IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 267 - Creepy Assistant (How to use GenAI chatbots the right way!)

happy happy [Music] [Music] [Music] to you to you to you until we made it again. until we made it again. until we made it again. Happy trails Happy trails Happy trails to you. to you. to you. And don't know the words that come after And don't know the words that come after And don't know the words that come after that. that. that. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, we did it. We did it. Yeah. So, hey we did it. We did it. Yeah. So, hey we did it. We did it. Yeah. So, hey everyone. Welcome to IOT Coffee Talk. I everyone. Welcome to IOT Coffee Talk. I everyone. Welcome to IOT Coffee Talk. I didn't have to play guitar. Welcome to didn't have to play guitar. Welcome to didn't have to play guitar. Welcome to the Van Halen channel. Yeah, the Van the Van Halen channel. Yeah, the Van the Van Halen channel. Yeah, the Van Halen playlist. It does feel that way a Halen playlist. It does feel that way a Halen playlist. It does feel that way a lot of times, doesn't it? You know. lot of times, doesn't it? You know. lot of times, doesn't it? You know. Yeah, it does. It does. In fact, I was Yeah, it does. It does. In fact, I was Yeah, it does. It does. In fact, I was going to play a Van Halen tune, but you going to play a Van Halen tune, but you going to play a Van Halen tune, but you know, did that that is a Van Halen tune. know, did that that is a Van Halen tune. know, did that that is a Van Halen tune. That is a Van Halen tune. And we did it That is a Van Halen tune. And we did it That is a Van Halen tune. And we did it and it's now we have the Happy Trails and it's now we have the Happy Trails and it's now we have the Happy Trails episode. Yes, Happy Trails. And I'm episode. Yes, Happy Trails. And I'm episode. Yes, Happy Trails. And I'm wearing a new cowboy hat I got in Las wearing a new cowboy hat I got in Las wearing a new cowboy hat I got in Las Vegas. Oh, that's awesome. That's Vegas. Oh, that's awesome. That's Vegas. Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome.

awesome. awesome. It turns out there's that a hat place in It turns out there's that a hat place in It turns out there's that a hat place in the Venetian there in the canal shops. the Venetian there in the canal shops. the Venetian there in the canal shops. Oh, there's there's several. There's one Oh, there's there's several. There's one Oh, there's there's several. There's one in the the season forum as well. I in the the season forum as well. I in the the season forum as well. I bought my first test on there. Oh, bought my first test on there. Oh, bought my first test on there. Oh, that's cool. And there's a reason for that's cool. And there's a reason for that's cool. And there's a reason for that, right? There's a reason for that. that, right? There's a reason for that. that, right? There's a reason for that. Why are you buying a hat? And by the Why are you buying a hat? And by the Why are you buying a hat? And by the way, this this this particular shop is way, this this this particular shop is way, this this this particular shop is really don't remember the name, but I really don't remember the name, but I really don't remember the name, but I know where. This particular shop is know where. This particular shop is know where. This particular shop is really cool because you you can go back really cool because you you can go back really cool because you you can go back with your hat, they will repress it, with your hat, they will repress it, with your hat, they will repress it, they will clean it, and that's all for they will clean it, and that's all for they will clean it, and that's all for free. I love that. Yeah, it's really free. I love that. Yeah, it's really free. I love that. Yeah, it's really really nice. I love that. Oh my gosh. really nice. I love that. Oh my gosh. really nice. I love that. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Who would ever know? And I thought Yeah. Who would ever know? And I thought Yeah. Who would ever know? And I thought you just threw hats away after you got you just threw hats away after you got you just threw hats away after you got like dirty and Yeah. You know, the thing like dirty and Yeah. You know, the thing like dirty and Yeah. You know, the thing is that the statson I wear sometimes is that the statson I wear sometimes is that the statson I wear sometimes I need to get it adjusted or it's just a I need to get it adjusted or it's just a I need to get it adjusted or it's just a little too tight. I can't wear it much little too tight. I can't wear it much little too tight. I can't wear it much longer than 30 minutes before I start longer than 30 minutes before I start longer than 30 minutes before I start getting a headache. And so, uh, it's getting a headache. And so, uh, it's getting a headache. And so, uh, it's getting bigger. Is that No, I just think getting bigger. Is that No, I just think getting bigger. Is that No, I just think I never got the right size. I never got the right size. I never got the right size. He's he's trying to tell us that his He's he's trying to tell us that his He's he's trying to tell us that his brain is getting bigger as LM goes brain is getting bigger as LM goes brain is getting bigger as LM goes bigger as well. Exactly. While everyone bigger as well. Exactly. While everyone bigger as well. Exactly. While everyone else's brains are getting smaller from else's brains are getting smaller from else's brains are getting smaller from AI too much. Yeah. Yeah. You definitely AI too much. Yeah. Yeah. You definitely AI too much. Yeah. Yeah. You definitely need a digital twin therapist. Rather, I need a digital twin therapist. Rather, I need a digital twin therapist. Rather, I think I do. I think you're so right. We think I do. I think you're so right. We think I do. I think you're so right. We all do. We all need that. I got real all do. We all need that. I got real all do. We all need that. I got real problems. Oh, man. Yeah. So, yeah. Um, problems. Oh, man. Yeah. So, yeah. Um, problems. Oh, man. Yeah. So, yeah. Um, hey everyone. Uh, welcome to the show.

hey everyone. Uh, welcome to the show. hey everyone. Uh, welcome to the show. Uh, hope you enjoyed our little intro Uh, hope you enjoyed our little intro Uh, hope you enjoyed our little intro segment of really horrific karaoke. segment of really horrific karaoke. segment of really horrific karaoke. Yeah. Um, that's where we break the ice. Yeah. Um, that's where we break the ice. Yeah. Um, that's where we break the ice. We break the ice with a little Diamond We break the ice with a little Diamond We break the ice with a little Diamond Dave. Yeah. Happy Trails, you know. Dave. Yeah. Happy Trails, you know. Dave. Yeah. Happy Trails, you know. Yeah. And from a great album, Diver Yeah. And from a great album, Diver Yeah. And from a great album, Diver Down. Yes. Underrated. All albums are Down. Yes. Underrated. All albums are Down. Yes. Underrated. All albums are underrated. Diver Down was real. They underrated. Diver Down was real. They underrated. Diver Down was real. They had a lot of good hits on it, you know. had a lot of good hits on it, you know. had a lot of good hits on it, you know. Um, but you're right. There was some Um, but you're right. There was some Um, but you're right. There was some there was there was one or two albums there was there was one or two albums there was there was one or two albums kind of in there before they like they kind of in there before they like they kind of in there before they like they had awesome hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit hit and then they I hit hit hit hit hit and then they I hit hit hit hit hit and then they I don't know what women and children first don't know what women and children first don't know what women and children first or there was a couple that were like or there was a couple that were like or there was a couple that were like didn't have much they all didn't have much they all didn't have much they all Yeah. I mean they weren't as mainstream Yeah. I mean they weren't as mainstream Yeah. I mean they weren't as mainstream as people would have liked them to be. as people would have liked them to be. as people would have liked them to be. Yeah. Uh, but when you when you think Yeah. Uh, but when you when you think Yeah. Uh, but when you when you think back, back, back, what they were playing was much more what they were playing was much more what they were playing was much more mature than what actually came out as mature than what actually came out as mature than what actually came out as derivatives of what they were, right? derivatives of what they were, right? derivatives of what they were, right? Because I mean, obviously Eddie Van Because I mean, obviously Eddie Van Because I mean, obviously Eddie Van Halen was tremendously Hey, how's it Halen was tremendously Hey, how's it Halen was tremendously Hey, how's it going, Mark? Hey, how are you? You going, Mark? Hey, how are you? You going, Mark? Hey, how are you? You missed out on the worst karaoke just missed out on the worst karaoke just missed out on the worst karaoke just now. It was really, really bad. But, um, now. It was really, really bad. But, um, now. It was really, really bad. But, um, happy trails. Was not the worst I've happy trails. Was not the worst I've happy trails. Was not the worst I've heard. It's not the worst. We're pretty heard. It's not the worst. We're pretty heard. It's not the worst. We're pretty bad usually. Yeah, it's pretty bad. You bad usually. Yeah, it's pretty bad. You bad usually. Yeah, it's pretty bad. You know, I love um one of my favorite parts know, I love um one of my favorite parts know, I love um one of my favorite parts of a Van Halen song. I don't know why it of a Van Halen song. I don't know why it of a Van Halen song. I don't know why it stuck in my memory. You know, the song stuck in my memory. You know, the song stuck in my memory. You know, the song Unchained. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, Dave.

Unchained. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, Dave. Unchained. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, Dave. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break. One break coming up. Yeah. So, hey, you know, before we hit the So, hey, you know, before we hit the record button, um, Demetri, you're record button, um, Demetri, you're record button, um, Demetri, you're talking about some chat GPT or chat talking about some chat GPT or chat talking about some chat GPT or chat whatever generative AI genre generator. whatever generative AI genre generator. whatever generative AI genre generator. Is that what you called it? No. Well, Is that what you called it? No. Well, Is that what you called it? No. Well, it's not a genre generator, but Rob was it's not a genre generator, but Rob was it's not a genre generator, but Rob was mentioning, you know, building a mentioning, you know, building a mentioning, you know, building a playlist. Yeah. saying that you know if playlist. Yeah. saying that you know if playlist. Yeah. saying that you know if you go with well actually probably all you go with well actually probably all you go with well actually probably all of these LLMs not the LGBT and you say of these LLMs not the LGBT and you say of these LLMs not the LGBT and you say you I would like to play to do a you I would like to play to do a you I would like to play to do a playlist with you know this kind of playlist with you know this kind of playlist with you know this kind of period this type of music type or period this type of music type or period this type of music type or general this kind of mood and by the way general this kind of mood and by the way general this kind of mood and by the way inject something totally awkward in the inject something totally awkward in the inject something totally awkward in the middle and you know change the rhythm it middle and you know change the rhythm it middle and you know change the rhythm it does a great job great job from my does a great job great job from my does a great job great job from my experience yeah I've heard some things experience yeah I've heard some things experience yeah I've heard some things that are pretty cool but you know as you that are pretty cool but you know as you that are pretty cool but you know as you were explaining that I realized were explaining that I realized were explaining that I realized something one of the reasons why we love something one of the reasons why we love something one of the reasons why we love music by artists and it is because we music by artists and it is because we music by artists and it is because we remember them and you know particular remember them and you know particular remember them and you know particular songs right not just like a mish mash of songs right not just like a mish mash of songs right not just like a mish mash of genai generated spew um I'm talking genai generated spew um I'm talking genai generated spew um I'm talking about music having these imprints in about music having these imprints in about music having these imprints in your life and that's what over time your life and that's what over time your life and that's what over time becomes precious to everyone right and becomes precious to everyone right and becomes precious to everyone right and so my wife always tells me why do you so my wife always tells me why do you so my wife always tells me why do you listen to the same music all the time listen to the same music all the time listen to the same music all the time it's like because it means a to me, you it's like because it means a to me, you it's like because it means a to me, you know, it reminds me of certain points in know, it reminds me of certain points in know, it reminds me of certain points in my life. And when you This is the the

my life. And when you This is the the my life. And when you This is the the problem with generative AI. It problem with generative AI. It problem with generative AI. It completely robs you of any attention and completely robs you of any attention and completely robs you of any attention and meaning. And so, like, and I've seen a meaning. And so, like, and I've seen a meaning. And so, like, and I've seen a lot of these things on YouTube, too, and lot of these things on YouTube, too, and lot of these things on YouTube, too, and I've listened to a few of them, and I I've listened to a few of them, and I I've listened to a few of them, and I always thumbs down them so that they always thumbs down them so that they always thumbs down them so that they don't get promoted. But the thing is, don't get promoted. But the thing is, don't get promoted. But the thing is, they it some of it's like really creepy, they it some of it's like really creepy, they it some of it's like really creepy, but yeah, they're cool. They're cool. but yeah, they're cool. They're cool. but yeah, they're cool. They're cool. Hang on a second. Hang on a second. Hang on a second. Hang on a second. Hang on a second. Hang on a second. Leona on a second. It's always the same Leona on a second. It's always the same Leona on a second. It's always the same thing. It's all about the prompt. If you thing. It's all about the prompt. If you thing. It's all about the prompt. If you spend enough time putting what you spend enough time putting what you spend enough time putting what you express in the prompt, you'll be express in the prompt, you'll be express in the prompt, you'll be surprised. That that was the experience. surprised. That that was the experience. surprised. That that was the experience. It's not I agree with you. The the It's not I agree with you. The the It's not I agree with you. The the automatic generated one like you you log automatic generated one like you you log automatic generated one like you you log into whatever I have a title I have into whatever I have a title I have into whatever I have a title I have title uh streaming service and you Yeah. title uh streaming service and you Yeah. title uh streaming service and you Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The blast. Press record, man. Press The blast. Press record, man. Press The blast. Press record, man. Press record. Just have to start things off with that. Just have to start things off with that. What is that? Oh my god, you guys. Can I What is that? Oh my god, you guys. Can I What is that? Oh my god, you guys. Can I get the jet device?

get the jet device? get the jet device? I have a I have a key. I have a I have a key. I have a I have a key. Yes. Yes. Yes. I have a staff that has magic powers. Oh I have a staff that has magic powers. Oh I have a staff that has magic powers. Oh my god. I know. You're like a freaking my god. I know. You're like a freaking my god. I know. You're like a freaking cowboy wizard. This is This is the This cowboy wizard. This is This is the This cowboy wizard. This is This is the This is the underworlder here, you know, from is the underworlder here, you know, from is the underworlder here, you know, from my submarine warriors. I I went years my submarine warriors. I I went years my submarine warriors. I I went years ago. We went to some uh auction event ago. We went to some uh auction event ago. We went to some uh auction event and it was this you had to dress up like and it was this you had to dress up like and it was this you had to dress up like steampunk, you know? That's cool. And steampunk, you know? That's cool. And steampunk, you know? That's cool. And somehow this random thing, it's like a somehow this random thing, it's like a somehow this random thing, it's like a cane or something but with this weirdo cane or something but with this weirdo cane or something but with this weirdo on top. And I was like, it makes me on top. And I was like, it makes me on top. And I was like, it makes me think of the underworlder creatures I think of the underworlder creatures I think of the underworlder creatures I created in the novel. And so I had to created in the novel. And so I had to created in the novel. And so I had to get it. And so as we're un as we're get it. And so as we're un as we're get it. And so as we're un as we're packing the house and you're going packing the house and you're going packing the house and you're going through and you're discovering things through and you're discovering things through and you're discovering things and this just popped up yesterday. And and this just popped up yesterday. And and this just popped up yesterday. And so say hello. Hello. Where are you so say hello. Hello. Where are you so say hello. Hello. Where are you moving, Rob? moving, Rob? moving, Rob? Well, we're we're moving to Texas. Well, we're we're moving to Texas. Well, we're we're moving to Texas. Hello. Is that Is that a unique piece, Hello. Is that Is that a unique piece, Hello. Is that Is that a unique piece, Rob, or is it I don't know. It seems Rob, or is it I don't know. It seems Rob, or is it I don't know. It seems unique. Mad Max, actually. I like it. I unique. Mad Max, actually. I like it. I unique. Mad Max, actually. I like it. I would I would love one. It's kind of would I would love one. It's kind of would I would love one. It's kind of cool looking. It It It's could be Mad cool looking. It It It's could be Mad cool looking. It It It's could be Mad Max, but it also looks like it could be Max, but it also looks like it could be Max, but it also looks like it could be a deep sea diver a deep sea diver a deep sea diver freak. Yeah. I don't know, you know.

freak. Yeah. I don't know, you know. freak. Yeah. I don't know, you know. Yeah, I can only imagine. Yeah, I can Yeah, I can only imagine. Yeah, I can Yeah, I can only imagine. Yeah, I can what your wife was saying when telling what your wife was saying when telling what your wife was saying when telling you or how she reacted when you went, you or how she reacted when you went, you or how she reacted when you went, "Hey, that's really cool. I'm going to "Hey, that's really cool. I'm going to "Hey, that's really cool. I'm going to buy it." She was just like, right? Oh my gosh. No, it's good. It's right? Oh my gosh. No, it's good. It's good to have your own underwelder and good to have your own underwelder and good to have your own underwelder and you know, like and as I've shown you you know, like and as I've shown you you know, like and as I've shown you before, you know, we've discovered, you before, you know, we've discovered, you before, you know, we've discovered, you know, new energy sources deep under the know, new energy sources deep under the know, new energy sources deep under the ocean. So, there's that, folks. Oh my god. So you Okay, going back to Oh my god. So you Okay, going back to Dimmitri. So you're saying if you know Dimmitri. So you're saying if you know Dimmitri. So you're saying if you know how to prompt it, which most people are how to prompt it, which most people are how to prompt it, which most people are going to be lazy about doing and a lot going to be lazy about doing and a lot going to be lazy about doing and a lot of people oftenimes don't know what they of people oftenimes don't know what they of people oftenimes don't know what they want want want and what would really trigger something, and what would really trigger something, and what would really trigger something, right? But go ahead. What what what was right? But go ahead. What what what was right? But go ahead. What what what was your point? Oh, the point is if you your point? Oh, the point is if you your point? Oh, the point is if you print it right, you can actually, you print it right, you can actually, you print it right, you can actually, you know, express, oh yeah, remind me it know, express, oh yeah, remind me it know, express, oh yeah, remind me it remind me this period of my life and I remind me this period of my life and I remind me this period of my life and I like it for this reason and can you find like it for this reason and can you find like it for this reason and can you find something like this and so you'll be something like this and so you'll be something like this and so you'll be surprised because you and you can surprised because you and you can surprised because you and you can interact obviously so you can refine the interact obviously so you can refine the interact obviously so you can refine the model. So I I mean I played an hour and model. So I I mean I played an hour and model. So I I mean I played an hour and a half with that one night late uh a half with that one night late uh a half with that one night late uh because I was preparing something for a because I was preparing something for a because I was preparing something for a friend and I was very very impressed by friend and I was very very impressed by friend and I was very very impressed by the thing is always the same because I the thing is always the same because I the thing is always the same because I think what people don't understand and think what people don't understand and think what people don't understand and I'm really actually upset about that I'm really actually upset about that I'm really actually upset about that people believe that oh with these things people believe that oh with these things people believe that oh with these things I'm just going to say quick and dirty I'm just going to say quick and dirty I'm just going to say quick and dirty and it's going to do the job for me. No, and it's going to do the job for me. No, and it's going to do the job for me. No, don't use it this way. This is where you don't use it this way. This is where you don't use it this way. This is where you get stupid things in hallucination. use

get stupid things in hallucination. use get stupid things in hallucination. use it as an assistant that you know what he it as an assistant that you know what he it as an assistant that you know what he can do and you ask him oh do this okay can do and you ask him oh do this okay can do and you ask him oh do this okay and then you add your old ideas and and then you add your old ideas and and then you add your old ideas and refine this and so kind of dialogue I refine this and so kind of dialogue I refine this and so kind of dialogue I find that using as a dialogue is very find that using as a dialogue is very find that using as a dialogue is very effective I think I told you that the effective I think I told you that the effective I think I told you that the way I I do writings when I want to do a way I I do writings when I want to do a way I I do writings when I want to do a blog post is I don't ask the LM to write blog post is I don't ask the LM to write blog post is I don't ask the LM to write me a post I said hey I have this idea or me a post I said hey I have this idea or me a post I said hey I have this idea or this concept and I spend a lot of time this concept and I spend a lot of time this concept and I spend a lot of time writing a paragraph and I said first writing a paragraph and I said first writing a paragraph and I said first give me an outline on how to communicate give me an outline on how to communicate give me an outline on how to communicate and I said to which audience and once I and I said to which audience and once I and I said to which audience and once I get this outline, I fill in the outline get this outline, I fill in the outline get this outline, I fill in the outline quickly and I resubmit say, "Hey, here quickly and I resubmit say, "Hey, here quickly and I resubmit say, "Hey, here is my my blog post. Clean it for is my my blog post. Clean it for is my my blog post. Clean it for language or finding consistency." So, if language or finding consistency." So, if language or finding consistency." So, if you do this interactive work with it, I you do this interactive work with it, I you do this interactive work with it, I find it extremely effective. Yeah. No, I find it extremely effective. Yeah. No, I find it extremely effective. Yeah. No, I I I think that's a good use of it. But, I I think that's a good use of it. But, I I think that's a good use of it. But, um I'm just always cautious about it um I'm just always cautious about it um I'm just always cautious about it feeding my personal graph feeding my personal graph feeding my personal graph to sell to someone else. So I'm and I to sell to someone else. So I'm and I to sell to someone else. So I'm and I and I agree there are few things I use and I agree there are few things I use and I agree there are few things I use local private and whatever you might local private and whatever you might local private and whatever you might consider semi secure or I'm very very consider semi secure or I'm very very consider semi secure or I'm very very measured in what I use these tools for.

measured in what I use these tools for. measured in what I use these tools for. Yeah, I totally agree. And most of Yeah, I totally agree. And most of Yeah, I totally agree. And most of serious problem. What people don't serious problem. What people don't serious problem. What people don't realize is these guys are creating a realize is these guys are creating a realize is these guys are creating a graph, a knowledge graph about you and graph, a knowledge graph about you and graph, a knowledge graph about you and they talk like that. You sound like some they talk like that. You sound like some they talk like that. You sound like some tech bro. The average person watching tech bro. The average person watching tech bro. The average person watching this show when they say, "Yeah, I love this show when they say, "Yeah, I love this show when they say, "Yeah, I love how it feeds my graph and like how it feeds my graph and like how it feeds my graph and like that." You know what? Are you from that." You know what? Are you from that." You know what? Are you from another planet or something? You know, another planet or something? You know, another planet or something? You know, apparently. Yeah. like a typo. I think a apparently. Yeah. like a typo. I think a apparently. Yeah. like a typo. I think a lot of average folks watch the show, lot of average folks watch the show, lot of average folks watch the show, Rob. Yeah. Yeah. Rob. Yeah. Yeah. Rob. Yeah. Yeah. Those crypto bros. Yeah, crypto bros. Those crypto bros. Yeah, crypto bros. Those crypto bros. Yeah, crypto bros. No, they ran they've ran away a long No, they ran they've ran away a long No, they ran they've ran away a long time ago. Oh, but it is it. Hey, you'll time ago. Oh, but it is it. Hey, you'll time ago. Oh, but it is it. Hey, you'll be surprised how many people watch the be surprised how many people watch the be surprised how many people watch the show. I when I was at Semicon West, I show. I when I was at Semicon West, I show. I when I was at Semicon West, I mean no uh sensors convert mean no uh sensors convert mean no uh sensors convert as well as um DTW as well as um DTW as well as um DTW people people people lead with Yeah. You play guitar, you lead with Yeah. You play guitar, you lead with Yeah. You play guitar, you hang out with Rob and uh or IoT coffee hang out with Rob and uh or IoT coffee hang out with Rob and uh or IoT coffee talk. It's like weird.

talk. It's like weird. talk. It's like weird. And it obviously it puts me in an And it obviously it puts me in an And it obviously it puts me in an awkward position with them. No, it's awkward position with them. No, it's awkward position with them. No, it's uplifting. Yeah, it's uplifting. And you uplifting. Yeah, it's uplifting. And you uplifting. Yeah, it's uplifting. And you know what? We're all about the music know what? We're all about the music know what? We're all about the music here. And so I was sitting there here. And so I was sitting there here. And so I was sitting there thinking, we were talking about Van thinking, we were talking about Van thinking, we were talking about Van Halen or before here and playlists. And Halen or before here and playlists. And Halen or before here and playlists. And then Demetri is talking about prompts. then Demetri is talking about prompts. then Demetri is talking about prompts. And I just thought of a new song we And I just thought of a new song we And I just thought of a new song we could change. could change. could change. Might as well prompt. What? We just put in the word prompt What? We just put in the word prompt instead of jump. Oh, might as well instead of jump. Oh, might as well instead of jump. Oh, might as well prompt. might as well prompt. That's a prompt. might as well prompt. That's a prompt. might as well prompt. That's a good one. That's a very good one. Yeah, good one. That's a very good one. Yeah, good one. That's a very good one. Yeah, we do. we do. we do. So, so yesterday we had actually with So, so yesterday we had actually with So, so yesterday we had actually with some friends a discussion about uh music some friends a discussion about uh music some friends a discussion about uh music and hallucination and actually popped to and hallucination and actually popped to and hallucination and actually popped to my mind. I don't know if you watch this my mind. I don't know if you watch this my mind. I don't know if you watch this song uh that it's I think George song uh that it's I think George song uh that it's I think George Harrison tribute uh where George Harrison tribute uh where George Harrison tribute uh where George Harrison song is playing. Yeah. And it's Harrison song is playing. Yeah. And it's Harrison song is playing. Yeah. And it's uh Tom Petty, Jeff Line, and Steve uh Tom Petty, Jeff Line, and Steve uh Tom Petty, Jeff Line, and Steve Winboot. Yes. Playing uh while my guitar Winboot. Yes. Playing uh while my guitar Winboot. Yes. Playing uh while my guitar gently whips.

gently whips. gently whips. with Prince with Prince with Prince and they were super pissed off with and they were super pissed off with and they were super pissed off with Prince because Prince didn't want to go Prince because Prince didn't want to go Prince because Prince didn't want to go to the to any session to to practice a to the to any session to to practice a to the to any session to to practice a song with them. Yeah. And and they song with them. Yeah. And and they song with them. Yeah. And and they didn't want actually to play with him. didn't want actually to play with him. didn't want actually to play with him. But actually if you watch the the song But actually if you watch the the song But actually if you watch the the song you see no one part which is perfectly you see no one part which is perfectly you see no one part which is perfectly execute which is what you say know that execute which is what you say know that execute which is what you say know that uh humans can execute perfectly because uh humans can execute perfectly because uh humans can execute perfectly because and machines elucinate and then you see and machines elucinate and then you see and machines elucinate and then you see prince completely hallucinating but prince completely hallucinating but prince completely hallucinating but providing something that actually providing something that actually providing something that actually you could say that improves uh actually you could say that improves uh actually you could say that improves uh actually the perfectly execute but it's the perfectly execute but it's the perfectly execute but it's completely right hallucinated right so completely right hallucinated right so completely right hallucinated right so no you no you no you It's not uncommon for music and It's not uncommon for music and It's not uncommon for music and hallucinations to happen at the same hallucinations to happen at the same hallucinations to happen at the same time. And you can think about your past time. And you can think about your past time. And you can think about your past concerts you've been to. It's very concerts you've been to. It's very concerts you've been to. It's very possible that hallucinations are possible that hallucinations are possible that hallucinations are happening. Depends on depends on the happening. Depends on depends on the happening. Depends on depends on the pill. That guy that guy Jimmy pill. That guy that guy Jimmy pill. That guy that guy Jimmy Exactly. I mean, talk about serious Exactly. I mean, talk about serious Exactly. I mean, talk about serious hallucinations. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you hallucinations. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you hallucinations. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you saw the Grateful Dead when Garcia was saw the Grateful Dead when Garcia was saw the Grateful Dead when Garcia was I'm not talking to to play under tracks, I'm not talking to to play under tracks, I'm not talking to to play under tracks, but uh he is a new use case for geni. We but uh he is a new use case for geni. We but uh he is a new use case for geni. We can use ji to have hallucination without can use ji to have hallucination without can use ji to have hallucination without having to take drugs. It's having to take drugs. It's having to take drugs. It's we use jai to bring back Jerry Garcia.

we use jai to bring back Jerry Garcia. we use jai to bring back Jerry Garcia. Yeah. And insert him just like just like Yeah. And insert him just like just like Yeah. And insert him just like just like how we had holograms of Tupac. I wonder how we had holograms of Tupac. I wonder how we had holograms of Tupac. I wonder if we could insert Jerry Garcia back if we could insert Jerry Garcia back if we could insert Jerry Garcia back into that models that are replicating into that models that are replicating into that models that are replicating playing instruments. Yeah, right. So playing instruments. Yeah, right. So playing instruments. Yeah, right. So having guitar riffs that are very Jerry having guitar riffs that are very Jerry having guitar riffs that are very Jerry like Well, this is the this is the like Well, this is the this is the like Well, this is the this is the foundation of deep fakes. So yeah, we foundation of deep fakes. So yeah, we foundation of deep fakes. So yeah, we can we want today if you have enough can we want today if you have enough can we want today if you have enough coming to Spotify. It's the Jerry Garcia coming to Spotify. It's the Jerry Garcia coming to Spotify. It's the Jerry Garcia like radio. That's right. That's right. like radio. That's right. That's right. like radio. That's right. That's right. No license required. No license required. No license required. Exactly. Sugar magnolia are headed your Exactly. Sugar magnolia are headed your Exactly. Sugar magnolia are headed your way, you know. Oh man. Wow. Talking way, you know. Oh man. Wow. Talking way, you know. Oh man. Wow. Talking about license, there's been a a ruling about license, there's been a a ruling about license, there's been a a ruling this last week, I think, in San this last week, I think, in San this last week, I think, in San Francisco about entropic and access to Francisco about entropic and access to Francisco about entropic and access to uh books, which we've talked about that uh books, which we've talked about that uh books, which we've talked about that on this show and I was always the ones on this show and I was always the ones on this show and I was always the ones that we need to rethink how we think, that we need to rethink how we think, that we need to rethink how we think, you know, digital rights and and you know, digital rights and and you know, digital rights and and copyrights. But what is interesting in copyrights. But what is interesting in copyrights. But what is interesting in the ruling is that the the ruling is the ruling is that the the ruling is the ruling is that the the ruling is that you can actually scan the book that you can actually scan the book that you can actually scan the book assuming you you you have you have assuming you you you have you have assuming you you you have you have actually acquired it with the proper you actually acquired it with the proper you actually acquired it with the proper you know paying licensing and you can so you know paying licensing and you can so you know paying licensing and you can so you can train your model with it but you can train your model with it but you can train your model with it but you cannot store the data which I think make cannot store the data which I think make cannot store the data which I think make real sense. So this is the same thing as real sense. So this is the same thing as real sense. So this is the same thing as you know attending a lecture from a you know attending a lecture from a you know attending a lecture from a professor you learn from his lecture and professor you learn from his lecture and professor you learn from his lecture and you go do something with it. So the you go do something with it. So the you go do something with it. So the professor is not going to follow you professor is not going to follow you professor is not going to follow you back 20 years later and say, "Hey, you back 20 years later and say, "Hey, you back 20 years later and say, "Hey, you make 10 billion with it. You the money."

make 10 billion with it. You the money." make 10 billion with it. You the money." Yeah. I saw a little blurb about that Yeah. I saw a little blurb about that Yeah. I saw a little blurb about that that where the the judge said the ruling that where the the judge said the ruling that where the the judge said the ruling was less on how much they believe that was less on how much they believe that was less on how much they believe that you should be able to do that and more you should be able to do that and more you should be able to do that and more about how weak the arguments were from about how weak the arguments were from about how weak the arguments were from the people who from the copyright people the people who from the copyright people the people who from the copyright people who like he's he thought they did a who like he's he thought they did a who like he's he thought they did a crappy job actually of making their crappy job actually of making their crappy job actually of making their case. Um, let me say Chad GBT maybe case. Um, let me say Chad GBT maybe case. Um, let me say Chad GBT maybe lawyers instead of the Yeah, that's what lawyers instead of the Yeah, that's what lawyers instead of the Yeah, that's what they should have brought. Chad GBT they should have brought. Chad GBT they should have brought. Chad GBT lawyers, you know, they should have lawyers, you know, they should have lawyers, you know, they should have called Stephanie and she'd hook him up called Stephanie and she'd hook him up called Stephanie and she'd hook him up with Chad GBT lawyers. She's got an army with Chad GBT lawyers. She's got an army with Chad GBT lawyers. She's got an army of them, you know. Well, you know, hey of them, you know. Well, you know, hey of them, you know. Well, you know, hey Stephanie, how's it going? Oh my god. Stephanie, how's it going? Oh my god. Stephanie, how's it going? Oh my god. Hi. Happy Friday. Happy Friday. Hi. Happy Friday. Happy Friday. Hi. Happy Friday. Happy Friday. But you know, have a good But you know, have a good But you know, have a good No, no, no. It is a thing that um when No, no, no. It is a thing that um when No, no, no. It is a thing that um when you do have litigation like that and um you do have litigation like that and um you do have litigation like that and um one of the parties is dependent on one of the parties is dependent on one of the parties is dependent on knowledge of the technology, if they knowledge of the technology, if they knowledge of the technology, if they don't have it, they can they can shoot don't have it, they can they can shoot don't have it, they can they can shoot themselves in the foot. It's a it is a themselves in the foot. It's a it is a themselves in the foot. It's a it is a real thing. This isn't science fiction.

real thing. This isn't science fiction. real thing. This isn't science fiction. Um and um yeah and that's why it is Um and um yeah and that's why it is Um and um yeah and that's why it is important for for lawyers to really and important for for lawyers to really and important for for lawyers to really and legal teams to really and regulators to legal teams to really and regulators to legal teams to really and regulators to understand the technology otherwise they understand the technology otherwise they understand the technology otherwise they they go the wrong direction they miss they go the wrong direction they miss they go the wrong direction they miss things and their cases have you know things and their cases have you know things and their cases have you know their arguments have holes in them or or their arguments have holes in them or or their arguments have holes in them or or they're just completely wrong. Right? they're just completely wrong. Right? they're just completely wrong. Right? So, um there is a role for experts that So, um there is a role for experts that So, um there is a role for experts that they should um be mindful of, but there they should um be mindful of, but there they should um be mindful of, but there aren't that many experts out there. aren't that many experts out there. aren't that many experts out there. That's the problem. There's a lot Yeah. That's the problem. There's a lot Yeah. That's the problem. There's a lot Yeah. You find good like patent lawyers or You find good like patent lawyers or You find good like patent lawyers or other I've met people like at Microsoft other I've met people like at Microsoft other I've met people like at Microsoft or Silicon Valley that are exeers also or Silicon Valley that are exeers also or Silicon Valley that are exeers also have a law degree. Yeah. You know, have a law degree. Yeah. You know, have a law degree. Yeah. You know, that's a that's a pretty potent combo that's a that's a pretty potent combo that's a that's a pretty potent combo because if you can really especially because if you can really especially because if you can really especially patent lawyers are a good place. Yeah, patent lawyers are a good place. Yeah, patent lawyers are a good place. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I saw that there's a for sure. Yeah, I saw that there's a for sure. Yeah, I saw that there's a lawsuit against Microsoft for scanning lawsuit against Microsoft for scanning lawsuit against Microsoft for scanning 200,000 200,000 200,000 copyrighted works to train some maybe copyrighted works to train some maybe copyrighted works to train some maybe their own LM called Megatron or their own LM called Megatron or their own LM called Megatron or something like that. I might be missp something like that. I might be missp something like that. I might be missp speakaking but I just read about that speakaking but I just read about that speakaking but I just read about that this morning and so people are going this morning and so people are going this morning and so people are going back and forth on that. You got to be back and forth on that. You got to be back and forth on that. You got to be able to untrain and unlearn your models, able to untrain and unlearn your models, able to untrain and unlearn your models, right? Isn't that like the bad guy in right? Isn't that like the bad guy in right? Isn't that like the bad guy in Transformers? Mega. Yeah. Why would you Transformers? Mega. Yeah. Why would you Transformers? Mega. Yeah. Why would you why don't you, you know, name them why don't you, you know, name them why don't you, you know, name them Optimus Prime or something? Yeah, they Optimus Prime or something? Yeah, they Optimus Prime or something? Yeah, they should have called Optimus Prime.

should have called Optimus Prime. should have called Optimus Prime. I have a good, by the way, I have a good I have a good, by the way, I have a good I have a good, by the way, I have a good use case for Microsoft is evil. use case for Microsoft is evil. use case for Microsoft is evil. So, so I'm actually here in Rome for a So, so I'm actually here in Rome for a So, so I'm actually here in Rome for a few days, which is pretty cool. I've few days, which is pretty cool. I've few days, which is pretty cool. I've been doing some of these tours. You been doing some of these tours. You been doing some of these tours. You know, I saw the the coliseum today and know, I saw the the coliseum today and know, I saw the the coliseum today and you know, you go on a tour and there's you know, you go on a tour and there's you know, you go on a tour and there's the person with the flag and they're come on, we need a selfie of you in a come on, we need a selfie of you in a tour. Yeah. Yeah. No, we need that. But tour. Yeah. Yeah. No, we need that. But tour. Yeah. Yeah. No, we need that. But it was funny because I was thinking it was funny because I was thinking it was funny because I was thinking like, man, this would be a perfect like, man, this would be a perfect like, man, this would be a perfect application for like some AirPods and an application for like some AirPods and an application for like some AirPods and an app and an AI agent that I could ask app and an AI agent that I could ask app and an AI agent that I could ask questions of as it's explaining things questions of as it's explaining things questions of as it's explaining things to me on the tour. to me on the tour. to me on the tour. Usually it's like the the person's maybe Usually it's like the the person's maybe Usually it's like the the person's maybe I know the question answered maybe they I know the question answered maybe they I know the question answered maybe they don't but man that would be I mean I can don't but man that would be I mean I can don't but man that would be I mean I can I certainly somebody's got to be working I certainly somebody's got to be working I certainly somebody's got to be working on this out there in the next few on this out there in the next few on this out there in the next few Absolutely. the the the museum tour Absolutely. the the the museum tour Absolutely. the the the museum tour business. Well they have those they have business. Well they have those they have business. Well they have those they have those in the hiking industry or in all those in the hiking industry or in all those in the hiking industry or in all the national parks where you can the national parks where you can the national parks where you can download the apps where as you're download the apps where as you're download the apps where as you're driving it tells you every factoid about driving it tells you every factoid about driving it tells you every factoid about what you're about to approach. So it's what you're about to approach. So it's what you're about to approach. So it's kind of that same concept. I've seen kind of that same concept. I've seen kind of that same concept. I've seen those talking real time. No, I'm talking those talking real time. No, I'm talking those talking real time. No, I'm talking about like actually talking to it. Like about like actually talking to it. Like about like actually talking to it. Like I ask it questions. You know what? I I ask it questions. You know what? I I ask it questions. You know what? I know what you need to do. I just thought know what you need to do. I just thought know what you need to do. I just thought about it. Think about how in the about it. Think about how in the about it. Think about how in the Superman movies, you know, you insert Superman movies, you know, you insert Superman movies, you know, you insert the key there and Superman all of a the key there and Superman all of a the key there and Superman all of a sudden can talk to his dad, Jorel, or sudden can talk to his dad, Jorel, or sudden can talk to his dad, Jorel, or whatever, remember? And he would appear.

whatever, remember? And he would appear. whatever, remember? And he would appear. And so in your thing in the coliseum, And so in your thing in the coliseum, And so in your thing in the coliseum, like the emperor or somebody will be like the emperor or somebody will be like the emperor or somebody will be there and you're having a conversation there and you're having a conversation there and you're having a conversation as he guides you through the coliseum. as he guides you through the coliseum. as he guides you through the coliseum. Yes. Right. Don't they don't they have Yes. Right. Don't they don't they have Yes. Right. Don't they don't they have like um maybe some of you guys have seen like um maybe some of you guys have seen like um maybe some of you guys have seen them, but don't they have glasses now them, but don't they have glasses now them, but don't they have glasses now that you're wearing and you can talk to that you're wearing and you can talk to that you're wearing and you can talk to the AI? Yeah. the AI? Yeah. the AI? Yeah. You know, see what you're seeing and it You know, see what you're seeing and it You know, see what you're seeing and it could uh do a little, you know, pagentic could uh do a little, you know, pagentic could uh do a little, you know, pagentic AI thing. That's a good use case AI thing. That's a good use case AI thing. That's a good use case actually. Would be good. Yeah, I mean I actually. Would be good. Yeah, I mean I actually. Would be good. Yeah, I mean I I I actually the the tour guide we had I I actually the the tour guide we had I I actually the the tour guide we had today was good. The other the other ones today was good. The other the other ones today was good. The other the other ones like you know they can be not so good. like you know they can be not so good. like you know they can be not so good. So, but I I can imagine it's it's one of So, but I I can imagine it's it's one of So, but I I can imagine it's it's one of those things five or 10 years from now, those things five or 10 years from now, those things five or 10 years from now, maybe just a few years from now, maybe just a few years from now, maybe just a few years from now, someone's going to come out with someone's going to come out with someone's going to come out with something that's and then we make the something that's and then we make the something that's and then we make the dystopian version of that where it dystopian version of that where it dystopian version of that where it really happens like in a horror movie really happens like in a horror movie really happens like in a horror movie like you were saying, you know, should like you were saying, you know, should like you were saying, you know, should we let Pete live in the coliseum? And we let Pete live in the coliseum? And we let Pete live in the coliseum? And he's like Yeah. Or you can have Bruce Lee or Chuck Yeah. Or you can have Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris, you know, op, you know, have an Norris, you know, op, you know, have an Norris, you know, op, you know, have an option for one of those two guys to But option for one of those two guys to But option for one of those two guys to But actually GPD works works really well for actually GPD works works really well for actually GPD works works really well for tourism. I I use it last year and you tourism. I I use it last year and you tourism. I I use it last year and you took a random piece in a museum and take took a random piece in a museum and take took a random piece in a museum and take a picture and say, "What is this?" Yeah.

a picture and say, "What is this?" Yeah. a picture and say, "What is this?" Yeah. And all so without any contact. So it's And all so without any contact. So it's And all so without any contact. So it's all there. It's all there. the package all there. It's all there. the package all there. It's all there. the package and probably the tour companies are not and probably the tour companies are not and probably the tour companies are not interested in disrupting their own interested in disrupting their own interested in disrupting their own business, but someone's going to come business, but someone's going to come business, but someone's going to come along and just Yeah. Yeah. You know, we along and just Yeah. Yeah. You know, we along and just Yeah. Yeah. You know, we were talking about it last week. You were talking about it last week. You were talking about it last week. You know, you don't need chat GPT to do know, you don't need chat GPT to do know, you don't need chat GPT to do that. That was all already there. That's that. That was all already there. That's that. That was all already there. That's like visual search. Um, you know, that like visual search. Um, you know, that like visual search. Um, you know, that circle to search function. Yeah. And it circle to search function. Yeah. And it circle to search function. Yeah. And it has nothing to do with But the but the has nothing to do with But the but the has nothing to do with But the but the interaction though, that's the thing. interaction though, that's the thing. interaction though, that's the thing. You got to ask. I feel like though the You got to ask. I feel like though the You got to ask. I feel like though the last the last I guess 18 months that's last the last I guess 18 months that's last the last I guess 18 months that's probably been the most profound app that probably been the most profound app that probably been the most profound app that I think has been so useful is loading a I think has been so useful is loading a I think has been so useful is loading a picture of something where I'm trying to picture of something where I'm trying to picture of something where I'm trying to shop or look look up information like of shop or look look up information like of shop or look look up information like of course I use it all the time for course I use it all the time for course I use it all the time for shopping. If I see something I'm like shopping. If I see something I'm like shopping. If I see something I'm like I'm going to find it cheaper. Send a I'm going to find it cheaper. Send a I'm going to find it cheaper. Send a picture and then it gives me all the picture and then it gives me all the picture and then it gives me all the places. But I feel like that's been the places. But I feel like that's been the places. But I feel like that's been the the most useful consumer Yeah. the most useful consumer Yeah. the most useful consumer Yeah. is the picture circle to search. I used is the picture circle to search. I used is the picture circle to search. I used it. There was a particular shirt I it. There was a particular shirt I it. There was a particular shirt I bought at Johnson Murphy and they and it bought at Johnson Murphy and they and it bought at Johnson Murphy and they and it turns out, you know, it was 100% cotton turns out, you know, it was 100% cotton turns out, you know, it was 100% cotton and I dried it and so it kind of shrank and I dried it and so it kind of shrank and I dried it and so it kind of shrank and it was like a 2 years old style but and it was like a 2 years old style but and it was like a 2 years old style but I thought it was the coolest looking I thought it was the coolest looking I thought it was the coolest looking shirt ever and I couldn't find it shirt ever and I couldn't find it shirt ever and I couldn't find it anywhere and so I did circle to search anywhere and so I did circle to search anywhere and so I did circle to search on there and it was showing me people on there and it was showing me people on there and it was showing me people like on eBay and places like that like on eBay and places like that like on eBay and places like that selling it and so it was kind of cool.

selling it and so it was kind of cool. selling it and so it was kind of cool. You have to go bid. you have to go bid You have to go bid. you have to go bid You have to go bid. you have to go bid on that shirt now pretty much. I mean on that shirt now pretty much. I mean on that shirt now pretty much. I mean um Amazon props because they had this um Amazon props because they had this um Amazon props because they had this function long time ago, right? Where you I think people are just now getting used I think people are just now getting used to all of that because when I think feel to all of that because when I think feel to all of that because when I think feel like when Google added it, they started like when Google added it, they started like when Google added it, they started looking and noticing that that icon looking and noticing that that icon looking and noticing that that icon means what it means now, right? So from means what it means now, right? So from means what it means now, right? So from a usability perspective, you can go on a usability perspective, you can go on a usability perspective, you can go on to any app and see that icon. You to any app and see that icon. You to any app and see that icon. You actually know what it means. Yeah. Yeah. actually know what it means. Yeah. Yeah. actually know what it means. Yeah. Yeah. And guess what? It's time to get beta 2. And guess what? It's time to get beta 2. And guess what? It's time to get beta 2. of iPad OS. of iPad OS. of iPad OS. Still using an iPad. Seriously going to Still using an iPad. Seriously going to Still using an iPad. Seriously going to do the beta? Oh, wow. I bet I I did it do the beta? Oh, wow. I bet I I did it do the beta? Oh, wow. I bet I I did it like the very next day, the developer like the very next day, the developer like the very next day, the developer beta, cuz I wanted to play with the beta, cuz I wanted to play with the beta, cuz I wanted to play with the overlapping windowing and stuff on the overlapping windowing and stuff on the overlapping windowing and stuff on the iPad. You're doing it right now. It's iPad. You're doing it right now. It's iPad. You're doing it right now. It's the Longhorn UI. That's right. the Longhorn UI. That's right. the Longhorn UI. That's right. Windows 3.11 style or what? Windows 3.11 style or what? Windows 3.11 style or what? Yeah. Yeah. I just need I like the Yeah. Yeah. I just need I like the Yeah. Yeah. I just need I like the overlapping windows. I don't know if I, overlapping windows. I don't know if I, overlapping windows. I don't know if I, you know, I I can't say that I totally you know, I I can't say that I totally you know, I I can't say that I totally like the glass look yet. Arrow glass like the glass look yet. Arrow glass like the glass look yet. Arrow glass because I think we decided, because I think we decided, because I think we decided, you know, at the evil empire that the you know, at the evil empire that the you know, at the evil empire that the glass look wasn't always what we wanted.

glass look wasn't always what we wanted. glass look wasn't always what we wanted. What we really wanted was Metro. Metro. What we really wanted was Metro. Metro. What we really wanted was Metro. Metro. I was going to say the the map subway I was going to say the the map subway I was going to say the the map subway map look of things. Yes, Metro was map look of things. Yes, Metro was map look of things. Yes, Metro was better. Embracing flat. There was a my better. Embracing flat. There was a my better. Embracing flat. There was a my my biggest problem with Metro is a lot my biggest problem with Metro is a lot my biggest problem with Metro is a lot of wasted real estate. of wasted real estate. of wasted real estate. There are a lot of so many blank spaces. There are a lot of so many blank spaces. There are a lot of so many blank spaces. It was like incredible. It was like incredible. It was like incredible. Um no, if it was and then you would have Um no, if it was and then you would have Um no, if it was and then you would have to flip through you would have to flip to flip through you would have to flip to flip through you would have to flip through so many different screens just through so many different screens just through so many different screens just to get to the information that you might to get to the information that you might to get to the information that you might just get in like two screen. Content just get in like two screen. Content just get in like two screen. Content over Chrome. Yeah, over Chrome. Yeah, over Chrome. Yeah, that was one of our things that we live that was one of our things that we live that was one of our things that we live by with Metro over Chrome. That's right. by with Metro over Chrome. That's right. by with Metro over Chrome. That's right. Yeah, there were too many apps that were Yeah, there were too many apps that were Yeah, there were too many apps that were spending all the time putting Chrome and spending all the time putting Chrome and spending all the time putting Chrome and stuff around it and we were just trying stuff around it and we were just trying stuff around it and we were just trying to just say to just say to just say Yeah, everybody was still being Yeah, everybody was still being Yeah, everybody was still being skumorphic. Yeah, totally. remember like skumorphic. Yeah, totally. remember like skumorphic. Yeah, totally. remember like the desktop with actual folders and in the desktop with actual folders and in the desktop with actual folders and in fact didn't wasn't that another deal fact didn't wasn't that another deal fact didn't wasn't that another deal like like uniquely or or genuinely like like uniquely or or genuinely like like uniquely or or genuinely digital or something like that how Metro digital or something like that how Metro digital or something like that how Metro would be. You're right. No more would be. You're right. No more would be. You're right. No more skumorphism, right? Yeah. Yeah. Albert, skumorphism, right? Yeah. Yeah. Albert, skumorphism, right? Yeah. Yeah. Albert, it was definitely that podcast. Um, I it was definitely that podcast. Um, I it was definitely that podcast. Um, I think it might have been a think it might have been a think it might have been a there might have been a pretty big chasm there might have been a pretty big chasm there might have been a pretty big chasm to leap from um what was sort of to leap from um what was sort of to leap from um what was sort of mainstream at that time to what you guys mainstream at that time to what you guys mainstream at that time to what you guys were doing at Microsoft with Metro and were doing at Microsoft with Metro and were doing at Microsoft with Metro and stuff. Yeah. From the future. Yeah.

Yeah. Too advanced for the regular Yeah. Too advanced for the regular people to understand. people to understand. people to understand. [Music] [Music] [Music] Yeah. You know, basically we showed up Yeah. You know, basically we showed up Yeah. You know, basically we showed up in a flying saucer and said, "Here is in a flying saucer and said, "Here is in a flying saucer and said, "Here is this new technology from the future and this new technology from the future and this new technology from the future and they just couldn't they didn't know what they just couldn't they didn't know what they just couldn't they didn't know what to do with it." Oh, that was pretty to do with it." Oh, that was pretty to do with it." Oh, that was pretty crazy. I remember the Microsoft stores crazy. I remember the Microsoft stores crazy. I remember the Microsoft stores that were popping up everywhere and they that were popping up everywhere and they that were popping up everywhere and they were featuring the Nokia were featuring the Nokia were featuring the Nokia the Nokia gigantic Nokia phones. They're the Nokia gigantic Nokia phones. They're the Nokia gigantic Nokia phones. They're they're freaking huge. Those Microsoft they're freaking huge. Those Microsoft they're freaking huge. Those Microsoft stores, man. stores, man. stores, man. Painful. It was painful. It was exciting Painful. It was painful. It was exciting Painful. It was painful. It was exciting at first, but it was painful later. It at first, but it was painful later. It at first, but it was painful later. It was exciting on opening day. That was was exciting on opening day. That was was exciting on opening day. That was about it. Yeah. Well, so it's I probably about it. Yeah. Well, so it's I probably about it. Yeah. Well, so it's I probably said this before, but I'll say it again said this before, but I'll say it again said this before, but I'll say it again about the Microsoft stores. It after a about the Microsoft stores. It after a about the Microsoft stores. It after a while it got so bad that we would play while it got so bad that we would play while it got so bad that we would play like a gambling game like an overunder like a gambling game like an overunder like a gambling game like an overunder or whatever. When you'd walk by a or whatever. When you'd walk by a or whatever. When you'd walk by a Microsoft store, will there be more Microsoft store, will there be more Microsoft store, will there be more employees or more customers in the employees or more customers in the employees or more customers in the Microsoft store? Microsoft store? Microsoft store? Never seen one with more customers. But Never seen one with more customers. But Never seen one with more customers. But yeah, and then sometimes it would be yeah, and then sometimes it would be yeah, and then sometimes it would be right down from the Apple store and right down from the Apple store and right down from the Apple store and there's like 10 billion people crammed there's like 10 billion people crammed there's like 10 billion people crammed into the Apple store. That wasn't that a into the Apple store. That wasn't that a into the Apple store. That wasn't that a strategy? A Microsoft retail strategy?

strategy? A Microsoft retail strategy? strategy? A Microsoft retail strategy? It's like we're going to open a store It's like we're going to open a store It's like we're going to open a store across every Apple store. The Burger across every Apple store. The Burger across every Apple store. The Burger King The Burger King strategy. Yeah. It King The Burger King strategy. Yeah. It King The Burger King strategy. Yeah. It worked for Lowe's being across the worked for Lowe's being across the worked for Lowe's being across the street from Home Depot. Oh yeah. did not street from Home Depot. Oh yeah. did not street from Home Depot. Oh yeah. did not work for Microsoft. Yeah. And um uh work for Microsoft. Yeah. And um uh work for Microsoft. Yeah. And um uh Amazon tried to do the same thing with Amazon tried to do the same thing with Amazon tried to do the same thing with their Amazon whatever the hell they call their Amazon whatever the hell they call their Amazon whatever the hell they call them. The little stores go them. The little stores go them. The little stores go their little stores. Yeah. Book stores. their little stores. Yeah. Book stores. their little stores. Yeah. Book stores. The book stores. No. Oh. Well, which one The book stores. No. Oh. Well, which one The book stores. No. Oh. Well, which one are you talking about? Are you talking are you talking about? Are you talking are you talking about? Are you talking about the curated top five star stores about the curated top five star stores about the curated top five star stores they opened where they put all the cuz they opened where they put all the cuz they opened where they put all the cuz cuz they did that and it pissed my wife cuz they did that and it pissed my wife cuz they did that and it pissed my wife off to no end cuz she's just English off to no end cuz she's just English off to no end cuz she's just English major. major. major. Swear they had one. Yes. And it's just Swear they had one. Yes. And it's just Swear they had one. Yes. And it's just like, oh, that's just really rich of you like, oh, that's just really rich of you like, oh, that's just really rich of you guys. After you wipe out the entire guys. After you wipe out the entire guys. After you wipe out the entire bookstore industry and put Borders out bookstore industry and put Borders out bookstore industry and put Borders out of business and you got Barnes & Noble of business and you got Barnes & Noble of business and you got Barnes & Noble on the ropes and then you decide, hey, on the ropes and then you decide, hey, on the ropes and then you decide, hey, we'll have a store, too. And we're going we'll have a store, too. And we're going we'll have a store, too. And we're going to just put the books that got five to just put the books that got five to just put the books that got five stars in there and people are like, stars in there and people are like, stars in there and people are like, "It's amazing. I love it." And nobody "It's amazing. I love it." And nobody "It's amazing. I love it." And nobody know that bombed. Yeah, that bomb.

know that bombed. Yeah, that bomb. know that bombed. Yeah, that bomb. Barnes & Noble. Barnes & Noble's coming Barnes & Noble. Barnes & Noble's coming Barnes & Noble. Barnes & Noble's coming back. So, there you go. Is it coming back. So, there you go. Is it coming back. So, there you go. Is it coming back? Yeah. Yeah, they're doing well. back? Yeah. Yeah, they're doing well. back? Yeah. Yeah, they're doing well. actually showed a lot of new stores. actually showed a lot of new stores. actually showed a lot of new stores. They had new new owners, new new stuff. They had new new owners, new new stuff. They had new new owners, new new stuff. Every time I go into Barnes & Noble, I Every time I go into Barnes & Noble, I Every time I go into Barnes & Noble, I notice that it changes inside. Like they notice that it changes inside. Like they notice that it changes inside. Like they rearrange it. And it's kind of like Best rearrange it. And it's kind of like Best rearrange it. And it's kind of like Best Buy. Actually, both of them are doing Buy. Actually, both of them are doing Buy. Actually, both of them are doing the similar thing. On a week-by-eek the similar thing. On a week-by-eek the similar thing. On a week-by-eek basis, they rearrange and change the basis, they rearrange and change the basis, they rearrange and change the products mix. What are people interested products mix. What are people interested products mix. What are people interested in buying this week? That's what we are in buying this week? That's what we are in buying this week? That's what we are all about this week. That's a you know, all about this week. That's a you know, all about this week. That's a you know, predictive. Um, it's predictive and predictive. Um, it's predictive and predictive. Um, it's predictive and targeted inventory management, right? targeted inventory management, right? targeted inventory management, right? That's what they're doing. They're use That's what they're doing. They're use That's what they're doing. They're use they thought they can use IoT to drive they thought they can use IoT to drive they thought they can use IoT to drive sales and create a viable sales and create a viable sales and create a viable um, you know, retail physical retail um, you know, retail physical retail um, you know, retail physical retail node and it it it didn't work out. So, node and it it it didn't work out. So, node and it it it didn't work out. So, I'm sure they I'm sure they study the I'm sure they I'm sure they study the I'm sure they I'm sure they study the habits of folks. You have to wonder when habits of folks. You have to wonder when habits of folks. You have to wonder when when if the store is laid out the same when if the store is laid out the same when if the store is laid out the same time every time, they lose the b the time every time, they lose the b the time every time, they lose the b the add-on sales because people go straight add-on sales because people go straight add-on sales because people go straight to that section, buy what they want, and to that section, buy what they want, and to that section, buy what they want, and get out of there. I don't know. My my get out of there. I don't know. My my get out of there. I don't know. My my oldest son is so mad that Best Buy used oldest son is so mad that Best Buy used oldest son is so mad that Best Buy used to be the place where you get all your to be the place where you get all your to be the place where you get all your Blu-rays and 4K videos, and now they're Blu-rays and 4K videos, and now they're Blu-rays and 4K videos, and now they're not even there anymore.

not even there anymore. not even there anymore. Yeah. Before, no offense to Best Buy, Yeah. Before, no offense to Best Buy, Yeah. Before, no offense to Best Buy, but I don't know why anyone would but I don't know why anyone would but I don't know why anyone would actually go to one of those stores at actually go to one of those stores at actually go to one of those stores at this point, but that's just me. Yeah, I this point, but that's just me. Yeah, I this point, but that's just me. Yeah, I don't go in. Ouch. Ouch. don't go in. Ouch. Ouch. don't go in. Ouch. Ouch. I mean, you know, just get the stuff I mean, you know, just get the stuff I mean, you know, just get the stuff off. A good friend of mine who's got his off. A good friend of mine who's got his off. A good friend of mine who's got his own kind of small tech business, he's in own kind of small tech business, he's in own kind of small tech business, he's in Oklahoma. He said you should actually Oklahoma. He said you should actually Oklahoma. He said you should actually get a Best Buy credit card thing and get a Best Buy credit card thing and get a Best Buy credit card thing and it's like everything they have is 0% 12 it's like everything they have is 0% 12 it's like everything they have is 0% 12 months to pay. He goes, "If you buy a months to pay. He goes, "If you buy a months to pay. He goes, "If you buy a lot of computer gear for your business lot of computer gear for your business lot of computer gear for your business and stuff," he goes, "It's actually the and stuff," he goes, "It's actually the and stuff," he goes, "It's actually the best deal in the world is to use Best best deal in the world is to use Best best deal in the world is to use Best Buy to do But again, you could do that. Buy to do But again, you could do that. Buy to do But again, you could do that. You could get a virtual Best Buy credit You could get a virtual Best Buy credit You could get a virtual Best Buy credit card, do it all online. Yeah. Oh, card, do it all online. Yeah. Oh, card, do it all online. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. You're right. Yeah. No, absolutely. You're right. Yeah. No, absolutely. You're right. Yeah. No, you're right. Like, I think physical you're right. Like, I think physical you're right. Like, I think physical physical retail is really important for physical retail is really important for physical retail is really important for obviously there's food, there's there's obviously there's food, there's there's obviously there's food, there's there's clothing, you know, you want to feel the clothing, you know, you want to feel the clothing, you know, you want to feel the merchandise. I mean, there's lots of merchandise. I mean, there's lots of merchandise. I mean, there's lots of good reasons for physical retail, but I good reasons for physical retail, but I good reasons for physical retail, but I think there's just some of these think there's just some of these think there's just some of these categories that I scratch my head when I categories that I scratch my head when I categories that I scratch my head when I when I think about why they're I like to when I think about why they're I like to when I think about why they're I like to I like to avoid places that have a lot I like to avoid places that have a lot I like to avoid places that have a lot of people. So, I will always buy online.

of people. So, I will always buy online. of people. So, I will always buy online. I thought you were going to say that's I thought you were going to say that's I thought you were going to say that's why I go to Best Buy. No, I mean I mean why I go to Best Buy. No, I mean I mean why I go to Best Buy. No, I mean I mean think about where you live. You live in think about where you live. You live in think about where you live. You live in the middle of nowhere, right? How close the middle of nowhere, right? How close the middle of nowhere, right? How close is Yeah. It's an hour into where all the is Yeah. It's an hour into where all the is Yeah. It's an hour into where all the major retail stores are anyway. So yeah, major retail stores are anyway. So yeah, major retail stores are anyway. So yeah, we're just now getting Instacart where we're just now getting Instacart where we're just now getting Instacart where we can get things delivered out this way we can get things delivered out this way we can get things delivered out this way from big retailers. from big retailers. from big retailers. It's a very h it's a small handful of It's a very h it's a small handful of It's a very h it's a small handful of stores that will deliver out this way, stores that will deliver out this way, stores that will deliver out this way, but that's kind of a big deal for us out but that's kind of a big deal for us out but that's kind of a big deal for us out here. Yeah. Yeah, that is a big deal cuz here. Yeah. Yeah, that is a big deal cuz here. Yeah. Yeah, that is a big deal cuz you're way out there for sure. Um, you you're way out there for sure. Um, you you're way out there for sure. Um, you know, I miss the days I used I was a big know, I miss the days I used I was a big know, I miss the days I used I was a big fan of Borders bookstore personally. And fan of Borders bookstore personally. And fan of Borders bookstore personally. And do you remember in the '9s and maybe do you remember in the '9s and maybe do you remember in the '9s and maybe early 2000s like when the biggest early 2000s like when the biggest early 2000s like when the biggest section in the whole bookstore was all section in the whole bookstore was all section in the whole bookstore was all computer books, programming books and computer books, programming books and computer books, programming books and stuff? That was that was the golden that stuff? That was that was the golden that stuff? That was that was the golden that was the golden age. And then I watched was the golden age. And then I watched was the golden age. And then I watched it start getting smaller and smaller and it start getting smaller and smaller and it start getting smaller and smaller and you go, "Huh, what's that all about?" I you go, "Huh, what's that all about?" I you go, "Huh, what's that all about?" I read something, I don't know, it was read something, I don't know, it was read something, I don't know, it was Wall Street Journal, some tech, it was a Wall Street Journal, some tech, it was a Wall Street Journal, some tech, it was a financial deal, and the guy said, "If no financial deal, and the guy said, "If no financial deal, and the guy said, "If no one's writing books about what you do one's writing books about what you do one's writing books about what you do for a living, then you should change for a living, then you should change for a living, then you should change careers. You need to get out of that careers. You need to get out of that careers. You need to get out of that business." And I was like, "Whoa, business." And I was like, "Whoa, business." And I was like, "Whoa, what happened? Did the crypto get bigger what happened? Did the crypto get bigger what happened? Did the crypto get bigger and bigger?"

and bigger?" and bigger?" No, but I totally get it because I No, but I totally get it because I No, but I totally get it because I remember I used to make comments years remember I used to make comments years remember I used to make comments years ago where I would judge how much money ago where I would judge how much money ago where I would judge how much money as as an IND, let's say if you're a as as an IND, let's say if you're a as as an IND, let's say if you're a computer consultant, contractor, computer consultant, contractor, computer consultant, contractor, programmer person, how much money per programmer person, how much money per programmer person, how much money per hour you could make based on the density hour you could make based on the density hour you could make based on the density or the quantity of the programming books or the quantity of the programming books or the quantity of the programming books for your particular programming language for your particular programming language for your particular programming language or framework or database in Borders and or framework or database in Borders and or framework or database in Borders and Barnes & Noble. And I could accurately Barnes & Noble. And I could accurately Barnes & Noble. And I could accurately judge what's hot and what's not by based judge what's hot and what's not by based judge what's hot and what's not by based on that. Yeah. But but but there's on that. Yeah. But but but there's on that. Yeah. But but but there's you're forgetting that this that that you're forgetting that this that that you're forgetting that this that that tiny little thing that start happening tiny little thing that start happening tiny little thing that start happening at the same time called the internet. at the same time called the internet. at the same time called the internet. Damn you internet. I mean especially in Damn you internet. I mean especially in Damn you internet. I mean especially in the field of computing all the knowledge the field of computing all the knowledge the field of computing all the knowledge moved from paper books to online. So moved from paper books to online. So moved from paper books to online. So it's not representative of the decline it's not representative of the decline it's not representative of the decline of the industry. So that's that that of the industry. So that's that that of the industry. So that's that that argument doesn't fly this. Does anybody argument doesn't fly this. Does anybody argument doesn't fly this. Does anybody have a memory if you were hanging out in have a memory if you were hanging out in have a memory if you were hanging out in one of those book sections that Dimmitri one of those book sections that Dimmitri one of those book sections that Dimmitri said didn't fly of recruiters hanging said didn't fly of recruiters hanging said didn't fly of recruiters hanging out in the computer book section at out in the computer book section at out in the computer book section at Barnes & Noble and Borders and they Barnes & Noble and Borders and they Barnes & Noble and Borders and they would walk up to you? I had that happen would walk up to you? I had that happen would walk up to you? I had that happen more than once. Me too. Rob, don't don't more than once. Me too. Rob, don't don't more than once. Me too. Rob, don't don't get me wrong. All I'm saying is that in get me wrong. All I'm saying is that in get me wrong. All I'm saying is that in from the n middle of the 90s, late 90s, from the n middle of the 90s, late 90s, from the n middle of the 90s, late 90s, the knowledge about how to program moved the knowledge about how to program moved the knowledge about how to program moved from being in books to being online. And from being in books to being online. And from being in books to being online. And the people went online to learn instead the people went online to learn instead the people went online to learn instead of buying books. That's the what of buying books. That's the what of buying books. That's the what happened at that point. And do you happened at that point. And do you happened at that point. And do you remember the Barnes & Noble in downtown remember the Barnes & Noble in downtown remember the Barnes & Noble in downtown Belleview that used to be a bowling Belleview that used to be a bowling Belleview that used to be a bowling alley? Yes. Recruiters were camped out

alley? Yes. Recruiters were camped out alley? Yes. Recruiters were camped out in the computer book section trying to in the computer book section trying to in the computer book section trying to get talent. It was crazy. But and to get talent. It was crazy. But and to get talent. It was crazy. But and to this to another anecdote interesting Rob this to another anecdote interesting Rob this to another anecdote interesting Rob talking about where recruiter goes. When talking about where recruiter goes. When talking about where recruiter goes. When World of Warcraft was starting to grow World of Warcraft was starting to grow World of Warcraft was starting to grow as an online game, you had Microsoft as an online game, you had Microsoft as an online game, you had Microsoft recruiters, I think I remember going recruiters, I think I remember going recruiters, I think I remember going there for the league chiefs because e- there for the league chiefs because e- there for the league chiefs because e- gaming stuff. Yeah, the e- gaming. If gaming stuff. Yeah, the e- gaming. If gaming stuff. Yeah, the e- gaming. If you're a leader of a league in an e- you're a leader of a league in an e- you're a leader of a league in an e- gaming, so you have 20 other guys gaming, so you have 20 other guys gaming, so you have 20 other guys working for you, you have management working for you, you have management working for you, you have management skills. So they were targeting No, skills. So they were targeting No, skills. So they were targeting No, seriously, they were they were targeting seriously, they were they were targeting seriously, they were they were targeting people who are leaders on e games to people who are leaders on e games to people who are leaders on e games to recruit them as managers. That makes recruit them as managers. That makes recruit them as managers. That makes sense. It makes sense to me, too. Yeah, sense. It makes sense to me, too. Yeah, sense. It makes sense to me, too. Yeah, I love that. basically. Now, what else I love that. basically. Now, what else I love that. basically. Now, what else should have died then if the internet should have died then if the internet should have died then if the internet kills everything? Conferences like the kills everything? Conferences like the kills everything? Conferences like the need to go to a computer conference to need to go to a computer conference to need to go to a computer conference to learn stuff when everything's already learn stuff when everything's already learn stuff when everything's already online. Well, I actually wanted to online. Well, I actually wanted to online. Well, I actually wanted to comment on that with Stephanie because I comment on that with Stephanie because I comment on that with Stephanie because I believe that what Stephanie was saying believe that what Stephanie was saying believe that what Stephanie was saying is that you and Pete, you know, you you is that you and Pete, you know, you you is that you and Pete, you know, you you buy everything online, there is the kind buy everything online, there is the kind buy everything online, there is the kind of a human touch and contact aspect that of a human touch and contact aspect that of a human touch and contact aspect that you're losing. So when I want to buy a you're losing. So when I want to buy a you're losing. So when I want to buy a new if I want to buy a new pair of new if I want to buy a new pair of new if I want to buy a new pair of shoes, I buy online if I know what I shoes, I buy online if I know what I shoes, I buy online if I know what I want. But when I'm looking for something want. But when I'm looking for something want. But when I'm looking for something different, I'm frustrating because those different, I'm frustrating because those different, I'm frustrating because those freaking flat pictures or even Oh yeah, freaking flat pictures or even Oh yeah, freaking flat pictures or even Oh yeah, totally. I mean clothing is one of the totally. I mean clothing is one of the totally. I mean clothing is one of the glass great retail experiences and your glass great retail experiences and your glass great retail experiences and your book and records DVDs. I love when you book and records DVDs. I love when you book and records DVDs. I love when you could go and you touch the DVD, you turn could go and you touch the DVD, you turn could go and you touch the DVD, you turn it around, you see the cover, you feel it around, you see the cover, you feel it around, you see the cover, you feel it. Used record store. I go you there's it. Used record store. I go you there's it. Used record store. I go you there's a good used record store and maybe a good used record store and maybe a good used record store and maybe vision pro would be a use case for that

vision pro would be a use case for that vision pro would be a use case for that player that you have one. So but the the player that you have one. So but the the player that you have one. So but the the kind of you got to but you got to smell kind of you got to but you got to smell kind of you got to but you got to smell the vinyl the vinyl the vinyl down. down. down. There you go. Y knows what I'm talking There you go. Y knows what I'm talking There you go. Y knows what I'm talking about. Sweet. Is that the gate? Is that about. Sweet. Is that the gate? Is that about. Sweet. Is that the gate? Is that the original the gate? Yeah, it is. Oh, the original the gate? Yeah, it is. Oh, the original the gate? Yeah, it is. Oh, okay. okay. okay. Rob is the cowboy wizard. The overh Rob is the cowboy wizard. The overh Rob is the cowboy wizard. The overh dark wizard. But that was I know it's dark wizard. But that was I know it's dark wizard. But that was I know it's really simple, but I think this is one really simple, but I think this is one really simple, but I think this is one of the best album covers ever. Yeah, of the best album covers ever. Yeah, of the best album covers ever. Yeah, there's just something about it, you there's just something about it, you there's just something about it, you know. Yeah. One of the best albums ever. know. Yeah. One of the best albums ever. know. Yeah. One of the best albums ever. Never Never Never on the inside. One thing that I I'm on the inside. One thing that I I'm on the inside. One thing that I I'm still puzzled that didn't happen because still puzzled that didn't happen because still puzzled that didn't happen because in the earlier of e-commerce I was in the earlier of e-commerce I was in the earlier of e-commerce I was thinking that the the future model would thinking that the the future model would thinking that the the future model would be you know very big showrooms where be you know very big showrooms where be you know very big showrooms where there's one product of everything where there's one product of everything where there's one product of everything where you can go and touch and look and then you can go and touch and look and then you can go and touch and look and then you just take picture of the barcode and you just take picture of the barcode and you just take picture of the barcode and you go order online at home. But those you go order online at home. But those you go order online at home. But those things never really materialized. People things never really materialized. People things never really materialized. People like the instant gratification. If like the instant gratification. If like the instant gratification. If you're in retail, the worst thing you you're in retail, the worst thing you you're in retail, the worst thing you can do in retail is you go in, you want can do in retail is you go in, you want can do in retail is you go in, you want to buy something and they're like, "Oh, to buy something and they're like, "Oh, to buy something and they're like, "Oh, I don't have it in stock. I have to ship I don't have it in stock. I have to ship I don't have it in stock. I have to ship it to you." Then I'm like, "Ah." Yeah.

it to you." Then I'm like, "Ah." Yeah. it to you." Then I'm like, "Ah." Yeah. Yeah, but that was that was when Yeah, but that was that was when Yeah, but that was that was when shipping was a week. Now shipping can be shipping was a week. Now shipping can be shipping was a week. Now shipping can be overnight to the next morning at 4:00 overnight to the next morning at 4:00 overnight to the next morning at 4:00 a.m. So everywhere, but I would consumer a.m. So everywhere, but I would consumer a.m. So everywhere, but I would consumer of that. Do you remember as you started of that. Do you remember as you started of that. Do you remember as you started to slowly see the decline of our to slowly see the decline of our to slowly see the decline of our favorite store in the world, Fries favorite store in the world, Fries favorite store in the world, Fries Electronics, Electronics, Electronics, and after a while, they had a big sign and after a while, they had a big sign and after a while, they had a big sign out in front of all their stores like out in front of all their stores like out in front of all their stores like we'll beat internet prices and stuff we'll beat internet prices and stuff we'll beat internet prices and stuff like that, you know. And it was it was like that, you know. And it was it was like that, you know. And it was it was this last gasp of retail in the tech this last gasp of retail in the tech this last gasp of retail in the tech space where they're like please for the space where they're like please for the space where they're like please for the love of God because they knew people love of God because they knew people love of God because they knew people love to go there just to hang out you love to go there just to hang out you love to go there just to hang out you know. Yeah. But I think Fries didn't do know. Yeah. But I think Fries didn't do know. Yeah. But I think Fries didn't do a very good job because the the place a very good job because the the place a very good job because the the place was great for what you could find but was great for what you could find but was great for what you could find but the the customer service the people that the the customer service the people that the the customer service the people that were there that at least my experience were there that at least my experience were there that at least my experience in the Bay Area they sucked. Yeah. But in the Bay Area they sucked. Yeah. But in the Bay Area they sucked. Yeah. But you know that you have to remember uh you know that you have to remember uh you know that you have to remember uh e-commerce was heavily subsidized in the e-commerce was heavily subsidized in the e-commerce was heavily subsidized in the beginning and it was basically geared beginning and it was basically geared beginning and it was basically geared toward toward toward um you know there was the whole internet um you know there was the whole internet um you know there was the whole internet tax break right sales tax break that tax break right sales tax break that tax break right sales tax break that killed everybody and that was completely killed everybody and that was completely killed everybody and that was completely unfair. So, you know, this idea that unfair. So, you know, this idea that unfair. So, you know, this idea that somehow technology in of itself or some somehow technology in of itself or some somehow technology in of itself or some sort of new modality of um some kind of sort of new modality of um some kind of sort of new modality of um some kind of process or what have you is inherently process or what have you is inherently process or what have you is inherently transformative. Sometimes it gets transformative. Sometimes it gets transformative. Sometimes it gets subsidized to basically scale. And then, subsidized to basically scale. And then, subsidized to basically scale. And then, you know, think about it. Walmart hasn't you know, think about it. Walmart hasn't you know, think about it. Walmart hasn't gone anywhere. Costco hasn't gone gone anywhere. Costco hasn't gone gone anywhere. Costco hasn't gone anywhere. You go to a Costco, it's still

anywhere. You go to a Costco, it's still anywhere. You go to a Costco, it's still freaking packed. freaking packed. freaking packed. and they are doing they you know Amazon and they are doing they you know Amazon and they are doing they you know Amazon didn't kill them right um so these I I didn't kill them right um so these I I didn't kill them right um so these I I remember all the nonsense around remember all the nonsense around remember all the nonsense around e-commerce and how everyone was going e-commerce and how everyone was going e-commerce and how everyone was going bonkers around that long time ago and bonkers around that long time ago and bonkers around that long time ago and then you know Amazon didn't end up then you know Amazon didn't end up then you know Amazon didn't end up becoming the death star um you know becoming the death star um you know becoming the death star um you know there e-commerce is still a fraction of there e-commerce is still a fraction of there e-commerce is still a fraction of commerce you know like um um and so yeah commerce you know like um um and so yeah commerce you know like um um and so yeah the these these things have been the these these things have been the these these things have been exaggerated ated and then you know they exaggerated ated and then you know they exaggerated ated and then you know they don't tend to have the impact that we don't tend to have the impact that we don't tend to have the impact that we all think even though we've been all think even though we've been all think even though we've been indoctrinated to think that they have indoctrinated to think that they have indoctrinated to think that they have right you just have to you know the right you just have to you know the right you just have to you know the malls yeah they died for a certain malls yeah they died for a certain malls yeah they died for a certain reason but it's not because of reason but it's not because of reason but it's not because of e-commerce if you go over to UTC man e-commerce if you go over to UTC man e-commerce if you go over to UTC man that place is packed yeah UTC day you that place is packed yeah UTC day you that place is packed yeah UTC day you know me know me know me like everyone who doesn't live in the like everyone who doesn't live in the like everyone who doesn't live in the greater San Diego area has no idea what greater San Diego area has no idea what greater San Diego area has no idea what you're talking about. Yeah. University you're talking about. Yeah. University you're talking about. Yeah. University Town Center. Oh, no. Just go to any like Town Center. Oh, no. Just go to any like Town Center. Oh, no. Just go to any like mall in Asia. They're they're packed.

mall in Asia. They're they're packed. mall in Asia. They're they're packed. Yeah. With people, right? Yeah. With people, right? Yeah. With people, right? In the short run and underestimate in In the short run and underestimate in In the short run and underestimate in the long run, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I think that e-commerce forced the Yeah. I think that e-commerce forced the or I mean eliminated all the the shops or I mean eliminated all the the shops or I mean eliminated all the the shops that were not make the shops that were that were not make the shops that were that were not make the shops that were only bringing the value was to have the only bringing the value was to have the only bringing the value was to have the product. You have to build something product. You have to build something product. You have to build something that you also great great shopping malls that you also great great shopping malls that you also great great shopping malls which probably still exist but know they which probably still exist but know they which probably still exist but know they used to be you had to go to this shop used to be you had to go to this shop used to be you had to go to this shop because this shop was the only place because this shop was the only place because this shop was the only place where you could get that product. The where you could get that product. The where you could get that product. The internet killed that for sure if you internet killed that for sure if you internet killed that for sure if you order. Yeah. And then and then co also order. Yeah. And then and then co also order. Yeah. And then and then co also introduced a whole you know the curbside introduced a whole you know the curbside introduced a whole you know the curbside thing and a lot of those retailers kept thing and a lot of those retailers kept thing and a lot of those retailers kept that where which is where like you're that where which is where like you're that where which is where like you're still performing an e-commerce still performing an e-commerce still performing an e-commerce transaction but you may pick up at the transaction but you may pick up at the transaction but you may pick up at the store or same thing with food and fast store or same thing with food and fast store or same thing with food and fast food. You just download the app, food. You just download the app, food. You just download the app, pre-order, pick up. That's made a lot of pre-order, pick up. That's made a lot of pre-order, pick up. That's made a lot of things to talk about. you didn't get to talk to talk about. you didn't get to talk about. But what we see what we see here about. But what we see what we see here about. But what we see what we see here in Spain, it's basically u big um in Spain, it's basically u big um in Spain, it's basically u big um uh clothing stores becoming like um um uh clothing stores becoming like um um uh clothing stores becoming like um um you go there, you try the the sizes and you go there, you try the the sizes and you go there, you try the the sizes and then you order online and you get it the then you order online and you get it the then you order online and you get it the the day after at home or in a couple of the day after at home or in a couple of the day after at home or in a couple of days and you can return it for free.

days and you can return it for free. days and you can return it for free. That's cool. So they don't you cannot That's cool. So they don't you cannot That's cool. So they don't you cannot buy actually or or there are just few buy actually or or there are just few buy actually or or there are just few pieces to buy in the in the shop. So you pieces to buy in the in the shop. So you pieces to buy in the in the shop. So you go there, you test if you like it, you go there, you test if you like it, you go there, you test if you like it, you just uh can with a phone order it and just uh can with a phone order it and just uh can with a phone order it and the day after you got it, you have it at the day after you got it, you have it at the day after you got it, you have it at home. So you you miss as well the home. So you you miss as well the home. So you you miss as well the experience of going with multiple bags experience of going with multiple bags experience of going with multiple bags walking around. Uh at least yeah, we walking around. Uh at least yeah, we walking around. Uh at least yeah, we don't have that many shopping malls. don't have that many shopping malls. don't have that many shopping malls. That's what I was saying about you know That's what I was saying about you know That's what I was saying about you know having kind of showroom or test room. having kind of showroom or test room. having kind of showroom or test room. Yeah, showrooms. Yeah, because people Yeah, showrooms. Yeah, because people Yeah, showrooms. Yeah, because people are now used to buy online and wait a are now used to buy online and wait a are now used to buy online and wait a day or two for delivery. Maybe the model day or two for delivery. Maybe the model day or two for delivery. Maybe the model works now because the instance, oh, I works now because the instance, oh, I works now because the instance, oh, I want to go to a shop and I want to come want to go to a shop and I want to come want to go to a shop and I want to come back with that pair of shoes because back with that pair of shoes because back with that pair of shoes because people are now so used, I order online, people are now so used, I order online, people are now so used, I order online, it comes in one or two days, they say, it comes in one or two days, they say, it comes in one or two days, they say, why not go to the shop, try the pair of why not go to the shop, try the pair of why not go to the shop, try the pair of shoes, so I'm sure they fit and I love shoes, so I'm sure they fit and I love shoes, so I'm sure they fit and I love them and then wait one day or two to get them and then wait one day or two to get them and then wait one day or two to get them at home. So, it's it's a thing them at home. So, it's it's a thing them at home. So, it's it's a thing happening. So and actually like 10 year happening. So and actually like 10 year happening. So and actually like 10 year 15 years ago I had as well this idea of 15 years ago I had as well this idea of 15 years ago I had as well this idea of having like a this type of of shop um having like a this type of of shop um having like a this type of of shop um where where you go for example a book where where you go for example a book where where you go for example a book bookstore where you cannot buy the book bookstore where you cannot buy the book bookstore where you cannot buy the book but you you are affiliated to Amazon. So but you you are affiliated to Amazon. So but you you are affiliated to Amazon. So if you want to buy that book you just if you want to buy that book you just if you want to buy that book you just scan a QR code it goes to Amazon with scan a QR code it goes to Amazon with scan a QR code it goes to Amazon with your affiliation code on there and you your affiliation code on there and you your affiliation code on there and you get a percentage of that sale and then get a percentage of that sale and then get a percentage of that sale and then Amazon and they get the they get the Amazon and they get the they get the Amazon and they get the they get the affiliate the affiliate money on that affiliate the affiliate money on that affiliate the affiliate money on that link. Exactly. It's called I'm not Yeah, link. Exactly. It's called I'm not Yeah, link. Exactly. It's called I'm not Yeah, I don't think this is scalable, but uh I don't think this is scalable, but uh I don't think this is scalable, but uh it's called a library. It's called a it's called a library. It's called a it's called a library. It's called a library, man. So, 15 years ago, like you

library, man. So, 15 years ago, like you library, man. So, 15 years ago, like you said, there was a movie there was a said, there was a movie there was a said, there was a movie there was a movie that kind of illustrated the movie that kind of illustrated the movie that kind of illustrated the ridiculousness of online and and having ridiculousness of online and and having ridiculousness of online and and having brick and mortar tied into online. If brick and mortar tied into online. If brick and mortar tied into online. If you remember 40-year-old Virgin was you remember 40-year-old Virgin was you remember 40-year-old Virgin was Steve Carell, Steve Carell, Steve Carell, um what was it? Katherine Kenir, his um what was it? Katherine Kenir, his um what was it? Katherine Kenir, his love interest. He's they remember they love interest. He's they remember they love interest. He's they remember they all worked in the stereo store with Paul all worked in the stereo store with Paul all worked in the stereo store with Paul Rudd across the street. That was so Rudd across the street. That was so Rudd across the street. That was so funny. Across the street, she had like funny. Across the street, she had like funny. Across the street, she had like her eBay store or whatever and it had her eBay store or whatever and it had her eBay store or whatever and it had all this stuff in there and people would all this stuff in there and people would all this stuff in there and people would walk in and they'd want to buy it and walk in and they'd want to buy it and walk in and they'd want to buy it and she's like, "Oh no, I can't sell this to she's like, "Oh no, I can't sell this to she's like, "Oh no, I can't sell this to you here. You're going to have to go you here. You're going to have to go you here. You're going to have to go online to get it and then I'll ship it online to get it and then I'll ship it online to get it and then I'll ship it to you." They were just illustrating how silly it They were just illustrating how silly it was all back then. Oh my gosh. The the was all back then. Oh my gosh. The the was all back then. Oh my gosh. The the the the other area is like I use a the the other area is like I use a the the other area is like I use a service called Stitch Fix. And because I service called Stitch Fix. And because I service called Stitch Fix. And because I don't live in the city, I don't have I don't live in the city, I don't have I don't live in the city, I don't have I don't shop as much retail wise. You don't shop as much retail wise. You don't shop as much retail wise. You know, I do a lot of online, but what know, I do a lot of online, but what know, I do a lot of online, but what Stitch Fix does is I just got my Stitch Fix does is I just got my Stitch Fix does is I just got my shipment when I got when I got back from shipment when I got when I got back from shipment when I got when I got back from Hawaii. And I had usually I get about Hawaii. And I had usually I get about Hawaii. And I had usually I get about five or six pieces, shirts, clothes, five or six pieces, shirts, clothes, five or six pieces, shirts, clothes, shoes, jewelry, or whatever. And then I shoes, jewelry, or whatever. And then I shoes, jewelry, or whatever. And then I and they're random. I have a personal and they're random. I have a personal and they're random. I have a personal shopper that, you know, I went through shopper that, you know, I went through shopper that, you know, I went through and kind of put in my sizes and my and kind of put in my sizes and my and kind of put in my sizes and my likes, dislikes, GPT. They send me stuff likes, dislikes, GPT. They send me stuff likes, dislikes, GPT. They send me stuff and I usually at least every time get and I usually at least every time get and I usually at least every time get one or two items out of that batch and one or two items out of that batch and one or two items out of that batch and you know, you just play a flat rate for you know, you just play a flat rate for you know, you just play a flat rate for it and they shop for me and things that it and they shop for me and things that it and they shop for me and things that I probably would never have shopped for,

I probably would never have shopped for, I probably would never have shopped for, I buy from them. That's awesome. Yeah. I buy from them. That's awesome. Yeah. I buy from them. That's awesome. Yeah. But, you know, like Mark, that whole But, you know, like Mark, that whole But, you know, like Mark, that whole model that you were talking about where model that you were talking about where model that you were talking about where you just have this fitting or whatever you just have this fitting or whatever you just have this fitting or whatever showcase um store and using sort of a showcase um store and using sort of a showcase um store and using sort of a service merchandise model that that's service merchandise model that that's service merchandise model that that's that's pretty clever, you know, it makes that's pretty clever, you know, it makes that's pretty clever, you know, it makes a lot of sense. a lot of sense. a lot of sense. You can do You can do You can do you can do a travel store. You can do you can do a travel store. You can do you can do a travel store. You can do many things. It's not just for books, many things. It's not just for books, many things. It's not just for books, right? You can do it for anything right right? You can do it for anything right right? You can do it for anything right now. Yeah. Yeah. Why is it that we saw now. Yeah. Yeah. Why is it that we saw now. Yeah. Yeah. Why is it that we saw the decline of your classic indoor mall, the decline of your classic indoor mall, the decline of your classic indoor mall, but we saw success with the outdoor but we saw success with the outdoor but we saw success with the outdoor malls? Social. malls? Social. malls? Social. I don't know. Yeah. But I've noticed I don't know. Yeah. But I've noticed I don't know. Yeah. But I've noticed that if the outdoor malls are kind of that if the outdoor malls are kind of that if the outdoor malls are kind of outside, open air. Yeah. But it's it's outside, open air. Yeah. But it's it's outside, open air. Yeah. But it's it's global warming. Okay. There you Okay, global warming. Okay. There you Okay, global warming. Okay. There you Okay, that's probably it. That's probably it. that's probably it. That's probably it. that's probably it. That's probably it. Yeah. Thanks. That's it. Yeah. you you Yeah. Thanks. That's it. Yeah. you you Yeah. Thanks. That's it. Yeah. you you can design it wrong. Uh because they can design it wrong. Uh because they can design it wrong. Uh because they have one outdoor mall in um Otai Ranch have one outdoor mall in um Otai Ranch have one outdoor mall in um Otai Ranch and this is near the border, Mexican and this is near the border, Mexican and this is near the border, Mexican border in in San Diego County and they border in in San Diego County and they border in in San Diego County and they designed that thing so horribly.

designed that thing so horribly. designed that thing so horribly. But Leonard, what you mentioned now that But Leonard, what you mentioned now that But Leonard, what you mentioned now that it's in the border, I remember getting it's in the border, I remember getting it's in the border, I remember getting into China into China into China from uh what's the country? It's not from uh what's the country? It's not from uh what's the country? It's not Hong Kong. Between Hong Kong and China, Hong Kong. Between Hong Kong and China, Hong Kong. Between Hong Kong and China, there is Macau. Yeah, Macau. So if you there is Macau. Yeah, Macau. So if you there is Macau. Yeah, Macau. So if you want to get into China through Macau, want to get into China through Macau, want to get into China through Macau, you get into a shopping mall. Then in you get into a shopping mall. Then in you get into a shopping mall. Then in the middle of the shopping mall, there the middle of the shopping mall, there the middle of the shopping mall, there is a passport check and then you get is a passport check and then you get is a passport check and then you get into a door and then you get into a into a door and then you get into a into a door and then you get into a Chinese shopping mall. Like the is Chinese shopping mall. Like the is Chinese shopping mall. Like the is this? What the is this country? this? What the is this country? this? What the is this country? Exit. Exit. Exit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Europe like clothes music like what the Europe like clothes music like what the Europe like clothes music like what the I I just cross into into a country and I I just cross into into a country and I I just cross into into a country and this is a shopping mall. What? I love this is a shopping mall. What? I love this is a shopping mall. What? I love it. The currency changes immediately. it. The currency changes immediately. it. The currency changes immediately. No, I love that. It's like every No, I love that. It's like every No, I love that. It's like every international airport today. It's like a international airport today. It's like a international airport today. It's like a giant mall walking through the Yeah. Oh giant mall walking through the Yeah. Oh giant mall walking through the Yeah. Oh my god. You want to go to your gate? my god. You want to go to your gate? my god. You want to go to your gate? Here, walk to this Jag mall, right? Get Here, walk to this Jag mall, right? Get Here, walk to this Jag mall, right? Get yours in. It's like, actually, if you yours in. It's like, actually, if you yours in. It's like, actually, if you want to have a retail store, there's no want to have a retail store, there's no want to have a retail store, there's no better place than airport. Oh, yeah.

better place than airport. Oh, yeah. better place than airport. Oh, yeah. Dutyfree. Cap. Well, not even just the Dutyfree. Cap. Well, not even just the Dutyfree. Cap. Well, not even just the duty-free, just the fact that you have duty-free, just the fact that you have duty-free, just the fact that you have captive travelers. Yeah. Uh in a place. captive travelers. Yeah. Uh in a place. captive travelers. Yeah. Uh in a place. I'm sure it's more expensive to leave as I'm sure it's more expensive to leave as I'm sure it's more expensive to leave as well. Yeah. And you you also have the well. Yeah. And you you also have the well. Yeah. And you you also have the kind of baggage allowance in the plane. kind of baggage allowance in the plane. kind of baggage allowance in the plane. Doesn't really is an incentive to buy Doesn't really is an incentive to buy Doesn't really is an incentive to buy stuff. So, it has to be small. I mean, stuff. So, it has to be small. I mean, stuff. So, it has to be small. I mean, you you you Yeah, maybe. I have this I have this Yeah, maybe. I have this I have this Yeah, maybe. I have this I have this horrible addiction. I'm going to admit horrible addiction. I'm going to admit horrible addiction. I'm going to admit it to you guys. it to you guys. it to you guys. Johnson Murphy has stores and airports Johnson Murphy has stores and airports Johnson Murphy has stores and airports all over the place and it's like a all over the place and it's like a all over the place and it's like a tractor beam and I keep buying shirts tractor beam and I keep buying shirts tractor beam and I keep buying shirts and stuff there when I'm see one in the and stuff there when I'm see one in the and stuff there when I'm see one in the airport and I admit to the people airport and I admit to the people airport and I admit to the people working there I go I just want to say working there I go I just want to say working there I go I just want to say you guys are geniuses. You guys have you guys are geniuses. You guys have you guys are geniuses. You guys have stores in like so many airports. You're stores in like so many airports. You're stores in like so many airports. You're you're getting me coming and going and you're getting me coming and going and you're getting me coming and going and flying everywhere. flying everywhere. flying everywhere. Yeah. Hey, I want to give a quick shout Yeah. Hey, I want to give a quick shout Yeah. Hey, I want to give a quick shout out to the guys at Sensors Converge. Um, out to the guys at Sensors Converge. Um, out to the guys at Sensors Converge. Um, I was there. I'm a board member, so I was there. I'm a board member, so I was there. I'm a board member, so there is a bit of a conflict of interest there is a bit of a conflict of interest there is a bit of a conflict of interest here, you know, in promoting them. It's here, you know, in promoting them. It's here, you know, in promoting them. It's okay. But, uh, man, great conference okay. But, uh, man, great conference okay. But, uh, man, great conference this year. There was a lot of folks and this year. There was a lot of folks and this year. There was a lot of folks and I was surprised on day two is usually I was surprised on day two is usually I was surprised on day two is usually pretty mellow. Still a lot of traffic pretty mellow. Still a lot of traffic pretty mellow. Still a lot of traffic there. But, you know, Edge AI Foundation there. But, you know, Edge AI Foundation there. But, you know, Edge AI Foundation was there. So Pete dropped off and I I was there. So Pete dropped off and I I was there. So Pete dropped off and I I was hoping that he'd have a chance to was hoping that he'd have a chance to was hoping that he'd have a chance to talk about the event in um Milan. Are talk about the event in um Milan. Are talk about the event in um Milan. Are you going, Mark?

you going, Mark? you going, Mark? No, I'm not going. Ah, that's too bad. No, I'm not going. Ah, that's too bad. No, I'm not going. Ah, that's too bad. Next time. By the way, um can we Next time. By the way, um can we Next time. By the way, um can we congratulate you or No. congratulate you or No. congratulate you or No. Next week, maybe. Okay, we'll wait till Next week, maybe. Okay, we'll wait till Next week, maybe. Okay, we'll wait till next week. Drum drums. Drums next week. I'm talking Drum drums. Drums next week. I'm talking about. But uh we'll get to all next about. But uh we'll get to all next about. But uh we'll get to all next week. Now you listen next week and then week. Now you listen next week and then week. Now you listen next week and then you'll know and then you come back to you'll know and then you come back to you'll know and then you come back to this episode around this point which is this episode around this point which is this episode around this point which is probably a minute 40, you know, 50 50 probably a minute 40, you know, 50 50 probably a minute 40, you know, 50 50 minutes in. Um but yeah, you know, I I I minutes in. Um but yeah, you know, I I I minutes in. Um but yeah, you know, I I I think um it's great to see Edge AI think um it's great to see Edge AI think um it's great to see Edge AI Foundation there with the sensor folks Foundation there with the sensor folks Foundation there with the sensor folks and there's a lot of exciting stuff and there's a lot of exciting stuff and there's a lot of exciting stuff happening there. I think it's going to happening there. I think it's going to happening there. I think it's going to be a bigger It's going to be a bigger be a bigger It's going to be a bigger be a bigger It's going to be a bigger thing next year for sure, right? You thing next year for sure, right? You thing next year for sure, right? You know, where was it at? Where was it at know, where was it at? Where was it at know, where was it at? Where was it at this week? This Santa Clara. Santa this week? This Santa Clara. Santa this week? This Santa Clara. Santa Clara. Santa Clara. Okay. I just threw Clara. Santa Clara. Okay. I just threw Clara. Santa Clara. Okay. I just threw up in my mouth. If I go to another up in my mouth. If I go to another up in my mouth. If I go to another conference in that old ass Santa Clara conference in that old ass Santa Clara conference in that old ass Santa Clara convention center, convention center, convention center, smell it. Come on, Rob. after lecturing smell it. Come on, Rob. after lecturing smell it. Come on, Rob. after lecturing us on how great it was to go to Best Buy us on how great it was to go to Best Buy us on how great it was to go to Best Buy and all those old shop to buy old stuff.

and all those old shop to buy old stuff. and all those old shop to buy old stuff. You don't like the Santa Clara You don't like the Santa Clara You don't like the Santa Clara Convention Center. I mean, you're like Convention Center. I mean, you're like Convention Center. I mean, you're like an LM. You are hallucinating all over an LM. You are hallucinating all over an LM. You are hallucinating all over the place. He just got spoiled at the the place. He just got spoiled at the the place. He just got spoiled at the sphere. So, yeah, sphere. So, yeah, sphere. So, yeah, I agree. It's a bit shitty, but it's an I agree. It's a bit shitty, but it's an I agree. It's a bit shitty, but it's an icon of a bit shitty is right. You know, icon of a bit shitty is right. You know, icon of a bit shitty is right. You know, it's a Levi stadium. I love to go there. it's a Levi stadium. I love to go there. it's a Levi stadium. I love to go there. It's an icon of Silicon Valley. It's the It's an icon of Silicon Valley. It's the It's an icon of Silicon Valley. It's the history. Yeah. Well, electronics was an history. Yeah. Well, electronics was an history. Yeah. Well, electronics was an icon of Silicon Valley 2 and it died icon of Silicon Valley 2 and it died icon of Silicon Valley 2 and it died because of you. You said those things because of you. You said those things because of you. You said those things should die because of the internet. should die because of the internet. should die because of the internet. No, I didn't say they should. I said No, I didn't say they should. I said No, I didn't say they should. I said they did. They did. they did. They did. they did. They did. It's a big difference. It's a big difference. It's a big difference. So, yeah. Yes. This week I was at HPE's So, yeah. Yes. This week I was at HPE's So, yeah. Yes. This week I was at HPE's conference. Oh, you were there? Oh, yes. conference. Oh, you were there? Oh, yes. conference. Oh, you were there? Oh, yes. Yeah. Wow. Oh, I've been on the road for Yeah. Wow. Oh, I've been on the road for Yeah. Wow. Oh, I've been on the road for like three weeks straight now. Um like three weeks straight now. Um like three weeks straight now. Um because I was in Vegas last week too. Um because I was in Vegas last week too. Um because I was in Vegas last week too. Um pure storage. Um so they were at the pure storage. Um so they were at the pure storage. Um so they were at the Venetian at Palazzo and uh you know did Venetian at Palazzo and uh you know did Venetian at Palazzo and uh you know did the event there and then of course you the event there and then of course you the event there and then of course you know you have the air conditioned know you have the air conditioned know you have the air conditioned skybridge to take you to the sphere. And skybridge to take you to the sphere. And skybridge to take you to the sphere. And so just like last year uh their CEO what so just like last year uh their CEO what so just like last year uh their CEO what Antonio Antonio Antonio he did his keynote from the sphere which he did his keynote from the sphere which he did his keynote from the sphere which was pretty cool. Um, and then was pretty cool. Um, and then was pretty cool. Um, and then we had country music event for the we had country music event for the we had country music event for the entertainment. It was Kenny Chzn in the entertainment. It was Kenny Chzn in the entertainment. It was Kenny Chzn in the sphere. Really? It was awesome. My sphere. Really? It was awesome. My sphere. Really? It was awesome. My father-in-law Rob did the Eagles there.

father-in-law Rob did the Eagles there. father-in-law Rob did the Eagles there. And he's like, it was one of the most And he's like, it was one of the most And he's like, it was one of the most amazing experiences. And I'm like, he's amazing experiences. And I'm like, he's amazing experiences. And I'm like, he's like, you have to get there before they like, you have to get there before they like, you have to get there before they leave. And I'm like, I don't have I have leave. And I'm like, I don't have I have leave. And I'm like, I don't have I have no interest in going to Vegas other than no interest in going to Vegas other than no interest in going to Vegas other than for the sphere. You know, it's going to for the sphere. You know, it's going to for the sphere. You know, it's going to be hard to go to other concerts now be hard to go to other concerts now be hard to go to other concerts now because the the immersive experience of because the the immersive experience of because the the immersive experience of the sphere is so unparalleled. It's like the sphere is so unparalleled. It's like the sphere is so unparalleled. It's like anything else will just seem lame. You anything else will just seem lame. You anything else will just seem lame. You know, you know what would be really for know, you know what would be really for know, you know what would be really for Apple is if they have a partnership with Apple is if they have a partnership with Apple is if they have a partnership with the sphere and all the content that's the sphere and all the content that's the sphere and all the content that's produced for the spear sphere they prom are they making more spheres all around are they making more spheres all around the world or not? the world or not? the world or not? Well, so somebody told me the they were, Well, so somebody told me the they were, Well, so somebody told me the they were, but this only sphere is losing so much but this only sphere is losing so much but this only sphere is losing so much money per month, okay, that everything money per month, okay, that everything money per month, okay, that everything else has been put on hold. So, it cost else has been put on hold. So, it cost else has been put on hold. So, it cost too expensive to run. It cost two too expensive to run. It cost two too expensive to run. It cost two billion to build and it's turning out to billion to build and it's turning out to billion to build and it's turning out to be way more expensive to operate than be way more expensive to operate than be way more expensive to operate than they thought it was going to be. um and they thought it was going to be. um and they thought it was going to be. um and they're not making enough money and so they're not making enough money and so they're not making enough money and so they're like losing I don't know they're like losing I don't know they're like losing I don't know hundreds of thousands or millions per hundreds of thousands or millions per hundreds of thousands or millions per month something crazy like that they month something crazy like that they month something crazy like that they charge something like a million dollars charge something like a million dollars charge something like a million dollars for one day of advertisement on that for one day of advertisement on that for one day of advertisement on that thing right well that's from the outside thing right well that's from the outside thing right well that's from the outside yeah the inside yeah Leonard on your yeah the inside yeah Leonard on your yeah the inside yeah Leonard on your point about the partnership with Apple point about the partnership with Apple point about the partnership with Apple have you seen those pictures with the have you seen those pictures with the have you seen those pictures with the blue screen of death for Microsoft blue screen of death for Microsoft blue screen of death for Microsoft around the sphere So,

around the sphere So, around the sphere So, oh, are you serious? oh, are you serious? oh, are you serious? I'm a Mac and I'm a PC and so maybe move I'm a Mac and I'm a PC and so maybe move I'm a Mac and I'm a PC and so maybe move the sphere to Mac OS first. the sphere to Mac OS first. the sphere to Mac OS first. There you go. There you go. Might be There you go. There you go. Might be There you go. There you go. Might be fakes, but uh maybe that's maybe that's fakes, but uh maybe that's maybe that's fakes, but uh maybe that's maybe that's the Apple campaign actually. Yeah, I don't know if it's a fake or not, but I don't know if it's a fake or not, but yeah, I've seen some, but I haven't I yeah, I've seen some, but I haven't I yeah, I've seen some, but I haven't I haven't fact checked them. I'm curious. haven't fact checked them. I'm curious. haven't fact checked them. I'm curious. I've not fact checked them, but yeah, I've not fact checked them, but yeah, I've not fact checked them, but yeah, you know, pictures of me. The next day you know, pictures of me. The next day you know, pictures of me. The next day you're talking to other analysts and who you're talking to other analysts and who you're talking to other analysts and who and I couldn't tell you how many of them and I couldn't tell you how many of them and I couldn't tell you how many of them said, "I don't even like country music." said, "I don't even like country music." said, "I don't even like country music." And that guy just blew me away. What a And that guy just blew me away. What a And that guy just blew me away. What a show. show. show. You almost when you see Kenny Chesny, You almost when you see Kenny Chesny, You almost when you see Kenny Chesny, you're like, "Is this a rock show? Is it you're like, "Is this a rock show? Is it you're like, "Is this a rock show? Is it Leonard Skinnard? Is it Jimmy Buffett?" Leonard Skinnard? Is it Jimmy Buffett?" Leonard Skinnard? Is it Jimmy Buffett?" There's a lot of ocean beach vibe going There's a lot of ocean beach vibe going There's a lot of ocean beach vibe going on there. He loves Jimmy Buffett. They on there. He loves Jimmy Buffett. They on there. He loves Jimmy Buffett. They were best They were good buds. We We've were best They were good buds. We We've were best They were good buds. We We've said this on the show before.

said this on the show before. said this on the show before. Country music just uh soft uh soft glam Country music just uh soft uh soft glam Country music just uh soft uh soft glam rock from the 80s. Mhm. It really is. rock from the 80s. Mhm. It really is. rock from the 80s. Mhm. It really is. He's definitely He definitely falls He's definitely He definitely falls He's definitely He definitely falls close into that yacht yacht rock close into that yacht yacht rock close into that yacht yacht rock category. No, no, no. It really is. I category. No, no, no. It really is. I category. No, no, no. It really is. I mean, there's nothing wrong with it mean, there's nothing wrong with it mean, there's nothing wrong with it because the music is great, but it was because the music is great, but it was because the music is great, but it was country and that's trend. Hey, and that country and that's trend. Hey, and that country and that's trend. Hey, and that trends on Tik Tok. You got to follow the trends on Tik Tok. You got to follow the trends on Tik Tok. You got to follow the yacht the the yacht rock clubs on Tik yacht the the yacht rock clubs on Tik yacht the the yacht rock clubs on Tik Tok. It's funny. Tok. It's funny. Tok. It's funny. Yeah. Like uh Bon Joy was even doing. Yeah. Like uh Bon Joy was even doing. Yeah. Like uh Bon Joy was even doing. They're all pretending they're cowboys They're all pretending they're cowboys They're all pretending they're cowboys and stuff, right? You know, Bon, and stuff, right? You know, Bon, and stuff, right? You know, Bon, everybody's crossing over every everybody's crossing over every everybody's crossing over every direction. What was it? Poison. Even direction. What was it? Poison. Even direction. What was it? Poison. Even what's it? Brett Michaels, right? He you what's it? Brett Michaels, right? He you what's it? Brett Michaels, right? He you know that that's you Brett Michaels. know that that's you Brett Michaels. know that that's you Brett Michaels. Rob Tiffany is Brent Michael. Well, we Rob Tiffany is Brent Michael. Well, we Rob Tiffany is Brent Michael. Well, we did Stephanie before you came here. We did Stephanie before you came here. We did Stephanie before you came here. We did create a new song. We we took Jump did create a new song. We we took Jump did create a new song. We we took Jump from Van Halen and made it prompt. Might from Van Halen and made it prompt. Might from Van Halen and made it prompt. Might as well prompt. Oh my gosh. We'll have to do an official recording We'll have to do an official recording of that though. You know, the whole song of that though. You know, the whole song of that though. You know, the whole song through. I think I know how to play it.

through. I think I know how to play it. through. I think I know how to play it. I know how to play on. There you go. I know how to play on. There you go. I know how to play on. There you go. Solo. So, we'll do it. I did it twice Solo. So, we'll do it. I did it twice Solo. So, we'll do it. I did it twice live. It was the scariest thing. It's live. It was the scariest thing. It's live. It was the scariest thing. It's not easy to play these Van Halen songs not easy to play these Van Halen songs not easy to play these Van Halen songs in front of people, you know. I did Hot in front of people, you know. I did Hot in front of people, you know. I did Hot for T-shirt once. love hot for teacher. for T-shirt once. love hot for teacher. for T-shirt once. love hot for teacher. You know, trivia, when I want to go to You know, trivia, when I want to go to You know, trivia, when I want to go to if you go to like a high-end audio file if you go to like a high-end audio file if you go to like a high-end audio file store, which there not many of those store, which there not many of those store, which there not many of those left anymore, and you want to test out left anymore, and you want to test out left anymore, and you want to test out the cleanness of the amplifier and the the cleanness of the amplifier and the the cleanness of the amplifier and the speakers, you do it by playing the speakers, you do it by playing the speakers, you do it by playing the beginning of Hot for Teacher, the drums. beginning of Hot for Teacher, the drums. beginning of Hot for Teacher, the drums. [Music] [Music] [Music] Remember how it begins? That is the best Remember how it begins? That is the best Remember how it begins? That is the best way to really test out high-end audio way to really test out high-end audio way to really test out high-end audio gear, you know. And there you go. gear, you know. And there you go. gear, you know. And there you go. There's your important factoid of the There's your important factoid of the There's your important factoid of the day. a proper teacher. But but the day. a proper teacher. But but the day. a proper teacher. But but the source is the most important element in source is the most important element in source is the most important element in an II system. If your source is not good an II system. If your source is not good an II system. If your source is not good enough, your amp and your speakers is enough, your amp and your speakers is enough, your amp and your speakers is not going to fix it. Yeah. So go vinyl not going to fix it. Yeah. So go vinyl not going to fix it. Yeah. So go vinyl everybody. Go. Not necessarily. Not everybody. Go. Not necessarily. Not everybody. Go. Not necessarily. Not necessarily. Some of the streaming necessarily. Some of the streaming necessarily. Some of the streaming system like extremely good nowadays if system like extremely good nowadays if system like extremely good nowadays if you have the right duck. So hey, the you have the right duck. So hey, the you have the right duck. So hey, the next time you're in Austin, you need to next time you're in Austin, you need to next time you're in Austin, you need to go to stay at the Otis Hotel. They have go to stay at the Otis Hotel. They have go to stay at the Otis Hotel. They have a vinyl store at the at the the main a vinyl store at the at the the main a vinyl store at the at the the main level, but they always feature their own level, but they always feature their own level, but they always feature their own vinyl artist in each room and they have vinyl artist in each room and they have vinyl artist in each room and they have their own, you know, record player. It's their own, you know, record player. It's their own, you know, record player. It's pretty cool. I love that. Check that pretty cool. I love that. Check that pretty cool. I love that. Check that place out. I saw that Spotify is talking place out. I saw that Spotify is talking place out. I saw that Spotify is talking about bringing lossless about bringing lossless about bringing lossless music to their platform.

music to their platform. music to their platform. Lossless. What? it giant files Lossless. What? it giant files Lossless. What? it giant files you know impression tidal and kubos do you know impression tidal and kubos do you know impression tidal and kubos do that today so yeah I mean a lot of that today so yeah I mean a lot of that today so yeah I mean a lot of people will use these other people will use these other people will use these other platforms to get that kind of a a level platforms to get that kind of a a level platforms to get that kind of a a level of quality and uh but I know a lot of of quality and uh but I know a lot of of quality and uh but I know a lot of people keep asking Spotify to do it people keep asking Spotify to do it people keep asking Spotify to do it since the masses are using it well you since the masses are using it well you since the masses are using it well you know audio video compression is another know audio video compression is another know audio video compression is another area that people aren't talking about area that people aren't talking about area that people aren't talking about much but it's going to be increasingly much but it's going to be increasingly much but it's going to be increasingly important important important Um, Um, Um, and it's interesting that you're talking and it's interesting that you're talking and it's interesting that you're talking about lossless cuz um, um, there's a lot about lossless cuz um, um, there's a lot about lossless cuz um, um, there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of research of, you know, there's a lot of research of, you know, there's a lot of research going into how do you compress butt, going into how do you compress butt, going into how do you compress butt, keep it lossless, right? So, yeah. Yeah. keep it lossless, right? So, yeah. Yeah. keep it lossless, right? So, yeah. Yeah. Right. Um, yeah. The guy want to do Right. Um, yeah. The guy want to do Right. Um, yeah. The guy want to do Yeah. I had one of the pioneers on my uh Yeah. I had one of the pioneers on my uh Yeah. I had one of the pioneers on my uh my podcast and she's freaking hilarious, my podcast and she's freaking hilarious, my podcast and she's freaking hilarious, but it's amazing the science that goes but it's amazing the science that goes but it's amazing the science that goes into it. And a lot of it has something into it. And a lot of it has something into it. And a lot of it has something to do with quantization and you know to do with quantization and you know to do with quantization and you know like uh um model compression, right? The like uh um model compression, right? The like uh um model compression, right? The techniques are she she argued that no techniques are she she argued that no techniques are she she argued that no not really. I was like really and she not really. I was like really and she not really. I was like really and she goes yeah kind of compression is that is goes yeah kind of compression is that is goes yeah kind of compression is that is that like using windation you know like that like using windation you know like that like using windation you know like all the different techniques for all the different techniques for all the different techniques for compressing stuff but compression is not compressing stuff but compression is not compressing stuff but compression is not synonymous to losing I mean you know synonymous to losing I mean you know synonymous to losing I mean you know windzip is is is compression but you windzip is is is compression but you windzip is is is compression but you don't lose anything now three is a is a

don't lose anything now three is a is a don't lose anything now three is a is a loss full or what kind of loss of things loss full or what kind of loss of things loss full or what kind of loss of things to compress so but no no the point is to compress so but no no the point is to compress so but no no the point is that compressing doesn't mean losing that compressing doesn't mean losing that compressing doesn't mean losing quality. Now, if you compress very very quality. Now, if you compress very very quality. Now, if you compress very very strongly with techniques like MP3s, yes, strongly with techniques like MP3s, yes, strongly with techniques like MP3s, yes, you lose quality. you lose quality. you lose quality. It's not necessarily lossless It's not necessarily lossless It's not necessarily lossless compression. Um, it's kind of like pi compression. Um, it's kind of like pi compression. Um, it's kind of like pi piper pi piper. Absolutely. By the way, piper pi piper. Absolutely. By the way, piper pi piper. Absolutely. By the way, the one of the origin of compression at the one of the origin of compression at the one of the origin of compression at least at least in our industry was to least at least in our industry was to least at least in our industry was to because the network boundaries was because the network boundaries was because the network boundaries was reduced, but you didn't want to lose the reduced, but you didn't want to lose the reduced, but you didn't want to lose the information. you were compressing information. you were compressing information. you were compressing because the pipe was small, but you because the pipe was small, but you because the pipe was small, but you wanted to make sure that on the other wanted to make sure that on the other wanted to make sure that on the other side you could decompress and get side you could decompress and get side you could decompress and get exactly the same thing. Yeah, it's it's exactly the same thing. Yeah, it's it's exactly the same thing. Yeah, it's it's Yeah. You know, it's like uh if you talk Yeah. You know, it's like uh if you talk Yeah. You know, it's like uh if you talk to our AI friends though, if you said to our AI friends though, if you said to our AI friends though, if you said model compression, they would think model compression, they would think model compression, they would think you're using windzip on an LLM. you're using windzip on an LLM. you're using windzip on an LLM. [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] Should work. Too funny. Windzip. Should work. Too funny. Windzip. Should work. Too funny. Windzip. But actually c can you use um unzip for But actually c can you use um unzip for But actually c can you use um unzip for sending data over IoT? So I was talking sending data over IoT? So I was talking sending data over IoT? So I was talking about uh this uh about serialization about uh this uh about serialization about uh this uh about serialization data serialization on IoT devices. Mhm.

data serialization on IoT devices. Mhm. data serialization on IoT devices. Mhm. No. And and a guy who was working on on No. And and a guy who was working on on No. And and a guy who was working on on cloud services he asked me why don't we cloud services he asked me why don't we cloud services he asked me why don't we use unzip? So we unzip the the JSON file use unzip? So we unzip the the JSON file use unzip? So we unzip the the JSON file and we send it. No it is it this is and we send it. No it is it this is and we send it. No it is it this is better than us. Well, it depends on the better than us. Well, it depends on the better than us. Well, it depends on the depends on the latency, but it is I mean depends on the latency, but it is I mean depends on the latency, but it is I mean the there's been actually a regression the there's been actually a regression the there's been actually a regression in the IoT protocols because you know in the IoT protocols because you know in the IoT protocols because you know Rob, you know that very well. In the Rob, you know that very well. In the Rob, you know that very well. In the early days of protocols, it was super early days of protocols, it was super early days of protocols, it was super optimized. You were using every single optimized. You were using every single optimized. You were using every single bit in the message to information. Then bit in the message to information. Then bit in the message to information. Then some idiots invented XML and JSON which some idiots invented XML and JSON which some idiots invented XML and JSON which is the most verbous and consumption is the most verbous and consumption is the most verbous and consumption method you can have. Yeah. Because method you can have. Yeah. Because method you can have. Yeah. Because basically so true. Not to mention the basically so true. Not to mention the basically so true. Not to mention the the blanks. How many blanks? Oh, I heard that Dimmitri is going to go Oh, I heard that Dimmitri is going to go on a road trip tour around the country. on a road trip tour around the country. on a road trip tour around the country. He's going to get like a old Volkswagen He's going to get like a old Volkswagen He's going to get like a old Volkswagen bus and it's going to say like death to bus and it's going to say like death to bus and it's going to say like death to all those XML Jason people and he's just all those XML Jason people and he's just all those XML Jason people and he's just going to go around with a loudspeaker going to go around with a loudspeaker going to go around with a loudspeaker like stop the madness like stop the madness like stop the madness verbose XML and show Jason. That's a verbose XML and show Jason. That's a verbose XML and show Jason. That's a good idea, but it's not going to be a good idea, but it's not going to be a good idea, but it's not going to be a Volkswagen bus. Maybe, you know, maybe a Volkswagen bus. Maybe, you know, maybe a Volkswagen bus. Maybe, you know, maybe a a Porsche Macan or or a Lamborghini.

a Porsche Macan or or a Lamborghini. a Porsche Macan or or a Lamborghini. Okay. Okay. Okay. That is so funny. You're right. I I That is so funny. You're right. I I That is so funny. You're right. I I forgot. You're a man of the people. So, forgot. You're a man of the people. So, forgot. You're a man of the people. So, yeah, definitely a Lamborghini. Yeah, yeah, definitely a Lamborghini. Yeah, yeah, definitely a Lamborghini. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm going I'm going to do exactly. Yeah, I'm going I'm going to do exactly. Yeah, I'm going I'm going to do a GoFundMe for that. Good luck. I know. a GoFundMe for that. Good luck. I know. a GoFundMe for that. Good luck. I know. Hey, so before we wrap up, uh you know, Hey, so before we wrap up, uh you know, Hey, so before we wrap up, uh you know, uh Stephanie, we haven't seen you in so uh Stephanie, we haven't seen you in so uh Stephanie, we haven't seen you in so long. How are How are you? How's long. How are How are you? How's long. How are How are you? How's everything going? I'm good. I um was everything going? I'm good. I um was everything going? I'm good. I um was gone for about a week. Well, a little gone for about a week. Well, a little gone for about a week. Well, a little bit more than a week um at I was in bit more than a week um at I was in bit more than a week um at I was in Hawaii. So, um I I it's been a busy Hawaii. So, um I I it's been a busy Hawaii. So, um I I it's been a busy summer with kids camps and vacations summer with kids camps and vacations summer with kids camps and vacations and, you know, all the nooks and and, you know, all the nooks and and, you know, all the nooks and crannies of you know, doing some crannies of you know, doing some crannies of you know, doing some projects for companies and trying to get projects for companies and trying to get projects for companies and trying to get some work done. Yeah. Yeah. It's been some work done. Yeah. Yeah. It's been some work done. Yeah. Yeah. It's been good. You want to admit that on the good. You want to admit that on the good. You want to admit that on the show? I know, right? Well, I Well, I show? I know, right? Well, I Well, I show? I know, right? Well, I Well, I know. And like I'm about to leave to go know. And like I'm about to leave to go know. And like I'm about to leave to go to my son's track camp, you know, run. to my son's track camp, you know, run. to my son's track camp, you know, run. He's got a track camp at&m. So I'm like He's got a track camp at&m. So I'm like He's got a track camp at&m. So I'm like it's just non-stop. I'm like working on it's just non-stop. I'm like working on it's just non-stop. I'm like working on the road and doing my best to take care the road and doing my best to take care the road and doing my best to take care of everything. But yeah, it's been busy of everything. But yeah, it's been busy of everything. But yeah, it's been busy busy. You see any velociraptors or busy. You see any velociraptors or busy. You see any velociraptors or anything when you were in Hawaii? I saw anything when you were in Hawaii? I saw anything when you were in Hawaii? I saw that you went to that place they have that you went to that place they have that you went to that place they have like on the north side of the island.

like on the north side of the island. like on the north side of the island. Oh, where the where they f they you know Oh, where the where they f they you know Oh, where the where they f they you know what's funny is their claim to fame is what's funny is their claim to fame is what's funny is their claim to fame is that they filmed Jurassic Park there. that they filmed Jurassic Park there. that they filmed Jurassic Park there. But the reality is it's only 90 seconds But the reality is it's only 90 seconds But the reality is it's only 90 seconds in the movie that it was actually from in the movie that it was actually from in the movie that it was actually from there. Kawaii. Did you go to Kauaii? Um, there. Kawaii. Did you go to Kauaii? Um, there. Kawaii. Did you go to Kauaii? Um, no. I was in a Yeah, Aahu. A no. I was in a Yeah, Aahu. A no. I was in a Yeah, Aahu. A I know the place you're talking about. I know the place you're talking about. I know the place you're talking about. It's Kuoa Ranch is where they do film. It's Kuoa Ranch is where they do film. It's Kuoa Ranch is where they do film. There's quite a few movies. 51st Dates, There's quite a few movies. 51st Dates, There's quite a few movies. 51st Dates, Jurassic Park, Jumanji. There's a few Jurassic Park, Jumanji. There's a few Jurassic Park, Jumanji. There's a few others, but yeah, it's a it's a it's a others, but yeah, it's a it's a it's a others, but yeah, it's a it's a it's a cool place right there that I would cool place right there that I would cool place right there that I would think that a cool tour would be to have think that a cool tour would be to have think that a cool tour would be to have a lot of suckers who don't know any a lot of suckers who don't know any a lot of suckers who don't know any better. They come to Hawaii to Aahu and better. They come to Hawaii to Aahu and better. They come to Hawaii to Aahu and they go, "You're going to search for the they go, "You're going to search for the they go, "You're going to search for the hatch from the TV show Lost." Lost. hatch from the TV show Lost." Lost. hatch from the TV show Lost." Lost. We're going to find the hatch. They have We're going to find the hatch. They have We're going to find the hatch. They have They have I think they had this. We They have I think they had this. We They have I think they had this. We drove by that. Yeah. And press the drove by that. Yeah. And press the drove by that. Yeah. And press the button. Press the numbers, right? That's button. Press the numbers, right? That's button. Press the numbers, right? That's right. Yeah. Yeah. They they did fit. right. Yeah. Yeah. They they did fit. right. Yeah. Yeah. They they did fit. They did some filming of Lost there as They did some filming of Lost there as They did some filming of Lost there as well. well. well. to be allowed to go in there and have to to be allowed to go in there and have to to be allowed to go in there and have to press the button.

press the button. press the button. And that's where Moana was inspired was And that's where Moana was inspired was And that's where Moana was inspired was that mountain range. Yeah. Yeah. It's so that mountain range. Yeah. Yeah. It's so that mountain range. Yeah. Yeah. It's so beautiful. Yeah. We were just cliche, beautiful. Yeah. We were just cliche, beautiful. Yeah. We were just cliche, but it was freaking amazing. So now it's but it was freaking amazing. So now it's but it was freaking amazing. So now it's like back to reality, boo. Back to life. like back to reality, boo. Back to life. like back to reality, boo. Back to life. Back to reality. Yeah. Hey guys. Yeah. Back to reality. Yeah. Hey guys. Yeah. Back to reality. Yeah. Hey guys. Yeah. And good to see you guys. Um both you, And good to see you guys. Um both you, And good to see you guys. Um both you, Mark. Um Stephanie, you and uh see you Mark. Um Stephanie, you and uh see you Mark. Um Stephanie, you and uh see you next week. Yeah, we'll see you next week next week. Yeah, we'll see you next week next week. Yeah, we'll see you next week for the big announcement. Jesus, for the big announcement. Jesus, for the big announcement. Jesus, I'm have to jump on just for that. I I'm have to jump on just for that. I I'm have to jump on just for that. I know. Tune in. You need to bring the You know. Tune in. You need to bring the You know. Tune in. You need to bring the You need to bring the the drum, not the need to bring the the drum, not the need to bring the the drum, not the serious news people. And so we know that serious news people. And so we know that serious news people. And so we know that we don't tell you what the big story is. we don't tell you what the big story is. we don't tell you what the big story is. We're going to just do the teaser. We're going to just do the teaser. We're going to just do the teaser. Teaser. Rob, don't you have some bongos? Teaser. Rob, don't you have some bongos? Teaser. Rob, don't you have some bongos? I have bongos. Yeah. Okay. You Somebody I have bongos. Yeah. Okay. You Somebody I have bongos. Yeah. Okay. You Somebody needs to do a drum roll. That's true. M needs to do a drum roll. That's true. M needs to do a drum roll. That's true. M maybe I always think of when I think of maybe I always think of when I think of maybe I always think of when I think of bongos I think of like Matthew McConna bongos I think of like Matthew McConna bongos I think of like Matthew McConna naked stone in his house in Austin naked stone in his house in Austin naked stone in his house in Austin the police come in and he's like playing the police come in and he's like playing the police come in and he's like playing bongos naked stone bongos naked stone bongos naked stone that's that was a classic Matthew that's that was a classic Matthew that's that was a classic Matthew McConnA story that's all I think of when McConnA story that's all I think of when McConnA story that's all I think of when I hear about bongos that's awesome I I hear about bongos that's awesome I I hear about bongos that's awesome I love it I love it oh my god that's so love it I love it oh my god that's so love it I love it oh my god that's so yeah okay Mark do your job all All right. I think Stephanie should all All right. I think Stephanie should take us out. Yeah. Oh, all right. Well, take us out. Yeah. Oh, all right. Well, take us out. Yeah. Oh, all right. Well, it's been so long. I don't even know it's been so long. I don't even know it's been so long. I don't even know where I'm at, where I am. I'm supposed where I'm at, where I am. I'm supposed where I'm at, where I am. I'm supposed to be doing. So, check us out on iotc

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