longest period of time where Rob has said nothing, by the time where Rob has said nothing, by the time where Rob has said nothing, by the way. way. way. >> Which is illegal. And look at his hair. >> Which is illegal. And look at his hair. >> Which is illegal. And look at his hair. >> No, that's the thing. The man >> No, that's the thing. The man >> No, that's the thing. The man >> he just walked out of the spa. He just >> he just walked out of the spa. He just >> he just walked out of the spa. He just walked out of his wellness day. I mean, walked out of his wellness day. I mean, walked out of his wellness day. I mean, that's him.

that's him. that's him. >> Look at this guy. >> Look at this guy. >> Look at this guy. >> Manicured, pedicured, quafty. >> Manicured, pedicured, quafty. >> Manicured, pedicured, quafty. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> I love it. I love it. Yeah. here for >> I love it. I love it. Yeah. here for >> I love it. I love it. Yeah. here for you. you. you. >> I think the internet what I tell people >> I think the internet what I tell people >> I think the internet what I tell people about the internet is that the people about the internet is that the people about the internet is that the people think about the internet as like a think about the internet as like a think about the internet as like a library where you go in you have all library where you go in you have all library where you go in you have all these sections, but really the internet these sections, but really the internet these sections, but really the internet is a library that's created for you, is a library that's created for you, is a library that's created for you, right? And so you can't see all the right? And so you can't see all the right? And so you can't see all the sections, you only see what they give sections, you only see what they give sections, you only see what they give you. And so what AI is doing is adding you. And so what AI is doing is adding you. And so what AI is doing is adding another layer onto that where it's even another layer onto that where it's even another layer onto that where it's even narrowing what you can see. So if that narrowing what you can see. So if that narrowing what you can see. So if that is your lens, you're never going to see is your lens, you're never going to see is your lens, you're never going to see everything. So I think that's what they everything. So I think that's what they everything. So I think that's what they really want you to do is, you know, they really want you to do is, you know, they really want you to do is, you know, they want you to not click through links or want you to not click through links or want you to not click through links or whatever. So they say, "Okay, if I can whatever. So they say, "Okay, if I can whatever. So they say, "Okay, if I can give you this quick answer, and maybe give you this quick answer, and maybe give you this quick answer, and maybe it's fine if you were trying to find out it's fine if you were trying to find out it's fine if you were trying to find out how many ounces are in a cup or how many ounces are in a cup or how many ounces are in a cup or something like that, or you know what something like that, or you know what something like that, or you know what you need to add to a macaroni salad or you need to add to a macaroni salad or you need to add to a macaroni salad or something, but like if you're really something, but like if you're really something, but like if you're really looking to do research, you can't really looking to do research, you can't really looking to do research, you can't really rely on those things because they have rely on those things because they have rely on those things because they have their own uh their own uh their own uh incentives to to steer you in one way or incentives to to steer you in one way or incentives to to steer you in one way or another. And if you're not really another. And if you're not really another. And if you're not really thinking, um, then you'll take those thinking, um, then you'll take those thinking, um, then you'll take those paths without really looking. So for me, paths without really looking. So for me, paths without really looking. So for me, I've always wanted the most unfiltered I've always wanted the most unfiltered I've always wanted the most unfiltered way to be able to look at stuff because way to be able to look at stuff because way to be able to look at stuff because tell show me everything and then let me tell show me everything and then let me tell show me everything and then let me choose how I want to curate or how I choose how I want to curate or how I choose how I want to curate or how I want to do things. So want to do things. So want to do things. So >> yeah, my thought it's even it's even >> yeah, my thought it's even it's even >> yeah, my thought it's even it's even deeper it's even deeper than that

deeper it's even deeper than that deeper it's even deeper than that because if you think about it the some because if you think about it the some because if you think about it the some of the first level of control was kind of the first level of control was kind of the first level of control was kind of the the great China firewall. So of the the great China firewall. So of the the great China firewall. So there was trying to block the things. there was trying to block the things. there was trying to block the things. Now it's from the inside because it's in Now it's from the inside because it's in Now it's from the inside because it's in the tools themselves that you use to to the tools themselves that you use to to the tools themselves that you use to to crawl the information. The LLM is crawl the information. The LLM is crawl the information. The LLM is basically you know sensoring from the basically you know sensoring from the basically you know sensoring from the inside which is even worse and it scales inside which is even worse and it scales inside which is even worse and it scales much much better than putting a walls or much much better than putting a walls or much much better than putting a walls or or fire 451 you know the idea of burning or fire 451 you know the idea of burning or fire 451 you know the idea of burning the books. We start we try to burn the the books. We start we try to burn the the books. We start we try to burn the books and we try to put walls around the books and we try to put walls around the books and we try to put walls around the information and now it's just deep information and now it's just deep information and now it's just deep inside the engine. So it's very inside the engine. So it's very inside the engine. So it's very concerning if you really think about it. concerning if you really think about it. concerning if you really think about it. Well, remember Well, remember Well, remember >> this is why >> this is why >> this is why >> you burn the books, then you find who's >> you burn the books, then you find who's >> you burn the books, then you find who's got books left, and then you find who's got books left, and then you find who's got books left, and then you find who's staring at the book that's left at the staring at the book that's left at the staring at the book that's left at the library, and you take him out, too. library, and you take him out, too. library, and you take him out, too. >> Is that like the book of Eli or >> Is that like the book of Eli or >> Is that like the book of Eli or whatever? whatever? whatever? >> Denzel, >> Denzel, >> Denzel, he's referencing to Fahrenheit 451. he's referencing to Fahrenheit 451. he's referencing to Fahrenheit 451. Rayberry. Yep. Ray Bradberry. Yep. Yep.

Rayberry. Yep. Ray Bradberry. Yep. Yep. Rayberry. Yep. Ray Bradberry. Yep. Yep. Good stuff. So, this is why I Good stuff. So, this is why I Good stuff. So, this is why I exclusively just exclusively just exclusively just browse the dark web instead of this browse the dark web instead of this browse the dark web instead of this other web that you guys are using. It's other web that you guys are using. It's other web that you guys are using. It's unfiltered unfiltered unfiltered >> and probably >> and probably >> and probably >> you just have to know a lot of IP >> you just have to know a lot of IP >> you just have to know a lot of IP addresses and stuff. addresses and stuff. addresses and stuff. >> Yeah, I think credit card my credit card >> Yeah, I think credit card my credit card >> Yeah, I think credit card my credit card number. number. number. >> I have a slightly I have a slightly >> I have a slightly I have a slightly >> I have a slightly I have a slightly different perspective. I think u back to different perspective. I think u back to different perspective. I think u back to what De was saying critical thinking is what De was saying critical thinking is what De was saying critical thinking is critical. uh and the tools I I would critical. uh and the tools I I would critical. uh and the tools I I would argue that they were giving us an even argue that they were giving us an even argue that they were giving us an even broader access to information than in broader access to information than in broader access to information than in the past. Like in the past you would go the past. Like in the past you would go the past. Like in the past you would go to your local library, you would read to your local library, you would read to your local library, you would read the newspaper that would be even more the newspaper that would be even more the newspaper that would be even more filtered because it was limited in the filtered because it was limited in the filtered because it was limited in the amount of information you had access to. amount of information you had access to. amount of information you had access to. Like now we have access to news that are Like now we have access to news that are Like now we have access to news that are coming from Africa, from India, from all coming from Africa, from India, from all coming from Africa, from India, from all around the world that you didn't have around the world that you didn't have around the world that you didn't have access to because it was just not access to because it was just not access to because it was just not available to you unless you were going available to you unless you were going available to you unless you were going somewhere physically to get that somewhere physically to get that somewhere physically to get that information. So the internet is is in a information. So the internet is is in a information. So the internet is is in a biased way because it's driven by um you biased way because it's driven by um you biased way because it's driven by um you know by revenue by companies were trying know by revenue by companies were trying know by revenue by companies were trying to force you to click on things. But to force you to click on things. But to force you to click on things. But your critical thinking is at play here your critical thinking is at play here your critical thinking is at play here if you have it and and well click if you have it and and well click if you have it and and well click through and fight the ads and and through and fight the ads and and through and fight the ads and and eventually work with regulators to make eventually work with regulators to make eventually work with regulators to make sure that you can have access to sure that you can have access to sure that you can have access to information if you really want to then information if you really want to then information if you really want to then you have access to more information. Now you have access to more information. Now you have access to more information. Now AI in my view can be used I'm not saying AI in my view can be used I'm not saying AI in my view can be used I'm not saying that it is all the time but can be used that it is all the time but can be used that it is all the time but can be used to filter that out even better for

to filter that out even better for to filter that out even better for yourself in in in like if you use your yourself in in in like if you use your yourself in in in like if you use your critical thinking if you go and search critical thinking if you go and search critical thinking if you go and search for it not just take things for granted for it not just take things for granted for it not just take things for granted or as they're given to you but use the or as they're given to you but use the or as they're given to you but use the tool to go search more hey like ask tool to go search more hey like ask tool to go search more hey like ask questions well but what about this like questions well but what about this like questions well but what about this like you know Trump doesn't have dementia but you know Trump doesn't have dementia but you know Trump doesn't have dementia but what about you know articles that are what about you know articles that are what about you know articles that are talking about it and can you show me the talking about it and can you show me the talking about it and can you show me the bias that they have from the political bias that they have from the political bias that they have from the political ical standpoint. Granu is great for ical standpoint. Granu is great for ical standpoint. Granu is great for that. For example, that. For example, that. For example, >> great tool that tries and mark what is >> great tool that tries and mark what is >> great tool that tries and mark what is his and gives you that information. And his and gives you that information. And his and gives you that information. And by the way, I I don't have any states by the way, I I don't have any states by the way, I I don't have any states whatever, but grand is is a great tool whatever, but grand is is a great tool whatever, but grand is is a great tool for for for >> starting to look at news feeds from the >> starting to look at news feeds from the >> starting to look at news feeds from the opposite side of your aisle and that you opposite side of your aisle and that you opposite side of your aisle and that you open your eyes on some things you're open your eyes on some things you're open your eyes on some things you're just like, "Oh, wait a second. If that's just like, "Oh, wait a second. If that's just like, "Oh, wait a second. If that's what they're reading as news, then I what they're reading as news, then I what they're reading as news, then I understand better what you're saying understand better what you're saying understand better what you're saying that." uh and and vice versa. So that's that." uh and and vice versa. So that's that." uh and and vice versa. So that's something that critical thinking um you something that critical thinking um you something that critical thinking um you know should not be taken away and and we know should not be taken away and and we know should not be taken away and and we should fight for that rather than fight should fight for that rather than fight should fight for that rather than fight the tools. The tools I think can be the tools. The tools I think can be the tools. The tools I think can be great if they're used properly.

great if they're used properly. great if they're used properly. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that was that was actually my point. >> that was that was actually my point. >> that was that was actually my point. Yeah, if if they're used properly. Yeah, if if they're used properly. Yeah, if if they're used properly. Because if I take your analogy of back Because if I take your analogy of back Because if I take your analogy of back in the day reading the newspaper, maybe in the day reading the newspaper, maybe in the day reading the newspaper, maybe you didn't have too many newspapers you didn't have too many newspapers you didn't have too many newspapers available, but the model was different available, but the model was different available, but the model was different in that you probably wanted to write in that you probably wanted to write in that you probably wanted to write things that were intellectually things that were intellectually things that were intellectually appealing, that were factbased, appealing, that were factbased, appealing, that were factbased, and were not delivering an opinion, and were not delivering an opinion, and were not delivering an opinion, which is very different, right? I can which is very different, right? I can which is very different, right? I can write. I saw this. I went to this write. I saw this. I went to this write. I saw this. I went to this restaurant and I thought this restaurant restaurant and I thought this restaurant restaurant and I thought this restaurant was great. And they're very different. was great. And they're very different. was great. And they're very different. And with the exception of Debbie who's And with the exception of Debbie who's And with the exception of Debbie who's like 25 years old, the rest of us are like 25 years old, the rest of us are like 25 years old, the rest of us are really old. We come from that age where, really old. We come from that age where, really old. We come from that age where, you know, you were reading and things you know, you were reading and things you know, you were reading and things were again fact-based, not opinion were again fact-based, not opinion were again fact-based, not opinion based, and and we trained our critical based, and and we trained our critical based, and and we trained our critical thinking, good or bad. Now, that's to be thinking, good or bad. Now, that's to be thinking, good or bad. Now, that's to be debated. But I I I think a lot of those debated. But I I I think a lot of those debated. But I I I think a lot of those tools that we trained ourselves on are tools that we trained ourselves on are tools that we trained ourselves on are they are still available today but they they are still available today but they they are still available today but they look really different to young people.

look really different to young people. look really different to young people. If I ask you know a teenager how they If I ask you know a teenager how they If I ask you know a teenager how they consume news if they do they just go I consume news if they do they just go I consume news if they do they just go I don't know I just go to my local don't know I just go to my local don't know I just go to my local newspaper. Well do youare uh no why newspaper. Well do youare uh no why newspaper. Well do youare uh no why would I do that? So, so anyway, just would I do that? So, so anyway, just would I do that? So, so anyway, just wanted to since Mark left, I had to wanted to since Mark left, I had to wanted to since Mark left, I had to disagree slightly with someone here. So, disagree slightly with someone here. So, disagree slightly with someone here. So, I I picked on you all cuz I miss and I'm I I picked on you all cuz I miss and I'm I I picked on you all cuz I miss and I'm sorry. sorry. sorry. >> No, don't be sorry. Don't be sorry. And >> No, don't be sorry. Don't be sorry. And >> No, don't be sorry. Don't be sorry. And actually, I I have three teenagers at actually, I I have three teenagers at actually, I I have three teenagers at home. So, I I can agree with you in the home. So, I I can agree with you in the home. So, I I can agree with you in the fact that what is given to them is fact that what is given to them is fact that what is given to them is entertainment. And as teenagers, your entertainment. And as teenagers, your entertainment. And as teenagers, your brain is not is not built yet for, you brain is not is not built yet for, you brain is not is not built yet for, you know, being critical. But it's our role know, being critical. But it's our role know, being critical. But it's our role as parents to teach them. So I as parents to teach them. So I as parents to teach them. So I introduced like grand news and I telling introduced like grand news and I telling introduced like grand news and I telling them that hey I'm listen listening to my them that hey I'm listen listening to my them that hey I'm listen listening to my 15 minutes of Reuters news in the 15 minutes of Reuters news in the 15 minutes of Reuters news in the morning because I don't want to read all morning because I don't want to read all morning because I don't want to read all the rest and and I just want to the rest and and I just want to the rest and and I just want to have a a perspective that is like from have a a perspective that is like from have a a perspective that is like from an outsider objective or or to be indic an outsider objective or or to be indic an outsider objective or or to be indic to have an indication of how biased that to have an indication of how biased that to have an indication of how biased that news is. The information is still news is. The information is still news is. The information is still interesting interesting interesting >> but it's our role as parent. My point is >> but it's our role as parent. My point is >> but it's our role as parent. My point is to say it's our role as parents to to say it's our role as parents to to say it's our role as parents to educate them. And the other thing is educate them. And the other thing is educate them. And the other thing is regulations. But let me take another regulations. But let me take another regulations. But let me take another analogy. Driving cars. Cars are faster analogy. Driving cars. Cars are faster analogy. Driving cars. Cars are faster than the the speed limits.

than the the speed limits. than the the speed limits. Why? You know because well, you know Why? You know because well, you know Why? You know because well, you know what? We we sometimes want to go a bit what? We we sometimes want to go a bit what? We we sometimes want to go a bit higher than the the speed limit or we higher than the the speed limit or we higher than the the speed limit or we can go on a track or whatnot. Um you're can go on a track or whatnot. Um you're can go on a track or whatnot. Um you're given a permit to drive and you've been given a permit to drive and you've been given a permit to drive and you've been tested after being trained to use that tested after being trained to use that tested after being trained to use that car, right? So you're less dangerous. car, right? So you're less dangerous. car, right? So you're less dangerous. You can still kill someone, right? Is You can still kill someone, right? Is You can still kill someone, right? Is this what they're talking about? >> No. Ground >> No. Ground >> ground news. Ground news. >> ground news. Ground news. >> ground news. Ground news. >> Yeah. Yeah. That was the That was the >> Yeah. Yeah. That was the That was the >> Yeah. Yeah. That was the That was the analogy to the car. I think it's super analogy to the car. I think it's super analogy to the car. I think it's super important because you're given tools. important because you're given tools. important because you're given tools. You can go like do stupid things with it You can go like do stupid things with it You can go like do stupid things with it or you can use it by the rules for what or you can use it by the rules for what or you can use it by the rules for what it's been designed for, which is it's been designed for, which is it's been designed for, which is bringing you from A to B. Um and and do bringing you from A to B. Um and and do bringing you from A to B. Um and and do it in efficient way, comfortable way and it in efficient way, comfortable way and it in efficient way, comfortable way and so on. So, so on. So, so on. So, >> I don't know. No, I mean like it's our >> I don't know. No, I mean like it's our >> I don't know. No, I mean like it's our role to educate. It's also our role to role to educate. It's also our role to role to educate. It's also our role to try and push regulations so that there try and push regulations so that there try and push regulations so that there are boundaries and there are guidelines are boundaries and there are guidelines are boundaries and there are guidelines um and and accept that these boundaries um and and accept that these boundaries um and and accept that these boundaries and guidelines are set uh in a and guidelines are set uh in a and guidelines are set uh in a democratic way uh and u and just abide democratic way uh and u and just abide democratic way uh and u and just abide by them.

by them. by them. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I think we we're in agreement totally >> I think we we're in agreement totally >> I think we we're in agreement totally like that. The challenge we're facing is like that. The challenge we're facing is like that. The challenge we're facing is that those system by nature of being that those system by nature of being that those system by nature of being digital scales in terms of control and digital scales in terms of control and digital scales in terms of control and us our parents do not scale in term of us our parents do not scale in term of us our parents do not scale in term of injecting critical thinking. That's the injecting critical thinking. That's the injecting critical thinking. That's the problem that because yes in an ideal I problem that because yes in an ideal I problem that because yes in an ideal I mean capitalistic world of freedom where mean capitalistic world of freedom where mean capitalistic world of freedom where everybody is free and seek better and everybody is free and seek better and everybody is free and seek better and things that's fine but we and I want to things that's fine but we and I want to things that's fine but we and I want to get political here but we've seen that get political here but we've seen that get political here but we've seen that the geopolitics has changed where this the geopolitics has changed where this the geopolitics has changed where this system is actually not considered system is actually not considered system is actually not considered necessarily the best in the world. There necessarily the best in the world. There necessarily the best in the world. There are emergence of systems who have are emergence of systems who have are emergence of systems who have totally fundamentally different beliefs totally fundamentally different beliefs totally fundamentally different beliefs and the technology scales to support and the technology scales to support and the technology scales to support them in a very frightening way is my them in a very frightening way is my them in a very frightening way is my point. point. point. >> So Debbie, you were gonna say something. >> So Debbie, you were gonna say something. >> So Debbie, you were gonna say something. >> Crit critical thinking takes work. It >> Crit critical thinking takes work. It >> Crit critical thinking takes work. It takes effort. And so what everything takes effort. And so what everything takes effort. And so what everything that we're being that we're being that we're being sold is an easy button, right? So give sold is an easy button, right? So give sold is an easy button, right? So give away all your rights because instead of away all your rights because instead of away all your rights because instead of reading 80 pages, just press this button reading 80 pages, just press this button reading 80 pages, just press this button and then you get the whatever the cotton and then you get the whatever the cotton and then you get the whatever the cotton candy that's going to make your teeth candy that's going to make your teeth candy that's going to make your teeth fall out in 6 months, right? So I think, fall out in 6 months, right? So I think, fall out in 6 months, right? So I think, you know, there is a lot of you know, there is a lot of you know, there is a lot of psychological stuff at play that we deal psychological stuff at play that we deal psychological stuff at play that we deal with every day. And so, you know, I with every day. And so, you know, I with every day. And so, you know, I really like ground news. A friend of a really like ground news. A friend of a really like ground news. A friend of a lawyer friend of mine told me about that lawyer friend of mine told me about that lawyer friend of mine told me about that and I've been using it for months and it and I've been using it for months and it and I've been using it for months and it is really cool because it tells you the is really cool because it tells you the is really cool because it tells you the bias like okay you lean left or right if bias like okay you lean left or right if bias like okay you lean left or right if you want to see see left or right news you want to see see left or right news you want to see see left or right news you can it shows you a center you know you can it shows you a center you know you can it shows you a center you know it shows you all the different uh

it shows you all the different uh it shows you all the different uh locations where you can find different locations where you can find different locations where you can find different things but I think you know critical things but I think you know critical things but I think you know critical thinking is a lost art unfortunately and thinking is a lost art unfortunately and thinking is a lost art unfortunately and I I would love to see people think more I I would love to see people think more I I would love to see people think more critically because critically because critically because you know AI you these companies, they're you know AI you these companies, they're you know AI you these companies, they're going to sell you whatever. Uh, you going to sell you whatever. Uh, you going to sell you whatever. Uh, you know, to me, I've never ever seen this know, to me, I've never ever seen this know, to me, I've never ever seen this like you say about like you say about like you say about >> I love to use cars as an analogy. Uh, >> I love to use cars as an analogy. Uh, >> I love to use cars as an analogy. Uh, because I think it's a great analogy. because I think it's a great analogy. because I think it's a great analogy. Um, you know, companies can't sell cars Um, you know, companies can't sell cars Um, you know, companies can't sell cars where like the brakes don't work. You where like the brakes don't work. You where like the brakes don't work. You can't be like, "Ah, the brakes work can't be like, "Ah, the brakes work can't be like, "Ah, the brakes work sometimes and not other times, right?" sometimes and not other times, right?" sometimes and not other times, right?" But now we have technologies being sold But now we have technologies being sold But now we have technologies being sold where it's like use at your own risk. where it's like use at your own risk. where it's like use at your own risk. Like it may not be accurate. It may not Like it may not be accurate. It may not Like it may not be accurate. It may not be this and that. So we're not even be this and that. So we're not even be this and that. So we're not even accustomed to that as a society and accustomed to that as a society and accustomed to that as a society and that's like incredibly dangerous I think that's like incredibly dangerous I think that's like incredibly dangerous I think especially people don't know what those especially people don't know what those especially people don't know what those those downsides are. those downsides are. those downsides are. >> Right. Trust me. >> Right. Trust me. >> Right. Trust me. >> Well it's exactly like what I mean we >> Well it's exactly like what I mean we >> Well it's exactly like what I mean we were talking about when G chat GPT first were talking about when G chat GPT first were talking about when G chat GPT first came out the dangers of irresponsible came out the dangers of irresponsible came out the dangers of irresponsible use of these tools right and ignorant use of these tools right and ignorant use of these tools right and ignorant use of these tools. And I think there's use of these tools. And I think there's use of these tools. And I think there's still a lot of highly ignorant use of still a lot of highly ignorant use of still a lot of highly ignorant use of these tools. But, you know, going back these tools. But, you know, going back these tools. But, you know, going back to critical thinking, yeah, it's hard, to critical thinking, yeah, it's hard, to critical thinking, yeah, it's hard, it's becoming more rare, but guess what?

it's becoming more rare, but guess what? it's becoming more rare, but guess what? It's also a competitive differentiation It's also a competitive differentiation It's also a competitive differentiation for individuals. So, if you can do it for individuals. So, if you can do it for individuals. So, if you can do it well, um, you know what? You're going to well, um, you know what? You're going to well, um, you know what? You're going to kick the crap out of everyone else. So, kick the crap out of everyone else. So, kick the crap out of everyone else. So, anyone who's using AI will actually be anyone who's using AI will actually be anyone who's using AI will actually be at a disadvantage at a disadvantage at a disadvantage to you because AIs are not proving to be to you because AIs are not proving to be to you because AIs are not proving to be great sources of information. They can great sources of information. They can great sources of information. They can accelerate things but you still need to accelerate things but you still need to accelerate things but you still need to have a critical mind to ask the have a critical mind to ask the have a critical mind to ask the questions right. So you know how you questions right. So you know how you questions right. So you know how you have like a a chain of thought? Well, have like a a chain of thought? Well, have like a a chain of thought? Well, humans have to introduce a chain of humans have to introduce a chain of humans have to introduce a chain of validation or that critical thinking validation or that critical thinking validation or that critical thinking that generates that next question to ask that generates that next question to ask that generates that next question to ask any kind of tool or any source whether any kind of tool or any source whether any kind of tool or any source whether or not it's true, it's relevant to you or not it's true, it's relevant to you or not it's true, it's relevant to you know the interest or the pursuit that know the interest or the pursuit that know the interest or the pursuit that you have in learning right or analyzing you have in learning right or analyzing you have in learning right or analyzing something. And um yeah, man, you know, something. And um yeah, man, you know, something. And um yeah, man, you know, when I first was told, "Hey, we're going when I first was told, "Hey, we're going when I first was told, "Hey, we're going to learn how to critical think." And to learn how to critical think." And to learn how to critical think." And this is like in junior high school. Um I this is like in junior high school. Um I this is like in junior high school. Um I thought it was like magic. It was so thought it was like magic. It was so thought it was like magic. It was so fun. It It was tough. It It's a you fun. It It was tough. It It's a you fun. It It was tough. It It's a you know, cognitive training exercise of the know, cognitive training exercise of the know, cognitive training exercise of the nth degree. But guess what? It's also nth degree. But guess what? It's also nth degree. But guess what? It's also really fun because that's how you start really fun because that's how you start really fun because that's how you start to get introduced to debating and to get introduced to debating and to get introduced to debating and questioning things. And it, you know, questioning things. And it, you know, questioning things. And it, you know, critical thinking is not about knowing.

critical thinking is not about knowing. critical thinking is not about knowing. It's about how to generate the next best It's about how to generate the next best It's about how to generate the next best question, right? And um I'm not too question, right? And um I'm not too question, right? And um I'm not too afraid, you know. Um I think as the afraid, you know. Um I think as the afraid, you know. Um I think as the noise floor rises, the people who can noise floor rises, the people who can noise floor rises, the people who can critically think are going to be okay. critically think are going to be okay. critically think are going to be okay. You're going to be differentiated. And You're going to be differentiated. And You're going to be differentiated. And this BS about if you don't use AI, this BS about if you don't use AI, this BS about if you don't use AI, you're going to be left behind. you're going to be left behind. you're going to be left behind. >> No, if you lose your mind, you're going >> No, if you lose your mind, you're going >> No, if you lose your mind, you're going to be left behind. And um you know and to be left behind. And um you know and to be left behind. And um you know and yeah, a lot of people are going to lose yeah, a lot of people are going to lose yeah, a lot of people are going to lose their jobs because they no longer their jobs because they no longer their jobs because they no longer critically think. They're not valuable critically think. They're not valuable critically think. They're not valuable because they don't know how to ask because they don't know how to ask because they don't know how to ask questions and that's going to be a questions and that's going to be a questions and that's going to be a detriment to them. But you know what? detriment to them. But you know what? detriment to them. But you know what? Selfishly, Selfishly, Selfishly, >> too bad. That's like more opportunity >> too bad. That's like more opportunity >> too bad. That's like more opportunity for me. And if I train my kids to for me. And if I train my kids to for me. And if I train my kids to critically think at the highest degree, critically think at the highest degree, critically think at the highest degree, they're going to do well. I I I don't they're going to do well. I I I don't they're going to do well. I I I don't have any um I don't have any concerns in have any um I don't have any concerns in have any um I don't have any concerns in that regard. What I'm more concerned that regard. What I'm more concerned that regard. What I'm more concerned about is society and where society about is society and where society about is society and where society goes goes goes and no one critically thinks anymore.

and no one critically thinks anymore. and no one critically thinks anymore. And then they have no they have a de, And then they have no they have a de, And then they have no they have a de, you know, diminished ability to you know, diminished ability to you know, diminished ability to distinguish between what's fact, distinguish between what's fact, distinguish between what's fact, fiction, fake, and true, right? And that fiction, fake, and true, right? And that fiction, fake, and true, right? And that you need critical thinking in order to you need critical thinking in order to you need critical thinking in order to to filter through that stuff to get to to filter through that stuff to get to to filter through that stuff to get to the stuff that matters. And the stuff that matters. And the stuff that matters. And >> letter you you your you are household of >> letter you you your you are household of >> letter you you your you are household of two votes. >> That's what I'm going to say. >> That's what I'm going to say. >> Yeah. Yeah. But we're adaptable. >> Yeah. Yeah. But we're adaptable. >> Yeah. Yeah. But we're adaptable. >> I mean that's that's the that's the >> I mean that's that's the that's the >> I mean that's that's the that's the challenge. The challenge is not in this challenge. The challenge is not in this challenge. The challenge is not in this room. The challenge is outside this room. The challenge is outside this room. The challenge is outside this room. It's a systemic issue. I wanted I room. It's a systemic issue. I wanted I room. It's a systemic issue. I wanted I wanted to ask a serious question to wanted to ask a serious question to wanted to ask a serious question to because actually I don't know and I'm because actually I don't know and I'm because actually I don't know and I'm going to pick on I think Debbie knows going to pick on I think Debbie knows going to pick on I think Debbie knows the answer. The other day Rick and a few the answer. The other day Rick and a few the answer. The other day Rick and a few other people that are in our circle uh other people that are in our circle uh other people that are in our circle uh posted a a response from one of the posted a a response from one of the posted a a response from one of the LLMs, I'm not sure which one, that was LLMs, I'm not sure which one, that was LLMs, I'm not sure which one, that was providing a schematic on how to on how providing a schematic on how to on how providing a schematic on how to on how to uh make a like an electrical to uh make a like an electrical to uh make a like an electrical connection to a machine. something connection to a machine. something connection to a machine. something something that an electrician would know something that an electrician would know something that an electrician would know like this cable goes here and the like this cable goes here and the like this cable goes here and the response was reckless and freaking response was reckless and freaking response was reckless and freaking dangerous like basically if you had dangerous like basically if you had dangerous like basically if you had followed those instructions someone followed those instructions someone followed those instructions someone would have gotten electrocuted at best would have gotten electrocuted at best would have gotten electrocuted at best death at at worst so my question is death at at worst so my question is death at at worst so my question is don't we have some regulations or checks don't we have some regulations or checks don't we have some regulations or checks and balances that if I get a response and balances that if I get a response and balances that if I get a response like that from one of these tools and I

like that from one of these tools and I like that from one of these tools and I follow it and I burn my house down follow it and I burn my house down follow it and I burn my house down electrocute myself or whatever is can I electrocute myself or whatever is can I electrocute myself or whatever is can I sue somebody or am I sue somebody or am I sue somebody or am I >> no you know what I think >> no you know what I think >> no you know what I think >> David this is the contrary of critical >> David this is the contrary of critical >> David this is the contrary of critical thinking thinking thinking >> they have the disclaimers right they >> they have the disclaimers right they >> they have the disclaimers right they already have the disclaimers you are at already have the disclaimers you are at already have the disclaimers you are at fault for using it and they say don't fault for using it and they say don't fault for using it and they say don't trust it because it can hallucinate and trust it because it can hallucinate and trust it because it can hallucinate and do all kinds of other stuff it's your do all kinds of other stuff it's your do all kinds of other stuff it's your fault and and I think it goes back to fault and and I think it goes back to fault and and I think it goes back to the fundamental question of the fundamental question of the fundamental question of >> if you can't trust it should you using >> if you can't trust it should you using >> if you can't trust it should you using it and people are choosing to use it it and people are choosing to use it it and people are choosing to use it when you can't trust it. Right. when you can't trust it. Right. when you can't trust it. Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> And that's the problem. It's on you. >> And that's the problem. It's on you. >> And that's the problem. It's on you. >> That's the point. That's the point. I >> That's the point. That's the point. I >> That's the point. That's the point. I would argue that if you say, "Oh, I'm would argue that if you say, "Oh, I'm would argue that if you say, "Oh, I'm using it and I'm looking for somebody using it and I'm looking for somebody using it and I'm looking for somebody who is liable. You're anti critical who is liable. You're anti critical who is liable. You're anti critical thinking. Your critical thinking should thinking. Your critical thinking should thinking. Your critical thinking should say I'm not going to use that and expect say I'm not going to use that and expect say I'm not going to use that and expect somebody to be liable if I do something somebody to be liable if I do something somebody to be liable if I do something bad with it." bad with it." bad with it." But law well first of all laws are about But law well first of all laws are about But law well first of all laws are about uh uh behavior of people and companies.

uh uh behavior of people and companies. uh uh behavior of people and companies. So it is So it is So it is um it is our it's on us right based on um it is our it's on us right based on um it is our it's on us right based on what we do. But I always tell people what we do. But I always tell people what we do. But I always tell people you're responsible for what goes in and you're responsible for what goes in and you're responsible for what goes in and then what comes out. So the if the then what comes out. So the if the then what comes out. So the if the advice that came out is bad and you used advice that came out is bad and you used advice that came out is bad and you used it then that's really your it then that's really your it then that's really your responsibility. Truly responsibility. Truly responsibility. Truly >> Leonard is laughing because on the >> Leonard is laughing because on the >> Leonard is laughing because on the channel I channel I channel I have done bleach bottles, right? This is have done bleach bottles, right? This is have done bleach bottles, right? This is why youmonia why youmonia why youmonia bottle and you take a whiff to close. bottle and you take a whiff to close. bottle and you take a whiff to close. >> This is Yeah. No, I I love I love Rob's >> This is Yeah. No, I I love I love Rob's >> This is Yeah. No, I I love I love Rob's oneshot responses. oneshot responses. oneshot responses. >> Yeah. Not even talking. He doesn't need >> Yeah. Not even talking. He doesn't need >> Yeah. Not even talking. He doesn't need to talk. He doesn't need to talk. But to talk. He doesn't need to talk. But to talk. He doesn't need to talk. But there there's one the back to the car there there's one the back to the car there there's one the back to the car analogy. Um at the very beginning there analogy. Um at the very beginning there analogy. Um at the very beginning there were no seat belts and then there were were no seat belts and then there were were no seat belts and then there were seat belts but they were not enforced seat belts but they were not enforced seat belts but they were not enforced now they're enforced. So in the same way now they're enforced. So in the same way now they're enforced. So in the same way I'm confident and maybe I'm over I'm confident and maybe I'm over I'm confident and maybe I'm over optimistic but I'm confident that things optimistic but I'm confident that things optimistic but I'm confident that things will fall in place more or less fast. I will fall in place more or less fast. I will fall in place more or less fast. I don't know. Uh but when I see my kids um don't know. Uh but when I see my kids um don't know. Uh but when I see my kids um using their critical thinking and I like using their critical thinking and I like using their critical thinking and I like to think that my wife and I like kind of to think that my wife and I like kind of to think that my wife and I like kind of induced that on them. And I also believe induced that on them. And I also believe induced that on them. And I also believe that at school with their friends they that at school with their friends they that at school with their friends they are getting into that. When my kid are getting into that. When my kid are getting into that. When my kid reacts to something they see online even reacts to something they see online even reacts to something they see online even if it's like stupid like un you know if it's like stupid like un you know if it's like stupid like un you know relevant things they're able to say hey

relevant things they're able to say hey relevant things they're able to say hey this is and I asked them how do this is and I asked them how do this is and I asked them how do you know that? Well but I've been like you know that? Well but I've been like you know that? Well but I've been like doing my research. The difference is doing my research. The difference is doing my research. The difference is that they did the research in like 2 that they did the research in like 2 that they did the research in like 2 seconds using the tools they know and seconds using the tools they know and seconds using the tools they know and typing with like their freaking fast typing with like their freaking fast typing with like their freaking fast thumbs and they had an answer and then thumbs and they had an answer and then thumbs and they had an answer and then they ask another question to kind of they ask another question to kind of they ask another question to kind of like wait a second I don't like this like wait a second I don't like this like wait a second I don't like this answer but in a good way and so even if answer but in a good way and so even if answer but in a good way and so even if it's for for like hey is the lyric are it's for for like hey is the lyric are it's for for like hey is the lyric are the lyrics of that Brazilian song you the lyrics of that Brazilian song you the lyrics of that Brazilian song you know real um and and ended up like hey know real um and and ended up like hey know real um and and ended up like hey get me the lyrics and translate that and get me the lyrics and translate that and get me the lyrics and translate that and they were actually doing the work and they were actually doing the work and they were actually doing the work and they have the tools to do it way faster. they have the tools to do it way faster. they have the tools to do it way faster. than we did. And so when they grow up than we did. And so when they grow up than we did. And so when they grow up and develop that critical thinking and and develop that critical thinking and and develop that critical thinking and the other thing that's going to happen the other thing that's going to happen the other thing that's going to happen when they grow up is that they will when they grow up is that they will when they grow up is that they will realize that to get stuff they need to realize that to get stuff they need to realize that to get stuff they need to work. They're now they're lazy and they work. They're now they're lazy and they work. They're now they're lazy and they have everything without having to work have everything without having to work have everything without having to work and they don't want to work. But then and they don't want to work. But then and they don't want to work. But then they get into the real life and they they get into the real life and they they get into the real life and they realize that they cannot afford a flat realize that they cannot afford a flat realize that they cannot afford a flat and apartment or whatever or paying and apartment or whatever or paying and apartment or whatever or paying their insurance. And now they're their insurance. And now they're their insurance. And now they're starting to say, "Oh, wait a second. I starting to say, "Oh, wait a second. I starting to say, "Oh, wait a second. I need to work." Now they're they need to work." Now they're they need to work." Now they're they understand that things are not just understand that things are not just understand that things are not just arriving to them, you know, easy and arriving to them, you know, easy and arriving to them, you know, easy and free and so they they will do the work.

free and so they they will do the work. free and so they they will do the work. Now they have the tools to do it even Now they have the tools to do it even Now they have the tools to do it even faster. faster. faster. >> So I'm I'm confident things will >> So I'm I'm confident things will >> So I'm I'm confident things will >> but the the assumption the assumption on >> but the the assumption the assumption on >> but the the assumption the assumption on that is that the tool you're going to that is that the tool you're going to that is that the tool you're going to still be able to find the tool that give still be able to find the tool that give still be able to find the tool that give you the right answer and you the right answer and you the right answer and >> well they'll be the one developing it. >> well they'll be the one developing it. >> well they'll be the one developing it. They'll be the one evolving and They'll be the one evolving and They'll be the one evolving and developing it. So like I mean not I I developing it. So like I mean not I I developing it. So like I mean not I I wouldn't say yes yet I'm past 50 so it's wouldn't say yes yet I'm past 50 so it's wouldn't say yes yet I'm past 50 so it's I wouldn't go into today it's no longer I wouldn't go into today it's no longer I wouldn't go into today it's no longer my problem and yes they're the young my problem and yes they're the young my problem and yes they're the young people Um but but you know it's people Um but but you know it's people Um but but you know it's these people who are using these tools these people who are using these tools these people who are using these tools who are familiar with them who are going who are familiar with them who are going who are familiar with them who are going to develop what's next or we're going to to develop what's next or we're going to to develop what's next or we're going to be creating these seat belts and be creating these seat belts and be creating these seat belts and enforcing them and voting for the laws enforcing them and voting for the laws enforcing them and voting for the laws to enforce them. Um and and so we need to enforce them. Um and and so we need to enforce them. Um and and so we need to in my opinion we need to reinforce to in my opinion we need to reinforce to in my opinion we need to reinforce that. We need to educate them for that. that. We need to educate them for that. that. We need to educate them for that. It's not just us trying to fix things or It's not just us trying to fix things or It's not just us trying to fix things or regulate things as the older generation regulate things as the older generation regulate things as the older generation for us to give the right incentives and for us to give the right incentives and for us to give the right incentives and toolings to the younger generations for toolings to the younger generations for toolings to the younger generations for them to also you know draw the lines and them to also you know draw the lines and them to also you know draw the lines and and make their own future.

and make their own future. and make their own future. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> What I think one of the things that >> What I think one of the things that >> What I think one of the things that bothers me I'm sorry. Go ahead David. bothers me I'm sorry. Go ahead David. bothers me I'm sorry. Go ahead David. >> No I said I'm going to leave but I'm >> No I said I'm going to leave but I'm >> No I said I'm going to leave but I'm going to invoke history to all of your going to invoke history to all of your going to invoke history to all of your car analogy. two couple of things you car analogy. two couple of things you car analogy. two couple of things you said that um number one back in the day said that um number one back in the day said that um number one back in the day when regulation was coming out in the US when regulation was coming out in the US when regulation was coming out in the US when regulations was coming down to when regulations was coming down to when regulations was coming down to mandate seat belts in vehicle there was mandate seat belts in vehicle there was mandate seat belts in vehicle there was lots of data lots of research that you lots of data lots of research that you lots of data lots of research that you know made the government said hey this know made the government said hey this know made the government said hey this thing will save lives here's the data thing will save lives here's the data thing will save lives here's the data here's analysis here's why I want all of here's analysis here's why I want all of here's analysis here's why I want all of us critical thinkers and our let's let us critical thinkers and our let's let us critical thinkers and our let's let me look at the count our three billion me look at the count our three billion me look at the count our three billion people that watch the show every week. people that watch the show every week. people that watch the show every week. Go do research on the resistance of the Go do research on the resistance of the Go do research on the resistance of the many to this regulation. How it came many to this regulation. How it came many to this regulation. How it came across as again again some of you across as again again some of you across as again again some of you listening is like there's no way what listening is like there's no way what listening is like there's no way what idiot would say that. But the this idiot would say that. But the this idiot would say that. But the this regulation came across to many as regulation came across to many as regulation came across to many as infringing in people's freedoms.

infringing in people's freedoms. infringing in people's freedoms. And so we have to take things like these And so we have to take things like these And so we have to take things like these that are normal now understand that at that are normal now understand that at that are normal now understand that at some point some people thought that was some point some people thought that was some point some people thought that was they were crazy and invasive they were crazy and invasive they were crazy and invasive >> and now we have all this data and more >> and now we have all this data and more >> and now we have all this data and more of more people would say hey I get it of more people would say hey I get it of more people would say hey I get it seat belts save lives I might not use it seat belts save lives I might not use it seat belts save lives I might not use it but I understand that they save lives I but I understand that they save lives I but I understand that they save lives I understand why I will get a ticket a understand why I will get a ticket a understand why I will get a ticket a fine I if I don't use fine I if I don't use fine I if I don't use I understand. And uh I understand. And uh I understand. And uh >> yeah, and sorry I got to go, guys. You >> yeah, and sorry I got to go, guys. You >> yeah, and sorry I got to go, guys. You guys look good. guys look good. guys look good. >> No one looks better than Rob. >> No one looks better than Rob. >> No one looks better than Rob. >> All right, we'll see. Uh >> All right, we'll see. Uh >> All right, we'll see. Uh >> yeah, glad to see you. Two episodes in a >> yeah, glad to see you. Two episodes in a >> yeah, glad to see you. Two episodes in a row. That's amazing. row. That's amazing. row. That's amazing. >> Yeah. Well, what one thing about AI for >> Yeah. Well, what one thing about AI for >> Yeah. Well, what one thing about AI for uh first of all, I love what he was uh first of all, I love what he was uh first of all, I love what he was talking about seat belts, but one of the talking about seat belts, but one of the talking about seat belts, but one of the things about seat belts. So, I know a things about seat belts. So, I know a things about seat belts. So, I know a ton about cars. Okay. Ask me a lot about ton about cars. Okay. Ask me a lot about ton about cars. Okay. Ask me a lot about cars. a lot cars. a lot cars. a lot >> IoT cars. >> IoT cars. >> IoT cars. >> I had to do a slugfest at the UN um uh >> I had to do a slugfest at the UN um uh >> I had to do a slugfest at the UN um uh Department of Commerce about cars. Um Department of Commerce about cars. Um Department of Commerce about cars. Um so, but that analogy about seat belts, I so, but that analogy about seat belts, I so, but that analogy about seat belts, I mean that took decades. That took mean that took decades. That took mean that took decades. That took decades to do. And so being able to decades to do. And so being able to decades to do. And so being able to wrangle all this stuff will take wrangle all this stuff will take wrangle all this stuff will take decades. And the problem is that the the decades. And the problem is that the the decades. And the problem is that the the tools are growing more rapidly than we tools are growing more rapidly than we tools are growing more rapidly than we can adjust, right? So instead of can adjust, right? So instead of can adjust, right? So instead of something changing man ma massively in a something changing man ma massively in a something changing man ma massively in a couple of years I mean we're talking couple of years I mean we're talking couple of years I mean we're talking about weeks and months. Um

about weeks and months. Um about weeks and months. Um >> we know regulations are >> we know regulations are >> we know regulations are >> we know regulations and common sense is >> we know regulations and common sense is >> we know regulations and common sense is slower but it's still accelerating. I slower but it's still accelerating. I slower but it's still accelerating. I mean CRA came in pretty fast if you mean CRA came in pretty fast if you mean CRA came in pretty fast if you think about how fast technology is think about how fast technology is think about how fast technology is going. CRA was put in place and voted going. CRA was put in place and voted going. CRA was put in place and voted >> um you know cyber resil resilience act. >> um you know cyber resil resilience act. >> um you know cyber resil resilience act. Oh, this was put in place pretty fast, Oh, this was put in place pretty fast, Oh, this was put in place pretty fast, faster than GDPR when big data was a faster than GDPR when big data was a faster than GDPR when big data was a thing in my opinion. thing in my opinion. thing in my opinion. >> It's the the the difficulty I think >> It's the the the difficulty I think >> It's the the the difficulty I think nowadays is that it it's always behind. nowadays is that it it's always behind. nowadays is that it it's always behind. It's never forward thinking. It's never forward thinking. It's never forward thinking. >> Well, it's never going to be regulation. >> Well, it's never going to be regulation. >> Well, it's never going to be regulation. Regulation is all about rear view, you Regulation is all about rear view, you Regulation is all about rear view, you know. Oh god, that was know. Oh god, that was know. Oh god, that was >> that's the problem. That's the problem >> that's the problem. That's the problem >> that's the problem. That's the problem with technology. If we don't get out of with technology. If we don't get out of with technology. If we don't get out of this rear view but really in terms of this rear view but really in terms of this rear view but really in terms of >> thought leadership and forward thinking >> thought leadership and forward thinking >> thought leadership and forward thinking it will always been behind and it can be it will always been behind and it can be it will always been behind and it can be exploited because the problem again is exploited because the problem again is exploited because the problem again is the scale because know this example of the scale because know this example of the scale because know this example of resistance against seats bel seat belts resistance against seats bel seat belts resistance against seats bel seat belts if you think about it the environment in if you think about it the environment in if you think about it the environment in which people were growing in terms of which people were growing in terms of which people were growing in terms of influence was was much lower than it is influence was was much lower than it is influence was was much lower than it is today through all social media and today through all social media and today through all social media and things. So you can create an environment things. So you can create an environment things. So you can create an environment where people will resist to things much where people will resist to things much where people will resist to things much more easily with tech nowadays. I think more easily with tech nowadays. I think more easily with tech nowadays. I think that's really the real the real problem that's really the real the real problem that's really the real the real problem because it's we don't have something because it's we don't have something because it's we don't have something that scale as fast in terms of that scale as fast in terms of that scale as fast in terms of distilling critical thinking and making distilling critical thinking and making distilling critical thinking and making sure that the tools are not biased sure that the tools are not biased sure that the tools are not biased toward not critical thinking toward not critical thinking toward not critical thinking >> that that's the and the problem is is >> that that's the and the problem is is >> that that's the and the problem is is the diminishing attention span. You need

the diminishing attention span. You need the diminishing attention span. You need to actually have more attention than the to actually have more attention than the to actually have more attention than the first generation LLM in order to first generation LLM in order to first generation LLM in order to critically think and everyone's critically think and everyone's critically think and everyone's attention span is diminishing. attention span is diminishing. attention span is diminishing. >> Yeah. 3 seconds >> Yeah. 3 seconds >> Yeah. 3 seconds >> and I was referring and I was referring >> and I was referring and I was referring >> and I was referring and I was referring to that earlier because the one of the to that earlier because the one of the to that earlier because the one of the very uh I said uh scary use of LLM that very uh I said uh scary use of LLM that very uh I said uh scary use of LLM that I see nowadays that people will just I see nowadays that people will just I see nowadays that people will just write two sentences throw it to the LM write two sentences throw it to the LM write two sentences throw it to the LM and expect the answers. They don't and expect the answers. They don't and expect the answers. They don't engage into an assistant conversation engage into an assistant conversation engage into an assistant conversation with critical thinking to Yeah, but with critical thinking to Yeah, but with critical thinking to Yeah, but would you try that? Oh, no, no, don't would you try that? Oh, no, no, don't would you try that? Oh, no, no, don't like this answer. Try this. No, they like this answer. Try this. No, they like this answer. Try this. No, they don't. They just want to type two lines, don't. They just want to type two lines, don't. They just want to type two lines, get the answer. get the answer. get the answer. >> So, so think about how how toxic that >> So, so think about how how toxic that >> So, so think about how how toxic that dynamic you're just describing right now dynamic you're just describing right now dynamic you're just describing right now is. I mean, just what you're is. I mean, just what you're is. I mean, just what you're >> I mean, but regulation comes when after >> I mean, but regulation comes when after >> I mean, but regulation comes when after there's catastrophe, right? uh and there's catastrophe, right? uh and there's catastrophe, right? uh and that's when we respond you know when that's when we respond you know when that's when we respond you know when pile up that is not going to change like pile up that is not going to change like pile up that is not going to change like that's what humans are they won't that's what humans are they won't that's what humans are they won't believe on things until it happens to believe on things until it happens to believe on things until it happens to them until like seat belts until you them until like seat belts until you them until like seat belts until you have someone would die because they were have someone would die because they were have someone would die because they were not wearing it you don't really realize not wearing it you don't really realize not wearing it you don't really realize why you're wearing it you're wearing it why you're wearing it you're wearing it why you're wearing it you're wearing it because you're going to take a you're because you're going to take a you're because you're going to take a you're going to get a fine you're not wearing going to get a fine you're not wearing going to get a fine you're not wearing because um you know because you know because um you know because you know because um you know because you know it's it's dangerous uh I'm wearing when it's it's dangerous uh I'm wearing when it's it's dangerous uh I'm wearing when I do motorcycles I don't these days cuz I do motorcycles I don't these days cuz I do motorcycles I don't these days cuz I live in Seattle range all the time but I live in Seattle range all the time but I live in Seattle range all the time but when I ride motorcycle. I always wear a when I ride motorcycle. I always wear a when I ride motorcycle. I always wear a jacket, a helmet, and gloves and pants jacket, a helmet, and gloves and pants jacket, a helmet, and gloves and pants and boots because I fell once on a

and boots because I fell once on a and boots because I fell once on a motorcycle with a t-shirt. And dude, it motorcycle with a t-shirt. And dude, it motorcycle with a t-shirt. And dude, it hurt. And I'm lucky it was not more than hurt. And I'm lucky it was not more than hurt. And I'm lucky it was not more than just flesh, just flesh, just flesh, >> just a little. >> just a little. >> just a little. >> But but before that, I was like, "Yeah, >> But but before that, I was like, "Yeah, >> But but before that, I was like, "Yeah, I know." Like, you know, h it's it's hot I know." Like, you know, h it's it's hot I know." Like, you know, h it's it's hot out there. I'm just not going to wear out there. I'm just not going to wear out there. I'm just not going to wear the the jacket. And so that was stupid. the the jacket. And so that was stupid. the the jacket. And so that was stupid. >> That doesn't help. And give me give let >> That doesn't help. And give me give let >> That doesn't help. And give me give let me give you an example. Look at COVID. me give you an example. Look at COVID. me give you an example. Look at COVID. Okay, look at the scale of COVID. Okay, look at the scale of COVID. Okay, look at the scale of COVID. >> Are you confident that everybody learned >> Are you confident that everybody learned >> Are you confident that everybody learned from that? And do you know how many from that? And do you know how many from that? And do you know how many people are arguing that it didn't people are arguing that it didn't people are arguing that it didn't happen? happen? happen? >> Actually, great point, Dimmitri. No, not >> Actually, great point, Dimmitri. No, not >> Actually, great point, Dimmitri. No, not everyone learned. And actually, you everyone learned. And actually, you everyone learned. And actually, you still have people thinking that vaccines still have people thinking that vaccines still have people thinking that vaccines are stupid. Yes, are stupid. Yes, are stupid. Yes, >> exactly. That's my point. >> exactly. That's my point. >> exactly. That's my point. >> But but but but >> But but but but >> But but but but now we have vaccines for it. And now now we have vaccines for it. And now now we have vaccines for it. And now every year most people get vaccinated every year most people get vaccinated every year most people get vaccinated even if they don't really know why. They even if they don't really know why. They even if they don't really know why. They do get the flu shot. Did they do get the do get the flu shot. Did they do get the do get the flu shot. Did they do get the the the COVID? They do. And like and by the the COVID? They do. And like and by the the COVID? They do. And like and by the way it didn't come back as an the way it didn't come back as an the way it didn't come back as an epidemic right and I think yes it epidemic right and I think yes it epidemic right and I think yes it doesn't not everyone gets exposed but at doesn't not everyone gets exposed but at doesn't not everyone gets exposed but at some point we get to hey we have the some point we get to hey we have the some point we get to hey we have the data we have legislator legislators we data we have legislator legislators we data we have legislator legislators we have regulations put in place and they have regulations put in place and they have regulations put in place and they will be imposed to the masses who don't will be imposed to the masses who don't will be imposed to the masses who don't have the critical thinking whatever but have the critical thinking whatever but have the critical thinking whatever but that's okay these people don't even that's okay these people don't even that's okay these people don't even think about it think about it think about it >> I I agree with that with one little >> I I agree with that with one little >> I I agree with that with one little caveat is that you I have to trust the caveat is that you I have to trust the caveat is that you I have to trust the system and there are signs that I'm not system and there are signs that I'm not system and there are signs that I'm not totally sure we're heading into this totally sure we're heading into this totally sure we're heading into this direction.

direction. direction. >> Hey Rob, what's wrong with you man? >> Hey Rob, what's wrong with you man? >> Hey Rob, what's wrong with you man? >> We environment agreement I think on the >> We environment agreement I think on the >> We environment agreement I think on the process and on the thinking but I think process and on the thinking but I think process and on the thinking but I think that what is changing in the that what is changing in the that what is changing in the geopolitical context we live in is that geopolitical context we live in is that geopolitical context we live in is that the motivation to implement that the motivation to implement that the motivation to implement that virtuous circle. virtuous circle. virtuous circle. I I agree. But to me, it's like humans I I agree. But to me, it's like humans I I agree. But to me, it's like humans in the same thing, you need a big slap in the same thing, you need a big slap in the same thing, you need a big slap in your face to realize you're wrong. Uh in your face to realize you're wrong. Uh in your face to realize you're wrong. Uh and in in a way, you know, the way and in in a way, you know, the way and in in a way, you know, the way geopolitics are going these ways where geopolitics are going these ways where geopolitics are going these ways where extreme right or whatever or or did like extreme right or whatever or or did like extreme right or whatever or or did like me first, whatever, uh is is is growing me first, whatever, uh is is is growing me first, whatever, uh is is is growing like people are are are getting slapped like people are are are getting slapped like people are are are getting slapped in the face like like healthcare in the in the face like like healthcare in the in the face like like healthcare in the US, I'm freaking out. I'm paying my own US, I'm freaking out. I'm paying my own US, I'm freaking out. I'm paying my own healthcare. It's going to cost me twi healthcare. It's going to cost me twi healthcare. It's going to cost me twi twice as much. It's already super twice as much. It's already super twice as much. It's already super expensive. Well, guess what? Most of the expensive. Well, guess what? Most of the expensive. Well, guess what? Most of the people who have voting rights, you know, people who have voting rights, you know, people who have voting rights, you know, they're going to get slapped slapped in they're going to get slapped slapped in they're going to get slapped slapped in the face with the reality of things. And the face with the reality of things. And the face with the reality of things. And you know, if it's what it takes and you know, if it's what it takes and you know, if it's what it takes and that's a bummer, unfortunately, that's a bummer, unfortunately, that's a bummer, unfortunately, sometimes it takes a war. takes like big sometimes it takes a war. takes like big sometimes it takes a war. takes like big damage but and I'm sorry for being so damage but and I'm sorry for being so damage but and I'm sorry for being so like uh about that but it's a like uh about that but it's a like uh about that but it's a >> you need a big slap in your face to >> you need a big slap in your face to >> you need a big slap in your face to realize you're wrong and you go the realize you're wrong and you go the realize you're wrong and you go the problem is that the these the types of problem is that the these the types of problem is that the these the types of problems that can happen there will be problems that can happen there will be problems that can happen there will be no adequate redress right so it'll be no adequate redress right so it'll be no adequate redress right so it'll be like this oh well what happened to like this oh well what happened to like this oh well what happened to Johnny let's do Johnny's law now right Johnny let's do Johnny's law now right Johnny let's do Johnny's law now right and so that I don't want to see that and so that I don't want to see that and so that I don't want to see that type of future and also I always tell type of future and also I always tell type of future and also I always tell people AI is not wise. So wisdom is a

people AI is not wise. So wisdom is a people AI is not wise. So wisdom is a human trait. And so even if these uh human trait. And so even if these uh human trait. And so even if these uh tools ingest all the information in the tools ingest all the information in the tools ingest all the information in the world, it still doesn't know that you world, it still doesn't know that you world, it still doesn't know that you know nails don't go on pizza, right? Uh know nails don't go on pizza, right? Uh know nails don't go on pizza, right? Uh so that's part of wisdom. So, you didn't so that's part of wisdom. So, you didn't so that's part of wisdom. So, you didn't learn that uh in school, but be because learn that uh in school, but be because learn that uh in school, but be because of your humanness, you understand that of your humanness, you understand that of your humanness, you understand that that's that's dangerous and probably that's that's dangerous and probably that's that's dangerous and probably doesn't taste very good. So, doesn't taste very good. So, doesn't taste very good. So, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> Rob, what what's wrong with you, man? >> Rob, what what's wrong with you, man? >> Rob, what what's wrong with you, man? Did you lose your voice? Did you lose your voice? Did you lose your voice? >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> What do you mean there is no system? >> What do you mean there is no system? >> What do you mean there is no system? >> I think the world is coming to an end if >> I think the world is coming to an end if >> I think the world is coming to an end if Rob Rob Rob Pete and Rob have hardly said anything. Pete and Rob have hardly said anything. Pete and Rob have hardly said anything. Have you ever Have you ever Have you Have you ever Have you ever Have you Have you ever Have you ever Have you ever heard people say, "It's the system, ever heard people say, "It's the system, ever heard people say, "It's the system, man." Or, "The system didn't work for man." Or, "The system didn't work for man." Or, "The system didn't work for me," or, "The system's broken," or, "We me," or, "The system's broken," or, "We me," or, "The system's broken," or, "We were promised dot dot dot." were promised dot dot dot." were promised dot dot dot." All those kind of discussions are All those kind of discussions are All those kind of discussions are complete There is no system.

complete There is no system. complete There is no system. There's no promise. There's nothing. There's no promise. There's nothing. There's no promise. There's nothing. It's just you. It's just you. It's just you. >> Wow, dude. >> Wow, dude. >> Wow, dude. >> That's uplifting, man. >> That's uplifting, man. >> That's uplifting, man. >> Can we Can we talk technology? >> Can we Can we talk technology? >> Can we Can we talk technology? That that goes directly on a Hallmark That that goes directly on a Hallmark That that goes directly on a Hallmark card. card. card. >> That's good. I love that. That'd be That >> That's good. I love that. That'd be That >> That's good. I love that. That'd be That would be the best Hallmark card ever. would be the best Hallmark card ever. would be the best Hallmark card ever. >> Apocalyptic. >> Apocalyptic. >> Apocalyptic. Apocalyptic. Apocalyptic. Apocalyptic. >> I'm going to I'm going to be I'm going >> I'm going to I'm going to be I'm going >> I'm going to I'm going to be I'm going to be the one again. Not that one. But to be the one again. Not that one. But to be the one again. Not that one. But uh in some countries, yes. In others, uh in some countries, yes. In others, uh in some countries, yes. In others, no. no. no. >> That's right. In other countries, there >> That's right. In other countries, there >> That's right. In other countries, there are systems, but in the United States are systems, but in the United States are systems, but in the United States and many other countries, there is not a and many other countries, there is not a and many other countries, there is not a system that you're talking about. system that you're talking about. system that you're talking about. You might get lucky and it may appear to You might get lucky and it may appear to You might get lucky and it may appear to you that there's a system to be a safety you that there's a system to be a safety you that there's a system to be a safety net or take care of you or health care net or take care of you or health care net or take care of you or health care or this or or retirement, but no, that's or this or or retirement, but no, that's or this or or retirement, but no, that's not how it works in the United States. not how it works in the United States. not how it works in the United States. Everybody's on their own. It's a super Everybody's on their own. It's a super Everybody's on their own. It's a super free capitalistic society. And if you free capitalistic society. And if you free capitalistic society. And if you plan well and you save and everything, plan well and you save and everything, plan well and you save and everything, you'll have good retirement. If not, you'll have good retirement. If not, you'll have good retirement. If not, you'll be like some high percentage of you'll be like some high percentage of you'll be like some high percentage of people who are living in total poverty.

people who are living in total poverty. people who are living in total poverty. There is no system. And the problem is There is no system. And the problem is There is no system. And the problem is the change is the change is the change is >> the change is uh during the cold war >> the change is uh during the cold war >> the change is uh during the cold war there was very little argument that the there was very little argument that the there was very little argument that the alternate system could survive or could alternate system could survive or could alternate system could survive or could be a model. It's not the case anymore. be a model. It's not the case anymore. be a model. It's not the case anymore. That's the big problem for me anyway. That's the big problem for me anyway. That's the big problem for me anyway. >> Yeah. Well, >> Yeah. Well, >> Yeah. Well, >> I just want to uplift everybody. >> I just want to uplift everybody. >> I just want to uplift everybody. >> Oh, thank you. We really appreciate it. >> Oh, thank you. We really appreciate it. >> Oh, thank you. We really appreciate it. >> I just came back. I did a keynote I did >> I just came back. I did a keynote I did >> I just came back. I did a keynote I did a keynote last week in Finland um in a keynote last week in Finland um in a keynote last week in Finland um in Helsinki and um Helsinki and um Helsinki and um >> they have a system >> they have a system >> they have a system >> they do and I love it there. Uh but I >> they do and I love it there. Uh but I >> they do and I love it there. Uh but I think one of the biggest differences think one of the biggest differences think one of the biggest differences first of all I love Europe but the first of all I love Europe but the first of all I love Europe but the probably two of the biggest differences probably two of the biggest differences probably two of the biggest differences is like which I love we don't have in is like which I love we don't have in is like which I love we don't have in the US people mind their business that's the US people mind their business that's the US people mind their business that's one thing I love and then the second one thing I love and then the second one thing I love and then the second thing is that they do things on like a thing is that they do things on like a thing is that they do things on like a communal basis in a way communal basis in a way communal basis in a way >> where it's like okay I'm doing this >> where it's like okay I'm doing this >> where it's like okay I'm doing this thing because it can help someone else thing because it can help someone else thing because it can help someone else right and so I feel like when I come to right and so I feel like when I come to right and so I feel like when I come to us it's like every man for himself and us it's like every man for himself and us it's like every man for himself and someone trying to say, "Hey, you need to someone trying to say, "Hey, you need to someone trying to say, "Hey, you need to think like I think." And it's like, think like I think." And it's like, think like I think." And it's like, "What the hell is all that about?" So, I "What the hell is all that about?" So, I "What the hell is all that about?" So, I don't know. That's just my thought.

don't know. That's just my thought. don't know. That's just my thought. >> Well, actually, I reinforce I reinforce >> Well, actually, I reinforce I reinforce >> Well, actually, I reinforce I reinforce one of the things you said, Debbie, one of the things you said, Debbie, one of the things you said, Debbie, because I I went to uh actually I've because I I went to uh actually I've because I I went to uh actually I've been to two conferences in Finland the been to two conferences in Finland the been to two conferences in Finland the past two years and I did a I did an past two years and I did a I did an past two years and I did a I did an address as well at the hacker conference address as well at the hacker conference address as well at the hacker conference over there and it's the middle of over there and it's the middle of over there and it's the middle of February. So, the first time I went February. So, the first time I went February. So, the first time I went there and it was still, you know, the there and it was still, you know, the there and it was still, you know, the postcoid, you know, few years after postcoid, you know, few years after postcoid, you know, few years after that. So I'm in this conference and I'm that. So I'm in this conference and I'm that. So I'm in this conference and I'm looking at and nobody's coughing, looking at and nobody's coughing, looking at and nobody's coughing, nobody's sneezing. So and you're in the nobody's sneezing. So and you're in the nobody's sneezing. So and you're in the middle of the winter which you know middle of the winter which you know middle of the winter which you know people get sick. So I ask somebody and people get sick. So I ask somebody and people get sick. So I ask somebody and say oh but when that happened we stay say oh but when that happened we stay say oh but when that happened we stay home. home. home. >> So the community the collective >> So the community the collective >> So the community the collective conscience conscience conscience >> I mean I was stunned. You tell me all >> I mean I was stunned. You tell me all >> I mean I was stunned. You tell me all the conferences you go in this country the conferences you go in this country the conferences you go in this country where you don't see a guy sneezing and where you don't see a guy sneezing and where you don't see a guy sneezing and coughing and coughing and coughing and >> reindeer. So that's the >> reindeer. So that's the >> reindeer. So that's the >> everything is everything. By the way, >> everything is everything. By the way, >> everything is everything. By the way, speaking of the opposite of Finland, I'm speaking of the opposite of Finland, I'm speaking of the opposite of Finland, I'm actually going to be in Washington DC on actually going to be in Washington DC on actually going to be in Washington DC on a panel October 16th. You want to go a panel October 16th. You want to go a panel October 16th. You want to go whatever is 180 from I'll be in DC 15 to whatever is 180 from I'll be in DC 15 to whatever is 180 from I'll be in DC 15 to the 17th the 17th the 17th talking about edge AI and war fighting talking about edge AI and war fighting talking about edge AI and war fighting and in the age of war.

and in the age of war. and in the age of war. >> War fighting. Yeah. >> War fighting. Yeah. >> War fighting. Yeah. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Opposite of Finland. >> Opposite of Finland. >> Opposite of Finland. >> It it is it is interesting how military >> It it is it is interesting how military >> It it is it is interesting how military tech has all of a sudden become big tech has all of a sudden become big tech has all of a sudden become big thing. thing. thing. >> Seems to be a lot of money here going >> Seems to be a lot of money here going >> Seems to be a lot of money here going down. so hot right now. Like handsome down. so hot right now. Like handsome down. so hot right now. Like handsome >> those checks. Those checks >> those checks. Those checks >> those checks. Those checks >> those checks. Until those checks come >> those checks. Until those checks come >> those checks. Until those checks come in, it'll continue to be hot. in, it'll continue to be hot. in, it'll continue to be hot. >> I'm glad I don't I'm glad I'm not >> I'm glad I don't I'm glad I'm not >> I'm glad I don't I'm glad I'm not wearing a beard or have long hair or wearing a beard or have long hair or wearing a beard or have long hair or whatever. whatever. whatever. >> N has nothing to do with like connecting >> N has nothing to do with like connecting >> N has nothing to do with like connecting the the unconnected. It's more like the the unconnected. It's more like the the unconnected. It's more like connecting that weapon so that you can connecting that weapon so that you can connecting that weapon so that you can direct it with pinpoint accuracy and get direct it with pinpoint accuracy and get direct it with pinpoint accuracy and get all the intelligence you need off of the all the intelligence you need off of the all the intelligence you need off of the battlefield. That's what is ending up battlefield. That's what is ending up battlefield. That's what is ending up be. Well, well, Finland has pretty good be. Well, well, Finland has pretty good be. Well, well, Finland has pretty good military tech for military tech for military tech for >> Well, they beat back the Russians back >> Well, they beat back the Russians back >> Well, they beat back the Russians back >> because of their neighbor. I've actually >> because of their neighbor. I've actually >> because of their neighbor. I've actually seen very impressive drones over time, seen very impressive drones over time, seen very impressive drones over time, you know. you know. you know. >> So, it's they're pretty good at that. >> So, it's they're pretty good at that. >> So, it's they're pretty good at that. >> I really enjoy the um air independent >> I really enjoy the um air independent >> I really enjoy the um air independent propulsion submarines that the Swedish propulsion submarines that the Swedish propulsion submarines that the Swedish people have built by Saab. Did anyone people have built by Saab. Did anyone people have built by Saab. Did anyone ever have a Saab car in the past?

ever have a Saab car in the past? ever have a Saab car in the past? >> Oh, I had a couple of Saabs. I love >> Oh, I had a couple of Saabs. I love >> Oh, I had a couple of Saabs. I love Saabs. Saabs. Saabs. >> Aren't they awesome? They're just >> Aren't they awesome? They're just >> Aren't they awesome? They're just beautiful. I wish they were still around beautiful. I wish they were still around beautiful. I wish they were still around with with with >> they kind of went down the tube there. >> they kind of went down the tube there. >> they kind of went down the tube there. They do, They do, They do, >> but they're getting checks. As Debbie >> but they're getting checks. As Debbie >> but they're getting checks. As Debbie said, Saab gets checks today because said, Saab gets checks today because said, Saab gets checks today because they pivoted to just mostly military. they pivoted to just mostly military. they pivoted to just mostly military. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh fighter jets and air independent >> Uh fighter jets and air independent >> Uh fighter jets and air independent propulsion on submarines. It's even propulsion on submarines. It's even propulsion on submarines. It's even quieter than our submarines. quieter than our submarines. quieter than our submarines. >> 900. Yeah. >> 900. Yeah. >> 900. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> I had a Saab wagon actually when we were >> I had a Saab wagon actually when we were >> I had a Saab wagon actually when we were >> Oh, wow. When we had two kids, we had a >> Oh, wow. When we had two kids, we had a >> Oh, wow. When we had two kids, we had a Saab 900 wagon manual transmission one Saab 900 wagon manual transmission one Saab 900 wagon manual transmission one was was was >> Man, back in the Yeah. early 90s, that >> Man, back in the Yeah. early 90s, that >> Man, back in the Yeah. early 90s, that Saab 900 convertible is arguably one of Saab 900 convertible is arguably one of Saab 900 convertible is arguably one of the most beautiful cars ever. Really? the most beautiful cars ever. Really? the most beautiful cars ever. Really? Get one. Get one. Get one. >> Are there are they there's around them? >> Are there are they there's around them? >> Are there are they there's around them? You think You think You think >> go and bring a trailer or you know? >> go and bring a trailer or you know? >> go and bring a trailer or you know? Yeah, they're around. Yeah, they're around. Yeah, they're around. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. That's good to >> Yeah. Okay. All right. That's good to >> Yeah. Okay. All right. That's good to know. know. know. >> Did you know what we used to say about >> Did you know what we used to say about >> Did you know what we used to say about SAB in I mean it's especially France, SAB in I mean it's especially France, SAB in I mean it's especially France, Germany back in those years. the the Germany back in those years. the the Germany back in those years. the the people the people who buy SAB which people the people who buy SAB which people the people who buy SAB which actually then migrated more to Audi's actually then migrated more to Audi's actually then migrated more to Audi's were people who had a kind of a were people who had a kind of a were people who had a kind of a personality problem. So sorry I'm not personality problem. So sorry I'm not personality problem. So sorry I'm not trying to offend anyone because there trying to offend anyone because there trying to offend anyone because there are people that could buy a BMW or are people that could buy a BMW or are people that could buy a BMW or Mercedes but they wanted to look Mercedes but they wanted to look Mercedes but they wanted to look different so they go for a SA different so they go for a SA different so they go for a SA >> and then Audi came and they went to >> and then Audi came and they went to >> and then Audi came and they went to Audi. So I think it's still the case. So Audi. So I think it's still the case. So Audi. So I think it's still the case. So >> we have the we have the uh Swedish car >> we have the we have the uh Swedish car >> we have the we have the uh Swedish car owners get together. So I have an old owners get together. So I have an old owners get together. So I have an old Volvo. So, we get together and there's Volvo. So, we get together and there's Volvo. So, we get together and there's Volvo owners and Saab owners and they're Volvo owners and Saab owners and they're Volvo owners and Saab owners and they're always on opposite sides of the parking always on opposite sides of the parking always on opposite sides of the parking lot. So, lot. So, lot. So, >> the Jets and the Sharks, >> the Jets and the Sharks, >> the Jets and the Sharks, >> Volvo people over here.

>> Volvo people over here. >> Volvo people over here. >> Yeah. Yeah. And just so you know, Pete's >> Yeah. Yeah. And just so you know, Pete's >> Yeah. Yeah. And just so you know, Pete's old Volvo is gorgeous. old Volvo is gorgeous. old Volvo is gorgeous. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> It's just a beautiful, beautiful car. >> It's just a beautiful, beautiful car. >> It's just a beautiful, beautiful car. >> They don't make them like >> They don't make them like >> They don't make them like >> I think it's on my LinkedIn. There's in >> I think it's on my LinkedIn. There's in >> I think it's on my LinkedIn. There's in the back of my LinkedIn profile, though. the back of my LinkedIn profile, though. the back of my LinkedIn profile, though. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> 72 wagon. >> 72 wagon. >> 72 wagon. >> Yeah. And they can they can they're more >> Yeah. And they can they can they're more >> Yeah. And they can they can they're more likely to survive an EMP blast. So yeah, likely to survive an EMP blast. So yeah, likely to survive an EMP blast. So yeah, that's for sure. that's for sure. that's for sure. >> Yeah, I'll be cruising around. You guys >> Yeah, I'll be cruising around. You guys >> Yeah, I'll be cruising around. You guys will all be on the side of the road dead will all be on the side of the road dead will all be on the side of the road dead stop dead. stop dead. stop dead. >> Can't get out of your car. >> Can't get out of your car. >> Can't get out of your car. >> Talking about car safety, it depends. >> Talking about car safety, it depends. >> Talking about car safety, it depends. >> Talking about car safety, it depends on, >> Talking about car safety, it depends on, >> Talking about car safety, it depends on, you know, what year it was built. But you know, what year it was built. But you know, what year it was built. But some of them were still at the some of them were still at the some of them were still at the transition where the car was built transition where the car was built transition where the car was built tough. So if you had an accident, the tough. So if you had an accident, the tough. So if you had an accident, the car survive, you'll die as opposed to car survive, you'll die as opposed to car survive, you'll die as opposed to the modern technology. the modern technology. the modern technology. >> That's right. somewhere along the line, >> That's right. somewhere along the line, >> That's right. somewhere along the line, right? Save the car. But right? Save the car. But right? Save the car. But >> and nowadays the car is totally >> and nowadays the car is totally >> and nowadays the car is totally destroyed. So destroyed. So destroyed. So >> that's true. >> that's true. >> that's true. >> Yeah. Hey, um so pivoting to um >> Yeah. Hey, um so pivoting to um >> Yeah. Hey, um so pivoting to um something that's really weird. So hey, something that's really weird. So hey, something that's really weird. So hey, you Rob, you mentioned this K-pop demon you Rob, you mentioned this K-pop demon you Rob, you mentioned this K-pop demon hunter thingy.

hunter thingy. hunter thingy. >> Yeah. Like the number one movie in the >> Yeah. Like the number one movie in the >> Yeah. Like the number one movie in the world. world. world. >> Yeah. I I you know, I I completely >> Yeah. I I you know, I I completely >> Yeah. I I you know, I I completely disregarded. I was like, "Oh my god, disregarded. I was like, "Oh my god, disregarded. I was like, "Oh my god, rolling my eyes." And then I bumped into rolling my eyes." And then I bumped into rolling my eyes." And then I bumped into that song, Golden. that song, Golden. that song, Golden. There's two freaking notes in that song There's two freaking notes in that song There's two freaking notes in that song that that totally got me interested in that that totally got me interested in that that totally got me interested in that whole thing. And it th those um the that whole thing. And it th those um the that whole thing. And it th those um the singers are amazing. And it's weird. The singers are amazing. And it's weird. The singers are amazing. And it's weird. The irony is that you have all this, you irony is that you have all this, you irony is that you have all this, you know, it's an animated movie, right? So know, it's an animated movie, right? So know, it's an animated movie, right? So you have these fictional characters, but you have these fictional characters, but you have these fictional characters, but everyone now has interest in the people, everyone now has interest in the people, everyone now has interest in the people, the actual people, you know, which I the actual people, you know, which I the actual people, you know, which I think is funny because now we have this think is funny because now we have this think is funny because now we have this uh what Tilly is her that her name Tilly uh what Tilly is her that her name Tilly uh what Tilly is her that her name Tilly that a fake AI girl that a fake AI girl that a fake AI girl >> thingy now everyone's freaking out and >> thingy now everyone's freaking out and >> thingy now everyone's freaking out and saying, "Oh, you know, artists are going saying, "Oh, you know, artists are going saying, "Oh, you know, artists are going to die off and no one's going to give a to die off and no one's going to give a to die off and no one's going to give a crap about them." I don't think that's crap about them." I don't think that's crap about them." I don't think that's true. If you look at what's happening true. If you look at what's happening true. If you look at what's happening with the the this, you know, K-pop with the the this, you know, K-pop with the the this, you know, K-pop hunter thingy, people are more hunter thingy, people are more hunter thingy, people are more interested actually in the real people interested actually in the real people interested actually in the real people behind the voices and the singing.

behind the voices and the singing. behind the voices and the singing. >> Note something, Leonard, is that they're >> Note something, Leonard, is that they're >> Note something, Leonard, is that they're not like they're like beautiful people, not like they're like beautiful people, not like they're like beautiful people, but they're not uh in the norms of what but they're not uh in the norms of what but they're not uh in the norms of what a pop star would look like. And still a pop star would look like. And still a pop star would look like. And still they're famous because they were not on they're famous because they were not on they're famous because they were not on screen. And people were able to realize, screen. And people were able to realize, screen. And people were able to realize, wow, they have a fantastic voice. They wow, they have a fantastic voice. They wow, they have a fantastic voice. They can be celebrities. Right. can be celebrities. Right. can be celebrities. Right. >> Exactly. And and then the thing is is AI >> Exactly. And and then the thing is is AI >> Exactly. And and then the thing is is AI can can fake that high note. It's like can can fake that high note. It's like can can fake that high note. It's like two notes um that she sings and and the two notes um that she sings and and the two notes um that she sings and and the first time I heard it and it was just on first time I heard it and it was just on first time I heard it and it was just on the radio. I'm like what the the radio. I'm like what the the radio. I'm like what the freaking hell that is like and she's freaking hell that is like and she's freaking hell that is like and she's doing it full voice, right? It's not a doing it full voice, right? It's not a doing it full voice, right? It's not a falsetto. It's not falsetto. It's not falsetto. It's not >> not falsetto, huh? >> not falsetto, huh? >> not falsetto, huh? >> Yeah. Yeah. Full voice. She she nails >> Yeah. Yeah. Full voice. She she nails >> Yeah. Yeah. Full voice. She she nails it. And the quality of those two notes it. And the quality of those two notes it. And the quality of those two notes are just so incredible. And then she are just so incredible. And then she are just so incredible. And then she even hits a higher one in some some of even hits a higher one in some some of even hits a higher one in some some of the other songs apparently. the other songs apparently. the other songs apparently. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> People just want to see them live. >> People just want to see them live. >> People just want to see them live. >> So she went into full Mariah Carey mode. >> So she went into full Mariah Carey mode. >> So she went into full Mariah Carey mode. >> No, I don't think Mariah Mariah Carey >> No, I don't think Mariah Mariah Carey >> No, I don't think Mariah Mariah Carey can even do that. That's the thing. Why can even do that. That's the thing. Why can even do that. That's the thing. Why everyone's freaking out about this?

everyone's freaking out about this? everyone's freaking out about this? >> Oh, come on. >> Oh, come on. >> Oh, come on. >> The people who are the singers, they go, >> The people who are the singers, they go, >> The people who are the singers, they go, >> Mariah Carey can do that. >> Mariah Carey can do that. >> Mariah Carey can do that. >> And we're just a few months away from >> And we're just a few months away from >> And we're just a few months away from anything. anything. anything. >> Who can anything is Artha Franklin? Oh >> Who can anything is Artha Franklin? Oh >> Who can anything is Artha Franklin? Oh yeah. yeah. yeah. >> Remember that when uh Mariah Carey and >> Remember that when uh Mariah Carey and >> Remember that when uh Mariah Carey and Artha Franklin got up, they were up on Artha Franklin got up, they were up on Artha Franklin got up, they were up on stage together stage together stage together >> and you know, you got to recognize the >> and you know, you got to recognize the >> and you know, you got to recognize the age difference. Oh man, Artha Franklin age difference. Oh man, Artha Franklin age difference. Oh man, Artha Franklin took Mariah Carey to school. took Mariah Carey to school. took Mariah Carey to school. >> You know, Mariah Care's doing all the >> You know, Mariah Care's doing all the >> You know, Mariah Care's doing all the these whistle notes and then these whistle notes and then these whistle notes and then >> Artha Franklin is hitting the same >> Artha Franklin is hitting the same >> Artha Franklin is hitting the same notes, full voice. You know what I'm notes, full voice. You know what I'm notes, full voice. You know what I'm saying? And that's saying? And that's saying? And that's >> she's the instrument. Her voice is the >> she's the instrument. Her voice is the >> she's the instrument. Her voice is the instrument. instrument. instrument. She she was she she was like a little She she was she she was like a little She she was she she was like a little bit mean bit mean bit mean >> up on stage. She she was she took an >> up on stage. She she was she took an >> up on stage. She she was she took an attitude up there was um she basically attitude up there was um she basically attitude up there was um she basically was saying, "Hey, look, let me show you was saying, "Hey, look, let me show you was saying, "Hey, look, let me show you something." something." something." >> She >> She >> She know I heard I think Keith Richards say know I heard I think Keith Richards say know I heard I think Keith Richards say one time it's like it's not just the one time it's like it's not just the one time it's like it's not just the notes. She goes around the notes or over notes. She goes around the notes or over notes. She goes around the notes or over you know she just you know she just you know she just >> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> things that she does or her voice. >> things that she does or her voice. >> things that she does or her voice. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> Yeah. And one of them wants >> Yeah. And one of them wants >> Yeah. And one of them wants >> And one of them wants four fried >> And one of them wants four fried >> And one of them wants four fried chickens and a Coke. And the other one chickens and a Coke. And the other one chickens and a Coke. And the other one wants dry white toast. wants dry white toast. wants dry white toast. >> Oh my god, you guys. >> Oh my god, you guys. >> Oh my god, you guys. >> Blues Brothers. Blues Brothers. >> Blues Brothers. Blues Brothers. >> Blues Brothers. Blues Brothers. >> Blues Brothers. >> Blues Brothers. >> Blues Brothers. >> I got to watch all these movies again. >> I got to watch all these movies again. >> I got to watch all these movies again. Dude, you you amazing memory. Dude, you you amazing memory. Dude, you you amazing memory. >> We're on a mission from God here. >> We're on a mission from God here. >> We're on a mission from God here. >> We're on a mission from God. >> We're on a mission from God. >> We're on a mission from God. >> Anybody going to SF Tech Week next week >> Anybody going to SF Tech Week next week >> Anybody going to SF Tech Week next week >> in San Francisco? No. >> in San Francisco? No. >> in San Francisco? No. >> No. I'm going to Semicom West. Um >> No. I'm going to Semicom West. Um >> No. I'm going to Semicom West. Um getting deep into semiconductor semicon getting deep into semiconductor semicon getting deep into semiconductor semicon kind of kind of kind of >> beneath beneath the wafer. >> beneath beneath the wafer. >> beneath beneath the wafer. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So $10,000 casters and you know >> So $10,000 casters and you know >> So $10,000 casters and you know >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> I'm going to go to >> I'm going to go to >> I'm going to go to >> I'm going to Orlando next week for the >> I'm going to Orlando next week for the >> I'm going to Orlando next week for the IBM Tech Exchange. IBM Tech Exchange. IBM Tech Exchange. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Cool. >> Cool. >> Cool. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Who knew, >> Yeah. Who knew, >> Yeah. Who knew, >> right? Yeah, I'm >> right? Yeah, I'm >> right? Yeah, I'm >> I don't have any details yet that I can >> I don't have any details yet that I can >> I don't have any details yet that I can share, but I think I may be at Black Hat share, but I think I may be at Black Hat share, but I think I may be at Black Hat in Saudi Arabia.

in Saudi Arabia. in Saudi Arabia. >> Oh, nice. >> Oh, nice. >> Oh, nice. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. >> I I'll fill you in once the details come >> I I'll fill you in once the details come >> I I'll fill you in once the details come in. in. in. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> B YO BS. Uh, bring your own bone saw, I >> B YO BS. Uh, bring your own bone saw, I >> B YO BS. Uh, bring your own bone saw, I think, is think, is think, is >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Okay, we're going to have to push this >> Okay, we're going to have to push this >> Okay, we're going to have to push this episode off. episode off. episode off. >> All right. Oh my god. Oh my god. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Uh yeah. Well, who says that we we >> Yeah. Uh yeah. Well, who says that we we >> Yeah. Uh yeah. Well, who says that we we aren't controversial? aren't controversial? aren't controversial? >> Is anybody anybody going to be in Vegas >> Is anybody anybody going to be in Vegas >> Is anybody anybody going to be in Vegas the week after next? Because there's the week after next? Because there's the week after next? Because there's like three different conferences all at like three different conferences all at like three different conferences all at the same time there. the same time there. the same time there. >> Nope. Nope. That's my DC week. >> Nope. Nope. That's my DC week. >> Nope. Nope. That's my DC week. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> DC week. >> DC week. >> DC week. >> PSA. By the way, anyone who's going to >> PSA. By the way, anyone who's going to >> PSA. By the way, anyone who's going to be in Taiwan or the area November 11th be in Taiwan or the area November 11th be in Taiwan or the area November 11th and 12th in Taipei, we're going to have and 12th in Taipei, we're going to have and 12th in Taipei, we're going to have our AJI Taipei 2025. So, still some our AJI Taipei 2025. So, still some our AJI Taipei 2025. So, still some >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> It's going to be rocking. We got Dell >> It's going to be rocking. We got Dell >> It's going to be rocking. We got Dell there at Ventech, there at Ventech, there at Ventech, >> bunch of startups, >> bunch of startups, >> bunch of startups, >> panel workshop, >> panel workshop, >> panel workshop, >> risk five, blah blah blah. So, >> risk five, blah blah blah. So, >> risk five, blah blah blah. So, >> too much stuff.

>> too much stuff. >> too much stuff. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> Too many places to go, too many things. >> Too many places to go, too many things. >> Too many places to go, too many things. Yeah, we there's a thing coming up in Yeah, we there's a thing coming up in Yeah, we there's a thing coming up in South Africa at the end of this month, a South Africa at the end of this month, a South Africa at the end of this month, a big big AI show there. Um, yeah, it's big big AI show there. Um, yeah, it's big big AI show there. Um, yeah, it's it's really crazy the amount of stuff it's really crazy the amount of stuff it's really crazy the amount of stuff happening uh in real time, in real space happening uh in real time, in real space happening uh in real time, in real space as well as virtual. So, got to pick and as well as virtual. So, got to pick and as well as virtual. So, got to pick and choose. choose. choose. >> Yeah, you do. >> Yeah, you do. >> Yeah, you do. >> Glow Trotters. Gloers. >> Glow Trotters. Gloers. >> Glow Trotters. Gloers. >> Especially you, Debbie. Geez, you're >> Especially you, Debbie. Geez, you're >> Especially you, Debbie. Geez, you're like all over the place. You're in like all over the place. You're in like all over the place. You're in Finland. You're going to Finland. You're going to Finland. You're going to >> Yeah, those are >> Yeah, those are >> Yeah, those are >> Lake Geneva to the Finland station. >> Lake Geneva to the Finland station. >> Lake Geneva to the Finland station. >> I'd like to go to Saudi Arabia. I'm not >> I'd like to go to Saudi Arabia. I'm not >> I'd like to go to Saudi Arabia. I'm not sure if I'm invited anymore, but sure if I'm invited anymore, but sure if I'm invited anymore, but >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. Yeah, you know, Yeah, you know, Yeah, you know, >> well, I did get to see our friend Ryan >> well, I did get to see our friend Ryan >> well, I did get to see our friend Ryan Trice a few days ago and he was in Trice a few days ago and he was in Trice a few days ago and he was in Houston for a cyber security event. You Houston for a cyber security event. You Houston for a cyber security event. You know, he works for Freewave. So, they know, he works for Freewave. So, they know, he works for Freewave. So, they make edge AI, edge gateway things with make edge AI, edge gateway things with make edge AI, edge gateway things with 900 MHz radios and cellular and so cool. 900 MHz radios and cellular and so cool. 900 MHz radios and cellular and so cool. >> It's good to catch up with Ryan. >> It's good to catch up with Ryan. >> It's good to catch up with Ryan. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How's Texas?

>> How's Texas? >> How's Texas? >> It's hot and humid. >> It's hot and humid. >> It's hot and humid. >> Is that why your your your image is so >> Is that why your your your image is so >> Is that why your your your image is so fuzzy because there's like fuzzy because there's like fuzzy because there's like >> I don't know. That's >> I don't know. That's >> I don't know. That's >> moisture on the lens. >> moisture on the lens. >> moisture on the lens. >> Yeah, it's moisture. Yeah. No, I don't >> Yeah, it's moisture. Yeah. No, I don't >> Yeah, it's moisture. Yeah. No, I don't know. know. know. >> And I And like in in four minutes from >> And I And like in in four minutes from >> And I And like in in four minutes from now, I have to get on and talk to all now, I have to get on and talk to all now, I have to get on and talk to all these people from Google these people from Google these people from Google >> about about the cloud pulse survey and >> about about the cloud pulse survey and >> about about the cloud pulse survey and they should they should they should >> Google. >> Google. >> Google. >> A bunch of Googlers. I'm have to pitch a >> A bunch of Googlers. I'm have to pitch a >> A bunch of Googlers. I'm have to pitch a bunch of Googlers here in a few minutes. bunch of Googlers here in a few minutes. bunch of Googlers here in a few minutes. So, So, So, >> okay. >> okay. >> okay. Gemini results for Donald Trump Gemini results for Donald Trump Gemini results for Donald Trump dementia. dementia. dementia. >> Yeah. So needless to say, they >> Yeah. So needless to say, they >> Yeah. So needless to say, they disregarded our teams meeting and gave disregarded our teams meeting and gave disregarded our teams meeting and gave back a meet back a meet back a meet >> and they also I have I was I have Excel >> and they also I have I was I have Excel >> and they also I have I was I have Excel spreadsheets to show. I have powerpoints spreadsheets to show. I have powerpoints spreadsheets to show. I have powerpoints >> and I got the word that it's like don't >> and I got the word that it's like don't >> and I got the word that it's like don't you dare do that and so I imported my you dare do that and so I imported my you dare do that and so I imported my Excel into sheets and my PowerPoint into Excel into sheets and my PowerPoint into Excel into sheets and my PowerPoint into slides and I'm going to go full Google slides and I'm going to go full Google slides and I'm going to go full Google on them. on them. on them. >> That's that's um that's a very modern >> That's that's um that's a very modern >> That's that's um that's a very modern way of approaching things, right? way of approaching things, right? way of approaching things, right? >> Oh yeah. Uh well at least they're well >> Oh yeah. Uh well at least they're well >> Oh yeah. Uh well at least they're well they're paying the bills I assume. So they're paying the bills I assume. So they're paying the bills I assume. So >> they're paying the bills and and >> they're paying the bills and and >> they're paying the bills and and apparently they they secretly not so apparently they they secretly not so apparently they they secretly not so secretly make fun of people IDC or secretly make fun of people IDC or secretly make fun of people IDC or analysts who are totally incapable of analysts who are totally incapable of analysts who are totally incapable of using their tools and they're bending using their tools and they're bending using their tools and they're bending over backwards to get Excel and over backwards to get Excel and over backwards to get Excel and PowerPoint and everything to work and PowerPoint and everything to work and PowerPoint and everything to work and meet and like meet and like meet and like >> but luckily since we are much smarter >> but luckily since we are much smarter >> but luckily since we are much smarter than most people we can figure this than most people we can figure this than most people we can figure this out.

out. out. >> Smarter than the average bear. >> Smarter than the average bear. >> Smarter than the average bear. >> All right. So why don't you take us out >> All right. So why don't you take us out >> All right. So why don't you take us out then? then? then? >> Okay. It's going to be a fast takeout, >> Okay. It's going to be a fast takeout, >> Okay. It's going to be a fast takeout, right? Okay. right? Okay. right? Okay. It's been so great to spend all this It's been so great to spend all this It's been so great to spend all this time with you today. It's all about time with you today. It's all about time with you today. It's all about uplifting. uplifting. uplifting. Lift up your neighbors. Pull together. Lift up your neighbors. Pull together. Lift up your neighbors. Pull together. We build this wonderful system together We build this wonderful system together We build this wonderful system together that keeps everybody safe. Keeps that keeps everybody safe. Keeps that keeps everybody safe. Keeps everybody off the streets of healthcare everybody off the streets of healthcare everybody off the streets of healthcare and Oh, wait. It's IoT coffee talk. We and Oh, wait. It's IoT coffee talk. We and Oh, wait. It's IoT coffee talk. We got connected stuff. We got analytics. got connected stuff. We got analytics. got connected stuff. We got analytics. We got AI. We got hearts coming out of We got AI. We got hearts coming out of We got AI. We got hearts coming out of Leonard. It's great, man. um do that Leonard. It's great, man. um do that Leonard. It's great, man. um do that stuff. Sometimes you might even do a stuff. Sometimes you might even do a stuff. Sometimes you might even do a digital twin or you might use for just digital twin or you might use for just digital twin or you might use for just IoT for great situational awareness, you IoT for great situational awareness, you IoT for great situational awareness, you know, like when Pete goes and talks to know, like when Pete goes and talks to know, like when Pete goes and talks to the military folks in in Washington DC, the military folks in in Washington DC, the military folks in in Washington DC, right? It's all a good thing. Uh always right? It's all a good thing. Uh always right? It's all a good thing. Uh always good to have you here. I hope to see you good to have you here. I hope to see you good to have you here. I hope to see you next week and every other week on into next week and every other week on into next week and every other week on into the future. And I'm sure 100 years from the future. And I'm sure 100 years from the future. And I'm sure 100 years from now, our avatars will still be doing now, our avatars will still be doing now, our avatars will still be doing this. I know it'll happen.

this. I know it'll happen. this. I know it'll happen. >> Yeah. That's how we're going to train >> Yeah. That's how we're going to train >> Yeah. That's how we're going to train our advertisers off of our advertisers off of our advertisers off of >> We're training them right now. Just like >> We're training them right now. Just like >> We're training them right now. Just like >> as we speak Tupac. >> as we speak Tupac. >> as we speak Tupac. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Adios. Muchachos. Adios. Muchachos. Adios. Muchachos. [Music]