IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 163 - The Blockbuster 4th of July!

[Music] [Music] thank you way to go Bruce go America USA all the way to go Bruce go America USA all the way and we know way and we know way and we know here soon so here soon so here soon so you know you gotta yeah you know you gotta yeah you know you gotta yeah yeah absolutely uh in American yeah absolutely uh in American yeah absolutely uh in American right yeah yeah exactly well happy happy right yeah yeah exactly well happy happy right yeah yeah exactly well happy happy belated Independence Day for yesterday belated Independence Day for yesterday belated Independence Day for yesterday yeah yes it didn't work out if you're supposed to it didn't work out if you're supposed to make it some kind of comments make it some kind of comments make it some kind of comments you're supposed to comment on your happy you're supposed to comment on your happy you're supposed to comment on your happy Independence Day Traders or something Independence Day Traders or something Independence Day Traders or something like that like that like that you know we we lost we lost all our you know we we lost we lost all our you know we we lost we lost all our Empire years ago we haven't got anything Empire years ago we haven't got anything Empire years ago we haven't got anything left so uh you know we're just we always left so uh you know we're just we always left so uh you know we're just we always thankful it's just we're thankful just thankful it's just we're thankful just thankful it's just we're thankful just to be here right we're just happy to be to be here right we're just happy to be to be here right we're just happy to be here I just show up so I don't get fined here I just show up so I don't get fined here I just show up so I don't get fined yeah absolutely yeah yeah absolutely yeah yeah absolutely yeah no I hear you yeah it was funny when you no I hear you yeah it was funny when you no I hear you yeah it was funny when you talk about Britain and America I was uh

talk about Britain and America I was uh talk about Britain and America I was uh you know you know Tom raftery obviously you know you know Tom raftery obviously you know you know Tom raftery obviously you know yeah yeah yeah you know yeah yeah yeah you know yeah yeah yeah and so yeah he does a sustainability he and so yeah he does a sustainability he and so yeah he does a sustainability he has a supply chain thing and I remember has a supply chain thing and I remember has a supply chain thing and I remember when I was giving my two cents about when I was giving my two cents about when I was giving my two cents about supply chain futures supply chain futures supply chain futures and he was surprised I talked about and he was surprised I talked about and he was surprised I talked about geopolitics as you know being one of the geopolitics as you know being one of the geopolitics as you know being one of the biggest issues in supply chain stuff and biggest issues in supply chain stuff and biggest issues in supply chain stuff and he thought that was unusual and I said he thought that was unusual and I said he thought that was unusual and I said well I go for hundreds of years Britain well I go for hundreds of years Britain well I go for hundreds of years Britain ensured the Freedom of the Seas and the ensured the Freedom of the Seas and the ensured the Freedom of the Seas and the ocean is the world's largest supply ocean is the world's largest supply ocean is the world's largest supply chain Highway chain Highway chain Highway um and and then at some point Britain um and and then at some point Britain um and and then at some point Britain handed the Baton to the U.S to have its handed the Baton to the U.S to have its handed the Baton to the U.S to have its name be maintain the Freedom of the Seas name be maintain the Freedom of the Seas name be maintain the Freedom of the Seas but but then just added it in there's but but then just added it in there's but but then just added it in there's lots of things you can point to lots of things you can point to lots of things you can point to happening in the Middle East happening happening in the Middle East happening happening in the Middle East happening in the South China Sea which is super in the South China Sea which is super in the South China Sea which is super disruptive to supply chains and it's all disruptive to supply chains and it's all disruptive to supply chains and it's all about geopolitical things and a lot of about geopolitical things and a lot of about geopolitical things and a lot of people go why do you have a Navy is that people go why do you have a Navy is that people go why do you have a Navy is that just for some big aircraft carrier just for some big aircraft carrier just for some big aircraft carrier battle and it's like no it's actually battle and it's like no it's actually battle and it's like no it's actually primary goal is to maintain Freedom of primary goal is to maintain Freedom of primary goal is to maintain Freedom of the Seas for supply chain supply lines the Seas for supply chain supply lines the Seas for supply chain supply lines to stay open so so that Goods can move to stay open so so that Goods can move to stay open so so that Goods can move freely around the world yeah freely around the world yeah freely around the world yeah um so there you have it why they had the um so there you have it why they had the um so there you have it why they had the idea of merchant marines idea of merchant marines idea of merchant marines right that's what merchant marines were right that's what merchant marines were right that's what merchant marines were they used to escort convoys and uh uh they used to escort convoys and uh uh they used to escort convoys and uh uh trade ships and such right

trade ships and such right trade ships and such right so yeah anyway you know met them from so yeah anyway you know met them from so yeah anyway you know met them from getting hijacked by Pirates getting hijacked by Pirates getting hijacked by Pirates Pirates Pirates Pirates yeah exactly like John's Captain John yeah exactly like John's Captain John yeah exactly like John's Captain John Sparrow yeah Sparrow yeah Sparrow yeah [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] oh I'm the captain now I'm the captain now I'm the captain now I'm the captain now look at me I'm the captain now yes look at me I'm the captain now yes look at me I'm the captain now yes the Pirates of Somalia there you go yeah the Pirates of Somalia there you go yeah the Pirates of Somalia there you go yeah exactly yeah yeah it's a it's a real exactly yeah yeah it's a it's a real exactly yeah yeah it's a it's a real thing right it's a real thing it's a thing right it's a real thing it's a thing right it's a real thing it's a real thing it's a real thing many many real thing it's a real thing many many real thing it's a real thing many many uh tankers and ships have been uh uh tankers and ships have been uh uh tankers and ships have been uh boarded and stuff uh and boarded and stuff uh and boarded and stuff uh and Middle Eastern Waters in the last few Middle Eastern Waters in the last few Middle Eastern Waters in the last few months months months yeah yeah and so that's the thing it's a yeah yeah and so that's the thing it's a yeah yeah and so that's the thing it's a real thing yeah what was that film real thing yeah what was that film real thing yeah what was that film Captain Phillips was it Captain Phillips Captain Phillips was it Captain Phillips Captain Phillips was it Captain Phillips yeah Captain Phillips that's right yeah Captain Phillips that's right yeah Captain Phillips that's right that's right yeah yeah yeah good times that's right yeah yeah yeah good times that's right yeah yeah yeah good times good times yes uh it is uh so what is good times yes uh it is uh so what is good times yes uh it is uh so what is going on with you Mr five values going on with you Mr five values going on with you Mr five values to be honest you know what it's been to be honest you know what it's been to be honest you know what it's been really busy I haven't been on in a few really busy I haven't been on in a few really busy I haven't been on in a few weeks actually and I keep seeing it come weeks actually and I keep seeing it come weeks actually and I keep seeing it come up in my calendar up in my calendar up in my calendar and it's always overlapping with Bixby and it's always overlapping with Bixby and it's always overlapping with Bixby said I was like oh finally I can like said I was like oh finally I can like said I was like oh finally I can like turn up because uh you know loads of turn up because uh you know loads of turn up because uh you know loads of things going on but um yeah things things going on but um yeah things things going on but um yeah things things are good uh just really really things are good uh just really really things are good uh just really really busy busy busy um recording lots of podcasts did a um recording lots of podcasts did a um recording lots of podcasts did a great shoot yesterday with matapour the

great shoot yesterday with matapour the great shoot yesterday with matapour the guys that do the kind of 3D digital guys that do the kind of 3D digital guys that do the kind of 3D digital Twins and visualization of real estate Twins and visualization of real estate Twins and visualization of real estate and property Etc yeah that was really and property Etc yeah that was really and property Etc yeah that was really cool yeah really really cool Tech cool yeah really really cool Tech cool yeah really really cool Tech actually actually actually um and uh yeah speaking to loads of um and uh yeah speaking to loads of um and uh yeah speaking to loads of people and yeah traveling a lot right so people and yeah traveling a lot right so people and yeah traveling a lot right so uh I think this month I'm going to uh I think this month I'm going to uh I think this month I'm going to Barcelona I'm going to Italy so um yeah Barcelona I'm going to Italy so um yeah Barcelona I'm going to Italy so um yeah just yeah to be honest with you rob yeah just yeah to be honest with you rob yeah just yeah to be honest with you rob yeah wow wow oh that's fun that's fun yeah I just made it out to be glamorous yeah I just made it out to be glamorous yeah absolutely just make it out to be absolutely just make it out to be absolutely just make it out to be glamorous like you're on Facebook yeah glamorous like you're on Facebook yeah glamorous like you're on Facebook yeah you know I can tell that you've been you know I can tell that you've been you know I can tell that you've been living in the United States because you living in the United States because you living in the United States because you use the term calendar instead of use the term calendar instead of use the term calendar instead of diary's preparing yeah diary's preparing yeah diary's preparing yeah so I mentioned exactly so I mentioned exactly so I mentioned exactly the the the Visa is uh the Visa is on Route so um Visa is uh the Visa is on Route so um Visa is uh the Visa is on Route so um yeah I'm saying Niche I'm not saying yeah I'm saying Niche I'm not saying yeah I'm saying Niche I'm not saying Niche uh I'm saying resume I'm not Niche uh I'm saying resume I'm not Niche uh I'm saying resume I'm not saying TV saying gas petrol so yeah it's saying TV saying gas petrol so yeah it's saying TV saying gas petrol so yeah it's all coming along now you got to figure all coming along now you got to figure all coming along now you got to figure well you know it's important to do the well you know it's important to do the well you know it's important to do the garage just remember Tom you know one of the just remember Tom you know one of the Die Hard movies that's how Bruce Willis

Die Hard movies that's how Bruce Willis Die Hard movies that's how Bruce Willis knew that he was surrounded by a bunch knew that he was surrounded by a bunch knew that he was surrounded by a bunch of terrorists from Europe is because he of terrorists from Europe is because he of terrorists from Europe is because he gets in the elevator and they all talked gets in the elevator and they all talked gets in the elevator and they all talked about going up on the lift and that's about going up on the lift and that's about going up on the lift and that's how he knew and then of course he how he knew and then of course he how he knew and then of course he quickly killed all of them in the quickly killed all of them in the quickly killed all of them in the elevator and so it's important to make elevator and so it's important to make elevator and so it's important to make sure you say elevator and not lift yeah accent that reminds me genetic film accent that reminds me genetic film Inglorious Bastards and you know when Inglorious Bastards and you know when Inglorious Bastards and you know when they're in the bar and he says a German they're in the bar and he says a German they're in the bar and he says a German would never say three like that German would never say three like that German would never say three like that German will always go three the German always will always go three the German always will always go three the German always does this you're right yeah yeah does this you're right yeah yeah does this you're right yeah yeah that is just more efficient of course that is just more efficient of course that is just more efficient of course right so uh you know that kind of hurts right so uh you know that kind of hurts right so uh you know that kind of hurts actually actually actually I think that was just a commentary I I think that was just a commentary I I think that was just a commentary I think that was a commentary on German think that was a commentary on German think that was a commentary on German efficiency yeah yeah yes yeah exactly efficiency yeah yeah yes yeah exactly efficiency yeah yeah yes yeah exactly exactly yes but you're right that's exactly yes but you're right that's exactly yes but you're right that's that's subtle things is how you get that's subtle things is how you get that's subtle things is how you get busted yeah so yeah yeah oh I completely busted yeah so yeah yeah oh I completely busted yeah so yeah yeah oh I completely forgot to mention so talking of German forgot to mention so talking of German forgot to mention so talking of German efficiency I was in bond last week uh uh efficiency I was in bond last week uh uh efficiency I was in bond last week uh uh at a conference about rdk I think you at a conference about rdk I think you at a conference about rdk I think you guys might have saw it on LinkedIn right guys might have saw it on LinkedIn right guys might have saw it on LinkedIn right um and so rdk is a um it's a basically a um and so rdk is a um it's a basically a um and so rdk is a um it's a basically a Linux kind of system for oems to produce Linux kind of system for oems to produce Linux kind of system for oems to produce well video content and and Broadband well video content and and Broadband well video content and and Broadband Solutions but I was but it has a lot of Solutions but I was but it has a lot of Solutions but I was but it has a lot of premise for iot it has a lot of premise for iot it has a lot of premise for iot it has a lot of potential for iot and uh there was a potential for iot and uh there was a potential for iot and uh there was a talk around Mata and there was a talk talk around Mata and there was a talk talk around Mata and there was a talk about what they were doing with some of

about what they were doing with some of about what they were doing with some of the steering groups around Mata and it the steering groups around Mata and it the steering groups around Mata and it was quite interesting if you guys was quite interesting if you guys was quite interesting if you guys haven't kind of uh heard a lot about rdk haven't kind of uh heard a lot about rdk haven't kind of uh heard a lot about rdk or seen it Comcast have it deployed on or seen it Comcast have it deployed on or seen it Comcast have it deployed on 110 million sets of boxes 110 million sets of boxes 110 million sets of boxes um and and it's a really interesting um and and it's a really interesting um and and it's a really interesting kind of piece of tech right uh which I kind of piece of tech right uh which I kind of piece of tech right uh which I think has a big future I think has a big think has a big future I think has a big think has a big future I think has a big future in iot but no one was really future in iot but no one was really future in iot but no one was really talking about it that much talking about it that much talking about it that much can you tell our audience what what this can you tell our audience what what this can you tell our audience what what this stands for rdk stands for rdk stands for rdk reference design kit so it's uh it's reference design kit so it's uh it's reference design kit so it's uh it's basically a standard to allow operators basically a standard to allow operators basically a standard to allow operators across the world to deploy a Broadband across the world to deploy a Broadband across the world to deploy a Broadband solution or a video solution easier solution or a video solution easier solution or a video solution easier quicker quicker quicker um with some kind of parameters and um with some kind of parameters and um with some kind of parameters and Protocols of how to do it Protocols of how to do it Protocols of how to do it um at a kind of base level kind of um at a kind of base level kind of um at a kind of base level kind of firmware uh kind of basis and then build firmware uh kind of basis and then build firmware uh kind of basis and then build up afterwards right the problem that a up afterwards right the problem that a up afterwards right the problem that a lot of operators have around the world lot of operators have around the world lot of operators have around the world is is is they're having to start from scratch all they're having to start from scratch all they're having to start from scratch all the time and so ultimately the cost is the time and so ultimately the cost is the time and so ultimately the cost is therefore passed back to the consumer therefore passed back to the consumer therefore passed back to the consumer because they need this massive kind of because they need this massive kind of because they need this massive kind of integration there's a kind of a massive integration there's a kind of a massive integration there's a kind of a massive software build software build software build um but rdk uh is really interesting and um but rdk uh is really interesting and um but rdk uh is really interesting and and it's developing quickly there was and it's developing quickly there was and it's developing quickly there was 200 200 people had a license about five 200 200 people had a license about five 200 200 people had a license about five years ago and now there's 600 people years ago and now there's 600 people years ago and now there's 600 people that have a license uh 600 organizations that have a license uh 600 organizations that have a license uh 600 organizations so I say so I say so I say um but the text on it was was cool um but the text on it was was cool um but the text on it was was cool um and there was a lot of people there um and there was a lot of people there um and there was a lot of people there from a lot of different uh companies and

from a lot of different uh companies and from a lot of different uh companies and and I think it has potential in iot and I think it has potential in iot and I think it has potential in iot right so uh yeah it's uh it's an right so uh yeah it's uh it's an right so uh yeah it's uh it's an interesting piece of cake interesting piece of cake interesting piece of cake that's cool that's cool that's cool that's good stuff that's awesome that's good stuff that's awesome that's good stuff that's awesome it's always fun to hear about things it's always fun to hear about things it's always fun to hear about things hey Bill what's up fellas how's it going hey Bill what's up fellas how's it going hey Bill what's up fellas how's it going how are you doing yeah just just you how are you doing yeah just just you how are you doing yeah just just you know it's it feels like it's a Monday know it's it feels like it's a Monday know it's it feels like it's a Monday but it's not yeah I know it does it does but it's not yeah I know it does it does but it's not yeah I know it does it does feel like a Monday right so much stuff feel like a Monday right so much stuff feel like a Monday right so much stuff to do it's like ridiculous yeah yeah I to do it's like ridiculous yeah yeah I to do it's like ridiculous yeah yeah I noticed I noticed as we drive further noticed I noticed as we drive further noticed I noticed as we drive further north closer towards Seattle there's a north closer towards Seattle there's a north closer towards Seattle there's a growing amount of smoke in the air growing amount of smoke in the air growing amount of smoke in the air so anyway so anyway so anyway yeah all those fires we've avoided the yeah all those fires we've avoided the yeah all those fires we've avoided the fire smoke so far on the East Coast got fire smoke so far on the East Coast got fire smoke so far on the East Coast got it oh wow you can see it as well yeah it oh wow you can see it as well yeah it oh wow you can see it as well yeah yeah yeah yeah if I aim it if my aim my iPad forward on if I aim it if my aim my iPad forward on if I aim it if my aim my iPad forward on the freeway there I don't know if you the freeway there I don't know if you the freeway there I don't know if you can see it but yeah it's getting smokier can see it but yeah it's getting smokier can see it but yeah it's getting smokier and smokier as we head north from Oregon and smokier as we head north from Oregon and smokier as we head north from Oregon so so so no bueno no bueno no bueno well you know it's like almost like what well you know it's like almost like what well you know it's like almost like what they don't bother putting out the fires they don't bother putting out the fires they don't bother putting out the fires anymore you know anymore you know anymore you know they just let them burn it's just they just let them burn it's just they just let them burn it's just they're so overwhelming and then they they're so overwhelming and then they they're so overwhelming and then they you know if you if you're up in the you know if you if you're up in the you know if you if you're up in the if you're up in Canada I mean basically if you're up in Canada I mean basically if you're up in Canada I mean basically all the trees all the trees all the trees um um um are um what do they call it blacks is it are um what do they call it blacks is it are um what do they call it blacks is it black Spruce or something like that

black Spruce or something like that black Spruce or something like that basically the way that they basically the way that they basically the way that they um you know uh they reproduces through um you know uh they reproduces through um you know uh they reproduces through fire right the pine cones drop and then fire right the pine cones drop and then fire right the pine cones drop and then you know it's it's it you know fire is you know it's it's it you know fire is you know it's it's it you know fire is kind of like part of that whole life kind of like part of that whole life kind of like part of that whole life cycle of that species of trees but they cycle of that species of trees but they cycle of that species of trees but they go up like matchsticks at least that's go up like matchsticks at least that's go up like matchsticks at least that's what I learned when I drove up to uh to what I learned when I drove up to uh to what I learned when I drove up to uh to Alaska and Alaska and Alaska and um yeah I was like yikes you know that's um yeah I was like yikes you know that's um yeah I was like yikes you know that's why you have these massive fires in um why you have these massive fires in um why you have these massive fires in um in Russia as well right because it's in Russia as well right because it's in Russia as well right because it's basically a similar uh species of trees basically a similar uh species of trees basically a similar uh species of trees uh that just goes up like you know like uh that just goes up like you know like uh that just goes up like you know like Tinder it's like I think you just gave Tinder it's like I think you just gave Tinder it's like I think you just gave us an idea for a science fiction novel us an idea for a science fiction novel us an idea for a science fiction novel where these creatures reproduce by fire where these creatures reproduce by fire where these creatures reproduce by fire good that's what they do right that's the that's what they do right that's the first I've ever heard this before in my first I've ever heard this before in my first I've ever heard this before in my life they reproduce through fire yeah life they reproduce through fire yeah life they reproduce through fire yeah who reproduce it that's part of the life who reproduce it that's part of the life who reproduce it that's part of the life cycle I don't know isn't that weird you I don't know isn't that weird you usually think water is an essential usually think water is an essential usually think water is an essential thing for life but it ends up that thing for life but it ends up that thing for life but it ends up that certain uh uh what do you calling are certain uh uh what do you calling are certain uh uh what do you calling are they are they called coniferous they are they called coniferous they are they called coniferous uh trees yeah yeah they they fire is an uh trees yeah yeah they they fire is an uh trees yeah yeah they they fire is an important part of their life cycle you important part of their life cycle you important part of their life cycle you know and there you go interesting you know and there you go interesting you know and there you go interesting you know know know so you guys heard of um you guys heard

so you guys heard of um you guys heard so you guys heard of um you guys heard of carlston from dryad so it's a German of carlston from dryad so it's a German of carlston from dryad so it's a German IIT business that do ultra uh early IIT business that do ultra uh early IIT business that do ultra uh early Wildfire detection using iot in a Wildfire detection using iot in a Wildfire detection using iot in a sentence yeah sentence yeah sentence yeah um there's a few there's a few folks out um there's a few there's a few folks out um there's a few there's a few folks out there doing this kind of early detection there doing this kind of early detection there doing this kind of early detection yeah the company in California as well yeah the company in California as well yeah the company in California as well right I can't remember the name of them right I can't remember the name of them right I can't remember the name of them uh yeah I spoke to them another week but uh yeah I spoke to them another week but uh yeah I spoke to them another week but it's critical right it's absolutely it's critical right it's absolutely it's critical right it's absolutely crazy you know crazy you know crazy you know yeah there's a lot of folks have gone yeah there's a lot of folks have gone yeah there's a lot of folks have gone after that space and doing fire after that space and doing fire after that space and doing fire detection I've got a friend uh detection I've got a friend uh detection I've got a friend uh Mike Waller he works it's this company Mike Waller he works it's this company Mike Waller he works it's this company is called thingy I know it sounds weird is called thingy I know it sounds weird is called thingy I know it sounds weird but anyway but anyway but anyway early days he they've built fire early days he they've built fire early days he they've built fire detection stuff and he's he's found most detection stuff and he's he's found most detection stuff and he's he's found most of his business I'd say in the last few of his business I'd say in the last few of his business I'd say in the last few years he puts on these kind of these years he puts on these kind of these years he puts on these kind of these Edge devices then do a bunch of other Edge devices then do a bunch of other Edge devices then do a bunch of other things besides that uh with all the things besides that uh with all the things besides that uh with all the wineries uh in Eastern Washington and wineries uh in Eastern Washington and wineries uh in Eastern Washington and then in the Napa and Sonoma California then in the Napa and Sonoma California then in the Napa and Sonoma California uh because the the wine Growers there uh because the the wine Growers there uh because the the wine Growers there they're terrified of this they call it they're terrified of this they call it they're terrified of this they call it smoke tanks smoke tanks smoke tanks and so these and so these and so these smoking grapes you know in The Vineyards smoking grapes you know in The Vineyards smoking grapes you know in The Vineyards and then you taste the wine and it's not and then you taste the wine and it's not and then you taste the wine and it's not very good and I've heard a lot of very good and I've heard a lot of very good and I've heard a lot of wineries that literally had to pour it wineries that literally had to pour it wineries that literally had to pour it pour out like an entire Harvest and they pour out like an entire Harvest and they pour out like an entire Harvest and they had to pour out and all of the line and

had to pour out and all of the line and had to pour out and all of the line and just lose the whole season they didn't just lose the whole season they didn't just lose the whole season they didn't burn up there was enough smoke in the burn up there was enough smoke in the burn up there was enough smoke in the air that uh you know negatively impacted air that uh you know negatively impacted air that uh you know negatively impacted the flavor of the line so maybe maybe the flavor of the line so maybe maybe the flavor of the line so maybe maybe some stuff yeah maybe they just use uh some stuff yeah maybe they just use uh some stuff yeah maybe they just use uh untoasted barrels oh barrels there you untoasted barrels oh barrels there you untoasted barrels oh barrels there you go yeah you can skip the whole posting go yeah you can skip the whole posting go yeah you can skip the whole posting process and yeah there you go you're process and yeah there you go you're process and yeah there you go you're right right right but certain bourbons and whiskey the the but certain bourbons and whiskey the the but certain bourbons and whiskey the the smoke and the burning is is a bonus yeah smoke and the burning is is a bonus yeah smoke and the burning is is a bonus yeah it's something you're looking for yeah a it's something you're looking for yeah a it's something you're looking for yeah a lot of red wines right I mean that's lot of red wines right I mean that's lot of red wines right I mean that's where you get some of the tannins and uh where you get some of the tannins and uh where you get some of the tannins and uh so I don't know who knew so yeah there so I don't know who knew so yeah there so I don't know who knew so yeah there you go that does suck I mean it screws you go that does suck I mean it screws you go that does suck I mean it screws up the process for sure because you up the process for sure because you up the process for sure because you don't want to have our act together for don't want to have our act together for don't want to have our act together for um Mountain connect um Mountain connect um Mountain connect yeah we do awesome yeah we do awesome yeah we do awesome so he didn't like Universe huh so he didn't like Universe huh so he didn't like Universe huh no no no he didn't like the universe but you know he didn't like the universe but you know he didn't like the universe but you know if you look at I think we got we still if you look at I think we got we still if you look at I think we got we still got a a catchy title so yeah I mean got a a catchy title so yeah I mean got a a catchy title so yeah I mean maybe you should you should have maybe you should you should have maybe you should you should have negotiated something in the middle like negotiated something in the middle like negotiated something in the middle like Galaxy Galaxy Galaxy [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] I mean we couldn't just call it a couple I mean we couldn't just call it a couple I mean we couldn't just call it a couple of levels that you could work with Bill of levels that you could work with Bill of levels that you could work with Bill you know I mean we could have called you know I mean we could have called you know I mean we could have called ourselves the Guardians of the connected ourselves the Guardians of the connected ourselves the Guardians of the connected Galaxy Galaxy Galaxy yeah yeah yeah all right you need to contact Jeff all right you need to contact Jeff all right you need to contact Jeff immediately and tell him that it's immediately and tell him that it's immediately and tell him that it's entitled now entitled now entitled now that will get people going oh yeah

that will get people going oh yeah that will get people going oh yeah absolutely that's what we need so and absolutely that's what we need so and absolutely that's what we need so and we're expecting They're Gonna Fly us out we're expecting They're Gonna Fly us out we're expecting They're Gonna Fly us out there on Gulf streams to this event is there on Gulf streams to this event is there on Gulf streams to this event is that how this is yeah the g8s the g8s that how this is yeah the g8s the g8s that how this is yeah the g8s the g8s would be there to pick us up and yeah would be there to pick us up and yeah would be there to pick us up and yeah good good good good good good that's what everybody needs that's what everybody needs that's what everybody needs yeah you got to have that in your life yeah you got to have that in your life yeah you got to have that in your life you know otherwise what are you doing you know otherwise what are you doing you know otherwise what are you doing yeah well we are doing all right that yeah well we are doing all right that yeah well we are doing all right that was pretty interesting was pretty interesting was pretty interesting um you did a good job bill of drafting um you did a good job bill of drafting um you did a good job bill of drafting that up yeah that up yeah that up yeah yeah well I mean it was our conversation yeah well I mean it was our conversation yeah well I mean it was our conversation yeah yeah yeah you just put a bunch of silly words on you just put a bunch of silly words on you just put a bunch of silly words on paper and then we're still gonna talk paper and then we're still gonna talk paper and then we're still gonna talk about whatever we want to talk about about whatever we want to talk about about whatever we want to talk about so this is a Prof Rob is a perfect so this is a Prof Rob is a perfect so this is a Prof Rob is a perfect example of why latency matters example of why latency matters example of why latency matters yes yes you saw that he froze yeah yes yes you saw that he froze yeah yes yes you saw that he froze yeah yeah that's what happens you're on the yeah that's what happens you're on the yeah that's what happens you're on the freeway with your Miracle 5G iPad freeway with your Miracle 5G iPad freeway with your Miracle 5G iPad exactly well you don't have that fiber backhaul well you don't have that fiber backhaul so so so no you know what that's such a great no you know what that's such a great no you know what that's such a great point that you brought up bills just point that you brought up bills just point that you brought up bills just saying that fiber backhaul a lot of saying that fiber backhaul a lot of saying that fiber backhaul a lot of people think 5G is some kind of magic people think 5G is some kind of magic people think 5G is some kind of magic thing and they assume if you have four thing and they assume if you have four thing and they assume if you have four bars and 5G your everything is a good bars and 5G your everything is a good bars and 5G your everything is a good speed speed speed but that's just not the case the ran but that's just not the case the ran but that's just not the case the ran part might be working fine between you part might be working fine between you part might be working fine between you and the cell tower you might have a and the cell tower you might have a and the cell tower you might have a rocking awesome connection and high

rocking awesome connection and high rocking awesome connection and high speed but if you don't have good speed but if you don't have good speed but if you don't have good backhaul and can get clock you know it backhaul and can get clock you know it backhaul and can get clock you know it won't make any difference and I won't make any difference and I won't make any difference and I experienced this I experienced this this experienced this I experienced this this experienced this I experienced this this week we were in Bend Oregon uh kind of week we were in Bend Oregon uh kind of week we were in Bend Oregon uh kind of over the long weekend and you know sorry over the long weekend and you know sorry over the long weekend and you know sorry T-Mobile T-Mobile T-Mobile um but you know I had four bars a 5G um but you know I had four bars a 5G um but you know I had four bars a 5G Ultra capacity so it means I had the mid Ultra capacity so it means I had the mid Ultra capacity so it means I had the mid band stuff and yet my apps everything band stuff and yet my apps everything band stuff and yet my apps everything would hardly load and the the answer would hardly load and the the answer would hardly load and the the answer it's like well what's going on well it's like well what's going on well it's like well what's going on well what's going on is no backhaul or crappy what's going on is no backhaul or crappy what's going on is no backhaul or crappy back haul and so just because you put back haul and so just because you put back haul and so just because you put the new kit up on a cell tower and say the new kit up on a cell tower and say the new kit up on a cell tower and say you've got 5G doesn't mean you're going you've got 5G doesn't mean you're going you've got 5G doesn't mean you're going to have great speeds at all to have great speeds at all to have great speeds at all and so I I'm obviously thinking well I'm and so I I'm obviously thinking well I'm and so I I'm obviously thinking well I'm in I'm in central eastern Oregon on the in I'm in central eastern Oregon on the in I'm in central eastern Oregon on the other side of the mountains and yeah other side of the mountains and yeah other side of the mountains and yeah they probably don't have the money or they probably don't have the money or they probably don't have the money or they just didn't spend putting tons of they just didn't spend putting tons of they just didn't spend putting tons of fiber and stuff like that out there or fiber and stuff like that out there or fiber and stuff like that out there or backfall like you might have in a big backfall like you might have in a big backfall like you might have in a big city you know and this will be like what city you know and this will be like what city you know and this will be like what we talked about at Mountain connect we talked about at Mountain connect we talked about at Mountain connect a lot of these remote places a lot of a lot of these remote places a lot of a lot of these remote places a lot of people don't realize they go what are people don't realize they go what are people don't realize they go what are those I've seen cell towers one of these those I've seen cell towers one of these those I've seen cell towers one of these other strange radar or weird looking other strange radar or weird looking other strange radar or weird looking things and it's it's a microwave things and it's it's a microwave things and it's it's a microwave repeater and a lot of these remote areas repeater and a lot of these remote areas repeater and a lot of these remote areas the only way they get any connectivity the only way they get any connectivity the only way they get any connectivity is microwave repeaters or bouncing is microwave repeaters or bouncing is microwave repeaters or bouncing things across mountain tops uh they're still running e1s and t1s

uh they're still running e1s and t1s across that so you've literally got 5G across that so you've literally got 5G across that so you've literally got 5G out you know in a certain point but no out you know in a certain point but no out you know in a certain point but no one talks about what we're going to talk one talks about what we're going to talk one talks about what we're going to talk about during Mountain connect the about during Mountain connect the about during Mountain connect the end-to-end piece of it how do you end-to-end piece of it how do you end-to-end piece of it how do you architect this so that you are actually architect this so that you are actually architect this so that you are actually delivering that level of service that delivering that level of service that delivering that level of service that they're expecting yeah yeah exactly and they're expecting yeah yeah exactly and they're expecting yeah yeah exactly and so a lot of people are paying money so a lot of people are paying money so a lot of people are paying money expecting fast 5G and they're super expecting fast 5G and they're super expecting fast 5G and they're super disappointed disappointed disappointed yeah I think they I think they should yeah I think they I think they should yeah I think they I think they should get rid of the bars and and replace the get rid of the bars and and replace the get rid of the bars and and replace the bars with two numbers bars with two numbers bars with two numbers what's my download actually three what's my download actually three what's my download actually three download up Uplink my downlink my Uplink download up Uplink my downlink my Uplink download up Uplink my downlink my Uplink and my latency give me those numbers and and my latency give me those numbers and and my latency give me those numbers and that'll tell me what I've got that'll tell me what I've got that'll tell me what I've got yeah exactly I mean but that's tough yeah exactly I mean but that's tough yeah exactly I mean but that's tough because even with like speed tests when because even with like speed tests when because even with like speed tests when you run that thing I mean you're you're you run that thing I mean you're you're you run that thing I mean you're you're putting a lot of traffic through that uh putting a lot of traffic through that uh putting a lot of traffic through that uh that sell side as well as your your that sell side as well as your your that sell side as well as your your phone right that's that's the challenge phone right that's that's the challenge phone right that's that's the challenge right but you don't have to do that I right but you don't have to do that I right but you don't have to do that I think they do that kind of stuff and think they do that kind of stuff and think they do that kind of stuff and it's and it's it's not the smartest it's and it's it's not the smartest it's and it's it's not the smartest thing literally if I mean you don't even thing literally if I mean you don't even thing literally if I mean you don't even have to perform deep packet inspection have to perform deep packet inspection have to perform deep packet inspection you're not all you're looking at is you're not all you're looking at is you're not all you're looking at is point A to point B how many hops you're point A to point B how many hops you're point A to point B how many hops you're taking is what's going to introduce the taking is what's going to introduce the taking is what's going to introduce the latency yeah yeah oh yeah definitely latency yeah yeah oh yeah definitely latency yeah yeah oh yeah definitely because like even with uh a speed test because like even with uh a speed test because like even with uh a speed test you can pick the the the the server you can pick the the the the server you can pick the the the the server right yeah the server yeah definitely so right yeah the server yeah definitely so right yeah the server yeah definitely so um when you find out that a small um when you find out that a small um when you find out that a small community of 10 or 20 000 people has

community of 10 or 20 000 people has community of 10 or 20 000 people has back all uh T1 or on G3 here or an oc3 back all uh T1 or on G3 here or an oc3 back all uh T1 or on G3 here or an oc3 or whatever and it's like oh me and all or whatever and it's like oh me and all or whatever and it's like oh me and all my best friends are clogged on this tiny my best friends are clogged on this tiny my best friends are clogged on this tiny little line I might as well just have little line I might as well just have little line I might as well just have dialogue yeah oh pickup truck almost dialogue yeah oh pickup truck almost dialogue yeah oh pickup truck almost came into our lane that's always fun came into our lane that's always fun came into our lane that's always fun yeah all right good times you know Bill yeah all right good times you know Bill yeah all right good times you know Bill the way you said something about gosh the way you said something about gosh the way you said something about gosh I'm not even used the way you just I'm not even used the way you just I'm not even used the way you just talked about having to upload and that's talked about having to upload and that's talked about having to upload and that's what I got whatever it almost sounded what I got whatever it almost sounded what I got whatever it almost sounded like you could do a Hamilton kind of rap like you could do a Hamilton kind of rap like you could do a Hamilton kind of rap type thing type thing type thing [Laughter] there and so that's what I think I think there and so that's what I think I think we should I think we should write up we should I think we should write up we should I think we should write up kind of a skit with a song or whatever kind of a skit with a song or whatever kind of a skit with a song or whatever that's like right out of Hamilton but it that's like right out of Hamilton but it that's like right out of Hamilton but it has to do with it but it has to do with has to do with it but it has to do with has to do with it but it has to do with cellular and back hall and everything cellular and back hall and everything cellular and back hall and everything and that's what we'll do at Mountain and that's what we'll do at Mountain and that's what we'll do at Mountain connect and we'll address up like we're connect and we'll address up like we're connect and we'll address up like we're in the Broadway thing you know well let me be survived in my shots yeah well let me be survived in my shots yeah exactly exactly you know yeah exactly exactly you know yeah exactly exactly you know yeah [Music] [Music] [Music] um that is a big challenge of having a um that is a big challenge of having a um that is a big challenge of having a big country with a lot of land and big country with a lot of land and big country with a lot of land and people a lot of stuff in remote areas people a lot of stuff in remote areas people a lot of stuff in remote areas you know you know you know um the cost of infrastructure and uh and um the cost of infrastructure and uh and um the cost of infrastructure and uh and um being able to um being able to um being able to um provide a coverage Equitable coverage um provide a coverage Equitable coverage um provide a coverage Equitable coverage is is super tough right

is is super tough right is is super tough right um yeah um yeah um yeah back a couple of years ago uh 5G back a couple of years ago uh 5G back a couple of years ago uh 5G Americans was making a big deal about Americans was making a big deal about Americans was making a big deal about how Korea was able to very quickly get how Korea was able to very quickly get how Korea was able to very quickly get 5G coverage throughout the country about 5G coverage throughout the country about 5G coverage throughout the country about 98 of the uh the populated areas and 98 of the uh the populated areas and 98 of the uh the populated areas and um I remember telling a panel of ctOS um I remember telling a panel of ctOS um I remember telling a panel of ctOS um which included Neville Ray actually um which included Neville Ray actually um which included Neville Ray actually of a T-Mobile I asked them so how many of a T-Mobile I asked them so how many of a T-Mobile I asked them so how many guys have been to South Korea guys have been to South Korea guys have been to South Korea right right right uh and you know a couple of them raise uh and you know a couple of them raise uh and you know a couple of them raise their hands like how many people how their hands like how many people how their hands like how many people how many of you have been outside of Seoul many of you have been outside of Seoul many of you have been outside of Seoul not being pampered by you know your your not being pampered by you know your your not being pampered by you know your your handlers and you know staying at the handlers and you know staying at the handlers and you know staying at the best restaurants and or best hotels and best restaurants and or best hotels and best restaurants and or best hotels and eating at the best restaurants but going eating at the best restaurants but going eating at the best restaurants but going out in the sticks and seeing what the out in the sticks and seeing what the out in the sticks and seeing what the rest of the country is like and nobody rest of the country is like and nobody rest of the country is like and nobody raised their hands I was like yeah you raised their hands I was like yeah you raised their hands I was like yeah you know before you get too excited about 5G know before you get too excited about 5G know before you get too excited about 5G and how quickly it's going to transform and how quickly it's going to transform and how quickly it's going to transform everyone's lives uh and use South Korea everyone's lives uh and use South Korea everyone's lives uh and use South Korea as an example of that you know as an example of that you know as an example of that you know go and check out what the country is go and check out what the country is go and check out what the country is like it's easy for them and which is like it's easy for them and which is like it's easy for them and which is kind of like an advantage it's almost kind of like an advantage it's almost kind of like an advantage it's almost like you know like you know like you know um like transistor density on a on a um like transistor density on a on a um like transistor density on a on a chip right you know Rick often says hey chip right you know Rick often says hey chip right you know Rick often says hey look you know they're too you know he's look you know they're too you know he's look you know they're too you know he's super super super anti-urban but the thing is is that uh a anti-urban but the thing is is that uh a anti-urban but the thing is is that uh a lot of the um the comedies where there

lot of the um the comedies where there lot of the um the comedies where there there is like population density and there is like population density and there is like population density and they're able to scale that they're able to scale that they're able to scale that um they have a lot less um they have a lot less um they have a lot less um um um they have fewer challenges scaling out they have fewer challenges scaling out they have fewer challenges scaling out their digital infrastructure right their digital infrastructure right their digital infrastructure right whereas in the US we're so spread out we whereas in the US we're so spread out we whereas in the US we're so spread out we have a lot of suburbs even in the have a lot of suburbs even in the have a lot of suburbs even in the suburbs we can't even get really suburbs we can't even get really suburbs we can't even get really competitively uh performant uh competitively uh performant uh competitively uh performant uh connectivity and Digital Services right connectivity and Digital Services right connectivity and Digital Services right and so and so and so um that's one of the big just depends on um that's one of the big just depends on um that's one of the big just depends on what we have what we have what we have huh yeah and you know the alternative huh yeah and you know the alternative huh yeah and you know the alternative the flip side is also true you know the flip side is also true you know the flip side is also true you know we're talking about 5G kit and bad back we're talking about 5G kit and bad back we're talking about 5G kit and bad back call yeah it could also be a different call yeah it could also be a different call yeah it could also be a different kind of mobile operator it's only got kind of mobile operator it's only got kind of mobile operator it's only got LTE Advanced but awesome killer back LTE Advanced but awesome killer back LTE Advanced but awesome killer back call and the experience for the customer call and the experience for the customer call and the experience for the customer might be better than 5G actually you might be better than 5G actually you might be better than 5G actually you know yeah it all depends I mean it know yeah it all depends I mean it know yeah it all depends I mean it entirely depends entirely depends entirely depends um you know LTE probably in the US will um you know LTE probably in the US will um you know LTE probably in the US will probably it will likely be around a lot probably it will likely be around a lot probably it will likely be around a lot longer than let's say in China longer than let's say in China longer than let's say in China or South Korea where or South Korea where or South Korea where um they can make a they could make an um they can make a they could make an um they can make a they could make an economical case for full coverage and economical case for full coverage and economical case for full coverage and transition to 5G but everywhere else it transition to 5G but everywhere else it transition to 5G but everywhere else it it's just a it's tough math right it's it's just a it's tough math right it's it's just a it's tough math right it's tougher nothing happens nothing happens tougher nothing happens nothing happens tougher nothing happens nothing happens fast all this stuff costs money and fast all this stuff costs money and fast all this stuff costs money and everybody has all that money and if they

everybody has all that money and if they everybody has all that money and if they don't have don't have don't have the money and you got to get a return the money and you got to get a return the money and you got to get a return right you have to get a return so like right you have to get a return so like right you have to get a return so like the big selling point for 5G has should the big selling point for 5G has should the big selling point for 5G has should have always been you know you have you have always been you know you have you have always been you know you have you can increase the capacity and service can increase the capacity and service can increase the capacity and service quality of your network quality of your network quality of your network um at a um at a um at a you know at the same if not you know at the same if not you know at the same if not um um um um better uh you know better economics um better uh you know better economics um better uh you know better economics right which is it makes sense because right which is it makes sense because right which is it makes sense because technology is always advancing and you technology is always advancing and you technology is always advancing and you know uh yeah Moore's Law is always know uh yeah Moore's Law is always know uh yeah Moore's Law is always making compute and connectivity uh making compute and connectivity uh making compute and connectivity uh cheaper and cheaper per watt but um I cheaper and cheaper per watt but um I cheaper and cheaper per watt but um I mean that's really the mean that's really the mean that's really the the foundational uh value proposition the foundational uh value proposition the foundational uh value proposition for uh technology like 5G right or the for uh technology like 5G right or the for uh technology like 5G right or the next generation of next generation of next generation of um the network um the network um the network so but I don't understand I mean I so but I don't understand I mean I so but I don't understand I mean I so irrespective of whether it's 3G 4g5 so irrespective of whether it's 3G 4g5 so irrespective of whether it's 3G 4g5 G6 seven eight yeah you know whatever G6 seven eight yeah you know whatever G6 seven eight yeah you know whatever whatever we're going to go to the the whatever we're going to go to the the whatever we're going to go to the the process has always been the same right process has always been the same right process has always been the same right now we keep doing the same thing and not now we keep doing the same thing and not now we keep doing the same thing and not even paying attention to the end result even paying attention to the end result even paying attention to the end result right so if they know definitively that right so if they know definitively that right so if they know definitively that we have a problem like the urban sprawl we have a problem like the urban sprawl we have a problem like the urban sprawl is an issue it's a real thing yeah is an issue it's a real thing yeah is an issue it's a real thing yeah when you start looking at the the AG when you start looking at the the AG when you start looking at the the AG areas the rural areas the you know these

areas the rural areas the you know these areas the rural areas the you know these quote unquote underserved markets yeah quote unquote underserved markets yeah quote unquote underserved markets yeah why would you not start your next why would you not start your next why would you not start your next Generation there and move in Generation there and move in Generation there and move in yeah yeah yeah um money yeah money yeah the value is not there per square foot the value is not there per square foot the value is not there per square foot yeah with the technology the technology yeah with the technology the technology yeah with the technology the technology isn't there per square inch isn't there per square inch isn't there per square inch yeah right yeah right I mean 5G is is is yeah right yeah right I mean 5G is is is yeah right yeah right I mean 5G is is is nothing without what we just said the nothing without what we just said the nothing without what we just said the the foundational background work out the foundational background work out the foundational background work out your your other issues over here while your your other issues over here while your your other issues over here while you're trying to help these uh you're trying to help these uh you're trying to help these uh agricultural areas and these other agricultural areas and these other agricultural areas and these other underserved communities the question comes down to is what's the the question comes down to is what's the cost of doing nothing cost of doing nothing cost of doing nothing yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you know it's a it's a human cost you know it's a it's a human cost you know it's a it's a human cost and it goes back to our focus of our and it goes back to our focus of our and it goes back to our focus of our Earth here the digital divide the cost Earth here the digital divide the cost Earth here the digital divide the cost is we is when we don't have people is we is when we don't have people is we is when we don't have people connected and we don't have young people connected and we don't have young people connected and we don't have young people connected to learn online uh then it's connected to learn online uh then it's connected to learn online uh then it's it takes a toll on society over time oh it takes a toll on society over time oh it takes a toll on society over time oh big time yeah big time yeah big time yeah especially with an AI threatening to especially with an AI threatening to especially with an AI threatening to take everyone's jobs and making humans take everyone's jobs and making humans take everyone's jobs and making humans obsolete right obsolete right obsolete right geez you know yeah and yeah I mean um geez you know yeah and yeah I mean um geez you know yeah and yeah I mean um like but you know digital divide problem

like but you know digital divide problem like but you know digital divide problem I think um I think um I think um I mean there's a problem in a lot of I mean there's a problem in a lot of I mean there's a problem in a lot of places the UK you're in the UK right places the UK you're in the UK right places the UK you're in the UK right folks always talk about that folks always talk about that folks always talk about that um you know relatively speaking the UK um you know relatively speaking the UK um you know relatively speaking the UK is a small much smaller country than U.S is a small much smaller country than U.S is a small much smaller country than U.S but it seems to have a pretty big but it seems to have a pretty big but it seems to have a pretty big um digital divide challenge but also you um digital divide challenge but also you um digital divide challenge but also you know a lot more Legacy infrastructure know a lot more Legacy infrastructure know a lot more Legacy infrastructure that you guys have to deal with and that you guys have to deal with and that you guys have to deal with and modernize but yeah Rob you're right I modernize but yeah Rob you're right I modernize but yeah Rob you're right I mean in order to have good mean in order to have good mean in order to have good infrastructure you need good infrastructure you need good infrastructure you need good infrastructure for the infrastructure infrastructure for the infrastructure infrastructure for the infrastructure which is the back hall right and so yeah which is the back hall right and so yeah which is the back hall right and so yeah you know the odds is everyone went you know the odds is everyone went you know the odds is everyone went Bonkers with the 5G thing but didn't Bonkers with the 5G thing but didn't Bonkers with the 5G thing but didn't look at like each Market's Readiness to look at like each Market's Readiness to look at like each Market's Readiness to support 5G with fiber and it's like support 5G with fiber and it's like support 5G with fiber and it's like fiber was kind of like an afterthought fiber was kind of like an afterthought fiber was kind of like an afterthought now with open Rand you're you have to now with open Rand you're you have to now with open Rand you're you have to have fiber for your front hall your have fiber for your front hall your have fiber for your front hall your mid-hall your back hall and so there's mid-hall your back hall and so there's mid-hall your back hall and so there's all these as you look at a more all these as you look at a more all these as you look at a more densified Network you need to have fiber densified Network you need to have fiber densified Network you need to have fiber even more fiber running everywhere even more fiber running everywhere even more fiber running everywhere connecting the actual brand and so like connecting the actual brand and so like connecting the actual brand and so like the problem of synchronization time the problem of synchronization time the problem of synchronization time synchronization all these like highly I synchronization all these like highly I synchronization all these like highly I mean you want to talk about Ultra mean you want to talk about Ultra mean you want to talk about Ultra reliable low latency stuff it happens in reliable low latency stuff it happens in reliable low latency stuff it happens in the network right it's not even on the the network right it's not even on the the network right it's not even on the user plane it's like a control plane and

got some people some slack there Leonard got some people some slack there Leonard I'm going to allow them to have I'm going to allow them to have I'm going to allow them to have 10 gigabit Ethernet for their front hall 10 gigabit Ethernet for their front hall 10 gigabit Ethernet for their front hall I'm not going to force them to have I'm not going to force them to have I'm not going to force them to have fiber fiber fiber but this is I think this is actually but this is I think this is actually but this is I think this is actually what the bill and Leonard and I are what the bill and Leonard and I are what the bill and Leonard and I are going to be talking about at Mountain going to be talking about at Mountain going to be talking about at Mountain connect next month is is how do we do connect next month is is how do we do connect next month is is how do we do this and what is the cost of and so this and what is the cost of and so this and what is the cost of and so obviously the mobile operators they obviously the mobile operators they obviously the mobile operators they didn't see any money in doing this and didn't see any money in doing this and didn't see any money in doing this and so they just didn't do it and now what's so they just didn't do it and now what's so they just didn't do it and now what's the big discussion topic now what would the big discussion topic now what would the big discussion topic now what would the U.S you know all the all the funding the U.S you know all the all the funding the U.S you know all the all the funding for Broadband you know this whole deal for Broadband you know this whole deal for Broadband you know this whole deal and just like rural electrification and just like rural electrification and just like rural electrification decades ago it's like the only way it's decades ago it's like the only way it's decades ago it's like the only way it's going to happen is if the government aka going to happen is if the government aka going to happen is if the government aka the taxpayers pay for it because it's the taxpayers pay for it because it's the taxpayers pay for it because it's it's not in the financial interest of it's not in the financial interest of it's not in the financial interest of the mnos to do it and so the government the mnos to do it and so the government the mnos to do it and so the government is going to have to do it so that every is going to have to do it so that every is going to have to do it so that every last Farm Ranch person living in a van last Farm Ranch person living in a van last Farm Ranch person living in a van in Alaska whatever has some kind of in Alaska whatever has some kind of in Alaska whatever has some kind of connectivity you know well um I don't connectivity you know well um I don't connectivity you know well um I don't know man I think Blockbusters are gonna know man I think Blockbusters are gonna know man I think Blockbusters are gonna come back too Blockbuster is going to come back too Blockbuster is going to come back too Blockbuster is going to come back and everyone's gonna be come back and everyone's gonna be come back and everyone's gonna be running uh you know DVDs and you know running uh you know DVDs and you know running uh you know DVDs and you know buying DVD players again it might be it buying DVD players again it might be it buying DVD players again it might be it might it might be cheaper to mail a USB might it might be cheaper to mail a USB might it might be cheaper to mail a USB stick with movies on it to Alaska than stick with movies on it to Alaska than stick with movies on it to Alaska than to try to have Broadband deliver that to try to have Broadband deliver that to try to have Broadband deliver that same movie same movie same movie to those customers to those customers to those customers I have to say Obviously yes in Bend I have to say Obviously yes in Bend I have to say Obviously yes in Bend Oregon is where the final resting place

Oregon is where the final resting place Oregon is where the final resting place the last Blockbuster Video exists there the last Blockbuster Video exists there the last Blockbuster Video exists there and so my wife my wife and I went there and so my wife my wife and I went there and so my wife my wife and I went there and it you'd be surprised it's not just and it you'd be surprised it's not just and it you'd be surprised it's not just a museum it's an active working a museum it's an active working a museum it's an active working Blockbuster it has all the new movies Blockbuster it has all the new movies Blockbuster it has all the new movies are there all new titles they're still are there all new titles they're still are there all new titles they're still releasing him on DVD releasing him on DVD releasing him on DVD everything it's it's incredible but it's everything it's it's incredible but it's everything it's it's incredible but it's also and they do great business now also and they do great business now also and they do great business now maybe part of the reason they do great maybe part of the reason they do great maybe part of the reason they do great business is out of nostalgia because business is out of nostalgia because business is out of nostalgia because people are going there just to remember people are going there just to remember people are going there just to remember the past or something yeah um they have the past or something yeah um they have the past or something yeah um they have like a whole wall with VHS tapes and like a whole wall with VHS tapes and like a whole wall with VHS tapes and they've got like kind of an art artwork they've got like kind of an art artwork they've got like kind of an art artwork in BHS tapes kind of thing like that in BHS tapes kind of thing like that in BHS tapes kind of thing like that they have all the movie posters all over they have all the movie posters all over they have all the movie posters all over the walls you know Pulp Fiction the walls you know Pulp Fiction the walls you know Pulp Fiction everything I mean all the cool stuff everything I mean all the cool stuff everything I mean all the cool stuff um a Weekend at Bernie's um a Weekend at Bernie's um a Weekend at Bernie's a little banging your head and then a little banging your head and then a little banging your head and then while you're water skiing and burning while you're water skiing and burning while you're water skiing and burning there yep I love that I love that that's there yep I love that I love that that's there yep I love that I love that that's always good always good always good um but you know what it was it was um but you know what it was it was um but you know what it was it was pretty cool and people there's tourists pretty cool and people there's tourists pretty cool and people there's tourists and they're like so what do I do and the and they're like so what do I do and the and they're like so what do I do and the people working there go uh same as it people working there go uh same as it people working there go uh same as it always says just give us your credit always says just give us your credit always says just give us your credit card we'll sign you up you know for a card we'll sign you up you know for a card we'll sign you up you know for a rental or whatever you know they're rental or whatever you know they're rental or whatever you know they're they're active and I'm sure it must they're active and I'm sure it must they're active and I'm sure it must annoy or maybe they don't care if the annoy or maybe they don't care if the annoy or maybe they don't care if the employees there because I'm sure they're employees there because I'm sure they're employees there because I'm sure they're just peppered with people who are like just peppered with people who are like just peppered with people who are like what is this place yeah what do I do how what is this place yeah what do I do how what is this place yeah what do I do how do I get a movie can I use Apple or do I get a movie can I use Apple or do I get a movie can I use Apple or Google play or Google Google play or Google Google play or Google right

right right here employees right now same as the here employees right now same as the here employees right now same as the noises I mean place looks and operates noises I mean place looks and operates noises I mean place looks and operates exactly yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah are you sure are you sure this place has are you sure are you sure this place has are you sure are you sure this place has not been created by Netflix just to not been created by Netflix just to not been created by Netflix just to record a documentary or something like record a documentary or something like record a documentary or something like that or how it used to be before that or how it used to be before that or how it used to be before themselves oh my God you might be right themselves oh my God you might be right themselves oh my God you might be right you might be right it might be like you might be right it might be like you might be right it might be like those fake Apple stores in China those fake Apple stores in China those fake Apple stores in China yeah you could be right there isn't connectivity out in a lot of there isn't connectivity out in a lot of places up in the Northwest and uh yeah places up in the Northwest and uh yeah places up in the Northwest and uh yeah you know it's like connectivity the you know it's like connectivity the you know it's like connectivity the problem is is that you are not in Europe problem is is that you are not in Europe problem is is that you are not in Europe in Europe everything all of these have in Europe everything all of these have in Europe everything all of these have been would have been public funded by been would have been public funded by been would have been public funded by the European uh commission so that would the European uh commission so that would the European uh commission so that would be yes everywhere yeah we have five of be yes everywhere yeah we have five of be yes everywhere yeah we have five of us now in Spain in every village uh like us now in Spain in every village uh like us now in Spain in every village uh like that's a tiny Villages of 50 people they that's a tiny Villages of 50 people they that's a tiny Villages of 50 people they have fiber one per second wow yeah you have fiber one per second wow yeah you have fiber one per second wow yeah you know what maybe we should study what you know what maybe we should study what you know what maybe we should study what you guys are doing to help provide guidance guys are doing to help provide guidance guys are doing to help provide guidance to what the United States should be to what the United States should be to what the United States should be doing uh now that the guy with whoever doing uh now that the guy with whoever doing uh now that the guy with whoever why why in the world would the U.S ever why why in the world would the U.S ever why why in the world would the U.S ever consider that that might just be consider that that might just be consider that that might just be considered smart considered smart considered smart oh oh oh well I mean I guess it seems counter-american to do I guess it seems counter-american to do anything that Europe does

anything that Europe does anything that Europe does um you guys you know careful this is um you guys you know careful this is um you guys you know careful this is this is the fourth of July episode guys this is the fourth of July episode guys this is the fourth of July episode guys you guys are playing with fire like the you guys are playing with fire like the you guys are playing with fire like the kind that's lit up Canada if you're going to call it the Fourth of if you're going to call it the Fourth of July episode you need to have fireworks July episode you need to have fireworks July episode you need to have fireworks I'm just saying well don't worry about I'm just saying well don't worry about I'm just saying well don't worry about it I'm gonna add it on later it I'm gonna add it on later it I'm gonna add it on later Europe not the UK I say Europe Europe not the UK I say Europe Europe not the UK I say Europe okay it's not part of Europe that's okay it's not part of Europe that's okay it's not part of Europe that's right yeah that's right yeah that's right yeah that's right yeah that's right yeah that's right yeah that's right I think we should dive into that right I think we should dive into that right I think we should dive into that discussion and stir the pot while we're discussion and stir the pot while we're discussion and stir the pot while we're at it what's the demographic set of what's the demographic set of Blockbuster these days Blockbuster these days Blockbuster these days the people in there are the movies the the people in there are the movies the the people in there are the movies the people that are coming in there to buy a people that are coming in there to buy a people that are coming in there to buy a VHS tape people who still have the VHS for a lot of people I think most of the for a lot of people I think most of the people I'm gonna guess I don't know for people I'm gonna guess I don't know for people I'm gonna guess I don't know for sure I was there there for 30 minutes sure I was there there for 30 minutes sure I was there there for 30 minutes I'm gonna guess it got at least 50 if I'm gonna guess it got at least 50 if I'm gonna guess it got at least 50 if not everybody was a tourist because a not everybody was a tourist because a not everybody was a tourist because a lot of people like to go to Bend Oregon lot of people like to go to Bend Oregon lot of people like to go to Bend Oregon in the summer it's beautiful I'm sure in the summer it's beautiful I'm sure in the summer it's beautiful I'm sure it's a novelty and a lot of people go oh it's a novelty and a lot of people go oh it's a novelty and a lot of people go oh my God I heard because when we pulled up my God I heard because when we pulled up my God I heard because when we pulled up in the parking lot what did we see in the parking lot what did we see in the parking lot what did we see people doing selfies in front of the people doing selfies in front of the people doing selfies in front of the Blockbuster sign just to show their Blockbuster sign just to show their Blockbuster sign just to show their friends that they went to one so I bet friends that they went to one so I bet friends that they went to one so I bet you there's a lot of tourists inside the you there's a lot of tourists inside the you there's a lot of tourists inside the store uh going this is Magic

store uh going this is Magic store uh going this is Magic I'm not sure how many locals I'm not sure how many locals I'm not sure how many locals are actively using them but I don't know are actively using them but I don't know are actively using them but I don't know some percentage I don't know some percentage I don't know some percentage I don't know um yeah I'm not answering your question um yeah I'm not answering your question um yeah I'm not answering your question aren't I no I I believe that there had aren't I no I I believe that there had aren't I no I I believe that there had to be a lot of uh hippie vans and burned to be a lot of uh hippie vans and burned to be a lot of uh hippie vans and burned up uh RVs pulling into the parking lot up uh RVs pulling into the parking lot up uh RVs pulling into the parking lot you know you know you know you've obviously been there okay yes yes you've obviously been there okay yes yes you've obviously been there okay yes yes oh yes you've been you've been to bend oh yes you've been you've been to bend oh yes you've been you've been to bend yes there are a lot of the hippie things yes there are a lot of the hippie things yes there are a lot of the hippie things you know Oregon is weird you know and uh you know Oregon is weird you know and uh you know Oregon is weird you know and uh and then this and then this and then this Surfers and skiers am I Frozen yeah okay Surfers and skiers am I Frozen yeah okay Surfers and skiers am I Frozen yeah okay the other the other alternative and I've the other the other alternative and I've the other the other alternative and I've talked about this was you know when talked about this was you know when talked about this was you know when we're talking about high-speed digital we're talking about high-speed digital we're talking about high-speed digital downloads of movies is that atsc 3.0 downloads of movies is that atsc 3.0 downloads of movies is that atsc 3.0 option that exists that I'm in the option that exists that I'm in the option that exists that I'm in the middle of with Scripps and nextar middle of with Scripps and nextar middle of with Scripps and nextar um we met with some Heavy Hitters last um we met with some Heavy Hitters last um we met with some Heavy Hitters last week in in Kansas City of all places and week in in Kansas City of all places and week in in Kansas City of all places and man you're talking about 26 megabit man you're talking about 26 megabit man you're talking about 26 megabit downloads you know gigabyte plans for downloads you know gigabyte plans for downloads you know gigabyte plans for very low amount of money of downloadable very low amount of money of downloadable very low amount of money of downloadable movies into uh Ford and you know all the movies into uh Ford and you know all the movies into uh Ford and you know all the major carriers all the major Auto gotcha major carriers all the major Auto gotcha major carriers all the major Auto gotcha looking at it for infotainment downloads looking at it for infotainment downloads looking at it for infotainment downloads of movies to have so there is some of movies to have so there is some of movies to have so there is some Alternatives if you can't get the Alternatives if you can't get the Alternatives if you can't get the Broadband in those areas all you got to Broadband in those areas all you got to Broadband in those areas all you got to have is TBS TV signal

have is TBS TV signal have is TBS TV signal yeah it's a good point it's a good point yeah it's a good point it's a good point yeah it's a good point it's a good point yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah wow yeah there's an element now I'm in wow yeah there's an element now I'm in wow yeah there's an element now I'm in traffic on the 405. no way no way crazy no way no way crazy yes you know not the San Diego Freeway yes you know not the San Diego Freeway yes you know not the San Diego Freeway 405 but the one that's Seattle on the 405 but the one that's Seattle on the 405 but the one that's Seattle on the east side yeah exactly so just such fun east side yeah exactly so just such fun east side yeah exactly so just such fun unlucky 405 ends in Los Angeles I think yeah but 405 ends in Los Angeles I think yeah but when you're in Los Angeles on the 405 when you're in Los Angeles on the 405 when you're in Los Angeles on the 405 it's referred to as the San Diego it's referred to as the San Diego it's referred to as the San Diego Freeway is it really that's really right Freeway is it really that's really right Freeway is it really that's really right it's well it's because you live in San it's well it's because you live in San it's well it's because you live in San Diego it seems alien to you yeah yeah Diego it seems alien to you yeah yeah Diego it seems alien to you yeah yeah but for the angelinos they're like what but for the angelinos they're like what but for the angelinos they're like what is that distant small what's that is that distant small what's that is that distant small what's that distance small community south of us I distance small community south of us I distance small community south of us I think it's called San Diego maybe we'll think it's called San Diego maybe we'll think it's called San Diego maybe we'll go there one time and check out the go there one time and check out the go there one time and check out the beach or something or go look at an old beach or something or go look at an old beach or something or go look at an old aircraft carrier from World War II or aircraft carrier from World War II or aircraft carrier from World War II or something it'll be fun yeah or go visit something it'll be fun yeah or go visit something it'll be fun yeah or go visit one of the best engineering schools one of the best engineering schools one of the best engineering schools around like UCSD I mean around like UCSD I mean around like UCSD I mean UCSD for the UCSD for the UCSD for the Winer yeah and and it's such a beautiful Winer yeah and and it's such a beautiful Winer yeah and and it's such a beautiful school it is yeah really really hard for the dormant for the dormant you know pretty ridiculous that's like you know pretty ridiculous that's like you know pretty ridiculous that's like it's almost like living and going to it's almost like living and going to it's almost like living and going to school in Pepperdine or something in school in Pepperdine or something in school in Pepperdine or something in Malibu

Malibu Malibu speaking of that Leonard I signed the speaking of that Leonard I signed the speaking of that Leonard I signed the lease so I am going to be living in no lease so I am going to be living in no lease so I am going to be living in no way yeah Santa Monica salt help you know way yeah Santa Monica salt help you know way yeah Santa Monica salt help you know for at least a quarter of the year so for at least a quarter of the year so for at least a quarter of the year so the whole Vision Vision Pro pitch didn't the whole Vision Vision Pro pitch didn't the whole Vision Vision Pro pitch didn't work work work [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] yes five now come down to see Leonard yeah five now come down to see Leonard yeah that'll be great you know I love that that'll be great you know I love that that'll be great you know I love that yeah listen to a movie with Wesley yeah listen to a movie with Wesley yeah listen to a movie with Wesley Snipes where in the future the whole Snipes where in the future the whole Snipes where in the future the whole thing was called San Angelos thing was called San Angelos thing was called San Angelos Demolition Man Demolition Man Demolition Man Demolition Man that's right oh that's Demolition Man that's right oh that's Demolition Man that's right oh that's right my uncle owns like 50 acres on the east my uncle owns like 50 acres on the east side of the fault line out in Cali out side of the fault line out in Cali out side of the fault line out in Cali out in California out in the header lands in California out in the header lands in California out in the header lands and he always said that you know when he and he always said that you know when he and he always said that you know when he dies The Inheritance we're gonna get is dies The Inheritance we're gonna get is dies The Inheritance we're gonna get is 50 acres on the San Andreas fault like 50 acres on the San Andreas fault like 50 acres on the San Andreas fault like that's gonna be worth it slides in I'm that's gonna be worth it slides in I'm that's gonna be worth it slides in I'm gonna have beachfront property in gonna have beachfront property in gonna have beachfront property in California California California [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] all right living the dreams living the all right living the dreams living the all right living the dreams living the dream buddy yeah yeah dream buddy yeah yeah dream buddy yeah yeah San Andreas with the rock yeah yeah San Andreas with the rock yeah yeah San Andreas with the rock yeah yeah exactly so well I'm looking forward we exactly so well I'm looking forward we exactly so well I'm looking forward we have our little iot world advisory have our little iot world advisory have our little iot world advisory little meeting you know coming up yes little meeting you know coming up yes little meeting you know coming up yes it's it's going to be interesting for

it's it's going to be interesting for it's it's going to be interesting for all of us to be able to at least all of us to be able to at least all of us to be able to at least Point them in a direction that we want Point them in a direction that we want Point them in a direction that we want them in so I'm looking forward to that them in so I'm looking forward to that them in so I'm looking forward to that yes I wonder if they want to be pointed yes I wonder if they want to be pointed yes I wonder if they want to be pointed in our direction or not well you know in our direction or not well you know in our direction or not well you know it's better than the direction they're it's better than the direction they're it's better than the direction they're going on or on their own going on or on their own going on or on their own so is this the one yeah oh yeah so is this the one yeah oh yeah so is this the one yeah oh yeah yeah and now they're now they're um yeah and now they're now they're um yeah and now they're now they're um they're actually uh connected with they're actually uh connected with they're actually uh connected with um South by um South by um South by right oh okay wow so they're about to right oh okay wow so they're about to right oh okay wow so they're about to they're about to have some pretty they're about to have some pretty they're about to have some pretty pretty big uh events coming up pretty big uh events coming up pretty big uh events coming up oh cool also means they're connected to oh cool also means they're connected to oh cool also means they're connected to Willie Nelson yeah yeah Willie Nelson yeah yeah Willie Nelson yeah yeah so there's that and I just want to be on so there's that and I just want to be on so there's that and I just want to be on the agricultural side of that the agricultural side of that the agricultural side of that there you go there you go Bill Mr AG there you go there you go Bill Mr AG there you go there you go Bill Mr AG Tech of the universe Tech of the universe Tech of the universe he's he's abandoned Smart City he's he's he's abandoned Smart City he's he's he's abandoned Smart City he's abandoned smart cities and he's gone to abandoned smart cities and he's gone to abandoned smart cities and he's gone to the country the country the country one plant at a time one plant at a time one plant at a time one plant at a time exactly you know one plant at a time exactly you know one plant at a time exactly you know what um let's talk about that for a second so let's talk about that for a second so you know I spent all this time doing the you know I spent all this time doing the you know I spent all this time doing the AG stuff out on farms and at the same AG stuff out on farms and at the same AG stuff out on farms and at the same time there's been people doing the time there's been people doing the time there's been people doing the indoor vertical farming and lots of indoor vertical farming and lots of indoor vertical farming and lots of great use cases obviously still leafy great use cases obviously still leafy great use cases obviously still leafy greens small things not big things and a greens small things not big things and a greens small things not big things and a big production scale yet and as I keep big production scale yet and as I keep big production scale yet and as I keep hearing none of them are making any

hearing none of them are making any hearing none of them are making any money lots of them are actually going money lots of them are actually going money lots of them are actually going bankrupt right now which is really sad bankrupt right now which is really sad bankrupt right now which is really sad and that's it's that kind of pioneer and that's it's that kind of pioneer and that's it's that kind of pioneer phase right now that they're trying this phase right now that they're trying this phase right now that they're trying this stuff out you know the the talk track is stuff out you know the the talk track is stuff out you know the the talk track is indoor farming I can have lights on all indoor farming I can have lights on all indoor farming I can have lights on all the time which means I can do three or the time which means I can do three or the time which means I can do three or four harvests per year rather than just four harvests per year rather than just four harvests per year rather than just one I can have buildings closer to the one I can have buildings closer to the one I can have buildings closer to the city so I don't have to worry about the city so I don't have to worry about the city so I don't have to worry about the supply chain problems have the food supply chain problems have the food supply chain problems have the food prone where the people live so you know prone where the people live so you know prone where the people live so you know it obviously it requires energy it obviously it requires energy it obviously it requires energy electricity all that stuff and they electricity all that stuff and they electricity all that stuff and they recycle water I don't have to worry recycle water I don't have to worry recycle water I don't have to worry about pests and fungicides and all that about pests and fungicides and all that about pests and fungicides and all that so there's a lot of good value there so there's a lot of good value there so there's a lot of good value there still not we're still not to the point still not we're still not to the point still not we're still not to the point where we could do big crops yet where we could do big crops yet where we could do big crops yet but as I see but as I see but as I see so much smoke in the air and we talk so much smoke in the air and we talk so much smoke in the air and we talk about so much in places on fire about so much in places on fire about so much in places on fire I feel like there's maybe a national I feel like there's maybe a national I feel like there's maybe a national security element to this security element to this security element to this if you know I read articles I don't know if you know I read articles I don't know if you know I read articles I don't know I read random stuff you know like have I read random stuff you know like have I read random stuff you know like have you read stuff about how the jet stream you read stuff about how the jet stream you read stuff about how the jet stream is getting weird is getting weird is getting weird and it's causing drought and fires and and it's causing drought and fires and and it's causing drought and fires and then rains in weird places and then rains in weird places and then rains in weird places and everything and so there's a lot of everything and so there's a lot of everything and so there's a lot of global worry worry global worry worry global worry worry about food shortages just because of about food shortages just because of about food shortages just because of just whether it's climate change or the just whether it's climate change or the just whether it's climate change or the jet stream wiggling around and stuff jet stream wiggling around and stuff jet stream wiggling around and stuff like that so you might get to the point like that so you might get to the point like that so you might get to the point back to where government might have to back to where government might have to back to where government might have to step in and fund things it might be that step in and fund things it might be that step in and fund things it might be that indoor farming or as they call the indoor farming or as they call the indoor farming or as they call the controlled environment agriculture might

controlled environment agriculture might controlled environment agriculture might become more and more of a necessity over become more and more of a necessity over become more and more of a necessity over time as the environment gets out of time as the environment gets out of time as the environment gets out of control control control and we can't control temperatures and and we can't control temperatures and and we can't control temperatures and all kinds of crazy stuff and so uh it all kinds of crazy stuff and so uh it all kinds of crazy stuff and so uh it might be a thing you know as I see all might be a thing you know as I see all might be a thing you know as I see all those fires all over the place those fires all over the place those fires all over the place subsidized scenario Robin that's the subsidized scenario Robin that's the subsidized scenario Robin that's the only way it survives only way it survives only way it survives maybe I don't know oh yeah it's still maybe I don't know oh yeah it's still maybe I don't know oh yeah it's still it's still early days the people who are it's still early days the people who are it's still early days the people who are trying it right now through private and trying it right now through private and trying it right now through private and they're doing BC funding they're just they're doing BC funding they're just they're doing BC funding they're just they're not surviving right there's not they're not surviving right there's not they're not surviving right there's not enough well you know the thing is is enough well you know the thing is is enough well you know the thing is is that the that the old way of doing that the that the old way of doing that the that the old way of doing things is just still much more things is just still much more things is just still much more economical and it's really hard to uh economical and it's really hard to uh economical and it's really hard to uh hard to challenge that and you know I hard to challenge that and you know I hard to challenge that and you know I don't think we can do that just within don't think we can do that just within don't think we can do that just within the US and make it economically viable the US and make it economically viable the US and make it economically viable thing because you still have other parts thing because you still have other parts thing because you still have other parts of the world because we have to remember of the world because we have to remember of the world because we have to remember we have a global food supply chain you we have a global food supply chain you we have a global food supply chain you know know know um we depend on South America for a lot um we depend on South America for a lot um we depend on South America for a lot of our fruits and fish of our fruits and fish of our fruits and fish um um um during the winter right and vice versa during the winter right and vice versa during the winter right and vice versa so so so um if they continue to pursue the um if they continue to pursue the um if they continue to pursue the cheapest option you know you you cheapest option you know you you cheapest option you know you you continue with that until continue with that until continue with that until um some form of disaster or realization um some form of disaster or realization um some form of disaster or realization that this is contributing to disaster that this is contributing to disaster that this is contributing to disaster but then but then but then um you know it's the Brownfield problem um you know it's the Brownfield problem um you know it's the Brownfield problem right and why digital transformation is

right and why digital transformation is right and why digital transformation is so difficult this is the old way to so difficult this is the old way to so difficult this is the old way to doing sometimes it just work number one doing sometimes it just work number one doing sometimes it just work number one it just works and it yeah okay sure it's it just works and it yeah okay sure it's it just works and it yeah okay sure it's not not not Six Sigma it's five Sigma but you know Six Sigma it's five Sigma but you know Six Sigma it's five Sigma but you know what is it going to cost for us to get what is it going to cost for us to get what is it going to cost for us to get to Seven Sigma right uh people somebody to Seven Sigma right uh people somebody to Seven Sigma right uh people somebody knows what you're talking about yeah the European side of these eighty the European side of these eighty percent of the food here is is as well percent of the food here is is as well percent of the food here is is as well um um um uh subsidized by the European Union yeah uh subsidized by the European Union yeah uh subsidized by the European Union yeah yeah it's um yeah it's a big problem and yeah it's um yeah it's a big problem and yeah it's um yeah it's a big problem and actually this year here in Spain we had actually this year here in Spain we had actually this year here in Spain we had a like a really dry winter a like a really dry winter a like a really dry winter so they decided that yeah so we just so they decided that yeah so we just so they decided that yeah so we just leave all the no most of the fields in leave all the no most of the fields in leave all the no most of the fields in those regions to die because we don't those regions to die because we don't those regions to die because we don't have any enough water have any enough water have any enough water yeah and we will pay for that with the yeah and we will pay for that with the yeah and we will pay for that with the public money public money public money yeah and for me the main problem is is yeah and for me the main problem is is yeah and for me the main problem is is the water right so the water is probably the water right so the water is probably the water right so the water is probably the only thing that it's really hard to the only thing that it's really hard to the only thing that it's really hard to produce in high quantities in in places produce in high quantities in in places produce in high quantities in in places far away from sea right so that's why I far away from sea right so that's why I far away from sea right so that's why I love the warehouse farming or container love the warehouse farming or container love the warehouse farming or container farming because you're basically farming because you're basically farming because you're basically recycling the moisture that's coming out recycling the moisture that's coming out recycling the moisture that's coming out of the air inside those containers but of the air inside those containers but of the air inside those containers but you know Rob one of the things that we you know Rob one of the things that we you know Rob one of the things that we did in Atlanta we did a huge project did in Atlanta we did a huge project did in Atlanta we did a huge project with the Metro Chamber of Commerce and with the Metro Chamber of Commerce and with the Metro Chamber of Commerce and other places to put container Farms other places to put container Farms other places to put container Farms inside the inner city uh along the Belt inside the inner city uh along the Belt inside the inner city uh along the Belt Line in other areas and the regulations

Line in other areas and the regulations Line in other areas and the regulations from the city council and and some of from the city council and and some of from the city council and and some of those made it just such a hard thing A those made it just such a hard thing A those made it just such a hard thing A lot of it was a lack of education on lot of it was a lack of education on lot of it was a lack of education on their part but the idea of trying to their part but the idea of trying to their part but the idea of trying to bring the food into the neighborhoods bring the food into the neighborhoods bring the food into the neighborhoods that need the food you know in and or in that need the food you know in and or in that need the food you know in and or in a way of being able to produce three a way of being able to produce three a way of being able to produce three times a year into an abandoned warehouse times a year into an abandoned warehouse times a year into an abandoned warehouse or abandoned building man the city this or abandoned building man the city this or abandoned building man the city this city regulations just they don't match city regulations just they don't match city regulations just they don't match up to the reality of what's what's up to the reality of what's what's up to the reality of what's what's needed needed needed that's too bad it feels like there's a that's too bad it feels like there's a that's too bad it feels like there's a parallel with our earlier discussion parallel with our earlier discussion parallel with our earlier discussion about getting Broadband to underserved about getting Broadband to underserved about getting Broadband to underserved areas in inner city right along with areas in inner city right along with areas in inner city right along with food food food yeah you know people wait till their yeah you know people wait till their yeah you know people wait till their house is on fire in this country before house is on fire in this country before house is on fire in this country before they do anything you know yeah they do anything you know yeah they do anything you know yeah everywhere yeah everywhere yeah everywhere yeah it's like you can see things coming you it's like you can see things coming you it's like you can see things coming you can see it coming in the distance can see it coming in the distance can see it coming in the distance towards you and you can have time to towards you and you can have time to towards you and you can have time to prepare and people just don't do it or prepare and people just don't do it or prepare and people just don't do it or they may talk about doing it but they they may talk about doing it but they they may talk about doing it but they don't do it you know yeah why anyone can don't do it you know yeah why anyone can don't do it you know yeah why anyone can think on long term why anyone why any think on long term why anyone why any think on long term why anyone why any politician comes with a long-term vision politician comes with a long-term vision politician comes with a long-term vision of you know and and Bill sees this a lot in you know and and Bill sees this a lot in the smart cities and smart communities I the smart cities and smart communities I the smart cities and smart communities I mean these guys will be you know they mean these guys will be you know they mean these guys will be you know they have the guts in a meeting or in a have the guts in a meeting or in a have the guts in a meeting or in a public setting to say if you bring these public setting to say if you bring these public setting to say if you bring these smart cities it better get me reelected smart cities it better get me reelected smart cities it better get me reelected you know if not I don't give a yeah

you know if not I don't give a yeah you know if not I don't give a yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean I I've heard it from so you know I mean I I've heard it from so you know I mean I I've heard it from so you know big city makers that have said that and big city makers that have said that and big city makers that have said that and city council people that's pretty sad city council people that's pretty sad city council people that's pretty sad when you start to look at it you know when you start to look at it you know when you start to look at it you know strictly from that standpoint not as a strictly from that standpoint not as a strictly from that standpoint not as a benefit to the citizens that are paying benefit to the citizens that are paying benefit to the citizens that are paying for it anyway for it anyway for it anyway right I mean I I mean the value right I mean I I mean the value right I mean I I mean the value proposition has to be sold as a bottom proposition has to be sold as a bottom proposition has to be sold as a bottom line benefit and that's a really tough line benefit and that's a really tough line benefit and that's a really tough one to arrive you know um a lot of the one to arrive you know um a lot of the one to arrive you know um a lot of the Top Line stuff is just all hypothetical Top Line stuff is just all hypothetical Top Line stuff is just all hypothetical um so you know um so you know um so you know um um um exercise right and somebody has to pay exercise right and somebody has to pay exercise right and somebody has to pay for that exercise for that exercise for that exercise uh you know it takes a lot of a lot of uh you know it takes a lot of a lot of uh you know it takes a lot of a lot of data crunching and Analysis and strategy data crunching and Analysis and strategy data crunching and Analysis and strategy development to come to the table with development to come to the table with development to come to the table with something that's going to deliver that something that's going to deliver that something that's going to deliver that benefit right benefit right benefit right um yeah and you know it's interesting um yeah and you know it's interesting um yeah and you know it's interesting because we all look at Broad rural because we all look at Broad rural because we all look at Broad rural Broadband in a in a technical way right Broadband in a in a technical way right Broadband in a in a technical way right for all of us it's like oh that's so for all of us it's like oh that's so for all of us it's like oh that's so cool we got to get it out there it's cool we got to get it out there it's cool we got to get it out there it's going to be great then I remember when going to be great then I remember when going to be great then I remember when the infrastructure bill was being passed the infrastructure bill was being passed the infrastructure bill was being passed some politician said oh that's great some politician said oh that's great some politician said oh that's great we're going to get rural Brad Broadband we're going to get rural Brad Broadband we're going to get rural Brad Broadband in the middle of nowhere and the porn is in the middle of nowhere and the porn is in the middle of nowhere and the porn is going to go up going to go up going to go up it's like so you're equating Royal you it's like so you're equating Royal you it's like so you're equating Royal you know the Broadband in rural areas to you know the Broadband in rural areas to you know the Broadband in rural areas to you know people using it for porn access know people using it for porn access know people using it for porn access okay uh you know you can't fix it you

okay uh you know you can't fix it you okay uh you know you can't fix it you know I mean he made the statement so I know I mean he made the statement so I know I mean he made the statement so I think he was speaking for himself yes yes maybe maybe yeah I mean at the end of maybe maybe yeah I mean at the end of maybe maybe yeah I mean at the end of the day though right and when you when the day though right and when you when the day though right and when you when you look at that it's it's it is Steve you look at that it's it's it is Steve you look at that it's it's it is Steve you're right it's sad that it gets it you're right it's sad that it gets it you're right it's sad that it gets it gets you know wrapped around uh the gets you know wrapped around uh the gets you know wrapped around uh the political you know part of it when in political you know part of it when in political you know part of it when in actuality and I mean we we've all you actuality and I mean we we've all you actuality and I mean we we've all you know kind of said this right you know know kind of said this right you know know kind of said this right you know Smart City itself is going to be Smart City itself is going to be Smart City itself is going to be different City to City yeah because they different City to City yeah because they different City to City yeah because they just are not the same and we've got to just are not the same and we've got to just are not the same and we've got to rise above the the lower level Tech rise above the the lower level Tech rise above the the lower level Tech everything from layers one through you everything from layers one through you everything from layers one through you know six really should be what it is but know six really should be what it is but know six really should be what it is but layer seven that whole presentation layer seven that whole presentation layer seven that whole presentation layer how the citizens see it how they layer how the citizens see it how they layer how the citizens see it how they interact with it how the services are interact with it how the services are interact with it how the services are delivered delivered delivered um all of those things should be the um all of those things should be the um all of those things should be the same same same I don't want to see it driven by the I don't want to see it driven by the I don't want to see it driven by the politics at all but I mean I still got politics at all but I mean I still got politics at all but I mean I still got this though Bill how do you how do you this though Bill how do you how do you this though Bill how do you how do you get away with it you can't get around it get away with it you can't get around it get away with it you can't get around it well I mean look I mean the the other well I mean look I mean the the other well I mean look I mean the the other part about it is and you you can't get part about it is and you you can't get part about it is and you you can't get around it but but I think bringing around it but but I think bringing around it but but I think bringing attention to those things right bring attention to those things right bring attention to those things right bring awareness awareness awareness to those things is it's almost like it's to those things is it's almost like it's to those things is it's almost like it's we should be doing that if we're not we should be doing that if we're not we should be doing that if we're not doing that then shame on us yeah but we

doing that then shame on us yeah but we doing that then shame on us yeah but we should be absolutely unequivocally should be absolutely unequivocally should be absolutely unequivocally telling the truth about what the hell's telling the truth about what the hell's telling the truth about what the hell's going on and why things aren't happening going on and why things aren't happening going on and why things aren't happening the way they want I can have two cities the way they want I can have two cities the way they want I can have two cities which would be nameless but which would be nameless but which would be nameless but well at the beginning they will tell me well at the beginning they will tell me well at the beginning they will tell me this is what we want you're the expert this is what we want you're the expert this is what we want you're the expert we want to learn from you and I'm like we want to learn from you and I'm like we want to learn from you and I'm like first off I'm not an expert I'm a first off I'm not an expert I'm a first off I'm not an expert I'm a student of Technology student of Technology student of Technology but I will help you get there after we but I will help you get there after we but I will help you get there after we Define what the outcome needs to be what Define what the outcome needs to be what Define what the outcome needs to be what the benefits are and everything like the benefits are and everything like the benefits are and everything like that that that we go through this whole exercise all we go through this whole exercise all we go through this whole exercise all they really wanted was for the they really wanted was for the they really wanted was for the consultant to deliver their message consultant to deliver their message consultant to deliver their message because everything that I told them they because everything that I told them they because everything that I told them they should do they were like yeah yeah no should do they were like yeah yeah no should do they were like yeah yeah no we're not interested in that we just we're not interested in that we just we're not interested in that we just want you to go and say this want you to go and say this want you to go and say this it's funny I had this exact same it's funny I had this exact same it's funny I had this exact same conversation with Benson Chan on Monday conversation with Benson Chan on Monday conversation with Benson Chan on Monday same same conversation it's unbelievable same same conversation it's unbelievable same same conversation it's unbelievable it's all over the place on the smart it's all over the place on the smart it's all over the place on the smart Community City area yeah but yeah you Community City area yeah but yeah you Community City area yeah but yeah you know you can solve everything with know you can solve everything with know you can solve everything with middleware so middleware so middleware so even at level seven even at level seven even at level seven so if you're you're talking about so if you're you're talking about so if you're you're talking about infrastructure having common infrastructure having common infrastructure having common infrastructure you yeah that'll wear infrastructure you yeah that'll wear infrastructure you yeah that'll wear everything together and all the tenants everything together and all the tenants everything together and all the tenants and thingies that connect to it and and thingies that connect to it and and thingies that connect to it and leverage the services they they have a leverage the services they they have a leverage the services they they have a layer to layer to layer to and it's well I think next year same I and it's well I think next year same I and it's well I think next year same I think next year bill will say that the think next year bill will say that the think next year bill will say that the layer 12 is the one that it's like Fast

layer 12 is the one that it's like Fast layer 12 is the one that it's like Fast and the Furious you know every year that and the Furious you know every year that and the Furious you know every year that is like is like is like I love it you're right but it's true I love it you're right but it's true I love it you're right but it's true it's true it's systems on top of systems it's true it's systems on top of systems it's true it's systems on top of systems right and so you have more than you know right and so you have more than you know right and so you have more than you know seven layers you you have a seven layer seven layers you you have a seven layer seven layers you you have a seven layer dip yeah I got it I gotta drive I gotta go to the I got it I gotta drive I gotta go to the next tall guys next tall guys next tall guys yeah okay so hey uh happy fourth and uh yeah okay so hey uh happy fourth and uh yeah okay so hey uh happy fourth and uh thanks to everyone who's made it this thanks to everyone who's made it this thanks to everyone who's made it this far far far um Tom thanks for jumping on we missed um Tom thanks for jumping on we missed um Tom thanks for jumping on we missed you uh you didn't say much but next you uh you didn't say much but next you uh you didn't say much but next episode you're gonna have to you you are episode you're gonna have to you you are episode you're gonna have to you you are going to have the burden and uh you know going to have the burden and uh you know going to have the burden and uh you know we have everyone who uh is in the US who we have everyone who uh is in the US who we have everyone who uh is in the US who watches uh our show how to save fourth watches uh our show how to save fourth watches uh our show how to save fourth and and and um I you know remember to subscribe like um I you know remember to subscribe like um I you know remember to subscribe like react at www.iotcoffee.com www.iotcoffee.com and uh don't forget about uh our and uh don't forget about uh our and uh don't forget about uh our Collective mission to bridge the digital Collective mission to bridge the digital Collective mission to bridge the digital divide and so make your donation to divide and so make your donation to divide and so make your donation to elevate our kids at elevate our kids at elevate our kids at elevateurkids.org and if you aren't into elevateurkids.org and if you aren't into elevateurkids.org and if you aren't into charity okay you can buy an iot Coffee charity okay you can buy an iot Coffee charity okay you can buy an iot Coffee Talk t-shirt and all proceeds will go to Talk t-shirt and all proceeds will go to Talk t-shirt and all proceeds will go to elevate our kids and you can do good and elevate our kids and you can do good and elevate our kids and you can do good and look good so we'll see you next week all

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