IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 208 - 4th Year Anniversary!!

nice nice beat it everybody I should have on my beat it everybody I should have on my beat it everybody I should have on my moonwalk more moonwalk more moonwalk more yeah it's it's 8: a.m. to play that or yeah it's it's 8: a.m. to play that or yeah it's it's 8: a.m. to play that or what it's a wake up call it's a wakeup call new alarm you need to warm up your call new alarm you need to warm up your fingers yeah wake up fingers yeah wake up fingers yeah wake up everyone exactly wake up yeah and everyone exactly wake up yeah and everyone exactly wake up yeah and Welcome to our fourth anniversary Welcome to our fourth anniversary Welcome to our fourth anniversary episode of iot Coffee Talk wow four episode of iot Coffee Talk wow four episode of iot Coffee Talk wow four years people pretty czy four years in years people pretty czy four years in years people pretty czy four years in Tech is like it's like a hundred regular Tech is like it's like a hundred regular Tech is like it's like a hundred regular years you know it is it is it's like years you know it is it is it's like years you know it is it is it's like it's like Foreigner it's like Foreigner it's like Foreigner four Foreigner four yeah four Foreigner four yeah four Foreigner four yeah a I should I should have played a I should I should have played a I should I should have played something off of that album dude oh my something off of that album dude oh my something off of that album dude oh my God I should have consulted with you God I should have consulted with you God I should have consulted with you beforehand oh my God you know what what beforehand oh my God you know what what beforehand oh my God you know what what are you gonna do what are you gonna do are you gonna do what are you gonna do are you gonna do what are you gonna do oh my gosh I can't believe you're right oh my gosh I can't believe you're right oh my gosh I can't believe you're right Pete four years in Tech it's like a Pete four years in Tech it's like a Pete four years in Tech it's like a thousand dog years or I don't know thousand dog years or I don't know thousand dog years or I don't know whatever yeah whatever whatever yeah whatever whatever yeah whatever the someone needs to do the math I don't the someone needs to do the math I don't the someone needs to do the math I don't know yeah go about generative AI four know yeah go about generative AI four know yeah go about generative AI four years years years ago right somebody's breaking the party ago right somebody's breaking the party ago right somebody's breaking the party already yeah I know you had to poop on already yeah I know you had to poop on already yeah I know you had to poop on the party the party the party huh yeah you know yeah before you huh yeah you know yeah before you huh yeah you know yeah before you joining with with Leonard we were joining with with Leonard we were joining with with Leonard we were talking about technologies that were talking about technologies that were talking about technologies that were that 4 years iot technologies that were

that 4 years iot technologies that were that 4 years iot technologies that were that 4 years ago and now they are uh that 4 years ago and now they are uh that 4 years ago and now they are uh yeah raising like mqtt mqtt is not that yeah raising like mqtt mqtt is not that yeah raising like mqtt mqtt is not that by the way right we we quit talking by the way right we we quit talking by the way right we we quit talking about mqtt a long time ago but a lot of about mqtt a long time ago but a lot of about mqtt a long time ago but a lot of young people who are new are talking young people who are new are talking young people who are new are talking about it all over again like it's some about it all over again like it's some about it all over again like it's some new kind of new kind of new kind of Technology rediscovered it's because of Technology rediscovered it's because of Technology rediscovered it's because of iot coffee talk because Rob iot coffee talk because Rob iot coffee talk because Rob Tiff all the young people about youngers Tiff all the young people about youngers Tiff all the young people about youngers out there technology and then they out there technology and then they out there technology and then they resurrected it like a freaking zombie resurrected it like a freaking zombie resurrected it like a freaking zombie you know in fact in fact our audience you know in fact in fact our audience you know in fact in fact our audience won't even believe this there are won't even believe this there are won't even believe this there are actually companies that sell mqtt actually companies that sell mqtt actually companies that sell mqtt Brokers like it's a product that you Brokers like it's a product that you Brokers like it's a product that you should pay for can you believe it that's should pay for can you believe it that's should pay for can you believe it that's just like open source it's like a web just like open source it's like a web just like open source it's like a web server can you believe it there's like server can you believe it there's like server can you believe it there's like companies I guess they're making money I companies I guess they're making money I companies I guess they're making money I don't know who knew don't know who knew don't know who knew anyway yeah music rediscovering music anyway yeah music rediscovering music anyway yeah music rediscovering music from the 90s you know it's like it is from the 90s you know it's like it is from the 90s you know it's like it is and and and paying a thousand dollar for and and and paying a thousand dollar for and and and paying a thousand dollar for a t-shirt from a concert yeah that's it a t-shirt from a concert yeah that's it a t-shirt from a concert yeah that's it yeah that's a good yeah that's a good yeah that's a good analogy you know you know what it is Rob analogy you know you know what it is Rob analogy you know you know what it is Rob we are Tech we are Tech we are Tech necromancers old freaking old we necromancers old freaking old we necromancers old freaking old we resurrect we bring dead Technologies resurrect we bring dead Technologies resurrect we bring dead Technologies back to back to back to life wow there's got to be there's got life wow there's got to be there's got life wow there's got to be there's got to be a private Equity willing to invest to be a private Equity willing to invest to be a private Equity willing to invest in us for that come I hope so we really in us for that come I hope so we really in us for that come I hope so we really need it it's archaeology 2.0 so we Dig

need it it's archaeology 2.0 so we Dig need it it's archaeology 2.0 so we Dig Down stuff and we remarket it so so Down stuff and we remarket it so so Down stuff and we remarket it so so maybe next four years we're going to maybe next four years we're going to maybe next four years we're going to have the serial communication coming have the serial communication coming have the serial communication coming back back back so so so probably for all I know some someone's probably for all I know some someone's probably for all I know some someone's gonna try to build a product based on gonna try to build a product based on gonna try to build a product based on lightweight MTM for all I know oh no oh lightweight MTM for all I know oh no oh lightweight MTM for all I know oh no oh no no you had to bring that no no you had to bring that no no you had to bring that up oh up oh up oh God oh my God it's Stephanie God oh my God it's Stephanie God oh my God it's Stephanie hey howy howy Bandera howy it's gonna be Bandera howy it's gonna be Bandera howy it's gonna be a yeah so before we begin guys we have a yeah so before we begin guys we have a yeah so before we begin guys we have to do our disclaimer so to all of you to do our disclaimer so to all of you to do our disclaimer so to all of you who are who are who are listening uh take us seriously at your listening uh take us seriously at your listening uh take us seriously at your own damn risk okay or maybe or not we own damn risk okay or maybe or not we own damn risk okay or maybe or not we are here purely to have fun you all know are here purely to have fun you all know are here purely to have fun you all know that right you can't take us seriously that right you can't take us seriously that right you can't take us seriously so we need this disclaimer so we can say so we need this disclaimer so we can say so we need this disclaimer so we can say whatever the hell we want and just have whatever the hell we want and just have whatever the hell we want and just have a good time and hopefully everyone a good time and hopefully everyone a good time and hopefully everyone enjoys our banter um there's no script enjoys our banter um there's no script enjoys our banter um there's no script here on our fourth here on our fourth here on our fourth anniversary episode of Coffey talk so anniversary episode of Coffey talk so anniversary episode of Coffey talk so we're going to get started here and um we're going to get started here and um we're going to get started here and um hey I just want to start off number one hey I just want to start off number one hey I just want to start off number one uh Rob congratulations man you uh Rob congratulations man you uh Rob congratulations man you know Caroline graduated you're know Caroline graduated you're know Caroline graduated you're yeah yeah that exciting Kathy and

yeah yeah that exciting Kathy and yeah yeah that exciting Kathy and I how did you get back so fast I thought I how did you get back so fast I thought I how did you get back so fast I thought you were still in Arizona we we flew you were still in Arizona we we flew you were still in Arizona we we flew back late yesterday afternoon last night back late yesterday afternoon last night back late yesterday afternoon last night so yeah yeah exactly time I would have so yeah yeah exactly time I would have so yeah yeah exactly time I would have prefer to stay there to be honest with prefer to stay there to be honest with prefer to stay there to be honest with you than to come back to the Pacific you than to come back to the Pacific you than to come back to the Pacific Northwest sorry Northwest people Arizona Northwest sorry Northwest people Arizona Northwest sorry Northwest people Arizona was was was awesome bad area to be Stu Paradise awesome bad area to be Stu Paradise awesome bad area to be Stu Paradise Valley in Scottdale does not suck yeah Valley in Scottdale does not suck yeah Valley in Scottdale does not suck yeah y oh my gosh yeah that was wonderful y oh my gosh yeah that was wonderful y oh my gosh yeah that was wonderful yeah a great time yeah congratulations yeah a great time yeah congratulations yeah a great time yeah congratulations to your daughter yeah it's exciting to your daughter yeah it's exciting to your daughter yeah it's exciting absolutely absolutely big change woo yes absolutely absolutely big change woo yes absolutely absolutely big change woo yes not a single one of my kids took my not a single one of my kids took my not a single one of my kids took my advice on learning how to code or advice on learning how to code or advice on learning how to code or anything like that no they don't listen anything like that no they don't listen anything like that no they don't listen to us they do what they do what they to us they do what they do what they to us they do what they do what they want that's for sure don't give up don't want that's for sure don't give up don't want that's for sure don't give up don't give up Rob mine did the same but now give up Rob mine did the same but now give up Rob mine did the same but now she's on a har program online and I was she's on a har program online and I was she's on a har program online and I was at at b side of the weekend and there's at at b side of the weekend and there's at at b side of the weekend and there's one of those card puzzles you know about one of those card puzzles you know about one of those card puzzles you know about security flow in a piece of code so I security flow in a piece of code so I security flow in a piece of code so I sent her a picture and it's C code and sent her a picture and it's C code and sent her a picture and it's C code and she found the answer I she found the answer I she found the answer I was you're like proud daddy moment was you're like proud daddy moment was you're like proud daddy moment exactly sorry about that guys no it's exactly sorry about that guys no it's exactly sorry about that guys no it's good kids need to have a backup plan good kids need to have a backup plan good kids need to have a backup plan because they're gonna go off and do because they're gonna go off and do because they're gonna go off and do whatever they crazy stuff and it might whatever they crazy stuff and it might whatever they crazy stuff and it might work out but if not write some work out but if not write some work out but if not write some code fund code code for food whatever it code fund code code for food whatever it code fund code code for food whatever it takes for takes for takes for food

food food new he's a new one I writ j i prompt for new he's a new one I writ j i prompt for new he's a new one I writ j i prompt for food yeah there you go no you're right food yeah there you go no you're right food yeah there you go no you're right that's the new cardboard sign or or I that's the new cardboard sign or or I that's the new cardboard sign or or I take J prompt and I fix it and then I take J prompt and I fix it and then I take J prompt and I fix it and then I hand it off to you for food for food and hand it off to you for food for food and hand it off to you for food for food and that's just a good reminder for audience that's just a good reminder for audience that's just a good reminder for audience who are dabbling with generative Ai and who are dabbling with generative Ai and who are dabbling with generative Ai and doing all these prompts using Claude or doing all these prompts using Claude or doing all these prompts using Claude or Chad gbt or one of the others out there Chad gbt or one of the others out there Chad gbt or one of the others out there Gemini you still actually have to know Gemini you still actually have to know Gemini you still actually have to know kind of the answer in advance to make kind of the answer in advance to make kind of the answer in advance to make sure that it's not lying to you and I sure that it's not lying to you and I sure that it's not lying to you and I know we've talked about this before in know we've talked about this before in know we've talked about this before in hallucinations but that's kind of this hallucinations but that's kind of this hallucinations but that's kind of this weird thing in the background is you weird thing in the background is you weird thing in the background is you actually technically need to have some actually technically need to have some actually technically need to have some expertise in the thing you're asking a expertise in the thing you're asking a expertise in the thing you're asking a question about because you you actually question about because you you actually question about because you you actually have to verify it's a correct answer a have to verify it's a correct answer a have to verify it's a correct answer a lot of people who don't know any lot of people who don't know any lot of people who don't know any different they'll like yeah I just wrote different they'll like yeah I just wrote different they'll like yeah I just wrote this report for a customer on all this this report for a customer on all this this report for a customer on all this stuff it Happ La Land I have a great stuff it Happ La Land I have a great stuff it Happ La Land I have a great story so yesterday I was in the A&M 2028 story so yesterday I was in the A&M 2028 story so yesterday I was in the A&M 2028 Forum or whatever because there's a lot Forum or whatever because there's a lot Forum or whatever because there's a lot going on with my kid too but that was a going on with my kid too but that was a going on with my kid too but that was a professor chimed in and said hey all you professor chimed in and said hey all you professor chimed in and said hey all you incoming freshman I've got I've got some incoming freshman I've got I've got some incoming freshman I've got I've got some news for you and he he started going on news for you and he he started going on news for you and he he started going on his rant about AI he said even on the his rant about AI he said even on the his rant about AI he said even on the syllabus as I put no Bots or no AI syllabus as I put no Bots or no AI syllabus as I put no Bots or no AI generator reports he said we're getting generator reports he said we're getting generator reports he said we're getting like flooded and he goes and it's not like flooded and he goes and it's not like flooded and he goes and it's not even just like half of it it's like

even just like half of it it's like even just like half of it it's like they're pulling put they're turning in they're pulling put they're turning in they're pulling put they're turning in full-fledged reports and college that full-fledged reports and college that full-fledged reports and college that are completely AI generated and they are completely AI generated and they are completely AI generated and they have software at these colleges that have software at these colleges that have software at these colleges that check for Bots like and they don't these check for Bots like and they don't these check for Bots like and they don't these kids kind of like they should know that kids kind of like they should know that kids kind of like they should know that and he's like he's kind of like giving and he's like he's kind of like giving and he's like he's kind of like giving the warning for the Next Generation the warning for the Next Generation the warning for the Next Generation coming in like stop doing it we know coming in like stop doing it we know coming in like stop doing it we know what you're doing we can find find it what you're doing we can find find it what you're doing we can find find it out you're going to get a zero you're out you're going to get a zero you're out you're going to get a zero you're going to fail yeah yeah well you know going to fail yeah yeah well you know going to fail yeah yeah well you know the other thing Rob I'll add on to you the other thing Rob I'll add on to you the other thing Rob I'll add on to you know you need to know what you're doing know you need to know what you're doing know you need to know what you're doing or be somewhat of a knowledgeable in a or be somewhat of a knowledgeable in a or be somewhat of a knowledgeable in a domain in order to vet the domain in order to vet the domain in order to vet the output but you also have to be pretty um output but you also have to be pretty um output but you also have to be pretty um you know expert to ask the questions you you know expert to ask the questions you you know expert to ask the questions you know and that yeah in RSA it became very know and that yeah in RSA it became very know and that yeah in RSA it became very evident because if you go and you look evident because if you go and you look evident because if you go and you look at I mean when look at what Microsoft at I mean when look at what Microsoft at I mean when look at what Microsoft has tried to do with co-pilot what did has tried to do with co-pilot what did has tried to do with co-pilot what did they do first they did GitHub and then they do first they did GitHub and then they do first they did GitHub and then they went to security right guess what they went to security right guess what they went to security right guess what the security stuff regardless of which the security stuff regardless of which the security stuff regardless of which Booth you went Booth you went Booth you went to very weak and a lot of the isvs that to very weak and a lot of the isvs that to very weak and a lot of the isvs that I thought were going to just put it I thought were going to just put it I thought were going to just put it front and center didn't put in front and front and center didn't put in front and front and center didn't put in front and center well right because they know center well right because they know center well right because they know the and they don't want to give this to the and they don't want to give this to the and they don't want to give this to some Junior person who doesn't know the some Junior person who doesn't know the some Junior person who doesn't know the questions to ask and then uh have questions to ask and then uh have questions to ask and then uh have introduced just disaster into your

introduced just disaster into your introduced just disaster into your security environment yeah you know what security environment yeah you know what security environment yeah you know what I've enjoyed lately on the LinkedIn I've enjoyed lately on the LinkedIn I've enjoyed lately on the LinkedIn machine our friend you know Dean bubbly machine our friend you know Dean bubbly machine our friend you know Dean bubbly Tech analyst I've seen him calling out Tech analyst I've seen him calling out Tech analyst I've seen him calling out people where he goes dude it looks like people where he goes dude it looks like people where he goes dude it looks like the whole thing you wrote was generated the whole thing you wrote was generated the whole thing you wrote was generated by AI or it looks like your comments by AI or it looks like your comments by AI or it looks like your comments were just that AI summation it doesn't were just that AI summation it doesn't were just that AI summation it doesn't even you don't even sound like a real even you don't even sound like a real even you don't even sound like a real person he's just like totally calling person he's just like totally calling person he's just like totally calling people out it's hilarious yeah right you people out it's hilarious yeah right you people out it's hilarious yeah right you know you know you got to call him out know you know you got to call him out know you know you got to call him out for using mid Journey or whatever that for using mid Journey or whatever that for using mid Journey or whatever that thing is oh his artwork yeah the artwork thing is oh his artwork yeah the artwork thing is oh his artwork yeah the artwork is pretty impressive man pretty is pretty impressive man pretty is pretty impressive man pretty impressive artw but you impressive artw but you impressive artw but you know it looks like crap knock it know it looks like crap knock it know it looks like crap knock it off yes Stephanie I like your point but off yes Stephanie I like your point but off yes Stephanie I like your point but I think there's also a there's also a I think there's also a there's also a I think there's also a there's also a big danger in the education system of big danger in the education system of big danger in the education system of combating this systems because the way I combating this systems because the way I combating this systems because the way I think about it is that if they keep on think about it is that if they keep on think about it is that if they keep on asking question that student can find asking question that student can find asking question that student can find the answers very easy with jni and good the answers very easy with jni and good the answers very easy with jni and good answer they should start asking other answer they should start asking other answer they should start asking other question because what do you think the question because what do you think the question because what do you think the businesses are going to do the businesses are going to do the businesses are going to do the businesses are going to replace people businesses are going to replace people businesses are going to replace people with train to answer those question by with train to answer those question by with train to answer those question by AI because AI can do that so this of AI because AI can do that so this of AI because AI can do that so this of trying to block student for using gen s trying to block student for using gen s trying to block student for using gen s is just to kind of really changing the is just to kind of really changing the is just to kind of really changing the teaching method exactly because so teaching method exactly because so teaching method exactly because so you're saying maybe incorpor some you're saying maybe incorpor some you're saying maybe incorpor some projects where you do leverage gen gen projects where you do leverage gen gen projects where you do leverage gen gen or maybe prove whether it maybe prove it or maybe prove whether it maybe prove it or maybe prove whether it maybe prove it accuracy or prove or or bring back oral accuracy or prove or or bring back oral accuracy or prove or or bring back oral exams you have to stand in Fr of the

exams you have to stand in Fr of the exams you have to stand in Fr of the class yeah even fundamentally it's a class yeah even fundamentally it's a class yeah even fundamentally it's a great opportunity because the the the great opportunity because the the the great opportunity because the the the value of gen if you feed it with the value of gen if you feed it with the value of gen if you feed it with the right data with domains that are known right data with domains that are known right data with domains that are known and proven thei is better as an human so and proven thei is better as an human so and proven thei is better as an human so use that and try to solve new question use that and try to solve new question use that and try to solve new question because that's the problem of all because that's the problem of all because that's the problem of all education system we ask student to solve education system we ask student to solve education system we ask student to solve problem they've been soaz in time but problem they've been soaz in time but problem they've been soaz in time but but here's the thing here's the thing but here's the thing here's the thing but here's the thing here's the thing you know when you go to school when you you know when you go to school when you you know when you go to school when you go to college you go there to learn go to college you go there to learn go to college you go there to learn develop skills ideally right I mean most develop skills ideally right I mean most develop skills ideally right I mean most of us partied and went to the beach in of us partied and went to the beach in of us partied and went to the beach in 10 class that's not ideal but you know I 10 class that's not ideal but you know I 10 class that's not ideal but you know I mean AI is a mean AI is a mean AI is a tool right it's always change don't tool right it's always change don't tool right it's always change don't treat it as The Core Curriculum and treat it as The Core Curriculum and treat it as The Core Curriculum and maybe elective it could be like a a maybe elective it could be like a a maybe elective it could be like a a course one class but don't make it the course one class but don't make it the course one class but don't make it the mode of mode of mode of Education you Education you Education you know why not why not it's gonna be the know why not why not it's gonna be the know why not why not it's gonna be the Moe of business no because the Moe of business no because the Moe of business no because the books BS productivity it's not about the books BS productivity it's not about the books BS productivity it's not about the books had the truth huh the books the books had the truth huh the books the books had the truth huh the books the books had the truth before right yeah books had the truth before right yeah books had the truth before right yeah you're so so so teachers were asking you're so so so teachers were asking you're so so so teachers were asking what was written in the books exactly what was written in the books exactly what was written in the books exactly like the books or the authors of the like the books or the authors of the like the books or the authors of the books were writing that so also about you know learning how to so also about you know learning how to learn and learning how to build learning

learn and learning how to build learning learn and learning how to build learning SK thinking skills and so actually like SK thinking skills and so actually like SK thinking skills and so actually like a cliff notes on steroids like we yeah I a cliff notes on steroids like we yeah I a cliff notes on steroids like we yeah I mean there's always been cliff notes and mean there's always been cliff notes and mean there's always been cliff notes and you know reading the back of the book you know reading the back of the book you know reading the back of the book for your book report in fourth grade and for your book report in fourth grade and for your book report in fourth grade and stuff just a much more sophisticated stuff just a much more sophisticated stuff just a much more sophisticated version of that learning how to do version of that learning how to do version of that learning how to do research also a skill it is it is yeah research also a skill it is it is yeah research also a skill it is it is yeah finding you know learning how to learn finding you know learning how to learn finding you know learning how to learn learning how to problem solve you you learning how to problem solve you you learning how to problem solve you you never acquire that skill like you know never acquire that skill like you know never acquire that skill like you know that cotton paste off of um that cotton paste off of um that cotton paste off of um Google they yeah some of them don't know Google they yeah some of them don't know Google they yeah some of them don't know how to do but back into those kind of how to do but back into those kind of how to do but back into those kind of kids a generation coming in into kids a generation coming in into kids a generation coming in into Consulting that couldn't do basic Consulting that couldn't do basic Consulting that couldn't do basic consulting stuff when you go back and consulting stuff when you go back and consulting stuff when you go back and Mark Mark with the mark with the books Mark Mark with the mark with the books Mark Mark with the mark with the books though is is the college library a Relic though is is the college library a Relic though is is the college library a Relic or like are we never going to see or like are we never going to see or like are we never going to see College libraries because of that well College libraries because of that well College libraries because of that well the colleges are already um shifting the colleges are already um shifting the colleges are already um shifting their textbooks to digital and online their textbooks to digital and online their textbooks to digital and online versions that you can prent so they're versions that you can prent so they're versions that you can prent so they're already you know it's already common in already you know it's already common in already you know it's already common in college to not have to have a book in college to not have to have a book in college to not have to have a book in your hand but to look at it through your hand but to look at it through your hand but to look at it through digital digital digital formats yeah in digitalizing the books formats yeah in digitalizing the books formats yeah in digitalizing the books here in Barcelona what what the city here in Barcelona what what the city here in Barcelona what what the city hall was trying to push to towards hall was trying to push to towards hall was trying to push to towards public schools is to convert the public schools is to convert the public schools is to convert the libraries into a library and a makeup libraries into a library and a makeup libraries into a library and a makeup space together so let's put 3D printers space together so let's put 3D printers space together so let's put 3D printers let's put uh so let's compare that into let's put uh so let's compare that into let's put uh so let's compare that into know a library well a knowledge place

know a library well a knowledge place know a library well a knowledge place where you where you where you can not only learn from from what is can not only learn from from what is can not only learn from from what is there but as well convert uh beats into there but as well convert uh beats into there but as well convert uh beats into feels like this would be a topic of a feels like this would be a topic of a feels like this would be a topic of a good talk I'm sure I'm sure someone's good talk I'm sure I'm sure someone's good talk I'm sure I'm sure someone's done a good talk on like how education done a good talk on like how education done a good talk on like how education is being transformed with you know gen is being transformed with you know gen is being transformed with you know gen and Welcome to our Ted Talk there you go and Welcome to our Ted Talk there you go and Welcome to our Ted Talk there you go that's my Ted talk yeah exactly that's my Ted talk yeah exactly that's my Ted talk yeah exactly Mark Mark you're right you're right Mark Mark you're right you're right Mark Mark you're right you're right about the books we trusted the books a about the books we trusted the books a about the books we trusted the books a long time ago what's the difference what long time ago what's the difference what long time ago what's the difference what what's the difference you know the guy what's the difference you know the guy what's the difference you know the guy who wrote the book might have been full who wrote the book might have been full who wrote the book might have been full of [ __ ] and not know turns out maybe yes of [ __ ] and not know turns out maybe yes of [ __ ] and not know turns out maybe yes that's true that's true that's true yes right right but that that that's yes right right but that that that's yes right right but that that that's where college or university or whatever where college or university or whatever where college or university or whatever is a form of of a debate right ideally I is a form of of a debate right ideally I is a form of of a debate right ideally I mean I think most people just listen mean I think most people just listen mean I think most people just listen depends depends depends yeah it depends if you go to a religious yeah it depends if you go to a religious yeah it depends if you go to a religious school or not if you go no depending so school or not if you go no depending so school or not if you go no depending so but but something that foundational that but but something that foundational that but but something that foundational that needs to change basically is that in needs to change basically is that in needs to change basically is that in schools basically you are trained to schools basically you are trained to schools basically you are trained to reply to answer questions yeah and I reply to answer questions yeah and I reply to answer questions yeah and I think it's even now it gets more think it's even now it gets more think it's even now it gets more important but I'm learning this with the important but I'm learning this with the important but I'm learning this with the years that it's more important to know years that it's more important to know years that it's more important to know how to make questions than answering how to make questions than answering how to make questions than answering questions right and and now it's it's questions right and and now it's it's questions right and and now it's it's even more important right it's what you even more important right it's what you even more important right it's what you were saying before I feel for all those were saying before I feel for all those were saying before I feel for all those how to do the right questions that use how to do the right questions that use how to do the right questions that use Gemini to make illustrations of the Gemini to make illustrations of the Gemini to make illustrations of the founding fathers in their book reports I founding fathers in their book reports I founding fathers in their book reports I feel bad for feel bad for feel bad for them yeah man that backfire big time and

them yeah man that backfire big time and them yeah man that backfire big time and hey Mark you know Mark your point about hey Mark you know Mark your point about hey Mark you know Mark your point about that is interesting because yeah RSA dude sorry about that next time yeah RSA dude sorry about that next time there um so I guess it's but what a there um so I guess it's but what a there um so I guess it's but what a decade back they talked about flipped decade back they talked about flipped decade back they talked about flipped classrooms where you are doing the test classrooms where you are doing the test classrooms where you are doing the test and doing less work in the class and and doing less work in the class and and doing less work in the class and more homework at home right so it's it's more homework at home right so it's it's more homework at home right so it's it's they've kind of flipped that whole they've kind of flipped that whole they've kind of flipped that whole Paradigm and now now it's like you're Paradigm and now now it's like you're Paradigm and now now it's like you're right instead of asking the questions right instead of asking the questions right instead of asking the questions are we learning how to to prompt are we are we learning how to to prompt are we are we learning how to to prompt are we learning how to use the tools that we learning how to use the tools that we learning how to use the tools that we have to you know increase our knowledge have to you know increase our knowledge have to you know increase our knowledge base I I don't know I think that it's base I I don't know I think that it's base I I don't know I think that it's almost along the same lines but you know almost along the same lines but you know almost along the same lines but you know the other problem with a lot of this is the other problem with a lot of this is the other problem with a lot of this is that colle at the same time competition that colle at the same time competition that colle at the same time competition has been all about how do we move online has been all about how do we move online has been all about how do we move online how do we do online instruction how do how do we do online instruction how do how do we do online instruction how do we deliver that in a way and then of we deliver that in a way and then of we deliver that in a way and then of course Co further enhanced that um some course Co further enhanced that um some course Co further enhanced that um some of the colleges have decided to go back of the colleges have decided to go back of the colleges have decided to go back to traditional teaching so there's this to traditional teaching so there's this to traditional teaching so there's this whole tug and pull in the educational whole tug and pull in the educational whole tug and pull in the educational system on what's going to work best but system on what's going to work best but system on what's going to work best but I think a lot of those private I think a lot of those private I think a lot of those private institutions are going to stick to a lot institutions are going to stick to a lot institutions are going to stick to a lot of that traditional stuff unless they're of that traditional stuff unless they're of that traditional stuff unless they're a more Innovative campus that's coming a more Innovative campus that's coming a more Innovative campus that's coming out out out you know there's a lot of those popping you know there's a lot of those popping you know there's a lot of those popping up too yeah but do you think the next up too yeah but do you think the next up too yeah but do you think the next generation is going to universities but generation is going to universities but generation is going to universities but this in Europe it's completely different this in Europe it's completely different this in Europe it's completely different because we have because we have because we have aot almost free they're already making aot almost free they're already making aot almost free they're already making it's a big pain right yeah yeah I'm

it's a big pain right yeah yeah I'm it's a big pain right yeah yeah I'm already hearing some chatter out there already hearing some chatter out there already hearing some chatter out there that that might be a that that might be a that that might be a dying um you won't you won't go go and dying um you won't you won't go go and dying um you won't you won't go go and get your degree you will you know but get your degree you will you know but get your degree you will you know but the trade schools may become more and the trade schools may become more and the trade schools may become more and more of an interest I think that more of an interest I think that more of an interest I think that educational I think that especially educational I think that especially educational I think that especially higher education is going to change so higher education is going to change so higher education is going to change so much over the next 20 years because it much over the next 20 years because it much over the next 20 years because it has to especially here in the I remember has to especially here in the I remember has to especially here in the I remember a couple years ago I think Elon Musk a couple years ago I think Elon Musk a couple years ago I think Elon Musk posted that his kids are getting their posted that his kids are getting their posted that his kids are getting their education from YouTube and Tik Tok that education from YouTube and Tik Tok that education from YouTube and Tik Tok that makes makes makes sense what Tik sense what Tik sense what Tik Tok you do you that's what I say you do Tok you do you that's what I say you do Tok you do you that's what I say you do you exactly that's our new startup you you exactly that's our new startup you you exactly that's our new startup you do you there you go I love do you there you go I love do you there you go I love it I can see a lot of big companies it I can see a lot of big companies it I can see a lot of big companies starting to maybe you know get young starting to maybe you know get young starting to maybe you know get young people in and then find a a learning people in and then find a a learning people in and then find a a learning path for them right that could be trade path for them right that could be trade path for them right that could be trade school could be you know night schooling school could be you know night schooling school could be you know night schooling University whatever but that they're University whatever but that they're University whatever but that they're paying for I can see that coming prompt paying for I can see that coming prompt paying for I can see that coming prompt engineering I heard that's a hot area engineering I heard that's a hot area engineering I heard that's a hot area yeah yeah exactly that's like SEO yeah yeah exactly that's like SEO yeah yeah exactly that's like SEO right SEO on SEO yeah until Google right SEO on SEO yeah until Google right SEO on SEO yeah until Google changes the algorithm and blows up your changes the algorithm and blows up your changes the algorithm and blows up your SEO and like there you go whatever the SEO and like there you go whatever the SEO and like there you go whatever the same thing with the internships is that same thing with the internships is that same thing with the internships is that the internships have also evolved I know the internships have also evolved I know the internships have also evolved I know it used to be now there's a lot of kids it used to be now there's a lot of kids it used to be now there's a lot of kids that want to have internships that do that want to have internships that do that want to have internships that do rotational so they're actually getting rotational so they're actually getting rotational so they're actually getting to work in each department um so I don't

to work in each department um so I don't to work in each department um so I don't know I mean I don't know if all of that know I mean I don't know if all of that know I mean I don't know if all of that has something to do with training and has something to do with training and has something to do with training and how you know giving them the ability to how you know giving them the ability to how you know giving them the ability to figure out what they want what they like figure out what they want what they like figure out what they want what they like because most of these kids even with the because most of these kids even with the because most of these kids even with the degree they just like us we had no idea degree they just like us we had no idea degree they just like us we had no idea what we really wanted to do and these what we really wanted to do and these what we really wanted to do and these kids are so much more they want an kids are so much more they want an kids are so much more they want an answer because they're they're the answer because they're they're the answer because they're they're the realtime kids they want it now they're realtime kids they want it now they're realtime kids they want it now they're immediate and I think that their mindset immediate and I think that their mindset immediate and I think that their mindset so different that they want to know so different that they want to know so different that they want to know immediately what they're going to be immediately what they're going to be immediately what they're going to be doing to make money and we didn't we doing to make money and we didn't we doing to make money and we didn't we just kind of found our path right we we just kind of found our path right we we just kind of found our path right we we were used to were used to were used to that yeah yeah I heard a interest I was that yeah yeah I heard a interest I was that yeah yeah I heard a interest I was listening to some radio program when I listening to some radio program when I listening to some radio program when I was in the car and it was talking about was in the car and it was talking about was in the car and it was talking about um how most of the AI you know the um how most of the AI you know the um how most of the AI you know the chat gbt stuff basically in the chat gbt stuff basically in the chat gbt stuff basically in the workplace is people bringing in their workplace is people bringing in their workplace is people bringing in their own AI it's not necessarily been own AI it's not necessarily been own AI it's not necessarily been provided by their employer like some provided by their employer like some provided by their employer like some high percentage of it is it's like BYO high percentage of it is it's like BYO high percentage of it is it's like BYO you know remember when we started we you know remember when we started we you know remember when we started we start bringing their own smartphones and start bringing their own smartphones and start bringing their own smartphones and all that kind of stuff and so they're all that kind of stuff and so they're all that kind of stuff and so they're bringing in their own Ai and they're bringing in their own Ai and they're bringing in their own Ai and they're using it some you know you got the using it some you know you got the using it some you know you got the employees who are kind of real Hustlers employees who are kind of real Hustlers employees who are kind of real Hustlers and they're using it you know they're and they're using it you know they're and they're using it you know they're Leading Edge and getting more done and Leading Edge and getting more done and Leading Edge and getting more done and others who are not using it at all and others who are not using it at all and others who are not using it at all and there was some question of like well why there was some question of like well why there was some question of like well why aren't the you know the companies are aren't the you know the companies are aren't the you know the companies are really thrilled about it they think really thrilled about it they think really thrilled about it they think they're they're already showing they're they're they're already showing they're they're they're already showing they're more productive and everything from the more productive and everything from the more productive and everything from the employees doing it they're like why employees doing it they're like why employees doing it they're like why aren't the companies training their aren't the companies training their aren't the companies training their employees to use this AI stuff and and employees to use this AI stuff and and employees to use this AI stuff and and the answer is the companies are as the answer is the companies are as the answer is the companies are as oblivious as anybody else they don't

oblivious as anybody else they don't oblivious as anybody else they don't even have their own expertise yet to even have their own expertise yet to even have their own expertise yet to teach their employees to do this stuff teach their employees to do this stuff teach their employees to do this stuff it's like so it's like so it's like so new same thing um it's the same thing as new same thing um it's the same thing as new same thing um it's the same thing as Shadow it people were bringing in all Shadow it people were bringing in all Shadow it people were bringing in all their own tools software docents their own tools software docents their own tools software docents that been going times that that that been going times that that that been going times that that influences their purchasing and decision influences their purchasing and decision influences their purchasing and decision making down the road but yeah remember making down the road but yeah remember making down the road but yeah remember back in the back in the 90s when you back in the back in the 90s when you back in the back in the 90s when you know we all set up web servers and know we all set up web servers and know we all set up web servers and websites for our companies that we were websites for our companies that we were websites for our companies that we were working for and uh just to kind of try working for and uh just to kind of try working for and uh just to kind of try it out right we were all doing that I it out right we were all doing that I it out right we were all doing that I did mine using os2 how about you I did mine using os2 how about you I did mine using os2 how about you I didn't use os2 didn't use os2 didn't use os2 wow yeah and then what about security wow yeah and then what about security wow yeah and then what about security Rob did they talk about security about Rob did they talk about security about Rob did they talk about security about that bringing in that bringing in that bringing in external they did not and they should external they did not and they should external they did not and they should because you know that's that's the thing because you know that's that's the thing because you know that's that's the thing there when people just give their there when people just give their there when people just give their company data to the big llm in the sky company data to the big llm in the sky company data to the big llm in the sky and then everyone else gets to and then everyone else gets to and then everyone else gets to benefit if even if it's SEC privacy you benefit if even if it's SEC privacy you benefit if even if it's SEC privacy you know yeah it's crazy stuff no doubt know yeah it's crazy stuff no doubt know yeah it's crazy stuff no doubt about it it's so I don't think it's that about it it's so I don't think it's that about it it's so I don't think it's that hard though I mean we have we have rules hard though I mean we have we have rules hard though I mean we have we have rules around what we can do with email right around what we can do with email right around what we can do with email right and and there are rules around if I and and there are rules around if I and and there are rules around if I communicate with an external person I communicate with an external person I communicate with an external person I can I some rules that I got to follow it can I some rules that I got to follow it can I some rules that I got to follow it shouldn't be hard to set some guidelines shouldn't be hard to set some guidelines shouldn't be hard to set some guidelines for if you're going to use a uh uh llm for if you're going to use a uh uh llm for if you're going to use a uh uh llm for example and you're interested in for example and you're interested in for example and you're interested in your competitors well you you do this your competitors well you you do this your competitors well you you do this this this but you cannot share this this this but you cannot share this this this but you cannot share this level of data this type of data this level of data this type of data this level of data this type of data this type of type of type of data because again if you don't if you

data because again if you don't if you data because again if you don't if you don't start there you're GNA get what don't start there you're GNA get what don't start there you're GNA get what you're talking about everybody else GNA you're talking about everybody else GNA you're talking about everybody else GNA take their data out on their own phone take their data out on their own phone take their data out on their own phone or computer and go to another llm or computer and go to another llm or computer and go to another llm externally and get the job done yeah externally and get the job done yeah externally and get the job done yeah they're not proactive they're generally they're not proactive they're generally they're not proactive they're generally reactive when something crazy happens reactive when something crazy happens reactive when something crazy happens yeah may I was at an event last night yeah may I was at an event last night yeah may I was at an event last night and somebody was telling me that their and somebody was telling me that their and somebody was telling me that their their company has locked down everything their company has locked down everything their company has locked down everything AI right so he he had he had to go to AI right so he he had he had to go to AI right so he he had he had to go to the event and in his email on his phone the event and in his email on his phone the event and in his email on his phone which was a be bring your own phone but which was a be bring your own phone but which was a be bring your own phone but the but the outad was locked down he the but the outad was locked down he the but the outad was locked down he couldn't take the address and copy it couldn't take the address and copy it couldn't take the address and copy it into his uh Google Maps because that was into his uh Google Maps because that was into his uh Google Maps because that was company uh confidential data company uh confidential data company uh confidential data it manually while he driving to get to it manually while he driving to get to it manually while he driving to get to the place which was not really safe well the place which was not really safe well the place which was not really safe well I was at RSA looking at exactly this I was at RSA looking at exactly this I was at RSA looking at exactly this stuff so number one um seos are getting stuff so number one um seos are getting stuff so number one um seos are getting really freaked really freaked really freaked out very very concerned even in use and out very very concerned even in use and out very very concerned even in use and tooling gen AI use and tooling they're tooling gen AI use and tooling they're tooling gen AI use and tooling they're afraid that if there's a an intruder afraid that if there's a an intruder afraid that if there's a an intruder that comes in let's say it's zero day that comes in let's say it's zero day that comes in let's say it's zero day you don't even know that the the you you don't even know that the the you you don't even know that the the you know intrusion has already happened a know intrusion has already happened a know intrusion has already happened a tool like this can tool like this can tool like this can accelerate their um their attack and accelerate their um their attack and accelerate their um their attack and expand it scale it out allow them to go expand it scale it out allow them to go expand it scale it out allow them to go north south as well as more north south as well as more north south as well as more frighteningly East West and if you have frighteningly East West and if you have frighteningly East West and if you have se you know micro segments set up they se you know micro segments set up they se you know micro segments set up they can just transverse all that stuff and can just transverse all that stuff and can just transverse all that stuff and and cause catastrophic damage so the

and cause catastrophic damage so the and cause catastrophic damage so the tool that you bring in to give you tool that you bring in to give you tool that you bring in to give you visibility and maybe some automation is visibility and maybe some automation is visibility and maybe some automation is exactly the same tool that they use to exactly the same tool that they use to exactly the same tool that they use to um basically scale out and accelerate um basically scale out and accelerate um basically scale out and accelerate their attack and so that was that was a their attack and so that was that was a their attack and so that was that was a very legitimate concern I think that's very legitimate concern I think that's very legitimate concern I think that's one of the reasons why there's been this one of the reasons why there's been this one of the reasons why there's been this throttling back about the use of throttling back about the use of throttling back about the use of generative AI within the network uh and generative AI within the network uh and generative AI within the network uh and and for security but also you know um and for security but also you know um and for security but also you know um you data loss protection is they're you data loss protection is they're you data loss protection is they're using that starting to use that I talked using that starting to use that I talked using that starting to use that I talked to the Cradle Point Folks at your to the Cradle Point Folks at your to the Cradle Point Folks at your favorite company Rob uh you know part of favorite company Rob uh you know part of favorite company Rob uh you know part of your favorite company and they're your favorite company and they're your favorite company and they're they're starting to do that in the sassy they're starting to do that in the sassy they're starting to do that in the sassy environments right so this whole move to environments right so this whole move to environments right so this whole move to you know work from home and the you know work from home and the you know work from home and the deployment of sassis everywhere that deployment of sassis everywhere that deployment of sassis everywhere that that's heightening um number one concern that's heightening um number one concern that's heightening um number one concern of what we're talking about right now of what we're talking about right now of what we're talking about right now but there you know the remedy the at but there you know the remedy the at but there you know the remedy the at least the the Frontline remedy uh or the least the the Frontline remedy uh or the least the the Frontline remedy uh or the first line of defense is data loss first line of defense is data loss first line of defense is data loss protection so they're trying to control protection so they're trying to control protection so they're trying to control access and increasingly you're seeing access and increasingly you're seeing access and increasingly you're seeing Enterprise do that so um yeah there's a Enterprise do that so um yeah there's a Enterprise do that so um yeah there's a real concern this stuff is like freaking real concern this stuff is like freaking real concern this stuff is like freaking I mean I don't think people understand I mean I don't think people understand I mean I don't think people understand how scary this stuff is oh my God old how scary this stuff is oh my God old how scary this stuff is oh my God old school oh my good background 22 school oh my good background 22 school oh my good background 22 minutes 22 minutes we tried to keep it minutes 22 minutes we tried to keep it minutes 22 minutes we tried to keep it really short so should we talk about the

really short so should we talk about the really short so should we talk about the origins of iot coffee talk for yes yeah origins of iot coffee talk for yes yeah origins of iot coffee talk for yes yeah why not i' like to know and I'm sure our why not i' like to know and I'm sure our why not i' like to know and I'm sure our audience oh my look at episode four audience oh my look at episode four audience oh my look at episode four who's that guy with the hair episode who's that guy with the hair episode who's that guy with the hair episode four who's that Wizard who's that four who's that Wizard who's that four who's that Wizard who's that wizard yeah they had some kind of Hoodie wizard yeah they had some kind of Hoodie wizard yeah they had some kind of Hoodie weird thing yeah yeah oh hey does weird thing yeah yeah oh hey does weird thing yeah yeah oh hey does anybody remember this guy oh yeah anybody remember this guy oh yeah anybody remember this guy oh yeah Mr I know you would have thought that Mr I know you would have thought that Mr I know you would have thought that dude would like show up on the 4th dude would like show up on the 4th dude would like show up on the 4th anniversary he's the one that thought anniversary he's the one that thought anniversary he's the one that thought that the show would die off that we were that the show would die off that we were that the show would die off that we were doing too doing too doing too and that's why this this anniversary and that's why this this anniversary and that's why this this anniversary show because that's a great point you show because that's a great point you show because that's a great point you know Rick saw after we did the first I know Rick saw after we did the first I know Rick saw after we did the first I don't know 10 20 whatever episodes years don't know 10 20 whatever episodes years don't know 10 20 whatever episodes years ago he's like well we've said all there ago he's like well we've said all there ago he's like well we've said all there is to say about covered everything let's is to say about covered everything let's is to say about covered everything let's shut it shut it shut it down no more topics no more topics you down no more topics no more topics you down no more topics no more topics you know and so uh yeah go figure know and so uh yeah go figure know and so uh yeah go figure interesting so think about this our very interesting so think about this our very interesting so think about this our very first episode was about Co yeah and we first episode was about Co yeah and we first episode was about Co yeah and we talked to about using iot and remember talked to about using iot and remember talked to about using iot and remember we' even built some stuff I remember we we' even built some stuff I remember we we' even built some stuff I remember we built some stuff for Android phones and built some stuff for Android phones and built some stuff for Android phones and Bluetooth remember the whole deal about Bluetooth remember the whole deal about Bluetooth remember the whole deal about detecting yellow zone Red Zone type of detecting yellow zone Red Zone type of detecting yellow zone Red Zone type of you know segmenting I don't think I you know segmenting I don't think I you know segmenting I don't think I joined to like episode seven or 10 or joined to like episode seven or 10 or joined to like episode seven or 10 or something like that I miss you were something like that I miss you were something like that I miss you were there there girl you were there girl there there girl you were there girl there there girl you were there girl don't give me that seven or 10 whatever

don't give me that seven or 10 whatever don't give me that seven or 10 whatever stuff I see your face on stuff I see your face on stuff I see your face on three oh okay my there go nice try nice three oh okay my there go nice try nice three oh okay my there go nice try nice I still the same that's all I know nice I still the same that's all I know nice I still the same that's all I know nice try band yeah 2020 2020 was this was try band yeah 2020 2020 was this was try band yeah 2020 2020 was this was this Co related or not I mean coming this Co related or not I mean coming this Co related or not I mean coming from some somewhere from some somewhere from some somewhere we yeah the the first episode was we yeah the the first episode was we yeah the the first episode was covid-19 we talked and the show started covid-19 we talked and the show started covid-19 we talked and the show started during covid and we were all separated during covid and we were all separated during covid and we were all separated working from home we were in weird working from home we were in weird working from home we were in weird remote places nobody got to see each remote places nobody got to see each remote places nobody got to see each other and so we were hanging out uh but other and so we were hanging out uh but other and so we were hanging out uh but we talked about Co in fact leard and I we talked about Co in fact leard and I we talked about Co in fact leard and I did some online events where we had we did some online events where we had we did some online events where we had we created full giant PowerPoint created full giant PowerPoint created full giant PowerPoint presentations on how we're going to presentations on how we're going to presentations on how we're going to use iot to help out with the co pandemic use iot to help out with the co pandemic use iot to help out with the co pandemic and you're right talk about you work and you're right talk about you work and you're right talk about you work with Bill Gates and those little uh with Bill Gates and those little uh with Bill Gates and those little uh chips and stuff yeah yeah yeah that's chips and stuff yeah yeah yeah that's chips and stuff yeah yeah yeah that's right that's right we were serious we right that's right we were serious we right that's right we were serious we were serious we had like we were talking were serious we had like we were talking were serious we had like we were talking about digital twins monitoring systems about digital twins monitoring systems about digital twins monitoring systems and people and everything I mean we're and people and everything I mean we're and people and everything I mean we're like cuz we didn't know remember at the like cuz we didn't know remember at the like cuz we didn't know remember at the beginning we're like we're all gonna die beginning we're like we're all gonna die beginning we're like we're all gonna die I don't know you know that that's I don't know you know that that's I don't know you know that that's actually the the reason why we started actually the the reason why we started actually the the reason why we started the show because we were supposed to the show because we were supposed to the show because we were supposed to meet at mwc meet at mwc meet at mwc yeah because ER started you know they yeah because ER started you know they yeah because ER started you know they started the whole you know I'm not going started the whole you know I'm not going started the whole you know I'm not going anymore yeah anymore yeah anymore yeah yeah that's why we started the show if yeah that's why we started the show if yeah that's why we started the show if people are wondering I mean that's

people are wondering I mean that's people are wondering I mean that's really of the show it's true so our really of the show it's true so our really of the show it's true so our second episode there's mark second episode there's mark second episode there's mark and we were talking about iot startups and we were talking about iot startups and we were talking about iot startups yeah which do exist anymore right you yeah which do exist anymore right you yeah which do exist anymore right you know Mark iot startups there are no iot know Mark iot startups there are no iot know Mark iot startups there are no iot startups anymore right that's that's startups anymore right that's that's startups anymore right that's that's definitely a relic yeah it's funny I do definitely a relic yeah it's funny I do definitely a relic yeah it's funny I do I still have random conversations with I still have random conversations with I still have random conversations with people who are still trying to raise people who are still trying to raise people who are still trying to raise money from DCS for iot and I'm like oh money from DCS for iot and I'm like oh money from DCS for iot and I'm like oh wow good luck good luck well it's hard wow good luck good luck well it's hard wow good luck good luck well it's hard to raise money but but for iot oh my God to raise money but but for iot oh my God to raise money but but for iot oh my God change the name right yeah change the change the name right yeah change the change the name right yeah change the name time it's due so this episode three name time it's due so this episode three name time it's due so this episode three with Bandera girl about the future of it with Bandera girl about the future of it with Bandera girl about the future of it was about smart was about smart was about smart cities you know I know we've had we've cities you know I know we've had we've cities you know I know we've had we've had a lot of talk about smart cities had a lot of talk about smart cities had a lot of talk about smart cities where's Mr smart city today where's Bill where's Mr smart city today where's Bill where's Mr smart city today where's Bill trying trying to sell actually bill is trying trying to sell actually bill is trying trying to sell actually bill is traveling make he's trying to sell smart traveling make he's trying to sell smart traveling make he's trying to sell smart St yeah St yeah St yeah present Haven City Hall yet yeah when they they're like you're yet yeah when they they're like you're gonna do this stuff for free gonna do this stuff for free gonna do this stuff for free right the Citizens need this stuff for right the Citizens need this stuff for right the Citizens need this stuff for free right right yeah that that whole free right right yeah that that whole free right right yeah that that whole deal like show me the money that's he um deal like show me the money that's he um deal like show me the money that's he um bills in Louisville Kentucky today so I bills in Louisville Kentucky today so I bills in Louisville Kentucky today so I think he's the city there to do some

think he's the city there to do some think he's the city there to do some stuff so there you go stuff so there you go stuff so there you go Bill just got has all these cities in Bill just got has all these cities in Bill just got has all these cities in the palm of his hands you know yes and the palm of his hands you know yes and the palm of his hands you know yes and he can everybody n outside of Tennessee he can everybody n outside of Tennessee he can everybody n outside of Tennessee he's got CL he's all over the place he's got CL he's all over the place he's got CL he's all over the place remember step it's Louisville and I'm like like in in in Louisville and I'm like like in in in what we have Louisville in near Dallas what we have Louisville in near Dallas what we have Louisville in near Dallas right so I always like I'm always like right so I always like I'm always like right so I always like I'm always like scared to say it because I'm like I'm scared to say it because I'm like I'm scared to say it because I'm like I'm not gonna say it wrong way just like not gonna say it wrong way just like not gonna say it wrong way just like it's noin noin then yeah I want to I want to give noin then yeah I want to I want to give credit to to Mark really quickly for credit to to Mark really quickly for credit to to Mark really quickly for being uh an originator of the show I being uh an originator of the show I being uh an originator of the show I mean it was Mark and Luke perard who who mean it was Mark and Luke perard who who mean it was Mark and Luke perard who who suggested this right the OG's yeah suggested this right the OG's yeah suggested this right the OG's yeah they're the OG yeah but then we had this they're the OG yeah but then we had this they're the OG yeah but then we had this period where Ro I mean I think it was it period where Ro I mean I think it was it period where Ro I mean I think it was it was about to die off and Rob and I were was about to die off and Rob and I were was about to die off and Rob and I were the only ones that were on we we did a the only ones that were on we we did a the only ones that were on we we did a bunch of them by ourselves yeah hey what are we gonna talk about yeah hey what are we gonna talk about let's talk about plumbers and you know let's talk about plumbers and you know let's talk about plumbers and you know overalls and yeah I just went to Costco overalls and yeah I just went to Costco overalls and yeah I just went to Costco and found this cool thing what did you and found this cool thing what did you and found this cool thing what did you do today yeah exactly it was kind of do today yeah exactly it was kind of do today yeah exactly it was kind of crazy but you know what people want to crazy but you know what people want to crazy but you know what people want to hear about what your day looks like they hear about what your day looks like they hear about what your day looks like they just they want person stuff tooy folks I

just they want person stuff tooy folks I just they want person stuff tooy folks I apologize I need to leave the part you know also before I forget I want to you know also before I forget I want to give a shout out to our good friends give a shout out to our good friends give a shout out to our good friends Charlie key and Brandon kened over at Charlie key and Brandon kened over at Charlie key and Brandon kened over at loant because they made it into the loant because they made it into the loant because they made it into the Gartner industrial magic quadrant last Gartner industrial magic quadrant last Gartner industrial magic quadrant last week so that's I saw I saw Rick jumping week so that's I saw I saw Rick jumping week so that's I saw I saw Rick jumping on that real quick he just wanted he was on that real quick he just wanted he was on that real quick he just wanted he was ready to ready to ready to bash Mr bash Mr bash Mr positive in like I got a buddy over here positive in like I got a buddy over here positive in like I got a buddy over here he been working his butt off to get on he been working his butt off to get on he been working his butt off to get on that he's on it yeah no I was I was that he's on it yeah no I was I was that he's on it yeah no I was I was talking to Charlie about it because I talking to Charlie about it because I talking to Charlie about it because I had to go through that crap had to go through that crap had to go through that crap for and it took forever and it's you're for and it took forever and it's you're for and it took forever and it's you're answering seemingly a thousand questions answering seemingly a thousand questions answering seemingly a thousand questions in the biggest Excel spreadsheet ever in the biggest Excel spreadsheet ever in the biggest Excel spreadsheet ever made yeah and then when you think and made yeah and then when you think and made yeah and then when you think and there's different rounds that you get there's different rounds that you get there's different rounds that you get through and uh I know people love to through and uh I know people love to through and uh I know people love to bash it and stuff or lots of people who bash it and stuff or lots of people who bash it and stuff or lots of people who oh it's pay to play whatever it is oh it's pay to play whatever it is oh it's pay to play whatever it is really hard because here's what the hard really hard because here's what the hard really hard because here's what the hard part is if you make it through that part is if you make it through that part is if you make it through that first round like you answer all these first round like you answer all these first round like you answer all these questions and they you know and then questions and they you know and then questions and they you know and then they actually they're looking at your they actually they're looking at your they actually they're looking at your technology but they do something even technology but they do something even technology but they do something even more horrifying they call your customers more horrifying they call your customers more horrifying they call your customers they actually found out find out if they actually found out find out if they actually found out find out if you're actually full of [ __ ] or not and you're actually full of [ __ ] or not and you're actually full of [ __ ] or not and they find out you know because there's they find out you know because there's they find out you know because there's also thresholds how many deployments do also thresholds how many deployments do also thresholds how many deployments do you have how and for iot maybe it's you have how and for iot maybe it's you have how and for iot maybe it's counting devices or whatever if you counting devices or whatever if you counting devices or whatever if you don't have lots of big deployments you don't have lots of big deployments you don't have lots of big deployments you know you can't get in there at all and know you can't get in there at all and know you can't get in there at all and so uh you know I know loan's been at

so uh you know I know loan's been at so uh you know I know loan's been at this game for many many years and uh and this game for many many years and uh and this game for many many years and uh and so you know congratulations to them I so you know congratulations to them I so you know congratulations to them I know it's real slog and it's hard to do know it's real slog and it's hard to do know it's real slog and it's hard to do that but that's uh I think of that as that but that's uh I think of that as that but that's uh I think of that as Priceless marketing actually um it's in Priceless marketing actually um it's in Priceless marketing actually um it's in the worst place of the quadrants and you the worst place of the quadrants and you the worst place of the quadrants and you think marketing anyway that's why it's think marketing anyway that's why it's think marketing anyway that's why it's such a valued thing you people just want such a valued thing you people just want such a valued thing you people just want to be on the quadrant they don't even to be on the quadrant they don't even to be on the quadrant they don't even care if you're in the bottom left corner care if you're in the bottom left corner care if you're in the bottom left corner I know what you're saying Mark Mark I I know what you're saying Mark Mark I I know what you're saying Mark Mark I know what you're saying because you're know what you're saying because you're know what you're saying because you're right A lot of people say it's worse to right A lot of people say it's worse to right A lot of people say it's worse to be in that Niche quadrant than being not be in that Niche quadrant than being not be in that Niche quadrant than being not on the paper at all and you're right on the paper at all and you're right on the paper at all and you're right there's an argument to be made on both there's an argument to be made on both there's an argument to be made on both sides at least if you're on the piece of sides at least if you're on the piece of sides at least if you're on the piece of paper people see you but the problem is paper people see you but the problem is paper people see you but the problem is this is that obviously the whole Magic this is that obviously the whole Magic this is that obviously the whole Magic quadrant or what what Forester has their quadrant or what what Forester has their quadrant or what what Forester has their wave and um who who are the other anyway wave and um who who are the other anyway wave and um who who are the other anyway everybody's got their thing um that it everybody's got their thing um that it everybody's got their thing um that it all goes back in time to people saying all goes back in time to people saying all goes back in time to people saying no one ever got fired for buying IBM and no one ever got fired for buying IBM and no one ever got fired for buying IBM and and so because of things like the magic and so because of things like the magic and so because of things like the magic quadrant people just immediately go to quadrant people just immediately go to quadrant people just immediately go to the top left quadrant who's in there I'm the top left quadrant who's in there I'm the top left quadrant who's in there I'm buying them you know and if you're not buying them you know and if you're not buying them you know and if you're not because you know what there's other because you know what there's other because you know what there's other great players who are kicking ass in great players who are kicking ass in great players who are kicking ass in industrial iot like like litmus is right industrial iot like like litmus is right industrial iot like like litmus is right is in the niche quadrant with yeah this is in the niche quadrant with yeah this is in the niche quadrant with yeah this is what we were saying at the beginning is what we were saying at the beginning is what we were saying at the beginning of the of this episode it's like it's of the of this episode it's like it's of the of this episode it's like it's like an answer of generative AI yeah so like an answer of generative AI yeah so like an answer of generative AI yeah so nobody double checks you're right you're

nobody double checks you're right you're nobody double checks you're right you're right as a Holy Grail I would that's right as a Holy Grail I would that's right as a Holy Grail I would that's [ __ ] and these these newer [ __ ] and these these newer [ __ ] and these these newer Enterprises these growing Enterprises these growing Enterprises these growing Enterprises I would have to Guess Brand Enterprises I would have to Guess Brand Enterprises I would have to Guess Brand awareness they don't even know what awareness they don't even know what awareness they don't even know what Gartner quadron is and there's people Gartner quadron is and there's people Gartner quadron is and there's people that are running those decision making that are running those decision making that are running those decision making maker you know they're on that decision maker you know they're on that decision maker you know they're on that decision maker cycle and I mean do they do they maker cycle and I mean do they do they maker cycle and I mean do they do they actually go oh you know what I'm going actually go oh you know what I'm going actually go oh you know what I'm going to look at that Gartner um cycle you to look at that Gartner um cycle you to look at that Gartner um cycle you know I'm going to go look and see who's know I'm going to go look and see who's know I'm going to go look and see who's on that cuz I'm I'm going to purchase on that cuz I'm I'm going to purchase on that cuz I'm I'm going to purchase from them um I I don't know like I don't from them um I I don't know like I don't from them um I I don't know like I don't know if we're there like we used to be know if we're there like we used to be know if we're there like we used to be I'm curious if we if if they Gartner I'm curious if we if if they Gartner I'm curious if we if if they Gartner does some kind of survey of Enterprise does some kind of survey of Enterprise does some kind of survey of Enterprise purchasing decision makers and purchasing decision makers and purchasing decision makers and influencers and ask them those kinds of influencers and ask them those kinds of influencers and ask them those kinds of questions are you aware of partner questions are you aware of partner questions are you aware of partner quadrant and you know do you use this to quadrant and you know do you use this to quadrant and you know do you use this to make your decisions is it an influence make your decisions is it an influence make your decisions is it an influence to your decision I would love to see to your decision I would love to see to your decision I would love to see that result they have a captive audience that result they have a captive audience that result they have a captive audience you know they have a lot of end users you know they have a lot of end users you know they have a lot of end users subscribers subscribers subscribers um you know they do help a lot of of the um you know they do help a lot of of the um you know they do help a lot of of the let's let's call them um tier one no let's let's call them um tier one no let's let's call them um tier one no cios who need help and it could be of cios who need help and it could be of cios who need help and it could be of any any size company even the big ones any any size company even the big ones any any size company even the big ones you know some people plopped into the you know some people plopped into the you know some people plopped into the cioo role and they might come from the cioo role and they might come from the cioo role and they might come from the infrastructure side of the house they infrastructure side of the house they infrastructure side of the house they don't know the other parts so they lean don't know the other parts so they lean don't know the other parts so they lean on on Gartner to Pro provide them on on Gartner to Pro provide them on on Gartner to Pro provide them support executive support and so you

support executive support and so you support executive support and so you know when it comes to vendor you know know when it comes to vendor you know know when it comes to vendor you know technology selection they I mean you technology selection they I mean you technology selection they I mean you know you have a seat with Gartner and know you have a seat with Gartner and know you have a seat with Gartner and you know they're going to be your go-to you know they're going to be your go-to you know they're going to be your go-to um is that super pricey I'm curious um is that super pricey I'm curious um is that super pricey I'm curious because it is it is I'm I'm a license because it is it is I'm I'm a license because it is it is I'm I'm a license holder for one of my clients as the holder for one of my clients as the holder for one of my clients as the director of marketing for them and it is director of marketing for them and it is director of marketing for them and it is still very very pricey and if you don't still very very pricey and if you don't still very very pricey and if you don't and Rob like you said if you don't have and Rob like you said if you don't have and Rob like you said if you don't have experience having dealt with them and experience having dealt with them and experience having dealt with them and analysts and their program and the analysts and their program and the analysts and their program and the research and getting to that magic research and getting to that magic research and getting to that magic quadrant entry point as a client you quadrant entry point as a client you quadrant entry point as a client you you're screwed you'll never it is very you're screwed you'll never it is very you're screwed you'll never it is very very difficult to get through the very difficult to get through the very difficult to get through the process and I try to tell them that you process and I try to tell them that you process and I try to tell them that you know guys you can spend know guys you can spend know guys you can spend the60 $70,000 to do that but you know the60 $70,000 to do that but you know the60 $70,000 to do that but you know you're still looking at the idea of the you're still looking at the idea of the you're still looking at the idea of the time energy and effort equals what time energy and effort equals what time energy and effort equals what Revenue you're looking at trying to get Revenue you're looking at trying to get Revenue you're looking at trying to get Reven are you trying to figure out Reven are you trying to figure out Reven are you trying to figure out awareness yeah exactly what's a return awareness yeah exactly what's a return awareness yeah exactly what's a return of investment what do you think it's a of investment what do you think it's a of investment what do you think it's a return of return of return of investment how much I think the total investment how much I think the total investment how much I think the total investment is so investment is so investment is so [Music] [Music] [Music] far return enough investment oh it's um far return enough investment oh it's um far return enough investment oh it's um for for these guys it's very very little for for these guys it's very very little for for these guys it's very very little they're trying to get competitive they're trying to get competitive they're trying to get competitive analysis information they're trying to analysis information they're trying to analysis information they're trying to figure out where they stand in the figure out where they stand in the figure out where they stand in the market over with their RO with their market over with their RO with their market over with their RO with their road map and they're trying to get the road map and they're trying to get the road map and they're trying to get the analyst to help them get into more analyst to help them get into more analyst to help them get into more opportunities and so the return is the opportunities and so the return is the opportunities and so the return is the ROI is horrible absolutely horrible and

ROI is horrible absolutely horrible and ROI is horrible absolutely horrible and and the companies that are on the magic and the companies that are on the magic and the companies that are on the magic quadrant what do you think it's a return quadrant what do you think it's a return quadrant what do you think it's a return of investment um better because if uh if of investment um better because if uh if of investment um better because if uh if I know Charlie as well as as Rob does I know Charlie as well as as Rob does I know Charlie as well as as Rob does his his Marketing Group is going to take his his Marketing Group is going to take his his Marketing Group is going to take it and run with it and I'd say if once it and run with it and I'd say if once it and run with it and I'd say if once you make that if you're not if you're you make that if you're not if you're you make that if you're not if you're not pushing that out through every not pushing that out through every not pushing that out through every marketing channel you have and have marketing channel you have and have marketing channel you have and have campaigns that are on going then you've campaigns that are on going then you've campaigns that are on going then you've lost that momentum got to go out and you lost that momentum got to go out and you lost that momentum got to go out and you have to do it fast have to do it fast have to do it fast yeah Now's the Time for losant to Double yeah Now's the Time for losant to Double yeah Now's the Time for losant to Double Down quadruple down on Down quadruple down on Down quadruple down on that it's fresh they probably should use that it's fresh they probably should use that it's fresh they probably should use vmar you know just to assist them ah you vmar you know just to assist them ah you vmar you know just to assist them ah you know there's so much brain power in this know there's so much brain power in this know there's so much brain power in this group here and you're right vmar a great group here and you're right vmar a great group here and you're right vmar a great marketing firm because you know what marketing firm because you know what marketing firm because you know what every Everybody Needs marketing you know every Everybody Needs marketing you know every Everybody Needs marketing you know that first step awareness a lot of that first step awareness a lot of that first step awareness a lot of people still screw that up don't they people still screw that up don't they people still screw that up don't they you know yeah it's unfortunate yeah the you know yeah it's unfortunate yeah the you know yeah it's unfortunate yeah the sad thing is that most these especially sad thing is that most these especially sad thing is that most these especially these smaller businesses they think just these smaller businesses they think just these smaller businesses they think just having a logo that's branding just it's having a logo that's branding just it's having a logo that's branding just it's having a logo putting out a web page having a logo putting out a web page having a logo putting out a web page you're in a Millions there's so many you're in a Millions there's so many you're in a Millions there's so many players so you know here's the players so you know here's the players so you know here's the interesting thing when I think about interesting thing when I think about interesting thing when I think about Gartner and obviously Leonard knows more Gartner and obviously Leonard knows more Gartner and obviously Leonard knows more about this than anybody because you work about this than anybody because you work about this than anybody because you work there what a lot of people don't realize there what a lot of people don't realize there what a lot of people don't realize is Gartner is actually a large is Gartner is actually a large is Gartner is actually a large consulting firm and the the whole deal consulting firm and the the whole deal consulting firm and the the whole deal about research analysts and the magic about research analysts and the magic about research analysts and the magic quadrant is like a tiny part right you quadrant is like a tiny part right you quadrant is like a tiny part right you know what it is let's say it it's lead know what it is let's say it it's lead know what it is let's say it it's lead gen for the consulting firm is what it gen for the consulting firm is what it gen for the consulting firm is what it really is and so I do know lots of

really is and so I do know lots of really is and so I do know lots of people who have their startup and people who have their startup and people who have their startup and they're getting so excited because they're getting so excited because they're getting so excited because someone from Gardner contacts them and someone from Gardner contacts them and someone from Gardner contacts them and the startup company guy the CEO whoever the startup company guy the CEO whoever the startup company guy the CEO whoever it is like yeah we're want to get the it is like yeah we're want to get the it is like yeah we're want to get the magic quadrant or cool vendor and all magic quadrant or cool vendor and all magic quadrant or cool vendor and all that stuff and you know what I I because that stuff and you know what I I because that stuff and you know what I I because I'll be there with them and guess what I'll be there with them and guess what I'll be there with them and guess what the Gartner person's saying yeah yeah the Gartner person's saying yeah yeah the Gartner person's saying yeah yeah yeah whatever what we really want is you yeah whatever what we really want is you yeah whatever what we really want is you to start paying us all this money and to start paying us all this money and to start paying us all this money and sign up for this deal we're going to sign up for this deal we're going to sign up for this deal we're going to help you and we're going to do a bunch help you and we're going to do a bunch help you and we're going to do a bunch of Consulting and a bunch of other [ __ ] of Consulting and a bunch of other [ __ ] of Consulting and a bunch of other [ __ ] so make no mistake about Garner it is a so make no mistake about Garner it is a so make no mistake about Garner it is a giant really big consulting firm that giant really big consulting firm that giant really big consulting firm that that pretends to be an analyst firm I'm that pretends to be an analyst firm I'm that pretends to be an analyst firm I'm waiting for Leonard to resp waiting for waiting for Leonard to resp waiting for waiting for Leonard to resp waiting for Leonard to respond to this one Hall is Leonard to respond to this one Hall is Leonard to respond to this one Hall is from Mackenzie he's not I mean you know from Mackenzie he's not I mean you know from Mackenzie he's not I mean you know their executive program is becoming a their executive program is becoming a their executive program is becoming a bigger thing they started that when I bigger thing they started that when I bigger thing they started that when I was there or at least start ramping it was there or at least start ramping it was there or at least start ramping it up and you know they're they're trying up and you know they're they're trying up and you know they're they're trying to do uh basically McKenzie in a box you to do uh basically McKenzie in a box you to do uh basically McKenzie in a box you know um so yeah it's really but but know um so yeah it's really but but know um so yeah it's really but but Leonard is it listen I'd much ra for Leonard is it listen I'd much ra for Leonard is it listen I'd much ra for Value purposes I'd much rather do a next Value purposes I'd much rather do a next Value purposes I'd much rather do a next curve or a mat at transforma and see curve or a mat at transforma and see curve or a mat at transforma and see that kind of results versus what I don't that kind of results versus what I don't that kind of results versus what I don't think we can get from a Gardner on a think we can get from a Gardner on a think we can get from a Gardner on a regular why do you think I'm next curve regular why do you think I'm next curve regular why do you think I'm next curve I understand I I'm I'm pitch I'm I understand I I'm I'm pitch I'm I understand I I'm I'm pitch I'm pitching I'm pitching you at the same pitching I'm pitching you at the same pitching I'm pitching you at the same time I'm praising I do stuff I guarantee time I'm praising I do stuff I guarantee time I'm praising I do stuff I guarantee you that none of these big firms can do you that none of these big firms can do you that none of these big firms can do so exactly and you know what I would add so exactly and you know what I would add so exactly and you know what I would add to that that Compass you know we've had to that that Compass you know we've had to that that Compass you know we've had our Awards program for 10 plus years

our Awards program for 10 plus years our Awards program for 10 plus years back when it was MTM and you can bet back when it was MTM and you can bet back when it was MTM and you can bet your ass th those customers that come in your ass th those customers that come in your ass th those customers that come in on that list they end up figuring out on that list they end up figuring out on that list they end up figuring out who we are and they're they start who we are and they're they start who we are and they're they start learning about what we do and I do a lot learning about what we do and I do a lot learning about what we do and I do a lot of projects with those guys that I had of projects with those guys that I had of projects with those guys that I had never even knew who we were before so never even knew who we were before so never even knew who we were before so it's it's part of the um it's part of it's it's part of the um it's part of it's it's part of the um it's part of our own brand awareness and getting our our own brand awareness and getting our our own brand awareness and getting our name out there and and um but yeah it's name out there and and um but yeah it's name out there and and um but yeah it's lead genin as well for for us so it's if lead genin as well for for us so it's if lead genin as well for for us so it's if you can get smart about that you know you can get smart about that you know you can get smart about that you know use it yeah yeah look who dominated the use it yeah yeah look who dominated the use it yeah yeah look who dominated the early days of iot coffee talk early days of iot coffee talk early days of iot coffee talk H how does it pick up why would it H how does it pick up why would it H how does it pick up why would it default to my picture on all those default to my picture on all those default to my picture on all those that's just no well you know YouTube that's just no well you know YouTube that's just no well you know YouTube YouTube thought the algorithm thought YouTube thought the algorithm thought YouTube thought the algorithm thought that the rest of us were ugly so that the rest of us were ugly so that the rest of us were ugly so they let's just they let's just they let's just they were right yeah but you're right they were right yeah but you're right they were right yeah but you're right those early episodes too the the photos those early episodes too the the photos those early episodes too the the photos that were going on from the LinkedIn that were going on from the LinkedIn that were going on from the LinkedIn deal we weren't doing gallery view deal we weren't doing gallery view deal we weren't doing gallery view remember it was just time it always remember it was just time it always remember it was just time it always picked Stephanie it always picked Steph picked Stephanie it always picked Steph picked Stephanie it always picked Steph that's hilarious like oh my God here that's hilarious like oh my God here that's hilarious like oh my God here some we got to mix it up a little bit some we got to mix it up a little bit some we got to mix it up a little bit can we get another face on there please can we get another face on there please can we get another face on there please yeah hey but I have a qu you know by the yeah hey but I have a qu you know by the yeah hey but I have a qu you know by the way uh damn you Yen for starting off the way uh damn you Yen for starting off the way uh damn you Yen for starting off the convers ation with freaking gen AI come convers ation with freaking gen AI come convers ation with freaking gen AI come on I mean it's like you desecrated our on I mean it's like you desecrated our on I mean it's like you desecrated our fourth anniversary Episode by doing

fourth anniversary Episode by doing fourth anniversary Episode by doing that like you're that like you're that like you're tainting yeah man but you know what I tainting yeah man but you know what I tainting yeah man but you know what I wanted to ask you because you're like wanted to ask you because you're like wanted to ask you because you're like one of our newer guys uh on the iot one of our newer guys uh on the iot one of our newer guys uh on the iot coffee talk crew coffee talk crew coffee talk crew man give us a sense of when you started man give us a sense of when you started man give us a sense of when you started plugging in and figuring out how plugging in and figuring out how plugging in and figuring out how ridiculous we ridiculous we ridiculous we were H yeah were H yeah were H yeah so first of all the when I had the so first of all the when I had the so first of all the when I had the question about uh how you started out question about uh how you started out question about uh how you started out remember we started out in uh in U um uh remember we started out in uh in U um uh remember we started out in uh in U um uh clubhouse Clubhouse exactly we kind up clubhouse Clubhouse exactly we kind up clubhouse Clubhouse exactly we kind up there and so we had we had Rob on a there and so we had we had Rob on a there and so we had we had Rob on a couple of times talking about digital couple of times talking about digital couple of times talking about digital twin that's where the whole thing about twin that's where the whole thing about twin that's where the whole thing about digital twin for ATT tracking people in digital twin for ATT tracking people in digital twin for ATT tracking people in hospitals we had all kinds of hospitals we had all kinds of hospitals we had all kinds of interesting interesting interesting conversation um and then we had I think conversation um and then we had I think conversation um and then we had I think we had a a joint uh we had a a joint uh we had a a joint uh uh live stream with you Leonard that was uh live stream with you Leonard that was uh live stream with you Leonard that was pretty good and uh yeah pretty good and uh yeah pretty good and uh yeah exactly exactly oh my God I think we had exactly exactly oh my God I think we had exactly exactly oh my God I think we had one another one too with uh with Ira as one another one too with uh with Ira as one another one too with uh with Ira as well well well and so yeah and then I started listening and so yeah and then I started listening and so yeah and then I started listening to you guys and found you pretty funny to you guys and found you pretty funny to you guys and found you pretty funny so uh that's foring me so uh that's foring me so uh that's foring me thanks no no value no value but funny no thanks no no value no value but funny no thanks no no value no value but funny no funny informative but but it's no funny informative but but it's no funny informative but but it's no informative in a funny way informative in a funny way informative in a funny way yeah that's you know that you're right yeah that's you know that you're right yeah that's you know that you're right you know that when we think about the you know that when we think about the you know that when we think about the dark days of Co which was kind of how we dark days of Co which was kind of how we dark days of Co which was kind of how we got started but Clubhouse got that's

got started but Clubhouse got that's got started but Clubhouse got that's that launched Clubhouse into the that launched Clubhouse into the that launched Clubhouse into the stratosphere because all of a sudden it stratosphere because all of a sudden it stratosphere because all of a sudden it was a new way to communicate with people was a new way to communicate with people was a new way to communicate with people um in real time and it was new it was um in real time and it was new it was um in real time and it was new it was different and and it had a lot of different and and it had a lot of different and and it had a lot of success early success early success early on they actually they actually benefited on they actually they actually benefited on they actually they actually benefited a lot from the the way they built the a lot from the the way they built the a lot from the the way they built the app because it wasn't like here you can app because it wasn't like here you can app because it wasn't like here you can with without coffee talk I'm going and with without coffee talk I'm going and with without coffee talk I'm going and look at it YouTube later and when they look at it YouTube later and when they look at it YouTube later and when they originally started if you missed out originally started if you missed out originally started if you missed out you're out sorry you were out I mean if you're out sorry you were out I mean if you're out sorry you were out I mean if you didn't realize that uh that Rob and you didn't realize that uh that Rob and you didn't realize that uh that Rob and uh Leonard was on talking about whatever uh Leonard was on talking about whatever uh Leonard was on talking about whatever right you missed out you you just gonna right you missed out you you just gonna right you missed out you you just gonna not yeah I think the one way they got not yeah I think the one way they got not yeah I think the one way they got they did their best to get around that they did their best to get around that they did their best to get around that was if you were a follower or a friend was if you were a follower or a friend was if you were a follower or a friend whatever they called it on there then it whatever they called it on there then it whatever they called it on there then it would give you a notification that hey would give you a notification that hey would give you a notification that hey Rob's about to speak just join this Rob's about to speak just join this Rob's about to speak just join this session or whatever exactly exactly I session or whatever exactly exactly I session or whatever exactly exactly I was so I was so excited about clubhouse was so I was so excited about clubhouse was so I was so excited about clubhouse that I remember it's like hey lard let's that I remember it's like hey lard let's that I remember it's like hey lard let's do a simal cast recording this I do a simal cast recording this I do a simal cast recording this I remember that which episode is that dis remember that which episode is that dis remember that which episode is that dis had our smartphones sitting in front of had our smartphones sitting in front of had our smartphones sitting in front of us each one of us in Clubhouse Live us each one of us in Clubhouse Live us each one of us in Clubhouse Live While We're recording here so ghetto While We're recording here so ghetto While We're recording here so ghetto didn't you get ding for that didn't you didn't you get ding for that didn't you didn't you get ding for that didn't you get ding for that I remember Clubhouse get ding for that I remember Clubhouse get ding for that I remember Clubhouse was dinging people for recording it we wanted tried to find the back way to we wanted tried to find the back way to do that and it was not cute because I'm do that and it was not cute because I'm do that and it was not cute because I'm such a I'm such a pseudo gorilla such a I'm such a pseudo gorilla such a I'm such a pseudo gorilla marketer you know just trying to be like

marketer you know just trying to be like marketer you know just trying to be like Stephanie and I was just like we need to Stephanie and I was just like we need to Stephanie and I was just like we need to get our broadcast in as many channels as get our broadcast in as many channels as get our broadcast in as many channels as possible and Clubhouse was hot and and I possible and Clubhouse was hot and and I possible and Clubhouse was hot and and I thought let's what we can do while we're thought let's what we can do while we're thought let's what we can do while we're doing our YouTube and live we could doing our YouTube and live we could doing our YouTube and live we could stream there it was um was it Twitter is stream there it was um was it Twitter is stream there it was um was it Twitter is it Twitter it's called spaces yeah they it Twitter it's called spaces yeah they it Twitter it's called spaces yeah they try to they try to I mean I don't know try to they try to I mean I don't know try to they try to I mean I don't know do any of you guys use that or see is it do any of you guys use that or see is it do any of you guys use that or see is it still working or functioning it's still still working or functioning it's still still working or functioning it's still working I oh I I look in there and it's working I oh I I look in there and it's working I oh I I look in there and it's either Elon talking about something or either Elon talking about something or either Elon talking about something or Robert scobble or somebody you know Robert scobble or somebody you know Robert scobble or somebody you know talking about whatever you know all that talking about whatever you know all that talking about whatever you know all that stuff just got really Jerry stuff just got really Jerry stuff just got really Jerry Springer really Springer really Springer really Qui Qui Qui chairs chairs chairs say you know iot iot coffee Coffee Talk say you know iot iot coffee Coffee Talk say you know iot iot coffee Coffee Talk on clubhouses got 220 on clubhouses got 220 on clubhouses got 220 members whoa really way back when yeah members whoa really way back when yeah members whoa really way back when yeah whoa 20 members do we need to revive it whoa 20 members do we need to revive it whoa 20 members do we need to revive it but there's no chats here but there's no chats here but there's no chats here anymore that anymore that anymore that would to revive a little bit reved it would to revive a little bit reved it would to revive a little bit reved it then nobody came I don't know yeah then nobody came I don't know yeah then nobody came I don't know yeah remember try to revive it I I I've had remember try to revive it I I I've had remember try to revive it I I I've had no com no notifications and then no com no notifications and then no com no notifications and then suddenly like a week ago they started to suddenly like a week ago they started to suddenly like a week ago they started to come up and notifications again come up and notifications again come up and notifications again Clubhouse I guess they're trying to do Clubhouse I guess they're trying to do Clubhouse I guess they're trying to do something that's also where I met Ryan something that's also where I met Ryan something that's also where I met Ryan T Clubhouse that's where I met him yes T Clubhouse that's where I met him yes T Clubhouse that's where I met him yes very active and he is on like I still

very active and he is on like I still very active and he is on like I still get get get notifications that he's on a bunch of notifications that he's on a bunch of notifications that he's on a bunch of Stu I'm like is it really him like is it Stu I'm like is it really him like is it Stu I'm like is it really him like is it it's so frequent I'm like is that really it's so frequent I'm like is that really it's so frequent I'm like is that really him that's his platform that's his him that's his platform that's his him that's his platform that's his platform he he has a lot of uh uh platform he he has a lot of uh uh platform he he has a lot of uh uh conversations on all kinds of topics on conversations on all kinds of topics on conversations on all kinds of topics on on CL house yeah you know it's weird so on CL house yeah you know it's weird so on CL house yeah you know it's weird so like if I go back in time like four like if I go back in time like four like if I go back in time like four years ago and so years ago and so years ago and so letter what letter what letter what H anyway what happened we had a frozen H anyway what happened we had a frozen H anyway what happened we had a frozen voice so uh Leonard what's rule number voice so uh Leonard what's rule number voice so uh Leonard what's rule number one of iot coffee talk don't talk about one of iot coffee talk don't talk about one of iot coffee talk don't talk about iot there is no iot respect you can be iot there is no iot respect you can be iot there is no iot respect you can be critical criterian but try to be civil critical criterian but try to be civil critical criterian but try to be civil and and constructive we encourage debate and and constructive we encourage debate and and constructive we encourage debate but not disrespect we highly encourage but not disrespect we highly encourage but not disrespect we highly encourage sarcastic humor followed up with sarcastic humor followed up with sarcastic humor followed up with mindblowing mindblowing mindblowing Insight who wrote that mind blowing I Insight who wrote that mind blowing I Insight who wrote that mind blowing I guarantee you did that's all you Leonard guarantee you did that's all you Leonard guarantee you did that's all you Leonard that is all you and you know what Leonard remember you and you know what Leonard remember when we found out that we I guess Rob when we found out that we I guess Rob when we found out that we I guess Rob did a really good job at putting us did a really good job at putting us did a really good job at putting us across all these you know broadcasting across all these you know broadcasting across all these you know broadcasting us across all these podcasts but us across all these podcasts but us across all these podcasts but remember when we found out that we were remember when we found out that we were remember when we found out that we were rated like X on all our rating is rated RX actually I'm gonna take that's my RX actually I'm gonna take that's my fault and and we're still are today so

fault and and we're still are today so fault and and we're still are today so no no whenever whenever we upload do the no no whenever whenever we upload do the no no whenever whenever we upload do the podcast version of it each week I have podcast version of it each week I have podcast version of it each week I have to check something to say is there any to check something to say is there any to check something to say is there any explicit language or anything and I explicit language or anything and I explicit language or anything and I check it every time because invariably check it every time because invariably check it every time because invariably some gonna say [ __ ] or [ __ ] or never some gonna say [ __ ] or [ __ ] or never some gonna say [ __ ] or [ __ ] or never mind anyway and so yeah and so you know anyway and so yeah and so you know definitely say we we definitely say full definitely say we we definitely say full definitely say we we definitely say full of [ __ ] a lot we do we do yeah of [ __ ] a lot we do we do yeah of [ __ ] a lot we do we do yeah absolutely but you know just like absolutely but you know just like absolutely but you know just like marijuana is no longer I think you know marijuana is no longer I think you know marijuana is no longer I think you know it's no longer classified as a it's no longer classified as a it's no longer classified as a whatever drug uh [ __ ] should you know whatever drug uh [ __ ] should you know whatever drug uh [ __ ] should you know just be come part of the regular deified just be come part of the regular deified just be come part of the regular deified H yeah that's a professional term right H yeah that's a professional term right H yeah that's a professional term right it's a professional it's a professional it's a professional term and just and just so you know where term and just and just so you know where term and just and just so you know where we fit we have 220 followers on we fit we have 220 followers on we fit we have 220 followers on clubhouse guess how much Ryan has clubhouse guess how much Ryan has clubhouse guess how much Ryan has oh, oh, oh, 8,000 okay I was way ahead W good for 8,000 okay I was way ahead W good for 8,000 okay I was way ahead W good for him 88000 thing yeah he the real him 88000 thing yeah he the real him 88000 thing yeah he the real influencer he is by the way off topic influencer he is by the way off topic influencer he is by the way off topic look at this Rob look what um look at this Rob look what um look at this Rob look what um Arduino gave me on eded wall so this is Arduino gave me on eded wall so this is Arduino gave me on eded wall so this is the latest the latest the latest Arduino Cher wow oh my God small I love Arduino Cher wow oh my God small I love Arduino Cher wow oh my God small I love it so it so it so small so is that you block WiFi

small so is that you block WiFi small so is that you block WiFi Bluetooth yeah this this one actually Bluetooth yeah this this one actually Bluetooth yeah this this one actually brings the Raspberry Pi 2040 chip inside brings the Raspberry Pi 2040 chip inside brings the Raspberry Pi 2040 chip inside it with W core arm cortex it with W core arm cortex it with W core arm cortex m0 it's pretty amazing nice toy m0 it's pretty amazing nice toy m0 it's pretty amazing nice toy yeah that's pretty cool how we changed yeah that's pretty cool how we changed yeah that's pretty cool how we changed the Arduino right from the that was the Arduino right from the that was the Arduino right from the that was completely got have a just look at yeah completely got have a just look at yeah completely got have a just look at yeah I had I had coffee with Marcelo last I had I had coffee with Marcelo last I had I had coffee with Marcelo last week in over in Woodenville and we were week in over in Woodenville and we were week in over in Woodenville and we were chatting about his new role over there chatting about his new role over there chatting about his new role over there at our Joo it's pretty exciting and we at our Joo it's pretty exciting and we at our Joo it's pretty exciting and we were talking about the announcement they were talking about the announcement they were talking about the announcement they were about to make the very next day were about to make the very next day were about to make the very next day with Blues Wireless you know getting with Blues Wireless you know getting with Blues Wireless you know getting their their small PC PLC and blues their their small PC PLC and blues their their small PC PLC and blues connected so uh pretty interesting stuff connected so uh pretty interesting stuff connected so uh pretty interesting stuff I think they're making some good I think they're making some good I think they're making some good progress at progress at progress at Arduino um in fact he said he's leaving Arduino um in fact he said he's leaving Arduino um in fact he said he's leaving he's leaving the northwest he's moving he's leaving the northwest he's moving he's leaving the northwest he's moving back to back to back to Italy um oh nice oh yeah everybody's Italy um oh nice oh yeah everybody's Italy um oh nice oh yeah everybody's leaving the northwest oh leaving the northwest oh leaving the northwest oh wow yeah yeah he's a cool guy man yeah I wow yeah yeah he's a cool guy man yeah I wow yeah yeah he's a cool guy man yeah I love that absolutely love that absolutely love that absolutely absolutely stuff yeah everybody's absolutely stuff yeah everybody's absolutely stuff yeah everybody's leaving the northwest do I need to put leaving the northwest do I need to put leaving the northwest do I need to put my house on the market Stephanie and my house on the market Stephanie and my house on the market Stephanie and just I would just saying that just to just I would just saying that just to just I would just saying that just to see what you because you need to move see what you because you need to move see what you because you need to move back to Texas yeah but there was one back to Texas yeah but there was one back to Texas yeah but there was one episode where you explained that the the episode where you explained that the the episode where you explained that the the place where you leave was one of these place where you leave was one of these place where you leave was one of these reservoirs no for humans in the future yes it's what uh you're right

future yes it's what uh you're right there was a guy who wrote a book called there was a guy who wrote a book called there was a guy who wrote a book called Lifeboat regions yeah he talked about Lifeboat regions yeah he talked about Lifeboat regions yeah he talked about cooler cooler cooler damper places that there'll be a handful damper places that there'll be a handful damper places that there'll be a handful of places around the planet that people of places around the planet that people of places around the planet that people will all go to um as things just keep will all go to um as things just keep will all go to um as things just keep getting hotter and hotter um yeah that's getting hotter and hotter um yeah that's getting hotter and hotter um yeah that's a good point and so uh there I was this a good point and so uh there I was this a good point and so uh there I was this I was in Phoenix area and you know it it I was in Phoenix area and you know it it I was in Phoenix area and you know it it was getting a little warm already and was getting a little warm already and was getting a little warm already and it's not a lot of water uh I noticed it's not a lot of water uh I noticed it's not a lot of water uh I noticed Texas has gotten a lot hotter um and and Texas has gotten a lot hotter um and and Texas has gotten a lot hotter um and and then part of Texas like you know then part of Texas like you know then part of Texas like you know Southeast Texas and other stuff has this Southeast Texas and other stuff has this Southeast Texas and other stuff has this other negative attribute called other negative attribute called other negative attribute called humidity um which Mr bumer knows all humidity um which Mr bumer knows all humidity um which Mr bumer knows all about in about in about in [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] Flor there's that you humidity sucks it Flor there's that you humidity sucks it Flor there's that you humidity sucks it makes it worse you know I know they makes it worse you know I know they makes it worse you know I know they write jokes about oh Arizona it's a dry write jokes about oh Arizona it's a dry write jokes about oh Arizona it's a dry heat but it's still 120 degrees but if heat but it's still 120 degrees but if heat but it's still 120 degrees but if you go in the shade in Arizona the you go in the shade in Arizona the you go in the shade in Arizona the temperature drops dramatically if you're temperature drops dramatically if you're temperature drops dramatically if you're in Houston and you go in the shade in Houston and you go in the shade in Houston and you go in the shade there's no CH nothing happens nothing there's no CH nothing happens nothing there's no CH nothing happens nothing happens and you're still soaking wet but happens and you're still soaking wet but happens and you're still soaking wet but we all want to live in Florida and we we all want to live in Florida and we we all want to live in Florida and we want to move in Barrow Beach with you want to move in Barrow Beach with you want to move in Barrow Beach with you bro um just I can sit back and watch bro um just I can sit back and watch bro um just I can sit back and watch them shovel and dump more sand on the them shovel and dump more sand on the them shovel and dump more sand on the beach to create the reason that your is beach to create the reason that your is beach to create the reason that your is not not not going all I can say is thank you going all I can say is thank you going all I can say is thank you taxpayers thank you

taxpayers thank you taxpayers thank you taxpayers that's it the illusion okay everything in Florida is illusion okay everything in Florida is an illusion yeah yes and we can ad dict an illusion yeah yes and we can ad dict an illusion yeah yes and we can ad dict that you know um you know and you would that you know um you know and you would that you know um you know and you would be and you for one would be very welcome be and you for one would be very welcome be and you for one would be very welcome in Florida I love Florida and as my in Florida I love Florida and as my in Florida I love Florida and as my favorite bumper sticker I saw and I've favorite bumper sticker I saw and I've favorite bumper sticker I saw and I've shown it to Steve before when I was in shown it to Steve before when I was in shown it to Steve before when I was in Key West or some store and it was just Key West or some store and it was just Key West or some store and it was just called make America Florida Florida Mark spacial Florida Mark spacial expr and I dig that I I'm probably I'll expr and I dig that I I'm probably I'll expr and I dig that I I'm probably I'll probably get shot through the window by probably get shot through the window by probably get shot through the window by a driveby here in the Pacific West when a driveby here in the Pacific West when a driveby here in the Pacific West when I say I love Florida y'all I love it I say I love Florida y'all I love it I say I love Florida y'all I love it love it love love it love love it love Florida yeah I love Florida be Florida yeah I love Florida be Florida yeah I love Florida be protesting in front of your house protesting in front of your house protesting in front of your house exactly exactly you know yes you're exactly exactly you know yes you're exactly exactly you know yes you're right um you know the negative thing right um you know the negative thing right um you know the negative thing about Florida and you know all about about Florida and you know all about about Florida and you know all about this Mr Brer because you live it has to this Mr Brer because you live it has to this Mr Brer because you live it has to do with homeowners insurance it is it is do with homeowners insurance it is it is do with homeowners insurance it is it is that's the that's the one strike what's that's the that's the one strike what's that's the that's the one strike what's the deal what's um it is do they have the deal what's um it is do they have the deal what's um it is do they have state taxes no okay that's state taxes no okay that's state taxes no okay that's good um the litigation is so expensive good um the litigation is so expensive good um the litigation is so expensive uh in the State of Florida and it's uh in the State of Florida and it's uh in the State of Florida and it's causing the rates there it's not causing the rates there it's not causing the rates there it's not necessarily the Hurricanes it is the necessarily the Hurricanes it is the necessarily the Hurricanes it is the insurance companies are getting sued insurance companies are getting sued insurance companies are getting sued every freaking day by everybody known to every freaking day by everybody known to every freaking day by everybody known to mankind on their homeowners insurance mankind on their homeowners insurance mankind on their homeowners insurance because you know I gave you a I gave you

because you know I gave you a I gave you because you know I gave you a I gave you a check for this amount but the building a check for this amount but the building a check for this amount but the building costs of this amount and so they're costs of this amount and so they're costs of this amount and so they're suing for that Gap and the litigation is suing for that Gap and the litigation is suing for that Gap and the litigation is through the roof but it'll continue it's through the roof but it'll continue it's through the roof but it'll continue it's it's just stupid but remember you don't it's just stupid but remember you don't it's just stupid but remember you don't need it if you have no mortgage right so need it if you have no mortgage right so need it if you have no mortgage right so if you own your home outright you don't if you own your home outright you don't if you own your home outright you don't need homeowners insurance nice Florida need homeowners insurance nice Florida need homeowners insurance nice Florida so as long as you have enough money to so as long as you have enough money to so as long as you have enough money to rebuild you know that's Florida isn't rebuild you know that's Florida isn't rebuild you know that's Florida isn't there like a state run Insurance of Last there like a state run Insurance of Last there like a state run Insurance of Last Resort or something it's the it's the Resort or something it's the it's the Resort or something it's the it's the biggest one in the state because we just biggest one in the state because we just biggest one in the state because we just lost another 12 insurance companies in lost another 12 insurance companies in lost another 12 insurance companies in the State of Florida so I mean they're the State of Florida so I mean they're the State of Florida so I mean they're bailing like just tomorrow so it's it's bailing like just tomorrow so it's it's bailing like just tomorrow so it's it's I mean and it's so screwed because I got I mean and it's so screwed because I got I mean and it's so screwed because I got cancelled in October for my January cancelled in October for my January cancelled in October for my January renewal and then all of a sudden renewal and then all of a sudden renewal and then all of a sudden December 15 after my broker found me a December 15 after my broker found me a December 15 after my broker found me a new policy they they they basically said new policy they they they basically said new policy they they they basically said Oh no you're not cancelled we're going Oh no you're not cancelled we're going Oh no you're not cancelled we're going to just increase your insurance and you to just increase your insurance and you to just increase your insurance and you sit there and go okay well do I stay sit there and go okay well do I stay sit there and go okay well do I stay with the same one but it's a racket it's with the same one but it's a racket it's with the same one but it's a racket it's an absolute fraking racket uh the santis an absolute fraking racket uh the santis an absolute fraking racket uh the santis has tried to do a job of legislation but has tried to do a job of legislation but has tried to do a job of legislation but it's just a it's a bad political topic it's just a it's a bad political topic it's just a it's a bad political topic yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah about this nobody wants to assume it if about this nobody wants to assume it if about this nobody wants to assume it if especially if it it's nasty risk especially if it it's nasty risk especially if it it's nasty risk everybody's high risk well I mean the everybody's high risk well I mean the everybody's high risk well I mean the more and more people that come to live more and more people that come to live more and more people that come to live there the more effect because I mean the there the more effect because I mean the there the more effect because I mean the hurricane is inevitable right no matter hurricane is inevitable right no matter hurricane is inevitable right no matter what the hell we do it's coming there's what the hell we do it's coming there's what the hell we do it's coming there's nothing you can do to stop it right so nothing you can do to stop it right so nothing you can do to stop it right so you just sit there and go okay well with you just sit there and go okay well with you just sit there and go okay well with another half a million people coming

another half a million people coming another half a million people coming into the state what happens like the guy into the state what happens like the guy into the state what happens like the guy I had work done in my cage above the I had work done in my cage above the I had work done in my cage above the pool the guy goes listen I said what pool the guy goes listen I said what pool the guy goes listen I said what what happens when the hurricane comes what happens when the hurricane comes what happens when the hurricane comes and we all lose our cages he goes oh and we all lose our cages he goes oh and we all lose our cages he goes oh you'll be without aluminum for two to you'll be without aluminum for two to you'll be without aluminum for two to three years three years three years woo wow You'll have mosquitoes in your woo wow You'll have mosquitoes in your woo wow You'll have mosquitoes in your pool for the next two or three years pool for the next two or three years pool for the next two or three years after you do that no CM well you know after you do that no CM well you know after you do that no CM well you know what's going on you know how I told you what's going on you know how I told you what's going on you know how I told you guys I went through that hell storm or guys I went through that hell storm or guys I went through that hell storm or whatever and um my car has been in the whatever and um my car has been in the whatever and um my car has been in the shop for like two weeks well it just shop for like two weeks well it just shop for like two weeks well it just called me this week and they're like called me this week and they're like called me this week and they're like okay there's a lot of bad weather going okay there's a lot of bad weather going okay there's a lot of bad weather going on around the United States and so as a on around the United States and so as a on around the United States and so as a result of that both your hood result of that both your hood result of that both your hood and your glass it's on back order from and your glass it's on back order from and your glass it's on back order from GM and we don't have any idea as to when GM and we don't have any idea as to when GM and we don't have any idea as to when it's coming in so come get your car it's coming in so come get your car it's coming in so come get your car because we just it's just to hurry up because we just it's just to hurry up because we just it's just to hurry up and wait and that they said there's just and wait and that they said there's just and wait and that they said there's just there's so much going on around the there's so much going on around the there's so much going on around the United States right now with weather United States right now with weather United States right now with weather that they're they're dealing with this that they're they're dealing with this that they're they're dealing with this in the vehicle Market that they just in the vehicle Market that they just in the vehicle Market that they just can't get access to parts to replace and can't get access to parts to replace and can't get access to parts to replace and my car is kind of still considered new my car is kind of still considered new my car is kind of still considered new and so there's not a bunch of Salvage and so there's not a bunch of Salvage and so there's not a bunch of Salvage around either they can't really find around either they can't really find around either they can't really find anything so and I got to see I got to anything so and I got to see I got to anything so and I got to see I got to see her car her I did when we went wine see her car her I did when we went wine see her car her I did when we went wine tasting and I saw all the little dimples tasting and I saw all the little dimples tasting and I saw all the little dimples in it you know from the hail it sucks in it you know from the hail it sucks in it you know from the hail it sucks yeah scary normally those with those new yeah scary normally those with those new yeah scary normally those with those new windshields they have a lot of sensors windshields they have a lot of sensors windshields they have a lot of sensors in them so they have to recalibrate them in them so they have to recalibrate them in them so they have to recalibrate them Y and they cannot and GM requires you to

Y and they cannot and GM requires you to Y and they cannot and GM requires you to use their glass because of their risk use their glass because of their risk use their glass because of their risk using someone else so it's oh my using someone else so it's oh my using someone else so it's oh my God yeah yeah that's that's what sensors God yeah yeah that's that's what sensors God yeah yeah that's that's what sensors do to the vehicle they they end the the do to the vehicle they they end the the do to the vehicle they they end the the dealership or the uh actual OEM right dealership or the uh actual OEM right dealership or the uh actual OEM right ends up owning that replacement part ends up owning that replacement part ends up owning that replacement part because they just take over yeah because they just take over yeah because they just take over yeah interesting wow not like the good old interesting wow not like the good old interesting wow not like the good old days in that last century that we came days in that last century that we came days in that last century that we came from you know where you can you went you from you know where you can you went you from you know where you can you went you went and got to the pick aart in the went and got to the pick aart in the went and got to the pick aart in the junkyard put it put it back in yeah you junkyard put it put it back in yeah you junkyard put it put it back in yeah you go over to Sanford and Son and get pick go over to Sanford and Son and get pick go over to Sanford and Son and get pick up the stuff oh that was such a good up the stuff oh that was such a good up the stuff oh that was such a good show so show so show so good so good I'm com oh com oh goodness goodness goodness 400 all right all right this is you can 400 all right all right this is you can 400 all right all right this is you can always come down to Florida and go to my always come down to Florida and go to my always come down to Florida and go to my uh I'm playing in the um Masters uh I'm playing in the um Masters uh I'm playing in the um Masters national championships this week oh wow national championships this week oh wow national championships this week oh wow South Florida so it's still going on South Florida so it's still going on South Florida so it's still going on yeah I got well this is a new one we won yeah I got well this is a new one we won yeah I got well this is a new one we won the Pan-American games um two weeks ago the Pan-American games um two weeks ago the Pan-American games um two weeks ago three weeks ago and now we're in the USA three weeks ago and now we're in the USA three weeks ago and now we're in the USA national championships this week so national championships this week so national championships this week so that's awesome and then I'm done I'm I'm that's awesome and then I'm done I'm I'm that's awesome and then I'm done I'm I'm taking off for a while you've been taking off for a while you've been taking off for a while you've been you've been busy for a while so yeah I'm you've been busy for a while so yeah I'm you've been busy for a while so yeah I'm in I'm in too good shape I gotta stop I in I'm in too good shape I gotta stop I in I'm in too good shape I gotta stop I gotta go back to eating

gotta go back to eating gotta go back to eating drinking oh man well I hey I've lost 18 drinking oh man well I hey I've lost 18 drinking oh man well I hey I've lost 18 lbs so awesome look at you that's great lbs so awesome look at you that's great lbs so awesome look at you that's great I'm on I'm on a very health conscious I'm on I'm on a very health conscious I'm on I'm on a very health conscious mission mission because I had horrible mission mission because I had horrible mission mission because I had horrible art um results or blood results that art um results or blood results that art um results or blood results that scared the crap out of me yeah so here I scared the crap out of me yeah so here I scared the crap out of me yeah so here I am finally getting my act together it am finally getting my act together it am finally getting my act together it takes a a you know blood results to wake takes a a you know blood results to wake takes a a you know blood results to wake me up yeah well then good I'm glad that me up yeah well then good I'm glad that me up yeah well then good I'm glad that happened happened happened yeah 20 more to goex text me text me yeah 20 more to goex text me text me yeah 20 more to goex text me text me your diet plan I need to do that I need your diet plan I need to do that I need your diet plan I need to do that I need to do that d to do that d to do that d eating clean no fast food no fried food eating clean no fast food no fried food eating clean no fast food no fried food yeah you gota gotta live like Steve yeah you gota gotta live like Steve yeah you gota gotta live like Steve Steve's living the Healthy Life play basketball Saturday afternoon leard sat basketball Saturday afternoon leard sat Sunday comes my fat asses on that couch Sunday comes my fat asses on that couch Sunday comes my fat asses on that couch freaking EF oh God all right yeah so hey everyone EF oh God all right yeah so hey everyone thanks for sticking around on our fourth thanks for sticking around on our fourth thanks for sticking around on our fourth annual episode of annual episode of annual episode of coffee talk you know we've been doing coffee talk you know we've been doing coffee talk you know we've been doing this for four years years and you know this for four years years and you know this for four years years and you know as much as we love each other which is as much as we love each other which is as much as we love each other which is the fuel that or that thing that binds the fuel that or that thing that binds the fuel that or that thing that binds us and keeps the show going it's also us and keeps the show going it's also us and keeps the show going it's also about Elevate our kids which is a about Elevate our kids which is a about Elevate our kids which is a charity that we support uh you can find charity that we support uh you can find charity that we support uh you can find out all the information about that out all the information about that out all the information about that charity at www. Elevate our kids.org so charity at www. Elevate our kids.org so charity at www. Elevate our kids.org so it's

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