IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 307 - "Fly Me to The Moon" (Avoiding the Coming Abundance Badlands)

>> Nice. Wow. Little surf rock there. A >> Nice. Wow. Little surf rock there. A little dick tail. You know, I got really bad food You know, I got really bad food poisoning or uh stomach flu at the poisoning or uh stomach flu at the poisoning or uh stomach flu at the beginning of the beginning of the beginning of the >> Oh, no. >> Oh, no. >> Oh, no. >> week and my nervous system is not back. >> week and my nervous system is not back. >> week and my nervous system is not back. >> Wow. I can't play guitar. >> Wow. I can't play guitar. >> Wow. I can't play guitar. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> I thought it sounded pretty good. >> I thought it sounded pretty good. >> I thought it sounded pretty good. >> Is Isn't Isn't it your normal state? >> Is Isn't Isn't it your normal state? >> Is Isn't Isn't it your normal state? Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. >> Uh some are would argue yes. I can't >> Uh some are would argue yes. I can't >> Uh some are would argue yes. I can't talk. I was on a talk. I was on a talk. I was on a >> You can't talk. You can't play. You just >> You can't talk. You can't play. You just >> You can't talk. You can't play. You just But you just knocked it out of the park, But you just knocked it out of the park, But you just knocked it out of the park, dude. dude. dude. >> I um >> I um >> I um >> So Rob's got a new haircut. I haven't >> So Rob's got a new haircut. I haven't >> So Rob's got a new haircut. I haven't been here for a while, so been here for a while, so been here for a while, so >> I got a haircut. Yeah, >> I got a haircut. Yeah, >> I got a haircut. Yeah, >> you look great, dude. Your camera? >> you look great, dude. Your camera? >> you look great, dude. Your camera? >> Yeah, camera's >> Yeah, camera's >> Yeah, camera's >> marvelous. >> marvelous. >> marvelous. >> Marvelous. >> Marvelous. >> Marvelous. >> It's actually Yeah, it looks looks like >> It's actually Yeah, it looks looks like >> It's actually Yeah, it looks looks like >> you got a 4K camera or something like >> you got a 4K camera or something like >> you got a 4K camera or something like that. that. that. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just on a different >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just on a different >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just on a different laptop and I'm sitting outside on the laptop and I'm sitting outside on the laptop and I'm sitting outside on the deck. Yeah, it's deck. Yeah, it's deck. Yeah, it's >> it's amazing what light can do.

>> it's amazing what light can do. >> it's amazing what light can do. >> Light is amazing. Absolutely. Oh my >> Light is amazing. Absolutely. Oh my >> Light is amazing. Absolutely. Oh my gosh. gosh. gosh. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, hey everyone, welcome to IoT Coffee >> So, hey everyone, welcome to IoT Coffee >> So, hey everyone, welcome to IoT Coffee Talk. Remember, we're here just for fun. Talk. Remember, we're here just for fun. Talk. Remember, we're here just for fun. Take us seriously Take us seriously Take us seriously at your own peril. And we highly at your own peril. And we highly at your own peril. And we highly encourage you that you don't and that encourage you that you don't and that encourage you that you don't and that you're just here to have some fun. And you're just here to have some fun. And you're just here to have some fun. And we're going to blow off steam because we're going to blow off steam because we're going to blow off steam because that's what we do at the end of the that's what we do at the end of the that's what we do at the end of the week. week. week. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> Yeah. If your eyes and ears could only >> Yeah. If your eyes and ears could only >> Yeah. If your eyes and ears could only see what we've seen through the the see what we've seen through the the see what we've seen through the the week. week. week. >> Beats us. >> Beats us. >> Beats us. >> Shocking. Shocking. >> Shocking. Shocking. >> Shocking. Shocking. >> I mean, >> I mean, >> I mean, >> that Rucker Rucker Hower uh scene where >> that Rucker Rucker Hower uh scene where >> that Rucker Rucker Hower uh scene where you know where he uh you know where he uh you know where he uh >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Tears in the rain. Tears in the rain. >> Tears in the rain. Tears in the rain. >> Tears in the rain. Tears in the rain. >> Tears in the rain. >> Tears in the rain. >> Tears in the rain. That was such a great movie. That was such a great movie. That was such a great movie. >> That was good. That was good. So good. >> That was good. That was good. So good. >> That was good. That was good. So good. Blade Runner. Blade Runner. Blade Runner. >> That was really good. For some reason, >> That was really good. For some reason, >> That was really good. For some reason, when I think of Ruter Howard, this is a when I think of Ruter Howard, this is a when I think of Ruter Howard, this is a really obscure movie reference. Do you really obscure movie reference. Do you really obscure movie reference. Do you remember there's a movie called remember there's a movie called remember there's a movie called Nighthawks or something with Sylvester Nighthawks or something with Sylvester Nighthawks or something with Sylvester Stallone and Ruterhower?

Stallone and Ruterhower? Stallone and Ruterhower? >> Ruter Hower's the bad guy. >> Ruter Hower's the bad guy. >> Ruter Hower's the bad guy. >> And remember before he would kill a >> And remember before he would kill a >> And remember before he would kill a person, he'd go, "You go to a better person, he'd go, "You go to a better person, he'd go, "You go to a better life." life." life." >> Anyway, I don't know why that popped my >> Anyway, I don't know why that popped my >> Anyway, I don't know why that popped my head, but head, but head, but >> well, because he's a lot of things. He's >> well, because he's a lot of things. He's >> well, because he's a lot of things. He's probably right nowadays. He's probably probably right nowadays. He's probably probably right nowadays. He's probably right. [laughter] right. [laughter] right. [laughter] >> Well, you know, it's it's interesting, >> Well, you know, it's it's interesting, >> Well, you know, it's it's interesting, >> you know, how much things have changed >> you know, how much things have changed >> you know, how much things have changed because, you know, I made this post because, you know, I made this post because, you know, I made this post recently recently recently uh about uh AI generated app vibecoded uh about uh AI generated app vibecoded uh about uh AI generated app vibecoded app slot app slot app slot >> and it's going viral, dude. It's like >> and it's going viral, dude. It's like >> and it's going viral, dude. It's like crazy and totally unexpected cuz I never crazy and totally unexpected cuz I never crazy and totally unexpected cuz I never intended to that the algorithm would intended to that the algorithm would intended to that the algorithm would pick it up and just taking into the pick it up and just taking into the pick it up and just taking into the stratosphere. Um, but it really stratosphere. Um, but it really stratosphere. Um, but it really >> it makes you appreciate those days of um >> it makes you appreciate those days of um >> it makes you appreciate those days of um blockbusters where blockbusters where blockbusters where you know content creators really had to you know content creators really had to you know content creators really had to struggle to um make it. there was a lot struggle to um make it. there was a lot struggle to um make it. there was a lot of friction, right? And as consumers, we of friction, right? And as consumers, we of friction, right? And as consumers, we didn't have so much stuff to focus on didn't have so much stuff to focus on didn't have so much stuff to focus on and so we could kind of live our lives, and so we could kind of live our lives, and so we could kind of live our lives, right? Not be so distracted by content, right? Not be so distracted by content, right? Not be so distracted by content, constant stream of content and everyone constant stream of content and everyone constant stream of content and everyone just sticking stuff in your face.

just sticking stuff in your face. just sticking stuff in your face. So you know this whole slot problem is So you know this whole slot problem is So you know this whole slot problem is actually an outcome of democratization actually an outcome of democratization actually an outcome of democratization of of u tools that people like this is of of u tools that people like this is of of u tools that people like this is this is a result this [clears throat] this is a result this [clears throat] this is a result this [clears throat] you know you know you know >> yeah well I mean YouTube you could argue >> yeah well I mean YouTube you could argue >> yeah well I mean YouTube you could argue the past 10 years right we used to have the past 10 years right we used to have the past 10 years right we used to have three channels on our TV and now we have three channels on our TV and now we have three channels on our TV and now we have YouTube we can watch it all day long YouTube we can watch it all day long YouTube we can watch it all day long right consume all the content out there right consume all the content out there right consume all the content out there >> yeah but you know have their own talk >> yeah but you know have their own talk >> yeah but you know have their own talk show about IoT you show about IoT you show about IoT you So are you guys saying that the more we So are you guys saying that the more we So are you guys saying that the more we democratize things and make level the democratize things and make level the democratize things and make level the playing field, playing field, playing field, it creates more slop? it creates more slop? it creates more slop? >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes. [laughter] >> Well, the problem is you level the >> Well, the problem is you level the >> Well, the problem is you level the playing field, but the level's down playing field, but the level's down playing field, but the level's down here. It's way down here. That's the here. It's way down here. That's the here. It's way down here. That's the level. level. level. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Well, technology is just an accelerator >> Well, technology is just an accelerator >> Well, technology is just an accelerator of exposing what humans can do. of exposing what humans can do. of exposing what humans can do. >> Yeah. Well, [clears throat] everything >> Yeah. Well, [clears throat] everything >> Yeah. Well, [clears throat] everything becomes a an output of con convenience, becomes a an output of con convenience, becomes a an output of con convenience, right? It's convenient now to produce right? It's convenient now to produce right? It's convenient now to produce content from middle of a rallies or content from middle of a rallies or content from middle of a rallies or whatever, you know, wherever Pete is, whatever, you know, wherever Pete is, whatever, you know, wherever Pete is, right? At the right? At the right? At the >> pancake house.

>> pancake house. >> pancake house. >> Yeah, pancake house. You can just like >> Yeah, pancake house. You can just like >> Yeah, pancake house. You can just like freaking make content and uh [laughter] freaking make content and uh [laughter] freaking make content and uh [laughter] publish to the entire universe, publish to the entire universe, publish to the entire universe, >> right? The slop, you know, I'm having >> right? The slop, you know, I'm having >> right? The slop, you know, I'm having flashbacks now. So, in the being a flashbacks now. So, in the being a flashbacks now. So, in the being a writer in the publishing industry, you writer in the publishing industry, you writer in the publishing industry, you know, there used to be these know, there used to be these know, there used to be these gatekeepers, these handful of agents gatekeepers, these handful of agents gatekeepers, these handful of agents companies in New York City that you had companies in New York City that you had companies in New York City that you had to go through to get an agent to write a to go through to get an agent to write a to go through to get an agent to write a book for one of the big publishing book for one of the big publishing book for one of the big publishing houses in New York. And that was the houses in New York. And that was the houses in New York. And that was the only way. And you're going to get on the only way. And you're going to get on the only way. And you're going to get on the shelves at Barnes & Noble and Borders. shelves at Barnes & Noble and Borders. shelves at Barnes & Noble and Borders. And then print on demand came out and And then print on demand came out and And then print on demand came out and then Amazon came out and the Kindle then Amazon came out and the Kindle then Amazon came out and the Kindle >> and now all of a sudden everybody can >> and now all of a sudden everybody can >> and now all of a sudden everybody can publish and everybody can be an author publish and everybody can be an author publish and everybody can be an author which sounds great but we get a lot of which sounds great but we get a lot of which sounds great but we get a lot of slop. slop. slop. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> You know, >> You know, >> by the way, let me do a little let me do >> by the way, let me do a little let me do >> by the way, let me do a little let me do a little publishing because a friend of a little publishing because a friend of a little publishing because a friend of mine actually just wrote a public mine actually just wrote a public mine actually just wrote a public published a book that's actually really published a book that's actually really published a book that's actually really good. spoken of Vectorus and uh and he's good. spoken of Vectorus and uh and he's good. spoken of Vectorus and uh and he's a self-published powerful self-published a self-published powerful self-published a self-published powerful self-published but it's a really good kind of near but it's a really good kind of near but it's a really good kind of near future science fiction book about the future science fiction book about the future science fiction book about the effects of AI and uh book and sort of effects of AI and uh book and sort of effects of AI and uh book and sort of profiling populations and manipulating profiling populations and manipulating profiling populations and manipulating populations but it's called the vector populations but it's called the vector populations but it's called the vector list and uh friend of mine just wrote it list and uh friend of mine just wrote it list and uh friend of mine just wrote it to even I know we're talking about slop to even I know we're talking about slop to even I know we're talking about slop so it's probably not a good time to so it's probably not a good time to so it's probably not a good time to pitch it but it's a [laughter] good book pitch it but it's a [laughter] good book pitch it but it's a [laughter] good book to it's a good book to read. It's really to it's a good book to read. It's really to it's a good book to read. It's really actually quite good.

actually quite good. actually quite good. >> It's on Amazon activity. >> It's on Amazon activity. >> It's on Amazon activity. >> Oh, that's awesome. >> Oh, that's awesome. >> Oh, that's awesome. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> So, yeah, in in that in that moment >> So, yeah, in in that in that moment >> So, yeah, in in that in that moment though, as you said, like anyone can do though, as you said, like anyone can do though, as you said, like anyone can do it, but that also enables people to do it, but that also enables people to do it, but that also enables people to do things that otherwise wouldn't have been things that otherwise wouldn't have been things that otherwise wouldn't have been able to go through all the able to go through all the able to go through all the in that sense. in that sense. in that sense. >> It does enable their flower to bloom. >> It does enable their flower to bloom. >> It does enable their flower to bloom. Some of them are weeds and some of them Some of them are weeds and some of them Some of them are weeds and some of them roses. roses. roses. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Um >> Um >> Um Yeah. And so I think the counterpoint to Yeah. And so I think the counterpoint to Yeah. And so I think the counterpoint to that argument is that uh it it expands that argument is that uh it it expands that argument is that uh it it expands the field of weeds versus the roses. And the field of weeds versus the roses. And the field of weeds versus the roses. And you know I think the roses would have you know I think the roses would have you know I think the roses would have risen to the top anyway, right? You risen to the top anyway, right? You risen to the top anyway, right? You roses are still roses. roses are still roses. roses are still roses. >> Yeah. The only Yeah, roses are still >> Yeah. The only Yeah, roses are still >> Yeah. The only Yeah, roses are still roses. And uh you know there is a degree roses. And uh you know there is a degree roses. And uh you know there is a degree of economic benefit. It can expose some of economic benefit. It can expose some of economic benefit. It can expose some roses by lowering the cost of entry to a roses by lowering the cost of entry to a roses by lowering the cost of entry to a certain degree, but I don't think it's certain degree, but I don't think it's certain degree, but I don't think it's so dramatic um that someone who is so dramatic um that someone who is so dramatic um that someone who is talented talented talented uh and is a rose couldn't rise without uh and is a rose couldn't rise without uh and is a rose couldn't rise without that um you know let's say more that um you know let's say more that um you know let's say more equalized equalized equalized um you know platform equalizing platform um you know platform equalizing platform um you know platform equalizing platform or democratizing platform. I I I think or democratizing platform. I I I think or democratizing platform. I I I think that's just that because you know all that's just that because you know all that's just that because you know all this this stuff has not turned out just this this stuff has not turned out just this this stuff has not turned out just like no one can figure out all any of like no one can figure out all any of like no one can figure out all any of this abundance right? It's the this abundance right? It's the this abundance right? It's the same thing. It's just some academic

same thing. It's just some academic same thing. It's just some academic concept that is sold as something that concept that is sold as something that concept that is sold as something that is positive but doesn't necessarily have is positive but doesn't necessarily have is positive but doesn't necessarily have a positive outcome at the end of the a positive outcome at the end of the a positive outcome at the end of the day. Right. day. Right. day. Right. But it's the way we handled it because But it's the way we handled it because But it's the way we handled it because the the commoditization or the the the commoditization or the the the commoditization or the democratization platform makes sense but democratization platform makes sense but democratization platform makes sense but then the consequence as you said is the then the consequence as you said is the then the consequence as you said is the sheer volume exploded. So how do you sheer volume exploded. So how do you sheer volume exploded. So how do you sort the volume and the sorting of the sort the volume and the sorting of the sort the volume and the sorting of the the sorting of the volume mechanism are the sorting of the volume mechanism are the sorting of the volume mechanism are highly influencable now and and biased. highly influencable now and and biased. highly influencable now and and biased. So this is the the the problem is in the So this is the the the problem is in the So this is the the the problem is in the is in the yeah again the triage the is in the yeah again the triage the is in the yeah again the triage the triage mechanism are not necessarily triage mechanism are not necessarily triage mechanism are not necessarily controlled by the value of the content controlled by the value of the content controlled by the value of the content but they can be controlled by you know but they can be controlled by you know but they can be controlled by you know in some regimes it's by the government in some regimes it's by the government in some regimes it's by the government in others is by advertisers or it's by in others is by advertisers or it's by in others is by advertisers or it's by power. So that's the problem is the power. So that's the problem is the power. So that's the problem is the triage mechanism. triage mechanism. triage mechanism. >> Yeah. Well yeah and then there's well it >> Yeah. Well yeah and then there's well it >> Yeah. Well yeah and then there's well it can also get um there is the cost of can also get um there is the cost of can also get um there is the cost of noise. So at some point yeah when you're noise. So at some point yeah when you're noise. So at some point yeah when you're talking about triage or just basically talking about triage or just basically talking about triage or just basically curating and uh clearing the field that curating and uh clearing the field that curating and uh clearing the field that that that would be the prime you know that that would be the prime you know that that would be the prime you know filter criteria filter criteria filter criteria >> but now but now we have the algorithm >> but now but now we have the algorithm >> but now but now we have the algorithm like you mentioned the algorithm looks like you mentioned the algorithm looks like you mentioned the algorithm looks for keywords like byproing AI slot and for keywords like byproing AI slot and for keywords like byproing AI slot and shoots it to like everyone's feed shoots it to like everyone's feed shoots it to like everyone's feed instantly because different back in the instantly because different back in the instantly because different back in the day when you had publishers booking day when you had publishers booking day when you had publishers booking >> yeah Maybe it's sort of a similar thing >> yeah Maybe it's sort of a similar thing >> yeah Maybe it's sort of a similar thing because back then I guess Barnes & Noble because back then I guess Barnes & Noble because back then I guess Barnes & Noble was the top of the tweet for a lot of

was the top of the tweet for a lot of was the top of the tweet for a lot of people. people. people. Now it's all all the way here as an individual. as an individual. >> Hey, you know, you're sounding worse and >> Hey, you know, you're sounding worse and >> Hey, you know, you're sounding worse and worse for some reason. You sounded worse for some reason. You sounded worse for some reason. You sounded really great. Now you sound like really great. Now you sound like really great. Now you sound like >> mumbly. You need your >> mumbly. You need your >> mumbly. You need your my Bluetooth. Yeah, I think it's Suburu my Bluetooth. Yeah, I think it's Suburu my Bluetooth. Yeah, I think it's Suburu that disc is getting a little function. that disc is getting a little function. that disc is getting a little function. >> I love how you're you're leaning in >> I love how you're you're leaning in >> I love how you're you're leaning in closer to your laptop. closer to your laptop. closer to your laptop. >> Something like that's going to end. >> Something like that's going to end. >> Something like that's going to end. >> Get the backup AirPods stat. >> Get the backup AirPods stat. >> Get the backup AirPods stat. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Happened. Apple >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Happened. Apple >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Happened. Apple failed this week. [laughter] failed this week. [laughter] failed this week. [laughter] >> When in doubt, when in doubt, use wired >> When in doubt, when in doubt, use wired >> When in doubt, when in doubt, use wired headphones. headphones. headphones. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> The good old microphone >> The good old microphone >> The good old microphone >> or take off the take off the Noise >> or take off the take off the Noise >> or take off the take off the Noise cancellation. cancellation. cancellation. Take off the the adaptive noise Take off the the adaptive noise Take off the the adaptive noise cancellation. cancellation. cancellation. >> Do you remember what this is, Pete? Do >> Do you remember what this is, Pete? Do >> Do you remember what this is, Pete? Do you remember that? you remember that? you remember that? >> What is that? >> What is that? >> What is that? >> It's a cable. It's a cable. It connects >> It's a cable. It's a cable. It connects >> It's a cable. It's a cable. It connects one thing to another.

one thing to another. one thing to another. >> Well, you know, this is the interesting >> Well, you know, this is the interesting >> Well, you know, this is the interesting thing. Sometimes AI can fail at the end thing. Sometimes AI can fail at the end thing. Sometimes AI can fail at the end point and then you you just have to have point and then you you just have to have point and then you you just have to have it at the [laughter] the nearest edge it at the [laughter] the nearest edge it at the [laughter] the nearest edge infrastructure, which might be your infrastructure, which might be your infrastructure, which might be your laptop. Just let your laptop handle the laptop. Just let your laptop handle the laptop. Just let your laptop handle the the AI part. the AI part. the AI part. >> It reminds me when Dr. Evil said freedom >> It reminds me when Dr. Evil said freedom >> It reminds me when Dr. Evil said freedom failed, Mr. Powers. [snorts] [snorts] >> Help. >> Help. >> Help. >> That might be another thing that was >> That might be another thing that was >> That might be another thing that was right. Rob, right. Rob, right. Rob, >> we're not so different, you and I. >> we're not so different, you and I. >> we're not so different, you and I. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> You're not so >> You're not so >> You're not so you're you're getting us very you're you're getting us very you're you're getting us very philosophical philosophical philosophical valuable [clears throat] quotes, Rob, valuable [clears throat] quotes, Rob, valuable [clears throat] quotes, Rob, which are very relevant nowadays today. which are very relevant nowadays today. which are very relevant nowadays today. you. you. you. >> I didn't even know I was being cultural. >> I didn't even know I was being cultural. >> I didn't even know I was being cultural. Doesn't it seem like every Well, Doesn't it seem like every Well, Doesn't it seem like every Well, certainly James Bond, but a lot of certainly James Bond, but a lot of certainly James Bond, but a lot of movies, the villain towards the end, movies, the villain towards the end, movies, the villain towards the end, they're facing off with the good guy and they're facing off with the good guy and they're facing off with the good guy and they're like, "Well, you we're not so they're like, "Well, you we're not so they're like, "Well, you we're not so different different different >> and there's that kind of shtick." I >> and there's that kind of shtick." I >> and there's that kind of shtick." I don't know. I don't know. Wow. Okay. So, don't know. I don't know. Wow. Okay. So, don't know. I don't know. Wow. Okay. So, we have a we have a spaceship heading we have a we have a spaceship heading we have a we have a spaceship heading towards towards towards >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yes. Finally. I was so excited. You >> Oh, yes. Finally. I was so excited. You >> Oh, yes. Finally. I was so excited. You know, one of one of my very I I don't know, one of one of my very I I don't know, one of one of my very I I don't have a lot of childhood memory, but one have a lot of childhood memory, but one have a lot of childhood memory, but one of the very few I have was actually the of the very few I have was actually the of the very few I have was actually the landing of the moon. I remember watching landing of the moon. I remember watching landing of the moon. I remember watching that on TV with my father on the giant that on TV with my father on the giant that on TV with my father on the giant black and white tube TV. black and white tube TV. black and white tube TV. >> I remember that. It's one of the very >> I remember that. It's one of the very >> I remember that. It's one of the very few images I have before 10 years old. few images I have before 10 years old. few images I have before 10 years old. >> So, I was super super excited. I watched >> So, I was super super excited. I watched >> So, I was super super excited. I watched it the rocket go out. it the rocket go out. it the rocket go out. >> That's so cool. There was some stat that said anyone who There was some stat that said anyone who is under 53 years old has never seen is under 53 years old has never seen is under 53 years old has never seen anybody on the moon or anything like it, anybody on the moon or anything like it, anybody on the moon or anything like it, you know, like you know, like you know, like >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Or did we? Or did we? >> Or did we? Or did we? >> Or did we? Or did we? >> Or did Well, if Bill Q was on, he would >> Or did Well, if Bill Q was on, he would >> Or did Well, if Bill Q was on, he would tell you this. tell you this. tell you this. >> We're going for the moon. >> We're going for the moon. >> We're going for the moon. >> We're going for the moon to the moon for >> We're going for the moon to the moon for >> We're going for the moon to the moon for the first time. the first time. the first time. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. Right. >> Well, yeah, you're right. By the way, >> Well, yeah, you're right. By the way, >> Well, yeah, you're right. By the way, it's fake again. What we saw from NASA it's fake again. What we saw from NASA it's fake again. What we saw from NASA was just, you know, an AI generated was just, you know, an AI generated was just, you know, an AI generated launch of a rocket. So, it didn't launch of a rocket. So, it didn't launch of a rocket. So, it didn't happen. Including all those posts on Tik happen. Including all those posts on Tik happen. Including all those posts on Tik Tok. Well, you saw Have you seen those Tok. Well, you saw Have you seen those Tok. Well, you saw Have you seen those posts from a from an airplane? Somebody posts from a from an airplane? Somebody posts from a from an airplane? Somebody the the the beautiful.

beautiful. beautiful. >> Yeah, there's a few like that floating >> Yeah, there's a few like that floating >> Yeah, there's a few like that floating around. around. around. >> Yeah, like planes flying over Florida >> Yeah, like planes flying over Florida >> Yeah, like planes flying over Florida and they got to check it out and that's and they got to check it out and that's and they got to check it out and that's pretty neat. That's cool. pretty neat. That's cool. pretty neat. That's cool. >> I remember seeing stuff like with a >> I remember seeing stuff like with a >> I remember seeing stuff like with a space shuttle like that before. Yeah, space shuttle like that before. Yeah, space shuttle like that before. Yeah, that's cool stuff. Yeah, it's pretty that's cool stuff. Yeah, it's pretty that's cool stuff. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. And it's funny that they, you amazing. And it's funny that they, you amazing. And it's funny that they, you know, um when they're broadcasting the know, um when they're broadcasting the know, um when they're broadcasting the event, they're using a digital visual event, they're using a digital visual event, they're using a digital visual digital twin. digital twin. digital twin. >> Yeah. The one, >> Yeah. The one, >> Yeah. The one, >> right? So, digital twins are going to be >> right? So, digital twins are going to be >> right? So, digital twins are going to be hot again because I mean, this is the hot again because I mean, this is the hot again because I mean, this is the classic case, right? classic case, right? classic case, right? >> Yeah. It's back, baby. >> Yeah. It's back, baby. >> Yeah. It's back, baby. >> Digital twins came from. >> Digital twins came from. >> Digital twins came from. >> Yeah. But the the very interesting thing >> Yeah. But the the very interesting thing >> Yeah. But the the very interesting thing about this uh this shot from a a about this uh this shot from a a about this uh this shot from a a commercial airplane is you get a much commercial airplane is you get a much commercial airplane is you get a much better sense of speed because it comes better sense of speed because it comes better sense of speed because it comes down from up, you know, because usually down from up, you know, because usually down from up, you know, because usually you see them from the ground going up you see them from the ground going up you see them from the ground going up and after a while it looks slow, but and after a while it looks slow, but and after a while it looks slow, but here it was you really see it slow slow here it was you really see it slow slow here it was you really see it slow slow fast. So it's a very fascinating shot fast. So it's a very fascinating shot fast. So it's a very fascinating shot from the top. I've never seen anything from the top. I've never seen anything from the top. I've never seen anything like that. like that. like that. >> Yeah. Really cool. Yeah. reminds me of >> Yeah. Really cool. Yeah. reminds me of >> Yeah. Really cool. Yeah. reminds me of um there was a drone shot in that um um there was a drone shot in that um um there was a drone shot in that um Apple Vision Pro um uh immersive movie Apple Vision Pro um uh immersive movie Apple Vision Pro um uh immersive movie um that has, you know, basically um uh um that has, you know, basically um uh um that has, you know, basically um uh it's uh like off of a aircraft carrier, it's uh like off of a aircraft carrier, it's uh like off of a aircraft carrier, right? And they have a flyby of F18s right? And they have a flyby of F18s right? And they have a flyby of F18s that's like midair, that's like midair, that's like midair, >> which you never get to really see, >> which you never get to really see, >> which you never get to really see, right? I mean, the thing is like going right? I mean, the thing is like going right? I mean, the thing is like going mock right past a a drone and it's a mock right past a a drone and it's a mock right past a a drone and it's a trick, especially in immersive media trick, especially in immersive media trick, especially in immersive media format, you know, but um Yeah.

format, you know, but um Yeah. format, you know, but um Yeah. >> So, they buzz the tower. >> So, they buzz the tower. >> So, they buzz the tower. >> Yeah, basically. Well, they buzzed the >> Yeah, basically. Well, they buzzed the >> Yeah, basically. Well, they buzzed the drone. They buzzed the drone drone. They buzzed the drone drone. They buzzed the drone >> like like Kid Rock's house. >> like like Kid Rock's house. >> like like Kid Rock's house. >> We got [laughter] Kid Rock with the >> We got [laughter] Kid Rock with the >> We got [laughter] Kid Rock with the helicopters. helicopters. helicopters. >> Jeez. Oh, man. >> Jeez. Oh, man. >> Jeez. Oh, man. >> Uh I'm sure that wasn't coordinated at >> Uh I'm sure that wasn't coordinated at >> Uh I'm sure that wasn't coordinated at all. That just kind of randomly all. That just kind of randomly all. That just kind of randomly happened. [clears throat] happened. [clears throat] happened. [clears throat] >> Yeah, it just happened. It just >> Yeah, it just happened. It just >> Yeah, it just happened. It just happened. happened. happened. >> It just happened. Things just happened, >> It just happened. Things just happened, >> It just happened. Things just happened, man. Wow. Wow. man. Wow. Wow. man. Wow. Wow. >> But you know what I thought was really >> But you know what I thought was really >> But you know what I thought was really interesting as you were watching the interesting as you were watching the interesting as you were watching the listening to the chatter between um listening to the chatter between um listening to the chatter between um Orion, right? The Orion Orion, right? The Orion Orion, right? The Orion um ship and uh was it Houston um ship and uh was it Houston um ship and uh was it Houston >> or who were they >> or who were they >> or who were they came with you in Cape Canaveral? came with you in Cape Canaveral? came with you in Cape Canaveral? >> Yeah. There were always um there there >> Yeah. There were always um there there >> Yeah. There were always um there there was always a a person in the middle was always a a person in the middle was always a a person in the middle checking the actual sensor reading to checking the actual sensor reading to checking the actual sensor reading to make sure that whatever telemetry was make sure that whatever telemetry was make sure that whatever telemetry was being sent back was accurate and what um being sent back was accurate and what um being sent back was accurate and what um you know the command center was seeing you know the command center was seeing you know the command center was seeing was the same as what was on the physical was the same as what was on the physical was the same as what was on the physical >> twin. You're saying there was a human in >> twin. You're saying there was a human in >> twin. You're saying there was a human in the loop in the loop the loop in the loop the loop in the loop >> after all these years. And it's it's >> after all these years. And it's it's >> after all these years. And it's it's supposed to be autonomous. That was an supposed to be autonomous. That was an supposed to be autonomous. That was an autonomous launch, right? They weren't autonomous launch, right? They weren't autonomous launch, right? They weren't screwing around with anything. It was screwing around with anything. It was screwing around with anything. It was like hands off. That was like hands off. That was like hands off. That was >> There's no There weren't guys with like >> There's no There weren't guys with like >> There's no There weren't guys with like white shirts there like glasses like white shirts there like glasses like white shirts there like glasses like other contraptions and using them.

other contraptions and using them. other contraptions and using them. >> Ah, you're you're really bad, dude. >> Ah, you're you're really bad, dude. >> Ah, you're you're really bad, dude. >> That was already >> That was already >> That was already >> Apple was failing today big time. >> Apple was failing today big time. >> Apple was failing today big time. >> But that was already the the case for >> But that was already the the case for >> But that was already the the case for Apollo missions learner. There was we Apollo missions learner. There was we Apollo missions learner. There was we only use I mean manual landing was used only use I mean manual landing was used only use I mean manual landing was used on Apollo 11 because they had a glitch on Apollo 11 because they had a glitch on Apollo 11 because they had a glitch at the end but everything was automatic. at the end but everything was automatic. at the end but everything was automatic. There was the pilot were not doing There was the pilot were not doing There was the pilot were not doing anything except entering the program anything except entering the program anything except entering the program number. number. number. >> Wow. But then you know think about how >> Wow. But then you know think about how >> Wow. But then you know think about how amazing that is. amazing that is. amazing that is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Ben. >> Ben. >> Ben. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And so it begs the question why didn't >> And so it begs the question why didn't >> And so it begs the question why didn't why the hell didn't we just like why the hell didn't we just like why the hell didn't we just like reconstruct a Saturn rocket and then reconstruct a Saturn rocket and then reconstruct a Saturn rocket and then save ourselves? There's a very good save ourselves? There's a very good save ourselves? There's a very good there's a very good uh there's a very there's a very good uh there's a very there's a very good uh there's a very good uh YouTube video from a guy I don't good uh YouTube video from a guy I don't good uh YouTube video from a guy I don't remember his name is from Cisco but remember his name is from Cisco but remember his name is from Cisco but light years ahead that explained how the light years ahead that explained how the light years ahead that explained how the Apollo guidance computer worked and how Apollo guidance computer worked and how Apollo guidance computer worked and how it was designed to actually fail and it was designed to actually fail and it was designed to actually fail and recover correctly so that it wouldn't recover correctly so that it wouldn't recover correctly so that it wouldn't put so it's a [clears throat] great put so it's a [clears throat] great put so it's a [clears throat] great great article I always recommend it great article I always recommend it great article I always recommend it because there are design principle that because there are design principle that because there are design principle that were highlighted that are still were highlighted that are still were highlighted that are still implemented in very high fall tolerance implemented in very high fall tolerance implemented in very high fall tolerance system nowadays but they are not common system nowadays but they are not common system nowadays but they are not common software engineering practice but if you software engineering practice but if you software engineering practice but if you apply those you That's rocket solid apply those you That's rocket solid apply those you That's rocket solid things that works whatever the things that works whatever the things that works whatever the condition.

condition. condition. >> This is perfect. Bill is on now. We're >> This is perfect. Bill is on now. We're >> This is perfect. Bill is on now. We're talking about going to the moon, dude. talking about going to the moon, dude. talking about going to the moon, dude. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> He's going to shut us. >> He's going to shut us. >> He's going to shut us. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He says it's all >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He says it's all >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He says it's all AI. [laughter] AI. [laughter] AI. [laughter] >> It's all AI. [snorts] >> It's all AI. [snorts] >> It's all AI. [snorts] >> Yeah. I'm I'm gonna leave that one >> Yeah. I'm I'm gonna leave that one >> Yeah. I'm I'm gonna leave that one alone, man. I mean, [laughter] alone, man. I mean, [laughter] alone, man. I mean, [laughter] you want to you want to you want to kick you want to you want to you want to kick you want to you want to you want to kick off Fafo Friday. So, off Fafo Friday. So, off Fafo Friday. So, >> here we go. [laughter] Here we go. I >> here we go. [laughter] Here we go. I >> here we go. [laughter] Here we go. I figured, Bill, I figured you were there figured, Bill, I figured you were there figured, Bill, I figured you were there on the beach in Titusville like going on the beach in Titusville like going on the beach in Titusville like going USA, USA. [laughter] >> Have you seen me there? I was I was >> Have you seen me there? I was I was hanging. hanging. hanging. >> You were there? Uh, >> You were there? Uh, >> You were there? Uh, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> I mean, I don't know. I don't know about >> I mean, I don't know. I don't know about >> I mean, I don't know. I don't know about all that, man. I mean, look, there's, all that, man. I mean, look, there's, all that, man. I mean, look, there's, you know, there's there's just there's you know, there's there's just there's you know, there's there's just there's just 50 50% on one hand, 50% on the just 50 50% on one hand, 50% on the just 50 50% on one hand, 50% on the other side. I mean, other side. I mean, other side. I mean, >> we did not have the flipping >> we did not have the flipping >> we did not have the flipping infrastructure to do that. infrastructure to do that. infrastructure to do that. >> Uh, yeah. Well, I don't know. >> Uh, yeah. Well, I don't know. >> Uh, yeah. Well, I don't know. >> We didn't >> We didn't >> We didn't >> I [clears throat] guess we'll see. We'll >> I [clears throat] guess we'll see. We'll >> I [clears throat] guess we'll see. We'll see. Maybe this was I mean, but you see. Maybe this was I mean, but you see. Maybe this was I mean, but you know, it is weird.

know, it is weird. know, it is weird. >> Which part do we not have the >> Which part do we not have the >> Which part do we not have the infrastructure for? Or even back in the infrastructure for? Or even back in the infrastructure for? Or even back in the day? What do you mean? day? What do you mean? day? What do you mean? >> Well, I mean, today we we do we do have >> Well, I mean, today we we do we do have >> Well, I mean, today we we do we do have the infrastructure for it. the infrastructure for it. the infrastructure for it. >> Yeah. But when you're talking about when >> Yeah. But when you're talking about when >> Yeah. But when you're talking about when you're talking about sending you're talking about sending you're talking about sending transmissions from the moon transmissions from the moon transmissions from the moon >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> back out. >> back out. >> back out. >> No, >> No, >> No, >> you just aim it. You aim your your Yagi >> you just aim it. You aim your your Yagi >> you just aim it. You aim your your Yagi antenna and you aim it at the Earth. antenna and you aim it at the Earth. antenna and you aim it at the Earth. >> You know what? I forgot about Yagi >> You know what? I forgot about Yagi >> You know what? I forgot about Yagi antennas. I forgot about all of that. I antennas. I forgot about all of that. I antennas. I forgot about all of that. I mean, and the range associated with it. mean, and the range associated with it. mean, and the range associated with it. I mean, it's it's Yeah, define physics. I mean, it's it's Yeah, define physics. I mean, it's it's Yeah, define physics. That's what we were doing. [laughter] That's what we were doing. [laughter] That's what we were doing. [laughter] >> Well, you have a lot of >> Well, you have a lot of >> Well, you have a lot of >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Bill, but it's >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Bill, but it's >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Bill, but it's very well documented. I can point you to very well documented. I can point you to very well documented. I can point you to the resource on that. It's been actually the resource on that. It's been actually the resource on that. It's been actually recreated on the ground. It actually recreated on the ground. It actually recreated on the ground. It actually takes takes takes >> the Bible is very well documented as >> the Bible is very well documented as >> the Bible is very well documented as well. well. well. >> Yeah, come on. I mean, >> Yeah, come on. I mean, >> Yeah, come on. I mean, >> I mean, I'm just saying it there's >> I mean, I'm just saying it there's >> I mean, I'm just saying it there's unless you were there and you actually unless you were there and you actually unless you were there and you actually did it. I'm sorry. It's suspect as hell. did it. I'm sorry. It's suspect as hell. did it. I'm sorry. It's suspect as hell. >> I know. I know people that rebuild it. >> I know. I know people that rebuild it. >> I know. I know people that rebuild it. They ex explain how it works, how it They ex explain how it works, how it They ex explain how it works, how it compensate for the Doppler effect in the compensate for the Doppler effect in the compensate for the Doppler effect in the transmission. It's a very great example transmission. It's a very great example transmission. It's a very great example of microwave communication at the very of microwave communication at the very of microwave communication at the very high level. I mean, it is scientifically high level. I mean, it is scientifically high level. I mean, it is scientifically proven proven proven >> at the highest level, man.

>> at the highest level, man. >> at the highest level, man. You're talking about the moon [laughter] You're talking about the moon [laughter] You're talking about the moon [laughter] >> or Voyager 1 in interstellar space. >> or Voyager 1 in interstellar space. >> or Voyager 1 in interstellar space. >> Go go go go go on YouTube, search >> Go go go go go on YouTube, search >> Go go go go go on YouTube, search >> search for Curious Mark. There's a whole >> search for Curious Mark. There's a whole >> search for Curious Mark. There's a whole session on the AGC and the communication session on the AGC and the communication session on the AGC and the communication between the moon and everything. There's between the moon and everything. There's between the moon and everything. There's the documentation, the diagrams, the the documentation, the diagrams, the the documentation, the diagrams, the physics, everything's documented. It physics, everything's documented. It physics, everything's documented. It worked and it [snorts] can be recreated. worked and it [snorts] can be recreated. worked and it [snorts] can be recreated. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> You know they are >> You know they are >> You know they are >> I'm sorry but you know [clears throat] >> I'm sorry but you know [clears throat] >> I'm sorry but you know [clears throat] PC PCM PCM communication already existed PC PCM PCM communication already existed PC PCM PCM communication already existed at that time. This it was there. It just at that time. This it was there. It just at that time. This it was there. It just the the difference was it cost millions the the difference was it cost millions the the difference was it cost millions and millions and millions to build it. and millions and millions to build it. and millions and millions to build it. Right now you have it for 700 bucks in Right now you have it for 700 bucks in Right now you have it for 700 bucks in your cell phone. But there's nothing your cell phone. But there's nothing your cell phone. But there's nothing different in the physics. I mean it's different in the physics. I mean it's different in the physics. I mean it's the same as going to going to the moon the same as going to going to the moon the same as going to going to the moon is gravity is the same. Newton laws are is gravity is the same. Newton laws are is gravity is the same. Newton laws are the same. The math is the same. the the same. The math is the same. the the same. The math is the same. the computers just computed much faster. computers just computed much faster. computers just computed much faster. >> Well, you know, >> Well, you know, >> Well, you know, >> we could debate we could debate we could >> we could debate we could debate we could >> we could debate we could debate we could debate this to the to the nth degree. debate this to the to the nth degree. debate this to the to the nth degree. Um, [laughter] Um, [laughter] Um, [laughter] >> yes, >> yes, >> yes, >> that's why we have this show and this is >> that's why we have this show and this is >> that's why we have this show and this is what makes people want [clears throat] what makes people want [clears throat] what makes people want [clears throat] to watch this show is cuz like to watch this show is cuz like to watch this show is cuz like this, man, [laughter] this, man, [laughter] this, man, [laughter] >> I was I was I mean I was in the I was in >> I was I was I mean I was in the I was in >> I was I was I mean I was in the I was in the Navy for six years. I worked on the Navy for six years. I worked on the Navy for six years. I worked on telecom equipment. I saw so much stuff telecom equipment. I saw so much stuff telecom equipment. I saw so much stuff from I mean with respect to how P3s were from I mean with respect to how P3s were from I mean with respect to how P3s were doing the things that they were doing in doing the things that they were doing in doing the things that they were doing in terms of identifying munitions and in terms of identifying munitions and in terms of identifying munitions and in underwater and all of that stuff. the underwater and all of that stuff. the underwater and all of that stuff. the the science is the science, man. But the the science is the science, man. But the the science is the science, man. But the fact physics is physics and to go from fact physics is physics and to go from fact physics is physics and to go from the moon the moon the moon >> down to Earth with the video and the No,

>> down to Earth with the video and the No, >> down to Earth with the video and the No, I'm I wouldn't I'm I wouldn't I'm I wouldn't >> For me, there's two things that um there >> For me, there's two things that um there >> For me, there's two things that um there are two things. One thing that makes me are two things. One thing that makes me are two things. One thing that makes me believe that we went to the moon is believe that we went to the moon is believe that we went to the moon is Tang. Tang. Tang. >> Well, well, there you go, folks. Tang, >> Well, well, there you go, folks. Tang, >> Well, well, there you go, folks. Tang, that's that's how we know. that's that's how we know. that's that's how we know. >> One of Okay. The the thing that makes me >> One of Okay. The the thing that makes me >> One of Okay. The the thing that makes me believe that we didn't go to the moon believe that we didn't go to the moon believe that we didn't go to the moon was that flag when they planted the flag was that flag when they planted the flag was that flag when they planted the flag and it has that little bar thing across and it has that little bar thing across and it has that little bar thing across it and then it's all crumpled and it and then it's all crumpled and it and then it's all crumpled and pointing in a weird direction. Either pointing in a weird direction. Either pointing in a weird direction. Either that flag was made out of tinfoil, it that flag was made out of tinfoil, it that flag was made out of tinfoil, it just I don't know. Uh that's the part just I don't know. Uh that's the part just I don't know. Uh that's the part that looks like a Hollywood production, that looks like a Hollywood production, that looks like a Hollywood production, >> but there's no wind and there's not >> but there's no wind and there's not >> but there's no wind and there's not enough gravity to keep it. So, of enough gravity to keep it. So, of enough gravity to keep it. So, of course, it's a piece of clothes with a course, it's a piece of clothes with a course, it's a piece of clothes with a frame. frame. frame. >> It has gravity. >> It has gravity. >> It has gravity. >> You would It would never stand. >> You would It would never stand. >> You would It would never stand. >> No, no, no. But it has gravity. There is >> No, no, no. But it has gravity. There is >> No, no, no. But it has gravity. There is gravity. gravity. gravity. >> Very little. >> Very little. >> Very little. >> There's no wind. But there's no wind. >> There's no wind. But there's no wind. >> There's no wind. But there's no wind. There's no atmosphere. Do you understand There's no atmosphere. Do you understand There's no atmosphere. Do you understand that? There's no atmosphere. You cannot that? There's no atmosphere. You cannot that? There's no atmosphere. You cannot >> No, no, no. I don't expect it to be >> No, no, no. I don't expect it to be >> No, no, no. I don't expect it to be flapping or anything like that. I just flapping or anything like that. I just flapping or anything like that. I just expect it to be like like you're you're expect it to be like like you're you're expect it to be like like you're you're hitting your flappy bird to try to make hitting your flappy bird to try to make hitting your flappy bird to try to make the wind.

the wind. the wind. >> Yeah. It's it's also documented. It's a >> Yeah. It's it's also documented. It's a >> Yeah. It's it's also documented. It's a piece of cloth and there's a frame piece of cloth and there's a frame piece of cloth and there's a frame behind to keep it straight. Otherwise, behind to keep it straight. Otherwise, behind to keep it straight. Otherwise, you wouldn't see you wouldn't see you wouldn't see >> Hey man, I have easy criteria, dude. It >> Hey man, I have easy criteria, dude. It >> Hey man, I have easy criteria, dude. It boils down to tang and the flag. So, boils down to tang and the flag. So, boils down to tang and the flag. So, [laughter] you know, I mean, I'm not [laughter] you know, I mean, I'm not [laughter] you know, I mean, I'm not making a big argument here. making a big argument here. making a big argument here. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> And so, they had to do an emergency >> And so, they had to do an emergency >> And so, they had to do an emergency repair of the toilet on the spaceship on repair of the toilet on the spaceship on repair of the toilet on the spaceship on this flight here. this flight here. this flight here. >> Oh my god. The whole thing. >> Oh my god. The whole thing. >> Oh my god. The whole thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's that's one thing they didn't have That's that's one thing they didn't have That's that's one thing they didn't have when they went to the moon, [laughter] when they went to the moon, [laughter] when they went to the moon, [laughter] >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Before. [snorts] >> Before. [snorts] >> Before. [snorts] >> Yeah. Yeah. That fake time. Yeah. They >> Yeah. Yeah. That fake time. Yeah. They >> Yeah. Yeah. That fake time. Yeah. They didn't have it then. Yeah. Now we got a didn't have it then. Yeah. Now we got a didn't have it then. Yeah. Now we got a toilet. It broke. toilet. It broke. toilet. It broke. >> Did Did they call Elon and ask him to >> Did Did they call Elon and ask him to >> Did Did they call Elon and ask him to send a plumber? send a plumber? send a plumber? >> They sent a plumber. I heard that the >> They sent a plumber. I heard that the >> They sent a plumber. I heard that the the astronaut I forgot what the woman's the astronaut I forgot what the woman's the astronaut I forgot what the woman's name is. And then she was talking to name is. And then she was talking to name is. And then she was talking to someone in Houston and they walked her someone in Houston and they walked her someone in Houston and they walked her through. through. through. >> It was just like the movie Apollo 13. >> It was just like the movie Apollo 13. >> It was just like the movie Apollo 13. how to fix how to fix how to fix >> they're breaking out stuff, you know, >> they're breaking out stuff, you know, >> they're breaking out stuff, you know, they're trying to figure out how they're trying to figure out how they're trying to figure out how [laughter] to put a square peg in a [laughter] to put a square peg in a [laughter] to put a square peg in a round hole and they're like, "All right, round hole and they're like, "All right, round hole and they're like, "All right, give me the We're going to Houston, give me the We're going to Houston, give me the We're going to Houston, we're going to need a procedure for this we're going to need a procedure for this we're going to need a procedure for this toilet in the next, I'd say, 10 minutes toilet in the next, I'd say, 10 minutes toilet in the next, I'd say, 10 minutes or we're going to die. We're working on or we're going to die. We're working on or we're going to die. We're working on it. Gary Senise is working on it. Just it. Gary Senise is working on it. Just it. Gary Senise is working on it. Just hang on there, Forest. It's fine."

hang on there, Forest. It's fine." hang on there, Forest. It's fine." >> You know, so uh but they worked they wor >> You know, so uh but they worked they wor >> You know, so uh but they worked they wor they worked the problem and fixed the they worked the problem and fixed the they worked the problem and fixed the toilet. Oh my god. toilet. Oh my god. toilet. Oh my god. >> It's much less glamorous than Apollo 13, >> It's much less glamorous than Apollo 13, >> It's much less glamorous than Apollo 13, I have to say. I have to say. I have to say. >> I hope they um Yeah, I hope they took a >> I hope they um Yeah, I hope they took a >> I hope they um Yeah, I hope they took a bottle of air freshener up there. bottle of air freshener up there. bottle of air freshener up there. >> Can you imagine if there was an accident >> Can you imagine if there was an accident >> Can you imagine if there was an accident and then you're you have to be stuck in and then you're you have to be stuck in and then you're you have to be stuck in that thing for 10 days? that thing for 10 days? that thing for 10 days? >> Can you imagine break you know like >> Can you imagine break you know like >> Can you imagine break you know like taking a bus from uh you know San taking a bus from uh you know San taking a bus from uh you know San Francisco to Seattle 12 hours [laughter] Francisco to Seattle 12 hours [laughter] Francisco to Seattle 12 hours [laughter] >> sitting next to the >> sitting next to the >> sitting next to the mode. mode. mode. >> Can you imagine if you were just the >> Can you imagine if you were just the >> Can you imagine if you were just the slightest bit claustrophobic? slightest bit claustrophobic? slightest bit claustrophobic? >> Ah, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Ah, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Ah, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Like when they're showing how small that >> Like when they're showing how small that >> Like when they're showing how small that capsule is that they're in and they're capsule is that they're in and they're capsule is that they're in and they're >> That's part of the That's the astronaut >> That's part of the That's the astronaut >> That's part of the That's the astronaut bedding and training process. But bedding and training process. But bedding and training process. But >> because apparently it's the same size of >> because apparently it's the same size of >> because apparently it's the same size of the Apollo capsule. It's not much the Apollo capsule. It's not much the Apollo capsule. It's not much bigger. It's just organized differently bigger. It's just organized differently bigger. It's just organized differently and there four of them instead of three. and there four of them instead of three. and there four of them instead of three. So it's crazy. But there's a very smart So it's crazy. But there's a very smart So it's crazy. But there's a very smart usage of space. I saw a couple of, you usage of space. I saw a couple of, you usage of space. I saw a couple of, you know, um, things about it. You actually know, um, things about it. You actually know, um, things about it. You actually the the exercise mech system is actually the the exercise mech system is actually the the exercise mech system is actually extremely close to the toilets. So, you extremely close to the toilets. So, you extremely close to the toilets. So, you can be in the toilets and somebody can be in the toilets and somebody can be in the toilets and somebody exercises just like a few inches from exercises just like a few inches from exercises just like a few inches from you. So, it's very weird.

you. So, it's very weird. you. So, it's very weird. >> It's always very cozy. >> It's always very cozy. >> It's always very cozy. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh, well, you know, it's only 10 days. >> Oh, well, you know, it's only 10 days. >> Oh, well, you know, it's only 10 days. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No wonder. >> No wonder. >> No wonder. >> By the way, this porn be fast is very >> By the way, this porn be fast is very >> By the way, this porn be fast is very good. So, good. So, good. So, >> the [snorts] what? >> the [snorts] what? >> the [snorts] what? or be a pass. or be a pass. or be a pass. >> Yummy. >> Yummy. >> Yummy. >> Yeah. Why don't you go ahead and write a >> Yeah. Why don't you go ahead and write a >> Yeah. Why don't you go ahead and write a Yelp review? Yelp review? Yelp review? >> Oh, yeah. Five. >> Oh, yeah. Five. >> Oh, yeah. Five. >> Five stars, man. >> Five stars, man. >> Five stars, man. >> Like In-N-Out. >> It kind of looks like In >> It kind of looks like In >> It looks like In-N-Out, right? >> It looks like In-N-Out, right? >> It looks like In-N-Out, right? >> It does. That's true. But it's not. >> It does. That's true. But it's not. >> It does. That's true. But it's not. >> It's Uncle John's breakfast. Whatever. >> It's Uncle John's breakfast. Whatever. >> It's Uncle John's breakfast. Whatever. Pancake House. Pancake House. Pancake House. >> Pancake House. Pancake House. >> Pancake House. Pancake House. >> Pancake House. Pancake House. >> Approved by Pete. Exactly. >> Approved by Pete. Exactly. >> Approved by Pete. Exactly. There you go. San Jose, baby. There you go. San Jose, baby. There you go. San Jose, baby. >> Hey guys, I have to bounce today. So, >> Hey guys, I have to bounce today. So, >> Hey guys, I have to bounce today. So, >> okay. All right. Good seeing you later. >> okay. All right. Good seeing you later. >> okay. All right. Good seeing you later. >> See you guys. >> See you guys. >> See you guys. >> All right. See you. >> All right. See you. >> All right. See you. >> Bounce. >> Bounce. >> Bounce. So, uh I saw saw a message from a friend So, uh I saw saw a message from a friend So, uh I saw saw a message from a friend of mine up in Seattle who got laid off of mine up in Seattle who got laid off of mine up in Seattle who got laid off in the Oracle layoffs.

in the Oracle layoffs. in the Oracle layoffs. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> That was a big one. That was a big one. >> That was a big one. That was a big one. >> That was a big one. That was a big one. >> That was a big one. That's a lot of >> That was a big one. That's a lot of >> That was a big one. That's a lot of people. Yeah. people. Yeah. people. Yeah. >> You going to say 30,000 >> You going to say 30,000 >> You going to say 30,000 total? I don't know. total? I don't know. total? I don't know. 20 20 and 30 some some Did they come out 20 20 and 30 some some Did they come out 20 20 and 30 some some Did they come out with a definitive number? They're going with a definitive number? They're going with a definitive number? They're going to have to disclose that anyway. So to have to disclose that anyway. So to have to disclose that anyway. So >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> No, it's it's a it's a rolling number. >> No, it's it's a it's a rolling number. >> No, it's it's a it's a rolling number. >> It's a rolling, >> It's a rolling, >> It's a rolling, >> you know, did some layoffs earlier. >> you know, did some layoffs earlier. >> you know, did some layoffs earlier. >> Yeah. And it's funny all these people >> Yeah. And it's funny all these people >> Yeah. And it's funny all these people now uh writing articles about how they now uh writing articles about how they now uh writing articles about how they were right about how AI is going to take were right about how AI is going to take were right about how AI is going to take everyone's jobs and using this as an everyone's jobs and using this as an everyone's jobs and using this as an example. And on the at the same on the example. And on the at the same on the example. And on the at the same on the same hand, Qualcomm's hiring. Oh same hand, Qualcomm's hiring. Oh same hand, Qualcomm's hiring. Oh >> yeah, that's right. We saw big job >> yeah, that's right. We saw big job >> yeah, that's right. We saw big job posting. posting. posting. >> They're into AI and >> They're into AI and >> They're into AI and >> we're all moving. >> we're all moving. >> we're all moving. >> That's not killing off jobs. So, hey >> That's not killing off jobs. So, hey >> That's not killing off jobs. So, hey everyone, welcome. Come to San Diego. everyone, welcome. Come to San Diego. everyone, welcome. Come to San Diego. >> We're hiring. [laughter] >> We're hiring. [laughter] >> We're hiring. [laughter] >> Weather's better. >> Weather's better. >> Weather's better. So, all these companies moved to So, all these companies moved to So, all these companies moved to Texas and then they lay everyone off. Texas and then they lay everyone off. Texas and then they lay everyone off. It's It's It's >> like, hey, why don't you uh you know, >> like, hey, why don't you uh you know, >> like, hey, why don't you uh you know, why don't you relocate to the Lone Star why don't you relocate to the Lone Star why don't you relocate to the Lone Star State and then we'll lay your ass off.

State and then we'll lay your ass off. State and then we'll lay your ass off. It just wasn't the layoffs we thought it It just wasn't the layoffs we thought it It just wasn't the layoffs we thought it was going to be. And this is just step was going to be. And this is just step was going to be. And this is just step one. You know, this this isn't even the one. You know, this this isn't even the one. You know, this this isn't even the same thing as the AI taking your job same thing as the AI taking your job same thing as the AI taking your job thing. This is the handful of tech thing. This is the handful of tech thing. This is the handful of tech companies that are trying to build the companies that are trying to build the companies that are trying to build the data centers. data centers. data centers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And they need extra cash. >> And they need extra cash. >> And they need extra cash. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh to so they can pay Jensen. >> Uh to so they can pay Jensen. >> Uh to so they can pay Jensen. >> And [snorts] so they're like And so >> And [snorts] so they're like And so >> And [snorts] so they're like And so they're like, where are we? Does anyone they're like, where are we? Does anyone they're like, where are we? Does anyone have 150 billion laying around? No. Is have 150 billion laying around? No. Is have 150 billion laying around? No. Is there a way we can come up with that? there a way we can come up with that? there a way we can come up with that? Oh, wait. What if we just lay off like Oh, wait. What if we just lay off like Oh, wait. What if we just lay off like 20,000 employees or something? 20,000 employees or something? 20,000 employees or something? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, you made that post, right? I mean, >> Well, you made that post, right? I mean, >> Well, you made that post, right? I mean, about um what do you call it? The OpenAI about um what do you call it? The OpenAI about um what do you call it? The OpenAI um fund raise, right? um fund raise, right? um fund raise, right? >> It's like 120 billion. >> It's like 120 billion. >> It's like 120 billion. >> And you know, who are the big uh who are >> And you know, who are the big uh who are >> And you know, who are the big uh who are the big investors? the big investors? the big investors? >> And Horowits Horowitz, right? Who >> And Horowits Horowitz, right? Who >> And Horowits Horowitz, right? Who >> who can't afford to let let this thing >> who can't afford to let let this thing >> who can't afford to let let this thing collapse? Um, you have Soft Bank, you collapse? Um, you have Soft Bank, you collapse? Um, you have Soft Bank, you have Microsoft, you have a bunch of have Microsoft, you have a bunch of have Microsoft, you have a bunch of others, you know, you know, others, you know, you know, others, you know, you know, >> and and did you see individual >> and and did you see individual >> and and did you see individual individual investors popped in three individual investors popped in three individual investors popped in three billion?

billion? billion? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I read something about that was the >> And I read something about that was the >> And I read something about that was the first time they've taken money from first time they've taken money from first time they've taken money from individuals. individuals. individuals. So, what does it all mean? Are we So, what does it all mean? Are we So, what does it all mean? Are we getting close to the end? Are we what do getting close to the end? Are we what do getting close to the end? Are we what do we believe this is awesome? Do we we believe this is awesome? Do we we believe this is awesome? Do we believe this is the last gasp of I mean believe this is the last gasp of I mean believe this is the last gasp of I mean gosh gosh gosh >> you know this is this is what I'm >> you know this is this is what I'm >> you know this is this is what I'm starting to see starting to see starting to see um a lot of the applications that are um a lot of the applications that are um a lot of the applications that are valuable so if you look at anthropic valuable so if you look at anthropic valuable so if you look at anthropic and even mistrol I had a chance to talk and even mistrol I had a chance to talk and even mistrol I had a chance to talk to uh a gentleman from Mistl when I was to uh a gentleman from Mistl when I was to uh a gentleman from Mistl when I was at um where was I GTC yeah a lot of the at um where was I GTC yeah a lot of the at um where was I GTC yeah a lot of the work where they're generating revenue is work where they're generating revenue is work where they're generating revenue is um essentially uh scientific discovery, um essentially uh scientific discovery, um essentially uh scientific discovery, right? The discovery process. right? The discovery process. right? The discovery process. And guess what that is? Those And guess what that is? Those And guess what that is? Those applications are largely traditional applications are largely traditional applications are largely traditional supercomputing supercomputing supercomputing applications. applications. applications. They're money losers, right? For the end They're money losers, right? For the end They're money losers, right? For the end market. You don't make money. It's like market. You don't make money. It's like market. You don't make money. It's like cost center stuff. This is not revenue cost center stuff. This is not revenue cost center stuff. This is not revenue stuff.

stuff. stuff. And also when you and so it's just like And also when you and so it's just like And also when you and so it's just like having a better or if you own real having a better or if you own real having a better or if you own real estate or you're about to buy your first estate or you're about to buy your first estate or you're about to buy your first property. This is property. This is property. This is >> I was about to just I just love the >> I was about to just I just love the >> I was about to just I just love the title for Rick Rick's deal. It's already title for Rick Rick's deal. It's already title for Rick Rick's deal. It's already over. [laughter] [gasps] [gasps] >> Yeah, I I I saw that. That was pretty >> Yeah, I I I saw that. That was pretty >> Yeah, I I I saw that. That was pretty good. I mean, you know, it's like Ben good. I mean, you know, it's like Ben good. I mean, you know, it's like Ben Ben Affleck. He knows he knows more Ben Affleck. He knows he knows more Ben Affleck. He knows he knows more about AI than these tech bros do. Uh, about AI than these tech bros do. Uh, about AI than these tech bros do. Uh, it's funny. It's like, I guess you have it's funny. It's like, I guess you have it's funny. It's like, I guess you have to get into the entertainment business to get into the entertainment business to get into the entertainment business to understand tech. But, you know, I to understand tech. But, you know, I to understand tech. But, you know, I mean, and this is something actually mean, and this is something actually mean, and this is something actually when I had Dylan Patel on my podcast, we when I had Dylan Patel on my podcast, we when I had Dylan Patel on my podcast, we tal I I told him, "Dude, isn't this just tal I I told him, "Dude, isn't this just tal I I told him, "Dude, isn't this just this is just AI supercomputing? This is this is just AI supercomputing? This is this is just AI supercomputing? This is supercomputing." He goes, "Yeah, yeah, supercomputing." He goes, "Yeah, yeah, supercomputing." He goes, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a business." I like, yeah. It's a business." I like, yeah. It's a business." I like, "Yes, it's a business. "Yes, it's a business. "Yes, it's a business. >> It is supercomputing." You're right. >> It is supercomputing." You're right. >> It is supercomputing." You're right. It's like, cuz Jensen shows the example. It's like, cuz Jensen shows the example. It's like, cuz Jensen shows the example. Do you remember a couple summers ago or Do you remember a couple summers ago or Do you remember a couple summers ago or whatever we the Lenovo thing in whatever we the Lenovo thing in whatever we the Lenovo thing in Belleview? Yeah. Belleview? Yeah. Belleview? Yeah. >> And Jensen's there and he did the >> And Jensen's there and he did the >> And Jensen's there and he did the demonstration which not everyone's demonstration which not everyone's demonstration which not everyone's seeing because a lot of people like what seeing because a lot of people like what seeing because a lot of people like what is the magic? And so he showed is the magic? And so he showed is the magic? And so he showed >> on one screen this complicated problem >> on one screen this complicated problem >> on one screen this complicated problem being solved with AI using Intel CPUs being solved with AI using Intel CPUs being solved with AI using Intel CPUs and you saw it going really slowly and and you saw it going really slowly and and you saw it going really slowly and then on the other screen it goes and then on the other screen it goes and then on the other screen it goes and here's the same problem with our GPUs here's the same problem with our GPUs here's the same problem with our GPUs and it's like you know and it's like and it's like you know and it's like and it's like you know and it's like 10,000 times faster.

10,000 times faster. 10,000 times faster. >> Yeah. But it's no but it's it's >> Yeah. But it's no but it's it's >> Yeah. But it's no but it's it's different right because you know they different right because you know they different right because you know they use uh 64 uh you know they use FP64 for use uh 64 uh you know they use FP64 for use uh 64 uh you know they use FP64 for a lot of these larger mathematical a lot of these larger mathematical a lot of these larger mathematical problems but then the discovery process problems but then the discovery process problems but then the discovery process is assisted by generative AI right like is assisted by generative AI right like is assisted by generative AI right like large language models that can do large language models that can do large language models that can do different types of uh analysis and and different types of uh analysis and and different types of uh analysis and and look at data sets and treat it in a look at data sets and treat it in a look at data sets and treat it in a different way but it it's not different way but it it's not different way but it it's not necessarily doing that core calculation. necessarily doing that core calculation. necessarily doing that core calculation. And I mean you still these um And I mean you still these um And I mean you still these um supercomputers traditional conventional supercomputers traditional conventional supercomputers traditional conventional supercomputers are still being built out supercomputers are still being built out supercomputers are still being built out right that doesn't mean that you know right that doesn't mean that you know right that doesn't mean that you know the grace grace um hopper or the grace the grace grace um hopper or the grace the grace grace um hopper or the grace blackwell can't do this kind of stuff blackwell can't do this kind of stuff blackwell can't do this kind of stuff because they do support uh f you know because they do support uh f you know because they do support uh f you know fp64 and also you know cuda cuda fp64 and also you know cuda cuda fp64 and also you know cuda cuda provides that flexibility but uh it it provides that flexibility but uh it it provides that flexibility but uh it it doesn't mean that these systems that are doesn't mean that these systems that are doesn't mean that these systems that are now uh uh you know that Nvidia has been now uh uh you know that Nvidia has been now uh uh you know that Nvidia has been producing for the last 3 years are the producing for the last 3 years are the producing for the last 3 years are the best for everything right we're finding best for everything right we're finding best for everything right we're finding that out now because we're getting off that out now because we're getting off that out now because we're getting off roadmap roadmap roadmap that it's no longer just one system that that it's no longer just one system that that it's no longer just one system that does everything because of CUDA now you does everything because of CUDA now you does everything because of CUDA now you have uh you know uh this the whole what have uh you know uh this the whole what have uh you know uh this the whole what a PTX you know Gro 3 PTX you have like a PTX you know Gro 3 PTX you have like a PTX you know Gro 3 PTX you have like friaking Vera uh CPU rack all these friaking Vera uh CPU rack all these friaking Vera uh CPU rack all these other systems that are coming into the

other systems that are coming into the other systems that are coming into the picture that are fit for purpose for picture that are fit for purpose for picture that are fit for purpose for certain parts of the whole now u future certain parts of the whole now u future certain parts of the whole now u future AI infrastructure. So you know yeah it's AI infrastructure. So you know yeah it's AI infrastructure. So you know yeah it's things are going to be really different things are going to be really different things are going to be really different this year but it all boils down to this year but it all boils down to this year but it all boils down to supercomputing and there's not a huge supercomputing and there's not a huge supercomputing and there's not a huge market for it. And then the other thing, market for it. And then the other thing, market for it. And then the other thing, what the other thing that this is what the other thing that this is what the other thing that this is good for is like code generation, good for is like code generation, good for is like code generation, but it's not it's code generation. It but it's not it's code generation. It but it's not it's code generation. It It's not complete software It's not complete software It's not complete software um development. um development. um development. >> From now on, this is my favorite meme >> From now on, this is my favorite meme >> From now on, this is my favorite meme now. From now on, now. From now on, now. From now on, >> it's already over. >> it's already over. >> it's already over. >> It's [laughter] already over. >> Who do you trust? I'm going with Rick. >> Who do you trust? I'm going with Rick. Yeah. I think And you know what? You Yeah. I think And you know what? You Yeah. I think And you know what? You know what's really weird is being a know what's really weird is being a know what's really weird is being a musician gives you a lot of insight into musician gives you a lot of insight into musician gives you a lot of insight into a lot of things. Um a lot of things. Um a lot of things. Um >> I mean >> I mean >> I mean >> it really does. It's like >> it really does. It's like >> it really does. It's like >> he gave real simple explanation. He said >> he gave real simple explanation. He said >> he gave real simple explanation. He said this is just like when Napster and this is just like when Napster and this is just like when Napster and ProTools came out and how it devastated ProTools came out and how it devastated ProTools came out and how it devastated the entire music industry and music the entire music industry and music the entire music industry and music industry has never recovered. And he's industry has never recovered. And he's industry has never recovered. And he's like it's the same thing. He goes let me like it's the same thing. He goes let me like it's the same thing. He goes let me show you. And he, you know, I mean, I'm show you. And he, you know, I mean, I'm show you. And he, you know, I mean, I'm not saying that he can't be wrong, but not saying that he can't be wrong, but not saying that he can't be wrong, but he put together a simple analogy. This he put together a simple analogy. This he put together a simple analogy. This new tech came, it was supposed to make new tech came, it was supposed to make new tech came, it was supposed to make things better. It destroyed the music things better. It destroyed the music things better. It destroyed the music industry. This AI thing, wait a second, industry. This AI thing, wait a second, industry. This AI thing, wait a second, I just downloaded on my Mac and now I'm I just downloaded on my Mac and now I'm I just downloaded on my Mac and now I'm doing all this stuff. And he's like, the

doing all this stuff. And he's like, the doing all this stuff. And he's like, the hardware people are going to be okay for hardware people are going to be okay for hardware people are going to be okay for a while, but all these LLMs that are all a while, but all these LLMs that are all a while, but all these LLMs that are all there's like thousands of them, free there's like thousands of them, free there's like thousands of them, free LLMs to download, LLMs to download, LLMs to download, >> those guys aren't making any money. And >> those guys aren't making any money. And >> those guys aren't making any money. And then the biggest players are only get then the biggest players are only get then the biggest players are only get they're just the only money they have is they're just the only money they have is they're just the only money they have is coming from VCs. coming from VCs. coming from VCs. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Who knows? >> Who knows? >> Who knows? >> Who knows? >> Who knows? >> Who knows? >> Yeah. I mean I think >> Yeah. I mean I think >> Yeah. I mean I think >> it's like Napster baby. >> it's like Napster baby. >> it's like Napster baby. >> But see that's the interesting thing. >> But see that's the interesting thing. >> But see that's the interesting thing. Mistral and Anthropic what they're doing Mistral and Anthropic what they're doing Mistral and Anthropic what they're doing is um they're engineering application is um they're engineering application is um they're engineering application specific um AI um applications right? specific um AI um applications right? specific um AI um applications right? These aren't the they're calling them These aren't the they're calling them These aren't the they're calling them models, but when you look under the models, but when you look under the models, but when you look under the hood, it's just um you know uh you know hood, it's just um you know uh you know hood, it's just um you know uh you know logic plus logic plus logic plus uh the model. And so the models aren't I uh the model. And so the models aren't I uh the model. And so the models aren't I think the models are hitting a wall. think the models are hitting a wall. think the models are hitting a wall. They're not getting better. They're not getting better. They're not getting better. What now they're doing is they're What now they're doing is they're What now they're doing is they're creating these harnesses, right? Guard creating these harnesses, right? Guard creating these harnesses, right? Guard rails, workflows, blah blah blah. these rails, workflows, blah blah blah. these rails, workflows, blah blah blah. these agentic frameworks agentic frameworks agentic frameworks and building it building them specific and building it building them specific and building it building them specific for particular supercomputing for particular supercomputing for particular supercomputing applications if you know in drug applications if you know in drug applications if you know in drug discovery or other applications. So it discovery or other applications. So it discovery or other applications. So it the I think we're past the point where the I think we're past the point where the I think we're past the point where the uh the um models are getting that the uh the um models are getting that the uh the um models are getting that much better. They're probably going to much better. They're probably going to much better. They're probably going to settle at settle at settle at >> 95% and then that's it. I would say >> 95% and then that's it. I would say >> 95% and then that's it. I would say though that I think there's another though that I think there's another though that I think there's another metric and actually uh Urgott gave this

metric and actually uh Urgott gave this metric and actually uh Urgott gave this keynote last week from San Diego and he keynote last week from San Diego and he keynote last week from San Diego and he talked about the evolution of models and talked about the evolution of models and talked about the evolution of models and there's a metric around quality and there's a metric around quality and there's a metric around quality and size. So basically the models are size. So basically the models are size. So basically the models are getting smaller and the quality is going getting smaller and the quality is going getting smaller and the quality is going up. So it's sort of like a quality per up. So it's sort of like a quality per up. So it's sort of like a quality per billion parameters. billion parameters. billion parameters. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that's an interesting metric because we >> that's an interesting metric because we >> that's an interesting metric because we look at it since 2023 been almost like a look at it since 2023 been almost like a look at it since 2023 been almost like a 10x year-over-year improvement in models 10x year-over-year improvement in models 10x year-over-year improvement in models based on thought. So we're going to see based on thought. So we're going to see based on thought. So we're going to see models they go smaller which means they models they go smaller which means they models they go smaller which means they can run on most expensive hardware can run on most expensive hardware can run on most expensive hardware >> and the quality is going up. So I think >> and the quality is going up. So I think >> and the quality is going up. So I think that's an interesting network. I think that's an interesting network. I think that's an interesting network. I think the big world model foundation like the big world model foundation like the big world model foundation like frontier models I think they're hitting frontier models I think they're hitting frontier models I think they're hitting an asmtote an asmtote an asmtote you know with nuclear power but the real you know with nuclear power but the real you know with nuclear power but the real action is like how efficient how how action is like how efficient how how action is like how efficient how how much better can the model get with the much better can the model get with the much better can the model get with the smaller size. I think that's like tops smaller size. I think that's like tops smaller size. I think that's like tops per watt you know tops per watt. It's per watt you know tops per watt. It's per watt you know tops per watt. It's almost like quality code billion almost like quality code billion almost like quality code billion parameters parameters parameters >> which is probably why Qualcomm's hiring >> which is probably why Qualcomm's hiring >> which is probably why Qualcomm's hiring everyone else is like laying people off everyone else is like laying people off everyone else is like laying people off because the other you know the large because the other you know the large because the other you know the large world model crap is capital intensive world model crap is capital intensive world model crap is capital intensive there's no return and all the all the there's no return and all the all the there's no return and all the all the all the value is going to be created all the value is going to be created all the value is going to be created across you know edge applications actual across you know edge applications actual across you know edge applications actual applications applications applications >> right and >> right and >> right and >> yeah no that's that's the efficiency >> yeah no that's that's the efficiency >> yeah no that's that's the efficiency that's like everything gets that's like everything gets that's like everything gets commercialized everything gets commercialized everything gets commercialized everything gets commercialized in tech commercialized in tech commercialized in tech >> gets gets cost reduced and power >> gets gets cost reduced and power >> gets gets cost reduced and power reduced, reduced, reduced, >> right?

>> right? >> right? >> And so then it gets commercialized. And >> And so then it gets commercialized. And >> And so then it gets commercialized. And I think we're seeing that with AI. We I think we're seeing that with AI. We I think we're seeing that with AI. We start with these frontier models that start with these frontier models that start with these frontier models that run nuclear power. run nuclear power. run nuclear power. >> It's like it's like the steam engine, >> It's like it's like the steam engine, >> It's like it's like the steam engine, you know, it's okay, it works, but it's you know, it's okay, it works, but it's you know, it's okay, it works, but it's hardly inefficient. Now we're getting hardly inefficient. Now we're getting hardly inefficient. Now we're getting into the era of actually efficiency and into the era of actually efficiency and into the era of actually efficiency and commercialization and actually real commercialization and actually real commercialization and actually real return on investment. return on investment. return on investment. >> Ah, and that's that's kind of people >> Ah, and that's that's kind of people >> Ah, and that's that's kind of people getting getting getting >> that. No. And and that is uh yeah, I I I >> that. No. And and that is uh yeah, I I I >> that. No. And and that is uh yeah, I I I want to definitely watch that want to definitely watch that want to definitely watch that presentation. presentation. presentation. >> You know what, Pete? I think your good >> You know what, Pete? I think your good >> You know what, Pete? I think your good friend Steve Martin said it perfectly. friend Steve Martin said it perfectly. friend Steve Martin said it perfectly. It could be the new tagline. Let's get It could be the new tagline. Let's get It could be the new tagline. Let's get small. >> Thanks, man. I remember that one. >> Thanks, man. I remember that one. >> You know, well, you were you weren't >> You know, well, you were you weren't >> You know, well, you were you weren't born yet in the 70s, so born yet in the 70s, so born yet in the 70s, so >> that was a 70s thing. [laughter] >> that was a 70s thing. [laughter] >> that was a 70s thing. [laughter] >> Yes. You know, when you >> Yes. You know, when you >> Yes. You know, when you >> I was born in the 70s, but I didn't >> I was born in the 70s, but I didn't >> I was born in the 70s, but I didn't watch the watch the watch the >> If you wanted to listen to a standup >> If you wanted to listen to a standup >> If you wanted to listen to a standup comedian, you bought a record album. comedian, you bought a record album. comedian, you bought a record album. We'll try. We'll try. We'll try. >> Oh, yeah. [laughter] >> Oh, yeah. [laughter] >> Oh, yeah. [laughter] >> Like Raw. Wasn't Raw a record album? >> Like Raw. Wasn't Raw a record album? >> Like Raw. Wasn't Raw a record album? >> Eddie Murphy's >> Eddie Murphy's >> Eddie Murphy's >> Oh, I remember Eddie Murphy Raw. Yeah, >> Oh, I remember Eddie Murphy Raw. Yeah, >> Oh, I remember Eddie Murphy Raw. Yeah, >> that was years [clears throat] later. We >> that was years [clears throat] later. We >> that was years [clears throat] later. We had Walkman's by then. Come on, man.

had Walkman's by then. Come on, man. had Walkman's by then. Come on, man. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> No. Back in the day, if you wanted to >> No. Back in the day, if you wanted to >> No. Back in the day, if you wanted to listen to Steve, you had to buy his listen to Steve, you had to buy his listen to Steve, you had to buy his vinyl record, you know, on your house. vinyl record, you know, on your house. vinyl record, you know, on your house. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Let's get small. That was a famous >> Let's get small. That was a famous >> Let's get small. That was a famous routine of his. But yeah, no, it's true. routine of his. But yeah, no, it's true. routine of his. But yeah, no, it's true. Efficiency is the frontier. And Efficiency is the frontier. And Efficiency is the frontier. And [clears throat] it was like anytime you [clears throat] it was like anytime you [clears throat] it was like anytime you try to commercialize any tech, the first try to commercialize any tech, the first try to commercialize any tech, the first thing you do like when you get a piece thing you do like when you get a piece thing you do like when you get a piece of hardware is like how do I co-droduce of hardware is like how do I co-droduce of hardware is like how do I co-droduce the bomb, right? Okay, I got it working, the bomb, right? Okay, I got it working, the bomb, right? Okay, I got it working, but now how do I take 30% out of the but now how do I take 30% out of the but now how do I take 30% out of the bomb, right? And I think this the same bomb, right? And I think this the same bomb, right? And I think this the same analogy here. It's like how do I take a analogy here. It's like how do I take a analogy here. It's like how do I take a bunch of money out of the bomb or cost bunch of money out of the bomb or cost bunch of money out of the bomb or cost out of the bomb that I can actually make out of the bomb that I can actually make out of the bomb that I can actually make a return? So that's affecting the model a return? So that's affecting the model a return? So that's affecting the model the model research right now is like go the model research right now is like go the model research right now is like go to more. to more. to more. >> Yeah, that's right. That's right. Not >> Yeah, that's right. That's right. Not >> Yeah, that's right. That's right. Not all of us got to see Steve Martin at all of us got to see Steve Martin at all of us got to see Steve Martin at Madison Square Garden or at the Madison Square Garden or at the Madison Square Garden or at the Hollywood Bowl. And so we had to get Hollywood Bowl. And so we had to get Hollywood Bowl. And so we had to get small and watch it, listen to it on small and watch it, listen to it on small and watch it, listen to it on vinyl. And the exact same things vinyl. And the exact same things vinyl. And the exact same things happening with Qualcomm. We're going to happening with Qualcomm. We're going to happening with Qualcomm. We're going to get small and we're going to get Edge AI get small and we're going to get Edge AI get small and we're going to get Edge AI and all roads lead to uh San Diego and all roads lead to uh San Diego and all roads lead to uh San Diego apparently.

apparently. apparently. >> Ah, well, you know, they are hiring. So >> Ah, well, you know, they are hiring. So >> Ah, well, you know, they are hiring. So [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> I I don't know. I mean, no, it's telling >> I I don't know. I mean, no, it's telling >> I I don't know. I mean, no, it's telling though in a way, right? and and um you though in a way, right? and and um you though in a way, right? and and um you know uh the and the developer community know uh the and the developer community know uh the and the developer community is going to yeah probably gravitate is going to yeah probably gravitate is going to yeah probably gravitate around some of these agentic frameworks around some of these agentic frameworks around some of these agentic frameworks some of the but you know there's it some of the but you know there's it some of the but you know there's it there's going to be a gravitation toward there's going to be a gravitation toward there's going to be a gravitation toward safe because when I was at RSAC man safe because when I was at RSAC man safe because when I was at RSAC man [laughter] oh Jesus Christ I asked one [laughter] oh Jesus Christ I asked one [laughter] oh Jesus Christ I asked one of the speakers so what do you think of the speakers so what do you think of the speakers so what do you think about open open claw and he goes um about open open claw and he goes um about open open claw and he goes um uh that's it's terrifying uh that's it's terrifying uh that's it's terrifying you know you know you know >> napster is the napster of >> napster is the napster of >> napster is the napster of >> of >> of >> of >> yeah actually it is it's the napster >> yeah actually it is it's the napster >> yeah actually it is it's the napster >> napster >> napster >> napster >> it's going to use uh crypto to basically >> it's going to use uh crypto to basically >> it's going to use uh crypto to basically uh rip off everybody I don't know um uh rip off everybody I don't know um uh rip off everybody I don't know um >> yeah no safety security that's going to >> yeah no safety security that's going to >> yeah no safety security that's going to there's efficiency is one area in there's efficiency is one area in there's efficiency is one area in frontier safety and security is going to frontier safety and security is going to frontier safety and security is going to open too.

open too. open too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And the safety and security is going to >> And the safety and security is going to >> And the safety and security is going to come from the commercial market. They're come from the commercial market. They're come from the commercial market. They're going to require it. It's not going to going to require it. It's not going to going to require it. It's not going to be a regular. It's going to be a be a regular. It's going to be a be a regular. It's going to be a commercial requirement. So Walmart and commercial requirement. So Walmart and commercial requirement. So Walmart and McDonald's and Lu put out the RFPs for McDonald's and Lu put out the RFPs for McDonald's and Lu put out the RFPs for AI, they're going to do the requirements AI, they're going to do the requirements AI, they're going to do the requirements around safety and security that that around safety and security that that around safety and security that that tech companies are going to have tech companies are going to have tech companies are going to have transparency. transparency. transparency. >> I think it's going to be an active item >> I think it's going to be an active item >> I think it's going to be an active item on an R RFP. It's not going to just be a on an R RFP. It's not going to just be a on an R RFP. It's not going to just be a bullet point that they stick at the bullet point that they stick at the bullet point that they stick at the bottom of the thing. bottom of the thing. bottom of the thing. >> Right. Right. Right. Yeah. >> Right. Right. Right. Yeah. >> Right. Right. Right. Yeah. >> Uh it's because you know like Luca Rossi >> Uh it's because you know like Luca Rossi >> Uh it's because you know like Luca Rossi he's the EVP of um uh Lenovo's he's the EVP of um uh Lenovo's he's the EVP of um uh Lenovo's device group, right? Uh client device device group, right? Uh client device device group, right? Uh client device group and he [clears throat] he group and he [clears throat] he group and he [clears throat] he published this thing and he was published this thing and he was published this thing and he was wondering okay when's like security wondering okay when's like security wondering okay when's like security no longer going to be a cost center and no longer going to be a cost center and no longer going to be a cost center and start to become a growth enabler. And uh start to become a growth enabler. And uh start to become a growth enabler. And uh I'm about to just um you know post it's I'm about to just um you know post it's I'm about to just um you know post it's it's never a growth enabler. It it it's it's never a growth enabler. It it it's it's never a growth enabler. It it it's essential to doing business right going essential to doing business right going essential to doing business right going forward when um forward when um forward when um >> you know >> you know >> you know >> you wouldn't build a you wouldn't build >> you wouldn't build a you wouldn't build >> you wouldn't build a you wouldn't build a house without a front door with a a house without a front door with a a house without a front door with a lock.

lock. lock. >> Yeah. Without it you can't you can't >> Yeah. Without it you can't you can't >> Yeah. Without it you can't you can't make any m you can't do anything. You make any m you can't do anything. You make any m you can't do anything. You can't trust anything. So you're screwed. can't trust anything. So you're screwed. can't trust anything. So you're screwed. >> So you need security. That's going to be >> So you need security. That's going to be >> So you need security. That's going to be like that's definitely going to have like that's definitely going to have like that's definitely going to have potential now that people So now that potential now that people So now that potential now that people So now that steam engine is like working now that we steam engine is like working now that we steam engine is like working now that we put a bunch of play in the building put a bunch of play in the building put a bunch of play in the building there and it's starting to move down the there and it's starting to move down the there and it's starting to move down the tracks and everyone's in and awe about tracks and everyone's in and awe about tracks and everyone's in and awe about those you know iron doors. Now we're those you know iron doors. Now we're those you know iron doors. Now we're like okay how do we stop this thing? like okay how do we stop this thing? like okay how do we stop this thing? What what do the brakes look like? What what do the brakes look like? What what do the brakes look like? >> How do we stop it from exploding? >> How do we stop it from exploding? >> How do we stop it from exploding? >> Like brakes. What do we need breaks? >> Like brakes. What do we need breaks? >> Like brakes. What do we need breaks? What do we need? So yeah, now we're on What do we need? So yeah, now we're on What do we need? So yeah, now we're on to the next stage of like getting the to the next stage of like getting the to the next stage of like getting the stuff to actually. stuff to actually. stuff to actually. >> Yeah, I mean, think about it. These >> Yeah, I mean, think about it. These >> Yeah, I mean, think about it. These things used to blow up. Come on. I mean, things used to blow up. Come on. I mean, things used to blow up. Come on. I mean, that's why we have safety, security, and that's why we have safety, security, and that's why we have safety, security, and there has to be investment in it. there has to be investment in it. there has to be investment in it. >> This thing, Pete, someone had to invent >> This thing, Pete, someone had to invent >> This thing, Pete, someone had to invent the word brakes. the word brakes. the word brakes. >> Like, >> Like, >> Like, >> right, >> right, >> right, >> there wasn't brakes before that. >> there wasn't brakes before that. >> there wasn't brakes before that. >> Derived from the word broken. >> Derived from the word broken. >> Derived from the word broken. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Before that, you rode you had four >> Before that, you rode you had four >> Before that, you rode you had four horses and you pulled back on the reins.

horses and you pulled back on the reins. horses and you pulled back on the reins. And that's that's the only thing they And that's that's the only thing they And that's that's the only thing they had before trains in the car. had before trains in the car. had before trains in the car. >> Right. Rain it in. You got to rain it >> Right. Rain it in. You got to rain it >> Right. Rain it in. You got to rain it in. Right. in. Right. in. Right. >> Rain it in. There you go. Well, wow. >> Rain it in. There you go. Well, wow. >> Rain it in. There you go. Well, wow. >> Rain. There you go. >> Rain. There you go. >> Rain. There you go. >> Frontier guy right here. Pete Bernard. >> Frontier guy right here. Pete Bernard. >> Frontier guy right here. Pete Bernard. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> Yeah, I know a lot about horses, too. >> Yeah, I know a lot about horses, too. >> Yeah, I know a lot about horses, too. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> I think maybe Rain came first. Did Did >> I think maybe Rain came first. Did Did >> I think maybe Rain came first. Did Did Rain come first or did Rain come first or did Rain come first or did >> Reigns? Yeah, the horse did. >> Reigns? Yeah, the horse did. >> Reigns? Yeah, the horse did. >> Yeah, got rain. That That's how you >> Yeah, got rain. That That's how you >> Yeah, got rain. That That's how you stopped your horse, right? Yeah. stopped your horse, right? Yeah. stopped your horse, right? Yeah. >> You know, >> You know, >> You know, >> Yeah. I just Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. I just Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. I just Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. [snorts] No, come on. Remember >> Yeah. [snorts] No, come on. Remember >> Yeah. [snorts] No, come on. Remember remember when you were a kid and you remember when you were a kid and you remember when you were a kid and you learned how to do barrel racing and learned how to do barrel racing and learned how to do barrel racing and horses? Remember that? horses? Remember that? horses? Remember that? >> Yeah. So, you know about that? >> Yeah. So, you know about that? >> Yeah. So, you know about that? >> Oh, totally. I used to do that all the >> Oh, totally. I used to do that all the >> Oh, totally. I used to do that all the time. time. time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Running around in a clown suit. Yeah. >> Running around in a clown suit. Yeah. >> Running around in a clown suit. Yeah. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Right. Right. >> [laughter and gasps] >> [laughter and gasps] >> I'm just trying to figure out what came >> I'm just trying to figure out what came >> I'm just trying to figure out what came first, the the actual rain, you know, first, the the actual rain, you know, first, the the actual rain, you know, the hores or the the word for used for the hores or the the word for used for the hores or the the word for used for something else. something else. something else. >> Well, that also there's a term reign >> Well, that also there's a term reign >> Well, that also there's a term reign which is like a king reigns over a which is like a king reigns over a which is like a king reigns over a kingdom, you know, kingdom, you know, kingdom, you know, control reign, you know. So, I'm sure control reign, you know. So, I'm sure control reign, you know. So, I'm sure someone can look this up. You can ask someone can look this up. You can ask someone can look this up. You can ask Chachi PT and use that use that frontier Chachi PT and use that use that frontier Chachi PT and use that use that frontier model for good purpose by asking Chachi model for good purpose by asking Chachi model for good purpose by asking Chachi PT where's the etmology of the word PT where's the etmology of the word PT where's the etmology of the word rain.

rain. rain. >> Yes. I'm gonna ask it 10 different times >> Yes. I'm gonna ask it 10 different times >> Yes. I'm gonna ask it 10 different times and see if I get the same answer each and see if I get the same answer each and see if I get the same answer each time. time. time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, what I heard is actually if you >> Well, what I heard is actually if you >> Well, what I heard is actually if you ask it in four different languages, you ask it in four different languages, you ask it in four different languages, you do get four different answers. do get four different answers. do get four different answers. >> Love it. Love it. It's obvious. But >> Love it. Love it. It's obvious. But >> Love it. Love it. It's obvious. But everybody's all in. They're all in, man. everybody's all in. They're all in, man. everybody's all in. They're all in, man. It's experimental. It's experimental. It's experimental. >> Don't believe anything, but we're all >> Don't believe anything, but we're all >> Don't believe anything, but we're all in. [clears throat] in. [clears throat] in. [clears throat] >> Yeah. But you know what's so dangerous >> Yeah. But you know what's so dangerous >> Yeah. But you know what's so dangerous right now is people who are right now is people who are right now is people who are experimenting with this stuff. If your experimenting with this stuff. If your experimenting with this stuff. If your your graph gets leaked out there by a your graph gets leaked out there by a your graph gets leaked out there by a cyber um cyber thread actor and then put cyber um cyber thread actor and then put cyber um cyber thread actor and then put in a dark web, you're you're screwed. in a dark web, you're you're screwed. in a dark web, you're you're screwed. And so if they create this Uber graph And so if they create this Uber graph And so if they create this Uber graph kind of like uh you know they convert kind of like uh you know they convert kind of like uh you know they convert the dark web into a a dark graph. Um the dark web into a a dark graph. Um the dark web into a a dark graph. Um and it is happening by the way. Um it's and it is happening by the way. Um it's and it is happening by the way. Um it's happening [laughter] which should spread happening [laughter] which should spread happening [laughter] which should spread the living crap out of everyone. the living crap out of everyone. the living crap out of everyone. >> It's already over. >> It's already over. >> It's already over. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> it's already over.

>> it's already over. >> it's already over. >> Yeah, it's already over. I I you know >> Yeah, it's already over. I I you know >> Yeah, it's already over. I I you know this the the thing is this sounds like this the the thing is this sounds like this the the thing is this sounds like sci-fi. What what what I'm talking about sci-fi. What what what I'm talking about sci-fi. What what what I'm talking about sounds like it's science fiction over sounds like it's science fiction over sounds like it's science fiction over that's the part the abundance stuff is that's the part the abundance stuff is that's the part the abundance stuff is sci-fi. You you know you're just making sci-fi. You you know you're just making sci-fi. You you know you're just making up. What what I'm talking about up. What what I'm talking about up. What what I'm talking about right now this is like happening. It's right now this is like happening. It's right now this is like happening. It's reality that we all need to figure out reality that we all need to figure out reality that we all need to figure out how are we going to protect ourselves how are we going to protect ourselves how are we going to protect ourselves from this stuff. from this stuff. from this stuff. >> I'm going to give you a few choices, >> I'm going to give you a few choices, >> I'm going to give you a few choices, Leonard. Do you want the Matrix? Leonard. Do you want the Matrix? Leonard. Do you want the Matrix? Do you want Mad Max? or do you want Do you want Mad Max? or do you want Do you want Mad Max? or do you want Logan's Run? [laughter] Logan's Run? [laughter] Logan's Run? [laughter] >> Those are your three choices. >> Those are your three choices. >> Those are your three choices. >> No, you know what? I think it's going to >> No, you know what? I think it's going to >> No, you know what? I think it's going to turn into Mad Max for a while. turn into Mad Max for a while. turn into Mad Max for a while. >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. >> I mean, it's just we're not going to be >> I mean, it's just we're not going to be >> I mean, it's just we're not going to be in a desert or, you know, like an in a desert or, you know, like an in a desert or, you know, like an Australian desert, you know, running Australian desert, you know, running Australian desert, you know, running around in, you know, like um these around in, you know, like um these around in, you know, like um these jacked up cars. jacked up cars. jacked up cars. >> Armored vehicles. >> Armored vehicles. >> Armored vehicles. >> Yeah. Armored. >> Yeah. Armored. >> Yeah. Armored. >> Actually, we do have our armored >> Actually, we do have our armored >> Actually, we do have our armored vehicles now, right? Don't we? vehicles now, right? Don't we? vehicles now, right? Don't we? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We have our flat black Land Rover >> We have our flat black Land Rover >> We have our flat black Land Rover Defenders. I was with my uncle the other Defenders. I was with my uncle the other Defenders. I was with my uncle the other day. It's actually a little while ago day. It's actually a little while ago day. It's actually a little while ago and we were walking and he's now 93 and and we were walking and he's now 93 and and we were walking and he's now 93 and we walk past this big Land Rover we walk past this big Land Rover we walk past this big Land Rover Defender and he's like, "What are they Defender and he's like, "What are they Defender and he's like, "What are they defended exactly with this thing? What defended exactly with this thing? What defended exactly with this thing? What is what is being defended by the Land is what is being defended by the Land is what is being defended by the Land Rover defender?" So, yeah, we're already Rover defender?" So, yeah, we're already Rover defender?" So, yeah, we're already here with our armored vehicles.

here with our armored vehicles. here with our armored vehicles. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, you know, and then the you know, >> Well, you know, and then the you know, >> Well, you know, and then the you know, the the the thing is is the income the the the thing is is the income the the the thing is is the income inequality around the world is is going inequality around the world is is going inequality around the world is is going to fuel it, right? because you know you to fuel it, right? because you know you to fuel it, right? because you know you have a few trillionaires have a few trillionaires have a few trillionaires and everyone's going to try to and everyone's going to try to and everyone's going to try to take their stuff [laughter] take their stuff [laughter] take their stuff [laughter] basically basically basically and so the vast majority of population and so the vast majority of population and so the vast majority of population of the earth are going to turn into of the earth are going to turn into of the earth are going to turn into renegades [laughter] renegades [laughter] renegades [laughter] using these tools to basically rip off using these tools to basically rip off using these tools to basically rip off anyone who has um stuff you know I mean anyone who has um stuff you know I mean anyone who has um stuff you know I mean I mean they're getting laid off because I mean they're getting laid off because I mean they're getting laid off because of AI I mean what do you think is going of AI I mean what do you think is going of AI I mean what do you think is going to happen it has impact on societ it, to happen it has impact on societ it, to happen it has impact on societ it, you know, come on. Come on. you know, come on. Come on. you know, come on. Come on. >> Once the data centers suck all the power >> Once the data centers suck all the power >> Once the data centers suck all the power from the public grid and the folks have from the public grid and the folks have from the public grid and the folks have to like figure out their own power to like figure out their own power to like figure out their own power supplies and close the 1% will have supplies and close the 1% will have supplies and close the 1% will have their own, you know, high movement power their own, you know, high movement power their own, you know, high movement power supplies on site. supplies on site. supplies on site. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Then the rest of us will have to, you >> Then the rest of us will have to, you >> Then the rest of us will have to, you know, sprout of power supplies and know, sprout of power supplies and know, sprout of power supplies and that'll be like a new belly.

that'll be like a new belly. that'll be like a new belly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How you get >> How you get >> How you get >> Yeah. I think even the some of the >> Yeah. I think even the some of the >> Yeah. I think even the some of the abundance people are now saying, "Well, abundance people are now saying, "Well, abundance people are now saying, "Well, before we get to abundance, we're before we get to abundance, we're before we get to abundance, we're probably gonna have I don't know five, probably gonna have I don't know five, probably gonna have I don't know five, 10, 15 years of a little little a little 10, 15 years of a little little a little 10, 15 years of a little little a little rough, a little rough, a little rough, a little >> it's going to be a little rough. >> it's going to be a little rough. >> it's going to be a little rough. >> Short term short-term pain. Short-term >> Short term short-term pain. Short-term >> Short term short-term pain. Short-term pain. pain. pain. >> It's been transitory." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's been transitory." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's been transitory." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] And then by then the population And then by then the population And then by then the population >> for a generation or so. >> for a generation or so. >> for a generation or so. >> Yeah. My generation [laughter] or so. >> Yeah. My generation [laughter] or so. >> Yeah. My generation [laughter] or so. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And and then we'll have massive And and then we'll have massive And and then we'll have massive depopulation. depopulation. depopulation. >> That's how it's going to work itself >> That's how it's going to work itself >> That's how it's going to work itself out. Massive depopulation, out. Massive depopulation, out. Massive depopulation, >> right? And there's more for everyone >> right? And there's more for everyone >> right? And there's more for everyone else that's left. else that's left. else that's left. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> I don't know. I tell you, you know, >> I don't know. I tell you, you know, >> I don't know. I tell you, you know, like, you know, the weird thing is that like, you know, the weird thing is that like, you know, the weird thing is that the AI thing is happening. Those of us the AI thing is happening. Those of us the AI thing is happening. Those of us who are in this AI analyst world, we are who are in this AI analyst world, we are who are in this AI analyst world, we are kind of on board with that whole motion, kind of on board with that whole motion, kind of on board with that whole motion, that whole thing, cuz our customers that that whole thing, cuz our customers that that whole thing, cuz our customers that we work with are all in with this stuff.

we work with are all in with this stuff. we work with are all in with this stuff. And so, we're kind of with them. And at And so, we're kind of with them. And at And so, we're kind of with them. And at the same time, our customers are laying the same time, our customers are laying the same time, our customers are laying off our friends and we're seeing this off our friends and we're seeing this off our friends and we're seeing this happen. And you and and we don't happen. And you and and we don't happen. And you and and we don't necessarily believe that this all leads necessarily believe that this all leads necessarily believe that this all leads to some happy ending on the other side to some happy ending on the other side to some happy ending on the other side of the rainbow. We're cuz we are all of the rainbow. We're cuz we are all of the rainbow. We're cuz we are all Rick Biato kind of musician guys. Rick Biato kind of musician guys. Rick Biato kind of musician guys. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Maybe you two guys more than me. I >> Okay. Maybe you two guys more than me. I >> Okay. Maybe you two guys more than me. I wish I was as cool as you guys. And wish I was as cool as you guys. And wish I was as cool as you guys. And >> it's material. When I when we lay when >> it's material. When I when we lay when >> it's material. When I when we lay when you lay off employees, you lay off employees, you lay off employees, >> it destroys families. >> it destroys families. >> it destroys families. >> It breaks apart. It really wrecks >> It breaks apart. It really wrecks >> It breaks apart. It really wrecks families. It makes an uncertain future families. It makes an uncertain future families. It makes an uncertain future for the children of those families. And for the children of those families. And for the children of those families. And it's devastating. it's devastating. it's devastating. And business people are I don't want to And business people are I don't want to And business people are I don't want to say they're casual. They love to say and say they're casual. They love to say and say they're casual. They love to say and we were really thoughtful about this we were really thoughtful about this we were really thoughtful about this 20,000 person layoff that you got via 20,000 person layoff that you got via 20,000 person layoff that you got via email this morning at 6:00 a.m. But it's email this morning at 6:00 a.m. But it's email this morning at 6:00 a.m. But it's it it's it's and it's material to the it it's it's and it's material to the it it's it's and it's material to the economy to the the America the US economy to the the America the US economy to the the America the US economy. It's it's an material impact economy. It's it's an material impact economy. It's it's an material impact and we've been the last several years and we've been the last several years and we've been the last several years it's just been tens of thousands of from it's just been tens of thousands of from it's just been tens of thousands of from all the biggest tech firms just laying all the biggest tech firms just laying all the biggest tech firms just laying off and it's an explode. All these off and it's an explode. All these off and it's an explode. All these families are just getting wrecked and families are just getting wrecked and families are just getting wrecked and these kids don't know. And it's it's these kids don't know. And it's it's these kids don't know. And it's it's just devastating.

just devastating. just devastating. >> Yeah. No, >> Yeah. No, >> Yeah. No, >> it's not one person. It's not just the >> it's not one person. It's not just the >> it's not one person. It's not just the employee. Do you know what I mean? employee. Do you know what I mean? employee. Do you know what I mean? >> Family. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Family. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Family. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. The whole community. >> Yeah. The whole community. >> Yeah. The whole community. >> Well, also for the local the local >> Well, also for the local the local >> Well, also for the local the local businesses, right? I mean, even at my my businesses, right? I mean, even at my my businesses, right? I mean, even at my my you know, I still go to the pro club you know, I still go to the pro club you know, I still go to the pro club here in Belleview. here in Belleview. here in Belleview. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And play tennis there. And you know >> And play tennis there. And you know >> And play tennis there. And you know every week or two it was one less person every week or two it was one less person every week or two it was one less person because they got laid off from Microsoft because they got laid off from Microsoft because they got laid off from Microsoft so they don't have to anymore. so they don't have to anymore. so they don't have to anymore. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, you know, so and that's >> Yeah. Yeah, you know, so and that's >> Yeah. Yeah, you know, so and that's obviously a trivial impact compared to obviously a trivial impact compared to obviously a trivial impact compared to other things that local businesses get other things that local businesses get other things that local businesses get less business and then you know it's it less business and then you know it's it less business and then you know it's it used to be they used to be attrition used to be they used to be attrition used to be they used to be attrition like we used to say that if I if I have like we used to say that if I if I have like we used to say that if I if I have too many employees I almost slow my I'll too many employees I almost slow my I'll too many employees I almost slow my I'll put a hiring employees on and I almost put a hiring employees on and I almost put a hiring employees on and I almost let attrition let attrition let attrition >> you know 10% fail out but that went out >> you know 10% fail out but that went out >> you know 10% fail out but that went out the window years ago and now I mean the the window years ago and now I mean the the window years ago and now I mean the the thing that Wall Street is actually the thing that Wall Street is actually the thing that Wall Street is actually texture texture texture >> yeah well it's such a weird trade-off >> yeah well it's such a weird trade-off >> yeah well it's such a weird trade-off Yeah, you know, asymmetric uh tradeoff. Yeah, you know, asymmetric uh tradeoff. Yeah, you know, asymmetric uh tradeoff. Hey, we're going to aqua hire uh 10 Hey, we're going to aqua hire uh 10 Hey, we're going to aqua hire uh 10 people for $20 billion on one hand and people for $20 billion on one hand and people for $20 billion on one hand and then on the other we're going to lay off then on the other we're going to lay off then on the other we're going to lay off 20,000 people to save $20 billion or 20,000 people to save $20 billion or 20,000 people to save $20 billion or whatever. You know what I'm saying?

whatever. You know what I'm saying? whatever. You know what I'm saying? >> So that we can pay [laughter] >> for some non-essential AI. I mean, here >> for some non-essential AI. I mean, here here's the thing. here's the thing. here's the thing. We were fine without AI. We were fine without AI. We were fine without AI. And I know that sounds like sacrilege, And I know that sounds like sacrilege, And I know that sounds like sacrilege, but AI has not proven to be essential. but AI has not proven to be essential. but AI has not proven to be essential. Do you know what I'm saying? It's not Do you know what I'm saying? It's not Do you know what I'm saying? It's not like oil. It's not like food. like oil. It's not like food. like oil. It's not like food. >> And and it's amazing >> And and it's amazing >> And and it's amazing >> uh how how much we're investing in >> uh how how much we're investing in >> uh how how much we're investing in something that is ultimately not something that is ultimately not something that is ultimately not essential. essential. essential. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> This all for what? Advertising. At the >> This all for what? Advertising. At the >> This all for what? Advertising. At the end of the day, you know, hyperargeted end of the day, you know, hyperargeted end of the day, you know, hyperargeted advertising so a few companies can make advertising so a few companies can make advertising so a few companies can make >> more ads. >> more ads. >> more ads. >> Massive. Yeah. Um, you know, while at >> Massive. Yeah. Um, you know, while at >> Massive. Yeah. Um, you know, while at the same time, um, expanding their the same time, um, expanding their the same time, um, expanding their margins, margins, margins, um, you know, pumping out synthet um, you know, pumping out synthet um, you know, pumping out synthet synthetic, uh, content basically to jin synthetic, uh, content basically to jin synthetic, uh, content basically to jin up the the, uh, their TAM. I mean, come up the the, uh, their TAM. I mean, come up the the, uh, their TAM. I mean, come on.

on. on. >> Yeah. How does this make any sense? like >> Yeah. How does this make any sense? like >> Yeah. How does this make any sense? like what we're talking about um a year ago, what we're talking about um a year ago, what we're talking about um a year ago, you know, are we building a fake you know, are we building a fake you know, are we building a fake economy? Is this like a complete, you economy? Is this like a complete, you economy? Is this like a complete, you know, economy of BS? know, economy of BS? know, economy of BS? And at the end of the day, how are we And at the end of the day, how are we And at the end of the day, how are we going to compete if the only thing we going to compete if the only thing we going to compete if the only thing we have is that we're creating at have is that we're creating at have is that we're creating at the end of, right? I mean, how do you the end of, right? I mean, how do you the end of, right? I mean, how do you >> I mean, seriously, >> I mean, seriously, >> I mean, seriously, >> think about it. What is the worth of a >> think about it. What is the worth of a >> think about it. What is the worth of a lot of the content that's out there, the lot of the content that's out there, the lot of the content that's out there, the the stuff that's generated by AI? What the stuff that's generated by AI? What the stuff that's generated by AI? What is it's actually worth? It's actually is it's actually worth? It's actually is it's actually worth? It's actually pretty. >> Yeah. No, it's true. I mean, but I guess >> Yeah. No, it's true. I mean, but I guess with any technology, you know, people with any technology, you know, people with any technology, you know, people use it use it for purposes and it's for use it use it for purposes and it's for use it use it for purposes and it's for good purposes, too. So good purposes, too. So good purposes, too. So >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> AI is going to accelerate. >> AI is going to accelerate. >> AI is going to accelerate. >> Yeah, let's pull >> Yeah, let's pull >> Yeah, let's pull >> generative AI is going to >> generative AI is going to >> generative AI is going to >> AI, not AI because I got I got >> AI, not AI because I got I got >> AI, not AI because I got I got reprimanded by uh one of my friends on reprimanded by uh one of my friends on reprimanded by uh one of my friends on LinkedIn uh for uh you know uh um LinkedIn uh for uh you know uh um LinkedIn uh for uh you know uh um traditional machine learning.

traditional machine learning. traditional machine learning. >> Yeah. Which works and is good. >> Yeah. Which works and is good. >> Yeah. Which works and is good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So not So not So not >> but there's implementations of >> but there's implementations of >> but there's implementations of generative AI like you know chat bots generative AI like you know chat bots generative AI like you know chat bots things like that where and then content things like that where and then content things like that where and then content like you said content creation you know like you said content creation you know like you said content creation you know like kind of just swap creation uh just like kind of just swap creation uh just like kind of just swap creation uh just to feed the algorithm they obviously to feed the algorithm they obviously to feed the algorithm they obviously hopefully someone will figure out how to hopefully someone will figure out how to hopefully someone will figure out how to disincentivize people to do that right disincentivize people to do that right disincentivize people to do that right now they're incentivized so that's now they're incentivized so that's now they're incentivized so that's what's what's what's >> that's what's happening >> that's what's happening >> that's what's happening >> thank I mean look at look at my look at >> thank I mean look at look at my look at >> thank I mean look at look at my look at my post on uh vibe coding dude my post on uh vibe coding dude my post on uh vibe coding dude Holy crap. Holy crap. Holy crap. >> You know, why did that go? Why are you >> You know, why did that go? Why are you >> You know, why did that go? Why are you pushing that of all of all of the pushing that of all of all of the pushing that of all of all of the content that I put out there? Why were content that I put out there? Why were content that I put out there? Why were you that one? you that one? you that one? >> I've got to show you a video cuz it's >> I've got to show you a video cuz it's >> I've got to show you a video cuz it's funny funny funny >> and it's related to like pitching VCs. >> and it's related to like pitching VCs. >> and it's related to like pitching VCs. So, you'll like this. So, you'll like this. So, you'll like this. >> I'm I'm Ross. >> I'm I'm Ross. >> I'm I'm Ross. >> I'm Natalie. >> I'm Natalie. >> I'm Natalie. >> I I graduated from Stanford. >> I I graduated from Stanford. >> I I graduated from Stanford. >> I dropped out of Harvard when I was 14. >> I dropped out of Harvard when I was 14. >> I dropped out of Harvard when I was 14. >> And I uh exited my first company when I >> And I uh exited my first company when I >> And I uh exited my first company when I was eight. was eight. was eight. >> We are both CS majors. I I have a PhD in >> We are both CS majors. I I have a PhD in >> We are both CS majors. I I have a PhD in in biohysics.

in biohysics. in biohysics. >> We spend most of our time at our hacker >> We spend most of our time at our hacker >> We spend most of our time at our hacker house. house. house. >> It's 14 dudes in the pre-bed. >> It's 14 dudes in the pre-bed. >> It's 14 dudes in the pre-bed. >> We're pre-product, >> We're pre-product, >> We're pre-product, >> pre-revenue, >> pre-revenue, >> pre-revenue, >> pre idea. >> pre idea. >> pre idea. >> Is it AI? >> Is it AI? >> Is it AI? >> Probably. >> Probably. >> Probably. >> Yeah, we're thinking AI. >> Yeah, we're thinking AI. >> Yeah, we're thinking AI. >> How's 20 million sound? >> How's 20 million sound? >> How's 20 million sound? >> That's >> That's >> That's >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, thanks. >> Yeah, thanks. >> Yeah, thanks. >> Sorry, [laughter] >> dude. Um, >> dude. Um, [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] that is so freaking true. Um, I was at a that is so freaking true. Um, I was at a that is so freaking true. Um, I was at a vendor event and they held a contest, vendor event and they held a contest, vendor event and they held a contest, you know, they had like a a founders you know, they had like a a founders you know, they had like a a founders contest or a startup contest and the contest or a startup contest and the contest or a startup contest and the company that won um had like a company that won um had like a company that won um had like a one-on-one with the CEO and then um one-on-one with the CEO and then um one-on-one with the CEO and then um after listening to him about five after listening to him about five after listening to him about five minutes, I says, "Okay, so you won a AI minutes, I says, "Okay, so you won a AI minutes, I says, "Okay, so you won a AI award." I'm listening to you uh what you award." I'm listening to you uh what you award." I'm listening to you uh what you just told me based on what you've told just told me based on what you've told just told me based on what you've told me. I don't see anything AI AI about it. me. I don't see anything AI AI about it. me. I don't see anything AI AI about it. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. He told me he's like, "Yeah, I guess He told me he's like, "Yeah, I guess He told me he's like, "Yeah, I guess you're right." you're right." you're right." >> Yeah. I just love it. We're pre-revenue, >> Yeah. I just love it. We're pre-revenue, >> Yeah. I just love it. We're pre-revenue, uh, pre-product, pre- idea, uh, pre-product, pre- idea, uh, pre-product, pre- idea, pre- idea. [laughter] pre- idea. [laughter] pre- idea. [laughter] >> Is it going to be AI? Uh, yeah.

>> Is it going to be AI? Uh, yeah. >> Is it going to be AI? Uh, yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. 20 million million. >> Yeah. Yeah. 20 million million. >> Yeah. Yeah. 20 million million. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Oh my god. I mean, >> Oh my god. I mean, >> Oh my god. I mean, this is this is like, you know why I this is this is like, you know why I this is this is like, you know why I guess we're laughing and we're making guess we're laughing and we're making guess we're laughing and we're making such a joke of this is because this is such a joke of this is because this is such a joke of this is because this is just like watching Silicon Valley 2.0. I just like watching Silicon Valley 2.0. I just like watching Silicon Valley 2.0. I mean, really, this is what makes Silicon mean, really, this is what makes Silicon mean, really, this is what makes Silicon Valley the show so funny is because we Valley the show so funny is because we Valley the show so funny is because we saw people do stupid like this. saw people do stupid like this. saw people do stupid like this. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> You know, and then fall into this cult >> You know, and then fall into this cult >> You know, and then fall into this cult mentality. mentality. mentality. >> Cult mentality. This is cult mentality >> Cult mentality. This is cult mentality >> Cult mentality. This is cult mentality people. people. people. >> And you know I I mean think about it. >> And you know I I mean think about it. >> And you know I I mean think about it. All all these people who are caught in All all these people who are caught in All all these people who are caught in this cult mindset. this cult mindset. this cult mindset. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What's going to happen when all this >> What's going to happen when all this >> What's going to happen when all this collapses? You know these people are collapses? You know these people are collapses? You know these people are going to be so ass hurt. going to be so ass hurt. going to be so ass hurt. >> I know. And we're not even talking about >> I know. And we're not even talking about >> I know. And we're not even talking about the good cult. the good cult. the good cult. >> And they're going to lose a lot of their >> And they're going to lose a lot of their >> And they're going to lose a lot of their money too at the same time because money too at the same time because money too at the same time because that's what always happens. that's what always happens. that's what always happens. >> Speak speaking of the cult. Sometime you >> Speak speaking of the cult. Sometime you >> Speak speaking of the cult. Sometime you got to play some guitars from THE BAND.

got to play some guitars from THE BAND. got to play some guitars from THE BAND. >> OH YEAH. THAT'S THE good cult. Oh, >> OH YEAH. THAT'S THE good cult. Oh, >> OH YEAH. THAT'S THE good cult. Oh, that's the best cult. that's the best cult. that's the best cult. >> The cult of the cult, >> The cult of the cult, >> The cult of the cult, >> man. There's some good songs there, man. >> man. There's some good songs there, man. >> man. There's some good songs there, man. I love those guys. I love those guys. I love those guys. >> Yeah, [laughter] Pete. Well, Pete was >> Yeah, [laughter] Pete. Well, Pete was >> Yeah, [laughter] Pete. Well, Pete was frozen for a while. I think I think they frozen for a while. I think I think they frozen for a while. I think I think they got to him. They got They was in a got to him. They got They was in a got to him. They got They was in a public place and he was easily public place and he was easily public place and he was easily accessible and the agents got him. accessible and the agents got him. accessible and the agents got him. >> Yeah. Got him. They said, "There is >> Yeah. Got him. They said, "There is >> Yeah. Got him. They said, "There is that. that. that. >> There he is. Get him." >> There he is. Get him." >> There he is. Get him." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He's being subversive on the air. >> He's being subversive on the air. >> He's being subversive on the air. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] can't have that. can't have that. can't have that. >> They have to take him down. Yeah. >> They have to take him down. Yeah. >> They have to take him down. Yeah. >> Yeah. I hope Rick Bat's okay. I hope >> Yeah. I hope Rick Bat's okay. I hope >> Yeah. I hope Rick Bat's okay. I hope they haven't taken him down yet. But, they haven't taken him down yet. But, they haven't taken him down yet. But, you know, that is such a good point you know, that is such a good point you know, that is such a good point though that he was making and it's it's though that he was making and it's it's though that he was making and it's it's >> the democratization is what kills the >> the democratization is what kills the >> the democratization is what kills the big guys and and that's what the big guys and and that's what the big guys and and that's what the smartphone did to well, you know, the smartphone did to well, you know, the smartphone did to well, you know, the smartphone didn't take out the PC, but smartphone didn't take out the PC, but smartphone didn't take out the PC, but it was the growth opportunity. It's the it was the growth opportunity. It's the it was the growth opportunity. It's the thing that took a lot of the wind out of thing that took a lot of the wind out of thing that took a lot of the wind out of the sales of um the PC makers.

the sales of um the PC makers. the sales of um the PC makers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so yeah, in that regard, you're >> And so yeah, in that regard, you're >> And so yeah, in that regard, you're totally right. Um and totally right. Um and totally right. Um and >> Pete Pete, we were really worried that >> Pete Pete, we were really worried that >> Pete Pete, we were really worried that since you're in a public place and we since you're in a public place and we since you're in a public place and we were having a subversive conversation were having a subversive conversation were having a subversive conversation that the agents the agents got to you. that the agents the agents got to you. that the agents the agents got to you. >> They kind of put a bag over my head and >> They kind of put a bag over my head and >> They kind of put a bag over my head and >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Pulled me into the van. >> Pulled me into the van. >> Pulled me into the van. >> Yeah. You're in a van. [laughter] >> Yeah. You're in a van. [laughter] >> Yeah. You're in a van. [laughter] >> Yeah. Sorry about that. >> Yeah. Sorry about that. >> Yeah. Sorry about that. >> We predict that Edge found uh Edge AI >> We predict that Edge found uh Edge AI >> We predict that Edge found uh Edge AI Foundation is going is gonna just go Foundation is going is gonna just go Foundation is going is gonna just go ballistic uh next year. Yeah. So, you're ballistic uh next year. Yeah. So, you're ballistic uh next year. Yeah. So, you're in the right place, man. I mean, uh I in the right place, man. I mean, uh I in the right place, man. I mean, uh I I'm really looking forward to listening I'm really looking forward to listening I'm really looking forward to listening in on uh Durgga's um presentation. I'll in on uh Durgga's um presentation. I'll in on uh Durgga's um presentation. I'll probably share it with everybody because probably share it with everybody because probably share it with everybody because >> Yeah, I think we'll we'll publish it on >> Yeah, I think we'll we'll publish it on >> Yeah, I think we'll we'll publish it on Monday. We'll publish it Monday. So, Monday. We'll publish it Monday. So, Monday. We'll publish it Monday. So, >> cool. Yeah, it was a good talk. There's >> cool. Yeah, it was a good talk. There's >> cool. Yeah, it was a good talk. There's a good good vad a good good vad a good good vad alert outlook sign. So [sighs and gasps] So [sighs and gasps] >> yeah, this is going to be great.

>> yeah, this is going to be great. >> yeah, this is going to be great. >> Yeah, there's a lot of moving parts. >> Yeah, there's a lot of moving parts. >> Yeah, there's a lot of moving parts. This is this year is going to be a This is this year is going to be a This is this year is going to be a really crazy one for quote unquote AI. really crazy one for quote unquote AI. really crazy one for quote unquote AI. Um I think you know even when we compare Um I think you know even when we compare Um I think you know even when we compare to oursel you know when we compare what to oursel you know when we compare what to oursel you know when we compare what we were talking about last year this we were talking about last year this we were talking about last year this time time time >> um this year >> um this year >> um this year everything is flipped you know and um everything is flipped you know and um everything is flipped you know and um >> we're not talking Flip Wilson folks. >> we're not talking Flip Wilson folks. >> we're not talking Flip Wilson folks. >> No he's like one of my he's like one of my >> That's a little obscure. Yeah. >> That's a little obscure. Yeah. >> That's a little obscure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Him. And u I'm here I'm here Yeah. Yeah. Him. And u I'm here I'm here Yeah. Yeah. Him. And u I'm here I'm here for obscure references. for obscure references. for obscure references. >> Okay, here we go. You know that one. >> Okay, here we go. You know that one. >> Okay, here we go. You know that one. >> I remember Flip Wilson. He's a great >> I remember Flip Wilson. He's a great >> I remember Flip Wilson. He's a great comedian. Yeah. [laughter] >> Huh? >> Huh? >> Singer. Singer. >> Singer. Singer. >> Singer. Singer. >> Oh, say Oh, I thought he was a >> Oh, say Oh, I thought he was a >> Oh, say Oh, I thought he was a >> No, Flip Wilson was a comedian, wasn't >> No, Flip Wilson was a comedian, wasn't >> No, Flip Wilson was a comedian, wasn't he? Like he? Like he? Like >> Yeah. Oh, he's screwing.

>> Yeah. Oh, he's screwing. >> Yeah. Oh, he's screwing. >> He had a variety show for a while. >> He had a variety show for a while. >> He had a variety show for a while. >> That's right. That's right. >> That's right. That's right. >> That's right. That's right. >> I just remember it was funny. >> I just remember it was funny. >> I just remember it was funny. But yeah, you're right. You know what? But yeah, you're right. You know what? But yeah, you're right. You know what? All of them were so freaking talented, All of them were so freaking talented, All of them were so freaking talented, right? Like uh um uh what what's his right? Like uh um uh what what's his right? Like uh um uh what what's his name? Roy Clark. I I knew that he played name? Roy Clark. I I knew that he played name? Roy Clark. I I knew that he played guitar. I just didn't know that he was guitar. I just didn't know that he was guitar. I just didn't know that he was like like like >> Oh, yeah. He was a >> Oh, yeah. He was a >> Oh, yeah. He was a >> virtuoso. And freaking ridiculous. I >> virtuoso. And freaking ridiculous. I >> virtuoso. And freaking ridiculous. I mean, he was ridiculous. mean, he was ridiculous. mean, he was ridiculous. >> It's like when you found out he's a >> It's like when you found out he's a >> It's like when you found out he's a comedian. He's an actor, you know? comedian. He's an actor, you know? comedian. He's an actor, you know? >> It's like when you found out that you >> It's like when you found out that you >> It's like when you found out that you found out when you found out Glenn found out when you found out Glenn found out when you found out Glenn Campbell's one of the best guitarists. Campbell's one of the best guitarists. Campbell's one of the best guitarists. >> Oh, I know. Like, how did that >> Oh, I know. Like, how did that >> Oh, I know. Like, how did that [laughter] happen? I know. I thought you [laughter] happen? I know. I thought you [laughter] happen? I know. I thought you just did like, didn't he like host Solid just did like, didn't he like host Solid just did like, didn't he like host Solid Gold or something? What the [laughter] Gold or something? What the [laughter] Gold or something? What the [laughter] hell? hell? hell? >> But he was a rhinestone cowboy. >> But he was a rhinestone cowboy. >> But he was a rhinestone cowboy. >> A rhinestone cowboy. Uh yeah. Yeah. I >> A rhinestone cowboy. Uh yeah. Yeah. I >> A rhinestone cowboy. Uh yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, he was ridiculous. Did you mean, yeah, he was ridiculous. Did you mean, yeah, he was ridiculous. Did you see that? Did you see that footage or see that? Did you see that footage or see that? Did you see that footage or that uh variety show footage where he's that uh variety show footage where he's that uh variety show footage where he's playing with uh George Benson? playing with uh George Benson? playing with uh George Benson? Oh, he went toe-to-toe with George Oh, he went toe-to-toe with George Oh, he went toe-to-toe with George Benson. Benson. Benson. Incredible. Incredible. Incredible. >> Wow. That's >> Wow. That's >> Wow. That's >> I mean, yeah, they were trading licks >> I mean, yeah, they were trading licks >> I mean, yeah, they were trading licks and I was like watching it going, "Oh my and I was like watching it going, "Oh my and I was like watching it going, "Oh my god, you know, this this is like god, you know, this this is like god, you know, this this is like virtuosity, virtuosity, virtuosity, you know, 50 years ago." And all these you know, 50 years ago." And all these you know, 50 years ago." And all these kids think that they're shredders today.

kids think that they're shredders today. kids think that they're shredders today. These guys were shredding long time ago, These guys were shredding long time ago, These guys were shredding long time ago, you know, way before anybody uh was uh you know, way before anybody uh was uh you know, way before anybody uh was uh doing that stuff. And it's amazing doing that stuff. And it's amazing doing that stuff. And it's amazing stuff. It's just we don't know about it stuff. It's just we don't know about it stuff. It's just we don't know about it because because because >> jazz flute. >> jazz flute. >> jazz flute. >> Jazz flute. >> Jazz flute. >> Jazz flute. >> Jazz flute. [clears throat] >> Jazz flute. [clears throat] >> Jazz flute. [clears throat] >> Yep. Not to be confused with a pan >> Yep. Not to be confused with a pan >> Yep. Not to be confused with a pan flute. [snorts] flute. [snorts] flute. [snorts] >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Totally different. >> Totally different. >> Totally different. >> Totally different. Totally different. >> Totally different. Totally different. >> Totally different. Totally different. >> Fear. Zamp fear. You're talking about >> Fear. Zamp fear. You're talking about >> Fear. Zamp fear. You're talking about [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yeah. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff we >> Yeah. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff we >> Yeah. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff we uh didn't talk about that we probably uh didn't talk about that we probably uh didn't talk about that we probably should have talked about, but anyways, I should have talked about, but anyways, I should have talked about, but anyways, I think think think >> that's all right. >> that's all right. >> that's all right. >> This might be our last conversation >> This might be our last conversation >> This might be our last conversation before the agents come for us. So, before the agents come for us. So, before the agents come for us. So, >> yeah. The the abundance before the >> yeah. The the abundance before the >> yeah. The the abundance before the Logan's run. I think Logan's run is Logan's run. I think Logan's run is Logan's run. I think Logan's run is going to be what happens afterwards. Is going to be what happens afterwards. Is going to be what happens afterwards. Is that what you're Is that what you're that what you're Is that what you're that what you're Is that what you're hoping for, hoping for, hoping for, >> Logan? >> Logan? >> Logan? Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Last much. Everyone's >> Last much. Everyone's >> Last much. Everyone's >> everyone gets a quota of life. >> everyone gets a quota of life. >> everyone gets a quota of life. >> I'm sure that P will be renewed. >> I'm sure that P will be renewed. >> I'm sure that P will be renewed. >> Yeah. I hope so. >> Yeah. I hope so. >> Yeah. I hope so. >> Hope so.

>> Hope so. >> Hope so. >> Hope so. >> Hope so. >> Hope so. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But you know, as uh what's his name? >> But you know, as uh what's his name? >> But you know, as uh what's his name? Alan K said, you know, the best way to Alan K said, you know, the best way to Alan K said, you know, the best way to invent the create the predict the future invent the create the predict the future invent the create the predict the future is invent it. So, if you want Logan's is invent it. So, if you want Logan's is invent it. So, if you want Logan's Run instead of Mad Max, folks, you've Run instead of Mad Max, folks, you've Run instead of Mad Max, folks, you've got to invent it. got to invent it. got to invent it. >> Let's get started. >> Let's get started. >> Let's get started. >> Let's get started right now. Building >> Let's get started right now. Building >> Let's get started right now. Building that dome city and everything. that dome city and everything. that dome city and everything. >> Yeah. Skip the whole abundance part. Get >> Yeah. Skip the whole abundance part. Get >> Yeah. Skip the whole abundance part. Get to Logan's run. to Logan's run. to Logan's run. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> All right. Runner. >> All right. Runner. >> All right. Runner. >> Or is Logan's run the abundance end >> Or is Logan's run the abundance end >> Or is Logan's run the abundance end state? state? state? >> It could be. Or the Matrix might be the >> It could be. Or the Matrix might be the >> It could be. Or the Matrix might be the abundance. abundance. abundance. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, >> you just don't. It sounds dystopian, but >> you just don't. It sounds dystopian, but >> you just don't. It sounds dystopian, but compared to the alternative, which could compared to the alternative, which could compared to the alternative, which could be Mad Max out in the wilderness. be Mad Max out in the wilderness. be Mad Max out in the wilderness. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Could be. >> Could be. >> Could be. >> I mean, you know, and you know, here's >> I mean, you know, and you know, here's >> I mean, you know, and you know, here's the crazy thing. We didn't think like the crazy thing. We didn't think like the crazy thing. We didn't think like this before Chachi this before Chachi this before Chachi >> and all this ASI and everything was >> and all this ASI and everything was >> and all this ASI and everything was going great. going great. going great. >> Think [laughter] about everything was >> Think [laughter] about everything was >> Think [laughter] about everything was going great, going great, going great, >> right? I mean, think about it.

>> right? I mean, think about it. >> right? I mean, think about it. >> We didn't have this contrived energy >> We didn't have this contrived energy >> We didn't have this contrived energy crisis. We didn't have crisis. We didn't have crisis. We didn't have >> well I would say though you know the >> well I would say though you know the >> well I would say though you know the internet did turn in around 2010 the internet did turn in around 2010 the internet did turn in around 2010 the internet got dark right I mean when the internet got dark right I mean when the internet got dark right I mean when the internet was first on the public internet was first on the public internet was first on the public consciousness back in turn of a century consciousness back in turn of a century consciousness back in turn of a century right you know 2000 right you know 2000 right you know 2000 late 90s it was all abundance and joy late 90s it was all abundance and joy late 90s it was all abundance and joy and then within 2010 2012 it was and then within 2010 2012 it was and then within 2010 2012 it was Cambridge you know analytica Cambridge you know analytica Cambridge you know analytica manipulation was manipulation was manipulation was >> it got the internet got dark about 2010 >> it got the internet got dark about 2010 >> it got the internet got dark about 2010 and now 10 years later it moves into and now 10 years later it moves into and now 10 years later it moves into kind of AI era was hitting another kind of AI era was hitting another kind of AI era was hitting another darkness. darkness. darkness. >> Yeah. Well, you know, it was getting it >> Yeah. Well, you know, it was getting it >> Yeah. Well, you know, it was getting it the darkness was starting from the the darkness was starting from the the darkness was starting from the beginning. beginning. beginning. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> It was like that rock darkness. >> It was like that rock darkness. >> It was like that rock darkness. >> It was already already dark. People >> It was already already dark. People >> It was already already dark. People didn't know it. didn't know it. didn't know it. >> No, it I mean I I work with a lot of the >> No, it I mean I I work with a lot of the >> No, it I mean I I work with a lot of the early, you know, search engine companies early, you know, search engine companies early, you know, search engine companies when they just started. So [laughter] when they just started. So [laughter] when they just started. So [laughter] I know this for a fact. There was a lot I know this for a fact. There was a lot I know this for a fact. There was a lot of darkness.

of darkness. of darkness. >> Yeah, it got dark for them. That's what >> Yeah, it got dark for them. That's what >> Yeah, it got dark for them. That's what it is. it is. it is. >> Yeah. Yeah. It got dark for them. And >> Yeah. Yeah. It got dark for them. And >> Yeah. Yeah. It got dark for them. And then uh Google took it to the next then uh Google took it to the next then uh Google took it to the next level. level. level. >> Do no evil, ironically. >> Do no evil, ironically. >> Do no evil, ironically. >> Yeah. I mean, it's so dark that >> Yeah. I mean, it's so dark that >> Yeah. I mean, it's so dark that Microsoft didn't even bother to get up Microsoft didn't even bother to get up Microsoft didn't even bother to get up on stage at RSAC conference and uh talk on stage at RSAC conference and uh talk on stage at RSAC conference and uh talk about how much bigger the criminal uh about how much bigger the criminal uh about how much bigger the criminal uh the cyber criminal economy has grown, the cyber criminal economy has grown, the cyber criminal economy has grown, too. It's probably like 15 billion now. too. It's probably like 15 billion now. too. It's probably like 15 billion now. The trillion The trillion The trillion >> trillion. >> trillion. >> trillion. >> Did they say Did they say that that's >> Did they say Did they say that that's >> Did they say Did they say that that's the is it the second or third largest the is it the second or third largest the is it the second or third largest economy in the world? economy in the world? economy in the world? >> Third and will very soon become the >> Third and will very soon become the >> Third and will very soon become the second largest economy larger than second largest economy larger than second largest economy larger than China's economy and then who knows China's economy and then who knows China's economy and then who knows eventually that the global that global eventually that the global that global eventually that the global that global cyber crime uh criminal economy will cyber crime uh criminal economy will cyber crime uh criminal economy will probably be become bigger than the US. probably be become bigger than the US. probably be become bigger than the US. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's where all the laid off. >> That's where all the laid off. >> That's where all the laid off. >> Yeah. and and and we can thank >> Yeah. and and and we can thank >> Yeah. and and and we can thank >> hyper criminal economy. >> hyper criminal economy. >> hyper criminal economy. >> Yeah, we can thank crypto for that >> Yeah, we can thank crypto for that >> Yeah, we can thank crypto for that because because because >> baby [laughter] >> baby [laughter] >> baby [laughter] >> thanks crypto.

>> thanks crypto. >> thanks crypto. >> Thanks good stuff. >> Thanks good stuff. >> Thanks good stuff. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> No. Yeah. You know the only reason why I >> No. Yeah. You know the only reason why I >> No. Yeah. You know the only reason why I say that is go and check out the the say that is go and check out the the say that is go and check out the the daily volumes when any time goes daily volumes when any time goes daily volumes when any time goes down the volumes are massive. down the volumes are massive. down the volumes are massive. you know, you have uh tens of billions you know, you have uh tens of billions you know, you have uh tens of billions of dollars circulating through that of dollars circulating through that of dollars circulating through that thing and that does not make it a store thing and that does not make it a store thing and that does not make it a store of value, [laughter] right? right? >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> It's not a store of value. So, >> It's not a store of value. So, >> It's not a store of value. So, >> no, it's not a currency. It's just >> no, it's not a currency. It's just >> no, it's not a currency. It's just crypto. crypto. crypto. >> Yeah. It's >> Yeah. It's >> Yeah. It's >> crypto without the currency. >> crypto without the currency. >> crypto without the currency. >> It's a money It's a value transfer >> It's a money It's a value transfer >> It's a money It's a value transfer mechanism. unregulated, anonymous, and mechanism. unregulated, anonymous, and mechanism. unregulated, anonymous, and perfect for the cyber criminal economy. perfect for the cyber criminal economy. perfect for the cyber criminal economy. I mean, I mean, I mean, >> what can go wrong? >> what can go wrong? >> what can go wrong? >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so anyway, um, >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so anyway, um, >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so anyway, um, >> wow, Rice, on that note, >> wow, Rice, on that note, >> wow, Rice, on that note, >> I would have to say >> I would have to say >> I would have to say >> thoroughly depressing. >> thoroughly depressing. >> thoroughly depressing. >> Fashion pancakes are still good. So, >> Fashion pancakes are still good. So, >> Fashion pancakes are still good. So, that still works. that still works. that still works. >> Yes.

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