IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 226 - Remember 9.11

come come on come come on [Music] [Applause] [Applause] in the in the in the USA very impressive very impressive well USA very impressive very impressive well USA very impressive very impressive well done well done yes is hard to get all done well done yes is hard to get all done well done yes is hard to get all the parts the parts the parts in but we'll make it sound nice there's in but we'll make it sound nice there's in but we'll make it sound nice there's a good if people are Springsteen fans a good if people are Springsteen fans a good if people are Springsteen fans out there there's a book that came out out there there's a book that came out out there there's a book that came out about a year ago about him writing the about a year ago about him writing the about a year ago about him writing the album Nebraska uhhuh and uh he wrote album Nebraska uhhuh and uh he wrote album Nebraska uhhuh and uh he wrote Born in the USA a lot of those songs on Born in the USA a lot of those songs on Born in the USA a lot of those songs on that album at the same time as Nebraska that album at the same time as Nebraska that album at the same time as Nebraska and he just sort of came out with you and he just sort of came out with you and he just sort of came out with you know and he was going through a lot of know and he was going through a lot of know and he was going through a lot of different things and so some songs were different things and so some songs were different things and so some songs were just Nebraska songs and others made it just Nebraska songs and others made it just Nebraska songs and others made it onto the Born in the USA album but it's onto the Born in the USA album but it's onto the Born in the USA album but it's a really good uh book uh I don't know a really good uh book uh I don't know a really good uh book uh I don't know it's on Amazon I forgot the name of it it's on Amazon I forgot the name of it it's on Amazon I forgot the name of it but people are into that stuff uh it's but people are into that stuff uh it's but people are into that stuff uh it's pretty fascinating yeah hold on one sec pretty fascinating yeah hold on one sec pretty fascinating yeah hold on one sec okay family I don't hear anything so yeah

family I don't hear anything so yeah well that that's the whole point right well that that's the whole point right well that that's the whole point right and I probably shouldn't have told you and I probably shouldn't have told you and I probably shouldn't have told you then I could have gotten away with not then I could have gotten away with not then I could have gotten away with not telling the entire world that I just telling the entire world that I just telling the entire world that I just yelled up my I didn't in Anger is yelled up my I didn't in Anger is yelled up my I didn't in Anger is because of you know distance you know no because of you know distance you know no because of you know distance you know no I know no yeah every so often I'm on I know no yeah every so often I'm on I know no yeah every so often I'm on something and recording something and something and recording something and something and recording something and then somebody starts making a smoothie then somebody starts making a smoothie then somebody starts making a smoothie you know and it's like can you stop you know and it's like can you stop you know and it's like can you stop making smoothies right now right right making smoothies right now right right making smoothies right now right right but usually what you're going to do is but usually what you're going to do is but usually what you're going to do is you're basically pause the recording you're basically pause the recording you're basically pause the recording right so um hey a moment of once Rob right so um hey a moment of once Rob right so um hey a moment of once Rob gets on we're going to do a silence for gets on we're going to do a silence for gets on we're going to do a silence for 911 yes do our 911 911 yes do our 911 911 yes do our 911 tribute so um hey Rob how's it going tribute so um hey Rob how's it going tribute so um hey Rob how's it going good how are you doing wonderful good how are you doing wonderful good how are you doing wonderful wonderful you look wonderful you look wonderful you look great analyst great analyst great analyst professional oh yeah yeah so professional oh yeah yeah so professional oh yeah yeah so you have the veneer of professionality you have the veneer of professionality you have the veneer of professionality there is that's you nailed it dude it's there is that's you nailed it dude it's there is that's you nailed it dude it's it's just the veneer it's just the veneer it's just the veneer just very Unbecoming of just very Unbecoming of just very Unbecoming of you I know oh my God oh my God crazy how you I know oh my God oh my God crazy how you I know oh my God oh my God crazy how are you are you are you doing I tell you I woke up this morning doing I tell you I woke up this morning doing I tell you I woke up this morning I thought the building was on fire uh I thought the building was on fire uh I thought the building was on fire uh because it smelled like smoke and then I because it smelled like smoke and then I because it smelled like smoke and then I looked outside the entire city of Vegas looked outside the entire city of Vegas looked outside the entire city of Vegas is just blanketed in deep smoke is just blanketed in deep smoke is just blanketed in deep smoke California fires California fires California fires yeah there three different fires in yeah there three different fires in yeah there three different fires in California the smokes blowing this way

California the smokes blowing this way California the smokes blowing this way the Vegas so it's yeah pretty bad know the Vegas so it's yeah pretty bad know the Vegas so it's yeah pretty bad know pretty late in the season I hate to say pretty late in the season I hate to say pretty late in the season I hate to say that yeah so really quickly hey everyone that yeah so really quickly hey everyone that yeah so really quickly hey everyone welcome to iot coffee welcome to iot coffee welcome to iot coffee talk to be known as the collect the talk to be known as the collect the talk to be known as the collect the collective perspective right not miss collective perspective right not miss collective perspective right not miss not not throwing tomatoes with not not throwing tomatoes with not not throwing tomatoes with Rob perspective oh that is really that's Rob perspective oh that is really that's Rob perspective oh that is really that's what it looks that's what it looks like what it looks that's what it looks like what it looks that's what it looks like outside wow it's quite Blade Runner outside wow it's quite Blade Runner outside wow it's quite Blade Runner esque it is blade runes all I can do is esque it is blade runes all I can do is esque it is blade runes all I can do is focus on the sphere the SPH we had to focus on the sphere the SPH we had to focus on the sphere the SPH we had to pay we had to pay extra to get the Blade pay we had to pay extra to get the Blade pay we had to pay extra to get the Blade Runner look going yeah yeah awesome Runner look going yeah yeah awesome Runner look going yeah yeah awesome awesome so hey we're gonna do we're awesome so hey we're gonna do we're awesome so hey we're gonna do we're going to do a u moment of silence uh on going to do a u moment of silence uh on going to do a u moment of silence uh on this day which is 911 this day which is 911 this day which is 911 in um memory of all those who were in um memory of all those who were in um memory of all those who were lost uh on that faithful day tragic day lost uh on that faithful day tragic day lost uh on that faithful day tragic day and so uh why don't we take a moment of and so uh why don't we take a moment of and so uh why don't we take a moment of silence here and we encourage everyone silence here and we encourage everyone silence here and we encourage everyone you know uh to as well because it was a you know uh to as well because it was a you know uh to as well because it was a world tragedy it was a global tragedy world tragedy it was a global tragedy world tragedy it was a global tragedy and a huge loss so okay I think that was good right um so

okay I think that was good right um so um yeah after all these years um yeah after all these years um yeah after all these years condolences to all the families who lost condolences to all the families who lost condolences to all the families who lost loved ones on that day and hard to loved ones on that day and hard to loved ones on that day and hard to believe 23 years ago I know it's unreal believe 23 years ago I know it's unreal believe 23 years ago I know it's unreal time time time flies and we've come come I remember flies and we've come come I remember flies and we've come come I remember remember being a kid um you know my remember being a kid um you know my remember being a kid um you know my grandparents my grandfather Granddad he grandparents my grandfather Granddad he grandparents my grandfather Granddad he was an executive with Equitable life was an executive with Equitable life was an executive with Equitable life insurance which was like in Rockefeller insurance which was like in Rockefeller insurance which was like in Rockefeller Center back that and uh well back way Center back that and uh well back way Center back that and uh well back way before then actually and so I remember before then actually and so I remember before then actually and so I remember being a kid and riding the train into being a kid and riding the train into being a kid and riding the train into New York with him from they lived in Old New York with him from they lived in Old New York with him from they lived in Old Greenwich Connecticut and and we' go in Greenwich Connecticut and and we' go in Greenwich Connecticut and and we' go in there and go up to but I remember there and go up to but I remember there and go up to but I remember getting to go he took me to lunch at getting to go he took me to lunch at getting to go he took me to lunch at windows on the world oh yeah and and windows on the world oh yeah and and windows on the world oh yeah and and that was so cool I was like was like that was so cool I was like was like that was so cool I was like was like yeah it's a NE Place fantastic yeah yeah it's a NE Place fantastic yeah yeah it's a NE Place fantastic yeah absolutely well let me tell you a crazy absolutely well let me tell you a crazy absolutely well let me tell you a crazy story so on um on September story so on um on September story so on um on September 10th um my parents were at the World 10th um my parents were at the World 10th um my parents were at the World Trade Center wow and they at the top Trade Center wow and they at the top Trade Center wow and they at the top yeah and they sent yeah and they sent yeah and they sent pictures dated right because back then pictures dated right because back then pictures dated right because back then you had the cameras that put the little you had the cameras that put the little you had the cameras that put the little that burn datk yeah yeah yeah yeah and that burn datk yeah yeah yeah yeah and that burn datk yeah yeah yeah yeah and then the next day yes of course everyone then the next day yes of course everyone then the next day yes of course everyone knows and I freaked out because I well knows and I freaked out because I well knows and I freaked out because I well you know there was no internet back then

you know there was no internet back then you know there was no internet back then I only saw those photos after the fact I only saw those photos after the fact I only saw those photos after the fact right yeah um my parents were there um right yeah um my parents were there um right yeah um my parents were there um in New York and then they took off from in New York and then they took off from in New York and then they took off from New York because they were they were New York because they were they were New York because they were they were freaking out right yeah headed to toward freaking out right yeah headed to toward freaking out right yeah headed to toward DC That was supposed to be their next DC That was supposed to be their next DC That was supposed to be their next stop and that's when you know the stop and that's when you know the stop and that's when you know the Pentagon got Pentagon got Pentagon got hit wow and so yeah they have photos of hit wow and so yeah they have photos of hit wow and so yeah they have photos of the last day that the towers were the last day that the towers were the last day that the towers were standing wow W isn't that freaky that is standing wow W isn't that freaky that is standing wow W isn't that freaky that is is freaky yeah yeah I could have lost my is freaky yeah yeah I could have lost my is freaky yeah yeah I could have lost my parents if it was just one day yeah I parents if it was just one day yeah I parents if it was just one day yeah I know I know it's scary so yeah it know I know it's scary so yeah it know I know it's scary so yeah it really how I know a lot of people always really how I know a lot of people always really how I know a lot of people always I a lot of people always thought of the I a lot of people always thought of the I a lot of people always thought of the Twin Towers is like this iconic Twin Towers is like this iconic Twin Towers is like this iconic representation of America and American representation of America and American representation of America and American strength yeah yeah you know that was the strength yeah yeah you know that was the strength yeah yeah you know that was the thing which is probably why they were thing which is probably why they were thing which is probably why they were targeted because they were iconic yeah targeted because they were iconic yeah targeted because they were iconic yeah exactly yeah remember the guy who did exactly yeah remember the guy who did exactly yeah remember the guy who did the tight work walk between the two towers that's right there's a great towers that's right there's a great movie about it actually a movie yeah movie about it actually a movie yeah movie about it actually a movie yeah there is yeah documentary it is really there is yeah documentary it is really there is yeah documentary it is really good actually seem really good and then good actually seem really good and then good actually seem really good and then of course there's you know the remake of of course there's you know the remake of of course there's you know the remake of Dino lenus version of King Kong where he Dino lenus version of King Kong where he Dino lenus version of King Kong where he climbs the twin towers that was didn't climbs the twin towers that was didn't climbs the twin towers that was didn't they build like the robot King Kong they

they build like the robot King Kong they they build like the robot King Kong they did yeah yeah something like life-size did yeah yeah something like life-size did yeah yeah something like life-size robot of King Kong or something and like robot of King Kong or something and like robot of King Kong or something and like yeah I remember they were filming in New yeah I remember they were filming in New yeah I remember they were filming in New York like they had the the the the ape York like they had the the the the ape York like they had the the the the ape like in the sidewalk like at the base of like in the sidewalk like at the base of like in the sidewalk like at the base of the Twin Tower they were like filming the Twin Tower they were like filming the Twin Tower they were like filming that like lifesize closing streets in that like lifesize closing streets in that like lifesize closing streets in New York City and stuff that was like in New York City and stuff that was like in New York City and stuff that was like in 76 75 yeah that's right yeah wow that's 76 75 yeah that's right yeah wow that's 76 75 yeah that's right yeah wow that's pretty crazy pretty Advanced Tech back pretty crazy pretty Advanced Tech back pretty crazy pretty Advanced Tech back then Jeff Bridges and Jessica Lane there then Jeff Bridges and Jessica Lane there then Jeff Bridges and Jessica Lane there you go see I now I made a cultural you go see I now I made a cultural you go see I now I made a cultural that's right that put her on the map that's right that put her on the map that's right that put her on the map didn't it yeah that was her big first didn't it yeah that was her big first didn't it yeah that was her big first big role yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure oh big role yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure oh big role yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure oh my gosh but you know the other thing I my gosh but you know the other thing I my gosh but you know the other thing I know a lot of people say this is they know a lot of people say this is they know a lot of people say this is they long for the feeling of September long for the feeling of September long for the feeling of September 12th um because Americans came together 12th um because Americans came together 12th um because Americans came together in such a way you know you know I know a in such a way you know you know I know a in such a way you know you know I know a lot of times everybody feels we're all lot of times everybody feels we're all lot of times everybody feels we're all we're all divided and we're all divided and we're all divided and stuff I'll tell you an anecdote we stuff I'll tell you an anecdote we stuff I'll tell you an anecdote we probably all have anecdote on but I probably all have anecdote on but I probably all have anecdote on but I because I I flew to the US on the 910 so because I I flew to the US on the 910 so because I I flew to the US on the 910 so the day the day the day before not to New York but to I was before not to New York but to I was before not to New York but to I was actually going to a Garner conference in actually going to a Garner conference in actually going to a Garner conference in Palm Spring so to Los Angeles there and Palm Spring so to Los Angeles there and Palm Spring so to Los Angeles there and and obvious the next morning I wake up and obvious the next morning I wake up and obvious the next morning I wake up at 5:00 a.m. because of jet lag and I go at 5:00 a.m. because of jet lag and I go at 5:00 a.m. because of jet lag and I go into the they had a little into the they had a little into the they had a little tube TV in the bathroom that gave me tube TV in the bathroom that gave me tube TV in the bathroom that gave me this nice room and I could see the CNN this nice room and I could see the CNN this nice room and I could see the CNN and the twin to smoking on that little and the twin to smoking on that little and the twin to smoking on that little screen I went out B oh shoot and to what screen I went out B oh shoot and to what screen I went out B oh shoot and to what I was surprised is because I was coming

I was surprised is because I was coming I was surprised is because I was coming the day before because I had a kind of the day before because I had a kind of the day before because I had a kind of pre preet show whatever it was so there pre preet show whatever it was so there pre preet show whatever it was so there was only three of us on the conference was only three of us on the conference was only three of us on the conference and everything got cancelled obviously and everything got cancelled obviously and everything got cancelled obviously but I drove the afternoon to Walmart and but I drove the afternoon to Walmart and but I drove the afternoon to Walmart and I was surprised seeing family bringing I was surprised seeing family bringing I was surprised seeing family bringing their their kids and buying some their their kids and buying some their their kids and buying some American FL and putting them on the car American FL and putting them on the car American FL and putting them on the car and all and all and all types remember that I remember that types remember that I remember that types remember that I remember that those were yeah yeah I wish we had that those were yeah yeah I wish we had that those were yeah yeah I wish we had that kind of unity all the time you know yeah kind of unity all the time you know yeah kind of unity all the time you know yeah I mean don't want to do any political I mean don't want to do any political I mean don't want to do any political references but no no you're you're right references but no no you're you're right references but no no you're you're right given what we witnessed at night yes we given what we witnessed at night yes we given what we witnessed at night yes we should remember all that yeah yeah you should remember all that yeah yeah you should remember all that yeah yeah you feel it for sure wow holy moly yeah so feel it for sure wow holy moly yeah so feel it for sure wow holy moly yeah so what is going on in Tech this week well what is going on in Tech this week well what is going on in Tech this week well oh that remember to take us seriously at oh that remember to take us seriously at oh that remember to take us seriously at your risk we have offloaded all of that your risk we have offloaded all of that your risk we have offloaded all of that onto you like a financial derivative onto you like a financial derivative onto you like a financial derivative we've like shipped that off offshore off we've like shipped that off offshore off we've like shipped that off offshore off Seas to investors this is an off Seas to investors this is an off Seas to investors this is an off book yeah transaction you're on your book yeah transaction you're on your book yeah transaction you're on your own transaction so yeah don't take us own transaction so yeah don't take us own transaction so yeah don't take us seriously this is um us having fun in seriously this is um us having fun in seriously this is um us having fun in other words for purposes other words for purposes other words for purposes only say that useful stuff doesn't come only say that useful stuff doesn't come only say that useful stuff doesn't come out of these rants but um uh but yeah we out of these rants but um uh but yeah we out of these rants but um uh but yeah we do it all for the kids people you know do it all for the kids people you know do it all for the kids people you know that's that's that's right talk is about Elevate our kids.org

right talk is about Elevate our kids.org right talk is about Elevate our kids.org and it's a charity uh that we started and it's a charity uh that we started and it's a charity uh that we started now four years ago okay and Stephanie now four years ago okay and Stephanie now four years ago okay and Stephanie Atkins is is the champion of this uh and Atkins is is the champion of this uh and Atkins is is the champion of this uh and the whole mission is to bridge the the whole mission is to bridge the the whole mission is to bridge the digital Equity divide for kids K through digital Equity divide for kids K through digital Equity divide for kids K through 12 and underserved and unserved 12 and underserved and unserved 12 and underserved and unserved communities and there's still a lot of communities and there's still a lot of communities and there's still a lot of them out there you know you have the them out there you know you have the them out there you know you have the whole beads thing going on but they whole beads thing going on but they whole beads thing going on but they still haven't you know bridged the still haven't you know bridged the still haven't you know bridged the digital divide they have the typical you digital divide they have the typical you digital divide they have the typical you know infighting and fighting over funds know infighting and fighting over funds know infighting and fighting over funds and allocations and all that stuff so and allocations and all that stuff so and allocations and all that stuff so you know you still have all these kids you know you still have all these kids you know you still have all these kids who don't have laptops and devices to to who don't have laptops and devices to to who don't have laptops and devices to to engage them in all the digital fantastic engage them in all the digital fantastic engage them in all the digital fantastic stuff that we take for granted every stuff that we take for granted every stuff that we take for granted every single right so so imagine people single right so so imagine people single right so so imagine people donating yeah imagine you're in a data donating yeah imagine you're in a data donating yeah imagine you're in a data center a Colo and someone decides to put center a Colo and someone decides to put center a Colo and someone decides to put Oracle exad dat racks inside there for Oracle exad dat racks inside there for Oracle exad dat racks inside there for you uh because you get better iops and you uh because you get better iops and you uh because you get better iops and stuff like that and then you look around stuff like that and then you look around stuff like that and then you look around and you realize oh my God I'm inside an and you realize oh my God I'm inside an and you realize oh my God I'm inside an AWS cloud data AWS cloud data AWS cloud data center well that's exactly what the big center well that's exactly what the big center well that's exactly what the big news this week has been um you know news this week has been um you know news this week has been um you know sometimes we have those Hell Freezes sometimes we have those Hell Freezes sometimes we have those Hell Freezes Over moments you know and so we we had Over moments you know and so we we had Over moments you know and so we we had one of those you know so Larry Ellison one of those you know so Larry Ellison one of those you know so Larry Ellison and the folks up at Amazon got together and the folks up at Amazon got together and the folks up at Amazon got together and they're putting native you know and they're putting native you know and they're putting native you know oracle into AWS data centers but we're

oracle into AWS data centers but we're oracle into AWS data centers but we're not just talking about hey I'm running not just talking about hey I'm running not just talking about hey I'm running Oracle on a BM in AWS they're literally Oracle on a BM in AWS they're literally Oracle on a BM in AWS they're literally putting their Hardware their exit dat putting their Hardware their exit dat putting their Hardware their exit dat racks inside a us uh and they explained racks inside a us uh and they explained racks inside a us uh and they explained that people are like why do you need to that people are like why do you need to that people are like why do you need to go to all that trouble they said it's go to all that trouble they said it's go to all that trouble they said it's all about performance like they're like all about performance like they're like all about performance like they're like you know those of you who are database you know those of you who are database you know those of you who are database people or were database dbas you know people or were database dbas you know people or were database dbas you know you remember the term iops yeah you know you remember the term iops yeah you know you remember the term iops yeah you know all that IO per second anyway you know all that IO per second anyway you know all that IO per second anyway you know millions of iops and Oracle database on millions of iops and Oracle database on millions of iops and Oracle database on their gear versus a couple 100,000 iops their gear versus a couple 100,000 iops their gear versus a couple 100,000 iops when you're running in a virtual machine when you're running in a virtual machine when you're running in a virtual machine in one of the in one of the in one of the hyperscalers and so anyway hyperscalers and so anyway hyperscalers and so anyway cool you have you have those hell free Z cool you have you have those hell free Z cool you have you have those hell free Z over moments but a lot of times it comes over moments but a lot of times it comes over moments but a lot of times it comes back back back to are asking for um and and I think the to are asking for um and and I think the to are asking for um and and I think the reason Amazon's doing this is you know reason Amazon's doing this is you know reason Amazon's doing this is you know remember Amazon's the first company that remember Amazon's the first company that remember Amazon's the first company that started talking about where customer started talking about where customer started talking about where customer obsessed and then all the other obsessed and then all the other obsessed and then all the other companies started copying them well companies started copying them well companies started copying them well that's it when you're that's what that's it when you're that's what that's it when you're that's what customers are asking for you know they customers are asking for you know they customers are asking for you know they want that they want that same it's funny want that they want that same it's funny want that they want that same it's funny I had lots of people reach out going oh I had lots of people reach out going oh I had lots of people reach out going oh who uses relational databases anymore who uses relational databases anymore who uses relational databases anymore oracle's dead and I'm like no they're oracle's dead and I'm like no they're oracle's dead and I'm like no they're still by far the number one Enterprise still by far the number one Enterprise still by far the number one Enterprise database on the planet it's actually not database on the planet it's actually not database on the planet it's actually not even close but I think a lot of younger even close but I think a lot of younger even close but I think a lot of younger people assume that no SQL databases or people assume that no SQL databases or people assume that no SQL databases or something else has taken over it's like something else has taken over it's like something else has taken over it's like no the stock exchange still runs on no the stock exchange still runs on no the stock exchange still runs on Oracle you know like all like all the Oracle you know like all like all the Oracle you know like all like all the other ones you you might want to ask other ones you you might want to ask other ones you you might want to ask them what language they use with their

them what language they use with their them what language they use with their AI model most of these guys are using AI model most of these guys are using AI model most of these guys are using SQL to clean the data so yeah they SQL to clean the data so yeah they SQL to clean the data so yeah they probably don't know that cql is in the probably don't know that cql is in the probably don't know that cql is in the beginning language for rational beginning language for rational beginning language for rational databases that's remind them and here's databases that's remind them and here's databases that's remind them and here's some trivia here's trivia for all you do some trivia here's trivia for all you do some trivia here's trivia for all you do do you yeah how do you know all this do you yeah how do you know all this do you yeah how do you know all this stuff oh really where are you to be in stuff oh really where are you to be in stuff oh really where are you to be in part I part I part I snuck I I dressed up I snuck in I'm snuck I I dressed up I snuck in I'm snuck I I dressed up I snuck in I'm pretending to be one of those industry pretending to be one of those industry pretending to be one of those industry analyst people oh my God and and I snuck analyst people oh my God and and I snuck analyst people oh my God and and I snuck into this Oracle conference it's called into this Oracle conference it's called into this Oracle conference it's called God Oracle Cloud world at the God Oracle Cloud world at the God Oracle Cloud world at the benan and um I know I don't know why benan and um I know I don't know why benan and um I know I don't know why they're telling me all this stuff I'm in they're telling me all this stuff I'm in they're telling me all this stuff I'm in like all these private meetings and you like all these private meetings and you like all these private meetings and you know hearing all kinds of stuff about know hearing all kinds of stuff about know hearing all kinds of stuff about this thing called AI it's crazy my God I this thing called AI it's crazy my God I this thing called AI it's crazy my God I know I know but apparently apparently know I know but apparently apparently know I know but apparently apparently databases are important is what I'm databases are important is what I'm databases are important is what I'm learning here yeah the only the only learning here yeah the only the only learning here yeah the only the only problem with is stuck on this Ro level problem with is stuck on this Ro level problem with is stuck on this Ro level locking when page level locking is much locking when page level locking is much locking when page level locking is much far superior far superior far superior so that's a private joke young kids if so that's a private joke young kids if so that's a private joke young kids if you get this one I buy you a v exactly you get this one I buy you a v exactly you get this one I buy you a v exactly exactly I didn't tell him that I you exactly I didn't tell him that I you exactly I didn't tell him that I you know was a sequel server person so I know was a sequel server person so I know was a sequel server person so I probably probably get shot right keep probably probably get shot right keep probably probably get shot right keep that to yourself I'm going to keep that that to yourself I'm going to keep that that to yourself I'm going to keep that to myself yeah you're absolutely to myself yeah you're absolutely to myself yeah you're absolutely right my C's friends there yeah yeah right my C's friends there yeah yeah right my C's friends there yeah yeah yeah um so but you know oracle used to yeah um so but you know oracle used to yeah um so but you know oracle used to have a conference called open world and have a conference called open world and have a conference called open world and now it's called Cloud world because they now it's called Cloud world because they now it's called Cloud world because they have their own cloud just in case you have their own cloud just in case you have their own cloud just in case you hadn't heard it's called oci yeah or

hadn't heard it's called oci yeah or hadn't heard it's called oci yeah or infrastructure and so well in fairness infrastructure and so well in fairness infrastructure and so well in fairness In fairness to Oracle laia is was one of In fairness to Oracle laia is was one of In fairness to Oracle laia is was one of the first to seriously push the you know the first to seriously push the you know the first to seriously push the you know no client you know I remember seeing no client you know I remember seeing no client you know I remember seeing stage in France breaking up a PC and stage in France breaking up a PC and stage in France breaking up a PC and saying oh you broke up the PC so you saying oh you broke up the PC so you saying oh you broke up the PC so you have no more app this is why you need have no more app this is why you need have no more app this is why you need the app in the server blah blah blah so the app in the server blah blah blah so the app in the server blah blah blah so they were Vision they were very they were Vision they were very they were Vision they were very Visionary for that he was he talked Visionary for that he was he talked Visionary for that he was he talked about network computing right yeah you about network computing right yeah you about network computing right yeah you know yeah it was with the ancestor of know yeah it was with the ancestor of know yeah it was with the ancestor of the browser basically a very lightweight the browser basically a very lightweight the browser basically a very lightweight computer where all the application computer where all the application computer where all the application running on the remember that was a thing running on the remember that was a thing running on the remember that was a thing you know it wasn't a thing in Redmond you know it wasn't a thing in Redmond you know it wasn't a thing in Redmond but it was a thing in Silicon Valley but it was a thing in Silicon Valley but it was a thing in Silicon Valley remember Sun built the Sunray machines remember Sun built the Sunray machines remember Sun built the Sunray machines and everything we're just gonna deliver and everything we're just gonna deliver and everything we're just gonna deliver applets and things like that right you applets and things like that right you applets and things like that right you know thin Computing stuff like that yeah know thin Computing stuff like that yeah know thin Computing stuff like that yeah yeah um no I remember I remember Larry yeah um no I remember I remember Larry yeah um no I remember I remember Larry all said going it's just bits you know all said going it's just bits you know all said going it's just bits you know it's just like you know you know he was it's just like you know you know he was it's just like you know you know he was making fun of discs and stuff like that making fun of discs and stuff like that making fun of discs and stuff like that he's like we're going to deliver a bit he's like we're going to deliver a bit he's like we're going to deliver a bit so with the internet to your client so with the internet to your client so with the internet to your client wow but oh my gosh yeah never that the wow but oh my gosh yeah never that the wow but oh my gosh yeah never that the whole zero client thing never really whole zero client thing never really whole zero client thing never really worked out did worked out did worked out did it well to somebody's point the browser it well to somebody's point the browser it well to somebody's point the browser ended up maybe being that I guess you ended up maybe being that I guess you ended up maybe being that I guess you know um in fact maybe the people at know um in fact maybe the people at know um in fact maybe the people at Google selling Chromebooks might say hey Google selling Chromebooks might say hey Google selling Chromebooks might say hey maybe this is kind of like that I don't

maybe this is kind of like that I don't maybe this is kind of like that I don't know if it then you know then it would know if it then you know then it would know if it then you know then it would have a lot of compute on it yeah there have a lot of compute on it yeah there have a lot of compute on it yeah there was always computed more and more more was always computed more and more more was always computed more and more more you know it's like you know there was you know it's like you know there was you know it's like you know there was always these complaints that Microsoft always these complaints that Microsoft always these complaints that Microsoft put too much functionality and too many put too much functionality and too many put too much functionality and too many configuration tweaks in windows that are configuration tweaks in windows that are configuration tweaks in windows that are exposed to users and users ended up exposed to users and users ended up exposed to users and users ended up being the works enemy users would being the works enemy users would being the works enemy users would routinely screw up their PC and their routinely screw up their PC and their routinely screw up their PC and their Windows steel and so I think a lot of Windows steel and so I think a lot of Windows steel and so I think a lot of thinking was we're just not going to let thinking was we're just not going to let thinking was we're just not going to let you do any of that we're just going to you do any of that we're just going to you do any of that we're just going to deliver stuff to you over the Internet deliver stuff to you over the Internet deliver stuff to you over the Internet yeah this new internet thing you know yeah this new internet thing you know yeah this new internet thing you know the information super highway or I the information super highway or I the information super highway or I remember the guys at info world called remember the guys at info world called remember the guys at info world called it the info bond for a while INF well it the info bond for a while INF well it the info bond for a while INF well doesn't Azure have the uh they have the doesn't Azure have the uh they have the doesn't Azure have the uh they have the virtual desktop or something that they virtual desktop or something that they virtual desktop or something that they sell they sell a lot of so yeah yeah sell they sell a lot of so yeah yeah sell they sell a lot of so yeah yeah absolutely companies buy thatu join yeah absolutely companies buy thatu join yeah absolutely companies buy thatu join yeah you know Frontline workers and stuff you know Frontline workers and stuff you know Frontline workers and stuff yeah remote desktop kind of delivered yeah remote desktop kind of delivered yeah remote desktop kind of delivered over the air yeah remote desktop remote over the air yeah remote desktop remote over the air yeah remote desktop remote yeah you're right you're right they're yeah you're right you're right they're yeah you're right you're right they're getting image of Windows pretty pretty getting image of Windows pretty pretty getting image of Windows pretty pretty wild stuff so uh yeah who knew wild stuff so uh yeah who knew wild stuff so uh yeah who knew interesting stuff so yeah I'm pretending interesting stuff so yeah I'm pretending interesting stuff so yeah I'm pretending to be an analyst I don't know what I'm to be an analyst I don't know what I'm to be an analyst I don't know what I'm doing actually I called this guy I know doing actually I called this guy I know doing actually I called this guy I know Leonard and he told me what to do and so Leonard and he told me what to do and so Leonard and he told me what to do and so and so what I did is I got this little and so what I did is I got this little and so what I did is I got this little iPad that I'm talking to you on that's iPad that I'm talking to you on that's iPad that I'm talking to you on that's got a keyboard and I used the little I got a keyboard and I used the little I got a keyboard and I used the little I iOS notes feature that you have on your iOS notes feature that you have on your iOS notes feature that you have on your phone and man I was just taking I was phone and man I was just taking I was phone and man I was just taking I was taking notes like crazy in all these

taking notes like crazy in all these taking notes like crazy in all these sessions and this guy also told me just sessions and this guy also told me just sessions and this guy also told me just take pictures with your phone of all the take pictures with your phone of all the take pictures with your phone of all the slides and then you'll regurgitate it slides and then you'll regurgitate it slides and then you'll regurgitate it later so man I was taking pictures of later so man I was taking pictures of later so man I was taking pictures of slides but you know who else was doing slides but you know who else was doing slides but you know who else was doing the same thing sitting next to me oh I the same thing sitting next to me oh I the same thing sitting next to me oh I don't know Mr Newman you know uh Pat his don't know Mr Newman you know uh Pat his don't know Mr Newman you know uh Pat his buddy you know his bestie you know the buddy you know his bestie you know the buddy you know his bestie you know the six the six5 guys yeah six the six5 guys yeah six the six5 guys yeah welcome so I was hanging out with them welcome so I was hanging out with them welcome so I was hanging out with them oh my God so yes it's all coming oh my God so yes it's all coming oh my God so yes it's all coming together now I'm really not yeah cool together now I'm really not yeah cool together now I'm really not yeah cool anyway yeah yeah cool yeah so there you anyway yeah yeah cool yeah so there you anyway yeah yeah cool yeah so there you go well I'm down here in San Jose by the go well I'm down here in San Jose by the go well I'm down here in San Jose by the way at the AI Edge Hardware Summit AI way at the AI Edge Hardware Summit AI way at the AI Edge Hardware Summit AI hardware and Edge AI hardware and Edge AI hardware and Edge AI Summit which apparently next year is Summit which apparently next year is Summit which apparently next year is going to be called the AI info Summit so going to be called the AI info Summit so going to be called the AI info Summit so they're gonna just clean up that name they're gonna just clean up that name they're gonna just clean up that name but they gotta keep but they gotta keep but they gotta keep pivoting yeah it's a it's a pivoting yeah it's a it's a pivoting yeah it's a it's a thing is that like a VC term keep thing is that like a VC term keep thing is that like a VC term keep pivoting pivot pivoting pivot pivoting pivot until you find product Market till you until you find product Market till you until you find product Market till you pivot 360 me I mean look at look at what pivot 360 me I mean look at look at what pivot 360 me I mean look at look at what um what do you call I World Congress was um what do you call I World Congress was um what do you call I World Congress was doing you know they loaded the whole doing you know they loaded the whole doing you know they loaded the whole thing up with AI Congress and you know thing up with AI Congress and you know thing up with AI Congress and you know it was like they're placing bets to see it was like they're placing bets to see it was like they're placing bets to see where the hype would actually land and where the hype would actually land and where the hype would actually land and not be just absolutely ridiculous yeah not be just absolutely ridiculous yeah not be just absolutely ridiculous yeah blockchain World Congress I remember blockchain World Congress I remember blockchain World Congress I remember when crypto was taking off that that when crypto was taking off that that when crypto was taking off that that thing was just Madness of course you

thing was just Madness of course you thing was just Madness of course you know it was it was a it was a zoo of know it was it was a it was a zoo of know it was it was a it was a zoo of just really bad idea and um techno just really bad idea and um techno just really bad idea and um techno delusion listen are you guys getting delusion listen are you guys getting delusion listen are you guys getting this stuff a zoo of bad ideas techno this stuff a zoo of bad ideas techno this stuff a zoo of bad ideas techno delusion that's are you defining are you delusion that's are you defining are you delusion that's are you defining are you talking about our show well we are kind of like anyon cage show well we are kind of like anyon cage on on on Zoom yeah Zoom yeah Zoom yeah oh yeah placing bets like uh like but um oh yeah placing bets like uh like but um oh yeah placing bets like uh like but um yeah so what's going on I mean what yeah so what's going on I mean what yeah so what's going on I mean what what's happening there you're just what's happening there you're just what's happening there you're just mentioning where you are mentioning where you are mentioning where you are but isn't there anything to talk but isn't there anything to talk but isn't there anything to talk about come on man it's outside now you about come on man it's outside now you about come on man it's outside now you know same old same old I think I know same old same old I think I know same old same old I think I mentioned you Leonard I heard Intel's mentioned you Leonard I heard Intel's mentioned you Leonard I heard Intel's giving away some good Yeti tumblers here giving away some good Yeti tumblers here giving away some good Yeti tumblers here so that's kind of my main goal is to get so that's kind of my main goal is to get so that's kind of my main goal is to get a Yeti tumbler a Yeti tumbler a Yeti tumbler well I saw the int was being dismantled well I saw the int was being dismantled well I saw the int was being dismantled there some news well they still have the there some news well they still have the there some news well they still have the Eddie tumblers Eddie tumblers Eddie tumblers apparently as long as they have the apparently as long as they have the apparently as long as they have the Tumblers from Yeti we good there we the Tumblers from Yeti we good there we the Tumblers from Yeti we good there we the the whole world could be collapsing the whole world could be collapsing the whole world could be collapsing around you but as long as you got your around you but as long as you got your around you but as long as you got your Yeti the question is who's gonna buy Yeti the question is who's gonna buy Yeti the question is who's gonna buy Intel's Network and Edge business who's Intel's Network and Edge business who's Intel's Network and Edge business who's gonna buy gonna buy gonna buy that right yeah yeah that is not their that right yeah yeah that is not their that right yeah yeah that is not their money makers so I'm sure that one's on money makers so I'm sure that one's on money makers so I'm sure that one's on the Block at some point absolutely yeah the Block at some point absolutely yeah the Block at some point absolutely yeah I had a conversation about that I had a conversation about that I had a conversation about that yesterday with someone so yeah

yesterday with someone so yeah yesterday with someone so yeah interesting interesting interesting yeah you all want to pull some money yeah you all want to pull some money yeah you all want to pull some money together I'm sure we could pick it up together I'm sure we could pick it up together I'm sure we could pick it up for you know Intel's Edge Edge thing for you know Intel's Edge Edge thing for you know Intel's Edge Edge thing used to be Wind River you know yeah they used to be Wind River you know yeah they used to be Wind River you know yeah they used to Own Wind River yeah they owned used to Own Wind River yeah they owned used to Own Wind River yeah they owned Wind River for a while they fired them Wind River for a while they fired them Wind River for a while they fired them specifically because they want to go specifically because they want to go specifically because they want to go into Edge Computing and then they into Edge Computing and then they into Edge Computing and then they jettisoned them so sometimes I'm not jettisoned them so sometimes I'm not jettisoned them so sometimes I'm not sure what Intel's doing they go in on sure what Intel's doing they go in on sure what Intel's doing they go in on stuff and then they throw it out the stuff and then they throw it out the stuff and then they throw it out the window and then they go back into it window and then they go back into it window and then they go back into it organically after they spent billions organically after they spent billions organically after they spent billions yeah pivoting they pivoting if you have yeah pivoting they pivoting if you have yeah pivoting they pivoting if you have a lot of cash and you can pivot Crazy a lot of cash and you can pivot Crazy a lot of cash and you can pivot Crazy Town stuff like that I guess I don't Town stuff like that I guess I don't Town stuff like that I guess I don't know know know wow yeah all wow yeah all wow yeah all right yeah it's pretty um it's a pretty right yeah it's pretty um it's a pretty right yeah it's pretty um it's a pretty tough situation for them I think the tough situation for them I think the tough situation for them I think the bigger news was they dropped 28 and bigger news was they dropped 28 and bigger news was they dropped 28 and they're they're going with tsmc now or they're they're going with tsmc now or they're they're going with tsmc now or probably they call a third you know um a probably they call a third you know um a probably they call a third you know um a third party um yeah likely tsmc for third party um yeah likely tsmc for third party um yeah likely tsmc for aerrow Lake okay not until 18a which is aerrow Lake okay not until 18a which is aerrow Lake okay not until 18a which is the end of the the last phase or the the end of the the last phase or the the end of the the last phase or the last node of their five nodes in four last node of their five nodes in four last node of their five nodes in four years where we're going to hopefully see years where we're going to hopefully see years where we're going to hopefully see um Panther Lake in and um Panther Lake in and um Panther Lake in and bring uh that you know everyone bring uh that you know everyone bring uh that you know everyone everything to roost back in Intel everything to roost back in Intel everything to roost back in Intel Foundry but until then um Intel Foundry

Foundry but until then um Intel Foundry Foundry but until then um Intel Foundry is going to have to you know depend on is going to have to you know depend on is going to have to you know depend on on Advanced packaging but you know what on Advanced packaging but you know what on Advanced packaging but you know what here's the thing that's really kind of here's the thing that's really kind of here's the thing that's really kind of sad is the the technologies that Intel sad is the the technologies that Intel sad is the the technologies that Intel has are incredibly valuable it's just has are incredibly valuable it's just has are incredibly valuable it's just they're starting to have like kind of they're starting to have like kind of they're starting to have like kind of like a IBM problem where they have great like a IBM problem where they have great like a IBM problem where they have great research great technology but then on research great technology but then on research great technology but then on the commercial end they're having the commercial end they're having the commercial end they're having difficulties channeling that into comp difficulties channeling that into comp difficulties channeling that into comp uh those into competitive products and uh those into competitive products and uh those into competitive products and um you know manufacturing Excellence you um you know manufacturing Excellence you um you know manufacturing Excellence you know and it's the execution side that's know and it's the execution side that's know and it's the execution side that's really suffered and you know IBM was really suffered and you know IBM was really suffered and you know IBM was like that for a while you know Rob like that for a while you know Rob like that for a while you know Rob you're saying hey what what's all doing you're saying hey what what's all doing you're saying hey what what's all doing it looks like they're just you know it looks like they're just you know it looks like they're just you know buying companies and then spending them buying companies and then spending them buying companies and then spending them off and it's kind of what IBM was doing off and it's kind of what IBM was doing off and it's kind of what IBM was doing for a while or you might still doing IBM for a while or you might still doing IBM for a while or you might still doing IBM used to make hard drives and they used used to make hard drives and they used used to make hard drives and they used to make think pads and they used to make to make think pads and they used to make to make think pads and they used to make all kinds of stuff and you're right all kinds of stuff and you're right all kinds of stuff and you're right little by little oh they just PCS they little by little oh they just PCS they little by little oh they just PCS they made PCS and they just started spending made PCS and they just started spending made PCS and they just started spending things off right and became a big things off right and became a big things off right and became a big consulting firm yeah yeah and someone consulting firm yeah yeah and someone consulting firm yeah yeah and someone someone someone mentioned to me it's someone someone mentioned to me it's someone someone mentioned to me it's like because I was at um like because I was at um like because I was at um Lenovo uh lenovo's Innovation World last Lenovo uh lenovo's Innovation World last Lenovo uh lenovo's Innovation World last week in uh Berlin they're asking me why week in uh Berlin they're asking me why week in uh Berlin they're asking me why did why did IBM spin off did why did IBM spin off did why did IBM spin off their PC business you know because their PC business you know because their PC business you know because Lenovo has it now it's just killing it Lenovo has it now it's just killing it Lenovo has it now it's just killing it right they're killing it yeah and is

right they're killing it yeah and is right they're killing it yeah and is Lenovo number one in PC shipments or is Lenovo number one in PC shipments or is Lenovo number one in PC shipments or is I know it's them HP or Bell right yeah I know it's them HP or Bell right yeah I know it's them HP or Bell right yeah yeah they they are and yeah they they are and yeah they they are and um and um I think it's um HP and then um and um I think it's um HP and then um and um I think it's um HP and then Dell okay but you know it it's U Dell okay but you know it it's U Dell okay but you know it it's U Lenovo is definitely a Powerhouse house Lenovo is definitely a Powerhouse house Lenovo is definitely a Powerhouse house and Commercial right so yeah um yeah so and Commercial right so yeah um yeah so and Commercial right so yeah um yeah so basically they're doing a better job of basically they're doing a better job of basically they're doing a better job of execution on the stuff that IBM invented execution on the stuff that IBM invented execution on the stuff that IBM invented than IBM than IBM than IBM was yeah maybe I mean would IBM be the was yeah maybe I mean would IBM be the was yeah maybe I mean would IBM be the PC laptop Juggernaut today if they hung PC laptop Juggernaut today if they hung PC laptop Juggernaut today if they hung on to the think pads and stuff or they on to the think pads and stuff or they on to the think pads and stuff or they just not have that fire in the belly to just not have that fire in the belly to just not have that fire in the belly to go after go after go after it different right though the e wiel it different right though the e wiel it different right though the e wiel ecos ecos ecos winel system is so different and the winel system is so different and the winel system is so different and the devices themselves have become so devices themselves have become so devices themselves have become so subordinate you know to the chips in the subordinate you know to the chips in the subordinate you know to the chips in the OS yeah that disaggregation or OS yeah that disaggregation or OS yeah that disaggregation or decoupling I think um has been a decoupling I think um has been a decoupling I think um has been a challenge um to play as a OEM but Lenovo challenge um to play as a OEM but Lenovo challenge um to play as a OEM but Lenovo obviously plays a pretty damn good game obviously plays a pretty damn good game obviously plays a pretty damn good game so does so does so does d remember Lenovo acquired Motorola I got him in the smartphone business you I got him in the smartphone business you got I think you got one of those kind of got I think you got one of those kind of got I think you got one of those kind of a think think phone that looks like

a think think phone that looks like a think think phone that looks like aad aad aad razor yeah and yeah you know it's razor yeah and yeah you know it's razor yeah and yeah you know it's interesting how things play up you know interesting how things play up you know interesting how things play up you know and so you know that whole Trend started and so you know that whole Trend started and so you know that whole Trend started when Lou gersner took over the Reigns at when Lou gersner took over the Reigns at when Lou gersner took over the Reigns at IBM back in the 90s when IBM was the IBM back in the 90s when IBM was the IBM back in the 90s when IBM was the biggest company ever and then collapsed biggest company ever and then collapsed biggest company ever and then collapsed in the early 90s when Microsoft broke in the early 90s when Microsoft broke in the early 90s when Microsoft broke away and they had the biggest layoffs in away and they had the biggest layoffs in away and they had the biggest layoffs in the history of ever of any company in the history of ever of any company in the history of ever of any company in the early 90s like over 250,000 people the early 90s like over 250,000 people the early 90s like over 250,000 people and they almost went out of business and and they almost went out of business and and they almost went out of business and L gersner came in and turned it into a L gersner came in and turned it into a L gersner came in and turned it into a big consulting firm I'm glossing over a big consulting firm I'm glossing over a big consulting firm I'm glossing over a lot of stuff but that's what he did it's lot of stuff but that's what he did it's lot of stuff but that's what he did it's like he went after services and you're like he went after services and you're like he went after services and you're right then they just started jsing all right then they just started jsing all right then they just started jsing all the things that they were known for they're chasing margin right um and for they're chasing margin right um and rather than looking at the entire rather than looking at the entire rather than looking at the entire portfolio stuff that they have um and portfolio stuff that they have um and portfolio stuff that they have um and trying to figure out a way to um you trying to figure out a way to um you trying to figure out a way to um you know maybe uh create synergies across know maybe uh create synergies across know maybe uh create synergies across Hardware software and services they just Hardware software and services they just Hardware software and services they just focused on software which they ended up focused on software which they ended up focused on software which they ended up not doing too well in and then side of not doing too well in and then side of not doing too well in and then side of things and that formula didn't work out things and that formula didn't work out things and that formula didn't work out then you have companies like Huawei that then you have companies like Huawei that then you have companies like Huawei that are doing what IBM could have done and are doing what IBM could have done and are doing what IBM could have done and they're killing it they're they're killing it they're they're killing it they're surviving more than surviving because surviving more than surviving because surviving more than surviving because you know they've announced I don't know you know they've announced I don't know you know they've announced I don't know what this whole trifold phone is but one

what this whole trifold phone is but one what this whole trifold phone is but one of the things that that is whether it of the things that that is whether it of the things that that is whether it works or not I think it's a goofy goofy works or not I think it's a goofy goofy works or not I think it's a goofy goofy device quite honestly it's like I I have device quite honestly it's like I I have device quite honestly it's like I I have troubles with just the foldables they're troubles with just the foldables they're troubles with just the foldables they're just kind of awkward no matter what just kind of awkward no matter what just kind of awkward no matter what people say they look cool the the new people say they look cool the the new people say they look cool the the new honor magic uh V3 is pretty freaking honor magic uh V3 is pretty freaking honor magic uh V3 is pretty freaking amazing I I was like soon as I picked it amazing I I was like soon as I picked it amazing I I was like soon as I picked it up I went what the hell you know you get up I went what the hell you know you get up I went what the hell you know you get that impression when you handle that that impression when you handle that that impression when you handle that device but I mean trifold come on it's device but I mean trifold come on it's device but I mean trifold come on it's seems extreme it it yeah it seems a seems extreme it it yeah it seems a seems extreme it it yeah it seems a little too much but one thing it is is little too much but one thing it is is little too much but one thing it is is like a middle finger do you know yeah like a middle finger do you know yeah like a middle finger do you know yeah absolutely am I am I the only one that absolutely am I am I the only one that absolutely am I am I the only one that gets emails almost every day from gets emails almost every day from gets emails almost every day from Samsung saying okay now if you trade in Samsung saying okay now if you trade in Samsung saying okay now if you trade in all these phones we'll give you all these phones we'll give you all these phones we'll give you $1,800 off your Galaxy F you know yeah I $1,800 off your Galaxy F you know yeah I $1,800 off your Galaxy F you know yeah I think they're trying really hard to sell think they're trying really hard to sell think they're trying really hard to sell that thing it's just so expensive you that thing it's just so expensive you that thing it's just so expensive you know when you're trying to make it the know when you're trying to make it the know when you're trying to make it the next big thing and no one can afford it next big thing and no one can afford it next big thing and no one can afford it it can't be the next big thing oh my God it can't be the next big thing oh my God it can't be the next big thing oh my God you know you know that trifold phone is you know you know that trifold phone is you know you know that trifold phone is something like $2800 something like $2800 something like $2800 us yikes that's like you sell organs in us yikes that's like you sell organs in us yikes that's like you sell organs in order to buy laptop that's a high-end order to buy laptop that's a high-end order to buy laptop that's a high-end MacBook Pro isn't it it is it is yeah MacBook Pro isn't it it is it is yeah MacBook Pro isn't it it is it is yeah that's what that is I that's what that is I that's what that is I I don't see yeah oh right just like I don't see yeah oh right just like I don't see yeah oh right just like Steve balber told us No One's Gonna buy Steve balber told us No One's Gonna buy Steve balber told us No One's Gonna buy this phone because it does have a this phone because it does have a this phone because it does have a keyboard you keyboard you keyboard you know yeah he was

know yeah he was know yeah he was right tittis right tittis right tittis so w Pete did we wrap up something so w Pete did we wrap up something so w Pete did we wrap up something yesterday we did we had episode nine yesterday we did we had episode nine yesterday we did we had episode nine nine of nine yesterday on Windows Phone nine of nine yesterday on Windows Phone nine of nine yesterday on Windows Phone WTF so wow on YouTube you can watch all WTF so wow on YouTube you can watch all WTF so wow on YouTube you can watch all 15 hours of interviews and commentary on 15 hours of interviews and commentary on 15 hours of interviews and commentary on the history of Microsoft's mobile the history of Microsoft's mobile the history of Microsoft's mobile platform uh we had Laura Butler on there platform uh we had Laura Butler on there platform uh we had Laura Butler on there that was cool and uh yeah no it was a that was cool and uh yeah no it was a that was cool and uh yeah no it was a lot of fun it was a it was a long lot of fun it was a it was a long lot of fun it was a it was a long project yeah absolutely now it's in the project yeah absolutely now it's in the project yeah absolutely now it's in the archives and we'll Rob and I are working archives and we'll Rob and I are working archives and we'll Rob and I are working on our you know Netflix series so that's on our you know Netflix series so that's on our you know Netflix series so that's the next exactly oh awesome exactly yes the next exactly oh awesome exactly yes the next exactly oh awesome exactly yes but props to Pete because he did all the but props to Pete because he did all the but props to Pete because he did all the hard work he's the he's like he's like hard work he's the he's like he's like hard work he's the he's like he's like Dr Dre Steven Spielberg producer guy and Dr Dre Steven Spielberg producer guy and Dr Dre Steven Spielberg producer guy and there you go putting it now we need to there you go putting it now we need to there you go putting it now we need to recruit for our Netflix series like recruit for our Netflix series like recruit for our Netflix series like Matthew MCC and Steve bomber you know Matthew MCC and Steve bomber you know Matthew MCC and Steve bomber you know stuff like that absolutely who's gonna stuff like that absolutely who's gonna stuff like that absolutely who's gonna play Steve play Steve play Steve bomber who's gonna play Bill Gates oh my bomber who's gonna play Bill Gates oh my bomber who's gonna play Bill Gates oh my God Christian Bale we should get God Christian Bale we should get God Christian Bale we should get Christian Bale as Steve Balmer that Christian Bale as Steve Balmer that Christian Bale as Steve Balmer that would be good he can find a way he's would be good he can find a way he's would be good he can find a way he's he's an he's an he's an amazing actor yeah I would do I would amazing actor yeah I would do I would amazing actor yeah I would do I would hire him sure the fact that he found a hire him sure the fact that he found a hire him sure the fact that he found a way to make himself look like Dick way to make himself look like Dick way to make himself look like Dick Cheney tells me that was amazing that he Cheney tells me that was amazing that he Cheney tells me that was amazing that he must be the most versatile actor ever must be the most versatile actor ever must be the most versatile actor ever like because I know what he looks like like because I know what he looks like like because I know what he looks like and it's not like d Cheney that's right and it's not like d Cheney that's right and it's not like d Cheney that's right that's right so he so I think he could that's right so he so I think he could that's right so he so I think he could definitely pull off

definitely pull off definitely pull off bomber hey speaking of I need to I bomber hey speaking of I need to I bomber hey speaking of I need to I unfortunately I need to bolt so I'm unfortunately I need to bolt so I'm unfortunately I need to bolt so I'm Gonna Leave You guys to it all right all Gonna Leave You guys to it all right all Gonna Leave You guys to it all right all right yeah enjoy the conference thank right yeah enjoy the conference thank right yeah enjoy the conference thank you right let us know if they changed you right let us know if they changed you right let us know if they changed your name your name your name again what is again what is again what is that know right that know right that know right what's up what's up Dimitri what have what's up what's up Dimitri what have what's up what's up Dimitri what have you what have you been up to not much uh you what have you been up to not much uh you what have you been up to not much uh I kind of watched the app announcement I kind of watched the app announcement I kind of watched the app announcement so there's a new iPhone coming you so there's a new iPhone coming you so there's a new iPhone coming you probably heard about that oh let's talk probably heard about that oh let's talk probably heard about that oh let's talk about that let's talk about that people about that let's talk about that people about that let's talk about that people no before we do that let's talk about no before we do that let's talk about no before we do that let's talk about his headphones what the hell are those his headphones what the hell are those his headphones what the hell are those oh it's seem the old one I mean old I oh it's seem the old one I mean old I oh it's seem the old one I mean old I mean I've been having those ones for a mean I've been having those ones for a mean I've been having those ones for a while there they're actually from a while there they're actually from a while there they're actually from a Ukrainian small Ukrainian company ah so Ukrainian small Ukrainian company ah so Ukrainian small Ukrainian company ah so they're kind of open headset type of they're kind of open headset type of they're kind of open headset type of stuff so pretty pretty good quality stuff so pretty pretty good quality stuff so pretty pretty good quality actually they they're kind of siiz level actually they they're kind of siiz level actually they they're kind of siiz level but for much cheaper oh okay cool but for much cheaper oh okay cool but for much cheaper oh okay cool cool so so the funniest tweet I saw that cool so so the funniest tweet I saw that cool so so the funniest tweet I saw that happened during the Apple event was and happened during the Apple event was and happened during the Apple event was and if you if you watched if you had like if you if you watched if you had like if you if you watched if you had like CNBC or Fox Business on at the same time CNBC or Fox Business on at the same time CNBC or Fox Business on at the same time you would see that Apple was plummeting you would see that Apple was plummeting you would see that Apple was plummeting the stock price was going down here's the stock price was going down here's the stock price was going down here's this funny qu well it's probably this funny qu well it's probably this funny qu well it's probably recovered now it says Apple shares are recovered now it says Apple shares are recovered now it says Apple shares are now selling off investors realize Apple now selling off investors realize Apple now selling off investors realize Apple just launched the same iPhone for the just launched the same iPhone for the just launched the same iPhone for the sixth time in a row and I was like it it's so row and I was like it it's so incremental you know what I mean they incremental you know what I mean they incremental you know what I mean they change so little and all the fan boys go

change so little and all the fan boys go change so little and all the fan boys go oh they came out with a new oh they came out with a new oh they came out with a new color yeah but you know here's the thing color yeah but you know here's the thing color yeah but you know here's the thing um and it's going to be part of my note um and it's going to be part of my note um and it's going to be part of my note that I my piece that goes down everyone that I my piece that goes down everyone that I my piece that goes down everyone focus on iPhone too much focus on iPhone too much focus on iPhone too much Apple intelligence for Apple users is Apple intelligence for Apple users is Apple intelligence for Apple users is much bigger than the iPhone yeah I do much bigger than the iPhone yeah I do much bigger than the iPhone yeah I do agree and this is this is where the agree and this is this is where the agree and this is this is where the Apple haters don't get it they can't Apple haters don't get it they can't Apple haters don't get it they can't expand their Thinking Beyond certain expand their Thinking Beyond certain expand their Thinking Beyond certain conventions and that's why you look at conventions and that's why you look at conventions and that's why you look at the announcements number one most of the announcements number one most of the announcements number one most of this stuff shouldn't have been news this stuff shouldn't have been news this stuff shouldn't have been news because they already announced most of because they already announced most of because they already announced most of it right I really think it it's really it right I really think it it's really it right I really think it it's really how are they demonstrating that they're how are they demonstrating that they're how are they demonstrating that they're leveraging AI in its totality to create leveraging AI in its totality to create leveraging AI in its totality to create new functions and I thought that control new functions and I thought that control new functions and I thought that control I mean Pro people were probably making I mean Pro people were probably making I mean Pro people were probably making fun of that camera control button I fun of that camera control button I fun of that camera control button I thought that thing is freaking thought that thing is freaking thought that thing is freaking badass I think it'll make a big badass I think it'll make a big badass I think it'll make a big difference it's simple it's difference it's simple it's difference it's simple it's multi-functional and um you know it's a multi-functional and um you know it's a multi-functional and um you know it's a hell of a lot better better than the hell of a lot better better than the hell of a lot better better than the action button which I thought was and action button which I thought was and action button which I thought was and you know not a big deal but a lot of you know not a big deal but a lot of you know not a big deal but a lot of people made a big deal out of that the people made a big deal out of that the people made a big deal out of that the action button it's like no this is like action button it's like no this is like action button it's like no this is like freaking long time ago and they placed freaking long time ago and they placed freaking long time ago and they placed it exactly in the wrong place that noo it exactly in the wrong place that noo it exactly in the wrong place that noo did it's like why is that the wrong did it's like why is that the wrong did it's like why is that the wrong place yeah but then they're going to place yeah but then they're going to place yeah but then they're going to make fun of a a a camera control button make fun of a a a camera control button make fun of a a a camera control button which I think people are going to love which I think people are going to love which I think people are going to love I'm I'm looking forward to it yeah and I'm I'm looking forward to it yeah and I'm I'm looking forward to it yeah and and I I can't agree more point I wish

and I I can't agree more point I wish and I I can't agree more point I wish they'd never done the stupid action they'd never done the stupid action they'd never done the stupid action button yeah this idea this idea that you button yeah this idea this idea that you button yeah this idea this idea that you can take a picture of something and he's can take a picture of something and he's can take a picture of something and he's gonna do run some AI to help you gonna do run some AI to help you gonna do run some AI to help you remember it I take picture of things remember it I take picture of things remember it I take picture of things that I want to remember all the time that I want to remember all the time that I want to remember all the time having something are going to process having something are going to process having something are going to process them I think it's brilliant and I them I think it's brilliant and I them I think it's brilliant and I totally agree with you I think you know totally agree with you I think you know totally agree with you I think you know people are looking like oh is the screen people are looking like oh is the screen people are looking like oh is the screen going to be folding is it by three tiple going to be folding is it by three tiple going to be folding is it by three tiple color blah B blah blah no it's the color blah B blah blah no it's the color blah B blah blah no it's the ecosystem that makes Apple extremely ecosystem that makes Apple extremely ecosystem that makes Apple extremely strong and now they're starting to strong and now they're starting to strong and now they're starting to inject AI into it so well they've always inject AI into it so well they've always inject AI into it so well they've always had Ai and so if you look at the stuff had Ai and so if you look at the stuff had Ai and so if you look at the stuff that they wrapped around the camera that they wrapped around the camera that they wrapped around the camera control button most of it is control button most of it is control button most of it is non-generative it there's a lot of AI non-generative it there's a lot of AI non-generative it there's a lot of AI um you know features that are that can um you know features that are that can um you know features that are that can be triggered uh agentically agentically be triggered uh agentically agentically be triggered uh agentically agentically but those things have already existed but those things have already existed but those things have already existed and and this is the other thing that and and this is the other thing that and and this is the other thing that people don't realize and the reason why people don't realize and the reason why people don't realize and the reason why Apple was able to um basically come to Apple was able to um basically come to Apple was able to um basically come to Market with apple intelligence so Market with apple intelligence so Market with apple intelligence so quickly is exactly the same reason why quickly is exactly the same reason why quickly is exactly the same reason why Microsoft was able to do it these are Microsoft was able to do it these are Microsoft was able to do it these are just like freaking chatbot Frameworks just like freaking chatbot Frameworks just like freaking chatbot Frameworks they're repurposing them and that's it they're repurposing them and that's it they're repurposing them and that's it uh and but people think it's like frakin uh and but people think it's like frakin uh and but people think it's like frakin magic but it's not it it's been around magic but it's not it it's been around magic but it's not it it's been around um nothing has changed you know and but um nothing has changed you know and but um nothing has changed you know and but one thing though is these guys Apple one thing though is these guys Apple one thing though is these guys Apple have never really publicly um exposed have never really publicly um exposed have never really publicly um exposed themselves to the risk of how these you

themselves to the risk of how these you themselves to the risk of how these you know these models don't do great job but know these models don't do great job but know these models don't do great job but I've seen some now reports and some I've seen some now reports and some I've seen some now reports and some accounts where people are saying wow accounts where people are saying wow accounts where people are saying wow this this is just crappy like everyone this this is just crappy like everyone this this is just crappy like everyone else is else is else is so the question Leonard will this create so the question Leonard will this create so the question Leonard will this create a super cycle for the iPhone or a super cycle for the iPhone or a super cycle for the iPhone or not let me ask serious question serious not let me ask serious question serious not let me ask serious question serious question okay let me ask you another question okay let me ask you another question okay let me ask you another serious question Mr serious question Mr serious question Mr analyst what the hell is a super analyst what the hell is a super analyst what the hell is a super cycle it's when people buy the [ __ ] out cycle it's when people buy the [ __ ] out cycle it's when people buy the [ __ ] out of something it's kind of like when something it's kind of like when Microsoft keeps hoping oh oh my God I PC Microsoft keeps hoping oh oh my God I PC Microsoft keeps hoping oh oh my God I PC is going to create a super cycle renewal is going to create a super cycle renewal is going to create a super cycle renewal you know refurbish like companies you know refurbish like companies you know refurbish like companies usually buy new PCS every three years or usually buy new PCS every three years or usually buy new PCS every three years or whatever yeah and so they they're hoping whatever yeah and so they they're hoping whatever yeah and so they they're hoping I mean trust me don't forget folks just I mean trust me don't forget folks just I mean trust me don't forget folks just in case you thought technology was all in case you thought technology was all in case you thought technology was all about you know all this cool stuff it's about you know all this cool stuff it's about you know all this cool stuff it's still a business oh yeah and they are still a business oh yeah and they are still a business oh yeah and they are all hoping their marketers you know all hoping their marketers you know all hoping their marketers you know turned the volume to 11 and they're turned the volume to 11 and they're turned the volume to 11 and they're trying to get people to maybe jump out trying to get people to maybe jump out trying to get people to maybe jump out of the current cycle they're in for of the current cycle they're in for of the current cycle they're in for buying and create a super cycle super buying and create a super cycle super buying and create a super cycle super cycle and um cycle and um cycle and um and and buy something out of band and so and and buy something out of band and so and and buy something out of band and so that was the hope for the aip's and and that was the hope for the aip's and and that was the hope for the aip's and and you're right there was no doubt there's you're right there was no doubt there's you're right there was no doubt there's a lot of talk to this new iPhone GNA be a lot of talk to this new iPhone GNA be a lot of talk to this new iPhone GNA be a super cycle and everybody's gonna go a super cycle and everybody's gonna go a super cycle and everybody's gonna go crazy and my answer is no um I'm not crazy and my answer is no um I'm not crazy and my answer is no um I'm not saying that the Apple intelligence isn't saying that the Apple intelligence isn't saying that the Apple intelligence isn't good stuff but as you know if you watch

good stuff but as you know if you watch good stuff but as you know if you watch we're not going to see it for a long we're not going to see it for a long we're not going to see it for a long time um barely little things will roll time um barely little things will roll time um barely little things will roll out later this year and most of it is out later this year and most of it is out later this year and most of it is going to roll out in going to roll out in going to roll out in 2025 and so so since it and and so so 2025 and so so since it and and so so 2025 and so so since it and and so so right now purchase of that phone is right now purchase of that phone is right now purchase of that phone is actually based on the phone and and I'd actually based on the phone and and I'd actually based on the phone and and I'd say the camera say the camera say the camera button yeah but let's yeah the camera button yeah but let's yeah the camera button yeah but let's yeah the camera button but let think about this for a button but let think about this for a button but let think about this for a moment the thing is is everyone else's moment the thing is is everyone else's moment the thing is is everyone else's is also beta they've just from a is also beta they've just from a is also beta they've just from a messaging perspective made it they've messaging perspective made it they've messaging perspective made it they've accelerated made it look like it's accelerated made it look like it's accelerated made it look like it's sooner than I mean maybe Apple's like 2 sooner than I mean maybe Apple's like 2 sooner than I mean maybe Apple's like 2 3 months off a quarter maybe two um 3 months off a quarter maybe two um 3 months off a quarter maybe two um Samsung's in there right they got in ear Samsung's in there right they got in ear Samsung's in there right they got in ear feel like don't don't you feel like feel like don't don't you feel like feel like don't don't you feel like Samsung was way earlier to the party to Samsung was way earlier to the party to Samsung was way earlier to the party to get AI baked into their Galaxy phones get AI baked into their Galaxy phones get AI baked into their Galaxy phones yeah you you're always at their events yeah you you're always at their events yeah you you're always at their events yeah no I they had this it's real stuff yeah no I they had this it's real stuff yeah no I they had this it's real stuff baked in their phone way early but baked in their phone way early but baked in their phone way early but here's the interesting thing is when I here's the interesting thing is when I here's the interesting thing is when I was in Berlin you know um I have you I was in Berlin you know um I have you I was in Berlin you know um I have you I have an Android phone as well I the have an Android phone as well I the have an Android phone as well I the Samsung Samsung Samsung S2 and um but the thing is I never used S2 and um but the thing is I never used S2 and um but the thing is I never used their the AI their the AI their the AI stuff I really don't I don't find it all stuff I really don't I don't find it all stuff I really don't I don't find it all that useful so it doesn't it wouldn't that useful so it doesn't it wouldn't that useful so it doesn't it wouldn't make a huge impact in my buy buying make a huge impact in my buy buying make a huge impact in my buy buying decision um because the stuff the the decision um because the stuff the the decision um because the stuff the the features are not that robust

features are not that robust features are not that robust also a lot of the also a lot of the also a lot of the features that they talked about are features that they talked about are features that they talked about are already in an iPhone as a Google service already in an iPhone as a Google service already in an iPhone as a Google service or for an apple or for an apple or for an apple service like for instance the translate service like for instance the translate service like for instance the translate stuff right yeah um yeah so I was with stuff right yeah um yeah so I was with stuff right yeah um yeah so I was with prash Sanam and we were he has a Android prash Sanam and we were he has a Android prash Sanam and we were he has a Android pH phone um I have both uh iPhone and pH phone um I have both uh iPhone and pH phone um I have both uh iPhone and Android phone and we were we were doing Android phone and we were we were doing Android phone and we were we were doing translations right because you we don't translations right because you we don't translations right because you we don't know how to read German and stuff like know how to read German and stuff like know how to read German and stuff like that yeah the features are already there that yeah the features are already there that yeah the features are already there so it's not that compelling of so it's not that compelling of so it's not that compelling of a I thought it was funny during the a I thought it was funny during the a I thought it was funny during the Apple event like you get chat gbt and Apple event like you get chat gbt and Apple event like you get chat gbt and I'm like we've been able to download I'm like we've been able to download I'm like we've been able to download chat gbt on our phone forever that's chat gbt on our phone forever that's chat gbt on our phone forever that's nothing new it's nothing new it's nothing new it's just the difference usually with apple just the difference usually with apple just the difference usually with apple is integration in the Apple ecosystem is integration in the Apple ecosystem is integration in the Apple ecosystem because what what Android has always because what what Android has always because what what Android has always been doing which I find extremely been doing which I find extremely been doing which I find extremely frustrating is that I mean you buy an frustrating is that I mean you buy an frustrating is that I mean you buy an Android phone from AT&T you have an AT&T Android phone from AT&T you have an AT&T Android phone from AT&T you have an AT&T photo app you have a Samsung Photo app photo app you have a Samsung Photo app photo app you have a Samsung Photo app and you have a Google photo app and and you have a Google photo app and and you have a Google photo app and which the heck the one you freaking use which the heck the one you freaking use which the heck the one you freaking use good point so I keep on buying Apple good point so I keep on buying Apple good point so I keep on buying Apple because I have my photos on my iPhone because I have my photos on my iPhone because I have my photos on my iPhone that naturally goes into my Mac PC on my that naturally goes into my Mac PC on my that naturally goes into my Mac PC on my desk naturally on my laptop naturally on desk naturally on my laptop naturally on desk naturally on my laptop naturally on my iPad and the whole thing is really my iPad and the whole thing is really my iPad and the whole thing is really integrated as an experience and this is integrated as an experience and this is integrated as an experience and this is something they do much much better than something they do much much better than something they do much much better than the rest yeah yeah I agree there talk the rest yeah yeah I agree there talk the rest yeah yeah I agree there talk about that you pay tax you pay a tax for about that you pay tax you pay a tax for about that you pay tax you pay a tax for that yeah it's more expensive but hey

that yeah it's more expensive but hey that yeah it's more expensive but hey really phones are becoming more really phones are becoming more really phones are becoming more expensive that's the yeah and plus the expensive that's the yeah and plus the expensive that's the yeah and plus the elephant in the room is I still Trust elephant in the room is I still Trust elephant in the room is I still Trust more when it comes to privacy that all more when it comes to privacy that all more when it comes to privacy that all the others because they make me pay more the others because they make me pay more the others because they make me pay more so that they don't have to sell my data so that they don't have to sell my data so that they don't have to sell my data to make their margin but they don't want to make their margin but they don't want to make their margin but they don't want more I mean look at how much all these more I mean look at how much all these more I mean look at how much all these phones cost the the same now if not are phones cost the the same now if not are phones cost the the same now if not are more expensive but the thing is is the more expensive but the thing is is the more expensive but the thing is is the the other interesting thing is Apple the other interesting thing is Apple the other interesting thing is Apple didn't charge more for the generative AI didn't charge more for the generative AI didn't charge more for the generative AI dude at the end of the day I think this dude at the end of the day I think this dude at the end of the day I think this is all just going to be Apple's joke on is all just going to be Apple's joke on is all just going to be Apple's joke on the industry where they the industry where they the industry where they say this stuff doesn't amount to a lot say this stuff doesn't amount to a lot say this stuff doesn't amount to a lot um we're just going to ride your um we're just going to ride your um we're just going to ride your ignorant um hype we're we're going to ignorant um hype we're we're going to ignorant um hype we're we're going to take advantage of it right but at the take advantage of it right but at the take advantage of it right but at the end of the day you can't charge more end of the day you can't charge more end of the day you can't charge more it's table stakes and you know what it's table stakes and you know what it's table stakes and you know what that's going to be a problem for that's going to be a problem for that's going to be a problem for everyone else sound like was talking everyone else sound like was talking everyone else sound like was talking about about about 5G you can't charge more it's table 5G you can't charge more it's table 5G you can't charge more it's table sticks right sticks right sticks right inre videos inre videos inre videos yeah go somewhere else I mean so I know yeah go somewhere else I mean so I know yeah go somewhere else I mean so I know I know non super interesting news and we I know non super interesting news and we I know non super interesting news and we can tie this into the Apple thing is can tie this into the Apple thing is can tie this into the Apple thing is this week Samsung's rolling out it's uh this week Samsung's rolling out it's uh this week Samsung's rolling out it's uh their you know their OS what do they their you know their OS what do they their you know their OS what do they call one UI call one UI call one UI 6.1.1 or whatever anyway to older

6.1.1 or whatever anyway to older 6.1.1 or whatever anyway to older devices so let's talk about this devices so let's talk about this devices so let's talk about this phenomenon when you know the last phenomenon when you know the last phenomenon when you know the last Samsung event that you were at they Samsung event that you were at they Samsung event that you were at they launch the latest Galaxy devices and launch the latest Galaxy devices and launch the latest Galaxy devices and it's got all this AI stuff and and they it's got all this AI stuff and and they it's got all this AI stuff and and they create the illusion that because you got create the illusion that because you got create the illusion that because you got this new phone and that's how you're this new phone and that's how you're this new phone and that's how you're able to do this AI stuff and then about able to do this AI stuff and then about able to do this AI stuff and then about a month later they go oh we're actually a month later they go oh we're actually a month later they go oh we're actually GNA put that out for last year's devices GNA put that out for last year's devices GNA put that out for last year's devices too and then a few months later oh even too and then a few months later oh even too and then a few months later oh even the year before last we're going to roll the year before last we're going to roll the year before last we're going to roll that out to it and so you start going uh that out to it and so you start going uh that out to it and so you start going uh I thought there was something special I thought there was something special I thought there was something special about this new phone that I needed in about this new phone that I needed in about this new phone that I needed in order to run this AI stuff but now it order to run this AI stuff but now it order to run this AI stuff but now it looks like it'll run on the old stuff looks like it'll run on the old stuff looks like it'll run on the old stuff yeah this could happen with apple too I yeah this could happen with apple too I yeah this could happen with apple too I think Apple was trying to create the think Apple was trying to create the think Apple was trying to create the illusion that you've got to get the illusion that you've got to get the illusion that you've got to get the brand new iPhone to run the AI stuff brand new iPhone to run the AI stuff brand new iPhone to run the AI stuff what happens when they roll it out there what happens when they roll it out there what happens when they roll it out there and then six months later they go you and then six months later they go you and then six months later they go you wouldn't believe what we decided to do wouldn't believe what we decided to do wouldn't believe what we decided to do our we tested in the labs and we found our we tested in the labs and we found our we tested in the labs and we found out that iPhone 15 the iPhone 15 can out that iPhone 15 the iPhone 15 can out that iPhone 15 the iPhone 15 can actually run this and we're back porting actually run this and we're back porting actually run this and we're back porting it people like yeah of course Apple may it people like yeah of course Apple may it people like yeah of course Apple may may not do that because you know there may not do that because you know there may not do that because you know there everybody remember everybody always has everybody remember everybody always has everybody remember everybody always has uh conspiracy theories about their phone uh conspiracy theories about their phone uh conspiracy theories about their phone slowing down their iPhone slowing down slowing down their iPhone slowing down slowing down their iPhone slowing down when it's time to upgrade and so it when it's time to upgrade and so it when it's time to upgrade and so it wouldn't surprise me if my existing wouldn't surprise me if my existing wouldn't surprise me if my existing iPhone somehow gets updated you know six iPhone somehow gets updated you know six iPhone somehow gets updated you know six months from now and it can run all the months from now and it can run all the months from now and it can run all the same stuff that iPhone 16 can do you same stuff that iPhone 16 can do you same stuff that iPhone 16 can do you know yeah but thinking more broadly uh know yeah but thinking more broadly uh know yeah but thinking more broadly uh beyond the iPhone so if you look at beyond the iPhone so if you look at beyond the iPhone so if you look at Apple intelligence um any of the

Apple intelligence um any of the Apple intelligence um any of the MacBooks that uh are loaded or powered MacBooks that uh are loaded or powered MacBooks that uh are loaded or powered by Apple silicon will be uh will be able by Apple silicon will be uh will be able by Apple silicon will be uh will be able to run Apple intelligence and so that's to run Apple intelligence and so that's to run Apple intelligence and so that's 11 the 11 mpu tops right and um probably 11 the 11 mpu tops right and um probably 11 the 11 mpu tops right and um probably 11 yeah but the the challenge is going 11 yeah but the the challenge is going 11 yeah but the the challenge is going to be for older generation and you know to be for older generation and you know to be for older generation and you know Apple always tended to have less memory Apple always tended to have less memory Apple always tended to have less memory right than Android Android typically right than Android Android typically right than Android Android typically doubled up and so one of the advantages doubled up and so one of the advantages doubled up and so one of the advantages that Samsung is going to have is they're that Samsung is going to have is they're that Samsung is going to have is they're going to have an an install base that going to have an an install base that going to have an an install base that tends to have twice the memory of any tends to have twice the memory of any tends to have twice the memory of any similar generation iPhone yeah but the similar generation iPhone yeah but the similar generation iPhone yeah but the architecture is very different so it's a architecture is very different so it's a architecture is very different so it's a it's always been a little bit of Apple it's always been a little bit of Apple it's always been a little bit of Apple to oranges comparison because apple is to oranges comparison because apple is to oranges comparison because apple is more sock where the CLA are together so more sock where the CLA are together so more sock where the CLA are together so but these things are these are memory but these things are these are memory but these things are these are memory bound type of you know AI yeah yeah bound type of you know AI yeah yeah bound type of you know AI yeah yeah workload might might be you might have a workload might might be you might have a workload might might be you might have a point point point interesting no I'm pretty sure I do have interesting no I'm pretty sure I do have interesting no I'm pretty sure I do have a a a point you know I mean I yeah I see where point you know I mean I yeah I see where point you know I mean I yeah I see where you're going forlo so for work I see you're going forlo so for work I see you're going forlo so for work I see where you're going yeah right Rob analy know going yeah right Rob analy know something occasionally that most people something occasionally that most people something occasionally that most people don't occasionally occasionally don't occasionally occasionally don't occasionally occasionally occasionally not let's not get crazy so

occasionally not let's not get crazy so occasionally not let's not get crazy so so exactly we episode 20 210 and you got so exactly we episode 20 210 and you got so exactly we episode 20 210 and you got one okay good one okay good one okay good no but I think it's going to create an no but I think it's going to create an no but I think it's going to create an interesting Trend where everyone's going interesting Trend where everyone's going interesting Trend where everyone's going to now try to figure out how to simplify to now try to figure out how to simplify to now try to figure out how to simplify the on device footprint um instead of the on device footprint um instead of the on device footprint um instead of this this talk about having you know 20 this this talk about having you know 20 this this talk about having you know 20 30 40 50 models running at the same time 30 40 50 models running at the same time 30 40 50 models running at the same time it's more about how do we reduce the it's more about how do we reduce the it's more about how do we reduce the footprint and have fewer models and um footprint and have fewer models and um footprint and have fewer models and um less resources being allocated to AI or less resources being allocated to AI or less resources being allocated to AI or or minimizing resources allocated to um or minimizing resources allocated to um or minimizing resources allocated to um you know AI I mean that's just the way you know AI I mean that's just the way you know AI I mean that's just the way that things are going to go and so that things are going to go and so that things are going to go and so anyway um that's where an area where anyway um that's where an area where anyway um that's where an area where apple is definitely pioneering because apple is definitely pioneering because apple is definitely pioneering because if anyone just goes goes and looks at if anyone just goes goes and looks at if anyone just goes goes and looks at the developer stuff um you start to see the developer stuff um you start to see the developer stuff um you start to see what uh what Apple's doing and they're what uh what Apple's doing and they're what uh what Apple's doing and they're you know they're they're doing some you know they're they're doing some you know they're they're doing some really really interesting stuff people really really interesting stuff people really really interesting stuff people just don't know just don't know just don't know it don't know it you have to remember it don't know it you have to remember it don't know it you have to remember that they were the first one to that they were the first one to that they were the first one to understand that if you want to be understand that if you want to be understand that if you want to be successful you have to bring an successful you have to bring an successful you have to bring an ecosystem if you remember the the MP3 ecosystem if you remember the the MP3 ecosystem if you remember the the MP3 Peri time when the iPod came out Peri time when the iPod came out Peri time when the iPod came out everybody ah it's just an MP3 player everybody ah it's just an MP3 player everybody ah it's just an MP3 player it's not as good is blah BL blah blah it's not as good is blah BL blah blah it's not as good is blah BL blah blah but it was not the iPod it was iTunes it but it was not the iPod it was iTunes it but it was not the iPod it was iTunes it was the relationship with the different was the relationship with the different was the relationship with the different producers the different relationship producers the different relationship producers the different relationship with the artist and then they came up

with the artist and then they came up with the artist and then they came up with the iPhone same idea people no but with the iPhone same idea people no but with the iPhone same idea people no but they came a little later they came a little later they came a little later but with the developer ecosystem with but with the developer ecosystem with but with the developer ecosystem with the distribution mechanism and you the distribution mechanism and you the distribution mechanism and you create the ecosystem and how much I know create the ecosystem and how much I know create the ecosystem and how much I know however people complain about the 30% however people complain about the 30% however people complain about the 30% cost of the the App Store it's a free cost of the the App Store it's a free cost of the the App Store it's a free distribution system that's right who distribution system that's right who distribution system that's right who else give you because I mean and else give you because I mean and else give you because I mean and especially I believe I do believe I've especially I believe I do believe I've especially I believe I do believe I've read a few article on that but I do read a few article on that but I do read a few article on that but I do believe that in a world where software believe that in a world where software believe that in a world where software production because of AI becomes more production because of AI becomes more production because of AI becomes more and more simple your distribution is and more simple your distribution is and more simple your distribution is going to be the main difference because going to be the main difference because going to be the main difference because you can write software with a ey you can write software with a ey you can write software with a ey somewhere in a corner and oh I got this somewhere in a corner and oh I got this somewhere in a corner and oh I got this great program now how do you get in great program now how do you get in great program now how do you get in front of people and how do you make front of people and how do you make front of people and how do you make money out of it that's no you're so money out of it that's no you're so money out of it that's no you're so you're so right what would all those you're so right what would all those you're so right what would all those developers be doing they'd have their developers be doing they'd have their developers be doing they'd have their website up and hoping people would come website up and hoping people would come website up and hoping people would come to their website to download their app to their website to download their app to their website to download their app so now they complain that they lose 30% so now they complain that they lose 30% so now they complain that they lose 30% but they gain but they gain but they gain 70 you're gonna get a lot of hate email 70 you're gonna get a lot of hate email 70 you're gonna get a lot of hate email like I get listen No but Demetri is like I get listen No but Demetri is like I get listen No but Demetri is right it's the difference between having right it's the difference between having right it's the difference between having your store out in the middle of nowhere your store out in the middle of nowhere your store out in the middle of nowhere or having your store at the mall or in or having your store at the mall or in or having your store at the mall or in the airport the airport the airport that's the difference and so you're that's the difference and so you're that's the difference and so you're paying extra you take a hit but more paying extra you take a hit but more paying extra you take a hit but more eyeballs and more foot traffic is eyeballs and more foot traffic is eyeballs and more foot traffic is happening for your app yeah uh then happening for your app yeah uh then happening for your app yeah uh then because before there was when we had because before there was when we had because before there was when we had apps in the wild west days when I apps in the wild west days when I apps in the wild west days when I invented the smartphone ecosystem people invented the smartphone ecosystem people invented the smartphone ecosystem people were just having downloading files from were just having downloading files from were just having downloading files from websites in the early 2000s you know cab websites in the early 2000s you know cab websites in the early 2000s you know cab files and things like that and there's files and things like that and there's files and things like that and there's some aggregators that would put stuff

some aggregators that would put stuff some aggregators that would put stuff together yeah getting found on the together yeah getting found on the together yeah getting found on the internet and so you're focus on search internet and so you're focus on search internet and so you're focus on search engine optimization and and you're engine optimization and and you're engine optimization and and you're buying display ads to try to people find buying display ads to try to people find buying display ads to try to people find you so they can find your app you know you so they can find your app you know you so they can find your app you know and so you know the App Store is Magic and so you know the App Store is Magic and so you know the App Store is Magic you know and even beyond the discovery you know and even beyond the discovery you know and even beyond the discovery because you got argue that the discovery because you got argue that the discovery because you got argue that the discovery is more difficult because there's so is more difficult because there's so is more difficult because there's so many apps it's just the you app is there many apps it's just the you app is there many apps it's just the you app is there there's a mechanism to upgrade there's a there's a mechanism to upgrade there's a there's a mechanism to upgrade there's a mechanism to connect you there's a mechanism to connect you there's a mechanism to connect you there's a mechanism it's it's the whole mechanism it's it's the whole mechanism it's it's the whole infrastructure of the distribution where infrastructure of the distribution where infrastructure of the distribution where the competition happens right and you the competition happens right and you the competition happens right and you know if you really look at how Google know if you really look at how Google know if you really look at how Google and apple I don't want to I don't want and apple I don't want to I don't want and apple I don't want to I don't want to you know alienate and you know label to you know alienate and you know label to you know alienate and you know label Google as a you know not Google Play Google as a you know not Google Play Google as a you know not Google Play yeah the the the the thing is is that yeah the the the the thing is is that yeah the the the the thing is is that they do help smaller players they they they do help smaller players they they they do help smaller players they they provide them with some discounts and you provide them with some discounts and you provide them with some discounts and you know uh some breaks so that they can um know uh some breaks so that they can um know uh some breaks so that they can um you develop their business right and um you develop their business right and um you develop their business right and um but but the thing is you're you're but but the thing is you're you're but but the thing is you're you're bringing up a great Point bringing up a great Point bringing up a great Point Dimitri the there that is where the Dimitri the there that is where the Dimitri the there that is where the competition is happening is between competition is happening is between competition is happening is between between developers but for the consumers between developers but for the consumers between developers but for the consumers I'll tell you right now man I don't I'll tell you right now man I don't I'll tell you right now man I don't trust developers there's no reason for trust developers there's no reason for trust developers there's no reason for me to think that they are developing me to think that they are developing me to think that they are developing something for you know uh that is

something for you know uh that is something for you know uh that is quality quality quality right they're going to they're going to right they're going to they're going to right they're going to they're going to push out some crap they may maybe push out some crap they may maybe push out some crap they may maybe tapping a third party service or tapping a third party service or tapping a third party service or something like that that is not something like that that is not something like that that is not trustworthy and they're ingraining it trustworthy and they're ingraining it trustworthy and they're ingraining it into their application exposing you to into their application exposing you to into their application exposing you to all kinds of all kinds of all kinds of issues um I'm not cool with that as a issues um I'm not cool with that as a issues um I'm not cool with that as a consumer and also don't want to spend consumer and also don't want to spend consumer and also don't want to spend the freaking time to do the homework and the freaking time to do the homework and the freaking time to do the homework and vet these developers no quite honestly vet these developers no quite honestly vet these developers no quite honestly man seriously I don't know why there is man seriously I don't know why there is man seriously I don't know why there is this assumption that developers all this assumption that developers all this assumption that developers all developers are there out to do good developers are there out to do good developers are there out to do good they're obviously not cuz they have they're obviously not cuz they have they're obviously not cuz they have these guys called hackers right and these guys called hackers right and these guys called hackers right and cyber cyber cyber criminals we got to get real yeah you criminals we got to get real yeah you criminals we got to get real yeah you can't sit there and color developers can't sit there and color developers can't sit there and color developers with the broad brush that they're all with the broad brush that they're all with the broad brush that they're all there trying to do good but one of the there trying to do good but one of the there trying to do good but one of the things that really bothers me is they things that really bothers me is they things that really bothers me is they like to you know there's this culture of like to you know there's this culture of like to you know there's this culture of pumping crap out there yeah and even and pumping crap out there yeah and even and pumping crap out there yeah and even and even Beyond not not with not just even Beyond not not with not just even Beyond not not with not just getting into hackers and some there's so getting into hackers and some there's so getting into hackers and some there's so much poorly written code because the much poorly written code because the much poorly written code because the user exp the thought through so this is user exp the thought through so this is user exp the thought through so this is actually why to some extent there was I actually why to some extent there was I actually why to some extent there was I think there was a reason you know think there was a reason you know think there was a reason you know everybody was proud in Europe because everybody was proud in Europe because everybody was proud in Europe because apparently we're forcing Apple to apparently we're forcing Apple to apparently we're forcing Apple to provide an iPhone without an app store provide an iPhone without an app store provide an iPhone without an app store well good luck with that good luck with well good luck with that good luck with well good luck with that good luck with that because the other mechanism of the that because the other mechanism of the that because the other mechanism of the App Store that there is as we said a App Store that there is as we said a App Store that there is as we said a certain level of scity on the quality of certain level of scity on the quality of certain level of scity on the quality of the code and there is certain check that the code and there is certain check that the code and there is certain check that the infrastructure provide to you for the infrastructure provide to you for the infrastructure provide to you for free that you're not going to get free that you're not going to get free that you're not going to get anymore so good luck with your priv you anymore so good luck with your priv you anymore so good luck with your priv you actually have private data issues on the

actually have private data issues on the actually have private data issues on the iold thanks to the European regulation iold thanks to the European regulation iold thanks to the European regulation because those apps that will be because those apps that will be because those apps that will be distributed outside of the App Store and distributed outside of the App Store and distributed outside of the App Store and bet you the first thing the guys going bet you the first thing the guys going bet you the first thing the guys going to do is sucks the data that they to do is sucks the data that they to do is sucks the data that they couldn't if they were writing an app for couldn't if they were writing an app for couldn't if they were writing an app for the App Store sounds a lot like a the App Store sounds a lot like a the App Store sounds a lot like a Chinese Android device to me yeah just Chinese Android device to me yeah just Chinese Android device to me yeah just hacked Oblivion side loading everything hacked Oblivion side loading everything hacked Oblivion side loading everything yeah remember the early days of the yeah remember the early days of the yeah remember the early days of the iPhone when people used to jailbreak the iPhone when people used to jailbreak the iPhone when people used to jailbreak the iPhone yeah to make it do things and and iPhone yeah to make it do things and and iPhone yeah to make it do things and and people do it you know but but again I people do it you know but but again I people do it you know but but again I think there is a I think we talked about think there is a I think we talked about think there is a I think we talked about that on this show but the you know I'm that on this show but the you know I'm that on this show but the you know I'm all for regulation but they have to be all for regulation but they have to be all for regulation but they have to be smart smart smart ones Tech it's rare it's rare yeah all ones Tech it's rare it's rare yeah all ones Tech it's rare it's rare yeah all right guys I have to go I have to go to right guys I have to go I have to go to right guys I have to go I have to go to a private meeting okay where I'm gonna a private meeting okay where I'm gonna a private meeting okay where I'm gonna be told secret stuff yeah because I'm an analyst enjoy have fun yeah so I'm not analyst enjoy have fun yeah so I'm not GNA be scraping scraping websites today GNA be scraping scraping websites today GNA be scraping scraping websites today to find out things I'm going to be told to find out things I'm going to be told to find out things I'm going to be told things try not try not to laugh too much things try not try not to laugh too much things try not try not to laugh too much Rob I'll try not to try not to oh my who Rob I'll try not to try not to oh my who Rob I'll try not to try not to oh my who wants to take us out are you gonna take wants to take us out are you gonna take wants to take us out are you gonna take us out before we leave or sure I'll take us out before we leave or sure I'll take us out before we leave or sure I'll take us out if you're ready all right hey us out if you're ready all right hey us out if you're ready all right hey guys thanks so much for hanging out with guys thanks so much for hanging out with guys thanks so much for hanging out with us uh at iot Coffee Talk on our special us uh at iot Coffee Talk on our special us uh at iot Coffee Talk on our special September 11th moment of silence episode September 11th moment of silence episode September 11th moment of silence episode uh yeah definitely think about what uh yeah definitely think about what uh yeah definitely think about what happened today if you're an American but happened today if you're an American but happened today if you're an American but people up around the world too um anyway

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