IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 270 - Agentic Convenience (The Opioid of the Agentic AI Era)

[Applause] [Applause] [Music] Woo! Poppy talk. How's it going Woo! Poppy talk. How's it going everyone? everyone? everyone? What's up Dimmitri? Oh, Steve just What's up Dimmitri? Oh, Steve just What's up Dimmitri? Oh, Steve just joined. pretty good. Pretty good joined. pretty good. Pretty good joined. pretty good. Pretty good actually. The the the AI recommendation actually. The the the AI recommendation actually. The the the AI recommendation for the intro song was a summer breeze for the intro song was a summer breeze for the intro song was a summer breeze by and craft 1972. Well, the reason by and craft 1972. Well, the reason by and craft 1972. Well, the reason being it's seasonal and there is a being it's seasonal and there is a being it's seasonal and there is a reference there's a reference in the reference there's a reference in the reference there's a reference in the song summer feeds through the smart grid song summer feeds through the smart grid song summer feeds through the smart grid line. So there's an IoT reference. It's line. So there's an IoT reference. It's line. So there's an IoT reference. It's actually not so bad. actually not so bad. actually not so bad. >> Really? Wow. >> Really? Wow. >> Really? Wow. >> I I gave him the prompt. We're running >> I I gave him the prompt. We're running >> I I gave him the prompt. We're running an IoT talk podcast. We play a song. an IoT talk podcast. We play a song. an IoT talk podcast. We play a song. what should we be doing intro related to what should we be doing intro related to what should we be doing intro related to IoT and and the date and that's what he IoT and and the date and that's what he IoT and and the date and that's what he come up from. Sorry come up from. Sorry come up from. Sorry heard that and decided to hide.

heard that and decided to hide. heard that and decided to hide. >> Yeah. Hey Steve, what's up? >> Yeah. Hey Steve, what's up? >> Yeah. Hey Steve, what's up? >> Another Friday at the beach, baby. >> Another Friday at the beach, baby. >> Another Friday at the beach, baby. >> I know. Wow. >> I know. Wow. >> I know. Wow. >> Looks like it's a beautiful day. >> Looks like it's a beautiful day. >> Looks like it's a beautiful day. >> It is hot as hell. >> It is hot as hell. >> It is hot as hell. >> It's we are baking. That's why we pay >> It's we are baking. That's why we pay >> It's we are baking. That's why we pay high property taxes in the uh in San high property taxes in the uh in San high property taxes in the uh in San Diego is because the rest of the country Diego is because the rest of the country Diego is because the rest of the country is steaming or boiling and we have like is steaming or boiling and we have like is steaming or boiling and we have like 72° weather. 72° weather. 72° weather. >> Yeah, I know. >> The beach though. >> The beach though. >> It was chill last night in the Bay Area, >> It was chill last night in the Bay Area, >> It was chill last night in the Bay Area, but we had the we had the marine layer but we had the we had the marine layer but we had the we had the marine layer still this morning. Still great. still this morning. Still great. still this morning. Still great. >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. It's going to burn in a couple of >> Yeah. It's going to burn in a couple of >> Yeah. It's going to burn in a couple of hours, but hours, but hours, but >> yeah, we have it, too. So, um, but you >> yeah, we have it, too. So, um, but you >> yeah, we have it, too. So, um, but you know, they've at least we don't have know, they've at least we don't have know, they've at least we don't have that humid, steamy, nasty heat, right? that humid, steamy, nasty heat, right? that humid, steamy, nasty heat, right? >> That's true. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> Um, so yeah, before we get started, um, >> Um, so yeah, before we get started, um, >> Um, so yeah, before we get started, um, thanks for joining everyone. Um, this is thanks for joining everyone. Um, this is thanks for joining everyone. Um, this is IoT Coffee Talk, the only IoT Coffee IoT Coffee Talk, the only IoT Coffee IoT Coffee Talk, the only IoT Coffee Talk show.

>> No one has the guts to do what we do in >> No one has the guts to do what we do in >> the universe. Yeah. So, we tucker the >> the universe. Yeah. So, we tucker the >> the universe. Yeah. So, we tucker the hot stuff. hot stuff. hot stuff. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, and no, nobody likes >> Yeah. Well, I mean, and no, nobody likes >> Yeah. Well, I mean, and no, nobody likes to listen to hard stuff. So, to listen to hard stuff. So, to listen to hard stuff. So, um, but that doesn't mean that the hard um, but that doesn't mean that the hard um, but that doesn't mean that the hard stuff is valuable. Actually, the hard stuff is valuable. Actually, the hard stuff is valuable. Actually, the hard stuff is all that matters. All the other stuff is all that matters. All the other stuff is all that matters. All the other fluffy stuff. fluffy stuff. fluffy stuff. Okay, I want to say something to the Okay, I want to say something to the Okay, I want to say something to the trillions of people who listen to our trillions of people who listen to our trillions of people who listen to our show. You can talk all that fluffy stuff show. You can talk all that fluffy stuff show. You can talk all that fluffy stuff all day long. It gets you absolutely all day long. It gets you absolutely all day long. It gets you absolutely nowhere. Think about how many you So, nowhere. Think about how many you So, nowhere. Think about how many you So, what's a good business? Get in a what's a good business? Get in a what's a good business? Get in a business of talking highlevel stuff that business of talking highlevel stuff that business of talking highlevel stuff that gets you nowhere and evangelize to gets you nowhere and evangelize to gets you nowhere and evangelize to people who will make nothing happen. people who will make nothing happen. people who will make nothing happen. This is, you know, as mean as this This is, you know, as mean as this This is, you know, as mean as this sounds, it is reality. Remember my my sounds, it is reality. Remember my my sounds, it is reality. Remember my my background. background. background. I used to deliver I I used to deliver I I used to deliver I trenches, trenches, trenches, >> right? Doing all the strategy stuff all >> right? Doing all the strategy stuff all >> right? Doing all the strategy stuff all the way down to coding. And I I'm the way down to coding. And I I'm the way down to coding. And I I'm telling you the truth. I'm not sugar telling you the truth. I'm not sugar telling you the truth. I'm not sugar coating anything. I graduated from all coating anything. I graduated from all coating anything. I graduated from all that stuff selling digital that stuff selling digital that stuff selling digital transformation and saying all this like transformation and saying all this like transformation and saying all this like highlevel stuff and you know that highlevel stuff and you know that highlevel stuff and you know that there's value in it okay in being able there's value in it okay in being able there's value in it okay in being able to do it but doing it well but it has to to do it but doing it well but it has to to do it but doing it well but it has to be experience-based be experience-based be experience-based otherwise you know you cannot sell you otherwise you know you cannot sell you otherwise you know you cannot sell you cannot cannot cannot you know design solutions you cannot you know design solutions you cannot you know design solutions you cannot deliver without experience you know and deliver without experience you know and deliver without experience you know and this is the thing this is the thing this is the thing every situation is different this is every situation is different this is every situation is different this is what we've established on this show for what we've established on this show for what we've established on this show for the last six years. You know, the topic

the last six years. You know, the topic the last six years. You know, the topic of scaling has always been so of scaling has always been so of scaling has always been so interesting and how incredibly interesting and how incredibly interesting and how incredibly misunderstood and misapplied, misunderstood and misapplied, misunderstood and misapplied, misconceived that it is. And so misconceived that it is. And so misconceived that it is. And so the this whole concept of just the this whole concept of just the this whole concept of just genericizing stuff is not where you genericizing stuff is not where you genericizing stuff is not where you start. It's maybe where you want to get start. It's maybe where you want to get start. It's maybe where you want to get to. But those of you who've worked in to. But those of you who've worked in to. But those of you who've worked in the IT world who've been promised all the IT world who've been promised all the IT world who've been promised all these things about you know homogeneous these things about you know homogeneous these things about you know homogeneous let's get to a homogeneous architecture let's get to a homogeneous architecture let's get to a homogeneous architecture or let's get to XYZ target state you or let's get to XYZ target state you or let's get to XYZ target state you know those hardly ever happen and the know those hardly ever happen and the know those hardly ever happen and the reality is that people in the field the reality is that people in the field the reality is that people in the field the people operate stuff that people have to people operate stuff that people have to people operate stuff that people have to deliver have to make choices and they deliver have to make choices and they deliver have to make choices and they have to make better ones than the have to make better ones than the have to make better ones than the aspirational. So, I don't know why I'm aspirational. So, I don't know why I'm aspirational. So, I don't know why I'm ranting. Maybe I'm just like, ranting. Maybe I'm just like, ranting. Maybe I'm just like, but anyways, remember to take us but anyways, remember to take us but anyways, remember to take us seriously at your own at your own peril. seriously at your own at your own peril. seriously at your own at your own peril. >> Steve, I don't know what's going on, >> Steve, I don't know what's going on, >> Steve, I don't know what's going on, Steve. I don't know what's going on Steve. I don't know what's going on Steve. I don't know what's going on today, but I think we messed up with the today, but I think we messed up with the today, but I think we messed up with the prompt to generate learner this morning.

prompt to generate learner this morning. prompt to generate learner this morning. >> Yeah, I'm going K on everyone. >> Yeah, I'm going K on everyone. >> Yeah, I'm going K on everyone. >> I have that memo at all. >> I have that memo at all. >> I have that memo at all. >> Yeah, we're using perplexity too much. >> Yeah, we're using perplexity too much. >> Yeah, we're using perplexity too much. Actually, I still using the tool to do Actually, I still using the tool to do Actually, I still using the tool to do research and I will tell you, I don't research and I will tell you, I don't research and I will tell you, I don't care what anyone says, it's not that care what anyone says, it's not that care what anyone says, it's not that good. Um, for me, definitely not good good. Um, for me, definitely not good good. Um, for me, definitely not good enough. Um, I have to use duck.go the enough. Um, I have to use duck.go the enough. Um, I have to use duck.go the non the AI stuff because now actually non the AI stuff because now actually non the AI stuff because now actually duck.go is better than Google duck.go is better than Google duck.go is better than Google >> in a lot of instance. It's scary because >> in a lot of instance. It's scary because >> in a lot of instance. It's scary because what they do is they basically go to off what they do is they basically go to off what they do is they basically go to off tags and indexes indices and they do it tags and indexes indices and they do it tags and indexes indices and they do it the old school way which actually is the old school way which actually is the old school way which actually is more conducive to uh an individual doing more conducive to uh an individual doing more conducive to uh an individual doing research, right? Like sort of going research, right? Like sort of going research, right? Like sort of going through the cognitive exercise of trying through the cognitive exercise of trying through the cognitive exercise of trying to solve a problem or compose a thought, to solve a problem or compose a thought, to solve a problem or compose a thought, right? Or perspective right? Or perspective right? Or perspective >> feed it to you and it's it's >> feed it to you and it's it's >> feed it to you and it's it's dramatically it's not even generic. It's dramatically it's not even generic. It's dramatically it's not even generic. It's just crappy and a lot of times you spend just crappy and a lot of times you spend just crappy and a lot of times you spend a lot of time just unpacking stuff and a lot of time just unpacking stuff and a lot of time just unpacking stuff and then there's gaps everywhere. So anyway, then there's gaps everywhere. So anyway, then there's gaps everywhere. So anyway, >> well they have different objectives. I >> well they have different objectives. I >> well they have different objectives. I mean in the end Google objective is to mean in the end Google objective is to mean in the end Google objective is to sell you ads. So just as simple as that.

sell you ads. So just as simple as that. sell you ads. So just as simple as that. >> No, but you know the Gen AI tools, >> No, but you know the Gen AI tools, >> No, but you know the Gen AI tools, they're they're going to move in that they're they're going to move in that they're they're going to move in that direction. But the there there's direction. But the there there's direction. But the there there's something much more disturbing about the something much more disturbing about the something much more disturbing about the path the chasm they have to cross in path the chasm they have to cross in path the chasm they have to cross in order to get to monetization. And they order to get to monetization. And they order to get to monetization. And they don't have the mechanism to do that with don't have the mechanism to do that with don't have the mechanism to do that with privacy any remote um privacy protection privacy any remote um privacy protection privacy any remote um privacy protection or security controls. They don't know or security controls. They don't know or security controls. They don't know they don't know how to security trim they don't know how to security trim they don't know how to security trim these things. You know this is why these things. You know this is why these things. You know this is why enterprise enterprise gen AI has not enterprise enterprise gen AI has not enterprise enterprise gen AI has not happened to the extent that people think happened to the extent that people think happened to the extent that people think and and you know what is it the latest and and you know what is it the latest and and you know what is it the latest AWS conference they had a conference in AWS conference they had a conference in AWS conference they had a conference in New York I think um Swami uh was the New York I think um Swami uh was the New York I think um Swami uh was the head of um AI you know what what does he head of um AI you know what what does he head of um AI you know what what does he say we want to help you get out of P we say we want to help you get out of P we say we want to help you get out of P we want to help you get out of P think want to help you get out of P think want to help you get out of P think about it three years later they're still about it three years later they're still about it three years later they're still talking about hey we're g does this talking about hey we're g does this talking about hey we're g does this Sound familiar? People?

Sound familiar? People? Sound familiar? People? >> Does it sound familiar? >> Does it sound familiar? >> Does it sound familiar? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And you know, I'm I'm one of the few >> And you know, I'm I'm one of the few >> And you know, I'm I'm one of the few analysts from the very beginning who analysts from the very beginning who analysts from the very beginning who said, "This is not what you guys think said, "This is not what you guys think said, "This is not what you guys think it is." And guess what? Three years it is." And guess what? Three years it is." And guess what? Three years later, we're here at the same spot later, we're here at the same spot later, we're here at the same spot having a very familiar problem. having a very familiar problem. having a very familiar problem. >> But, you know, and the very interesting >> But, you know, and the very interesting >> But, you know, and the very interesting thing, I believe, is people are going to thing, I believe, is people are going to thing, I believe, is people are going to use AI anymore to do their work. So use AI anymore to do their work. So use AI anymore to do their work. So they're going to do it outside of the they're going to do it outside of the they're going to do it outside of the boundaries of the company. boundaries of the company. boundaries of the company. >> Yeah. Shadow AI. >> Yeah. Shadow AI. >> Yeah. Shadow AI. >> So it's >> So it's >> So it's >> Hey, what's up Mark? >> Hey, what's up Mark? >> Hey, what's up Mark? >> Big problem. Big big big big problem >> Big problem. Big big big big problem >> Big problem. Big big big big problem that people are not they're not that people are not they're not that people are not they're not contemplating the consequences yet. And contemplating the consequences yet. And contemplating the consequences yet. And you know Debbie Debbie I'm so glad you know Debbie Debbie I'm so glad you know Debbie Debbie I'm so glad you're on. How are you? Um, you're on. How are you? Um, you're on. How are you? Um, >> wow. >> wow. >> wow. >> What else you say for two year two and a >> What else you say for two year two and a >> What else you say for two year two and a half years? These things don't forget. half years? These things don't forget. half years? These things don't forget. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> What part of that >> What part of that >> What part of that >> doesn't register in people's brains? >> doesn't register in people's brains? >> doesn't register in people's brains? These things are not going to forget and These things are not going to forget and These things are not going to forget and they will not go through the effort.

they will not go through the effort. they will not go through the effort. Okay? Whoever hosts these things are not Okay? Whoever hosts these things are not Okay? Whoever hosts these things are not going to go through the effort of going to go through the effort of going to go through the effort of helping you figure out how to get these helping you figure out how to get these helping you figure out how to get these things to 100% forget. That's why like things to 100% forget. That's why like things to 100% forget. That's why like GDPR and all these data, you know, the GDPR and all these data, you know, the GDPR and all these data, you know, the privacy rights protection regulations privacy rights protection regulations privacy rights protection regulations are are are going to create a big are are are going to create a big are are are going to create a big problem for these companies if they problem for these companies if they problem for these companies if they stick. But who knows? I mean, everyone's stick. But who knows? I mean, everyone's stick. But who knows? I mean, everyone's drinking this generative AI Kool-Aid so drinking this generative AI Kool-Aid so drinking this generative AI Kool-Aid so hard, hard, hard, you know, talking about this problem you know, talking about this problem you know, talking about this problem because they're so pedal to the metal because they're so pedal to the metal because they're so pedal to the metal trying to sell the sovereign AI stuff. trying to sell the sovereign AI stuff. trying to sell the sovereign AI stuff. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, >> they have to because they've created >> they have to because they've created >> they have to because they've created this thesis that this is going to this thesis that this is going to this thesis that this is going to revolutionize the world to inspire revolutionize the world to inspire revolutionize the world to inspire people to, you know, invest a bill people to, you know, invest a bill people to, you know, invest a bill probably a trillion dollars, right? And probably a trillion dollars, right? And probably a trillion dollars, right? And there's they don't see any I mean I'm there's they don't see any I mean I'm there's they don't see any I mean I'm telling you where's the monetization telling you where's the monetization telling you where's the monetization they're monetiz they're you know under they're monetiz they're you know under they're monetiz they're you know under the you know in the lower parts of the the you know in the lower parts of the the you know in the lower parts of the stack stack stack there you know Nvidia is a GPUs to there you know Nvidia is a GPUs to there you know Nvidia is a GPUs to coreweave and then Microsoft is buying coreweave and then Microsoft is buying coreweave and then Microsoft is buying 70% of the capacity 70% of the capacity 70% of the capacity >> you know Leonard one very wise CTO CEO >> you know Leonard one very wise CTO CEO >> you know Leonard one very wise CTO CEO told me one day when when it comes to told me one day when when it comes to told me one day when when it comes to investors there's one thing you have to investors there's one thing you have to investors there's one thing you have to Remember one very important thing, it's Remember one very important thing, it's Remember one very important thing, it's their money.

their money. their money. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They can do whatever the crap they want >> They can do whatever the crap they want >> They can do whatever the crap they want with it. If they want wasted into stupid with it. If they want wasted into stupid with it. If they want wasted into stupid hype, it's their money. hype, it's their money. hype, it's their money. >> Yeah. No, but there are but at a macro >> Yeah. No, but there are but at a macro >> Yeah. No, but there are but at a macro level there are consequences because level there are consequences because level there are consequences because >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> And yeah, you're right. But we have to >> And yeah, you're right. But we have to >> And yeah, you're right. But we have to remember back in the day before let's remember back in the day before let's remember back in the day before let's say um brokerage became democratized. say um brokerage became democratized. say um brokerage became democratized. Okay. And a lot of people argue, we Okay. And a lot of people argue, we Okay. And a lot of people argue, we talked about democratize last episode. talked about democratize last episode. talked about democratize last episode. So if you're curious of that discussion, So if you're curious of that discussion, So if you're curious of that discussion, you can watch the previous um episode. you can watch the previous um episode. you can watch the previous um episode. People say, "Oh, democratization is People say, "Oh, democratization is People say, "Oh, democratization is great, right?" But then what it also great, right?" But then what it also great, right?" But then what it also does is what we've seen over the years does is what we've seen over the years does is what we've seen over the years is we've t we've seen this discipline is we've t we've seen this discipline is we've t we've seen this discipline around a nifty50 completely unravel and around a nifty50 completely unravel and around a nifty50 completely unravel and now we have a gambling machine. It is a now we have a gambling machine. It is a now we have a gambling machine. It is a straight up gambling machine, you know. straight up gambling machine, you know. straight up gambling machine, you know. Um, you know, uh, Steve, I know you're a Um, you know, uh, Steve, I know you're a Um, you know, uh, Steve, I know you're a big crypto guy. You're making crap tons big crypto guy. You're making crap tons big crypto guy. You're making crap tons of money on that stuff, but it's a of money on that stuff, but it's a of money on that stuff, but it's a gambling. There's consequences for that. gambling. There's consequences for that. gambling. There's consequences for that. And I had to explain to my mom. I will And I had to explain to my mom. I will And I had to explain to my mom. I will tell you, I was there from the very tell you, I was there from the very tell you, I was there from the very beginning of the blockchain crypto beginning of the blockchain crypto beginning of the blockchain crypto thing. I saw everything in the beginning thing. I saw everything in the beginning thing. I saw everything in the beginning or not everything but a lot of stuff in or not everything but a lot of stuff in or not everything but a lot of stuff in the beginning as an analyst looking at the beginning as an analyst looking at the beginning as an analyst looking at that industry um trying to figure out that industry um trying to figure out that industry um trying to figure out okay all these ICOs and these jokers okay all these ICOs and these jokers okay all these ICOs and these jokers that are going around saying they're that are going around saying they're that are going around saying they're going to save the world how are they going to save the world how are they going to save the world how are they going to do it none of them had any clue going to do it none of them had any clue going to do it none of them had any clue helium helium helium where did Helium go last Helium mobile meeting I went to I

last Helium mobile meeting I went to I had to take a shower as soon as I got had to take a shower as soon as I got had to take a shower as soon as I got out of there I was like I got to go I out of there I was like I got to go I out of there I was like I got to go I can't I can't Yeah. Yeah. You know, you can't I can't Yeah. Yeah. You know, you can't I can't Yeah. Yeah. You know, you feel like you're at some sort of like feel like you're at some sort of like feel like you're at some sort of like weird, you know, freaking cult cult weird, you know, freaking cult cult weird, you know, freaking cult cult event, right? I mean, I for me it's just event, right? I mean, I for me it's just event, right? I mean, I for me it's just that kind of stuff is like icky as hell, that kind of stuff is like icky as hell, that kind of stuff is like icky as hell, >> you know. But there's people who are >> you know. But there's people who are >> you know. But there's people who are drawn to it, you know, like drawn to it, you know, like drawn to it, you know, like >> listen and now it now it's a fun crypto >> listen and now it now it's a fun crypto >> listen and now it now it's a fun crypto thing, right? Seeing where all these thing, right? Seeing where all these thing, right? Seeing where all these things go, where XRP goes, where all things go, where XRP goes, where all things go, where XRP goes, where all these guy just to just to kind of see these guy just to just to kind of see these guy just to just to kind of see >> how crazy we can get. I mean, if I get >> how crazy we can get. I mean, if I get >> how crazy we can get. I mean, if I get up to $150, $200,000 a coin. I mean, up to $150, $200,000 a coin. I mean, up to $150, $200,000 a coin. I mean, >> they're derivatives on top of >> they're derivatives on top of >> they're derivatives on top of derivatives. Kind of like how we went derivatives. Kind of like how we went derivatives. Kind of like how we went from LLM toes to um you know, um now the from LLM toes to um you know, um now the from LLM toes to um you know, um now the multimodal stuff and then we went to uh multimodal stuff and then we went to uh multimodal stuff and then we went to uh you know, a Gentic. We're at a Gentic you know, a Gentic. We're at a Gentic you know, a Gentic. We're at a Gentic now. And then they're throwing physical now. And then they're throwing physical now. And then they're throwing physical on top of it. and no consideration about on top of it. and no consideration about on top of it. and no consideration about how hard it is to actually do any stuff how hard it is to actually do any stuff how hard it is to actually do any stuff remotely. Well, remotely. Well, remotely. Well, no one talks about that secure private.

no one talks about that secure private. no one talks about that secure private. No one talks about that responsibly. No one talks about that responsibly. No one talks about that responsibly. Absolutely nobody talks about that. Absolutely nobody talks about that. Absolutely nobody talks about that. >> Even part of >> Even part of >> Even part of >> part of a gentic is and this points back >> part of a gentic is and this points back >> part of a gentic is and this points back to privacy and the thing I think we to privacy and the thing I think we to privacy and the thing I think we talked about this before and this is talked about this before and this is talked about this before and this is kind of personalization. So a gentic is kind of personalization. So a gentic is kind of personalization. So a gentic is just a dressed up coat on top of just a dressed up coat on top of just a dressed up coat on top of personalization. And whenever you hear personalization. And whenever you hear personalization. And whenever you hear personalization, it just means they want personalization, it just means they want personalization, it just means they want more data or more information about you. more data or more information about you. more data or more information about you. And so that may be one way that they're And so that may be one way that they're And so that may be one way that they're trying to go around some of the privacy trying to go around some of the privacy trying to go around some of the privacy laws by they're saying, you know, we can laws by they're saying, you know, we can laws by they're saying, you know, we can have this agent do all these cool things have this agent do all these cool things have this agent do all these cool things for you and then you're going to give us for you and then you're going to give us for you and then you're going to give us information that you maybe you would not information that you maybe you would not information that you maybe you would not not have otherwise given them. So, it's not have otherwise given them. So, it's not have otherwise given them. So, it's uh it's yeah, it's got to be interesting uh it's yeah, it's got to be interesting uh it's yeah, it's got to be interesting to see how that plays out. to see how that plays out. to see how that plays out. >> Yeah. But I think here's a really >> Yeah. But I think here's a really >> Yeah. But I think here's a really frightening dynamic, Debbie, is that frightening dynamic, Debbie, is that frightening dynamic, Debbie, is that before it used to be, you know, in order before it used to be, you know, in order before it used to be, you know, in order to get someone's um personally personal to get someone's um personally personal to get someone's um personally personal identified information as well as just identified information as well as just identified information as well as just data period. um the dark economy guys, data period. um the dark economy guys, data period. um the dark economy guys, the hackers and these guys had to depend the hackers and these guys had to depend the hackers and these guys had to depend on you know like the Cambridge Analytas on you know like the Cambridge Analytas on you know like the Cambridge Analytas and the the um you know the data leaks and the the um you know the data leaks and the the um you know the data leaks right or or and you know the digital right or or and you know the digital right or or and you know the digital marketing guys the data brokers who are marketing guys the data brokers who are marketing guys the data brokers who are going around selling people's going around selling people's going around selling people's information information information um they had to rely on that is going to um they had to rely on that is going to um they had to rely on that is going to be reversed now now that there have been be reversed now now that there have been be reversed now now that there have been so many data breaches with social so many data breaches with social so many data breaches with social security numbers and everyone's you

security numbers and everyone's you security numbers and everyone's you medical records and stuff on the dark medical records and stuff on the dark medical records and stuff on the dark web. It'll be the other way around. web. It'll be the other way around. web. It'll be the other way around. You'll have all these guys trying to You'll have all these guys trying to You'll have all these guys trying to figure out how do I monetize uh Agentic figure out how do I monetize uh Agentic figure out how do I monetize uh Agentic AI, they're going to tap the dark web. AI, they're going to tap the dark web. AI, they're going to tap the dark web. >> But I think maybe they have to because >> But I think maybe they have to because >> But I think maybe they have to because you know what? If they can't make money you know what? If they can't make money you know what? If they can't make money with available data, they're going to with available data, they're going to with available data, they're going to tap whatever it takes because tap whatever it takes because tap whatever it takes because >> they're the chase for return >> they're the chase for return >> they're the chase for return is is is >> exactly >> exactly >> exactly >> is on. But I you know I think comment on >> is on. But I you know I think comment on >> is on. But I you know I think comment on this I think we should be uh especially this I think we should be uh especially this I think we should be uh especially in this show we should be uh more more in this show we should be uh more more in this show we should be uh more more descriptive and more accurate because descriptive and more accurate because descriptive and more accurate because when you say personal data you know when you say personal data you know when you say personal data you know people are going to think oh my home people are going to think oh my home people are going to think oh my home address you know my social security address you know my social security address you know my social security number what is happening at the moment number what is happening at the moment number what is happening at the moment is much much beyond that. It's not just is much much beyond that. It's not just is much much beyond that. It's not just personal data it's surveillance. It's personal data it's surveillance. It's personal data it's surveillance. It's surveillance at scale. Those systems spy surveillance at scale. Those systems spy surveillance at scale. Those systems spy on you and capture data about your on you and capture data about your on you and capture data about your behavior. And we had this conversation behavior. And we had this conversation behavior. And we had this conversation in last show and my my vocation was you in last show and my my vocation was you in last show and my my vocation was you know first advertising should totally know first advertising should totally know first advertising should totally ban but if you don't totally ban it at ban but if you don't totally ban it at ban but if you don't totally ban it at least behavioral advertising should be least behavioral advertising should be least behavioral advertising should be totally banned by law because these totally banned by law because these totally banned by law because these systems are basically and that's why I systems are basically and that's why I systems are basically and that's why I said they spy on you they go beyond said they spy on you they go beyond said they spy on you they go beyond knowing your social security number and knowing your social security number and knowing your social security number and when you leave they already know that when you leave they already know that when you leave they already know that but now they look at what you do they but now they look at what you do they but now they look at what you do they look at pattern and they craft some look at pattern and they craft some look at pattern and they craft some communication just to make you buy more communication just to make you buy more communication just to make you buy more stuff. Exactly. I'm sorry, Bob. You're stuff. Exactly. I'm sorry, Bob. You're stuff. Exactly. I'm sorry, Bob. You're on mute. But you definitely caught that on mute. But you definitely caught that on mute. But you definitely caught that in my natural I didn't do it on purpose.

>> It's my Italian. But yeah, >> It's my Italian. But yeah, >> it is. It was manipulation, right? So, a >> it is. It was manipulation, right? So, a >> it is. It was manipulation, right? So, a manipulation at scale. At scale. manipulation at scale. At scale. manipulation at scale. At scale. >> But it's manipulation based on >> But it's manipulation based on >> But it's manipulation based on surveillance. Because you know, in the surveillance. Because you know, in the surveillance. Because you know, in the past, if you wanted to manipulate past, if you wanted to manipulate past, if you wanted to manipulate people, you had to be in front of them, people, you had to be in front of them, people, you had to be in front of them, have a conversation, and use language have a conversation, and use language have a conversation, and use language tricks. Now you just you know make them tricks. Now you just you know make them tricks. Now you just you know make them visit your website. visit your website. visit your website. >> You know it's it's data that you don't >> You know it's it's data that you don't >> You know it's it's data that you don't know that it exists. Not not that it know that it exists. Not not that it know that it exists. Not not that it exists that even you don't understand as exists that even you don't understand as exists that even you don't understand as as your as yourself. So probably they as your as yourself. So probably they as your as yourself. So probably they have uh your psychological profile that have uh your psychological profile that have uh your psychological profile that probably you don't know you don't know probably you don't know you don't know probably you don't know you don't know that well how you are or how you behave that well how you are or how you behave that well how you are or how you behave in specific situations and they know. So in specific situations and they know. So in specific situations and they know. So it's data that actually you don't know it's data that actually you don't know it's data that actually you don't know that uh no that uh that uh no that uh that uh no that uh >> how you behave sometimes and they have >> how you behave sometimes and they have >> how you behave sometimes and they have it it it >> here. The startup idea here is to >> here. The startup idea here is to >> here. The startup idea here is to actually create agents which are totally actually create agents which are totally actually create agents which are totally personal analyze you and gives you this personal analyze you and gives you this personal analyze you and gives you this information. Hey you should be careful information. Hey you should be careful information. Hey you should be careful because by doing this you're displaying because by doing this you're displaying because by doing this you're displaying that which somebody's going to capture.

that which somebody's going to capture. that which somebody's going to capture. So use this as a defense against those So use this as a defense against those So use this as a defense against those system but system but system but >> yeah but you need a holistic system >> yeah but you need a holistic system >> yeah but you need a holistic system >> who's going to pay who's going to pay >> who's going to pay who's going to pay >> who's going to pay who's going to pay for that. Yeah, trust is falling apart for that. Yeah, trust is falling apart for that. Yeah, trust is falling apart and then that's where we talked about and then that's where we talked about and then that's where we talked about last week government has a role and last week government has a role and last week government has a role and somehow we have to establish you know somehow we have to establish you know somehow we have to establish you know sort of a broadly trusted sort of a broadly trusted sort of a broadly trusted you know broadly trusted institutions you know broadly trusted institutions you know broadly trusted institutions whether they're government or what have whether they're government or what have whether they're government or what have you and maybe the the blockchain crypto you and maybe the the blockchain crypto you and maybe the the blockchain crypto guys will start bringing up what you guys will start bringing up what you guys will start bringing up what you know D what is that distributed DAC or know D what is that distributed DAC or know D what is that distributed DAC or some crap like that some crap like that some crap like that >> but a Mozilla Foundation for example >> but a Mozilla Foundation for example >> but a Mozilla Foundation for example Dows. Yeah, there there it is. Bring up Dows. Yeah, there there it is. Bring up Dows. Yeah, there there it is. Bring up Dows to do that and then that'll Dows to do that and then that'll Dows to do that and then that'll probably screw everything up even more. probably screw everything up even more. probably screw everything up even more. >> But crypto is not an answer for that. >> But crypto is not an answer for that. >> But crypto is not an answer for that. Crypto is good to make sure that things Crypto is good to make sure that things Crypto is good to make sure that things are persist are persist are persist theoretical answer for a lot of people. theoretical answer for a lot of people. theoretical answer for a lot of people. That's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem. >> Let me let me say one thing to clarify >> Let me let me say one thing to clarify >> Let me let me say one thing to clarify for our audience. There's only one for our audience. There's only one for our audience. There's only one there's really only one use case for there's really only one use case for there's really only one use case for crypto. The only use case is crypto. The only use case is crypto. The only use case is immutability. That's all it is.

immutability. That's all it is. immutability. That's all it is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Crypto is a technology not to make >> Crypto is a technology not to make >> Crypto is a technology not to make money. It's a technology that can give money. It's a technology that can give money. It's a technology that can give you a certain level of guarantee that you a certain level of guarantee that you a certain level of guarantee that something will not be changed in the something will not be changed in the something will not be changed in the past. Something past. Something past. Something >> crypto is different. Um the blockchain >> crypto is different. Um the blockchain >> crypto is different. Um the blockchain technology is what you just technology is what you just technology is what you just don't don't don't >> Yeah. But cryp crypto is just a fantasy >> Yeah. But cryp crypto is just a fantasy >> Yeah. But cryp crypto is just a fantasy on top of blockchain. So on top of blockchain. So on top of blockchain. So >> no but no separate the DLT separate the DLT like you know BLT de you know like you know BLT de you know like you know BLT de you know deconstruct it right deconstruct it right deconstruct it right >> you know the bacon and the bread dude >> you know the bacon and the bread dude >> you know the bacon and the bread dude >> I'm going to tell you one thing actually >> I'm going to tell you one thing actually >> I'm going to tell you one thing actually building on that the use case for crypto building on that the use case for crypto building on that the use case for crypto because there's immutability and it can because there's immutability and it can because there's immutability and it can be done distributed without any central be done distributed without any central be done distributed without any central authority is that the only use case of authority is that the only use case of authority is that the only use case of crypto is to eliminate banks because you crypto is to eliminate banks because you crypto is to eliminate banks because you don't need them anymore. But no do that. But no do that. >> No, that was Bitcoin, right? That was >> No, that was Bitcoin, right? That was >> No, that was Bitcoin, right? That was Bitcoin, right? Bitcoin, right? Bitcoin, right? >> Not crypto. >> Not crypto. >> Not crypto. >> No, but yeah, this is but this is the >> No, but yeah, this is but this is the >> No, but yeah, this is but this is the fundamental of crypto. The fundamental fundamental of crypto. The fundamental fundamental of crypto. The fundamental of crypto is that you can actually do of crypto is that you can actually do of crypto is that you can actually do extremely secure, immutable transfer of extremely secure, immutable transfer of extremely secure, immutable transfer of value without any need for a centralized value without any need for a centralized value without any need for a centralized entity.

entity. entity. >> Yeah. But Coinbase Coinbase has got so >> Yeah. But Coinbase Coinbase has got so >> Yeah. But Coinbase Coinbase has got so many problems. I'm not sure if you many problems. I'm not sure if you many problems. I'm not sure if you utilize them as your entity of utilize them as your entity of utilize them as your entity of >> Yeah. And the reason why is because do >> Yeah. And the reason why is because do >> Yeah. And the reason why is because do you think that the banking system we've you think that the banking system we've you think that the banking system we've built the whole complete society on top built the whole complete society on top built the whole complete society on top of wants to decree? of wants to decree? of wants to decree? >> No, I agree with Steve. It's much more >> No, I agree with Steve. It's much more >> No, I agree with Steve. It's much more complicated than that. You have to complicated than that. You have to complicated than that. You have to separate otherwise you separate otherwise you separate otherwise you >> lost we've lost thousands of dollars in >> lost we've lost thousands of dollars in >> lost we've lost thousands of dollars in Coinbase. I mean we just don't know Coinbase. I mean we just don't know Coinbase. I mean we just don't know where to we can't get one coin to come where to we can't get one coin to come where to we can't get one coin to come into another coin. It you can't move it into another coin. It you can't move it into another coin. It you can't move it to an account. Yeah, North Korea thanks to an account. Yeah, North Korea thanks to an account. Yeah, North Korea thanks you by the way you by the way you by the way >> because we have really >> because we have really >> because we have really >> they're going like this. >> they're going like this. >> they're going like this. >> Let me answer on that. The reason >> Let me answer on that. The reason >> Let me answer on that. The reason >> like this you mean >> like this you mean >> like this you mean >> no no the answer the answer for that >> no no the answer the answer for that >> no no the answer the answer for that Steve is because we do not and I've been Steve is because we do not and I've been Steve is because we do not and I've been asking that since the very very very asking that since the very very very asking that since the very very very beginning of crypto and blockchain. Give beginning of crypto and blockchain. Give beginning of crypto and blockchain. Give me one example of a human construct that me one example of a human construct that me one example of a human construct that doesn't rely on a centralized authority.

doesn't rely on a centralized authority. doesn't rely on a centralized authority. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> societies are not designed for that. >> societies are not designed for that. >> societies are not designed for that. >> Totally agree. >> Totally agree. >> Totally agree. >> Were we would have defined a distributed >> Were we would have defined a distributed >> Were we would have defined a distributed infrastructure that is wellmaintainable infrastructure that is wellmaintainable infrastructure that is wellmaintainable and that would have make that the and that would have make that the and that would have make that the coinbased [ __ ] didn't happen. But we coinbased [ __ ] didn't happen. But we coinbased [ __ ] didn't happen. But we do not function that way as societies. do not function that way as societies. do not function that way as societies. We function with centralized We function with centralized We function with centralized authorities. So technology that authorities. So technology that authorities. So technology that eliminate that is fundamentally against eliminate that is fundamentally against eliminate that is fundamentally against what we for centuries. This is the what we for centuries. This is the what we for centuries. This is the problem. Like I'm sorry it is that problem. Like I'm sorry it is that problem. Like I'm sorry it is that simple. It's it's a very fundamental simple. It's it's a very fundamental simple. It's it's a very fundamental concept that people do not understand. concept that people do not understand. concept that people do not understand. This technology is about This technology is about This technology is about decentralization. Give me an example of decentralization. Give me an example of decentralization. Give me an example of a human construct that work that way. a human construct that work that way. a human construct that work that way. >> And so this is why this is why the only >> And so this is why this is why the only >> And so this is why this is why the only coins I use are the gold coins you see coins I use are the gold coins you see coins I use are the gold coins you see in the John Wick movies. in the John Wick movies. in the John Wick movies. >> You know that's right. And and so like >> You know that's right. And and so like >> You know that's right. And and so like when I check in at the Continental, I when I check in at the Continental, I when I check in at the Continental, I just kind of move you slide the coin just kind of move you slide the coin just kind of move you slide the coin across. across. across. >> So Rob Rob, remind me when you're saying >> So Rob Rob, remind me when you're saying >> So Rob Rob, remind me when you're saying your house because I want to bring a big your house because I want to bring a big your house because I want to bring a big hammer and go into the garage. hammer and go into the garage. hammer and go into the garage. >> Okay. Yes. The house is actually >> Okay. Yes. The house is actually >> Okay. Yes. The house is actually supposed to appear and go on the market supposed to appear and go on the market supposed to appear and go on the market this morning.

this morning. this morning. >> Oh wow. >> Oh wow. >> Oh wow. >> You see you've seen the John Wick movie >> You see you've seen the John Wick movie >> You see you've seen the John Wick movie when he stole a bunch of coins in his when he stole a bunch of coins in his when he stole a bunch of coins in his garage on garage on garage on >> Yeah, absolutely. I have it underground. >> Yeah, absolutely. I have it underground. >> Yeah, absolutely. I have it underground. It's right there. It's right there. It's right there. >> Along with along with the weapons. >> Along with along with the weapons. >> Along with along with the weapons. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> My god. >> My god. >> My god. >> I need guns. Lots of guns. >> I need guns. Lots of guns. >> I need guns. Lots of guns. >> You're in the wrong place. You need to >> You're in the wrong place. You need to >> You're in the wrong place. You need to come back down to the promised land. come back down to the promised land. come back down to the promised land. Bring them. Bring them. Bring them. >> That's where I'm That's I'm coming. I'm >> That's where I'm That's I'm coming. I'm >> That's where I'm That's I'm coming. I'm coming. coming. coming. >> How close are you coming? Let's go. Come >> How close are you coming? Let's go. Come >> How close are you coming? Let's go. Come on, baby. Let's go. on, baby. Let's go. on, baby. Let's go. >> I know. I know. We got to sell this >> I know. I know. We got to sell this >> I know. I know. We got to sell this house first. Yeah. house first. Yeah. house first. Yeah. >> Fun. Fun. And >> Fun. Fun. And >> Fun. Fun. And >> so, but two things. What one of the >> so, but two things. What one of the >> so, but two things. What one of the things that I wanted to bring up about things that I wanted to bring up about things that I wanted to bring up about um about back to AI? So, my wife owns a um about back to AI? So, my wife owns a um about back to AI? So, my wife owns a pretty large digital marketing agency pretty large digital marketing agency pretty large digital marketing agency for last the last 20some years. She had for last the last 20some years. She had for last the last 20some years. She had a client this week come to her and say, a client this week come to her and say, a client this week come to her and say, "Listen, I use chat GPT this week and it "Listen, I use chat GPT this week and it "Listen, I use chat GPT this week and it tells me that I only have three keywords tells me that I only have three keywords tells me that I only have three keywords on my homepage." >> Is that what you want to do that? Hold >> Is that what you want to do that? Hold on a second. Denise goes like this, like on a second. Denise goes like this, like on a second. Denise goes like this, like this, like this comes up. You have 350 this, like this comes up. You have 350 this, like this comes up. You have 350 keywords on the homepage. But if you keywords on the homepage. But if you keywords on the homepage. But if you want to believe chat GPT and go with want to believe chat GPT and go with want to believe chat GPT and go with that kind of information for your that kind of information for your that kind of information for your business strategy, your marketing go to business strategy, your marketing go to business strategy, your marketing go to market strategy, market strategy, market strategy, >> go forth and conquer. We're the wrong >> go forth and conquer. We're the wrong >> go forth and conquer. We're the wrong firm for it because you know more than I firm for it because you know more than I firm for it because you know more than I do because Chad GBT knows.

do because Chad GBT knows. do because Chad GBT knows. >> Oh, no. I love it. You know what? Let >> Oh, no. I love it. You know what? Let >> Oh, no. I love it. You know what? Let everyone else everyone else everyone else run their business off of run their business off of run their business off of hallucinations. hallucinations. hallucinations. I I I'm all for people using it. Go I I I'm all for people using it. Go I I I'm all for people using it. Go ahead, knock yourself out. Analyst ahead, knock yourself out. Analyst ahead, knock yourself out. Analyst firms, use it and then make my life firms, use it and then make my life firms, use it and then make my life easier and eventually I will take all easier and eventually I will take all easier and eventually I will take all your freaking business because you know your freaking business because you know your freaking business because you know you're now you're completely not only you're now you're completely not only you're now you're completely not only are you lazy, you're completely you're are you lazy, you're completely you're are you lazy, you're completely you're putting things out that are completely putting things out that are completely putting things out that are completely detached from reality and that that's detached from reality and that that's detached from reality and that that's good business. I mean, we're we're good business. I mean, we're we're good business. I mean, we're we're already we're already seeing posts. already we're already seeing posts. already we're already seeing posts. >> We're seeing posts on the LinkedIn >> We're seeing posts on the LinkedIn >> We're seeing posts on the LinkedIn machine where it's like the death of machine where it's like the death of machine where it's like the death of consulting because of chat GBT. consulting because of chat GBT. consulting because of chat GBT. >> Companies don't need consultants anymore >> Companies don't need consultants anymore >> Companies don't need consultants anymore cuz other projects fail anyway. cuz other projects fail anyway. cuz other projects fail anyway. >> It depends. If you are in the variety of >> It depends. If you are in the variety of >> It depends. If you are in the variety of consulting where you're just making crap consulting where you're just making crap consulting where you're just making crap up, yes, you're endangered species. up, yes, you're endangered species. up, yes, you're endangered species. >> That's what that's what I wanted to say. >> That's what that's what I wanted to say. >> That's what that's what I wanted to say. There's a lot of consultant that There's a lot of consultant that There's a lot of consultant that actually will be eliminated by by JGBD.

actually will be eliminated by by JGBD. actually will be eliminated by by JGBD. >> God, I hope it comes soon. >> God, I hope it comes soon. >> God, I hope it comes soon. >> A lot of them. A lot of them. >> A lot of them. A lot of them. >> A lot of them. A lot of them. >> And then and letter by the way, as it >> And then and letter by the way, as it >> And then and letter by the way, as it relates to it, has have you had any relates to it, has have you had any relates to it, has have you had any clients in next curve say to you that clients in next curve say to you that clients in next curve say to you that you needed to add a AI generated clause you needed to add a AI generated clause you needed to add a AI generated clause in your agreement at all? Like what what in your agreement at all? Like what what in your agreement at all? Like what what like your stuff is not like your stuff is not like your stuff is not >> we have had clients and we've added it >> we have had clients and we've added it >> we have had clients and we've added it now to our contracts where we have to now to our contracts where we have to now to our contracts where we have to disclose to them if any reports utilized disclose to them if any reports utilized disclose to them if any reports utilized any AI engines in what we reported to any AI engines in what we reported to any AI engines in what we reported to them. them. them. >> I I don't think I need to do that >> I I don't think I need to do that >> I I don't think I need to do that because people know that I I wouldn't do because people know that I I wouldn't do because people know that I I wouldn't do that. that. that. >> They trust I know I just >> They trust I know I just >> They trust I know I just >> I would happily sign it. I have no >> I would happily sign it. I have no >> I would happily sign it. I have no problems at all either. I was just problems at all either. I was just problems at all either. I was just >> I can't say that for other analysts. >> I can't say that for other analysts. >> I can't say that for other analysts. >> Insurance with their product. >> Insurance with their product. >> Insurance with their product. >> I totally expect this. I expect that to >> I totally expect this. I expect that to >> I totally expect this. I expect that to be widespread. Actually, that started be widespread. Actually, that started be widespread. Actually, that started like 2 years ago on Amazon. If you're an like 2 years ago on Amazon. If you're an like 2 years ago on Amazon. If you're an author and you publish books on Amazon's author and you publish books on Amazon's author and you publish books on Amazon's KDP thing, they added a checkbox. Did KDP thing, they added a checkbox. Did KDP thing, they added a checkbox. Did you include any AI generated content in you include any AI generated content in you include any AI generated content in your book?

your book? your book? >> No, no one does it. They they're just >> No, no one does it. They they're just >> No, no one does it. They they're just like freaking like freaking like freaking >> but but video guys we we we chatted >> but but video guys we we we chatted >> but but video guys we we we chatted about that I believe last week or the a about that I believe last week or the a about that I believe last week or the a few weeks before but the problem is few weeks before but the problem is few weeks before but the problem is people are lazy. people are lazy. people are lazy. >> So true >> So true >> So true >> they're trying to use AI to replace >> they're trying to use AI to replace >> they're trying to use AI to replace things they and I think we very things they and I think we very things they and I think we very specifically do spoke about that I use specifically do spoke about that I use specifically do spoke about that I use it a lot but I use it as an assistant. I it a lot but I use it as an assistant. I it a lot but I use it as an assistant. I iterate with the stuff and there are a iterate with the stuff and there are a iterate with the stuff and there are a number of tasks actually I'm gonna I'm number of tasks actually I'm gonna I'm number of tasks actually I'm gonna I'm gonna be with Rob on the on that where gonna be with Rob on the on that where gonna be with Rob on the on that where he mentioned a few weeks ago that you he mentioned a few weeks ago that you he mentioned a few weeks ago that you know he developed a new project and know he developed a new project and know he developed a new project and coded this old AI just infrastructure coded this old AI just infrastructure coded this old AI just infrastructure using code generation for code using code generation for code using code generation for code generation if you act as an architect generation if you act as an architect generation if you act as an architect you can do some actually really really you can do some actually really really you can do some actually really really great stuff with it but if you just great stuff with it but if you just great stuff with it but if you just think that you're going to drop two think that you're going to drop two think that you're going to drop two sentences in a prompt and it's going to sentences in a prompt and it's going to sentences in a prompt and it's going to generate a fully reliable robust scale generate a fully reliable robust scale generate a fully reliable robust scale available resilient system for you. No, available resilient system for you. No, available resilient system for you. No, it's like everything you have to do the it's like everything you have to do the it's like everything you have to do the hard work. But if you use it as an hard work. But if you use it as an hard work. But if you use it as an assistant on task, it is actually very assistant on task, it is actually very assistant on task, it is actually very very good. So if you're building a very good. So if you're building a very good. So if you're building a report and you want some portion of it report and you want some portion of it report and you want some portion of it to be done by AI because there are like to be done by AI because there are like to be done by AI because there are like 100 pages of document to scan and 100 pages of document to scan and 100 pages of document to scan and actually extract the keywords. By the actually extract the keywords. By the actually extract the keywords. By the way, Steve, I think in your example, the way, Steve, I think in your example, the way, Steve, I think in your example, the guy doesn't know how to use CH GPT guy doesn't know how to use CH GPT guy doesn't know how to use CH GPT because he probably only crawled the because he probably only crawled the because he probably only crawled the front page and not all websites. So front page and not all websites. So front page and not all websites. So that's exactly a perfect example is you that's exactly a perfect example is you that's exactly a perfect example is you get an idiots that just ask one question get an idiots that just ask one question get an idiots that just ask one question GBT instead of look at the website make

GBT instead of look at the website make GBT instead of look at the website make sure you crawl on the page give me the sure you crawl on the page give me the sure you crawl on the page give me the count of the page you watch but yeah but count of the page you watch but yeah but count of the page you watch but yeah but that you know what the thing is is it that you know what the thing is is it that you know what the thing is is it should be able to do that because people should be able to do that because people should be able to do that because people believe that it will give them the right believe that it will give them the right believe that it will give them the right answer you know here's the problem answer you know here's the problem answer you know here's the problem because because because >> you know you know what convenience is >> you know you know what convenience is >> you know you know what convenience is convenience and why people love it so convenience and why people love it so convenience and why people love it so much convenience is basically a nice way much convenience is basically a nice way much convenience is basically a nice way of saying to your customers your ass is of saying to your customers your ass is of saying to your customers your ass is lazy lazy lazy So we came up something that will allow So we came up something that will allow So we came up something that will allow you cater to your proclivity to be a you cater to your proclivity to be a you cater to your proclivity to be a lazy ass. I mean lazy ass. I mean lazy ass. I mean >> look at the stats. Look at the stats >> look at the stats. Look at the stats >> look at the stats. Look at the stats that came out about education and the that came out about education and the that came out about education and the use and how many people are how many use and how many people are how many use and how many people are how many students are using students are using students are using >> every form of AI for putting in papers >> every form of AI for putting in papers >> every form of AI for putting in papers and documents and so and all this stuff and documents and so and all this stuff and documents and so and all this stuff in school. These guys have no brains. in school. These guys have no brains. in school. These guys have no brains. They can't figure [ __ ] out themselves. They can't figure [ __ ] out themselves. They can't figure [ __ ] out themselves. >> No, but but you know I'm gonna Hey, >> No, but but you know I'm gonna Hey, >> No, but but you know I'm gonna Hey, Steve. I'm going to take the side of the Steve. I'm going to take the side of the Steve. I'm going to take the side of the students here. students here. students here. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. My point is the following. If they >> Yeah. My point is the following. If they >> Yeah. My point is the following. If they were not asked to solve stupid problems were not asked to solve stupid problems were not asked to solve stupid problems that have already been solved and that have already been solved and that have already been solved and documented.

documented. documented. So it's the education. I think it's So it's the education. I think it's So it's the education. I think it's actually great for me AI in the actually great for me AI in the actually great for me AI in the education system. This school is going education system. This school is going education system. This school is going to completely destroy the way we do to completely destroy the way we do to completely destroy the way we do education which is completely stupid. We education which is completely stupid. We education which is completely stupid. We ask again we ask student to learn some ask again we ask student to learn some ask again we ask student to learn some stuff and repeat things that have been stuff and repeat things that have been stuff and repeat things that have been done for decades. We don't ask them to done for decades. We don't ask them to done for decades. We don't ask them to absorb and work on new innovative simp absorb and work on new innovative simp absorb and work on new innovative simp you know critical thinking aspect that's you know critical thinking aspect that's you know critical thinking aspect that's not the perfect if if AI can make not the perfect if if AI can make not the perfect if if AI can make surface the fact that the education surface the fact that the education surface the fact that the education system is overall wrong good system is overall wrong good system is overall wrong good >> you leaving >> you leaving >> you leaving >> I just talked >> I just talked >> I just talked >> I got to jump to another call >> I got to jump to another call >> I got to jump to another call >> I might be back I might be back you >> I might be back I might be back you >> I might be back I might be back you never know never know never know >> see you in a bit >> see you in a bit >> see you in a bit >> I know I I've previously taught um >> I know I I've previously taught um >> I know I I've previously taught um postgrad and uh was an adjunct at the postgrad and uh was an adjunct at the postgrad and uh was an adjunct at the law school and all this stuff. So at law school and all this stuff. So at law school and all this stuff. So at Georgetown University and AI wouldn't Georgetown University and AI wouldn't Georgetown University and AI wouldn't doesn't bother me because the question I doesn't bother me because the question I doesn't bother me because the question I ask AI cannot answer. ask AI cannot answer. ask AI cannot answer. >> So I'm not I'm not asking stuff like >> So I'm not I'm not asking stuff like >> So I'm not I'm not asking stuff like George George Washington cut down a George George Washington cut down a George George Washington cut down a cherry tree. I'm saying what is your cherry tree. I'm saying what is your cherry tree. I'm saying what is your thought about X? You know what I'm thought about X? You know what I'm thought about X? You know what I'm saying? And so AI will give you the same saying? And so AI will give you the same saying? And so AI will give you the same sameish answer and it won't be able to sameish answer and it won't be able to sameish answer and it won't be able to answer the type of question that I would answer the type of question that I would answer the type of question that I would ask. So for me I don't care. I'm like ask. So for me I don't care. I'm like ask. So for me I don't care. I'm like try try try >> I'm 100% with you Debbie because you you >> I'm 100% with you Debbie because you you >> I'm 100% with you Debbie because you you all the others and there are many many all the others and there are many many all the others and there are many many many who actually you know teach and many who actually you know teach and many who actually you know teach and then ask some stupid things. Yeah, then ask some stupid things. Yeah, then ask some stupid things. Yeah, they're going to get the answer from me.

they're going to get the answer from me. they're going to get the answer from me. >> But but look, you need so education is >> But but look, you need so education is >> But but look, you need so education is about, you know, fundamentally about, you know, fundamentally about, you know, fundamentally fundamentals developing knowledge and co fundamentals developing knowledge and co fundamentals developing knowledge and co and going through cognitive exercises, and going through cognitive exercises, and going through cognitive exercises, right? Human cognitive exercises to say right? Human cognitive exercises to say right? Human cognitive exercises to say that you're you come out of college or that you're you come out of college or that you're you come out of college or university or grad school or you're in university or grad school or you're in university or grad school or you're in grade school innovating. Uh there are grade school innovating. Uh there are grade school innovating. Uh there are other activities to foster that side of other activities to foster that side of other activities to foster that side of the brain, right? and other exercises the brain, right? and other exercises the brain, right? and other exercises for that to and you know here's the for that to and you know here's the for that to and you know here's the other thing that I think we need to be other thing that I think we need to be other thing that I think we need to be very cautious about regarding education. very cautious about regarding education. very cautious about regarding education. It's not about productivity. It's about It's not about productivity. It's about It's not about productivity. It's about freaking learning. It's not about freaking learning. It's not about freaking learning. It's not about learning how to use a tool. It's about learning how to use a tool. It's about learning how to use a tool. It's about learning how to ask really great learning how to ask really great learning how to ask really great questions at the end of the day so that questions at the end of the day so that questions at the end of the day so that you don't just have this tool that you you don't just have this tool that you you don't just have this tool that you have no idea what to ask it. You're just have no idea what to ask it. You're just have no idea what to ask it. You're just going to ask a bunch of generic going to ask a bunch of generic going to ask a bunch of generic questions. You're not solving problems questions. You're not solving problems questions. You're not solving problems and this thing can't is not going to be and this thing can't is not going to be and this thing can't is not going to be able to help you the way that you think able to help you the way that you think able to help you the way that you think it can. Right? And so the what what's so it can. Right? And so the what what's so it can. Right? And so the what what's so dangerous right now is the absolute dangerous right now is the absolute dangerous right now is the absolute discounting discounting discounting of the human brain of the human brain of the human brain when every piece of evidence points when every piece of evidence points when every piece of evidence points toward toward toward this thing that we have in our head this thing that we have in our head this thing that we have in our head being being being supremely more powerful, more efficient supremely more powerful, more efficient supremely more powerful, more efficient than any of these massive supercomputing

than any of these massive supercomputing than any of these massive supercomputing data centers which which have a from data centers which which have a from data centers which which have a from purpose, right? purpose, right? purpose, right? >> But that doesn't sell shovels though. >> But that doesn't sell shovels though. >> But that doesn't sell shovels though. >> I I Well, yeah. And and I would advocate >> I I Well, yeah. And and I would advocate >> I I Well, yeah. And and I would advocate that there isn't a lot in the education that there isn't a lot in the education that there isn't a lot in the education system that is exist today that actually system that is exist today that actually system that is exist today that actually develop this critical thinking with with develop this critical thinking with with develop this critical thinking with with with with students and now with with students and now with with students and now >> right right another just that's why I'm >> right right another just that's why I'm >> right right another just that's why I'm saying there's now a tool that's going saying there's now a tool that's going saying there's now a tool that's going to be making the illusion that we're to be making the illusion that we're to be making the illusion that we're educating right educating right educating right >> because we don't want to invest in >> because we don't want to invest in >> because we don't want to invest in education okay uh culturally we're education okay uh culturally we're education okay uh culturally we're starting to unappreciate it and we And starting to unappreciate it and we And starting to unappreciate it and we And then we have educators who are under a then we have educators who are under a then we have educators who are under a lot of pressure that need convenience it lot of pressure that need convenience it lot of pressure that need convenience it not for being lazy for be for them to be not for being lazy for be for them to be not for being lazy for be for them to be more productive and to be able to to more productive and to be able to to more productive and to be able to to exercise their art. And I'll call it art exercise their art. And I'll call it art exercise their art. And I'll call it art cuz we we like to vilify teachers for cuz we we like to vilify teachers for cuz we we like to vilify teachers for some reason is the most unappreciated some reason is the most unappreciated some reason is the most unappreciated gig in the world. I mean, I think we all gig in the world. I mean, I think we all gig in the world. I mean, I think we all need to think back to when we were need to think back to when we were need to think back to when we were sending our kids to school and what sending our kids to school and what sending our kids to school and what these these folks do for us, which is these these folks do for us, which is these these folks do for us, which is number one, babysitting, number one, babysitting, number one, babysitting, okay? so that we can go to work, which okay? so that we can go to work, which okay? so that we can go to work, which I'm serious, everybody seems to forget I'm serious, everybody seems to forget I'm serious, everybody seems to forget in the US. We send our kids to school so in the US. We send our kids to school so in the US. We send our kids to school so that we can go to work and then they that we can go to work and then they that we can go to work and then they deal with their these kids weird deal with their these kids weird deal with their these kids weird attitudes in a classroom of 40 of them

attitudes in a classroom of 40 of them attitudes in a classroom of 40 of them or 50 of them and we don't even take our or 50 of them and we don't even take our or 50 of them and we don't even take our hats off to them. It's freaking hats off to them. It's freaking hats off to them. It's freaking horrible what we do. And then we we want horrible what we do. And then we we want horrible what we do. And then we we want to we want them to subsist on a a a to we want them to subsist on a a a to we want them to subsist on a a a freaking friars at McDonald's pay. freaking friars at McDonald's pay. freaking friars at McDonald's pay. And and this is more of the problem than And and this is more of the problem than And and this is more of the problem than even AI. even AI. even AI. >> The root cause of that, Leonard, is what >> The root cause of that, Leonard, is what >> The root cause of that, Leonard, is what you just said is babysitting. you just said is babysitting. you just said is babysitting. >> You don't give a [ __ ] about education is >> You don't give a [ __ ] about education is >> You don't give a [ __ ] about education is the root. the root. the root. >> Yeah, that's the point. Because I mean >> Yeah, that's the point. Because I mean >> Yeah, that's the point. Because I mean in the I remember when I grew up I was 5 in the I remember when I grew up I was 5 in the I remember when I grew up I was 5 years old and when when when when we had years old and when when when when we had years old and when when when when we had a question at home we couldn't answer a question at home we couldn't answer a question at home we couldn't answer and we didn't had the the encyclopedia. and we didn't had the the encyclopedia. and we didn't had the the encyclopedia. We'll go to see the teacher because he We'll go to see the teacher because he We'll go to see the teacher because he was the source of knowledge. was the source of knowledge. was the source of knowledge. >> You go to the library. >> You go to the library. >> You go to the library. >> He was a source of knowledge and he was >> He was a source of knowledge and he was >> He was a source of knowledge and he was also the source of education in the also the source of education in the also the source of education in the sense that he was giving a framework to sense that he was giving a framework to sense that he was giving a framework to the kids. Now day we've actually removed the kids. Now day we've actually removed the kids. Now day we've actually removed that from the teachers who said no we that from the teachers who said no we that from the teachers who said no we drop them to you. You have to take care drop them to you. You have to take care drop them to you. You have to take care of them, maybe see them, but you can't of them, maybe see them, but you can't of them, maybe see them, but you can't shout at them. You can't give them shout at them. You can't give them shout at them. You can't give them structure. You can't do you can't do structure. You can't do you can't do structure. You can't do you can't do that. You that. You that. You So, we've lowered the standard so bad by So, we've lowered the standard so bad by So, we've lowered the standard so bad by not giving the educators, they're not not giving the educators, they're not not giving the educators, they're not educators anymore. Exactly what you educators anymore. Exactly what you educators anymore. Exactly what you said, the babysitter. That's what we said, the babysitter. That's what we said, the babysitter. That's what we expect from them. And if you say to one expect from them. And if you say to one expect from them. And if you say to one of I don't know how it is exactly in the of I don't know how it is exactly in the of I don't know how it is exactly in the US, but in France, if the kids come back US, but in France, if the kids come back US, but in France, if the kids come back home and say, "Oh, the teacher was mean home and say, "Oh, the teacher was mean home and say, "Oh, the teacher was mean to me. He told me I was bad." The to me. He told me I was bad." The to me. He told me I was bad." The parents go to the teacher and the parents go to the teacher and the parents go to the teacher and the teacher is in problem. That didn't teacher is in problem. That didn't teacher is in problem. That didn't happen when I was a kid. When I was a

happen when I was a kid. When I was a happen when I was a kid. When I was a kid, they would do that. My father would kid, they would do that. My father would kid, they would do that. My father would say, "You screwed up. It's your say, "You screwed up. It's your say, "You screwed up. It's your problem." problem." problem." >> Yeah. What did you do? >> Yeah. What did you do? >> Yeah. What did you do? >> What did you do? >> What did you do? >> What did you do? >> And they used to smack smack you around. >> And they used to smack smack you around. >> And they used to smack smack you around. >> He was on the teacher side. And now they >> He was on the teacher side. And now they >> He was on the teacher side. And now they teacher is always an idiot. So yeah, but teacher is always an idiot. So yeah, but teacher is always an idiot. So yeah, but we we we >> And and there's no And actually in the >> And and there's no And actually in the >> And and there's no And actually in the US is the worst because it's very funny. US is the worst because it's very funny. US is the worst because it's very funny. I wanted to make this comment actually I wanted to make this comment actually I wanted to make this comment actually last week because you were asking for last week because you were asking for last week because you were asking for more government. Come on. We're in the more government. Come on. We're in the more government. Come on. We're in the US. US. US. We don't do government has a purpose. It can be government has a purpose. It can be overbloated. There's there's no question overbloated. There's there's no question overbloated. There's there's no question about it. There can be fre waste and about it. There can be fre waste and about it. There can be fre waste and fraud in it. There's no doubt. But fraud in it. There's no doubt. But fraud in it. There's no doubt. But >> you know it takes the it takes the the >> you know it takes the it takes the the >> you know it takes the it takes the the um the majority okay of the citizenry to um the majority okay of the citizenry to um the majority okay of the citizenry to apply intelligent apply intelligent apply intelligent uh diligent and discipline on that uh diligent and discipline on that uh diligent and discipline on that government. government. government. >> I mean >> I mean >> I mean the government shouldn't be the enemy.

the government shouldn't be the enemy. the government shouldn't be the enemy. It it it should be it should be our um It it it should be it should be our um It it it should be it should be our um it should be our tool. it should be our tool. it should be our tool. that thing that secure it secures and that thing that secure it secures and that thing that secure it secures and protects the the greater good of our protects the the greater good of our protects the the greater good of our society. That's what it's for. society. That's what it's for. society. That's what it's for. >> Yeah. But I don't think that's a reality >> Yeah. But I don't think that's a reality >> Yeah. But I don't think that's a reality at all. at all. at all. >> No, it's ideal and it's a direction. But >> No, it's ideal and it's a direction. But >> No, it's ideal and it's a direction. But >> no, it's not the other way and say no no >> no, it's not the other way and say no no >> no, it's not the other way and say no no government. government. government. >> I disagree. very very scary thought >> I disagree. very very scary thought >> I disagree. very very scary thought because then also what in God we trust because then also what in God we trust because then also what in God we trust or whatever you trust for your you know or whatever you trust for your you know or whatever you trust for your you know whatever is the model of your government whatever is the model of your government whatever is the model of your government if you don't have that trust there is no if you don't have that trust there is no if you don't have that trust there is no society going back to what you were society going back to what you were society going back to what you were talking about about the crypto stuff talking about about the crypto stuff talking about about the crypto stuff right right right no trust no society and that's why I no trust no society and that's why I no trust no society and that's why I think trust is going to be such a big think trust is going to be such a big think trust is going to be such a big deal in the deal in the deal in the >> trust as far as information is concerned >> trust as far as information is concerned >> trust as far as information is concerned >> it is going to be more valuable than >> it is going to be more valuable than >> it is going to be more valuable than bold because you are not going to be bold because you are not going to be bold because you are not going to be able to trade. You're not going to be able to trade. You're not going to be able to trade. You're not going to be able to communicate. You're not going to able to communicate. You're not going to able to communicate. You're not going to be able to um you know install any be able to um you know install any be able to um you know install any degree of integrity in your society degree of integrity in your society degree of integrity in your society without trust.

without trust. without trust. >> It's going fast. It is going fast. >> It's going fast. It is going fast. >> It's going fast. It is going fast. Let me send you the NFD of of of be careful how you phrase that because be careful how you phrase that because when you say trust is becoming gold. No. when you say trust is becoming gold. No. when you say trust is becoming gold. No. No. People make more gold with no trust. No. People make more gold with no trust. No. People make more gold with no trust. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> People make more people make more gold >> People make more people make more gold >> People make more people make more gold with more gold with with more gold with with more gold with >> Oh, come on. I'm saying it in terms of >> Oh, come on. I'm saying it in terms of >> Oh, come on. I'm saying it in terms of its value. I'm not saying it's going to its value. I'm not saying it's going to its value. I'm not saying it's going to be like the next crypto, dude. This is be like the next crypto, dude. This is be like the next crypto, dude. This is but this is what we what we were talking but this is what we what we were talking but this is what we what we were talking about when we say that there's all these about when we say that there's all these about when we say that there's all these surveillance and influence from surveillance and influence from surveillance and influence from advertising. People are exploiting the advertising. People are exploiting the advertising. People are exploiting the the lack of trust, the lack of the lack of trust, the lack of the lack of trust, the lack of reference. So you make much more money reference. So you make much more money reference. So you make much more money by creating this mass surveillance, no by creating this mass surveillance, no by creating this mass surveillance, no trust at all, influence, buy more of my trust at all, influence, buy more of my trust at all, influence, buy more of my crap when it no longer conver they have crap when it no longer conver they have crap when it no longer conver they have a people engage with this stuff because a people engage with this stuff because a people engage with this stuff because they they have this misguided notion of they they have this misguided notion of they they have this misguided notion of trust in these platforms.

trust in these platforms. trust in these platforms. >> Yeah, that's point >> Yeah, that's point >> Yeah, that's point >> because if you Yeah. Okay. I don't know. >> because if you Yeah. Okay. I don't know. >> because if you Yeah. Okay. I don't know. It didn't sound like that's what your It didn't sound like that's what your It didn't sound like that's what your point. point. point. >> No. So improving what I'm saying is that >> No. So improving what I'm saying is that >> No. So improving what I'm saying is that improving improving trust doesn't make improving improving trust doesn't make improving improving trust doesn't make more money. It creates something. more money. It creates something. more money. It creates something. >> No tr Yeah. Trust is a feeling but the >> No tr Yeah. Trust is a feeling but the >> No tr Yeah. Trust is a feeling but the foundation of trust is it is but what foundation of trust is it is but what foundation of trust is it is but what what do they say? What what's the saying what do they say? What what's the saying what do they say? What what's the saying you it takes a year, days, weeks, you it takes a year, days, weeks, you it takes a year, days, weeks, decades to build trust. It's a continuum decades to build trust. It's a continuum decades to build trust. It's a continuum of of events where you have assurance of of of events where you have assurance of of of events where you have assurance of certain things, right? And certain certain things, right? And certain certain things, right? And certain entities, certain frameworks, entities, certain frameworks, entities, certain frameworks, institutions. institutions. institutions. You can lose all of that in one second, You can lose all of that in one second, You can lose all of that in one second, right? So it's beyond belief. The belief right? So it's beyond belief. The belief right? So it's beyond belief. The belief is est in in trust is established over is est in in trust is established over is est in in trust is established over time through constant proofs. time through constant proofs. time through constant proofs. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. So I think >> Yeah. So I think >> Yeah. So I think >> so this is where the cyber security >> so this is where the cyber security >> so this is where the cyber security community I does not understand this community I does not understand this community I does not understand this okay and this is a huge gap okay and this is a huge gap okay and this is a huge gap it is a massive gap because we you know it is a massive gap because we you know it is a massive gap because we you know they the way they think about trust is they the way they think about trust is they the way they think about trust is in terms of identities that's not good in terms of identities that's not good in terms of identities that's not good enough enough enough right you can have trusted entities right you can have trusted entities right you can have trusted entities that partake in untrusted and that partake in untrusted and that partake in untrusted and untrustworthy transactions untrustworthy transactions untrustworthy transactions Well, it's not Well, it's not Well, it's not >> you're you're going into many directions >> you're you're going into many directions >> you're you're going into many directions here, but one one first comment is I

here, but one one first comment is I here, but one one first comment is I >> I'm addressing the gap of the ugly or >> I'm addressing the gap of the ugly or >> I'm addressing the gap of the ugly or the gap. the gap. the gap. >> Yeah, there are many gaps. The first >> Yeah, there are many gaps. The first >> Yeah, there are many gaps. The first gapes to you. gapes to you. gapes to you. >> The f the first gap is that trust is a >> The f the first gap is that trust is a >> The f the first gap is that trust is a perception. So, and I would tell you perception. So, and I would tell you perception. So, and I would tell you that a lot of people believe they can that a lot of people believe they can that a lot of people believe they can trust a number of platforms that I'm not trust a number of platforms that I'm not trust a number of platforms that I'm not going to name here, but they trust it going to name here, but they trust it going to name here, but they trust it very deeply and it's very hard to prove very deeply and it's very hard to prove very deeply and it's very hard to prove them wrong. The second thing about cyber them wrong. The second thing about cyber them wrong. The second thing about cyber security which I want to comment on security which I want to comment on security which I want to comment on because it's one of my sweet spot as you because it's one of my sweet spot as you because it's one of my sweet spot as you know very well is the reason why there's know very well is the reason why there's know very well is the reason why there's so much focus on identity is because so much focus on identity is because so much focus on identity is because it's never been solved and it's a it's never been solved and it's a it's never been solved and it's a foundation. You should you start trust foundation. You should you start trust foundation. You should you start trust with identity if you don't have with identity if you don't have with identity if you don't have identity. identity. identity. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> It is a good quest to go fix that. And >> It is a good quest to go fix that. And >> It is a good quest to go fix that. And by the way we're far from being able to by the way we're far from being able to by the way we're far from being able to to fix it properly because it was not we to fix it properly because it was not we to fix it properly because it was not we didn't design our digital infrastructure didn't design our digital infrastructure didn't design our digital infrastructure based on identification authentication based on identification authentication based on identification authentication and identities. So this is why that so and identities. So this is why that so and identities. So this is why that so saying that people believe that identity saying that people believe that identity saying that people believe that identity will solve everything is wrong. But if will solve everything is wrong. But if will solve everything is wrong. But if you don't have identity, you cannot you don't have identity, you cannot you don't have identity, you cannot solve anything. That's for sure. solve anything. That's for sure. solve anything. That's for sure. >> No, I agree with that. >> No, I agree with that. >> No, I agree with that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. Anyone else want to talk?

>> All right. Anyone else want to talk? >> All right. Anyone else want to talk? Because it's just me and Demetri and Because it's just me and Demetri and Because it's just me and Demetri and it's like freaking it's like freaking it's like freaking >> I'm even boring myself. So >> I'm even boring myself. So >> I'm even boring myself. So >> I have no water. So >> I have no water. So >> I have no water. So >> you know what's funny? We have like >> you know what's funny? We have like >> you know what's funny? We have like Debbie on who is like really the you Debbie on who is like really the you Debbie on who is like really the you know the global authority on all this know the global authority on all this know the global authority on all this stuff and she barely said anything which stuff and she barely said anything which stuff and she barely said anything which is like pretty freaking lame. is like pretty freaking lame. is like pretty freaking lame. >> I wanted I wanted to talk about >> I wanted I wanted to talk about >> I wanted I wanted to talk about identities actually. She's the smartest identities actually. She's the smartest identities actually. She's the smartest person about identities that I know too. person about identities that I know too. person about identities that I know too. >> Oh my gosh. That's what I'm saying. I >> Oh my gosh. That's what I'm saying. I >> Oh my gosh. That's what I'm saying. I mean we mean we mean we >> are too much. You all are too much. >> are too much. You all are too much. >> are too much. You all are too much. >> I would say you know I told I gave an >> I would say you know I told I gave an >> I would say you know I told I gave an example. I was on a podcast yesterday example. I was on a podcast yesterday example. I was on a podcast yesterday and I gave an example about kind of the and I gave an example about kind of the and I gave an example about kind of the in terms of data and trust and kind of in terms of data and trust and kind of in terms of data and trust and kind of why it's an issue like t like protecting why it's an issue like t like protecting why it's an issue like t like protecting someone's identity or their information someone's identity or their information someone's identity or their information that they give you. To me that's table that they give you. To me that's table that they give you. To me that's table stakes, right? You're just supposed to stakes, right? You're just supposed to stakes, right? You're just supposed to do that. So people want more than that. do that. So people want more than that. do that. So people want more than that. And so, uh, the example I gave was, you And so, uh, the example I gave was, you And so, uh, the example I gave was, you know, GM had got in trouble because they know, GM had got in trouble because they know, GM had got in trouble because they were selling people's car data to were selling people's car data to were selling people's car data to insurance companies and people were insurance companies and people were insurance companies and people were getting their insurance rates co-op and getting their insurance rates co-op and getting their insurance rates co-op and stuff like that. And that story came out stuff like that. And that story came out stuff like that. And that story came out from the New York Times and I read from the New York Times and I read from the New York Times and I read through cuz I was studying at the time through cuz I was studying at the time through cuz I was studying at the time around cars and, you know, uh, you know, around cars and, you know, uh, you know, around cars and, you know, uh, you know, IoT and other stuff. But, you know, IoT and other stuff. But, you know, IoT and other stuff. But, you know, there are people on that site that said, there are people on that site that said, there are people on that site that said, you know, we've bought, our family has you know, we've bought, our family has you know, we've bought, our family has been buying GM cars for three been buying GM cars for three been buying GM cars for three generations, and now because of what generations, and now because of what generations, and now because of what they did, I'll never buy another car they did, I'll never buy another car they did, I'll never buy another car from them, right? So, that is the

from them, right? So, that is the from them, right? So, that is the problem, right? Even if what they were problem, right? Even if what they were problem, right? Even if what they were doing wasn't quote unquote doing wasn't quote unquote doing wasn't quote unquote illegal, you know, their customer didn't illegal, you know, their customer didn't illegal, you know, their customer didn't like it. And so I'm like, why lose a like it. And so I'm like, why lose a like it. And so I'm like, why lose a dollar trying to chase a dime in my dollar trying to chase a dime in my dollar trying to chase a dime in my view, right? That's a problem. view, right? That's a problem. view, right? That's a problem. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, I mean, it goes it goes back to >> Well, I mean, it goes it goes back to >> Well, I mean, it goes it goes back to something that Rob and I talked about something that Rob and I talked about something that Rob and I talked about 10, 15 years ago. You shouldn't have to 10, 15 years ago. You shouldn't have to 10, 15 years ago. You shouldn't have to pay for a car. Car should be given to pay for a car. Car should be given to pay for a car. Car should be given to you for free because of all the data you for free because of all the data you for free because of all the data that they sell. And they make more money that they sell. And they make more money that they sell. And they make more money on the back end selling the data than on the back end selling the data than on the back end selling the data than they do on the car. they do on the car. they do on the car. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> Really? No. So that's the wrong way to >> Really? No. So that's the wrong way to >> Really? No. So that's the wrong way to think about it because you're saying to think about it because you're saying to think about it because you're saying to people, give away your data. You get people, give away your data. You get people, give away your data. You get some free stuff. some free stuff. some free stuff. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Should be educated. You should not give >> Should be educated. You should not give >> Should be educated. You should not give away your data. And by the way, you're away your data. And by the way, you're away your data. And by the way, you're going to have to pay more. But going to have to pay more. But going to have to pay more. But >> you know, actually, it's a good model. >> you know, actually, it's a good model. >> you know, actually, it's a good model. If you keep everyone poor. >> Oh, it absolutely is. I mean, you know, >> Oh, it absolutely is. I mean, you know, here's the other thing.

>> Sorry, I'm going to shut up. >> Sorry, I'm going to shut up. >> No, no, no. The the here's the a weird >> No, no, no. The the here's the a weird >> No, no, no. The the here's the a weird thing. You know, I did a study on um thing. You know, I did a study on um thing. You know, I did a study on um autonomous vehicles and all the autonomous vehicles and all the autonomous vehicles and all the economics of it all. It's funny. economics of it all. It's funny. economics of it all. It's funny. Everyone just assumes everyone is is, Everyone just assumes everyone is is, Everyone just assumes everyone is is, you know, upper middle class, you know, you know, upper middle class, you know, you know, upper middle class, you know, makes like 150k a year type of thing, makes like 150k a year type of thing, makes like 150k a year type of thing, you know. But the thing is, does anybody you know. But the thing is, does anybody you know. But the thing is, does anybody know any like quote unquote regular know any like quote unquote regular know any like quote unquote regular Americans and how they live? Americans and how they live? Americans and how they live? You know, these people have to fund You know, these people have to fund You know, these people have to fund raise. Okay. These these folks, raise. Okay. These these folks, raise. Okay. These these folks, Americans, okay, have to fund raise Americans, okay, have to fund raise Americans, okay, have to fund raise because they can't pay for healthcare. because they can't pay for healthcare. because they can't pay for healthcare. Okay, these people are doomed to die. If Okay, these people are doomed to die. If Okay, these people are doomed to die. If you don't have friends or you don't you don't have friends or you don't you don't have friends or you don't associate with these clouds and you associate with these clouds and you associate with these clouds and you don't get out of this sort of techno don't get out of this sort of techno don't get out of this sort of techno elitist mindset and then see the elitist mindset and then see the elitist mindset and then see the humanity, you you you're never going to humanity, you you you're never going to humanity, you you you're never going to develop any kind of empathy for what develop any kind of empathy for what develop any kind of empathy for what most Americans go through. And it's most Americans go through. And it's most Americans go through. And it's [ __ ] miserable. Okay. But so many [ __ ] miserable. Okay. But so many [ __ ] miserable. Okay. But so many friends, friends, friends, >> right? Right. But my point is that >> right? Right. But my point is that >> right? Right. But my point is that everyone think in the the tech bro everyone think in the the tech bro everyone think in the the tech bro universe thinks everyone makes is like a universe thinks everyone makes is like a universe thinks everyone makes is like a freaking billionaire and that they're freaking billionaire and that they're freaking billionaire and that they're going to be able to spend 60 70,000 going to be able to spend 60 70,000 going to be able to spend 60 70,000 on a freaking vehicle. They can barely on a freaking vehicle. They can barely on a freaking vehicle. They can barely repair their own cars. So, when you make repair their own cars. So, when you make repair their own cars. So, when you make fun of that dude that's driving down the fun of that dude that's driving down the fun of that dude that's driving down the uh the road with his family and the the

uh the road with his family and the the uh the road with his family and the the windows are like duct taped together, windows are like duct taped together, windows are like duct taped together, that's not freaking funny. They can't that's not freaking funny. They can't that's not freaking funny. They can't afford to repair anything much less put afford to repair anything much less put afford to repair anything much less put gas in their car, right? It it's it's a joke. It it's it's a joke. >> It's the truth, right? >> It's the truth, right? >> It's the truth, right? >> Doesn't help with shareholder value, >> Doesn't help with shareholder value, >> Doesn't help with shareholder value, though. though. though. Yeah, but coffee talk we're about how do Yeah, but coffee talk we're about how do Yeah, but coffee talk we're about how do we how you know the realities of of we how you know the realities of of we how you know the realities of of markets and so if you assume everyone's markets and so if you assume everyone's markets and so if you assume everyone's a billionaire okay like some some of a billionaire okay like some some of a billionaire okay like some some of these tech bros have actually said we these tech bros have actually said we these tech bros have actually said we want everyone to be a tech a billionaire want everyone to be a tech a billionaire want everyone to be a tech a billionaire like what like what like what so that means you have to you have to so that means you have to you have to so that means you have to you have to have a so you know like basically have a so you know like basically have a so you know like basically socialist fullon social communist um you socialist fullon social communist um you socialist fullon social communist um you know economy know economy know economy and you you uh drive inflation up like and you you uh drive inflation up like and you you uh drive inflation up like crazy. crazy. crazy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How does that make any sense? But you >> How does that make any sense? But you >> How does that make any sense? But you know, you when you see some of these know, you when you see some of these know, you when you see some of these reports, it's like that's the assumed reports, it's like that's the assumed reports, it's like that's the assumed assumption set. If you look at the assumption set. If you look at the assumption set. If you look at the number or the talk track, you know, number or the talk track, you know, number or the talk track, you know, and we're not solving any problems doing and we're not solving any problems doing and we're not solving any problems doing that. We're actually creating more.

that. We're actually creating more. that. We're actually creating more. We're distracting investment away from We're distracting investment away from We're distracting investment away from things that actually help us advance in things that actually help us advance in things that actually help us advance in the physical real world. We're floating the physical real world. We're floating the physical real world. We're floating and creating virtual markets that and creating virtual markets that and creating virtual markets that actually don't create any e economic actually don't create any e economic actually don't create any e economic value and I I that that should bother value and I I that that should bother value and I I that that should bother the crap out of everyone. the crap out of everyone. the crap out of everyone. How do you run an economy on fake stuff? How do you run an economy on fake stuff? How do you run an economy on fake stuff? >> But we we we we covered that topic on >> But we we we we covered that topic on >> But we we we we covered that topic on the on many occasion that that the issue the on many occasion that that the issue the on many occasion that that the issue is that the is that the is that the >> don't mean that we can't bring it back >> don't mean that we can't bring it back >> don't mean that we can't bring it back up. It's not like everybody up. It's not like everybody up. It's not like everybody >> No, but yes, but the only way to change >> No, but yes, but the only way to change >> No, but yes, but the only way to change that because you what is the incentive? that because you what is the incentive? that because you what is the incentive? I mean the thing is what is the I mean the thing is what is the I mean the thing is what is the objective of investment? It's making objective of investment? It's making objective of investment? It's making more money period. I I keep on saying more money period. I I keep on saying more money period. I I keep on saying that in MBA we said the the the teaching that in MBA we said the the the teaching that in MBA we said the the the teaching of MBA is increase revenue reduce cost of MBA is increase revenue reduce cost of MBA is increase revenue reduce cost and there is no it has to be with giving and there is no it has to be with giving and there is no it has to be with giving our kids an education place. It has to our kids an education place. It has to our kids an education place. It has to respect the planet. It has no no it's respect the planet. It has no no it's respect the planet. It has no no it's increase revenue decrease cost increase revenue decrease cost increase revenue decrease cost >> increase as long as this is as long as >> increase as long as this is as long as >> increase as long as this is as long as this is the measurement model. It's the this is the measurement model. It's the this is the measurement model. It's the same thing with investor. You heard me same thing with investor. You heard me same thing with investor. You heard me saying about the the the fact that I do saying about the the the fact that I do saying about the the the fact that I do believe that the the biggest flaw in the believe that the the biggest flaw in the believe that the the biggest flaw in the capitalistic system is that when you're capitalistic system is that when you're capitalistic system is that when you're an investor, the only thing you're an investor, the only thing you're an investor, the only thing you're risking is your money.

risking is your money. risking is your money. >> Profit is what you're trying to say. >> Profit is what you're trying to say. >> Profit is what you're trying to say. >> Practical practical example. Practical >> Practical practical example. Practical >> Practical practical example. Practical example. Volkswagen. Volkswagen cheated example. Volkswagen. Volkswagen cheated example. Volkswagen. Volkswagen cheated for 10 years by polluting the planet for 10 years by polluting the planet for 10 years by polluting the planet with a diesel hiding emission system. with a diesel hiding emission system. with a diesel hiding emission system. Look at how much money the investor in Look at how much money the investor in Look at how much money the investor in Volkswagen make in those 10 years. When Volkswagen make in those 10 years. When Volkswagen make in those 10 years. When they got caught, they got a fine. The they got caught, they got a fine. The they got caught, they got a fine. The CEU was got fired with a $20 million CEU was got fired with a $20 million CEU was got fired with a $20 million golden parachute and the fine they got golden parachute and the fine they got golden parachute and the fine they got was offset by the next quarter of was offset by the next quarter of was offset by the next quarter of profit. profit. profit. What do you expect to change in society? What do you expect to change in society? What do you expect to change in society? Absolutely nothing. If we had back to Absolutely nothing. If we had back to Absolutely nothing. If we had back to gone back to those 10 years of investor gone back to those 10 years of investor gone back to those 10 years of investor and said you guys going to pay a 20% tax and said you guys going to pay a 20% tax and said you guys going to pay a 20% tax on what you made because you invested on what you made because you invested on what you made because you invested your money in a company that screwed up your money in a company that screwed up your money in a company that screwed up the planet. I'm telling you the world the planet. I'm telling you the world the planet. I'm telling you the world will change. will change. will change. And who makes that decision? And who makes that decision? And who makes that decision? >> Governments. >> Governments. >> Governments. >> I was about to say I didn't want to say >> I was about to say I didn't want to say >> I was about to say I didn't want to say it. it. it. >> Which we don't which we don't want more >> Which we don't which we don't want more >> Which we don't which we don't want more of. So again, I mean this is [ __ ] of. So again, I mean this is [ __ ] of. So again, I mean this is [ __ ] but I mean we've been talking about the but I mean we've been talking about the but I mean we've been talking about the scenarios. This the only thing that can scenarios. This the only thing that can scenarios. This the only thing that can change that if you have a willingness as change that if you have a willingness as change that if you have a willingness as a certain level of leadership and if you a certain level of leadership and if you a certain level of leadership and if you have a vision for values different than have a vision for values different than have a vision for values different than making more money. The only value we making more money. The only value we making more money. The only value we have in this world, it's not just the have in this world, it's not just the have in this world, it's not just the US. Unfortunately, some countries are US. Unfortunately, some countries are US. Unfortunately, some countries are resisting in Europe. Maybe some resisting in Europe. Maybe some resisting in Europe. Maybe some countries have different models like countries have different models like countries have different models like China and Russia. But the only real China and Russia. But the only real China and Russia. But the only real value, sorry, human beings, it's making value, sorry, human beings, it's making value, sorry, human beings, it's making more.

more. more. >> That's why why things are falling apart >> That's why why things are falling apart >> That's why why things are falling apart in the world right now, right? Because in the world right now, right? Because in the world right now, right? Because everybody wants to be able to pursue it. everybody wants to be able to pursue it. everybody wants to be able to pursue it. They don't want a single party like the They don't want a single party like the They don't want a single party like the United States to be sort of the United States to be sort of the United States to be sort of the singularity absorbing all you know the singularity absorbing all you know the singularity absorbing all you know the fruits of value created AC in global fruits of value created AC in global fruits of value created AC in global economy right I mean you know I put out economy right I mean you know I put out economy right I mean you know I put out a chart a while back that what I tried a chart a while back that what I tried a chart a while back that what I tried to do is get people to understand the to do is get people to understand the to do is get people to understand the the the inequity the the inequity the the inequity um in GDP you know global economic um in GDP you know global economic um in GDP you know global economic growth and how it shapes the perspective growth and how it shapes the perspective growth and how it shapes the perspective of different regions like you know for of different regions like you know for of different regions like you know for instance the United States we don't instance the United States we don't instance the United States we don't understand that Europe for the most part understand that Europe for the most part understand that Europe for the most part including Germany has literally including Germany has literally including Germany has literally stagnated um for a decade and a half stagnated um for a decade and a half stagnated um for a decade and a half whereas the US economy and the Chinese whereas the US economy and the Chinese whereas the US economy and the Chinese economy have you know grown in in you economy have you know grown in in you economy have you know grown in in you know very large double digits like 50% know very large double digits like 50% know very large double digits like 50% right even more for China so um you know right even more for China so um you know right even more for China so um you know and that is that is an outcome of a lot and that is that is an outcome of a lot and that is that is an outcome of a lot of the the consolidation and of the the consolidation and of the the consolidation and globalization that's happened and now globalization that's happened and now globalization that's happened and now when that all that falls apart then when that all that falls apart then when that all that falls apart then we're looking at a very different we're looking at a very different we're looking at a very different universe even with 6G like everyone's universe even with 6G like everyone's universe even with 6G like everyone's talking about how can we even keep this talking about how can we even keep this talking about how can we even keep this stuff together is 5G really the last stuff together is 5G really the last stuff together is 5G really the last global standard for mobile and or and

global standard for mobile and or and global standard for mobile and or and how do we establish leadership how do we establish leadership how do we establish leadership especially as China is going gang especially as China is going gang especially as China is going gang busters with it. And then we're we're we busters with it. And then we're we're we busters with it. And then we're we're we don't we're still having some of the don't we're still having some of the don't we're still having some of the most ridiculous stupid discussions most ridiculous stupid discussions most ridiculous stupid discussions around mobile wireless technology. Open around mobile wireless technology. Open around mobile wireless technology. Open RAN was one that went nowhere. Right now RAN was one that went nowhere. Right now RAN was one that went nowhere. Right now we have AI ran Huawei ZT I will tell you we have AI ran Huawei ZT I will tell you we have AI ran Huawei ZT I will tell you right now they're thinking about this right now they're thinking about this right now they're thinking about this stuff is much more advanced than our stuff is much more advanced than our stuff is much more advanced than our thinking in the west about this stuff. thinking in the west about this stuff. thinking in the west about this stuff. We're we're amateurs. We're we're amateurs. We're we're amateurs. >> Yeah. They're they're they're long game >> Yeah. They're they're they're long game >> Yeah. They're they're they're long game all day. All day. all day. All day. all day. All day. >> People do not even have a clue. Okay. >> People do not even have a clue. Okay. >> People do not even have a clue. Okay. All these guys that and people who go on All these guys that and people who go on All these guys that and people who go on the media talking about how they know the media talking about how they know the media talking about how they know Huawei, they do not freaking know Huawei, they do not freaking know Huawei, they do not freaking know Huawei. They don't know what these um Huawei. They don't know what these um Huawei. They don't know what these um Chinese firms are able to do. Okay. And Chinese firms are able to do. Okay. And Chinese firms are able to do. Okay. And then their views are often super biased, then their views are often super biased, then their views are often super biased, right? Which is doesn't help um your right? Which is doesn't help um your right? Which is doesn't help um your strategic thinking around. And then that strategic thinking around. And then that strategic thinking around. And then that lends to suboptimal policies. And and lends to suboptimal policies. And and lends to suboptimal policies. And and look look what's happening with the chip look look what's happening with the chip look look what's happening with the chip chips act. What a what a [ __ ] show.

chips act. What a what a [ __ ] show. chips act. What a what a [ __ ] show. And this is something that I've actually And this is something that I've actually And this is something that I've actually warned uh about since it came out. Even warned uh about since it came out. Even warned uh about since it came out. Even though I was getting a lot of pressure though I was getting a lot of pressure though I was getting a lot of pressure from people to say good stuff about it, from people to say good stuff about it, from people to say good stuff about it, I gave out warnings. If this is going to I gave out warnings. If this is going to I gave out warnings. If this is going to succeed, it needs to do XYZ. And they succeed, it needs to do XYZ. And they succeed, it needs to do XYZ. And they went the complete opposite direction. went the complete opposite direction. went the complete opposite direction. And now we're seeing all this stuff And now we're seeing all this stuff And now we're seeing all this stuff unravel. So, um, you know, it it's, unravel. So, um, you know, it it's, unravel. So, um, you know, it it's, yeah, I it yeah, I it yeah, I it it it's going to be a weird decade, it it's going to be a weird decade, it it's going to be a weird decade, you know, it's going to be a very weird you know, it's going to be a very weird you know, it's going to be a very weird decade. And, you know, the the thing is decade. And, you know, the the thing is decade. And, you know, the the thing is is as like for me as an analyst, I have is as like for me as an analyst, I have is as like for me as an analyst, I have to come to g grips with it. And so, a to come to g grips with it. And so, a to come to g grips with it. And so, a lot of it doesn't even make any sense. lot of it doesn't even make any sense. lot of it doesn't even make any sense. Do you know what I'm saying? is like as Do you know what I'm saying? is like as Do you know what I'm saying? is like as an analyst, how do you triangulate on an analyst, how do you triangulate on an analyst, how do you triangulate on where things are going when everything where things are going when everything where things are going when everything is just completely contrived, is just completely contrived, is just completely contrived, non-fundamental based like crypto? non-fundamental based like crypto? non-fundamental based like crypto? That's why I don't go deep into crypto That's why I don't go deep into crypto That's why I don't go deep into crypto cuz it freaking makes no sense. It's cuz it freaking makes no sense. It's cuz it freaking makes no sense. It's like you have to watch their news to see like you have to watch their news to see like you have to watch their news to see what kind of influence or narrative what kind of influence or narrative what kind of influence or narrative they're trying to jin up to get these, they're trying to jin up to get these, they're trying to jin up to get these, you know, sort of naive folks going in you know, sort of naive folks going in you know, sort of naive folks going in and jumping in. Yeah, exactly.

and jumping in. Yeah, exactly. and jumping in. Yeah, exactly. Micro Strategy look I don't even get Micro Strategy look I don't even get Micro Strategy look I don't even get that you know how can you even allow that you know how can you even allow that you know how can you even allow that company to exist that company to exist that company to exist freaking analytics software I thought it freaking analytics software I thought it freaking analytics software I thought it was really good long time ago and their was really good long time ago and their was really good long time ago and their their valuation which is separate from their valuation which is separate from their valuation which is separate from value is all freaking based on crypto value is all freaking based on crypto value is all freaking based on crypto >> yeah but I mean let's go let's go you >> yeah but I mean let's go let's go you >> yeah but I mean let's go let's go you you bring up a great point on macro I you bring up a great point on macro I you bring up a great point on macro I mean is anything looked at as macro I mean is anything looked at as macro I mean is anything looked at as macro I mean you brought Huawei up and that but mean you brought Huawei up and that but mean you brought Huawei up and that but you know you look at crypto you know you look at crypto you know you look at crypto I don't care about the macro side. I'm I don't care about the macro side. I'm I don't care about the macro side. I'm looking at it from a how much freaking looking at it from a how much freaking looking at it from a how much freaking money is in my pocket. money is in my pocket. money is in my pocket. >> All about narrative just like Wall >> All about narrative just like Wall >> All about narrative just like Wall Street has become about narrative rather Street has become about narrative rather Street has become about narrative rather than than than >> right. And so the Demetri to your point >> right. And so the Demetri to your point >> right. And so the Demetri to your point earlier there's a departure from this earlier there's a departure from this earlier there's a departure from this mindset of investment. Investment is mindset of investment. Investment is mindset of investment. Investment is more of a long-term sort of valuebased. more of a long-term sort of valuebased. more of a long-term sort of valuebased. You're trying to pursue a certain No. You're trying to pursue a certain No. You're trying to pursue a certain No. Gambling is a different thing. Gambling Gambling is a different thing. Gambling Gambling is a different thing. Gambling is you don't care. What you're doing is is you don't care. What you're doing is is you don't care. What you're doing is you're rolling the dice and you're you're rolling the dice and you're you're rolling the dice and you're rolling the dice on whether or not that rolling the dice on whether or not that rolling the dice on whether or not that particular narrative is going to allow particular narrative is going to allow particular narrative is going to allow you to take advantage of a certain you to take advantage of a certain you to take advantage of a certain technical movement.

technical movement. technical movement. >> I don't disagree. >> I don't disagree. >> I don't disagree. >> And they call that day trading. >> And they call that day trading. >> And they call that day trading. >> Um there's a utility on it, but if the >> Um there's a utility on it, but if the >> Um there's a utility on it, but if the entire corpus of gamblers are trying to entire corpus of gamblers are trying to entire corpus of gamblers are trying to market make the market market make the market market make the market kind of kind of kind of >> Yeah. I mean how how many investor how >> Yeah. I mean how how many investor how >> Yeah. I mean how how many investor how many people you know that invest you many people you know that invest you many people you know that invest you know think okay I'm going to buy this know think okay I'm going to buy this know think okay I'm going to buy this stock let me look at their 10 years of stock let me look at their 10 years of stock let me look at their 10 years of past history and for myself a vision of past history and for myself a vision of past history and for myself a vision of what's going to happen in 10 years and what's going to happen in 10 years and what's going to happen in 10 years and do they have the right values and am I do they have the right values and am I do they have the right values and am I going to invest into that how many going to invest into that how many going to invest into that how many people do that you give people do that you give people do that you give >> they don't do that anymore but they used >> they don't do that anymore but they used >> they don't do that anymore but they used to to to >> used to >> used to >> used to Warren Buffett was probably the last one Warren Buffett was probably the last one Warren Buffett was probably the last one so so so >> well you know here's the thing um here's >> well you know here's the thing um here's >> well you know here's the thing um here's The thing that's make you know um Mark The thing that's make you know um Mark The thing that's make you know um Mark you brought up a long time ago it's like you brought up a long time ago it's like you brought up a long time ago it's like how is crypto any different from you how is crypto any different from you how is crypto any different from you know stock know stock know stock a stock is based on a company that a stock is based on a company that a stock is based on a company that generates real value and and that is generates real value and and that is generates real value and and that is translated into this thing we call translated into this thing we call translated into this thing we call profit profit profit >> no profit right revenue >> no profit right revenue >> no profit right revenue >> not anymore >> not anymore >> not anymore >> yeah it's not like that anymore it's >> yeah it's not like that anymore it's >> yeah it's not like that anymore it's this whole meme mentality and then now this whole meme mentality and then now this whole meme mentality and then now it's narrative based just like crypto it's narrative based just like crypto it's narrative based just like crypto and this is Mark, you were right. But and this is Mark, you were right. But and this is Mark, you were right. But they but it has to do with the they but it has to do with the they but it has to do with the investor's mindset. It doesn't have to investor's mindset. It doesn't have to investor's mindset. It doesn't have to do fundamentally with the instrument.

do fundamentally with the instrument. do fundamentally with the instrument. >> Let me learn, let me explain another use >> Let me learn, let me explain another use >> Let me learn, let me explain another use case that it's frightening um the USA at case that it's frightening um the USA at case that it's frightening um the USA at the moment uh related to crypto. So So the moment uh related to crypto. So So the moment uh related to crypto. So So Europe is about to launch uh the Euro Europe is about to launch uh the Euro Europe is about to launch uh the Euro digital coin. digital coin. digital coin. >> Okay. And and China already did that. So >> Okay. And and China already did that. So >> Okay. And and China already did that. So what what's going to happen in the short what what's going to happen in the short what what's going to happen in the short term is that uh Europe it's going to term is that uh Europe it's going to term is that uh Europe it's going to test and probably force payments under test and probably force payments under test and probably force payments under this digital uh coin instead using Visa this digital uh coin instead using Visa this digital uh coin instead using Visa credit card or Mastercard or American credit card or Mastercard or American credit card or Mastercard or American Express or whatever. That means that the Express or whatever. That means that the Express or whatever. That means that the money goes from a European uh credit money goes from a European uh credit money goes from a European uh credit account to the US change to US dollars account to the US change to US dollars account to the US change to US dollars and then change back to European and then change back to European and then change back to European account. And that's one of the part on account. And that's one of the part on account. And that's one of the part on how the dollar uh works, right? Because how the dollar uh works, right? Because how the dollar uh works, right? Because most of the money goes to the US before most of the money goes to the US before most of the money goes to the US before going going going >> to the to the final destination. Okay. >> to the to the final destination. Okay. >> to the to the final destination. Okay. So you need to understand that your So you need to understand that your So you need to understand that your economy is based on that. Okay. Um economy is based on that. Okay. Um economy is based on that. Okay. Um China is testing this. So telling to China is testing this. So telling to China is testing this. So telling to companies, yeah, don't pay me in dollar companies, yeah, don't pay me in dollar companies, yeah, don't pay me in dollar or yuan. Just pay me on this crypto or yuan. Just pay me on this crypto or yuan. Just pay me on this crypto thing which is managed by the thing which is managed by the thing which is managed by the government. and Europe it's going to do government. and Europe it's going to do government. and Europe it's going to do that by the European um bank uh central that by the European um bank uh central that by the European um bank uh central bank. So what's gonna happen when this bank. So what's gonna happen when this bank. So what's gonna happen when this is going to happen with the US?

is going to happen with the US? is going to happen with the US? >> What's going to happen is that the >> What's going to happen is that the >> What's going to happen is that the European are going to be dependent on European are going to be dependent on European are going to be dependent on the US to depend on the Chinese. the US to depend on the Chinese. the US to depend on the Chinese. >> Great. >> Great. >> Great. >> We're going to depend on the Trump coin. >> We're going to depend on the Trump coin. >> We're going to depend on the Trump coin. The Trump coin will run. The Trump coin will run. The Trump coin will run. >> Here's one certain thing and you touched >> Here's one certain thing and you touched >> Here's one certain thing and you touched on it. They aren't going to use the US on it. They aren't going to use the US on it. They aren't going to use the US dollar. dollar. dollar. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's all I have to say. Yeah. >> That's all I have to say. Yeah. >> That's all I have to say. Yeah. >> And I had to explain to my mom who was >> And I had to explain to my mom who was >> And I had to explain to my mom who was asking me about stable coins and should asking me about stable coins and should asking me about stable coins and should we invest it? I told her no, don't do we invest it? I told her no, don't do we invest it? I told her no, don't do it. Um these these vehicles are it. Um these these vehicles are it. Um these these vehicles are derivatives. The governance around and derivatives. The governance around and derivatives. The governance around and you know the the um you know the binding you know the the um you know the binding you know the the um you know the binding to economic actual economic foundational to economic actual economic foundational to economic actual economic foundational stuff is in the US dollar, right? It's stuff is in the US dollar, right? It's stuff is in the US dollar, right? It's not in some derivative of that. So you not in some derivative of that. So you not in some derivative of that. So you have to be very careful about that. And have to be very careful about that. And have to be very careful about that. And the the thing that's really, you know, the the thing that's really, you know, the the thing that's really, you know, disturbing here is one of the goals of disturbing here is one of the goals of disturbing here is one of the goals of bricks was, bricks was, bricks was, if you're not familiar with bricks is if you're not familiar with bricks is if you're not familiar with bricks is Brazil, Russia, India, and China. It Brazil, Russia, India, and China. It Brazil, Russia, India, and China. It their goal is really to undermine the US their goal is really to undermine the US their goal is really to undermine the US dollar. So Steve, going back to what you dollar. So Steve, going back to what you dollar. So Steve, going back to what you know, enjoy your your u gains. It it know, enjoy your your u gains. It it know, enjoy your your u gains. It it comes at a cost. it will ultimately come comes at a cost. it will ultimately come comes at a cost. it will ultimately come to the cost of the US dollar. I what I to the cost of the US dollar. I what I to the cost of the US dollar. I what I told my mom was this is there is one told my mom was this is there is one told my mom was this is there is one thing more powerful than all 11 or 12 US thing more powerful than all 11 or 12 US thing more powerful than all 11 or 12 US carrier groups. Okay?

carrier groups. Okay? carrier groups. Okay? And that's the US dollar. And that's the US dollar. And that's the US dollar. That goes That goes That goes number one, you're not going to be number one, you're not going to be number one, you're not going to be building too many more aircraft building too many more aircraft building too many more aircraft carriers. China will build them for carriers. China will build them for carriers. China will build them for less. They have a bigger navy now. less. They have a bigger navy now. less. They have a bigger navy now. Um, they don't have a bunch of dumb Um, they don't have a bunch of dumb Um, they don't have a bunch of dumb people like people think. They think people like people think. They think people like people think. They think that these guys steal everything. No, that these guys steal everything. No, that these guys steal everything. No, they're innovative. They have a They they're innovative. They have a They they're innovative. They have a They have a sixth gen fighter plane that's have a sixth gen fighter plane that's have a sixth gen fighter plane that's going through test trials right now. We going through test trials right now. We going through test trials right now. We don't we most of our stuff is like on don't we most of our stuff is like on don't we most of our stuff is like on paper. paper. paper. >> You know what? Um, we really need to >> You know what? Um, we really need to >> You know what? Um, we really need to wake up. wake up. wake up. >> Fighter jets. Do we need fighter jets in >> Fighter jets. Do we need fighter jets in >> Fighter jets. Do we need fighter jets in the world right now? the world right now? the world right now? >> No. Well, yeah, we do. If uh if that one >> No. Well, yeah, we do. If uh if that one >> No. Well, yeah, we do. If uh if that one fighter jet is orchestrating and fighter jet is orchestrating and fighter jet is orchestrating and managing you maybe 20 drones at any managing you maybe 20 drones at any managing you maybe 20 drones at any given time while we're we're we have given time while we're we're we have given time while we're we're we have manned aircraft that are fifth manned aircraft that are fifth manned aircraft that are fifth generation they'll probably get generation they'll probably get generation they'll probably get destroyed by all these things. I mean destroyed by all these things. I mean destroyed by all these things. I mean you know the balance is shifting. you know the balance is shifting. you know the balance is shifting. >> Yeah. But that's my point. I mean look >> Yeah. But that's my point. I mean look >> Yeah. But that's my point. I mean look at the war in Ukraine. You have a small at the war in Ukraine. You have a small at the war in Ukraine. You have a small little country resisting a big giant.

little country resisting a big giant. little country resisting a big giant. >> But for all of that my point is this. >> But for all of that my point is this. >> But for all of that my point is this. The fighter plane doesn't matter. It's The fighter plane doesn't matter. It's The fighter plane doesn't matter. It's the US dollar that matters the most. And the US dollar that matters the most. And the US dollar that matters the most. And crypto is its biggest enemy at the crypto is its biggest enemy at the crypto is its biggest enemy at the moment. moment. moment. >> The combination of financial powers >> The combination of financial powers >> The combination of financial powers through economy and military that gives through economy and military that gives through economy and military that gives you power. So, but yes, danger. There's you power. So, but yes, danger. There's you power. So, but yes, danger. There's a danger weakness. There's not a danger a danger weakness. There's not a danger a danger weakness. There's not a danger of disappearing, but there's a danger of of disappearing, but there's a danger of of disappearing, but there's a danger of of weakening the the US influence if the of weakening the the US influence if the of weakening the the US influence if the money aspect goes out. That's for sure. money aspect goes out. That's for sure. money aspect goes out. That's for sure. But it's not enough. The military is But it's not enough. The military is But it's not enough. The military is very important, too. very important, too. very important, too. >> Yeah. I mean, no, all of it's important, >> Yeah. I mean, no, all of it's important, >> Yeah. I mean, no, all of it's important, but like I said, you need US dollar, you but like I said, you need US dollar, you but like I said, you need US dollar, you need a strong economy in order to build need a strong economy in order to build need a strong economy in order to build the military. And um, you know, guys in the military. And um, you know, guys in the military. And um, you know, guys in Europe are finding out what it what it's Europe are finding out what it what it's Europe are finding out what it what it's going to take to build their own going to take to build their own going to take to build their own self-sustained military um, supply chain self-sustained military um, supply chain self-sustained military um, supply chain and industries, right? and industries, right? and industries, right? >> There's a lot of >> There's a lot of >> There's a lot of >> where a lot of innovation goes. A lot of >> where a lot of innovation goes. A lot of >> where a lot of innovation goes. A lot of innovation is driven by military innovation is driven by military innovation is driven by military spending.

spending. spending. >> Yeah. But again, if you look at what's >> Yeah. But again, if you look at what's >> Yeah. But again, if you look at what's happening in Russia, there's a lot of happening in Russia, there's a lot of happening in Russia, there's a lot of inertia on your military power a lot. inertia on your military power a lot. inertia on your military power a lot. The economy is bad. And see what they The economy is bad. And see what they The economy is bad. And see what they can I mean, but they have crypto. can I mean, but they have crypto. can I mean, but they have crypto. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> They have crypto. Sorry, >> They have crypto. Sorry, >> They have crypto. Sorry, you are enabling them. you are enabling them. you are enabling them. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying. What did I start off with, What did I start off with, What did I start off with, >> Steve? North. Thank you. So, we need >> Steve? North. Thank you. So, we need >> Steve? North. Thank you. So, we need >> Thanks you uh faking whatever that >> Thanks you uh faking whatever that >> Thanks you uh faking whatever that Ayatollah dude's name. Hey, thank you. >> Wonderful. I mean, I don't want to make >> Wonderful. I mean, I don't want to make you feel guilty, but you should feel you feel guilty, but you should feel you feel guilty, but you should feel guilty. That's why I don't invest in any guilty. That's why I don't invest in any guilty. That's why I don't invest in any of this stuff. of this stuff. of this stuff. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Selfish selfish greed. >> Selfish selfish greed. >> Selfish selfish greed. >> No, no, no. But a lot of people don't >> No, no, no. But a lot of people don't >> No, no, no. But a lot of people don't know, Steve. A lot of people don't know. know, Steve. A lot of people don't know. know, Steve. A lot of people don't know. >> Oh, I totally agree with you. >> Oh, I totally agree with you. >> Oh, I totally agree with you. >> But now you know. >> But now you know. >> But now you know. So this is stopping So this is stopping So this is stopping >> to make it clear to our audience. This >> to make it clear to our audience. This >> to make it clear to our audience. This is a feel guilty about crypto.

is a feel guilty about crypto. is a feel guilty about crypto. >> Is that what we should call this >> Is that what we should call this >> Is that what we should call this episode? Maybe episode? Maybe episode? Maybe >> that's my suggestion. >> that's my suggestion. >> that's my suggestion. >> I don't know. I you know I I'm glad I'm >> I don't know. I you know I I'm glad I'm >> I don't know. I you know I I'm glad I'm going to have a whole week to to uh shut going to have a whole week to to uh shut going to have a whole week to to uh shut off and not think about any of this off and not think about any of this off and not think about any of this crap. But crap. But crap. But >> good for you. >> good for you. >> good for you. >> Good for you. >> Good for you. >> Good for you. >> Yeah. Recharge batteries. >> Yeah. Recharge batteries. >> Yeah. Recharge batteries. >> Huh? on that bombsh >> Huh? on that bombsh >> Huh? on that bombsh >> I don't know if you I mean there's so >> I don't know if you I mean there's so >> I don't know if you I mean there's so much stuff that's happening you know much stuff that's happening you know much stuff that's happening you know what I'm saying every day what I'm saying every day what I'm saying every day >> I don't know if I can >> I don't know if I can >> I don't know if I can >> every getting exponential or not yet >> every getting exponential or not yet >> every getting exponential or not yet >> what >> what >> what >> is it getting exponential the the the >> is it getting exponential the the the >> is it getting exponential the the the number of things that are happening in number of things that are happening in number of things that are happening in technology these days or not yet? No, technology these days or not yet? No, technology these days or not yet? No, no, it it's it's actually the unstable no, it it's it's actually the unstable no, it it's it's actually the unstable event uh destabilizing events that are event uh destabilizing events that are event uh destabilizing events that are happening that actually change that have happening that actually change that have happening that actually change that have impact on on the direction of quote impact on on the direction of quote impact on on the direction of quote unquote narratives. That's that's the unquote narratives. That's that's the unquote narratives. That's that's the tricky part. And so when I you know like tricky part. And so when I you know like tricky part. And so when I you know like in my research as I'm you know in my research as I'm you know in my research as I'm you know monitoring the macro monitoring the macro monitoring the macro you know that's what I look for. But the you know that's what I look for. But the you know that's what I look for. But the incidents and the the events are so incidents and the the events are so incidents and the the events are so frequent now that are have huge impact frequent now that are have huge impact frequent now that are have huge impact like you know getting rid of the threats like you know getting rid of the threats like you know getting rid of the threats to get rid of the Fed chair to get rid of the Fed chair to get rid of the Fed chair >> huge implications >> huge implications >> huge implications and then it's changing you know the and then it's changing you know the and then it's changing you know the tariffs tariffs tariffs >> you backed off from that real quick and >> you backed off from that real quick and >> you backed off from that real quick and look what the market did.

look what the market did. look what the market did. >> Yeah. Well anyway yeah this is a weird >> Yeah. Well anyway yeah this is a weird >> Yeah. Well anyway yeah this is a weird episode. I don't even know what to call episode. I don't even know what to call episode. I don't even know what to call it. it. it. The good the good thing is that you say The good the good thing is that you say The good the good thing is that you say that this will disappear in the next that this will disappear in the next that this will disappear in the next decade. You said no it's a weird decade. decade. You said no it's a weird decade. decade. You said no it's a weird decade. That's good. No in That's good. No in That's good. No in >> No, no. I'm just saying that it's in >> No, no. I'm just saying that it's in >> No, no. I'm just saying that it's in five years that is going to be very five years that is going to be very five years that is going to be very determinist is going to determine how determinist is going to determine how determinist is going to determine how weird the next decade's going to be, right? I I mean I'm not like some of right? I I mean I'm not like some of these firms that try to project out to these firms that try to project out to these firms that try to project out to 2050 that say, "Hey, you know, 2050 that say, "Hey, you know, 2050 that say, "Hey, you know, Generative AI is going to be a $50 Generative AI is going to be a $50 Generative AI is going to be a $50 trillion market opportunity trillion market opportunity trillion market opportunity by by by >> 205." >> 205." >> 205." >> Yeah. You're not going to see me ever do >> Yeah. You're not going to see me ever do >> Yeah. You're not going to see me ever do that crap. So that crap. So that crap. So [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] >> if we see that, it will let you know. >> if we see that, it will let you know. >> if we see that, it will let you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That you do it once. >> That you do it once. >> That you do it once. >> Oh jeez. >> Oh jeez. >> Oh jeez. You you you can crap all over that on You you you can crap all over that on You you you can crap all over that on LinkedIn if I ever do, you know, silly LinkedIn if I ever do, you know, silly LinkedIn if I ever do, you know, silly stuff like that.

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