IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 222 - Selling Out

a a [Music] [Music] [Music] yes tense the yes tense the yes tense the greatest the other greatest band ever greatest the other greatest band ever greatest the other greatest band ever the other greatest band so good to hear the other greatest band so good to hear the other greatest band so good to hear some Rush yeah there much love for Rush some Rush yeah there much love for Rush some Rush yeah there much love for Rush one of my favorite bands ever oh yeah one of my favorite bands ever oh yeah one of my favorite bands ever oh yeah Tom Sawyer man when that came out I was Tom Sawyer man when that came out I was Tom Sawyer man when that came out I was like that was back in the day when you like that was back in the day when you like that was back in the day when you had to buy your music and it came in a had to buy your music and it came in a had to buy your music and it came in a physical format and that was the only physical format and that was the only physical format and that was the only thing that you can listen to you paid thing that you can listen to you paid thing that you can listen to you paid what was it seven bucks for 12 what was it seven bucks for 12 what was it seven bucks for 12 songs or maybe eight songs talking about songs or maybe eight songs talking about songs or maybe eight songs talking about V right V right V right seven bucks it wasn't 14 bucks I

seven bucks it wasn't 14 bucks I seven bucks it wasn't 14 bucks I remember $7 vinyl I remember that yeah remember $7 vinyl I remember that yeah remember $7 vinyl I remember that yeah all right yeah you're right uh CDs were all right yeah you're right uh CDs were all right yeah you're right uh CDs were like uh you know 14 16 bucks back then like uh you know 14 16 bucks back then like uh you know 14 16 bucks back then think about it first we bought vinyl think about it first we bought vinyl think about it first we bought vinyl records then we exchanged them for records then we exchanged them for records then we exchanged them for cassette tapes then we exchanged them cassette tapes then we exchanged them cassette tapes then we exchanged them for CDs then we exchang them for CDs then we exchang them for CDs then we exchang them for3 we for3 we for3 we you know here's the interesting thing you know here's the interesting thing you know here's the interesting thing because in those times I was always because in those times I was always because in those times I was always complaining that I have this record in complaining that I have this record in complaining that I have this record in vinl then I have the same in cassettes vinl then I have the same in cassettes vinl then I have the same in cassettes and I have the same in CD so I keep on and I have the same in CD so I keep on and I have the same in CD so I keep on paying over and over again and I was and paying over and over again and I was and paying over and over again and I was and now I have to pay every freaking month now I have to pay every freaking month now I have to pay every freaking month to listen to it so it got worse it got to listen to it so it got worse it got to listen to it so it got worse it got worse what happened to the word worse what happened to the word worse what happened to the word ownership uh yeah what what is that they ownership uh yeah what what is that they ownership uh yeah what what is that they kind of gave it a middle finger for a kind of gave it a middle finger for a kind of gave it a middle finger for a while right we mentioned last week um while right we mentioned last week um while right we mentioned last week um ultraviolet right that was an attempt ultraviolet right that was an attempt ultraviolet right that was an attempt to Portable you buy once and you know to Portable you buy once and you know to Portable you buy once and you know you could you had that IP you bought you could you had that IP you bought you could you had that IP you bought that IP cross medium you that IP cross medium you that IP cross medium you know you're right everybody's trying to know you're right everybody's trying to know you're right everybody's trying to make everything as a service and make it make everything as a service and make it make everything as a service and make it a subscription I think you're right we a subscription I think you're right we a subscription I think you're right we talked about that before we talked about talked about that before we talked about talked about that before we talked about log to do a mouse as a service or BMW log to do a mouse as a service or BMW log to do a mouse as a service or BMW heated seats as a service yeah yeah I

heated seats as a service yeah yeah I heated seats as a service yeah yeah I say I say no yeah you know it's time for say I say no yeah you know it's time for say I say no yeah you know it's time for revolution yeah and then think about it revolution yeah and then think about it revolution yeah and then think about it we paid we paid all that money they had we paid we paid all that money they had we paid we paid all that money they had nothing but filler tracks there was like nothing but filler tracks there was like nothing but filler tracks there was like one or two songs that were good and one or two songs that were good and one or two songs that were good and those are the only ones that you listen those are the only ones that you listen those are the only ones that you listen to but you know here's the thing uh to but you know here's the thing uh to but you know here's the thing uh moving moving moving pictures um was an amazing album right I pictures um was an amazing album right I pictures um was an amazing album right I mean it's like nothing but good songs nothing but good nothing but good songs nothing but good songs you know and uh that's what made songs you know and uh that's what made songs you know and uh that's what made bands great you didn't get just one good bands great you didn't get just one good bands great you didn't get just one good song and a bunch of fillers you got a song and a bunch of fillers you got a song and a bunch of fillers you got a ton of great songs yeah itive of great ton of great songs yeah itive of great ton of great songs yeah itive of great songwriting and I would actually agree songwriting and I would actually agree songwriting and I would actually agree argue that there was a number of bands argue that there was a number of bands argue that there was a number of bands for which it was the the the the album for which it was the the the the album for which it was the the the the album was the concept so you had eight song was the concept so you had eight song was the concept so you had eight song with some logic behind which you don't with some logic behind which you don't with some logic behind which you don't have that anymore because now everything have that anymore because now everything have that anymore because now everything is Stream So you you stream a new album is Stream So you you stream a new album is Stream So you you stream a new album but it's more a collection of song that but it's more a collection of song that but it's more a collection of song that a story the album Pig FR obviously is a story the album Pig FR obviously is a story the album Pig FR obviously is famous for that yeah the wall the famous for that yeah the wall the famous for that yeah the wall the ultimate right concept albums Final Cut ultimate right concept albums Final Cut ultimate right concept albums Final Cut you know even yeah and even Dark Side of you know even yeah and even Dark Side of you know even yeah and even Dark Side of the Moon there there's a whole logic the Moon there there's a whole logic the Moon there there's a whole logic from the beginning to the end of the from the beginning to the end of the from the beginning to the end of the album so miss maybe a new day after album so miss maybe a new day after album so miss maybe a new day after day turn spray like the skin on a dying day turn spray like the skin on a dying day turn spray like the skin on a dying man oh sorry I man oh sorry I man oh sorry I just God just God just God what was in your breakfast what was in your breakfast what was in your breakfast robt I don't know you guys said Pink robt I don't know you guys said Pink robt I don't know you guys said Pink Floyd and I became Roger Waters for a

Floyd and I became Roger Waters for a Floyd and I became Roger Waters for a moment there so anyway you know you guys moment there so anyway you know you guys moment there so anyway you know you guys are supposed to know these lines from are supposed to know these lines from are supposed to know these lines from these songs and immediately know what these songs and immediately know what these songs and immediately know what I'm talking about you know you said Dark I'm talking about you know you said Dark I'm talking about you know you said Dark Side of the Moon anyway yeah sometimes Side of the Moon anyway yeah sometimes Side of the Moon anyway yeah sometimes you got a rock opera like the who would you got a rock opera like the who would you got a rock opera like the who would put out rock operas right like put out rock operas right like put out rock operas right like Quadrophenia you know which was a movie Quadrophenia you know which was a movie Quadrophenia you know which was a movie also yeah and sometimes it's just a also yeah and sometimes it's just a also yeah and sometimes it's just a collection of songs the Tom Sawyer on collection of songs the Tom Sawyer on collection of songs the Tom Sawyer on moving pictures that was like a breakout moving pictures that was like a breakout moving pictures that was like a breakout hit for Rush a lot of people a lot of hit for Rush a lot of people a lot of hit for Rush a lot of people a lot of Rush die hards would say oh moving Rush die hards would say oh moving Rush die hards would say oh moving pictures is when they went total pictures is when they went total pictures is when they went total commercial and started making short commercial and started making short commercial and started making short songs that could be played on the songs that could be played on the songs that could be played on the radio right there were still pretty long radio right there were still pretty long radio right there were still pretty long you know yeah but if you were listening you know yeah but if you were listening you know yeah but if you were listening to Rush their other albums previous to to Rush their other albums previous to to Rush their other albums previous to that in the 70s you know 17 minute you that in the 70s you know 17 minute you that in the 70s you know 17 minute you know Jam songs that would never be on know Jam songs that would never be on know Jam songs that would never be on the radio remember there used to be this the radio remember there used to be this the radio remember there used to be this time in FM album oriented rock stations time in FM album oriented rock stations time in FM album oriented rock stations um and no one listening to this knows um and no one listening to this knows um and no one listening to this knows what I'm talking about because they were what I'm talking about because they were what I'm talking about because they were just born in the year 2000 so I'm so sorry go read some history sorry go read some history books yes but you know Frog Rock it it books yes but you know Frog Rock it it books yes but you know Frog Rock it it it actually provides a lot of context it actually provides a lot of context it actually provides a lot of context for where media has gone for the past for where media has gone for the past for where media has gone for the past couple of decades since digit couple of decades since digit couple of decades since digit digitalization and digitization you know digitalization and digitization you know digitalization and digitization you know uh so I don't know these are important

uh so I don't know these are important uh so I don't know these are important points the things that like we talked points the things that like we talked points the things that like we talked about yesterday about history and all about yesterday about history and all about yesterday about history and all this cancel stuff you know not knowing this cancel stuff you know not knowing this cancel stuff you know not knowing some of the history and what you guys some of the history and what you guys some of the history and what you guys are doing with that that what the WTF are doing with that that what the WTF are doing with that that what the WTF show if you don't know the history then show if you don't know the history then show if you don't know the history then you missed out you miss out on some you missed out you miss out on some you missed out you miss out on some important context in how Technologies important context in how Technologies important context in how Technologies evolve and impact industry right so but evolve and impact industry right so but evolve and impact industry right so but um yeah man I'm getting too serious too um yeah man I'm getting too serious too um yeah man I'm getting too serious too so hey let's talk about um what so hey let's talk about um what so hey let's talk about um what everybody Welcome to everybody Welcome to everybody Welcome to aiot copy aiot copy aiot copy talk talk talk aot you don't like that no no no but aot you don't like that no no no but aot you don't like that no no no but this is a this is a this is a transitionary thing that we're doing transitionary thing that we're doing transitionary thing that we're doing here because we're going to go with here because we're going to go with here because we're going to go with misguided AI I thought that yeah we misguided AI I thought that yeah we misguided AI I thought that yeah we apparently and you know what it's crazy apparently and you know what it's crazy apparently and you know what it's crazy we did a poll we did a poll on our we did a poll we did a poll on our we did a poll we did a poll on our LinkedIn uh company or whatever iot LinkedIn uh company or whatever iot LinkedIn uh company or whatever iot Coffee Talk page and yes misguided was Coffee Talk page and yes misguided was Coffee Talk page and yes misguided was the top pick uh nobody lik the Tomato the top pick uh nobody lik the Tomato the top pick uh nobody lik the Tomato Gallery um you know uh tossing tomatoes Gallery um you know uh tossing tomatoes Gallery um you know uh tossing tomatoes with Rob was a with Rob was a with Rob was a distant um Second and then second place distant um Second and then second place distant um Second and then second place was um what is it was um what is it was um what is it um perspective Collective perspective came in second Collective perspective came in second misguided was number misguided was number misguided was number one so just like dig digital

one so just like dig digital one so just like dig digital transformation Rob I gotta sell this on transformation Rob I gotta sell this on transformation Rob I gotta sell this on you okay yes show yeah digital digital you okay yes show yeah digital digital you okay yes show yeah digital digital transformation talk takes a long time transformation talk takes a long time transformation talk takes a long time right I mean it's an right I mean it's an right I mean it's an evolution you'll be working on it until evolution you'll be working on it until evolution you'll be working on it until you retire yeah lucky yeah so yeah I you retire yeah lucky yeah so yeah I you retire yeah lucky yeah so yeah I mean you know it's easy enough to put an mean you know it's easy enough to put an mean you know it's easy enough to put an a slam an A in front of iot and make it aiot yeah we saw lots of folks doing aiot yeah we saw lots of folks doing that the last few years trying to give that the last few years trying to give that the last few years trying to give Breathe new life into iot putting the Breathe new life into iot putting the Breathe new life into iot putting the clever use of the letter a in front of clever use of the letter a in front of clever use of the letter a in front of it yeah I'm going to give props to the it yeah I'm going to give props to the it yeah I'm going to give props to the Bosch people and Eclipse Foundation I Bosch people and Eclipse Foundation I Bosch people and Eclipse Foundation I think they were the first ones I heard think they were the first ones I heard think they were the first ones I heard about talking about aiot a few years ago about talking about aiot a few years ago about talking about aiot a few years ago really wow yeah yeah I know amazing really wow yeah yeah I know amazing really wow yeah yeah I know amazing it's a nice try and a miss yeah yeah but it's a nice try and a miss yeah yeah but it's a nice try and a miss yeah yeah but Rob Rob this is future proof okay you Rob Rob this is future proof okay you Rob Rob this is future proof okay you see because once we make once the see because once we make once the see because once we make once the quantum hype cycle starts okay the quantum hype cycle starts okay the quantum hype cycle starts okay the quantum nonsense starts we can just quantum nonsense starts we can just quantum nonsense starts we can just stick a freaking Q in the front we can stick a freaking Q in the front we can stick a freaking Q in the front we can switch the A out for the Q and then I switch the A out for the Q and then I switch the A out for the Q and then I have a road map that I will present to have a road map that I will present to have a road map that I will present to you Offline that articulates how we'll you Offline that articulates how we'll you Offline that articulates how we'll go from AI OT coffee talk to Qi Quantum go from AI OT coffee talk to Qi Quantum go from AI OT coffee talk to Qi Quantum intelligence and see this will be a intelligence and see this will be a intelligence and see this will be a pioneering concept Quantum intelligence

pioneering concept Quantum intelligence pioneering concept Quantum intelligence of of of things to ultimately things to ultimately things to ultimately misguided is this like you ultim misguided is this like you ultim misguided is this like you ultim misguided should be the name of it this misguided should be the name of it this misguided should be the name of it this is how I used to sell projects when I is how I used to sell projects when I is how I used to sell projects when I was a consultant dude yeah yeah and was a consultant dude yeah yeah and was a consultant dude yeah yeah and you're probably still doing it today you're probably still doing it today you're probably still doing it today with the reports you're writing yeah no with the reports you're writing yeah no with the reports you're writing yeah no I have full-blown antic architecture for I have full-blown antic architecture for I have full-blown antic architecture for all this stuff as you go from one phase all this stuff as you go from one phase all this stuff as you go from one phase next dude seriously 7 $7500 for this next dude seriously 7 $7500 for this next dude seriously 7 $7500 for this paper on Quantum intelligence that's paper on Quantum intelligence that's paper on Quantum intelligence that's misguided yeah only G to get it here folks yes yes yeah only G to get it here folks yes yes and so welcome everyone remember um take and so welcome everyone remember um take and so welcome everyone remember um take us seriously at your own risk we have us seriously at your own risk we have us seriously at your own risk we have officially at this point actually at the officially at this point actually at the officially at this point actually at the beginning of the show you probably beginning of the show you probably beginning of the show you probably noticed we we offloaded all the RIS to noticed we we offloaded all the RIS to noticed we we offloaded all the RIS to you so you take us seriously at your own you so you take us seriously at your own you so you take us seriously at your own risk and as Dave Vasquez if he was here risk and as Dave Vasquez if he was here risk and as Dave Vasquez if he was here he would say it doesn't mean that we're he would say it doesn't mean that we're he would say it doesn't mean that we're wrong but yeah take it we're having fun wrong but yeah take it we're having fun wrong but yeah take it we're having fun we're having fun and uh make sure that we're having fun and uh make sure that we're having fun and uh make sure that you support Elevate our kids at www.

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the 90s could be that could be theme the 90s could be that could be theme song but we might have to pay royalties song but we might have to pay royalties song but we might have to pay royalties thing oh if you recreate it though on a thing oh if you recreate it though on a thing oh if you recreate it though on a midi midi midi thing you know like from computer games thing you know like from computer games thing you know like from computer games in the 80s then you might be okay yeah I in the 80s then you might be okay yeah I in the 80s then you might be okay yeah I don't know maybe make musack out of it don't know maybe make musack out of it don't know maybe make musack out of it yeah so where are you headed dude where yeah so where are you headed dude where yeah so where are you headed dude where you I'm headed to Montay California oh you I'm headed to Montay California oh you I'm headed to Montay California oh are are are you are you going to you are you going to you are you going to C I am going to the Naval Postgraduate C I am going to the Naval Postgraduate C I am going to the Naval Postgraduate School to go do some lecturing to senior School to go do some lecturing to senior School to go do some lecturing to senior officers oh so it's this thing okay it's officers oh so it's this thing okay it's officers oh so it's this thing okay it's this thing do you know do you know it's this thing do you know do you know it's this thing do you know do you know it's going to be a mess around right because going to be a mess around right because going to be a mess around right because there is car week at the same time it's there is car week at the same time it's there is car week at the same time it's what what what what what what week car week oh really Concord week car week oh really Concord week car week oh really Concord Elegance yeah the same time so it's Elegance yeah the same time so it's Elegance yeah the same time so it's going to be very very busy I'm doing a going to be very very busy I'm doing a going to be very very busy I'm doing a drive with some friends tomorrow I I drive with some friends tomorrow I I drive with some friends tomorrow I I don't go there but we're going to the don't go there but we're going to the don't go there but we're going to the carel valley and up and yeah it's carel valley and up and yeah it's carel valley and up and yeah it's usually busy busy busy crazy busy no I usually busy busy busy crazy busy no I usually busy busy busy crazy busy no I just love that I have I can find those just love that I have I can find those just love that I have I can find those not very many direct flights from not very many direct flights from not very many direct flights from Seattle like there's an Alaska flight Seattle like there's an Alaska flight Seattle like there's an Alaska flight you know like a turbo prop kind of thing you know like a turbo prop kind of thing you know like a turbo prop kind of thing or whatever yeah it's the little tiny or whatever yeah it's the little tiny or whatever yeah it's the little tiny Monterey Airport what do they have like Monterey Airport what do they have like Monterey Airport what do they have like two Gates or something I don't know two Gates or something I don't know two Gates or something I don't know you're not going to have to drive so you're not going to have to drive so you're not going to have to drive so that's good that that's really good that that's good that that's really good that that's good that that's really good that yeah absolutely because the airport's yeah absolutely because the airport's yeah absolutely because the airport's just right across from the the whole

just right across from the the whole just right across from the the whole base you know the base is the old Del base you know the base is the old Del base you know the base is the old Del Monte thing the hotel it used to be a Monte thing the hotel it used to be a Monte thing the hotel it used to be a resort and then the government bought it resort and then the government bought it resort and then the government bought it years ago years ago years ago and now it's a school it's a and now it's a school it's a and now it's a school it's a Postgraduate School you know it's a a Postgraduate School you know it's a a Postgraduate School you know it's a a Kinder jitler War college now we call it Kinder jitler War college now we call it Kinder jitler War college now we call it a Naval Postgraduate School you know remember like when we School you know remember like when we changed the name from Department of War changed the name from Department of War changed the name from Department of War to Department of Defense you know it's to Department of Defense you know it's to Department of Defense you know it's that kind of thing and there's no that kind of thing and there's no that kind of thing and there's no terrorism there's only terrorism there's only terrorism there's only counterterrorism so that's right that's counterterrorism so that's right that's counterterrorism so that's right that's right AB cont in all those things right AB cont in all those things right AB cont in all those things absolutely absolutely there there they absolutely absolutely there there they absolutely absolutely there there they are they were on a Sim we're taking on a are they were on a Sim we're taking on a are they were on a Sim we're taking on a similar path as um the Department of similar path as um the Department of similar path as um the Department of Defense right you know we're we're our Defense right you know we're we're our Defense right you know we're we're our our our name with the time we're our our name with the time we're our our name with the time we're evolving evolving and it's and also by evolving evolving and it's and also by evolving evolving and it's and also by changing our name to be more abstract changing our name to be more abstract changing our name to be more abstract that it gives us a license to talk about that it gives us a license to talk about that it gives us a license to talk about anything which we were already doing anything which we were already doing anything which we were already doing yeah and in fact I want to see some like yeah and in fact I want to see some like yeah and in fact I want to see some like Bart charts or a pie chart of percentage Bart charts or a pie chart of percentage Bart charts or a pie chart of percentage time talked about iot versus talking time talked about iot versus talking time talked about iot versus talking about like rock music history or about like rock music history or about like rock music history or whatever you know we need a little AI we whatever you know we need a little AI we whatever you know we need a little AI we need a little chat GPT analysis of our need a little chat GPT analysis of our need a little chat GPT analysis of our transcriptions I think yeah absolutely transcriptions I think yeah absolutely transcriptions I think yeah absolutely absolutely talking about iot uh I was I absolutely talking about iot uh I was I absolutely talking about iot uh I was I was a defon last week so it's it's my oh

was a defon last week so it's it's my oh was a defon last week so it's it's my oh yeah usually my usual what happened yeah usually my usual what happened yeah usually my usual what happened there uh most of it I can't tell you but there uh most of it I can't tell you but there uh most of it I can't tell you but I can tell you a few things there was on I can tell you a few things there was on I can tell you a few things there was on actually on iot there's a you might have actually on iot there's a you might have actually on iot there's a you might have heard about that but there's a it's not heard about that but there's a it's not heard about that but there's a it's not the first time they're doing that but the first time they're doing that but the first time they're doing that but the first time they're doing it which is the first time they're doing it which is the first time they're doing it which is iot related is Dar is running a iot related is Dar is running a iot related is Dar is running a competition toh to build cyber reasoning competition toh to build cyber reasoning competition toh to build cyber reasoning system to protect the infrastructure so system to protect the infrastructure so system to protect the infrastructure so it's a competition where the different it's a competition where the different it's a competition where the different teams basically have to to to do some teams basically have to to to do some teams basically have to to to do some kind of very sophisticated promp kind of very sophisticated promp kind of very sophisticated promp engineering to analyze open source code engineering to analyze open source code engineering to analyze open source code that is running structure this is so that is running structure this is so that is running structure this is so funny you know the the thing that takes funny you know the the thing that takes funny you know the the thing that takes out humanity is probably going to be out humanity is probably going to be out humanity is probably going to be this thing I was just this thing I was just this thing I was just thinking designed to protect us yeah thinking designed to protect us yeah thinking designed to protect us yeah it's designed to protect us but it's it's designed to protect us but it's it's designed to protect us but it's actually gonna be and it's even even actually gonna be and it's even even actually gonna be and it's even even it's even better than that it protects it's even better than that it protects it's even better than that it protects us against us because you all those I us against us because you all those I us against us because you all those I initial focusing is on watering systems initial focusing is on watering systems initial focusing is on watering systems so they're really looking at you know so they're really looking at you know so they're really looking at you know softwares that operate the war system softwares that operate the war system softwares that operate the war system and how to detect and how to detect and how to detect and kind of stuff and they had the giant and kind of stuff and they had the giant and kind of stuff and they had the giant setup inside with a great immersive I setup inside with a great immersive I setup inside with a great immersive I mean this is one of the first time when mean this is one of the first time when mean this is one of the first time when you're proud of your tax dollars being you're proud of your tax dollars being you're proud of your tax dollars being spent to something fun but it was a spent to something fun but it was a spent to something fun but it was a really really great Expo within within really really great Expo within within really really great Expo within within the the convention at at least that's the the convention at at least that's the the convention at at least that's interesting wow yeah thanks for sharing interesting wow yeah thanks for sharing interesting wow yeah thanks for sharing that it's um it's a lot of what's the that it's um it's a lot of what's the that it's um it's a lot of what's the deal there's black hat and then there's deal there's black hat and then there's deal there's black hat and then there's deathcon that yeah every year that's the

deathcon that yeah every year that's the deathcon that yeah every year that's the thing usually you have black hatat the thing usually you have black hatat the thing usually you have black hatat the it's still your Monday to Thursday and it's still your Monday to Thursday and it's still your Monday to Thursday and they Thursday to uh to Sunday there's they Thursday to uh to Sunday there's they Thursday to uh to Sunday there's also a smaller hacker con part of the also a smaller hacker con part of the also a smaller hacker con part of the bside series B Las Vegas on the on the bside series B Las Vegas on the on the bside series B Las Vegas on the on the on Tuesday Wednesday so I don't go to on Tuesday Wednesday so I don't go to on Tuesday Wednesday so I don't go to black hat myself it's it's black hat R I black hat myself it's it's black hat R I black hat myself it's it's black hat R I say these are commercial conferences so say these are commercial conferences so say these are commercial conferences so you go you go there for work or if you you go you go there for work or if you you go you go there for work or if you for your Professional Network but if for your Professional Network but if for your Professional Network but if vacation is my case you don't you don't vacation is my case you don't you don't vacation is my case you don't you don't go to this one okay that's pretty cool go to this one okay that's pretty cool go to this one okay that's pretty cool what's up B so it was it was worth your what's up B so it was it was worth your what's up B so it was it was worth your while huh yeah I mean the thing is I while huh yeah I mean the thing is I while huh yeah I mean the thing is I mean defon is very hack conference in mean defon is very hack conference in mean defon is very hack conference in general are very Community Driven general are very Community Driven general are very Community Driven there's a lot of different topics there's a lot of different topics there's a lot of different topics Villages things and also usually you you Villages things and also usually you you Villages things and also usually you you have your tribe so I mean I have my have your tribe so I mean I have my have your tribe so I mean I have my tribe a bunch of people we go every year tribe a bunch of people we go every year tribe a bunch of people we go every year we meet there we from all over the we meet there we from all over the we meet there we from all over the country we in Canada some in Chicago country we in Canada some in Chicago country we in Canada some in Chicago some South California so there are some South California so there are some South California so there are pretty much everywhere and we and we do pretty much everywhere and we and we do pretty much everywhere and we and we do depending on our interest sometimes we depending on our interest sometimes we depending on our interest sometimes we compete we didn't this year well kind of compete we didn't this year well kind of compete we didn't this year well kind of this year but not really seriously and this year but not really seriously and this year but not really seriously and uh that's what you do about it and I and uh that's what you do about it and I and uh that's what you do about it and I and I I have a few I have a few experence I I I have a few I have a few experence I I I have a few I have a few experence I can't talk about but there's always a can't talk about but there's always a can't talk about but there's always a few things which are really really few things which are really really few things which are really really amazing the thing that always fascinates amazing the thing that always fascinates amazing the thing that always fascinates me in this one I can talk about a little me in this one I can talk about a little me in this one I can talk about a little bit just SEC is the uh the software the bit just SEC is the uh the software the bit just SEC is the uh the software the social engineering aspect so the whole social engineering aspect so the whole social engineering aspect so the whole social engineering Village and where social engineering Village and where social engineering Village and where they have the booth and you have a big they have the booth and you have a big they have the booth and you have a big big competition where the top teams

big competition where the top teams big competition where the top teams actually prepare all year long but then actually prepare all year long but then actually prepare all year long but then you also have the impromptu one you know you also have the impromptu one you know you also have the impromptu one you know the guy given or the girls given um an the guy given or the girls given um an the guy given or the girls given um an objective which is go figure out if objective which is go figure out if objective which is go figure out if these compan using MFA and what kind of these compan using MFA and what kind of these compan using MFA and what kind of uh internet browsers they using and and uh internet browsers they using and and uh internet browsers they using and and you listen to the call live during the you listen to the call live during the you listen to the call live during the session session session fascinating I mean there's always a lot fascinating I mean there's always a lot fascinating I mean there's always a lot of you know you have to queue for an of you know you have to queue for an of you know you have to queue for an hour to get into the room but it's F and hour to get into the room but it's F and hour to get into the room but it's F and before you get into the room they give before you get into the room they give before you get into the room they give you a little quiz to say what's your you a little quiz to say what's your you a little quiz to say what's your favorite pet name and um food and all favorite pet name and um food and all favorite pet name and um food and all that yeah of course some people try that that yeah of course some people try that that yeah of course some people try that believe it or not but there's a there's believe it or not but there's a there's believe it or not but there's a there's a lot of outsmarting at death gun so you a lot of outsmarting at death gun so you a lot of outsmarting at death gun so you know what here's the thing is you don't know what here's the thing is you don't know what here's the thing is you don't actually have to outsmart too many actually have to outsmart too many actually have to outsmart too many people not at all um all you have to do people not at all um all you have to do people not at all um all you have to do is uh cater to their lack of is uh cater to their lack of is uh cater to their lack of sensibilities I mean just consider sensibilities I mean just consider sensibilities I mean just consider WWE you know um people who WWE you know um people who WWE you know um people who believe that you know these pro believe that you know these pro believe that you know these pro wrestlers are actually hitting each wrestlers are actually hitting each wrestlers are actually hitting each other and it's an actual other and it's an actual other and it's an actual sport you just catered to that kind of sport you just catered to that kind of sport you just catered to that kind of thing and you socially engineer I mean thing and you socially engineer I mean thing and you socially engineer I mean you know it's like weird um when you you know it's like weird um when you you know it's like weird um when you start off with the assumption that start off with the assumption that start off with the assumption that everyone is is like motivated by everyone is is like motivated by everyone is is like motivated by intellectual things or things that are intellectual things or things that are intellectual things or things that are factual you you're you're lost the the factual you you're you're lost the the factual you you're you're lost the the market for like like not so smart market for like like not so smart market for like like not so smart massive oh it's it's when you deny that

massive oh it's it's when you deny that massive oh it's it's when you deny that you you stray away from what the you you stray away from what the you you stray away from what the solution might be you you have to take solution might be you you have to take solution might be you you have to take that into account if you don't you're in that into account if you don't you're in that into account if you don't you're in fraking denial and your stuff is totally fraking denial and your stuff is totally fraking denial and your stuff is totally detached from reality no matter how you detached from reality no matter how you detached from reality no matter how you know how much you disregard how silly know how much you disregard how silly know how much you disregard how silly things are you know I mean and and I was things are you know I mean and and I was things are you know I mean and and I was surprised because I think that because I surprised because I think that because I surprised because I think that because I I go to this this kind of you know I go to this this kind of you know I go to this this kind of you know social engineering things for a few been social engineering things for a few been social engineering things for a few been a few years ago there now probably a few years ago there now probably a few years ago there now probably because it started about 10 years ago because it started about 10 years ago because it started about 10 years ago and actually some Evolution because 10 and actually some Evolution because 10 and actually some Evolution because 10 years ago it was absolutely years ago it was absolutely years ago it was absolutely hilarious anybody got called got got got hilarious anybody got called got got got hilarious anybody got called got got got you got fooled and and and gave gave up you got fooled and and and gave gave up you got fooled and and and gave gave up information this year it was a little information this year it was a little information this year it was a little and even last year was a little tougher and even last year was a little tougher and even last year was a little tougher for example I won't name the company but for example I won't name the company but for example I won't name the company but there's a company the guy was calling there's a company the guy was calling there's a company the guy was calling because one of the usual pretex is I'm because one of the usual pretex is I'm because one of the usual pretex is I'm for corporate and I'm calling you to do for corporate and I'm calling you to do for corporate and I'm calling you to do an audit or a survey and you start an audit or a survey and you start an audit or a survey and you start pumping for information but the guy say pumping for information but the guy say pumping for information but the guy say oh what is the corporate password so oh what is the corporate password so oh what is the corporate password so this company which is a retailer sh this company which is a retailer sh this company which is a retailer sh chain has actually put in place a chain has actually put in place a chain has actually put in place a corporate password so when somebody corporate password so when somebody corporate password so when somebody calls the shop say hey I'm from calls the shop say hey I'm from calls the shop say hey I'm from corporate you have to give the secret corporate you have to give the secret corporate you have to give the secret word oh I see for the phone call yeah word oh I see for the phone call yeah word oh I see for the phone call yeah the kind of authentication element right the kind of authentication element right the kind of authentication element right so you started to see things like that so you started to see things like that so you started to see things like that and you started to see reflexes that and you started to see reflexes that and you started to see reflexes that people say oh I can't talk about that people say oh I can't talk about that people say oh I can't talk about that let me transfer to your supervisor and let me transfer to your supervisor and let me transfer to your supervisor and usually the supervisor is much more usually the supervisor is much more usually the supervisor is much more inquisitive so it is getting better over inquisitive so it is getting better over inquisitive so it is getting better over around in the world but yeah it's still around in the world but yeah it's still around in the world but yeah it's still full people interesting totally full people interesting totally full people interesting totally definitely it's a very interesting space definitely it's a very interesting space definitely it's a very interesting space yeah

yeah yeah I saw some comments there about maybe it I saw some comments there about maybe it I saw some comments there about maybe it was from Weston but it was David Weston was from Weston but it was David Weston was from Weston but it was David Weston from Microsoft was saying like encrypted from Microsoft was saying like encrypted from Microsoft was saying like encrypted firmware is actually now working against firmware is actually now working against firmware is actually now working against uh some of the security policies because uh some of the security policies because uh some of the security policies because um you can't do a lot of monitoring of um you can't do a lot of monitoring of um you can't do a lot of monitoring of changes if all the firmware is encrypted changes if all the firmware is encrypted changes if all the firmware is encrypted so I thought it was an interesting sort so I thought it was an interesting sort so I thought it was an interesting sort of like of like of like counterintuitive yeah perspective there counterintuitive yeah perspective there counterintuitive yeah perspective there it's like you know you can't do a lot of it's like you know you can't do a lot of it's like you know you can't do a lot of monitoring of stuff if everything's monitoring of stuff if everything's monitoring of stuff if everything's encrypted but then at the same time I encrypted but then at the same time I encrypted but then at the same time I don't know we keep getting going back to don't know we keep getting going back to don't know we keep getting going back to Battle Star Galactica you know btar Battle Star Galactica you know btar Battle Star Galactica you know btar giving away the nuclear codes or giving away the nuclear codes or giving away the nuclear codes or whatever the defense codes to a sexy whatever the defense codes to a sexy whatever the defense codes to a sexy sylon you know that's what you gotta do sylon you know that's what you gotta do sylon you know that's what you gotta do that's what you gota do well you need to that's what you gota do well you need to that's what you gota do well you need to have an AI agent on the phone with you have an AI agent on the phone with you have an AI agent on the phone with you that like that intercepts the phone that like that intercepts the phone that like that intercepts the phone calls and then if someone says hey calls and then if someone says hey calls and then if someone says hey what's your password orever it sort of what's your password orever it sort of what's your password orever it sort of comes in and like blocks your thing you comes in and like blocks your thing you comes in and like blocks your thing you know know know the the last thing be a i' like to the the last thing be a i' like to the the last thing be a i' like to mention about de car which has pry close mention about de car which has pry close mention about de car which has pry close to my art because I'm you guys know I to my art because I'm you guys know I to my art because I'm you guys know I did a talk in Finland earlier at the did a talk in Finland earlier at the did a talk in Finland earlier at the hacker conference this year and my pit hacker conference this year and my pit hacker conference this year and my pit me the the hacker Community needs to be me the the hacker Community needs to be me the the hacker Community needs to be much more involved at a political and much more involved at a political and much more involved at a political and policy level and this is starting to policy level and this is starting to policy level and this is starting to happen I mean it started a few years ago happen I mean it started a few years ago happen I mean it started a few years ago but you have actually policy maker but you have actually policy maker but you have actually policy maker coming to Defcon there's an initiative coming to Defcon there's an initiative coming to Defcon there's an initiative that was launched as way to incentive I that was launched as way to incentive I that was launched as way to incentive I mean motivate hackers to basically go in mean motivate hackers to basically go in mean motivate hackers to basically go in politics because we know there's so much politics because we know there's so much politics because we know there's so much so little knowledge of the so little knowledge of the so little knowledge of the the techniques and Technologies behind

the techniques and Technologies behind the techniques and Technologies behind you know in our governments you know you know in our governments you know you know in our governments you know I'll tell you right now I you know you I'll tell you right now I you know you I'll tell you right now I you know you guys only know a fraction of what I guys only know a fraction of what I guys only know a fraction of what I actually do I don't disclose everything actually do I don't disclose everything actually do I don't disclose everything but I will tell you there is and Rob but I will tell you there is and Rob but I will tell you there is and Rob probably knows better than I I do well probably knows better than I I do well probably knows better than I I do well he knows what I know because here's the he knows what I know because here's the he knows what I know because here's the thing getting actual people in the thing getting actual people in the thing getting actual people in the industry into policymaking is not the industry into policymaking is not the industry into policymaking is not the best thing to do you need an inter best thing to do you need an inter best thing to do you need an inter mediary right and the people who can mediary right and the people who can mediary right and the people who can translate what's happening in the translate what's happening in the translate what's happening in the industry into the policy context right industry into the policy context right industry into the policy context right and Rob that's kind of what you're doing and Rob that's kind of what you're doing and Rob that's kind of what you're doing right now right you you've been doing right now right you you've been doing right now right you you've been doing that with the military and as much as that with the military and as much as that with the military and as much as you give you know talk crap about you give you know talk crap about you give you know talk crap about analysts that ideally is their role analysts that ideally is their role analysts that ideally is their role right right right ideally it is not in most cases because ideally it is not in most cases because ideally it is not in most cases because it I think the the whole there's people it I think the the whole there's people it I think the the whole there's people in the analyst game calling them M eles in the analyst game calling them M eles in the analyst game calling them M eles analysts who really don't do the gig analysts who really don't do the gig analysts who really don't do the gig right um and there's a few of us who are right um and there's a few of us who are right um and there's a few of us who are recognized for absolutely critical stuff recognized for absolutely critical stuff recognized for absolutely critical stuff right and um they these folks are the right and um they these folks are the right and um they these folks are the ones who should be advising and be ones who should be advising and be ones who should be advising and be providing that sort of impartial uh view providing that sort of impartial uh view providing that sort of impartial uh view on things because right now even if you on things because right now even if you on things because right now even if you look at the chips act and what's look at the chips act and what's look at the chips act and what's happened there it's been overrun by happened there it's been overrun by happened there it's been overrun by commercial interests right commercial interests right commercial interests right and it it's becoming nonsensical right

and it it's becoming nonsensical right and it it's becoming nonsensical right this applies to everything open ran the this applies to everything open ran the this applies to everything open ran the whole open Rand thing with what the the whole open Rand thing with what the the whole open Rand thing with what the the FC did and how it embraced and other FC did and how it embraced and other FC did and how it embraced and other governments it was just like oh my God governments it was just like oh my God governments it was just like oh my God you guys are just You're Building policy you guys are just You're Building policy you guys are just You're Building policy on top of hype and so you need people on top of hype and so you need people on top of hype and so you need people that can dispel a lot of that stuff and that can dispel a lot of that stuff and that can dispel a lot of that stuff and ground things so that you have good ground things so that you have good ground things so that you have good policy uh otherwise you end up with like policy uh otherwise you end up with like policy uh otherwise you end up with like a freaking clean clean networks a freaking clean clean networks a freaking clean clean networks initiative with Chinese initiative with Chinese initiative with Chinese equipment 90% of it still after almost 5 equipment 90% of it still after almost 5 equipment 90% of it still after almost 5 years still in the years still in the years still in the network America how does that work out I network America how does that work out I network America how does that work out I think I think there's a lot to be said think I think there's a lot to be said think I think there's a lot to be said for you know I mean inviting you know for you know I mean inviting you know for you know I mean inviting you know invi invitation By Invitation come on in invi invitation By Invitation come on in invi invitation By Invitation come on in come on in we want you to help us drive come on in we want you to help us drive come on in we want you to help us drive drive policy okay so that's a that's in drive policy okay so that's a that's in drive policy okay so that's a that's in in essence the definition of the in essence the definition of the in essence the definition of the circular economy I mean as it relates to circular economy I mean as it relates to circular economy I mean as it relates to um I I've got something I'm abiding by um I I've got something I'm abiding by um I I've got something I'm abiding by all of the standards protocols and all of the standards protocols and all of the standards protocols and everything like that and I'm securing everything like that and I'm securing everything like that and I'm securing all of the stuff that I have oh but but all of the stuff that I have oh but but all of the stuff that I have oh but but wait a minute you know what I don't know wait a minute you know what I don't know wait a minute you know what I don't know what these you know outside threat what these you know outside threat what these you know outside threat individuals are going to do to this so individuals are going to do to this so individuals are going to do to this so let me invite them in so that I can make let me invite them in so that I can make let me invite them in so that I can make my stuff even more robust and the cycle my stuff even more robust and the cycle my stuff even more robust and the cycle starts again because those that want to starts again because those that want to starts again because those that want to come in because they get handsomely paid come in because they get handsomely paid come in because they get handsomely paid are not the ones that are really going are not the ones that are really going are not the ones that are really going to kill your network off it's those that to kill your network off it's those that to kill your network off it's those that are saying M go ahead and do that and are saying M go ahead and do that and are saying M go ahead and do that and I'll keep my eye on it I'll keep my eye on it I'll keep my eye on it and I'm G to come in through some and I'm G to come in through some and I'm G to come in through some relevant back door and I'm going to do

relevant back door and I'm going to do relevant back door and I'm going to do some things to you yeah yeah I mean and some things to you yeah yeah I mean and some things to you yeah yeah I mean and that that's the danger of open right that that's the danger of open right that that's the danger of open right we've already talked about this and then we've already talked about this and then we've already talked about this and then think think about all the episodes where think think about all the episodes where think think about all the episodes where we we were going against the grain and we we were going against the grain and we we were going against the grain and talking about how yeah just because it's talking about how yeah just because it's talking about how yeah just because it's open doesn't make it secure right open doesn't make it secure right open doesn't make it secure right proprietary actually there's motivation proprietary actually there's motivation proprietary actually there's motivation there is commercial motivation to make there is commercial motivation to make there is commercial motivation to make sure that your stuff is secure you have sure that your stuff is secure you have sure that your stuff is secure you have to balance it and you always have to to balance it and you always have to to balance it and you always have to have the customer uh a a very aware and have the customer uh a a very aware and have the customer uh a a very aware and educated customer con you know group educated customer con you know group educated customer con you know group challenging the vendor to continue to challenging the vendor to continue to challenging the vendor to continue to make like things like security a PRI a make like things like security a PRI a make like things like security a PRI a priority things like privacy a priority priority things like privacy a priority priority things like privacy a priority when these guys get ignorant the vendor when these guys get ignorant the vendor when these guys get ignorant the vendor gets lazy and then that's when they can gets lazy and then that's when they can gets lazy and then that's when they can compromise um the quality of their compromise um the quality of their compromise um the quality of their security and everything else but um you security and everything else but um you security and everything else but um you know doesn't mean know doesn't mean know doesn't mean that obviously have to refine what we that obviously have to refine what we that obviously have to refine what we mean by open you know open is a mean by open you know open is a mean by open you know open is a commercial motivation open source is not commercial motivation open source is not commercial motivation open source is not I mean it's very very different element I mean it's very very different element I mean it's very very different element as soon as you put things open you just as soon as you put things open you just as soon as you put things open you just want to interact with more people to want to interact with more people to want to interact with more people to make more money you don't want it to be make more money you don't want it to be make more money you don't want it to be more secure there's no question about more secure there's no question about more secure there's no question about that Source yes because you have you that Source yes because you have you that Source yes because you have you assume that you will have more people assume that you will have more people assume that you will have more people that that you know look at it with good that that you know look at it with good that that you know look at it with good intent or balance the people looking intent or balance the people looking intent or balance the people looking with bad intent we balance we be with bad intent we balance we be with bad intent we balance we be balanced by people with good intent balanced by people with good intent balanced by people with good intent that's the Assumption of Open Source but that's the Assumption of Open Source but that's the Assumption of Open Source but uh but open doesn't mean anything in uh but open doesn't mean anything in uh but open doesn't mean anything in terms of improving security of privacy terms of improving security of privacy terms of improving security of privacy or anything on the contrary actually

or anything on the contrary actually or anything on the contrary actually yeah and technically you're very you're yeah and technically you're very you're yeah and technically you're very you're very right it's just the perception very right it's just the perception very right it's just the perception problem it highly generalized and it problem it highly generalized and it problem it highly generalized and it impacts all of it right everyone just impacts all of it right everyone just impacts all of it right everyone just casual just like AI everyone just goes casual just like AI everyone just goes casual just like AI everyone just goes around casually saying oh ai ai you know around casually saying oh ai ai you know around casually saying oh ai ai you know it's it's it's like do Revolution all of it is a like do Revolution all of it is a like do Revolution all of it is a revolution it's a revolution revolution it's a revolution revolution it's a revolution is it yes yes it's Revolution you know is it yes yes it's Revolution you know is it yes yes it's Revolution you know what it feels like a revolution let's what it feels like a revolution let's what it feels like a revolution let's talk about Innovation at the airport talk about Innovation at the airport talk about Innovation at the airport since I'm at the since I'm at the since I'm at the airport no seriously all right I'll give airport no seriously all right I'll give airport no seriously all right I'll give you I'm GNA show you a tiny Innovation you I'm GNA show you a tiny Innovation you I'm GNA show you a tiny Innovation it's not big but if you look down it's not big but if you look down it's not big but if you look down here you know here you know here you know [Music] [Music] [Music] can that is highly can that is highly can that is highly Innovative Innovative Innovative usba there is usba but if you look usba there is usba but if you look usba there is usba but if you look closely I'm gonna unplug it look closely I'm gonna unplug it look closely I'm gonna unplug it look closely just below it with the blue closely just below it with the blue closely just below it with the blue light around it oh there C oh that's light around it oh there C oh that's light around it oh there C oh that's great oh my God USBC at the airport is great oh my God USBC at the airport is great oh my God USBC at the airport is an innovation Innovation is just an an innovation Innovation is just an an innovation Innovation is just an incremental Improvement it's not a incremental Improvement it's not a incremental Improvement it's not a revolution that's revolution that's revolution that's good seem go ahead no and ironically good seem go ahead no and ironically good seem go ahead no and ironically probably pushed by the EU you know um what would seem like EU you know um what would seem like Revolution though if you took someone Revolution though if you took someone Revolution though if you took someone from the 19 60s or 70s or 80s and from the 19 60s or 70s or 80s and from the 19 60s or 70s or 80s and they've seen Sci-Fi they've seen Sci-Fi they've seen Sci-Fi movies like Demolition Man you know like

movies like Demolition Man you know like movies like Demolition Man you know like Wesley Snipes is coming for you um if Wesley Snipes is coming for you um if Wesley Snipes is coming for you um if you go to the air when I go to the you go to the air when I go to the you go to the air when I go to the airport and you got clear and you walk airport and you got clear and you walk airport and you got clear and you walk up and you do the retina scan and then up and you do the retina scan and then up and you do the retina scan and then you go right I mean I got through TSA you go right I mean I got through TSA you go right I mean I got through TSA like in five minutes today at CAC like in five minutes today at CAC like in five minutes today at CAC airport which is airport which is airport which is amazing but it's all casual to me but amazing but it's all casual to me but amazing but it's all casual to me but you didn't have to go that far back in you didn't have to go that far back in you didn't have to go that far back in time where the idea of people walking up time where the idea of people walking up time where the idea of people walking up and going you know and doing a I scan and going you know and doing a I scan and going you know and doing a I scan and then getting in people like oh my and then getting in people like oh my and then getting in people like oh my God you're from the future um so yeah God you're from the future um so yeah God you're from the future um so yeah it's kind of cool just depends on your it's kind of cool just depends on your it's kind of cool just depends on your perspective right let me ask you a perspective right let me ask you a perspective right let me ask you a question about that um and I I don't question about that um and I I don't question about that um and I I don't necessarily agree with Innovation being necessarily agree with Innovation being necessarily agree with Innovation being incremental because I think Innovation incremental because I think Innovation incremental because I think Innovation can truly be Monumental uh depending on can truly be Monumental uh depending on can truly be Monumental uh depending on on how it's how it's done where you're on how it's how it's done where you're on how it's how it's done where you're innovating um but the the so you plug in innovating um but the the so you plug in innovating um but the the so you plug in your phone to that USB Jack your phone to that USB Jack your phone to that USB Jack MH um your risk there you're trusting MH um your risk there you're trusting MH um your risk there you're trusting you're you're already trusting that but you're you're already trusting that but you're you're already trusting that but the risk there is juice jaing right yes the risk there is juice jaing right yes the risk there is juice jaing right yes yes that's right well you you should not yes that's right well you you should not yes that's right well you you should not plug your phone directly into this you plug your phone directly into this you plug your phone directly into this you should have an you should have an should have an you should have an should have an you should have an intermediary adapter that makes sure intermediary adapter that makes sure intermediary adapter that makes sure only Power go through and if you don't only Power go through and if you don't only Power go through and if you don't do that BR I'm very disappointed but I do that BR I'm very disappointed but I do that BR I'm very disappointed but I will buy you one for Christmas no no will buy you one for Christmas no no will buy you one for Christmas no no he's plugged into a some he's not he's plugged into a some he's not he's plugged into a some he's not plugged into that thing right my phone's plugged into that thing right my phone's plugged into that thing right my phone's not plugged my de charge it's just not plugged my de charge it's just not plugged my de charge it's just charging a watch actually so yes but but charging a watch actually so yes but but charging a watch actually so yes but but Bill's right A lot of people don't know

Bill's right A lot of people don't know Bill's right A lot of people don't know that they think I'm just getting juice that they think I'm just getting juice that they think I'm just getting juice electricity but you could be getting electricity but you could be getting electricity but you could be getting data sucked out of your device I mean data sucked out of your device I mean data sucked out of your device I mean the minute that you plugged in it's the minute that you plugged in it's the minute that you plugged in it's going to initiate that handshake and going to initiate that handshake and going to initiate that handshake and it's say oh wait a minute give me all it's say oh wait a minute give me all it's say oh wait a minute give me all your contexts give me all your browsing your contexts give me all your browsing your contexts give me all your browsing history give me this give me that give history give me this give me that give history give me this give me that give me this give me that give me that as me this give me that give me that as me this give me that give me that as fast as I can get it yeah yeah very fast as I can get it yeah yeah very fast as I can get it yeah yeah very you're right USBC you're right USBC you're right USBC speed yeah and so what we should expect speed yeah and so what we should expect speed yeah and so what we should expect just like sometimes you see these credit just like sometimes you see these credit just like sometimes you see these credit card skimmers that put a fake thing at card skimmers that put a fake thing at card skimmers that put a fake thing at the gas pump a gas station and they the gas pump a gas station and they the gas pump a gas station and they steal all your stuff we should expect to steal all your stuff we should expect to steal all your stuff we should expect to see similar skimmers at airport or other see similar skimmers at airport or other see similar skimmers at airport or other places like hey plug in and get charged places like hey plug in and get charged places like hey plug in and get charged up why not I would totally expect to see up why not I would totally expect to see up why not I would totally expect to see that the average person will be totally that the average person will be totally that the average person will be totally fooled by it and what's the next one fooled by it and what's the next one fooled by it and what's the next one what's the next one well Bluetooth what's the next one well Bluetooth what's the next one well Bluetooth Bluetooth broke oh BL yeah yeah yeah Bluetooth broke oh BL yeah yeah yeah Bluetooth broke oh BL yeah yeah yeah Bluetooth broadcast your Mac address Bluetooth broadcast your Mac address Bluetooth broadcast your Mac address pretty much everywhere so next shopping pretty much everywhere so next shopping pretty much everywhere so next shopping mall are starting to to capture that to mall are starting to to capture that to mall are starting to to capture that to check when you come back to their shops check when you come back to their shops check when you come back to their shops so yes yeah that's right well the other so yes yeah that's right well the other so yes yeah that's right well the other so so there's and people think that if so so there's and people think that if so so there's and people think that if you turn it off it's not beaconing but you turn it off it's not beaconing but you turn it off it's not beaconing but in actuality but but the the the barcodes actuality but but the the the barcodes you know the you know the you know the the little the little um what QR codes the little the little um what QR codes the little the little um what QR codes QR codes yeah so I can I mean I've seen QR codes yeah so I can I mean I've seen QR codes yeah so I can I mean I've seen this happen you know go up you're going this happen you know go up you're going this happen you know go up you're going to an EV charging station that just says to an EV charging station that just says to an EV charging station that just says you know you're like I don't want that

you know you're like I don't want that you know you're like I don't want that app I just want to I just want access I app I just want to I just want access I app I just want to I just want access I just want to charge you go over there just want to charge you go over there just want to charge you go over there and you and you barcode scan and then it and you and you barcode scan and then it and you and you barcode scan and then it pulls up 404 error or whatever it is pulls up 404 error or whatever it is pulls up 404 error or whatever it is you're like oh it's not working it just you're like oh it's not working it just you're like oh it's not working it just took yeah all your information to took yeah all your information to took yeah all your information to you yeah right you yeah right you yeah right yeah it's not Cas but there is a risk of yeah it's not Cas but there is a risk of yeah it's not Cas but there is a risk of that yeah knows this stuff I don't think that yeah knows this stuff I don't think that yeah knows this stuff I don't think I mean very few people you know outside I mean very few people you know outside I mean very few people you know outside of of of like bills basically we're just we're like bills basically we're just we're like bills basically we're just we're just continuing our deathcon just continuing our deathcon just continuing our deathcon discussion yeah is what we're doing yeah discussion yeah is what we're doing yeah discussion yeah is what we're doing yeah you know airport is a great place to you know airport is a great place to you know airport is a great place to suck a lot of people's data out if suck a lot of people's data out if suck a lot of people's data out if you're an Intelligence Agency of a yeah you're an Intelligence Agency of a yeah you're an Intelligence Agency of a yeah I mean you think about coming you're I mean you think about coming you're I mean you think about coming you're going I I now know where you're going I going I I now know where you're going I going I I now know where you're going I now know I mean there's so much that you now know I mean there's so much that you now know I mean there's so much that you can get from it um probably have them at can get from it um probably have them at can get from it um probably have them at airports I don't see them anywhere airports I don't see them anywhere airports I don't see them anywhere else um and but and you're right besides else um and but and you're right besides else um and but and you're right besides the Bluetooth Mac address is the Wi-Fi the Bluetooth Mac address is the Wi-Fi the Bluetooth Mac address is the Wi-Fi you know your Wi-Fi is usually always on you know your Wi-Fi is usually always on you know your Wi-Fi is usually always on on your phone and it's always scanning on your phone and it's always scanning on your phone and it's always scanning and access points capture those and access points capture those and access points capture those addresses the Mac addresses and stuff by addresses the Mac addresses and stuff by addresses the Mac addresses and stuff by even if you don't connect to the Wi-Fi even if you don't connect to the Wi-Fi even if you don't connect to the Wi-Fi your phone's already scanning and you your phone's already scanning and you your phone's already scanning and you can you can use Wi-Fi access points to can you can use Wi-Fi access points to can you can use Wi-Fi access points to track the movement of people inside a track the movement of people inside a track the movement of people inside a building you know yeah um which for building you know yeah um which for building you know yeah um which for those of you building smart city those of you building smart city those of you building smart city solutions and you don't want to use solutions and you don't want to use solutions and you don't want to use proximity things to tr track people in

proximity things to tr track people in proximity things to tr track people in coming into rooms and hallways those coming into rooms and hallways those coming into rooms and hallways those Wi-Fi access points that are everywhere Wi-Fi access points that are everywhere Wi-Fi access points that are everywhere can do the same thing it it's a little can do the same thing it it's a little can do the same thing it it's a little more work but you can infer when you see more work but you can infer when you see more work but you can infer when you see oh wow I see this MAC address on the oh wow I see this MAC address on the oh wow I see this MAC address on the second floor in the dining room now I second floor in the dining room now I second floor in the dining room now I see it on the 30th floor going into the see it on the 30th floor going into the see it on the 30th floor going into the gym now I see you know and so uh just gym now I see you know and so uh just gym now I see you know and so uh just like we track people with uh cdrs on like we track people with uh cdrs on like we track people with uh cdrs on cell towers um you know which that's a cell towers um you know which that's a cell towers um you know which that's a whole other yeah big story from a long whole other yeah big story from a long whole other yeah big story from a long time ago when we found out that the time ago when we found out that the time ago when we found out that the government was tracking people through government was tracking people through government was tracking people through the cellular the cellular the cellular companies well I companies well I companies well I think a lot of these Innovations think a lot of these Innovations think a lot of these Innovations actually the a lot of the Innovations actually the a lot of the Innovations actually the a lot of the Innovations come out of Israel you know that's why come out of Israel you know that's why come out of Israel you know that's why you see so many of these uh companies you see so many of these uh companies you see so many of these uh companies semiconductor companies as well as semiconductor companies as well as semiconductor companies as well as censor censor censor companies um is you know surveillance is companies um is you know surveillance is companies um is you know surveillance is like a really important industry for like a really important industry for like a really important industry for them right just given where they're at them right just given where they're at them right just given where they're at and stuff and uh yeah yeah most of the and stuff and uh yeah yeah most of the and stuff and uh yeah yeah most of the big security companies and firewall big security companies and firewall big security companies and firewall companies when you see big Acquisitions companies when you see big Acquisitions companies when you see big Acquisitions of security companies you're right every of security companies you're right every of security companies you're right every other one comes from Israel it seems other one comes from Israel it seems other one comes from Israel it seems like whiz whz right that one where they like whiz whz right that one where they like whiz whz right that one where they snub their nose at uh Google and said I snub their nose at uh Google and said I snub their nose at uh Google and said I think we got our own game going on here think we got our own game going on here think we got our own game going on here it's it's it's a combination of the it's it's it's a combination of the it's it's it's a combination of the geopolitical obviously environment as geopolitical obviously environment as geopolitical obviously environment as well as the fact that they have like a well as the fact that they have like a well as the fact that they have like a three years two years and a half

three years two years and a half three years two years and a half military service in which the smart military service in which the smart military service in which the smart people go become analyst and learn how people go become analyst and learn how people go become analyst and learn how to do the stuff in the context of to do the stuff in the context of to do the stuff in the context of security intelligence operations right security intelligence operations right security intelligence operations right it's just yeah 26 was 1800 or what it's it's just yeah 26 was 1800 or what it's it's just yeah 26 was 1800 or what it's called something but I mean some of the called something but I mean some of the called something but I mean some of the stuff I've seen in Israel is just like stuff I've seen in Israel is just like stuff I've seen in Israel is just like oh wow you know I mean it boggles your oh wow you know I mean it boggles your oh wow you know I mean it boggles your mind the way that they use physics and mind the way that they use physics and mind the way that they use physics and science to do some really amazing things science to do some really amazing things science to do some really amazing things that translate into then because you do that translate into then because you do that translate into then because you do see a lot of these Israeli companies see a lot of these Israeli companies see a lot of these Israeli companies come to like the come to like the come to like the embedded tech tech conferences and even embedded tech tech conferences and even embedded tech tech conferences and even CES of all places right but these all CES of all places right but these all CES of all places right but these all become like the basis of the next become like the basis of the next become like the basis of the next generation of sensors for iot you know generation of sensors for iot you know generation of sensors for iot you know consumer as well as industrial iot right consumer as well as industrial iot right consumer as well as industrial iot right so anyway we go the kinds of things you so anyway we go the kinds of things you so anyway we go the kinds of things you build when you're surrounded by people build when you're surrounded by people build when you're surrounded by people who want to kill you chain your way of who want to kill you chain your way of who want to kill you chain your way of thinking right there's guns pointed at thinking right there's guns pointed at thinking right there's guns pointed at you from every direction yeah the things you from every direction yeah the things you from every direction yeah the things that are important to you are different that are important to you are different that are important to you are different than the things that might be important than the things that might be important than the things that might be important to you you know if you lived in America to you you know if you lived in America to you you know if you lived in America right well you know the reason why I right well you know the reason why I right well you know the reason why I brought them up is because when I went brought them up is because when I went brought them up is because when I went to Israel and I landed in Tel Aviv I to Israel and I landed in Tel Aviv I to Israel and I landed in Tel Aviv I thought I'd get you know it was going to thought I'd get you know it was going to thought I'd get you know it was going to be an hourlong process to get vetted and be an hourlong process to get vetted and be an hourlong process to get vetted and all that stuff and you know all that stuff and you know all that stuff and you know um man you land and you literally just um man you land and you literally just um man you land and you literally just walk out I was like holy crap it's like walk out I was like holy crap it's like walk out I was like holy crap it's like where's the room that they take you to P

where's the room that they take you to P where's the room that they take you to P you know basically it's on the way back you know basically it's on the way back you know basically it's on the way back you get the interview process no you you get the interview process no you you get the interview process no you don't you don't even get that they know don't you don't even get that they know don't you don't even get that they know everything about you already uh and and everything about you already uh and and everything about you already uh and and so you know um why I brought it up so you know um why I brought it up so you know um why I brought it up because huh sorry so it's probably because huh sorry so it's probably because huh sorry so it's probably because both of the life is already because both of the life is already because both of the life is already digitize and known by digitize and known by digitize and known by everybody no because a friend of mine everybody no because a friend of mine everybody no because a friend of mine went recently and they steal the went recently and they steal the went recently and they steal the interview process for some people yeah interview process for some people yeah interview process for some people yeah so maybe if you've been before they have so maybe if you've been before they have so maybe if you've been before they have records but uh and the interview process records but uh and the interview process records but uh and the interview process is pretty interesting actually because is pretty interesting actually because is pretty interesting actually because they keep on asking you the same they keep on asking you the same they keep on asking you the same question with different individual so question with different individual so question with different individual so different people come to you ask you the different people come to you ask you the different people come to you ask you the same question over and over again so same question over and over again so same question over and over again so they regroup and check that you've been they regroup and check that you've been they regroup and check that you've been saying the same thing so it's a a very saying the same thing so it's a a very saying the same thing so it's a a very social verying Inspire process can can social verying Inspire process can can social verying Inspire process can can if you're if you're traveling to another if you're if you're traveling to another if you're if you're traveling to another Middle Eastern country when you're Middle Eastern country when you're Middle Eastern country when you're leaving Israel you may find it difficult leaving Israel you may find it difficult leaving Israel you may find it difficult to do that if the last stamp in your to do that if the last stamp in your to do that if the last stamp in your passport came from Israel well yeah I passport came from Israel well yeah I passport came from Israel well yeah I used to do that in the 90s a lot and I used to do that in the 90s a lot and I used to do that in the 90s a lot and I had two had two had two passports okay you have two passports passports okay you have two passports passports okay you have two passports it's there's a in France you can get a it's there's a in France you can get a it's there's a in France you can get a second one for a couple of years and second one for a couple of years and second one for a couple of years and yeah I had that for sever many years and yeah I had that for sever many years and yeah I had that for sever many years and you have two passports because you have two passports because you have two passports because otherwise can I make a aiot t uh coffee otherwise can I make a aiot t uh coffee otherwise can I make a aiot t uh coffee talk first here go ahead okay yeah uh talk first here go ahead okay yeah uh talk first here go ahead okay yeah uh the dark web is the shared name space

the dark web is the shared name space the dark web is the shared name space for cyber crime and there is a fine line for cyber crime and there is a fine line for cyber crime and there is a fine line between between between intelligence and cyber crime yeah well I mean there's there's crime yeah well I mean there's there's also um a component of the dark net also um a component of the dark net also um a component of the dark net which is used for for serious privacy which is used for for serious privacy which is used for for serious privacy and with blowers as well now I would say and with blowers as well now I would say and with blowers as well now I would say the majority is probably crime I would the majority is probably crime I would the majority is probably crime I would agree with you but there is still a agree with you but there is still a agree with you but there is still a reason of existence for that it of total reason of existence for that it of total reason of existence for that it of total marketing I mean you know dark web is marketing I mean you know dark web is marketing I mean you know dark web is actually all the the data that's been actually all the the data that's been actually all the the data that's been brokered into this name space right this brokered into this name space right this brokered into this name space right this matter iot you know particular somebody matter iot you know particular somebody matter iot you know particular somebody likes to talk about uh you know likes to talk about uh you know likes to talk about uh you know um those things all the time right is um those things all the time right is um those things all the time right is this like is this like the unified Nam this like is this like the unified Nam this like is this like the unified Nam space Unified Nam space yeah sorry space Unified Nam space yeah sorry space Unified Nam space yeah sorry yeah is that what the dark web and all yeah is that what the dark web and all yeah is that what the dark web and all that stuff is is I'm about to okay we that stuff is is I'm about to okay we that stuff is is I'm about to okay we got to hear it um you know what I feel got to hear it um you know what I feel got to hear it um you know what I feel like we're gonna have to do I can like we're gonna have to do I can like we're gonna have to do I can already get a feeling from Leonard with already get a feeling from Leonard with already get a feeling from Leonard with this aiot insistence it's in his brain this aiot insistence it's in his brain this aiot insistence it's in his brain I'm gonna have to do a Men In Black I'm gonna have to do a Men In Black I'm gonna have to do a Men In Black thing to you and do the and blank out thing to you and do the and blank out thing to you and do the and blank out your memory of aiot you know so I can your memory of aiot you know so I can your memory of aiot you know so I can see where this is headed see where this is headed see where this is headed exactly you know Will Smith's gonna have exactly you know Will Smith's gonna have exactly you know Will Smith's gonna have to go too or he might have to slap you to go too or he might have to slap you to go too or he might have to slap you he might have to slap you too you never he might have to slap you too you never he might have to slap you too you never know okay so hey I did watch something

know okay so hey I did watch something know okay so hey I did watch something finally you guys are gonna make fun of finally you guys are gonna make fun of finally you guys are gonna make fun of me because it took so long for me to me because it took so long for me to me because it took so long for me to watch this um I finally watched watch this um I finally watched watch this um I finally watched Metropolis which was a Metropolis which was a Metropolis which was a 1927 German movie oh yeah yeah yeah you 1927 German movie oh yeah yeah yeah you 1927 German movie oh yeah yeah yeah you know it's a silent picture um but know it's a silent picture um but know it's a silent picture um but unbelievable you know I I just remember unbelievable you know I I just remember unbelievable you know I I just remember reading it Christopher Nolan was so reading it Christopher Nolan was so reading it Christopher Nolan was so impacted by that movie um and when you impacted by that movie um and when you impacted by that movie um and when you watch it you can see what so many sci-fi watch it you can see what so many sci-fi watch it you can see what so many sci-fi things would be you know decades in the things would be you know decades in the things would be you know decades in the future future future um I know I know it's not for anybody to um I know I know it's not for anybody to um I know I know it's not for anybody to watch a silent movie but you can you can watch a silent movie but you can you can watch a silent movie but you can you can you know you can stream it or whatever you know you can stream it or whatever you know you can stream it or whatever buy it on apple or something like that buy it on apple or something like that buy it on apple or something like that but if you can get through a silent but if you can get through a silent but if you can get through a silent picture it's worth it to see some of the picture it's worth it to see some of the picture it's worth it to see some of the concepts that they were in the special concepts that they were in the special concepts that they were in the special effects effects effects 1927 yeah and you know having people 1927 yeah and you know having people 1927 yeah and you know having people lightning and you know turning a person lightning and you know turning a person lightning and you know turning a person into a robot and and then the whole into a robot and and then the whole into a robot and and then the whole Strife between workers in a futuristic Strife between workers in a futuristic Strife between workers in a futuristic city and the way the city looked it's city and the way the city looked it's city and the way the city looked it's like you would never believe this was like you would never believe this was like you would never believe this was 1927 they're making this 1927 they're making this 1927 they're making this film yeah it's a good point I haven't film yeah it's a good point I haven't film yeah it's a good point I haven't seen it forever it's a good idea good seen it forever it's a good idea good seen it forever it's a good idea good idea for the weekend thanks well some of idea for the weekend thanks well some of idea for the weekend thanks well some of those fck Rogers man like pretty good those fck Rogers man like pretty good those fck Rogers man like pretty good you know I could see the future of you know I could see the future of you know I could see the future of movies like Logan's Run you know movies like Logan's Run you know movies like Logan's Run you know dystopia and things like that uh I could dystopia and things like that uh I could dystopia and things like that uh I could see things when you finally make it out see things when you finally make it out see things when you finally make it out of the city and find out there's this of the city and find out there's this of the city and find out there's this other world how many movies have you other world how many movies have you other world how many movies have you seen like that where you you think

seen like that where you you think seen like that where you you think you're living in this world and they you're living in this world and they you're living in this world and they break out and it's like oh you know um break out and it's like oh you know um break out and it's like oh you know um anyway go watch it I just I just read anyway go watch it I just I just read anyway go watch it I just I just read the deal that Christopher Nolan thought the deal that Christopher Nolan thought the deal that Christopher Nolan thought it was a Monumental thing that heavily it was a Monumental thing that heavily it was a Monumental thing that heavily influenced him and I was blown away to influenced him and I was blown away to influenced him and I was blown away to know it was PID know it was PID know it was PID 27 yeah yeah I mean that's that's 27 yeah yeah I mean that's that's 27 yeah yeah I mean that's that's futurism right that's like the ult like futurism right that's like the ult like futurism right that's like the ult like Jean Roddenberry he didn't freaking know Jean Roddenberry he didn't freaking know Jean Roddenberry he didn't freaking know that any of this stuff was really going that any of this stuff was really going that any of this stuff was really going to happen but look at all the Star Trek to happen but look at all the Star Trek to happen but look at all the Star Trek stuff that happened you know a lot of stuff that happened you know a lot of stuff that happened you know a lot of people a lot of people don't realize people a lot of people don't realize people a lot of people don't realize that Star Trek was on in the that Star Trek was on in the that Star Trek was on in the 60s a lot of people don't realize that 60s a lot of people don't realize that 60s a lot of people don't realize that Stanley ku's 2001 Space Odyssey was made Stanley ku's 2001 Space Odyssey was made Stanley ku's 2001 Space Odyssey was made in the 60s yeah you know and they'd be in the 60s yeah you know and they'd be in the 60s yeah you know and they'd be BL away they're like what sci-fi movie BL away they're like what sci-fi movie BL away they're like what sci-fi movie was made in the 60s oh my God it still was made in the 60s oh my God it still was made in the 60s oh my God it still looks better than some of the CGI stuff looks better than some of the CGI stuff looks better than some of the CGI stuff that we have today and 2001 is still one that we have today and 2001 is still one that we have today and 2001 is still one of the very few movies who have some of the very few movies who have some of the very few movies who have some respect for respect for respect for physics yeah there is no sound in space physics yeah there is no sound in space physics yeah there is no sound in space you kid I'm telling you kids listening you kid I'm telling you kids listening you kid I'm telling you kids listening here there is no sound in space yeah here there is no sound in space yeah here there is no sound in space yeah right they've been lying to you with right they've been lying to you with right they've been lying to you with Star Trek they Star Wars was yeah you know it's interesting that was yeah you know it's interesting that you bring that up Demitri because that you bring that up Demitri because that you bring that up Demitri because that was like one of my biggest appoint was like one of my biggest appoint was like one of my biggest appoint disappointment uh excuse me disappointment uh excuse me disappointment uh excuse me disappointment um when I when I learned

disappointment um when I when I learned disappointment um when I when I learned that there were you know you had no that there were you know you had no that there were you know you had no laser sounds you didn't hear a Man Captain Kur did that [ __ ] yeah he a Man Captain Kur did that [ __ ] yeah he did he did did he did did he did you're right make sure you're not you're right make sure you're not you're right make sure you're not wearing the red shirt do you know you wearing the red shirt do you know you wearing the red shirt do you know you and you you you guys and you kids know and you you you guys and you kids know and you you you guys and you kids know why is the they created the why is the they created the why is the they created the teleportation con Concept in Star Trek teleportation con Concept in Star Trek teleportation con Concept in Star Trek right the reason why the real reason right the reason why the real reason right the reason why the real reason this already dude we have a document this already dude we have a document this already dude we have a document tell me yes someone someone Zapped my tell me yes someone someone Zapped my tell me yes someone someone Zapped my brain tell me again well because it was brain tell me again well because it was brain tell me again well because it was too expensive to do special effect to do too expensive to do special effect to do too expensive to do special effect to do the transfer between the the space and the transfer between the the space and the transfer between the the space and the planet so say how can we creatively the planet so say how can we creatively the planet so say how can we creatively save money it's very easy invent dation save money it's very easy invent dation save money it's very easy invent dation yeah just get like yeah go ahead it's yeah just get like yeah go ahead it's yeah just get like yeah go ahead it's like yeah you're just going to turn like yeah you're just going to turn like yeah you're just going to turn people into a bite array and then send people into a bite array and then send people into a bite array and then send them over the internet and then them over the internet and then them over the internet and then rehydrate them on the other side as an rehydrate them on the other side as an rehydrate them on the other side as an object so it's going to be just like object so it's going to be just like object so it's going to be just like that yeah also I'm so glad Demetri that yeah also I'm so glad Demetri that yeah also I'm so glad Demetri talked about how there's no sound in talked about how there's no sound in talked about how there's no sound in space because then that leads you to in space because then that leads you to in space because then that leads you to in space no one can hear you scream with space no one can hear you scream with space no one can hear you scream with alien and this week we got alien Romulus alien and this week we got alien Romulus alien and this week we got alien Romulus coming out and reviewers are saying it's coming out and reviewers are saying it's coming out and reviewers are saying it's horrific and terrifying like the horrific and terrifying like the horrific and terrifying like the original alien really yes yes like good original alien really yes yes like good original alien really yes yes like good not not not horrifically good it's it's getting good horrifically good it's it's getting good horrifically good it's it's getting good reviews big time good reviews so the the reviews big time good reviews so the the reviews big time good reviews so the the new alien movie is supposed to take

new alien movie is supposed to take new alien movie is supposed to take place between the first alien and place between the first alien and place between the first alien and Aliens um and so yeah all the reviews Aliens um and so yeah all the reviews Aliens um and so yeah all the reviews look good but they said be ready to just look good but they said be ready to just look good but they said be ready to just be scared out of your minds and lot of a be scared out of your minds and lot of a be scared out of your minds and lot of a Gore you mean to tell me it's not an M Gore you mean to tell me it's not an M Gore you mean to tell me it's not an M Night Night Night Shyamalan no it's Shyamalan no it's Shyamalan no it's not thank you yeah exactly thank you you not thank you yeah exactly thank you you not thank you yeah exactly thank you you never know what you're gonna get with never know what you're gonna get with never know what you're gonna get with old M oh my God he's the hit or miss old M oh my God he's the hit or miss old M oh my God he's the hit or miss isn't he he's a Miss he's a miss a lot isn't he he's a Miss he's a miss a lot isn't he he's a Miss he's a miss a lot now are we becoming movie critics now is now are we becoming movie critics now is now are we becoming movie critics now is that it is that what we're doing here that it is that what we're doing here that it is that what we're doing here look come on look you don't don't here look come on look you don't don't here look come on look you don't don't here he is the king of showing you the entire he is the king of showing you the entire he is the king of showing you the entire movie in a a a preview yeah let me get movie in a a a preview yeah let me get movie in a a a preview yeah let me get you excited about this and then I'll you excited about this and then I'll you excited about this and then I'll wait until you get in your seat and let wait until you get in your seat and let wait until you get in your seat and let you down yeah yeah yeah it's like I'm in you down yeah yeah yeah it's like I'm in you down yeah yeah yeah it's like I'm in a gravy train off of six cents and a gravy train off of six cents and a gravy train off of six cents and unbreakable for the rest of my life for unbreakable for the rest of my life for unbreakable for the rest of my life for the rest of my life I'm just you know I the rest of my life I'm just you know I the rest of my life I'm just you know I mean you the epitome of let me throw mean you the epitome of let me throw mean you the epitome of let me throw some [ __ ] against the wall and see if it some [ __ ] against the wall and see if it some [ __ ] against the wall and see if it sticks oh that stuck oh that stuck oh sticks oh that stuck oh that stuck oh sticks oh that stuck oh that stuck oh that stuck and exactly that stuck and exactly that stuck and exactly yeah exactly I don't get it I wish that yeah exactly I don't get it I wish that yeah exactly I don't get it I wish that we were all together because it'd be fun we were all together because it'd be fun we were all together because it'd be fun for all of us to go to the movie theater for all of us to go to the movie theater for all of us to go to the movie theater to watch the new alien movie yeah and to watch the new alien movie yeah and to watch the new alien movie yeah and have us be jumping out of our seats and like I might go to embedded World in like I might go to embedded World in Austin so are you guys going Bill are

Austin so are you guys going Bill are Austin so are you guys going Bill are you gonna be there eded is that October you gonna be there eded is that October you gonna be there eded is that October is it October is it October is it October 8th like that something just to hang out 8th like that something just to hang out 8th like that something just to hang out you know um Pete was asking me to be on you know um Pete was asking me to be on you know um Pete was asking me to be on a panel with a panel with a panel with Rob so I might try to go I'll have to Rob so I might try to go I'll have to Rob so I might try to go I'll have to ask my boss ask my boss ask my boss Dave okay tell Dave to come well I know Dave okay tell Dave to come well I know Dave okay tell Dave to come well I know Dave's been asked to go as well so we'll Dave's been asked to go as well so we'll Dave's been asked to go as well so we'll see it could be fun could be fun well see it could be fun could be fun well see it could be fun could be fun well you know I mean I I was on a red hat you know I mean I I was on a red hat you know I mean I I was on a red hat call earlier and they were talking there call earlier and they were talking there call earlier and they were talking there I mean they're pushing a lot of their I mean they're pushing a lot of their I mean they're pushing a lot of their what do you call it um microshift stuff what do you call it um microshift stuff what do you call it um microshift stuff you know on on on premise sh no they you know on on on premise sh no they you know on on on premise sh no they call it the the oh oh oh micro cluster call it the the oh oh oh micro cluster call it the the oh oh oh micro cluster stuff I guess they they dub it um they stuff I guess they they dub it um they stuff I guess they they dub it um they have some weird name for it you're right have some weird name for it you're right have some weird name for it you're right red hat has their thing canonical has red hat has their thing canonical has red hat has their thing canonical has their thing that seems similar one's their thing that seems similar one's their thing that seems similar one's open stack and one's open shift and then open stack and one's open shift and then open stack and one's open shift and then there's the minii version that's called there's the minii version that's called there's the minii version that's called microcloud which I got to build some of microcloud which I got to build some of microcloud which I got to build some of that stuff you know like six months ago that stuff you know like six months ago that stuff you know like six months ago 12 months ago which was fun which is fun 12 months ago which was fun which is fun 12 months ago which was fun which is fun yeah this is this is new Innovations of yeah this is this is new Innovations of yeah this is this is new Innovations of smaller clouds at the edge right yeah smaller clouds at the edge right yeah smaller clouds at the edge right yeah yeah so I mean gez come on you can I yeah so I mean gez come on you can I yeah so I mean gez come on you can I might I might have to show up to that um might I might have to show up to that um might I might have to show up to that um I was just looking to see because I'm I was just looking to see because I'm I was just looking to see because I'm I'm gonna be at speaking at I'm gonna be at speaking at I'm gonna be at speaking at UTC um where in San

UTC um where in San UTC um where in San Diego University Town Center no no no no Diego University Town Center no no no no Diego University Town Center no no no no no no no UTC is a utility no no no UTC is a utility no no no UTC is a utility technology stion technology stion technology stion so it's G to be all about it's all about so it's G to be all about it's all about so it's G to be all about it's all about um you know what what are the modern um you know what what are the modern um you know what what are the modern things that they should be thinking things that they should be thinking things that they should be thinking about you know I mean this whole about you know I mean this whole about you know I mean this whole electrification thing kind of has driven electrification thing kind of has driven electrification thing kind of has driven itself just to the end but you're not itself just to the end but you're not itself just to the end but you're not making the Upstream stuff really smart making the Upstream stuff really smart making the Upstream stuff really smart so what what should they really be doing so what what should they really be doing so what what should they really be doing to kind of modernize and and update that to kind of modernize and and update that to kind of modernize and and update that and uh one of my one of my uh good and uh one of my one of my uh good and uh one of my one of my uh good friends that I had worked with years friends that I had worked with years friends that I had worked with years back was you know saying look I've been back was you know saying look I've been back was you know saying look I've been following what you're doing and what following what you're doing and what following what you're doing and what you're saying and we need some of that you're saying and we need some of that you're saying and we need some of that over here in the utility space so come over here in the utility space so come over here in the utility space so come over here and give us some give us some over here and give us some give us some over here and give us some give us some thoughts uh so I I'll be doing that but thoughts uh so I I'll be doing that but thoughts uh so I I'll be doing that but then I'll be back in time to come over then I'll be back in time to come over then I'll be back in time to come over to come over there to uh yeah at least to come over there to uh yeah at least to come over there to uh yeah at least we can go see a movie together yeah we can go see a movie together yeah we can go see a movie together yeah there's also also something very there's also also something very there's also also something very important happening at that event is important happening at that event is important happening at that event is concerns all of us and it's called iot concerns all of us and it's called iot concerns all of us and it's called iot Stars Stars Stars yeah what iot stars coming to America yeah what iot stars coming to America yeah what iot stars coming to America it's going to be at that embedded event it's going to be at that embedded event it's going to be at that embedded event our good buddy Mark I'm I'm there I I I our good buddy Mark I'm I'm there I I I our good buddy Mark I'm I'm there I I I gotta support I gotta support gotta gotta support I gotta support gotta gotta support I gotta support gotta support them yeah and then we we gotta support them yeah and then we we gotta support them yeah and then we we gotta get them there yeah yeah yeah I mean I'm get them there yeah yeah yeah I mean I'm get them there yeah yeah yeah I mean I'm just crashing everybody's party man I just crashing everybody's party man I just crashing everybody's party man I mean since you guys find way to that's mean since you guys find way to that's mean since you guys find way to that's what I might just do as

what I might just do as what I might just do as well I just go to Austin for the Mexican well I just go to Austin for the Mexican well I just go to Austin for the Mexican food and barbecue yeah you food and barbecue yeah you food and barbecue yeah you know yeah we'll make it support iot yeah I have we'll make it support iot yeah I have everyone forgets what it is I think i' everyone forgets what it is I think i' everyone forgets what it is I think i' I'm back to Vegas in October but I dou I'm back to Vegas in October but I dou I'm back to Vegas in October but I dou check yeah and we can go to Anton and check yeah and we can go to Anton and check yeah and we can go to Anton and listen to some Blu you know there you listen to some Blu you know there you listen to some Blu you know there you go we should actually we should hit up go we should actually we should hit up go we should actually we should hit up some of the speak easys yeah yeah okay some of the speak easys yeah yeah okay some of the speak easys yeah yeah okay all right that sounds like fun maybe all right that sounds like fun maybe all right that sounds like fun maybe I'll bring my go and play you should I'll bring my go and play you should I'll bring my go and play you should bring your guitar and get on stage you bring your guitar and get on stage you bring your guitar and get on stage you know yeah and play some freaking heavy know yeah and play some freaking heavy know yeah and play some freaking heavy metal metal metal absolutely let's make let's make it absolutely let's make let's make it absolutely let's make let's make it happen man I'll I'll um book my I think happen man I'll I'll um book my I think happen man I'll I'll um book my I think we should I think we said there I love we should I think we said there I love we should I think we said there I love that and maybe maybe we stay one more that and maybe maybe we stay one more that and maybe maybe we stay one more day and we do the uh digital twin day and we do the uh digital twin day and we do the uh digital twin Manifesto exercise that would be great Manifesto exercise that would be great Manifesto exercise that would be great we have to H we have to H we have to H to take to hire what iconic photo we to take to hire what iconic photo we to take to hire what iconic photo we need to hire a photographer to take that need to hire a photographer to take that need to hire a photographer to take that iconic photo you know that moment come iconic photo you know that moment come iconic photo you know that moment come on we can do self we can do selfies come on we can do self we can do selfies come on we can do self we can do selfies come on we don't need a on we don't need a on we don't need a photographer do a photographer do a photographer do a selfie in portrait mode yes if you take selfie in portrait mode yes if you take selfie in portrait mode yes if you take a photographer nowadays and publish on a photographer nowadays and publish on a photographer nowadays and publish on social media these are old guys they

social media these are old guys they social media these are old guys they hire a photographer no you do the selfie hire a photographer no you do the selfie hire a photographer no you do the selfie thing Tik Tok actually you don't do you thing Tik Tok actually you don't do you thing Tik Tok actually you don't do you don't do a you do a video man and you don't do a you do a video man and you don't do a you do a video man and you put it on Tik Tok we are we old guys put it on Tik Tok we are we old guys put it on Tik Tok we are we old guys we're too old nobody pictures we're too old nobody pictures we're too old nobody pictures anymore how come I never see you guys on anymore how come I never see you guys on anymore how come I never see you guys on Tik Tok man are you on Tik Tok no I Tik Tok man are you on Tik Tok no I Tik Tok man are you on Tik Tok no I don't do Tik Tok man I I a Tik Tok I'm a don't do Tik Tok man I I a Tik Tok I'm a don't do Tik Tok man I I a Tik Tok I'm a Tik Tok Voyer so I am on it but I don't Tik Tok Voyer so I am on it but I don't Tik Tok Voyer so I am on it but I don't post anything but I look ah I I don't post anything but I look ah I I don't post anything but I look ah I I don't even touch that thing man and it's weird even touch that thing man and it's weird even touch that thing man and it's weird um I study it see why certain things get um I study it see why certain things get um I study it see why certain things get more attention than others yeah more more attention than others yeah more more attention than others yeah more likes or whatever it's interesting and likes or whatever it's interesting and likes or whatever it's interesting and it's not just gen Z people or something it's not just gen Z people or something it's not just gen Z people or something they're doing in fact Leonard you being they're doing in fact Leonard you being they're doing in fact Leonard you being a musical person I I find some of the a musical person I I find some of the a musical person I I find some of the people who getting the most views people who getting the most views people who getting the most views they're just posting like rock videos um they're just posting like rock videos um they're just posting like rock videos um like you know how you can like use the like you know how you can like use the like you know how you can like use the 4K downloader app on your PC and 4K downloader app on your PC and 4K downloader app on your PC and download anything from the internet download anything from the internet download anything from the internet YouTube I think they're just doing that YouTube I think they're just doing that YouTube I think they're just doing that and they upload great Rock videos well and they upload great Rock videos well and they upload great Rock videos well you know times and they upload it and you know times and they upload it and you know times and they upload it and people are like I love this you know and people are like I love this you know and people are like I love this you know and they get like thousands of views you they get like thousands of views you they get like thousands of views you know hey you know what we could do is we know hey you know what we could do is we know hey you know what we could do is we could create a a series of shorts on Bad could create a a series of shorts on Bad could create a a series of shorts on Bad karaoke we have a ton of that content we karaoke we have a ton of that content we karaoke we have a ton of that content we have music on right have music on right have music on right yeah we can your your beautiful Chris

yeah we can your your beautiful Chris yeah we can your your beautiful Chris cor rendition we can put some AI filters cor rendition we can put some AI filters cor rendition we can put some AI filters on top of it to make it look cool oh on top of it to make it look cool oh on top of it to make it look cool oh yeah like freaking firecrackers by the yeah like freaking firecrackers by the yeah like freaking firecrackers by the way if you're interested into kind of way if you're interested into kind of way if you're interested into kind of observing stuff Rob it's from what I've observing stuff Rob it's from what I've observing stuff Rob it's from what I've heard also is some of my friend last heard also is some of my friend last heard also is some of my friend last week is there's a whole bunch of Zoomers week is there's a whole bunch of Zoomers week is there's a whole bunch of Zoomers who are actually moving more to Discord who are actually moving more to Discord who are actually moving more to Discord the stuff is happening on the Discord the stuff is happening on the Discord the stuff is happening on the Discord server much more than on Tik Tok now Tik server much more than on Tik Tok now Tik server much more than on Tik Tok now Tik Tok is kind of those influencer fashion Tok is kind of those influencer fashion Tok is kind of those influencer fashion so sort of yeah people I don't know man so sort of yeah people I don't know man so sort of yeah people I don't know man that hot Tu girl lit it up oh my God up oh my God I'm just I'm just I'm just saying saying saying you hey it goes back to what we said you hey it goes back to what we said you hey it goes back to what we said before man making money I mean that just before man making money I mean that just before man making money I mean that just turned instantly into money oh my god oh turned instantly into money oh my god oh turned instantly into money oh my god oh yeah if you want to make money it's Tik yeah if you want to make money it's Tik yeah if you want to make money it's Tik Tok definitely she she is the that's why Tok definitely she she is the that's why Tok definitely she she is the that's why we're changing the name of our our talk we're changing the name of our our talk we're changing the name of our our talk here is because we're going to be all here is because we're going to be all here is because we're going to be all about making that money from ridiculous about making that money from ridiculous about making that money from ridiculous stuff that we're already talking about stuff that we're already talking about stuff that we're already talking about and then we're going to be Tik Tock and then we're going to be Tik Tock and then we're going to be Tik Tock Discord Heroes Discord Heroes Discord Heroes [Music] [Music] [Music] just for one day just for one day yeah just for one day just for one day yeah just for one day just for one day yeah exactly we're all gonna sell out yeah I exactly we're all gonna sell out yeah I exactly we're all gonna sell out yeah I got it yeah it's about it's about time got it yeah it's about it's about time got it yeah it's about it's about time that we sold out you know yeah there's that we sold out you know yeah there's that we sold out you know yeah there's no it's time to sell out and C time to no it's time to sell out and C time to no it's time to sell out and C time to catch in on our Fame you know it's time catch in on our Fame you know it's time catch in on our Fame you know it's time to stop being the best pep secret yeah

to stop being the best pep secret yeah to stop being the best pep secret yeah go out we we should have like iot coffee go out we we should have like iot coffee go out we we should have like iot coffee talk twerking videos yes I agree bunch talk twerking videos yes I agree bunch talk twerking videos yes I agree bunch of old guys we're gonna let we'll let of old guys we're gonna let we'll let of old guys we're gonna let we'll let you do that you do that you do that yeah you're gonna go in with me buddy yeah you're gonna go in with me buddy yeah you're gonna go in with me buddy what the hell you're the you're the head what the hell you're the you're the head what the hell you're the you're the head worker ex okay guys you know we'll be doing ex okay guys you know we'll be doing this when like when we're old and this when like when we're old and this when like when we're old and retired we'll be talking about stupid retired we'll be talking about stupid retired we'll be talking about stupid [ __ ] like this I don't know man it I'm [ __ ] like this I don't know man it I'm [ __ ] like this I don't know man it I'm just having too much fun I don't know I just having too much fun I don't know I just having too much fun I don't know I mean and mean and mean and exactly you know exactly you know exactly you know and it's all for charity yeah yeah which and it's all for charity yeah yeah which and it's all for charity yeah yeah which nobody cares about nobody cares about nobody cares about but oh OU we're fighting the good fight but oh OU we're fighting the good fight but oh OU we're fighting the good fight you know we we're laying our own history you know we we're laying our own history you know we we're laying our own history that there was a streak of generosity that there was a streak of generosity that there was a streak of generosity and what would happen if I sing a and what would happen if I sing a and what would happen if I sing a song what happen if you sing a song that song what happen if you sing a song that song what happen if you sing a song that said fight the good fight every moment said fight the good fight every moment said fight the good fight every moment what band would that be from Canada what band would that be from Canada what band would that be from Canada that's not that's not that's not rush um uh hello maybe playing a flying rush um uh hello maybe playing a flying rush um uh hello maybe playing a flying be be be maybe anyone remember anyone remember triumphs Triumph triumphs Triumph triumphs Triumph Triumph triph and magic power and all those TRS triph and magic power and all those TRS they were like I don't want to say they they were like I don't want to say they they were like I don't want to say they were competing with Rush at the same were competing with Rush at the same were competing with Rush at the same time because it's hard to compete with time because it's hard to compete with time because it's hard to compete with rush but they were the other kind of rush but they were the other kind of rush but they were the other kind of band that was playing that kind of music band that was playing that kind of music band that was playing that kind of music back then I will tell you you are back then I will tell you you are back then I will tell you you are amazing man you know more about music

amazing man you know more about music amazing man you know more about music than I do by long stretch that's I than I do by long stretch that's I than I do by long stretch that's I started that TV show on MTV called started that TV show on MTV called started that TV show on MTV called Behind the Music yeah my my parents just Behind the Music yeah my my parents just Behind the Music yeah my my parents just I just lied anyway yeah we didn't have I just lied anyway yeah we didn't have I just lied anyway yeah we didn't have cable so oh oh well it's because that's cable so oh oh well it's because that's cable so oh oh well it's because that's why you're wanting to bridge the digital why you're wanting to bridge the digital why you're wanting to bridge the digital Equity divide is because you didn't have Equity divide is because you didn't have Equity divide is because you didn't have cable as a kid exactly and you're cable as a kid exactly and you're cable as a kid exactly and you're suffering because yes I was deprived I suffering because yes I was deprived I suffering because yes I was deprived I was in the um I was into the cable was in the um I was into the cable was in the um I was into the cable divide you know cable divide I was in divide you know cable divide I was in divide you know cable divide I was in the damn TV divide we used to sit by the the damn TV divide we used to sit by the the damn TV divide we used to sit by the window and watch The Neighbor TV oh my window and watch The Neighbor TV oh my window and watch The Neighbor TV oh my gosh yeah I gosh yeah I gosh yeah I mean yeah so I love that but you know mean yeah so I love that but you know mean yeah so I love that but you know but you know what this is this is but you know what this is this is but you know what this is this is important though think about the impact important though think about the impact important though think about the impact right there was some impact anyways uh right there was some impact anyways uh right there was some impact anyways uh you want to take us out Rob or you want you want to take us out Rob or you want you want to take us out Rob or you want me to do it or br oh look you want to me to do it or br oh look you want to me to do it or br oh look you want to have Bill do it Demetri do it you do it dude all right Demetri do it you do it dude all right look here's the deal yet once again look here's the deal yet once again look here's the deal yet once again you've joined us and it's been a you've joined us and it's been a you've joined us and it's been a tremendous conversation from black hat tremendous conversation from black hat tremendous conversation from black hat to Red Hat to my hat it doesn't matter to Red Hat to my hat it doesn't matter to Red Hat to my hat it doesn't matter everything that you hear from us is everything that you hear from us is everything that you hear from us is topnotch everything that you hear from topnotch everything that you hear from topnotch everything that you hear from Rob covers the Spectrum everything that Rob covers the Spectrum everything that Rob covers the Spectrum everything that you hear from demitry is well hidden you hear from demitry is well hidden you hear from demitry is well hidden everything that you hear from Leonard is

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