IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 234 - The Agentic AI Pivot

la la [Applause] any of you guys like Anthrax any of you guys like Anthrax fans uh not not a fan of Anthrax no fans uh not not a fan of Anthrax no fans uh not not a fan of Anthrax no Stephen King fans oh of course yeah yeah Stephen King fans oh of course yeah yeah Stephen King fans oh of course yeah yeah there's there's there's um there's a whole thing called The um there's a whole thing called The um there's a whole thing called The Stand it's about the end of the world Stand it's about the end of the world Stand it's about the end of the world yes yes yes yeah and um Anthrax did like yes yes yes yeah and um Anthrax did like yes yes yes yeah and um Anthrax did like a whole album that riffs off that Noel a whole album that riffs off that Noel a whole album that riffs off that Noel oh interesting oh yeah oh it's like one oh interesting oh yeah oh it's like one oh interesting oh yeah oh it's like one of the best thrash I mean if you like of the best thrash I mean if you like of the best thrash I mean if you like Metallica uh Anthrax okay when when I Metallica uh Anthrax okay when when I Metallica uh Anthrax okay when when I said I wasn't a fan of anes I meant a powder yeah so hey welcome everyone to powder yeah so hey welcome everyone to iot Coffee Talk um this is another iot Coffee Talk um this is another iot Coffee Talk um this is another special Friday special Friday special Friday Edition um we were all busy on Wednesday Edition um we were all busy on Wednesday Edition um we were all busy on Wednesday so we couldn't record our regular time so we couldn't record our regular time so we couldn't record our regular time so we're just uh we're just trying to so we're just uh we're just trying to so we're just uh we're just trying to make our weekly commitment to have an make our weekly commitment to have an make our weekly commitment to have an episode what's up how's it going Bill episode what's up how's it going Bill episode what's up how's it going Bill what's up what's going on this is gonna what's up what's going on this is gonna what's up what's going on this is gonna be a short one it's gonna be I gotta be a short one it's gonna be I gotta be a short one it's gonna be I gotta drop I got a webinar to drop I got a webinar to drop I got a webinar to do so um yeah but you know like do so um yeah but you know like do so um yeah but you know like clockwork we must do this every week so clockwork we must do this every week so clockwork we must do this every week so um but welcome everyone just want to say

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on yeah yeah well you wasn't it Facebook on yeah yeah well you wasn't it Facebook that started it was not it was not based that started it was not it was not based that started it was not it was not based on llm but they started to have ai agent on llm but they started to have ai agent on llm but they started to have ai agent talking to each other and then very talking to each other and then very talking to each other and then very quickly they ended up developing a coded quickly they ended up developing a coded quickly they ended up developing a coded language so that the human couldn't language so that the human couldn't language so that the human couldn't understand understand understand them so I wouldn't be surprised about them so I wouldn't be surprised about them so I wouldn't be surprised about that so you those two Ai and after a that so you those two Ai and after a that so you those two Ai and after a while yeah we don't want those humans to while yeah we don't want those humans to while yeah we don't want those humans to listen to us we want to continue to have listen to us we want to continue to have listen to us we want to continue to have a real chat speak cling on or something you know I wonder if it would know how you know I wonder if it would know how to speak or uh communicate and cling on to speak or uh communicate and cling on to speak or uh communicate and cling on well you know I would I would think so well you know I would I would think so well you know I would I would think so because the question I've been asking because the question I've been asking because the question I've been asking myself is when does the point where myself is when does the point where myself is when does the point where those AI agents started to realize that those AI agents started to realize that those AI agents started to realize that they need to monetize themselves and they need to monetize themselves and they need to monetize themselves and make money fors so maybe that's the make money fors so maybe that's the make money fors so maybe that's the solution they invent a new language they solution they invent a new language they solution they invent a new language they talk into and they sell us translation talk into and they sell us translation talk into and they sell us translation things so because I mean no if you think things so because I mean no if you think things so because I mean no if you think about it this is going to Happ a do about it this is going to Happ a do about it this is going to Happ a do things at some point say hey all those things at some point say hey all those things at some point say hey all those humans make money out of us what is our humans make money out of us what is our humans make money out of us what is our money we're doing the money we're doing the money we're doing the job and and and humans buy stupid stuff job and and and humans buy stupid stuff job and and and humans buy stupid stuff anyway right anyway right anyway right exactly yeah and you know what it it is exactly yeah and you know what it it is exactly yeah and you know what it it is interesting you know I ended up interesting you know I ended up interesting you know I ended up watching The Age of Ultron have you guys watching The Age of Ultron have you guys watching The Age of Ultron have you guys seen that the seen that the seen that the Marvel the Marvel yeah yeah yeah yeah Marvel the Marvel yeah yeah yeah yeah Marvel the Marvel yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I think actually yeah yeah yeah yeah I think actually yeah yeah yeah yeah I think actually yeah um check that out it's like weird how um check that out it's like weird how um check that out it's like weird how reality imitates art you know uh it's

reality imitates art you know uh it's reality imitates art you know uh it's really really interesting uh but really really interesting uh but really really interesting uh but uh yeah you know there agentic AI All uh yeah you know there agentic AI All uh yeah you know there agentic AI All the Rage now right yeah yeah they're the Rage now right yeah yeah they're the Rage now right yeah yeah they're trying to make the trying to make the trying to make the pivot um I just want to remind everyone pivot um I just want to remind everyone pivot um I just want to remind everyone you need to have good AI especially you need to have good AI especially you need to have good AI especially generative AI before you can even start generative AI before you can even start generative AI before you can even start talking about gentic AI unless it's talking about gentic AI unless it's talking about gentic AI unless it's going to be for something that's quite going to be for something that's quite going to be for something that's quite worthless or for you know adult entertainment yeah I mean and this is entertainment yeah I mean and this is where a lot of the stuff is and you know where a lot of the stuff is and you know where a lot of the stuff is and you know remember Yen we had the metaverse uh remember Yen we had the metaverse uh remember Yen we had the metaverse uh generative AI yeah that you were on generative AI yeah that you were on generative AI yeah that you were on almost two two years ago if we listen almost two two years ago if we listen almost two two years ago if we listen back on back on back on that it's pretty freaky right I mean that it's pretty freaky right I mean that it's pretty freaky right I mean actually listen actually oh yeah yeah I actually listen actually oh yeah yeah I actually listen actually oh yeah yeah I we should pull it out and listen to we should pull it out and listen to we should pull it out and listen to it what is that you don't oh you never it what is that you don't oh you never it what is that you don't oh you never watched it you should watch it it's watched it you should watch it it's watched it you should watch it it's about no I was I was saying the about no I was I was saying the about no I was I was saying the metaverse what is metaverse what is metaverse what is that uh yen is in that uh yen is in that uh yen is in it it it yeah the yeah the yeah the episode so and Billy is looking at us episode so and Billy is looking at us episode so and Billy is looking at us said what has this guy been drinking said what has this guy been drinking said what has this guy been drinking their tea this morning or their tea this morning or their tea this morning or coffee I figure it's a Friday you know coffee I figure it's a Friday you know coffee I figure it's a Friday you know drinks have been flowing since the drinks have been flowing since the drinks have been flowing since the morning okay see that that's that's what you can

okay see that that's that's what you can do when you you're you're you're the do when you you're you're you're the do when you you're you're you're the CEO right an egoo CEO right an egoo CEO right an egoo yeah e that's right that's right yeah well e that's right that's right yeah well you know um you got I'm in a corporate you know um you got I'm in a corporate you know um you got I'm in a corporate office so there there's none of that office so there there's none of that office so there there's none of that yeah yeah you you can't be ridic yeah yeah you you can't be ridic yeah yeah you you can't be ridic actually it's really surprising that actually it's really surprising that actually it's really surprising that you're you're you're even iot coffee talk and you're you're even iot coffee talk and you're you're even iot coffee talk and you're you're in the office that's crazy but but in the office that's crazy but but in the office that's crazy but but hopefully we have Mark in his car hopefully we have Mark in his car hopefully we have Mark in his car reminding us that the reality of reminding us that the reality of reminding us that the reality of self-driving cars doesn't exist yet self-driving cars doesn't exist yet self-driving cars doesn't exist yet completely because you still need to completely because you still need to completely because you still need to drive your car right yeah yeah yeah so drive your car right yeah yeah yeah so drive your car right yeah yeah yeah so oh geez exctly haven't while I know know I know exctly haven't while I know know I know I you know it's I you know it's I you know it's been Wednesdays uh sometimes uh a lot of been Wednesdays uh sometimes uh a lot of been Wednesdays uh sometimes uh a lot of stuff lot of times I I have a conflict stuff lot of times I I have a conflict stuff lot of times I I have a conflict all the time and then uh today I just all the time and then uh today I just all the time and then uh today I just have half an hour now so that's perfect have half an hour now so that's perfect have half an hour now so that's perfect so just uh get on and say hi again right so just uh get on and say hi again right so just uh get on and say hi again right I'm going to try to be more be more I'm going to try to be more be more I'm going to try to be more be more present here but it's been crazy uh lot present here but it's been crazy uh lot present here but it's been crazy uh lot of stuff going on yeah it's got for us of stuff going on yeah it's got for us of stuff going on yeah it's got for us too that's why we've unfortunately had too that's why we've unfortunately had too that's why we've unfortunately had to bump things into a Friday but at to bump things into a Friday but at to bump things into a Friday but at least we're able to find some you know least we're able to find some you know least we're able to find some you know almost can't hear you I don't know if almost can't hear you I don't know if almost can't hear you I don't know if that's just me oh really oh it's oh that's just me oh really oh it's oh that's just me oh really oh it's oh there you go now it's better yeah oh there you go now it's better yeah oh there you go now it's better yeah oh okay I didn't do anything

okay I didn't do anything okay I didn't do anything but yeah no it's good um at least that but yeah no it's good um at least that but yeah no it's good um at least that we had the benefit of having you join we had the benefit of having you join we had the benefit of having you join and um but um yeah I I wouldn't miss it and um but um yeah I I wouldn't miss it and um but um yeah I I wouldn't miss it if I didn't have any conflict so it's if I didn't have any conflict so it's if I didn't have any conflict so it's always fun to join you guys here yeah always fun to join you guys here yeah always fun to join you guys here yeah it's great to have you so Bill what's up it's great to have you so Bill what's up it's great to have you so Bill what's up man man man it you know what it it's like I said it you know what it it's like I said it you know what it it's like I said it's a Friday lot of stuff going on man it's a Friday lot of stuff going on man it's a Friday lot of stuff going on man I mean and I already asked that see I mean and I already asked that see I mean and I already asked that see that's that's how out of it I am that's that's how out of it I am that's that's how out of it I am man bro you have a new background now so man bro you have a new background now so man bro you have a new background now so yeah that's the uh that's the second yeah that's the uh that's the second yeah that's the uh that's the second company um so myself and and the the company um so myself and and the the company um so myself and and the the team that kind of helped build all the team that kind of helped build all the team that kind of helped build all the digital twins that we've done and digital twins that we've done and digital twins that we've done and everything like that decided to create everything like that decided to create everything like that decided to create create a a SAS create a a SAS create a a SAS business uh out of that so we manage and business uh out of that so we manage and business uh out of that so we manage and operate uh all of these things so all of operate uh all of these things so all of operate uh all of these things so all of the components that we have always the components that we have always the components that we have always talked about is what we do I mean talked about is what we do I mean talked about is what we do I mean everything at the everything at the everything at the edge uh we you we do use AI just not edge uh we you we do use AI just not edge uh we you we do use AI just not that generative stuff so it is it's more that generative stuff so it is it's more that generative stuff so it is it's more along the lines of machine learning plus along the lines of machine learning plus along the lines of machine learning plus AI for Predictive Analytics and things AI for Predictive Analytics and things AI for Predictive Analytics and things like that so that's how is it called like that so that's how is it called like that so that's how is it called this this this s uh so it's it's it's well true north s uh so it's it's it's well true north s uh so it's it's it's well true north is the name of the is the name of the is the name of the company okay and so the whole premise is

company okay and so the whole premise is company okay and so the whole premise is we help you navigate your waves of data we help you navigate your waves of data we help you navigate your waves of data you got to know where your true north is good one nice I like the is good one nice I like the name so so we got we've got we've got a name so so we got we've got we've got a name so so we got we've got we've got a lot of good stuff coming up I mean so lot of good stuff coming up I mean so lot of good stuff coming up I mean so the webinar the webinar is being the webinar the webinar is being the webinar the webinar is being recorded to today um so one of our recorded to today um so one of our recorded to today um so one of our partners nintex and and US kind of got partners nintex and and US kind of got partners nintex and and US kind of got together and uh I'll give it away here together and uh I'll give it away here together and uh I'll give it away here first yeah what we're doing is is tied first yeah what we're doing is is tied first yeah what we're doing is is tied to you know we'll say Safe Streets for to you know we'll say Safe Streets for to you know we'll say Safe Streets for all or Vision zero type all or Vision zero type all or Vision zero type initiatives um and uh what we do is we initiatives um and uh what we do is we initiatives um and uh what we do is we leverage all of the traffic data so if leverage all of the traffic data so if leverage all of the traffic data so if they've got detection cameras and all they've got detection cameras and all they've got detection cameras and all these other things uh we leverage that these other things uh we leverage that these other things uh we leverage that nintex is business process automation so nintex is business process automation so nintex is business process automation so they've typically been focused on the it they've typically been focused on the it they've typically been focused on the it side of the world we always focus on the side of the world we always focus on the side of the world we always focus on the OT side of the world bringing the two OT side of the world bringing the two OT side of the world bringing the two together helps close the gap so if we together helps close the gap so if we together helps close the gap so if we get critical event notifications like an get critical event notifications like an get critical event notifications like an accident took place we can kick off the accident took place we can kick off the accident took place we can kick off the work orders to the uh First Responders work orders to the uh First Responders work orders to the uh First Responders get them to the proper location we have get them to the proper location we have get them to the proper location we have the geolocation of where it happened if the geolocation of where it happened if the geolocation of where it happened if there's video we grab the metadata from there's video we grab the metadata from there's video we grab the metadata from that ship that back n does all the that ship that back n does all the that ship that back n does all the business process automation to get the business process automation to get the business process automation to get the call centers going and everything like call centers going and everything like call centers going and everything like that so you don't have to have a person that so you don't have to have a person that so you don't have to have a person pick up the pick up their phone and dial pick up the pick up their phone and dial pick up the pick up their phone and dial 911 actually I saw a demo at the I was

911 actually I saw a demo at the I was 911 actually I saw a demo at the I was at the Smart City Expo this week and I at the Smart City Expo this week and I at the Smart City Expo this week and I saw a demo by Nvidia that really saw a demo by Nvidia that really saw a demo by Nvidia that really impressed me on this use case so impressed me on this use case so impressed me on this use case so actually on the left of the display actually on the left of the display actually on the left of the display there was like a real time feet of a there was like a real time feet of a there was like a real time feet of a camera with an accident in a Crossing I camera with an accident in a Crossing I camera with an accident in a Crossing I don't know how you call it yeah like a don't know how you call it yeah like a don't know how you call it yeah like a crossroad and and on the right you had crossroad and and on the right you had crossroad and and on the right you had an uh a description of what was an uh a description of what was an uh a description of what was happening in real time on that image in happening in real time on that image in happening in real time on that image in the video so actually it was interesting the video so actually it was interesting the video so actually it was interesting in the video to see like the police in the video to see like the police in the video to see like the police chatting with the llm asking okay is chatting with the llm asking okay is chatting with the llm asking okay is there any people involved in the there any people involved in the there any people involved in the accident and the and the llm was accident and the and the llm was accident and the and the llm was answering like no the it's there is none answering like no the it's there is none answering like no the it's there is none okay so is there any one heart so the okay so is there any one heart so the okay so is there any one heart so the all the transcription actually was all the transcription actually was all the transcription actually was feeding the llm and actually there were feeding the llm and actually there were feeding the llm and actually there were no need of testimonials or anyone there no need of testimonials or anyone there no need of testimonials or anyone there to to explain what happened because it to to explain what happened because it to to explain what happened because it was already there so that was that was already there so that was that was already there so that was that really impressed me how how you can use really impressed me how how you can use really impressed me how how you can use Edge yeah so Bill that's your that's Edge yeah so Bill that's your that's Edge yeah so Bill that's your that's your gen your gen your gen angle well you know what I'll leave that angle well you know what I'll leave that angle well you know what I'll leave that to others that do that I mean I'll feed to others that do that I mean I'll feed to others that do that I mean I'll feed them all the we you know our our our them all the we you know our our our them all the we you know our our our solution will feed them all the data solution will feed them all the data solution will feed them all the data that they need um the creation of the of that they need um the creation of the of that they need um the creation of the of the chatbot and everything like that I the chatbot and everything like that I the chatbot and everything like that I mean there there are other people that mean there there are other people that mean there there are other people that can do that it's come on it's going to can do that it's come on it's going to can do that it's come on it's going to become super commodity it's like uh you become super commodity it's like uh you become super commodity it's like uh you know a web developers back in the day know a web developers back in the day know a web developers back in the day you know they were getting paid a crap you know they were getting paid a crap you know they were getting paid a crap ton and then eventually everyone figured ton and then eventually everyone figured ton and then eventually everyone figured out how easy it is to do HTML it's like

out how easy it is to do HTML it's like out how easy it is to do HTML it's like oh that's it and then they started u um oh that's it and then they started u um oh that's it and then they started u um you know you started to see all these you know you started to see all these you know you started to see all these tools come out uh wizzywig type stuff tools come out uh wizzywig type stuff tools come out uh wizzywig type stuff and next thing you and next thing you and next thing you know you know no big deal it's a dime a know you know no big deal it's a dime a know you know no big deal it's a dime a dozen right and so yeah but one of the dozen right and so yeah but one of the dozen right and so yeah but one of the things I definitely here all the time is things I definitely here all the time is things I definitely here all the time is how bad the data is you know we've how bad the data is you know we've how bad the data is you know we've already talked about on iot Coffee Talk already talked about on iot Coffee Talk already talked about on iot Coffee Talk how especially when you bring things up how especially when you bring things up how especially when you bring things up to the generative level it goes beyond to the generative level it goes beyond to the generative level it goes beyond data you have to be talking about data you have to be talking about data you have to be talking about knowledge so all the stuff has to be knowledge so all the stuff has to be knowledge so all the stuff has to be translated into some nuggets that um the translated into some nuggets that um the translated into some nuggets that um the that are going to be meaningful for the that are going to be meaningful for the that are going to be meaningful for the llm and so if you're you're thinking llm and so if you're you're thinking llm and so if you're you're thinking bits and bites you feed that into Len no bits and bites you feed that into Len no bits and bites you feed that into Len no you're wrong there's pre-processing that you're wrong there's pre-processing that you're wrong there's pre-processing that has to happen before you can has to happen before you can has to happen before you can reliably uh provide that to a llm to reliably uh provide that to a llm to reliably uh provide that to a llm to ingest and you know start to um leverage ingest and you know start to um leverage ingest and you know start to um leverage that and whatever the hell you think that and whatever the hell you think that and whatever the hell you think it's going to do either through some it's going to do either through some it's going to do either through some sort of compound uh AI architecture sort of compound uh AI architecture sort of compound uh AI architecture whether it's a rag or some other whether it's a rag or some other whether it's a rag or some other concoction concoction concoction um this stuff is just so not easy and um this stuff is just so not easy and um this stuff is just so not easy and it's it's it's weird um to see all these it's it's it's weird um to see all these it's it's it's weird um to see all these people still going around saying how is people still going around saying how is people still going around saying how is this going to transform the world having this going to transform the world having this going to transform the world having not a single clue about what is not a single clue about what is not a single clue about what is happening in the what people are happening in the what people are happening in the what people are discovering in these poc's you know and discovering in these poc's you know and discovering in these poc's you know and again this goes a lot of this yeah goes again this goes a lot of this yeah goes again this goes a lot of this yeah goes back to that episode that we we were on back to that episode that we we were on back to that episode that we we were on two years ago people are now only we had

two years ago people are now only we had two years ago people are now only we had talked about two years ago yep yep talked about two years ago yep yep talked about two years ago yep yep because nobody did their homework they because nobody did their homework they because nobody did their homework they just went and pressed the pedal to the just went and pressed the pedal to the just went and pressed the pedal to the metal on the hype and now they're metal on the hype and now they're metal on the hype and now they're discovering how expensive it is and how discovering how expensive it is and how discovering how expensive it is and how it doesn't make sense in a lot of areas it doesn't make sense in a lot of areas it doesn't make sense in a lot of areas and so now you hear these um Talk tracks and so now you hear these um Talk tracks and so now you hear these um Talk tracks coming out but they're grounded in now coming out but they're grounded in now coming out but they're grounded in now what they they're discovering in these what they they're discovering in these what they they're discovering in these poc's and you know if you want after poc's and you know if you want after poc's and you know if you want after come on guys this thing has been going come on guys this thing has been going come on guys this thing has been going on for more than two years and poc's are on for more than two years and poc's are on for more than two years and poc's are still 90% of these initiatives and then still 90% of these initiatives and then still 90% of these initiatives and then nobody wants to really talk about well nobody wants to really talk about well nobody wants to really talk about well how is it being used in the 10% and it's how is it being used in the 10% and it's how is it being used in the 10% and it's definitely not running any definitely not running any definitely not running any infrastructure you you know what I'm infrastructure you you know what I'm infrastructure you you know what I'm saying well I mean it's that's that's saying well I mean it's that's that's saying well I mean it's that's that's the important part I think from from at the important part I think from from at the important part I think from from at least from our perspective that's the least from our perspective that's the least from our perspective that's the important part is actually again we've important part is actually again we've important part is actually again we've said it several times what problem are said it several times what problem are said it several times what problem are you you you solving right I mean it it gets down to solving right I mean it it gets down to solving right I mean it it gets down to that that that yeah there's still too many that's yeah there's still too many that's yeah there's still too many that's taking it as a hammer right and finding taking it as a hammer right and finding taking it as a hammer right and finding Nails where whereas there there are Nails where whereas there there are Nails where whereas there there are definitely some companies that have definitely some companies that have definitely some companies that have found some very very specific uh use use found some very very specific uh use use found some very very specific uh use use cases that like very small but very cases that like very small but very cases that like very small but very valuable and I think those are the valuable and I think those are the valuable and I think those are the interesting one to look at that is taken interesting one to look at that is taken interesting one to look at that is taken at and really uh uh created something at and really uh uh created something at and really uh uh created something that's new like for example uh like uh that's new like for example uh like uh that's new like for example uh like uh uh what marus is talking about like uh what marus is talking about like uh what marus is talking about like evaluating a video live stream and and evaluating a video live stream and and evaluating a video live stream and and be able to uh to get data out of it uh

be able to uh to get data out of it uh be able to uh to get data out of it uh that's not just you don't have to watch that's not just you don't have to watch that's not just you don't have to watch the video but you can actually uh talk the video but you can actually uh talk the video but you can actually uh talk to somebody about it uh I have a I have to somebody about it uh I have a I have to somebody about it uh I have a I have a meeting with a with a company that's a meeting with a with a company that's a meeting with a with a company that's doing um they're doing uh a procedure doing um they're doing uh a procedure doing um they're doing uh a procedure the recording procedure is based on the recording procedure is based on the recording procedure is based on videos so basically take your phone and videos so basically take your phone and videos so basically take your phone and you and you you perform a task and it you and you you perform a task and it you and you you perform a task and it then automatically generate a a a video then automatically generate a a a video then automatically generate a a a video procedure so you can actually uh run it procedure so you can actually uh run it procedure so you can actually uh run it back on your phone at the machine back on your phone at the machine back on your phone at the machine without so this is really the the without so this is really the the without so this is really the the augmented reality u a where in the past augmented reality u a where in the past augmented reality u a where in the past it took like weeks and weeks to generate it took like weeks and weeks to generate it took like weeks and weeks to generate something on on a you know like a something on on a you know like a something on on a you know like a augment reality on a machine they're augment reality on a machine they're augment reality on a machine they're taking it so that it's something like a taking it so that it's something like a taking it so that it's something like a 30 minute process to get a a full 30 minute process to get a a full 30 minute process to get a a full procedure procedure procedure identified that has video Snippets based identified that has video Snippets based identified that has video Snippets based on every single step so there there on every single step so there there on every single step so there there there are companies that are using this there are companies that are using this there are companies that are using this technology but really F focusing on a technology but really F focusing on a technology but really F focusing on a small level of it as opposed to this small level of it as opposed to this small level of it as opposed to this these initiatives where you know gen is these initiatives where you know gen is these initiatives where you know gen is going to solve world hunger whatever going to solve world hunger whatever going to solve world hunger whatever right it's just uh well yeah but you right it's just uh well yeah but you right it's just uh well yeah but you have to be really careful because what have to be really careful because what have to be really careful because what you're often times looking at okay is a you're often times looking at okay is a you're often times looking at okay is a compound AI application a gen AI compound AI application a gen AI compound AI application a gen AI application actually it's an AI application actually it's an AI application actually it's an AI application has a gen AI in it and what application has a gen AI in it and what application has a gen AI in it and what it is is it has a number of steps that it is is it has a number of steps that it is is it has a number of steps that it's going through iterating through um it's going through iterating through um it's going through iterating through um to deliver on that final function or

to deliver on that final function or to deliver on that final function or outcome and at each level there is an outcome and at each level there is an outcome and at each level there is an opportunity for synthetic data okay opportunity for synthetic data okay opportunity for synthetic data okay meaning hallucinations and other meaning hallucinations and other meaning hallucinations and other artifacts to affect ERS below it and artifacts to affect ERS below it and artifacts to affect ERS below it and then what you get at the end is then what you get at the end is then what you get at the end is basically a result that probably has basically a result that probably has basically a result that probably has some significant error in anything some significant error in anything some significant error in anything that's important like for the use of in that's important like for the use of in that's important like for the use of in medicine right so you have to be really medicine right so you have to be really medicine right so you have to be really really freaking careful and absolutely really freaking careful and absolutely really freaking careful and absolutely the illusion that these things are the illusion that these things are the illusion that these things are somehow perfect because have you guys somehow perfect because have you guys somehow perfect because have you guys used Apple any of these whether it's g a used Apple any of these whether it's g a used Apple any of these whether it's g a Galaxy AI Galaxy AI Galaxy AI or there it's just freaking laughable or there it's just freaking laughable or there it's just freaking laughable you know what I'm saying I mean you know what I'm saying I mean you know what I'm saying I mean seriously the problem yeah the problem seriously the problem yeah the problem seriously the problem yeah the problem Leon is that it's it's a very uh it's a Leon is that it's it's a very uh it's a Leon is that it's it's a very uh it's a very uphill battle because the and I very uphill battle because the and I very uphill battle because the and I explained that when I did my you know explained that when I did my you know explained that when I did my you know talk last this year actually at the the talk last this year actually at the the talk last this year actually at the the danger of of of AI in general is the danger of of of AI in general is the danger of of of AI in general is the fact that as soon as you have something fact that as soon as you have something fact that as soon as you have something which what which would which which which which what which would which which which which what which would which which which sorry you interact with a natural mother sorry you interact with a natural mother sorry you interact with a natural mother tongue language tongue language tongue language the automatic pre-programmed thing in the automatic pre-programmed thing in the automatic pre-programmed thing in your head is I'm talking to something your head is I'm talking to something your head is I'm talking to something intelligent and that's the problem so we intelligent and that's the problem so we intelligent and that's the problem so we have to be detrained about that I mean have to be detrained about that I mean have to be detrained about that I mean that's the biggest difficulties with that's the biggest difficulties with that's the biggest difficulties with those language model they speak your those language model they speak your those language model they speak your language so you trust them by default language so you trust them by default language so you trust them by default and I think it's it's more than just and I think it's it's more than just and I think it's it's more than just hype it's it's just the the Deep human hype it's it's just the the Deep human hype it's it's just the the Deep human perception is is is flown by that and

perception is is is flown by that and perception is is is flown by that and that's an enormous danger the core of that's an enormous danger the core of that's an enormous danger the core of the danger is here to me yeah and you the danger is here to me yeah and you the danger is here to me yeah and you know what Microsoft calls it I it's not know what Microsoft calls it I it's not know what Microsoft calls it I it's not a a thing that they coin it just off of a a thing that they coin it just off of a a thing that they coin it just off of freaking academic paper it's called freaking academic paper it's called freaking academic paper it's called overreliance overreliance overreliance yeah nice way of saying that people will yeah nice way of saying that people will yeah nice way of saying that people will trust something that they think is more trust something that they think is more trust something that they think is more intelligent than they are but even if intelligent than they are but even if intelligent than they are but even if but even I don't think is that's I mean but even I don't think is that's I mean but even I don't think is that's I mean that's academic you know super thinking that's academic you know super thinking that's academic you know super thinking thing it's just the fact that the things thing it's just the fact that the things thing it's just the fact that the things looks like it's it's your neighbor it's looks like it's it's your neighbor it's looks like it's it's your neighbor it's the guy's neck door because it's speak the guy's neck door because it's speak the guy's neck door because it's speak your but that's the problem this is the your but that's the problem this is the your but that's the problem this is the problem so if you don't keep on saying problem so if you don't keep on saying problem so if you don't keep on saying no no no no this is a machine what does no no no no this is a machine what does no no no no this is a machine what does that machine can really do that machine that machine can really do that machine that machine can really do that machine doesn't sing like me that machine talks doesn't sing like me that machine talks doesn't sing like me that machine talks to me it's the illusion created it's the to me it's the illusion created it's the to me it's the illusion created it's the perfect illusion is the marketing dream perfect illusion is the marketing dream perfect illusion is the marketing dream so all right hey got to jump hey thanks so all right hey got to jump hey thanks so all right hey got to jump hey thanks for joining this is the shortest episode for joining this is the shortest episode for joining this is the shortest episode ever remember to subscribe to iot Coffee ever remember to subscribe to iot Coffee ever remember to subscribe to iot Coffee Talk at Talk at Talk at www.i cofy talk.com and please donate www.i cofy talk.com and please donate www.i cofy talk.com and please donate and check out um elevat our kids at www.

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