IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 320 - "Happy 250th, America!" (The Sestercentennial Celebration)

>> Woo! >> Woo! >> [music] >> Better than Whitney Houston. >> Better than Whitney Houston. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> USA! >> USA! >> USA! USA! >> YES. >> YES. Happy 250th. >> We made it. >> We made it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We made it. >> We made it. >> We made it. >> Just barely made it. >> Just barely made it. >> Just barely made it. >> Made it somehow. >> Made it somehow. >> Made it somehow. >> Just barely hanging in there, man. >> Just barely hanging in there, man. >> Just barely hanging in there, man. >> I mean, do you remember where you were >> I mean, do you remember where you were >> I mean, do you remember where you were 249 years ago? 249 years ago? 249 years ago? >> It was really dark. >> It was really dark. >> It was really dark. >> [laughter] >> He was in the abyss. >> He was in the abyss. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. I think I I think I was I don't know I think I I think I was I don't know I think I I think I was I don't know where I was. Yorktown, that's where I where I was. Yorktown, that's where I where I was. Yorktown, that's where I was. was. was. >> Where are you now, um? That's the >> Where are you now, um? That's the >> Where are you now, um? That's the question. question. question. >> Hey, what's up? Hey.

>> Hey, what's up? Hey. >> Hey, what's up? Hey. >> Hey, hey, hey. >> Hey, hey, hey. >> Hey, hey, hey. >> Hey, what's up? >> Hey, what's up? >> Hey, what's up? >> Good, good. How are you guys? >> Good, good. How are you guys? >> Good, good. How are you guys? >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. >> Good, really well. >> Good, really well. >> Good, really well. >> Manage I'm >> Manage I'm >> Manage I'm >> It's getting close to our Star-Spangled >> It's getting close to our Star-Spangled >> It's getting close to our Star-Spangled Banner for this Banner for this Banner for this >> Sorry for that. >> Sorry for that. >> Sorry for that. >> Oh, more than a couple. >> I've been busy. >> I've been busy. >> Dude, where are you? >> Dude, where are you? >> Dude, where are you? That's not your typical angle. That's not your typical angle. That's not your typical angle. >> You look like you reconfigured your uh >> You look like you reconfigured your uh >> You look like you reconfigured your uh >> Oh, I see. >> Oh, I see. >> Oh, I see. >> It's a different place. >> It's a different place. >> It's a different place. We have a guest and my office is the We have a guest and my office is the We have a guest and my office is the guest room. So, now I'm squatting my guest room. So, now I'm squatting my guest room. So, now I'm squatting my wife's office. Then wife's office. Then wife's office. Then he has a laser cutter. She has the he has a laser cutter. She has the he has a laser cutter. She has the coolest desk. coolest desk. coolest desk. >> I see a little dog sitting there. >> I see a little dog sitting there. >> I see a little dog sitting there. >> Workbench, whatever. >> Workbench, whatever. >> Workbench, whatever. >> Is that a real dog or is that animated? >> Is that a real dog or is that animated? >> Is that a real dog or is that animated? Is that a Is that a Is that a >> It's It's Yukon. It's the real dog. >> It's It's Yukon. It's the real dog. >> It's It's Yukon. It's the real dog. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> The real dog. >> The real dog. >> The real dog. >> Wow. >> Where are you, Rob? >> Where are you, Rob? >> What are you doing? >> What are you doing? >> What are you doing? >> I am in Camas, Washington at the on a >> I am in Camas, Washington at the on a >> I am in Camas, Washington at the on a walk and then so, where Kathy's parents walk and then so, where Kathy's parents walk and then so, where Kathy's parents live. So, it's just down the Columbia live. So, it's just down the Columbia live. So, it's just down the Columbia River from River from River from Vancouver, Washington across the river Vancouver, Washington across the river Vancouver, Washington across the river from Portland. And I'll shortly be from Portland. And I'll shortly be from Portland. And I'll shortly be driving up to Lake Chelan.

driving up to Lake Chelan. driving up to Lake Chelan. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Where we'll be spending the 4th of July. >> Where we'll be spending the 4th of July. >> Where we'll be spending the 4th of July. >> So, you guys are escaping the heat, >> So, you guys are escaping the heat, >> So, you guys are escaping the heat, right? Because the right? Because the right? Because the >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> the eastern half of the country is >> the eastern half of the country is >> the eastern half of the country is frying right now. I think it's frying right now. I think it's frying right now. I think it's Washington DC is going to be Washington DC is going to be Washington DC is going to be >> Cooking. >> Cooking. >> Cooking. >> 110. >> 110. >> 110. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, the whole East Coast is 100 plus. Yeah, the whole East Coast is 100 plus. Yeah, the whole East Coast is 100 plus. I'm actually still here in Bellevue, I'm actually still here in Bellevue, I'm actually still here in Bellevue, Washington, so it's about 65° and Washington, so it's about 65° and Washington, so it's about 65° and overcast. It's perfect. overcast. It's perfect. overcast. It's perfect. >> So, do we think that with the heat along >> So, do we think that with the heat along >> So, do we think that with the heat along the left the right half of the country the left the right half of the country the left the right half of the country plus all the fireworks plus all the fireworks plus all the fireworks we could create the first fusion we could create the first fusion we could create the first fusion reaction? reaction? reaction? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. >> [laughter] >> Uh fusion. >> Uh fusion. Um Um Um probably. probably. probably. >> curious. >> curious. >> curious. I'm just curious, you know. I'm just curious, you know. I'm just curious, you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Hey. >> Hey. >> Hey. >> I was just >> I was just >> I was just Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> No, no, no. I was just going to usher in >> No, no, no. I was just going to usher in >> No, no, no. I was just going to usher in the episode by saying the episode by saying the episode by saying happy happy happy 250th birthday, United States.

250th birthday, United States. 250th birthday, United States. Happy 4th of July. Hopefully everybody Happy 4th of July. Hopefully everybody Happy 4th of July. Hopefully everybody will remain safe. And um hopefully your will remain safe. And um hopefully your will remain safe. And um hopefully your air conditioning will work air conditioning will work air conditioning will work over the weekend. And over the weekend. And over the weekend. And >> brain stays up. >> brain stays up. >> brain stays up. >> Yeah. And remember to take us seriously >> Yeah. And remember to take us seriously >> Yeah. And remember to take us seriously at your own risk. At this point, if you at your own risk. At this point, if you at your own risk. At this point, if you don't have a sense of humor don't have a sense of humor don't have a sense of humor uh you don't have an appetite for uh you don't have an appetite for uh you don't have an appetite for extreme sarcasm extreme sarcasm extreme sarcasm and and and >> Or an appetite for destruction. >> Or an appetite for destruction. >> Or an appetite for destruction. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> Then you should quit watching right now >> Then you should quit watching right now >> Then you should quit watching right now because this is edumacation because this is edumacation because this is edumacation on another level. This is This is all on another level. This is This is all on another level. This is This is all about being real. This is all about about being real. This is all about about being real. This is all about being um you know, practical being um you know, practical being um you know, practical >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> about having >> about having >> about having Yeah. This is Yeah. This is Yeah. This is Yeah, and having fun doing it. And Yeah, and having fun doing it. And Yeah, and having fun doing it. And believe it or not, believe it or not, believe it or not, it's very very fun. So, it's very very fun. So, it's very very fun. So, if you do go beyond this point, take if you do go beyond this point, take if you do go beyond this point, take take out insurance, especially if you take out insurance, especially if you take out insurance, especially if you take it seriously. If you try to do any take it seriously. If you try to do any take it seriously. If you try to do any like kind of weird stuff with the like kind of weird stuff with the like kind of weird stuff with the information that's shared here. Um information that's shared here. Um information that's shared here. Um actually might actually work out for actually might actually work out for actually might actually work out for you, but yeah, you're on your own.

you, but yeah, you're on your own. you, but yeah, you're on your own. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> So, yes. >> So, yes. >> So, yes. Happy 4th, guys. Happy 200 Happy 4th. Happy 4th, guys. Happy 200 Happy 4th. Happy 4th, guys. Happy 200 Happy 4th. USA USA, even for the French guy. USA USA, even for the French guy. USA USA, even for the French guy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Well, I'm I'm both. I am both. >> Well, I'm I'm both. I am both. >> Well, I'm I'm both. I am both. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> We're both. >> We're both. >> We're both. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> And I'm not sure if I should say that >> And I'm not sure if I should say that >> And I'm not sure if I should say that live on on camera. It's a bit risky live on on camera. It's a bit risky live on on camera. It's a bit risky these days. these days. these days. >> No, no. >> No, no. >> No, no. No, no. It's No, it's it's all good, No, no. It's No, it's it's all good, No, no. It's No, it's it's all good, man. France was America's first friend. man. France was America's first friend. man. France was America's first friend. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Yes. We wouldn't be celebrating the 4th >> Yes. We wouldn't be celebrating the 4th >> Yes. We wouldn't be celebrating the 4th without France. So, that's it. without France. So, that's it. without France. So, that's it. >> And in New York >> And in New York >> And in New York town town town We got a lot of help. We got a lot of help. We got a lot of help. You know, light and music show on the You know, light and music show on the You know, light and music show on the Statue of Liberty that is put together Statue of Liberty that is put together Statue of Liberty that is put together by France, offered to the US for the by France, offered to the US for the by France, offered to the US for the 250th. 250th. 250th. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> You know, it's a subtle reminder >> You know, it's a subtle reminder >> You know, it's a subtle reminder that we had allies, we had help. that we had allies, we had help. that we had allies, we had help. >> Yeah, and then we offered that statue to >> Yeah, and then we offered that statue to >> Yeah, and then we offered that statue to the US. the US. the US. >> Yes. 1776. >> Yes. 1776. >> Yes. 1776. Yeah, and think about all the Yeah, and think about all the Yeah, and think about all the all the great French thinkers that were all the great French thinkers that were all the great French thinkers that were thinking about democracy and other thinking about democracy and other thinking about democracy and other concepts that we embraced here. Yes.

concepts that we embraced here. Yes. concepts that we embraced here. Yes. Much love for France. Much love for France. Much love for France. >> Yeah, they're still trying to figure it >> Yeah, they're still trying to figure it >> Yeah, they're still trying to figure it out in France as well, right? So, to be out in France as well, right? So, to be out in France as well, right? So, to be finding the concept finding the concept finding the concept >> Arguably France invented democracy. >> Arguably France invented democracy. >> Arguably France invented democracy. >> There you go. Yeah. >> There you go. Yeah. >> There you go. Yeah. So, somebody tried it out. That's why So, somebody tried it out. That's why So, somebody tried it out. That's why they call it an experiment. We're still they call it an experiment. We're still they call it an experiment. We're still experimenting with it. >> Hopefully it doesn't blow up in our >> Hopefully it doesn't blow up in our face. face. face. Uh yeah. Uh yeah. Uh yeah. >> been nice if we could have >> been nice if we could have >> been nice if we could have simulated that with a big digital twin, simulated that with a big digital twin, simulated that with a big digital twin, right? right? right? >> Oh, yes. Statue of Liberty. >> Oh, yes. Statue of Liberty. >> Oh, yes. Statue of Liberty. Twin of the Statue of Liberty. We're Twin of the Statue of Liberty. We're Twin of the Statue of Liberty. We're going to do a billion going to do a billion going to do a billion simulations of democracy, you know, in a simulations of democracy, you know, in a simulations of democracy, you know, in a few in a few seconds in a digital twin few in a few seconds in a digital twin few in a few seconds in a digital twin world model. world model. world model. You know, to see what works. You know, to see what works. You know, to see what works. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, no, that's a good idea. We could Yeah, no, that's a good idea. We could Yeah, no, that's a good idea. We could try that, you know. try that, you know. try that, you know. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Digital twin democracy, that's the name >> Digital twin democracy, that's the name >> Digital twin democracy, that's the name of the episode. of the episode. of the episode. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Just just ingest the entire, you know, >> Just just ingest the entire, you know, >> Just just ingest the entire, you know, internet in terms of data. You create a internet in terms of data. You create a internet in terms of data. You create a twin, try to build a nice model, and twin, try to build a nice model, and twin, try to build a nice model, and then you you shove it some AI on top of then you you shove it some AI on top of then you you shove it some AI on top of that and agents that going to figure out that and agents that going to figure out that and agents that going to figure out how to work in democracy.

how to work in democracy. how to work in democracy. >> Well, that's the complete opposite of >> Well, that's the complete opposite of >> Well, that's the complete opposite of what you want to do. what you want to do. what you want to do. >> Well, [laughter] NO, BUT BUT YOU'RE >> Well, [laughter] NO, BUT BUT YOU'RE >> Well, [laughter] NO, BUT BUT YOU'RE GOING TO you're going to try a billion GOING TO you're going to try a billion GOING TO you're going to try a billion different ways, and a lot of them are different ways, and a lot of them are different ways, and a lot of them are going to fail, but maybe one of them going to fail, but maybe one of them going to fail, but maybe one of them works out. works out. works out. You know, you know. You know, you know. You know, you know. >> Probably more than one out of a billion. >> Probably more than one out of a billion. >> Probably more than one out of a billion. >> Yeah, you don't create your >> Yeah, you don't create your >> Yeah, you don't create your Yeah, you don't create your ontology on Yeah, you don't create your ontology on Yeah, you don't create your ontology on top of Twitter. Let's put it that way. top of Twitter. Let's put it that way. top of Twitter. Let's put it that way. Or Or Or >> Like Twitter, you don't use 4chan as >> Like Twitter, you don't use 4chan as >> Like Twitter, you don't use 4chan as your training material, is that what your training material, is that what your training material, is that what you're saying? you're saying? you're saying? >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Oh, boy. If you use 4chan, then you may >> Oh, boy. If you use 4chan, then you may >> Oh, boy. If you use 4chan, then you may get much of what happened in the 20th get much of what happened in the 20th get much of what happened in the 20th century in Europe, right? century in Europe, right? century in Europe, right? >> Well, there you go. >> Well, there you go. >> Well, there you go. >> Yeah, it's it's yeah. >> Yeah, it's it's yeah. >> Yeah, it's it's yeah. >> Hey, so guys, since Rob and I have been >> Hey, so guys, since Rob and I have been >> Hey, so guys, since Rob and I have been holding down the fort with holding down the fort with holding down the fort with I think a number of episodes where I think a number of episodes where I think a number of episodes where >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> it was just Rob and I. >> it was just Rob and I. >> it was just Rob and I. >> NOBODY LOVES US ANYMORE. [laughter] >> NOBODY LOVES US ANYMORE. [laughter] >> NOBODY LOVES US ANYMORE. [laughter] >> ACTUALLY, YEAH. >> ACTUALLY, YEAH. >> ACTUALLY, YEAH. >> We do, we do. >> We do, we do. >> We do, we do. >> So, what have you guys been up to? Let's >> So, what have you guys been up to? Let's >> So, what have you guys been up to? Let's start with Bill.

start with Bill. start with Bill. Dude. Dude. Dude. We missed you, man. What's up? We missed you, man. What's up? We missed you, man. What's up? >> No, I you know, every time I'm like I'm >> No, I you know, every time I'm like I'm >> No, I you know, every time I'm like I'm like, oh, I got I got to jump on I got like, oh, I got I got to jump on I got like, oh, I got I got to jump on I got to jump on. But, I mean, you know, of to jump on. But, I mean, you know, of to jump on. But, I mean, you know, of course, business and money comes first. course, business and money comes first. course, business and money comes first. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh so, I mean, so I mean, we we've got some so, I mean, so I mean, we we've got some so, I mean, so I mean, we we've got some good stuff coming, man. I mean, I think good stuff coming, man. I mean, I think good stuff coming, man. I mean, I think I think I've mentioned it before, you I think I've mentioned it before, you I think I've mentioned it before, you know, we're doing some things with some know, we're doing some things with some know, we're doing some things with some with some cities. We're doing some with some cities. We're doing some with some cities. We're doing some things with some stadiums. We're doing things with some stadiums. We're doing things with some stadiums. We're doing some things We were literally And I know some things We were literally And I know some things We were literally And I know And I've been very upfront about this. And I've been very upfront about this. And I've been very upfront about this. My goal is not to go I I I don't have My goal is not to go I I I don't have My goal is not to go I I I don't have the goal of just going It's just cities. the goal of just going It's just cities. the goal of just going It's just cities. It's just this. It's just that. My goal It's just this. It's just that. My goal It's just this. It's just that. My goal is to go as broad as possible. is to go as broad as possible. is to go as broad as possible. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> INCREASE THAT TAM. >> INCREASE THAT TAM. >> INCREASE THAT TAM. >> And let the let the use cases take it >> And let the let the use cases take it >> And let the let the use cases take it deep. deep. deep. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> Increase that TAM, Sam. >> Increase that TAM, Sam. >> Increase that TAM, Sam. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> sometimes when when Bill's talking about >> sometimes when when Bill's talking about >> sometimes when when Bill's talking about showing me the money, it sometimes showing me the money, it sometimes showing me the money, it sometimes reminds me of Bob Sugar. It ain't show reminds me of Bob Sugar. It ain't show reminds me of Bob Sugar. It ain't show friends, it's show business. friends, it's show business. friends, it's show business. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There you go. 100%. I mean, look.

>> There you go. 100%. I mean, look. >> There you go. 100%. I mean, look. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> That's I mean, that's that for the most >> That's I mean, that's that for the most >> That's I mean, that's that for the most part, that's really been what what it part, that's really been what what it part, that's really been what what it is. And And I mean, I just, is. And And I mean, I just, is. And And I mean, I just, you know, you know, you know, the I I'm very serious about watching the I I'm very serious about watching the I I'm very serious about watching all of this stuff. I am so tired of all all of this stuff. I am so tired of all all of this stuff. I am so tired of all of this Every time I open up LinkedIn, of this Every time I open up LinkedIn, of this Every time I open up LinkedIn, there's somebody talking about, "Here's there's somebody talking about, "Here's there's somebody talking about, "Here's how you master Claude." It's like, how you master Claude." It's like, how you master Claude." It's like, And And And >> It's the new prompt engineering, dude. >> It's the new prompt engineering, dude. >> It's the new prompt engineering, dude. >> Are we doing this again? It's >> Are we doing this again? It's >> Are we doing this again? It's >> We're doing it again. >> We're doing it again. >> We're doing it again. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You I see that. >> You I see that. >> You I see that. >> there's going to be how to >> there's going to be how to >> there's going to be how to >> I am not going to drop the F bomb not >> I am not going to drop the F bomb not >> I am not going to drop the F bomb not once. I'm not [laughter] going to say once. I'm not [laughter] going to say once. I'm not [laughter] going to say this, and I'm not I'm not going to say this, and I'm not I'm not going to say this, and I'm not I'm not going to say that. I'm not I I come on with the that. I'm not I I come on with the that. I'm not I I come on with the greatest of intent, and then all of a greatest of intent, and then all of a greatest of intent, and then all of a sudden, it's like I'm reminded. sudden, it's like I'm reminded. sudden, it's like I'm reminded. These These These >> Here's how to Here's how to use ChatGPT. >> Here's how to Here's how to use ChatGPT. >> Here's how to Here's how to use ChatGPT. >> That's the question. >> That's the question. >> That's the question. >> What does your shirt [laughter] say? >> There you go. >> There you go. >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh >> What does the fox say? >> What does the fox say? >> What does the fox say? >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Fox hasn't said [ __ ] in a minute.

>> Fox hasn't said [ __ ] in a minute. >> Fox hasn't said [ __ ] in a minute. >> It's been a while, isn't it? >> It's been a while, isn't it? >> It's been a while, isn't it? >> By the way, Rob, speaking of that, I >> By the way, Rob, speaking of that, I >> By the way, Rob, speaking of that, I actually watched Jerry Maguire on the actually watched Jerry Maguire on the actually watched Jerry Maguire on the plane the other day. That was uh a plane the other day. That was uh a plane the other day. That was uh a >> I liked that movie. >> I liked that movie. >> I liked that movie. >> Great refresh. >> Great refresh. >> Great refresh. >> That one right there where he's talking >> That one right there where he's talking >> That one right there where he's talking to him and then Rod Rod Tidwell is the to him and then Rod Rod Tidwell is the to him and then Rod Rod Tidwell is the only only only >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> he's the only guy left. He's like He's I >> he's the only guy left. He's like He's I >> he's the only guy left. He's like He's I want you to say it with me. I'm like want you to say it with me. I'm like want you to say it with me. I'm like that I feel that in my soul. that I feel that in my soul. that I feel that in my soul. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You know, I loved that movie so much. >> You know, I loved that movie so much. >> You know, I loved that movie so much. You loving me now, huh, Jerry? You loving me now, huh, Jerry? You loving me now, huh, Jerry? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You know, other other players they have >> You know, other other players they have >> You know, other other players they have the coin, but I have the quan. the coin, but I have the quan. the coin, but I have the quan. >> The quan. >> The quan. >> The quan. >> I have the quan. >> I have the quan. >> I have the quan. >> Quan, yes. >> Quan, yes. >> Quan, yes. >> And that's what we have here in IoT >> And that's what we have here in IoT >> And that's what we have here in IoT Coffee Talk. We have the quan. Coffee Talk. We have the quan. Coffee Talk. We have the quan. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Other guys have the quan, but we have >> Other guys have the quan, but we have >> Other guys have the quan, but we have the quan. We got the love, the respect, the quan. We got the love, the respect, the quan. We got the love, the respect, the coin, we got it all. the coin, we got it all. the coin, we got it all. >> Ah, man. >> Ah, man. >> Ah, man. >> We got Mark. >> We got Mark. >> We got Mark. >> Yeah, we got Mark. We got Mark. >> Yeah, we got Mark. We got Mark. >> Yeah, we got Mark. We got Mark. We got you both of you guys representing We got you both of you guys representing We got you both of you guys representing Qualcomm, dude. Heavy.

Qualcomm, dude. Heavy. Qualcomm, dude. Heavy. >> Mm. Yeah. [clears throat] >> Mm. Yeah. [clears throat] >> Mm. Yeah. [clears throat] >> What happened? >> What happened? >> What happened? >> Well >> Well >> Well >> You know, it's in the news, man. >> You know, it's in the news, man. >> You know, it's in the news, man. >> Huh? >> Huh? >> Huh? >> It's in the news, man. Qualcomm is no >> It's in the news, man. Qualcomm is no >> It's in the news, man. Qualcomm is no longer just about longer just about longer just about cell phone chips, right? It's about cell phone chips, right? It's about cell phone chips, right? It's about everything AI. everything AI. everything AI. >> We are [snorts and clears throat] all >> We are [snorts and clears throat] all >> We are [snorts and clears throat] all Qualcomm. That's right. We are all Qualcomm. That's right. We are all Qualcomm. That's right. We are all Qualcomm. Qualcomm. Qualcomm. >> Wait. Wait. >> Wait. Wait. >> Wait. Wait. >> What happened? >> What happened? >> What happened? >> Are you >> Are you >> Are you >> Yes, but you're all Qualcomm. >> Yes, but you're all Qualcomm. >> Yes, but you're all Qualcomm. >> Qualcomm has a top tier unique strategy >> Qualcomm has a top tier unique strategy >> Qualcomm has a top tier unique strategy where it's everything AI. I don't think where it's everything AI. I don't think where it's everything AI. I don't think I've ever heard THAT BEFORE LATELY. I've ever heard THAT BEFORE LATELY. I've ever heard THAT BEFORE LATELY. >> [laughter] >> WELL, ALL RIGHT. >> WELL, ALL RIGHT. ACTUALLY, I you know, we've talked about ACTUALLY, I you know, we've talked about ACTUALLY, I you know, we've talked about this before. I think the best thing this before. I think the best thing this before. I think the best thing Qualcomm has done in the recent history Qualcomm has done in the recent history Qualcomm has done in the recent history is go, "Huh, there's sure a lot of chips is go, "Huh, there's sure a lot of chips is go, "Huh, there's sure a lot of chips in cars. in cars. in cars. If we put Snapdragons in cars, that If we put Snapdragons in cars, that If we put Snapdragons in cars, that might be a great business." And then might be a great business." And then might be a great business." And then they did it. And they did it. they did it. And they did it. they did it. And they did it. And it is a great business. Awesome. And it is a great business. Awesome. And it is a great business. Awesome. Genius. Genius. Genius. >> They'll get there. They're not They're >> They'll get there. They're not They're >> They'll get there. They're not They're not not not fully diffused into ADAS yet, but um fully diffused into ADAS yet, but um fully diffused into ADAS yet, but um yeah, they have like yeah, they have like yeah, they have like >> great progress.

>> great progress. >> great progress. >> Yeah, they are. I mean, compared to >> Yeah, they are. I mean, compared to >> Yeah, they are. I mean, compared to everyone else, I mean, they're everyone else, I mean, they're everyone else, I mean, they're And they And they And they You know, the secret is this and this is You know, the secret is this and this is You know, the secret is this and this is like a it's probably like a it's probably like a it's probably a lesson for a lesson for a lesson for the broader IoT community is they they the broader IoT community is they they the broader IoT community is they they started they focused on ADAS 2 plus, you started they focused on ADAS 2 plus, you started they focused on ADAS 2 plus, you know, SA know, SA know, SA E level E level E level 2 plus 2 plus 2 plus instead of doing all that level 5 crap, instead of doing all that level 5 crap, instead of doing all that level 5 crap, right? right? right? >> Right. More practical. >> Right. More practical. >> Right. More practical. >> Right, right. It's practical. It works. >> Right, right. It's practical. It works. >> Right, right. It's practical. It works. There's a market for it. And you know, There's a market for it. And you know, There's a market for it. And you know, think about AGI. That's like level 5, think about AGI. That's like level 5, think about AGI. That's like level 5, you know, AI nonsense, right? you know, AI nonsense, right? you know, AI nonsense, right? Where Who's talking about that crap Where Who's talking about that crap Where Who's talking about that crap anymore? Chinese pivoted the whole anymore? Chinese pivoted the whole anymore? Chinese pivoted the whole discussion toward coding agents, discussion toward coding agents, discussion toward coding agents, practical, reliable practical, reliable practical, reliable >> Practical. >> Practical. >> Practical. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We've talked about that on We've talked >> We've talked about that on We've talked >> We've talked about that on We've talked about that on the pod here. We've talked about that on the pod here. We've talked about that on the pod here. We've talked about a lot of hey, this is what we know about a lot of hey, this is what we know about a lot of hey, this is what we know works really well with AI. Let's Is works really well with AI. Let's Is works really well with AI. Let's Is there Is there value here? there Is there value here? there Is there value here? >> on tokens, not just tokens.

>> on tokens, not just tokens. >> on tokens, not just tokens. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And we've learned all this stuff >> Yeah. And we've learned all this stuff >> Yeah. And we've learned all this stuff in in the IoT in in the IoT in in the IoT >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> hype cycles already. It's just all these >> hype cycles already. It's just all these >> hype cycles already. It's just all these other guys are just, you know, late. other guys are just, you know, late. other guys are just, you know, late. >> We are like the ultimate We are the >> We are like the ultimate We are the >> We are like the ultimate We are the ultimate hype cyclers like in Tron. WE ultimate hype cyclers like in Tron. WE ultimate hype cyclers like in Tron. WE ARE HYPE CYCLERS. ARE HYPE CYCLERS. ARE HYPE CYCLERS. >> [laughter] >> THAT'S RIGHT, MAN. >> THAT'S RIGHT, MAN. >> OH my Oh my gosh. But >> OH my Oh my gosh. But >> OH my Oh my gosh. But it's such good times. Hey, I just want it's such good times. Hey, I just want it's such good times. Hey, I just want to say thanks to all you guys, man. to say thanks to all you guys, man. to say thanks to all you guys, man. Thanks for sending in quotes for the new Thanks for sending in quotes for the new Thanks for sending in quotes for the new book. It's going to end up being a hard book. It's going to end up being a hard book. It's going to end up being a hard cover. cover. cover. I'm going to spend more money I'm going to spend more money I'm going to spend more money I'm going to spend more money on I'm going to spend more money on I'm going to spend more money on printing to make it a hard cover. Well, printing to make it a hard cover. Well, printing to make it a hard cover. Well, it's just it's just it's just >> table book, like kind of a large format. >> table book, like kind of a large format. >> table book, like kind of a large format. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> I >> I >> I You know, yes, it's just like yeah, it's You know, yes, it's just like yeah, it's You know, yes, it's just like yeah, it's it's pictures of different sunsets on it's pictures of different sunsets on it's pictures of different sunsets on beaches, yeah, for the coffee table. beaches, yeah, for the coffee table. beaches, yeah, for the coffee table. >> Dogs dressed up in different costumes. >> Dogs dressed up in different costumes. >> Dogs dressed up in different costumes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, the problem is the book was the book No, the problem is the book was the book No, the problem is the book was the book was right around 600 pages. was right around 600 pages. was right around 600 pages. And I've been working hard through the And I've been working hard through the And I've been working hard through the clever use of different fonts and clever use of different fonts and clever use of different fonts and different font sizes and other things, different font sizes and other things, different font sizes and other things, I've got it down to like 4 I've got it down to like 4 I've got it down to like 4 470, 460.

470, 460. 470, 460. But it'll hold together better as a hard But it'll hold together better as a hard But it'll hold together better as a hard cover than a paperback in terms of cover than a paperback in terms of cover than a paperback in terms of thickness. thickness. thickness. >> You should >> You should >> You should You should send it to the World Economic You should send it to the World Economic You should send it to the World Economic Forum and you can start going to Davos, Forum and you can start going to Davos, Forum and you can start going to Davos, man. man. man. >> They need me at Davos. >> They need me at Davos. >> They need me at Davos. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. There's actually a World Economic Forum There's actually a World Economic Forum There's actually a World Economic Forum >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> There's a There's a WEF meeting actually >> There's a There's a WEF meeting actually >> There's a There's a WEF meeting actually in the fall, Rob, and we should try to in the fall, Rob, and we should try to in the fall, Rob, and we should try to get your book in involved in that in San get your book in involved in that in San get your book in involved in that in San Francisco. Francisco. Francisco. >> That'd be a good Okay, let's do it. >> That'd be a good Okay, let's do it. >> That'd be a good Okay, let's do it. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. Let's do >> Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. Let's do >> Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. Let's do it. I like that. it. I like that. it. I like that. >> Yeah, and the sponsor the AGI Foundation >> Yeah, and the sponsor the AGI Foundation >> Yeah, and the sponsor the AGI Foundation sponsored copies for all the attendees sponsored copies for all the attendees sponsored copies for all the attendees or something. or something. or something. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I worked with the WEF guys for a while. worked with the WEF guys for a while. worked with the WEF guys for a while. They have a whole subgroup working on They have a whole subgroup working on They have a whole subgroup working on >> Yeah, they have a whole They have some >> Yeah, they have a whole They have some >> Yeah, they have a whole They have some pretty cool pretty cool gathering. pretty cool pretty cool gathering. pretty cool pretty cool gathering. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, they had a whole group that was I mean, they had a whole group that was I mean, they had a whole group that was working on like connected intelligence, working on like connected intelligence, working on like connected intelligence, IoT IoT IoT >> Not the Davos stuff. The Davos stuff is >> Not the Davos stuff. The Davos stuff is >> Not the Davos stuff. The Davos stuff is kind of wacky, but the San Francisco kind of wacky, but the San Francisco kind of wacky, but the San Francisco stuff is pretty real. stuff is pretty real. stuff is pretty real. >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No, yeah, that's >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No, yeah, that's >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No, yeah, that's a that's a good idea.

a that's a good idea. a that's a good idea. And there's so many conferences coming And there's so many conferences coming And there's so many conferences coming up, IoT conferences in Europe. up, IoT conferences in Europe. up, IoT conferences in Europe. Um, has anyone ever been to IoT Sparks Um, has anyone ever been to IoT Sparks Um, has anyone ever been to IoT Sparks in Valencia? in Valencia? in Valencia? >> No, you mean the IoT Stars Clone? >> No, you mean the IoT Stars Clone? >> No, you mean the IoT Stars Clone? >> It's Sparks. It's like the guy from the >> It's Sparks. It's like the guy from the >> It's Sparks. It's like the guy from the Is it the Lauriat Lauriat guy? Is it the Lauriat Lauriat guy? Is it the Lauriat Lauriat guy? >> Lauriats, yeah. Sparks, I haven't heard >> Lauriats, yeah. Sparks, I haven't heard >> Lauriats, yeah. Sparks, I haven't heard the Sparks one. the Sparks one. the Sparks one. >> Sparks, yeah, they've done it for I >> Sparks, yeah, they've done it for I >> Sparks, yeah, they've done it for I don't know, just a few years. It's a don't know, just a few years. It's a don't know, just a few years. It's a one-day thing in Valencia. And and so one-day thing in Valencia. And and so one-day thing in Valencia. And and so they're like, yeah, come talk about your they're like, yeah, come talk about your they're like, yeah, come talk about your book you know and I and I know we'll all book you know and I and I know we'll all book you know and I and I know we'll all be in Amsterdam be in Amsterdam be in Amsterdam for the things. for the things. for the things. >> Oh yeah. Oh you going to be Who's going >> Oh yeah. Oh you going to be Who's going >> Oh yeah. Oh you going to be Who's going to be at things? I'm there. to be at things? I'm there. to be at things? I'm there. >> Yeah things. >> Yeah things. >> Yeah things. >> I'll be there. >> I'll be there. >> I'll be there. >> Oh jeez. >> Oh jeez. >> Oh jeez. Come on Bill. Come on Bill. Come on Bill. >> Get your ass out there. >> Get your ass out there. >> Get your ass out there. Dude hang out with us. Dude hang out with us. Dude hang out with us. >> Yeah just party Bill. >> Yeah just party Bill. >> Yeah just party Bill. >> Amsterdam so >> Amsterdam so >> Amsterdam so for the party. for the party. for the party. >> Yeah man. Come >> Yeah man. Come >> Yeah man. Come >> 22nd 23rd. >> 22nd 23rd. >> 22nd 23rd. >> 22nd >> 22nd >> 22nd >> Book those plane tickets. >> Book those plane tickets. >> Book those plane tickets. >> Yeah yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah yeah. Absolutely. >> to have an AGI >> to have an AGI >> to have an AGI lounge there lounge there lounge there with a little theater and videos and with a little theater and videos and with a little theater and videos and coffee and all kind of stuff.

coffee and all kind of stuff. coffee and all kind of stuff. >> Crazy. >> Crazy. >> Crazy. >> That'll reel them in. >> That'll reel them in. >> That'll reel them in. >> That'll reel them in. >> That'll reel them in. >> That'll reel them in. >> I'm looking at my calendar right now. >> I'm looking at my calendar right now. >> I'm looking at my calendar right now. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> No be there dude. >> No be there dude. >> No be there dude. >> Things conference. >> Things conference. >> Things conference. >> I'm there for two things. I'm there for >> I'm there for two things. I'm there for >> I'm there for two things. I'm there for CPass CPass CPass you know all this network network API you know all this network network API you know all this network network API stuff you know talk related. I'm going stuff you know talk related. I'm going stuff you know talk related. I'm going to drop in say hello to those guys. to drop in say hello to those guys. to drop in say hello to those guys. They're trying to get me to speak. They're trying to get me to speak. They're trying to get me to speak. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> So I'll I'll be uh >> So I'll I'll be uh >> So I'll I'll be uh I'm primarily there for I'm primarily there for I'm primarily there for for the things conference. It just for the things conference. It just for the things conference. It just happened that they're having that happened that they're having that happened that they're having that conference at the same time. conference at the same time. conference at the same time. >> do a little panel discussion while we're >> do a little panel discussion while we're >> do a little panel discussion while we're there. Let's let's hold a little panel. there. Let's let's hold a little panel. there. Let's let's hold a little panel. >> We could. IOT IOT coffee talk. >> We could. IOT IOT coffee talk. >> We could. IOT IOT coffee talk. >> We got IOT coffee talk panel >> We got IOT coffee talk panel >> We got IOT coffee talk panel I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. >> That's what the world needs. >> That's what the world needs. >> That's what the world needs. >> he's like let's do some panels. I'm like >> he's like let's do some panels. I'm like >> he's like let's do some panels. I'm like all right that's what I'm trying to come all right that's what I'm trying to come all right that's what I'm trying to come up with some ideas but maybe this is up with some ideas but maybe this is up with some ideas but maybe this is this is a good one. this is a good one. this is a good one. >> IOT panel discussion. >> IOT panel discussion. >> IOT panel discussion. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah we can have our own little coffee >> Yeah we can have our own little coffee >> Yeah we can have our own little coffee [laughter] shop.

[laughter] shop. [laughter] shop. >> Yeah oh my god. >> Yeah oh my god. >> Yeah oh my god. >> Amsterdam coffee shop. Yes that's where >> Amsterdam coffee shop. Yes that's where >> Amsterdam coffee shop. Yes that's where the panel's going to be. the panel's going to be. the panel's going to be. >> In a coffee shop in >> In a coffee shop in >> In a coffee shop in >> a coffee shop Bill Bill's got another >> a coffee shop Bill Bill's got another >> a coffee shop Bill Bill's got another idea around coffee shops that's a idea around coffee shops that's a idea around coffee shops that's a different thing. different thing. different thing. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah. Hey Mark are we Mark are we doing >> Yeah. Hey Mark are we Mark are we doing >> Yeah. Hey Mark are we Mark are we doing IOT stuff down there? IOT stuff down there? IOT stuff down there? >> At the Things conference now. >> At the Things conference now. >> At the Things conference now. >> I'll be there anyway. >> I'll be there anyway. >> I'll be there anyway. >> We should you guys should just let's do >> We should you guys should just let's do >> We should you guys should just let's do everything. I mean think about like you everything. I mean think about like you everything. I mean think about like you know this show know this show know this show >> All things. >> All things. >> All things. >> like the Nexus of everything >> like the Nexus of everything >> like the Nexus of everything and foundation and foundation and foundation >> show live from whatever. >> show live from whatever. >> show live from whatever. >> Oh definitely we should do a live show. >> Oh definitely we should do a live show. >> Oh definitely we should do a live show. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Sounds like we'll do some planning on >> Sounds like we'll do some planning on >> Sounds like we'll do some planning on this. this. this. >> And we might have a new Qualcomm >> And we might have a new Qualcomm >> And we might have a new Qualcomm developer podcast as well. developer podcast as well. developer podcast as well. >> I don't know if Qualcomm has anybody >> I don't know if Qualcomm has anybody >> I don't know if Qualcomm has anybody that's good at doing podcasts. I don't that's good at doing podcasts. I don't that's good at doing podcasts. I don't know. know. know. >> I want to try and and ask around. >> I want to try and and ask around. >> I want to try and and ask around. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Ask around. >> Ask around. >> Ask around. >> You know if he can't has he doesn't have >> You know if he can't has he doesn't have >> You know if he can't has he doesn't have anything to do with anything to do with anything to do with IoT or at least it directly but if you IoT or at least it directly but if you IoT or at least it directly but if you can get John Smee that dude is so can get John Smee that dude is so can get John Smee that dude is so freaking hilarious.

freaking hilarious. freaking hilarious. >> Smee from Qualcomm yeah. He's great. >> Smee from Qualcomm yeah. He's great. >> [laughter] >> Off camera that guy. >> Off camera that guy. >> Off camera that guy. >> Passed on to me. Uh yeah we'll we'll >> Passed on to me. Uh yeah we'll we'll >> Passed on to me. Uh yeah we'll we'll chat to him we'll see. chat to him we'll see. chat to him we'll see. >> Hey John what's up? >> Hey John what's up? >> Hey John what's up? >> [laughter] >> Speaking of >> Speaking of I was in I was in I was in actually speaking of Statue of Liberty I actually speaking of Statue of Liberty I actually speaking of Statue of Liberty I was actually in France for about a week was actually in France for about a week was actually in France for about a week after our London event and I saw the after our London event and I saw the after our London event and I saw the original kind of smaller sculpture of original kind of smaller sculpture of original kind of smaller sculpture of the Statue of Liberty in the museum you the Statue of Liberty in the museum you the Statue of Liberty in the museum you say. Pretty cool. say. Pretty cool. say. Pretty cool. >> It was. >> It was. >> It was. >> Small small fabrication but we had we >> Small small fabrication but we had we >> Small small fabrication but we had we had a big event in London a few weeks had a big event in London a few weeks had a big event in London a few weeks ago. ago. ago. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah I London. >> Yeah I London. >> Yeah I London. >> How was that? >> How was that? >> How was that? >> It was awesome. It was awesome. I was >> It was awesome. It was awesome. I was >> It was awesome. It was awesome. I was like like like it was our we're up about 30% in it was our we're up about 30% in it was our we're up about 30% in attendance from the year before so we attendance from the year before so we attendance from the year before so we really packed it. really packed it. really packed it. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> At the Pullman in London it's very >> At the Pullman in London it's very >> At the Pullman in London it's very central and yeah we had more partners central and yeah we had more partners central and yeah we had more partners there than in San Diego which was there than in San Diego which was there than in San Diego which was interesting. So interesting. So interesting. So >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> It was packed. >> It was packed. >> It was packed. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> Yeah I mean they were pushing some of >> Yeah I mean they were pushing some of >> Yeah I mean they were pushing some of the YouTube videos out now so you can the YouTube videos out now so you can the YouTube videos out now so you can see them but really good keynotes and see them but really good keynotes and see them but really good keynotes and panels and fireside chats and we had panels and fireside chats and we had panels and fireside chats and we had we actually had a we actually had a we actually had a all day kind of Arduino. We had the all day kind of Arduino. We had the all day kind of Arduino. We had the Arduino Ventuno Q Arduino Ventuno Q Arduino Ventuno Q world's first Ventuno Q uh workshop world's first Ventuno Q uh workshop world's first Ventuno Q uh workshop there for hands-on that. We had there for hands-on that. We had there for hands-on that. We had >> Hotness.

>> Hotness. >> Hotness. >> NXP 820 first uh there you go. You got >> NXP 820 first uh there you go. You got >> NXP 820 first uh there you go. You got the Ventuno Q right there. So, we had the Ventuno Q right there. So, we had the Ventuno Q right there. So, we had some cool workshops, too. But, it was some cool workshops, too. But, it was some cool workshops, too. But, it was fun. It was packed and it was uh you fun. It was packed and it was uh you fun. It was packed and it was uh you know, London was really cool and we know, London was really cool and we know, London was really cool and we spent the week in London, too, just kind spent the week in London, too, just kind spent the week in London, too, just kind of hanging out. We had a Hardware of hanging out. We had a Hardware of hanging out. We had a Hardware Pioneers Pioneers Pioneers event there as well and we did panels at event there as well and we did panels at event there as well and we did panels at Hardware Pioneers. Um Hardware Pioneers. Um Hardware Pioneers. Um and that was fun, but uh and the weather and that was fun, but uh and the weather and that was fun, but uh and the weather was good, so it wasn't hot. was good, so it wasn't hot. was good, so it wasn't hot. And And And but yeah, everything's happening in but yeah, everything's happening in but yeah, everything's happening in London. It's a London. It's a London. It's a >> Dude, you guys are you guys are lucky >> Dude, you guys are you guys are lucky >> Dude, you guys are you guys are lucky because when I was at DTW Copenhagen, because when I was at DTW Copenhagen, because when I was at DTW Copenhagen, uh uh uh you know, I was hearing that was like you know, I was hearing that was like you know, I was hearing that was like 113. 113. 113. >> Well, there was a huge heat wave like a >> Well, there was a huge heat wave like a >> Well, there was a huge heat wave like a couple of weeks before. Yeah, and that couple of weeks before. Yeah, and that couple of weeks before. Yeah, and that was like was like was like yikes. No, ours was we we we got right yikes. No, ours was we we we got right yikes. No, ours was we we we got right in the window um where it was very nice. in the window um where it was very nice. in the window um where it was very nice. So, even a little rainy one day, but uh So, even a little rainy one day, but uh So, even a little rainy one day, but uh but yeah, it's a lot of fun. but yeah, it's a lot of fun. but yeah, it's a lot of fun. >> Maybe I'll go next year just for the >> Maybe I'll go next year just for the >> Maybe I'll go next year just for the hell of it and we can go jam. hell of it and we can go jam. hell of it and we can go jam. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I will go for Edge AI. >> I will go for Edge AI. >> I will go for Edge AI. Uh I I'll I'll I'll go there just to jam Uh I I'll I'll I'll go there just to jam Uh I I'll I'll I'll go there just to jam with you, dude.

with you, dude. with you, dude. >> Our planning basically around Europe for >> Our planning basically around Europe for >> Our planning basically around Europe for next year is just to avoid the heat. next year is just to avoid the heat. next year is just to avoid the heat. Like, we just need to figure out the Like, we just need to figure out the Like, we just need to figure out the place to go and the time of year to place to go and the time of year to place to go and the time of year to avoid the heat. So, we'll probably do it avoid the heat. So, we'll probably do it avoid the heat. So, we'll probably do it earlier in the year. earlier in the year. earlier in the year. Maybe in the first half of the year for Maybe in the first half of the year for Maybe in the first half of the year for Europe next year cuz it's just we did Europe next year cuz it's just we did Europe next year cuz it's just we did Milan the year before and that was also Milan the year before and that was also Milan the year before and that was also a sweltering, so a sweltering, so a sweltering, so Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Europe in the summer, I mean, you know, Europe in the summer, I mean, you know, Europe in the summer, I mean, you know, Mark, it's just getting a little Mark, it's just getting a little Mark, it's just getting a little >> How about Edge AI in Iceland? >> How about Edge AI in Iceland? >> How about Edge AI in Iceland? >> Oh my god, that would be great. >> Oh my god, that would be great. >> Oh my god, that would be great. >> Reykjavik? >> Reykjavik? >> Reykjavik? >> In January, you can go to Canary Island. >> In January, you can go to Canary Island. >> In January, you can go to Canary Island. Um Um Um and that's going to be like uh very and that's going to be like uh very and that's going to be like uh very good. Yeah. good. Yeah. good. Yeah. >> That sounds good. >> Cool spot. >> Cool spot. >> Talking about Talking about >> Talking about Talking about >> Talking about Talking about [clears throat] events and um I know the [clears throat] events and um I know the [clears throat] events and um I know the group here likes to uh dwell in the past group here likes to uh dwell in the past group here likes to uh dwell in the past and make and make and make you know you know you know say hey we've been doing that in the say hey we've been doing that in the say hey we've been doing that in the past already. You seen that post I I past already. You seen that post I I past already. You seen that post I I published when I was published when I was published when I was walking down memory lane and and found walking down memory lane and and found walking down memory lane and and found that some videos of MEDC 27 that some videos of MEDC 27 that some videos of MEDC 27 2007 2007 2007 >> Oh.

>> Oh. >> Oh. >> where we were >> where we were >> where we were at the in in Vegas at the Venetian like at the in in Vegas at the Venetian like at the in in Vegas at the Venetian like huge IoT and mobile event and we were huge IoT and mobile event and we were huge IoT and mobile event and we were building that we had that competition of building that we had that competition of building that we had that competition of sumo bots controlling a vacuum base with sumo bots controlling a vacuum base with sumo bots controlling a vacuum base with little goodness e-box little goodness e-box little goodness e-box using robotics studio with a camera to using robotics studio with a camera to using robotics studio with a camera to track and push out the opponent and it track and push out the opponent and it track and push out the opponent and it was like there was no AI. was like there was no AI. was like there was no AI. It was like you know pure embedded It was like you know pure embedded It was like you know pure embedded computing. We're doing exactly the same computing. We're doing exactly the same computing. We're doing exactly the same thing we're asking people to do at thing we're asking people to do at thing we're asking people to do at workshops and hackathons with a little workshops and hackathons with a little workshops and hackathons with a little bots using AI. That was just like bots using AI. That was just like bots using AI. That was just like >> It all worked back then. >> It all worked back then. >> It all worked back then. Yeah, that was awesome. You know Yeah, that was awesome. You know Yeah, that was awesome. You know No, but you know dude it it's so funny No, but you know dude it it's so funny No, but you know dude it it's so funny that that that >> [laughter] >> Yeah, it's a it's great to remind people >> Yeah, it's a it's great to remind people um um um what you think is new is not new. I mean what you think is new is not new. I mean what you think is new is not new. I mean what I want to see the VCs man. I'm what I want to see the VCs man. I'm what I want to see the VCs man. I'm telling you some people think that a telling you some people think that a telling you some people think that a 20-year-old idea that was 20-year-old idea that was 20-year-old idea that was that was the [ __ ] that was the [ __ ] that was the [ __ ] a long time ago 20 years ago is new.

a long time ago 20 years ago is new. a long time ago 20 years ago is new. It's and then I have to tell them no It's and then I have to tell them no It's and then I have to tell them no this stuff is not new and let me give this stuff is not new and let me give this stuff is not new and let me give you the genealogy of how this stuff has you the genealogy of how this stuff has you the genealogy of how this stuff has evolved. It's important especially for evolved. It's important especially for evolved. It's important especially for startups because some people think they startups because some people think they startups because some people think they have like this novel technology but the have like this novel technology but the have like this novel technology but the technology doesn't translate into technology doesn't translate into technology doesn't translate into a novel solution, you know? So it's a novel solution, you know? So it's a novel solution, you know? So it's great that you I mean that's great that you I mean that's great that you I mean that's >> All the all those engineers Olivier have >> All the all those engineers Olivier have >> All the all those engineers Olivier have taken the voluntary retirement package taken the voluntary retirement package taken the voluntary retirement package from Microsoft. from Microsoft. from Microsoft. Do that. Ouch. And then Ouch. And then they're going to be on YouTube throwing they're going to be on YouTube throwing they're going to be on YouTube throwing [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> They'll be they'll be on YouTube. >> They'll be they'll be on YouTube. >> They'll be they'll be on YouTube. with their new ideas. with their new ideas. with their new ideas. >> You know, Olivia, you know, Olivia, you >> You know, Olivia, you know, Olivia, you >> You know, Olivia, you know, Olivia, you know what we proved is we can take a know what we proved is we can take a know what we proved is we can take a really cool club like Tao and just ruin really cool club like Tao and just ruin really cool club like Tao and just ruin the whole thing and fill it full of nerd the whole thing and fill it full of nerd the whole thing and fill it full of nerd guys, you know, with robots. guys, you know, with robots. guys, you know, with robots. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Totally. And and the videos are awesome. >> Totally. And and the videos are awesome. >> Totally. And and the videos are awesome. I mean, you see the interviews and so I mean, you see the interviews and so I mean, you see the interviews and so on, you're just like and and the quality on, you're just like and and the quality on, you're just like and and the quality of the video is so 20 or 30 years old.

of the video is so 20 or 30 years old. of the video is so 20 or 30 years old. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> VHS kind of, right? >> VHS kind of, right? >> VHS kind of, right? >> We had What's the name of this >> We had What's the name of this >> We had What's the name of this announcer? For the box announcer, um, announcer? For the box announcer, um, announcer? For the box announcer, um, Michael something. Was doing like like Michael something. Was doing like like Michael something. Was doing like like ready let's get ready to rumble? ready let's get ready to rumble? ready let's get ready to rumble? >> Ready to rumble. Yeah. >> Ready to rumble. Yeah. >> Ready to rumble. Yeah. Isn't that awesome? And Isn't that awesome? And Isn't that awesome? And And you had And you And you had And you And you had And you Yeah, Derek Snyder and Mike Hall like Yeah, Derek Snyder and Mike Hall like Yeah, Derek Snyder and Mike Hall like jumping into people's sessions and jumping into people's sessions and jumping into people's sessions and >> And the guy Mike Hall was the announcer? >> And the guy Mike Hall was the announcer? >> And the guy Mike Hall was the announcer? Was the announcer? Was the announcer? Was the announcer? >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. Remember Microsoft has unlimited Yes. Remember Microsoft has unlimited Yes. Remember Microsoft has unlimited money, so you could do crazy [ __ ] like money, so you could do crazy [ __ ] like money, so you could do crazy [ __ ] like that, right? that, right? that, right? >> right. I forgot about that. I forgot >> right. I forgot about that. I forgot >> right. I forgot about that. I forgot about that. about that. about that. >> Never let budget get in the way of >> Never let budget get in the way of >> Never let budget get in the way of success. That's what our That's what our success. That's what our That's what our success. That's what our That's what our motto was. motto was. motto was. >> [laughter] >> Oh. >> Oh. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. >> Those were the days. But yeah, >> Those were the days. But yeah, >> Those were the days. But yeah, everything old is new again, right? So everything old is new again, right? So everything old is new again, right? So we're still teaching folks how to play we're still teaching folks how to play we're still teaching folks how to play with the stuff and build stuff and uh with the stuff and build stuff and uh with the stuff and build stuff and uh But yeah, at the end of the day, But yeah, at the end of the day, But yeah, at the end of the day, Leonard, you're right. It's It's about Leonard, you're right. It's It's about Leonard, you're right. It's It's about this solving the problem as opposed to this solving the problem as opposed to this solving the problem as opposed to making the tech and uh making the tech and uh making the tech and uh you know. you know. you know. >> The tech's the easy part.

>> The tech's the easy part. >> The tech's the easy part. >> No, then you have to solve the problem. >> No, then you have to solve the problem. >> No, then you have to solve the problem. >> And I guess there was, you know, I think >> And I guess there was, you know, I think >> And I guess there was, you know, I think we've done like for those who have been we've done like for those who have been we've done like for those who have been at Microsoft and these big companies at Microsoft and these big companies at Microsoft and these big companies were innovating, like looking at were innovating, like looking at were innovating, like looking at problems today, trying solutions to problems today, trying solutions to problems today, trying solutions to solve them, not finding them, but then solve them, not finding them, but then solve them, not finding them, but then 20 years later you you might have a 20 years later you you might have a 20 years later you you might have a different technical solution to the same different technical solution to the same different technical solution to the same problem. Because it's not been solved problem. Because it's not been solved problem. Because it's not been solved yet. Right? But we've looked at these yet. Right? But we've looked at these yet. Right? But we've looked at these problems and they've been here for a problems and they've been here for a problems and they've been here for a long time and and some engineers have long time and and some engineers have long time and and some engineers have tried some solutions at the time. They tried some solutions at the time. They tried some solutions at the time. They weren't working. Kind of [clears throat] weren't working. Kind of [clears throat] weren't working. Kind of [clears throat] or not I don't know if it was like or not I don't know if it was like or not I don't know if it was like efficient or had a good ROI or what not, efficient or had a good ROI or what not, efficient or had a good ROI or what not, but uh but uh but uh yeah, the problems as long as they're yeah, the problems as long as they're yeah, the problems as long as they're not solved, you know, people will try not solved, you know, people will try not solved, you know, people will try new solutions on them. new solutions on them. new solutions on them. >> Yeah. Well, I mean look at I mean Rob >> Yeah. Well, I mean look at I mean Rob >> Yeah. Well, I mean look at I mean Rob knows about agriculture, you know, knows about agriculture, you know, knows about agriculture, you know, agriculture's been around for thousands agriculture's been around for thousands agriculture's been around for thousands of years, right? And we've been trying of years, right? And we've been trying of years, right? And we've been trying to apply tech to agriculture since to apply tech to agriculture since to apply tech to agriculture since >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> there's been the the invention of the >> there's been the the invention of the >> there's been the the invention of the plow, you know, so plow, you know, so plow, you know, so >> Right. Absolutely. >> Right. Absolutely. >> Right. Absolutely. >> the problems are still there and now we >> the problems are still there and now we >> the problems are still there and now we now we have more autonomous, you know, now we have more autonomous, you know, now we have more autonomous, you know, weed pulling systems and uh weed pulling systems and uh weed pulling systems and uh you know, satellite-based drought you know, satellite-based drought you know, satellite-based drought inspection and uh apple inspection with inspection and uh apple inspection with inspection and uh apple inspection with drones and stuff like that, but uh the drones and stuff like that, but uh the drones and stuff like that, but uh the tech keeps evolving, but the problems tech keeps evolving, but the problems tech keeps evolving, but the problems still are still are there, so still are still are there, so still are still are there, so >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Hey, you know, you guys uh >> Yeah. Hey, you know, you guys uh >> Yeah. Hey, you know, you guys uh inspired a new thought here. inspired a new thought here. inspired a new thought here. Innovation slop. So, you guys mentioned Innovation slop. So, you guys mentioned Innovation slop. So, you guys mentioned how Microsoft um their policy was or how Microsoft um their policy was or how Microsoft um their policy was or whatever their mantra was, uh you know, whatever their mantra was, uh you know, whatever their mantra was, uh you know, what was it? Budget unlimited budget? what was it? Budget unlimited budget? what was it? Budget unlimited budget? >> budget get in the way of success. >> budget get in the way of success. >> budget get in the way of success. >> Yeah, yeah. I mean think about all the >> Yeah, yeah. I mean think about all the >> Yeah, yeah. I mean think about all the slop that that creates cuz people think, slop that that creates cuz people think, slop that that creates cuz people think, "Oh, yeah, we're innovative." Well, "Oh, yeah, we're innovative." Well, "Oh, yeah, we're innovative." Well, who gives a [ __ ] if you're inventing or who gives a [ __ ] if you're inventing or who gives a [ __ ] if you're inventing or imagining stupid crap, right? And imagining stupid crap, right? And imagining stupid crap, right? And useless stuff that, you know, useless stuff that, you know, useless stuff that, you know, it's the quality of innovation and it's the quality of innovation and it's the quality of innovation and invention that matters, invention that matters, invention that matters, >> Right. It's not like >> Right. It's not like >> Right. It's not like >> you have unlimited budget to explore >> you have unlimited budget to explore >> you have unlimited budget to explore every stupid idea out there. every stupid idea out there. every stupid idea out there. >> And think about it, like Leonard, you >> And think about it, like Leonard, you >> And think about it, like Leonard, you need all these stupid ideas to end up need all these stupid ideas to end up need all these stupid ideas to end up with one that works, you know? Um with one that works, you know? Um with one that works, you know? Um like my stuff started because [laughter] like my stuff started because [laughter] like my stuff started because [laughter] Well, they started with MP3 player and Well, they started with MP3 player and Well, they started with MP3 player and then, you know, pocket PCs, now we have then, you know, pocket PCs, now we have then, you know, pocket PCs, now we have the iPhone. They started with tablet the iPhone. They started with tablet the iPhone. They started with tablet PCs, now we have actual tablets. PCs, now we have actual tablets. PCs, now we have actual tablets. >> this thing. >> this thing. >> this thing. >> Yeah, but but but hey, were MP3 players >> Yeah, but but but hey, were MP3 players >> Yeah, but but but hey, were MP3 players ever a really bad idea?

ever a really bad idea? ever a really bad idea? I thought they were great ideas. The I thought they were great ideas. The I thought they were great ideas. The only only only >> Yeah. problem was how do I get the music >> Yeah. problem was how do I get the music >> Yeah. problem was how do I get the music onto my library, onto the storage, and onto my library, onto the storage, and onto my library, onto the storage, and then what do we do about the quality? then what do we do about the quality? then what do we do about the quality? Uh but yeah, those were all solved, but Uh but yeah, those were all solved, but Uh but yeah, those were all solved, but I don't think the I don't think the I don't think the >> But I don't know. There is a There is a >> But I don't know. There is a There is a >> But I don't know. There is a There is a You know, and sometimes ideas pop up for You know, and sometimes ideas pop up for You know, and sometimes ideas pop up for one solution, and it turns out they're one solution, and it turns out they're one solution, and it turns out they're actually more applicable for something actually more applicable for something actually more applicable for something totally different. So, totally different. So, totally different. So, you know, sometimes the technology, you know, sometimes the technology, you know, sometimes the technology, uh you know, finds either finds its uh you know, finds either finds its uh you know, finds either finds its solution that wasn't originally intended solution that wasn't originally intended solution that wasn't originally intended for or or not, but I don't know. There's for or or not, but I don't know. There's for or or not, but I don't know. There's something something about letting something something about letting something something about letting letting a thousand flowers bloom. That letting a thousand flowers bloom. That letting a thousand flowers bloom. That being said, I don't want to be a VC being said, I don't want to be a VC being said, I don't want to be a VC that's, you know, that's, you know, that's, you know, um spending money on a thousand flowers. um spending money on a thousand flowers. um spending money on a thousand flowers. I want to spend money I want to spend money I want to spend money >> So, you >> So, you >> So, you say that you say that, and immediately say that you say that, and immediately say that you say that, and immediately the first thing that popped into my head the first thing that popped into my head the first thing that popped into my head was Viagra. was Viagra. was Viagra. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I mean, because it was it was meant It >> I mean, because it was it was meant It >> I mean, because it was it was meant It was meant for people with heart was meant for people with heart was meant for people with heart problems. problems. problems. >> Problems, yeah. >> Problems, yeah. >> Problems, yeah. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah. Turns out it had a second-order >> Yeah. Turns out it had a second-order >> Yeah. Turns out it had a second-order effect, and they were like, That's the effect, and they were like, That's the effect, and they were like, That's the money money money >> You named the primary.

>> You named the primary. >> You named the primary. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Let me try that pill. >> Let me try that pill. >> Let me try that pill. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Check it out. >> Check it out. >> Check it out. >> I'm a beta. >> I'm a beta. >> I'm a beta. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> That's right. So, that's a prob- that's >> That's right. So, that's a prob- that's >> That's right. So, that's a prob- that's a solution that found a problem. a solution that found a problem. a solution that found a problem. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> So, was Was the >> So, was Was the >> So, was Was the Was the Zune the end state for music, or Was the Zune the end state for music, or Was the Zune the end state for music, or was that just a Well, was that just a Well, was that just a Well, >> The Zune? >> The Zune? >> The Zune? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'm just I'm just thinking we had all >> I'm just I'm just thinking we had all >> I'm just I'm just thinking we had all these music players, MP3, and then we these music players, MP3, and then we these music players, MP3, and then we got the iPod, and then of course, got the iPod, and then of course, got the iPod, and then of course, Microsoft was in that phase of Hmm, Microsoft was in that phase of Hmm, Microsoft was in that phase of Hmm, we're going to copy people with Bing and we're going to copy people with Bing and we're going to copy people with Bing and Zune and other things. Zune and other things. Zune and other things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, but you know, so just to dig into >> Well, but you know, so just to dig into >> Well, but you know, so just to dig into the Zune world a little bit, since I was the Zune world a little bit, since I was the Zune world a little bit, since I was on that team, the uh on that team, the uh on that team, the uh the [clears throat] the the platform the [clears throat] the the platform the [clears throat] the the platform Microsoft was in the portable music Microsoft was in the portable music Microsoft was in the portable music platform business, platform business, platform business, you know, before really before the iPod, you know, before really before the iPod, you know, before really before the iPod, right? And then right? And then right? And then and the classic licensing business where and the classic licensing business where and the classic licensing business where they thought everything was Windows and they thought everything was Windows and they thought everything was Windows and everyone would pay them licensing and everyone would pay them licensing and everyone would pay them licensing and then got religion to say we just need to then got religion to say we just need to then got religion to say we just need to build something, which actually build something, which actually build something, which actually was the right idea was to build was the right idea was to build was the right idea was to build something. That's what they should have something. That's what they should have something. That's what they should have done with phones, too, is just build done with phones, too, is just build done with phones, too, is just build something. Um something. Um something. Um >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> but they built it, you know, 5 or 6 >> but they built it, you know, 5 or 6 >> but they built it, you know, 5 or 6 years late and years late and years late and >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> Too late, yeah. >> Too late, yeah. >> Too late, yeah. >> all that good stuff, but uh it's >> all that good stuff, but uh it's >> all that good stuff, but uh it's interesting idea of like sometimes the interesting idea of like sometimes the interesting idea of like sometimes the tech, you know, is the the go-to-market tech, you know, is the the go-to-market tech, you know, is the the go-to-market becomes the problem, not the tech. becomes the problem, not the tech. becomes the problem, not the tech. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So >> So >> So >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They had the tech, they had the >> They had the tech, they had the >> They had the tech, they had the platform. They had all the pieces. They platform. They had all the pieces. They platform. They had all the pieces. They just uh you know just uh you know just uh you know >> But they let the budget get in the way >> But they let the budget get in the way >> But they let the budget get in the way of success, right? Cuz they didn't go of success, right? Cuz they didn't go of success, right? Cuz they didn't go full on with go to market. full on with go to market. full on with go to market. >> Well, with Zune, I think we didn't have >> Well, with Zune, I think we didn't have >> Well, with Zune, I think we didn't have any budget issues with Zune, but um but any budget issues with Zune, but um but any budget issues with Zune, but um but yes, with phone, you know, like the yes, with phone, you know, like the yes, with phone, you know, like the famous story, if you look watch Rob and famous story, if you look watch Rob and famous story, if you look watch Rob and I's nine-part series on YouTube Windows I's nine-part series on YouTube Windows I's nine-part series on YouTube Windows Phone WTF, there were several points Phone WTF, there were several points Phone WTF, there were several points where they could have built phones and where they could have built phones and where they could have built phones and the bud because they sunk billions into the bud because they sunk billions into the bud because they sunk billions into Xbox, Xbox, Xbox, the executives at Microsoft were the executives at Microsoft were the executives at Microsoft were hesitant to get into the phone business hesitant to get into the phone business hesitant to get into the phone business cuz they had already dug a hole with cuz they had already dug a hole with cuz they had already dug a hole with Xbox at the time. Xbox at the time. Xbox at the time. >> Can we Can we have a quick Steve Ballmer >> Can we Can we have a quick Steve Ballmer >> Can we Can we have a quick Steve Ballmer impersonation of that moment? So, you're impersonation of that moment? So, you're impersonation of that moment? So, you're expecting me to buy HTC for a billion expecting me to buy HTC for a billion expecting me to buy HTC for a billion dollars and I'm losing money hand over dollars and I'm losing money hand over dollars and I'm losing money hand over fist in this stupid Xbox thing?

fist in this stupid Xbox thing? fist in this stupid Xbox thing? >> Yes, a billion dollars, a billion >> Yes, a billion dollars, a billion >> Yes, a billion dollars, a billion dollars. dollars. dollars. >> A BILLION DOLLARS. THINK ABOUT HOW Think >> A BILLION DOLLARS. THINK ABOUT HOW Think >> A BILLION DOLLARS. THINK ABOUT HOW Think about how quickly people throw around a about how quickly people throw around a about how quickly people throw around a billion dollars these days like it's billion dollars these days like it's billion dollars these days like it's nothing. nothing. nothing. >> It's like an acquihire these days, a >> It's like an acquihire these days, a >> It's like an acquihire these days, a billion dollars. billion dollars. billion dollars. >> It's like an acquihire, exactly. So, I >> It's like an acquihire, exactly. So, I >> It's like an acquihire, exactly. So, I think the takeaway here is build sooner. think the takeaway here is build sooner. think the takeaway here is build sooner. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Bet on yourself to win. Bet on yourself >> Bet on yourself to win. Bet on yourself >> Bet on yourself to win. Bet on yourself to win. Don't bet on your partners to to win. Don't bet on your partners to to win. Don't bet on your partners to beat make you successful, right? So beat make you successful, right? So beat make you successful, right? So >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And yeah. >> And yeah. >> And yeah. >> I was thinking about what you guys said >> I was thinking about what you guys said >> I was thinking about what you guys said to Lee Rubenstein, you know, maybe some to Lee Rubenstein, you know, maybe some to Lee Rubenstein, you know, maybe some technology can solve some other random technology can solve some other random technology can solve some other random problems that you were not trying to problems that you were not trying to problems that you were not trying to solve. So, maybe that's a good solve. So, maybe that's a good solve. So, maybe that's a good consulting business where you you go to consulting business where you you go to consulting business where you you go to company say, "Hey, you have a solution, company say, "Hey, you have a solution, company say, "Hey, you have a solution, a technology. Let me find all the a technology. Let me find all the a technology. Let me find all the scenarios and use cases you did not scenarios and use cases you did not scenarios and use cases you did not think about that might actually make you think about that might actually make you think about that might actually make you more money. more money. more money. >> That'd be a good service for VCs, >> That'd be a good service for VCs, >> That'd be a good service for VCs, actually. You go to a VC who's got a actually. You go to a VC who's got a actually. You go to a VC who's got a portfolio of 20 failing companies and portfolio of 20 failing companies and portfolio of 20 failing companies and say, "Let me [clears throat] take all say, "Let me [clears throat] take all say, "Let me [clears throat] take all these ideas and find new homes for them, these ideas and find new homes for them, these ideas and find new homes for them, new new new markets." new new new markets." new new new markets." >> That's actually a great idea. >> That's actually a great idea. >> That's actually a great idea. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, there's untouched untapped use >> You know, there's untouched untapped use >> You know, there's untouched untapped use cases that aren't very cases that aren't very cases that aren't very >> TM.

>> TM. >> TM. >> Yeah, there you go. TM, yes. >> Yeah, there you go. TM, yes. >> Yeah, there you go. TM, yes. All right. All right. All right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's your evil twin. >> That's your evil twin. >> That's your evil twin. >> There you go, yeah. >> There you go, yeah. >> There you go, yeah. >> [laughter] >> I love it. I love it. Oh my god. >> I love it. I love it. Oh my god. >> So, what's everybody doing for the 4th >> So, what's everybody doing for the 4th >> So, what's everybody doing for the 4th of July tomorrow? Anything exciting? of July tomorrow? Anything exciting? of July tomorrow? Anything exciting? >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> I want to know what Mark is doing. >> I want to know what Mark is doing. >> I want to know what Mark is doing. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Mark Mark's keeping cool. That's what >> Mark Mark's keeping cool. That's what >> Mark Mark's keeping cool. That's what he's doing. he's doing. he's doing. >> Uh tomorrow is Saturday. I don't know. >> Uh tomorrow is Saturday. I don't know. >> Uh tomorrow is Saturday. I don't know. Nothing happens here. Nothing happens here. Nothing happens here. >> Just another Saturday. >> Just another Saturday. >> Just another Saturday. >> What What happens in the in the US? >> What What happens in the in the US? >> What What happens in the in the US? >> You're not going to wish us a happy >> You're not going to wish us a happy >> You're not going to wish us a happy birthday, 250? birthday, 250? birthday, 250? >> Sure, yeah. Happy birthday. >> Sure, yeah. Happy birthday. >> Sure, yeah. Happy birthday. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Oh, jeez. >> Oh, jeez. >> Oh, jeez. >> You're not very >> You're not very >> You're not very enthusiastic. [clears throat] enthusiastic. [clears throat] enthusiastic. [clears throat] >> Well, you know, we only celebrate >> Well, you know, we only celebrate >> Well, you know, we only celebrate defeat. So, defeat. So, defeat. So, >> In Europe, you guys Defeat and celebrate? Defeat and celebrate? >> We don't say happy birthday. >> We don't say happy birthday. >> We don't say happy birthday. >> I see. >> I see. >> I see. We have a We have a little neighborhood We have a We have a little neighborhood We have a We have a little neighborhood 4th of July party at the pool, and we do 4th of July party at the pool, and we do 4th of July party at the pool, and we do I'm actually running a I'm actually running a I'm actually running a trivia contest tomorrow.

trivia contest tomorrow. trivia contest tomorrow. >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> Using your radio voice, okay. >> Using your radio voice, okay. >> Using your radio voice, okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> A trivia contest contest or >> A trivia contest contest or >> A trivia contest contest or >> I'm going to It's It's just American >> I'm going to It's It's just American >> I'm going to It's It's just American history content, so. history content, so. history content, so. >> Oh, cool. >> Oh, cool. >> Oh, cool. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> For example, do you know the three Do >> For example, do you know the three Do >> For example, do you know the three Do you know which president was born on the you know which president was born on the you know which president was born on the 4th of July? Does anyone know? I don't know. Calvin Coolidge. I don't know. Calvin Coolidge. >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> Wow. Wow, born on the 4th of July. >> Wow. Wow, born on the 4th of July. >> Wow. Wow, born on the 4th of July. >> And then the three the three presidents >> And then the three the three presidents >> And then the three the three presidents that died on the 4th of July? that died on the 4th of July? that died on the 4th of July? >> What, three? >> What, three? >> What, three? >> There's three. >> There's three. >> There's three. >> Oh my gosh. Wow. >> Oh my gosh. Wow. >> Oh my gosh. Wow. >> I know it was Jefferson and John Adams >> I know it was Jefferson and John Adams >> I know it was Jefferson and John Adams were two, and then there's a third. I were two, and then there's a third. I were two, and then there's a third. I think it was Was it think it was Was it think it was Was it >> Andrew Jackson. >> Andrew Jackson. >> Andrew Jackson. >> McKinley was assassinated, so that >> McKinley was assassinated, so that >> McKinley was assassinated, so that doesn't count. doesn't count. doesn't count. >> They couldn't take the the fireworks? >> They couldn't take the the fireworks? >> They couldn't take the the fireworks? They got scared and had a heart attack They got scared and had a heart attack They got scared and had a heart attack or something? or something? or something? >> Who did? >> Who did? >> Who did? >> Maybe they had a heart attack. >> Maybe they had a heart attack. >> Maybe they had a heart attack. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> They had a heart attack cuz of >> They had a heart attack cuz of >> They had a heart attack cuz of fireworks. Yeah, you know what? No. But fireworks. Yeah, you know what? No. But fireworks. Yeah, you know what? No. But that's a good way to, you know, cuz that's a good way to, you know, cuz that's a good way to, you know, cuz that's what Worf would say on Star Trek. that's what Worf would say on Star Trek. that's what Worf would say on Star Trek. That's a good way to die. On the 4th of That's a good way to die. On the 4th of That's a good way to die. On the 4th of July, as the president. July, as the president. July, as the president. Captain Picard says, "Today is a good Captain Picard says, "Today is a good Captain Picard says, "Today is a good day to die."

day to die." day to die." >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yes, exactly. You know, my favorite 4th >> Yes, exactly. You know, my favorite 4th >> Yes, exactly. You know, my favorite 4th of July meme that I always see is that of July meme that I always see is that of July meme that I always see is that picture of George Washington on the picture of George Washington on the picture of George Washington on the horse pointing the sword. horse pointing the sword. horse pointing the sword. So, you know, "Hey Britain, I guess you So, you know, "Hey Britain, I guess you So, you know, "Hey Britain, I guess you got to go to work tomorrow." got to go to work tomorrow." got to go to work tomorrow." >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> It's just another day for you guys. Oh >> It's just another day for you guys. Oh >> It's just another day for you guys. Oh my god. my god. my god. >> Well, you know what? Um I a couple of >> Well, you know what? Um I a couple of >> Well, you know what? Um I a couple of years ago, I was in London for um years ago, I was in London for um years ago, I was in London for um um during the 4th um during the 4th um during the 4th uh for a AWS event. And you know what? uh for a AWS event. And you know what? uh for a AWS event. And you know what? In London, they I don't know if they In London, they I don't know if they In London, they I don't know if they they they they >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> I don't know if you call a celebration, >> I don't know if you call a celebration, >> I don't know if you call a celebration, but they do make it a a bit of an event. but they do make it a a bit of an event. but they do make it a a bit of an event. Maybe they they do that for the Maybe they they do that for the Maybe they they do that for the Americans who are there. Americans who are there. Americans who are there. >> They celebrate the day they got rid of >> They celebrate the day they got rid of >> They celebrate the day they got rid of that thing. that thing. that thing. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Maybe. I don't know. >> Maybe. I don't know. >> Maybe. I don't know. Maybe they Yeah. Maybe they Yeah. Maybe they Yeah. >> You celebrate the day your kids left >> You celebrate the day your kids left >> You celebrate the day your kids left home, right? home, right? home, right? >> Maybe Maybe they've rehabilitated >> Maybe Maybe they've rehabilitated >> Maybe Maybe they've rehabilitated themselves. themselves. themselves. It's like those those meddling kids. Um It's like those those meddling kids. Um It's like those those meddling kids. Um We would have gotten away with it if it We would have gotten away with it if it We would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

wasn't for those meddling kids. wasn't for those meddling kids. >> It was It was nice. They There was a lot >> It was It was nice. They There was a lot >> It was It was nice. They There was a lot of stuff going on, actually. It was of stuff going on, actually. It was of stuff going on, actually. It was pretty good. pretty good. pretty good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Probably for the expats, you know, and >> Probably for the expats, you know, and >> Probably for the expats, you know, and all that thing, but it'll be interesting all that thing, but it'll be interesting all that thing, but it'll be interesting to see tomorrow all the different things to see tomorrow all the different things to see tomorrow all the different things going on. I do You mentioned Leonard We going on. I do You mentioned Leonard We going on. I do You mentioned Leonard We started the heat on the East Coast is started the heat on the East Coast is started the heat on the East Coast is just absolutely brutal, so uh just absolutely brutal, so uh just absolutely brutal, so uh >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But they'll do all the I remember when I >> But they'll do all the I remember when I >> But they'll do all the I remember when I lived in Boston, we used to have that lived in Boston, we used to have that lived in Boston, we used to have that thing on the Esplanade, the uh on the thing on the Esplanade, the uh on the thing on the Esplanade, the uh on the Charles River, they had the 4th of July Charles River, they had the 4th of July Charles River, they had the 4th of July um thing uh with Boston Pops and all um thing uh with Boston Pops and all um thing uh with Boston Pops and all that. that. that. >> The Pops, yeah. >> The Pops, yeah. >> The Pops, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I have a lot of I have a lot of IDC >> I have a lot of I have a lot of IDC >> I have a lot of I have a lot of IDC colleagues that are all in Boston, colleagues that are all in Boston, colleagues that are all in Boston, shocker, and they're all talking about shocker, and they're all talking about shocker, and they're all talking about the not so much the best way to get into the not so much the best way to get into the not so much the best way to get into town, but how to escape. town, but how to escape. town, but how to escape. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Get out Yeah. >> Get out Yeah. >> Get out Yeah. >> It's going to be 100. It's going to be >> It's going to be 100. It's going to be >> It's going to be 100. It's going to be roasty. So, everyone roasty. So, everyone roasty. So, everyone >> Yeah, I bet. >> Yeah, I bet. >> Yeah, I bet. >> looking for a >> looking for a >> looking for a some air. some air. some air. >> Yeah. So, is that beyond toasty? Roasty >> Yeah. So, is that beyond toasty? Roasty >> Yeah. So, is that beyond toasty? Roasty is is is >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> beyond toasty? >> beyond toasty? >> beyond toasty? >> Toasty is Toasty Toasty is 90s. Roasty >> Toasty is Toasty Toasty is 90s. Roasty >> Toasty is Toasty Toasty is 90s. Roasty is 100. is 100. is 100. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Roasty is Toasty is you're just you're >> Roasty is Toasty is you're just you're >> Roasty is Toasty is you're just you're just getting started. Roasty is you're just getting started. Roasty is you're just getting started. Roasty is you're cooked.

cooked. cooked. >> Yeah, you're cooked. Exactly. >> Yeah, you're cooked. Exactly. >> Yeah, you're cooked. Exactly. >> Put a fork in us, you're done. >> Put a fork in us, you're done. >> Put a fork in us, you're done. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Put a fork in us. >> Put a fork in us. >> Put a fork in us. >> And as our friends in Phoenix would say, >> And as our friends in Phoenix would say, >> And as our friends in Phoenix would say, it's just another day. What's the it's just another day. What's the it's just another day. What's the problem? problem? problem? >> That's true. Yeah. >> That's true. Yeah. >> That's true. Yeah. Yeah, in Phoenix like our tech friends Yeah, in Phoenix like our tech friends Yeah, in Phoenix like our tech friends in Chandler, you know, in Chandler, you know, in Chandler, you know, >> They they they would always >> They they they would always >> They they they would always >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Just don't look at the thermometer. Just >> Just don't look at the thermometer. Just >> Just don't look at the thermometer. Just don't look at it. don't look at it. don't look at it. >> Just don't look at it. >> Just don't look at it. >> Just don't look at it. >> It's going to be 110, whatever, but >> It's going to be 110, whatever, but >> It's going to be 110, whatever, but >> Right. Exactly. >> Right. Exactly. >> Right. Exactly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, hey, So, hey, So, hey, let's talk tech really quick here. let's talk tech really quick here. let's talk tech really quick here. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Seems like we talk a lot about water. I >> Seems like we talk a lot about water. I >> Seems like we talk a lot about water. I mean, uh weather these days. So, um what mean, uh weather these days. So, um what mean, uh weather these days. So, um what about like meta about like meta about like meta trying to become a neo cloud? What do trying to become a neo cloud? What do trying to become a neo cloud? What do you guys think about that? Just want to you guys think about that? Just want to you guys think about that? Just want to put that out there. put that out there. put that out there. >> uh meta is I'm trying to find the right >> uh meta is I'm trying to find the right >> uh meta is I'm trying to find the right words words words for what meta's doing, and um for what meta's doing, and um for what meta's doing, and um cluster is the beginning of the word. cluster is the beginning of the word. cluster is the beginning of the word. I'm not sure what the the next word is. I'm not sure what the the next word is. I'm not sure what the the next word is. Maybe Bill can fill in the blanks, but Maybe Bill can fill in the blanks, but Maybe Bill can fill in the blanks, but >> Oh, oh, I got I was right there with >> Oh, oh, I got I was right there with >> Oh, oh, I got I was right there with you. I you. I you. I was right there with you. was right there with you. was right there with you. >> I mean, there there, you know, >> I mean, there there, you know, >> I mean, there there, you know, apparently they're they they've been cut apparently they're they they've been cut apparently they're they they've been cut off from using Gemini by Google because off from using Gemini by Google because off from using Gemini by Google because they're using Gemini too much in the they're using Gemini too much in the they're using Gemini too much in the development of their own AI stuff, which development of their own AI stuff, which development of their own AI stuff, which is failing.

is failing. is failing. >> Nice. So, they're distilling. >> Nice. So, they're distilling. >> Nice. So, they're distilling. >> This is like metaverse all over again, >> This is like metaverse all over again, >> This is like metaverse all over again, another $80 billion dollars down the another $80 billion dollars down the another $80 billion dollars down the hole to become an AI company hole to become an AI company hole to become an AI company after not being a metaverse company. So, after not being a metaverse company. So, after not being a metaverse company. So, I don't know. I'm I guess call me I don't know. I'm I guess call me I don't know. I'm I guess call me pessimistic on how this how this movie pessimistic on how this how this movie pessimistic on how this how this movie ends, but uh ends, but uh ends, but uh >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it seems like one mess after the >> Yeah, it seems like one mess after the >> Yeah, it seems like one mess after the other. other. other. >> Yeah. But, you're Isn't it amazing how >> Yeah. But, you're Isn't it amazing how >> Yeah. But, you're Isn't it amazing how quickly news moves the stock market? quickly news moves the stock market? quickly news moves the stock market? It's like, you know, Zuckerberg has a It's like, you know, Zuckerberg has a It's like, you know, Zuckerberg has a dream about becoming a neo cloud, and dream about becoming a neo cloud, and dream about becoming a neo cloud, and the next day the next day the next day the core we even debious stocks just the core we even debious stocks just the core we even debious stocks just crashes, you know? crashes, you know? crashes, you know? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> It's And it's like, is it really going >> It's And it's like, is it really going >> It's And it's like, is it really going to happen? I don't know. Maybe. to happen? I don't know. Maybe. to happen? I don't know. Maybe. >> the market is not trading on >> the market is not trading on >> the market is not trading on fundamentals anymore, right? fundamentals anymore, right? fundamentals anymore, right? >> no, no, no, no. It's a meme market. >> no, no, no, no. It's a meme market. >> no, no, no, no. It's a meme market. >> Feeling. >> Feeling. >> Feeling. >> Full-on meme market. >> Full-on meme market. >> Full-on meme market. >> Right. But, no, I can't imagine Facebook >> Right. But, no, I can't imagine Facebook >> Right. But, no, I can't imagine Facebook being a neo cloud. I mean, and they being a neo cloud. I mean, and they being a neo cloud. I mean, and they can't even figure out their own kind of can't even figure out their own kind of can't even figure out their own kind of internal AI strategy and development of internal AI strategy and development of internal AI strategy and development of AI models. So, what's AI models. So, what's AI models. So, what's >> Because they haven't invented [ __ ] >> Because they haven't invented [ __ ] >> Because they haven't invented [ __ ] Or innovated on anything. I mean, Or innovated on anything. I mean, Or innovated on anything. I mean, >> What about the like button?

>> What about the like button? >> What about the like button? >> The like button. >> The like button. >> The like button. >> Oh, the like button. >> Oh, the like button. >> Oh, the like button. That's the last innovation they had, That's the last innovation they had, That's the last innovation they had, like button and and like button and and like button and and they're innovating the hell out of PHP. they're innovating the hell out of PHP. they're innovating the hell out of PHP. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And they And they will spin out they >> And they And they will spin out they >> And they And they will spin out they will What Mark my words, they will spin will What Mark my words, they will spin will What Mark my words, they will spin out the wearables business. They will out the wearables business. They will out the wearables business. They will spin it out. spin it out. spin it out. It'll be a dog. It'll be a dog. It'll be a dog. No question. No question. It does not No question. No question. It does not No question. No question. It does not fit at all with anything that they're fit at all with anything that they're fit at all with anything that they're doing, [clears throat] and it has a lot doing, [clears throat] and it has a lot doing, [clears throat] and it has a lot of promise. I mean, they have some great of promise. I mean, they have some great of promise. I mean, they have some great people working on stuff. people working on stuff. people working on stuff. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But, I can't imagine that >> But, I can't imagine that >> But, I can't imagine that >> people they've got some stiff >> people they've got some stiff >> people they've got some stiff competition with with competition with with competition with with >> Oh, yeah. No, no question. Lots of >> Oh, yeah. No, no question. Lots of >> Oh, yeah. No, no question. Lots of wearable platforms out there, lots of wearable platforms out there, lots of wearable platforms out there, lots of cool innovation, but cool innovation, but cool innovation, but you know, I could definitely see that you know, I could definitely see that you know, I could definitely see that spinning out as a fairly viable spinning out as a fairly viable spinning out as a fairly viable stand-alone business. stand-alone business. stand-alone business. It has nothing to do with neo cloud and It has nothing to do with neo cloud and It has nothing to do with neo cloud and making AI models and everything else making AI models and everything else making AI models and everything else Zuckerberg wants to do. Zuckerberg wants to do. Zuckerberg wants to do. >> social >> social >> social >> But, the minute the minute anything ties >> But, the minute the minute anything ties >> But, the minute the minute anything ties back to Zuckerberg, it it will back to Zuckerberg, it it will back to Zuckerberg, it it will invariably flop. invariably flop. invariably flop. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's got >> It's got >> It's got >> Yeah, you know, that's a good point. >> Yeah, you know, that's a good point. >> Yeah, you know, that's a good point. See, you know, See, you know, See, you know, people think that these guys, because people think that these guys, because people think that these guys, because they had early successes, quote unquote they had early successes, quote unquote they had early successes, quote unquote successes, how they got there, you know, successes, how they got there, you know, successes, how they got there, you know, uh interesting, but uh interesting, but uh interesting, but they aren't all that much they're aren't they aren't all that much they're aren't they aren't all that much they're aren't they tend not to be that innovative or they tend not to be that innovative or they tend not to be that innovative or uh successful afterwards, right? They're uh successful afterwards, right? They're uh successful afterwards, right? They're just riding on that initial wave that just riding on that initial wave that just riding on that initial wave that they created.

they created. they created. >> Although here's a counterpoint to my >> Although here's a counterpoint to my >> Although here's a counterpoint to my point of point of point of of saying that Meta's going to fail is, of saying that Meta's going to fail is, of saying that Meta's going to fail is, you know, Amazon started as a company you know, Amazon started as a company you know, Amazon started as a company selling books, actually ended up selling books, actually ended up selling books, actually ended up building quite a impressive cloud building quite a impressive cloud building quite a impressive cloud business as a neo cloud, not even a neo business as a neo cloud, not even a neo business as a neo cloud, not even a neo cloud provider, just cloud just plain cloud provider, just cloud just plain cloud provider, just cloud just plain old hyperscale. old hyperscale. old hyperscale. >> Yeah, but they've been but their model >> Yeah, but they've been but their model >> Yeah, but they've been but their model has been to use it for them to develop has been to use it for them to develop has been to use it for them to develop it for themselves first to serve the it for themselves first to serve the it for themselves first to serve the previous business. previous business. previous business. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And then say, "Oh, actually we could >> And then say, "Oh, actually we could >> And then say, "Oh, actually we could make money by selling it." make money by selling it." make money by selling it." >> Facebook saying, "I'm building up my >> Facebook saying, "I'm building up my >> Facebook saying, "I'm building up my They have a tons of cloud infrastructure They have a tons of cloud infrastructure They have a tons of cloud infrastructure they're using for their own services, they're using for their own services, they're using for their own services, right?" And so how do they turn that right?" And so how do they turn that right?" And so how do they turn that into a monetizable into a monetizable into a monetizable >> But is it is it innovation? Like they're >> But is it is it innovation? Like they're >> But is it is it innovation? Like they're basically solving a problem that they're basically solving a problem that they're basically solving a problem that they're having for a business and then figuring having for a business and then figuring having for a business and then figuring out the innovation is on the business out the innovation is on the business out the innovation is on the business side of things, right? It's like side of things, right? It's like side of things, right? It's like deciding to make it a business rather deciding to make it a business rather deciding to make it a business rather than just to use it for themselves, than just to use it for themselves, than just to use it for themselves, right? right? right? >> But I mean but if you if you're if >> But I mean but if you if you're if >> But I mean but if you if you're if you're All right, so everyone kind of you're All right, so everyone kind of you're All right, so everyone kind of asks the questions, but you know, if you asks the questions, but you know, if you asks the questions, but you know, if you if you have a solution, it's like, "Oh, if you have a solution, it's like, "Oh, if you have a solution, it's like, "Oh, where are you at? Are you in GCP, AWS, where are you at? Are you in GCP, AWS, where are you at? Are you in GCP, AWS, or or Azure?" I mean those are the or or Azure?" I mean those are the or or Azure?" I mean those are the hyperscalers that are winning right now, hyperscalers that are winning right now, hyperscalers that are winning right now, right? I mean there's only those. But right? I mean there's only those. But right? I mean there's only those. But now there's now there's now there's Now there's the cloud Nevias that's Now there's the cloud Nevias that's Now there's the cloud Nevias that's showing up and they're they're like, showing up and they're they're like, showing up and they're they're like, "Hey, wait a minute. You you want this "Hey, wait a minute. You you want this "Hey, wait a minute. You you want this GPU stuff? This is where you go. And GPU stuff? This is where you go. And GPU stuff? This is where you go. And this is what you're doing." At the end this is what you're doing." At the end this is what you're doing." At the end of the day, of the day, of the day, who is going to trust Meta's cloud?

who is going to trust Meta's cloud? who is going to trust Meta's cloud? >> Well, that's the issue is if you're >> Well, that's the issue is if you're >> Well, that's the issue is if you're selling enterprise, so there's the selling enterprise, so there's the selling enterprise, so there's the Rob knows this. It's like, Rob knows this. It's like, Rob knows this. It's like, you know, you got Microsoft, you got you know, you got Microsoft, you got you know, you got Microsoft, you got Google, you got AWS, big Fortune 500 Google, you got AWS, big Fortune 500 Google, you got AWS, big Fortune 500 hyperscale thing. Then you got the next hyperscale thing. Then you got the next hyperscale thing. Then you got the next level of cloud, which is cheaper and level of cloud, which is cheaper and level of cloud, which is cheaper and more flexible. And that's like Vulture more flexible. And that's like Vulture more flexible. And that's like Vulture and and and and I you know, Core Weave and these and I you know, Core Weave and these and I you know, Core Weave and these other folks, RIGHT? AND other folks, RIGHT? AND other folks, RIGHT? AND >> THE IBM CLOUD? >> THE IBM CLOUD? >> THE IBM CLOUD? >> The IBM Yeah, and the Oracle Cloud, the >> The IBM Yeah, and the Oracle Cloud, the >> The IBM Yeah, and the Oracle Cloud, the Oracle Cloud, right? And so, you know, Oracle Cloud, right? And so, you know, Oracle Cloud, right? And so, you know, they'll compete they won't compete on they'll compete they won't compete on they'll compete they won't compete on trust as much as they'll compete on trust as much as they'll compete on trust as much as they'll compete on price and availability. And maybe some price and availability. And maybe some price and availability. And maybe some cool services that are a little more cool services that are a little more cool services that are a little more pre-packaged and prefab for SaaS's and pre-packaged and prefab for SaaS's and pre-packaged and prefab for SaaS's and stuff. So, you know, it's just a stuff. So, you know, it's just a stuff. So, you know, it's just a different level of the of the market, different level of the of the market, different level of the of the market, right? You sell you've got the Mercedes right? You sell you've got the Mercedes right? You sell you've got the Mercedes cars up here and then you've got the cars up here and then you've got the cars up here and then you've got the Chevy Chevelle down here. And Chevy Chevelle down here. And Chevy Chevelle down here. And some people want a Chevelle. some people want a Chevelle. some people want a Chevelle. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yes. I mean, I would like in I would like in I mean, I would like in I would like in the the whole meta cloud to Gremlin or the the whole meta cloud to Gremlin or the the whole meta cloud to Gremlin or or something like that, you know, uh or something like that, you know, uh or something like that, you know, uh >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> the Pacer. Yeah, you know, I mean, >> the Pacer. Yeah, you know, I mean, >> the Pacer. Yeah, you know, I mean, as a matter of fact, I wouldn't even as a matter of fact, I wouldn't even as a matter of fact, I wouldn't even call Oracle Cloud, I would call it call Oracle Cloud, I would call it call Oracle Cloud, I would call it Oracle Puff.

Oracle Puff. Oracle Puff. >> Puff. Ouch. >> Puff. Ouch. >> Puff. Ouch. >> It's a little bit of smoke. >> It's a little bit of smoke. >> It's a little bit of smoke. >> They're spending a lot of money building >> They're spending a lot of money building >> They're spending a lot of money building that cloud out, I tell you. that cloud out, I tell you. that cloud out, I tell you. >> Aren't [clears throat] they hosting >> Aren't [clears throat] they hosting >> Aren't [clears throat] they hosting TikTok on it? Aren't they hosting TikTok TikTok on it? Aren't they hosting TikTok TikTok on it? Aren't they hosting TikTok on it? The US government on it? The US government on it? The US government >> You know what? Actually, that's pretty >> You know what? Actually, that's pretty >> You know what? Actually, that's pretty impressive, the fact that they host impressive, the fact that they host impressive, the fact that they host ByteDance on OCI. That's one of the most ByteDance on OCI. That's one of the most ByteDance on OCI. That's one of the most stressful systems on the planet, so stressful systems on the planet, so stressful systems on the planet, so yeah, I have to give them props for yeah, I have to give them props for yeah, I have to give them props for that. that. that. >> I don't think they're I don't think >> I don't think they're I don't think >> I don't think they're I don't think they're hosting the whole thing there. they're hosting the whole thing there. they're hosting the whole thing there. >> No, not the whole thing, you're right. >> No, not the whole thing, you're right. >> No, not the whole thing, you're right. >> Anybody Anybody can carve up >> Anybody Anybody can carve up >> Anybody Anybody can carve up multi-tenancy and just go, "I'm just multi-tenancy and just go, "I'm just multi-tenancy and just go, "I'm just going to take this percentage and move going to take this percentage and move going to take this percentage and move it over here." it over here." it over here." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But you know what? It is interesting how >> But you know what? It is interesting how >> But you know what? It is interesting how the the the um the attitude in the room has changed um the attitude in the room has changed um the attitude in the room has changed in the neo the cloud neo cloud space, in the neo the cloud neo cloud space, in the neo the cloud neo cloud space, you know? It was all like, "Hey, we got you know? It was all like, "Hey, we got you know? It was all like, "Hey, we got to we just have to focus on building to we just have to focus on building to we just have to focus on building out. There's so much demand." All all a out. There's so much demand." All all a out. There's so much demand." All all a sudden, you have uh certain players, sudden, you have uh certain players, sudden, you have uh certain players, customers actually, of Neo Clouds, like customers actually, of Neo Clouds, like customers actually, of Neo Clouds, like pure play Neo Clouds, suddenly saying, pure play Neo Clouds, suddenly saying, pure play Neo Clouds, suddenly saying, "I have capacity.

"I have capacity. "I have capacity. And I'm going to monetize my capacity." And I'm going to monetize my capacity." And I'm going to monetize my capacity." That is new. That is new. That is new. And that is not healthy. And that is not healthy. And that is not healthy. >> No, cuz it's going to it's going to be a >> No, cuz it's going to it's going to be a >> No, cuz it's going to it's going to be a race to the bottom. That's what I'm race to the bottom. That's what I'm race to the bottom. That's what I'm talking about. talking about. talking about. >> yeah, you would not expect this kind of >> yeah, you would not expect this kind of >> yeah, you would not expect this kind of pivot from XAI or uh pivot from XAI or uh pivot from XAI or uh >> You know, cuz >> You know, cuz >> You know, cuz we have to remember 3 years ago, this we have to remember 3 years ago, this we have to remember 3 years ago, this was all about, you know, like Stargate was all about, you know, like Stargate was all about, you know, like Stargate and building out gigawatts of and building out gigawatts of and building out gigawatts of uh you know, data center you know, uh you know, data center you know, uh you know, data center you know, capacity. Which actually, gigawatts is a capacity. Which actually, gigawatts is a capacity. Which actually, gigawatts is a horrible metric for you know, AI horrible metric for you know, AI horrible metric for you know, AI capacity. It's just stupid. Uh but yeah, capacity. It's just stupid. Uh but yeah, capacity. It's just stupid. Uh but yeah, it's it's it's think about how quickly it's changed. think about how quickly it's changed. think about how quickly it's changed. It's changing like three in less than It's changing like three in less than It's changing like three in less than three months. And where do you think three months. And where do you think three months. And where do you think >> of like remember the dot com bubble? >> of like remember the dot com bubble? >> of like remember the dot com bubble? Huge overbuild on on fiber and all that, Huge overbuild on on fiber and all that, Huge overbuild on on fiber and all that, and then everyone's like, "Okay, we got and then everyone's like, "Okay, we got and then everyone's like, "Okay, we got capacity." And then it was like capacity." And then it was like capacity." And then it was like >> Well, because now people are going, "Oh, >> Well, because now people are going, "Oh, >> Well, because now people are going, "Oh, this is how much this [ __ ] cost? Oh, no, this is how much this [ __ ] cost? Oh, no, this is how much this [ __ ] cost? Oh, no, thanks."

thanks." thanks." >> Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Shutting you guys off. >> Shutting you guys off. >> Shutting you guys off. >> That's right, million dollar token >> That's right, million dollar token >> That's right, million dollar token budgets. budgets. budgets. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. >> Yeah, only TJ Maxxing, right, Rob? >> Yeah, only TJ Maxxing, right, Rob? >> Yeah, only TJ Maxxing, right, Rob? >> That's right. That's right. You know, I >> That's right. That's right. You know, I >> That's right. That's right. You know, I think this this the think this this the think this this the problem solver out there for a lot of problem solver out there for a lot of problem solver out there for a lot of these businesses these businesses these businesses is just having forward deployed is just having forward deployed is just having forward deployed engineers. If you have that, yeah, solve engineers. If you have that, yeah, solve engineers. If you have that, yeah, solve all your problems. Did you see that all your problems. Did you see that all your problems. Did you see that blurb? blurb? blurb? >> Microsoft bought 1 billion, yeah. >> Microsoft bought 1 billion, yeah. >> Microsoft bought 1 billion, yeah. >> They're going to create a separate >> They're going to create a separate >> They're going to create a separate company full of forward deployed company full of forward deployed company full of forward deployed engineers for AI. They're going to hold engineers for AI. They're going to hold engineers for AI. They're going to hold a gun to people's heads and say, "Use a gun to people's heads and say, "Use a gun to people's heads and say, "Use this Copilot thing." this Copilot thing." this Copilot thing." >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Google, 1 billion. >> Google, 1 billion. >> Google, 1 billion. >> Wasn't it just a moment ago they were >> Wasn't it just a moment ago they were >> Wasn't it just a moment ago they were talking about how AI was your second talking about how AI was your second talking about how AI was your second brain, and it's so easy to use, and all brain, and it's so easy to use, and all brain, and it's so easy to use, and all you need to do is this and all you need you need to do is this and all you need you need to do is this and all you need to do is that and it's and it's so to do is that and it's and it's so to do is that and it's and it's so simple. simple. simple. >> It's magic. >> It's magic. >> It's magic. >> And now we're going to have these we're >> And now we're going to have these we're >> And now we're going to have these we're going to have these FDEs. going to have these FDEs. going to have these FDEs. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Uh uh custom projects. >> Uh uh custom projects. >> Uh uh custom projects. >> I want to know I and I and and and >> I want to know I and I and and and >> I want to know I and I and and and Leonard I said this on your post. Where Leonard I said this on your post. Where Leonard I said this on your post. Where the [ __ ] did these FDEs come Where did the [ __ ] did these FDEs come Where did the [ __ ] did these FDEs come Where did these experts all of a sudden come from?

these experts all of a sudden come from? these experts all of a sudden come from? >> Hey, dude. >> Hey, dude. >> Hey, dude. >> The Matrix. >> The Matrix. >> The Matrix. >> Watch your language. >> Watch your language. >> Watch your language. >> Where the No. >> Where the No. >> Where the No. >> WHAT? >> WHAT? >> WHAT? >> CUZ I want to know where the [ __ ] THEY >> CUZ I want to know where the [ __ ] THEY >> CUZ I want to know where the [ __ ] THEY CAME FROM. CAME FROM. CAME FROM. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> THEY'RE INVENTED. >> THEY'RE INVENTED. >> THEY'RE INVENTED. >> BE POLITE HERE, DUDE. >> BE POLITE HERE, DUDE. >> BE POLITE HERE, DUDE. >> OH. >> OH. >> OH. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> THEY'RE INVENTED. >> THEY'RE INVENTED. >> THEY'RE INVENTED. >> I WAS in there in 17. >> I WAS in there in 17. >> I WAS in there in 17. >> He snuck in all graduates, right? >> He snuck in all graduates, right? >> He snuck in all graduates, right? >> Oh my >> Oh my >> Oh my >> They're all Yeah. Yeah, that's where >> They're all Yeah. Yeah, that's where >> They're all Yeah. Yeah, that's where they play. I'm sure McKinsey came up they play. I'm sure McKinsey came up they play. I'm sure McKinsey came up with that idea. I know Alex Karp came up with that idea. I know Alex Karp came up with that idea. I know Alex Karp came up with it. with it. with it. >> Yeah, deployed? >> Yeah, deployed? >> Yeah, deployed? >> Yeah. And they're going to Wait. I >> Yeah. And they're going to Wait. I >> Yeah. And they're going to Wait. I remember Olivia remember it we did tests remember Olivia remember it we did tests remember Olivia remember it we did tests with Azure. What were they called? Azure with Azure. What were they called? Azure with Azure. What were they called? Azure cloud architects or something like that cloud architects or something like that cloud architects or something like that where we embedded Azure experts in with where we embedded Azure experts in with where we embedded Azure experts in with the companies because they weren't the companies because they weren't the companies because they weren't adopting. And so the whole point was get adopting. And so the whole point was get adopting. And so the whole point was get those guys in there, hold guns to their those guys in there, hold guns to their those guys in there, hold guns to their heads, and make them consume more Azure heads, and make them consume more Azure heads, and make them consume more Azure hours. Because because who else hours. Because because who else hours. Because because who else Cuz who else was doing that? Oh, AWS did Cuz who else was doing that? Oh, AWS did Cuz who else was doing that? Oh, AWS did it. They embedded people in companies. it. They embedded people in companies. it. They embedded people in companies. >> That's exactly what they >> That's exactly what they >> That's exactly what they >> No, IBM did it too before that. So yeah. >> No, IBM did it too before that. So yeah. >> No, IBM did it too before that. So yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And people have done that on the >> And people have done that on the >> And people have done that on the hardware side of things. Like Qualcomm hardware side of things. Like Qualcomm hardware side of things. Like Qualcomm and things sending like hundreds of and things sending like hundreds of and things sending like hundreds of engineers with their engineers with their engineers with their >> Buying engineers in there to help sure. >> Buying engineers in there to help sure. >> Buying engineers in there to help sure. >> Yeah, consultants, right? >> Yeah, consultants, right? >> Yeah, consultants, right? >> Hey guys, I apologize. I do need to >> Hey guys, I apologize. I do need to >> Hey guys, I apologize. I do need to bail, but happy weekend for everyone. bail, but happy weekend for everyone. bail, but happy weekend for everyone. >> All right. Yeah. >> All right. Yeah. >> All right. Yeah. >> Happy 250th. >> Happy 250th. >> Happy 250th. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Peach is not that old. >> Peach is not that old. >> Peach is not that old. >> Are you in a cemetery? >> Are you in a cemetery? >> Are you in a cemetery? >> not 250. >> not 250. >> not 250. >> I'm in a cemetery. I am now. You're >> I'm in a cemetery. I am now. You're >> I'm in a cemetery. I am now. You're right. I was walking around and I found right. I was walking around and I found right. I was walking around and I found a bench and I'm [laughter] a bench and I'm [laughter] a bench and I'm [laughter] >> Oh my god, Rob's in a damn cemetery. >> Oh my god, Rob's in a damn cemetery. >> Oh my god, Rob's in a damn cemetery. >> Yeah, it kind of makes it funny. But um >> Yeah, it kind of makes it funny. But um >> Yeah, it kind of makes it funny. But um you know what? Let me find I'll find the you know what? Let me find I'll find the you know what? Let me find I'll find the >> Can you go there and find Can you go >> Can you go there and find Can you go >> Can you go there and find Can you go there and find Can you find the zoom there and find Can you find the zoom there and find Can you find the zoom headstone? headstone? headstone? >> This [laughter] is I see the zoom >> This [laughter] is I see the zoom >> This [laughter] is I see the zoom headstone. headstone. headstone. Wait Wait Wait for it. I'm seeing some Wait Wait Wait for it. I'm seeing some Wait Wait Wait for it. I'm seeing some I'm seeing some flags. I'm seeing some I'm seeing some flags. I'm seeing some I'm seeing some flags. I'm seeing some flags. So, flags. So, flags. So, wait for it. Here we go. I see it. Ooh, wait for it. Here we go. I see it. Ooh, wait for it. Here we go. I see it. Ooh, I see a special 250 flag. I see a special 250 flag. I see a special 250 flag. >> But here's the problem. >> But here's the problem. >> But here's the problem. Um, the GSIs have already invested so Um, the GSIs have already invested so Um, the GSIs have already invested so much money Oh god, dude. Oh, wow.

much money Oh god, dude. Oh, wow. much money Oh god, dude. Oh, wow. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> Uh, there you go. >> Uh, there you go. >> Uh, there you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. There you go. There you go. There you go. I didn't step [laughter] on it. I didn't step [laughter] on it. I didn't step [laughter] on it. I promise I didn't step on it. I promise I didn't step on it. I promise I didn't step on it. I didn't step on that that marine. I didn't step on that that marine. I didn't step on that that marine. >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh, here's one. Lieutenant Colonel >> Uh, here's one. Lieutenant Colonel >> Uh, here's one. Lieutenant Colonel Vietnam. Vietnam. Vietnam. All right. All right. All right. Woohoo. Woohoo. Woohoo. >> Salute. >> Salute. >> Salute. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Salute. Yeah, salute. >> Salute. Yeah, salute. >> Salute. Yeah, salute. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> What a new rock. >> What a new rock. >> What a new rock. >> I'm at a cemetery in Camas, Washington, >> I'm at a cemetery in Camas, Washington, >> I'm at a cemetery in Camas, Washington, which is a little tiny mill town across which is a little tiny mill town across which is a little tiny mill town across the Columbia River from Portland, the Columbia River from Portland, the Columbia River from Portland, Oregon. Oregon. Oregon. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> But headed up to up heading up north to >> But headed up to up heading up north to central Washington to this Lake Chelan central Washington to this Lake Chelan central Washington to this Lake Chelan for a 4th of July. So, that'll be for a 4th of July. So, that'll be for a 4th of July. So, that'll be That'll be fun. That'll be fun. That'll be fun. >> Yeah, no like temperatures are going to >> Yeah, no like temperatures are going to >> Yeah, no like temperatures are going to be nice, no wildfires. That's the That's be nice, no wildfires. That's the That's be nice, no wildfires. That's the That's good. good. good. >> No wildfires. Yeah. >> No wildfires. Yeah. >> No wildfires. Yeah. >> No wildfires. Is there any >> No wildfires. Is there any >> No wildfires. Is there any >> Woohoo. >> Woohoo. >> Woohoo. >> I didn't see any >> I didn't see any >> I didn't see any I didn't see any here.

I didn't see any here. I didn't see any here. It's not hot enough here. It's not hot enough here. It's not hot enough here. >> Yeah, that's not >> Yeah, that's not >> Yeah, that's not >> Right. Absolutely. >> Right. Absolutely. >> Right. Absolutely. >> Yeah, but remember, I want everyone to >> Yeah, but remember, I want everyone to >> Yeah, but remember, I want everyone to remember that I have 20 years of remember that I have 20 years of remember that I have 20 years of experience as a forward deployed experience as a forward deployed experience as a forward deployed uh engineer, so you know. uh engineer, so you know. uh engineer, so you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You're the guy. You're the guy. You're the guy. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> They're just consultants, people. And >> They're just consultants, people. And >> They're just consultants, people. And the GSIs have tried to make this happen. the GSIs have tried to make this happen. the GSIs have tried to make this happen. The AI stuff happened and look The AI stuff happened and look The AI stuff happened and look just go and look at where they are right just go and look at where they are right just go and look at where they are right now. now. now. They're not having a good time. And so, They're not having a good time. And so, They're not having a good time. And so, this is this is they're late to the this is this is they're late to the this is this is they're late to the game, you know, the things game, you know, the things game, you know, the things >> second. >> second. >> second. What if back in 2010 we had four What if back in 2010 we had four What if back in 2010 we had four deployed engineers for IoT? deployed engineers for IoT? deployed engineers for IoT? Would it Would it Would it >> Instead of everyone trying to build >> Instead of everyone trying to build >> Instead of everyone trying to build platforms? platforms? platforms? >> Yeah, instead of building platforms and >> Yeah, instead of building platforms and >> Yeah, instead of building platforms and instead of Olivia doing his talk show, instead of Olivia doing his talk show, instead of Olivia doing his talk show, you know, maybe if we had the four you know, maybe if we had the four you know, maybe if we had the four [laughter] deployed engineers. [laughter] deployed engineers. [laughter] deployed engineers. >> I should have gone in and, you know, do >> I should have gone in and, you know, do >> I should have gone in and, you know, do my own business and do it for them? my own business and do it for them? my own business and do it for them? That's what you're saying? That's what you're saying? That's what you're saying? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Ian Yuryarte >> Ian Yuryarte >> Ian Yuryarte Ian Yuryarte Ian Yuryarte Ian Yuryarte >> I'm I'm actually doing that on the side >> I'm I'm actually doing that on the side >> I'm I'm actually doing that on the side as well right now. Like we are like as well right now. Like we are like as well right now. Like we are like >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, those guys are idiots. Bill Bill >> Yeah, those guys are idiots. Bill Bill >> Yeah, those guys are idiots. Bill Bill >> Bill build sooner. Build sooner. Get the >> Bill build sooner. Build sooner. Get the >> Bill build sooner. Build sooner. Get the people out there. people out there. people out there. >> It's all probably >> It's all probably >> It's all probably >> IoT, of all the different technologies >> IoT, of all the different technologies >> IoT, of all the different technologies out there, IoT is one of the simplest. out there, IoT is one of the simplest. out there, IoT is one of the simplest. It really is. I don't know why people It really is. I don't know why people It really is. I don't know why people have such a hard time with it. have such a hard time with it. have such a hard time with it. >> The biggest thing is is I think you said >> The biggest thing is is I think you said >> The biggest thing is is I think you said it earlier. Number one, build build it earlier. Number one, build build it earlier. Number one, build build earlier, but don't sacrifice your point earlier, but don't sacrifice your point earlier, but don't sacrifice your point of view. of view. of view. I mean, there's so many people that lack I mean, there's so many people that lack I mean, there's so many people that lack a real point of view. They they just you a real point of view. They they just you a real point of view. They they just you you hear the same rhetoric regurgitated you hear the same rhetoric regurgitated you hear the same rhetoric regurgitated over and over again, and no one has a over and over again, and no one has a over and over again, and no one has a true point of view that they're willing true point of view that they're willing true point of view that they're willing to stand on. to stand on. to stand on. And that I I see that so so frequently. And that I I see that so so frequently. And that I I see that so so frequently. I mean, we're seeing a repeat of that we I mean, we're seeing a repeat of that we I mean, we're seeing a repeat of that we saw with IoT, we saw it with smart grid, saw with IoT, we saw it with smart grid, saw with IoT, we saw it with smart grid, we saw it with I mean, we see it we saw it with I mean, we see it we saw it with I mean, we see it nonstop. And it's well, what's your nonstop. And it's well, what's your nonstop. And it's well, what's your point of view? Well, I'm sorry, my point point of view? Well, I'm sorry, my point point of view? Well, I'm sorry, my point of view does not of view does not of view does not align with yours because I don't I don't align with yours because I don't I don't align with yours because I don't I don't subscribe to that. Oh, and now you're subscribe to that. Oh, and now you're subscribe to that. Oh, and now you're now you're a naysayer. No, I just have a now you're a naysayer. No, I just have a now you're a naysayer. No, I just have a different point of view and I'm building different point of view and I'm building different point of view and I'm building something on that point of view and and something on that point of view and and something on that point of view and and let's and let's go.

let's and let's go. let's and let's go. I mean from the digital twin I mean from the digital twin I mean from the digital twin perspective, I've been operationally perspective, I've been operationally perspective, I've been operationally focused and could care less about the 3D focused and could care less about the 3D focused and could care less about the 3D model. model. model. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Said that for years and continue to say >> Said that for years and continue to say >> Said that for years and continue to say it. it. it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Think about Think about like if if it >> Think about Think about like if if it >> Think about Think about like if if it just start time doing Azure IT and all just start time doing Azure IT and all just start time doing Azure IT and all the technologies that were added to it the technologies that were added to it the technologies that were added to it over time and all the different types of over time and all the different types of over time and all the different types of analytics and everything. analytics and everything. analytics and everything. We spent all our time talking about the We spent all our time talking about the We spent all our time talking about the tech and talking about this new tech and tech and talking about this new tech and tech and talking about this new tech and new feature and now this is going to fix new feature and now this is going to fix new feature and now this is going to fix it and whatever it and whatever it and whatever and as it turns out and as it turns out and as it turns out the use cases are more valuable. It the use cases are more valuable. It the use cases are more valuable. It turns out, you know, this turns out, you know, this turns out, you know, this [clears throat] is the big, you know, [clears throat] is the big, you know, [clears throat] is the big, you know, eye-opener for me writing this book. eye-opener for me writing this book. eye-opener for me writing this book. All hundred of these use cases that can All hundred of these use cases that can All hundred of these use cases that can move the needle for all society move the needle for all society move the needle for all society can be done super easily with the V1 can be done super easily with the V1 can be done super easily with the V1 of IoT Hub. of IoT Hub. of IoT Hub. And you know, just the dumbest And you know, just the dumbest And you know, just the dumbest analytics. You know, that's why I said, analytics. You know, that's why I said, analytics. You know, that's why I said, "Hey, use any IoT platform. "Hey, use any IoT platform. "Hey, use any IoT platform. They're all good enough, every one of They're all good enough, every one of They're all good enough, every one of them. But we spend so much time talking them. But we spend so much time talking them. But we spend so much time talking about feeds and speeds and tech.

about feeds and speeds and tech. about feeds and speeds and tech. >> Interoperability and yeah. >> Interoperability and yeah. >> Interoperability and yeah. >> And I think people's eyes glazed over. >> And I think people's eyes glazed over. >> And I think people's eyes glazed over. You're supposed to in sales, you're You're supposed to in sales, you're You're supposed to in sales, you're supposed to talk about the solution and supposed to talk about the solution and supposed to talk about the solution and the outcome and what it's going to do the outcome and what it's going to do the outcome and what it's going to do for you. And somebody forgot about that. for you. And somebody forgot about that. for you. And somebody forgot about that. And we talked about tech the whole time. And we talked about tech the whole time. And we talked about tech the whole time. Talk about the outcome and gosh, this Talk about the outcome and gosh, this Talk about the outcome and gosh, this shit's easy. IoT is the simplest [ __ ] shit's easy. IoT is the simplest [ __ ] shit's easy. IoT is the simplest [ __ ] we've ever come up with. we've ever come up with. we've ever come up with. >> IoT start four years ago, right, Mark? >> IoT start four years ago, right, Mark? >> IoT start four years ago, right, Mark? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's what we were talking about. >> Yeah. That's what we were talking about. >> Yeah. That's what we were talking about. We were saying look, you guys need to We were saying look, you guys need to We were saying look, you guys need to think about solutions. Don't think about think about solutions. Don't think about think about solutions. Don't think about Don't talk about platforms so much. Don't talk about platforms so much. Don't talk about platforms so much. >> Yeah, there's one thing I systematically >> Yeah, there's one thing I systematically >> Yeah, there's one thing I systematically say to anyone who submits a blog or say to anyone who submits a blog or say to anyone who submits a blog or wants to talk about something on the wants to talk about something on the wants to talk about something on the show, whatever, I tell them, "If you're show, whatever, I tell them, "If you're show, whatever, I tell them, "If you're not able to easily answer the question, not able to easily answer the question, not able to easily answer the question, what's in it for the audience?" what's in it for the audience?" what's in it for the audience?" >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like there's no point saying anything. >> Like there's no point saying anything. >> Like there's no point saying anything. So what's in it for them is what So what's in it for them is what So what's in it for them is what matters. The technology, the way you matters. The technology, the way you matters. The technology, the way you present it, doesn't matter. What matters present it, doesn't matter. What matters present it, doesn't matter. What matters is what's in it for them. That's what is what's in it for them. That's what is what's in it for them. That's what people care about.

people care about. people care about. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You're absolutely right, man. >> You're absolutely right, man. >> You're absolutely right, man. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. No, you're right. What's >> Absolutely. No, you're right. What's >> Absolutely. No, you're right. What's [laughter] in it for me, man? Uh what [laughter] in it for me, man? Uh what [laughter] in it for me, man? Uh what what problems is solving? Yeah. what problems is solving? Yeah. what problems is solving? Yeah. >> Well, I mean, if >> Well, I mean, if >> Well, I mean, if if the majority of the people that you if the majority of the people that you if the majority of the people that you ask that question to ask that question to ask that question to actually had it answered honestly, you actually had it answered honestly, you actually had it answered honestly, you might only have like three episodes a might only have like three episodes a might only have like three episodes a month. month. month. >> [laughter] >> Totally. >> Totally. >> You might be right. You might be right. >> You might be right. You might be right. >> You might be right. You might be right. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Well, well, that's a deal. There's a an >> Well, well, that's a deal. There's a an >> Well, well, that's a deal. There's a an interesting thing, which is you when you interesting thing, which is you when you interesting thing, which is you when you are the intersection of the technology are the intersection of the technology are the intersection of the technology and developer relations, there's an easy and developer relations, there's an easy and developer relations, there's an easy answer to that question when the answer to that question when the answer to that question when the audience is a developer. What's in it audience is a developer. What's in it audience is a developer. What's in it for the developer? You can turn anything for the developer? You can turn anything for the developer? You can turn anything into what's the interesting part of that into what's the interesting part of that into what's the interesting part of that thing that developer should care about, thing that developer should care about, thing that developer should care about, that would care about, right? that would care about, right? that would care about, right? >> But here's the interesting thing. >> But here's the interesting thing. >> But here's the interesting thing. Sometimes the developers are wondering Sometimes the developers are wondering Sometimes the developers are wondering what problems should we solve. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes it's No, >> Sometimes it's No, >> Sometimes it's No, I see it with network APIs, dude.

I see it with network APIs, dude. I see it with network APIs, dude. >> Well, so here's the thing, though, >> Well, so here's the thing, though, >> Well, so here's the thing, though, Leonard. So, yes. Leonard. So, yes. Leonard. So, yes. >> these hypothetical theoretical use >> these hypothetical theoretical use >> these hypothetical theoretical use cases. They don't fight markets there. cases. They don't fight markets there. cases. They don't fight markets there. >> I think So, here's the the interesting >> I think So, here's the the interesting >> I think So, here's the the interesting thing I've Here's the interesting thing thing I've Here's the interesting thing thing I've Here's the interesting thing I've experienced a lot on the IT show. I've experienced a lot on the IT show. I've experienced a lot on the IT show. Someone comes with a shiny object. Yeah. Someone comes with a shiny object. Yeah. Someone comes with a shiny object. Yeah. They're convinced it's the best thing in They're convinced it's the best thing in They're convinced it's the best thing in the world because they've been working the world because they've been working the world because they've been working on that for the last 5 years. And on that for the last 5 years. And on that for the last 5 years. And they're a developer, and they're just they're a developer, and they're just they're a developer, and they're just like, oh, whatever developer means. And like, oh, whatever developer means. And like, oh, whatever developer means. And they're just like, this is my fantastic they're just like, this is my fantastic they're just like, this is my fantastic technology. And now I'm turning to them technology. And now I'm turning to them technology. And now I'm turning to them and telling them, and telling them, and telling them, "Okay, so what's in it for my audience?" "Okay, so what's in it for my audience?" "Okay, so what's in it for my audience?" And and literally, you know, is that And and literally, you know, is that And and literally, you know, is that thing interesting And they start asking thing interesting And they start asking thing interesting And they start asking themselves that question as well. And themselves that question as well. And themselves that question as well. And they're just like, hey, what is it for? they're just like, hey, what is it for? they're just like, hey, what is it for? They're trying to find a a nail to hit They're trying to find a a nail to hit They're trying to find a a nail to hit with their hammer on. with their hammer on. with their hammer on. Um and and you tell them, you know, look Um and and you tell them, you know, look Um and and you tell them, you know, look the other way around and try and find, the other way around and try and find, the other way around and try and find, you know, the the hammer that will that you know, the the hammer that will that you know, the the hammer that will that will, you know, put the nail in rather will, you know, put the nail in rather will, you know, put the nail in rather than the other way around. And so, it's than the other way around. And so, it's than the other way around. And so, it's it's it's something that yes, you have it's it's something that yes, you have it's it's something that yes, you have these types of developers. Very often these types of developers. Very often these types of developers. Very often they are like the innovators, whatever.

they are like the innovators, whatever. they are like the innovators, whatever. They have this super interesting thing. They have this super interesting thing. They have this super interesting thing. But now you have this idea of that But now you have this idea of that But now you have this idea of that company company company that Pete trademarked that consist in that Pete trademarked that consist in that Pete trademarked that consist in finding the right solutions that these finding the right solutions that these finding the right solutions that these people didn't think about for their people didn't think about for their people didn't think about for their technology and their solutions, right? technology and their solutions, right? technology and their solutions, right? There must be something that they can There must be something that they can There must be something that they can can do, right? But can do, right? But can do, right? But but developers developers in general, but developers developers in general, but developers developers in general, they when you you really help them focus they when you you really help them focus they when you you really help them focus on that question, what's in it for me or on that question, what's in it for me or on that question, what's in it for me or for the audience? for the audience? for the audience? They step back and they they they try They step back and they they they try They step back and they they they try and find answers. If they don't have an and find answers. If they don't have an and find answers. If they don't have an answer, they go back home and like go do answer, they go back home and like go do answer, they go back home and like go do something else. something else. something else. Yeah, it's the conversation to have Yeah, it's the conversation to have Yeah, it's the conversation to have right now. right now. right now. >> But there's so many different that we >> But there's so many different that we >> But there's so many different that we always arrive at this. It doesn't matter always arrive at this. It doesn't matter always arrive at this. It doesn't matter whether it's for IoT or it's for AI or whether it's for IoT or it's for AI or whether it's for IoT or it's for AI or it's for it's for it's for network APIs or blah blah blah. network APIs or blah blah blah. network APIs or blah blah blah. We arrive at the same problem, you know? We arrive at the same problem, you know? We arrive at the same problem, you know? And so, yeah, the work that you and Mark And so, yeah, the work that you and Mark And so, yeah, the work that you and Mark do, do, do, it's it's it's great stuff. It's tricky.

it's it's it's great stuff. It's tricky. it's it's it's great stuff. It's tricky. Probably far under appreciated, but I Probably far under appreciated, but I Probably far under appreciated, but I know that know that know that you know, the organization you guys work you know, the organization you guys work you know, the organization you guys work with greatly appreciates that because with greatly appreciates that because with greatly appreciates that because developers for them are everything at developers for them are everything at developers for them are everything at the moment. So, the moment. So, the moment. So, >> Yeah, that's true. It's a lot of >> Yeah, that's true. It's a lot of >> Yeah, that's true. It's a lot of internal evangelism as well. It's like internal evangelism as well. It's like internal evangelism as well. It's like even like when you're working with even like when you're working with even like when you're working with companies like that, you have to get companies like that, you have to get companies like that, you have to get people to convert. So, people to convert. So, people to convert. So, >> Yeah, you know, a friend of mine >> Yeah, you know, a friend of mine >> Yeah, you know, a friend of mine reminded me about the whole Remember reminded me about the whole Remember reminded me about the whole Remember Remember those guys at CERN, Olivier, Remember those guys at CERN, Olivier, Remember those guys at CERN, Olivier, the two French guys at CERN that did web the two French guys at CERN that did web the two French guys at CERN that did web of things? of things? of things? And I remember when they came out with And I remember when they came out with And I remember when they came out with their book and I was like cuz you're their book and I was like cuz you're their book and I was like cuz you're right, I'm sometimes over practical. right, I'm sometimes over practical. right, I'm sometimes over practical. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> IoT, I'm just moving data from these >> IoT, I'm just moving data from these >> IoT, I'm just moving data from these sensors back to some place and I'm going sensors back to some place and I'm going sensors back to some place and I'm going to do something with it. And so these to do something with it. And so these to do something with it. And so these guys came up with the whole deal was guys came up with the whole deal was guys came up with the whole deal was like, "We're spending all our time on like, "We're spending all our time on like, "We're spending all our time on these these these edge, you know, bleeding edge edge, you know, bleeding edge edge, you know, bleeding edge technologies to IoT. technologies to IoT. technologies to IoT. Couldn't I just do it with existing web Couldn't I just do it with existing web Couldn't I just do it with existing web standards?" The answer is yes, you can. standards?" The answer is yes, you can. standards?" The answer is yes, you can. You know, you can use rest, you can use You know, you can use rest, you can use You know, you can use rest, you can use JSON, you can use JavaScript, you can JSON, you can use JavaScript, you can JSON, you can use JavaScript, you can use all kinds of stuff that's all And use all kinds of stuff that's all And use all kinds of stuff that's all And they built a whole recommendation for they built a whole recommendation for they built a whole recommendation for the W3C. I remember getting just the W3C. I remember getting just the W3C. I remember getting just eviscerated and blasted by people for eviscerated and blasted by people for eviscerated and blasted by people for supporting that stuff cuz it wasn't supporting that stuff cuz it wasn't supporting that stuff cuz it wasn't bleeding edge enough or cool enough or bleeding edge enough or cool enough or bleeding edge enough or cool enough or whatever. And I'm just like, "Come on, whatever. And I'm just like, "Come on, whatever. And I'm just like, "Come on, guys.

guys. guys. We're We're not You know, this We're not We're We're not You know, this We're not We're We're not You know, this We're not building rocket ships to Mars here. building rocket ships to Mars here. building rocket ships to Mars here. We're just moving data from a sensor to We're just moving data from a sensor to We're just moving data from a sensor to some other place where I'm going to do some other place where I'm going to do some other place where I'm going to do something about it. So get over it." something about it. So get over it." something about it. So get over it." >> Yeah. But be careful. Be careful. They >> Yeah. But be careful. Be careful. They >> Yeah. But be careful. Be careful. They were not French. They were Swiss. were not French. They were Swiss. were not French. They were Swiss. >> They were Swiss FRENCH PEOPLE. >> They were Swiss FRENCH PEOPLE. >> They were Swiss FRENCH PEOPLE. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> [laughter] >> I KNOW I KNOW THOSE PEOPLE. I KNOW THOSE >> I KNOW I KNOW THOSE PEOPLE. I KNOW THOSE PEOPLE. PEOPLE. PEOPLE. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I KNOW YOU GUYS. >> I KNOW YOU GUYS. >> I KNOW YOU GUYS. >> I was a resident of Lausanne. I know >> I was a resident of Lausanne. I know >> I was a resident of Lausanne. I know those Swiss people and they seemed very those Swiss people and they seemed very those Swiss people and they seemed very French to me. French to me. French to me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Well, I mean, you know, it just Here's >> Well, I mean, you know, it just Here's >> Well, I mean, you know, it just Here's Here's Here's something that I'll I'll Here's Here's something that I'll I'll Here's Here's something that I'll I'll [clears throat] I will close on. Did Did [clears throat] I will close on. Did Did [clears throat] I will close on. Did Did Did you guys see Cognite get bought? Did you guys see Cognite get bought? Did you guys see Cognite get bought? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> 3.2 billion dollars. >> Ooh. >> Ooh. >> 3.2 >> 3.2 >> 3.2 >> The what? >> The what? >> The what? >> billion dollars. >> billion dollars. >> billion dollars. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> By Schneider Electric. >> By Schneider Electric. >> By Schneider Electric. >> That's insane.

>> That's insane. >> That's insane. I could go build Cognite's technology I could go build Cognite's technology I could go build Cognite's technology over the weekend. over the weekend. over the weekend. >> This It Look, I'm sitting here I'm I'm >> This It Look, I'm sitting here I'm I'm >> This It Look, I'm sitting here I'm I'm like mind-blown. like mind-blown. like mind-blown. Schneider has Schneider purchased Aviva Schneider has Schneider purchased Aviva Schneider has Schneider purchased Aviva for 4.4 billion dollars. for 4.4 billion dollars. for 4.4 billion dollars. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right? >> Right? >> Right? They bought OSI soft. They bought OSI soft. They bought OSI soft. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, jeez. >> Oh, jeez. >> Oh, jeez. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then for for like some odd 5 billion >> And then for for like some odd 5 billion >> And then for for like some odd 5 billion dollars. dollars. dollars. >> Woof. Wow. >> Woof. Wow. >> Woof. Wow. >> Cognite for I'm going where the >> Cognite for I'm going where the >> Cognite for I'm going where the Is your kid in the room? Is your kid in the room? Is your kid in the room? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Where the [ __ ] are the billions for us? >> Where the [ __ ] are the billions for us? >> Where the [ __ ] are the billions for us? >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> I mean, maybe we'll get acquired. >> I mean, maybe we'll get acquired. >> I mean, maybe we'll get acquired. >> For a billion. >> For a billion. >> For a billion. >> I'm >> I'm >> I'm >> You know what, man? It It's just It It's >> You know what, man? It It's just It It's >> You know what, man? It It's just It It's some stupid stupid stuff going on, man. some stupid stupid stuff going on, man. some stupid stupid stuff going on, man. Uh it's straight up everything is meme. Uh it's straight up everything is meme. Uh it's straight up everything is meme. And um you know, a lot of these And um you know, a lot of these And um you know, a lot of these companies just companies just companies just they have no idea what to do at the they have no idea what to do at the they have no idea what to do at the moment. Seriously.

moment. Seriously. moment. Seriously. Um Um Um >> Talking about that, you could try Methos >> Talking about that, you could try Methos >> Talking about that, you could try Methos today. today. today. It's open now. It's open now. It's open now. >> No, not. >> No, not. >> No, not. >> Woohoo. Let's go consume the planet with >> Woohoo. Let's go consume the planet with >> Woohoo. Let's go consume the planet with Methos today. [laughter] Methos today. [laughter] Methos today. [laughter] IS IT IS IT IS IT >> WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED? >> WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED? >> WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED? >> It's open again. >> It's open again. >> It's open again. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The um >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The um >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The um >> Fable Fable 5 >> Fable Fable 5 >> Fable Fable 5 >> Fable >> Fable >> Fable >> Methos is a Trojan horse from an alien >> Methos is a Trojan horse from an alien >> Methos is a Trojan horse from an alien race that's trying to take over the race that's trying to take over the race that's trying to take over the planet Earth. planet Earth. planet Earth. And they're going to give it to you. And they're going to give it to you. And they're going to give it to you. >> All that was was the Fed >> All that was was the Fed >> All that was was the Fed the Fed saying give us a head start. the Fed saying give us a head start. the Fed saying give us a head start. >> Dude, I I don't trust any of this stuff. >> Dude, I I don't trust any of this stuff. >> Dude, I I don't trust any of this stuff. Can you imagine all the people who may Can you imagine all the people who may Can you imagine all the people who may you know, basically uh use the free you know, basically uh use the free you know, basically uh use the free versions to create a AI girlfriend or versions to create a AI girlfriend or versions to create a AI girlfriend or boyfriend? boyfriend? boyfriend? You know what I'm saying? You know, they You know what I'm saying? You know, they You know what I'm saying? You know, they probably harvest all those tokens, probably harvest all those tokens, probably harvest all those tokens, right? And the KB cash and then use that right? And the KB cash and then use that right? And the KB cash and then use that as training data. as training data. as training data. So, now you probably have all your weird So, now you probably have all your weird So, now you probably have all your weird intimate stuff sitting in there. intimate stuff sitting in there. intimate stuff sitting in there. Uh Uh Uh uh oh my god. People. uh oh my god. People. uh oh my god. People. >> Crazy. >> Crazy. >> Crazy. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Crazy. >> Crazy. >> Crazy. >> Um >> Um >> Um have no idea what you're dealing with. have no idea what you're dealing with. have no idea what you're dealing with. >> But >> But >> But >> Why don't you take us out, man? >> Why don't you take us out, man? >> Why don't you take us out, man? Take us out since you're in a very Take us out since you're in a very Take us out since you're in a very patriotic location. patriotic location. patriotic location. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. All right, everybody. Thanks for joining All right, everybody. Thanks for joining All right, everybody. Thanks for joining us on IT Coffee Talk celebrating America us on IT Coffee Talk celebrating America us on IT Coffee Talk celebrating America 250. USA USA. Um 250. USA USA. Um 250. USA USA. Um exactly. We're going to have fireworks. exactly. We're going to have fireworks. exactly. We're going to have fireworks. Make sure you do that if you have Make sure you do that if you have Make sure you do that if you have fireworks, don't blow them up in your fireworks, don't blow them up in your fireworks, don't blow them up in your hand cuz your hand will blow off. It's hand cuz your hand will blow off. It's hand cuz your hand will blow off. It's not good. So, don't do that. not good. So, don't do that. not good. So, don't do that. Um you know, follow all the rules in Um you know, follow all the rules in Um you know, follow all the rules in your town or your city or whatever. your town or your city or whatever. your town or your city or whatever. Um it's exciting times, you know, you Um it's exciting times, you know, you Um it's exciting times, you know, you don't get 250 every day, right? don't get 250 every day, right? don't get 250 every day, right? Uh holding it together, the great Uh holding it together, the great Uh holding it together, the great experiment of democracy with help from experiment of democracy with help from experiment of democracy with help from our friends in France our friends in France our friends in France at Yorktown and a bunch of thinkers came at Yorktown and a bunch of thinkers came at Yorktown and a bunch of thinkers came up with all these ideas. And so, we're up with all these ideas. And so, we're up with all these ideas. And so, we're still trying it out and the struggle is still trying it out and the struggle is still trying it out and the struggle is sometimes real, but we're kind of sometimes real, but we're kind of sometimes real, but we're kind of holding it together. So, let's keep holding it together. So, let's keep holding it together. So, let's keep holding it together, friend. Another holding it together, friend. Another holding it together, friend. Another 250, folks. It's a 250, folks. It's a 250, folks. It's a pretty badass thing. pretty badass thing. pretty badass thing. >> Yeah, it is.

>> Yeah, it is. >> Yeah, it is. >> on the other side. >> on the other side. >> on the other side. Woohoo! Woohoo! Woohoo! Or as we say in the military, it's uh Or as we say in the military, it's uh Or as we say in the military, it's uh land of the free because of the brave. land of the free because of the brave. land of the free because of the brave. >> [music]