IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 220 - The Blame Game: CrowdStrike

5150 time impressive impressive always 5150 time impressive impressive always wow wow I screwed it up I don't know why wow wow I screwed it up I don't know why wow wow I screwed it up I don't know why I prom I just you know what I hate to I prom I just you know what I hate to I prom I just you know what I hate to say it I didn't even recognize this one say it I didn't even recognize this one say it I didn't even recognize this one I was just like I got nothing you know I was just like I got nothing you know I was just like I got nothing you know that's the song yeah yeah well I do have that's the song yeah yeah well I do have that's the song yeah yeah well I do have a 5150 IBM PC though you do yeah really a 5150 IBM PC though you do yeah really a 5150 IBM PC though you do yeah really course doesn't everybody with a metal course doesn't everybody with a metal course doesn't everybody with a metal keyboard and all that you know I mean keyboard and all that you know I mean keyboard and all that you know I mean and don't you have a museum yes you got and don't you have a museum yes you got and don't you have a museum yes you got a little Macintosh there so you know a little Macintosh there so you know a little Macintosh there so you know yeah come on oh my little Jimmy yeah come on oh my little Jimmy yeah come on oh my little Jimmy Hendricks is to over hold on Hendricks is to over hold on Hendricks is to over hold on oh you know Eric it's so cool that you oh you know Eric it's so cool that you oh you know Eric it's so cool that you just got a hat with just the logo on it just got a hat with just the logo on it just got a hat with just the logo on it you know you know we're like it's like you know you know we're like it's like you know you know we're like it's like Starbucks at this point right you know Starbucks at this point right you know Starbucks at this point right you know you don't the name it is like Starbucks you don't the name it is like Starbucks you don't the name it is like Starbucks that's exactly what I was thinking is at that's exactly what I was thinking is at that's exactly what I was thinking is at some point they're like we're just going some point they're like we're just going some point they're like we're just going to tape Starbucks coffee here CU to tape Starbucks coffee here CU to tape Starbucks coffee here CU everybody everybody everybody knows yeah knows yeah knows yeah um they're the kleenex of coffee yes and um they're the kleenex of coffee yes and um they're the kleenex of coffee yes and and so clear blade is the kleenex of iot and so clear blade is the kleenex of iot and so clear blade is the kleenex of iot or something like that I don't know we or something like that I don't know we or something like that I don't know we all have to blow our nose in something all have to blow our nose in something all have to blow our nose in something yeah so hey everyone welcome to iot yeah so hey everyone welcome to iot yeah so hey everyone welcome to iot Coffee Talk um remember to like share Coffee Talk um remember to like share Coffee Talk um remember to like share and uh if you managed to make it to the and uh if you managed to make it to the and uh if you managed to make it to the end of the episode uh comment and uh end of the episode uh comment and uh end of the episode uh comment and uh share your reactions we'd love to hear share your reactions we'd love to hear share your reactions we'd love to hear from you and also remember uh we come on from you and also remember uh we come on from you and also remember uh we come on here every week rain shine

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like oh crap this dark side yeah were like oh crap this dark side yeah were they a lot of them IDC people say no no they a lot of them IDC people say no no they a lot of them IDC people say no no they were they they were they they were they were people you know were people you know were people you know yeah I know a lot of IDC people that's yeah I know a lot of IDC people that's yeah I know a lot of IDC people that's the yeah it it's it's a hard job I the yeah it it's it's a hard job I the yeah it it's it's a hard job I actually sympathize with the analysts actually sympathize with the analysts actually sympathize with the analysts because it's hard to to dive deep and because it's hard to to dive deep and because it's hard to to dive deep and and with any real um insight and so so and with any real um insight and so so and with any real um insight and so so on Rob I you're you're perfect for it on Rob I you're you're perfect for it on Rob I you're you're perfect for it because you've been there done that and because you've been there done that and because you've been there done that and that's what made me so happy to see it that's what made me so happy to see it that's what made me so happy to see it yeah I appreciate that no you you're you yeah I appreciate that no you you're you yeah I appreciate that no you you're you know when I went through the interview know when I went through the interview know when I went through the interview process I had to write like you know a process I had to write like you know a process I had to write like you know a 2500w report and presentation and stuff 2500w report and presentation and stuff 2500w report and presentation and stuff like that and it is tough unless you're like that and it is tough unless you're like that and it is tough unless you're talking to the product managers and the talking to the product managers and the talking to the product managers and the different companies that are working on different companies that are working on different companies that are working on the things that you know you're covering the things that you know you're covering the things that you know you're covering in your scope of work whatever uh as in your scope of work whatever uh as in your scope of work whatever uh as opposed to like anybody else I'm opposed to like anybody else I'm opposed to like anybody else I'm scraping the internet to find out what scraping the internet to find out what scraping the internet to find out what the heck you know this company's doing the heck you know this company's doing the heck you know this company's doing you know or do they fit into this box you know or do they fit into this box you know or do they fit into this box yeah you know or try to create narrative yeah you know or try to create narrative yeah you know or try to create narrative cut through the BS right because all of cut through the BS right because all of cut through the BS right because all of us have BS it's like get real and you us have BS it's like get real and you us have BS it's like get real and you know say oh yeah yeah okay I get that know say oh yeah yeah okay I get that know say oh yeah yeah okay I get that you're selling yourself but let's get to you're selling yourself but let's get to you're selling yourself but let's get to the real what it actually does and right the real what it actually does and right the real what it actually does and right to make Fair comparisons that's hardart to make Fair comparisons that's hardart to make Fair comparisons that's hardart to do yeah yeah so I'll be focused on to do yeah yeah so I'll be focused on to do yeah yeah so I'll be focused on cloud dedicated Cloud infrastructure AKA

cloud dedicated Cloud infrastructure AKA cloud dedicated Cloud infrastructure AKA private Cloud Edge stuff like that no private Cloud Edge stuff like that no private Cloud Edge stuff like that no iot no iot oh my iot no iot oh my iot no iot oh my God no Edge is Edge is a good thing to God no Edge is Edge is a good thing to God no Edge is Edge is a good thing to focus on though there's so much out focus on though there's so much out focus on though there's so much out there you know when you think when I there you know when you think when I there you know when you think when I think of iot and IDC I go back to did think of iot and IDC I go back to did think of iot and IDC I go back to did you ever know Carrie you ever know Carrie you ever know Carrie melray uh she used to leave iot stuff melray uh she used to leave iot stuff melray uh she used to leave iot stuff for IDC and then um I remember running for IDC and then um I remember running for IDC and then um I remember running into her she I guess towards the end into her she I guess towards the end into her she I guess towards the end when she was you I know she left IDC she when she was you I know she left IDC she when she was you I know she left IDC she was doing Telecom and so I remember last was doing Telecom and so I remember last was doing Telecom and so I remember last time I saw her was literally in Boston time I saw her was literally in Boston time I saw her was literally in Boston right before we locked down for Co it right before we locked down for Co it right before we locked down for Co it was in the winter it was snowing and we was in the winter it was snowing and we was in the winter it was snowing and we had I was at Ericson and we were doing a had I was at Ericson and we were doing a had I was at Ericson and we were doing a analyst day kind of thing you know so analyst day kind of thing you know so analyst day kind of thing you know so many of the firms in and around the many of the firms in and around the many of the firms in and around the Boston area you know or in Connecticut Boston area you know or in Connecticut Boston area you know or in Connecticut and so remember running into her there and so remember running into her there and so remember running into her there and she was the one who actually and she was the one who actually and she was the one who actually recommended me to do start doing the recommended me to do start doing the recommended me to do start doing the briefings all these military briefings briefings all these military briefings briefings all these military briefings I've been doing like three times a year I've been doing like three times a year I've been doing like three times a year so that was so that was so that was cool anywh who yes I'm actually talking cool anywh who yes I'm actually talking cool anywh who yes I'm actually talking to IDC tomorrow so prw for I don't even to IDC tomorrow so prw for I don't even to IDC tomorrow so prw for I don't even I don't even know who's running uh iot I don't even know who's running uh iot I don't even know who's running uh iot guy Nam Jonathan Lang okay I'll look him guy Nam Jonathan Lang okay I'll look him guy Nam Jonathan Lang okay I'll look him up yeah so anyway congrats on the new up yeah so anyway congrats on the new up yeah so anyway congrats on the new game man that's cool thank you thank game man that's cool thank you thank game man that's cool thank you thank you yeah writing reports making

you yeah writing reports making you yeah writing reports making copies Yeah well yeah you know it's it's um you Yeah well yeah you know it's it's um you know with the big firms it's an know with the big firms it's an know with the big firms it's an interesting thing right it's it's um interesting thing right it's it's um interesting thing right it's it's um it's a it's it's a machine you know so it's a it's it's a machine you know so it's a it's it's a machine you know so um but I mean the resources that you're um but I mean the resources that you're um but I mean the resources that you're going to be able to tap into it's pretty going to be able to tap into it's pretty going to be able to tap into it's pretty cool you know and you're going to be cool you know and you're going to be cool you know and you're going to be make you're going to be working with our make you're going to be working with our make you're going to be working with our friend which one David right Dave yes friend which one David right Dave yes friend which one David right Dave yes he's my boss McCarthy oh yeah my boss he's my boss McCarthy oh yeah my boss he's my boss McCarthy oh yeah my boss that dude is a good one that's how all that dude is a good one that's how all that dude is a good one that's how all this happened Dave and I were this happened Dave and I were this happened Dave and I were talking yeah yeah I love that guy that talking yeah yeah I love that guy that talking yeah yeah I love that guy that guy's a cool dude yeah yeah he's really guy's a cool dude yeah yeah he's really guy's a cool dude yeah yeah he's really he's a really good guy no doubt about it he's a really good guy no doubt about it he's a really good guy no doubt about it um so yeah it's it's G to be fun good um so yeah it's it's G to be fun good um so yeah it's it's G to be fun good good team that I'm on and everything and good team that I'm on and everything and good team that I'm on and everything and U yeah yeah yeah so just so U yeah yeah yeah so just so U yeah yeah yeah so just so you this was hard for me to understand you this was hard for me to understand you this was hard for me to understand or learn this notion of dedicated Cloud or learn this notion of dedicated Cloud or learn this notion of dedicated Cloud infrastructure I think with the takeaway infrastructure I think with the takeaway infrastructure I think with the takeaway of what that is it it came out of of what that is it it came out of of what that is it it came out of private Cloud kind of stuff but I think private Cloud kind of stuff but I think private Cloud kind of stuff but I think the thinking was um a whole lot of folks the thinking was um a whole lot of folks the thinking was um a whole lot of folks wanted to have that cloud EXP wanted to have that cloud EXP wanted to have that cloud EXP on Prem like the same experience like on Prem like the same experience like on Prem like the same experience like when you go into AWS or Azure portal and when you go into AWS or Azure portal and when you go into AWS or Azure portal and how easy it is to point and click your how easy it is to point and click your how easy it is to point and click your way to getting infrastructure instead way to getting infrastructure instead way to getting infrastructure instead doing yourself and so you know over time doing yourself and so you know over time doing yourself and so you know over time you saw private clish stuff hyperscalers

you saw private clish stuff hyperscalers you saw private clish stuff hyperscalers providing on-prem stuff um but then on providing on-prem stuff um but then on providing on-prem stuff um but then on the other side you know you got HP and the other side you know you got HP and the other side you know you got HP and Dell and other folks also in that space Dell and other folks also in that space Dell and other folks also in that space VMware um VMware um VMware um yeah yeah right you know because I think yeah yeah right you know because I think yeah yeah right you know because I think that's what you know for that that's what you know for that that's what you know for that combination of I still want so much on combination of I still want so much on combination of I still want so much on Prem or so much Edge stuff but I want to Prem or so much Edge stuff but I want to Prem or so much Edge stuff but I want to be able to manage it the way I do the be able to manage it the way I do the be able to manage it the way I do the cloud as opposed to the good old days cloud as opposed to the good old days cloud as opposed to the good old days where I actually I'm crawling around where I actually I'm crawling around where I actually I'm crawling around with cables and doing all the hard work with cables and doing all the hard work with cables and doing all the hard work with servers you know yeah yeah yeah with servers you know yeah yeah yeah with servers you know yeah yeah yeah don't you think that's where we're going don't you think that's where we're going don't you think that's where we're going over the next couple decades going to be over the next couple decades going to be over the next couple decades going to be ubiquitous infrastructure so yeah yeah ubiquitous infrastructure so yeah yeah ubiquitous infrastructure so yeah yeah you know I remember seeing like when I you know I remember seeing like when I you know I remember seeing like when I was at was at was at Hitachi um at least Hitachi Data Systems Hitachi um at least Hitachi Data Systems Hitachi um at least Hitachi Data Systems in Santa Clara their big thing was these in Santa Clara their big thing was these in Santa Clara their big thing was these hyperon converged systems Sciences yeah hyperon converged systems Sciences yeah hyperon converged systems Sciences yeah just Mega server insane amounts of ram just Mega server insane amounts of ram just Mega server insane amounts of ram crazy storage with the notion of it's crazy storage with the notion of it's crazy storage with the notion of it's almost like a local cloud is kind of almost like a local cloud is kind of almost like a local cloud is kind of thing on Prim that you could just point thing on Prim that you could just point thing on Prim that you could just point and click your way and scale up and all and click your way and scale up and all and click your way and scale up and all that kind of stuff in fact you know we that kind of stuff in fact you know we that kind of stuff in fact you know we we uh I remember back then we used one we uh I remember back then we used one we uh I remember back then we used one of the hyperon converged offerings from of the hyperon converged offerings from of the hyperon converged offerings from Hitachi to create a lumata iot hardware Hitachi to create a lumata iot hardware Hitachi to create a lumata iot hardware offering actually because there were offering actually because there were offering actually because there were some companies uh that said oh could you some companies uh that said oh could you some companies uh that said oh could you just roll in this whole thing just roll in this whole thing just roll in this whole thing preconfigured on PR for us into our

preconfigured on PR for us into our preconfigured on PR for us into our Factory floor sure and so that was my Factory floor sure and so that was my Factory floor sure and so that was my first experience with those kind of first experience with those kind of first experience with those kind of hyperon converge systems and I think hyperon converge systems and I think hyperon converge systems and I think that was kind of leading the way to that that was kind of leading the way to that that was kind of leading the way to that more cloud-like on Prem environment well more cloud-like on Prem environment well more cloud-like on Prem environment well if you think about it that's what what's if you think about it that's what what's if you think about it that's what what's happening in AI supercomputing right now happening in AI supercomputing right now happening in AI supercomputing right now with you know that's what uh you know a with you know that's what uh you know a with you know that's what uh you know a gb200 MV mvl 72 is right I think I got gb200 MV mvl 72 is right I think I got gb200 MV mvl 72 is right I think I got that that that right I mean that's what it is right is right I mean that's what it is right is right I mean that's what it is right is a hyperon converged supercomputing a hyperon converged supercomputing a hyperon converged supercomputing freaking Appliance yeah a whole Rack or freaking Appliance yeah a whole Rack or freaking Appliance yeah a whole Rack or a whole massive multirack cluster yeah a whole massive multirack cluster yeah a whole massive multirack cluster yeah is so you're right so you got a lot of is so you're right so you got a lot of is so you're right so you got a lot of the traditional it vendors players all the traditional it vendors players all the traditional it vendors players all kind of diving into that space you know kind of diving into that space you know kind of diving into that space you know to try to simplify that for customers to try to simplify that for customers to try to simplify that for customers we're you know you know how we talk we're you know you know how we talk we're you know you know how we talk about how I mean there's like a shortage about how I mean there's like a shortage about how I mean there's like a shortage there's not a lot of people traditional there's not a lot of people traditional there's not a lot of people traditional it people that still know how to do it people that still know how to do it people that still know how to do things that we used to have to know how things that we used to have to know how things that we used to have to know how to do on PR at a company you know what I to do on PR at a company you know what I to do on PR at a company you know what I mean how to build servers and networks mean how to build servers and networks mean how to build servers and networks and DNS and all that hard stuff that we and DNS and all that hard stuff that we and DNS and all that hard stuff that we used to have to do before the cloud came used to have to do before the cloud came used to have to do before the cloud came and you just point and click you have a and you just point and click you have a and you just point and click you have a whole generation of point click Cloud whole generation of point click Cloud whole generation of point click Cloud people who have no idea how to actually people who have no idea how to actually people who have no idea how to actually do the work oh yeah dude it's worse than do the work oh yeah dude it's worse than do the work oh yeah dude it's worse than that I think you have a bunch of service that I think you have a bunch of service that I think you have a bunch of service managers they manage vendors actually managers they manage vendors actually managers they manage vendors actually more and manage service providers than more and manage service providers than more and manage service providers than they do actually do the work right yeah they do actually do the work right yeah they do actually do the work right yeah they farmed everything out you know

they farmed everything out you know they farmed everything out you know something that you really saw uh the something that you really saw uh the something that you really saw uh the media companies actually in the media media companies actually in the media media companies actually in the media entertainment industry when I was entertainment industry when I was entertainment industry when I was working and you know Consulting in that working and you know Consulting in that working and you know Consulting in that area they were making big moves they area they were making big moves they area they were making big moves they were like one of the first to really were like one of the first to really were like one of the first to really make those big shifts but anyways yeah I make those big shifts but anyways yeah I make those big shifts but anyways yeah I never knew how to do it when I was there never knew how to do it when I was there never knew how to do it when I was there I mean I used to have to go to the the I mean I used to have to go to the the I mean I used to have to go to the the server room and give the the guy food so server room and give the the guy food so server room and give the the guy food so he would set up my CICS give him a he would set up my CICS give him a he would set up my CICS give him a coffee like you used to you're you know coffee like you used to you're you know coffee like you used to you're you know you're some 22y old kid programming go you're some 22y old kid programming go you're some 22y old kid programming go please do my CICS entry and you find out please do my CICS entry and you find out please do my CICS entry and you find out it's four characters in a table and it it's four characters in a table and it it's four characters in a table and it took him a week and a half I'm like I took him a week and a half I'm like I took him a week and a half I'm like I had to give the guy food you know do had to give the guy food you know do had to give the guy food you know do screens for food oh my God you you had screens for food oh my God you you had screens for food oh my God you you had to pay homage to the to the Mainframe to pay homage to the to the Mainframe to pay homage to the to the Mainframe Wizards that's right and you Lear were Wizards that's right and you Lear were Wizards that's right and you Lear were those guys were those guys wearing robes those guys were those guys wearing robes those guys were those guys wearing robes and stuff they were as far as I was they and stuff they were as far as I was they and stuff they were as far as I was they were robes it was like you know you go were robes it was like you know you go were robes it was like you know you go give your offering and you and you and give your offering and you and you and give your offering and you and you and you just hope not to be beaten on your you just hope not to be beaten on your you just hope not to be beaten on your way out the door yeah you way out the door yeah you way out the door yeah you have absolutely yeah and you know Eric I have absolutely yeah and you know Eric I have absolutely yeah and you know Eric I mean gosh your business is so Edge mean gosh your business is so Edge mean gosh your business is so Edge focused it seems like or a lot of it is focused it seems like or a lot of it is focused it seems like or a lot of it is and The Edge inherently needs those kind and The Edge inherently needs those kind and The Edge inherently needs those kind of of of skills yeah those on Prim those out in skills yeah those on Prim those out in skills yeah those on Prim those out in the middle of nowhere or whatever skills the middle of nowhere or whatever skills the middle of nowhere or whatever skills with computers and networking you know with computers and networking you know with computers and networking you know just the basic infrastructure and I feel just the basic infrastructure and I feel just the basic infrastructure and I feel like and we've a lot of people don't like and we've a lot of people don't like and we've a lot of people don't seem to have those skills anymore yeah seem to have those skills anymore yeah seem to have those skills anymore yeah I'm constantly amazed at the people that I'm constantly amazed at the people that I'm constantly amazed at the people that we have that we brought in from places

we have that we brought in from places we have that we brought in from places like Dell and others then mix the like Dell and others then mix the like Dell and others then mix the hardware side of the world with the hardware side of the world with the hardware side of the world with the software side those people are so software side those people are so software side those people are so valuable they're out in the field in valuable they're out in the field in valuable they're out in the field in West Texas with spiders and they're West Texas with spiders and they're West Texas with spiders and they're installing equipment and really I mean installing equipment and really I mean installing equipment and really I mean like it's it's scary the stuff that they like it's it's scary the stuff that they like it's it's scary the stuff that they have to do and I'm like gosh that's why have to do and I'm like gosh that's why have to do and I'm like gosh that's why this stuff is so hard you got to know this stuff is so hard you got to know this stuff is so hard you got to know you know one you got to dodge the you know one you got to dodge the you know one you got to dodge the elements and then you got to be out elements and then you got to be out elements and then you got to be out there with wild cats and boots and then there with wild cats and boots and then there with wild cats and boots and then you're also the tech the tech person and you're also the tech the tech person and you're also the tech the tech person and overall remember Rob our uh our uh iot overall remember Rob our uh our uh iot overall remember Rob our uh our uh iot plumbers episode so folks if you didn't plumbers episode so folks if you didn't plumbers episode so folks if you didn't watch that you should watch it it's watch that you should watch it it's watch that you should watch it it's really number one it's funny and number really number one it's funny and number really number one it's funny and number two it's it's it's just thought leading two it's it's it's just thought leading two it's it's it's just thought leading you know I never erase the image of you know I never erase the image of you know I never erase the image of Aaron alsbrook wearing like biohazard Aaron alsbrook wearing like biohazard Aaron alsbrook wearing like biohazard suits and stuff like that you know it's suits and stuff like that you know it's suits and stuff like that you know it's burned in my memory forever Aaron loves burned in my memory forever Aaron loves burned in my memory forever Aaron loves that stuff so he he get to go I would that stuff so he he get to go I would that stuff so he he get to go I would laugh because we' go on site and we're laugh because we' go on site and we're laugh because we' go on site and we're the we're the guys out there with the the we're the guys out there with the the we're the guys out there with the boots that are uncuffed right because we boots that are uncuffed right because we boots that are uncuffed right because we just bought them to go on site yeah just bought them to go on site yeah just bought them to go on site yeah you're you're at this like industrial you're you're at this like industrial you're you're at this like industrial site and you're trying to be cool and site and you're trying to be cool and site and you're trying to be cool and you realize hey look I'm the tech nerd you realize hey look I'm the tech nerd you realize hey look I'm the tech nerd like that doesn't do this you know I've like that doesn't do this you know I've like that doesn't do this you know I've got other folks that do that but yeah got other folks that do that but yeah got other folks that do that but yeah Aaron Aaron really really likes digging Aaron Aaron really really likes digging Aaron Aaron really really likes digging in it was pretty cool yeah those those in it was pretty cool yeah those those in it was pretty cool yeah those those guys are looking at you going oh yeah guys are looking at you going oh yeah guys are looking at you going oh yeah look at these City Slickers that bought look at these City Slickers that bought look at these City Slickers that bought their brand new Luc Casey Luther skin their brand new Luc Casey Luther skin their brand new Luc Casey Luther skin alligator boots that aren't scuffed look alligator boots that aren't scuffed look alligator boots that aren't scuffed look at look at the hands of the programmer at look at the hands of the programmer at look at the hands of the programmer right there's not a callous on them

right there's not a callous on them right there's not a callous on them right these are hands made for needle right these are hands made for needle right these are hands made for needle point construction okay Eric I think point construction okay Eric I think point construction okay Eric I think what you said right there there is a what you said right there there is a what you said right there there is a move movie moment from the move movie moment from the move movie moment from the 1980s where someone looked at someone 1980s where someone looked at someone 1980s where someone looked at someone else's hands to determine if they'd ever else's hands to determine if they'd ever else's hands to determine if they'd ever done A Hard Day's Work in their life do done A Hard Day's Work in their life do done A Hard Day's Work in their life do we remember what movie that was gosh oh we remember what movie that was gosh oh we remember what movie that was gosh oh my gosh I don't but but I but I know I my gosh I don't but but I but I know I my gosh I don't but but I but I know I know it when you're gonna when you say know it when you're gonna when you say know it when you're gonna when you say it well you know I think it was um a it well you know I think it was um a it well you know I think it was um a woman was looking at some guy's hand you woman was looking at some guy's hand you woman was looking at some guy's hand you know he was previously a big-time you know he was previously a big-time you know he was previously a big-time you know Commodities Trader named Dan arroy know Commodities Trader named Dan arroy know Commodities Trader named Dan arroy in Chicago and then he to trade places in Chicago and then he to trade places in Chicago and then he to trade places with Eddie Murphy yes yes that was it oh with Eddie Murphy yes yes that was it oh with Eddie Murphy yes yes that was it oh my gosh you're going way back and Chico my gosh you're going way back and Chico my gosh you're going way back and Chico Olive hands and jam Lee Curtis you know Olive hands and jam Lee Curtis you know Olive hands and jam Lee Curtis you know the kind-hearted you know the kind-hearted you know the kind-hearted you know prostitute um took him in any other kind prostitute um took him in any other kind prostitute um took him in any other kind yeah right right it's like oh you yeah right right it's like oh you yeah right right it's like oh you haven't done A Hard Day's Work in your haven't done A Hard Day's Work in your haven't done A Hard Day's Work in your life maybe you're telling the truth life maybe you're telling the truth life maybe you're telling the truth after all you're a Commodities Trader in after all you're a Commodities Trader in after all you're a Commodities Trader in Chicago yeah see my trick was always to Chicago yeah see my trick was always to Chicago yeah see my trick was always to own it it's like when everyone says Hey own it it's like when everyone says Hey own it it's like when everyone says Hey look I'm the tech nerd like you guys you look I'm the tech nerd like you guys you look I'm the tech nerd like you guys you know exactly what you're doing we're know exactly what you're doing we're know exactly what you're doing we're just here not to get in your way and just here not to get in your way and just here not to get in your way and please don't you know please don't this please don't you know please don't this please don't you know please don't this yeah that's cool that you're out in West yeah that's cool that you're out in West yeah that's cool that you're out in West Texas with spiders and snakes and Texas with spiders and snakes and Texas with spiders and snakes and scorpions I wasn't I've sent very scorpions I wasn't I've sent very scorpions I wasn't I've sent very talented people out to West Texas who talented people out to West Texas who talented people out to West Texas who sent me pictures of the spiders and I'm sent me pictures of the spiders and I'm sent me pictures of the spiders and I'm like oh my gosh you need Hazard

like oh my gosh you need Hazard like oh my gosh you need Hazard tarantula yeah tarantulas and dust tarantula yeah tarantulas and dust tarantula yeah tarantulas and dust storms and all sorts of stuff hey so hey storms and all sorts of stuff hey so hey storms and all sorts of stuff hey so hey Pete where are you dude Pete where are you dude Pete where are you dude yeah good question I'm in Las Vegas you yeah good question I'm in Las Vegas you yeah good question I'm in Las Vegas you are but you don't know where you are are but you don't know where you are are but you don't know where you are well no I know where I am now yeah well no I know where I am now yeah well no I know where I am now yeah figured it out I'm at the aiaa which is figured it out I'm at the aiaa which is figured it out I'm at the aiaa which is this avionics uh Aerospace convention oh this avionics uh Aerospace convention oh this avionics uh Aerospace convention oh yeah I got like speaking on a panel yeah I got like speaking on a panel yeah I got like speaking on a panel today about tiny ML and Ai and avionics today about tiny ML and Ai and avionics today about tiny ML and Ai and avionics which I know a lot about the first part which I know a lot about the first part which I know a lot about the first part but the second part I really don't know but the second part I really don't know but the second part I really don't know anything so I'm gonna I'm going to try anything so I'm gonna I'm going to try anything so I'm gonna I'm going to try to get educated this morning you should to get educated this morning you should to get educated this morning you should probably tell them to not put it in probably tell them to not put it in probably tell them to not put it in avionics yeah there you go don't put a l avionics yeah there you go don't put a l avionics yeah there you go don't put a l don't don't let a LM fly hallucinate don't don't let a LM fly hallucinate don't don't let a LM fly hallucinate hallucinating your hallucinating your hallucinating your plane show actually yeah it's like uh plane show actually yeah it's like uh plane show actually yeah it's like uh it's like you know NASA people here and it's like you know NASA people here and it's like you know NASA people here and oh that's cool air force people space oh that's cool air force people space oh that's cool air force people space force people so that's awesome AES real force people so that's awesome AES real force people so that's awesome AES real thing right space force I thought it was thing right space force I thought it was thing right space force I thought it was Netflix ComEd with the Star Trek logo Netflix ComEd with the Star Trek logo Netflix ComEd with the Star Trek logo that's like the best part about space that's like the best part about space that's like the best part about space force is they went with the Star Trek force is they went with the Star Trek force is they went with the Star Trek logo for their logo you know that's like logo for their logo you know that's like logo for their logo you know that's like awesomeness that they decided to do that awesomeness that they decided to do that awesomeness that they decided to do that very meta yeah it is I wonder if they very meta yeah it is I wonder if they very meta yeah it is I wonder if they use use use [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] communicators anyway so I'm just here communicators anyway so I'm just here communicators anyway so I'm just here for the day and I'm coming back tonight for the day and I'm coming back tonight for the day and I'm coming back tonight so I did have a really nice dinner at

so I did have a really nice dinner at so I did have a really nice dinner at rocku last night though leard thank you rocku last night though leard thank you rocku last night though leard thank you for that the reminder reminder right you for that the reminder reminder right you for that the reminder reminder right you already reminder yes I was there once already reminder yes I was there once already reminder yes I was there once Delicious Japanese food yes so anybody Delicious Japanese food yes so anybody Delicious Japanese food yes so anybody who goes to Las Vegas and wants to get who goes to Las Vegas and wants to get who goes to Las Vegas and wants to get off the strip and get some real good off the strip and get some real good off the strip and get some real good Japanese sushi and uh yeah other stuff Japanese sushi and uh yeah other stuff Japanese sushi and uh yeah other stuff go to Raku all go to Raku all go to Raku all dishes smart is it 1,000 degrees there dishes smart is it 1,000 degrees there dishes smart is it 1,000 degrees there right now Pete oh it is ridiculous I was right now Pete oh it is ridiculous I was right now Pete oh it is ridiculous I was walking last night about 10 o'clock at walking last night about 10 o'clock at walking last night about 10 o'clock at night it was like n in the 90s at like night it was like n in the 90s at like night it was like n in the 90s at like 10 o'clock at night yeah and I was like 10 o'clock at night yeah and I was like 10 o'clock at night yeah and I was like what is this so so bizarre and of course what is this so so bizarre and of course what is this so so bizarre and of course today yeah it's like 105 106 so you know today yeah it's like 105 106 so you know today yeah it's like 105 106 so you know yeah you don't I was just in Rome like yeah you don't I was just in Rome like yeah you don't I was just in Rome like the last two days it was 100 degrees in the last two days it was 100 degrees in the last two days it was 100 degrees in Rome oh my God insanely hot dude Europe Rome oh my God insanely hot dude Europe Rome oh my God insanely hot dude Europe is like toast when it comes ital always is like toast when it comes ital always is like toast when it comes ital always is baking in the summer now the past is baking in the summer now the past is baking in the summer now the past couple of Summers they have these really couple of Summers they have these really couple of Summers they have these really big heat waves really dangerous yeah big heat waves really dangerous yeah big heat waves really dangerous yeah it's so nice to see tosty yeah it's so it's so nice to see tosty yeah it's so it's so nice to see tosty yeah it's so nice to see Mr Vasquez nice to see Mr Vasquez nice to see Mr Vasquez yeah on the scene how's it going man I'm yeah on the scene how's it going man I'm yeah on the scene how's it going man I'm good Yankees hat who won in Extra good Yankees hat who won in Extra good Yankees hat who won in Extra Innings last night against the philli Innings last night against the philli Innings last night against the philli fin well this one's more important Team fin well this one's more important Team fin well this one's more important Team USA yeah but yeah I'm actually working USA yeah but yeah I'm actually working USA yeah but yeah I'm actually working on a deck for Pete for his avionic show on a deck for Pete for his avionic show on a deck for Pete for his avionic show he's going to pitch a subscription to he's going to pitch a subscription to he's going to pitch a subscription to the bathroom uh and if it's not part of the bathroom uh and if it's not part of the bathroom uh and if it's not part of your economy ticket you're not able to your economy ticket you're not able to your economy ticket you're not able to use it it's like a coin operated you

use it it's like a coin operated you use it it's like a coin operated you have to put quarters have to put quarters have to put quarters in 30 seconds per it's like a car wash in 30 seconds per it's like a car wash in 30 seconds per it's like a car wash like you like you like you know love know love know love that I'm not touching that oh you guys that I'm not touching that oh you guys that I'm not touching that oh you guys must work you guys must work for Ryan ER must work you guys must work for Ryan ER must work you guys must work for Ryan ER there you go did it freeze oh my God you there you go did it freeze oh my God you there you go did it freeze oh my God you froze David yeah you froze you're in the froze David yeah you froze you're in the froze David yeah you froze you're in the digital divide see everybody this is why digital divide see everybody this is why digital divide see everybody this is why you need to donate to elevate our kids you need to donate to elevate our kids you need to donate to elevate our kids is because of this he has children need is because of this he has children need is because of this he has children need to give new laptop has children they to give new laptop has children they to give new laptop has children they need new they need an internet need new they need an internet need new they need an internet connection he needs that fiber optics to connection he needs that fiber optics to connection he needs that fiber optics to his house exactly what is this this his house exactly what is this this his house exactly what is this this ridiculous know I know but that's we ridiculous know I know but that's we ridiculous know I know but that's we should take a screenshot of that should take a screenshot of that should take a screenshot of that actually oh too late you actually oh too late you actually oh too late you know that's know that's know that's his reboot the router yeah his reboot the router yeah his reboot the router yeah nice nice nice yeah works every but David David I want yeah works every but David David I want yeah works every but David David I want to get your I want to get your reaction to get your I want to get your reaction to get your I want to get your reaction to Rob's new to Rob's new to Rob's new gig well I gig well I gig well I concerned because first of all he looks concerned because first of all he looks concerned because first of all he looks like he's employed already there's like he's employed already there's like he's employed already there's several centimet from so I think the several centimet from so I think the several centimet from so I think the changes have commenced yes and and I changes have commenced yes and and I changes have commenced yes and and I hope I hope corporate look that man hope I hope corporate look that man hope I hope corporate look that man right there is able to deliver value to right there is able to deliver value to right there is able to deliver value to new corporate clients over at that three new corporate clients over at that three new corporate clients over at that three initial company I'm not going to say who initial company I'm not going to say who initial company I'm not going to say who because they're not supporting elevator because they're not supporting elevator because they're not supporting elevator kids just yet but he's able to do this

kids just yet but he's able to do this kids just yet but he's able to do this the I think iot Coffee Talk will become the I think iot Coffee Talk will become the I think iot Coffee Talk will become more critical to Rob's mental well-being more critical to Rob's mental well-being more critical to Rob's mental well-being CU you know we what is said here folks CU you know we what is said here folks CU you know we what is said here folks you just cannot find it anywhere else you just cannot find it anywhere else you just cannot find it anywhere else and it's great so but Rob congrats to and it's great so but Rob congrats to and it's great so but Rob congrats to you thanks I hope we I hope we could you thanks I hope we I hope we could you thanks I hope we I hope we could keep you cuz you are irreplaceable my keep you cuz you are irreplaceable my keep you cuz you are irreplaceable my friend oh that's so lovely to say wow friend oh that's so lovely to say wow friend oh that's so lovely to say wow yeah yeah that's interesting that he yeah yeah that's interesting that he yeah yeah that's interesting that he tuned into that um but yeah it's kind of tuned into that um but yeah it's kind of tuned into that um but yeah it's kind of cleaned up a little bit cleaned up cleaned up a little bit cleaned up cleaned up a little bit cleaned up little bit let's not get too crazy yeah little bit let's not get too crazy yeah little bit let's not get too crazy yeah hopefully so David where have you been hopefully so David where have you been hopefully so David where have you been have you been in Europe this whole time have you been in Europe this whole time have you been in Europe this whole time or what's going on dude I've been or what's going on dude I've been or what's going on dude I've been gallivanting through friends with a gallivanting through friends with a gallivanting through friends with a family um I'm actually I just got back family um I'm actually I just got back family um I'm actually I just got back to Portland uh two days ago so when um to Portland uh two days ago so when um to Portland uh two days ago so when um when Eric talked about the heat in uh in when Eric talked about the heat in uh in when Eric talked about the heat in uh in Rome it's all over Central Europe yeah Rome it's all over Central Europe yeah Rome it's all over Central Europe yeah and uh yeah so I have one more week of and uh yeah so I have one more week of and uh yeah so I have one more week of uh playing around I'm going to the uh uh playing around I'm going to the uh uh playing around I'm going to the uh Caribbean uh next week nice wow yes and Caribbean uh next week nice wow yes and Caribbean uh next week nice wow yes and then when school's in then I need to I then when school's in then I need to I then when school's in then I need to I need to go find a real job oh uh oh yeah need to go find a real job oh uh oh yeah need to go find a real job oh uh oh yeah no but it's it's been it's great but no but it's it's been it's great but no but it's it's been it's great but your Beard's already trimmed so you're your Beard's already trimmed so you're your Beard's already trimmed so you're good yeah I'm getting ready man I am good yeah I'm getting ready man I am good yeah I'm getting ready man I am getting ready yeah yeah so anyone who's getting ready yeah yeah so anyone who's getting ready yeah yeah so anyone who's looking for like an awesome dude to looking for like an awesome dude to looking for like an awesome dude to bring onto your team there you go right bring onto your team there you go right bring onto your team there you go right there on our website looking for awesome there on our website looking for awesome there on our website looking for awesome dude yeah yes that's I'm putting that on

dude yeah yes that's I'm putting that on dude yeah yes that's I'm putting that on my cover letter yeah and with all that my cover letter yeah and with all that my cover letter yeah and with all that years of experience at Verizon it means years of experience at Verizon it means years of experience at Verizon it means you're a network expert which means you you're a network expert which means you you're a network expert which means you know how to unplug ethernet and plug it know how to unplug ethernet and plug it know how to unplug ethernet and plug it back back back in you know you just find the uh the in you know you just find the uh the in you know you just find the uh the industrial control systems and you just industrial control systems and you just industrial control systems and you just swap ethernet cables like there's yeah swap ethernet cables like there's yeah swap ethernet cables like there's yeah it's great yeah don't plug in to the it's great yeah don't plug in to the it's great yeah don't plug in to the wrong speed on the token ring yeah BR wrong speed on the token ring yeah BR wrong speed on the token ring yeah BR down yeah bring it down in Chicago in down yeah bring it down in Chicago in down yeah bring it down in Chicago in the 90s that ports so hey hey guys let's the 90s that ports so hey hey guys let's the 90s that ports so hey hey guys let's talk about technology uh last week you talk about technology uh last week you talk about technology uh last week you guys just talked about Java the whole guys just talked about Java the whole guys just talked about Java the whole time right job yeah you guys just Java time right job yeah you guys just Java time right job yeah you guys just Java yeah last week was a Java show it was a yeah last week was a Java show it was a yeah last week was a Java show it was a lot of java freaking Java show we talked lot of java freaking Java show we talked lot of java freaking Java show we talked about Java primarily yeah yeah yeah yeah about Java primarily yeah yeah yeah yeah about Java primarily yeah yeah yeah yeah but then uh we had all kinds of crazy but then uh we had all kinds of crazy but then uh we had all kinds of crazy stuff happen over the past couple of stuff happen over the past couple of stuff happen over the past couple of weeks right so what do you guys think weeks right so what do you guys think weeks right so what do you guys think about that whole um crowd strike thingy about that whole um crowd strike thingy about that whole um crowd strike thingy or is that all old news now no you know or is that all old news now no you know or is that all old news now no you know what last week we said we will Reserve what last week we said we will Reserve what last week we said we will Reserve till next week which is now to go deep till next week which is now to go deep till next week which is now to go deep on the crowd strike thing so I think on the crowd strike thing so I think on the crowd strike thing so I think let's just go medieval right let's just go medieval right let's just go medieval right now Delta's doing that right now right now Delta's doing that right now right now Delta's doing that right now right they just hired the hired the lawyer they just hired the hired the lawyer they just hired the hired the lawyer right that lawyer is gonna look very right that lawyer is gonna look very right that lawyer is gonna look very familiar that lawyer is very familiar to familiar that lawyer is very familiar to familiar that lawyer is very familiar to Microsoft actually boys David boys yeah Microsoft actually boys David boys yeah Microsoft actually boys David boys yeah they've SE they've seen him before like they've SE they've seen him before like they've SE they've seen him before like 20 years years

20 years years 20 years years ago oh yeah very famous guy I saw I ago oh yeah very famous guy I saw I ago oh yeah very famous guy I saw I don't know if you saw David Weston's don't know if you saw David Weston's don't know if you saw David Weston's post he did a big blog on kernel access post he did a big blog on kernel access post he did a big blog on kernel access to Windows kernel access and the ration to Windows kernel access and the ration to Windows kernel access and the ration now behind that and the history and now behind that and the history and now behind that and the history and stuff like that so that was good for stuff like that so that was good for stuff like that so that was good for anyone who wants to kind of get a little anyone who wants to kind of get a little anyone who wants to kind of get a little bit of cont yeah you shared that on bit of cont yeah you shared that on bit of cont yeah you shared that on LinkedIn right you shared that on I did LinkedIn right you shared that on I did LinkedIn right you shared that on I did yeah I did yeah yeah that was actually yeah I did yeah yeah that was actually yeah I did yeah yeah that was actually yeah that's where I got thank you for yeah that's where I got thank you for yeah that's where I got thank you for posting that Pete yeah I mean it was posting that Pete yeah I mean it was posting that Pete yeah I mean it was interesting that he's saying he interesting that he's saying he interesting that he's saying he basically saying like our best practices basically saying like our best practices basically saying like our best practices are to not you you know not to do what are to not you you know not to do what are to not you you know not to do what what a lot of these security uh what a lot of these security uh what a lot of these security uh companies are doing uh but that being companies are doing uh but that being companies are doing uh but that being said it's still allowed and it's still said it's still allowed and it's still said it's still allowed and it's still part of their business model so I think part of their business model so I think part of their business model so I think maybe we'll see Microsoft kind of more maybe we'll see Microsoft kind of more maybe we'll see Microsoft kind of more strongly migrate strongly migrate strongly migrate functionality mode for a lot of these functionality mode for a lot of these functionality mode for a lot of these third party folks forward I I think the third party folks forward I I think the third party folks forward I I think the Delta um I'm I'm excited about the the Delta um I'm I'm excited about the the Delta um I'm I'm excited about the the Delta lawsuit not because they're suing Delta lawsuit not because they're suing Delta lawsuit not because they're suing uh but I think it's going to whether uh but I think it's going to whether uh but I think it's going to whether they want to or not if they're serious they want to or not if they're serious they want to or not if they're serious about it they're also uh going to have about it they're also uh going to have about it they're also uh going to have to flush out uh their own internal to flush out uh their own internal to flush out uh their own internal processes you know some of their processes you know some of their processes you know some of their architecture because word on the street architecture because word on the street architecture because word on the street is that it wasn't all uh crowd strike's is that it wasn't all uh crowd strike's is that it wasn't all uh crowd strike's fault like yes they screwed up big time fault like yes they screwed up big time fault like yes they screwed up big time right like I'm not defending that but right like I'm not defending that but right like I'm not defending that but there were also you know Delta has not there were also you know Delta has not there were also you know Delta has not been um and if you're Delta customer who been um and if you're Delta customer who been um and if you're Delta customer who has to call in you know this there's has to call in you know this there's has to call in you know this there's been very little investment in it at been very little investment in it at been very little investment in it at Delta

Delta Delta for the last 2,000 years because well for the last 2,000 years because well for the last 2,000 years because well lots of reasons so I so I've been lots of reasons so I so I've been lots of reasons so I so I've been looking at that angle as to you know are looking at that angle as to you know are looking at that angle as to you know are they going to get exposed is this they going to get exposed is this they going to get exposed is this another issue was it mismanagement or another issue was it mismanagement or another issue was it mismanagement or underfunding did you get rid of all your underfunding did you get rid of all your underfunding did you get rid of all your uh competent it people because you uh competent it people because you uh competent it people because you needed to maximize shareholder value and needed to maximize shareholder value and needed to maximize shareholder value and this just bit you in the ass and you this just bit you in the ass and you this just bit you in the ass and you know another going I think um uh Ed know another going I think um uh Ed know another going I think um uh Ed Bastian their C their CEO said that this Bastian their C their CEO said that this Bastian their C their CEO said that this uh the crowd strike issue cost them half uh the crowd strike issue cost them half uh the crowd strike issue cost them half a billion dollars which is a ton of De a billion dollars which is a ton of De a billion dollars which is a ton of De but I wonder I wonder what that but I wonder I wonder what that but I wonder I wonder what that organization would have looked like with organization would have looked like with organization would have looked like with a $50 million investment a $100 million a $50 million investment a $100 million a $50 million investment a $100 million investment three four years ago to now investment three four years ago to now investment three four years ago to now you know bring them to where they at so you know bring them to where they at so you know bring them to where they at so super uh yeah yeah yeah they can sue super uh yeah yeah yeah they can sue super uh yeah yeah yeah they can sue someone and get that money to now make someone and get that money to now make someone and get that money to now make the investment I'm sure they won't use that investment I'm sure they won't use that money to do a stock buyback or anything money to do a stock buyback or anything money to do a stock buyback or anything no absolutely who does that Rob nobody no absolutely who does that Rob nobody no absolutely who does that Rob nobody would do that it's Immortal it's about would do that it's Immortal it's about would do that it's Immortal it's about bonuses everybody onetime bonuses I woke bonuses everybody onetime bonuses I woke bonuses everybody onetime bonuses I woke up Friday morning with you know with my up Friday morning with you know with my up Friday morning with you know with my family to go to flight to Rome and I'm family to go to flight to Rome and I'm family to go to flight to Rome and I'm like holy crap this is not going to be like holy crap this is not going to be like holy crap this is not going to be good going to the airport I got lucky I good going to the airport I got lucky I good going to the airport I got lucky I was on United out already on the was on United out already on the was on United out already on the flight no we we were but we got delayed flight no we we were but we got delayed flight no we we were but we got delayed but we got out now I was really really but we got out now I was really really but we got out now I was really really surprised that we did yeah you about to

surprised that we did yeah you about to surprised that we did yeah you about to say we got lucky Southwest Airlines say we got lucky Southwest Airlines say we got lucky Southwest Airlines started flying to Italy yeah and luckily started flying to Italy yeah and luckily started flying to Italy yeah and luckily they're still running Windows 3.1 and so they're still running Windows 3.1 and so they're still running Windows 3.1 and so they're good to go I heard they were they're good to go I heard they were they're good to go I heard they were running Commodore 64 is what I saw running Commodore 64 is what I saw running Commodore 64 is what I saw online even better even better yeah a online even better even better yeah a online even better even better yeah a couple TRS 80s in there exactly you know couple TRS 80s in there exactly you know couple TRS 80s in there exactly you know ts80 oh that was radio sh y wow at which ts80 oh that was radio sh y wow at which ts80 oh that was radio sh y wow at which Rob so at which point do they do Rob so at which point do they do Rob so at which point do they do something different at Southwest cuz I something different at Southwest cuz I something different at Southwest cuz I get it I mean we we talk a lot about get it I mean we we talk a lot about get it I mean we we talk a lot about here of if it's not broke why fix it here of if it's not broke why fix it here of if it's not broke why fix it right you know we can go into existence right you know we can go into existence right you know we can go into existence system and Brownfield the machine is system and Brownfield the machine is system and Brownfield the machine is built properly it's not going to break built properly it's not going to break built properly it's not going to break until Jimmy retires at 200 years yeah until Jimmy retires at 200 years yeah until Jimmy retires at 200 years yeah but when when do we say enough it's but when when do we say enough it's but when when do we say enough it's enough I think I think at this point enough I think I think at this point enough I think I think at this point what you really want to do is spin up what you really want to do is spin up what you really want to do is spin up like a Windows 31 BM on Azure and then like a Windows 31 BM on Azure and then like a Windows 31 BM on Azure and then just migrate all those Southwest just migrate all those Southwest just migrate all those Southwest workloads to the cloud you know the lift workloads to the cloud you know the lift workloads to the cloud you know the lift and shift just get 3-1 running there and and shift just get 3-1 running there and and shift just get 3-1 running there and you're all good right so you want a you're all good right so you want a you're all good right so you want a funny story that's actually what clear funny story that's actually what clear funny story that's actually what clear blade was founded to do and that's what blade was founded to do and that's what blade was founded to do and that's what we did for the first five six years of we did for the first five six years of we did for the first five six years of our existence was Enterprise our existence was Enterprise our existence was Enterprise modernization yeah um so we did a lot of modernization yeah um so we did a lot of modernization yeah um so we did a lot of those projects where we would lift and those projects where we would lift and those projects where we would lift and shift sh database natural on a Mainframe shift sh database natural on a Mainframe shift sh database natural on a Mainframe to something like Java right and it big to something like Java right and it big to something like Java right and it big ugly messy projects and you're spending ugly messy projects and you're spending ugly messy projects and you're spending millions of doll millions of doll millions of doll to basically get the same system so it to basically get the same system so it to basically get the same system so it was a very tough sell so I did a lot of

was a very tough sell so I did a lot of was a very tough sell so I did a lot of work with IBM labs and I can go on and work with IBM labs and I can go on and work with IBM labs and I can go on and on on this boring topic but it but that on on this boring topic but it but that on on this boring topic but it but that technical debt and the fact that if it technical debt and the fact that if it technical debt and the fact that if it ain't broke don't fix it eventually ain't broke don't fix it eventually ain't broke don't fix it eventually you're right um Dave in in in it uh has you're right um Dave in in in it uh has you're right um Dave in in in it uh has retired and and now passed on his Cobalt retired and and now passed on his Cobalt retired and and now passed on his Cobalt books to someone else and eventually books to someone else and eventually books to someone else and eventually nobody knows how this system runs his nobody knows how this system runs his nobody knows how this system runs his grandson his grandson his grandson his grandson yeah um granddaughter yeah or grandson yeah um granddaughter yeah or grandson yeah um granddaughter yeah or yeah or they passed away I mean it's yeah or they passed away I mean it's yeah or they passed away I mean it's it's that's the state of of big it's that's the state of of big it's that's the state of of big government systems big a I hate to say government systems big a I hate to say government systems big a I hate to say it air traffic it air traffic it air traffic control but that's what I used to do so control but that's what I used to do so control but that's what I used to do so any any any yeah it's scary I had yeah it's scary I had yeah it's scary I had a I had a friend of mine from France who a I had a friend of mine from France who a I had a friend of mine from France who lives in not and he did he told me the lives in not and he did he told me the lives in not and he did he told me the most extreme scenarios kind of like what most extreme scenarios kind of like what most extreme scenarios kind of like what you're talking about modernizing some you're talking about modernizing some you're talking about modernizing some old stuff and so he it was his job to old stuff and so he it was his job to old stuff and so he it was his job to modernize some visual based basic modernize some visual based basic modernize some visual based basic three 16bit apps from Windows 31 to three 16bit apps from Windows 31 to three 16bit apps from Windows 31 to bring it all the way to today and so he bring it all the way to today and so he bring it all the way to today and so he had his copy of had his copy of had his copy of vb3 yeah and then vb4 had the deal was vb3 yeah and then vb4 had the deal was vb3 yeah and then vb4 had the deal was the first version that would do the first version that would do the first version that would do 32bit because Windows 95 had come out 32bit because Windows 95 had come out 32bit because Windows 95 had come out and NT and so it had a migration tool so and NT and so it had a migration tool so and NT and so it had a migration tool so you went from vb3 to vb4 to translate it you went from vb3 to vb4 to translate it you went from vb3 to vb4 to translate it to 32bit then to 32bit then to 32bit then bb6 to upgrade that mod you know to get bb6 to upgrade that mod you know to get bb6 to upgrade that mod you know to get it more modern you know right to the it more modern you know right to the it more modern you know right to the late 90s and then Donnet had some late 90s and then Donnet had some late 90s and then Donnet had some tooling for all the VB guys from the 90s

tooling for all the VB guys from the 90s tooling for all the VB guys from the 90s to import it into vb.net then the to import it into vb.net then the to import it into vb.net then the translator to translate it to translator to translate it to translator to translate it to CP anyway but to your point for same CP anyway but to your point for same CP anyway but to your point for same functionality nothing new just a modern functionality nothing new just a modern functionality nothing new just a modern supported platform was all it was so let supported platform was all it was so let supported platform was all it was so let me let me ask one of my well-placed but me let me ask one of my well-placed but me let me ask one of my well-placed but ignorant questions on this topic at back ignorant questions on this topic at back ignorant questions on this topic at back to Southwest so current status versus to Southwest so current status versus to Southwest so current status versus you know Pete's idea of of lift and you know Pete's idea of of lift and you know Pete's idea of of lift and shift what what are the benefits from a shift what what are the benefits from a shift what what are the benefits from a survivability perspective like if if survivability perspective like if if survivability perspective like if if poop hits the fan and you're a current poop hits the fan and you're a current poop hits the fan and you're a current status versus no you migrate it you status versus no you migrate it you status versus no you migrate it you virtualize you know you're on the cloud virtualize you know you're on the cloud virtualize you know you're on the cloud are there any advantages or is it are there any advantages or is it are there any advantages or is it straight up it just makes no straight up it just makes no straight up it just makes no sense I'll answer the advantages of sense I'll answer the advantages of sense I'll answer the advantages of doing it is is you can you can doing it is is you can you can doing it is is you can you can coordinate how much poop hits the fan at coordinate how much poop hits the fan at coordinate how much poop hits the fan at what at what speed because you have to what at what speed because you have to what at what speed because you have to eventually address the problem to not do eventually address the problem to not do eventually address the problem to not do it eventually you're going to get it's it eventually you're going to get it's it eventually you're going to get it's it's it's it's just a matter of time it's it's it's just a matter of time it's it's it's just a matter of time right yeah but you're gonna have a right yeah but you're gonna have a right yeah but you're gonna have a failure and no one's going to know failure and no one's going to know failure and no one's going to know anything about how the system works and anything about how the system works and anything about how the system works and it's going to be massive yeah but for it's going to be massive yeah but for it's going to be massive yeah but for the crowd strike stuff uh the quote the crowd strike stuff uh the quote the crowd strike stuff uh the quote unquote outage or the bricking happened unquote outage or the bricking happened unquote outage or the bricking happened with devices that are newer not with devices that are newer not with devices that are newer not older um actually the older stuff didn't older um actually the older stuff didn't older um actually the older stuff didn't get affected it's the new stuff that got get affected it's the new stuff that got get affected it's the new stuff that got affected so I think one of the biggest

affected so I think one of the biggest affected so I think one of the biggest problems here especially in the problems here especially in the problems here especially in the media we got to call out the media and media we got to call out the media and media we got to call out the media and um actually a lot of financial analysts um actually a lot of financial analysts um actually a lot of financial analysts as well as industry analysts who jumped as well as industry analysts who jumped as well as industry analysts who jumped the gun on this and set the the gun on this and set the the gun on this and set the wrong starting point for the wrong starting point for the wrong starting point for the conversation they didn't look for the conversation they didn't look for the conversation they didn't look for the root cause what is it they they actually root cause what is it they they actually root cause what is it they they actually blamed Microsoft first they called it a blamed Microsoft first they called it a blamed Microsoft first they called it a Windows thing because they saw the blue Windows thing because they saw the blue Windows thing because they saw the blue screen of death I oh hey Microsoft screen of death I oh hey Microsoft screen of death I oh hey Microsoft screwed up again right but you know screwed up again right but you know screwed up again right but you know there's a lot of complexity in what there's a lot of complexity in what there's a lot of complexity in what we're talking about you guys have made we're talking about you guys have made we're talking about you guys have made great points already but it all boils great points already but it all boils great points already but it all boils down to you know that one that one down to you know that one that one down to you know that one that one template file that made its way through template file that made its way through template file that made its way through their cicd checkpoints and their release their cicd checkpoints and their release their cicd checkpoints and their release management QA processes that's where you management QA processes that's where you management QA processes that's where you have to start then you work your way have to start then you work your way have to start then you work your way toward okay well so all these affected toward okay well so all these affected toward okay well so all these affected companies who are companies who are companies who are customers what is their relationship customers what is their relationship customers what is their relationship with crowd strike because going back to with crowd strike because going back to with crowd strike because going back to what we've already pointed to or brought what we've already pointed to or brought what we've already pointed to or brought up it this whole up it this whole up it this whole Outsourcing um mentality may have some Outsourcing um mentality may have some Outsourcing um mentality may have some implications but they've outsourced the implications but they've outsourced the implications but they've outsourced the liability typically to a vendor right liability typically to a vendor right liability typically to a vendor right and so how that plays out in you know and so how that plays out in you know and so how that plays out in you know the Delta case we'll see but I don't I the Delta case we'll see but I don't I the Delta case we'll see but I don't I don't think it's I don't think the fact don't think it's I don't think the fact don't think it's I don't think the fact that they have old ass systems is really that they have old ass systems is really that they have old ass systems is really you're right problem here I mean this is

you're right problem here I mean this is you're right problem here I mean this is like you you know it's a little bit of a like you you know it's a little bit of a like you you know it's a little bit of a a deflection from what the real problem a deflection from what the real problem a deflection from what the real problem is and I think it's um it probably has is and I think it's um it probably has is and I think it's um it probably has to do with over automation put you know to do with over automation put you know to do with over automation put you know pulling a person out of the pulling a person out of the pulling a person out of the middle and then just trying to automate middle and then just trying to automate middle and then just trying to automate the flow for something that they was a the flow for something that they was a the flow for something that they was a mundane um process right which is hey mundane um process right which is hey mundane um process right which is hey we're just pushing out a config file we're just pushing out a config file we're just pushing out a config file it's a Content update and it's about it's a Content update and it's about it's a Content update and it's about speed because we want to make sure that speed because we want to make sure that speed because we want to make sure that we get the security updates out out we get the security updates out out we get the security updates out out there as fast as possible right and in there as fast as possible right and in there as fast as possible right and in the end you skipped a couple key steps the end you skipped a couple key steps the end you skipped a couple key steps to make sure you didn't well even wor to make sure you didn't well even wor to make sure you didn't well even wor it's a Content validator that failed it it's a Content validator that failed it it's a Content validator that failed it allowed this thing to go through and but allowed this thing to go through and but allowed this thing to go through and but and that's where I think we need to put and that's where I think we need to put and that's where I think we need to put the focus is like well number one is the focus is like well number one is the focus is like well number one is this is this um you know what kind of this is this um you know what kind of this is this um you know what kind of what is this is this your own thing or what is this is this your own thing or what is this is this your own thing or is this looker is this looker is this looker or he knows the answer I think there's or he knows the answer I think there's or he knows the answer I think there's two two things here though lard like you two two things here though lard like you two two things here though lard like you said there's definitely a process said there's definitely a process said there's definitely a process failure so this company had a process failure so this company had a process failure so this company had a process failure in analyzing their code and failure in analyzing their code and failure in analyzing their code and doing the right checks you know like you doing the right checks you know like you doing the right checks you know like you know we used to I used to do a lot of know we used to I used to do a lot of know we used to I used to do a lot of photo stuff doing a lot of over thee a photo stuff doing a lot of over thee a photo stuff doing a lot of over thee a firmware updates and you had all these firmware updates and you had all these firmware updates and you had all these triple quadruple checks to make sure triple quadruple checks to make sure triple quadruple checks to make sure whatever you sent didn't Breck the whatever you sent didn't Breck the whatever you sent didn't Breck the device but there's definitely a process device but there's definitely a process device but there's definitely a process failure but there's also an failure but there's also an failure but there's also an architectural vulnerability here in that architectural vulnerability here in that architectural vulnerability here in that you know because Microsoft let um folks

you know because Microsoft let um folks you know because Microsoft let um folks have this kind of Kel level access for have this kind of Kel level access for have this kind of Kel level access for file operations and things that goes file operations and things that goes file operations and things that goes back to a business decision that was back to a business decision that was back to a business decision that was made many years ago with mcafe and made many years ago with mcafe and made many years ago with mcafe and Norton and stuff like that um they you Norton and stuff like that um they you Norton and stuff like that um they you know they had these third party security know they had these third party security know they had these third party security you know antivirus software that has you know antivirus software that has you know antivirus software that has been using these apis for a long time been using these apis for a long time been using these apis for a long time and those they need to provide access to and those they need to provide access to and those they need to provide access to them either economically because uh pcem them either economically because uh pcem them either economically because uh pcem are making Revenue off of that or are making Revenue off of that or are making Revenue off of that or whatever the Department of Justice so whatever the Department of Justice so whatever the Department of Justice so that's really the kind of they and I that's really the kind of they and I that's really the kind of they and I think this is what Weston was talking think this is what Weston was talking think this is what Weston was talking about is like how do you sort of close about is like how do you sort of close about is like how do you sort of close that architectural hole so that even if that architectural hole so that even if that architectural hole so that even if somethingone does have kind of a kind of somethingone does have kind of a kind of somethingone does have kind of a kind of a poopy process in quality they still a poopy process in quality they still a poopy process in quality they still can't brick the machine yeah as Pete is can't brick the machine yeah as Pete is can't brick the machine yeah as Pete is alluding to this well I'd be happy to alluding to this well I'd be happy to alluding to this well I'd be happy to just go deep on this whole thing folks just go deep on this whole thing folks just go deep on this whole thing folks your uncle perspective Rob yeah yeah your uncle perspective Rob yeah yeah your uncle perspective Rob yeah yeah yeah but but to what P was talking about yeah but but to what P was talking about yeah but but to what P was talking about talk the business thing it was um you talk the business thing it was um you talk the business thing it was um you know obviously Microsoft's no stranger know obviously Microsoft's no stranger know obviously Microsoft's no stranger to Department of Justice stuff or their to Department of Justice stuff or their to Department of Justice stuff or their friends in EU in Brussels and so um a friends in EU in Brussels and so um a friends in EU in Brussels and so um a while back there was this notion of a uh while back there was this notion of a uh while back there was this notion of a uh Colonel guard technology Colonel Colonel guard technology Colonel Colonel guard technology Colonel patching deal to preent to protect the patching deal to preent to protect the patching deal to preent to protect the int Colonel that everybody's running on int Colonel that everybody's running on int Colonel that everybody's running on on on on Windows and guess what you know there's Windows and guess what you know there's Windows and guess what you know there's Windows Defender which is the built-in Windows Defender which is the built-in Windows Defender which is the built-in antivirus thing that you get out for out antivirus thing that you get out for out antivirus thing that you get out for out of the box a whole lot of all the of the box a whole lot of all the of the box a whole lot of all the antivirus and malware people were up in

antivirus and malware people were up in antivirus and malware people were up in arms saying this isn't fair your stuff's arms saying this isn't fair your stuff's arms saying this isn't fair your stuff's getting access here's the deal when getting access here's the deal when getting access here's the deal when you're like all you semiconductor people you're like all you semiconductor people you're like all you semiconductor people out here know like there's ring zero and out here know like there's ring zero and out here know like there's ring zero and ring one and all that kind of stuff ring ring one and all that kind of stuff ring ring one and all that kind of stuff ring three blah blah blah all right so three blah blah blah all right so three blah blah blah all right so there's the user mode let's just keep it there's the user mode let's just keep it there's the user mode let's just keep it simple and just say two rings there's simple and just say two rings there's simple and just say two rings there's user mode and there there's the the the user mode and there there's the the the user mode and there there's the the the CPU the kernel mode right and when CPU the kernel mode right and when CPU the kernel mode right and when you're in kernel mode your application you're in kernel mode your application you're in kernel mode your application your software can see everything in the your software can see everything in the your software can see everything in the computer all the registers the memory computer all the registers the memory computer all the registers the memory locations everything which is dangerous locations everything which is dangerous locations everything which is dangerous because you can change pointers and do because you can change pointers and do because you can change pointers and do some weird stuff and bring down the some weird stuff and bring down the some weird stuff and bring down the whole comp the software right and so um whole comp the software right and so um whole comp the software right and so um anyway the EU pushed really hard to make anyway the EU pushed really hard to make anyway the EU pushed really hard to make sure that Microsoft would not prevent sure that Microsoft would not prevent sure that Microsoft would not prevent all these other players who says I need all these other players who says I need all these other players who says I need that level of access to truly protect that level of access to truly protect that level of access to truly protect your computer from malware because if your computer from malware because if your computer from malware because if I'm in in out out of ring zero and I'm I'm in in out out of ring zero and I'm I'm in in out out of ring zero and I'm user mode you only get to see this part user mode you only get to see this part user mode you only get to see this part of the world or each application sees of the world or each application sees of the world or each application sees their stuff but they don't get to see their stuff but they don't get to see their stuff but they don't get to see what's going on um so what's going on um so what's going on um so anyway that the there was an EU thing anyway that the there was an EU thing anyway that the there was an EU thing and it forced Microsoft's hand and so and it forced Microsoft's hand and so and it forced Microsoft's hand and so they had to open it up and allow these they had to open it up and allow these they had to open it up and allow these guys to get this kernel access that guys to get this kernel access that guys to get this kernel access that Pete's talking about and and yes it's a Pete's talking about and and yes it's a Pete's talking about and and yes it's a multifold problem no doubt about it multifold problem no doubt about it multifold problem no doubt about it crowd strike screwed up they their QA crowd strike screwed up they their QA crowd strike screwed up they their QA process their testing didn't happen process their testing didn't happen process their testing didn't happen here's the weird thing all right so here's the weird thing all right so here's the weird thing all right so there's drivers and there's kernel mode there's drivers and there's kernel mode there's drivers and there's kernel mode drivers and they have to get certified

drivers and they have to get certified drivers and they have to get certified by Microsoft and they get you know a by Microsoft and they get you know a by Microsoft and they get you know a cert digital certificate right to say cert digital certificate right to say cert digital certificate right to say yeah you're good to go so what crowd yeah you're good to go so what crowd yeah you're good to go so what crowd strike did is interesting because strike did is interesting because strike did is interesting because they're updating their malware and they're updating their malware and they're updating their malware and they're updating maybe their code so they're updating maybe their code so they're updating maybe their code so often it would take weeks each time you often it would take weeks each time you often it would take weeks each time you had to recertify your new bits going out had to recertify your new bits going out had to recertify your new bits going out and that seems cumbersome so what crowd and that seems cumbersome so what crowd and that seems cumbersome so what crowd strike trying to be clever is they strike trying to be clever is they strike trying to be clever is they certified the original bits but then if certified the original bits but then if certified the original bits but then if you looked at the config file because you looked at the config file because you looked at the config file because they like we're just up uploading a they like we're just up uploading a they like we're just up uploading a config file the config file wasn't just config file the config file wasn't just config file the config file wasn't just a config file there was pcode in the in a config file there was pcode in the in a config file there was pcode in the in the file and their software would read the file and their software would read the file and their software would read that in as if it was source code and that in as if it was source code and that in as if it was source code and update itself cleverly without having to update itself cleverly without having to update itself cleverly without having to go through the certification process go through the certification process go through the certification process again that's where you hear about the no again that's where you hear about the no again that's where you hear about the no null pointer null pointer null pointer thingy happened there it imported that thingy happened there it imported that thingy happened there it imported that and started running it as code so it's a and started running it as code so it's a and started running it as code so it's a clever workaround yeah an an evil clever workaround yeah an an evil clever workaround yeah an an evil workaround and um to to get new code on workaround and um to to get new code on workaround and um to to get new code on there without having to certify it every there without having to certify it every there without having to certify it every time and so since that config file that time and so since that config file that time and so since that config file that was actually really source code had that was actually really source code had that was actually really source code had that null problem it blew stuff up um and null problem it blew stuff up um and null problem it blew stuff up um and then you're right you're at kernel mode then you're right you're at kernel mode then you're right you're at kernel mode and then and it brings down the whole and then and it brings down the whole and then and it brings down the whole deal the blue screen to death is deal the blue screen to death is deal the blue screen to death is actually a safeguard for Windows is what actually a safeguard for Windows is what actually a safeguard for Windows is what it is it it just to stop things because it is it it just to stop things because it is it it just to stop things because it could if you didn't just halt the it could if you didn't just halt the it could if you didn't just halt the system all kinds of apps and other system all kinds of apps and other system all kinds of apps and other things could get corrupted and lots of things could get corrupted and lots of things could get corrupted and lots of weird stuff could happen so it's all bad weird stuff could happen so it's all bad weird stuff could happen so it's all bad so it's a lack of QA it's a lack of that

so it's a lack of QA it's a lack of that so it's a lack of QA it's a lack of that sneaky stuff I think um the Mac is sneaky stuff I think um the Mac is sneaky stuff I think um the Mac is allowed to protect its allowed to protect its allowed to protect its kernel Apple's always been kind of uh kernel Apple's always been kind of uh kernel Apple's always been kind of uh allowed to get away with stuff because allowed to get away with stuff because allowed to get away with stuff because it because of their wall Garden because it because of their wall Garden because it because of their wall Garden because they made the computer and the OS and they made the computer and the OS and they made the computer and the OS and everything and they say this is just one everything and they say this is just one everything and they say this is just one product they've been able to do stuff product they've been able to do stuff product they've been able to do stuff that Microsoft's not been allowed to do that Microsoft's not been allowed to do that Microsoft's not been allowed to do by the government because Microsoft's by the government because Microsoft's by the government because Microsoft's like this open system every vendor every like this open system every vendor every like this open system every vendor every everybody gets to play in the playground everybody gets to play in the playground everybody gets to play in the playground of windows at their own Peril and so uh of windows at their own Peril and so uh of windows at their own Peril and so uh and then then it goes back to Rolling it and then then it goes back to Rolling it and then then it goes back to Rolling it out to the point of where are all the out to the point of where are all the out to the point of where are all the testers where's QA at at at the testers where's QA at at at the testers where's QA at at at the individual customer and I don't want to individual customer and I don't want to individual customer and I don't want to make Delta and everybody else you know make Delta and everybody else you know make Delta and everybody else you know at fault is they're they're the victims at fault is they're they're the victims at fault is they're they're the victims at this but as that stuff started at this but as that stuff started at this but as that stuff started rolling out people have just become too rolling out people have just become too rolling out people have just become too reliant on these cicd pipelines too reliant on these cicd pipelines too reliant on these cicd pipelines too they're too asleep at the wheel with they're too asleep at the wheel with they're too asleep at the wheel with devops I don't think quarantine that devops I don't think quarantine that devops I don't think quarantine that update first and test it quarantine it update first and test it quarantine it update first and test it quarantine it before they roll it out to before they roll it out to before they roll it out to everything it's supposed to be what it's everything it's supposed to be what it's everything it's supposed to be what it's basically benevolent code injection is basically benevolent code injection is basically benevolent code injection is what that is right yes but in this case what that is right yes but in this case what that is right yes but in this case it wasn't benevolent it wasn't supposed it wasn't benevolent it wasn't supposed it wasn't benevolent it wasn't supposed to be yeah there isn't because people to be yeah there isn't because people to be yeah there isn't because people make mistakes make mistakes make mistakes yeah not a person because the tool the yeah not a person because the tool the yeah not a person because the tool the tool failed the tool I said um it's more tool failed the tool I said um it's more tool failed the tool I said um it's more than a process issue here it's why did

than a process issue here it's why did than a process issue here it's why did why did the tool fail what is the tool why did the tool fail what is the tool why did the tool fail what is the tool that you that you that you used and did you have human diligence uh used and did you have human diligence uh used and did you have human diligence uh examining things before it went out and examining things before it went out and examining things before it went out and you know this is we've been talking you know this is we've been talking you know this is we've been talking about the whole MVP mentality and how about the whole MVP mentality and how about the whole MVP mentality and how sort of toxic it is this is exactly what sort of toxic it is this is exactly what sort of toxic it is this is exactly what we're talking about except now it's we're talking about except now it's we're talking about except now it's maintenance mode stuff let's just push maintenance mode stuff let's just push maintenance mode stuff let's just push stuff out as fast as we can let's invest stuff out as fast as we can let's invest stuff out as fast as we can let's invest as little in testing I mean we've seen as little in testing I mean we've seen as little in testing I mean we've seen this time again generation after this time again generation after this time again generation after generation of Technology waves yeah generation of Technology waves yeah generation of Technology waves yeah testing gets cut out and you know the testing gets cut out and you know the testing gets cut out and you know the okay so all the stuff with the kernel okay so all the stuff with the kernel okay so all the stuff with the kernel access these are all own things right access these are all own things right access these are all own things right it's not like a mystery and so if you it's not like a mystery and so if you it's not like a mystery and so if you know that these are risks you create know that these are risks you create know that these are risks you create processes to mitigate minimize incidents processes to mitigate minimize incidents processes to mitigate minimize incidents like this I I I don't think that's like this I I I don't think that's like this I I I don't think that's really where the blame should go and I really where the blame should go and I really where the blame should go and I think it was really funny that Microsoft think it was really funny that Microsoft think it was really funny that Microsoft piped up so early um I think their piped up so early um I think their piped up so early um I think their biggest problem is the pr hit that they biggest problem is the pr hit that they biggest problem is the pr hit that they took with the blue screens of death took with the blue screens of death took with the blue screens of death that's just that's number one that's just that's number one that's just that's number one superficial and it it it it distracts superficial and it it it it distracts superficial and it it it it distracts from from what the it deflects actually from from what the it deflects actually from from what the it deflects actually from what the real issues are you know from what the real issues are you know from what the real issues are you know what I'm saying that we're talking about what I'm saying that we're talking about what I'm saying that we're talking about right now and what Rob is talking about right now and what Rob is talking about right now and what Rob is talking about so I mean anyway and as you the same so I mean anyway and as you the same so I mean anyway and as you the same thing happened in April for thing happened in April for thing happened in April for Linux crowd strike rolled stuff out and

Linux crowd strike rolled stuff out and Linux crowd strike rolled stuff out and Linux goes into Colonel panic mode and Linux goes into Colonel panic mode and Linux goes into Colonel panic mode and so in April they had the same problem it so in April they had the same problem it so in April they had the same problem it just wasn't widely reported because a just wasn't widely reported because a just wasn't widely reported because a lot of people see right yeah is is systemic of the assumption that is is systemic of the assumption that things are secure the the assumption things are secure the the assumption things are secure the the assumption that you know well we're we're protected that you know well we're we're protected that you know well we're we're protected um I mean look I mean speaking of them I um I mean look I mean speaking of them I um I mean look I mean speaking of them I mean I'm not I think I think it's widely mean I'm not I think I think it's widely mean I'm not I think I think it's widely known I'm not a Microsoft fan you're not known I'm not a Microsoft fan you're not known I'm not a Microsoft fan you're not I'm not not at all as I mean I'm going I'm not not at all as I mean I'm going I'm not not at all as I mean I'm going to I'm literally going to do a piece on to I'm literally going to do a piece on to I'm literally going to do a piece on all of the things that they've had all of the things that they've had all of the things that they've had happened over the course of the past 10 happened over the course of the past 10 happened over the course of the past 10 years reported and unreported and I years reported and unreported and I years reported and unreported and I really don't care the simple fact that really don't care the simple fact that really don't care the simple fact that you you you assume and and wrongfully so that active assume and and wrongfully so that active assume and and wrongfully so that active directory is my single sign on active directory is my single sign on active directory is my single sign on active directory is your portal into everything directory is your portal into everything directory is your portal into everything that is going to go wrong the minute that is going to go wrong the minute that is going to go wrong the minute that it can the same thing happened just that it can the same thing happened just that it can the same thing happened just just recently with ransomware hackers uh just recently with ransomware hackers uh just recently with ransomware hackers uh you can go look at cve you can go look at cve you can go look at cve 2024 3785 which gives second let me go there 3785 which gives second let me go there it it it is to active directory that that allowed is to active directory that that allowed is to active directory that that allowed uh VMware exi es esxi hosts to be

uh VMware exi es esxi hosts to be uh VMware exi es esxi hosts to be compromised I mean this just on the compromised I mean this just on the compromised I mean this just on the heels of crowd strike so I mean it it it heels of crowd strike so I mean it it it heels of crowd strike so I mean it it it the Assumption to everyone is is that the Assumption to everyone is is that the Assumption to everyone is is that you're safe you're not you're not and you're safe you're not you're not and you're safe you're not you're not and it's not going to be anytime soon yeah it's not going to be anytime soon yeah it's not going to be anytime soon yeah but Bill Bill so there's secure and but Bill Bill so there's secure and but Bill Bill so there's secure and there's reliable right and then there's there's reliable right and then there's there's reliable right and then there's um reliable meaning you know um if you um reliable meaning you know um if you um reliable meaning you know um if you do have a a regime of quality that do have a a regime of quality that do have a a regime of quality that Fosters security like if you're like a Fosters security like if you're like a Fosters security like if you're like a company like crowd strike in this cyber company like crowd strike in this cyber company like crowd strike in this cyber security game reliability is another security game reliability is another security game reliability is another important piece of the puzzle right and important piece of the puzzle right and important piece of the puzzle right and that's really where this stuff failed that's really where this stuff failed that's really where this stuff failed you're now talking about a much bigger you're now talking about a much bigger you're now talking about a much bigger problem of the Microsoft ecosystem and problem of the Microsoft ecosystem and problem of the Microsoft ecosystem and that has to be dealt like separately but that has to be dealt like separately but that has to be dealt like separately but I think we're in our rant we're I think we're in our rant we're I think we're in our rant we're highlighting a highlighting a highlighting a lot well no I mean sure reliable but lot well no I mean sure reliable but lot well no I mean sure reliable but reli reliable is incumbent upon the reli reliable is incumbent upon the reli reliable is incumbent upon the OEM I if I create something and I and OEM I if I create something and I and OEM I if I create something and I and I'm I am I'm an ecosystem partner of I'm I am I'm an ecosystem partner of I'm I am I'm an ecosystem partner of whoever it is the reliability of what I whoever it is the reliability of what I whoever it is the reliability of what I have and and am delivering is incumbent have and and am delivering is incumbent have and and am delivering is incumbent upon me sure and and there needs to be upon me sure and and there needs to be upon me sure and and there needs to be checks and balances on the on the other checks and balances on the on the other checks and balances on the on the other side that say we we're not going to side that say we we're not going to side that say we we're not going to trust that you did everything that you trust that you did everything that you trust that you did everything that you said you're going to do or that you say said you're going to do or that you say said you're going to do or that you say you're doing we now have other checks

you're doing we now have other checks you're doing we now have other checks and balances that are going to vet this and balances that are going to vet this and balances that are going to vet this before we ever push it out right but before we ever push it out right but before we ever push it out right but that's also the uh that's also incumbent that's also the uh that's also incumbent that's also the uh that's also incumbent on the uh corporate buyer too to say on the uh corporate buyer too to say on the uh corporate buyer too to say like I'm not going to buy systems unless like I'm not going to buy systems unless like I'm not going to buy systems unless I can quarantine all updates or I have I can quarantine all updates or I have I can quarantine all updates or I have Miss checks and balances so you have Miss checks and balances so you have Miss checks and balances so you have architectural issues you have ecosystem architectural issues you have ecosystem architectural issues you have ecosystem issues equality issues are process but issues equality issues are process but issues equality issues are process but ultimately the buyers hopefully ultimately the buyers hopefully ultimately the buyers hopefully Corporate America will corporate around Corporate America will corporate around Corporate America will corporate around the world will be like okay any anytime the world will be like okay any anytime the world will be like okay any anytime updates come through now I need to updates come through now I need to updates come through now I need to quarantine quarantine quarantine I at the end of the day if you're I at the end of the day if you're I at the end of the day if you're CEO of a security company you're the CEO CEO of a security company you're the CEO CEO of a security company you're the CEO of a security company and you let this of a security company and you let this of a security company and you let this happen on your watch I I got to go there happen on your watch I I got to go there happen on your watch I I got to go there I got to go to the CEO I'm sorry because I got to go to the CEO I'm sorry because I got to go to the CEO I'm sorry because ultimately it may not have been a person ultimately it may not have been a person ultimately it may not have been a person it's a process it's up to you to make it's a process it's up to you to make it's a process it's up to you to make sure that your security company doesn't sure that your security company doesn't sure that your security company doesn't crash a bunch of servers and cause a crash a bunch of servers and cause a crash a bunch of servers and cause a problem I think that's where the blame problem I think that's where the blame problem I think that's where the blame lies in my opinion well I just want uh lies in my opinion well I just want uh lies in my opinion well I just want uh Bill and Pete to stop trying to fix this Bill and Pete to stop trying to fix this Bill and Pete to stop trying to fix this cuz I for my thriving Consulting cuz I for my thriving Consulting cuz I for my thriving Consulting business I have a perfect statement of business I have a perfect statement of business I have a perfect statement of work where I will deliver manual uh bid work where I will deliver manual uh bid work where I will deliver manual uh bid Locker recovery and I will go airport by Locker recovery and I will go airport by Locker recovery and I will go airport by airport just to fixing machines flat airport just to fixing machines flat airport just to fixing machines flat rate don't even worry about it it'll be rate don't even worry about it it'll be rate don't even worry about it it'll be great for me th bucks machine flat rate flat rate me th bucks machine flat rate flat rate yes well I mean look David all you got yes well I mean look David all you got yes well I mean look David all you got to do is you know hit me up man I will I

to do is you know hit me up man I will I to do is you know hit me up man I will I will white label for you an s bomb Hub will white label for you an s bomb Hub will white label for you an s bomb Hub and the workflows all of that stuff and and the workflows all of that stuff and and the workflows all of that stuff and we can put loss prevention as a service we can put loss prevention as a service we can put loss prevention as a service you deliver yeah on on my way on my way you deliver yeah on on my way on my way you deliver yeah on on my way on my way to Texas right now Bale all right the to Texas right now Bale all right the to Texas right now Bale all right the new booming crowdstrike recovery business there as well speaking of the business there as well speaking of the ecosystem yeah ases my email has been ecosystem yeah ases my email has been ecosystem yeah ases my email has been spammed with lists of hey you want crowd spammed with lists of hey you want crowd spammed with lists of hey you want crowd I'm like my god let's go I mean yeah and I'm like my god let's go I mean yeah and I'm like my god let's go I mean yeah and and now we're going to let uh Ai and and now we're going to let uh Ai and and now we're going to let uh Ai and devops all run the world as we go devops all run the world as we go devops all run the world as we go forward as Rob mentioned earlier you've forward as Rob mentioned earlier you've forward as Rob mentioned earlier you've got this devops mess of abstraction now got this devops mess of abstraction now got this devops mess of abstraction now that allows stuff like this to happen that allows stuff like this to happen that allows stuff like this to happen and um and people are it's really all and um and people are it's really all and um and people are it's really all about speed and profitability and and about speed and profitability and and about speed and profitability and and skipping these checks and balances and skipping these checks and balances and skipping these checks and balances and that's that's got to stop yeah how we that's that's got to stop yeah how we that's that's got to stop yeah how we stop it and and you know when you think stop it and and you know when you think stop it and and you know when you think about I mean I have to say when I was at about I mean I have to say when I was at about I mean I have to say when I was at RSA um rsac RSA um rsac RSA um rsac 2024 a crowd strike was one one of the 2024 a crowd strike was one one of the 2024 a crowd strike was one one of the few vendors actually that was like kind few vendors actually that was like kind few vendors actually that was like kind of going Full Tilt with generative AI in of going Full Tilt with generative AI in of going Full Tilt with generative AI in their tooling and stuff like that their tooling and stuff like that their tooling and stuff like that marketing it really big and you know and marketing it really big and you know and marketing it really big and you know and saying hey we're incorporating this into saying hey we're incorporating this into saying hey we're incorporating this into our flow you know our tooling blah blah our flow you know our tooling blah blah our flow you know our tooling blah blah blah everyone else was for the most part blah everyone else was for the most part blah everyone else was for the most part everyone else uh Microsoft excluded everyone else uh Microsoft excluded everyone else uh Microsoft excluded because they were pitching co-pilot for because they were pitching co-pilot for because they were pitching co-pilot for security pretty hard not doing a really

security pretty hard not doing a really security pretty hard not doing a really good job by the way everyone else is good job by the way everyone else is good job by the way everyone else is super cautious they've been working with super cautious they've been working with super cautious they've been working with the stuff going we just not I mean I've the stuff going we just not I mean I've the stuff going we just not I mean I've had I had so many conversations right had I had so many conversations right had I had so many conversations right like my the way I introduced the like my the way I introduced the like my the way I introduced the conversation was okay guys hit me they conversation was okay guys hit me they conversation was okay guys hit me they go what do you mean like I know you have go what do you mean like I know you have go what do you mean like I know you have some sort of generative AI thing lay it some sort of generative AI thing lay it some sort of generative AI thing lay it on me let's get this over with first and on me let's get this over with first and on me let's get this over with first and they look at me going dude are you they look at me going dude are you they look at me going dude are you stupid you know some of them actually stupid you know some of them actually stupid you know some of them actually said they gave me like the stink face said they gave me like the stink face said they gave me like the stink face they go no no we don't do that I I I had they go no no we don't do that I I I had they go no no we don't do that I I I had several tell me that it's like no no no several tell me that it's like no no no several tell me that it's like no no no here we're we're using we're we're using here we're we're using we're we're using here we're we're using we're we're using machine learning the stuff that we've machine learning the stuff that we've machine learning the stuff that we've done before you tested tried and true done before you tested tried and true done before you tested tried and true this is what we're leaning on this we're this is what we're leaning on this we're this is what we're leaning on this we're not we're still very experimental with not we're still very experimental with not we're still very experimental with this generative AI stuff but we're not this generative AI stuff but we're not this generative AI stuff but we're not putting it into anyone's production putting it into anyone's production putting it into anyone's production pipelines of any sort cicd and otherwise pipelines of any sort cicd and otherwise pipelines of any sort cicd and otherwise right right right and so isn't this isn't this a shot and so isn't this isn't this a shot and so isn't this isn't this a shot across the bow though for all of us like across the bow though for all of us like across the bow though for all of us like with all that's coming this is a great with all that's coming this is a great with all that's coming this is a great let's take a step back and and consider let's take a step back and and consider let's take a step back and and consider the implications because I think that's the implications because I think that's the implications because I think that's the way we all ought to treat it like the way we all ought to treat it like the way we all ought to treat it like let's let's take pause and let's start let's let's take pause and let's start let's let's take pause and let's start looking at these things and and looking at these things and and looking at these things and and reassessing where we're going with with reassessing where we're going with with reassessing where we're going with with all this speed right I I you know I love all this speed right I I you know I love all this speed right I I you know I love it let's innovate and speed but let's it let's innovate and speed but let's it let's innovate and speed but let's take a step back and protect ourselves

take a step back and protect ourselves take a step back and protect ourselves from ourselves from ourselves from ourselves yeah well you know here here's a rant yeah well you know here here's a rant yeah well you know here here's a rant and I'm going to take um Lenard's and I'm going to take um Lenard's and I'm going to take um Lenard's comment of what the media got wrong comment of what the media got wrong comment of what the media got wrong right away and Eric's uh comment right away and Eric's uh comment right away and Eric's uh comment regarding the co regarding the co regarding the co responsibility uh when the crowd strike responsibility uh when the crowd strike responsibility uh when the crowd strike thing went public it was early morning thing went public it was early morning thing went public it was early morning in Europe because I remember I responded in Europe because I remember I responded in Europe because I remember I responded to a a post so you guys were all to a a post so you guys were all to a a post so you guys were all sleeping and I'm going to pull it up and sleeping and I'm going to pull it up and sleeping and I'm going to pull it up and attach it to the episode comments but I attach it to the episode comments but I attach it to the episode comments but I joked give it about and hour for people joked give it about and hour for people joked give it about and hour for people that don't understand the issue and all that don't understand the issue and all that don't understand the issue and all these vendors are going to go hey I these vendors are going to go hey I these vendors are going to go hey I don't know what the hell just happened don't know what the hell just happened don't know what the hell just happened but if you had my but if you had my but if you had my service come on service come on service come on right and that is that is insane and right and that is that is insane and right and that is that is insane and very dangerous and and there was um very dangerous and and there was um very dangerous and and there was um someone who I have personally in high someone who I have personally in high someone who I have personally in high regard that commented about 5G could regard that commented about 5G could regard that commented about 5G could have helped out with this I want wanted have helped out with this I want wanted have helped out with this I want wanted to like grab my computer and throw like to like grab my computer and throw like to like grab my computer and throw like like no no no like there's a line you like no no no like there's a line you like no no no like there's a line you don't cross that line yeah but dude and don't cross that line yeah but dude and don't cross that line yeah but dude and this is also something that we need to this is also something that we need to this is also something that we need to take a step back and go like wait a take a step back and go like wait a take a step back and go like wait a minute what was it what wasn't minute what was it what wasn't minute what was it what wasn't it just take stock but dude it's it's it just take stock but dude it's it's it just take stock but dude it's it's it's insane it's an show still oh it's insane it's an show still oh it's insane it's an show still oh yeah yeah I mean people were blaming the

yeah yeah I mean people were blaming the yeah yeah I mean people were blaming the cloud they said it was a cloud outage cloud they said it was a cloud outage cloud they said it was a cloud outage and um then then they started and again and um then then they started and again and um then then they started and again Cy they said it was a Windows a Windows Cy they said it was a Windows a Windows Cy they said it was a Windows a Windows bug all kinds of things that were but bug all kinds of things that were but bug all kinds of things that were but what the actual root cause was and what the actual root cause was and what the actual root cause was and situation I think one of the things that situation I think one of the things that situation I think one of the things that really confused everyone is the the way really confused everyone is the the way really confused everyone is the the way that crowd strike you know kind of had that crowd strike you know kind of had that crowd strike you know kind of had to characterize it because it's a you to characterize it because it's a you to characterize it because it's a you know standard designation in the know standard designation in the know standard designation in the industry is that it's an out right where industry is that it's an out right where industry is that it's an out right where I think lay people think of outage as a I think lay people think of outage as a I think lay people think of outage as a service outage they don't necessarily service outage they don't necessarily service outage they don't necessarily think of it as the bricking of like end think of it as the bricking of like end think of it as the bricking of like end points right and that I think confused a points right and that I think confused a points right and that I think confused a lot of people and but that's like a kind lot of people and but that's like a kind lot of people and but that's like a kind of like the way that you know outage is of like the way that you know outage is of like the way that you know outage is how nist defines these types of how nist defines these types of how nist defines these types of incidences right more from a client incidences right more from a client incidences right more from a client server server server perspective and and I think it's those perspective and and I think it's those perspective and and I think it's those type that kind of uh rtic disconnect type that kind of uh rtic disconnect type that kind of uh rtic disconnect that also fostered the confusion because that also fostered the confusion because that also fostered the confusion because I mean almost everybody if you go and I mean almost everybody if you go and I mean almost everybody if you go and you look at the first accounts of this you look at the first accounts of this you look at the first accounts of this in the media it was they go is the cloud in the media it was they go is the cloud in the media it was they go is the cloud safe those are the headlines like do safe those are the headlines like do safe those are the headlines like do with the with the with the cloud is software safe I mean yeah no cloud is software safe I mean yeah no cloud is software safe I mean yeah no yes and no it depends right yes our yes and no it depends right yes our yes and no it depends right yes our computer safe our people I mean we can computer safe our people I mean we can computer safe our people I mean we can go on and on right but it is it is um it go on and on right but it is it is um it go on and on right but it is it is um it is a big of the of the you know host

is a big of the of the you know host is a big of the of the you know host client situation right I mean crowd client situation right I mean crowd client situation right I mean crowd strike is is there if you're looking at strike is is there if you're looking at strike is is there if you're looking at an IT organization crowdstrike sits an IT organization crowdstrike sits an IT organization crowdstrike sits there and you have a client on each one there and you have a client on each one there and you have a client on each one of the assigned sure um you know so so of the assigned sure um you know so so of the assigned sure um you know so so it's that relationship the the the part it's that relationship the the the part it's that relationship the the the part for me is is the I go back to the for me is is the I go back to the for me is is the I go back to the foundational elements right if you're foundational elements right if you're foundational elements right if you're going to build something you have to going to build something you have to going to build something you have to test it if you test it in- housee it's test it if you test it in- housee it's test it if you test it in- housee it's kind of like the guarden the hen house kind of like the guarden the hen house kind of like the guarden the hen house if you don't have a third-party Black if you don't have a third-party Black if you don't have a third-party Black Box white box testing organization to Box white box testing organization to Box white box testing organization to validate what it is that you done all validate what it is that you done all validate what it is that you done all and it then you're kind of out to lunch and it then you're kind of out to lunch and it then you're kind of out to lunch you're like yeah it's safe we we you're like yeah it's safe we we you're like yeah it's safe we we regression tested it and everything go regression tested it and everything go regression tested it and everything go ahead and install it oops oops oops no ahead and install it oops oops oops no ahead and install it oops oops oops no wait a minute wait a minute we got a wait a minute wait a minute we got a wait a minute wait a minute we got a patch yeah yeah yeah it also didn't help patch yeah yeah yeah it also didn't help patch yeah yeah yeah it also didn't help that uh crowd strike for if you don't that uh crowd strike for if you don't that uh crowd strike for if you don't work with it no one knows what it is work with it no one knows what it is work with it no one knows what it is like what the hell is crowd strike that like what the hell is crowd strike that like what the hell is crowd strike that also did not help you know every also did not help you know every also did not help you know every everyone just kept seeing you know crowd everyone just kept seeing you know crowd everyone just kept seeing you know crowd St out like what is that where we they St out like what is that where we they St out like what is that where we they gave out the they gave out the Uber Eats gave out the they gave out the Uber Eats gave out the they gave out the Uber Eats coupons there for 10 bucks 10 coupons there for 10 bucks 10 coupons there for 10 bucks 10 bucks bad form there man got hold on I'm bucks bad form there man got hold on I'm bucks bad form there man got hold on I'm going to defend it because I think let going to defend it because I think let going to defend it because I think let me explain the strategy behind a $10 me explain the strategy behind a $10 me explain the strategy behind a $10 Uber Eats gift card to these Uber Eats gift card to these Uber Eats gift card to these organizations that were affected now organizations that were affected now organizations that were affected now anyone who's been out in America the anyone who's been out in America the anyone who's been out in America the past 2 and A2 years knows you can no past 2 and A2 years knows you can no past 2 and A2 years knows you can no long have a lunch for less than long have a lunch for less than long have a lunch for less than 15E if you're stuck at an airport have

15E if you're stuck at an airport have 15E if you're stuck at an airport have you g to McDonald's lately get a bottle you g to McDonald's lately get a bottle you g to McDonald's lately get a bottle of water he tried to get a combo of of water he tried to get a combo of of water he tried to get a combo of McDonald's in in the last year so the McDonald's in in the last year so the McDonald's in in the last year so the strategy is they affected the airlines strategy is they affected the airlines strategy is they affected the airlines so much that these people that were the so much that these people that were the so much that these people that were the receips of the $10 gift card they're receips of the $10 gift card they're receips of the $10 gift card they're going to have to leave the country to go going to have to leave the country to go going to have to leave the country to go use the 10 bucks my my kids my kids got use the 10 bucks my my kids my kids got use the 10 bucks my my kids my kids got the $20 scan the thing in the airport the $20 scan the thing in the airport the $20 scan the thing in the airport but because all the systems were down but because all the systems were down but because all the systems were down they couldn't scan it to use their $20 they couldn't scan it to use their $20 they couldn't scan it to use their $20 so yeah so we didn't benefit all is so yeah so we didn't benefit all is so yeah so we didn't benefit all is there a problem with digital there a problem with digital there a problem with digital transformation in general oh jeez you transformation in general oh jeez you transformation in general oh jeez you had to ask it's hard yes it's hard I had to ask it's hard yes it's hard I had to ask it's hard yes it's hard I think they're well yeah I think the think they're well yeah I think the think they're well yeah I think the answer is yes I mean have as someone answer is yes I mean have as someone answer is yes I mean have as someone who's lived it it's very I mean it's who's lived it it's very I mean it's who's lived it it's very I mean it's it's it's there's speak of digital it's it's there's speak of digital it's it's there's speak of digital transformation I'm at this avionic show transformation I'm at this avionic show transformation I'm at this avionic show and I just want to say on this table and I just want to say on this table and I just want to say on this table someone left their pencil and it's a someone left their pencil and it's a someone left their pencil and it's a beautiful pencil with a cool eraser beautiful pencil with a cool eraser beautiful pencil with a cool eraser even that like a even that like a even that like a 1970s you stick the Eraser on the end to 1970s you stick the Eraser on the end to 1970s you stick the Eraser on the end to extend the the Eraser extend the the Eraser extend the the Eraser Li what's really scary is that that just Li what's really scary is that that just Li what's really scary is that that just fell out of a boing fell out of a boing fell out of a boing plane true yeah 30,000 feet probably but plane true yeah 30,000 feet probably but plane true yeah 30,000 feet probably but the good news is that off all I'm gonna the good news is that off all I'm gonna the good news is that off all I'm gonna put it back on if all these digital put it back on if all these digital put it back on if all these digital systems go down that pencil is still systems go down that pencil is still systems go down that pencil is still going to work and it's and if the guy going to work and it's and if the guy going to work and it's and if the guy that owns that pencil is the guy that's that owns that pencil is the guy that's that owns that pencil is the guy that's maintaining that Cobalt system for maintaining that Cobalt system for maintaining that Cobalt system for company so you need get I'm leave that company so you need get I'm leave that company so you need get I'm leave that pencil where it is hopefully he'll find pencil where it is hopefully he'll find pencil where it is hopefully he'll find it or she you need to get that back to

it or she you need to get that back to it or she you need to get that back to Ed or Leon or who belongs so you know I Ed or Leon or who belongs so you know I Ed or Leon or who belongs so you know I can imagine Ed over at Delta getting his can imagine Ed over at Delta getting his can imagine Ed over at Delta getting his Uber Eats coupon and going oh I guess I Uber Eats coupon and going oh I guess I Uber Eats coupon and going oh I guess I won't sue them after all yeah I think I won't sue them after all yeah I think I won't sue them after all yeah I think I mean this is this brings up so you know mean this is this brings up so you know mean this is this brings up so you know obviously I was sitting there on X on obviously I was sitting there on X on obviously I was sitting there on X on Twitter right when it's happening and Twitter right when it's happening and Twitter right when it's happening and you're seeing the CEO crowd strike you're seeing the CEO crowd strike you're seeing the CEO crowd strike trying to dis passionately tell you trying to dis passionately tell you trying to dis passionately tell you what's going on this is not a security what's going on this is not a security what's going on this is not a security this is not a hack attack this is not a this is not a hack attack this is not a this is not a hack attack this is not a we're working on all the comments people we're working on all the comments people we're working on all the comments people are like when are you going to apologize are like when are you going to apologize are like when are you going to apologize why have you not apologized the guy why have you not apologized the guy why have you not apologized the guy never said he was sorry the whole time never said he was sorry the whole time never said he was sorry the whole time and he was was very sterile very you and he was was very sterile very you and he was was very sterile very you know as a matter of fact but the know as a matter of fact but the know as a matter of fact but the takeaway for the whole planet was we takeaway for the whole planet was we takeaway for the whole planet was we just witnessed the the outcome of it is just witnessed the the outcome of it is just witnessed the the outcome of it is the same as the biggest hack attack in the same as the biggest hack attack in the same as the biggest hack attack in the history of the world all time is the the history of the world all time is the the history of the world all time is the outcome so who cares that it wasn't outcome so who cares that it wasn't outcome so who cares that it wasn't hackers we just saw and then you know hackers we just saw and then you know hackers we just saw and then you know Microsoft said it was less than 1% of Microsoft said it was less than 1% of Microsoft said it was less than 1% of Windows computers that were affected Windows computers that were affected Windows computers that were affected less than 1% and it took down almost the less than 1% and it took down almost the less than 1% and it took down almost the whole planet so can you imagine if it whole planet so can you imagine if it whole planet so can you imagine if it was 50% of Windows or whatever this is was 50% of Windows or whatever this is was 50% of Windows or whatever this is everybody Eric was saying it we got to everybody Eric was saying it we got to everybody Eric was saying it we got to step back and take pause and rethink a step back and take pause and rethink a step back and take pause and rethink a whole lot of things because we got a lot whole lot of things because we got a lot whole lot of things because we got a lot of eggs in one basket here we need of eggs in one basket here we need of eggs in one basket here we need diversity of systems we need gosh I diversity of systems we need gosh I diversity of systems we need gosh I mean maybe rethink how an operating mean maybe rethink how an operating mean maybe rethink how an operating system is built too I don't know yeah

system is built too I don't know yeah system is built too I don't know yeah yeah well you know hey um do we really yeah well you know hey um do we really yeah well you know hey um do we really need diversity because that's one of the need diversity because that's one of the need diversity because that's one of the biggest challenges that cyber security biggest challenges that cyber security biggest challenges that cyber security uh industry faces right now is there's uh industry faces right now is there's uh industry faces right now is there's so many players out there it's so so many players out there it's so so many players out there it's so fragmented right and you know so many fragmented right and you know so many fragmented right and you know so many entry point yeah I mean there's a entry point yeah I mean there's a entry point yeah I mean there's a recognition that there needs to be some recognition that there needs to be some recognition that there needs to be some degree of consolidation because the bad degree of consolidation because the bad degree of consolidation because the bad actor are consolidating and they're actor are consolidating and they're actor are consolidating and they're enabling themselves and that's I know enabling themselves and that's I know enabling themselves and that's I know what you're saying yeah because you just what you're saying yeah because you just what you're saying yeah because you just said it Microsoft said one% I don't know said it Microsoft said one% I don't know said it Microsoft said one% I don't know if that's true or not if that's true or not if that's true or not 1% yeah how does the diversity argument 1% yeah how does the diversity argument 1% yeah how does the diversity argument play there I mean think about right what play there I mean think about right what play there I mean think about right what I mean diversity of operating systems I mean diversity of operating systems I mean diversity of operating systems diversity of security is what I mean diversity of security is what I mean diversity of security is what I mean because okay to your point a company because okay to your point a company because okay to your point a company like Microsoft or any other company like like Microsoft or any other company like like Microsoft or any other company like Peter teal says your goal is to become a Peter teal says your goal is to become a Peter teal says your goal is to become a monopoly and so that's your goal and monopoly and so that's your goal and monopoly and so that's your goal and that's what everybody is trying to do that's what everybody is trying to do that's what everybody is trying to do and they're and pretty soon one company and they're and pretty soon one company and they're and pretty soon one company is making all the products that used to is making all the products that used to is making all the products that used to be made by all these other smaller be made by all these other smaller be made by all these other smaller companies and they're just say but see companies and they're just say but see companies and they're just say but see how much easier it is if you just get it how much easier it is if you just get it how much easier it is if you just get it all from us and a lot of companies go all from us and a lot of companies go all from us and a lot of companies go yeah that sounds easy let's do that one yeah that sounds easy let's do that one yeah that sounds easy let's do that one throat to choke and then pretty soon all throat to choke and then pretty soon all throat to choke and then pretty soon all your eggs are in one basket and when your eggs are in one basket and when your eggs are in one basket and when that basket gets thrown off the side of that basket gets thrown off the side of that basket gets thrown off the side of the road you're a bunch of cracked eggs the road you're a bunch of cracked eggs the road you're a bunch of cracked eggs sizzling in the Las Vegas Sun sizzling in the Las Vegas Sun sizzling in the Las Vegas Sun baby there we go that's the complete the baby there we go that's the complete the baby there we go that's the complete the analogy that was analogy that was analogy that was oh my gosh all right on that note I oh my gosh all right on that note I oh my gosh all right on that note I think we got to close this out so who think we got to close this out so who think we got to close this out so who wants to take us wants to take us wants to take us out why how's that a question oh that's

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