IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 211 - Naughty AI

[Music] [Music] okay welcome to Coffee okay welcome to Coffee okay welcome to Coffee Talk it's just me and Kate so far the Talk it's just me and Kate so far the Talk it's just me and Kate so far the espresso Edition espresso Edition espresso Edition yes just a little shot shot exactly yes just a little shot shot exactly yes just a little shot shot exactly where are you at Pete I'm in San where are you at Pete I'm in San where are you at Pete I'm in San Francisco here in park off of Filmore Francisco here in park off of Filmore Francisco here in park off of Filmore and yesterday I spent the day at the and yesterday I spent the day at the and yesterday I spent the day at the world economic forum's AI governance uh world economic forum's AI governance uh world economic forum's AI governance uh community meeting oh that's cool it was community meeting oh that's cool it was community meeting oh that's cool it was in the Presidio actually it was a really in the Presidio actually it was a really in the Presidio actually it was a really nice venue oh nice and uh I was there on nice venue oh nice and uh I was there on nice venue oh nice and uh I was there on behalf of the tiny ml foundation and we behalf of the tiny ml foundation and we behalf of the tiny ml foundation and we spent the day talking about you know spent the day talking about you know spent the day talking about you know where this stuff is heading and there's where this stuff is heading and there's where this stuff is heading and there's a few specific topics for digging into a few specific topics for digging into a few specific topics for digging into like AI agents and sort of yeah what are like AI agents and sort of yeah what are like AI agents and sort of yeah what are the right sort of responsible guard the right sort of responsible guard the right sort of responsible guard rails and architectures for agents and rails and architectures for agents and rails and architectures for agents and how do you imbue agents with how do you imbue agents with how do you imbue agents with values right and you know you know values right and you know you know values right and you know you know things like that so that they things like that so that they things like that so that they behave in a determin values well the thing is like whose values well the thing is like whose values so you put values on there but values so you put values on there but values so you put values on there but whose's values right good point you're whose's values right good point you're whose's values right good point you're right that goes back to the was talking right that goes back to the was talking right that goes back to the was talking about bias in AI data models and stuff about bias in AI data models and stuff about bias in AI data models and stuff then we were talking about like micro then we were talking about like micro then we were talking about like micro agent so each agent could really have a agent so each agent could really have a agent so each agent could really have a bunch of sub agents you know that go out bunch of sub agents you know that go out bunch of sub agents you know that go out and do things so really talking about and do things so really talking about and do things so really talking about there an AI agent architecture that can there an AI agent architecture that can there an AI agent architecture that can be very you know very disc a very be very you know very disc a very be very you know very disc a very discreet job or it can be Meta Meta

discreet job or it can be Meta Meta discreet job or it can be Meta Meta agent that's managing you know bunch of agent that's managing you know bunch of agent that's managing you know bunch of sub agents it was interesting discussion sub agents it was interesting discussion sub agents it was interesting discussion about how to do all that and there was about how to do all that and there was about how to do all that and there was lot of it's interesting because they lot of it's interesting because they lot of it's interesting because they bring together a lot of tech folks of bring together a lot of tech folks of bring together a lot of tech folks of course but course but course but also you know professors Academia also you know professors Academia also you know professors Academia criminologists you know psychology folks criminologists you know psychology folks criminologists you know psychology folks and right so it was a little more little and right so it was a little more little and right so it was a little more little more well-rounded conversation than just more well-rounded conversation than just more well-rounded conversation than just the latest uh llama 3 you the latest uh llama 3 you the latest uh llama 3 you know yada yada yada right right oh my know yada yada yada right right oh my know yada yada yada right right oh my gosh oh there was definitely some of gosh oh there was definitely some of gosh oh there was definitely some of that there are some that there are some that there are some yeah do people there seem to do people yeah do people there seem to do people yeah do people there seem to do people seem to know what's going on or how many seem to know what's going on or how many seem to know what's going on or how many people do you think when you're in these people do you think when you're in these people do you think when you're in these meetings really really get it or that meetings really really get it or that meetings really really get it or that space and The restor space and The restor space and The restor Spectators spec I mean you know there's Spectators spec I mean you know there's Spectators spec I mean you know there's I think there's people that are on the I think there's people that are on the I think there's people that are on the inside looking out you know that are inside looking out you know that are inside looking out you know that are developing the tech and then there's the developing the tech and then there's the developing the tech and then there's the people on the outside looking in trying people on the outside looking in trying people on the outside looking in trying to figure out how it's going to impact to figure out how it's going to impact to figure out how it's going to impact whatever they're doing right um I met a whatever they're doing right um I met a whatever they're doing right um I met a a professor of criminology from a professor of criminology from a professor of criminology from University Virginia and she was um kind University Virginia and she was um kind University Virginia and she was um kind of on the outside looking in and really of on the outside looking in and really of on the outside looking in and really interested in you know where we're interested in you know where we're interested in you know where we're moving with criminal justice so it was moving with criminal justice so it was moving with criminal justice so it was interesting that I interesting that I interesting that I think you know and there's obviously not think you know and there's obviously not think you know and there's obviously not really consensus on either side of the really consensus on either side of the really consensus on either side of the glass there yeah as what's possible I glass there yeah as what's possible I glass there yeah as what's possible I was advocating around and kind of was advocating around and kind of was advocating around and kind of helping educate around what's possible helping educate around what's possible helping educate around what's possible and Edge Ed AI and Edge Ed AI and Edge Ed AI yeahi you know wow people were surprised yeahi you know wow people were surprised yeahi you know wow people were surprised they were like wow we didn't know we they were like wow we didn't know we they were like wow we didn't know we could run like generative AI models on

could run like generative AI models on could run like generative AI models on Raspberry pies and yeah you know and uh Raspberry pies and yeah you know and uh Raspberry pies and yeah you know and uh I'm sure they were surprised was helpful I'm sure they were surprised was helpful I'm sure they were surprised was helpful yeah and it was like well you know how yeah and it was like well you know how yeah and it was like well you know how do you have agents running you know do you have agents running you know do you have agents running you know discreetly disconnected from the cloud discreetly disconnected from the cloud discreetly disconnected from the cloud yeah yeah good point good point yeah how yeah yeah good point good point yeah how yeah yeah good point good point yeah how do you you know mitigate dependencies on do you you know mitigate dependencies on do you you know mitigate dependencies on cloud providers for all of your AI for cloud providers for all of your AI for cloud providers for all of your AI for right right yeah that's people worry right right yeah that's people worry right right yeah that's people worry about that stuff I just the issue of AI about that stuff I just the issue of AI about that stuff I just the issue of AI Supremacy where only two or three Supremacy where only two or three Supremacy where only two or three companies have enough black well strung companies have enough black well strung companies have enough black well strung together to you know right figure [ __ ] together to you know right figure [ __ ] together to you know right figure [ __ ] out of course you know you just said the out of course you know you just said the out of course you know you just said the big word you know when you talk about big word you know when you talk about big word you know when you talk about true AI Supremacy that spans every true AI Supremacy that spans every true AI Supremacy that spans every cloud it's Invidia so far yeah they seem to uh be Invidia so far yeah they seem to uh be running the table right they really do running the table right they really do running the table right they really do some serious stock movement the last some serious stock movement the last some serious stock movement the last several days on their part crazy feeling several days on their part crazy feeling several days on their part crazy feeling the your disclaimer though we got to do the your disclaimer though we got to do the your disclaimer though we got to do the disclaimer that nothing we say here the disclaimer that nothing we say here the disclaimer that nothing we say here has any meaning or value or should be has any meaning or value or should be has any meaning or value or should be interpreted exactly anything we're not interpreted exactly anything we're not interpreted exactly anything we're not providing Financial advice yeah these providing Financial advice yeah these providing Financial advice yeah these aren't even words these are just sounds aren't even words these are just sounds aren't even words these are just sounds coming out of sounds don't even know coming out of sounds don't even know coming out of sounds don't even know what we're saying can't even interpret what we're saying can't even interpret what we're saying can't even interpret it as an English language things right it as an English language things right it as an English language things right but it is remarkable when I'm like look but it is remarkable when I'm like look but it is remarkable when I'm like look at the market and like one day the the at the market and like one day the the at the market and like one day the the whole stock market's down like 600 whole stock market's down like 600 whole stock market's down like 600 points but Nvidia is up you know 100 points but Nvidia is up you know 100 points but Nvidia is up you know 100 points in one

points in one points in one day it nuts yeah well I mean they had a day it nuts yeah well I mean they had a day it nuts yeah well I mean they had a blowout quarter and that's what happens blowout quarter and that's what happens blowout quarter and that's what happens when you have a blowout quarter get a when you have a blowout quarter get a when you have a blowout quarter get a blowout stock stock pump and uh they did blowout stock stock pump and uh they did blowout stock stock pump and uh they did 10 for one split and uh you know so 10 for one split and uh you know so 10 for one split and uh you know so that's good for somebody's college fund that's good for somebody's college fund that's good for somebody's college fund I hope yeah absolutely absolutely so I I hope yeah absolutely absolutely so I I hope yeah absolutely absolutely so I saw somebody posting on Twitter today on saw somebody posting on Twitter today on saw somebody posting on Twitter today on X and he was making it was like a thread X and he was making it was like a thread X and he was making it was like a thread that he was doing and it was kind of that he was doing and it was kind of that he was doing and it was kind of recommendations to his kids who was recommendations to his kids who was recommendations to his kids who was about to go off to college and and what about to go off to college and and what about to go off to college and and what fields to go after and which ones to not fields to go after and which ones to not fields to go after and which ones to not go after based on AI go after based on AI go after based on AI um like and he was just discounting a um like and he was just discounting a um like and he was just discounting a whole lot of professions that we whole lot of professions that we whole lot of professions that we previously thought were the hot jobs of previously thought were the hot jobs of previously thought were the hot jobs of the future and basically like they're the future and basically like they're the future and basically like they're all dead you know because of a high like all dead you know because of a high like all dead you know because of a high like yeah well it's always entertaining to be yeah well it's always entertaining to be yeah well it's always entertaining to be contrarian I think uh our our we're wir contrarian I think uh our our we're wir contrarian I think uh our our we're wir wired to to like uh thingses and wired to to like uh thingses and wired to to like uh thingses and differences and things so yeah I think differences and things so yeah I think differences and things so yeah I think um you know it's it's um it's too early um you know it's it's um it's too early um you know it's it's um it's too early to tell exactly where everything's to tell exactly where everything's to tell exactly where everything's heading my my kids are all very creative heading my my kids are all very creative heading my my kids are all very creative my daughter just graduated Saturday Bard my daughter just graduated Saturday Bard my daughter just graduated Saturday Bard College awesome fantastic school and it College awesome fantastic school and it College awesome fantastic school and it was a great experience and yeah she got was a great experience and yeah she got was a great experience and yeah she got a great education and it's very a great education and it's very a great education and it's very Humanities oriented she's a writer Humanities oriented she's a writer Humanities oriented she's a writer that's great um but she's a super that's great um but she's a super that's great um but she's a super creative person and I think maybe if creative person and I think maybe if creative person and I think maybe if there's one skill that everyone should there's one skill that everyone should there's one skill that everyone should be cultivating these days is creativity be cultivating these days is creativity be cultivating these days is creativity I agree I agree because we are as we

I agree I agree because we are as we I agree I agree because we are as we head into a little more turbulence yeah head into a little more turbulence yeah head into a little more turbulence yeah finding creative ways of uh getting finding creative ways of uh getting finding creative ways of uh getting through life is a good thing absolutely through life is a good thing absolutely through life is a good thing absolutely absolutely creative way of paying the absolutely creative way of paying the absolutely creative way of paying the bills creative way bills creative way bills creative way of of of yeah she gonna be an author a little bit yeah she gonna be an author a little bit yeah she gonna be an author a little bit of flexibility yeah she well she's of flexibility yeah she well she's of flexibility yeah she well she's written a lot of good good stuff um yeah written a lot of good good stuff um yeah written a lot of good good stuff um yeah she actually founded the uh the student she actually founded the uh the student she actually founded the uh the student literary journal there at Bard a couple literary journal there at Bard a couple literary journal there at Bard a couple years ago oh that's great the editor years ago oh that's great the editor years ago oh that's great the editor there so uh yeah no it's it's powerful there so uh yeah no it's it's powerful there so uh yeah no it's it's powerful stuff uh there's a lot of young people stuff uh there's a lot of young people stuff uh there's a lot of young people out there doing incredible creative out there doing incredible creative out there doing incredible creative things and uh yeah not everything is things and uh yeah not everything is things and uh yeah not everything is ones and zeros yet right fingers crossed ones and zeros yet right fingers crossed ones and zeros yet right fingers crossed you know I I probably mentioned this you know I I probably mentioned this you know I I probably mentioned this before I mean I listen to some of these before I mean I listen to some of these before I mean I listen to some of these podcasts you like writing podcasts and podcasts you like writing podcasts and podcasts you like writing podcasts and stuff like that and it's interesting to stuff like that and it's interesting to stuff like that and it's interesting to hear them promoting the use of a of hear them promoting the use of a of hear them promoting the use of a of Claude three to help you with your with Claude three to help you with your with Claude three to help you with your with your writing your fiction you know your writing your fiction you know your writing your fiction you know getting you going you know or or at a getting you going you know or or at a getting you going you know or or at a minimum like if you have they said minimum like if you have they said minimum like if you have they said there's no excuse for writer's block there's no excuse for writer's block there's no excuse for writer's block anymore um just have anymore um just have anymore um just have Claude come up with some thing you know Claude come up with some thing you know Claude come up with some thing you know set a scene or whatever and uh and and I set a scene or whatever and uh and and I set a scene or whatever and uh and and I think we've talked about this before on think we've talked about this before on think we've talked about this before on the show you know I remember when I the show you know I remember when I the show you know I remember when I Amazon reached out you know any of us Amazon reached out you know any of us Amazon reached out you know any of us who published books over the years and who published books over the years and who published books over the years and put stuff on Amazon or kindleall or put stuff on Amazon or kindleall or put stuff on Amazon or kindleall or things like that they they sent out things like that they they sent out things like that they they sent out emails to everybody saying all right

emails to everybody saying all right emails to everybody saying all right from now on you got a there these radio from now on you got a there these radio from now on you got a there these radio buttons or check boxes you know did I is buttons or check boxes you know did I is buttons or check boxes you know did I is the entire book written with AI uh did I the entire book written with AI uh did I the entire book written with AI uh did I get help from AI for an aspect of the get help from AI for an aspect of the get help from AI for an aspect of the book or did I truly do this whole thing book or did I truly do this whole thing book or did I truly do this whole thing for my brain and so that's pretty for my brain and so that's pretty for my brain and so that's pretty interesting yeah well it seems to be interesting yeah well it seems to be interesting yeah well it seems to be even uploading YouTubes these days got even uploading YouTubes these days got even uploading YouTubes these days got be check marks and stuff but yeah I be check marks and stuff but yeah I be check marks and stuff but yeah I don't think you can really rely on the don't think you can really rely on the don't think you can really rely on the authors to uh to do that stuff somehow authors to uh to do that stuff somehow authors to uh to do that stuff somehow we need a better we need a better we need a better water marking or some sort of water marking or some sort of water marking or some sort of transparency on yeah hey transparency on yeah hey transparency on yeah hey Mark how's it going hey how are you Mark how's it going hey how are you Mark how's it going hey how are you doing good good there he is you're back doing good good there he is you're back doing good good there he is you're back in your usual H just robing in your usual H just robing in your usual H just robing ey exactly my background your background ey exactly my background your background ey exactly my background your background I see is a bit tiny I see is a bit tiny I see is a bit tiny yeah little bit tiny yeah little bit tiny yeah little bit tiny tiny it happen is that a pun tiny it happen is that a pun tiny it happen is that a pun yeah absolutely absolutely you're yeah absolutely absolutely you're yeah absolutely absolutely you're so what's going what's new with you mark so what's going what's new with you mark so what's going what's new with you mark anything interesting going on yeah a lot of things actually yeah on yeah a lot of things actually yeah today I was speaking with several iot today I was speaking with several iot today I was speaking with several iot teachers from universities from multiple teachers from universities from multiple teachers from universities from multiple countries oh cool and it's interesting countries oh cool and it's interesting countries oh cool and it's interesting that yeah iot it's being yeah explain in that yeah iot it's being yeah explain in that yeah iot it's being yeah explain in universities so Wow Let's see what's the universities so Wow Let's see what's the universities so Wow Let's see what's the next next next Generation Generation Generation interesting I wonder who's cre do they

interesting I wonder who's cre do they interesting I wonder who's cre do they have textbooks on iot that they have textbooks on iot that they have textbooks on iot that they use I mean I'm I'm curious who's writing use I mean I'm I'm curious who's writing use I mean I'm I'm curious who's writing who's writing the books for the who's writing the books for the who's writing the books for the professors to teach from I Claude Claude professors to teach from I Claude Claude professors to teach from I Claude Claude is writing them yeah I don't know I I haven't asked that yeah I don't know I I haven't asked that yeah that's a very good question I will yeah that's a very good question I will yeah that's a very good question I will ask the next teacher they speak with ask the next teacher they speak with ask the next teacher they speak with yeah I know there is I know there's a yeah I know there is I know there's a yeah I know there is I know there's a lot of good curriculum on there's sort lot of good curriculum on there's sort lot of good curriculum on there's sort of like open source curriculum on GitHub of like open source curriculum on GitHub of like open source curriculum on GitHub for a lot of uh text up I know tiny ml for a lot of uh text up I know tiny ml for a lot of uh text up I know tiny ml just as an example there's some good just as an example there's some good just as an example there's some good kind of Open Source curriculum you know kind of Open Source curriculum you know kind of Open Source curriculum you know learning objectives and even textbooks learning objectives and even textbooks learning objectives and even textbooks and stuff out there so oh that's cool and stuff out there so oh that's cool and stuff out there so oh that's cool that's good to know um I remember I that's good to know um I remember I that's good to know um I remember I taught I did some little adjunct work taught I did some little adjunct work taught I did some little adjunct work for MBA classes at University of Texas for MBA classes at University of Texas for MBA classes at University of Texas in Dallas and I remember spending a in Dallas and I remember spending a in Dallas and I remember spending a bunch of time afterward with a bunch of bunch of time afterward with a bunch of bunch of time afterward with a bunch of the professors from their engineering the professors from their engineering the professors from their engineering department and then MBA and all that department and then MBA and all that department and then MBA and all that stuff and they were like in said there stuff and they were like in said there stuff and they were like in said there just know there they they didn't have just know there they they didn't have just know there they they didn't have anything and they were just on the Fly anything and they were just on the Fly anything and they were just on the Fly throwing stuff together and it was throwing stuff together and it was throwing stuff together and it was interesting he like well you know Rob if interesting he like well you know Rob if interesting he like well you know Rob if you wrote a book about iot but also at you wrote a book about iot but also at you wrote a book about iot but also at at the end of each chapter have little at the end of each chapter have little at the end of each chapter have little quizzes little tests that ask questions quizzes little tests that ask questions quizzes little tests that ask questions that instantly qualifies your book as a that instantly qualifies your book as a that instantly qualifies your book as a textbook for textbook for textbook for University and then you can get it into University and then you can get it into University and then you can get it into all the universities and make a lot of all the universities and make a lot of all the universities and make a lot of money um and I was like why are you

money um and I was like why are you money um and I was like why are you wasting your wasting your wasting your time and so started what are we doing time and so started what are we doing time and so started what are we doing talking about this stuff I know sadly I talking about this stuff I know sadly I talking about this stuff I know sadly I didn't do it and because I'm lazy I didn't do it and because I'm lazy I didn't do it and because I'm lazy I guess um yeah it's like connect the guess um yeah it's like connect the guess um yeah it's like connect the thing to a cloud and boom there you go thing to a cloud and boom there you go thing to a cloud and boom there you go kids oh my gosh yeah I didn't realize kids oh my gosh yeah I didn't realize kids oh my gosh yeah I didn't realize you you you know you write all these books I guess know you write all these books I guess know you write all these books I guess the magic is just having short little the magic is just having short little the magic is just having short little question and answers at the end of each question and answers at the end of each question and answers at the end of each chapter um chapter um chapter um yeah but it's it's moving so fast that I yeah but it's it's moving so fast that I yeah but it's it's moving so fast that I I'm not sure if a book uh no you need I'm not sure if a book uh no you need I'm not sure if a book uh no you need you will need to have editions every six you will need to have editions every six you will need to have editions every six months right you're right new editions months right you're right new editions months right you're right new editions or maybe the book on E subscription or maybe the book on E subscription or maybe the book on E subscription model it's like a textbook as a model it's like a textbook as a model it's like a textbook as a service yeah yeah service yeah yeah service yeah yeah absolutely absolutely absolutely yeah write that down write that down yeah write that down write that down yeah write that down write that down what is this yeah that's right we want to just this yeah that's right we want to just keep getting the money from keep getting the money from keep getting the money from universities well I seem to remember universities well I seem to remember universities well I seem to remember there was always lots of controversy or there was always lots of controversy or there was always lots of controversy or kids are always complaining about how kids are always complaining about how kids are always complaining about how expensive books are at the expensive books are at the expensive books are at the University um and how they would rent University um and how they would rent University um and how they would rent books or they would turn in trade in books or they would turn in trade in books or they would turn in trade in books and for some money and and that books and for some money and and that books and for some money and and that that the the scheme of all these book that the the scheme of all these book that the the scheme of all these book textbook authors was to make just small textbook authors was to make just small textbook authors was to make just small changes to it so that there's an updated changes to it so that there's an updated changes to it so that there's an updated addition that the next year has to get

addition that the next year has to get addition that the next year has to get the new one and can't use the old the new one and can't use the old the new one and can't use the old one sounds like a scam but it sounds one sounds like a scam but it sounds one sounds like a scam but it sounds like perfect scam for like perfect scam for like perfect scam for us here we go perfect scam yeah I us here we go perfect scam yeah I us here we go perfect scam yeah I remember taking my textbooks back you remember taking my textbooks back you remember taking my textbooks back you know you buy those big heavy textbooks know you buy those big heavy textbooks know you buy those big heavy textbooks and then you sell the used textbooks at and then you sell the used textbooks at and then you sell the used textbooks at the end of the quarter whatever a the end of the quarter whatever a the end of the quarter whatever a semester or you buy the used ones and semester or you buy the used ones and semester or you buy the used ones and get a good deal but now they're digital get a good deal but now they're digital get a good deal but now they're digital books I guess it's more renting yeah but books I guess it's more renting yeah but books I guess it's more renting yeah but uh yeah well especially in this field I uh yeah well especially in this field I uh yeah well especially in this field I mean I can't imagine a textbook from two mean I can't imagine a textbook from two mean I can't imagine a textbook from two years ago on iot would years ago on iot would years ago on iot would be super useful they had the what was be super useful they had the what was be super useful they had the what was the one that just came out I had him on the one that just came out I had him on the one that just came out I had him on my podcast but he did a really good one my podcast but he did a really good one my podcast but he did a really good one about case studies on on um kind of iot about case studies on on um kind of iot about case studies on on um kind of iot kind of I would say canonical kind of I would say canonical kind of I would say canonical architecture sort of like yours are you architecture sort of like yours are you architecture sort of like yours are you know regardless of how new the tech is know regardless of how new the tech is know regardless of how new the tech is there's some fundamental architectures there's some fundamental architectures there's some fundamental architectures to understand when you're putting these to understand when you're putting these to understand when you're putting these things together right that kind of things together right that kind of things together right that kind of stuff's pretty Evergreen because yeah stuff's pretty Evergreen because yeah stuff's pretty Evergreen because yeah the chips always get faster and lower the chips always get faster and lower the chips always get faster and lower power and other things like that but um power and other things like that but um power and other things like that but um there are some yeah as you say there are some yeah as you say there are some yeah as you say architecture are the same use cases architecture are the same use cases architecture are the same use cases probably are the same yeah yeah and probably are the same yeah yeah and probably are the same yeah yeah and business models I'm not sure if they we business models I'm not sure if they we business models I'm not sure if they we have seen a lot of Innovations on have seen a lot of Innovations on have seen a lot of Innovations on business models either in the last three business models either in the last three business models either in the last three five years five years five years right good point true it's a good point right good point true it's a good point right good point true it's a good point people are not being creative enough people are not being creative enough people are not being creative enough with their business business model there with their business business model there with their business business model there you you you go right go right go right um I've seen some companies trying to

um I've seen some companies trying to um I've seen some companies trying to innovate on the business models I'm not innovate on the business models I'm not innovate on the business models I'm not sure about the sure about the sure about the results but um I don't remember I think results but um I don't remember I think results but um I don't remember I think it's Hilty I'm not sure if in the US it's Hilty I'm not sure if in the US it's Hilty I'm not sure if in the US there are these thrilling machines yeah there are these thrilling machines yeah there are these thrilling machines yeah I know Hilty are they from I know Hilty are they from I know Hilty are they from Switzerland yeah I think so okay maybe Switzerland yeah I think so okay maybe Switzerland yeah I think so okay maybe I'm not sure so what they did is they I'm not sure so what they did is they I'm not sure so what they did is they they decided to stop selling the they decided to stop selling the they decided to stop selling the machines to sell you uh a machines to sell you uh a machines to sell you uh a hole so okay you need holes you need to hole so okay you need holes you need to hole so okay you need holes you need to make holes so yeah we can rent you a make holes so yeah we can rent you a make holes so yeah we can rent you a machine and once you don't need to make machine and once you don't need to make machine and once you don't need to make more holes it just ship us back the the more holes it just ship us back the the more holes it just ship us back the the drilling drilling drilling machine so yeah it's interesting I'm not machine so yeah it's interesting I'm not machine so yeah it's interesting I'm not sure how how that how successful they sure how how that how successful they sure how how that how successful they are or do they do they have a discounted are or do they do they have a discounted are or do they do they have a discounted version with a shovel like for a you version with a shovel like for a you version with a shovel like for a you know if you don't want the machine you know if you don't want the machine you know if you don't want the machine you can just do it manually with just give can just do it manually with just give can just do it manually with just give you a you a you a shovel you know if you want to same shovel you know if you want to same shovel you know if you want to same outcome in the past for mining gold uh outcome in the past for mining gold uh outcome in the past for mining gold uh yeah I mean think about it this was the yeah I mean think about it this was the yeah I mean think about it this was the pitch whether it's software as a service pitch whether it's software as a service pitch whether it's software as a service or this was just the general pitch in or this was just the general pitch in or this was just the general pitch in the cloud for all kinds of things in the the cloud for all kinds of things in the the cloud for all kinds of things in the early days it's like well you don't early days it's like well you don't early days it's like well you don't really want a drill you just want this really want a drill you just want this really want a drill you just want this hole in the wall and so we're going to hole in the wall and so we're going to hole in the wall and so we're going to do whatever as a service and you know do whatever as a service and you know do whatever as a service and you know you don't need to own this thing and and you don't need to own this thing and and you don't need to own this thing and and they use that same thing across any kind they use that same thing across any kind they use that same thing across any kind of scenario you can imagine it's like of scenario you can imagine it's like of scenario you can imagine it's like what's the outcome you're looking for do what's the outcome you're looking for do what's the outcome you're looking for do you really want to own all this stuff or you really want to own all this stuff or you really want to own all this stuff or maintain it right that was the oh yeah

maintain it right that was the oh yeah maintain it right that was the oh yeah that's the shortcut right that's the as that's the shortcut right that's the as that's the shortcut right that's the as a service thing so you know all is a a service thing so you know all is a a service thing so you know all is a service but it changed it changed a lot service but it changed it changed a lot service but it changed it changed a lot of things it change your target audience of things it change your target audience of things it change your target audience it change your the no the yeah it really it change your the no the yeah it really it change your the no the yeah it really change you move from capex to Opex your change you move from capex to Opex your change you move from capex to Opex your business model So It's Tricky it's not business model So It's Tricky it's not business model So It's Tricky it's not that easy I guess that easy I guess that easy I guess yeah the reason I know the reason I know yeah the reason I know the reason I know yeah the reason I know the reason I know Hilty is back when I was at Microsoft Hilty is back when I was at Microsoft Hilty is back when I was at Microsoft and incubating Azure iot I did about 70% and incubating Azure iot I did about 70% and incubating Azure iot I did about 70% of our executive briefings at that big of our executive briefings at that big of our executive briefings at that big executive briefing Center and and so I executive briefing Center and and so I executive briefing Center and and so I lived at that place and then of course lived at that place and then of course lived at that place and then of course lots of times you know and so every week lots of times you know and so every week lots of times you know and so every week you have plain loads of Executives from you have plain loads of Executives from you have plain loads of Executives from all the biggest companies in the world all the biggest companies in the world all the biggest companies in the world flying into Seattle and coming out to flying into Seattle and coming out to flying into Seattle and coming out to Redman for basically kind of like a what Redman for basically kind of like a what Redman for basically kind of like a what is it Pete it's like typically a two-day is it Pete it's like typically a two-day is it Pete it's like typically a two-day thing is and PM couple days PMS from thing is and PM couple days PMS from thing is and PM couple days PMS from each product group would spend an hour each product group would spend an hour each product group would spend an hour at a time and kind of brief them talk at a time and kind of brief them talk at a time and kind of brief them talk about road map and things like that and about road map and things like that and about road map and things like that and get them up to get them up to get them up to date um and then sometimes when you're date um and then sometimes when you're date um and then sometimes when you're really lucky then they take all these really lucky then they take all these really lucky then they take all these folks out to dinner at Daniel's for folks out to dinner at Daniel's for folks out to dinner at Daniel's for Stakes that night and so or what but Stakes that night and so or what but Stakes that night and so or what but with Hilty I think I it was with Hilty I think I it was with Hilty I think I it was John Hoy steak actually um which W that John Hoy steak actually um which W that John Hoy steak actually um which W that was great higher level s or well they're was great higher level s or well they're was great higher level s or well they're both good but yeah it was pretty good both good but yeah it was pretty good both good but yeah it was pretty good and then sometimes in Microsoft had a a

and then sometimes in Microsoft had a a and then sometimes in Microsoft had a a sky BLX at the baseball stadium and so sky BLX at the baseball stadium and so sky BLX at the baseball stadium and so lots of times when during baseball lots of times when during baseball lots of times when during baseball season we would take all the the season we would take all the the season we would take all the the customers for a baseball game um and so customers for a baseball game um and so customers for a baseball game um and so but yes I remember spending time with but yes I remember spending time with but yes I remember spending time with Hilty and getting to know those guys and Hilty and getting to know those guys and Hilty and getting to know those guys and it was yeah it was early days and it was yeah it was early days and it was yeah it was early days and they're all they're like what is this they're all they're like what is this they're all they're like what is this iot thing you know pretty crazy oh oh so iot thing you know pretty crazy oh oh so iot thing you know pretty crazy oh oh so maybe it's your fa it's your fault that maybe it's your fa it's your fault that maybe it's your fa it's your fault that they it's my they it's my they it's my fault like so many things in life it all fault like so many things in life it all fault like so many things in life it all comes back to me mar as you know and comes back to me mar as you know and comes back to me mar as you know and there's Leonard in the middle of the there's Leonard in the middle of the there's Leonard in the middle of the night in night in night in Taipei how's it guys oh my God I'm so Taipei how's it guys oh my God I'm so Taipei how's it guys oh my God I'm so stupid yeah you know I'm I I figured I'm stupid yeah you know I'm I I figured I'm stupid yeah you know I'm I I figured I'm up and so I might as well dial in to see up and so I might as well dial in to see up and so I might as well dial in to see how much crap you guys talk about me for how much crap you guys talk about me for how much crap you guys talk about me for you could only wish that we cared that you could only wish that we cared that you could only wish that we cared that much to talk crap about you yeah yeah W much to talk crap about you yeah yeah W much to talk crap about you yeah yeah W yeah know I'm disappointed so what I yeah know I'm disappointed so what I yeah know I'm disappointed so what I really want to know is where the hell is really want to know is where the hell is really want to know is where the hell is Pete where are you man that looks Pete where are you man that looks Pete where are you man that looks beautiful I'm in San beautiful I'm in San beautiful I'm in San Francisco San Francisco in the like Park Francisco San Francisco in the like Park Francisco San Francisco in the like Park beautiful you're messing with my palm beautiful you're messing with my palm beautiful you're messing with my palm tree there palm tree gotta love it wow tree there palm tree gotta love it wow tree there palm tree gotta love it wow legit California experience it is H the legit California experience it is H the legit California experience it is H the anti Washington anti Washington anti Washington experience yeah exactly it gloomy is it experience yeah exactly it gloomy is it experience yeah exactly it gloomy is it gloomy up here in Washington yes it is gloomy up here in Washington yes it is gloomy up here in Washington yes it is gray and rainy and not summer like at

gray and rainy and not summer like at gray and rainy and not summer like at all you know uh let's see what's the all you know uh let's see what's the all you know uh let's see what's the temperature 49 degrees oh my God temperature 49 degrees oh my God temperature 49 degrees oh my God Fahrenheit well don't be too soon you Fahrenheit well don't be too soon you Fahrenheit well don't be too soon you might be baking sooner than you'd like might be baking sooner than you'd like might be baking sooner than you'd like right so you never know you never know right so you never know you never know right so you never know you never know yeah surprisingly it's beautiful here in yeah surprisingly it's beautiful here in yeah surprisingly it's beautiful here in Taipei yeah yeah I thought it was going Taipei yeah yeah I thought it was going Taipei yeah yeah I thought it was going to be humid and super gross I mean I saw to be humid and super gross I mean I saw to be humid and super gross I mean I saw like um forecasts of like um forecasts of like um forecasts of 90° weather here you know probably at 90° weather here you know probably at 90° weather here you know probably at like 250 degrees of uh of humidity 250% like 250 degrees of uh of humidity 250% like 250 degrees of uh of humidity 250% humidity humidity humidity yeah trust you're literally swimming in yeah trust you're literally swimming in yeah trust you're literally swimming in the the the water you're breathing you're breathing water you're breathing you're breathing water you're breathing you're breathing water water water yeah like it's like when you're in yeah like it's like when you're in yeah like it's like when you're in Singapore right and you're just inhaling Singapore right and you're just inhaling Singapore right and you're just inhaling water yeah absolutely every day it's a water yeah absolutely every day it's a water yeah absolutely every day it's a drama yeah so the has your event started yet uh this uh freaking secret event um yet uh this uh freaking secret event um uh starts you guys will eventually find uh starts you guys will eventually find uh starts you guys will eventually find out what the hell it is but it starts out what the hell it is but it starts out what the hell it is but it starts tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow yeah tomorrow that's why I wanted to huh yeah tomorrow that's why I wanted to huh yeah tomorrow that's why I wanted to huh special spect I understood the Spectra special spect I understood the Spectra special spect I understood the Spectra even no no that's not it so you think even no no that's not it so you think even no no that's not it so you think you're there for something special don't you're there for something special don't you're there for something special don't you is that what they told

you is that what they told you is that what they told you yeah well you know I I go to embargo you yeah well you know I I go to embargo you yeah well you know I I go to embargo at events occasionally so yeah um not at events occasionally so yeah um not at events occasionally so yeah um not allowed to talk about stuff okay uh yeah allowed to talk about stuff okay uh yeah allowed to talk about stuff okay uh yeah right anyway uh it should be pretty cool right anyway uh it should be pretty cool right anyway uh it should be pretty cool um yeah I can say is you know I also be um yeah I can say is you know I also be um yeah I can say is you know I also be here for computex so I'll be here over here for computex so I'll be here over here for computex so I'll be here over pretty much most of that event it's a 4 pretty much most of that event it's a 4 pretty much most of that event it's a 4 Day event I'll be here on uh Tuesday Day event I'll be here on uh Tuesday Day event I'll be here on uh Tuesday Wednesday no T Monday Tuesday Wednesday Wednesday no T Monday Tuesday Wednesday Wednesday no T Monday Tuesday Wednesday okay yeah and yeah this is my f can you okay yeah and yeah this is my f can you okay yeah and yeah this is my f can you believe it it's my first time in Taipei believe it it's my first time in Taipei believe it it's my first time in Taipei really yeah I I used to travel to Asia really yeah I I used to travel to Asia really yeah I I used to travel to Asia almost like on a you know other you know almost like on a you know other you know almost like on a you know other you know twice a week or twice a month basis and twice a week or twice a month basis and twice a week or twice a month basis and yeah ever ended up here and uh it's yeah ever ended up here and uh it's yeah ever ended up here and uh it's pretty cool it's it's it's pretty cool it's it's it's pretty cool it's it's it's um uh how would you describe it one of a um uh how would you describe it one of a um uh how would you describe it one of a qualcon friend of mine that I HED into qualcon friend of mine that I HED into qualcon friend of mine that I HED into on the plane ride over here described it on the plane ride over here described it on the plane ride over here described it as uh like as uh like as uh like Soul Korea in the '90s which I don't Soul Korea in the '90s which I don't Soul Korea in the '90s which I don't know if that's an insult but I don't know if that's an insult but I don't know if that's an insult but I don't think he meant it that way so any think he meant it that way so any think he meant it that way so any Taiwanese out there who who are Taiwanese out there who who are Taiwanese out there who who are listening to this don't be listening to this don't be listening to this don't be offended you know it's just um Koreans

offended you know it's just um Koreans offended you know it's just um Koreans are they've been they've been nutty and are they've been they've been nutty and are they've been they've been nutty and just like tearing down buildings and and just like tearing down buildings and and just like tearing down buildings and and old neighborhoods and building them back old neighborhoods and building them back old neighborhoods and building them back up so these guys have taipe is a pretty up so these guys have taipe is a pretty up so these guys have taipe is a pretty it's a really cool place it's like uh it's a really cool place it's like uh it's a really cool place it's like uh it's got a little grit to it for sure it's got a little grit to it for sure it's got a little grit to it for sure got grit there you go sweaty buildings got grit there you go sweaty buildings got grit there you go sweaty buildings as I call it kind of sweaty building as I call it kind of sweaty building as I call it kind of sweaty building it's in a it's actually circled by it's in a it's actually circled by it's in a it's actually circled by Mountain so it has a little you talked Mountain so it has a little you talked Mountain so it has a little you talked about the weather it's got a little bit about the weather it's got a little bit about the weather it's got a little bit of a funky weather pattern there because of a funky weather pattern there because of a funky weather pattern there because the unfortunately I mean years ago the the unfortunately I mean years ago the the unfortunately I mean years ago the pollution was worse it's better now but pollution was worse it's better now but pollution was worse it's better now but oh yeah of the air would sort of settle oh yeah of the air would sort of settle oh yeah of the air would sort of settle on in there and um on in there and um on in there and um yeah H yeah yeah it's good get some yeah H yeah yeah it's good get some yeah H yeah yeah it's good get some bubble tea when you're there yeah there bubble tea when you're there yeah there bubble tea when you're there yeah there you go when I think computex my last you go when I think computex my last you go when I think computex my last memory of it or why it's burned into my memory of it or why it's burned into my memory of it or why it's burned into my brain is Steve sinowski at computex brain is Steve sinowski at computex brain is Steve sinowski at computex showing off the stripped down first showing off the stripped down first showing off the stripped down first version of Windows 8 running on arm like version of Windows 8 running on arm like version of Windows 8 running on arm like while Windows 8 was in development and while Windows 8 was in development and while Windows 8 was in development and it was such a big deal to say look it was such a big deal to say look it was such a big deal to say look Windows is running on arm processors Windows is running on arm processors Windows is running on arm processors magic you magic you magic you know well yeah well you know I mean know well yeah well you know I mean know well yeah well you know I mean that's like a huge deal at the moment that's like a huge deal at the moment that's like a huge deal at the moment right right right windows on arm because of qualcomm's X windows on arm because of qualcomm's X windows on arm because of qualcomm's X Series yeah and no Series yeah and no Series yeah and no doubt I doubt I doubt I mean I'm wondering who's giving the most mean I'm wondering who's giving the most mean I'm wondering who's giving the most is is it doable because the new Qualcomm

is is it doable because the new Qualcomm is is it doable because the new Qualcomm what is it X Elite or whatever Elite X what is it X Elite or whatever Elite X what is it X Elite or whatever Elite X is so powerful that Windows finally runs is so powerful that Windows finally runs is so powerful that Windows finally runs good enough or or the is the windows good enough or or the is the windows good enough or or the is the windows core team doing anything to optimize the core team doing anything to optimize the core team doing anything to optimize the operating system I mean I don't know operating system I mean I don't know operating system I mean I don't know yeah I think it's a little bit of all of yeah I think it's a little bit of all of yeah I think it's a little bit of all of that you know um I think Qualcomm needed that you know um I think Qualcomm needed that you know um I think Qualcomm needed um to deliver on performance and now um to deliver on performance and now um to deliver on performance and now power power you know power efficiency power power you know power efficiency power power you know power efficiency for performance right yeah to get for performance right yeah to get for performance right yeah to get advocacy from Microsoft and I mean if advocacy from Microsoft and I mean if advocacy from Microsoft and I mean if you've listened in on build and you went you've listened in on build and you went you've listened in on build and you went to the pre you know so I I did the whole to the pre you know so I I did the whole to the pre you know so I I did the whole pre-event stuff pre-event stuff pre-event stuff uh man they uh man they uh man they like you know you didn't really hear like you know you didn't really hear like you know you didn't really hear Microsoft put like Windows forarm front Microsoft put like Windows forarm front Microsoft put like Windows forarm front and center probably since back in the and center probably since back in the and center probably since back in the day with u Windows 8 right right that day with u Windows 8 right right that day with u Windows 8 right right that first the RT what is it that's right first the RT what is it that's right first the RT what is it that's right Surface RT right yeah which oddly yeah Surface RT right yeah which oddly yeah Surface RT right yeah which oddly yeah it's interesting that that ran on a I it's interesting that that ran on a I it's interesting that that ran on a I think I have three of think I have three of think I have three of those someone's got a those in their those someone's got a those in their those someone's got a those in their garage that was like a fairly useless garage that was like a fairly useless garage that was like a fairly useless device right um I remember tinkering device right um I remember tinkering device right um I remember tinkering around with it and yeah okay yeah get around with it and yeah okay yeah get around with it and yeah okay yeah get the get the very useless maybe the in the get the very useless maybe the in the get the very useless maybe the in version yeah right um and so yeah I mean

version yeah right um and so yeah I mean version yeah right um and so yeah I mean they have have track a lot of traction they have have track a lot of traction they have have track a lot of traction even from the oems who uh seem to even from the oems who uh seem to even from the oems who uh seem to embrace it um yeah so we'll see I mean embrace it um yeah so we'll see I mean embrace it um yeah so we'll see I mean these things are coming out on June 16th these things are coming out on June 16th these things are coming out on June 16th or at least the first okay first batches or at least the first okay first batches or at least the first okay first batches of them I think um yeah uh of them I think um yeah uh of them I think um yeah uh Lenovo uh Lenovo uh Lenovo uh HP Acer and Asus yeah Microsoft HP Acer and Asus yeah Microsoft HP Acer and Asus yeah Microsoft obviously Microsoft Surface yeah yeah obviously Microsoft Surface yeah yeah obviously Microsoft Surface yeah yeah how the Chrome browser now is now arm how the Chrome browser now is now arm how the Chrome browser now is now arm compiled so that's a big one oh wow okay compiled so that's a big one oh wow okay compiled so that's a big one oh wow okay previously you had to run Chrome it's a previously you had to run Chrome it's a previously you had to run Chrome it's a like a 64 bit emulated like a 64 bit emulated like a 64 bit emulated yeah x86 to x64 to arm translation now yeah x86 to x64 to arm translation now yeah x86 to x64 to arm translation now it's native and if you look at apps it it's native and if you look at apps it it's native and if you look at apps it run on the PC if you look at the run on the PC if you look at the run on the PC if you look at the Telemetry it's um other than office Telemetry it's um other than office Telemetry it's um other than office office apps Chrome is probably maybe office apps Chrome is probably maybe office apps Chrome is probably maybe zoom's up there too but uh yeah yeah but zoom's up there too but uh yeah yeah but zoom's up there too but uh yeah yeah but having Chrome in the native is pretty having Chrome in the native is pretty having Chrome in the native is pretty pretty rocking so that is so yeah should pretty rocking so that is so yeah should pretty rocking so that is so yeah should be should be really nice nice devices be should be really nice nice devices be should be really nice nice devices yeah yeah um all our at our kids stuff yeah yeah um all our at our kids stuff yeah yeah um all our at our kids stuff there is always such demand and talk for there is always such demand and talk for there is always such demand and talk for Chromebooks in Chromebooks in Chromebooks in schools um and I get why over time you schools um and I get why over time you schools um and I get why over time you know when I hear my school teacher wife know when I hear my school teacher wife know when I hear my school teacher wife talking about the IT department at the talking about the IT department at the talking about the IT department at the school district and how the kids because school district and how the kids because school district and how the kids because they're all running Windows in in our they're all running Windows in in our they're all running Windows in in our school district and there's too much for

school district and there's too much for school district and there's too much for things to go wrong or too many things things to go wrong or too many things things to go wrong or too many things for kids to fiddle with to mess with and for kids to fiddle with to mess with and for kids to fiddle with to mess with and and so over time they create all their and so over time they create all their and so over time they create all their own problems essentially because Windows own problems essentially because Windows own problems essentially because Windows let you just do too much and so after a let you just do too much and so after a let you just do too much and so after a while you go you know what I get the while you go you know what I get the while you go you know what I get the vibe for Chromebooks it's just a browser vibe for Chromebooks it's just a browser vibe for Chromebooks it's just a browser there's less to go wrong less to change there's less to go wrong less to change there's less to go wrong less to change you know less to screw up um yeah you you know less to screw up um yeah you you know less to screw up um yeah you know run everything on the web if you know run everything on the web if you know run everything on the web if you can if you have the bandwidth I guess can if you have the bandwidth I guess can if you have the bandwidth I guess you know depends on School you know depends on School you know depends on School District yeah I think that was the District yeah I think that was the District yeah I think that was the hope yeah yeah so many I I so many exams hope yeah yeah so many I I so many exams hope yeah yeah so many I I so many exams and tests and things now are are web- and tests and things now are are web- and tests and things now are are web- based um uh that I hear about from her based um uh that I hear about from her based um uh that I hear about from her and so it's like oh I guess you really and so it's like oh I guess you really and so it's like oh I guess you really can get away with for the most part I can get away with for the most part I can get away with for the most part I guess of course this is also why kids guess of course this is also why kids guess of course this is also why kids are indoctrinated into sheets and docks are indoctrinated into sheets and docks are indoctrinated into sheets and docks and all that other and all that other and all that other stuff yeah yeah I know um stuff yeah yeah I know um stuff yeah yeah I know um um but oddly Chromebooks have become um but oddly Chromebooks have become um but oddly Chromebooks have become heavier and heavier you know they've heavier and heavier you know they've heavier and heavier you know they've been loading more stuff into those been loading more stuff into those been loading more stuff into those things yeah so it's interesting I mean things yeah so it's interesting I mean things yeah so it's interesting I mean you know it's it's weird we you know I you know it's it's weird we you know I you know it's it's weird we you know I think it was like maybe three years think it was like maybe three years think it was like maybe three years three years ago probably everybody was three years ago probably everybody was three years ago probably everybody was talking so much about oddly it coincides talking so much about oddly it coincides talking so much about oddly it coincides with covid but talking about everything with covid but talking about everything with covid but talking about everything being you know cloud cloudbased and uh being you know cloud cloudbased and uh being you know cloud cloudbased and uh what is it um you know uh cloud or

what is it um you know uh cloud or what is it um you know uh cloud or server based server based server based XYZ um and every everything all XYZ um and every everything all XYZ um and every everything all applications would be you know browser applications would be you know browser applications would be you know browser based based based and you know gaming is the perfect and you know gaming is the perfect and you know gaming is the perfect example but then maybe yeah uh but example but then maybe yeah uh but example but then maybe yeah uh but everyone's just going back toward to hey everyone's just going back toward to hey everyone's just going back toward to hey let's just um do a semi heavy client let's just um do a semi heavy client let's just um do a semi heavy client version let's just install something version let's just install something version let's just install something locally to make it lower latency higher locally to make it lower latency higher locally to make it lower latency higher interactivity so this this like goes interactivity so this this like goes interactivity so this this like goes back to like what the the late 90s when back to like what the the late 90s when back to like what the the late 90s when Compu zero what is it zero Compu zero what is it zero Compu zero what is it zero client clients Network computers there's like nothing everyone computers there's like nothing everyone overestimated how networks are gonna overestimated how networks are gonna overestimated how networks are gonna be HTML and JavaScript and next as fast be HTML and JavaScript and next as fast be HTML and JavaScript and next as fast as everyone said that yeah it's like hey as everyone said that yeah it's like hey as everyone said that yeah it's like hey let's we have a SC called high let's we have a SC called high let's we have a SC called high interactivity we're just gonna load a interactivity we're just gonna load a interactivity we're just gonna load a frap ton of plugins on your frap ton of plugins on your frap ton of plugins on your browser and then um you know and um you browser and then um you know and um you browser and then um you know and um you know make our make our application look know make our make our application look know make our make our application look like it's a Windows app you know a lot like it's a Windows app you know a lot like it's a Windows app you know a lot of Android a lot of Android stuff is of Android a lot of Android stuff is of Android a lot of Android stuff is finding their way on the finding their way on the finding their way on the Chrome book Chrome book Chrome book and and I think part of the HTML 5 was and and I think part of the HTML 5 was and and I think part of the HTML 5 was design yes to enable a lot uh computers but

yes to enable a lot uh computers but yeah it didn't yeah it didn't yeah it didn't work well you know work well you know work well you know yeah but all the web RTC guys are trying yeah but all the web RTC guys are trying yeah but all the web RTC guys are trying to make that stuff they're trying to to make that stuff they're trying to to make that stuff they're trying to rise the rec again right lot well I mean rise the rec again right lot well I mean rise the rec again right lot well I mean you're right we're using Zoom here as a you're right we're using Zoom here as a you're right we're using Zoom here as a native client but you're right if you go native client but you're right if you go native client but you're right if you go to well almost even all the native to well almost even all the native to well almost even all the native clients have a web only version that's clients have a web only version that's clients have a web only version that's using web RTC uh Google meet is 100% using web RTC uh Google meet is 100% using web RTC uh Google meet is 100% yeah yeah yeah RTC uh you know uh teams if you don't RTC uh you know uh teams if you don't RTC uh you know uh teams if you don't have the client they like oh use the web have the client they like oh use the web have the client they like oh use the web you know or whatever um yeah so I I was you know or whatever um yeah so I I was you know or whatever um yeah so I I was so thrilled with HTML 5 and all the so thrilled with HTML 5 and all the so thrilled with HTML 5 and all the capabilities it had and a lot of people capabilities it had and a lot of people capabilities it had and a lot of people bought into it including our good friend bought into it including our good friend bought into it including our good friend Mark Zuckerberg when they decided to Mark Zuckerberg when they decided to Mark Zuckerberg when they decided to build their Facebook app using you build their Facebook app using you build their Facebook app using you remember there's the hybrid apps where remember there's the hybrid apps where remember there's the hybrid apps where it's kind of a native shell but inside it's kind of a native shell but inside it's kind of a native shell but inside it's all web and since HTML 5 can do it's all web and since HTML 5 can do it's all web and since HTML 5 can do everything they launched Facebook that everything they launched Facebook that everything they launched Facebook that was years ago as an HTML 5 client it was was years ago as an HTML 5 client it was was years ago as an HTML 5 client it was a disaster cuz the performance sucked it a disaster cuz the performance sucked it a disaster cuz the performance sucked it was sluggish it was you know um it was was sluggish it was you know um it was was sluggish it was you know um it was your computer's fault it was uh in my your computer's fault it was uh in my your computer's fault it was uh in my computer work yeah yeah you know it's so computer work yeah yeah you know it's so computer work yeah yeah you know it's so interesting you always can say you interesting you always can say you interesting you always can say you always can say it works in my computer always can say it works in my computer always can say it works in my computer that's right that's right yes um which that's right that's right yes um which that's right that's right yes um which is now why Docker just says it works on is now why Docker just says it works on is now why Docker just says it works on your computer and we're just going to your computer and we're just going to your computer and we're just going to ship your computer to somewhere else in

ship your computer to somewhere else in ship your computer to somewhere else in the stalker container so that it still the stalker container so that it still the stalker container so that it still works works works yeah and and you know that's where yeah and and you know that's where yeah and and you know that's where everyone's going with um so with on the everyone's going with um so with on the everyone's going with um so with on the the on device AI I mean it makes a lot the on device AI I mean it makes a lot the on device AI I mean it makes a lot of sense for um makes a lot of sense for of sense for um makes a lot of sense for of sense for um makes a lot of sense for developers right because if you're going developers right because if you're going developers right because if you're going to deploy like a freaking language model to deploy like a freaking language model to deploy like a freaking language model of whatever size whether it's a you know of whatever size whether it's a you know of whatever size whether it's a you know too big for your device language model too big for your device language model too big for your device language model or a small language model I mean think or a small language model I mean think or a small language model I mean think about it for a lot of the let's say about it for a lot of the let's say about it for a lot of the let's say creative applications that you might creative applications that you might creative applications that you might leverage generative AI for is going to leverage generative AI for is going to leverage generative AI for is going to be very iterative so you're you're be very iterative so you're you're be very iterative so you're you're generating tokens over and over again generating tokens over and over again generating tokens over and over again most of them wasted because it's just most of them wasted because it's just most of them wasted because it's just spewing out junk uh and um yeah it makes spewing out junk uh and um yeah it makes spewing out junk uh and um yeah it makes sense to do it locally and you really sense to do it locally and you really sense to do it locally and you really don't I mean that you'll start to it'll don't I mean that you'll start to it'll don't I mean that you'll start to it'll start to become cost prohibitive for start to become cost prohibitive for start to become cost prohibitive for either the developer or the the uh user either the developer or the the uh user either the developer or the the uh user if they use cloud resources right so I if they use cloud resources right so I if they use cloud resources right so I don't think you know this whole idea don't think you know this whole idea don't think you know this whole idea that you're going to do everything in that you're going to do everything in that you're going to do everything in the cloud just constantly struggles and the cloud just constantly struggles and the cloud just constantly struggles and then you hear like uh that even the AWS then you hear like uh that even the AWS then you hear like uh that even the AWS guys uh guys who basically created the guys uh guys who basically created the guys uh guys who basically created the Mantra there everything goes to the Mantra there everything goes to the Mantra there everything goes to the cloud and Cloud first to even talk about cloud and Cloud first to even talk about cloud and Cloud first to even talk about hey look you know only 15% of Enterprise hey look you know only 15% of Enterprise hey look you know only 15% of Enterprise workloads are running in the

workloads are running in the workloads are running in the cloud uh and um you know it's just proof cloud uh and um you know it's just proof cloud uh and um you know it's just proof that even after what 15 that even after what 15 that even after what 15 years there's still a lot of stuff that years there's still a lot of stuff that years there's still a lot of stuff that runs uh across the quote unquote Edge as runs uh across the quote unquote Edge as runs uh across the quote unquote Edge as well as on Prem so um right it's almost well as on Prem so um right it's almost well as on Prem so um right it's almost like what you know stop talking about it like what you know stop talking about it like what you know stop talking about it just put applications place them just put applications place them just put applications place them wherever the hell they make sense and wherever the hell they make sense and wherever the hell they make sense and and devices will continue and they and devices will continue and they and devices will continue and they always have continue to get more always have continue to get more always have continue to get more powerful and people will pay for them so powerful and people will pay for them so powerful and people will pay for them so stop it stop trying to make this $2 stop it stop trying to make this $2 stop it stop trying to make this $2 dollar freaking you dollar freaking you dollar freaking you know digital piece of paper with no know digital piece of paper with no know digital piece of paper with no memory and no processor and is powered memory and no processor and is powered memory and no processor and is powered by your body heat you know W that sounds by your body heat you know W that sounds by your body heat you know W that sounds really cool how do we get that wait a really cool how do we get that wait a really cool how do we get that wait a second that's why we need stuff at the second that's why we need stuff at the second that's why we need stuff at the edge because bolena needs to deploy apps edge because bolena needs to deploy apps edge because bolena needs to deploy apps to to to it yeah that's the only reason it yeah that's the only reason it yeah that's the only reason your raspberry pie or your thin piece of your raspberry pie or your thin piece of your raspberry pie or your thin piece of paper that's powered by body heat paper that's powered by body heat paper that's powered by body heat whatever it takes oh my gosh digital paper use takes oh my gosh digital paper use energy harvesting that's right I hear energy harvesting that's right I hear energy harvesting that's right I hear people say that all the time oh you people say that all the time oh you people say that all the time oh you don't need that Rob we do energy don't need that Rob we do energy don't need that Rob we do energy harvesting for these Farm sensors I'm harvesting for these Farm sensors I'm harvesting for these Farm sensors I'm like oh go ahead and show me all these like oh go ahead and show me all these like oh go ahead and show me all these sensors you're talking about oh you sensors you're talking about oh you sensors you're talking about oh you can't show me can you it's a white paper

can't show me can you it's a white paper can't show me can you it's a white paper or it's a demo or it's a demo or it's a demo just with a solar panel from your just with a solar panel from your just with a solar panel from your calculator you have enough power to send calculator you have enough power to send calculator you have enough power to send every second data from your sensors every second data from your sensors every second data from your sensors right right through cellular n cellular right right through cellular n cellular right right through cellular n cellular connectivity yeah exactly exactly oh my connectivity yeah exactly exactly oh my connectivity yeah exactly exactly oh my gosh man gosh man gosh man times really crazy yeah so I this should times really crazy yeah so I this should times really crazy yeah so I this should be interesting I've never so you guys be interesting I've never so you guys be interesting I've never so you guys have been to comp compy Tex right who have been to comp compy Tex right who have been to comp compy Tex right who who's been to compy Tex I haven't been who's been to compy Tex I haven't been who's been to compy Tex I haven't been none of you oh wow okay so I'll be the none of you oh wow okay so I'll be the none of you oh wow okay so I'll be the first yeah no I was there I was there I first yeah no I was there I was there I first yeah no I was there I was there I don't know years ago few years ago yeah don't know years ago few years ago yeah don't know years ago few years ago yeah all right yeah so I'm sure it changed a all right yeah so I'm sure it changed a all right yeah so I'm sure it changed a lot a lot of fun yeah my energy show is lot a lot of fun yeah my energy show is lot a lot of fun yeah my energy show is like that Auditorium where they do the like that Auditorium where they do the like that Auditorium where they do the big uh I don't know if qualcomm's gonna big uh I don't know if qualcomm's gonna big uh I don't know if qualcomm's gonna have a big thing on stage or Intel they have a big thing on stage or Intel they have a big thing on stage or Intel they usually have some usually have some usually have some big that Auditorium there and big that Auditorium there and big that Auditorium there and stuff yeah I mean it's crazy dude like stuff yeah I mean it's crazy dude like stuff yeah I mean it's crazy dude like the first two days my my schedule is the first two days my my schedule is the first two days my my schedule is like packed with all these these things like packed with all these these things like packed with all these these things you know like q&as with like you know um you know like q&as with like you know um you know like q&as with like you know um all the CEOs of the the big big all the CEOs of the the big big all the CEOs of the the big big semiconductor companies so yeah I don't semiconductor companies so yeah I don't semiconductor companies so yeah I don't know they're probably just going to say know they're probably just going to say know they're probably just going to say the same stuff and so um and you know the same stuff and so um and you know the same stuff and so um and you know that's the tricky thing is you you that's the tricky thing is you you that's the tricky thing is you you get you um get pre-brief on a lot of get you um get pre-brief on a lot of get you um get pre-brief on a lot of stuff um beforehand so right you know

stuff um beforehand so right you know stuff um beforehand so right you know it's like okay do I do you know what it's like okay do I do you know what it's like okay do I do you know what this sounds like I spend my time to this sounds like I spend my time to this sounds like I spend my time to listen to you know stuff read to me you listen to you know stuff read to me you listen to you know stuff read to me you know read Stu to you and it's going to know read Stu to you and it's going to know read Stu to you and it's going to be embargoed and they're going to tell be embargoed and they're going to tell be embargoed and they're going to tell you and you're G to write it down or you and you're G to write it down or you and you're G to write it down or you'll have your little dictaphone you'll have your little dictaphone you'll have your little dictaphone listening recording yeah and then when listening recording yeah and then when listening recording yeah and then when it's not embargoed you're gonna have it's not embargoed you're gonna have it's not embargoed you're gonna have your article come out where you your article come out where you your article come out where you regurgitated what they read to you and regurgitated what they read to you and regurgitated what they read to you and that's the whole game of being an that's the whole game of being an that's the whole game of being an analyst right yeah well for a lot of analyst right yeah well for a lot of analyst right yeah well for a lot of folks I mean that's but you know they folks I mean that's but you know they folks I mean that's but you know they they want to put their little analyst they want to put their little analyst they want to put their little analyst analysis thing in the bottom you know analysis thing in the bottom you know analysis thing in the bottom you know your your your opinion yeah yeah so um all right opinion yeah yeah so um all right opinion yeah yeah so um all right perspectives perspectives you know what perspectives perspectives you know what perspectives perspectives you know what this sounds like to me context uhuh this this sounds like to me context uhuh this this sounds like to me context uhuh this sounds like because I know some people sounds like because I know some people sounds like because I know some people including my son that are movie including my son that are movie including my son that are movie reviewers and they get to go to the pre reviewers and they get to go to the pre reviewers and they get to go to the pre screenings of the movies you know before screenings of the movies you know before screenings of the movies you know before they come in theaters and it's embargoed they come in theaters and it's embargoed they come in theaters and it's embargoed and they watch it and they write their and they watch it and they write their and they watch it and they write their stuff and they got to wait and then they stuff and they got to wait and then they stuff and they got to wait and then they come out and then it's all these reviews come out and then it's all these reviews come out and then it's all these reviews and you know I think the new Furioso and you know I think the new Furioso and you know I think the new Furioso movie is not as good as Fury Road you movie is not as good as Fury Road you movie is not as good as Fury Road you know stuff like that so I really think know stuff like that so I really think know stuff like that so I really think it's the same thing you're basically it's the same thing you're basically it's the same thing you're basically movie reviewer Leonard I'm I'm a movie movie reviewer Leonard I'm I'm a movie movie reviewer Leonard I'm I'm a movie critic I'm I am Roger eert you're Roger critic I'm I am Roger eert you're Roger critic I'm I am Roger eert you're Roger Ebert yeah yeah yes I don't I I just Ebert yeah yeah yes I don't I I just Ebert yeah yeah yes I don't I I just don't have popcorn and I do have the don't have popcorn and I do have the don't have popcorn and I do have the glasses yeah yeah that's right there's

glasses yeah yeah that's right there's glasses yeah yeah that's right there's that yeah fun or being asked I kind of that yeah fun or being asked I kind of that yeah fun or being asked I kind of brought that up actually today oddly and brought that up actually today oddly and brought that up actually today oddly and we have like a minute and a half left so we have like a minute and a half left so we have like a minute and a half left so yes we do I'm so glad that we have the yes we do I'm so glad that we have the yes we do I'm so glad that we have the countdown timer on my lame 40 minute countdown timer on my lame 40 minute countdown timer on my lame 40 minute recording here but you know that's good recording here but you know that's good recording here but you know that's good it's good to know we're short and sweet it's good to know we're short and sweet it's good to know we're short and sweet talk full of good stuff it was even talk full of good stuff it was even talk full of good stuff it was even shorter it could be on Tik Tok and Tik shorter it could be on Tik Tok and Tik shorter it could be on Tik Tok and Tik Tok limit like 30 minutes there you go Tok limit like 30 minutes there you go Tok limit like 30 minutes there you go yeah well what they say is if I had more yeah well what they say is if I had more yeah well what they say is if I had more time I'd write a shorter book you know time I'd write a shorter book you know time I'd write a shorter book you know soes soes soes yeah that oh my gosh that's good stuff yeah that oh my gosh that's good stuff yeah that oh my gosh that's good stuff all right well enjoy taipe Leonard all right well enjoy taipe Leonard all right well enjoy taipe Leonard you'll have you have good time there I'm you'll have you have good time there I'm you'll have you have good time there I'm sure yeah do some karaoke too they have sure yeah do some karaoke too they have sure yeah do some karaoke too they have some good karaoke bars some good karaoke bars some good karaoke bars there voice yep everyone thanks a lot uh there voice yep everyone thanks a lot uh there voice yep everyone thanks a lot uh for joining us uh remember donate to uh for joining us uh remember donate to uh for joining us uh remember donate to uh Elevate our kids at www. elevar kids.org Elevate our kids at www. elevar kids.org Elevate our kids at www. elevar kids.org click like Kiss us love us there you go click like Kiss us love us there you go click like Kiss us love us there you go give us hearts and we will see you next give us hearts and we will see you next give us hearts and we will see you next week reporting live from taipe week reporting live from taipe week reporting live from taipe Taiwan this is Leonard Lee and the iot Taiwan this is Leonard Lee and the iot Taiwan this is Leonard Lee and the iot coffee talk crew signing off signing off coffee talk crew signing off signing off coffee talk crew signing off signing off adios people adios people adios people [Music]