IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 170 - BEAD & Connected Equity

party up baby party up baby y'all go made me lose my mind up in here words to live by by DMX rest in peace my words to live by by DMX rest in peace my brother brother brother what's up is that for you you know Jeff what's up is that for you you know Jeff what's up is that for you you know Jeff yes sir devlinsky of mountain connect is yes sir devlinsky of mountain connect is yes sir devlinsky of mountain connect is with us this weekend with us this weekend with us this weekend how's our how's everything going iot how's our how's everything going iot how's our how's everything going iot Coffee Talk universe but that should Coffee Talk universe but that should Coffee Talk universe but that should have been our walk-up Music Man have been our walk-up Music Man have been our walk-up Music Man I noticed we got no walk-up music I noticed we got no walk-up music I noticed we got no walk-up music please mama oh it was it was the poultry please mama oh it was it was the poultry please mama oh it was it was the poultry attire you're wearing tired uh-oh I don't even know what that tired uh-oh I don't even know what that upholstery attire looked like it was upholstery attire looked like it was upholstery attire looked like it was what you see we see Leonard wearing yeah what you see we see Leonard wearing yeah what you see we see Leonard wearing yeah you're wearing all you're wearing uh we you're wearing all you're wearing uh we you're wearing all you're wearing uh we were all wearing the shirts oh yes we were all wearing the shirts oh yes we were all wearing the shirts oh yes we were wearing your shirts from Etsy yeah were wearing your shirts from Etsy yeah were wearing your shirts from Etsy yeah Etsy build yeah that's right we're here Etsy build yeah that's right we're here Etsy build yeah that's right we're here to keep your FC business in business you to keep your FC business in business you to keep your FC business in business you know oh I'm making that Dollar on that know oh I'm making that Dollar on that know oh I'm making that Dollar on that Etsy people have a choice charity or fashion people have a choice charity or fashion there you go it's pretty clear-cut I there you go it's pretty clear-cut I there you go it's pretty clear-cut I mean you know you either have a good mean you know you either have a good mean you know you either have a good heart or you know you just want to look heart or you know you just want to look heart or you know you just want to look or you don't one or the other I mean or you don't one or the other I mean or you don't one or the other I mean how many people want to look bad and be how many people want to look bad and be how many people want to look bad and be you know just completely selfish I mean you know just completely selfish I mean you know just completely selfish I mean I don't think yeah but how many people I don't think yeah but how many people I don't think yeah but how many people don't know they look bad

okay Bill you always have and Bill you okay Bill you always have and Bill you always have the best t-shirts what does always have the best t-shirts what does always have the best t-shirts what does your shirt say oh this is this is my my your shirt say oh this is this is my my your shirt say oh this is this is my my Venice Beach oh gotcha Venice Beach oh gotcha Venice Beach oh gotcha but but it's not that it's the Hat it's but but it's not that it's the Hat it's but but it's not that it's the Hat it's the buff oh I love it oh my gosh custom hats we I love it oh my gosh custom hats we gotta get one of those iot coffee top gotta get one of those iot coffee top gotta get one of those iot coffee top custom hats fa and fo f-a and f o custom hats fa and fo f-a and f o custom hats fa and fo f-a and f o everyone needs to recognize that yeah everyone needs to recognize that yeah everyone needs to recognize that yeah boom awesome boom awesome boom awesome so Jeff hey yes sir man so Jeff hey yes sir man so Jeff hey yes sir man um congratulations on a great event last um congratulations on a great event last um congratulations on a great event last week week week um Bill Rob and I were there and uh we um Bill Rob and I were there and uh we um Bill Rob and I were there and uh we have an episode that we cut last week so have an episode that we cut last week so have an episode that we cut last week so folks if you missed out we were sitting folks if you missed out we were sitting folks if you missed out we were sitting it on stage I had a iot coffee talk live it on stage I had a iot coffee talk live it on stage I had a iot coffee talk live at Mountain connect 2023 so Jeff hey why at Mountain connect 2023 so Jeff hey why at Mountain connect 2023 so Jeff hey why don't you don't you don't you share with our audience what is Mountain share with our audience what is Mountain share with our audience what is Mountain connect connect connect and and and so this year we so Mountain connect is so this year we so Mountain connect is so this year we so Mountain connect is one of one of the last independent one of one of the last independent one of one of the last independent Broadband conferences in the U.S Broadband conferences in the U.S Broadband conferences in the U.S and when I say independent we're not and when I say independent we're not and when I say independent we're not affiliated with affiliated with affiliated with um Association we're not an association um Association we're not an association um Association we're not an association so we don't have members so it's a it's so we don't have members so it's a it's so we don't have members so it's a it's a ground up uh effort and this year we a ground up uh effort and this year we a ground up uh effort and this year we celebrate our ninth year celebrate our ninth year celebrate our ninth year and when I took it over

and when I took it over and when I took it over it was very narrowly focused event when it was very narrowly focused event when it was very narrowly focused event when I say narrow I say narrow I say narrow the folks in attendance was really a the folks in attendance was really a the folks in attendance was really a one-day seminar one-day seminar one-day seminar um or from the western slope of Colorado um or from the western slope of Colorado um or from the western slope of Colorado talking about our b-top grant and its talking about our b-top grant and its talking about our b-top grant and its impact potential impact to Western Slope impact potential impact to Western Slope impact potential impact to Western Slope communities about 80 people and this communities about 80 people and this communities about 80 people and this year year year you know the share we had just under 900 you know the share we had just under 900 you know the share we had just under 900 people there so and and sometimes you people there so and and sometimes you people there so and and sometimes you have to be careful what you ask for have to be careful what you ask for have to be careful what you ask for right so right so right so i i attended Mountain connect in the i i attended Mountain connect in the i i attended Mountain connect in the early days because I started Colorado's early days because I started Colorado's early days because I started Colorado's first local technology planning team first local technology planning team first local technology planning team down in the southwest part of Colorado down in the southwest part of Colorado down in the southwest part of Colorado where I used to live where I used to live where I used to live and one I think the second year I and one I think the second year I and one I think the second year I attended I went to the guy who was attended I went to the guy who was attended I went to the guy who was running and I said running and I said running and I said you know we should you should really you know we should you should really you know we should you should really think about expanding this at a minimum think about expanding this at a minimum think about expanding this at a minimum to include you know the rest of the to include you know the rest of the to include you know the rest of the state of Colorado and he said well state of Colorado and he said well state of Colorado and he said well if you want to expand it you take it if you want to expand it you take it if you want to expand it you take it over over over and so he handed it to me and you know and so he handed it to me and you know and so he handed it to me and you know I've never never run a conference before I've never never run a conference before I've never never run a conference before so I've managed to so I've managed to so I've managed to um over the years grow at you know from um over the years grow at you know from um over the years grow at you know from 80 to 900 80 to 900 80 to 900 um and hopefully it'll continue to grow um and hopefully it'll continue to grow um and hopefully it'll continue to grow a little bit I don't want it to grow a little bit I don't want it to grow a little bit I don't want it to grow Beyond a certain number but because I Beyond a certain number but because I Beyond a certain number but because I think you start to lose think you start to lose think you start to lose Network value yeah yeah Network value yeah yeah Network value yeah yeah um so for for the attendees um so for for the attendees um so for for the attendees um but I think one of the reasons why it um but I think one of the reasons why it um but I think one of the reasons why it continues to to grow is what you know continues to to grow is what you know continues to to grow is what you know we're I'm focused on the folks who need we're I'm focused on the folks who need we're I'm focused on the folks who need help so it's always going to be the tier

help so it's always going to be the tier help so it's always going to be the tier three tier four communities counties three tier four communities counties three tier four communities counties with telcos utilities yeah yeah schools with telcos utilities yeah yeah schools with telcos utilities yeah yeah schools Health Care Health Care Health Care um I have a very diverse agenda which um um I have a very diverse agenda which um um I have a very diverse agenda which um goes out into the core of the network goes out into the core of the network goes out into the core of the network and comes all the way in into the edge and comes all the way in into the edge and comes all the way in into the edge not a lot of conferences that do that not a lot of conferences that do that not a lot of conferences that do that I'm also technology agnostic for the I'm also technology agnostic for the I'm also technology agnostic for the most part most part most part so Wireless has always been a part of so Wireless has always been a part of so Wireless has always been a part of the conference the conference the conference um not a big fan of satellite has a um not a big fan of satellite has a um not a big fan of satellite has a place but um place but um place but um it it doesn't necessarily have a place it it doesn't necessarily have a place it it doesn't necessarily have a place uh on my agenda so oh darling baby twist uh on my agenda so oh darling baby twist uh on my agenda so oh darling baby twist the knife you don't want a little bit the knife you don't want a little bit the knife you don't want a little bit showing I've been charging you uh his showing I've been charging you uh his showing I've been charging you uh his keynote fees right keynote fees right keynote fees right well listen a jillion dollars well listen a jillion dollars well listen a jillion dollars at the end of the day it has a place but at the end of the day it has a place but at the end of the day it has a place but I think it has a very narrow I think it has a very narrow I think it has a very narrow and has very narrow value and if we're and has very narrow value and if we're and has very narrow value and if we're really talking about really talking about really talking about not only not only not only um connecting folks in rural areas but um connecting folks in rural areas but um connecting folks in rural areas but more importantly making sure that we more importantly making sure that we more importantly making sure that we connect connect connect people who who may live in communities people who who may live in communities people who who may live in communities in Metro areas and are surrounded by in Metro areas and are surrounded by in Metro areas and are surrounded by amazing infrastructure but are not being amazing infrastructure but are not being amazing infrastructure but are not being served or being underserved because of served or being underserved because of served or being underserved because of demographics demographics demographics that's a bigger problem we need to solve that's a bigger problem we need to solve that's a bigger problem we need to solve because everyone should have because everyone should have because everyone should have Equitable access to compete in a global Equitable access to compete in a global Equitable access to compete in a global economy and I think I think if you look economy and I think I think if you look economy and I think I think if you look at Economic Development numbers

at Economic Development numbers at Economic Development numbers and I think I talked about this a little and I think I talked about this a little and I think I talked about this a little bit at the conference to think about bit at the conference to think about bit at the conference to think about applying for a job today applying for a job today applying for a job today if you don't have access to the tools if you don't have access to the tools if you don't have access to the tools try to create a resume and submit that try to create a resume and submit that try to create a resume and submit that resume then you're not going to be able resume then you're not going to be able resume then you're not going to be able to compete and I think as we look to compete and I think as we look to compete and I think as we look forward to forward to forward to one of my passion projects is emerging one of my passion projects is emerging one of my passion projects is emerging technology applications and I think what technology applications and I think what technology applications and I think what we're what what's coming is going to we're what what's coming is going to we're what what's coming is going to have a massive impact have a massive impact have a massive impact on the way we work entertain ourselves on the way we work entertain ourselves on the way we work entertain ourselves educate ourselves educate ourselves educate ourselves um Health Care you know care for um Health Care you know care for um Health Care you know care for ourselves as well so we everyone needs ourselves as well so we everyone needs ourselves as well so we everyone needs to have Equitable access to have Equitable access to have Equitable access yeah yeah yeah for sure for sure for sure good stuff we certainly learned a lot good stuff we certainly learned a lot good stuff we certainly learned a lot this last week like we really all three this last week like we really all three this last week like we really all three of us three of mikos who were there of us three of mikos who were there of us three of mikos who were there learned so much learned so much learned so much lots of new acronyms lots of new acronyms lots of new acronyms learned about the Nitty Gritty the learned about the Nitty Gritty the learned about the Nitty Gritty the nitty-gritty you know the the big deal I nitty-gritty you know the the big deal I nitty-gritty you know the the big deal I haven't read the whatever 9 800 page haven't read the whatever 9 800 page haven't read the whatever 9 800 page document which has its own acronym document which has its own acronym document which has its own acronym what's it what is it Domo fomo photo what's it what is it Domo fomo photo what's it what is it Domo fomo photo fomo actual document that people were actual document that people were throwing around the the note well throwing around the the note well throwing around the the note well there's there's two acronyms there's the

there's there's two acronyms there's the there's there's two acronyms there's the notice of funding opportunity notice of funding opportunity notice of funding opportunity and then there's the um funny now and then there's the um funny now and then there's the um funny now location location location so those were the two big announcements so those were the two big announcements so those were the two big announcements and unless you're talking about build and unless you're talking about build and unless you're talking about build America by America America by America America by America Baba yeah no I won that one but it was Baba yeah no I won that one but it was Baba yeah no I won that one but it was specifically related to the release or specifically related to the release or specifically related to the release or the whatever of the document that the whatever of the document that the whatever of the document that everybody uses to figure out all the everybody uses to figure out all the everybody uses to figure out all the bead stuff and everybody was throwing bead stuff and everybody was throwing bead stuff and everybody was throwing around a four-letter acronym for what it around a four-letter acronym for what it around a four-letter acronym for what it was called was called was called um and it might have been one of the two um and it might have been one of the two um and it might have been one of the two things you just said anyway yeah that things you just said anyway yeah that things you just said anyway yeah that was that was I heard that a lot oh was that was I heard that a lot oh was that was I heard that a lot oh you're talking about nofo probably no no you're talking about nofo probably no no you're talking about nofo probably no no that's the notice of funding opportunity that's the notice of funding opportunity that's the notice of funding opportunity yes yes yes yes yes yes just think just think mofo take the him just think just think mofo take the him just think just think mofo take the him off that's a common um Government that's a common um Government Contracting term but well excuse you Rob Contracting term but well excuse you Rob Contracting term but well excuse you Rob because you just woke up so yeah because you just woke up so yeah because you just woke up so yeah I like mofo better can we change it I like mofo better can we change it I like mofo better can we change it that's what I'm saying no you know did that's what I'm saying no you know did that's what I'm saying no you know did you get the mofo you get the mofo you get the mofo I downloaded the mofo yeah well I'm I downloaded the mofo yeah well I'm I downloaded the mofo yeah well I'm gonna I'm gonna check I'm gonna have to gonna I'm gonna check I'm gonna have to gonna I'm gonna check I'm gonna have to check out y'all's performance because I check out y'all's performance because I check out y'all's performance because I I saw that when I looked at iot Coffee I saw that when I looked at iot Coffee I saw that when I looked at iot Coffee Talk this morning and it didn't have an Talk this morning and it didn't have an Talk this morning and it didn't have an episode number but I'm like what is this episode number but I'm like what is this episode number but I'm like what is this Standalone little thing so I haven't Standalone little thing so I haven't Standalone little thing so I haven't watched it yet but I'll have to check it watched it yet but I'll have to check it watched it yet but I'll have to check it out okay well it's it's um one is it 170 out okay well it's it's um one is it 170 out okay well it's it's um one is it 170 or 169 or 169. 169 yeah we artificially or 169 or 169. 169 yeah we artificially or 169 or 169. 169 yeah we artificially put them for the podcast I threw a put them for the podcast I threw a put them for the podcast I threw a number on it just so yeah because I I

number on it just so yeah because I I number on it just so yeah because I I don't know if Bill and I were aware that don't know if Bill and I were aware that don't know if Bill and I were aware that Leonard ended up taping a coffee talk Leonard ended up taping a coffee talk Leonard ended up taping a coffee talk right after we did our session that right after we did our session that right after we did our session that morning and so I was like oh where did morning and so I was like oh where did morning and so I was like oh where did this come from okay you got to figure this come from okay you got to figure this come from okay you got to figure out oh a two-for-one special it was a out oh a two-for-one special it was a out oh a two-for-one special it was a two for one two for one two for one yeah look at all the coverage you got yeah look at all the coverage you got yeah look at all the coverage you got Jeff double feature pretty good right Jeff double feature pretty good right Jeff double feature pretty good right you gotta coverage Coffee Talk you gotta coverage Coffee Talk you gotta coverage Coffee Talk representation yes but how many eyeballs representation yes but how many eyeballs representation yes but how many eyeballs how many eyeballs dozens hey iot iot how many eyeballs dozens hey iot iot how many eyeballs dozens hey iot iot coffee talk alone has 200 million and coffee talk alone has 200 million and coffee talk alone has 200 million and subscribers lots of influencers on are on that show lots of influencers on are on that show we're really big on the dark web by the we're really big on the dark web by the we're really big on the dark web by the way that sounds like a mofo bill we love it yeah absolutely absolutely we love it yeah absolutely absolutely well did you guys get to enjoy some well did you guys get to enjoy some well did you guys get to enjoy some mountain era while you were there while mountain era while you were there while mountain era while you were there while you were there especially bill in this you were there especially bill in this you were there especially bill in this leaving this hundred and leaving this hundred and leaving this hundred and 510 degree weather my goodness that that 510 degree weather my goodness that that 510 degree weather my goodness that that weather there was was awesome in weather there was was awesome in weather there was was awesome in comparison to what we have in comparison comparison to what we have in comparison comparison to what we have in comparison to that disrespectful Texas weather it to that disrespectful Texas weather it to that disrespectful Texas weather it is isn't it it is disrespectful very is isn't it it is disrespectful very is isn't it it is disrespectful very much so much so much so I know one of the highlights for Bill I know one of the highlights for Bill I know one of the highlights for Bill and I was going out for the ice cream and I was going out for the ice cream and I was going out for the ice cream taco truck thing taco truck thing taco truck thing I miss that you missed it Leonard I miss that you missed it Leonard I miss that you missed it Leonard there's the taco ice cream tacos thing

there's the taco ice cream tacos thing there's the taco ice cream tacos thing during one of the breaks in the during one of the breaks in the during one of the breaks in the afternoon and so that that was memorable from the ice cream taco truck actually from the ice cream taco truck actually you know because that thing was like a you know because that thing was like a you know because that thing was like a tractor beam pulling people in you know tractor beam pulling people in you know tractor beam pulling people in you know was there a wait for it yeah there was a was there a wait for it yeah there was a was there a wait for it yeah there was a line there's a line people wanted it line there's a line people wanted it line there's a line people wanted it there was somebody I suppose it somebody there was somebody I suppose it somebody there was somebody I suppose it somebody was sponsoring what's it broadcast money was sponsoring what's it broadcast money was sponsoring what's it broadcast money Broadband about money yeah I don't even Broadband about money yeah I don't even Broadband about money yeah I don't even know what that is is that money for know what that is is that money for know what that is is that money for Broadband sounds like a crypto Broadband sounds like a crypto Broadband sounds like a crypto they um provide help well if you know um provide help well if you know anything about government funding it's anything about government funding it's anything about government funding it's it's uh it's like it's uh it's like it's uh it's like pushing a heavy Rock up a mountain pushing a heavy Rock up a mountain pushing a heavy Rock up a mountain there's there's a lot of work involved there's there's a lot of work involved there's there's a lot of work involved in getting through the grant process but in getting through the grant process but in getting through the grant process but but in this case but in this case but in this case um one of the things that they're um one of the things that they're um one of the things that they're helping with is is mapping so the helping with is is mapping so the helping with is is mapping so the quality of our national Broadband map is quality of our national Broadband map is quality of our national Broadband map is not even though they're in the midst of not even though they're in the midst of not even though they're in the midst of trying to correct it it's always going trying to correct it it's always going trying to correct it it's always going to have flaws in it so that they they to have flaws in it so that they they to have flaws in it so that they they provide provide provide um consulting services in and around um consulting services in and around um consulting services in and around that as well as the grant funding that as well as the grant funding that as well as the grant funding portion of it and really trying to help portion of it and really trying to help portion of it and really trying to help state governments think about the best state governments think about the best state governments think about the best way to deploy and utilize the beat funds way to deploy and utilize the beat funds way to deploy and utilize the beat funds yeah okay as to the Genesis of the name yeah okay as to the Genesis of the name yeah okay as to the Genesis of the name I have I have no Rhyme or Reason or

I have I have no Rhyme or Reason or I have I have no Rhyme or Reason or understanding of how they that was the understanding of how they that was the understanding of how they that was the only um that was the only dot available only um that was the only dot available only um that was the only dot available at the time was Dot money at the time was Dot money at the time was Dot money no Dot money was the thing that's no Dot money was the thing that's no Dot money was the thing that's awesome you need that Rob Tiffany Dot awesome you need that Rob Tiffany Dot awesome you need that Rob Tiffany Dot money I'm gonna go register show me the money I'm gonna go register show me the money I'm gonna go register show me the uh on maps at your event Maps bad Maps get on maps at your event Maps bad Maps get better Maps GIS better Maps GIS better Maps GIS a lot of people don't even know what a lot of people don't even know what a lot of people don't even know what maps have to do with anything like the maps have to do with anything like the maps have to do with anything like the average person you know so the the average person you know so the the average person you know so the the problem historically has been with the problem historically has been with the problem historically has been with the maps is that well maps is that well maps is that well funding is based on the credibility funding is based on the credibility funding is based on the credibility encased within the maps right and the encased within the maps right and the encased within the maps right and the problem has always been that problem has always been that problem has always been that um what what you find if you go look at um what what you find if you go look at um what what you find if you go look at the national Broadband map previously to the national Broadband map previously to the national Broadband map previously to this latest iteration it was it was done this latest iteration it was it was done this latest iteration it was it was done by advertised speeds rather than actual by advertised speeds rather than actual by advertised speeds rather than actual speeds so if you look at a census block speeds so if you look at a census block speeds so if you look at a census block and let's just say your your census and let's just say your your census and let's just say your your census block Rob where you live if you were block Rob where you live if you were block Rob where you live if you were served served served but nobody else in your census block but nobody else in your census block but nobody else in your census block will served that census block would be will served that census block would be will served that census block would be considered served but then there's a lot considered served but then there's a lot considered served but then there's a lot of debate around the quality of and and of debate around the quality of and and of debate around the quality of and and the

the the um you know actually whether or not the um you know actually whether or not the um you know actually whether or not the service your provider is suggesting that service your provider is suggesting that service your provider is suggesting that you have is actually in line with you have is actually in line with you have is actually in line with reality of what you're experiencing so reality of what you're experiencing so reality of what you're experiencing so if they say that you're getting I'm just if they say that you're getting I'm just if they say that you're getting I'm just making numbers up here you know a 25 by making numbers up here you know a 25 by making numbers up here you know a 25 by 3 connection but you rarely see 25 or 3 3 connection but you rarely see 25 or 3 3 connection but you rarely see 25 or 3 um then there's a problem with with what um then there's a problem with with what um then there's a problem with with what they're reporting to the FCC in terms of they're reporting to the FCC in terms of they're reporting to the FCC in terms of the service they're delivering to you the service they're delivering to you the service they're delivering to you yeah historically that has been a big yeah historically that has been a big yeah historically that has been a big problem because you could you could problem because you could you could problem because you could you could effectively lock a census block down effectively lock a census block down effectively lock a census block down from federal funding right based on the from federal funding right based on the from federal funding right based on the example I just gave you so the the what example I just gave you so the the what example I just gave you so the the what they're trying to do now is they're they're trying to do now is they're they're trying to do now is they're actually they're trying to bridge that actually they're trying to bridge that actually they're trying to bridge that Gap by May by Gap by May by Gap by May by um by you utilizing speed test results um by you utilizing speed test results um by you utilizing speed test results um at a local level now the problem with um at a local level now the problem with um at a local level now the problem with that is there's a lot of consumers that is there's a lot of consumers that is there's a lot of consumers don't either don't know uh speeds what a don't either don't know uh speeds what a don't either don't know uh speeds what a speed test is speed test is speed test is how to access it or even care how to access it or even care how to access it or even care yeah yeah yeah and no this is this is super interesting and no this is this is super interesting and no this is this is super interesting stuff because you know I where I live stuff because you know I where I live stuff because you know I where I live and I live and I live and I live pretty close to the Qualcomm pretty close to the Qualcomm pretty close to the Qualcomm headquarters and what you would consider headquarters and what you would consider headquarters and what you would consider 5G Ville and I swear to God I get SOS 5G Ville and I swear to God I get SOS 5G Ville and I swear to God I get SOS service service service here your iPhone goes into satellite SOS here your iPhone goes into satellite SOS here your iPhone goes into satellite SOS yeah like you're climbing the Andes yeah like you're climbing the Andes yeah like you're climbing the Andes Mountains it's actually gotten worse I

Mountains it's actually gotten worse I Mountains it's actually gotten worse I used to get 5G and I'm in a 5G coverage used to get 5G and I'm in a 5G coverage used to get 5G and I'm in a 5G coverage area but the only way that I can area but the only way that I can area but the only way that I can um I I mean what do you do when the um I I mean what do you do when the um I I mean what do you do when the carrier you can you can call to carry carrier you can you can call to carry carrier you can you can call to carry out and say hey look I'm getting SOS in out and say hey look I'm getting SOS in out and say hey look I'm getting SOS in your your 5G coverage area and the only your your 5G coverage area and the only your your 5G coverage area and the only thing they tell you in response is well thing they tell you in response is well thing they tell you in response is well you know we're we're eventually going to you know we're we're eventually going to you know we're we're eventually going to upgrade our Network we only have one upgrade our Network we only have one upgrade our Network we only have one cell tower and then you go and you delve cell tower and then you go and you delve cell tower and then you go and you delve into what they have in the area and it's into what they have in the area and it's into what they have in the area and it's like a a single uh single low band Tower like a a single uh single low band Tower like a a single uh single low band Tower servicing a bunch of and this is this is servicing a bunch of and this is this is servicing a bunch of and this is this is this is a rather this is a rather this is a rather well-to-do area we're not talking about well-to-do area we're not talking about well-to-do area we're not talking about rural we're talking about dense uh sub rural we're talking about dense uh sub rural we're talking about dense uh sub person but person but person but huh this has always been the problem and huh this has always been the problem and huh this has always been the problem and this is I think you and I have discussed this is I think you and I have discussed this is I think you and I have discussed this before but yeah the problem is is this before but yeah the problem is is this before but yeah the problem is is uh mobile service this is a giant uh mobile service this is a giant uh mobile service this is a giant fallacy for me I just I just think it's fallacy for me I just I just think it's fallacy for me I just I just think it's it's it's it's vapor nonsense it's it's it's vapor nonsense it's it's it's vapor nonsense oh yeah the problem has always been and oh yeah the problem has always been and oh yeah the problem has always been and I always make this argument it doesn't I always make this argument it doesn't I always make this argument it doesn't matter what iteration of of mobile matter what iteration of of mobile matter what iteration of of mobile service we have 5G 4G 3G and go service we have 5G 4G 3G and go service we have 5G 4G 3G and go backwards how is it in 2023 after how backwards how is it in 2023 after how backwards how is it in 2023 after how many years now have we been have has the many years now have we been have has the many years now have we been have has the industry been touting 5G is it four

industry been touting 5G is it four industry been touting 5G is it four three four years oh more than that okay three four years oh more than that okay three four years oh more than that okay so so how is it in 2023 so so how is it in 2023 so so how is it in 2023 then you bring up a good example that I then you bring up a good example that I then you bring up a good example that I can be in downtown Denver and I can have can be in downtown Denver and I can have can be in downtown Denver and I can have 5G which I know it's not yeah for 4G LTE 5G which I know it's not yeah for 4G LTE 5G which I know it's not yeah for 4G LTE or I could have no G or I could have no G or I could have no G oh yeah I could have your experience oh yeah I could have your experience oh yeah I could have your experience right how is it right how is it right how is it so there's not enough there's not enough so there's not enough there's not enough so there's not enough there's not enough infrastructure supporting the demand and infrastructure supporting the demand and infrastructure supporting the demand and the you know device utilization on the you know device utilization on the you know device utilization on network network network and this is always going to be a problem and this is always going to be a problem and this is always going to be a problem so when people talk about 5g's so when people talk about 5g's so when people talk about 5g's capabilities uh of of handling the the capabilities uh of of handling the the capabilities uh of of handling the the workload of emerging technology workload of emerging technology workload of emerging technology applications I kind of just Snicker at applications I kind of just Snicker at applications I kind of just Snicker at that because I don't see how it's that because I don't see how it's that because I don't see how it's possible possible possible yeah no I mean the reliability aspect is yeah no I mean the reliability aspect is yeah no I mean the reliability aspect is is a big problem and then also as a is a big problem and then also as a is a big problem and then also as a service provider you have no uh service provider you have no uh service provider you have no uh Assurance metrics to work with right and Assurance metrics to work with right and Assurance metrics to work with right and it's it's just um yeah that's pretty nasty dude yeah that's pretty nasty dude it says I have 5G Ultra capacity which it says I have 5G Ultra capacity which it says I have 5G Ultra capacity which is what T-Mobile cause have in their mid is what T-Mobile cause have in their mid is what T-Mobile cause have in their mid band from Sprint in some places I get band from Sprint in some places I get band from Sprint in some places I get one gig down but right here from my one gig down but right here from my one gig down but right here from my house I'm 17 down and 1.93 up house I'm 17 down and 1.93 up house I'm 17 down and 1.93 up yeah it's and so I'm gonna say I'm gonna yeah it's and so I'm gonna say I'm gonna yeah it's and so I'm gonna say I'm gonna give that a big no bueno yeah yeah well give that a big no bueno yeah yeah well give that a big no bueno yeah yeah well you know I get satellite I have SOS you know I get satellite I have SOS you know I get satellite I have SOS emergency so in other words if there's

emergency so in other words if there's emergency so in other words if there's an emergency I have to walk outside an emergency I have to walk outside an emergency I have to walk outside wave you know point my phone up in the wave you know point my phone up in the wave you know point my phone up in the air and use that little satellite you air and use that little satellite you air and use that little satellite you know the emergency SOS happened I hope know the emergency SOS happened I hope know the emergency SOS happened I hope that one of the satellites passes over that one of the satellites passes over that one of the satellites passes over on a cloudy day we started talking about the maps and we started talking about the maps and and Jeff you may you may you you said and Jeff you may you may you you said and Jeff you may you may you you said something that kind of sparked me a bit something that kind of sparked me a bit something that kind of sparked me a bit and that was census block oh yeah so my and that was census block oh yeah so my and that was census block oh yeah so my thing my thing is I don't understand how thing my thing is I don't understand how thing my thing is I don't understand how anyone can have anything to say when anyone can have anything to say when anyone can have anything to say when you're using two-year-old data is not accurate well what do you mean by is not accurate well what do you mean by two-year-old data okay so nine times out two-year-old data okay so nine times out two-year-old data okay so nine times out of ten when they're when they're when of ten when they're when they're when of ten when they're when they're when they're using the census block data to they're using the census block data to they're using the census block data to create the maps first create the maps first create the maps first right saying I've got a block of of an right saying I've got a block of of an right saying I've got a block of of an area based on the Census Data area based on the Census Data area based on the Census Data and the speeds that are associated so and the speeds that are associated so and the speeds that are associated so yes I Mr Telco provider am delivering yes I Mr Telco provider am delivering yes I Mr Telco provider am delivering service to this area and and so service to this area and and so service to this area and and so advertised speeds that's one thing advertised speeds that's one thing advertised speeds that's one thing that's you can advertise whatever that's you can advertise whatever that's you can advertise whatever whatever you want right yep um whatever you want right yep um whatever you want right yep um but if it's the it's what are how are

but if it's the it's what are how are but if it's the it's what are how are you delivering that if you are a cable you delivering that if you are a cable you delivering that if you are a cable provider and you got copper running then you're sharing that with everyone then you're sharing that with everyone yeah of course yeah of course yeah of course right yep if you've got fiber then okay right yep if you've got fiber then okay right yep if you've got fiber then okay how are your pawns set up and all that how are your pawns set up and all that how are your pawns set up and all that stuff it really gets into the technical stuff it really gets into the technical stuff it really gets into the technical layer of of all of of all of that in layer of of all of of all of that in layer of of all of of all of that in terms of what you're actually delivering terms of what you're actually delivering terms of what you're actually delivering I think you need to show proof and not I think you need to show proof and not I think you need to show proof and not just one time proof I think you need to just one time proof I think you need to just one time proof I think you need to show Regular proof that your service is show Regular proof that your service is show Regular proof that your service is five nines four nines five nines four nines five nines four nines of this data rate delivery well well in of this data rate delivery well well in of this data rate delivery well well in in a perfect world you'd be right in a perfect world you'd be right in a perfect world you'd be right but I just want to address something so but I just want to address something so but I just want to address something so every year every year every year uh isps are required is that from your uh isps are required is that from your uh isps are required is that from your list list list that's from my whisk that's from my whisk that's from my whisk oh wow you're kicking the crap out of oh wow you're kicking the crap out of oh wow you're kicking the crap out of T-Mobile your whisk just killed my ultra T-Mobile your whisk just killed my ultra T-Mobile your whisk just killed my ultra capacity mid band capacity mid band capacity mid band every year isps are required to submit a every year isps are required to submit a every year isps are required to submit a submit data on their Network and it submit data on their Network and it submit data on their Network and it basically contains basically contains basically contains um it's supposed to contain anyways um it's supposed to contain anyways um it's supposed to contain anyways um actual service fees are delivering um actual service fees are delivering um actual service fees are delivering within their Network that that is what within their Network that that is what within their Network that that is what makes up the the map I mean at a very makes up the the map I mean at a very makes up the the map I mean at a very high level high level high level so every year that's required doesn't so every year that's required doesn't so every year that's required doesn't matter who you are with Patelco cable matter who you are with Patelco cable matter who you are with Patelco cable company company company um Etc you have to provide that

um Etc you have to provide that um Etc you have to provide that information information information but again who's who's providing but again who's who's providing but again who's who's providing oversight in terms of the accuracy of oversight in terms of the accuracy of oversight in terms of the accuracy of that data that's being turned in and that data that's being turned in and that data that's being turned in and that's the problem yes that's the problem yes that's the problem yes yes yes yes you're getting ready to do when you're you're getting ready to do when you're you're getting ready to do when you're getting ready to do Broadband Master getting ready to do Broadband Master getting ready to do Broadband Master plans and things like that in a number plans and things like that in a number plans and things like that in a number of instances if you're working with the of instances if you're working with the of instances if you're working with the city or or municipality or what have you city or or municipality or what have you city or or municipality or what have you they may not have GIS they may not have GIS they may not have GIS so now you got to scale this stuff back so now you got to scale this stuff back so now you got to scale this stuff back to do the best that you can to kind of to do the best that you can to kind of to do the best that you can to kind of give an hld high level design um and everything like that I mean um and everything like that I mean I don't know I I have personally found I don't know I I have personally found I don't know I I have personally found it challenging to uh to land on a I'm it challenging to uh to land on a I'm it challenging to uh to land on a I'm confident that this is what you're gonna confident that this is what you're gonna confident that this is what you're gonna get right right yeah well by the way get right right yeah well by the way get right right yeah well by the way this is what I have yeah can you see this is what I have yeah can you see this is what I have yeah can you see that that that 31.5 it popped in for a second you got 31.5 it popped in for a second you got 31.5 it popped in for a second you got put in front of your face it's it's it's put in front of your face it's it's it's put in front of your face it's it's it's a oh 3 15 216. yeah oh 3 15 216. yeah is that good this might be but that but is that good this might be but that but is that good this might be but that but that's on Wi-Fi by the way that's not my that's on Wi-Fi by the way that's not my that's on Wi-Fi by the way that's not my right right I don't know that's mobile right right I don't know that's mobile right right I don't know that's mobile yeah I don't dare do mobile oh my gosh yeah I don't dare do mobile oh my gosh yeah I don't dare do mobile oh my gosh wow wow wow 604 39.6 look at that uplink we're not near symmetric but yeah yeah we're not near symmetric but yeah yeah I'm okay with it not being I'm okay with it not being I'm okay with it not being non-symmetrical when you have those

non-symmetrical when you have those non-symmetrical when you have those kinds of numbers bill kinds of numbers bill kinds of numbers bill laughs laughs laughs you trust me we we had we had a number a you trust me we we had we had a number a you trust me we we had we had a number a number of conversations when I was number of conversations when I was number of conversations when I was setting all of this stuff up because I setting all of this stuff up because I setting all of this stuff up because I knew what I was gonna need right now I knew what I was gonna need right now I knew what I was gonna need right now I think I have 98 devices connected in the think I have 98 devices connected in the think I have 98 devices connected in the house house house imagine the interference just 98 just 98 imagine the interference just 98 just 98 imagine the interference just 98 just 98 yeah yeah yeah Leonard imagine the interference floor is not bad at all I have no floor is not bad at all I have no interference oh really hey hey Leonard I interference oh really hey hey Leonard I interference oh really hey hey Leonard I want to design it I I wanted to go back want to design it I I wanted to go back want to design it I I wanted to go back uh and talk about something you said a uh and talk about something you said a uh and talk about something you said a little bit earlier about your there you little bit earlier about your there you little bit earlier about your there you live in and and and draw a parallel you live in and and and draw a parallel you live in and and and draw a parallel you talk about going on an SOS service yeah talk about going on an SOS service yeah talk about going on an SOS service yeah I don't know if you recall on a national I don't know if you recall on a national I don't know if you recall on a national news last year right after Christmas news last year right after Christmas news last year right after Christmas um a city in Boulder experienced a like um a city in Boulder experienced a like um a city in Boulder experienced a like a hurricane fire that basically went a hurricane fire that basically went a hurricane fire that basically went yeah I totally remember that Maui yeah yeah I totally remember that Maui yeah yeah I totally remember that Maui yeah um um um wiped out like a thousand homes in like wiped out like a thousand homes in like wiped out like a thousand homes in like an hour it was a a freak uh it was very an hour it was a a freak uh it was very an hour it was a a freak uh it was very dry dry that year dry dry that year dry dry that year and had these hurricane-like winds come and had these hurricane-like winds come and had these hurricane-like winds come through or 100 plus miles an hour and I through or 100 plus miles an hour and I through or 100 plus miles an hour and I I don't I don't recall how the fire I don't I don't recall how the fire I don't I don't recall how the fire started but anyways it it wiped out a started but anyways it it wiped out a started but anyways it it wiped out a lot but the biggest problem was the lot but the biggest problem was the lot but the biggest problem was the biggest problem was biggest problem was biggest problem was is that is that is that um as you may or may not know there is um as you may or may not know there is um as you may or may not know there is there is an interrelationship between

there is an interrelationship between there is an interrelationship between um Broadband infrastructure from telcos um Broadband infrastructure from telcos um Broadband infrastructure from telcos and the mobile companies it the fire was and the mobile companies it the fire was and the mobile companies it the fire was so hot it melted Comcast so hot it melted Comcast so hot it melted Comcast infrastructure so much so that also what infrastructure so much so that also what infrastructure so much so that also what att's infrastructure and they actually att's infrastructure and they actually att's infrastructure and they actually had to go door to door because cell had to go door to door because cell had to go door to door because cell phones weren't working you were talking about the you were talking about the interconnected relationships between the interconnected relationships between the interconnected relationships between the infrastructure as it's being built infrastructure as it's being built infrastructure as it's being built between like a Comcast and an ATT this between like a Comcast and an ATT this between like a Comcast and an ATT this went down so everything else that was went down so everything else that was went down so everything else that was tied to it went down right because most tied to it went down right because most tied to it went down right because most a lot of people don't know that you know a lot of people don't know that you know a lot of people don't know that you know like for example down in Durango where I like for example down in Durango where I like for example down in Durango where I used to live used to live used to live Charter used to carry Verizon on a Charter used to carry Verizon on a Charter used to carry Verizon on a Durango Durango Durango and the problem with that is is if and the problem with that is is if and the problem with that is is if Charter's infrastructure gets cut or Charter's infrastructure gets cut or Charter's infrastructure gets cut or damaged the Verizon doesn't work anymore damaged the Verizon doesn't work anymore damaged the Verizon doesn't work anymore right and so this was the case this was right and so this was the case this was right and so this was the case this was the case in Superior where in Louisville the case in Superior where in Louisville the case in Superior where in Louisville where this fire happened and they had no where this fire happened and they had no where this fire happened and they had no 9-1-1 Services 9-1-1 Services 9-1-1 Services uh they had to go door to door to get uh they had to go door to door to get uh they had to go door to door to get people out otherwise people out otherwise people out otherwise well not the problem what happened with well not the problem what happened with well not the problem what happened with Maui you know Maui you know Maui you know um that fire um that fire um that fire burned so quickly and spread so quickly burned so quickly and spread so quickly burned so quickly and spread so quickly I mean I mean that's probably what I mean I mean that's probably what I mean I mean that's probably what happened there as well right I mean happened there as well right I mean happened there as well right I mean think about how everybody was even think about how everybody was even think about how everybody was even Emergency Services weren't Emergency Services weren't Emergency Services weren't um coordinated and they couldn't um coordinated and they couldn't um coordinated and they couldn't communicate with citizens right about communicate with citizens right about communicate with citizens right about stuff like this happens right I mean we

stuff like this happens right I mean we stuff like this happens right I mean we had people parked in cars waiting to get had people parked in cars waiting to get had people parked in cars waiting to get out and that's how they perished waiting out and that's how they perished waiting out and that's how they perished waiting when you know somebody could have said when you know somebody could have said when you know somebody could have said hey get out of your freaking car you hey get out of your freaking car you hey get out of your freaking car you know like what they tell you on an know like what they tell you on an know like what they tell you on an airplane if there's an emergency leave airplane if there's an emergency leave airplane if there's an emergency leave all your belongings and all your belongings and all your belongings and you know Run for the exits you know but you know Run for the exits you know but you know Run for the exits you know but in a single file line of course but I mean applications are are critical and I mean applications are are critical and um yeah you're right um yeah you're right um yeah you're right um um um and uh you know in San Diego we get and uh you know in San Diego we get and uh you know in San Diego we get fires and having this I mean it scares fires and having this I mean it scares fires and having this I mean it scares the crap out of me that we only get I the crap out of me that we only get I the crap out of me that we only get I only get SOS I mean seriously if I have only get SOS I mean seriously if I have only get SOS I mean seriously if I have an emergency with anyone in my family an emergency with anyone in my family an emergency with anyone in my family uh the making a phone call is unreliable uh the making a phone call is unreliable uh the making a phone call is unreliable right I I living you know just maybe right I I living you know just maybe right I I living you know just maybe three miles away from the five freeway three miles away from the five freeway three miles away from the five freeway okay but you know spitting distance from okay but you know spitting distance from okay but you know spitting distance from the Qualcomm headquarters have to walk the Qualcomm headquarters have to walk the Qualcomm headquarters have to walk outside hold my phone up and wait for a outside hold my phone up and wait for a outside hold my phone up and wait for a freaking satellite I mean I'm the one in freaking satellite I mean I'm the one in freaking satellite I mean I'm the one in Rural America and the tiny little Rural America and the tiny little Rural America and the tiny little texting help it's crazy texting help it's crazy texting help it's crazy I know you're in in the middle of uh I know you're in in the middle of uh I know you're in in the middle of uh Bandera Ranch Land yeah Ranch Land Ranch Bandera Ranch Land yeah Ranch Land Ranch Bandera Ranch Land yeah Ranch Land Ranch Land come on by God Bandera Land come on by God Bandera Land come on by God Bandera but I'm in a 5G coverage area

but I'm in a 5G coverage area but I'm in a 5G coverage area it's just absolutely and it's just absolutely and it's just absolutely and acceptable what does that mean it acceptable what does that mean it acceptable what does that mean it doesn't mean [ __ ] it doesn't nothing doesn't mean [ __ ] it doesn't nothing doesn't mean [ __ ] it doesn't nothing that means disappointment that means disappointment that means disappointment you you know you know what I say about you you know you know what I say about you you know you know what I say about that that that that [ __ ] will never work the mic you know what I appreciate you the mic you know what I appreciate you should just write a freaking book of should just write a freaking book of should just write a freaking book of like of Bill cuses like of Bill cuses like of Bill cuses and underneath each saying just have and underneath each saying just have and underneath each saying just have like case studies you know what I'm like case studies you know what I'm like case studies you know what I'm saying recommendation that's the it's the truth man it's the that's the it's the truth man it's the truth yeah but it's also it's also the truth yeah but it's also it's also the truth yeah but it's also it's also the danger of marketing oh yeah hype hype we danger of marketing oh yeah hype hype we danger of marketing oh yeah hype hype we always say that on iot copy though hype always say that on iot copy though hype always say that on iot copy though hype is detrimental it is not good it is is is detrimental it is not good it is is is detrimental it is not good it is is something that people who are something that people who are something that people who are opportunistic will uh put in front of opportunistic will uh put in front of opportunistic will uh put in front of people so that they can make a quick people so that they can make a quick people so that they can make a quick Buck this house just like they went on Buck this house just like they went on Buck this house just like they went on that whole the whole rant of 5G is going that whole the whole rant of 5G is going that whole the whole rant of 5G is going to change iot to change iot to change iot what that was like a marketing Hail Mary taking off yeah off as we've been taking off yeah off as we've been waiting for 5G to come along now we can waiting for 5G to come along now we can waiting for 5G to come along now we can get started yeah and when we go right get started yeah and when we go right get started yeah and when we go right back to the same beginning what is 5G back to the same beginning what is 5G back to the same beginning what is 5G without fiber without fiber without fiber not nothing nothing very little a local not nothing nothing very little a local not nothing nothing very little a local network just like what is it just like

network just like what is it just like network just like what is it just like what is EV without fossil fuels boom what is EV without fossil fuels boom what is EV without fossil fuels boom yeah yeah yeah I mean it's just it's kind of ludicrous I mean it's just it's kind of ludicrous I mean it's just it's kind of ludicrous right and then you don't really even right and then you don't really even right and then you don't really even need a core for that shout out to need a core for that shout out to need a core for that shout out to ludicrous yeah ludicrous yeah ludicrous yeah are you still alive right Buddha I know this will sound really demented I know this will sound really demented but man I wish like I always thought DMX but man I wish like I always thought DMX but man I wish like I always thought DMX was the coolest name ever and I was like was the coolest name ever and I was like was the coolest name ever and I was like why didn't my parents name me DMX why didn't my parents name me DMX why didn't my parents name me DMX [Laughter] it means Darkman X it means Darkman X [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] I think that might be the case I think that might be the case I think that might be the case wmx wmx wmx white Mannix I'm not sure you could pull white Mannix I'm not sure you could pull white Mannix I'm not sure you could pull off the fashion either no oh yeah I off the fashion either no oh yeah I off the fashion either no oh yeah I think you can you you know what I've think you can you you know what I've think you can you you know what I've I've lost all Fashions living up in the I've lost all Fashions living up in the I've lost all Fashions living up in the Pacific Northwest all these years I've Pacific Northwest all these years I've Pacific Northwest all these years I've lost all sense of fashion gone yeah as lost all sense of fashion gone yeah as lost all sense of fashion gone yeah as we say up here like a North Face jacket we say up here like a North Face jacket we say up here like a North Face jacket is like the Seattle tuxedo yeah pretty bad pretty bad yeah pretty bad pretty bad wow it's crazy oh my gosh you know the wow it's crazy oh my gosh you know the wow it's crazy oh my gosh you know the thing is is that Assurance piece I think thing is is that Assurance piece I think thing is is that Assurance piece I think is important and and maybe that has to

is important and and maybe that has to is important and and maybe that has to be built into the plan I don't think it be built into the plan I don't think it be built into the plan I don't think it has been built into the bead stuff has been built into the bead stuff has been built into the bead stuff because there was a lot of talk about because there was a lot of talk about because there was a lot of talk about the maps right yeah you're right Rob the maps right yeah you're right Rob the maps right yeah you're right Rob tons of talk about the maps uh talk tons of talk about the maps uh talk tons of talk about the maps uh talk about digital Twins and you know but about digital Twins and you know but about digital Twins and you know but we're so far away from digital twins we're so far away from digital twins we're so far away from digital twins because nothing is really instrument to because nothing is really instrument to because nothing is really instrument to everyone's just kind of guessing right everyone's just kind of guessing right everyone's just kind of guessing right you're taking like secondary data points you're taking like secondary data points you're taking like secondary data points to stitch together what could give you a to stitch together what could give you a to stitch together what could give you a suggestion of the now suggestion of the now suggestion of the now in very specific Wares right locations in very specific Wares right locations in very specific Wares right locations and you know when you when you bring up and you know when you when you bring up and you know when you when you bring up the cases that you brought up earlier the cases that you brought up earlier the cases that you brought up earlier Jeff where you know a certain area can Jeff where you know a certain area can Jeff where you know a certain area can be designated as served yet there's be designated as served yet there's be designated as served yet there's folks in them that area that just can't folks in them that area that just can't folks in them that area that just can't get that access get that access get that access um I think really brings into question is bead really brings into question is bead going to be able to going to be able to going to be able to achieve its aspirational goal of achieve its aspirational goal of achieve its aspirational goal of connecting everyone right because this connecting everyone right because this connecting everyone right because this is about connecting everybody that is is about connecting everybody that is is about connecting everybody that is the goal that is the Mandate and that's the goal that is the Mandate and that's the goal that is the Mandate and that's how the program has been structured how how the program has been structured how how the program has been structured how the funds are being allocated and then the funds are being allocated and then the funds are being allocated and then uh applications uh reviewed and there's uh applications uh reviewed and there's uh applications uh reviewed and there's a whole challenge process I know but a whole challenge process I know but a whole challenge process I know but that that that also looks like a costly that that that also looks like a costly that that that also looks like a costly Endeavor for the recipients of funds Endeavor for the recipients of funds Endeavor for the recipients of funds right and uh communities that are might

right and uh communities that are might right and uh communities that are might contest that they aren't served contest that they aren't served contest that they aren't served right well so oh boy I hopefully right well so oh boy I hopefully right well so oh boy I hopefully nobody's watching this um so 200 million nobody's watching this um so 200 million nobody's watching this um so 200 million they are they are yeah but but hopefully they are they are yeah but but hopefully they are they are yeah but but hopefully nobody in the Telecom industry nobody in the Telecom industry nobody in the Telecom industry um um um so the easiest way to answer this so the easiest way to answer this so the easiest way to answer this without getting into I'll get into some without getting into I'll get into some without getting into I'll get into some detail but these the easiest answer is detail but these the easiest answer is detail but these the easiest answer is if we're students of our own history if we're students of our own history if we're students of our own history yeah yeah yeah yeah we will know we would know that yeah we will know we would know that yeah we will know we would know that none of none of the federally funded none of none of the federally funded none of none of the federally funded federally funded programs supporting federally funded programs supporting federally funded programs supporting telecommunications have ever been telecommunications have ever been telecommunications have ever been successful why there's fraud waste and successful why there's fraud waste and successful why there's fraud waste and abuse two there's lack of oversight abuse two there's lack of oversight abuse two there's lack of oversight um three um three um three um the the way um the the way um the the way um Grant programs are structured the um Grant programs are structured the um Grant programs are structured the lowest common denominator wins which lowest common denominator wins which lowest common denominator wins which means quite frankly that you you means quite frankly that you you means quite frankly that you you um always if you're going to select the um always if you're going to select the um always if you're going to select the cheapest solution cheapest solution cheapest solution it's not always the best solution it's not always the best solution it's not always the best solution because things like uh actual because things like uh actual because things like uh actual construction costs get missed construction costs get missed construction costs get missed yeah and this is the problem out here in yeah and this is the problem out here in yeah and this is the problem out here in college this is a problem out in the college this is a problem out in the college this is a problem out in the west this is a problem out where where west this is a problem out where where west this is a problem out where where in the Northwest as well where Rob is in the Northwest as well where Rob is in the Northwest as well where Rob is when you have granite when you have granite when you have granite the cost of building especially where the cost of building especially where the cost of building especially where you have to bury fiber it's very costly you have to bury fiber it's very costly you have to bury fiber it's very costly right so a really good example the right so a really good example the right so a really good example the Colorado Department of Transportation

Colorado Department of Transportation Colorado Department of Transportation just built over over Wolf Creek Pass just built over over Wolf Creek Pass just built over over Wolf Creek Pass um can you guess how much it was a mile um can you guess how much it was a mile um can you guess how much it was a mile burying fiber in the right of way there burying fiber in the right of way there burying fiber in the right of way there one million dollars exactly a million one million dollars exactly a million one million dollars exactly a million dollars one million dollars Jeff it's dollars one million dollars Jeff it's dollars one million dollars Jeff it's the same here in the Hill Country in the same here in the Hill Country in the same here in the Hill Country in West Texas we have so much Limestone and West Texas we have so much Limestone and West Texas we have so much Limestone and Roth I mean when like if I want to go Roth I mean when like if I want to go Roth I mean when like if I want to go out and Garden in my yard I can't out and Garden in my yard I can't out and Garden in my yard I can't because I can't even dig even three because I can't even dig even three because I can't even dig even three inches into my ground and and plant inches into my ground and and plant inches into my ground and and plant something right you know I can't even do something right you know I can't even do something right you know I can't even do that so that's how bad the rock is out that so that's how bad the rock is out that so that's how bad the rock is out here and you're right I mean there are here and you're right I mean there are here and you're right I mean there are certain considerations that aren't even certain considerations that aren't even certain considerations that aren't even taken taken in when you think about the taken taken in when you think about the taken taken in when you think about the costume so and this this has happened costume so and this this has happened costume so and this this has happened quite a bit right so now the other the quite a bit right so now the other the quite a bit right so now the other the other the other problem I think is there other the other problem I think is there other the other problem I think is there are there are other mitigating are there are other mitigating are there are other mitigating constraints so constraints so constraints so bead are all federal funded uh and uh bead are all federal funded uh and uh bead are all federal funded uh and uh federally funded infrastructure projects federally funded infrastructure projects federally funded infrastructure projects are now subject to build America by are now subject to build America by are now subject to build America by America and so if you're really looking America and so if you're really looking America and so if you're really looking at where the this money is supposed to at where the this money is supposed to at where the this money is supposed to Target it's supposed to Target high cost Target it's supposed to Target high cost Target it's supposed to Target high cost areas as well as the areas I talked areas as well as the areas I talked areas as well as the areas I talked about before where you have a about before where you have a about before where you have a disadvantaged communities disadvantaged communities disadvantaged communities um in Metro areas well let's just talk um in Metro areas well let's just talk um in Metro areas well let's just talk about the rural high cost areas about the rural high cost areas about the rural high cost areas better unserved today better unserved today better unserved today does a portion of money can go to does a portion of money can go to does a portion of money can go to underserved as well but first priority underserved as well but first priority underserved as well but first priority is unserved

is unserved is unserved those areas typically are not always those areas typically are not always those areas typically are not always served by incumbents they're always served by incumbents they're always served by incumbents they're always served by local Regional SPS whether served by local Regional SPS whether served by local Regional SPS whether they're telcos or wisps or whatever and they're telcos or wisps or whatever and they're telcos or wisps or whatever and the the build America buy America thing the the build America buy America thing the the build America buy America thing introduces a few problems one is there introduces a few problems one is there introduces a few problems one is there is a is a is a um um um the financial requirements the financial requirements the financial requirements and constraints and constraints and constraints for a small company operating in rural for a small company operating in rural for a small company operating in rural parts of America are going to be parts of America are going to be parts of America are going to be cumbersome at best yeah cumbersome at best yeah cumbersome at best yeah um the um the um the California California California great place to not do beads why because great place to not do beads why because great place to not do beads why because you have to look at the State you have to look at the State you have to look at the State Environmental laws in California it Environmental laws in California it Environmental laws in California it makes it impossible to do anything makes it impossible to do anything makes it impossible to do anything especially where you have to dig yeah so especially where you have to dig yeah so especially where you have to dig yeah so any place where you've got to dig any place where you've got to dig any place where you've got to dig um there's a lot of environmental um there's a lot of environmental um there's a lot of environmental constraints around it and it adds my constraints around it and it adds my constraints around it and it adds my point in all this is it adds cost yeah point in all this is it adds cost yeah point in all this is it adds cost yeah right and let's not forget the the one right and let's not forget the the one right and let's not forget the the one long-term thing great thing that's going long-term thing great thing that's going long-term thing great thing that's going to come out of this is that we're to come out of this is that we're to come out of this is that we're um Federal government's forcing um Federal government's forcing um Federal government's forcing companies to onshore manufacturing companies to onshore manufacturing companies to onshore manufacturing because right now 55 percent because right now 55 percent because right now 55 percent of anything that you use in an of anything that you use in an of anything that you use in an infrastructure project has to be made in infrastructure project has to be made in infrastructure project has to be made in America America America has to be has to be has to be and so if you can't meet that and it as and so if you can't meet that and it as and so if you can't meet that and it as you as Leonard I'm sure everyone knows you as Leonard I'm sure everyone knows you as Leonard I'm sure everyone knows it's very difficult to do this with it's very difficult to do this with it's very difficult to do this with electronics

electronics electronics right how do you how do you get it to so right how do you how do you get it to so right how do you how do you get it to so Nokia recently made an announcement Nokia recently made an announcement Nokia recently made an announcement where they're on showing 100 percent where they're on showing 100 percent where they're on showing 100 percent of the manufacturing for all of their of the manufacturing for all of their of the manufacturing for all of their Electronics in the US right they're Electronics in the US right they're Electronics in the US right they're doing it in Wisconsin now we all know doing it in Wisconsin now we all know doing it in Wisconsin now we all know that components found in the electronics that components found in the electronics that components found in the electronics can't possibly be made right so this can't possibly be made right so this can't possibly be made right so this brings in the chips Act brings in the chips Act brings in the chips Act right so there is very I'm telling you right so there is very I'm telling you right so there is very I'm telling you all this stuff and jumping around all this stuff and jumping around all this stuff and jumping around because it's very complex it's like you because it's very complex it's like you because it's very complex it's like you know it's building on custom yeah you're know it's building on custom yeah you're know it's building on custom yeah you're connecting some really important dots connecting some really important dots connecting some really important dots but Nokia is I I spoke to with the Nokia but Nokia is I I spoke to with the Nokia but Nokia is I I spoke to with the Nokia folks and I was I was asking if they folks and I was I was asking if they folks and I was I was asking if they were were were um making their also making ran um making their also making ran um making their also making ran equipment locally and they said no this equipment locally and they said no this equipment locally and they said no this is only for their Wireline you know is only for their Wireline you know is only for their Wireline you know fiber routers and cpes and and things fiber routers and cpes and and things fiber routers and cpes and and things like that right so it's not I mean it's like that right so it's not I mean it's like that right so it's not I mean it's a great move but you know the a great move but you know the a great move but you know the interesting thing I interesting thing I interesting thing I um at the conference you didn't hear um at the conference you didn't hear um at the conference you didn't hear anything about 5G didn't fwa didn't fwa there seemed to be a little bit of there seemed to be a little bit of there seemed to be a little bit of reluctance around that but a realization reluctance around that but a realization reluctance around that but a realization that it might be an option especially that it might be an option especially that it might be an option especially for the extremely costly uh areas that for the extremely costly uh areas that for the extremely costly uh areas that you you also mentioned right but you you you also mentioned right but you you you also mentioned right but you know it's funny because the the 5G

know it's funny because the the 5G know it's funny because the the 5G Community or the the Mobile Wireless Community or the the Mobile Wireless Community or the the Mobile Wireless Community thinks there's a huge fwa Community thinks there's a huge fwa Community thinks there's a huge fwa opportunity and it's like it's really opportunity and it's like it's really opportunity and it's like it's really resigned to being a last resort you know resigned to being a last resort you know resigned to being a last resort you know and you kind of mentioned that on our on and you kind of mentioned that on our on and you kind of mentioned that on our on our panel but that was one of the things our panel but that was one of the things our panel but that was one of the things that really kind of uh stood out for me that really kind of uh stood out for me that really kind of uh stood out for me at the conference because I thought at the conference because I thought at the conference because I thought going there everyone's gonna be talking going there everyone's gonna be talking going there everyone's gonna be talking about 5G fwa and everyone's gonna about 5G fwa and everyone's gonna about 5G fwa and everyone's gonna deployment wave and uh you know there's deployment wave and uh you know there's deployment wave and uh you know there's talk about talk about talk about um Tara teragraph right um Tara teragraph right um Tara teragraph right um yeah unlicensed but yeah unlicensed um yeah unlicensed but yeah unlicensed um yeah unlicensed but yeah unlicensed because it's cheap but is that really because it's cheap but is that really because it's cheap but is that really going to be a an option that a lot of going to be a an option that a lot of going to be a an option that a lot of the grant applicants and the service the grant applicants and the service the grant applicants and the service providers are going to fall back on you providers are going to fall back on you providers are going to fall back on you know but so would I like to have more know but so would I like to have more know but so would I like to have more dialogue around 5G fixed work of course dialogue around 5G fixed work of course dialogue around 5G fixed work of course I would and I will next year right I would and I will next year right I would and I will next year right because I I think T-Mobile Smothers because I I think T-Mobile Smothers because I I think T-Mobile Smothers Verizon are going to come in but the Verizon are going to come in but the Verizon are going to come in but the problem with 5G as a reliable we we spent 10 minutes talking about we we spent 10 minutes talking about your poor experience in San Diego and your poor experience in San Diego and your poor experience in San Diego and this is one of the reasons why this is one of the reasons why this is one of the reasons why um I don't have it featured on the um I don't have it featured on the um I don't have it featured on the agenda because we need to get fiber agenda because we need to get fiber agenda because we need to get fiber built first to Bill's point built first to Bill's point built first to Bill's point we need more fiber infrastructure built we need more fiber infrastructure built we need more fiber infrastructure built and I think if you really look at

and I think if you really look at and I think if you really look at um where 5G has to go um where 5G has to go um where 5G has to go how would you build out a large city how would you build out a large city how would you build out a large city would you consider it a horizontal build would you consider it a horizontal build would you consider it a horizontal build or a horizontal and vertical build um um right so right so right so it's got to be horizontal and vertical it's got to be horizontal and vertical it's got to be horizontal and vertical right it's got to be both right but right it's got to be both right but right it's got to be both right but whoever talks about that whoever talks about that whoever talks about that and whoever talks about the complexity and whoever talks about the complexity and whoever talks about the complexity of doing that well because that means of doing that well because that means of doing that well because that means that you got to partner up with people I that you got to partner up with people I that you got to partner up with people I understand that but but you get people understand that but but you get people understand that but but you get people we don't want to partner up man right we don't want to partner up man right we don't want to partner up man right oems want to be that one throat to choke oems want to be that one throat to choke oems want to be that one throat to choke right and and I've got your Solutions right and and I've got your Solutions right and and I've got your Solutions end to end nobody even flipping end to end nobody even flipping end to end nobody even flipping understands end to end understands end to end understands end to end yeah yeah yeah or heterogeneous you know they want to or heterogeneous you know they want to or heterogeneous you know they want to keep it simple they dedicate it to you keep it simple they dedicate it to you keep it simple they dedicate it to you don't want to deal with the complexity don't want to deal with the complexity don't want to deal with the complexity of having to make different types of of having to make different types of of having to make different types of infrastructure and uh technology infrastructure and uh technology infrastructure and uh technology decisions for a heterogeneous decisions for a heterogeneous decisions for a heterogeneous environment and then have you cost environment and then have you cost environment and then have you cost estimated that going in you know uh so estimated that going in you know uh so estimated that going in you know uh so um um um you might recall during our session that you might recall during our session that you might recall during our session that one of the things that that I had talked one of the things that that I had talked one of the things that that I had talked about was was and I think this is up about was was and I think this is up about was was and I think this is up right up Robin Alley so right up Robin Alley so right up Robin Alley so how do you build 5G let's just talk how do you build 5G let's just talk how do you build 5G let's just talk about 5G let's not talk about fiber how about 5G let's not talk about fiber how about 5G let's not talk about fiber how do you build 5G in Rural America where do you build 5G in Rural America where do you build 5G in Rural America where oftentimes home offset is so Divergent oftentimes home offset is so Divergent oftentimes home offset is so Divergent right some homes are 30 feet from the right some homes are 30 feet from the right some homes are 30 feet from the road and some are 350 yards away from

road and some are 350 yards away from road and some are 350 yards away from the road the road the road down a hilly tree-lined road uh driveway down a hilly tree-lined road uh driveway down a hilly tree-lined road uh driveway how do you get infrastructure from the how do you get infrastructure from the how do you get infrastructure from the road road road to the premise to the farm how do you do to the premise to the farm how do you do to the premise to the farm how do you do that oh cost effectively yes oh cost effectively yes and for and for uh bill and for and for uh bill and for and for uh bill yeah those caveats and it's gonna have yeah those caveats and it's gonna have yeah those caveats and it's gonna have to you know to you know to you know lower frequencies too lower frequencies too lower frequencies too uh to get down there you know uh to get down there you know uh to get down there you know yeah just like for where I live I'll yeah just like for where I live I'll yeah just like for where I live I'll Never See fiber we don't have the Never See fiber we don't have the Never See fiber we don't have the population we're not going to come out population we're not going to come out population we're not going to come out this far like you said we're a mile back this far like you said we're a mile back this far like you said we're a mile back our neighbors might be five miles back our neighbors might be five miles back our neighbors might be five miles back it's just not gonna happen right it's just not gonna happen right it's just not gonna happen right yeah you know one of the things I want yeah you know one of the things I want yeah you know one of the things I want to shout out talk I talked about how I to shout out talk I talked about how I to shout out talk I talked about how I learned a lot which is the most learned a lot which is the most learned a lot which is the most important thing about going to a important thing about going to a important thing about going to a conference is I learned a lot at this conference is I learned a lot at this conference is I learned a lot at this conference and I think the one thing conference and I think the one thing conference and I think the one thing that jumped out at me that I'm sure you that jumped out at me that I'm sure you that jumped out at me that I'm sure you know obviously Jeff probably knows about know obviously Jeff probably knows about know obviously Jeff probably knows about it forever it forever it forever I was in a session and I learned about I was in a session and I learned about I was in a session and I learned about one of the most underserved towns in one of the most underserved towns in one of the most underserved towns in America a Border Town in Texas called America a Border Town in Texas called America a Border Town in Texas called far Texas p-h-a-r-r Texas far Texas p-h-a-r-r Texas far Texas p-h-a-r-r Texas and I learned about how that town pulled and I learned about how that town pulled and I learned about how that town pulled itself up by the bootstraps and they itself up by the bootstraps and they itself up by the bootstraps and they couldn't get the help they needed they couldn't get the help they needed they couldn't get the help they needed they worked with all these folks and just worked with all these folks and just worked with all these folks and just like our whole elevator kids getting like our whole elevator kids getting like our whole elevator kids getting kids laptops and connected to the

kids laptops and connected to the kids laptops and connected to the internet they had a whole bunch of kids internet they had a whole bunch of kids internet they had a whole bunch of kids that just weren't connected I think they that just weren't connected I think they that just weren't connected I think they managed to somehow get them laptops or managed to somehow get them laptops or managed to somehow get them laptops or something but they weren't they couldn't something but they weren't they couldn't something but they weren't they couldn't get connected so you got you got to have get connected so you got you got to have get connected so you got you got to have both right and right and that's what we both right and right and that's what we both right and right and that's what we learned as we bumbled and stumbled our learned as we bumbled and stumbled our learned as we bumbled and stumbled our way through covid way through covid way through covid um and this town just took it upon um and this town just took it upon um and this town just took it upon themselves to find a way to make it themselves to find a way to make it themselves to find a way to make it happen they used a lot of different happen they used a lot of different happen they used a lot of different government programs they government programs they government programs they I know I'm missing lots of details that I know I'm missing lots of details that I know I'm missing lots of details that they managed to get fiber it's all these they managed to get fiber it's all these they managed to get fiber it's all these kids kids kids you know to homes to and I was hearing you know to homes to and I was hearing you know to homes to and I was hearing about ridiculous symmetrical speeds that about ridiculous symmetrical speeds that about ridiculous symmetrical speeds that these people are getting for like 20 or these people are getting for like 20 or these people are getting for like 20 or 30 bucks a month or something 30 bucks a month or something 30 bucks a month or something um up and down and I'm like and I and I um up and down and I'm like and I and I um up and down and I'm like and I and I know it's a lot of government programs know it's a lot of government programs know it's a lot of government programs that helped them out to do that it just that helped them out to do that it just that helped them out to do that it just blew my mind it just blew my mind and I blew my mind it just blew my mind and I blew my mind it just blew my mind and I was like wow talk about was like wow talk about was like wow talk about they were Scrappy they were hustling they were Scrappy they were hustling they were Scrappy they were hustling they found a way to make they just said they found a way to make they just said they found a way to make they just said we got to make this happen and man they we got to make this happen and man they we got to make this happen and man they made it happen and it wasn't inside out made it happen and it wasn't inside out made it happen and it wasn't inside out what a great case study you know yeah what a great case study you know yeah what a great case study you know yeah well this is uh there's always these well this is uh there's always these well this is uh there's always these anomaly stories and I think that's a anomaly stories and I think that's a anomaly stories and I think that's a great one right and I'll give you great one right and I'll give you great one right and I'll give you another one the Boulder County School another one the Boulder County School another one the Boulder County School District got in trouble with well the District got in trouble with well the District got in trouble with well the FCC tried to make trouble for them FCC tried to make trouble for them FCC tried to make trouble for them because they they were serving students because they they were serving students because they they were serving students in their home in their home in their home and so they're actually providing and so they're actually providing and so they're actually providing services to students that were being services to students that were being services to students that were being underserved and unserved

underserved and unserved underserved and unserved and these students were living all over and these students were living all over and these students were living all over the county and the SEC came in and said the county and the SEC came in and said the county and the SEC came in and said hey you can't do that hey you can't do that hey you can't do that and they said yes we can we're we're and they said yes we can we're we're and they said yes we can we're we're providing us an essential service to providing us an essential service to providing us an essential service to these students just so that they can do these students just so that they can do these students just so that they can do their homework and do the stuff they their homework and do the stuff they their homework and do the stuff they need to do need to do need to do um yeah there's there's a lot of great um yeah there's there's a lot of great um yeah there's there's a lot of great stories out there but the problem is is stories out there but the problem is is stories out there but the problem is is how do you how do you take a far Texas how do you how do you take a far Texas how do you how do you take a far Texas or Boulder County or or Boulder County or or Boulder County or one of Illinois or East Palo Alto one of Illinois or East Palo Alto one of Illinois or East Palo Alto or Bill and I one of bills and I or Bill and I one of bills and I or Bill and I one of bills and I favorite favorite favorite uh talking points is Chattanooga uh talking points is Chattanooga uh talking points is Chattanooga Tennessee how do you not make how do we Tennessee how do you not make how do we Tennessee how do you not make how do we take those exams great examples and take those exams great examples and take those exams great examples and figure out a way to replicate them as figure out a way to replicate them as figure out a way to replicate them as often as we can so they don't become a often as we can so they don't become a often as we can so they don't become a one-off great story that no one else can one-off great story that no one else can one-off great story that no one else can send to well it takes organizations and send to well it takes organizations and send to well it takes organizations and events like yourselves to take the best events like yourselves to take the best events like yourselves to take the best practices practices practices of all of these particular examples of all of these particular examples of all of these particular examples and share and put the information out and share and put the information out and share and put the information out there and take the learnings and share there and take the learnings and share there and take the learnings and share that and communicate that and and that and communicate that and and that and communicate that and and connect those people with the people connect those people with the people connect those people with the people that did that because you're only going that did that because you're only going that did that because you're only going to learn from those people that have to learn from those people that have to learn from those people that have already done it already done it already done it but I mean part of it is I mean a lot of but I mean part of it is I mean a lot of but I mean part of it is I mean a lot of people don't want to hear it and they people don't want to hear it and they people don't want to hear it and they don't want to talk about it but you know don't want to talk about it but you know don't want to talk about it but you know this whole and I think I mentioned it this whole and I think I mentioned it this whole and I think I mentioned it the public-private Partnerships and all the public-private Partnerships and all the public-private Partnerships and all I mean we love saying those things and I mean we love saying those things and I mean we love saying those things and it's going to take collaboration

it's going to take collaboration it's going to take collaboration show me the cities that really want to show me the cities that really want to show me the cities that really want to do that show me the utilities that do that show me the utilities that do that show me the utilities that really want to do that and I'll show you really want to do that and I'll show you really want to do that and I'll show you that they can replicate exactly what has that they can replicate exactly what has that they can replicate exactly what has happened in in these anomaly type cities happened in in these anomaly type cities happened in in these anomaly type cities yeah yeah you're right that's the yeah yeah you're right that's the yeah yeah you're right that's the problem isn't it yes the wind blew in problem isn't it yes the wind blew in problem isn't it yes the wind blew in the right direction Chattanooga for the right direction Chattanooga for the right direction Chattanooga for example it was like two things they example it was like two things they example it was like two things they don't want to share their data and they don't want to share their data and they don't want to share their data and they don't want to really partner like they don't want to really partner like they don't want to really partner like they say that they're going to Dirty Laundry it is or it takes or it takes a a you it is or it takes or it takes a a you know someone outside of that system know someone outside of that system know someone outside of that system I mean for as many cities as I work with I mean for as many cities as I work with I mean for as many cities as I work with did I take time to understand how did I take time to understand how did I take time to understand how what rules there were in the city no what rules there were in the city no what rules there were in the city no because if I if I take the time to because if I if I take the time to because if I if I take the time to really understand the rules and you're really understand the rules and you're really understand the rules and you're gonna abide by the rules and you're gonna abide by the rules and you're gonna abide by the rules and you're going to do then I become part of that going to do then I become part of that going to do then I become part of that same problem and I can't get out of it same problem and I can't get out of it same problem and I can't get out of it right you'll be stuck too yes but if I right you'll be stuck too yes but if I right you'll be stuck too yes but if I just come in and go look this is how just come in and go look this is how just come in and go look this is how we're going to do this is what we're we're going to do this is what we're we're going to do this is what we're going to do we're gonna I mean yeah going to do we're gonna I mean yeah going to do we're gonna I mean yeah we're probably gonna you know do some we're probably gonna you know do some we're probably gonna you know do some things that people will go you can't things that people will go you can't things that people will go you can't really do that well we already did sorry really do that well we already did sorry really do that well we already did sorry yeah yeah bill says I'm in the business yeah yeah bill says I'm in the business yeah yeah bill says I'm in the business of circumventing of circumventing of circumventing all day every day yeah he's a he's a all day every day yeah he's a he's a all day every day yeah he's a he's a he's a bill in the China closet man he he's a bill in the China closet man he he's a bill in the China closet man he is habitual line stepper so guys yeah we habitual line stepper so guys yeah we have to wrap it up here because we have to wrap it up here because we have to wrap it up here because we actually Stephanie and Stephanie and I

actually Stephanie and Stephanie and I actually Stephanie and Stephanie and I have a call to uh with a potential have a call to uh with a potential have a call to uh with a potential um sponsor um sponsor um sponsor sponsor for the show which we really sponsor for the show which we really sponsor for the show which we really appreciate and we appreciate their appreciate and we appreciate their appreciate and we appreciate their intent and supporting uh Elevate our intent and supporting uh Elevate our intent and supporting uh Elevate our kids so for all of you guys out there kids so for all of you guys out there kids so for all of you guys out there who are wondering why what the hell do who are wondering why what the hell do who are wondering why what the hell do these guys do jumping on every week these guys do jumping on every week these guys do jumping on every week um with such dedication and vigor is um with such dedication and vigor is um with such dedication and vigor is because we're doing it for for uh truly because we're doing it for for uh truly because we're doing it for for uh truly uh Bridging the digital divide right I uh Bridging the digital divide right I uh Bridging the digital divide right I mean we're actually doing something mean we're actually doing something mean we're actually doing something about it and so again charity about it and so again charity about it and so again charity or fashion or fashion or fashion right right right um just go ahead or both yeah or both um just go ahead or both yeah or both um just go ahead or both yeah or both just buy a crap ton of shirts and donate just buy a crap ton of shirts and donate just buy a crap ton of shirts and donate 90 million dollars that's the digital 90 million dollars that's the digital 90 million dollars that's the digital divide right there divide right there divide right there that doesn't even you're underserved that doesn't even you're underserved that doesn't even you're underserved dude dude dude you're freaking underserved I have I you're freaking underserved I have I you're freaking underserved I have I need to get served my house need to get served my house need to get served my house I have to challenge because I for some I have to challenge because I for some I have to challenge because I for some reason we're I'm in a in a 5G coverage reason we're I'm in a in a 5G coverage reason we're I'm in a in a 5G coverage area but hey Leonard's under under area but hey Leonard's under under area but hey Leonard's under under certain under resourced robs this certain under resourced robs this certain under resourced robs this Underside yeah look I'm still using a Underside yeah look I'm still using a Underside yeah look I'm still using a Mac from the I've got I've got GPRS Mac from the I've got I've got GPRS Mac from the I've got I've got GPRS coverage here but um yeah I want to give props really but um yeah I want to give props really quickly quickly quickly um to to Jeff oh my God I had his name um to to Jeff oh my God I had his name um to to Jeff oh my God I had his name Lewis who jumped on our uh on our live

Lewis who jumped on our uh on our live Lewis who jumped on our uh on our live uh iot coffee talk at Mountain connect uh iot coffee talk at Mountain connect uh iot coffee talk at Mountain connect because he had absolutely no idea what because he had absolutely no idea what because he had absolutely no idea what to expect kind of like Jeff you had no to expect kind of like Jeff you had no to expect kind of like Jeff you had no idea really what to expect yeah we idea really what to expect yeah we idea really what to expect yeah we didn't prep you there's we have no idea didn't prep you there's we have no idea didn't prep you there's we have no idea what we're gonna talk about but but I what we're gonna talk about but but I what we're gonna talk about but but I will say I am disappointed in you will say I am disappointed in you will say I am disappointed in you Leonard why Leonard why Leonard why because we've been on this call for an because we've been on this call for an because we've been on this call for an hour and you haven't said anything about hour and you haven't said anything about hour and you haven't said anything about the robot that was really great thanks for that was really great thanks for inviting me up and you know what I was inviting me up and you know what I was inviting me up and you know what I was really surprised that it worked other really surprised that it worked other really surprised that it worked other than uh the moment where you were than uh the moment where you were than uh the moment where you were laughing after your prompt and then it laughing after your prompt and then it laughing after your prompt and then it stopped listening that was the only stopped listening that was the only stopped listening that was the only snafu otherwise otherwise it went really snafu otherwise otherwise it went really snafu otherwise otherwise it went really well in fact it did a little predictive well in fact it did a little predictive well in fact it did a little predictive stuff where it was it now is that on the stuff where it was it now is that on the stuff where it was it now is that on the video that we can watch or is that not video that we can watch or is that not video that we can watch or is that not on the video no no on the video no no on the video no no it will be here in um another week or so it will be here in um another week or so it will be here in um another week or so I'm waiting for it so you'll have some I'm waiting for it so you'll have some I'm waiting for it so you'll have some yeah on my website at Mountain yeah on my website at Mountain yeah on my website at Mountain connect.org you'll be able to see it and connect.org you'll be able to see it and connect.org you'll be able to see it and on our YouTube channel yeah there you on our YouTube channel yeah there you on our YouTube channel yeah there you can see that yeah and and everyone can see that yeah and and everyone can see that yeah and and everyone should go it's a great conference not should go it's a great conference not should go it's a great conference not too many not too many because Jeff too many not too many because Jeff too many not too many because Jeff doesn't want to become the next CES doesn't want to become the next CES doesn't want to become the next CES keeping networking worthy yeah keeping networking worthy yeah keeping networking worthy yeah um but uh that was a great great um but uh that was a great great um but uh that was a great great conference uh what was I gonna say conference uh what was I gonna say conference uh what was I gonna say um yeah walk on Elevate our kids cheer um yeah walk on Elevate our kids cheer um yeah walk on Elevate our kids cheer next year here remember next year here remember next year here remember um party up that that's got to be our um party up that that's got to be our um party up that that's got to be our walk-on music because it made a huge

walk-on music because it made a huge walk-on music because it made a huge difference you know when I over dubbed difference you know when I over dubbed difference you know when I over dubbed it it it on the last episode you know on that on the last episode you know on that on the last episode you know on that episode and uh episode and uh episode and uh um so with that thanks for uh hanging um so with that thanks for uh hanging um so with that thanks for uh hanging out with us this far and we will see you out with us this far and we will see you out with us this far and we will see you next week remember subscribe to next week remember subscribe to next week remember subscribe to www.iotcoffee.com www.iotcoffee.com www.iotcoffee.com uh donate help bridge the digital divide uh donate help bridge the digital divide uh donate help bridge the digital divide for kids K through 12 and underserved for kids K through 12 and underserved for kids K through 12 and underserved and unserved communities and we will see and unserved communities and we will see and unserved communities and we will see you next week and don't forget mofo objectives for opportunities objectives for opportunities it's mofo or nofo mofo it's mofo or nofo mofo it's mofo or nofo mofo I'm out I'm out I'm out thanks guys foreign foreign [Music]