IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 241: 2024 The Year of Logarithmic Hype!

all right ready hey all right ready hey [Music] [Applause] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Applause] Purple Purple Purple Haze I was really hoping you're going to Haze I was really hoping you're going to Haze I was really hoping you're going to light your guitar on fire or something light your guitar on fire or something light your guitar on fire or something you know or or you know play it behind you know or or you know play it behind you know or or you know play it behind your head or something you your head or something you your head or something you know something that would make Jimmy know something that would make Jimmy know something that would make Jimmy proud there you go yeah something like proud there you go yeah something like proud there you go yeah something like that all right ready that all right ready that all right ready let's give this a let's give this a let's give this a shot okay you got this uh okay um Bravo that's a this uh okay um Bravo that's a non-starter right there that's what they call an epic

there that's what they call an epic fail textbook if you look it up in the fail textbook if you look it up in the fail textbook if you look it up in the Oxford dictionary there's a picture of Oxford dictionary there's a picture of Oxford dictionary there's a picture of me if you took a screenshot of that me if you took a screenshot of that me if you took a screenshot of that that's epic F how's it going that's epic F how's it going that's epic F how's it going guys good guys good guys good for25 last week of the year basically for25 last week of the year basically for25 last week of the year basically that last full week of the year at least that last full week of the year at least that last full week of the year at least right good to see you right good to see you right good to see you mark yeah got to have time to connect absolutely have you been holiday connect absolutely have you been holiday season Mark has it been good yeah season Mark has it been good yeah season Mark has it been good yeah parenting here at home with children so parenting here at home with children so parenting here at home with children so it's it's getting tricky it's it's getting tricky it's it's getting tricky did you do the to that's what we want to did you do the to that's what we want to did you do the to that's what we want to yeah of course we did it yeah of course yeah of course we did it yeah of course yeah of course we did it yeah of course was exciting about was exciting about was exciting about to we left it again in the in the forest to we left it again in the in the forest to we left it again in the in the forest but yeah it's it's getting tricky and but yeah it's it's getting tricky and but yeah it's it's getting tricky and tricky to to convince children when they tricky to to convince children when they tricky to to convince children when they grow grow grow up about the magic up about the magic up about the magic about Santa has a easier job I about Santa has a easier job I about Santa has a easier job I guess uh no I don't think there's guess uh no I don't think there's guess uh no I don't think there's anything you know Santa Claus struggles anything you know Santa Claus struggles anything you know Santa Claus struggles getting kid kids to believe as they get getting kid kids to believe as they get getting kid kids to believe as they get older but but Tio is out there yeah oh older but but Tio is out there yeah oh older but but Tio is out there yeah oh yeah and and is real time you know you yeah and and is real time you know you yeah and and is real time you know you just uh you need to needs to PO know at just uh you need to needs to PO know at just uh you need to needs to PO know at the in real time so it's it's hard it's the in real time so it's it's hard it's the in real time so it's it's hard it's hard hard hard to right so Santa Claus has all night to right so Santa Claus has all night to right so Santa Claus has all night right to Del the presents so but poo is right to Del the presents so but poo is right to Del the presents so but poo is it's like real time

it's like real time it's like real time versus yeah yeah real time versus yeah yeah real time versus yeah yeah real time architectures right right architectures right right architectures right right L something really stupid like you know L something really stupid like you know L something really stupid like you know there's the idea of leaving out cookies there's the idea of leaving out cookies there's the idea of leaving out cookies or milk for Santa Claus in the middle of or milk for Santa Claus in the middle of or milk for Santa Claus in the middle of the night I was like I wrote did a post the night I was like I wrote did a post the night I was like I wrote did a post I had pictures of you know chili dogs I had pictures of you know chili dogs I had pictures of you know chili dogs for Santa at night um and then the for Santa at night um and then the for Santa at night um and then the comments were that's probably going to comments were that's probably going to comments were that's probably going to slow Santa down he's going to have to slow Santa down he's going to have to slow Santa down he's going to have to take some pit stops going to the take some pit stops going to the take some pit stops going to the bathroom or something like bathroom or something like bathroom or something like that he may not make yeah but that's that he may not make yeah but that's that he may not make yeah but that's probably how the Teo came about you know probably how the Teo came about you know probably how the Teo came about you know yes Santa poo bad chili bad chili himself into a magical log that chili himself into a magical log that craps presence out which is you know craps presence out which is you know craps presence out which is you know makes a lot of sense makes a lot of sense makes a lot of sense actually it's an ecosystem play but you actually it's an ecosystem play but you actually it's an ecosystem play but you know we have these um I don't know how know we have these um I don't know how know we have these um I don't know how you call these um I don't know if you you call these um I don't know if you you call these um I don't know if you have these um a scene you put figures of have these um a scene you put figures of have these um a scene you put figures of the oh yeah yeah so we have one special the oh yeah yeah so we have one special the oh yeah yeah so we have one special figure here that it's someone who uh ping KAG ah I know oh my gosh what is ping KAG ah I know oh my gosh what is you guys it's Chile Chile thing yeah you guys it's Chile Chile thing yeah you guys it's Chile Chile thing yeah it's the Chile that's causing that it's the Chile that's causing that it's the Chile that's causing that problem so I'm sure there churches all

problem so I'm sure there churches all problem so I'm sure there churches all over the world that are building out over the world that are building out over the world that are building out their little miniature Nativity scen their little miniature Nativity scen their little miniature Nativity scen yeah nativity scene yeah yeah but then yeah nativity scene yeah yeah but then yeah nativity scene yeah yeah but then there's this one little guy absolutely I can send you the if you guy absolutely I can send you the if you yeah search in the Wikipedia you can yeah search in the Wikipedia you can yeah search in the Wikipedia you can find it yeah people are going you want find it yeah people are going you want find it yeah people are going you want to put it in the in yeah it's a figure that picked in the in yeah it's a figure that picked in the act of defecation appearing in the act of defecation appearing in the act of defecation appearing in the Nativity nativities SC oh my God 18th Nativity nativities SC oh my God 18th Nativity nativities SC oh my God 18th century yeah maybe it's older than some century yeah maybe it's older than some century yeah maybe it's older than some cities in the cities in the cities in the oh absolutely yes wow wow somebody yeah oh absolutely yes wow wow somebody yeah oh absolutely yes wow wow somebody yeah somebody's like let's put some guy somebody's like let's put some guy somebody's like let's put some guy taking a crap in the nativity scene and taking a crap in the nativity scene and taking a crap in the nativity scene and now it's on Wikipedia so it must be real now it's on Wikipedia so it must be real now it's on Wikipedia so it must be real you know what that was probably you know what that was probably you know what that was probably historically accurate though if you historically accurate though if you historically accurate though if you really think about it you know somewhere really think about it you know somewhere really think about it you know somewhere in the village somebody was taking a in the village somebody was taking a in the village somebody was taking a crap exactly absolutely know and it it has exactly absolutely know and it it has this a this um this um humanizing effect this a this um this um humanizing effect this a this um this um humanizing effect you know it's just you know because when you know it's just you know because when you know it's just you know because when we think of the nativity scene it's all we think of the nativity scene it's all we think of the nativity scene it's all about you know all this godly power and about you know all this godly power and about you know all this godly power and divine XYZ and it just it's a reminder divine XYZ and it just it's a reminder divine XYZ and it just it's a reminder that we're all human so that we're all human so that we're all human so yeah yeah but but how many products or yeah yeah but but how many products or yeah yeah but but how many products or or companies just are still living or or or companies just are still living or or or companies just are still living or or were part of our Lives because of this

were part of our Lives because of this were part of our Lives because of this no of a joke or something like that no of a joke or something like that no of a joke or something like that right oh yeah yeah iot what was that he was just like hold iot what was that he was just like hold my beer my beer my beer yeah uh yeah welcome to this um final yeah uh yeah welcome to this um final yeah uh yeah welcome to this um final episode of the year really right where episode of the year really right where episode of the year really right where we're going to recap what happened in we're going to recap what happened in we're going to recap what happened in the world of iot and the world of Rob the world of iot and the world of Rob the world of iot and the world of Rob Tiffany quite frankly we're going to f Tiffany quite frankly we're going to f Tiffany quite frankly we're going to f focus on cuz everything focus on cuz everything focus on cuz everything Rob Tiffany and therefore this blanket Rob Tiffany and therefore this blanket Rob Tiffany and therefore this blanket annual statement is all that M more annual statement is all that M more annual statement is all that M more relevant and Urgent which is um take us relevant and Urgent which is um take us relevant and Urgent which is um take us seriously at your own seriously at your own seriously at your own risk and please don't do anything stupid risk and please don't do anything stupid risk and please don't do anything stupid based on what we've said we're just based on what we've said we're just based on what we've said we're just having having having fun and if you fun and if you fun and if you do remember it's your fault do remember it's your fault do remember it's your fault okay it's all on you yes so with that we okay it's all on you yes so with that we okay it's all on you yes so with that we also have to um give a plug for Elevate also have to um give a plug for Elevate also have to um give a plug for Elevate our kids uh the year is not over yet so our kids uh the year is not over yet so our kids uh the year is not over yet so please consider donating to elevate our please consider donating to elevate our please consider donating to elevate our kids uh for 2024 we're still in we're kids uh for 2024 we're still in we're kids uh for 2024 we're still in we're always in the process of raising funds always in the process of raising funds always in the process of raising funds for kids K through 12 in underserved and

for kids K through 12 in underserved and for kids K through 12 in underserved and unserved communities this particular unserved communities this particular unserved communities this particular year we're going to be focusing on year we're going to be focusing on year we're going to be focusing on Asheville North Carolina that was hit Asheville North Carolina that was hit Asheville North Carolina that was hit very devastatingly by Hurricane Helen very devastatingly by Hurricane Helen very devastatingly by Hurricane Helen and we're partnering with T-Mobile okay and we're partnering with T-Mobile okay and we're partnering with T-Mobile okay uh to get connectivity in addition to uh to get connectivity in addition to uh to get connectivity in addition to devices out to uh these kids in these uh devices out to uh these kids in these uh devices out to uh these kids in these uh distressed communities and so we hope distressed communities and so we hope distressed communities and so we hope that you have it in your heart to give that you have it in your heart to give that you have it in your heart to give if not you can pick up an iot Coffee if not you can pick up an iot Coffee if not you can pick up an iot Coffee Talk t-shirt for all you grinches out Talk t-shirt for all you grinches out Talk t-shirt for all you grinches out there post Christmas grin meres out there post Christmas grin meres out there post Christmas grin meres out there you can look good that's some cool there you can look good that's some cool there you can look good that's some cool merch for sure yeah and buy it for your merch for sure yeah and buy it for your merch for sure yeah and buy it for your whole family you know when you go out to whole family you know when you go out to whole family you know when you go out to New Year's celebration just wear iot New Year's celebration just wear iot New Year's celebration just wear iot Coffee Talk shirts and hoodies and not Coffee Talk shirts and hoodies and not Coffee Talk shirts and hoodies and not only will you be warm but you're going only will you be warm but you're going only will you be warm but you're going to look really cool look really cool to look really cool look really cool to look really cool look really cool people are going to be pointing at you people are going to be pointing at you people are going to be pointing at you Whispering oh my god did you see what Whispering oh my god did you see what Whispering oh my god did you see what he's wearing how do I get that it he's wearing how do I get that it he's wearing how do I get that it happens it happens it happens it happens does you know like right there happens does you know like right there happens does you know like right there with Louis Vuitton you know yeah so um yeah uh no yeah so um yeah uh no www. elevar kids.org that's where you go www. elevar kids.org that's where you go www. elevar kids.org that's where you go to make your donation and the kids will to make your donation and the kids will to make your donation and the kids will thank you okay yeah all that I just love thank you okay yeah all that I just love thank you okay yeah all that I just love how Leonard you know you're like you how Leonard you know you're like you how Leonard you know you're like you know the whole do you know this is

know the whole do you know this is know the whole do you know this is entertainment purposes don't take what entertainment purposes don't take what entertainment purposes don't take what we're saying seriously whatever I mean we're saying seriously whatever I mean we're saying seriously whatever I mean it's like we're on CNBC or Fox it's like we're on CNBC or Fox it's like we're on CNBC or Fox Business or or or like our buddies doing Business or or or like our buddies doing Business or or or like our buddies doing their 65 media countdown talks where their 65 media countdown talks where their 65 media countdown talks where they're like because we're professional they're like because we're professional they're like because we're professional stock Traders don't take us seriously stock Traders don't take us seriously stock Traders don't take us seriously here this is for entertainment purposes here this is for entertainment purposes here this is for entertainment purposes only well you do have to make those kind only well you do have to make those kind only well you do have to make those kind of disclaimers when you do talk about of disclaimers when you do talk about of disclaimers when you do talk about valuation and stock prices right which valuation and stock prices right which valuation and stock prices right which those guys and we don't like our friend those guys and we don't like our friend those guys and we don't like our friend see Ray Wong he's always on those shows see Ray Wong he's always on those shows see Ray Wong he's always on those shows too I see him on yeah and Fox Business too I see him on yeah and Fox Business too I see him on yeah and Fox Business yeah we're all about the technology and yeah we're all about the technology and yeah we're all about the technology and Industry Trends that's why we avoid Industry Trends that's why we avoid Industry Trends that's why we avoid those things and then the only thing those things and then the only thing those things and then the only thing that we talk about is crypto that's that we talk about is crypto that's that we talk about is crypto that's it exactly and and this is why Leonard it exactly and and this is why Leonard it exactly and and this is why Leonard doesn't take himself uh seriously doesn't take himself uh seriously doesn't take himself uh seriously because he bought that bunch of Bitcoins because he bought that bunch of Bitcoins because he bought that bunch of Bitcoins when he was telling [ __ ] about Bitcoins when he was telling [ __ ] about Bitcoins when he was telling [ __ ] about Bitcoins in the back when it in the back when it in the back when it like like like ,000 yeah but hey you know I did I did ,000 yeah but hey you know I did I did ,000 yeah but hey you know I did I did pose that question I was really shocked pose that question I was really shocked pose that question I was really shocked I went to the helium website and now I went to the helium website and now I went to the helium website and now there's only 375,000 there's only 375,000 there's only 375,000 hotspots there used to be a hotspots there used to be a hotspots there used to be a million so what's going on I and then million so what's going on I and then million so what's going on I and then you know all the research that I've done you know all the research that I've done you know all the research that I've done there is no indication that these guys there is no indication that these guys there is no indication that these guys have actually created a um substantial have actually created a um substantial have actually created a um substantial Global Network that I mean it goes back

Global Network that I mean it goes back Global Network that I mean it goes back to our earlier thing yeah they hitched to our earlier thing yeah they hitched to our earlier thing yeah they hitched themselves to salana and Solana's gone themselves to salana and Solana's gone themselves to salana and Solana's gone up for speculative reasons clearly but up for speculative reasons clearly but up for speculative reasons clearly but that's not again you know we were that's not again you know we were that's not again you know we were talking about anchoring onto some sort talking about anchoring onto some sort talking about anchoring onto some sort of economic value doesn't look like of economic value doesn't look like of economic value doesn't look like that's happened it looks like the that's happened it looks like the that's happened it looks like the Network's shrinking yeah what you guys Network's shrinking yeah what you guys Network's shrinking yeah what you guys are saying oh that that happened a long are saying oh that that happened a long are saying oh that that happened a long time ago actually a couple of years ago time ago actually a couple of years ago time ago actually a couple of years ago H I guess yeah he's H I guess yeah he's H I guess yeah he's shrinking um when uh when that was this shrinking um when uh when that was this shrinking um when uh when that was this movement of creating um sub layers of of movement of creating um sub layers of of movement of creating um sub layers of of the helium token yeah so there is the the helium token yeah so there is the the helium token yeah so there is the layer of iot which is the Lan Network layer of iot which is the Lan Network layer of iot which is the Lan Network and the mobile network yeah so then the and the mobile network yeah so then the and the mobile network yeah so then the the basically the Lan Hotpot owners had the basically the Lan Hotpot owners had the basically the Lan Hotpot owners had so little amount of tokens that probably so little amount of tokens that probably so little amount of tokens that probably most of them just turn it off yeah right most of them just turn it off yeah right most of them just turn it off yeah right but but yeah the ones who are providing but but yeah the ones who are providing but but yeah the ones who are providing like giving coverage or doing something like giving coverage or doing something like giving coverage or doing something relevant relevant relevant so they don't turn it off right yeah wow so they don't turn it off right yeah wow so they don't turn it off right yeah wow so everybody was hoping to make a lot of so everybody was hoping to make a lot of so everybody was hoping to make a lot of money on tokens and it just didn't money on tokens and it just didn't money on tokens and it just didn't happen and so if there's no money it's happen and so if there's no money it's happen and so if there's no money it's like bye-bye I'm out yeah you know yeah like bye-bye I'm out yeah you know yeah like bye-bye I'm out yeah you know yeah like kind like Mr Wonderful on Shark like kind like Mr Wonderful on Shark like kind like Mr Wonderful on Shark Tank and for those Reasons I'm Tank and for those Reasons I'm Tank and for those Reasons I'm out you know sorry I give it the middle out you know sorry I give it the middle out you know sorry I give it the middle finger exactly yeah sounds like a finger exactly yeah sounds like a finger exactly yeah sounds like a horrible idea I'm out you know wow I

horrible idea I'm out you know wow I horrible idea I'm out you know wow I know we should create our own this year know we should create our own this year know we should create our own this year our own updated version of helium and our own updated version of helium and our own updated version of helium and we'll call it Pony we'll call it Pony we'll call it Pony [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] P oh my god dude that so crazy yeah you P oh my god dude that so crazy yeah you P oh my god dude that so crazy yeah you know just another pyramid scheme you know just another pyramid scheme you know just another pyramid scheme you know really is if you get in early know really is if you get in early know really is if you get in early you're gonna make all the money yeah oh you're gonna make all the money yeah oh you're gonna make all the money yeah oh my God yes I no it's it's about at the my God yes I no it's it's about at the my God yes I no it's it's about at the end no the usage I think it it has a end no the usage I think it it has a end no the usage I think it it has a decent price right now so just to decent price right now so just to decent price right now so just to maintain maintain that price I don't maintain maintain that price I don't maintain maintain that price I don't know now it's $35 per token yeah I mean know now it's $35 per token yeah I mean know now it's $35 per token yeah I mean it was it was it was 0.001 but it it still goes back to the 0.001 but it it still goes back to the 0.001 but it it still goes back to the problem we talked about before that's problem we talked about before that's problem we talked about before that's fine but that's the speculative gambling fine but that's the speculative gambling fine but that's the speculative gambling part of all this stuff the other part is part of all this stuff the other part is part of all this stuff the other part is where where is that economic value that where where is that economic value that where where is that economic value that is hydrating that quote unquote is hydrating that quote unquote is hydrating that quote unquote so-called currency and it doesn't exist so-called currency and it doesn't exist so-called currency and it doesn't exist I mean or it's not VI viable and I'll I mean or it's not VI viable and I'll I mean or it's not VI viable and I'll have to be honest with you I was hoping have to be honest with you I was hoping have to be honest with you I was hoping that helium would somehow prove all the that helium would somehow prove all the that helium would somehow prove all the thousands of icos and these you know thousands of icos and these you know thousands of icos and these you know economic tokens that were floated back economic tokens that were floated back economic tokens that were floated back in the blockchain in the blockchain in the blockchain days that it would somehow make an days that it would somehow make an days that it would somehow make an impact and I remember uh T-mobile impact and I remember uh T-mobile impact and I remember uh T-mobile executive tell me I asked him so what do executive tell me I asked him so what do executive tell me I asked him so what do you think about this thing he goes uh

you think about this thing he goes uh you think about this thing he goes uh this thing is crap he literally called this thing is crap he literally called this thing is crap he literally called it it it [ __ ] and and I was like thinking you [ __ ] and and I was like thinking you [ __ ] and and I was like thinking you guys just had a press release with these guys just had a press release with these guys just had a press release with these guys uh but the whole thinking was yeah guys uh but the whole thinking was yeah guys uh but the whole thinking was yeah sure they can enven on top of us but sure they can enven on top of us but sure they can enven on top of us but we're wholesaling to them and whatever we're wholesaling to them and whatever we're wholesaling to them and whatever like little spots that they can feel like little spots that they can feel like little spots that they can feel that we that we that we don't um let them go ahead and freaking don't um let them go ahead and freaking don't um let them go ahead and freaking try to do it so these guys never really try to do it so these guys never really try to do it so these guys never really did the homework but they made money off did the homework but they made money off did the homework but they made money off of the Ico and floating this crypto of the Ico and floating this crypto of the Ico and floating this crypto right and and when you think about the right and and when you think about the right and and when you think about the whole narrative and how the helium um whole narrative and how the helium um whole narrative and how the helium um narrative has played out think about it narrative has played out think about it narrative has played out think about it I mean did it did it I mean did it did it I mean did it did it deliver it and it's sad that it it deliver it and it's sad that it it deliver it and it's sad that it it hasn't you know but I was really shocked hasn't you know but I was really shocked hasn't you know but I was really shocked to see that it was like whoa you went to see that it was like whoa you went to see that it was like whoa you went from a million hotpots to 375,000 from a million hotpots to 375,000 from a million hotpots to 375,000 you know how many I don't know if you you know how many I don't know if you you know how many I don't know if you have the map in front of you how many have the map in front of you how many have the map in front of you how many are are um cellular connectivity and how are are um cellular connectivity and how are are um cellular connectivity and how many are L one oh I don't think it many are L one oh I don't think it many are L one oh I don't think it matters matters matters cuz no it's interesting it's interesting cuz no it's interesting it's interesting cuz no it's interesting it's interesting to learn because um cellular is only us to learn because um cellular is only us to learn because um cellular is only us possible because to Res only available possible because to Res only available possible because to Res only available in the US so I'm not sure how big is the in the US so I'm not sure how big is the in the US so I'm not sure how big is the coverage by helium hotspot instead yeah coverage by helium hotspot instead yeah coverage by helium hotspot instead yeah I would be less concerned about the I would be less concerned about the I would be less concerned about the problem is is there's already tons of problem is is there's already tons of problem is is there's already tons of cellular um connectivity and in order cellular um connectivity and in order cellular um connectivity and in order fill their gaps and they have to piggy fill their gaps and they have to piggy fill their gaps and they have to piggy back off of a a major carrier right and

back off of a a major carrier right and back off of a a major carrier right and they're not going to build out you know they're not going to build out you know they're not going to build out you know you're not going to have some little you're not going to have some little you're not going to have some little dude build out it's hug or anybody build dude build out it's hug or anybody build dude build out it's hug or anybody build out a macro Network in in an urban area out a macro Network in in an urban area out a macro Network in in an urban area so these guys are like filling gaps in so these guys are like filling gaps in so these guys are like filling gaps in smaller areas and how do you I mean the smaller areas and how do you I mean the smaller areas and how do you I mean the economics don't change just because you economics don't change just because you economics don't change just because you use the crypto uh connecting people in use the crypto uh connecting people in use the crypto uh connecting people in the middle of nowhere is bad business the middle of nowhere is bad business the middle of nowhere is bad business that's just the way it is you know po that's just the way it is you know po that's just the way it is you know po people yeah leard doesn't care no I care people yeah leard doesn't care no I care people yeah leard doesn't care no I care if you're a service for that's why you if you're a service for that's why you if you're a service for that's why you have government right they have to have government right they have to have government right they have to subsidize that like Postal Service I subsidize that like Postal Service I subsidize that like Postal Service I mean you know think about how expensive mean you know think about how expensive mean you know think about how expensive it is to get like you know a a freaking it is to get like you know a a freaking it is to get like you know a a freaking letter out to some dude that lives out letter out to some dude that lives out letter out to some dude that lives out in the middle of like freaking you know in the middle of like freaking you know in the middle of like freaking you know I don't know Fair like in the outskirts I don't know Fair like in the outskirts I don't know Fair like in the outskirts of Fairbanks Alaska probably in terms of man hours uh the fu probably in terms of man hours uh the fu the time it it probably cost like 200 the time it it probably cost like 200 the time it it probably cost like 200 bucks to get that one letter that they bucks to get that one letter that they bucks to get that one letter that they the the sender paid only what maybe 25 the the sender paid only what maybe 25 the the sender paid only what maybe 25 cents for how does that work out you cents for how does that work out you cents for how does that work out you need you need government toze but I need you need government toze but I need you need government toze but I think that we we already knew that um think that we we already knew that um think that we we already knew that um all the previous L one no low power all the previous L one no low power all the previous L one no low power weight area network a global um weight area network a global um weight area network a global um T um also failed right so from the

T um also failed right so from the T um also failed right so from the things Network the open part of the things Network the open part of the things Network the open part of the Laura one network to Laura one network to Laura one network to siox and helium so that proved that siox and helium so that proved that siox and helium so that proved that probably there is no business probably there is no business probably there is no business here yeah um I don't know what do you here yeah um I don't know what do you here yeah um I don't know what do you guys think do you think CIO is going to guys think do you think CIO is going to guys think do you think CIO is going to change I mean that uh the satellite change I mean that uh the satellite change I mean that uh the satellite stuff is going to change stuff is going to change stuff is going to change things maybe no but but you need in so things maybe no but but you need in so things maybe no but but you need in so it doesn't work on indor location so it doesn't work on indor location so it doesn't work on indor location so most of the use cases were luran or sik most of the use cases were luran or sik most of the use cases were luran or sik Fox work they the devices were inside Fox work they the devices were inside Fox work they the devices were inside warehouses for example right they don't warehouses for example right they don't warehouses for example right they don't have satellite communication there and have satellite communication there and have satellite communication there and he said a important thing here when we he said a important thing here when we he said a important thing here when we talk about private stuff right that can talk about private stuff right that can talk about private stuff right that can be like private doesn't have to be yeah be like private doesn't have to be yeah be like private doesn't have to be yeah a freaking you know open a freaking you know open a freaking you know open macro macro type macro macro type macro macro type scenario just what Mark said about scenario just what Mark said about scenario just what Mark said about indoors and warehouses and stuff like indoors and warehouses and stuff like indoors and warehouses and stuff like that it's a reminder to every everybody that it's a reminder to every everybody that it's a reminder to every everybody who's like I can't believe how many eim who's like I can't believe how many eim who's like I can't believe how many eim Global Sim data providers there are out Global Sim data providers there are out Global Sim data providers there are out there now there's lots of new ones there now there's lots of new ones there now there's lots of new ones coming on and they're all brand new and coming on and they're all brand new and coming on and they're all brand new and they think they're special and they go they think they're special and they go they think they're special and they go you wouldn't believe the technology we you wouldn't believe the technology we you wouldn't believe the technology we have you can have it can connect to any have you can have it can connect to any have you can have it can connect to any network in the world and you're going to network in the world and you're going to network in the world and you're going to roam whatever and everything like that roam whatever and everything like that roam whatever and everything like that and they're all talking about how much and they're all talking about how much and they're all talking about how much how successful cellular iot is and then how successful cellular iot is and then how successful cellular iot is and then I have to remind them that I have to remind them that I have to remind them that 80% of iot devices are connected via 80% of iot devices are connected via 80% of iot devices are connected via wait for it

Wi-Fi that's that's I mean there's Wi-Fi that's that's I mean there's reason and Mark said the reason Mark reason and Mark said the reason Mark reason and Mark said the reason Mark just said the reason most iot solutions just said the reason most iot solutions just said the reason most iot solutions happen indoors they're inside buildings happen indoors they're inside buildings happen indoors they're inside buildings they're inside warehouses inside they're inside warehouses inside they're inside warehouses inside factories I don't know what you say the factories I don't know what you say the factories I don't know what you say the or what you read these 80% but I don't or what you read these 80% but I don't or what you read these 80% but I don't agree that 80% told agree that 80% told agree that 80% told me youb okay internet told you yeah the me youb okay internet told you yeah the me youb okay internet told you yeah the internet said 80% of connections are internet said 80% of connections are internet said 80% of connections are Wi-Fi so God must be true devices it Wi-Fi so God must be true devices it Wi-Fi so God must be true devices it depends if if if they use electricity depends if if if they use electricity depends if if if they use electricity that's fine if they are B battery based that's fine if they are B battery based that's fine if they are B battery based they cannot Wii so but that's if they cannot Wii so but that's if they cannot Wii so but that's if if if most iot Solutions happen indoors if if most iot Solutions happen indoors if if most iot Solutions happen indoors MH and indoors you get free I say free MH and indoors you get free I say free MH and indoors you get free I say free in air quotes electricity you can plug in air quotes electricity you can plug in air quotes electricity you can plug in a wall and there's already Wi-Fi in in a wall and there's already Wi-Fi in in a wall and there's already Wi-Fi in the building of course I'm going to use the building of course I'm going to use the building of course I'm going to use the Wi-Fi to send my data of course I'm the Wi-Fi to send my data of course I'm the Wi-Fi to send my data of course I'm going to do that I'm piggy back on going to do that I'm piggy back on going to do that I'm piggy back on what's already there I'm not going to go what's already there I'm not going to go what's already there I'm not going to go try to build some new parallel iot try to build some new parallel iot try to build some new parallel iot Network I'm G it depends on the yeah it Network I'm G it depends on the yeah it Network I'm G it depends on the yeah it depends on the devices too right and so depends on the devices too right and so depends on the devices too right and so I think like the whole idea of this iot I think like the whole idea of this iot I think like the whole idea of this iot stuff in like indoors was that you're stuff in like indoors was that you're stuff in like indoors was that you're going to be deploying new categories of going to be deploying new categories of going to be deploying new categories of devices that could be you know um um devices that could be you know um um devices that could be you know um um Wireless and deployed uh without having

Wireless and deployed uh without having Wireless and deployed uh without having to charge the thing every day right you to charge the thing every day right you to charge the thing every day right you know this of five whatever 8year battery know this of five whatever 8year battery know this of five whatever 8year battery life stuff all that stuff if we're just being real let's stuff if we're just being real let's just be practic people here I only need just be practic people here I only need just be practic people here I only need that 10year battery and I've got some that 10year battery and I've got some that 10year battery and I've got some tiny microcontroller and I'm all that if tiny microcontroller and I'm all that if tiny microcontroller and I'm all that if I'm outside where I'm in a smart Farm or I'm outside where I'm in a smart Farm or I'm outside where I'm in a smart Farm or whatever Outdoors where that's what I whatever Outdoors where that's what I whatever Outdoors where that's what I have to do but if if I if I say I'm only have to do but if if I if I say I'm only have to do but if if I if I say I'm only going to play indoors which luckily is going to play indoors which luckily is going to play indoors which luckily is where most iot actually happens I don't where most iot actually happens I don't where most iot actually happens I don't care I could use a big fat Rasberry Pie care I could use a big fat Rasberry Pie care I could use a big fat Rasberry Pie as my I device I don't care I'm gonna as my I device I don't care I'm gonna as my I device I don't care I'm gonna plug in the wall yeah you know WiFi plug in the wall yeah you know WiFi plug in the wall yeah you know WiFi exactly yeah exactly and so um I think exactly yeah exactly and so um I think exactly yeah exactly and so um I think you really have to think through all you really have to think through all you really have to think through all those those those scenarios and um I remember I remember scenarios and um I remember I remember scenarios and um I remember I remember being excited because you're right like being excited because you're right like being excited because you're right like I spent all that time doing the farm I spent all that time doing the farm I spent all that time doing the farm stuff and you're right I was doing micro stuff and you're right I was doing micro stuff and you're right I was doing micro controllers and batteries and solar and controllers and batteries and solar and controllers and batteries and solar and all that and then I was excited to see all that and then I was excited to see all that and then I was excited to see people doing indoor farming like those people doing indoor farming like those people doing indoor farming like those Hydroponic and stuff like that and I was Hydroponic and stuff like that and I was Hydroponic and stuff like that and I was like yes they've got electricity they've like yes they've got electricity they've like yes they've got electricity they've got Wi-Fi got Wi-Fi got Wi-Fi yes I don't have to kill myself putting yes I don't have to kill myself putting yes I don't have to kill myself putting solar panels above a canopy of apple solar panels above a canopy of apple solar panels above a canopy of apple trees to get enough juice to keep my trees to get enough juice to keep my trees to get enough juice to keep my microcontroller running energy microcontroller running energy microcontroller running energy harvesting yeah exactly exactly so that harvesting yeah exactly exactly so that harvesting yeah exactly exactly so that was exciting so you know um yeah wow

was exciting so you know um yeah wow was exciting so you know um yeah wow yeah and all of this really to to yeah and all of this really to to yeah and all of this really to to substantiate or support this theory that substantiate or support this theory that substantiate or support this theory that you're going to have these you know you're going to have these you know you're going to have these you know higher Fidelity um digital twins of higher Fidelity um digital twins of higher Fidelity um digital twins of large environments right right yeah large environments right right yeah large environments right right yeah because you know you know the I think because you know you know the I think because you know you know the I think the thesis back then it was actually was the thesis back then it was actually was the thesis back then it was actually was that hey it costs too much to you know that hey it costs too much to you know that hey it costs too much to you know run conduit and wire all these things run conduit and wire all these things run conduit and wire all these things together here let's just deploy these um together here let's just deploy these um together here let's just deploy these um long battery life um you know high long battery life um you know high long battery life um you know high endurance um sensors connected sensors endurance um sensors connected sensors endurance um sensors connected sensors out everywhere so that we can have a out everywhere so that we can have a out everywhere so that we can have a more High more High more High Fidelity view of our environments and Fidelity view of our environments and Fidelity view of our environments and and our assets and our assets and our assets right but you know that's what didn't right but you know that's what didn't right but you know that's what didn't work out I think in case your kids don't work out I think in case your kids don't work out I think in case your kids don't know what High Fidelity dude Wi-Fi that's per Channel remember dude Wi-Fi that's per Channel remember real people use two channel high-end real people use two channel high-end real people use two channel high-end audio gear here's my professional DJ audio gear here's my professional DJ audio gear here's my professional DJ Pioneer plx Pioneer plx Pioneer plx 1000 High Fidelity we're not talking 1000 High Fidelity we're not talking 1000 High Fidelity we're not talking about 7.1 multi-room deal where you end about 7.1 multi-room deal where you end about 7.1 multi-room deal where you end up having 10% harmonic Distortion that's up having 10% harmonic Distortion that's up having 10% harmonic Distortion that's not what we're talking about and that's not what we're talking about and that's not what we're talking about and that's not what Leonard's talking about with not what Leonard's talking about with not what Leonard's talking about with High Fidelity digital twins yeah there High Fidelity digital twins yeah there High Fidelity digital twins yeah there you go I just want to level set with you go I just want to level set with you go I just want to level set with everybody out there oh yeah additional everybody out there oh yeah additional everybody out there oh yeah additional data points right because you know I I data points right because you know I I data points right because you know I I recently saw this

recently saw this recently saw this article where article where article where apparently the folks in in Tokyo the apparently the folks in in Tokyo the apparently the folks in in Tokyo the city of Tokyo created a cloudpoint model city of Tokyo created a cloudpoint model city of Tokyo created a cloudpoint model of the entire city or at least a good of the entire city or at least a good of the entire city or at least a good part of the city and they call digital part of the city and they call digital part of the city and they call digital twin and it's like Lu with Tokyo wow no twin and it's like Lu with Tokyo wow no twin and it's like Lu with Tokyo wow no that's not a that's not a digital that's not a that's not a digital that's not a that's not a digital twin um and it's a digital twin if twin um and it's a digital twin if twin um and it's a digital twin if elements are constantly changing anded elements are constantly changing anded elements are constantly changing anded in your model then you have a freaking in your model then you have a freaking in your model then you have a freaking digital twin we talk about we talk about digital twin we talk about we talk about digital twin we talk about we talk about building digital twins of cities I just building digital twins of cities I just building digital twins of cities I just saw this post actually it's funny you saw this post actually it's funny you saw this post actually it's funny you say that you know where they go there's say that you know where they go there's say that you know where they go there's cities there's large cities there's cities there's large cities there's cities there's large cities there's metropolises and then there's metropolises and then there's metropolises and then there's [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] Tokyo okay so much bigger than anything Tokyo okay so much bigger than anything Tokyo okay so much bigger than anything else in the world and so when you think else in the world and so when you think else in the world and so when you think about I'm going to make a digital twin about I'm going to make a digital twin about I'm going to make a digital twin and twins of twins of Tokyo started with and twins of twins of Tokyo started with and twins of twins of Tokyo started with Tokyo good luck yeah yeah yeah good luck Tokyo good luck yeah yeah yeah good luck Tokyo good luck yeah yeah yeah good luck I'm gonna start with Dripping Springs I'm gonna start with Dripping Springs I'm gonna start with Dripping Springs Texas what I'm gonna start with Texas what I'm gonna start with Texas what I'm gonna start with up to Mount Fuji exactly exactly oh dude I love your Fuji exactly exactly oh dude I love your shirt man like that oh my God what what shirt man like that oh my God what what shirt man like that oh my God what what what you call it what is what you call it what is what you call it what is that that's that's that's Santa Claus that that's that's that's Santa Claus that that's that's that's Santa Claus man in my where I come from that's Santa man in my where I come from that's Santa man in my where I come from that's Santa Claus oh

Claus oh Claus oh yeah no it's a grilled up Santa Claus come on guys Claus come on guys oh yeah you're right he he's got a grill oh yeah you're right he he's got a grill oh yeah you're right he he's got a grill on on on right yeah yeah you know and he's got right yeah yeah you know and he's got right yeah yeah you know and he's got like his uh I love that yeah oh should like his uh I love that yeah oh should like his uh I love that yeah oh should have this morning what was that oh my have this morning what was that oh my have this morning what was that oh my god oh that's Santa Claus right there god oh that's Santa Claus right there god oh that's Santa Claus right there man that's what I'm saying yeah yeah man that's what I'm saying yeah yeah man that's what I'm saying yeah yeah yeah Santa Claus kind of Santa Claus yeah Santa Claus kind of Santa Claus yeah Santa Claus kind of Santa Claus that was coming to my hood No I hear you that was coming to my hood No I hear you that was coming to my hood No I hear you I hear you I hear you how's it going I hear you I hear you how's it going I hear you I hear you how's it going Debbie Debbie Debbie hey Debbie Merry Christmas or happy New hey Debbie Merry Christmas or happy New hey Debbie Merry Christmas or happy New Year it's Hanukkah now so happy Hanukkah everyone yeah everyone yeah yeah can anyone had AI conversation yeah can anyone had AI conversation yeah can anyone had AI conversation conversation about AI in the Christmas conversation about AI in the Christmas conversation about AI in the Christmas dinner with the family or yes dinner with the family or yes dinner with the family or yes unfortunately my mom keeps bugging me unfortunately my mom keeps bugging me unfortunately my mom keeps bugging me about AI uh companies and stuff like about AI uh companies and stuff like about AI uh companies and stuff like that she tells me I know nothing she that she tells me I know nothing she that she tells me I know nothing she goes goes goes she's asking for investment advice on she's asking for investment advice on she's asking for investment advice on what yeah I said don't listen to me what yeah I said don't listen to me what yeah I said don't listen to me because you won't make any money uh so because you won't make any money uh so because you won't make any money uh so if you do the opposite of what I tell if you do the opposite of what I tell if you do the opposite of what I tell you you'll probably make a lot of money you you'll probably make a lot of money you you'll probably make a lot of money because I can't predict nonsense and how because I can't predict nonsense and how because I can't predict nonsense and how like hyped you know ridiculous this goes

like hyped you know ridiculous this goes like hyped you know ridiculous this goes there's no way of predicting that stuff there's no way of predicting that stuff there's no way of predicting that stuff you can create it you can create those you can create it you can create those you can create it you can create those narratives whether catch and scale out narratives whether catch and scale out narratives whether catch and scale out magnificently but there's a there are magnificently but there's a there are magnificently but there's a there are all these now posts actually articles all these now posts actually articles all these now posts actually articles now coming out about how um you know now coming out about how um you know now coming out about how um you know none of the no one's making money off of none of the no one's making money off of none of the no one's making money off of this stuff including Microsoft you know this stuff including Microsoft you know this stuff including Microsoft you know and you know it's hilarious did you see and you know it's hilarious did you see and you know it's hilarious did you see that clip he was interviewed by somebody that clip he was interviewed by somebody that clip he was interviewed by somebody and he literally says who's making money and he literally says who's making money and he literally says who's making money who has U more than five or I think it's who has U more than five or I think it's who has U more than five or I think it's like measly five million daily users like measly five million daily users like measly five million daily users whatever the hell that means and there's whatever the hell that means and there's whatever the hell that means and there's almost none you know billions of dollars to build the know billions of dollars to build the infrastructure to support this stuff for infrastructure to support this stuff for infrastructure to support this stuff for a handful of people who are making cool a handful of people who are making cool a handful of people who are making cool pictures um you know it just reminds me pictures um you know it just reminds me pictures um you know it just reminds me of metaverse when he got up on stage two of metaverse when he got up on stage two of metaverse when he got up on stage two year it was just two and a half years year it was just two and a half years year it was just two and a half years ago he got got up on stage and says that ago he got got up on stage and says that ago he got got up on stage and says that you know we're a metaverse Microsoft is you know we're a metaverse Microsoft is you know we're a metaverse Microsoft is now a metaverse company now a metaverse company now a metaverse company I was like okay remember that whole I was like okay remember that whole I was like okay remember that whole industrial industrial industrial metaverse that they were talking about metaverse that they were talking about metaverse that they were talking about yeah get everybody drinking the Kool-Aid yeah get everybody drinking the Kool-Aid yeah get everybody drinking the Kool-Aid so we've all talked at nauseum about AI so we've all talked at nauseum about AI so we've all talked at nauseum about AI generative Ai and where it's going where generative Ai and where it's going where generative Ai and where it's going where it's not going investing in it what's it's not going investing in it what's it's not going investing in it what's here's the thing I had a problem and I here's the thing I had a problem and I here's the thing I had a problem and I had to post something about it I'll had to post something about it I'll had to post something about it I'll probably get in

probably get in probably get in trouble I keep seeing people people I trouble I keep seeing people people I trouble I keep seeing people people I know making predictions know making predictions know making predictions around revenues from Quantum Computing around revenues from Quantum Computing around revenues from Quantum Computing oh my God projections on Quantum oh my God projections on Quantum oh my God projections on Quantum Computing and I'll get in trouble Computing and I'll get in trouble Computing and I'll get in trouble because I might be close to some of because I might be close to some of because I might be close to some of these people who are making all these these people who are making all these these people who are making all these multi-billion dollar oh it's going to be multi-billion dollar oh it's going to be multi-billion dollar oh it's going to be an 8 billion or it's going to be a an 8 billion or it's going to be a an 8 billion or it's going to be a whatever of quantum I was like just as a whatever of quantum I was like just as a whatever of quantum I was like just as a reminder kids it's still an R&D thing reminder kids it's still an R&D thing reminder kids it's still an R&D thing it's still it's not even in the half of it's still it's not even in the half of it's still it's not even in the half of the first inning of the baseball game the first inning of the baseball game the first inning of the baseball game they're not even on the on Deck Circle they're not even on the on Deck Circle they're not even on the on Deck Circle yet yeah I think they're up everybody yet yeah I think they're up everybody yet yeah I think they're up everybody got excited because Google came out with got excited because Google came out with got excited because Google came out with this Willow thing if it's 100 cubits or this Willow thing if it's 100 cubits or this Willow thing if it's 100 cubits or whatever we need to be tens of millions whatever we need to be tens of millions whatever we need to be tens of millions of these cubits to make anything real of these cubits to make anything real of these cubits to make anything real happen and so whenever I see and I've happen and so whenever I see and I've happen and so whenever I see and I've seen real companies put in their in seen real companies put in their in seen real companies put in their in their their their forecasts of all this money they're forecasts of all this money they're forecasts of all this money they're going to be making off of quantum in the going to be making off of quantum in the going to be making off of quantum in the next few years I'm like you're going to next few years I'm like you're going to next few years I'm like you're going to make zero off of Quantum in the next make zero off of Quantum in the next make zero off of Quantum in the next going make negative money negative money going make negative money negative money going make negative money negative money if you're lucky and I'm and so I I just if you're lucky and I'm and so I I just if you're lucky and I'm and so I I just kind of threw it out there I was like kind of threw it out there I was like kind of threw it out there I was like you know we're not going to see any you know we're not going to see any you know we're not going to see any widespread commercialization of quantum widespread commercialization of quantum widespread commercialization of quantum until the until the until the 2040s and that's being really optimistic 2040s and that's being really optimistic 2040s and that's being really optimistic but a lot of people are like oh you're but a lot of people are like oh you're but a lot of people are like oh you're crazy we're almost there I'm like no crazy we're almost there I'm like no crazy we're almost there I'm like no you're not almost anywhere you're just you're not almost anywhere you're just you're not almost anywhere you're just not you're not even close you've got one

not you're not even close you've got one not you're not even close you've got one tiny Edge case that you can say look at tiny Edge case that you can say look at tiny Edge case that you can say look at this it would have taken a trillion this it would have taken a trillion this it would have taken a trillion years to solve this tiny problem but now years to solve this tiny problem but now years to solve this tiny problem but now we've solved it with Quantum and it's a we've solved it with Quantum and it's a we've solved it with Quantum and it's a press release and they even say this is press release and they even say this is press release and they even say this is research but people ignore that it's research but people ignore that it's research but people ignore that it's like oh my God people what is wrong with like oh my God people what is wrong with like oh my God people what is wrong with you of course you know Rick bada trolls you of course you know Rick bada trolls you of course you know Rick bada trolls LinkedIn to tell you how you're wrong LinkedIn to tell you how you're wrong LinkedIn to tell you how you're wrong about things that's what Rick does and about things that's what Rick does and about things that's what Rick does and so it's like it's not going to happen in so it's like it's not going to happen in so it's like it's not going to happen in our lifetime if ever you know and other our lifetime if ever you know and other our lifetime if ever you know and other people like yeah you're wildly people like yeah you're wildly people like yeah you're wildly optimistic you know other people like oh optimistic you know other people like oh optimistic you know other people like oh we're we're almost there other people we're we're almost there other people we're we're almost there other people like maybe in another hundred years I've like maybe in another hundred years I've like maybe in another hundred years I've heard people saying maybe we need to heard people saying maybe we need to heard people saying maybe we need to start over maybe we're going about this start over maybe we're going about this start over maybe we're going about this High new Quantum Leap and Computing the High new Quantum Leap and Computing the High new Quantum Leap and Computing the wrong way yeah maybe we need to I think wrong way yeah maybe we need to I think wrong way yeah maybe we need to I think that we are um I want to be the kid in that we are um I want to be the kid in that we are um I want to be the kid in the back of the car going are we there the back of the car going are we there the back of the car going are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet yet are we there yet are we there yet yet are we there yet are we there yet exactly that's me all right I mean exactly that's me all right I mean exactly that's me all right I mean because it I this whole conversation because it I this whole conversation because it I this whole conversation about Quan first off nobody can really about Quan first off nobody can really about Quan first off nobody can really Define it for me Define it for me Define it for me yet Define quantum networking okay great yet Define quantum networking okay great yet Define quantum networking okay great what does that what does that what does that mean mean mean what what do you do with what what do you do with what what do you do with it it's just like the two with a string it it's just like the two with a string it it's just like the two with a string yeah except we're gonna entangle them yeah except we're gonna entangle them yeah except we're gonna entangle them yeah yeah no you know like in Star Trek yeah yeah no you know like in Star Trek yeah yeah no you know like in Star Trek remember in Star Trek how you know

remember in Star Trek how you know remember in Star Trek how you know they'd be out like you know hundreds of they'd be out like you know hundreds of they'd be out like you know hundreds of light years away from Earth but they light years away from Earth but they light years away from Earth but they have a real-time have a real-time have a real-time conversation with start fleeing command conversation with start fleeing command conversation with start fleeing command that's what that's what Quantum that's what that's what Quantum that's what that's what Quantum networking and communication networking and communication networking and communication communication be like right hilarious the hell are we gonna do right hilarious the hell are we gonna do with damn Quantum networking no with damn Quantum networking no with damn Quantum networking no but trading Financial trading anyone who but trading Financial trading anyone who but trading Financial trading anyone who can get there and uh you know and get to can get there and uh you know and get to can get there and uh you know and get to the trade virtual trade desk the trade virtual trade desk the trade virtual trade desk in in absolute real time meaning like so in in absolute real time meaning like so in in absolute real time meaning like so what you're saying Nan is is the street what you're saying Nan is is the street what you're saying Nan is is the street guys want this oh yeah you can do high guys want this oh yeah you can do high guys want this oh yeah you can do high frequency trading through quantum frequency trading through quantum frequency trading through quantum entanglement to beat retail traders to entanglement to beat retail traders to entanglement to beat retail traders to the deal yeah I no the deal yeah I no the deal yeah I no it's yeah very very Niche it's yeah very very Niche it's yeah very very Niche selfish narrow things that are not going selfish narrow things that are not going selfish narrow things that are not going to save the world you know Financial to save the world you know Financial to save the world you know Financial trading doesn't create economic value is trading doesn't create economic value is trading doesn't create economic value is just Market making right that's all it just Market making right that's all it just Market making right that's all it is it it doesn't create economic value is it it doesn't create economic value is it it doesn't create economic value all of this sounds like like movies and all of this sounds like like movies and all of this sounds like like movies and shows we've seen before I mean I you shows we've seen before I mean I you shows we've seen before I mean I you said the trading thing and the first said the trading thing and the first said the trading thing and the first thing that came to my head is looking thing that came to my head is looking thing that came to my head is looking good Louis feeling good Louis feeling good Louis feeling good exactly trading like like would be good exactly trading like like would be good exactly trading like like would be in a bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich in a bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich in a bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich yeah oh I get you guys thre a couple of

yeah oh I get you guys thre a couple of yeah oh I get you guys thre a couple of bookies I think he gets bookies I think he gets bookies I think he gets it I mean that and and I think I think it I mean that and and I think I think it I mean that and and I think I think Leonard you you commented on one post Leonard you you commented on one post Leonard you you commented on one post and I was like listening to it and I was and I was like listening to it and I was and I was like listening to it and I was like this strangely sounds like an like this strangely sounds like an like this strangely sounds like an episode of Twilight Zone imagine if you episode of Twilight Zone imagine if you episode of Twilight Zone imagine if you will yeah I mean because that's really will yeah I mean because that's really will yeah I mean because that's really what it all is I'm just like you know what it all is I'm just like you know what it all is I'm just like you know what I I struggle a lot with with you what I I struggle a lot with with you what I I struggle a lot with with you know man I should go ahead and post this know man I should go ahead and post this know man I should go ahead and post this I've written uh uh you know hundreds of I've written uh uh you know hundreds of I've written uh uh you know hundreds of posts that I'm like ah I just let it go posts that I'm like ah I just let it go posts that I'm like ah I just let it go I'm like I want to do real [ __ ] you know I'm like I want to do real [ __ ] you know I'm like I want to do real [ __ ] you know I mean I really want to go and and do I mean I really want to go and and do I mean I really want to go and and do real stuff and the some of the stuff real stuff and the some of the stuff real stuff and the some of the stuff that we're doing is pretty damn cool and that we're doing is pretty damn cool and that we're doing is pretty damn cool and I'm just not saying about I'm just not saying about I'm just not saying about yet it it it circles all the way back to yet it it it circles all the way back to yet it it it circles all the way back to you know the digital twin thing everyone you know the digital twin thing everyone you know the digital twin thing everyone has one now let me show show me yours has one now let me show show me yours has one now let me show show me yours I'll show you mine let let I'll show you mine let let I'll show you mine let let me everyone has a damn digital twin now me everyone has a damn digital twin now me everyone has a damn digital twin now and I'm like okay but there's a and I'm like okay but there's a and I'm like okay but there's a difference right and we've said this all difference right and we've said this all difference right and we've said this all along there is the pretty 3D modeled one along there is the pretty 3D modeled one along there is the pretty 3D modeled one then there's the operational digital then there's the operational digital then there's the operational digital twin the operational digital twin is twin the operational digital twin is twin the operational digital twin is entirely different because to your point entirely different because to your point entirely different because to your point Leonard it does change with the Leonard it does change with the Leonard it does change with the environment because data is moving all environment because data is moving all environment because data is moving all over the place people are moving things over the place people are moving things over the place people are moving things are moving right yeah and you have to are moving right yeah and you have to are moving right yeah and you have to have this construct if you and I mean have this construct if you and I mean have this construct if you and I mean you start thinking about oh we're going you start thinking about oh we're going you start thinking about oh we're going to do a digital twin of the city do you

to do a digital twin of the city do you to do a digital twin of the city do you understand the magnitude of data that understand the magnitude of data that understand the magnitude of data that you are talking you are talking you are talking about lots of data lots of data and how about lots of data lots of data and how about lots of data lots of data and how fast you need to show it and then yeah I fast you need to show it and then yeah I fast you need to show it and then yeah I mean think about it like a point Cloud mean think about it like a point Cloud mean think about it like a point Cloud what's the use of that I mean what what's the use of that I mean what what's the use of that I mean what you're you guys have been talking about you're you guys have been talking about you're you guys have been talking about actually rob you talk about a lot too is actually rob you talk about a lot too is actually rob you talk about a lot too is the Opera like what you're referring to the Opera like what you're referring to the Opera like what you're referring to uh bill is operational one because those uh bill is operational one because those uh bill is operational one because those are like the data points that are are like the data points that are are like the data points that are essential in supporting some sort of essential in supporting some sort of essential in supporting some sort of intelligence or an analysis or um you intelligence or an analysis or um you intelligence or an analysis or um you know something that has business value know something that has business value know something that has business value right having like pites of cloudpoint right having like pites of cloudpoint right having like pites of cloudpoint data on where you know on a building data on where you know on a building data on where you know on a building that's static probably isn't going to that's static probably isn't going to that's static probably isn't going to change for a while is kind of silly change for a while is kind of silly change for a while is kind of silly right and then what are you going to right and then what are you going to right and then what are you going to have like Point clouds of a snapshot of have like Point clouds of a snapshot of have like Point clouds of a snapshot of how a tree and its leaves are positioned how a tree and its leaves are positioned how a tree and its leaves are positioned for what value you know and so this is for what value you know and so this is for what value you know and so this is like a lot of the it's a lot of this like a lot of the it's a lot of this like a lot of the it's a lot of this like Sensational nonsensical poorly like Sensational nonsensical poorly like Sensational nonsensical poorly thought out stuff that we constantly see thought out stuff that we constantly see thought out stuff that we constantly see um you know being pedal by people who um you know being pedal by people who um you know being pedal by people who really don't understand um technology really don't understand um technology really don't understand um technology and number two the actual valuable and number two the actual valuable and number two the actual valuable application and implementation of application and implementation of application and implementation of Technology What It Takes and that Technology What It Takes and that Technology What It Takes and that requires what all of us on iot Coffee requires what all of us on iot Coffee requires what all of us on iot Coffee Talk have is like we've been in the Talk have is like we've been in the Talk have is like we've been in the trenches we've done this [ __ ] before trenches we've done this [ __ ] before trenches we've done this [ __ ] before we're not talking out of our

we're not talking out of our we're not talking out of our butt you know you want to throw us in butt you know you want to throw us in butt you know you want to throw us in the trenches and help you know uh the trenches and help you know uh the trenches and help you know uh Implement a solution we can do it that's Implement a solution we can do it that's Implement a solution we can do it that's why we're on here and we're talking and why we're on here and we're talking and why we're on here and we're talking and we're trying to share and then push our we're trying to share and then push our we're trying to share and then push our our iot buddies in a better Direction our iot buddies in a better Direction our iot buddies in a better Direction that's what we we're recognized for that that's what we we're recognized for that that's what we we're recognized for that right but you know the what we're really right but you know the what we're really right but you know the what we're really fighting especially going to 2025 is fighting especially going to 2025 is fighting especially going to 2025 is like this a bunch of nonsense it's like like this a bunch of nonsense it's like like this a bunch of nonsense it's like think about all those bozos that were think about all those bozos that were think about all those bozos that were like selling classes for prompt like selling classes for prompt like selling classes for prompt engineering a year and a half ago you engineering a year and a half ago you engineering a year and a half ago you know all the companies that probably know all the companies that probably know all the companies that probably wasted their money with some guy uh wasted their money with some guy uh wasted their money with some guy uh going hey you know I can you can become going hey you know I can you can become going hey you know I can you can become a prompt engineer a prompt engineer a prompt engineer and did you see the meme the funny and did you see the meme the funny and did you see the meme the funny cartoon floating around the internet cartoon floating around the internet cartoon floating around the internet where uh the daughter brings her new where uh the daughter brings her new where uh the daughter brings her new boyfriend to the house to meet Dad and boyfriend to the house to meet Dad and boyfriend to the house to meet Dad and and and and she's like Dad it's my new and and and she's like Dad it's my new and and and she's like Dad it's my new boy he's an AI engineer and Dad's like boy he's an AI engineer and Dad's like boy he's an AI engineer and Dad's like oh cool and the guy goes I'm a prompt oh cool and the guy goes I'm a prompt oh cool and the guy goes I'm a prompt engineer and the dad's like get the [ __ ] engineer and the dad's like get the [ __ ] engineer and the dad's like get the [ __ ] out of my house well you house well you know okay so when leard and I jumped on know okay so when leard and I jumped on know okay so when leard and I jumped on this morning we were talking about how this morning we were talking about how this morning we were talking about how we're going to kind of recap things that we're going to kind of recap things that we're going to kind of recap things that we did in 2024 because I was literally we did in 2024 because I was literally we did in 2024 because I was literally just finishing a post on what did I do just finishing a post on what did I do just finishing a post on what did I do this year and it actually kind of ties this year and it actually kind of ties this year and it actually kind of ties into stuff Bill's talking about cuz it's into stuff Bill's talking about cuz it's into stuff Bill's talking about cuz it's around cities and digital twins so I'm around cities and digital twins so I'm around cities and digital twins so I'm going to tell you some of the stuff I

going to tell you some of the stuff I going to tell you some of the stuff I did in did in did in 2024 first half of the year I was still 2024 first half of the year I was still 2024 first half of the year I was still helping out this startup that's focused helping out this startup that's focused helping out this startup that's focused on Smart buildings and cities and stuff on Smart buildings and cities and stuff on Smart buildings and cities and stuff like that and like that and like that and so in the first half of 2024 I mashed so in the first half of 2024 I mashed so in the first half of 2024 I mashed together iot and digital Twins and Ai together iot and digital Twins and Ai together iot and digital Twins and Ai and I built a smart building platform and I built a smart building platform and I built a smart building platform that allows owners and managers of that allows owners and managers of that allows owners and managers of buildings corporate campuses skyscrapers buildings corporate campuses skyscrapers buildings corporate campuses skyscrapers to bring these properties to life to bring these properties to life to bring these properties to life digitally and so I did digital twins of digitally and so I did digital twins of digitally and so I did digital twins of the Properties corporate campus one or the Properties corporate campus one or the Properties corporate campus one or more buildings one or more floors spaces more buildings one or more floors spaces more buildings one or more floors spaces like rooms within the floors and like rooms within the floors and like rooms within the floors and everything like that so model that as everything like that so model that as everything like that so model that as digital Twins and then the iot stuff you digital Twins and then the iot stuff you digital Twins and then the iot stuff you know within each of those spaces you're know within each of those spaces you're know within each of those spaces you're monitoring lighting HVAC how many people monitoring lighting HVAC how many people monitoring lighting HVAC how many people are in there uh CO2 voltage how much are in there uh CO2 voltage how much are in there uh CO2 voltage how much electricity is being used in this part electricity is being used in this part electricity is being used in this part of the building that kind of stuff um of the building that kind of stuff um of the building that kind of stuff um and then for the and other environmental and then for the and other environmental and then for the and other environmental stuff and then for outputs I did simple stuff and then for outputs I did simple stuff and then for outputs I did simple descriptive stuff like here some descriptive stuff like here some descriptive stuff like here some dashboards about what's going on um I dashboards about what's going on um I dashboards about what's going on um I use kpi analytics you know red yellow use kpi analytics you know red yellow use kpi analytics you know red yellow green if it's over here kind of green if it's over here kind of green if it's over here kind of threshold stuff and then I did machine threshold stuff and then I did machine threshold stuff and then I did machine learning to predict system failures and learning to predict system failures and learning to predict system failures and to go a little deeper there what I found to go a little deeper there what I found to go a little deeper there what I found useful was I learned about um about over useful was I learned about um about over useful was I learned about um about over a year ago something called ml.net since a year ago something called ml.net since a year ago something called ml.net since I'm this weird net Microsoft guy and I'm this weird net Microsoft guy and I'm this weird net Microsoft guy and building stuff in C there's this ml.net building stuff in C there's this ml.net building stuff in C there's this ml.net thing that has this cool autom ml where

thing that has this cool autom ml where thing that has this cool autom ml where it's like you take a data set let's say it's like you take a data set let's say it's like you take a data set let's say it's data coming from an HV machine and it's data coming from an HV machine and it's data coming from an HV machine and I want to know if the air if it's going I want to know if the air if it's going I want to know if the air if it's going to fail right and it uses this stuff to fail right and it uses this stuff to fail right and it uses this stuff called automl and an inter and so you called automl and an inter and so you called automl and an inter and so you pull back the data set it goes through pull back the data set it goes through pull back the data set it goes through you're you're about to do training and you're you're about to do training and you're you're about to do training and it looks at all these different it looks at all these different it looks at all these different algorithms ml algorithms and figures out algorithms ml algorithms and figures out algorithms ml algorithms and figures out the best one or as they say the best the best one or as they say the best the best one or as they say the best with the highest r yeah and it plugs with the highest r yeah and it plugs with the highest r yeah and it plugs that in and then it creates it it trains that in and then it creates it it trains that in and then it creates it it trains the model uh and then it creates code the model uh and then it creates code the model uh and then it creates code scaffolding for you so that it could be scaffolding for you so that it could be scaffolding for you so that it could be a rest service or some other code that a rest service or some other code that a rest service or some other code that then you do inferencing against to do then you do inferencing against to do then you do inferencing against to do predictions this was great Revelation predictions this was great Revelation predictions this was great Revelation for me because I'm not a PhD data for me because I'm not a PhD data for me because I'm not a PhD data scientist and so you know while scientist and so you know while scientist and so you know while everybody's geeking out about generative everybody's geeking out about generative everybody's geeking out about generative Ai and they just call it Ai and they just call it Ai and they just call it AI I found this autom ml which I'm AI I found this autom ml which I'm AI I found this autom ml which I'm starting to see other companies using it starting to see other companies using it starting to see other companies using it as a game Cher for people who need to do as a game Cher for people who need to do as a game Cher for people who need to do narrow narrow narrow AI uh I see AI artificial narrow AI uh I see AI artificial narrow AI uh I see AI artificial narrow intelligence Annie whatever you know intelligence Annie whatever you know intelligence Annie whatever you know that stuff actually works that's real that stuff actually works that's real that stuff actually works that's real you know what I mean for predictive you know what I mean for predictive you know what I mean for predictive stuff so I built that so I I built it on stuff so I built that so I I built it on stuff so I built that so I I built it on Asher and I use app Services I use SQL Asher and I use app Services I use SQL Asher and I use app Services I use SQL aser which is SQL Server I use net core aser which is SQL Server I use net core aser which is SQL Server I use net core c um for the backend logic you know I c um for the backend logic you know I c um for the backend logic you know I use the automl um I was able to somehow use the automl um I was able to somehow use the automl um I was able to somehow magically

magically magically model digital model digital model digital twins parent child relationships and twins parent child relationships and twins parent child relationships and peer relationships in a relational peer relationships in a relational peer relationships in a relational database I know that sounds insane to database I know that sounds insane to database I know that sounds insane to all you newcomer or digital twin people all you newcomer or digital twin people all you newcomer or digital twin people who think you have to have a graph who think you have to have a graph who think you have to have a graph database you can make it work in your database you can make it work in your database you can make it work in your ugly relational database kids um and so ugly relational database kids um and so ugly relational database kids um and so that was a lot of fun and so I built that was a lot of fun and so I built that was a lot of fun and so I built that and I had this code we talked about that and I had this code we talked about that and I had this code we talked about before I had this code laying around before I had this code laying around before I had this code laying around here so if anybody wants a digital twin here so if anybody wants a digital twin here so if anybody wants a digital twin for buildings and properties I just got for buildings and properties I just got for buildings and properties I just got something laying around it's probably something laying around it's probably something laying around it's probably only worth like $100 million but I might only worth like $100 million but I might only worth like $100 million but I might let you know um the other thing I did to let you know um the other thing I did to let you know um the other thing I did to get more hardware and infrastructure was get more hardware and infrastructure was get more hardware and infrastructure was and we talked about this last early in and we talked about this last early in and we talked about this last early in the year when we started the year when we started the year when we started witnessing obviously there's this AI witnessing obviously there's this AI witnessing obviously there's this AI generative AI craze going on right and generative AI craze going on right and generative AI craze going on right and everybody's building all this everybody's building all this everybody's building all this infrastructure and then I started infrastructure and then I started infrastructure and then I started hearing aside from the hyperscale clouds hearing aside from the hyperscale clouds hearing aside from the hyperscale clouds all kinds of data center companies all kinds of data center companies all kinds of data center companies they're building data centers as fast as they're building data centers as fast as they're building data centers as fast as they can right now they're building them they can right now they're building them they can right now they're building them like crazy and they're packing them full like crazy and they're packing them full like crazy and they're packing them full of servers to train models and stuff of servers to train models and stuff of servers to train models and stuff like that and so I was still living in like that and so I was still living in like that and so I was still living in that world of that smart building and that world of that smart building and that world of that smart building and remember I was saying well maybe I could remember I was saying well maybe I could remember I was saying well maybe I could build microc clouds inside the Telecom build microc clouds inside the Telecom build microc clouds inside the Telecom closets of these closets of these closets of these buildings and you know people at like buildings and you know people at like buildings and you know people at like vapor iio and Austin they' use giant vapor iio and Austin they' use giant vapor iio and Austin they' use giant shipping containers and they were shipping containers and they were shipping containers and they were packing those full of server so it was packing those full of server so it was packing those full of server so it was kind of this other notion of or it could kind of this other notion of or it could kind of this other notion of or it could be a half rack of servers this idea of a

be a half rack of servers this idea of a be a half rack of servers this idea of a microc cloud and so I started using uh microc cloud and so I started using uh microc cloud and so I started using uh you know canonical which is the company you know canonical which is the company you know canonical which is the company that makes Ubuntu Linux they also came that makes Ubuntu Linux they also came that makes Ubuntu Linux they also came out with something literally called out with something literally called out with something literally called microc Cloud think of it as like a microc Cloud think of it as like a microc Cloud think of it as like a miniature version of open stack or open miniature version of open stack or open miniature version of open stack or open shift oh wow so using three Intel shift oh wow so using three Intel shift oh wow so using three Intel Nooks I got that working and so to Nooks I got that working and so to Nooks I got that working and so to Cluster it made it easy to Cluster these Cluster it made it easy to Cluster these Cluster it made it easy to Cluster these three Nooks cluster storage pools three Nooks cluster storage pools three Nooks cluster storage pools because if you're going to do that your because if you're going to do that your because if you're going to do that your own cloud it needs to be dynamic right I own cloud it needs to be dynamic right I own cloud it needs to be dynamic right I need to have pools of storage RAM and I need to have pools of storage RAM and I need to have pools of storage RAM and I didn't do containers yet but I'd use KVM didn't do containers yet but I'd use KVM didn't do containers yet but I'd use KVM for virtual machines in there and I for virtual machines in there and I for virtual machines in there and I could dynamically scale those kind of could dynamically scale those kind of could dynamically scale those kind of things and so I had fun investigating things and so I had fun investigating things and so I had fun investigating and prototyping that kind of stuff to and prototyping that kind of stuff to and prototyping that kind of stuff to build little micro clouds in strange build little micro clouds in strange build little micro clouds in strange non-traditional non-traditional non-traditional locations um people want to train models locations um people want to train models locations um people want to train models wherever they can right people are dying wherever they can right people are dying wherever they can right people are dying for compute and so and then the other for compute and so and then the other for compute and so and then the other cool thing is I remember some of the cool thing is I remember some of the cool thing is I remember some of the stuff I got to build design aspects of stuff I got to build design aspects of stuff I got to build design aspects of azure while I was at Microsoft and so I azure while I was at Microsoft and so I azure while I was at Microsoft and so I remember designing this idea of you know remember designing this idea of you know remember designing this idea of you know there's this notion of public Cloud there's this notion of public Cloud there's this notion of public Cloud called availability zones right I'm called availability zones right I'm called availability zones right I'm going to replicate three copies of data going to replicate three copies of data going to replicate three copies of data to other parts of the data center and to other parts of the data center and to other parts of the data center and all that so I remember designing that all that so I remember designing that all that so I remember designing that for if I'm in a skyscraper there's for if I'm in a skyscraper there's for if I'm in a skyscraper there's different Telecom closets going up each different Telecom closets going up each different Telecom closets going up each floor of the building and so I would floor of the building and so I would floor of the building and so I would replicate data to those and those would replicate data to those and those would replicate data to those and those would be availability zones yeah yeah it's

be availability zones yeah yeah it's be availability zones yeah yeah it's crazy so that was kind of fun um so crazy so that was kind of fun um so crazy so that was kind of fun um so those are kind of the two big things those are kind of the two big things those are kind of the two big things where I built stuff obviously I've been where I built stuff obviously I've been where I built stuff obviously I've been at IDC writing aot and then I joined at IDC writing aot and then I joined at IDC writing aot and then I joined IDC and then I joined IDC and I just now IDC and then I joined IDC and I just now IDC and then I joined IDC and I just now I'm writing stuff yeah talking I'm writing stuff yeah talking I'm writing stuff yeah talking right so there you have like you do on right so there you have like you do on right so there you have like you do on iot that that's one hell of a year man iot that that's one hell of a year man iot that that's one hell of a year man if you really think about it I had so if you really think about it I had so if you really think about it I had so much fun building the digital twin much fun building the digital twin much fun building the digital twin building thing it was a blast it's so building thing it was a blast it's so building thing it was a blast it's so much fun to write software it's a blast much fun to write software it's a blast much fun to write software it's a blast I'll tell you though the the building I'll tell you though the the building I'll tell you though the the building digital twin thing is really starting to digital twin thing is really starting to digital twin thing is really starting to to take off in a in a real way I don't I to take off in a in a real way I don't I to take off in a in a real way I don't I don't again I'm not talking about the 3D don't again I'm not talking about the 3D don't again I'm not talking about the 3D pretty models and everything like that pretty models and everything like that pretty models and everything like that because again when you start talking because again when you start talking because again when you start talking about things moving around or things about things moving around or things about things moving around or things shifting because they they do uh Outlets shifting because they they do uh Outlets shifting because they they do uh Outlets move I mean things move and if you are move I mean things move and if you are move I mean things move and if you are if you are saying that that's it you if you are saying that that's it you if you are saying that that's it you don't want to have to take that damn don't want to have to take that damn don't want to have to take that damn model down reconstruct everything and model down reconstruct everything and model down reconstruct everything and then put it back up um one of the cool then put it back up um one of the cool then put it back up um one of the cool things that we did which was um first things that we did which was um first things that we did which was um first off in February we kicked off True North off in February we kicked off True North off in February we kicked off True North software software software Solutions all Solutions all Solutions all right two big things there we took no VC right two big things there we took no VC right two big things there we took no VC money and we're employee owned right money and we're employee owned right money and we're employee owned right that's a huge lesson for everybody right that's a huge lesson for everybody right that's a huge lesson for everybody right there dude okay we we worked with uh we there dude okay we we worked with uh we there dude okay we we worked with uh we worked with an worked with an worked with an organization uh called

organization uh called organization uh called Simson um and they report to the Simson um and they report to the Simson um and they report to the organization for the prohibition of organization for the prohibition of organization for the prohibition of chemical warfare or chemical weapons um chemical warfare or chemical weapons um chemical warfare or chemical weapons um and we built a a solution for them to and we built a a solution for them to and we built a a solution for them to track and Trace chemicals as they come track and Trace chemicals as they come track and Trace chemicals as they come into into into Canada uh and we use distributed Ledger Canada uh and we use distributed Ledger Canada uh and we use distributed Ledger technology to do that we didn't build it technology to do that we didn't build it technology to do that we didn't build it on ethereum or any of those or anything on ethereum or any of those or anything on ethereum or any of those or anything like that it is a private chain with our like that it is a private chain with our like that it is a private chain with our partners yeah there you go there you go partners yeah there you go there you go partners yeah there you go there you go right so we took the tech and we said right so we took the tech and we said right so we took the tech and we said well wait a minute we can solve this well wait a minute we can solve this well wait a minute we can solve this problem with it and we went and we did problem with it and we went and we did problem with it and we went and we did that and now they're talking about that and now they're talking about that and now they're talking about getting all of these other National getting all of these other National getting all of these other National authorities there's going to be a big authorities there's going to be a big authorities there's going to be a big deal that that's happening all right so deal that that's happening all right so deal that that's happening all right so we did that bootstrapped the other thing we did that bootstrapped the other thing we did that bootstrapped the other thing that we did is because when building that we did is because when building that we did is because when building digital TRS people people think that you digital TRS people people think that you digital TRS people people think that you go into a city or you go into an go into a city or you go into an go into a city or you go into an organization you go we do digital Twins organization you go we do digital Twins organization you go we do digital Twins and they're going to go great the best and they're going to go great the best and they're going to go great the best thing I'm GNA give this one for free all thing I'm GNA give this one for free all thing I'm GNA give this one for free all you people out there all you companies you people out there all you companies you people out there all you companies out there that are building digital out there that are building digital out there that are building digital twins the best thing that you can do is twins the best thing that you can do is twins the best thing that you can do is to show someone their to show someone their to show someone their data now how you get it that's your data now how you get it that's your data now how you get it that's your problem um problem um problem um right we go in and we wanted to show right we go in and we wanted to show right we go in and we wanted to show that it's Innovation you know the the that it's Innovation you know the the that it's Innovation you know the the question what is inovation in Innovation question what is inovation in Innovation question what is inovation in Innovation is not the invention of something it is is not the invention of something it is is not the invention of something it is that is there and turning into a a that is there and turning into a a that is there and turning into a a solved problem you are solving a problem

solved problem you are solving a problem solved problem you are solving a problem end to end remember I told you before end to end remember I told you before end to end remember I told you before earlier in the year we live in the gap earlier in the year we live in the gap earlier in the year we live in the gap of the ugly there I mean the only thing of the ugly there I mean the only thing of the ugly there I mean the only thing that's pretty about what we do are the that's pretty about what we do are the that's pretty about what we do are the people people people now what we did is we said well wait a now what we did is we said well wait a now what we did is we said well wait a minute there's this thing called Vision minute there's this thing called Vision minute there's this thing called Vision zero and and vision zero is detecting zero and and vision zero is detecting zero and and vision zero is detecting fatalities or accidents at any given fatalities or accidents at any given fatalities or accidents at any given intersection you want to reduce the intersection you want to reduce the intersection you want to reduce the fatalities so there's a lot of people fatalities so there's a lot of people fatalities so there's a lot of people out there that are doing lot you know out there that are doing lot you know out there that are doing lot you know pieces of this and everything like that pieces of this and everything like that pieces of this and everything like that but what's the one piece that's missing but what's the one piece that's missing but what's the one piece that's missing is a piece of workflow automation so is a piece of workflow automation so is a piece of workflow automation so what do we do we build a digital twin we what do we do we build a digital twin we what do we do we build a digital twin we monitor the traffic and we access the monitor the traffic and we access the monitor the traffic and we access the cameras at the time and event is noted cameras at the time and event is noted cameras at the time and event is noted we put that on the distributed Ledger oh we put that on the distributed Ledger oh we put that on the distributed Ledger oh and by the way here's the automated and by the way here's the automated and by the way here's the automated workflow piece workflow piece workflow piece we kick off a response to the First we kick off a response to the First we kick off a response to the First Responders the emergency centers all of Responders the emergency centers all of Responders the emergency centers all of that and everything is on the on the that and everything is on the on the that and everything is on the on the Chain so we can't touch it we can't Chain so we can't touch it we can't Chain so we can't touch it we can't change it we can't do anything but you change it we can't do anything but you change it we can't do anything but you get a first responder there three get a first responder there three get a first responder there three minutes early you might save a minutes early you might save a minutes early you might save a life yeah those are the two things that life yeah those are the two things that life yeah those are the two things that we did oh you everyone feels small man we did oh you everyone feels small man we did oh you everyone feels small man like that's like mean dude like that's like mean dude like that's like mean dude man but you're so right it's not it's man but you're so right it's not it's man but you're so right it's not it's not a 3D model it's a bunch of metadata not a 3D model it's a bunch of metadata not a 3D model it's a bunch of metadata data and it's all cled together right data and it's all cled together right data and it's all cled together right you might need to change it around you might need to change it around you might need to change it around absolutely we haven't we haven't talked absolutely we haven't we haven't talked absolutely we haven't we haven't talked about digital twin in a long time but um

about digital twin in a long time but um about digital twin in a long time but um is Debbie still is Debbie still is Debbie still on yeah here you haven't said anything on yeah here you haven't said anything on yeah here you haven't said anything and that's like criminal and that's like criminal and that's like criminal really oh my gosh enjoying listening to really oh my gosh enjoying listening to really oh my gosh enjoying listening to you J no that's not allowed that's not you J no that's not allowed that's not you J no that's not allowed that's not allowed we need to hear find yourself allowed we need to hear find yourself allowed we need to hear find yourself doing anything with digital twins ever not so much she's ever not so much she's stinky that's all right that's all right stinky that's all right that's all right stinky that's all right that's all right oh a lot of us don't do anything with oh a lot of us don't do anything with oh a lot of us don't do anything with digital twin no but I mean but see the digital twin no but I mean but see the digital twin no but I mean but see the thing about it is that the from a thing about it is that the from a thing about it is that the from a privacy aspect the digital twin you got privacy aspect the digital twin you got privacy aspect the digital twin you got to respect the Privacy side of it oh to respect the Privacy side of it oh to respect the Privacy side of it oh yeah the cyber security and the Privacy yeah the cyber security and the Privacy yeah the cyber security and the Privacy side people don't understand all the side people don't understand all the side people don't understand all the stuff that's running under the hood in stuff that's running under the hood in stuff that's running under the hood in terms of active cve monitoring active I terms of active cve monitoring active I terms of active cve monitoring active I mean we're monitoring because we're mean we're monitoring because we're mean we're monitoring because we're getting data from all these all these getting data from all these all these getting data from all these all these other sources and everything I don't other sources and everything I don't other sources and everything I don't know if that one thing that you got over know if that one thing that you got over know if that one thing that you got over there number one do you have an s bomb there number one do you have an s bomb there number one do you have an s bomb tied to that device if you don't have an tied to that device if you don't have an tied to that device if you don't have an s-bomb tied to that device we have a s-bomb tied to that device we have a s-bomb tied to that device we have a problem because we want to make sure problem because we want to make sure problem because we want to make sure that that firmware that's being updated that that firmware that's being updated that that firmware that's being updated is not going to give us BS data that is is not going to give us BS data that is is not going to give us BS data that is going to cause false oh man you yeah going to cause false oh man you yeah going to cause false oh man you yeah right about problems on a different right about problems on a different right about problems on a different level I mean that's like maintenance and level I mean that's like maintenance and level I mean that's like maintenance and assurance and frust and those are all assurance and frust and those are all assurance and frust and those are all layers of layers of layers of complexity

complexity complexity that you barely people barely touch on that you barely people barely touch on that you barely people barely touch on until they've actually invested in all until they've actually invested in all until they've actually invested in all this stuff and then figure out hey we this stuff and then figure out hey we this stuff and then figure out hey we have to maintain this stuff oh we have have to maintain this stuff oh we have have to maintain this stuff oh we have responsibility you know it's crazy um no responsibility you know it's crazy um no responsibility you know it's crazy um no you're absolutely um correct and a lot you're absolutely um correct and a lot you're absolutely um correct and a lot of these like even with like these of these like even with like these of these like even with like these Network apis that everyone's talking Network apis that everyone's talking Network apis that everyone's talking about in the TCO Arena um it's not just about in the TCO Arena um it's not just about in the TCO Arena um it's not just as easy as just having or publishing a as easy as just having or publishing a as easy as just having or publishing a um an API off of your um an API off of your um an API off of your network it's okay how do you trust network it's okay how do you trust network it's okay how do you trust people who are consuming that people who are consuming that people who are consuming that information and data right consuming information and data right consuming information and data right consuming that service brokering that providing that service brokering that providing that service brokering that providing Assurance uh there's like all this Assurance uh there's like all this Assurance uh there's like all this additional complexity Beyond just the additional complexity Beyond just the additional complexity Beyond just the technical um you know that technical technical um you know that technical technical um you know that technical architectural view right yeah and yeah architectural view right yeah and yeah architectural view right yeah and yeah and see again I think you know when you and see again I think you know when you and see again I think you know when you see the Talking Heads create these see the Talking Heads create these see the Talking Heads create these massive numbers they don't they don't massive numbers they don't they don't massive numbers they don't they don't Factor these things in or they don't Factor these things in or they don't Factor these things in or they don't even have a good feel for it and the even have a good feel for it and the even have a good feel for it and the layers of complexity that goes into um layers of complexity that goes into um layers of complexity that goes into um building a trusted system you know what building a trusted system you know what building a trusted system you know what I'm saying and I'm saying and I'm saying and and and you know and then having to deal and and you know and then having to deal and and you know and then having to deal with the fact that we have a long Legacy with the fact that we have a long Legacy with the fact that we have a long Legacy of and huge huge inventories of of and huge huge inventories of of and huge huge inventories of untrustable systems out there that have untrustable systems out there that have untrustable systems out there that have been designed without Security in mind been designed without Security in mind been designed without Security in mind but now everyone's trying to put that on

but now everyone's trying to put that on but now everyone's trying to put that on the internet somehow you know it's just the internet somehow you know it's just the internet somehow you know it's just like but everybody that that's the ugly like but everybody that that's the ugly like but everybody that that's the ugly that's the the gap of the ugly right you that's the the gap of the ugly right you that's the the gap of the ugly right you got to work that in order to get to got to work that in order to get to got to work that in order to get to solutions that don't just provide the solutions that don't just provide the solutions that don't just provide the face value but um are sustainable and face value but um are sustainable and face value but um are sustainable and trustable they don't present risk to trustable they don't present risk to trustable they don't present risk to anyone who uses the service and anyone anyone who uses the service and anyone anyone who uses the service and anyone who's delivering the service who's delivering the service who's delivering the service so those are great points man and and to so those are great points man and and to so those are great points man and and to your to your point I mean you're talking your to your point I mean you're talking your to your point I mean you're talking about I mean again just in the traffic about I mean again just in the traffic about I mean again just in the traffic side of it you got Vehicles you got side of it you got Vehicles you got side of it you got Vehicles you got traffic management data you you got traffic management data you you got traffic management data you you got camera data you've got all of these camera data you've got all of these camera data you've got all of these other oh my God pieces and and are you other oh my God pieces and and are you other oh my God pieces and and are you seeing so here's the one that gets me oh seeing so here's the one that gets me oh seeing so here's the one that gets me oh well you know we blur the license plat well you know we blur the license plat well you know we blur the license plat I'm like I'm like I'm like get the out of here with that we blur get the out of here with that we blur get the out of here with that we blur this I'm like do you understand that this I'm like do you understand that this I'm like do you understand that that can be taken away that can be taken away that can be taken away all yeah right exactly and then it may all yeah right exactly and then it may all yeah right exactly and then it may not be done in real time not be done in real time not be done in real time either so either so either so the the the masking yeah know way I way I know way masking yeah know way I way I know way masking yeah know way I way I know way way way too much about traffic you ask way way too much about traffic you ask way way too much about traffic you ask almost anything anything I in traffic I almost anything anything I in traffic I almost anything anything I in traffic I can tell you all about it like Emergency can tell you all about it like Emergency can tell you all about it like Emergency Management you know life play you know

Management you know life play you know Management you know life play you know wacky things people want to do throw wacky things people want to do throw wacky things people want to do throw stuff on the stuff on the stuff on the pole pole pole yeah so I mean and and you know when yeah so I mean and and you know when yeah so I mean and and you know when again I mean it's it's one of those again I mean it's it's one of those again I mean it's it's one of those things I think a lot of companies kind things I think a lot of companies kind things I think a lot of companies kind of try to position themselves as oh of try to position themselves as oh of try to position themselves as oh we're the one throat to choke oh we're we're the one throat to choke oh we're we're the one throat to choke oh we're the solution provider oh we're this you the solution provider oh we're this you the solution provider oh we're this you know what we say it all the time that's know what we say it all the time that's know what we say it all the time that's why it in if you look at True North True why it in if you look at True North True why it in if you look at True North True North says navigating your waves of data North says navigating your waves of data North says navigating your waves of data is easier when you know you're True is easier when you know you're True is easier when you know you're True North if you know where you're going or North if you know where you're going or North if you know where you're going or where you want to land that's what we're where you want to land that's what we're where you want to land that's what we're stewards of the data none of that stuff stewards of the data none of that stuff stewards of the data none of that stuff is owned by is owned by is owned by us so it looks like Bill had a good year us so it looks like Bill had a good year us so it looks like Bill had a good year I did love it love it all right well um we're love it love it all right well um we're running up on time but hey um you want running up on time but hey um you want running up on time but hey um you want to anybody else want to share their 2024 to anybody else want to share their 2024 to anybody else want to share their 2024 story mine's very short it was busy and story mine's very short it was busy and story mine's very short it was busy and Hell Hell Hell elicious lot of elicious lot of elicious lot of stuff that's all I gotta say 2025 is stuff that's all I gotta say 2025 is stuff that's all I gotta say 2025 is gonna be crazyer seven figure gonna be crazyer seven figure gonna be crazyer seven figure numbers from numbers from numbers from who that's that's what that's what hear who that's that's what that's what hear who that's that's what that's what hear Leonard Leonard Leonard saying I wish uh not really I just want I want wish uh not really I just want I want peace and Harmony and goodwi to all men peace and Harmony and goodwi to all men peace and Harmony and goodwi to all men that's all I just want connectivity for that's all I just want connectivity for that's all I just want connectivity for all men yeah that too and devices yes K all men yeah that too and devices yes K all men yeah that too and devices yes K through 12 and yes right yes that's an

through 12 and yes right yes that's an through 12 and yes right yes that's an important thing stuff yeah anyone else important thing stuff yeah anyone else important thing stuff yeah anyone else Debbie you have to you are you have a Debbie you have to you are you have a Debbie you have to you are you have a serious deficit serious deficit serious deficit you have a deficit in end time here here you you owe us get Chance yeah yeah I you you owe us get Chance yeah yeah I you you owe us get Chance yeah yeah I make it up to you guys I had jump on make it up to you guys I had jump on make it up to you guys I had jump on late just wacky things going on today late just wacky things going on today late just wacky things going on today so the day that div was in the man yes so the day that div was in the man yes so the day that div was in the man yes have a class problem 500,000 have a class problem 500,000 have a class problem 500,000 downloads yeah right downloads yeah right downloads yeah right I give a teaser I give a teaser I give a teaser something a a big big big big big big something a a big big big big big big something a a big big big big big big company uh which I will not name uh has company uh which I will not name uh has company uh which I will not name uh has asked me to speak asked me to speak asked me to speak their their their corporation uh globally about private so corporation uh globally about private so corporation uh globally about private so wow a wow a wow a big I'm hearing seven figures from big I'm hearing seven figures from big I'm hearing seven figures from Debbie Debbie Debbie yeah no she's she's she's falling yeah no she's she's she's falling yeah no she's she's she's falling pretty interesting just put it like this pretty interesting just put it like this pretty interesting just put it like this one is on the the front page of the one is on the the front page of the one is on the the front page of the newspaper a lot ah oh my gosh we can think of a lot lot ah oh my gosh we can think of a lot of companies but they're all big of companies but they're all big of companies but they're all big congratulations awesome oh my goodness congratulations awesome oh my goodness congratulations awesome oh my goodness yeah well you know what she's such a

yeah well you know what she's such a yeah well you know what she's such a great example of someone who took um a great example of someone who took um a great example of someone who took um a rather Niche and probably unpopular rather Niche and probably unpopular rather Niche and probably unpopular Topic at the time is like blowing up you Topic at the time is like blowing up you Topic at the time is like blowing up you know I mean that's and and it's it's for know I mean that's and and it's it's for know I mean that's and and it's it's for the greater good too you know um the greater good too you know um the greater good too you know um security cyber security privacy these security cyber security privacy these security cyber security privacy these are things nobody uh gave a crap about I are things nobody uh gave a crap about I are things nobody uh gave a crap about I mean you know we need to go into a time mean you know we need to go into a time mean you know we need to go into a time machine and go back you know and that's machine and go back you know and that's machine and go back you know and that's why I think iot Coffee Talk is so cool why I think iot Coffee Talk is so cool why I think iot Coffee Talk is so cool because we talk we talk about how people because we talk we talk about how people because we talk we talk about how people are thinking about and talking about are thinking about and talking about are thinking about and talking about technology at that time right and so we technology at that time right and so we technology at that time right and so we always have to treat the content from always have to treat the content from always have to treat the content from prev years in the context of that time prev years in the context of that time prev years in the context of that time that moment and where the discourse was that moment and where the discourse was that moment and where the discourse was around some of these Tech topics around around some of these Tech topics around around some of these Tech topics around iot and Beyond and um you know that's iot and Beyond and um you know that's iot and Beyond and um you know that's why I love doing this with you guys I why I love doing this with you guys I why I love doing this with you guys I mean I I I I've said it before I listen mean I I I I've said it before I listen mean I I I I've said it before I listen back on episod I was go didn't we talk back on episod I was go didn't we talk back on episod I was go didn't we talk about that like how long ago did we oh about that like how long ago did we oh about that like how long ago did we oh crap we talked about this now almost crap we talked about this now almost crap we talked about this now almost going on five years so we have a track going on five years so we have a track going on five years so we have a track record czy yeah think about we brought record czy yeah think about we brought record czy yeah think about we brought up helium we can go back to that helium up helium we can go back to that helium up helium we can go back to that helium episode and say no we called episode and say no we called episode and say no we called it you know we even brought someone from it you know we even brought someone from it you know we even brought someone from Helium here yeah we brought him he was Helium here yeah we brought him he was Helium here yeah we brought him he was cool dude too yeah and um in 2025 we're cool dude too yeah and um in 2025 we're cool dude too yeah and um in 2025 we're launching our new com competitor called Ponzi are you gonna bring someone from Ponzi are you gonna bring someone from Ponzi Corporation it's you it's you yeah

Ponzi Corporation it's you it's you yeah Ponzi Corporation it's you it's you yeah you're the leader we need we need to you're the leader we need we need to you're the leader we need we need to CEO CEO CEO hzi that me if it goes down in flames hzi that me if it goes down in flames hzi that me if it goes down in flames and the government comes after us and the government comes after us and the government comes after us they're going to come after you so they're going to come after you so they're going to come after you so congratulations on being the new CEO okay well on that note who wants to CEO okay well on that note who wants to take us out the last episode of the year come year come on all right there you go all right kids on all right there you go all right kids on all right there you go all right kids this is your Uncle Billy here all right this is your Uncle Billy here all right this is your Uncle Billy here all right um thanks so much for hanging with us in um thanks so much for hanging with us in um thanks so much for hanging with us in 2024 it's been a crazy year lots of it's 2024 it's been a crazy year lots of it's 2024 it's been a crazy year lots of it's been a roller coaster ups and downs been a roller coaster ups and downs been a roller coaster ups and downs people starting new businesses creating people starting new businesses creating people starting new businesses creating new technologies Consulting with their new technologies Consulting with their new technologies Consulting with their customers making the world a better customers making the world a better customers making the world a better place for Tech we've definitely rode place for Tech we've definitely rode place for Tech we've definitely rode lots of Nvidia waves up and down and up lots of Nvidia waves up and down and up lots of Nvidia waves up and down and up and down Quantum is not going to be hot and down Quantum is not going to be hot and down Quantum is not going to be hot in 2025 but somebody might try to say it in 2025 but somebody might try to say it in 2025 but somebody might try to say it is come back to us in 2050 and we'll is come back to us in 2050 and we'll is come back to us in 2050 and we'll talk about it okay um thanks for being talk about it okay um thanks for being talk about it okay um thanks for being with us and it is crazy you're right in with us and it is crazy you're right in with us and it is crazy you're right in in 2025 we'll probably be celebrating in 2025 we'll probably be celebrating in 2025 we'll probably be celebrating our fifth year on air I can't believe our fifth year on air I can't believe our fifth year on air I can't believe we've been doing this this is great uh we've been doing this this is great uh we've been doing this this is great uh love all you guys this has been such a love all you guys this has been such a love all you guys this has been such a wonderful thing to just be able to hang wonderful thing to just be able to hang wonderful thing to just be able to hang out um I'm all over it thanks for all out um I'm all over it thanks for all out um I'm all over it thanks for all your support of uh Elevate our kids and your support of uh Elevate our kids and your support of uh Elevate our kids and helping you know our kids in helping you know our kids in helping you know our kids in disadvantaged situations underresourced

disadvantaged situations underresourced disadvantaged situations underresourced communities you know get them that communities you know get them that communities you know get them that laptop where they can get some education laptop where they can get some education laptop where they can get some education get that connectivity we're working with get that connectivity we're working with get that connectivity we're working with the good Folks at T-Mobile to put all the good Folks at T-Mobile to put all the good Folks at T-Mobile to put all that stuff together we lots of people that stuff together we lots of people that stuff together we lots of people talk a good game about Bridging the talk a good game about Bridging the talk a good game about Bridging the digital divide we actually do it that's digital divide we actually do it that's digital divide we actually do it that's actually why we do coffee talk is to actually why we do coffee talk is to actually why we do coffee talk is to support that and so that's that's the support that and so that's that's the support that and so that's that's the bigger mission is to help out these kids bigger mission is to help out these kids bigger mission is to help out these kids and have a better life uh we are looking and have a better life uh we are looking and have a better life uh we are looking forward to a great 2025 with all you forward to a great 2025 with all you forward to a great 2025 with all you folks we're going to talk about a lot of folks we're going to talk about a lot of folks we're going to talk about a lot of really important things and some really important things and some really important things and some ridiculous things too I'm sure as usual ridiculous things too I'm sure as usual ridiculous things too I'm sure as usual um thanks for everybody being with us I um thanks for everybody being with us I um thanks for everybody being with us I hope you're having a great happy hope you're having a great happy hope you're having a great happy holidays and have amazing 2025 and we holidays and have amazing 2025 and we holidays and have amazing 2025 and we will see you next year