IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 246 - AI Fatigue (DeepSeek nonsense overload)

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whatever not yeah YouTube won't flag it whatever not yeah YouTube won't flag it as a copyright violation recognizing as a copyright violation recognizing as a copyright violation recognizing that I think that I think that I think yeah we are we are way ahead of the yeah we are we are way ahead of the yeah we are we are way ahead of the curve on all this stuff curve on all this stuff curve on all this stuff I need to get a coffee so I'll be back I need to get a coffee so I'll be back I need to get a coffee so I'll be back in two minutes okay yeah do that yeah in two minutes okay yeah do that yeah in two minutes okay yeah do that yeah people we were singing that's right that people we were singing that's right that people we were singing that's right that was your that was your was your that was your was your that was your moment man wow was wasn't it anyo any moment man wow was wasn't it anyo any moment man wow was wasn't it anyo any who yeah today look at who yeah today look at who yeah today look at this nice awesome love it look at you this nice awesome love it look at you this nice awesome love it look at you guys oh my God I'm such a guys oh my God I'm such a guys oh my God I'm such a loser yeah you are yeah I don't have loser yeah you are yeah I don't have loser yeah you are yeah I don't have mine on but I did look you got to you mine on but I did look you got to you mine on but I did look you got to you got to you got to do the bare minimum got to you got to do the bare minimum got to you got to do the bare minimum which is like I think it's upstairs in a which is like I think it's upstairs in a which is like I think it's upstairs in a somewhere oh but I did I did order a new somewhere oh but I did I did order a new somewhere oh but I did I did order a new elevator kids hoodie so I'm excited to elevator kids hoodie so I'm excited to elevator kids hoodie so I'm excited to see that arrive cool yeah awesome well see that arrive cool yeah awesome well see that arrive cool yeah awesome well why do you kick things off like do you why do you kick things off like do you why do you kick things off like do you the intro and the disclaimer and all the intro and the disclaimer and all the intro and the disclaimer and all that stuff you did L week by the way that stuff you did L week by the way that stuff you did L week by the way welcome to your favorite stock analysis welcome to your favorite stock analysis welcome to your favorite stock analysis show talk about what's going on in show talk about what's going on in show talk about what's going on in business and who's cot and who's not and business and who's cot and who's not and business and who's cot and who's not and who's popping and who's dropping and who's popping and who's dropping and who's popping and who's dropping and who's pumping and who's who's pumping and who's who's pumping and who's dumping all about AI one minute you're dumping all about AI one minute you're dumping all about AI one minute you're at the top of the mountain and the next at the top of the mountain and the next at the top of the mountain and the next minute you're just in the canyon of or minute you're just in the canyon of or minute you're just in the canyon of or in the tra disillusion Amendment because in the tra disillusion Amendment because in the tra disillusion Amendment because someone figured out how to do something someone figured out how to do something someone figured out how to do something cheaper who knows how it's all going to cheaper who knows how it's all going to cheaper who knows how it's all going to play out but there'll be no shortage of

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spend half a trillion dollars building spend half a trillion dollars building data data data centers the following week yeah yeah I centers the following week yeah yeah I centers the following week yeah yeah I know know know one week one week you have Sam Alman you one week one week you have Sam Alman you one week one week you have Sam Alman you know sucking up to Donald Trump and the know sucking up to Donald Trump and the know sucking up to Donald Trump and the next week he's like w w deep next week he's like w w deep next week he's like w w deep seek yeah well you know there there's a seek yeah well you know there there's a seek yeah well you know there there's a lot of folks that are now you know lot of folks that are now you know lot of folks that are now you know trying to play you know the whole well trying to play you know the whole well trying to play you know the whole well you know these the Chinese guys are they you know these the Chinese guys are they you know these the Chinese guys are they how do you trust their numbers how do how do you trust their numbers how do how do you trust their numbers how do you do all this stuff well you know I you do all this stuff well you know I you do all this stuff well you know I think we have to consider that think we have to consider that think we have to consider that Sam mman is in DC right now trying to Sam mman is in DC right now trying to Sam mman is in DC right now trying to you know assert their claim that um deep you know assert their claim that um deep you know assert their claim that um deep seek used distillation to basically you seek used distillation to basically you seek used distillation to basically you know transfer the knowledge of their 40 know transfer the knowledge of their 40 know transfer the knowledge of their 40 model model model to the R1 model which is the the model to the R1 model which is the the model to the R1 model which is the the model that everyone's freaking out about right that everyone's freaking out about right that everyone's freaking out about right right so if there wasn't anything right so if there wasn't anything right so if there wasn't anything material there um I don't think he'd be material there um I don't think he'd be material there um I don't think he'd be in DC whining which is what it is right in DC whining which is what it is right in DC whining which is what it is right but like whether or not that's the case but like whether or not that's the case but like whether or not that's the case why does it matter anyways like it they why does it matter anyways like it they why does it matter anyways like it they the model is out like what what can the model is out like what what can the model is out like what what can anyone do well you can argue that open anyone do well you can argue that open anyone do well you can argue that open AI generated their model off of kind of AI generated their model off of kind of AI generated their model off of kind of uh copyrighted content so's yeah and uh copyrighted content so's yeah and uh copyrighted content so's yeah and China will care because exactly someone China will care because exactly someone China will care because exactly someone took that model and created another took that model and created another took that model and created another model and so I don't know on and on model and so I don't know on and on model and so I don't know on and on right exposing a little bit of hypocrisy

right exposing a little bit of hypocrisy right exposing a little bit of hypocrisy I suppose even if it's even if it's true I suppose even if it's even if it's true I suppose even if it's even if it's true which has not been verified so a little which has not been verified so a little which has not been verified so a little kind of the rumor just a little bit of kind of the rumor just a little bit of kind of the rumor just a little bit of hypocrisy a little bit just a little bit hypocrisy a little bit just a little bit hypocrisy a little bit just a little bit now I think the big the big news is this now I think the big the big news is this now I think the big the big news is this is about like you know Innovation is is about like you know Innovation is is about like you know Innovation is driven by constraints and that's what driven by constraints and that's what driven by constraints and that's what this whole story is about when you have this whole story is about when you have this whole story is about when you have constraints you you innovate I mean look constraints you you innovate I mean look constraints you you innovate I mean look at Gilligan's Island with the professor at Gilligan's Island with the professor at Gilligan's Island with the professor I mean he built a radio out of coconuts I mean he built a radio out of coconuts I mean he built a radio out of coconuts I I I mean it's amazing so you know next I bet mean it's amazing so you know next I bet mean it's amazing so you know next I bet you if Gilligan Z was on today he'd you if Gilligan Z was on today he'd you if Gilligan Z was on today he'd build he'd build a a large language build he'd build a a large language build he'd build a a large language coconuts coconuts and PM frons and he'd coconuts coconuts and PM frons and he'd coconuts coconuts and PM frons and he'd have a he'd have a whole rack of Nvidia have a he'd have a whole rack of Nvidia have a he'd have a whole rack of Nvidia h100s running there yeah no question h100s running there yeah no question h100s running there yeah no question it's where the original silicon came it's where the original silicon came it's where the original silicon came from is all the sand on the deserted from is all the sand on the deserted from is all the sand on the deserted island that they were that's true yeah island that they were that's true yeah island that they were that's true yeah the pal PR the Coconuts yeah so that's the pal PR the Coconuts yeah so that's the pal PR the Coconuts yeah so that's it Innovation is from just happened it Innovation is from just happened it Innovation is from just happened exactly boom wow it didn't just happened exactly boom wow it didn't just happened exactly boom wow it didn't just happened I mean it's been in it's been brewing in I mean it's been in it's been brewing in I mean it's been in it's been brewing in the works for a bit but I uh I I thought the works for a bit but I uh I I thought the works for a bit but I uh I I thought it was very interesting the timing of of it was very interesting the timing of of it was very interesting the timing of of of their you know bursting out on the of their you know bursting out on the of their you know bursting out on the scene so I thought to me I find it quite scene so I thought to me I find it quite scene so I thought to me I find it quite hilarious so it just makes me laugh yeah hilarious so it just makes me laugh yeah hilarious so it just makes me laugh yeah it is pretty funny and you're right it is pretty funny and you're right it is pretty funny and you're right because it's not just deep seek now because it's not just deep seek now because it's not just deep seek now Alibaba has their quen new quen model Alibaba has their quen new quen model Alibaba has their quen new quen model out and that they now they claim that out and that they now they claim that out and that they now they claim that they they're faster cheaper you know and they they're faster cheaper you know and they they're faster cheaper you know and then um yeah what was it like a few

then um yeah what was it like a few then um yeah what was it like a few about a month ago or two months ago the about a month ago or two months ago the about a month ago or two months ago the Chinese you know they did a test flight Chinese you know they did a test flight Chinese you know they did a test flight or some kind of flight of their sixth or some kind of flight of their sixth or some kind of flight of their sixth generation Fighters they apparently have generation Fighters they apparently have generation Fighters they apparently have two of them one is a fighter bomber and two of them one is a fighter bomber and two of them one is a fighter bomber and another one is a um is a smaller I I another one is a um is a smaller I I another one is a um is a smaller I I guess tactical guess tactical guess tactical fighter so I don't know they're just fighter so I don't know they're just fighter so I don't know they're just kind of and the high speed kind of and the high speed kind of and the high speed train high speed train right hey we have train high speed train right hey we have train high speed train right hey we have light rail in Belleview now I mean light rail in Belleview now I mean light rail in Belleview now I mean that's kind of like the high-speed train that's kind of like the high-speed train that's kind of like the high-speed train isn't it that's pretty cool is that the isn't it that's pretty cool is that the isn't it that's pretty cool is that the same thing I'm not sure I go from I can same thing I'm not sure I go from I can same thing I'm not sure I go from I can go from Microsoft campus to downtown go from Microsoft campus to downtown go from Microsoft campus to downtown belfie on a train it's pretty amazing is belfie on a train it's pretty amazing is belfie on a train it's pretty amazing is it a it a it a maglev probably is rails yeah but you know what I'm you is rails yeah but you know what I'm you know we're all mostly American except know we're all mostly American except know we're all mostly American except for Olivier and Tom I am you are okay for Olivier and Tom I am you are okay for Olivier and Tom I am you are okay what I what I what I couldn't hey now couldn't hey now couldn't hey now but but I kept an but but I kept an but but I kept an option option option optionality FR lets you keep most optionality FR lets you keep most optionality FR lets you keep most citizenship so okay wow yeah it'll make citizenship so okay wow yeah it'll make citizenship so okay wow yeah it'll make you burn your old passport on camera you burn your old passport on camera you burn your old passport on camera where I would definitely defend us where I would definitely defend us where I would definitely defend us against France in case of a conflict but against France in case of a conflict but against France in case of a conflict but uh I think I'm pretty safe on that side uh I think I'm pretty safe on that side uh I think I'm pretty safe on that side I just saw blur blast night that macron I just saw blur blast night that macron I just saw blur blast night that macron will defend Greenland with French troops internet lines have been

internet lines have been [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] drawn but I want to know Tom I mean what drawn but I want to know Tom I mean what drawn but I want to know Tom I mean what do you think because you know we're all do you think because you know we're all do you think because you know we're all obviously all enthralled with this like obviously all enthralled with this like obviously all enthralled with this like AI you know freaking crap show that's AI you know freaking crap show that's AI you know freaking crap show that's happening what are you guys thinking happening what are you guys thinking happening what are you guys thinking what are you guys seeing how's like the what are you guys seeing how's like the what are you guys seeing how's like the the British how's the BBC reacting to the British how's the BBC reacting to the British how's the BBC reacting to all stuff well yeah I mean the BBC's come stuff well yeah I mean the BBC's come under a lot of stick recently right um under a lot of stick recently right um under a lot of stick recently right um with Elon and and various posts um that with Elon and and various posts um that with Elon and and various posts um that have come out I think the thing is it's have come out I think the thing is it's have come out I think the thing is it's it's the same if it's not AI it's the it's the same if it's not AI it's the it's the same if it's not AI it's the whole China us and us just watching the whole China us and us just watching the whole China us and us just watching the battle commencing online right it battle commencing online right it battle commencing online right it doesn't have to be AI it's just AI today doesn't have to be AI it's just AI today doesn't have to be AI it's just AI today it's going to be something else tomorrow it's going to be something else tomorrow it's going to be something else tomorrow yeah um I think that's our view uh um yeah um I think that's our view uh um yeah um I think that's our view uh um but yeah I mean I I get the hypocrisy but yeah I mean I I get the hypocrisy but yeah I mean I I get the hypocrisy thing um but everyone's copying everyone thing um but everyone's copying everyone thing um but everyone's copying everyone anyway it's just whether or not they are anyway it's just whether or not they are anyway it's just whether or not they are open with it in my view yeah yeah that's open with it in my view yeah yeah that's open with it in my view yeah yeah that's true that's true I mean allow remixing true that's true I mean allow remixing true that's true I mean allow remixing allow remixing yes yeah exactly they allow remixing yes yeah exactly they allow remixing yes yeah exactly they call it duet don't they on Tik Tok or call it duet don't they on Tik Tok or call it duet don't they on Tik Tok or something I don't know yeah you're the something I don't know yeah you're the something I don't know yeah you're the Tik tocker I'm the tick tocker it it Tik tocker I'm the tick tocker it it Tik tocker I'm the tick tocker it it does beg the question about you know does beg the question about you know does beg the question about you know intellectual intellectual properties intellectual intellectual properties intellectual intellectual properties like should it should all of that that like should it should all of that that like should it should all of that that training data be open sourced and and training data be open sourced and and training data be open sourced and and available to everyone to innovate available to everyone to innovate available to everyone to innovate versus versus trying to lock it down so

versus versus trying to lock it down so versus versus trying to lock it down so what will happen at the end of the day what will happen at the end of the day what will happen at the end of the day so who does it benefit apart from some so who does it benefit apart from some so who does it benefit apart from some big companies in the US to lock down big companies in the US to lock down big companies in the US to lock down this information and this data because this information and this data because this information and this data because most of it is public actually by the most of it is public actually by the most of it is public actually by the way yeah yeah the methods are yeah way yeah yeah the methods are yeah way yeah yeah the methods are yeah you're right some a lot of the data sets you're right some a lot of the data sets you're right some a lot of the data sets the training data sets are you know the training data sets are you know the training data sets are you know they're efforts to standardize them yeah they're efforts to standardize them yeah they're efforts to standardize them yeah definitely and and and at the end of the definitely and and and at the end of the definitely and and and at the end of the day yes I understand the the amount of day yes I understand the the amount of day yes I understand the the amount of money that's been invested in inventing money that's been invested in inventing money that's been invested in inventing the models and and training the models the models and and training the models the models and and training the models and and and whatever but you know um the concept of whatever but you know um the concept of whatever but you know um the concept of light has been invented by someone but light has been invented by someone but light has been invented by someone but you know anyone can build a light bulb you know anyone can build a light bulb you know anyone can build a light bulb now at the end of the day and that's now at the end of the day and that's now at the end of the day and that's that's what the light bulb is useful for that's what the light bulb is useful for that's what the light bulb is useful for that is interesting I think and and that is interesting I think and and that is interesting I think and and adding value by crafting the right adding value by crafting the right adding value by crafting the right models to implement the right solution models to implement the right solution models to implement the right solution to me is more important than trying to to me is more important than trying to to me is more important than trying to defend or make money or royalties defend or make money or royalties defend or make money or royalties whatever on that training data um yeah whatever on that training data um yeah whatever on that training data um yeah that's where all the investment has gone that's where all the investment has gone that's where all the investment has gone right I know and that that's that right I know and that that's that right I know and that that's that that's too bad but what I mean like that's too bad but what I mean like that's too bad but what I mean like someone has to do it at the beginning someone has to do it at the beginning someone has to do it at the beginning right someone has to invest to to to right someone has to invest to to to right someone has to invest to to to create that but then should shouldn't create that but then should shouldn't create that but then should shouldn't that be something that and that's you that be something that and that's you that be something that and that's you know I I love open source models when know I I love open source models when know I I love open source models when they're well done and and when they they're well done and and when they they're well done and and when they serve serve a bigger purpose and and serve serve a bigger purpose and and serve serve a bigger purpose and and here I think our interest everyone

here I think our interest everyone here I think our interest everyone everyone like around the world is that everyone like around the world is that everyone like around the world is that AI is developed in a in a good way and AI is developed in a in a good way and AI is developed in a in a good way and and I I don't know I mean I don't know and I I don't know I mean I don't know and I I don't know I mean I don't know I'm just like throwing that out there I I'm just like throwing that out there I I'm just like throwing that out there I think you think you think you know I mean because you're right just a know I mean because you're right just a know I mean because you're right just a few weeks AO few weeks ago before this few weeks AO few weeks ago before this few weeks AO few weeks ago before this generative AI thing happened we were generative AI thing happened we were generative AI thing happened we were training LML models with welldefined training LML models with welldefined training LML models with welldefined data sets that are all open to the data sets that are all open to the data sets that are all open to the public that's how you do it you download public that's how you do it you download public that's how you do it you download the training model for predictive the training model for predictive the training model for predictive maintenance or object detection or maintenance or object detection or maintenance or object detection or whatever and you train your ml model and whatever and you train your ml model and whatever and you train your ml model and Magic happens and that's how we do it Magic happens and that's how we do it Magic happens and that's how we do it and that's how we've been advancing and and that's how we've been advancing and and that's how we've been advancing and this is you know those Edge AI guys who this is you know those Edge AI guys who this is you know those Edge AI guys who previously were tiny ml are doing the previously were tiny ml are doing the previously were tiny ml are doing the exact same thing for all these years exact same thing for all these years exact same thing for all these years just on microcontrollers right and so just on microcontrollers right and so just on microcontrollers right and so why would the big fat giant llm stuff be why would the big fat giant llm stuff be why would the big fat giant llm stuff be any different you know yeah yeah you any different you know yeah yeah you any different you know yeah yeah you know there's a lot of know there's a lot of know there's a lot of talk about the commoditization all of a talk about the commoditization all of a talk about the commoditization all of a sudden this thing that people thinks is sudden this thing that people thinks is sudden this thing that people thinks is worth so much money might be the biggest worth so much money might be the biggest worth so much money might be the biggest commodity in the world um you know so commodity in the world um you know so commodity in the world um you know so our good friend Kaiu Lee is kind of just our good friend Kaiu Lee is kind of just our good friend Kaiu Lee is kind of just saying you know what it's going to still saying you know what it's going to still saying you know what it's going to still be about who has the most data wins um be about who has the most data wins um be about who has the most data wins um because the models are all going to because the models are all going to because the models are all going to become a commodity the technology is become a commodity the technology is become a commodity the technology is well known to train them and all that well known to train them and all that well known to train them and all that stuff it's now who has the most data and stuff it's now who has the most data and stuff it's now who has the most data and the best data and all that kind of stuff the best data and all that kind of stuff the best data and all that kind of stuff which really weird and interesting but I which really weird and interesting but I which really weird and interesting but I can see his point of view I think you can see his point of view I think you can see his point of view I think you really depends because you know here's really depends because you know here's really depends because you know here's one of the things that

one of the things that one of the things that people might have been distracted from people might have been distracted from people might have been distracted from is that the the I think the bigger deal is that the the I think the bigger deal is that the the I think the bigger deal is deep seek their is deep seek their is deep seek their V3 model which is their base model V3 model which is their base model V3 model which is their base model that's a foundation model and and no one that's a foundation model and and no one that's a foundation model and and no one everyone seems to ignore that um I think everyone seems to ignore that um I think everyone seems to ignore that um I think that is a big that is a big that is a big deal deal deal the um post the um post the um post training that's where also a lot of training that's where also a lot of training that's where also a lot of innovation happened but I think these innovation happened but I think these innovation happened but I think these guys didn't just look at post training guys didn't just look at post training guys didn't just look at post training for Innovation they looked at the data for Innovation they looked at the data for Innovation they looked at the data sets because it you know having quality sets because it you know having quality sets because it you know having quality data quality tokens is a a huge thing data quality tokens is a a huge thing data quality tokens is a a huge thing right so if you have very very high right so if you have very very high right so if you have very very high value High you know high quality tokens value High you know high quality tokens value High you know high quality tokens then um you can basically develop a then um you can basically develop a then um you can basically develop a system uh that is efficient in doing system uh that is efficient in doing system uh that is efficient in doing that whole chain of training right from that whole chain of training right from that whole chain of training right from pre all the way to um to um you know pre all the way to um to um you know pre all the way to um to um you know basically uh the the distillation basically uh the the distillation basically uh the the distillation process or the all the post trainining process or the all the post trainining process or the all the post trainining stuff so um and we have to remember stuff so um and we have to remember stuff so um and we have to remember there there's that method that you can there there's that method that you can there there's that method that you can use the algorithms and then there's the use the algorithms and then there's the use the algorithms and then there's the underlying system that supports that underlying system that supports that underlying system that supports that whole process and so there's there's whole process and so there's there's whole process and so there's there's there's the process that can be there's the process that can be there's the process that can be optimized and also the system that stack optimized and also the system that stack optimized and also the system that stack that can be optimized to support that

that can be optimized to support that that can be optimized to support that process and then there's that data data process and then there's that data data process and then there's that data data Factor right the data quality so um I Factor right the data quality so um I Factor right the data quality so um I don't I don't think having the most data don't I don't think having the most data don't I don't think having the most data is what helps you know is going to you is what helps you know is going to you is what helps you know is going to you know uh help people win it's having the know uh help people win it's having the know uh help people win it's having the best best best data you know for whatever it is that data you know for whatever it is that data you know for whatever it is that you're trying to do um because quality you're trying to do um because quality you're trying to do um because quality reliability is the biggest issue that's reliability is the biggest issue that's reliability is the biggest issue that's primary source of U probably the primary primary source of U probably the primary primary source of U probably the primary source of hallucinations I don't think source of hallucinations I don't think source of hallucinations I don't think anyone really anyone really anyone really knows um you know yeah everyone's knows um you know yeah everyone's knows um you know yeah everyone's guessing on how you eliminate guessing on how you eliminate guessing on how you eliminate hallucinations which probably is is hallucinations which probably is is hallucinations which probably is is never going to happen in all likelihood never going to happen in all likelihood never going to happen in all likelihood just not statistically possible just not statistically possible just not statistically possible right I don't know most well people like right I don't know most well people like right I don't know most well people like me I don't care about the data I want me I don't care about the data I want me I don't care about the data I want the model right I want the capability to the model right I want the capability to the model right I want the capability to do what I want right so I don't care do what I want right so I don't care do what I want right so I don't care about the million c videos that you put about the million c videos that you put about the million c videos that you put in there like you care about that in there like you care about that in there like you care about that because you want like you know more wide because you want like you know more wide because you want like you know more wide adoption or more people to actually use adoption or more people to actually use adoption or more people to actually use stuff that's in the model where I just stuff that's in the model where I just stuff that's in the model where I just want the you know I want the the Swiss want the you know I want the the Swiss want the you know I want the the Swiss army knife so that I can use it the way army knife so that I can use it the way army knife so that I can use it the way that I want on data that I care about so that I want on data that I care about so that I want on data that I care about so to me one of the big things about deep to me one of the big things about deep to me one of the big things about deep sea which uh I think is one of the parts sea which uh I think is one of the parts sea which uh I think is one of the parts that is getting people really upset is that is getting people really upset is that is getting people really upset is that people can actually install it on that people can actually install it on that people can actually install it on their own systems and and and work with their own systems and and and work with their own systems and and and work with it so that's that's what these these

it so that's that's what these these it so that's that's what these these other big tech people didn't want so other big tech people didn't want so other big tech people didn't want so what they what what is happening now is what they what what is happening now is what they what what is happening now is that compute has evolved in such a way that compute has evolved in such a way that compute has evolved in such a way where there are things that we can do on where there are things that we can do on where there are things that we can do on device right yeah these big models they device right yeah these big models they device right yeah these big models they want you to do they want you to to be want you to do they want you to to be want you to do they want you to to be part of their huge cauldron of part of their huge cauldron of part of their huge cauldron of information and they want you to go information and they want you to go information and they want you to go online they want you to be in the cloud online they want you to be in the cloud online they want you to be in the cloud and all this stuff so that's what they and all this stuff so that's what they and all this stuff so that's what they didn't want so that's to me that's the didn't want so that's to me that's the didn't want so that's to me that's the thing they're super pissed off about uh thing they're super pissed off about uh thing they're super pissed off about uh deep seek cuz they're like hey you know deep seek cuz they're like hey you know deep seek cuz they're like hey you know not only can you have these capabilities not only can you have these capabilities not only can you have these capabilities but you don't have to be in someone's but you don't have to be in someone's but you don't have to be in someone's Cloud you can be on or your device or Cloud you can be on or your device or Cloud you can be on or your device or your computer yeah Microsoft published your computer yeah Microsoft published your computer yeah Microsoft published uh kind of a how-to on how to install uh kind of a how-to on how to install uh kind of a how-to on how to install deep seek on your Copa plus PCS on a deep seek on your Copa plus PCS on a deep seek on your Copa plus PCS on a Qualcomm platform uh just a couple days Qualcomm platform uh just a couple days Qualcomm platform uh just a couple days ago and yeah it's like hes out of The ago and yeah it's like hes out of The ago and yeah it's like hes out of The Barn at this point well it's like a Barn at this point well it's like a Barn at this point well it's like a whatever um what do you call um I think whatever um what do you call um I think whatever um what do you call um I think it's like a 7 billion parameter it's like a 7 billion parameter it's like a 7 billion parameter distilled model right yeah yeah but you distilled model right yeah yeah but you distilled model right yeah yeah but you know it all migrates to the edge I know know it all migrates to the edge I know know it all migrates to the edge I know I'm biased but uh you know it all starts I'm biased but uh you know it all starts I'm biased but uh you know it all starts in the cloud but people want it less in the cloud but people want it less in the cloud but people want it less expensive more control privacy expensive more control privacy expensive more control privacy B 2025 is the year of AG B 2025 is the year of AG B 2025 is the year of AG yes you need a really really fat Edge yes you need a really really fat Edge yes you need a really really fat Edge you could try a private you could try a private you could try a private Cloud true on Prem near Prem yeah fat Cloud true on Prem near Prem yeah fat Cloud true on Prem near Prem yeah fat Edge thin Edge hey that's cooling on Edge thin Edge hey that's cooling on Edge thin Edge hey that's cooling on those servers please yeah yeah that's

those servers please yeah yeah that's those servers please yeah yeah that's really good well you know speaking of uh really good well you know speaking of uh really good well you know speaking of uh stuff you can download you know stuff you can download you know stuff you can download you know obviously there been llama the whole obviously there been llama the whole obviously there been llama the whole time and you know they you know Zach's time and you know they you know Zach's time and you know they you know Zach's been pushing to make to you know surpass been pushing to make to you know surpass been pushing to make to you know surpass everybody else um as far as open source everybody else um as far as open source everybody else um as far as open source uh and they keep marching on um I don't uh and they keep marching on um I don't uh and they keep marching on um I don't know if you saw this morning in geekwire know if you saw this morning in geekwire know if you saw this morning in geekwire reported here back in the Seattle area reported here back in the Seattle area reported here back in the Seattle area uh the Allen Institute for AI so you uh the Allen Institute for AI so you uh the Allen Institute for AI so you know Paul Allen's group they just know Paul Allen's group they just know Paul Allen's group they just released an update to their Mega giant released an update to their Mega giant released an update to their Mega giant model that was like model that was like model that was like 430 billion parameters just 430 billion parameters just 430 billion parameters just giant yeah and it and it's supposed to giant yeah and it and it's supposed to giant yeah and it and it's supposed to be better than all the be better than all the be better than all the others according to the press release um others according to the press release um others according to the press release um but it's huge obviously yeah I don't but it's huge obviously yeah I don't but it's huge obviously yeah I don't know I I this is what I think okay I know I I this is what I think okay I know I I this is what I think okay I want your thoughts on this so at some want your thoughts on this so at some want your thoughts on this so at some point I feel like where we should be point I feel like where we should be point I feel like where we should be going with AI almost needs to be like going with AI almost needs to be like going with AI almost needs to be like the way globally we deal with like the way globally we deal with like the way globally we deal with like Aviation or space right where there's Aviation or space right where there's Aviation or space right where there's more more more collaboration right where we like you collaboration right where we like you collaboration right where we like you know it's not like us against them it's know it's not like us against them it's know it's not like us against them it's like hey you do something different I do like hey you do something different I do like hey you do something different I do something different we can learn from something different we can learn from something different we can learn from each other um each other um each other um you know we can all make money instead you know we can all make money instead you know we can all make money instead of winter takes all or you know uh you of winter takes all or you know uh you of winter takes all or you know uh you know who has the F first mover advantage know who has the F first mover advantage know who has the F first mover advantage and all the other type of stuff so I and all the other type of stuff so I and all the other type of stuff so I hope to see more of that instead that's a love that's a lovely

instead that's a love that's a lovely view Debbie I view Debbie I view Debbie I think a bit a bit utopian though right I think a bit a bit utopian though right I think a bit a bit utopian though right I think at some point gonna join Hands think at some point gonna join Hands think at some point gonna join Hands Across the world together yeah well Across the world together yeah well Across the world together yeah well but I mean think about satellites think but I mean think about satellites think but I mean think about satellites think about satellites so these people they about satellites so these people they about satellites so these people they aren't like you know they're they're aren't like you know they're they're aren't like you know they're they're they have to collaborate right in order they have to collaborate right in order they have to collaborate right in order to do things in space so I think there to do things in space so I think there to do things in space so I think there has to be some level of that well they has to be some level of that well they has to be some level of that well they also get a ton of government funding I also get a ton of government funding I also get a ton of government funding I mean you know you let's be real um mean you know you let's be real um mean you know you let's be real um starlink you know I saw a recent article starlink you know I saw a recent article starlink you know I saw a recent article about how the US military is looking uh about how the US military is looking uh about how the US military is looking uh at um satellite defense me meaning how at um satellite defense me meaning how at um satellite defense me meaning how do you how do you protect these do you how do you protect these do you how do you protect these satellite assets sure attack because satellite assets sure attack because satellite assets sure attack because what the chines actually what it's what the chines actually what it's what the chines actually what it's called space force space force Star Wars called space force space force Star Wars called space force space force Star Wars remember Star Wars Star Wars was a real remember Star Wars Star Wars was a real remember Star Wars Star Wars was a real thing in the thing in the thing in the 80s up yeah and and I I think the 80s up yeah and and I I think the 80s up yeah and and I I think the utopian stuff is utopian stuff is utopian stuff is is it's a a residue for the dystopian is it's a a residue for the dystopian is it's a a residue for the dystopian stuff right because this infrastructure stuff right because this infrastructure stuff right because this infrastructure PlayStation it it is great for what PlayStation it it is great for what PlayStation it it is great for what we've seen it do in the we've seen it do in the we've seen it do in the Ukraine and certain targeted parts of Ukraine and certain targeted parts of Ukraine and certain targeted parts of Russia right that's what it's really Russia right that's what it's really Russia right that's what it's really good for um and you know and so the good for um and you know and so the good for um and you know and so the Chinese aren't dumb you know they're not

Chinese aren't dumb you know they're not Chinese aren't dumb you know they're not ignorant uh to that fact and I I think ignorant uh to that fact and I I think ignorant uh to that fact and I I think with a lot of these massive Investments with a lot of these massive Investments with a lot of these massive Investments going into model making it's to benefit going into model making it's to benefit going into model making it's to benefit a few people like financial institutions a few people like financial institutions a few people like financial institutions that want to use this to somehow get an that want to use this to somehow get an that want to use this to somehow get an edge on other folks so we've talked edge on other folks so we've talked edge on other folks so we've talked about on iot Coffee Talk a long time ago about on iot Coffee Talk a long time ago about on iot Coffee Talk a long time ago why why would anyone do this and dump why why would anyone do this and dump why why would anyone do this and dump billions of dollars into um training billions of dollars into um training billions of dollars into um training these models it it's not for you know these models it it's not for you know these models it it's not for you know utopian utopian utopian purposes uh it's actually for a pretty purposes uh it's actually for a pretty purposes uh it's actually for a pretty selfish P purpose but the residuals that selfish P purpose but the residuals that selfish P purpose but the residuals that come off of that is what kind of I don't come off of that is what kind of I don't come off of that is what kind of I don't know H you know kind of hydrates a um know H you know kind of hydrates a um know H you know kind of hydrates a um you know whatever you know whatever you know whatever Utopia can be um realized you know and I Utopia can be um realized you know and I Utopia can be um realized you know and I don't think it's all that don't think it's all that don't think it's all that much you much you much you know like Utopia like I can't think of know like Utopia like I can't think of know like Utopia like I can't think of anything else I I can't imagine it's be anything else I I can't imagine it's be anything else I I can't imagine it's be to democratize everything and then have to democratize everything and then have to democratize everything and then have create a even a playing field I think create a even a playing field I think create a even a playing field I think that's that's pretty delusional I think the thing is it's all about I think the thing is it's all about greed right you know this is I think AI greed right you know this is I think AI greed right you know this is I think AI really is just a politics tool right now really is just a politics tool right now really is just a politics tool right now you know like it kind of it's just going you know like it kind of it's just going you know like it kind of it's just going to get worse um I remember wasn't there to get worse um I remember wasn't there to get worse um I remember wasn't there going to be this open letter as well going to be this open letter as well going to be this open letter as well that that went out and people tried to that that went out and people tried to that that went out and people tried to kind of pause and and say actually let's

kind of pause and and say actually let's kind of pause and and say actually let's let's look at the the implications that let's look at the the implications that let's look at the the implications that kind of went out the window right um kind of went out the window right um kind of went out the window right um whenever that was like six n months ago whenever that was like six n months ago whenever that was like six n months ago Elon Musk way back in yeah wasn't it Elon Musk way back in yeah wasn't it Elon Musk way back in yeah wasn't it yeah there was a group wasn't there of yeah there was a group wasn't there of yeah there was a group wasn't there of people that kind of said okay we need to people that kind of said okay we need to people that kind of said okay we need to we need to look at this um but yeah I we need to look at this um but yeah I we need to look at this um but yeah I don't know I think I like Debbie's point don't know I think I like Debbie's point don't know I think I like Debbie's point it's just it's just whether or not yeah it's just it's just whether or not yeah it's just it's just whether or not yeah it's just whether or not that's actually it's just whether or not that's actually it's just whether or not that's actually going to be the case right um yeah I do going to be the case right um yeah I do going to be the case right um yeah I do remember the pause discussion and the remember the pause discussion and the remember the pause discussion and the letter and a lot of talk and we should letter and a lot of talk and we should letter and a lot of talk and we should pause and then someone goes the Chinese pause and then someone goes the Chinese pause and then someone goes the Chinese aren't going to aren't going to aren't going to pause and so if we pause and they don't pause and so if we pause and they don't pause and so if we pause and they don't pause how does this play out and then pause how does this play out and then pause how does this play out and then all of a sudden all of a sudden all of a sudden Checkmate yeah but maybe that was just Checkmate yeah but maybe that was just Checkmate yeah but maybe that was just propaganda maybe no one asked the propaganda maybe no one asked the propaganda maybe no one asked the Chinese right maybe maybe they just Chinese right maybe maybe they just Chinese right maybe maybe they just assumed yeah maybe hey yeah you know we assumed yeah maybe hey yeah you know we assumed yeah maybe hey yeah you know we have lots of Talking Heads on TV who are have lots of Talking Heads on TV who are have lots of Talking Heads on TV who are like but you know like but you know like but you know yeah yeah I decided to learn cantones in yeah yeah I decided to learn cantones in yeah yeah I decided to learn cantones in 2025 probably good 2025 probably good 2025 probably good plan for deep seek yeah oh my God plan for deep seek yeah oh my God plan for deep seek yeah oh my God naturally exactly yeah I think I'm naturally exactly yeah I think I'm naturally exactly yeah I think I'm getting in trouble that's not the right getting in trouble that's not the right getting in trouble that's not the right uh right regime to make this kind of uh right regime to make this kind of uh right regime to make this kind of jokes online when you have du jokes online when you have du jokes online when you have du citizenship and I double check yeah citizenship and I double check yeah citizenship and I double check yeah France did say that it will send troop France did say that it will send troop France did say that it will send troop to to to Greenland it's real really it's real wow Greenland it's real really it's real wow Greenland it's real really it's real wow but I think getting to Debbie's Point

but I think getting to Debbie's Point but I think getting to Debbie's Point like there would be it would be ideal like there would be it would be ideal like there would be it would be ideal like sort of like uh I can't like you like sort of like uh I can't like you like sort of like uh I can't like you know internet addressing and these other know internet addressing and these other know internet addressing and these other sort of governing bodies it would be sort of governing bodies it would be sort of governing bodies it would be nice have some sort of nice have some sort of nice have some sort of governing worldwide governing Council on governing worldwide governing Council on governing worldwide governing Council on AI where there's some basic kind of AI where there's some basic kind of AI where there's some basic kind of Assam off Laws of Robotics kind of stuff Assam off Laws of Robotics kind of stuff Assam off Laws of Robotics kind of stuff where everyone's like we are going to where everyone's like we are going to where everyone's like we are going to fit in this framework somehow but you fit in this framework somehow but you fit in this framework somehow but you know maybe it's too late maybe that's know maybe it's too late maybe that's know maybe it's too late maybe that's you know but it' be nice if there was you know but it' be nice if there was you know but it' be nice if there was some sort of global maybe it's gonna some sort of global maybe it's gonna some sort of global maybe it's gonna have to come from Academia I don't know have to come from Academia I don't know have to come from Academia I don't know but maybe it has to start at the but maybe it has to start at the but maybe it has to start at the edge that's true you just found a TI you edge that's true you just found a TI you edge that's true you just found a TI you so think about it like Pete by jokes so think about it like Pete by jokes so think about it like Pete by jokes jokes aside the the AI part is where AI jokes aside the the AI part is where AI jokes aside the the AI part is where AI will have control over or or be in touch will have control over or or be in touch will have control over or or be in touch with the real world physical yes with the real world physical yes with the real world physical yes physical physical world right and that's physical physical world right and that's physical physical world right and that's that's that's what AI is about it's that's that's what AI is about it's that's that's what AI is about it's about being a portal for digital to to about being a portal for digital to to about being a portal for digital to to sense and interact with a physical world sense and interact with a physical world sense and interact with a physical world and so and so that certainly is where and so and so that certainly is where and so and so that certainly is where you need to have the most you know you need to have the most you know you need to have the most you know controlled environment and uh and controlled environment and uh and controlled environment and uh and certainly regulated environment for this certainly regulated environment for this certainly regulated environment for this yeah maybe there' be some agreed upon yeah maybe there' be some agreed upon yeah maybe there' be some agreed upon principles for all companies working on principles for all companies working on principles for all companies working on the edge around AI if there was only an the edge around AI if there was only an the edge around AI if there was only an organization that was working with all organization that was working with all organization that was working with all those companies that would only how does those companies that would only how does those companies that would only how does that stuff work you know I keep hearing that stuff work you know I keep hearing that stuff work you know I keep hearing people saying we're going to be doing people saying we're going to be doing people saying we're going to be doing all our inference at the all our inference at the all our inference at the edge how does that work because edge how does that work because edge how does that work because inference still has to go directly

inference still has to go directly inference still has to go directly against the big the against the big the against the big the model are you putting the model on the model are you putting the model on the model are you putting the model on the in the memory of your microcontrol or in the memory of your microcontrol or in the memory of your microcontrol or what are you talking about here yeah so what are you talking about here yeah so what are you talking about here yeah so what and and Pete like maybe you have what and and Pete like maybe you have what and and Pete like maybe you have like um your own definition but Rob like um your own definition but Rob like um your own definition but Rob think of it as uh you know where where a think of it as uh you know where where a think of it as uh you know where where a big huge language model has like big huge language model has like big huge language model has like billions of parameters like think of billions of parameters like think of billions of parameters like think of something that uh you know runs a uh an something that uh you know runs a uh an something that uh you know runs a uh an neural network on way less parameters neural network on way less parameters neural network on way less parameters but but really dedicated to specific but but really dedicated to specific but but really dedicated to specific scenario and use cases and so on so you scenario and use cases and so on so you scenario and use cases and so on so you basically trimmed things down to being basically trimmed things down to being basically trimmed things down to being like single functional and and analyzing like single functional and and analyzing like single functional and and analyzing a a set of data is like that is way a a set of data is like that is way a a set of data is like that is way smaller and you get to a model that is smaller and you get to a model that is smaller and you get to a model that is way smaller as well that you can run on way smaller as well that you can run on way smaller as well that you can run on tinier Hardware so right um I I also tinier Hardware so right um I I also tinier Hardware so right um I I also there there's some very Innovative guys there there's some very Innovative guys there there's some very Innovative guys out there newon AI is an interesting out there newon AI is an interesting out there newon AI is an interesting company that is looking at um changing company that is looking at um changing company that is looking at um changing the way neural networks are trained or the way neural networks are trained or the way neural networks are trained or or they train themselves uh and to they or they train themselves uh and to they or they train themselves uh and to they will reduce the size of these models will reduce the size of these models will reduce the size of these models even even lower so like for doing the even even lower so like for doing the even even lower so like for doing the same task and looking at the tens of same task and looking at the tens of same task and looking at the tens of slow model has been optimized uh all the slow model has been optimized uh all the slow model has been optimized uh all the way down and they do 10 times smaller way down and they do 10 times smaller way down and they do 10 times smaller for 100 times faster and and that's for 100 times faster and and that's for 100 times faster and and that's impressive and then Innovation is going impressive and then Innovation is going impressive and then Innovation is going really fast in that domain so to be to really fast in that domain so to be to really fast in that domain so to be to be blunt you know it's it's smart be blunt you know it's it's smart be blunt you know it's it's smart software at d a day inputs outputs right software at d a day inputs outputs right software at d a day inputs outputs right remember um that's that's what software remember um that's that's what software remember um that's that's what software is about uh it's just a bit smarter and is about uh it's just a bit smarter and is about uh it's just a bit smarter and and a way of um developing and compiling

and a way of um developing and compiling and a way of um developing and compiling the code that is U more optimized than the code that is U more optimized than the code that is U more optimized than ever but uh that that's one part of it ever but uh that that's one part of it ever but uh that that's one part of it the second part to me is a distribution the second part to me is a distribution the second part to me is a distribution of the of the of the intelligence uh you know a system like intelligence uh you know a system like intelligence uh you know a system like your body is yes one brain that controls your body is yes one brain that controls your body is yes one brain that controls everything too bad you know when that everything too bad you know when that everything too bad you know when that cord is Cuts you can't control anything cord is Cuts you can't control anything cord is Cuts you can't control anything anymore but here we have an opportunity anymore but here we have an opportunity anymore but here we have an opportunity to do things a bit smartly more smart to do things a bit smartly more smart to do things a bit smartly more smart which is you can dispatch your which is you can dispatch your which is you can dispatch your intelligence across the system so why do intelligence across the system so why do intelligence across the system so why do you have so many compute units in a car you have so many compute units in a car you have so many compute units in a car is because you don't want the brakes to is because you don't want the brakes to is because you don't want the brakes to die when your radio dies you know so so die when your radio dies you know so so die when your radio dies you know so so you basically distribute the you basically distribute the you basically distribute the intelligence and have a system that will intelligence and have a system that will intelligence and have a system that will orchestrate the communication between orchestrate the communication between orchestrate the communication between these nodes and interactions and now you these nodes and interactions and now you these nodes and interactions and now you end up with something which is a bunch end up with something which is a bunch end up with something which is a bunch of dumb or or Dumber brains that of dumb or or Dumber brains that of dumb or or Dumber brains that collaborate to build an INT intelligent collaborate to build an INT intelligent collaborate to build an INT intelligent thing right thing right thing right so intell and that cuts down on a lot of so intell and that cuts down on a lot of so intell and that cuts down on a lot of the risk that we're seeing with these the risk that we're seeing with these the risk that we're seeing with these big models right so it cuts down on big models right so it cuts down on big models right so it cuts down on hallucination hallucination hallucination it lowers the risk it lowers the cost it it lowers the risk it lowers the cost it it lowers the risk it lowers the cost it lowers the training all that right no I lowers the training all that right no I lowers the training all that right no I think we'll always be using the cloud think we'll always be using the cloud think we'll always be using the cloud and even you know it depends on the and even you know it depends on the and even you know it depends on the architecture but even like CNN's and architecture but even like CNN's and architecture but even like CNN's and other types of older architectures are other types of older architectures are other types of older architectures are trained in the cloud and then deployed trained in the cloud and then deployed trained in the cloud and then deployed on the edge there's a lot you know look on the edge there's a lot you know look on the edge there's a lot you know look at Edge impulse and a lot of companies at Edge impulse and a lot of companies at Edge impulse and a lot of companies doing that stuff Nvidia tow you know doing that stuff Nvidia tow you know doing that stuff Nvidia tow you know things like that because you don't want things like that because you don't want things like that because you don't want to be doing your uh original training on to be doing your uh original training on to be doing your uh original training on Edge Equipment necessarily but as

Edge Equipment necessarily but as Edge Equipment necessarily but as Olivier said there's like a ton of Olivier said there's like a ton of Olivier said there's like a ton of innovation going on and research innovation going on and research innovation going on and research especially in Academia around learning especially in Academia around learning especially in Academia around learning at the edge reinforcement learning at the edge reinforcement learning at the edge reinforcement learning single shot learning all kinds of like single shot learning all kinds of like single shot learning all kinds of like ways of adding more learning ways of adding more learning ways of adding more learning capabilities to these Edge devices so um capabilities to these Edge devices so um capabilities to these Edge devices so um but you know and so for generative AI but you know and so for generative AI but you know and so for generative AI yeah I mean it's definitely like a cloud yeah I mean it's definitely like a cloud yeah I mean it's definitely like a cloud training thing um but then you're training thing um but then you're training thing um but then you're deploying you know in some constrained deploying you know in some constrained deploying you know in some constrained environments like ol was saying in environments like ol was saying in environments like ol was saying in Debbie like a smaller set of um you know Debbie like a smaller set of um you know Debbie like a smaller set of um you know capabilities frankly that are tuned for capabilities frankly that are tuned for capabilities frankly that are tuned for the environment so if you were put a the environment so if you were put a the environment so if you were put a module in your car engine for example module in your car engine for example module in your car engine for example that had a generative AI model on it that had a generative AI model on it that had a generative AI model on it that looked at all the sensors and could that looked at all the sensors and could that looked at all the sensors and could tell you what was going on um you know tell you what was going on um you know tell you what was going on um you know that doesn't need to like you know write that doesn't need to like you know write that doesn't need to like you know write hi cus or like draw cats it all it just hi cus or like draw cats it all it just hi cus or like draw cats it all it just needs to like understand kind of the needs to like understand kind of the needs to like understand kind of the engine sensors and make engine sensors and make engine sensors and make sense that's one of the things so hey sense that's one of the things so hey sense that's one of the things so hey congratulations I saw that um you're congratulations I saw that um you're congratulations I saw that um you're going to be at sensor converge right you going to be at sensor converge right you going to be at sensor converge right you guys are going to have a pavilion yeah guys are going to have a pavilion yeah guys are going to have a pavilion yeah we're going to be the edji foundation we're going to be the edji foundation we're going to be the edji foundation Pavilion at sens everybody go to sens everybody go to sensor yeah it's going to be awesome but sensor yeah it's going to be awesome but sensor yeah it's going to be awesome but yeah that's one of the things that I yeah that's one of the things that I yeah that's one of the things that I brought up in a board meeting is exactly brought up in a board meeting is exactly brought up in a board meeting is exactly um you know what what you're mentioning um you know what what you're mentioning um you know what what you're mentioning is sort of this why you know one of the is sort of this why you know one of the is sort of this why you know one of the things that we do this year why don't we things that we do this year why don't we things that we do this year why don't we just uh help shortcut the journey to an just uh help shortcut the journey to an just uh help shortcut the journey to an actual valuable solution help the actual valuable solution help the actual valuable solution help the attendees um become less distracted by attendees um become less distracted by attendees um become less distracted by the hype and the hype and the hype and nonsense and uh just you know ground

nonsense and uh just you know ground nonsense and uh just you know ground things for them so that they can and a things for them so that they can and a things for them so that they can and a lot of that will require for us to help lot of that will require for us to help lot of that will require for us to help people people people understand you know the limitations of understand you know the limitations of understand you know the limitations of the technology right because you have the technology right because you have the technology right because you have all these people that think that llms all these people that think that llms all these people that think that llms are like real time and a lot of times are like real time and a lot of times are like real time and a lot of times for the environments that they're for the environments that they're for the environments that they're they're hypothesizing that they're going they're hypothesizing that they're going they're hypothesizing that they're going to deploy these things in the latencies to deploy these things in the latencies to deploy these things in the latencies are like literally immediate right so are like literally immediate right so are like literally immediate right so you know how do they need to think about you know how do they need to think about you know how do they need to think about these Technologies in a proper way so these Technologies in a proper way so these Technologies in a proper way so that they architect the right kind of that they architect the right kind of that they architect the right kind of solutions they don't waste their time solutions they don't waste their time solutions they don't waste their time you know putting this at the extreme you know putting this at the extreme you know putting this at the extreme Edge thinking it's doing all this like Edge thinking it's doing all this like Edge thinking it's doing all this like super low latency super low latency super low latency inferencing and um what does good look inferencing and um what does good look inferencing and um what does good look like what does useful look like what like what does useful look like what like what does useful look like what does safe look like right and um yeah does safe look like right and um yeah does safe look like right and um yeah I'm hoping that sensors converge this I'm hoping that sensors converge this I'm hoping that sensors converge this year can lead that conversation because year can lead that conversation because year can lead that conversation because you know quite honestly I don't see any you know quite honestly I don't see any you know quite honestly I don't see any there's not a lot of conferences that there's not a lot of conferences that there's not a lot of conferences that even touch the subject yet yeah we're even touch the subject yet yeah we're even touch the subject yet yeah we're doing I think our community and speak doing I think our community and speak doing I think our community and speak you guys can chime in but it's like you guys can chime in but it's like you guys can chime in but it's like there's a lot more focus on Solutions so there's a lot more focus on Solutions so there's a lot more focus on Solutions so like we have the blueprint Awards this like we have the blueprint Awards this like we have the blueprint Awards this year at in Austin which will um rather year at in Austin which will um rather year at in Austin which will um rather than saying best chip or best whatever than saying best chip or best whatever than saying best chip or best whatever it's like best solution in this industry it's like best solution in this industry it's like best solution in this industry and like how do you solve problems with and like how do you solve problems with and like how do you solve problems with this stuff usually with multiple AI this stuff usually with multiple AI this stuff usually with multiple AI workloads you know yeah that's good you workloads you know yeah that's good you workloads you know yeah that's good you know what you know kind on the solution know what you know kind on the solution know what you know kind on the solution is helpful cuz then what you're saying is helpful cuz then what you're saying is helpful cuz then what you're saying is like it establishes patterns that

is like it establishes patterns that is like it establishes patterns that people can say oh I have kind of my people can say oh I have kind of my people can say oh I have kind of my problem's kind of like that so maybe I problem's kind of like that so maybe I problem's kind of like that so maybe I can do that and you know solve my can do that and you know solve my can do that and you know solve my problem with this stuff wow you know problem with this stuff wow you know problem with this stuff wow you know after I was here in Olivier just talking after I was here in Olivier just talking after I was here in Olivier just talking about being smarter and getting things about being smarter and getting things about being smarter and getting things smaller the way I would have been more smaller the way I would have been more smaller the way I would have been more smarter is I would have used windzip to smarter is I would have used windzip to smarter is I would have used windzip to make the model smaller to fit on a make the model smaller to fit on a make the model smaller to fit on a that's right that's what I would have that's right that's what I would have that's right that's what I would have done that's that's how it would shortcut done that's that's how it would shortcut done that's that's how it would shortcut the problem it's funny you mention that the problem it's funny you mention that the problem it's funny you mention that there's a company in our community there's a company in our community there's a company in our community called a zip uh and they do model called a zip uh and they do model called a zip uh and they do model compression yeah model compression it's compression yeah model compression it's compression yeah model compression it's called AI zip you should check them out called AI zip you should check them out called AI zip you should check them out they had a a nice booth at CES actually they had a a nice booth at CES actually they had a a nice booth at CES actually they doing very Welles um yeah maybe they doing very Welles um yeah maybe they doing very Welles um yeah maybe they got inspired by windzip you know they got inspired by windzip you know they got inspired by windzip you know maybe so windzip but that was like uh so maybe so windzip but that was like uh so maybe so windzip but that was like uh so required in the day absolutely we built required in the day absolutely we built required in the day absolutely we built it right into Windows because it was so it right into Windows because it was so it right into Windows because it was so ubiquitously used you know yeah oh my ubiquitously used you know yeah oh my ubiquitously used you know yeah oh my gosh what was what was the other one was gosh what was what was the other one was gosh what was what was the other one was it win Ra was it win raw the other one it win Ra was it win raw the other one it win Ra was it win raw the other one that came later yeah you're right that came later yeah you're right that came later yeah you're right because that was yeah absolutely win amp because that was yeah absolutely win amp because that was yeah absolutely win amp oh remember win amp oh yeah yeah that oh remember win amp oh yeah yeah that oh remember win amp oh yeah yeah that was a great MP3 player right in case you was a great MP3 player right in case you was a great MP3 player right in case you want to listen to music on a computer want to listen to music on a computer want to listen to music on a computer and and then if you but if you zip it and and then if you but if you zip it and and then if you but if you zip it with wind zip then you can listen to with wind zip then you can listen to with wind zip then you can listen to music on your phone oh music on your phone oh music on your phone oh yeah it's pretty cool it's pretty cool yeah it's pretty cool it's pretty cool yeah it's pretty cool it's pretty cool wind what's going on Mr True North wind what's going on Mr True North wind what's going on Mr True North yeah you're is what's going on man Mr

yeah you're is what's going on man Mr yeah you're is what's going on man Mr I'm just listening to you guys drop all I'm just listening to you guys drop all I'm just listening to you guys drop all this knowledge that's all I mean he's this knowledge that's all I mean he's this knowledge that's all I mean he's being nice I feel I feel like I might be being nice I feel I feel like I might be being nice I feel I feel like I might be missing out on missing out on missing out on something yeah yeah we're talking about something yeah yeah we're talking about something yeah yeah we're talking about AI fatigue dude luckily on this show AI fatigue dude luckily on this show AI fatigue dude luckily on this show there's no danger of missing out on there's no danger of missing out on there's no danger of missing out on anything no you just miss out on anything no you just miss out on anything no you just miss out on everything oh oh wow PlayStation I like everything oh oh wow PlayStation I like everything oh oh wow PlayStation I like the PlayStation I know it's pretty cool the PlayStation I know it's pretty cool the PlayStation I know it's pretty cool yeah but you know what it is kind of it yeah but you know what it is kind of it yeah but you know what it is kind of it I yeah I have to say again it's freaky I yeah I have to say again it's freaky I yeah I have to say again it's freaky how you know um a lot of things that how you know um a lot of things that how you know um a lot of things that we're talking about now or everyone's we're talking about now or everyone's we're talking about now or everyone's talking about now is stuff we talked talking about now is stuff we talked talking about now is stuff we talked about like long time ago um yeah at some about like long time ago um yeah at some about like long time ago um yeah at some point really need to take some time point really need to take some time point really need to take some time surfacing up some of those nuggets you surfacing up some of those nuggets you surfacing up some of those nuggets you know we need to BU we need some software know we need to BU we need some software know we need to BU we need some software that can dynamically look at all of our that can dynamically look at all of our that can dynamically look at all of our episodes and it's like a white paper episodes and it's like a white paper episodes and it's like a white paper generator yeah yeah like an iot Coffee generator yeah yeah like an iot Coffee generator yeah yeah like an iot Coffee Talk agent to there you go yes and then Talk agent to there you go yes and then Talk agent to there you go yes and then you build whole you know kind of you build whole you know kind of you build whole you know kind of Consulting Group around there where Consulting Group around there where Consulting Group around there where people are paying you like 100 grand for people are paying you like 100 grand for people are paying you like 100 grand for these white papers maybe 50 Grand you these white papers maybe 50 Grand you these white papers maybe 50 Grand you got to sass it sass it and totally sass got to sass it sass it and totally sass got to sass it sass it and totally sass it based on all the data that has been it based on all the data that has been it based on all the data that has been compiled into our large model our iot compiled into our large model our iot compiled into our large model our iot llm then we just crank out white papers llm then we just crank out white papers llm then we just crank out white papers and sell them and and sell them and and sell them and that's yeah but nobody will be able to that's yeah but nobody will be able to that's yeah but nobody will be able to do that you know why why because we do that you know why why because we do that you know why why because we interweave so much nonsense in between interweave so much nonsense in between interweave so much nonsense in between like the little nuggets no model big

like the little nuggets no model big like the little nuggets no model big enough and powerful enough out leard you should try this this um out leard you should try this this um French company uh startup called tugan French company uh startup called tugan French company uh startup called tugan tan. a and they have an interesting tan. a and they have an interesting tan. a and they have an interesting service allows you to feed it with service allows you to feed it with service allows you to feed it with videos long form videos like YouTube videos long form videos like YouTube videos long form videos like YouTube episodes of ours and that will speed out episodes of ours and that will speed out episodes of ours and that will speed out a LinkedIn post and things like that out a LinkedIn post and things like that out a LinkedIn post and things like that out of it I'm really curious yeah I'm really of it I'm really curious yeah I'm really of it I'm really curious yeah I'm really curious to to know how they do against curious to to know how they do against curious to to know how they do against stats stats stats you try that take a look at that yeah you try that take a look at that yeah you try that take a look at that yeah what was it called Olivier tan. AI t what was it called Olivier tan. AI t what was it called Olivier tan. AI t g Ai and they're not friends of mine but g Ai and they're not friends of mine but g Ai and they're not friends of mine but they're French okay they're French okay they're French okay okay but be careful not having your data okay but be careful not having your data okay but be careful not having your data stolen by friends in next thing you know it'll end up in in next thing you know it'll end up in Greenland right you know leard sitting Greenland right you know leard sitting Greenland right you know leard sitting there worried about all the silliness there worried about all the silliness there worried about all the silliness and the noise that we have here and how and the noise that we have here and how and the noise that we have here and how do you cut that out right and so I was do you cut that out right and so I was do you cut that out right and so I was gonna propose either Dolby b or Dolby c yeah that'd be good maybe we need dobd c yeah that'd be good maybe we need dobd we need to invent a new one or for some we need to invent a new one or for some we need to invent a new one or for some of you real hardcore audio files maybe of you real hardcore audio files maybe of you real hardcore audio files maybe dbx old school you are you are just you dbx old school you are you are just you dbx old school you are you are just you are just hellbent on the way back are just hellbent on the way back are just hellbent on the way back machine aren't you machine aren't you machine aren't you yeah Mr way back

yeah Mr way back yeah Mr way back machine I mean you're just I mean I'm machine I mean you're just I mean I'm machine I mean you're just I mean I'm with with with you I think I used have an outo dbx uh you I think I used have an outo dbx uh you I think I used have an outo dbx uh uh unit for my my my audio stack at one uh unit for my my my audio stack at one uh unit for my my my audio stack at one point dbx was clearly Superior to WB and point dbx was clearly Superior to WB and point dbx was clearly Superior to WB and wc but it didn't get the broad adoption wc but it didn't get the broad adoption wc but it didn't get the broad adoption n for some reason have the marketing you n for some reason have the marketing you n for some reason have the marketing you know but think about that for a moment know but think about that for a moment know but think about that for a moment um this that's the ultimate copyright um this that's the ultimate copyright um this that's the ultimate copyright protection is just nonsense like saying protection is just nonsense like saying protection is just nonsense like saying stupid [ __ ] in between like smart stuff stupid [ __ ] in between like smart stuff stupid [ __ ] in between like smart stuff this is how we're going to trick the this is how we're going to trick the this is how we're going to trick the aliens yeah yeah yeah yeah that it's aliens yeah yeah yeah yeah that it's aliens yeah yeah yeah yeah that it's alisation it teaches it teaches the alisation it teaches it teaches the alisation it teaches it teaches the model bad language too at the same time model bad language too at the same time model bad language too at the same time it's like freaking brilant hiding State it's like freaking brilant hiding State it's like freaking brilant hiding State secrets in a JPEG you know it's like yes secrets in a JPEG you know it's like yes secrets in a JPEG you know it's like yes remember audience if you want to copy remember audience if you want to copy remember audience if you want to copy protect uh copyright protect your protect uh copyright protect your protect uh copyright protect your content okay just stay a bunch of stupid content okay just stay a bunch of stupid content okay just stay a bunch of stupid [ __ ] but I I think a good balance would [ __ ] but I I think a good balance would [ __ ] but I I think a good balance would probably be 80% dumb stuff and then 20% probably be 80% dumb stuff and then 20% probably be 80% dumb stuff and then 20% and then you hide it some people do that and then you hide it some people do that and then you hide it some people do that without a copyright strategy they without a copyright strategy they without a copyright strategy they just how do you just how do you just how do you distinguish no seriously right I mean distinguish no seriously right I mean distinguish no seriously right I mean because when these these models become because when these these models become because when these these models become so detached from whatever that's so detached from whatever that's so detached from whatever that's actually said then they're become actually said then they're become actually said then they're become useless and that's a great way of useless and that's a great way of useless and that's a great way of protecting your IP that's true think protecting your IP that's true think protecting your IP that's true think about it yeah I'd like to get an AI about it yeah I'd like to get an AI about it yeah I'd like to get an AI model to watch TV for me model to watch TV for me model to watch TV for me and then real time translate the TV oh

and then real time translate the TV oh and then real time translate the TV oh my god dude sense of what's being said my god dude sense of what's being said my god dude sense of what's being said and kind of give me the real stuff so and kind of give me the real stuff so and kind of give me the real stuff so like it's like my MSNBC agent you know like it's like my MSNBC agent you know like it's like my MSNBC agent you know and so I'm actually watching MSNBC but and so I'm actually watching MSNBC but and so I'm actually watching MSNBC but there's an AI in between that's actually there's an AI in between that's actually there's an AI in between that's actually interpreting that and then I kind of interpreting that and then I kind of interpreting that and then I kind of translating it into less nonsense translating it into less nonsense translating it into less nonsense but well Olivia you know I I've use I've but well Olivia you know I I've use I've but well Olivia you know I I've use I've tried to use some of these models to tried to use some of these models to tried to use some of these models to create summaries of some of the content create summaries of some of the content create summaries of some of the content that I've produced yeah man I don't know that I've produced yeah man I don't know that I've produced yeah man I don't know what your experience is but a lot of what your experience is but a lot of what your experience is but a lot of times the draft even the drafts that you times the draft even the drafts that you times the draft even the drafts that you get are just like terrible I mean get are just like terrible I mean get are just like terrible I mean they're not they're not they're useless they're not they're not they're useless they're not they're not they're useless so I'm using tan with the with the iot so I'm using tan with the with the iot so I'm using tan with the with the iot show huh I'm using Tuan with the iot show huh I'm using Tuan with the iot show huh I'm using Tuan with the iot show and it's pretty darn good at show and it's pretty darn good at show and it's pretty darn good at extracting the main bullet points and so extracting the main bullet points and so extracting the main bullet points and so on interestingly when I prepare one of on interestingly when I prepare one of on interestingly when I prepare one of these shows I try to Define what are the these shows I try to Define what are the these shows I try to Define what are the key takeaways we want to talk about and key takeaways we want to talk about and key takeaways we want to talk about and L and so on and almost 100% of the time L and so on and almost 100% of the time L and so on and almost 100% of the time the bullet points that Tuan gives me is the bullet points that Tuan gives me is the bullet points that Tuan gives me is my notes for the key takeaway so I I'm my notes for the key takeaway so I I'm my notes for the key takeaway so I I'm pretty proud of doing a good job I guess pretty proud of doing a good job I guess pretty proud of doing a good job I guess at making sure that we are keeping on at making sure that we are keeping on at making sure that we are keeping on track and so on so for random track and so on so for random track and so on so for random discussions like the ones we're having discussions like the ones we're having discussions like the ones we're having here it might not be as good but we need here it might not be as good but we need here it might not be as good but we need to try that because that's that's to try that because that's that's to try that because that's that's definitely an interesting uh thing to definitely an interesting uh thing to definitely an interesting uh thing to see and if it figures out you know what see and if it figures out you know what see and if it figures out you know what are the main key takeaways of our are the main key takeaways of our are the main key takeaways of our conversations yeah because we might have conversations yeah because we might have conversations yeah because we might have we might be doing foundational Research we might be doing foundational Research we might be doing foundational Research into something really important here is into something really important here is into something really important here is a potentially a copyright protection a potentially a copyright protection a potentially a copyright protection mechanism or a law you know like they

mechanism or a law you know like they mechanism or a law you know like they always talk about scaling laws we have always talk about scaling laws we have always talk about scaling laws we have the copy protection [ __ ] you know the copy protection [ __ ] you know the copy protection [ __ ] you know filter law or you know yeah it's more filter law or you know yeah it's more filter law or you know yeah it's more jamming jamming uh algorithm we are kind jamming jamming uh algorithm we are kind jamming jamming uh algorithm we are kind of jamming aren't we you Olivier you of jamming aren't we you Olivier you of jamming aren't we you Olivier you have a your show is structured perfectly have a your show is structured perfectly have a your show is structured perfectly and that's why it's working well we and that's why it's working well we and that's why it's working well we haven't done that in a long time so when haven't done that in a long time so when haven't done that in a long time so when we first started this like in 2020 we first started this like in 2020 we first started this like in 2020 the shows were actually all structured the shows were actually all structured the shows were actually all structured they were planned and everything what we they were planned and everything what we they were planned and everything what we were going to talk about it was some were going to talk about it was some were going to talk about it was some related always related to something related always related to something related always related to something about iot and I'm not saying it heavy about iot and I'm not saying it heavy about iot and I'm not saying it heavy planning but at some point it devolved planning but at some point it devolved planning but at some point it devolved or evolved into hey we're just sitting or evolved into hey we're just sitting or evolved into hey we're just sitting around shooting the [ __ ] about whatever around shooting the [ __ ] about whatever around shooting the [ __ ] about whatever um maybe it's related to Tech you know um maybe it's related to Tech you know um maybe it's related to Tech you know but I don't know what do you think L but I don't know what do you think L but I don't know what do you think L maybe the first 20 episodes where semi maybe the first 20 episodes where semi maybe the first 20 episodes where semi kind of okay we're going to talk about kind of okay we're going to talk about kind of okay we're going to talk about this topic this topic this topic not really oh come on man it usually hey not really oh come on man it usually hey not really oh come on man it usually hey uh it was more of a the the broad topic uh it was more of a the the broad topic uh it was more of a the the broad topic that we're GNA talk about we we said that we're GNA talk about we we said that we're GNA talk about we we said this time we're GNA talk about digital this time we're GNA talk about digital this time we're GNA talk about digital Twins and tomorrow we're GNA talk about Twins and tomorrow we're GNA talk about Twins and tomorrow we're GNA talk about blah blah blah and then we talked about blah blah blah and then we talked about blah blah blah and then we talked about everything according to Rick bolat and everything according to Rick bolat and everything according to Rick bolat and then that's when Rick told us we should then that's when Rick told us we should then that's when Rick told us we should shut down the show because we've already shut down the show because we've already shut down the show because we've already covered everything and we should just covered everything and we should just covered everything and we should just stop and he stopped and we kept going stop and he stopped and we kept going stop and he stopped and we kept going and I don't know who's right rest is and I don't know who's right rest is and I don't know who's right rest is history rest is history yeah yeah yeah

history rest is history yeah yeah yeah history rest is history yeah yeah yeah that is kind of weird I think um the that is kind of weird I think um the that is kind of weird I think um the unstructured rambling stuff is it has unstructured rambling stuff is it has unstructured rambling stuff is it has its mer maybe people don't do it enough its mer maybe people don't do it enough its mer maybe people don't do it enough do you know what I'm do you know what I'm do you know what I'm saying to planned too script it's a bit saying to planned too script it's a bit saying to planned too script it's a bit like tur Your Enthusiasm right yeah it like tur Your Enthusiasm right yeah it like tur Your Enthusiasm right yeah it is so uh you know people like that is so uh you know people like that is so uh you know people like that people like that because you know people like that because you know people like that because you know because of the unstructured nature I because of the unstructured nature I because of the unstructured nature I think every show has its kind of purpose think every show has its kind of purpose think every show has its kind of purpose and I I actually think that is an and I I actually think that is an and I I actually think that is an evolution because people want to listen evolution because people want to listen evolution because people want to listen to it in the same way that that you know to it in the same way that that you know to it in the same way that that you know they'll they'll listen or read their they'll they'll listen or read their they'll they'll listen or read their favorite journalists right because it's favorite journalists right because it's favorite journalists right because it's their view it's the whole point right so their view it's the whole point right so their view it's the whole point right so I think it's good yeah I always thought I think it's good yeah I always thought I think it's good yeah I always thought of the group is just kind of being doing of the group is just kind of being doing of the group is just kind of being doing a show kind of like ESPN sports center a show kind of like ESPN sports center a show kind of like ESPN sports center just totally irreverent you know just totally irreverent you know just totally irreverent you know obviously they're talking about sports obviously they're talking about sports obviously they're talking about sports we're talking about tech but it's funny we're talking about tech but it's funny we're talking about tech but it's funny it's irreverent you know it's not trying it's irreverent you know it's not trying it's irreverent you know it's not trying to be too buttoned up or serious you to be too buttoned up or serious you to be too buttoned up or serious you know yeah I mean how do you how do you know yeah I mean how do you how do you know yeah I mean how do you how do you how do you provoke how do you provoke how do you provoke thinking on something scripted I think thinking on something scripted I think thinking on something scripted I think it's just really tough so there it's just really tough so there it's just really tough so there scripting is scripting you know the way scripting is scripting you know the way scripting is scripting you know the way I like to do it for the for the iot show I like to do it for the for the iot show I like to do it for the for the iot show is to really try and narrow down the the is to really try and narrow down the the is to really try and narrow down the the two three key takeaways it's not like two three key takeaways it's not like two three key takeaways it's not like the details of the conversation it's the details of the conversation it's the details of the conversation it's more like what do you want the audience more like what do you want the audience more like what do you want the audience to walk away with because everyone has to walk away with because everyone has to walk away with because everyone has this like attention span of like just this like attention span of like just this like attention span of like just few seconds so you need to make sure few seconds so you need to make sure few seconds so you need to make sure that they capture two to three ideas that they capture two to three ideas that they capture two to three ideas right it's it you can do 45 minutes talk right it's it you can do 45 minutes talk right it's it you can do 45 minutes talk but they won't get away more than two to

but they won't get away more than two to but they won't get away more than two to three things at the end of the day if three things at the end of the day if three things at the end of the day if and if you try and put more it will be and if you try and put more it will be and if you try and put more it will be distilled in the entire conversation and distilled in the entire conversation and distilled in the entire conversation and you're just like losing them and it's you're just like losing them and it's you're just like losing them and it's it's useless but s was pay attention on it's useless but s was pay attention on it's useless but s was pay attention on we usually we usually ramble about one we usually we usually ramble about one we usually we usually ramble about one or two things during one hour so that's or two things during one hour so that's or two things during one hour so that's actually not too bad cuz we are just you actually not too bad cuz we are just you actually not too bad cuz we are just you know pounding on the know pounding on the know pounding on the point the point right and and that could point the point right and and that could point the point right and and that could work but you don't need to script things work but you don't need to script things work but you don't need to script things it's not a series of questions it's it's not a series of questions it's it's not a series of questions it's really high level what are the key really high level what are the key really high level what are the key points that we want the audience to walk points that we want the audience to walk points that we want the audience to walk away with that's true yeah so people away with that's true yeah so people away with that's true yeah so people should watch the iot show by the way should watch the iot show by the way should watch the iot show by the way because oh yeah actually knows what he's because oh yeah actually knows what he's because oh yeah actually knows what he's doing awes somebody knows what he's doing awes somebody knows what he's doing awes somebody knows what he's talking talking talking talking and Tom's thing yeah it's it's talking and Tom's thing yeah it's it's talking and Tom's thing yeah it's it's coming it's coming back this year coming it's coming back this year coming it's coming back this year actually season six I was say Olivia do actually season six I was say Olivia do actually season six I was say Olivia do you have like a showlow because you you you have like a showlow because you you you have like a showlow because you you came on our iot podcast didn't you a came on our iot podcast didn't you a came on our iot podcast didn't you a couple of years back yeah so I think the couple of years back yeah so I think the couple of years back yeah so I think the kind of loose script makes a lot of kind of loose script makes a lot of kind of loose script makes a lot of sense so at least you can kind of guide sense so at least you can kind of guide sense so at least you can kind of guide where you're going to go within that where you're going to go within that where you're going to go within that kind of episode whatever it is but not kind of episode whatever it is but not kind of episode whatever it is but not so rigid that you stick to it and I so rigid that you stick to it and I so rigid that you stick to it and I think that's the beauty with coffee talk think that's the beauty with coffee talk think that's the beauty with coffee talk because the other end of all these because the other end of all these because the other end of all these podcast is it gets vetoed by corporate podcast is it gets vetoed by corporate podcast is it gets vetoed by corporate comms and then it's just really stal and comms and then it's just really stal and comms and then it's just really stal and just kind of boring and it's usual just kind of boring and it's usual just kind of boring and it's usual rhetoric otherwise you might as well go rhetoric otherwise you might as well go rhetoric otherwise you might as well go to the website and read the about us to the website and read the about us to the website and read the about us section right rather than you know so I section right rather than you know so I section right rather than you know so I think having a loose idea is good but

think having a loose idea is good but think having a loose idea is good but being able to deviate off from it when being able to deviate off from it when being able to deviate off from it when you need to yep yes exactly my my show I you need to yep yes exactly my my show I you need to yep yes exactly my my show I also have a I kind of have a Arc so it's also have a I kind of have a Arc so it's also have a I kind of have a Arc so it's not right like a script or anything but not right like a script or anything but not right like a script or anything but it's kind of like a a guiding guiding it's kind of like a a guiding guiding it's kind of like a a guiding guiding thing but I like it because it gives thing but I like it because it gives thing but I like it because it gives people the ability to go in any people the ability to go in any people the ability to go in any direction and not feel yeah okay direction and not feel yeah okay direction and not feel yeah okay buttoned up right yeah you guys have a buttoned up right yeah you guys have a buttoned up right yeah you guys have a different you guys all kind of do like different you guys all kind of do like different you guys all kind of do like interview kind of stuff right or Olivier interview kind of stuff right or Olivier interview kind of stuff right or Olivier oftentimes you're basically just um you oftentimes you're basically just um you oftentimes you're basically just um you know doing a monologue um I I think that know doing a monologue um I I think that know doing a monologue um I I think that has a different purpose I guess you know has a different purpose I guess you know has a different purpose I guess you know what I'm saying is in a form like this what I'm saying is in a form like this what I'm saying is in a form like this this form format right it's just Minds this form format right it's just Minds this form format right it's just Minds getting together and then discussing a getting together and then discussing a getting together and then discussing a topic there is no structure it's just topic there is no structure it's just topic there is no structure it's just the flow of the argument you know what the flow of the argument you know what the flow of the argument you know what I'm saying I I think I don't see a lot I'm saying I I think I don't see a lot I'm saying I I think I don't see a lot of that stuff at all and you're you're of that stuff at all and you're you're of that stuff at all and you're you're absolutely right if you want to get absolutely right if you want to get absolutely right if you want to get clicks and eyeballs you you have to clicks and eyeballs you you have to clicks and eyeballs you you have to cater to a shrinking attentional cater to a shrinking attentional cater to a shrinking attentional attention spin that's like freaking 15 attention spin that's like freaking 15 attention spin that's like freaking 15 seconds now it's like seconds now it's like seconds now it's like ridiculous but we're not we're not that ridiculous but we're not we're not that ridiculous but we're not we're not that right I mean probably what we need to do right I mean probably what we need to do right I mean probably what we need to do is like what they're doing with these is like what they're doing with these is like what they're doing with these large language models we have to uh large language models we have to uh large language models we have to uh distill distill distill nuget to figure out what the freaking nuget to figure out what the freaking nuget to figure out what the freaking hell was the point that we actually made hell was the point that we actually made hell was the point that we actually made and then I think those little nuggets and then I think those little nuggets and then I think those little nuggets are the things that can um map back to

are the things that can um map back to are the things that can um map back to the larger Corpus but yeah you know this the larger Corpus but yeah you know this the larger Corpus but yeah you know this format is not digestible for 99% of the format is not digestible for 99% of the format is not digestible for 99% of the the you know this this show is not the you know this this show is not the you know this this show is not applicable to 99% of the population applicable to 99% of the population applicable to 99% of the population basically yeah I love this show I love basically yeah I love this show I love basically yeah I love this show I love the format it's like finding the peanuts the format it's like finding the peanuts the format it's like finding the peanuts in the Cracker Jack box you guys in the Cracker Jack box you guys in the Cracker Jack box you guys remember remember remember what you looking for is the peanuts LM what you looking for is the peanuts LM what you looking for is the peanuts LM our new llm based on all the stuff we our new llm based on all the stuff we our new llm based on all the stuff we talk about which we're going to call it talk about which we're going to call it talk about which we're going to call it idiocracy idiocracy idiocracy 4.0 and and they'll unearth it in the 4.0 and and they'll unearth it in the 4.0 and and they'll unearth it in the future and start using it and then future and start using it and then future and start using it and then Society will just crash and burn and Society will just crash and burn and Society will just crash and burn and everything like that you know they're everything like that you know they're everything like that you know they're like this is like this is like this is what it'll be plan of the Apes actually what it'll be plan of the Apes actually what it'll be plan of the Apes actually actually the one frightening thing about actually the one frightening thing about actually the one frightening thing about you know even if llm or these models you know even if llm or these models you know even if llm or these models were to take our conversation they were to take our conversation they were to take our conversation they wouldn't know what was sarcastic or what wouldn't know what was sarcastic or what wouldn't know what was sarcastic or what was funny you know what I'm saying so I was funny you know what I'm saying so I was funny you know what I'm saying so I can see that their distillation of that can see that their distillation of that can see that their distillation of that being like really being like really being like really bad bad bad yeah see that's what I'm saying I'm yeah see that's what I'm saying I'm yeah see that's what I'm saying I'm saying this is this is this is llm saying this is this is this is llm saying this is this is this is llm copyright protected material right here copyright protected material right here copyright protected material right here they'll be like you know back in 2025 they'll be like you know back in 2025 they'll be like you know back in 2025 they were building llm out of coconuts they were building llm out of coconuts they were building llm out of coconuts it was it was it was amazing that's exactly what they would amazing that's exactly what they would amazing that's exactly what they would say yeah he didn't like copy protection say yeah he didn't like copy protection say yeah he didn't like copy protection mean you like moved the little deal on mean you like moved the little deal on mean you like moved the little deal on the floppy disc no you you you pop out

the floppy disc no you you you pop out the floppy disc no you you you pop out the tab at the top yeah have to pop the the tab at the top yeah have to pop the the tab at the top yeah have to pop the plastic Tab out the plastic tab okay I plastic Tab out the plastic tab okay I plastic Tab out the plastic tab okay I was just making sure that's right that's right you use sure that's right that's right you use use two guns for all your clips that you use two guns for all your clips that you use two guns for all your clips that you put on Tik Tok for the clip I use Opus put on Tik Tok for the clip I use Opus put on Tik Tok for the clip I use Opus op shorts op shorts op shorts Opus I just use Opus One myself [ __ ] I Opus I just use Opus One myself [ __ ] I Opus I just use Opus One myself [ __ ] I have an affiliate link I should share have an affiliate link I should share have an affiliate link I should share it yeah I also use Ved by the way I'll it yeah I also use Ved by the way I'll it yeah I also use Ved by the way I'll throw in a pitch for Ved I've been is throw in a pitch for Ved I've been is throw in a pitch for Ved I've been is cute as well I use V I use V for video cute as well I use V I use V for video cute as well I use V I use V for video how you spell how you spell how you spell that hey let's get those guys to SP you that hey let's get those guys to SP you that hey let's get those guys to SP you know give us an affiliate sponsor yeah know give us an affiliate sponsor yeah know give us an affiliate sponsor yeah they should yeah they should then they they should yeah they should then they they should yeah they should then they could generate some revenue for the could generate some revenue for the could generate some revenue for the elevator kids you know yeah exactly tell elevator kids you know yeah exactly tell elevator kids you know yeah exactly tell them is for good yeah they're great I them is for good yeah they're great I them is for good yeah they're great I like like like it the actually in the last four years I it the actually in the last four years I it the actually in the last four years I don't know if you guys have noticed but don't know if you guys have noticed but don't know if you guys have noticed but a lot of kind of the video audio tools a lot of kind of the video audio tools a lot of kind of the video audio tools have just really accelerated in terms of have just really accelerated in terms of have just really accelerated in terms of their capabilties it's just unbelievable their capabilties it's just unbelievable their capabilties it's just unbelievable yeah well a lot of them are more I mean yeah well a lot of them are more I mean yeah well a lot of them are more I mean back in the day now they're all Cloud back in the day now they're all Cloud back in the day now they're all Cloud powered which is amazing when you look powered which is amazing when you look powered which is amazing when you look at something like Ved or render forest at something like Ved or render forest at something like Ved or render forest or these things all Cloud powered tools or these things all Cloud powered tools or these things all Cloud powered tools where back in the day we use like where back in the day we use like where back in the day we use like Windows Movie Maker um and these client Windows Movie Maker um and these client Windows Movie Maker um and these client side you know win32 apps or or you know side you know win32 apps or or you know side you know win32 apps or or you know they obious obviously like Adobe tools they obious obviously like Adobe tools they obious obviously like Adobe tools those are very heavy client side tools

those are very heavy client side tools those are very heavy client side tools you know and now you can really use the you know and now you can really use the you know and now you can really use the cloud to do some pretty amazing stuff cloud to do some pretty amazing stuff cloud to do some pretty amazing stuff and and the new features are dropping and and the new features are dropping and and the new features are dropping like on a weekly basis which is amazing like on a weekly basis which is amazing like on a weekly basis which is amazing so yeah the tools have gotten much so yeah the tools have gotten much so yeah the tools have gotten much better and then all of them have really better and then all of them have really better and then all of them have really cool AI capabilities like Olivier was cool AI capabilities like Olivier was cool AI capabilities like Olivier was saying you can drop a video into any of saying you can drop a video into any of saying you can drop a video into any of these things it'll find 10 really good these things it'll find 10 really good these things it'll find 10 really good 60-second Clips the 30 second clips and 60-second Clips the 30 second clips and 60-second Clips the 30 second clips and stack rank them up for interest and say stack rank them up for interest and say stack rank them up for interest and say Here's why these top 10 are really good Here's why these top 10 are really good Here's why these top 10 are really good and um so it's a it's a pretty cool and um so it's a it's a pretty cool and um so it's a it's a pretty cool thing now I guess to Leonard's Point thing now I guess to Leonard's Point thing now I guess to Leonard's Point sometimes it's kind of like not accurate sometimes it's kind of like not accurate sometimes it's kind of like not accurate or not good so obviously there needs to or not good so obviously there needs to or not good so obviously there needs to be a human in the loop there but be a human in the loop there but be a human in the loop there but yeah impressive if you guys if if yeah impressive if you guys if if yeah impressive if you guys if if there's more structured content and FL I there's more structured content and FL I there's more structured content and FL I I suppose that'll do a better job you I suppose that'll do a better job you I suppose that'll do a better job you know but then you've already I mean in know but then you've already I mean in know but then you've already I mean in my in my mind you've already you've my in my mind you've already you've my in my mind you've already you've already fed that cont you know the already fed that cont you know the already fed that cont you know the prompt you know what I'm saying you fed prompt you know what I'm saying you fed prompt you know what I'm saying you fed that context window so it's not you that context window so it's not you that context window so it's not you don't give too much credit to the you don't give too much credit to the you don't give too much credit to the you know the the know the the know the the model you basically are just feeding the model you basically are just feeding the model you basically are just feeding the stuff to the model right um right yeah stuff to the model right um right yeah stuff to the model right um right yeah but for me it's like how do you take but for me it's like how do you take but for me it's like how do you take unstructured stuff or maybe novel unstructured stuff or maybe novel unstructured stuff or maybe novel content and get it to actually reason content and get it to actually reason content and get it to actually reason through it and it does a terrible job so through it and it does a terrible job so through it and it does a terrible job so that it ends up being use for me so I I that it ends up being use for me so I I that it ends up being use for me so I I just put um I just put the uh iot Coffee just put um I just put the uh iot Coffee just put um I just put the uh iot Coffee Talk episode The 244 one about like in Talk episode The 244 one about like in Talk episode The 244 one about like in into uh into tugan and in like two into uh into tugan and in like two into uh into tugan and in like two seconds he get me he got me an

seconds he get me he got me an seconds he get me he got me an interesting um you know like article for interesting um you know like article for interesting um you know like article for for a post for for LinkedIn uh the title for a post for for LinkedIn uh the title for a post for for LinkedIn uh the title would be uncover the truth about Ai and would be uncover the truth about Ai and would be uncover the truth about Ai and iot right in there there's a quote that iot right in there there's a quote that iot right in there there's a quote that is from Christian L Leng like I don't is from Christian L Leng like I don't is from Christian L Leng like I don't know if we mentioned that as well uh know if we mentioned that as well uh know if we mentioned that as well uh during the show but um it says during the show but um it says during the show but um it says technology is a useful servant but a technology is a useful servant but a technology is a useful servant but a dangerous dangerous dangerous master and it like I this just like master and it like I this just like master and it like I this just like making up quotes from like random people making up quotes from like random people making up quotes from like random people just like made that [ __ ] up that's not just like made that [ __ ] up that's not just like made that [ __ ] up that's not even a person and that's not a quote that's awesome but that's cool quote that's awesome but that's cool it's creative it's creative right it's creative it's creative right it's creative it's creative right smarter than we and then Leonard Lee smarter than we and then Leonard Lee smarter than we and then Leonard Lee said quote unquote you know what said quote unquote you know what said quote unquote you know what actually this is exact what we need actually this is exact what we need actually this is exact what we need we'll just have quotes from all kinds of we'll just have quotes from all kinds of we'll just have quotes from all kinds of people that don't exist exactly oh my people that don't exist exactly oh my people that don't exist exactly oh my God he's sharing it I love that I'm God he's sharing it I love that I'm God he's sharing it I love that I'm sharing results that's pretty cool I sharing results that's pretty cool I sharing results that's pretty cool I like that oh like that oh like that oh yeah but somebody because I'm an idiot yeah but somebody because I'm an idiot yeah but somebody because I'm an idiot put the links to those Cool Tools you're put the links to those Cool Tools you're put the links to those Cool Tools you're talking about in the chat yeah yeah let talking about in the chat yeah yeah let talking about in the chat yeah yeah let me see if I can do a proper copy me see if I can do a proper copy me see if I can do a proper copy paste look at that too funny man oh my paste look at that too funny man oh my paste look at that too funny man oh my gosh uh yeah yeah it is it is gosh uh yeah yeah it is it is gosh uh yeah yeah it is it is interesting we're getting at a phase interesting we're getting at a phase interesting we're getting at a phase where I think the AI where I think the AI where I think the AI industry uh globally is at the industry uh globally is at the industry uh globally is at the crossroads right there there's I I don't crossroads right there there's I I don't crossroads right there there's I I don't think I've ever seen in a week so many

think I've ever seen in a week so many think I've ever seen in a week so many soall experts so freaking confused about soall experts so freaking confused about soall experts so freaking confused about what's going on you know it's just nice what's going on you know it's just nice what's going on you know it's just nice to be on the sidelines and you know to be on the sidelines and you know to be on the sidelines and you know seeing all these smart people you seeing all these smart people you seeing all these smart people you express themselves off of their self- express themselves off of their self- express themselves off of their self- interests and uh and just collide with interests and uh and just collide with interests and uh and just collide with each other it's a complex technical each other it's a complex technical each other it's a complex technical topic that's trying to be covered by topic that's trying to be covered by topic that's trying to be covered by mainstream media and that's where you mainstream media and that's where you mainstream media and that's where you get oh my God some of the coverage is get oh my God some of the coverage is get oh my God some of the coverage is absolutely Insanity terrible you know absolutely Insanity terrible you know absolutely Insanity terrible you know it's just feeding the misinformation and it's just feeding the misinformation and it's just feeding the misinformation and disinformation and bad information it's disinformation and bad information it's disinformation and bad information it's just oh my God and everyone the just oh my God and everyone the just oh my God and everyone the distillation which is really hilarious distillation which is really hilarious distillation which is really hilarious because that's what open AI is like oh because that's what open AI is like oh because that's what open AI is like oh my God everybody's stealing stuff from my God everybody's stealing stuff from my God everybody's stealing stuff from us it's like okay whatever dude yeah us it's like okay whatever dude yeah us it's like okay whatever dude yeah that speak the top of the top of the that speak the top of the top of the that speak the top of the top of the hour when we talk about hypocracy that's hour when we talk about hypocracy that's hour when we talk about hypocracy that's the ultimate right the ultimate right the ultimate right yeah people are stealing from them and yeah people are stealing from them and yeah people are stealing from them and I'm really confused about this notion of I'm really confused about this notion of I'm really confused about this notion of feeding the model because I had always feeding the model because I had always feeding the model because I had always under the impression that models didn't under the impression that models didn't under the impression that models didn't eat very much um and they smoke a lot of eat very much um and they smoke a lot of eat very much um and they smoke a lot of cigarettes true you know to stay thin cigarettes true you know to stay thin cigarettes true you know to stay thin you know look good on the runway I don't you know look good on the runway I don't you know look good on the runway I don't know so I just dropped I asked copilot know so I just dropped I asked copilot know so I just dropped I asked copilot uh you know they have this like deep uh you know they have this like deep uh you know they have this like deep thinking uh feature now so you super thinking uh feature now so you super thinking uh feature now so you super short prompt and I asked it to generate short prompt and I asked it to generate short prompt and I asked it to generate the three laws of AI keeping humans safe the three laws of AI keeping humans safe the three laws of AI keeping humans safe and preserving environment and things and preserving environment and things and preserving environment and things like that and that's what it came up

like that and that's what it came up like that and that's what it came up with so I don't know let's run with that with so I don't know let's run with that with so I don't know let's run with that let's run with that get adoption some let's run with that get adoption some let's run with that get adoption some some adoption of principles by the way some adoption of principles by the way some adoption of principles by the way let me show you my new look at this cool let me show you my new look at this cool let me show you my new look at this cool thing I don't know if you can see it thing I don't know if you can see it thing I don't know if you can see it this is like the The Edge AI Foundation this is like the The Edge AI Foundation this is like the The Edge AI Foundation strategic partner Obelisk isn't that oh strategic partner Obelisk isn't that oh strategic partner Obelisk isn't that oh look at that that's cool you become a look at that that's cool you become a look at that that's cool you become a strategic partner you get one of these strategic partner you get one of these strategic partner you get one of these cool why does everyone make those things cool why does everyone make those things cool why does everyone make those things look so look so look so dangerous I mean you can hurt somebody dangerous I mean you can hurt somebody dangerous I mean you can hurt somebody with that stab somebody on a plane with with that stab somebody on a plane with with that stab somebody on a plane with that word that you got yeah they are that word that you got yeah they are that word that you got yeah they are dangerous yeah don't let it fall your dangerous yeah don't let it fall your dangerous yeah don't let it fall your foot oh yeah this one yeah I know it's foot oh yeah this one yeah I know it's foot oh yeah this one yeah I know it's got a little pointy on therey the edges got a little pointy on therey the edges got a little pointy on therey the edges or something it's like not even child or something it's like not even child or something it's like not even child look at that see dangerous someone with look at that see dangerous someone with look at that see dangerous someone with that that's the what is that a 10 year that that's the what is that a 10 year that that's the what is that a 10 year is that a Microsoft 10 year or what is is that a Microsoft 10 year or what is is that a Microsoft 10 year or what is that 15 that's 15 that's 15 yeah that's that 15 that's 15 that's 15 yeah that's that 15 that's 15 that's 15 yeah that's right it right it right it is I think in Microsoft when you get to is I think in Microsoft when you get to is I think in Microsoft when you get to the 30 or 40 whatever comes in a giant the 30 or 40 whatever comes in a giant the 30 or 40 whatever comes in a giant suitcase with wheels on it how big those suitcase with wheels on it how big those suitcase with wheels on it how big those it does I don't it does I don't it does I don't think you probably get a a set of steak think you probably get a a set of steak think you probably get a a set of steak knives no well watch yeah that's when knives no well watch yeah that's when knives no well watch yeah that's when you get laid off they give you the steak you get laid off they give you the steak you get laid off they give you the steak knives before you got those exactly we knives before you got those exactly we knives before you got those exactly we were going to give you Severance but we were going to give you Severance but we were going to give you Severance but we decided instead that you're a poor decided instead that you're a poor decided instead that you're a poor performer all of a sudden so that performer all of a sudden so that performer all of a sudden so that today's your last day and we're cutting today's your last day and we're cutting today's your last day and we're cutting everything off tonight right get everything off tonight right get everything off tonight right get get you know what I I don't I don't get you know what I I don't I don't get you know what I I don't I don't think humans need to be fearful of AI

think humans need to be fearful of AI think humans need to be fearful of AI um together and no just band together um together and no just band together um together and no just band together and create a business you know and then and create a business you know and then and create a business you know and then um band together with torches and um band together with torches and um band together with torches and pitchforks yeah there we go pitchforks yeah there we go pitchforks yeah there we go it's gonna be I it's just storm the data it's gonna be I it's just storm the data it's gonna be I it's just storm the data center storm the data centers in center storm the data centers in center storm the data centers in Greenland what happens happens cookies Greenland what happens happens cookies Greenland what happens happens cookies people you got all these you got all people you got all these you got all people you got all these you got all these projections for AI and how it's these projections for AI and how it's these projections for AI and how it's going to take over and it's going to be going to take over and it's going to be going to take over and it's going to be a it's going to add trillions of dollars a it's going to add trillions of dollars a it's going to add trillions of dollars to the to the to the GDP except for the problem that if GDP except for the problem that if GDP except for the problem that if there's no one around to buy the stuff there's no one around to buy the stuff there's no one around to buy the stuff that you got better because of AI that you got better because of AI that you got better because of AI because everyone lost their jobs I don't because everyone lost their jobs I don't because everyone lost their jobs I don't know how that math works it works it know how that math works it works it know how that math works it works it works when it's just happening a little works when it's just happening a little works when it's just happening a little bit but if it happens massively I mean bit but if it happens massively I mean bit but if it happens massively I mean and we've talked about this before and and we've talked about this before and and we've talked about this before and it's always kind of scary stuff but you it's always kind of scary stuff but you it's always kind of scary stuff but you know there's always the there's some know there's always the there's some know there's always the there's some really smart people who really really really smart people who really really really smart people who really really think billions of jobs will be lost think billions of jobs will be lost think billions of jobs will be lost because of this because the exponential because of this because the exponential because of this because the exponential Pace um of AI is so much faster than Pace um of AI is so much faster than Pace um of AI is so much faster than anything we've ever seen you know it's anything we've ever seen you know it's anything we've ever seen you know it's not like it's not like buggy whips to not like it's not like buggy whips to not like it's not like buggy whips to cars it's not like agriculture to cars it's not like agriculture to cars it's not like agriculture to factories this is happening at light factories this is happening at light factories this is happening at light speed yeah but but you know Rob if your speed yeah but but you know Rob if your speed yeah but but you know Rob if your exit strategy is to be uh put your exit strategy is to be uh put your exit strategy is to be uh put your outpost on Jupiter then you don't care outpost on Jupiter then you don't care outpost on Jupiter then you don't care as much right true true it's a good as much right true true it's a good as much right true true it's a good point yeah I notic somebody made a point yeah I notic somebody made a point yeah I notic somebody made a comment on the LinkedIn machine about comment on the LinkedIn machine about comment on the LinkedIn machine about how in Dune 2 AI was outlawed in that

how in Dune 2 AI was outlawed in that how in Dune 2 AI was outlawed in that world because it it caused too much world because it it caused too much world because it it caused too much disruption everything so it's not disruption everything so it's not disruption everything so it's not allowed I totally forgot about that and allowed I totally forgot about that and allowed I totally forgot about that and now I'm have to go back and watch do now I'm have to go back and watch do now I'm have to go back and watch do happen you never know I like those suits happen you never know I like those suits happen you never know I like those suits they had the the water suits yeah they had the the water suits yeah they had the the water suits yeah they're cool we're going to need those they're cool we're going to need those they're cool we're going to need those pretty soon in some of our war pulling pretty soon in some of our war pulling pretty soon in some of our war pulling them I think it's not just AI they're them I think it's not just AI they're them I think it's not just AI they're they're actually they ban the thinking they're actually they ban the thinking they're actually they ban the thinking machines thinking machines okay okay all machines thinking machines okay okay all machines thinking machines okay okay all right funny right funny right funny yeah there's that one the series on Max yeah there's that one the series on Max yeah there's that one the series on Max there's like the Dune series I I heard there's like the Dune series I I heard there's like the Dune series I I heard it's pretty good oh really oh I struggle it's pretty good oh really oh I struggle it's pretty good oh really oh I struggle with it thing you know I haven't had my with it thing you know I haven't had my with it thing you know I haven't had my uh I had my house you know not House of uh I had my house you know not House of uh I had my house you know not House of Cards um the uh Game of Thrones moment Cards um the uh Game of Thrones moment Cards um the uh Game of Thrones moment with it yeah I see you you know what I'm with it yeah I see you you know what I'm with it yeah I see you you know what I'm saying there's a good show out um I saying there's a good show out um I saying there's a good show out um I think it just finished his first season think it just finished his first season think it just finished his first season called the called the called the agency U has Michael fast Bender in it U agency U has Michael fast Bender in it U agency U has Michael fast Bender in it U Jeffrey Wright Jeffrey Wright Jeffrey Wright um uh Richard gears in it it's great I um uh Richard gears in it it's great I um uh Richard gears in it it's great I really love really love really love it I basically don't watch TV at all so it I basically don't watch TV at all so it I basically don't watch TV at all so a lot of people kept sending me articles a lot of people kept sending me articles a lot of people kept sending me articles and I decided to watch it this fantastic and I decided to watch it this fantastic and I decided to watch it this fantastic so a lot of spycraft stuff old school so a lot of spycraft stuff old school so a lot of spycraft stuff old school and new school things I love the whole and new school things I love the whole and new school things I love the whole you know um uh you know right to know you know um uh you know right to know you know um uh you know right to know all that other type of stuff like you all that other type of stuff like you all that other type of stuff like you know who who can see what or who can know who who can see what or who can know who who can see what or who can know what you know so I to do a shout

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