IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 318 - "Ignorance is Bliss" (Is this why IoT fails?)

>> I think it's time for you to go >> I think it's time for you to go for the foreseeable future and start for the foreseeable future and start for the foreseeable future and start doing doing doing guitar stuff from Rush. guitar stuff from Rush. guitar stuff from Rush. Um Um Um >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Exactly. >> My god. >> My god. >> [music] >> Wow.

>> Wow. Wow, I didn't realize we had Alex Wow, I didn't realize we had Alex Wow, I didn't realize we had Alex Lifeson on the show. Lifeson on the show. Lifeson on the show. Holy cow. Holy cow. Holy cow. >> Dude, he's like one of the greatest. >> Dude, he's like one of the greatest. >> Dude, he's like one of the greatest. >> He is one of the greatest. >> He is one of the greatest. >> He is one of the greatest. He is. He is. He is. >> And you know, the tour that they're on >> And you know, the tour that they're on >> And you know, the tour that they're on right now is a sobering reminder of how right now is a sobering reminder of how right now is a sobering reminder of how amazing he was when he wrote these amazing he was when he wrote these amazing he was when he wrote these songs, you know? songs, you know? songs, you know? >> Absolutely. Absolutely. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. >> straight-up shredder. Hey, what's up? >> straight-up shredder. Hey, what's up? >> straight-up shredder. Hey, what's up? >> Yeah, Mark, you just missed it. He just >> Yeah, Mark, you just missed it. He just >> Yeah, Mark, you just missed it. He just played uh played uh played uh Limelight from Rush. Limelight from Rush. Limelight from Rush. Um >> No, you know what? Nobody >> No, you know what? Nobody Nobody out of North America even knows Nobody out of North America even knows Nobody out of North America even knows who Rush is. who Rush is. who Rush is. >> Oh, oh, everybody loves Rush. >> Oh, oh, everybody loves Rush. >> Oh, oh, everybody loves Rush. >> Right. You You guys like Gary Moore and >> Right. You You guys like Gary Moore and >> Right. You You guys like Gary Moore and who is awesome himself, but who is awesome himself, but who is awesome himself, but >> So, the cool thing is So, you mentioned >> So, the cool thing is So, you mentioned >> So, the cool thing is So, you mentioned So, Rush is on tour uh and this woman So, Rush is on tour uh and this woman So, Rush is on tour uh and this woman from Germany who's playing drums to from Germany who's playing drums to from Germany who's playing drums to replace Neil Peart Everybody always gets replace Neil Peart Everybody always gets replace Neil Peart Everybody always gets his name wrong. Neil Peart, Neil Peart, his name wrong. Neil Peart, Neil Peart, his name wrong. Neil Peart, Neil Peart, Peart, Peart, Peart, Peart.

Peart, Peart, Peart, Peart. Peart, Peart, Peart, Peart. The Or as these most people call him the The Or as these most people call him the The Or as these most people call him the Professor. Professor. Professor. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um >> Um >> Um It's uh and so, I found a really good It's uh and so, I found a really good It's uh and so, I found a really good lean deal of the tour the show in LA on lean deal of the tour the show in LA on lean deal of the tour the show in LA on YouTube and watched a bunch of it. And YouTube and watched a bunch of it. And YouTube and watched a bunch of it. And also, the cool uh that the song Time also, the cool uh that the song Time also, the cool uh that the song Time Stand Still and they brought on Aimee Stand Still and they brought on Aimee Stand Still and they brought on Aimee Mann Mann Mann >> Oh, yeah, yeah. >> Oh, yeah, yeah. >> Oh, yeah, yeah. >> Incredible. Just incredible. But it was >> Incredible. Just incredible. But it was >> Incredible. Just incredible. But it was just And it And they did all these just And it And they did all these just And it And they did all these tributes to Neil in different parts of tributes to Neil in different parts of tributes to Neil in different parts of this concert. this concert. this concert. And then And at the very end, they did And then And at the very end, they did And then And at the very end, they did some funny one. I don't know if they some funny one. I don't know if they some funny one. I don't know if they made it for this or this from a movie. made it for this or this from a movie. made it for this or this from a movie. It It was like it had Paul Rudd and um It It was like it had Paul Rudd and um It It was like it had Paul Rudd and um God Is it Mike Siegel or whatever? God Is it Mike Siegel or whatever? God Is it Mike Siegel or whatever? Uh not Mike. Anyway, they were all Uh not Mike. Anyway, they were all Uh not Mike. Anyway, they were all dressed up like they were Rush and they dressed up like they were Rush and they dressed up like they were Rush and they were arguing about how to say Neil Peart were arguing about how to say Neil Peart were arguing about how to say Neil Peart They're arguing on how to say Neil They're arguing on how to say Neil They're arguing on how to say Neil Peart's last name. Peart's last name. Peart's last name. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> It was awesome. >> It was awesome. >> It was awesome. >> So >> So >> So um um um >> You know, when you think about Rush, >> You know, when you think about Rush, >> You know, when you think about Rush, I think my the first thing that comes to I think my the first thing that comes to I think my the first thing that comes to my mind is my wife says, my mind is my wife says, my mind is my wife says, "Rush is such a guy band."

"Rush is such a guy band." "Rush is such a guy band." If you go to a Rush concert, you're not If you go to a Rush concert, you're not If you go to a Rush concert, you're not going to see women there ever. You won't going to see women there ever. You won't going to see women there ever. You won't see any girls there. It's not like see any girls there. It's not like see any girls there. It's not like >> [ __ ] guys. >> [ __ ] guys. >> [ __ ] guys. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's a total guy band, you know? You >> It's a total guy band, you know? You >> It's a total guy band, you know? You know, any band that's playing 15-minute know, any band that's playing 15-minute know, any band that's playing 15-minute rock up rock up rock up >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> you know, up at 2112 >> you know, up at 2112 >> you know, up at 2112 >> Not like not like it's not like Mötley >> Not like not like it's not like Mötley >> Not like not like it's not like Mötley Crüe or a Poison concert. Crüe or a Poison concert. Crüe or a Poison concert. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> That's about that's about >> That's about that's about >> That's about that's about probably 60/40, 60% women and 40% the probably 60/40, 60% women and 40% the probably 60/40, 60% women and 40% the boyfriends going along with boyfriends going along with boyfriends going along with the women. the women. the women. >> I just say I just think what's great >> I just say I just think what's great >> I just say I just think what's great about Rush is that you have three guys about Rush is that you have three guys about Rush is that you have three guys and they're the masters of their and they're the masters of their and they're the masters of their instruments. You know what I mean? instruments. You know what I mean? instruments. You know what I mean? They really are and so to have that They really are and so to have that They really are and so to have that level of musicianship level of musicianship level of musicianship is just unbelievable. is just unbelievable. is just unbelievable. And you're right, whenever we I talked And you're right, whenever we I talked And you're right, whenever we I talked about music and Rush, they're always about music and Rush, they're always about music and Rush, they're always talking about Neil Peart cuz he's the talking about Neil Peart cuz he's the talking about Neil Peart cuz he's the greatest drummer but greatest drummer but greatest drummer but >> That happens. >> That happens. >> That happens. >> Peart Peart Peart Peart Peart Peart >> Peart Peart Peart Peart Peart Peart >> Peart Peart Peart Peart Peart Peart >> Peart >> Peart >> Peart >> But to your point Larry, and you just >> But to your point Larry, and you just >> But to your point Larry, and you just played it, Alex Lifeson is one of the played it, Alex Lifeson is one of the played it, Alex Lifeson is one of the greatest guitarists ever and if you greatest guitarists ever and if you greatest guitarists ever and if you listen to their catalog, it's listen to their catalog, it's listen to their catalog, it's unbelievable the stuff he wrote.

unbelievable the stuff he wrote. unbelievable the stuff he wrote. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Limelight, just listen to the the solo. Limelight, just listen to the the solo. Limelight, just listen to the the solo. It's freaking It's freaking It's freaking >> amazing. Some of the best riffs in rock >> amazing. Some of the best riffs in rock >> amazing. Some of the best riffs in rock history. You know, I was watching it and history. You know, I was watching it and history. You know, I was watching it and you know, after the Amy Man thing is you know, after the Amy Man thing is you know, after the Amy Man thing is like, all right, now we're going to do a like, all right, now we're going to do a like, all right, now we're going to do a song about our hometown, which is YYZ song about our hometown, which is YYZ song about our hometown, which is YYZ and you know, Rush still did and you know, Rush still did and you know, Rush still did instrumentals instrumentals instrumentals even when they started doing more short even when they started doing more short even when they started doing more short form songs that are more mainstream. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But anyway, hey, before we can get But anyway, hey, before we can get But anyway, hey, before we can get [laughter] started with [laughter] started with [laughter] started with IoT Coffee Talk. Yes, we're going to IoT Coffee Talk. Yes, we're going to IoT Coffee Talk. Yes, we're going to mention IoT Coffee Talk somewhere. mention IoT Coffee Talk somewhere. mention IoT Coffee Talk somewhere. >> Somewhere. >> Somewhere. >> Somewhere. >> Remember to take us seriously at your >> Remember to take us seriously at your >> Remember to take us seriously at your own dire risk. We are not here to be own dire risk. We are not here to be own dire risk. We are not here to be taken seriously.

taken seriously. taken seriously. You know, and remember You know, and remember You know, and remember take out insurance if you do. We're just take out insurance if you do. We're just take out insurance if you do. We're just here to have fun and R2. here to have fun and R2. here to have fun and R2. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> [laughter] >> No, that's R >> No, that's R isn't that like D4 R2 isn't that like D4 R2 isn't that like D4 R2 >> Is that R2-D2 or is it a different one? >> Is that R2-D2 or is it a different one? >> Is that R2-D2 or is it a different one? >> The one that gets blown up. >> The one that gets blown up. >> The one that gets blown up. >> Oh, okay. The pink one. >> Oh, okay. The pink one. >> Oh, okay. The pink one. >> Yeah, I think it got it got shot by uh >> Yeah, I think it got it got shot by uh >> Yeah, I think it got it got shot by uh Yeah, trade federation. Yeah, trade federation. Yeah, trade federation. >> I 3D printed that R2-D2. >> I 3D printed that R2-D2. >> I 3D printed that R2-D2. >> so cool, man. I love it. I love it. >> so cool, man. I love it. I love it. >> so cool, man. I love it. I love it. >> It is from a foundation. They made one >> It is from a foundation. They made one >> It is from a foundation. They made one and and it goes to hospital to visit and and it goes to hospital to visit and and it goes to hospital to visit children that are in stays in hospitals. children that are in stays in hospitals. children that are in stays in hospitals. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> And >> And >> And >> That's wonderful. >> That's wonderful. >> That's wonderful. That's wonderful. Wow, I love that. That's wonderful. Wow, I love that. That's wonderful. Wow, I love that. >> Yeah, it's good stuff, man. >> Yeah, it's good stuff, man. >> Yeah, it's good stuff, man. >> Is it powered by physical AI? >> Is it powered by physical AI? >> Is it powered by physical AI? >> Yeah, absolutely. So I actually I there >> Yeah, absolutely. So I actually I there >> Yeah, absolutely. So I actually I there is like a like a real size R2-D2 pink is like a like a real size R2-D2 pink is like a like a real size R2-D2 pink one that goes to the hospitals. one that goes to the hospitals. one that goes to the hospitals. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And and then I I was in a >> And and then I I was in a >> And and then I I was in a in a show and it show up in into the in a show and it show up in into the in a show and it show up in into the scenario.

scenario. scenario. And then at the end of of the show it And then at the end of of the show it And then at the end of of the show it was still there and I saw a guy with a was still there and I saw a guy with a was still there and I saw a guy with a with a remote like with a remote like with a remote like and I and I thought okay, I need to talk and I and I thought okay, I need to talk and I and I thought okay, I need to talk with that guy. with that guy. with that guy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And and we start talking. He opened the >> And and we start talking. He opened the >> And and we start talking. He opened the the [clears throat] yeah, the stomach of the [clears throat] yeah, the stomach of the [clears throat] yeah, the stomach of the R2-D2 there and yeah, it was it was the R2-D2 there and yeah, it was it was the R2-D2 there and yeah, it was it was powered by Arduinos. powered by Arduinos. powered by Arduinos. >> That's so cool, man. >> That's so cool, man. >> That's so cool, man. Of course it was. Of course it was. Of course it was. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Yeah, it was it was super interesting. >> Yeah, it was it was super interesting. >> Yeah, it was it was super interesting. >> So, you know, it's funny you talk about >> So, you know, it's funny you talk about >> So, you know, it's funny you talk about the Nano the Nano the Nano and chatting with Marcello and he was and chatting with Marcello and he was and chatting with Marcello and he was you know, cuz like like hopefully all of you know, cuz like like hopefully all of you know, cuz like like hopefully all of you are going to give me a little blurb, you are going to give me a little blurb, you are going to give me a little blurb, a little quote for the new book. But a little quote for the new book. But a little quote for the new book. But Marcello gave me a nice quote. Marcello gave me a nice quote. Marcello gave me a nice quote. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> But he But he also gave me some thoughts >> But he But he also gave me some thoughts >> But he But he also gave me some thoughts about how I talked about Arduino in the about how I talked about Arduino in the about how I talked about Arduino in the book cuz I had a lot of the What is it? book cuz I had a lot of the What is it? book cuz I had a lot of the What is it? MKR and some of the other ones. And he's MKR and some of the other ones. And he's MKR and some of the other ones. And he's like, "Uh, like, "Uh, like, "Uh, some of that stuff's a little vintage. some of that stuff's a little vintage. some of that stuff's a little vintage. Maybe you should talk about Nano."

Maybe you should talk about Nano." Maybe you should talk about Nano." >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I'm like, "Oops. Okay." >> I'm like, "Oops. Okay." >> I'm like, "Oops. Okay." >> Now maybe about this. >> Now maybe about this. >> Now maybe about this. >> that guy, man. >> that guy, man. >> that guy, man. >> Yeah. Yeah, he's great. >> Yeah. Yeah, he's great. >> Yeah. Yeah, he's great. >> What is that, man? Is that a Oh. >> What is that, man? Is that a Oh. >> What is that, man? Is that a Oh. >> Yeah, that's some serious >> Yeah, that's some serious >> Yeah, that's some serious >> the IQ >> the IQ >> the IQ >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Ventuno. Yeah, yeah. >> Ventuno. Yeah, yeah. >> Ventuno. Yeah, yeah. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> It is the new Ventuno cute. This is >> It is the new Ventuno cute. This is >> It is the new Ventuno cute. This is powered by an IQ 8 Qualcomm chip here. powered by an IQ 8 Qualcomm chip here. powered by an IQ 8 Qualcomm chip here. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> It can has three cameras at least here. >> It can has three cameras at least here. >> It can has three cameras at least here. Then Then Then What is interesting, it has a Raspberry What is interesting, it has a Raspberry What is interesting, it has a Raspberry Pi Pi Pi pins here. pins here. pins here. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Okay. You can still plug Arduino hats. >> Okay. You can still plug Arduino hats. >> Okay. You can still plug Arduino hats. It has an M.2 connector, as well. It has an M.2 connector, as well. It has an M.2 connector, as well. >> Okay. Wow. >> Okay. Wow. >> Okay. Wow. >> Can ports and USB, Ethernet. >> Can ports and USB, Ethernet. >> Can ports and USB, Ethernet. >> Well, you know so funny. I was looking >> Well, you know so funny. I was looking >> Well, you know so funny. I was looking at this post that Dylan Patel put out at this post that Dylan Patel put out at this post that Dylan Patel put out there that completely trashed Qualcomm there that completely trashed Qualcomm there that completely trashed Qualcomm and then all these like IoT developers and then all these like IoT developers and then all these like IoT developers startups started jumping in talking startups started jumping in talking startups started jumping in talking about how Qualcomm's so hard to work about how Qualcomm's so hard to work about how Qualcomm's so hard to work with.

with. with. And how Qualcomm won't provide, you And how Qualcomm won't provide, you And how Qualcomm won't provide, you know, won't deal with this unless we know, won't deal with this unless we know, won't deal with this unless we have future volumes. It's like, no have future volumes. It's like, no have future volumes. It's like, no freaking [ __ ] Of course not. I mean, freaking [ __ ] Of course not. I mean, freaking [ __ ] Of course not. I mean, you know, that's why you have the you know, that's why you have the you know, that's why you have the Arduino acquisition. And then they [ __ ] Arduino acquisition. And then they [ __ ] Arduino acquisition. And then they [ __ ] on that and at the same time. And it's on that and at the same time. And it's on that and at the same time. And it's like, what the hell is your problem? like, what the hell is your problem? like, what the hell is your problem? And you know, these people are just And you know, these people are just And you know, these people are just going mental. And first off, none of going mental. And first off, none of going mental. And first off, none of them really understand the edge or IoT. them really understand the edge or IoT. them really understand the edge or IoT. You know, like Dylan he and his crew are You know, like Dylan he and his crew are You know, like Dylan he and his crew are all like the AI super all like the AI super all like the AI super computing stuff, right? The data center. computing stuff, right? The data center. computing stuff, right? The data center. So, yeah, they have numbers, they do all So, yeah, they have numbers, they do all So, yeah, they have numbers, they do all the research, blah blah there. But then, the research, blah blah there. But then, the research, blah blah there. But then, you know, projecting down into the edge, you know, projecting down into the edge, you know, projecting down into the edge, it's these guys are now trying to act it's these guys are now trying to act it's these guys are now trying to act like they know all the stuff in inciting like they know all the stuff in inciting like they know all the stuff in inciting all this drama. And it's like, no, you all this drama. And it's like, no, you all this drama. And it's like, no, you know, what? know, what? know, what? You don't understand the strategy. You don't understand the strategy. You don't understand the strategy. And no nobody seems to And no nobody seems to And no nobody seems to um be comfortable with what's happening, um be comfortable with what's happening, um be comfortable with what's happening, but it is what people seem to want. Do but it is what people seem to want. Do but it is what people seem to want. Do you know what I'm saying at the end of you know what I'm saying at the end of you know what I'm saying at the end of the day? And in terms of a spectrum of the day? And in terms of a spectrum of the day? And in terms of a spectrum of uh support for the ecosystem that uh support for the ecosystem that uh support for the ecosystem that Qualcomm Qualcomm Qualcomm is looking to provide. But I just think is looking to provide. But I just think is looking to provide. But I just think it's just funny how like these startups it's just funny how like these startups it's just funny how like these startups think like, okay, if you look at think like, okay, if you look at think like, okay, if you look at traditionally what uh Qualcomm was traditionally what uh Qualcomm was traditionally what uh Qualcomm was doing, they were doing more of the doing, they were doing more of the doing, they were doing more of the large-scale large-scale large-scale industrial IoT stuff, if they even

industrial IoT stuff, if they even industrial IoT stuff, if they even um you know, were doing it. You know um you know, were doing it. You know um you know, were doing it. You know what I'm saying? They're looking for what I'm saying? They're looking for what I'm saying? They're looking for scale-out solutions uh with their core scale-out solutions uh with their core scale-out solutions uh with their core Qualcomm, you know, portfolio of SOCs Qualcomm, you know, portfolio of SOCs Qualcomm, you know, portfolio of SOCs [snorts] and stuff like that. But [snorts] and stuff like that. But [snorts] and stuff like that. But you know, for that lower-level stuff, you know, for that lower-level stuff, you know, for that lower-level stuff, yeah, the economics don't work out for yeah, the economics don't work out for yeah, the economics don't work out for them. That's why they made all these them. That's why they made all these them. That's why they made all these acquisitions, and tried to make things acquisitions, and tried to make things acquisitions, and tried to make things scale down all the way to those tiny scale down all the way to those tiny scale down all the way to those tiny little devices that require yeah, like little devices that require yeah, like little devices that require yeah, like energy harvesting, right? In order to um energy harvesting, right? In order to um energy harvesting, right? In order to um power them, because they're either so, power them, because they're either so, power them, because they're either so, you know, constrained in terms of power, you know, constrained in terms of power, you know, constrained in terms of power, or they're being deployed remotely. or they're being deployed remotely. or they're being deployed remotely. So, yeah, it it's just comical um to see So, yeah, it it's just comical um to see So, yeah, it it's just comical um to see this kind of stuff. And then now, people this kind of stuff. And then now, people this kind of stuff. And then now, people who are start starting to trash other who are start starting to trash other who are start starting to trash other people for vibe coding people for vibe coding people for vibe coding >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> um their research. >> um their research. >> um their research. So, vibe people who vibe code research So, vibe people who vibe code research So, vibe people who vibe code research [ __ ] on other people for vibe coding [ __ ] on other people for vibe coding [ __ ] on other people for vibe coding [laughter] their research.

[laughter] their research. [laughter] their research. >> Wow. Wow. >> Wow. Wow. >> Wow. Wow. >> A [ __ ] SHOW. >> A [ __ ] SHOW. >> A [ __ ] SHOW. >> [laughter] >> ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. >> YEAH. WELCOME TO FRIDAY. >> YEAH. WELCOME TO FRIDAY. >> YEAH. WELCOME TO FRIDAY. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Welcome to Friday. But luckily >> Welcome to Friday. But luckily >> Welcome to Friday. But luckily >> No, I just had to get that off my chest >> No, I just had to get that off my chest >> No, I just had to get that off my chest cuz man, I I I I I cuz man, I I I I I cuz man, I I I I I >> Luckily we we will need >> Luckily we we will need >> Luckily we we will need we will need to watch again Idiocracy, we will need to watch again Idiocracy, we will need to watch again Idiocracy, right, this weekend? right, this weekend? right, this weekend? >> Mhm? Idiocracy? >> Mhm? Idiocracy? >> Mhm? Idiocracy? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> We will need to watch [clears throat] it >> We will need to watch [clears throat] it >> We will need to watch [clears throat] it again because again because again because >> But at least I I did see something >> But at least I I did see something >> But at least I I did see something hopeful hopeful hopeful on LinkedIn from Mark. You know, I saw a on LinkedIn from Mark. You know, I saw a on LinkedIn from Mark. You know, I saw a video of his and he's ready to come out video of his and he's ready to come out video of his and he's ready to come out and help people with their projects. and help people with their projects. and help people with their projects. There are There are There are >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> their edge, their IoT, whatever they >> their edge, their IoT, whatever they >> their edge, their IoT, whatever they need. Talk about the king of developer need. Talk about the king of developer need. Talk about the king of developer relations. relations. relations. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's It's all good. >> It's It's all good. >> It's It's all good. >> Yeah. Now it's I have been one year old >> Yeah. Now it's I have been one year old >> Yeah. Now it's I have been one year old worker at Qualcomm and at Impulse, worker at Qualcomm and at Impulse, worker at Qualcomm and at Impulse, really happy. And yeah, and I really happy. And yeah, and I really happy. And yeah, and I >> That's unusual. [laughter] >> That's unusual. [laughter] >> That's unusual. [laughter] >> The hard part is that you are >> The hard part is that you are >> The hard part is that you are You are something super interesting You are something super interesting You are something super interesting being at Qualcomm. It's that you meet being at Qualcomm. It's that you meet being at Qualcomm. It's that you meet the people and it's like, yeah, been 30 the people and it's like, yeah, been 30 the people and it's like, yeah, been 30 years working at Qualcomm. Like, years working at Qualcomm. Like, years working at Qualcomm. Like, >> Wow.

>> Wow. >> Wow. >> 30 years 40. >> 30 years 40. >> 30 years 40. So, it's like, oh wow. People So, it's like, oh wow. People So, it's like, oh wow. People are still here. are still here. are still here. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's great. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's great. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's great. >> That's That's really great. I mean, I >> That's That's really great. I mean, I >> That's That's really great. I mean, I think it talks a lot about the company think it talks a lot about the company think it talks a lot about the company culture. culture. culture. >> Yeah. So, you're enjoying it? >> Yeah. So, you're enjoying it? >> Yeah. So, you're enjoying it? You like it? You like it? You like it? >> Yeah. Having fun. So good. Yeah, it's >> Yeah. Having fun. So good. Yeah, it's >> Yeah. Having fun. So good. Yeah, it's good. good. good. >> So, are you going to Are you going to >> So, are you going to Are you going to >> So, are you going to Are you going to move to San Diego? move to San Diego? move to San Diego? >> No. No, I don't think so. >> No. No, I don't think so. >> No. No, I don't think so. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Actually, you know, Europe is still >> Actually, you know, Europe is still >> Actually, you know, Europe is still where a lot of the vibe is anyway, so where a lot of the vibe is anyway, so where a lot of the vibe is anyway, so There you go. There you go. There you go. >> You think so? >> You think so? >> You think so? >> Yeah, it's all right. Right. >> Yeah, it's all right. Right. >> Yeah, it's all right. Right. >> US from the US point of view? >> US from the US point of view? >> US from the US point of view? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> He's the first person from the US to say >> He's the first person from the US to say >> He's the first person from the US to say that Europe is where the vibe is. that Europe is where the vibe is. that Europe is where the vibe is. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> And [laughter] >> And [laughter] >> And [laughter] hey, you never you don't know because hey, you never you don't know because hey, you never you don't know because now especially with how the defense now especially with how the defense now especially with how the defense industry is becoming less US-centric industry is becoming less US-centric industry is becoming less US-centric and you know, investment in technologies and you know, investment in technologies and you know, investment in technologies as well as investment in as well as investment in as well as investment in you know, military you know, military you know, military um system um system um system uh you know, development.

uh you know, development. uh you know, development. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> That's becoming hot, right? And that >> That's becoming hot, right? And that >> That's becoming hot, right? And that drives a lot of innovation, especially drives a lot of innovation, especially drives a lot of innovation, especially the stuff in the field like what we're the stuff in the field like what we're the stuff in the field like what we're seeing with uh Ukraine, right? seeing with uh Ukraine, right? seeing with uh Ukraine, right? And um you know, countries like Sweden And um you know, countries like Sweden And um you know, countries like Sweden which a lot of which a lot of which a lot of people don't know people don't know people don't know you know, make some pretty you know, make some pretty you know, make some pretty serious weapon systems, right? Highly serious weapon systems, right? Highly serious weapon systems, right? Highly competitive weapon systems. competitive weapon systems. competitive weapon systems. >> For those of you who think that Saab no >> For those of you who think that Saab no >> For those of you who think that Saab no longer exists because you haven't seen a longer exists because you haven't seen a longer exists because you haven't seen a car from Saab in decades, car from Saab in decades, car from Saab in decades, they make submarines and air-independent they make submarines and air-independent they make submarines and air-independent propulsion that's quieter than America's propulsion that's quieter than America's propulsion that's quieter than America's nuclear subs. nuclear subs. nuclear subs. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> So, it's pretty cool. Pretty cool. And >> So, it's pretty cool. Pretty cool. And >> So, it's pretty cool. Pretty cool. And you're right. you're right. you're right. >> Um >> Um >> Um tactical fighters. tactical fighters. tactical fighters. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> top of that, any any road >> top of that, any any road >> top of that, any any road and can land within like and can land within like and can land within like >> You know, I remember the last time Saab >> You know, I remember the last time Saab >> You know, I remember the last time Saab really tried hard to sell really tried hard to sell really tried hard to sell to sell cars in the US and they had an to sell cars in the US and they had an to sell cars in the US and they had an ad campaign that was like Saab fighter ad campaign that was like Saab fighter ad campaign that was like Saab fighter jet. jet. jet. And it's like Saab cars their Saab And it's like Saab cars their Saab And it's like Saab cars their Saab [laughter] cars are born from jets.

[laughter] cars are born from jets. [laughter] cars are born from jets. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, and so they were just trying >> You know, and so they were just trying >> You know, and so they were just trying to get across that our heritage is we to get across that our heritage is we to get across that our heritage is we build fighter jets, advanced stuff, and build fighter jets, advanced stuff, and build fighter jets, advanced stuff, and if we can do that, we can build the if we can do that, we can build the if we can do that, we can build the coolest car ever, you know. coolest car ever, you know. coolest car ever, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah, the Draken, the Viggen, and >> Yeah. Yeah, the Draken, the Viggen, and >> Yeah. Yeah, the Draken, the Viggen, and the Gripen. the Gripen. the Gripen. >> I >> I >> I I do miss from the early '90s I do miss from the early '90s I do miss from the early '90s I do miss like maybe late '80s, early I do miss like maybe late '80s, early I do miss like maybe late '80s, early '90s the Saab 900 turbo '90s the Saab 900 turbo '90s the Saab 900 turbo convertible. convertible. convertible. Really beautiful car. Just great design. Really beautiful car. Just great design. Really beautiful car. Just great design. You know, um You know, um You know, um >> I always thought they looked goofy. >> I always thought they looked goofy. >> I always thought they looked goofy. >> The Saab 9000 lost all of its >> The Saab 9000 lost all of its >> The Saab 9000 lost all of its eccentricity. eccentricity. eccentricity. I don't even know how to talk. Anyway, I don't even know how to talk. Anyway, I don't even know how to talk. Anyway, >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> but uh but the the 900 was it was very >> but uh but the the 900 was it was very >> but uh but the the 900 was it was very unique looking, you know? unique looking, you know? unique looking, you know? >> I'm talking about cars. What's the car >> I'm talking about cars. What's the car >> I'm talking about cars. What's the car situation in the US? Is it a small fleet situation in the US? Is it a small fleet situation in the US? Is it a small fleet of with Chinese cars or the tariffs of with Chinese cars or the tariffs of with Chinese cars or the tariffs >> No, there's no Chinese >> No, there's no Chinese >> No, there's no Chinese They're not they're blocked out of the They're not they're blocked out of the They're not they're blocked out of the US. Um they're worried that the US. Um they're worried that the US. Um they're worried that the electronic systems will, you know, send electronic systems will, you know, send electronic systems will, you know, send the data back to Beijing. And so uh I the data back to Beijing. And so uh I the data back to Beijing. And so uh I think the main way they're blocking them think the main way they're blocking them think the main way they're blocking them also is giant I think it's a 100% tariff also is giant I think it's a 100% tariff also is giant I think it's a 100% tariff on every car. And so you're right, I on every car. And so you're right, I on every car. And so you're right, I know you bought a a BYD know you bought a a BYD know you bought a a BYD uh car.

uh car. uh car. >> How is that anyway? >> How is that anyway? >> How is that anyway? >> Is it Is it good? Has it been a good >> Is it Is it good? Has it been a good >> Is it Is it good? Has it been a good car? car? car? >> Yeah, it's very good. >> Yeah, it's very good. >> Yeah, it's very good. >> Okay. Oh, Stephanie's coming on. Cool. >> Okay. Oh, Stephanie's coming on. Cool. >> Okay. Oh, Stephanie's coming on. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to stop. Yeah. You got to stop. Yeah. You got to stop. >> I would say similar technology than the >> I would say similar technology than the >> I would say similar technology than the Tesla Y. Tesla Y. Tesla Y. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And cheaper, way cheaper. >> And cheaper, way cheaper. >> And cheaper, way cheaper. >> Way cheaper, way cheaper. >> Way cheaper, way cheaper. >> Way cheaper, way cheaper. And I think that And I think that And I think that >> We have as well tariffs. We we also have >> We have as well tariffs. We we also have >> We have as well tariffs. We we also have tariffs in Europe for a Chinese tariffs in Europe for a Chinese tariffs in Europe for a Chinese technology. technology. technology. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But uh yeah. >> But uh yeah. >> But uh yeah. >> Yeah. I mean well I mean the Germans >> Yeah. I mean well I mean the Germans >> Yeah. I mean well I mean the Germans have to kind of protect themselves. You have to kind of protect themselves. You have to kind of protect themselves. You know what I'm saying? I mean I I think know what I'm saying? I mean I I think know what I'm saying? I mean I I think it's totally understandable. Otherwise, it's totally understandable. Otherwise, it's totally understandable. Otherwise, the Chinese will just from economics the Chinese will just from economics the Chinese will just from economics standpoint will just dump standpoint will just dump standpoint will just dump those those those >> And and that's actually that's actually >> And and that's actually that's actually >> And and that's actually that's actually the word, dump. The technical term of the word, dump. The technical term of the word, dump. The technical term of dumping. And so like, you know, one dumping. And so like, you know, one dumping. And so like, you know, one country is really good at producing country is really good at producing country is really good at producing steel and then another country just steel and then another country just steel and then another country just starts dumping steel on the market starts dumping steel on the market starts dumping steel on the market really cheap to try to put the other really cheap to try to put the other really cheap to try to put the other country out of business. And so that's country out of business. And so that's country out of business. And so that's how they think about the Chinese cars how they think about the Chinese cars how they think about the Chinese cars that they're dumping. The Australians that they're dumping. The Australians that they're dumping. The Australians think the Chinese dump on them. And so think the Chinese dump on them. And so think the Chinese dump on them. And so uh it's the same thing. Cuz you're uh it's the same thing. Cuz you're uh it's the same thing. Cuz you're right, the the BYD is so inexpensive.

right, the the BYD is so inexpensive. right, the the BYD is so inexpensive. Um it would undercut the price of just Um it would undercut the price of just Um it would undercut the price of just about every car in the US, you know? Cuz about every car in the US, you know? Cuz about every car in the US, you know? Cuz you're right, the Tesla Y is the most you're right, the Tesla Y is the most you're right, the Tesla Y is the most popular car right now. popular car right now. popular car right now. Um but it if the BYD was all over the Um but it if the BYD was all over the Um but it if the BYD was all over the US, people would buy buy it. US, people would buy buy it. US, people would buy buy it. >> yeah, it'd be game over. But you know >> yeah, it'd be game over. But you know >> yeah, it'd be game over. But you know what? EVs are not all that they're what? EVs are not all that they're what? EVs are not all that they're cracked up to be. Like we have we're cracked up to be. Like we have we're cracked up to be. Like we have we're like full-on EV household. You really like full-on EV household. You really like full-on EV household. You really need to combine it with solar. And um need to combine it with solar. And um need to combine it with solar. And um because, you know, energy rates can be because, you know, energy rates can be because, you know, energy rates can be different uh in different states, different uh in different states, different uh in different states, different um you know, municipalities different um you know, municipalities different um you know, municipalities and such. and such. and such. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And the um the kind of rate plans are >> And the um the kind of rate plans are >> And the um the kind of rate plans are changing uh because now changing uh because now changing uh because now um um um you know, you would have to pretty much you know, you would have to pretty much you know, you would have to pretty much charge during the day charge during the day charge during the day um there there's like peak, let's say, um there there's like peak, let's say, um there there's like peak, let's say, solar production. solar production. solar production. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz you know, everyone has solar in >> Cuz you know, everyone has solar in >> Cuz you know, everyone has solar in California and they want to contribute. California and they want to contribute. California and they want to contribute. And you know, get a dollar for dollar, And you know, get a dollar for dollar, And you know, get a dollar for dollar, right? Now right? Now right? Now it's like it's like it's like an oversupply of solar and contribution.

an oversupply of solar and contribution. an oversupply of solar and contribution. And so, uh but at night, there's no And so, uh but at night, there's no And so, uh but at night, there's no there's no contribution. So, now they're there's no contribution. So, now they're there's no contribution. So, now they're trying to get everyone to buy batteries. trying to get everyone to buy batteries. trying to get everyone to buy batteries. And then whatever power you've stored in And then whatever power you've stored in And then whatever power you've stored in your batteries to sell it back to the your batteries to sell it back to the your batteries to sell it back to the grid during the off-peak hours, right? grid during the off-peak hours, right? grid during the off-peak hours, right? >> But they'll buy power walls. >> But they'll buy power walls. >> But they'll buy power walls. >> Yeah, most people don't have their cars >> Yeah, most people don't have their cars >> Yeah, most people don't have their cars at home during the day, right? So, at home during the day, right? So, at home during the day, right? So, >> They charge them at night like they like >> They charge them at night like they like >> They charge them at night like they like their phone. their phone. their phone. >> It it just becomes a really, really >> It it just becomes a really, really >> It it just becomes a really, really goofy thing and you really have to think goofy thing and you really have to think goofy thing and you really have to think through does an EV make sense for me? through does an EV make sense for me? through does an EV make sense for me? You know, it it a lot more complicated. You know, it it a lot more complicated. You know, it it a lot more complicated. >> But what's the alternative? >> But what's the alternative? >> But what's the alternative? >> Uh just buy an ICE. I mean, ICEs doing >> Uh just buy an ICE. I mean, ICEs doing >> Uh just buy an ICE. I mean, ICEs doing hybrid vehicles are doing great, you hybrid vehicles are doing great, you hybrid vehicles are doing great, you know? know? know? >> ICE ICE ba- >> ICE ICE ba- >> ICE ICE ba- >> Uh actually, Toyota made the better bet >> Uh actually, Toyota made the better bet >> Uh actually, Toyota made the better bet than everyone else. They didn't go than everyone else. They didn't go than everyone else. They didn't go full-on EV. They said, "You know what? full-on EV. They said, "You know what? full-on EV. They said, "You know what? Okay, everyone, you know, all the Okay, everyone, you know, all the Okay, everyone, you know, all the American cars can go and do all this EV American cars can go and do all this EV American cars can go and do all this EV transformation and pivot. We'll just transformation and pivot. We'll just transformation and pivot. We'll just We'll just capitalize on the vacuum that We'll just capitalize on the vacuum that We'll just capitalize on the vacuum that they create for themselves." And that's they create for themselves." And that's they create for themselves." And that's what So, yeah, they did. And what So, yeah, they did. And what So, yeah, they did. And >> Yeah, my wife, Kathy, she's got a hybrid >> Yeah, my wife, Kathy, she's got a hybrid >> Yeah, my wife, Kathy, she's got a hybrid SUV, and she's getting like 40 mi to the SUV, and she's getting like 40 mi to the SUV, and she's getting like 40 mi to the gallon.

gallon. gallon. And so, yeah, it's been good. But, And so, yeah, it's been good. But, And so, yeah, it's been good. But, you're right. It all started with Toyota you're right. It all started with Toyota you're right. It all started with Toyota and the Prius, right? and the Prius, right? and the Prius, right? Um you know, and so uh gosh, I remember Um you know, and so uh gosh, I remember Um you know, and so uh gosh, I remember when that was the hottest thing for a when that was the hottest thing for a when that was the hottest thing for a while. So, you are the first person I've while. So, you are the first person I've while. So, you are the first person I've heard who's ever saying anything heard who's ever saying anything heard who's ever saying anything slightly not good about EVs. Usually, slightly not good about EVs. Usually, slightly not good about EVs. Usually, anyone I talk to has an EV, all they anyone I talk to has an EV, all they anyone I talk to has an EV, all they talk about is like they're a preacher or talk about is like they're a preacher or talk about is like they're a preacher or something, and they want to convert me something, and they want to convert me something, and they want to convert me or something to EVs. And so, the fact or something to EVs. And so, the fact or something to EVs. And so, the fact that you're saying it's not for that you're saying it's not for that you're saying it's not for everyone, Yeah. I've never heard anyone everyone, Yeah. I've never heard anyone everyone, Yeah. I've never heard anyone ever say that. I've heard everyone say, ever say that. I've heard everyone say, ever say that. I've heard everyone say, "You're a Neanderthal horrible human "You're a Neanderthal horrible human "You're a Neanderthal horrible human being for driving a combustion engine being for driving a combustion engine being for driving a combustion engine car. You're destroying the planet, and car. You're destroying the planet, and car. You're destroying the planet, and you need to get a Tesla right now. I'm you need to get a Tesla right now. I'm you need to get a Tesla right now. I'm going to drive you down to the Tesla going to drive you down to the Tesla going to drive you down to the Tesla dealership." [laughter] dealership." [laughter] dealership." [laughter] Don't worry about the fact that when Don't worry about the fact that when Don't worry about the fact that when they when your Tesla's broken, don't they when your Tesla's broken, don't they when your Tesla's broken, don't worry about the fact that the worry about the fact that the worry about the fact that the diesel-powered truck that comes to pick diesel-powered truck that comes to pick diesel-powered truck that comes to pick up your car makes [laughter] it go. up your car makes [laughter] it go. up your car makes [laughter] it go. >> Well, you know, you know, the thing is >> Well, you know, you know, the thing is >> Well, you know, you know, the thing is that you live and you learn and the that you live and you learn and the that you live and you learn and the things things change, you know. Nobody things things change, you know. Nobody things things change, you know. Nobody thought thought thought you know, with all these subsidies for you know, with all these subsidies for you know, with all these subsidies for solar and promotion of like green solar and promotion of like green solar and promotion of like green energy, would you find a overcapacity of energy, would you find a overcapacity of energy, would you find a overcapacity of a certain kind of harvesting technology a certain kind of harvesting technology a certain kind of harvesting technology or generation technology, which is or generation technology, which is or generation technology, which is solar, where during you know, you need solar, where during you know, you need solar, where during you know, you need sun, right? Sun is not there all the sun, right? Sun is not there all the sun, right? Sun is not there all the time. And then now, you know, it's it's time. And then now, you know, it's it's time. And then now, you know, it's it's just like just like just like these AI systems, you find out that oh, these AI systems, you find out that oh, these AI systems, you find out that oh, you actually what's now more important

you actually what's now more important you actually what's now more important is this other thing like networking or is this other thing like networking or is this other thing like networking or memory, right? memory, right? memory, right? And um solar And um solar And um solar uh you know, power, you need batteries. uh you know, power, you need batteries. uh you know, power, you need batteries. And so now there everybody is trying to And so now there everybody is trying to And so now there everybody is trying to force with the the right plans and force with the the right plans and force with the the right plans and everything like that, force people to everything like that, force people to everything like that, force people to buy batteries. So for this new house buy batteries. So for this new house buy batteries. So for this new house that we live in, we have to buy these that we live in, we have to buy these that we live in, we have to buy these very expensive batteries. Otherwise, it very expensive batteries. Otherwise, it very expensive batteries. Otherwise, it completely makes no sense. In other completely makes no sense. In other completely makes no sense. In other words, the energy uh the power companies words, the energy uh the power companies words, the energy uh the power companies don't want you to don't want you to don't want you to really really really >> Uh you have to sell the energy you >> Uh you have to sell the energy you >> Uh you have to sell the energy you generate it. generate it. generate it. >> They don't want to deal with you, right? >> They don't want to deal with you, right? >> They don't want to deal with you, right? Because you will be on grid Because you will be on grid Because you will be on grid uh in a certain way. Is this because uh in a certain way. Is this because uh in a certain way. Is this because you're you're you're >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> But but don't you think that this opens >> But but don't you think that this opens >> But but don't you think that this opens like a market of uh for uh new like a market of uh for uh new like a market of uh for uh new businesses that will recycle old businesses that will recycle old businesses that will recycle old batteries from EV cars batteries from EV cars batteries from EV cars into into this systems? For example, I into into this systems? For example, I into into this systems? For example, I think a lot of innovation and recycling think a lot of innovation and recycling think a lot of innovation and recycling and second life and second life and second life for batteries.

for batteries. for batteries. >> So I definitely I'm wondering, did did >> So I definitely I'm wondering, did did >> So I definitely I'm wondering, did did Chevy ever make like a hybrid Tahoe or Chevy ever make like a hybrid Tahoe or Chevy ever make like a hybrid Tahoe or Suburban? Suburban? Suburban? >> You know, I'm a big Tahoe driver, but >> You know, I'm a big Tahoe driver, but >> You know, I'm a big Tahoe driver, but no. Um no. Um no. Um I mean, it's probably the first time I mean, it's probably the first time I mean, it's probably the first time this this year has been the first time this this year has been the first time this this year has been the first time I've actually considering a hybrid. I've actually considering a hybrid. I've actually considering a hybrid. Um Um Um and it may be too late for me because my and it may be too late for me because my and it may be too late for me because my son's about to start driving and really son's about to start driving and really son's about to start driving and really probably 90% of my mileage is driving to probably 90% of my mileage is driving to probably 90% of my mileage is driving to Fredericksburg and back, which is 4 Fredericksburg and back, which is 4 Fredericksburg and back, which is 4 hours during the school year, you know, hours during the school year, you know, hours during the school year, you know, a day. 1 hour there, 1 hour back, 1 hour a day. 1 hour there, 1 hour back, 1 hour a day. 1 hour there, 1 hour back, 1 hour there, 1 you know, so there, 1 you know, so there, 1 you know, so um he'll start driving in November, so I um he'll start driving in November, so I um he'll start driving in November, so I mean, I won't have the mileage that I've mean, I won't have the mileage that I've mean, I won't have the mileage that I've been putting on since forever, right? So been putting on since forever, right? So been putting on since forever, right? So but the fact that I'm actually you know, but the fact that I'm actually you know, but the fact that I'm actually you know, 5 years ago I was like 5 years ago I was like 5 years ago I was like laughing at electric out here in the laughing at electric out here in the laughing at electric out here in the hill country because of the lack of hill country because of the lack of hill country because of the lack of infrastructure and there are a lot of infrastructure and there are a lot of infrastructure and there are a lot of there are a lot of availability now to there are a lot of availability now to there are a lot of availability now to go charge your vehicle in in even in the go charge your vehicle in in even in the go charge your vehicle in in even in the rural areas out here.

rural areas out here. rural areas out here. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Believe it or not. But my husband would >> Believe it or not. But my husband would >> Believe it or not. But my husband would be the kind just like you guys were be the kind just like you guys were be the kind just like you guys were saying, he would have the full battery saying, he would have the full battery saying, he would have the full battery and plug and everything at our home. He and plug and everything at our home. He and plug and everything at our home. He would never rely on would never rely on would never rely on >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it starts >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it starts >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it starts at home, for sure. at home, for sure. at home, for sure. >> and we and we already have like three >> and we and we already have like three >> and we and we already have like three different RV different RV different RV um plugs which I think that I think for um plugs which I think that I think for um plugs which I think that I think for the most part those the most part those the most part those that that you can actually plug into that that you can actually plug into that that you can actually plug into those um because of of the way they're those um because of of the way they're those um because of of the way they're set up, I think that they actually work set up, I think that they actually work set up, I think that they actually work with most electric as well. with most electric as well. with most electric as well. >> Yeah. Level two charging or whatever. >> Yeah. Level two charging or whatever. >> Yeah. Level two charging or whatever. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, that makes sense. >> Yeah, but don't get me wrong. If you >> Yeah, but don't get me wrong. If you >> Yeah, but don't get me wrong. If you have the right setup in the right have the right setup in the right have the right setup in the right situation, it's freaking awesome. I situation, it's freaking awesome. I situation, it's freaking awesome. I mean, our energy bill is like, mean, our energy bill is like, mean, our energy bill is like, you know, pretty much negative, right? you know, pretty much negative, right? you know, pretty much negative, right? Um Um Um So, we get all the transportation that So, we get all the transportation that So, we get all the transportation that we need, right? Um we don't have we we need, right? Um we don't have we we need, right? Um we don't have we don't ever go to the gas station. We don't ever go to the gas station. We don't ever go to the gas station. We don't we don't even give a crap about don't we don't even give a crap about don't we don't even give a crap about the price of gasoline. So, the price of gasoline. So, the price of gasoline. So, >> Right.

>> Right. >> Right. >> we watch every month and laugh about >> we watch every month and laugh about >> we watch every month and laugh about that and go, that and go, that and go, "We don't care." "We don't care." "We don't care." But um it it it you are literally But um it it it you are literally But um it it it you are literally managing your own energy and you have to managing your own energy and you have to managing your own energy and you have to be active about it. be active about it. be active about it. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> And AI doesn't help. >> And AI doesn't help. >> And AI doesn't help. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Well, and I think for us like I I think >> Well, and I think for us like I I think >> Well, and I think for us like I I think for a lot of the Texas ranchers and for a lot of the Texas ranchers and for a lot of the Texas ranchers and farmers, farmers, farmers, you know, they still heavily rely on you know, they still heavily rely on you know, they still heavily rely on their equipment to be, you know, diesel their equipment to be, you know, diesel their equipment to be, you know, diesel and you know, gas. and you know, gas. and you know, gas. >> Yeah, farm ranching equipment's all >> Yeah, farm ranching equipment's all >> Yeah, farm ranching equipment's all diesel. diesel. diesel. >> Yeah, but if you go to like if you went >> Yeah, but if you go to like if you went >> Yeah, but if you go to like if you went to the Consumer Electronics Show, you to the Consumer Electronics Show, you to the Consumer Electronics Show, you saw that not only are they like starting saw that not only are they like starting saw that not only are they like starting to dabble in all kinds of autonomous, to dabble in all kinds of autonomous, to dabble in all kinds of autonomous, you know, farming and ag equipment, but you know, farming and ag equipment, but you know, farming and ag equipment, but also electric. So, I mean, the So, the also electric. So, I mean, the So, the also electric. So, I mean, the So, the question is for the industry, well, question is for the industry, well, question is for the industry, well, well, when will we get there? But, think well, when will we get there? But, think well, when will we get there? But, think about Think about all the construction about Think about all the construction about Think about all the construction industry, the farming industry, the ag industry, the farming industry, the ag industry, the farming industry, the ag industry, they are going to be laggards industry, they are going to be laggards industry, they are going to be laggards in terms of adoption. Um, they're I in terms of adoption. Um, they're I in terms of adoption. Um, they're I think at at this point in time, from think at at this point in time, from think at at this point in time, from what I understand and then those that what I understand and then those that what I understand and then those that I've talked to, I've talked to, I've talked to, they're very much an adopter of using they're very much an adopter of using they're very much an adopter of using sensors to track their equipment, to sensors to track their equipment, to sensors to track their equipment, to locate their equipment, you know, to locate their equipment, you know, to locate their equipment, you know, to manage their fleets and all of that, but manage their fleets and all of that, but manage their fleets and all of that, but I don't know. I think that they're I don't know. I think that they're I don't know. I think that they're they're so reliant on fuel they're so reliant on fuel they're so reliant on fuel that they may be and it's very expensive that they may be and it's very expensive that they may be and it's very expensive to replace a fleet.

to replace a fleet. to replace a fleet. >> Yeah. But, I think they have bigger >> Yeah. But, I think they have bigger >> Yeah. But, I think they have bigger worries now and cost of fertilizer is worries now and cost of fertilizer is worries now and cost of fertilizer is probably freaking them out or access to probably freaking them out or access to probably freaking them out or access to fertilizer freaking them out more than fertilizer freaking them out more than fertilizer freaking them out more than anything. anything. anything. >> And that's tough. >> And that's tough. >> And that's tough. >> That That and >> That That and >> That That and That and in Texas, That and in Texas, That and in Texas, you know, it's always I think behind the you know, it's always I think behind the you know, it's always I think behind the scenes a a worry for farmers and ag scenes a a worry for farmers and ag scenes a a worry for farmers and ag is the lack of water or the future lack is the lack of water or the future lack is the lack of water or the future lack of water. of water. of water. That's an issue. That's an issue. That's an issue. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's right. You know, I was in That's right. You know, I was in That's right. You know, I was in Maryland Maryland Maryland and um and um and um So, I was at an event So, I was at an event So, I was at an event um hosted by CNM to talk and I was um hosted by CNM to talk and I was um hosted by CNM to talk and I was invited to talk about AI AI and AI. invited to talk about AI AI and AI. invited to talk about AI AI and AI. And I would I heard that the East Coast And I would I heard that the East Coast And I would I heard that the East Coast is suffering a drought right now. There is suffering a drought right now. There is suffering a drought right now. There isn't isn't isn't >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah, and I'm like, you got to be effing >> Yeah, and I'm like, you got to be effing >> Yeah, and I'm like, you got to be effing kidding me. So, we're driving [laughter] kidding me. So, we're driving [laughter] kidding me. So, we're driving [laughter] through the, you know, the uh the through the, you know, the uh the through the, you know, the uh the you know, the the rural outskirts of you know, the the rural outskirts of you know, the the rural outskirts of um of Baltimore and um of Baltimore and um of Baltimore and it it's just lush and green everywhere.

it it's just lush and green everywhere. it it's just lush and green everywhere. It's just absolutely beautiful, right? It's just absolutely beautiful, right? It's just absolutely beautiful, right? And I'm thinking, And I'm thinking, And I'm thinking, how the hell are you having a drought, how the hell are you having a drought, how the hell are you having a drought, right? But, then apparently in Raleigh right? But, then apparently in Raleigh right? But, then apparently in Raleigh in North Carolina, there's there's a lot in North Carolina, there's there's a lot in North Carolina, there's there's a lot of areas that are now tinderboxes and I of areas that are now tinderboxes and I of areas that are now tinderboxes and I I'm I'm I'm I I I you know, you know, you know, um I asked him, "Are you serious? I um I asked him, "Are you serious? I um I asked him, "Are you serious? I mean, we're talking about like dry mean, we're talking about like dry mean, we're talking about like dry you know, brush and stuff like that?" you know, brush and stuff like that?" you know, brush and stuff like that?" And he goes, "Yeah." And he goes, "Yeah." And he goes, "Yeah." And And And um and it's weird because right now um and it's weird because right now um and it's weird because right now everyone thinks that California is the everyone thinks that California is the everyone thinks that California is the place where all the fires happen, right? place where all the fires happen, right? place where all the fires happen, right? Now it's Colorado. Now it's like pretty Now it's Colorado. Now it's like pretty Now it's Colorado. Now it's like pretty much much much the entire the entire the entire East Coast or the East East Coast or the East East Coast or the East >> Well, I know that also >> Well, I know that also >> Well, I know that also also northern Arizona. Northern Arizona also northern Arizona. Northern Arizona also northern Arizona. Northern Arizona and what's it? Southern Colorado. They and what's it? Southern Colorado. They and what's it? Southern Colorado. They really have like they have wildfires. really have like they have wildfires. really have like they have wildfires. They You don't hear about it, but my They You don't hear about it, but my They You don't hear about it, but my husband was up there flying husband was up there flying husband was up there flying um on a ranch northern Arizona that he um on a ranch northern Arizona that he um on a ranch northern Arizona that he does every year and he's like you can does every year and he's like you can does every year and he's like you can see the fires like when you get up in see the fires like when you get up in see the fires like when you get up in the helicopter, you can see them the helicopter, you can see them the helicopter, you can see them everywhere. So everywhere. So everywhere. So and I don't think people you know, and I don't think people you know, and I don't think people you know, people tend to like concentrate the fact people tend to like concentrate the fact people tend to like concentrate the fact that there are droughts to California that there are droughts to California that there are droughts to California and they don't really think about and they don't really think about and they don't really think about >> That's a good point. You know, it's it's >> That's a good point. You know, it's it's >> That's a good point. You know, it's it's a problem everywhere. All right. So a problem everywhere. All right. So a problem everywhere. All right. So Leonard, you need Can you let me share Leonard, you need Can you let me share Leonard, you need Can you let me share my screen? I want to show you a picture my screen? I want to show you a picture my screen? I want to show you a picture of something I created back in 2014.

of something I created back in 2014. of something I created back in 2014. >> Yes, I love your water plan for the for >> Yes, I love your water plan for the for >> Yes, I love your water plan for the for the US. the US. the US. Please. Please. Please. >> Sure. There was this horrible drought >> Sure. There was this horrible drought >> Sure. There was this horrible drought back then in the Midwest. back then in the Midwest. back then in the Midwest. Um Um Um But yeah, it's this thing here. Um But yeah, it's this thing here. Um But yeah, it's this thing here. Um And what we're seeing is And what we're seeing is And what we're seeing is >> going to have a super El Nino, so it's >> going to have a super El Nino, so it's >> going to have a super El Nino, so it's going to be absolute nightmare. going to be absolute nightmare. going to be absolute nightmare. >> And so yeah, this picture here was I was >> And so yeah, this picture here was I was >> And so yeah, this picture here was I was thinking, you know, we have all these thinking, you know, we have all these thinking, you know, we have all these natural gas pipelines and oil pipelines natural gas pipelines and oil pipelines natural gas pipelines and oil pipelines all over the country and you know, the all over the country and you know, the all over the country and you know, the Middle East and lots other places, Middle East and lots other places, Middle East and lots other places, Australia, they have to do a lot of Australia, they have to do a lot of Australia, they have to do a lot of desalination desalination desalination and and we had a horrible drought back and and we had a horrible drought back and and we had a horrible drought back then in 2012, 2013 and the Midwest was then in 2012, 2013 and the Midwest was then in 2012, 2013 and the Midwest was all burning up and all the crops were all burning up and all the crops were all burning up and all the crops were dying. And so I would just imagined if dying. And so I would just imagined if dying. And so I would just imagined if we lined all the coastline of the we lined all the coastline of the we lined all the coastline of the country um with desalination plants country um with desalination plants country um with desalination plants powered by powered by powered by wind, solar, and nuclear and then we use wind, solar, and nuclear and then we use wind, solar, and nuclear and then we use the pipelines and maybe we have to build the pipelines and maybe we have to build the pipelines and maybe we have to build some pipelines to move that water some pipelines to move that water some pipelines to move that water inland. inland. inland. Um Um Um anyway, I remember writing up all this anyway, I remember writing up all this anyway, I remember writing up all this whole strategy of how to do this thing.

whole strategy of how to do this thing. whole strategy of how to do this thing. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> And learning of you know, pump stations >> And learning of you know, pump stations >> And learning of you know, pump stations and how people are like, "How are you and how people are like, "How are you and how people are like, "How are you going to get the water over the Rocky going to get the water over the Rocky going to get the water over the Rocky Mountains?" And stuff like that. Mountains?" And stuff like that. Mountains?" And stuff like that. Um and so yeah, it's not it's not easy, Um and so yeah, it's not it's not easy, Um and so yeah, it's not it's not easy, but it's pumps. Yeah, it's not easy. but it's pumps. Yeah, it's not easy. but it's pumps. Yeah, it's not easy. It's based on It's based on It's based on >> I remember Rob talking about this >> I remember Rob talking about this >> I remember Rob talking about this conversation cuz we've talked about conversation cuz we've talked about conversation cuz we've talked about droughts because you know, I think droughts because you know, I think droughts because you know, I think there's been quite a few times where there's been quite a few times where there's been quite a few times where where we've been on IoT Coffee Talk and where we've been on IoT Coffee Talk and where we've been on IoT Coffee Talk and the Texas in the middle of a massive the Texas in the middle of a massive the Texas in the middle of a massive drought, but one of the things that we drought, but one of the things that we drought, but one of the things that we talked about before was somewhere near talked about before was somewhere near talked about before was somewhere near Big Bend they discovered this, you know, Big Bend they discovered this, you know, Big Bend they discovered this, you know, water source and even sand source which water source and even sand source which water source and even sand source which they created pipelines that move to the they created pipelines that move to the they created pipelines that move to the Permian Basin up north where all that Permian Basin up north where all that Permian Basin up north where all that oil is being produced because they need oil is being produced because they need oil is being produced because they need water and they need like a specific very water and they need like a specific very water and they need like a specific very fine filtered sand. fine filtered sand. fine filtered sand. Um so the there's infrastructure there I Um so the there's infrastructure there I Um so the there's infrastructure there I think for and I know in Texas for think for and I know in Texas for think for and I know in Texas for different water movement because of the different water movement because of the different water movement because of the oil industry. I just don't know about oil industry. I just don't know about oil industry. I just don't know about all the other states and where they are all the other states and where they are all the other states and where they are with with with pipelines.

pipelines. pipelines. >> Yeah. No, you're right. I mean, >> Yeah. No, you're right. I mean, >> Yeah. No, you're right. I mean, something like this would cost trillions something like this would cost trillions something like this would cost trillions of dollars. of dollars. of dollars. >> Well, you're Yeah, and Europe has like >> Well, you're Yeah, and Europe has like >> Well, you're Yeah, and Europe has like the same issues too, right? Don't you the same issues too, right? Don't you the same issues too, right? Don't you guys? guys? guys? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Mark? >> Mark? >> Mark? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. >> Last year there were like massive fires, >> Last year there were like massive fires, >> Last year there were like massive fires, weren't there? weren't there? weren't there? >> Yeah, I know. I already Yeah. >> Yeah, I know. I already Yeah. >> Yeah, I know. I already Yeah. >> Like in Italy? >> Like in Italy? >> Like in Italy? Like freaking Like freaking Like freaking >> Yeah, in Italy, in Greece, in Spain. >> Yeah, in Italy, in Greece, in Spain. >> Yeah, in Italy, in Greece, in Spain. There are massive fires, yeah. There are massive fires, yeah. There are massive fires, yeah. >> [snorts and clears throat] >> [snorts and clears throat] >> [snorts and clears throat] >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. And we Yeah, we to we are now in And we Yeah, we to we are now in And we Yeah, we to we are now in Barcelona, yeah, drinking water from Barcelona, yeah, drinking water from Barcelona, yeah, drinking water from from the sea, absolutely 100%. So, the from the sea, absolutely 100%. So, the from the sea, absolutely 100%. So, the >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> the country has started to plan, you >> the country has started to plan, you >> the country has started to plan, you know, how to get know, how to get know, how to get water not from the mountains or the water not from the mountains or the water not from the mountains or the rain, but from the sea. rain, but from the sea. rain, but from the sea. >> Yeah, the river. >> Yeah, the river. >> Yeah, the river. >> And I think in in other places >> And I think in in other places >> And I think in in other places >> Well, I heard that also, >> Well, I heard that also, >> Well, I heard that also, speaking of that, you know, you you speaking of that, you know, you you speaking of that, you know, you you reminded me about the the runoff from reminded me about the the runoff from reminded me about the the runoff from the mountains and the you know, when the the mountains and the you know, when the the mountains and the you know, when the snow caps start to melt, but I also snow caps start to melt, but I also snow caps start to melt, but I also heard that one of the reasons why like heard that one of the reasons why like heard that one of the reasons why like northern Arizona, because they get they northern Arizona, because they get they northern Arizona, because they get they got a lot of their water from the got a lot of their water from the got a lot of their water from the snowmelt.

snowmelt. snowmelt. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And there wasn't as much snow >> And there wasn't as much snow >> And there wasn't as much snow in the winter this past winter, so they in the winter this past winter, so they in the winter this past winter, so they just all their water sources were dry just all their water sources were dry just all their water sources were dry and then of course they didn't get rain, and then of course they didn't get rain, and then of course they didn't get rain, so it that's so it that's so it that's >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> That reminded me of that. >> That reminded me of that. >> That reminded me of that. >> Right. But then, you know, we have to >> Right. But then, you know, we have to >> Right. But then, you know, we have to remember what one of the one of the most remember what one of the one of the most remember what one of the one of the most popular uses of water in Arizona, New popular uses of water in Arizona, New popular uses of water in Arizona, New Mexico and these other areas are. Mexico and these other areas are. Mexico and these other areas are. Right? Which is water the air. Right? Which is water the air. Right? Which is water the air. >> Golf. >> Golf. >> Golf. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> How do we sprinkle Yeah, well, that too. >> How do we sprinkle Yeah, well, that too. >> How do we sprinkle Yeah, well, that too. >> Yeah, I mean like why don't we build >> Yeah, I mean like why don't we build >> Yeah, I mean like why don't we build like [laughter] stuff that consumes the like [laughter] stuff that consumes the like [laughter] stuff that consumes the most water in the most most water in the most most water in the most >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But [laughter] but you know what >> But [laughter] but you know what >> But [laughter] but you know what happened in happened in happened in here in in Catalonia, what happened here in in Catalonia, what happened here in in Catalonia, what happened during the COVID-19 during the COVID-19 during the COVID-19 situation was that our swamps were situation was that our swamps were situation was that our swamps were almost at 100%. almost at 100%. almost at 100%. Of what? Full of water? Of what? Full of water? Of what? Full of water? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So, no, it was >> So, no, it was >> So, no, it was I don't know if it was 2020 or 2022, I don't know if it was 2020 or 2022, I don't know if it was 2020 or 2022, something like that. something like that. something like that. So, the So, the So, the what they decided is okay, we are going what they decided is okay, we are going what they decided is okay, we are going to empty our swamps because electricity to empty our swamps because electricity to empty our swamps because electricity is too expensive. Maybe that was for the is too expensive. Maybe that was for the is too expensive. Maybe that was for the Ukrainian war, maybe for Ukrainian war, maybe for Ukrainian war, maybe for So, So, So, and then they decided to do that and then they decided to do that and then they decided to do that and and they empty all the swamps and and they empty all the swamps and and they empty all the swamps and then it it was as well a drought and then it it was as well a drought and then it it was as well a drought season and during the next two years it season and during the next two years it season and during the next two years it didn't rain, so it was like, "Okay, so didn't rain, so it was like, "Okay, so didn't rain, so it was like, "Okay, so we don't have water at all."

we don't have water at all." we don't have water at all." Um so Um so Um so >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Who took that decision? >> Who took that decision? >> Who took that decision? >> god. >> god. >> god. >> And the >> And the >> And the >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And the funny story is that the energy >> And the funny story is that the energy >> And the funny story is that the energy generated by the swamps, it's almost generated by the swamps, it's almost generated by the swamps, it's almost free. free. free. But the electrical companies didn't want But the electrical companies didn't want But the electrical companies didn't want to give the electricity for free. So to give the electricity for free. So to give the electricity for free. So there is a law that if you if there is a law that if you if there is a law that if you if that uh that they are going to charge that uh that they are going to charge that uh that they are going to charge the electricity the electricity the electricity um um um at least in Spain, if you if if the um at least in Spain, if you if if the um at least in Spain, if you if if the um if the company just generates at least if the company just generates at least if the company just generates at least during 1 hour so they will charge you during 1 hour so they will charge you during 1 hour so they will charge you the maximum the maximum the maximum uh cost of energy uh during 1 day at uh cost of energy uh during 1 day at uh cost of energy uh during 1 day at least during 1 hour. So during 1 hour least during 1 hour. So during 1 hour least during 1 hour. So during 1 hour they were burning coal and the other 23 they were burning coal and the other 23 they were burning coal and the other 23 hours they were using the water from the hours they were using the water from the hours they were using the water from the swamps to generate electricity. So they swamps to generate electricity. So they swamps to generate electricity. So they were charging the citizens by the by the were charging the citizens by the by the were charging the citizens by the by the price of the coal energy. price of the coal energy. price of the coal energy. >> But the coal, yeah. >> But the coal, yeah. >> But the coal, yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. >> super expensive energy and in the >> super expensive energy and in the >> super expensive energy and in the meantime they were emptying the swamps meantime they were emptying the swamps meantime they were emptying the swamps and uh and letting us know that we will and uh and letting us know that we will and uh and letting us know that we will we would have no water.

we would have no water. we would have no water. >> You'll have no water. Don't worry. >> You'll have no water. Don't worry. >> You'll have no water. Don't worry. >> Don't worry. >> Don't worry. >> Don't worry. >> It'll be fine. >> It'll be fine. >> It'll be fine. >> Based on what you just said, I think um >> Based on what you just said, I think um >> Based on what you just said, I think um a good future career for people would be a good future career for people would be a good future career for people would be uh to be a um uh to be a um uh to be a um uh conservationist uh conservationist uh conservationist because those Well, no, just period, you because those Well, no, just period, you because those Well, no, just period, you know, having multi-domain understanding know, having multi-domain understanding know, having multi-domain understanding of different conservation of different conservation of different conservation topics so that you know, policies don't topics so that you know, policies don't topics so that you know, policies don't go off the rails and create a major go off the rails and create a major go off the rails and create a major crisis, you know, where where something crisis, you know, where where something crisis, you know, where where something that looks obvious at the moment it that looks obvious at the moment it that looks obvious at the moment it could create a catastrophic could create a catastrophic could create a catastrophic uh situation for the future of everyone. uh situation for the future of everyone. uh situation for the future of everyone. And that I mean, you know, going back to And that I mean, you know, going back to And that I mean, you know, going back to Idiocracy, we're at a moment where Idiocracy, we're at a moment where Idiocracy, we're at a moment where idiocracy could just completely idiocracy could just completely idiocracy could just completely uh uh you know, subject an a a community uh uh you know, subject an a a community uh uh you know, subject an a a community to to to uh becoming a uh becoming a uh becoming a ghost town, you know? You have no water, ghost town, you know? You have no water, ghost town, you know? You have no water, you have no you know, electricity is too you have no you know, electricity is too you have no you know, electricity is too expensive. You're I mean expensive. You're I mean expensive. You're I mean >> They're going to turn into Tombstone, >> They're going to turn into Tombstone, >> They're going to turn into Tombstone, Arizona.

Arizona. Arizona. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah, well >> Yeah, well >> Yeah, well >> And then everyone has to live in your >> And then everyone has to live in your >> And then everyone has to live in your house. house. house. You'll have chat GPT. You'll have chat You'll have chat GPT. You'll have chat You'll have chat GPT. You'll have chat GPT on your phone. What do What else do GPT on your phone. What do What else do GPT on your phone. What do What else do you need? you need? you need? >> You start to think, Leonard, that it may >> You start to think, Leonard, that it may >> You start to think, Leonard, that it may it may come down to us personal citizens it may come down to us personal citizens it may come down to us personal citizens to start doing, you know, the to start doing, you know, the to start doing, you know, the stewardship stewardship of our own stewardship stewardship of our own stewardship stewardship of our own because because because if the corporations or in some kind of if the corporations or in some kind of if the corporations or in some kind of entity or government entity is not doing entity or government entity is not doing entity or government entity is not doing it, so who is who's going to do this? it, so who is who's going to do this? it, so who is who's going to do this? >> Yeah, community >> Yeah, community >> Yeah, community is going to have to do it. Yeah. is going to have to do it. Yeah. is going to have to do it. Yeah. Community is going to have to do it. Community is going to have to do it. Community is going to have to do it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But see, you know, I'm thinking in the >> But see, you know, I'm thinking in the >> But see, you know, I'm thinking in the in the long term as well. I I don't in the long term as well. I I don't in the long term as well. I I don't think that it's a long term vision. think that it's a long term vision. think that it's a long term vision. >> communities people >> communities people >> communities people >> You're so right, Mark. There's no >> You're so right, Mark. There's no >> You're so right, Mark. There's no long-term vision. You're right, long-term vision. You're right, long-term vision. You're right, Stephanie. And it's a shame that it Stephanie. And it's a shame that it Stephanie. And it's a shame that it would have to be up to all of us to try would have to be up to all of us to try would have to be up to all of us to try to save the planet from the water and to save the planet from the water and to save the planet from the water and all the other things, the dying crops. I all the other things, the dying crops. I all the other things, the dying crops. I I remember when I was writing about the I remember when I was writing about the I remember when I was writing about the the droughts. the droughts. the droughts. And it was just like, you know, people And it was just like, you know, people And it was just like, you know, people like, "Oh, well, we'll figure out a like, "Oh, well, we'll figure out a like, "Oh, well, we'll figure out a way." But the crops will die, the way." But the crops will die, the way." But the crops will die, the livestock will die. livestock will die. livestock will die. And then pretty soon the reason humanity And then pretty soon the reason humanity And then pretty soon the reason humanity will die is you're going to starve to will die is you're going to starve to will die is you're going to starve to death actually because all of your food death actually because all of your food death actually because all of your food sources are all burning up and drying up sources are all burning up and drying up sources are all burning up and drying up and you cannot grow anything or have and you cannot grow anything or have and you cannot grow anything or have livestock and it's livestock and it's livestock and it's And I wish you're right, Mark. There's And I wish you're right, Mark. There's And I wish you're right, Mark. There's no long-term vision. I don't see our no long-term vision. I don't see our no long-term vision. I don't see our governments taking the long view.

governments taking the long view. governments taking the long view. Corporations don't take a long view. Corporations don't take a long view. Corporations don't take a long view. They take a quarter by quarter, how much They take a quarter by quarter, how much They take a quarter by quarter, how much money am I making, how much you loving money am I making, how much you loving money am I making, how much you loving me lately. me lately. me lately. Uh and God, I sound like some kind of Uh and God, I sound like some kind of Uh and God, I sound like some kind of radical, don't I? radical, don't I? radical, don't I? Um Um Um >> But no, no, but >> But no, no, but >> But no, no, but >> But that is why I'm But, why I am >> But that is why I'm But, why I am >> But that is why I'm But, why I am interested in Chinese Common sense can interested in Chinese Common sense can interested in Chinese Common sense can sound radical sometimes. sound radical sometimes. sound radical sometimes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I love that quote. You need to You >> Oh, I love that quote. You need to You >> Oh, I love that quote. You need to You need to post that. need to post that. need to post that. >> You need to post that, Anthony. >> You need to post that, Anthony. >> You need to post that, Anthony. >> Common sense. >> Common sense. >> Common sense. Yeah, it's radical. Yeah, it's radical. Yeah, it's radical. >> It's radical. >> It's radical. >> It's radical. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Wow. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Wow. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Wow. >> is why I'm so impressed by the Chinese >> is why I'm so impressed by the Chinese >> is why I'm so impressed by the Chinese government long-term vision, decisions, government long-term vision, decisions, government long-term vision, decisions, and execution, right? So, they decided and execution, right? So, they decided and execution, right? So, they decided So, in the '70s, they they were one of So, in the '70s, they they were one of So, in the '70s, they they were one of the poorest countries in the world, the poorest countries in the world, the poorest countries in the world, China. China. China. >> Yeah. It's true. >> Yeah. It's true. >> Yeah. It's true. >> So, they they start taking decisions and >> So, they they start taking decisions and >> So, they they start taking decisions and executing. executing. executing. >> And they did a lot of executing, you're >> And they did a lot of executing, you're >> And they did a lot of executing, you're right. right. right. >> They visualized >> They visualized >> They visualized >> They did a lot of Yeah. >> They did a lot of Yeah. >> They did a lot of Yeah. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah, of course. Yeah. But >> Yeah, of course. Yeah. But >> Yeah, of course. Yeah. But >> But they're they're using the same >> But they're they're using the same >> But they're they're using the same formula that the Japanese and the South formula that the Japanese and the South formula that the Japanese and the South Koreans used, you know, um so anyone who Koreans used, you know, um so anyone who Koreans used, you know, um so anyone who knows anything about Asian history, knows anything about Asian history, knows anything about Asian history, recent modern Asian history, they you recent modern Asian history, they you recent modern Asian history, they you know, know, know, they just follow the coattails of guys they just follow the coattails of guys they just follow the coattails of guys that that that you know, used their current method to you know, used their current method to you know, used their current method to great effect. Cuz Korea South Korea was great effect. Cuz Korea South Korea was great effect. Cuz Korea South Korea was one of was one of the poorest countries one of was one of the poorest countries one of was one of the poorest countries in the world in the '50s and the '60s.

in the world in the '50s and the '60s. in the world in the '50s and the '60s. Um but, you know, um Um but, you know, um Um but, you know, um yeah, this whole idea of like yeah, this whole idea of like yeah, this whole idea of like communities having to to band together, communities having to to band together, communities having to to band together, but you know, but you know, but you know, I mean I mean I mean >> It's interesting you guys it made me >> It's interesting you guys it made me >> It's interesting you guys it made me think about like here locally there is think about like here locally there is think about like here locally there is there's this place called Salado Ranch. there's this place called Salado Ranch. there's this place called Salado Ranch. And when I first heard about it, I And when I first heard about it, I And when I first heard about it, I thought it was I didn't know what it thought it was I didn't know what it thought it was I didn't know what it was, but it's I went there and got some was, but it's I went there and got some was, but it's I went there and got some food cuz I saw that it was a restaurant. food cuz I saw that it was a restaurant. food cuz I saw that it was a restaurant. But when I got there and I've been But when I got there and I've been But when I got there and I've been following them on Instagram and all following them on Instagram and all following them on Instagram and all these other places, they're doing a lot these other places, they're doing a lot these other places, they're doing a lot more. It's farm-to-table stuff, but they more. It's farm-to-table stuff, but they more. It's farm-to-table stuff, but they have their own cattle, their own goats, have their own cattle, their own goats, have their own cattle, their own goats, they have their own milk, they have they have their own milk, they have they have their own milk, they have their like all the gardening plants, their like all the gardening plants, their like all the gardening plants, everything there. everything there. everything there. Um but they had this huge forum, and Um but they had this huge forum, and Um but they had this huge forum, and they had people from all over the world they had people from all over the world they had people from all over the world come and Bandera, Texas of all places come and Bandera, Texas of all places come and Bandera, Texas of all places and it's really off the beaten path to and it's really off the beaten path to and it's really off the beaten path to get to this place by the way. get to this place by the way. get to this place by the way. Um, but you know, they're they're doing Um, but you know, they're they're doing Um, but you know, they're they're doing the water storage. They're it's the water storage. They're it's the water storage. They're it's extremely green and they're they're extremely green and they're they're extremely green and they're they're really focused on no chemicals, really focused on no chemicals, really focused on no chemicals, everything fresh, homegrown.

everything fresh, homegrown. everything fresh, homegrown. Um, and it's a full lifestyle type Um, and it's a full lifestyle type Um, and it's a full lifestyle type place. place. place. Um, and believe it or not they had Um, and believe it or not they had Um, and believe it or not they had people from the federal government that people from the federal government that people from the federal government that were there at part of this This was like were there at part of this This was like were there at part of this This was like maybe 2 months ago that they had all the maybe 2 months ago that they had all the maybe 2 months ago that they had all the people in town. But it didn't get any people in town. But it didn't get any people in town. But it didn't get any media attention. It didn't get the media attention. It didn't get the media attention. It didn't get the coverage and I was surprised because it coverage and I was surprised because it coverage and I was surprised because it was it were it was like groups of was it were it was like groups of was it were it was like groups of naturalist, farm to table, people naturalist, farm to table, people naturalist, farm to table, people conservationists and it was all of these conservationists and it was all of these conservationists and it was all of these people that came together to talk about people that came together to talk about people that came together to talk about what we're talking about right here on what we're talking about right here on what we're talking about right here on IoT Coffee Talk and it's right up the IoT Coffee Talk and it's right up the IoT Coffee Talk and it's right up the road from me and I'm sure there are road from me and I'm sure there are road from me and I'm sure there are other places very much like this and other places very much like this and other places very much like this and they've just they're just taking things they've just they're just taking things they've just they're just taking things They're taking local control and doing They're taking local control and doing They're taking local control and doing things on their own. things on their own. things on their own. >> Yeah, well, you know what? I'll tell you >> Yeah, well, you know what? I'll tell you >> Yeah, well, you know what? I'll tell you why no one why no one why no one got no coverage. There's a company last got no coverage. There's a company last got no coverage. There's a company last week week week IPO'd IPO'd IPO'd >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> uh, which has a mission of populating >> uh, which has a mission of populating >> uh, which has a mission of populating dead planets with humanoid robots. dead planets with humanoid robots. dead planets with humanoid robots. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] >> That is the priority >> That is the priority >> That is the priority of investment. That is the priority of of investment. That is the priority of of investment. That is the priority of governments right now. That is the pri governments right now. That is the pri governments right now. That is the pri So, in other words, So, in other words, So, in other words, the reason why there's no attention to the reason why there's no attention to the reason why there's no attention to any of the things that matter to, any of the things that matter to, any of the things that matter to, um, communities is because um, communities is because um, communities is because everybody wants to create a community in everybody wants to create a community in everybody wants to create a community in space, space, space, um, um, um, with these AI driven with these AI driven with these AI driven humanoid humanoid humanoid >> Just remember, Leonard, in space no one

>> Just remember, Leonard, in space no one >> Just remember, Leonard, in space no one can hear you scream. can hear you scream. can hear you scream. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> one can't hear >> one can't hear >> one can't hear >> you. >> you. >> you. If something bursts out of your chest. If something bursts out of your chest. If something bursts out of your chest. >> Right. Right. I mean, no, it's like >> Right. Right. I mean, no, it's like >> Right. Right. I mean, no, it's like social media. You know, whatever you social media. You know, whatever you social media. You know, whatever you reward ends up being what you get. So, reward ends up being what you get. So, reward ends up being what you get. So, if you know, you reward like [ __ ] stuff, if you know, you reward like [ __ ] stuff, if you know, you reward like [ __ ] stuff, well, you're going to get [ __ ] And so, well, you're going to get [ __ ] And so, well, you're going to get [ __ ] And so, if you are rewarding if you are rewarding if you are rewarding the agenda of populating dead planets, the agenda of populating dead planets, the agenda of populating dead planets, right? Moon is a right? Moon is a right? Moon is a I mean, it's not a planet, but you know, I mean, it's not a planet, but you know, I mean, it's not a planet, but you know, the moon is a moon. the moon is a moon. the moon is a moon. Populate that. Populate that. Populate that. >> What if it's a space station? >> What if it's a space station? >> What if it's a space station? Have you heard some people saying they Have you heard some people saying they Have you heard some people saying they think the moon is hollow and there's think the moon is hollow and there's think the moon is hollow and there's something else inside? something else inside? something else inside? >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you know what? What's so funny now But you know what? What's so funny now But you know what? What's so funny now >> when Obi-Wan first said, "That's no >> when Obi-Wan first said, "That's no >> when Obi-Wan first said, "That's no moon." moon." moon." >> Oh, yeah. I love that. [laughter] >> Oh, yeah. I love that. [laughter] >> Oh, yeah. I love that. [laughter] >> But but my god. >> But but my god. >> But but my god. >> But think about this for a moment >> But think about this for a moment >> But think about this for a moment though, cuz you know, like I I saw this though, cuz you know, like I I saw this though, cuz you know, like I I saw this like little news blurb that the Chinese like little news blurb that the Chinese like little news blurb that the Chinese had launched a rocket and it had had launched a rocket and it had had launched a rocket and it had catastrophically catastrophically catastrophically had a rapid had a rapid had a rapid >> disassembly Disassembly.

>> disassembly Disassembly. >> disassembly Disassembly. >> in >> in >> in the exact orbit of where Starlink's the exact orbit of where Starlink's the exact orbit of where Starlink's stuff is circulating. So, they have stuff is circulating. So, they have stuff is circulating. So, they have about 150 pieces now going It's just about 150 pieces now going It's just about 150 pieces now going It's just like in what's that like in what's that like in what's that the gra- that movie Gravity with the the gra- that movie Gravity with the the gra- that movie Gravity with the robot. robot. robot. >> Right. There's so much space junk. >> Right. There's so much space junk. >> Right. There's so much space junk. >> internet. Yeah. Think about >> internet. Yeah. Think about >> internet. Yeah. Think about >> Don't you mess with our internet. >> Don't you mess with our internet. >> Don't you mess with our internet. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Think about So, the Chinese might not be >> Think about So, the Chinese might not be >> Think about So, the Chinese might not be dumb. It's like, "Oh, okay. You're going dumb. It's like, "Oh, okay. You're going dumb. It's like, "Oh, okay. You're going to put up a a million data centers and to put up a a million data centers and to put up a a million data centers and all this stuff? Hey, guess what? Why all this stuff? Hey, guess what? Why all this stuff? Hey, guess what? Why don't we just sprinkle a couple of star don't we just sprinkle a couple of star don't we just sprinkle a couple of star cascading catastrophic cascading catastrophic cascading catastrophic >> Yeah. Speaking of data centers in space. >> Yeah. Speaking of data centers in space. >> Yeah. Speaking of data centers in space. >> You don't need [ __ ] All you have to do >> You don't need [ __ ] All you have to do >> You don't need [ __ ] All you have to do is is is >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> And so, >> And so, >> And so, >> I've always I've always >> I've always I've always >> I've always I've always I've always been this advocate in I've always been this advocate in I've always been this advocate in writing about data centers in the ocean writing about data centers in the ocean writing about data centers in the ocean instead of space cuz it's already cold instead of space cuz it's already cold instead of space cuz it's already cold and it's cheaper and it's like right and it's cheaper and it's like right and it's cheaper and it's like right next door. And I saw some news like a next door. And I saw some news like a next door. And I saw some news like a couple days ago, Peter Thiel is couple days ago, Peter Thiel is couple days ago, Peter Thiel is investing in some and I I saw a picture investing in some and I I saw a picture investing in some and I I saw a picture of it. It wasn't going to be under the of it. It wasn't going to be under the of it. It wasn't going to be under the ocean, but it was going to float on the ocean, but it was going to float on the ocean, but it was going to float on the ocean. And it looked like this big ocean. And it looked like this big ocean. And it looked like this big bubble thing and it was floating on the bubble thing and it was floating on the bubble thing and it was floating on the ocean. Same stuff I wrote about it was ocean. Same stuff I wrote about it was ocean. Same stuff I wrote about it was going to use wave energy.

going to use wave energy. going to use wave energy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The internet most of the internet is at >> The internet most of the internet is at >> The internet most of the internet is at the ocean floor, actually. the ocean floor, actually. the ocean floor, actually. And so a lot of the same concepts except And so a lot of the same concepts except And so a lot of the same concepts except not putting it underwater. It was had so not putting it underwater. It was had so not putting it underwater. It was had so I thought that was interesting. And I thought that was interesting. And I thought that was interesting. And there was some short video of it. I there was some short video of it. I there was some short video of it. I don't know how don't know how don't know how >> to be very hot. >> to be very hot. >> to be very hot. >> Yeah, could be. You know, I don't know >> Yeah, could be. You know, I don't know >> Yeah, could be. You know, I don't know if they're going to circulate ocean if they're going to circulate ocean if they're going to circulate ocean water through it or something. I don't water through it or something. I don't water through it or something. I don't know. know. know. But I thought that was interesting. So But I thought that was interesting. So But I thought that was interesting. So one other interesting thing today one other interesting thing today one other interesting thing today in the in American history, about 50 in the in American history, about 50 in the in American history, about 50 miles about 50 miles from where I live miles about 50 miles from where I live miles about 50 miles from where I live in Galveston, Texas back in 1865, in Galveston, Texas back in 1865, in Galveston, Texas back in 1865, these people finally arrived in these people finally arrived in these people finally arrived in Galveston like a couple years too late Galveston like a couple years too late Galveston like a couple years too late to proclaim that the slaves have been to proclaim that the slaves have been to proclaim that the slaves have been freed. freed. freed. You know, that Abraham Lincoln's, you You know, that Abraham Lincoln's, you You know, that Abraham Lincoln's, you know, Emancipation Proclamation. know, Emancipation Proclamation. know, Emancipation Proclamation. I guess cuz they didn't have the I guess cuz they didn't have the I guess cuz they didn't have the internet back then or something, you internet back then or something, you internet back then or something, you know, they couldn't get the message know, they couldn't get the message know, they couldn't get the message >> No one texted them, Rob. >> No one texted them, Rob. >> No one texted them, Rob. >> No one No one texted them to say, "Hey, >> No one No one texted them to say, "Hey, >> No one No one texted them to say, "Hey, by the way, by the way, by the way, >> You're free. >> You're free. >> You're free. >> free these guys." And so >> free these guys." And so >> free these guys." And so >> They had a telegraph.

>> They had a telegraph. >> They had a telegraph. >> Yeah, yeah, >> Yeah, yeah, >> Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I'm sure there's some other I'm sure I'm sure there's some other I'm sure I'm sure there's some other interesting is interesting is interesting is I'm sure there's some insidious thing I'm sure there's some insidious thing I'm sure there's some insidious thing where people said, "Oh no, we didn't get where people said, "Oh no, we didn't get where people said, "Oh no, we didn't get the message. the message. the message. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Um we got a lot of cotton to pick. So I >> Um we got a lot of cotton to pick. So I >> Um we got a lot of cotton to pick. So I didn't get that message." Yeah, I I I I didn't get that message." Yeah, I I I I didn't get that message." Yeah, I I I I totally get that. And so and I know like totally get that. And so and I know like totally get that. And so and I know like at a few about 20 40 minutes from now in at a few about 20 40 minutes from now in at a few about 20 40 minutes from now in Galveston, they do a reenactment every Galveston, they do a reenactment every Galveston, they do a reenactment every year at at the place where they showed year at at the place where they showed year at at the place where they showed up and everything. There's a chapel and up and everything. There's a chapel and up and everything. There's a chapel and so they have some guy who's dressed up so they have some guy who's dressed up so they have some guy who's dressed up like the general who showed up and reads like the general who showed up and reads like the general who showed up and reads this proclamation and this proclamation and this proclamation and Yeah, it's a big deal. And it's always Yeah, it's a big deal. And it's always Yeah, it's a big deal. And it's always been a deal in Texas, but it's only been a deal in Texas, but it's only been a deal in Texas, but it's only recently in the last few years become a recently in the last few years become a recently in the last few years become a national holiday for Juneteenth. And so, national holiday for Juneteenth. And so, national holiday for Juneteenth. And so, it's it's interesting. I don't know what it's it's interesting. I don't know what it's it's interesting. I don't know what caused it to finally bubble up where the caused it to finally bubble up where the caused it to finally bubble up where the rest of the country found out about this rest of the country found out about this rest of the country found out about this local thing that we knew about. But, local thing that we knew about. But, local thing that we knew about. But, yeah. yeah. yeah. It's uh It's uh It's uh >> I was looking at I was looking at >> I was looking at I was looking at >> I was looking at I was looking at historical pictures this morning. historical pictures this morning. historical pictures this morning. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They were showing pictures of where they >> They were showing pictures of where they >> They were showing pictures of where they were celebrating in Texas and all the were celebrating in Texas and all the were celebrating in Texas and all the flowers that they like adorned their flowers that they like adorned their flowers that they like adorned their carriage with to celebrate. Like, it was carriage with to celebrate. Like, it was carriage with to celebrate. Like, it was it was pretty cool. Um yeah, and on it was pretty cool. Um yeah, and on it was pretty cool. Um yeah, and on Instagram you can look at some of the Instagram you can look at some of the Instagram you can look at some of the older pictures, but it's pretty cool to older pictures, but it's pretty cool to older pictures, but it's pretty cool to look at look at our Texas history that look at look at our Texas history that look at look at our Texas history that that's that's that's uh it's a federal holiday today.

uh it's a federal holiday today. uh it's a federal holiday today. >> That's right. That's right. Yeah. >> That's right. That's right. Yeah. >> That's right. That's right. Yeah. >> I have some I have some bad news for you >> I have some I have some bad news for you >> I have some I have some bad news for you guys. Um guys. Um guys. Um >> Of course of course you do. >> Of course of course you do. >> Of course of course you do. >> Yes, I do. >> Yes, I do. >> Yes, I do. >> Mr. [laughter] Doomsday. >> Mr. [laughter] Doomsday. >> Mr. [laughter] Doomsday. >> the misery factor on our show. >> the misery factor on our show. >> the misery factor on our show. >> Mr. Doomsday. >> Mr. Doomsday. >> Mr. Doomsday. >> Uh no, no. This is like, you know, >> Uh no, no. This is like, you know, >> Uh no, no. This is like, you know, sometimes facts suck. I mean, you know, sometimes facts suck. I mean, you know, sometimes facts suck. I mean, you know, sometimes sometimes sometimes Right? Sometimes sad facts suck. Right? Sometimes sad facts suck. Right? Sometimes sad facts suck. >> Go ahead. Though, you were talking about >> Go ahead. Though, you were talking about >> Go ahead. Though, you were talking about how they didn't have the internet. Well, how they didn't have the internet. Well, how they didn't have the internet. Well, the telegraph was invented in 1830. the telegraph was invented in 1830. the telegraph was invented in 1830. By the way, by the British. By the way, by the British. By the way, by the British. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I think British get a really bad rap. By >> I think British get a really bad rap. By >> I think British get a really bad rap. By the way, um ARM, British company, the way, um ARM, British company, the way, um ARM, British company, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> chips, pretty much powering a lot of >> chips, pretty much powering a lot of >> chips, pretty much powering a lot of stuff out there. stuff out there. stuff out there. Uh anyway, um so, Uh anyway, um so, Uh anyway, um so, uh yeah, it's was widely used about the uh yeah, it's was widely used about the uh yeah, it's was widely used about the time that uh the the Emancipation time that uh the the Emancipation time that uh the the Emancipation Proclamation was made. So, Proclamation was made. So, Proclamation was made. So, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> somebody >> somebody >> somebody was cutting lines or something like was cutting lines or something like was cutting lines or something like that. Emancipation Proclamation, 1863.

that. Emancipation Proclamation, 1863. that. Emancipation Proclamation, 1863. So, basically 20 years after the So, basically 20 years after the So, basically 20 years after the first deployment or use of telegraph. first deployment or use of telegraph. first deployment or use of telegraph. >> So, Leonard, are you saying that maybe >> So, Leonard, are you saying that maybe >> So, Leonard, are you saying that maybe the message did make it to Texas on the message did make it to Texas on the message did make it to Texas on time, but it was ignored it was ignored. time, but it was ignored it was ignored. time, but it was ignored it was ignored. It was hacked. It was hacked. It was hacked. >> It was hacked. It was hacked. >> It was hacked. It was hacked. >> It was hacked. It was hacked. >> Maybe someone cut the cut the wire the >> Maybe someone cut the cut the wire the >> Maybe someone cut the cut the wire the telegraph. telegraph. telegraph. >> They they saw that message and they're >> They they saw that message and they're >> They they saw that message and they're like like like wow. wow. wow. >> Yeah, I don't like that one. >> Yeah, I don't like that one. >> Yeah, I don't like that one. >> And then Morse code a lot of people >> And then Morse code a lot of people >> And then Morse code a lot of people didn't know Morse code. didn't know Morse code. didn't know Morse code. >> Remember that's how we beat the aliens >> Remember that's how we beat the aliens >> Remember that's how we beat the aliens was Morse code. was Morse code. was Morse code. Remember? Remember? Remember? >> Rob knows that because he's a Navy man. >> Rob knows that because he's a Navy man. >> Rob knows that because he's a Navy man. He's got to know it. He's got to know it. He's got to know it. >> He got to know that remember in >> He got to know that remember in >> He got to know that remember in Independence Day? Independence Day? Independence Day? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But that's how we used we used Morse >> But that's how we used we used Morse >> But that's how we used we used Morse code over telegraph around the world to code over telegraph around the world to code over telegraph around the world to to save the planet. to save the planet. to save the planet. >> So this >> So this >> So this So this weekend is the big San Diego So this weekend is the big San Diego So this weekend is the big San Diego NASCAR event. Um NASCAR event. Um NASCAR event. Um >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I'm like I'm I'm excited about >> Yeah, I'm like I'm I'm excited about >> Yeah, I'm like I'm I'm excited about well my my I think you guys might have well my my I think you guys might have well my my I think you guys might have seen my post but my son is just a seen my post but my son is just a seen my post but my son is just a ridiculously avid NASCAR fan. And he's ridiculously avid NASCAR fan. And he's ridiculously avid NASCAR fan. And he's like, "Mom, how come you didn't how come like, "Mom, how come you didn't how come like, "Mom, how come you didn't how come you did not connect with Qualcomm you did not connect with Qualcomm you did not connect with Qualcomm and get us tickets to this event?" I was and get us tickets to this event?" I was and get us tickets to this event?" I was like, "I don't have that kind of pull like, "I don't have that kind of pull like, "I don't have that kind of pull but man, it's kind of a cool event but man, it's kind of a cool event but man, it's kind of a cool event taking over that taking over that taking over that >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> restrict restricted airspace with all >> restrict restricted airspace with all >> restrict restricted airspace with all the people and the people and the people and >> Where Where is it at? Where in San Diego >> Where Where is it at? Where in San Diego >> Where Where is it at? Where in San Diego do they do that? do they do that? do they do that? >> It's at the Navy base. >> It's at the Navy base. >> It's at the Navy base. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> At Miramar? >> At Miramar? >> At Miramar? >> No, no. At North Island. >> No, no. At North Island. >> No, no. At North Island. >> North Island? Oh, it's on North Island? >> North Island? Oh, it's on North Island? >> North Island? Oh, it's on North Island? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They built a track on North Island? >> They built a track on North Island? >> They built a track on North Island? Big enough for a Big enough for a Big enough for a >> You got to >> You got to >> You got to look up on Instagram NASCAR San Diego look up on Instagram NASCAR San Diego look up on Instagram NASCAR San Diego and you'll see all the stuff on it. It's and you'll see all the stuff on it. It's and you'll see all the stuff on it. It's crazy. crazy. crazy. >> Wow. A plane is a gigantic circle. >> Wow. A plane is a gigantic circle. >> Wow. A plane is a gigantic circle. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Maybe an oval. >> Maybe an oval. >> Maybe an oval. >> So they they built it specially for for >> So they they built it specially for for >> So they they built it specially for for the NASCAR San Diego or the NASCAR San Diego or the NASCAR San Diego or or they they built it existed? or they they built it existed? or they they built it existed? >> Yeah, this is a special a special event >> Yeah, this is a special a special event >> Yeah, this is a special a special event that they've never had before. So they that they've never had before. So they that they've never had before. So they had to like create everything from had to like create everything from had to like create everything from scratch. scratch. scratch. >> And I'm sure what everybody's wondering >> And I'm sure what everybody's wondering >> And I'm sure what everybody's wondering is if Ricky Bobby and Cal Naughton Jr. is if Ricky Bobby and Cal Naughton Jr. is if Ricky Bobby and Cal Naughton Jr. are going to be there, you know? Shake are going to be there, you know? Shake are going to be there, you know? Shake and Bake. and Bake. and Bake. >> SHAKE AND BAKE. >> SHAKE AND BAKE. >> SHAKE AND BAKE. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> YOU'RE EITHER FIRST OR LAST. YEAH. >> YOU'RE EITHER FIRST OR LAST. YEAH. >> YOU'RE EITHER FIRST OR LAST. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. >> YOU KNOW WHAT? Lately lately I've been >> YOU KNOW WHAT? Lately lately I've been >> YOU KNOW WHAT? Lately lately I've been using that uh reverse Ricky Bobby quite using that uh reverse Ricky Bobby quite using that uh reverse Ricky Bobby quite a bit at uh a bit at uh a bit at uh >> Reverse Ricky Bobby. If you're first, >> Reverse Ricky Bobby. If you're first, >> Reverse Ricky Bobby. If you're first, you're last. You're last. Exactly. I you're last. You're last. Exactly. I you're last. You're last. Exactly. I love that. I love that. I changed my love that. I love that. I changed my love that. I love that. I changed my name to El Diablo so and the magic man.

name to El Diablo so and the magic man. name to El Diablo so and the magic man. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I LOVE THAT. MAN, I LOVE THAT MOVIE. IT >> I LOVE THAT. MAN, I LOVE THAT MOVIE. IT >> I LOVE THAT. MAN, I LOVE THAT MOVIE. IT is so awesome. And is so awesome. And is so awesome. And >> Jean Jean Girard, Ricky Bobby, you taste >> Jean Jean Girard, Ricky Bobby, you taste >> Jean Jean Girard, Ricky Bobby, you taste of America. of America. of America. >> [laughter] >> But let me change the topic. I was >> But let me change the topic. I was reading the latest Wired uh magazine reading the latest Wired uh magazine reading the latest Wired uh magazine from July August. from July August. from July August. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And they are talking about uh yeah, >> And they are talking about uh yeah, >> And they are talking about uh yeah, maybe you already talked about these but maybe you already talked about these but maybe you already talked about these but a lot uh a lot uh a lot uh arms the latest chip. arms the latest chip. arms the latest chip. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So what do you think about arms making a >> So what do you think about arms making a >> So what do you think about arms making a real chip instead of designing them? real chip instead of designing them? real chip instead of designing them? >> That's No, they didn't ask for that. >> That's No, they didn't ask for that. >> That's No, they didn't ask for that. >> really designed them to begin with. They >> really designed them to begin with. They >> really designed them to begin with. They only they only designed chips. only they only designed chips. only they only designed chips. No, they didn't design No, they didn't design No, they didn't design chips. chips. chips. >> That's their whole business is designing >> That's their whole business is designing >> That's their whole business is designing chips. chips. chips. They didn't make them but they designed They didn't make them but they designed They didn't make them but they designed them. them. them. >> They designed cores. >> They designed cores. >> They designed cores. IP and then they moved toward uh having IP and then they moved toward uh having IP and then they moved toward uh having um what do you call it? These blueprints um what do you call it? These blueprints um what do you call it? These blueprints for creating let's say IoT stuff or for creating let's say IoT stuff or for creating let's say IoT stuff or smartphone stuff.

smartphone stuff. smartphone stuff. >> Here's the blueprint to make an arm >> Here's the blueprint to make an arm >> Here's the blueprint to make an arm chip. chip. chip. Buy a fab. Buy a fab. Buy a fab. >> They didn't They But you have chip >> They didn't They But you have chip >> They didn't They But you have chip designers like Apple and Qualcomm. designers like Apple and Qualcomm. designers like Apple and Qualcomm. They're the ones that actually design They're the ones that actually design They're the ones that actually design the chip and then those get taped. the chip and then those get taped. the chip and then those get taped. >> Okay. From the blueprint from arm. >> Okay. From the blueprint from arm. >> Okay. From the blueprint from arm. >> Yeah, the blueprint. >> Yeah, the blueprint. >> Yeah, the blueprint. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But you know, you can buy like you know, >> But you know, you can buy like you know, >> But you know, you can buy like you know, um you know, a wide range of um CPU um you know, a wide range of um CPU um you know, a wide range of um CPU cores. You could uh yeah. So CPU GPU cores. You could uh yeah. So CPU GPU cores. You could uh yeah. So CPU GPU like IPU blah blah blah, and stitch them like IPU blah blah blah, and stitch them like IPU blah blah blah, and stitch them all together, and all together, and all together, and >> So, I think it's a great idea for ARM to >> So, I think it's a great idea for ARM to >> So, I think it's a great idea for ARM to do that. do that. do that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because >> Because >> Because what they were doing was what they were doing was what they were doing was great, and they gave this amazing great, and they gave this amazing great, and they gave this amazing technology to the whole world. technology to the whole world. technology to the whole world. Um but I'm sure people were sitting Um but I'm sure people were sitting Um but I'm sure people were sitting around in a conference room saying, around in a conference room saying, around in a conference room saying, "Huh, how can we increase our TAM for "Huh, how can we increase our TAM for "Huh, how can we increase our TAM for our business? Oh, I know. What if we our business? Oh, I know. What if we our business? Oh, I know. What if we actually made the chips actually made the chips actually made the chips >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> ourselves that we're creating these >> ourselves that we're creating these >> ourselves that we're creating these blueprints for? blueprints for? blueprints for? Let's give it a try." And um you know, Let's give it a try." And um you know, Let's give it a try." And um you know, so more power to them. And I'm sure so more power to them. And I'm sure so more power to them. And I'm sure that, you know, that, you know, that, you know, >> uh what about Apple?

>> uh what about Apple? >> uh what about Apple? >> I'm sure the licensees will not be >> I'm sure the licensees will not be >> I'm sure the licensees will not be happy. happy. happy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The doubt. >> The doubt. >> The doubt. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I mean yeah, it's and it is it's a >> Yeah, I mean yeah, it's and it is it's a >> Yeah, I mean yeah, it's and it is it's a CPU, right? It's that AGI CPU, right? It's that AGI CPU, right? It's that AGI uh CPU for data center, and uh CPU for data center, and uh CPU for data center, and like when I I mean like when I I mean like when I I mean I I was at uh ARM anywhere, and I was I I I was at uh ARM anywhere, and I was I I I was at uh ARM anywhere, and I was I I talked to Renee, and I jokingly said, I talked to Renee, and I jokingly said, I talked to Renee, and I jokingly said, "So, is this an application Are we "So, is this an application Are we "So, is this an application Are we entering the age of the entering the age of the entering the age of the application-specific application-specific application-specific CPU?" And he started laughing, and I CPU?" And he started laughing, and I CPU?" And he started laughing, and I told him, "Dude, I think we coined a new told him, "Dude, I think we coined a new told him, "Dude, I think we coined a new term." term." term." >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> But that's that's like >> But that's that's like >> But that's that's like it it it you know, it's pretty much it it it you know, it's pretty much it it it you know, it's pretty much um you know, application-specific for AI um you know, application-specific for AI um you know, application-specific for AI hyper scale inference, right? So, a lot hyper scale inference, right? So, a lot hyper scale inference, right? So, a lot of the Sigintic stuff. And it's being of the Sigintic stuff. And it's being of the Sigintic stuff. And it's being driven by Meta at the moment, because driven by Meta at the moment, because driven by Meta at the moment, because they have huge inference workloads that they have huge inference workloads that they have huge inference workloads that they they need to drive you know, they they need to drive you know, they they need to drive you know, optimization through. And then, these optimization through. And then, these optimization through. And then, these systems are heterogeneous. It's they're systems are heterogeneous. It's they're systems are heterogeneous. It's they're not all accelerator-based, right? So, um not all accelerator-based, right? So, um not all accelerator-based, right? So, um and and and yeah, you know, yeah, you know, yeah, you know, it it it's an open space. I think it's it it it's an open space. I think it's it it it's an open space. I think it's more of a threat for more of a threat for more of a threat for AMD and Intel than anyone else.

AMD and Intel than anyone else. AMD and Intel than anyone else. Um you know, Um you know, Um you know, uh Nvidia has a captive uh Nvidia has a captive uh Nvidia has a captive it has their own captive market of it has their own captive market of it has their own captive market of themselves and they're to you know hyper themselves and they're to you know hyper themselves and they're to you know hyper scalers they're selling mostly scalers they're selling mostly scalers they're selling mostly networking. networking. networking. That's the growing business for them. That's the growing business for them. That's the growing business for them. Neo clouds that's just all about you Neo clouds that's just all about you Neo clouds that's just all about you know GPUs and blah blah blah so they're know GPUs and blah blah blah so they're know GPUs and blah blah blah so they're going full stack there. going full stack there. going full stack there. >> And Nvidia has their blue things are >> And Nvidia has their blue things are >> And Nvidia has their blue things are changing. Nvidia has their blue changing. Nvidia has their blue changing. Nvidia has their blue I feel like I really kind of hated 2026 I feel like I really kind of hated 2026 I feel like I really kind of hated 2026 because everyone came out with their because everyone came out with their because everyone came out with their blueprints blueprints blueprints frameworks like everyone it was just frameworks like everyone it was just frameworks like everyone it was just like what are you talking about? What is like what are you talking about? What is like what are you talking about? What is this for? What are you doing with this this for? What are you doing with this this for? What are you doing with this and it's it's this massive write-up of and it's it's this massive write-up of and it's it's this massive write-up of how to do something or the way they're how to do something or the way they're how to do something or the way they're going to do something, right? going to do something, right? going to do something, right? Um but the other thing that came out Um but the other thing that came out Um but the other thing that came out recently was Cristiano Amon said that recently was Cristiano Amon said that recently was Cristiano Amon said that we are not going to see these app stores we are not going to see these app stores we are not going to see these app stores anymore that AI agents are going to take anymore that AI agents are going to take anymore that AI agents are going to take over over over the app stores or the apps the software the app stores or the apps the software the app stores or the apps the software apps. So I thought that was kind of like apps. So I thought that was kind of like apps. So I thought that was kind of like what do you guys think about that?

what do you guys think about that? what do you guys think about that? >> Woo. We've been hearing something about >> Woo. We've been hearing something about >> Woo. We've been hearing something about that that the future was all these that that the future was all these that that the future was all these agents and you won't need software and agents and you won't need software and agents and you won't need software and and all this enterprise software is all and all this enterprise software is all and all this enterprise software is all threatened now because threatened now because threatened now because oh anybody can just spin up Claude code oh anybody can just spin up Claude code oh anybody can just spin up Claude code and build an ERP system to replace SAP. and build an ERP system to replace SAP. and build an ERP system to replace SAP. So they may not be right. So they may not be right. So they may not be right. >> it's scary to me. It's like no >> it's scary to me. It's like no >> it's scary to me. It's like no guardrails. Let's just go. guardrails. Let's just go. guardrails. Let's just go. Um like you know I I had that Um like you know I I had that Um like you know I I had that conversation with the cable executives conversation with the cable executives conversation with the cable executives this week and that was one of the you this week and that was one of the you this week and that was one of the you know one of the conversations is is know one of the conversations is is know one of the conversations is is like how AI is just embedded into like how AI is just embedded into like how AI is just embedded into everything that we're using or you know everything that we're using or you know everything that we're using or you know using in the workforce and that we're using in the workforce and that we're using in the workforce and that we're not even going to be calling it AI it's not even going to be calling it AI it's not even going to be calling it AI it's just it's just inherent it's just there just it's just inherent it's just there just it's just inherent it's just there and it's doing all of these things and it's doing all of these things and it's doing all of these things and even the the work the average worker and even the the work the average worker and even the the work the average worker may not even be aware of what's working may not even be aware of what's working may not even be aware of what's working in the background or what this means or in the background or what this means or in the background or what this means or if the data the data that it's ingested if the data the data that it's ingested if the data the data that it's ingested is is is accurate, high quality, it is it their accurate, high quality, it is it their accurate, high quality, it is it their own data, you know, so own data, you know, so own data, you know, so I think that the the enterprise side, I think that the the enterprise side, I think that the the enterprise side, you know, businesses, the business you know, businesses, the business you know, businesses, the business leaders are really trying to get their leaders are really trying to get their leaders are really trying to get their arms around arms around arms around what does this mean for my business, my what does this mean for my business, my what does this mean for my business, my operations, how are my customers using operations, how are my customers using operations, how are my customers using it? And then oh my gosh, my workforce it? And then oh my gosh, my workforce it? And then oh my gosh, my workforce has been using it way like for for has been using it way like for for has been using it way like for for they've been using it with or without my they've been using it with or without my they've been using it with or without my approval already.

approval already. approval already. So So So >> Well, so here this is what I'll tell you >> Well, so here this is what I'll tell you >> Well, so here this is what I'll tell you right now. Um right now. Um right now. Um when you look at agents, everyone thinks when you look at agents, everyone thinks when you look at agents, everyone thinks that the agent is that the agent is that the agent is an AI. The reality is is you have an AI. The reality is is you have an AI. The reality is is you have this whole harness wrapper, all of it is this whole harness wrapper, all of it is this whole harness wrapper, all of it is code. And so if you look at what Apple's code. And so if you look at what Apple's code. And so if you look at what Apple's doing, if you paid attention at WWDC doing, if you paid attention at WWDC doing, if you paid attention at WWDC WWDC WWDC WWDC 2026 and didn't just watch the keynote 2026 and didn't just watch the keynote 2026 and didn't just watch the keynote and think that [ __ ] is boring. and think that [ __ ] is boring. and think that [ __ ] is boring. Which it was. It was I mean it was funny Which it was. It was I mean it was funny Which it was. It was I mean it was funny but if you watch that, you completely but if you watch that, you completely but if you watch that, you completely missed out on what they were missed out on what they were missed out on what they were presenting. They they had some really presenting. They they had some really presenting. They they had some really cool stuff in the developer sessions. I cool stuff in the developer sessions. I cool stuff in the developer sessions. I don't know if they do this [ __ ] on don't know if they do this [ __ ] on don't know if they do this [ __ ] on purpose, purpose, purpose, but the cool stuff is never in the but the cool stuff is never in the but the cool stuff is never in the keynote. And one of the things that you keynote. And one of the things that you keynote. And one of the things that you notice about what they're doing is notice about what they're doing is notice about what they're doing is they're making the OS, iOS, macOS, they're making the OS, iOS, macOS, they're making the OS, iOS, macOS, they're making that the Uber they're making that the Uber they're making that the Uber harness. harness. harness. And that's what a lot of the OEMs are And that's what a lot of the OEMs are And that's what a lot of the OEMs are trying to do. So whether it's Lenovo or trying to do. So whether it's Lenovo or trying to do. So whether it's Lenovo or Samsung, they're kind of in a position Samsung, they're kind of in a position Samsung, they're kind of in a position of doing that and same with Google.

of doing that and same with Google. of doing that and same with Google. A lot more than I would say Microsoft A lot more than I would say Microsoft A lot more than I would say Microsoft because the PC space is like really because the PC space is like really because the PC space is like really goofy and weird, so fragmented, it's goofy and weird, so fragmented, it's goofy and weird, so fragmented, it's really difficult to do that. But you're really difficult to do that. But you're really difficult to do that. But you're going to have code, you're going to have going to have code, you're going to have going to have code, you're going to have apps, and the more you look at what apps, and the more you look at what apps, and the more you look at what you're dealing with with agents, It it you're dealing with with agents, It it you're dealing with with agents, It it ends up being code, more code, and you ends up being code, more code, and you ends up being code, more code, and you want deterministic outcomes. You're want deterministic outcomes. You're want deterministic outcomes. You're moving away from MCP, you're going to moving away from MCP, you're going to moving away from MCP, you're going to direct interfaces, well-defined, direct interfaces, well-defined, direct interfaces, well-defined, standardized interfaces. There's nothing standardized interfaces. There's nothing standardized interfaces. There's nothing wrong with that stuff. wrong with that stuff. wrong with that stuff. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, Leonard, you don't have the >> You know, Leonard, you don't have the >> You know, Leonard, you don't have the semantic layer that uses everything. semantic layer that uses everything. semantic layer that uses everything. >> This week was the first time I met with >> This week was the first time I met with >> This week was the first time I met with a vendor that was pitching to me a vendor that was pitching to me a vendor that was pitching to me AI agents. AI agents. AI agents. Um you know, literally full-time Um you know, literally full-time Um you know, literally full-time employees, FTE AI agents, right? employees, FTE AI agents, right? employees, FTE AI agents, right? >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> And in showcasing me their capabilities >> And in showcasing me their capabilities >> And in showcasing me their capabilities and how they could work for me, for and how they could work for me, for and how they could work for me, for Compass Intelligence and for VMark. Compass Intelligence and for VMark. Compass Intelligence and for VMark. And And And like like like it's not I'm not surprised by like what it's not I'm not surprised by like what it's not I'm not surprised by like what they showed me and what they demoed and they showed me and what they demoed and they showed me and what they demoed and all of that.

all of that. all of that. And I think Mark would agree with your And I think Mark would agree with your And I think Mark would agree with your statement about like the fun part and statement about like the fun part and statement about like the fun part and the most interesting stuff is the the most interesting stuff is the the most interesting stuff is the the actual developers, the people that the actual developers, the people that the actual developers, the people that are making things. But, uh you know, I are making things. But, uh you know, I are making things. But, uh you know, I got my hands on that and was looking at got my hands on that and was looking at got my hands on that and was looking at all the possibilities and of course my all the possibilities and of course my all the possibilities and of course my mind goes mind goes mind goes gets up at that real real real high gets up at that real real real high gets up at that real real real high level and I start to look at at what's level and I start to look at at what's level and I start to look at at what's possible. possible. possible. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um but also I have that distrust out >> Um but also I have that distrust out >> Um but also I have that distrust out there, you know, I'm like, "Where are there, you know, I'm like, "Where are there, you know, I'm like, "Where are you pulling this you pulling this you pulling this data? Where is the source? data? Where is the source? data? Where is the source? You know, and and you know, all of that You know, and and you know, all of that You know, and and you know, all of that scares me because I'm like I can't go scares me because I'm like I can't go scares me because I'm like I can't go run with something like this. run with something like this. run with something like this. >> Because you know, >> Because you know, >> Because you know, most people don't know any of that most people don't know any of that most people don't know any of that stuff. And so they stuff. And so they stuff. And so they they're not concerned. And that's one of they're not concerned. And that's one of they're not concerned. And that's one of the reasons why like enterprise AI is so the reasons why like enterprise AI is so the reasons why like enterprise AI is so so slow being so slowly adopted is so slow being so slowly adopted is so slow being so slowly adopted is because seriously, like when I was at because seriously, like when I was at because seriously, like when I was at Cisco Live you talk to this you know, Cisco Live you talk to this you know, Cisco Live you talk to this you know, people are just don't know. They're just people are just don't know. They're just people are just don't know. They're just finding out now. And you know, when finding out now. And you know, when finding out now. And you know, when we're at Nebius we're at Nebius we're at Nebius um you know, inflection and there's all um you know, inflection and there's all um you know, inflection and there's all this talk about you know, this talk about you know, this talk about you know, now trying to make vector databases for now trying to make vector databases for now trying to make vector databases for enterprise.

enterprise. enterprise. They haven't solved the problem for 3 They haven't solved the problem for 3 They haven't solved the problem for 3 years ago. years ago. years ago. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> How do they make them secure? >> How do they make them secure? >> How do they make them secure? >> Yeah, and then it's like >> Yeah, and then it's like >> Yeah, and then it's like hey, you know, hey, you know, hey, you know, pine cone. You know what? None of those pine cone. You know what? None of those pine cone. You know what? None of those guys It's a technology that can't do guys It's a technology that can't do guys It's a technology that can't do what these guys think that it can do. what these guys think that it can do. what these guys think that it can do. And And And nobody has solved the problem largely nobody has solved the problem largely nobody has solved the problem largely because no the recognition of the because no the recognition of the because no the recognition of the problem is not problem is not problem is not broad. And so people are now 3 years broad. And so people are now 3 years broad. And so people are now 3 years behind on understanding security for AI. behind on understanding security for AI. behind on understanding security for AI. Isn't that Isn't that Isn't that >> Leonard, you said It is amazing. You >> Leonard, you said It is amazing. You >> Leonard, you said It is amazing. You said something important said something important said something important >> You said something important a few >> You said something important a few >> You said something important a few minutes ago, Leonard, when you're just minutes ago, Leonard, when you're just minutes ago, Leonard, when you're just talking about agents or code, you know, talking about agents or code, you know, talking about agents or code, you know, and people not realizing that. Um and people not realizing that. Um and people not realizing that. Um I I remember when I finally discovered I I remember when I finally discovered I I remember when I finally discovered that agents were code, that agents were code, that agents were code, it was like it was like it was like there I was in this hallway, there I was in this hallway, there I was in this hallway, and the Agent Smith and these guys were and the Agent Smith and these guys were and the Agent Smith and these guys were down there, and they started and they down there, and they started and they down there, and they started and they started they started shooting me, started they started shooting me, started they started shooting me, whatever, and I whatever, and I whatever, and I >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> and it and they killed me, >> and it and they killed me, >> and it and they killed me, and then I came back to life, and then and then I came back to life, and then and then I came back to life, and then all of a sudden I'm looking at the all of a sudden I'm looking at the all of a sudden I'm looking at the agents, and it was like ones and zeros agents, and it was like ones and zeros agents, and it was like ones and zeros and and and and then they shot me again, and I and then they shot me again, and I and then they shot me again, and I stopped the bullets and everything, and stopped the bullets and everything, and stopped the bullets and everything, and that's when I realized that I am the that's when I realized that I am the that's when I realized that I am the one, one, one, and I'm Neo, [clears throat] and I'm Neo, [clears throat] and I'm Neo, [clears throat] and that the agents are code.

and that the agents are code. and that the agents are code. >> Cuz you can manipulate the harness. You >> Cuz you can manipulate the harness. You >> Cuz you can manipulate the harness. You can manipulate the code. can manipulate the code. can manipulate the code. >> Exactly. And so it it changed it changed >> Exactly. And so it it changed it changed >> Exactly. And so it it changed it changed my life forever. And so it's been kind my life forever. And so it's been kind my life forever. And so it's been kind of cool. of cool. of cool. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> We love our movie. >> We love our movie. >> We love our movie. >> So scary. So accurate. You know what I'm >> So scary. So accurate. You know what I'm >> So scary. So accurate. You know what I'm saying? It's not saying? It's not saying? It's not >> Well, you know, I I can say that some of >> Well, you know, I I can say that some of >> Well, you know, I I can say that some of some of the most successful some of the most successful some of the most successful I would say uh uses of AI that is I would say uh uses of AI that is I would say uh uses of AI that is happening in the enterprise is where happening in the enterprise is where happening in the enterprise is where they're ingesting their own proprietary they're ingesting their own proprietary they're ingesting their own proprietary data, their own corporate data. All of data, their own corporate data. All of data, their own corporate data. All of the things that they keep very private the things that they keep very private the things that they keep very private in their own in-house, you know, whether in their own in-house, you know, whether in their own in-house, you know, whether that's for training, simulation, that's for training, simulation, that's for training, simulation, um summarizing, educating. um summarizing, educating. um summarizing, educating. Like that part I think is a given. If Like that part I think is a given. If Like that part I think is a given. If you're not doing that already, like you you're not doing that already, like you you're not doing that already, like you are already you're pretty far behind. are already you're pretty far behind. are already you're pretty far behind. But it's But it's But it's >> Oh, you sound like an analyst. >> Oh, you sound like an analyst. >> Oh, you sound like an analyst. If you're not doing this, you're If you're not doing this, you're If you're not doing this, you're >> Oh my god, do I sound like chat I just >> Oh my god, do I sound like chat I just >> Oh my god, do I sound like chat I just don't want to sound like chat GPT, don't want to sound like chat GPT, don't want to sound like chat GPT, please. please. please. >> I think reverse Rick Astley. >> I think reverse Rick Astley. >> I think reverse Rick Astley. >> You know what, right. You know what, >> You know what, right. You know what, >> You know what, right. You know what, right.

right. right. >> [laughter] >> That should be like the new thing how >> That should be like the new thing how you end all like the you know, the you end all like the you know, the you end all like the you know, the reports research you're writing. reports research you're writing. reports research you're writing. >> It's an analyst. >> It's an analyst. >> It's an analyst. >> You're first or last. >> You're first or last. >> You're first or last. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> What was that? What was that? Who's who >> What was that? What was that? Who's who >> What was that? What was that? Who's who who shared that graphic on the Gartner who shared that graphic on the Gartner who shared that graphic on the Gartner hype cycle? Yeah, Mark. Yeah, Mark. >> You did, Mark. Yeah, that picture. That >> You did, Mark. Yeah, that picture. That >> You did, Mark. Yeah, that picture. That was cool at the Gartner. was cool at the Gartner. was cool at the Gartner. >> I was like I know that that was AI >> I was like I know that that was AI >> I was like I know that that was AI generated that picture. generated that picture. generated that picture. >> It was beautiful. I loved it. That was >> It was beautiful. I loved it. That was >> It was beautiful. I loved it. That was good stuff, man. good stuff, man. good stuff, man. >> AI >> AI >> AI >> You know what? I was thinking about >> You know what? I was thinking about >> You know what? I was thinking about that. that. that. Our private IoT coffee talk chat Our private IoT coffee talk chat Our private IoT coffee talk chat that we have on LinkedIn, that we have on LinkedIn, that we have on LinkedIn, it's it's very valuable. it's it's very valuable. it's it's very valuable. We can sell it. It is a book. We can sell it. It is a book. We can sell it. It is a book. >> good stuff. There's some good stuff in >> good stuff. There's some good stuff in >> good stuff. There's some good stuff in there. there. there. >> We can ingest that into an AI tool. >> We can ingest that into an AI tool. >> We can ingest that into an AI tool. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I love it. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> We're already like passively >> We're already like passively >> We're already like passively hallucinating.

hallucinating. hallucinating. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You're right. >> You're right. >> You're right. >> I love that with AI hallucination. >> I love that with AI hallucination. >> I love that with AI hallucination. >> But >> But >> But >> get an X rating on the um >> get an X rating on the um >> get an X rating on the um >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> on the outset, but that's okay. >> on the outset, but that's okay. >> on the outset, but that's okay. >> Could be. >> Could be. >> Could be. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah, but >> Yeah, but >> Yeah, but um hey, um um hey, um um hey, um oh, it's great to have you guys on oh, it's great to have you guys on oh, it's great to have you guys on board. You know, like Mark, we don't see board. You know, like Mark, we don't see board. You know, like Mark, we don't see you that often, so good to see you. It's you that often, so good to see you. It's you that often, so good to see you. It's awesome to see you, awesome to see you, awesome to see you, Stephanie. Stephanie. Stephanie. >> in What was inside? What was in the cup? >> in What was inside? What was in the cup? >> in What was inside? What was in the cup? What was inside? What was inside? What was inside? >> It was >> It was >> It was >> Time to go. >> Time to go. >> Time to go. >> You finished your coffee. Okay. >> You finished your coffee. Okay. >> You finished your coffee. Okay. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Hey, thanks everyone for tuning in. >> Hey, thanks everyone for tuning in. >> Hey, thanks everyone for tuning in. Remember, there's more to life than Remember, there's more to life than Remember, there's more to life than populating dead planets with humanoid populating dead planets with humanoid populating dead planets with humanoid robotics powered by AI. robotics powered by AI. robotics powered by AI. Much more important things. And so, Much more important things. And so, Much more important things. And so, that's why at IoT Coffee Talk we put that's why at IoT Coffee Talk we put that's why at IoT Coffee Talk we put communities first. And so, we have a communities first. And so, we have a communities first. And so, we have a charity called Elevate our Communities. charity called Elevate our Communities. charity called Elevate our Communities. And we have to give a shout-out and And we have to give a shout-out and And we have to give a shout-out and massive massive massive you know, one of these things, K-pop you know, one of these things, K-pop you know, one of these things, K-pop love symbols. love symbols. love symbols. >> K-pop love.

>> K-pop love. >> K-pop love. >> to Stephanie. >> to Stephanie. >> to Stephanie. Uh y'all don't know how much Uh y'all don't know how much Uh y'all don't know how much she has done she has done she has done um for Elevate our Kids, um for Elevate our Kids, um for Elevate our Kids, uh Elevate Communities. And we're going uh Elevate Communities. And we're going uh Elevate Communities. And we're going to make it real because Rob is to make it real because Rob is to make it real because Rob is writing a book about saving the planet, writing a book about saving the planet, writing a book about saving the planet, which most of you don't give a crap which most of you don't give a crap which most of you don't give a crap about. But, guess what? about. But, guess what? about. But, guess what? >> Might not be a best seller. >> Might not be a best seller. >> Might not be a best seller. >> Yeah. And you >> Yeah. And you >> Yeah. And you you better care about the planet if you you better care about the planet if you you better care about the planet if you care about yourself, your family. I care about yourself, your family. I care about yourself, your family. I mean, it's just going to happen. mean, it's just going to happen. mean, it's just going to happen. Remember, Remember, Remember, the next big career path for everyone is the next big career path for everyone is the next big career path for everyone is going to be a conservationist, not a going to be a conservationist, not a going to be a conservationist, not a creative creative creative >> Are we all Have we all become Are Is >> Are we all Have we all become Are Is >> Are we all Have we all become Are Is that what we are on IoT Coffee Talk? Are that what we are on IoT Coffee Talk? Are that what we are on IoT Coffee Talk? Are we all conservationists? we all conservationists? we all conservationists? >> Yes, because we're we we're about IoT. >> Yes, because we're we we're about IoT. >> Yes, because we're we we're about IoT. It's all about visibility, It's all about visibility, It's all about visibility, observability. That means you're aware observability. That means you're aware observability. That means you're aware of stuff. And then when you're aware of of stuff. And then when you're aware of of stuff. And then when you're aware of stuff, stuff, stuff, yeah. Then you see stuff. People who yeah. Then you see stuff. People who yeah. Then you see stuff. People who don't see stuff don't freak out about don't see stuff don't freak out about don't see stuff don't freak out about stuff that's coming at right? stuff that's coming at right? stuff that's coming at right? >> That's right.

>> That's right. >> That's right. >> They can't see the asteroid that's going >> They can't see the asteroid that's going >> They can't see the asteroid that's going to kill off the dinosaurs, which are the to kill off the dinosaurs, which are the to kill off the dinosaurs, which are the last remaining dinosaurs are the birds, last remaining dinosaurs are the birds, last remaining dinosaurs are the birds, okay? So, there are still okay? So, there are still okay? So, there are still there is another asteroid that can take there is another asteroid that can take there is another asteroid that can take out out out >> That's what we all learned in Jurassic >> That's what we all learned in Jurassic >> That's what we all learned in Jurassic Park. They became birds. Park. They became birds. Park. They became birds. >> They became birds. [laughter] >> They became birds. [laughter] >> They became birds. [laughter] >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> If you don't know that's coming, guess >> If you don't know that's coming, guess >> If you don't know that's coming, guess what? what? what? >> Boom. >> Boom. >> Boom. There it is. There it is. There it is. >> Yeah. You can't go and launch yourself >> Yeah. You can't go and launch yourself >> Yeah. You can't go and launch yourself to a dead planet and try to populate it to a dead planet and try to populate it to a dead planet and try to populate it with your AI with your AI with your AI enhanced humanoid robotic friends. So, enhanced humanoid robotic friends. So, enhanced humanoid robotic friends. So, remember to follow us here remember to follow us here remember to follow us here at IoT Coffee Talk. Like, share. at IoT Coffee Talk. Like, share. at IoT Coffee Talk. Like, share. >> Ring that bell. >> Ring that bell. >> Ring that bell. >> You know, yeah, ring that bell and we >> You know, yeah, ring that bell and we >> You know, yeah, ring that bell and we will see you next week like we see you will see you next week like we see you will see you next week like we see you every week. And thank you all. every week. And thank you all. every week. And thank you all. >> I see you. >> I see you. >> I see you. >> Take care. >> Take care. >> Take care. >> I see you. >> I see you. >> I see you. >> Love the planet. >> Love the planet. >> Love the planet. >> Love the planet. >> Love the planet. >> Love the planet. >> [music]