IoTCT Webcast Episode 293 - "Non-Alcoholic Predictions" (Hot IoT+ guesses for 2026)

Heat. Heat. [music] >> Wow. >> Wow. [music] Wow. Wow. That was That was That was >> Was that Dr. Feelgood or was that >> Was that Dr. Feelgood or was that >> Was that Dr. Feelgood or was that >> No, that was uh Van Halen's Light Up the >> No, that was uh Van Halen's Light Up the >> No, that was uh Van Halen's Light Up the Sky, which is going to happen next week, Sky, which is going to happen next week, Sky, which is going to happen next week, right?

right? right? >> Oh, there you go. >> Oh, there you go. >> Oh, there you go. >> See, they they had a song for every >> See, they they had a song for every >> See, they they had a song for every season and every reason. season and every reason. season and every reason. >> Wow, that it's a rhyme. You could be a >> Wow, that it's a rhyme. You could be a >> Wow, that it's a rhyme. You could be a songwriter, dude. songwriter, dude. songwriter, dude. >> Yeah, I could. Yeah, the part that I >> Yeah, I could. Yeah, the part that I >> Yeah, I could. Yeah, the part that I screwed up is really cool. It goes like screwed up is really cool. It goes like screwed up is really cool. It goes like this. [clears throat] this. [clears throat] this. [clears throat] [music] >> But it's hard to block when you just >> But it's hard to block when you just learned it. So learned it. So learned it. So >> true. >> true. >> true. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Luckily, no one will notice that you hit >> Luckily, no one will notice that you hit >> Luckily, no one will notice that you hit the wrong note. the wrong note. the wrong note. >> No, most people don't. You know, >> No, most people don't. You know, >> No, most people don't. You know, >> most people. >> most people. >> most people. >> Yeah. Which is the reason why AI music >> Yeah. Which is the reason why AI music >> Yeah. Which is the reason why AI music is going to take off is people just is going to take off is people just is going to take off is people just >> cuz they don't know. They don't know and >> cuz they don't know. They don't know and >> cuz they don't know. They don't know and they don't care. It's like, you know, they don't care. It's like, you know, they don't care. It's like, you know, the only people who are going to the only people who are going to the only people who are going to complain are people who like jazz. complain are people who like jazz. complain are people who like jazz. And then everyone else thinks that jazz And then everyone else thinks that jazz And then everyone else thinks that jazz sounds like crap, right? So sounds like crap, right? So sounds like crap, right? So >> yeah, what a tragedy.

>> yeah, what a tragedy. >> yeah, what a tragedy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's all awareness cuz think >> You know, it's all awareness cuz think >> You know, it's all awareness cuz think about it. You actually have to go to about it. You actually have to go to about it. You actually have to go to class for jazz appreciation. class for jazz appreciation. class for jazz appreciation. [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] >> You can't just enjoy it. You can just >> You can't just enjoy it. You can just >> You can't just enjoy it. You can just listen to the records. listen to the records. listen to the records. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But then, you know, you have >> Yeah. But then, you know, you have >> Yeah. But then, you know, you have Britney Spears and that's all like, you Britney Spears and that's all like, you Britney Spears and that's all like, you know, it's like wine, right? You have to know, it's like wine, right? You have to know, it's like wine, right? You have to you take wine classes and then you end you take wine classes and then you end you take wine classes and then you end up appreciating wine more. up appreciating wine more. up appreciating wine more. >> Ah, I see. >> Ah, I see. >> Ah, I see. >> Buy more expensive wine, right? >> Buy more expensive wine, right? >> Buy more expensive wine, right? >> Got it. >> Got it. >> Got it. >> Well, Rob would know about that. He's >> Well, Rob would know about that. He's >> Well, Rob would know about that. He's the He's professionally trained. the He's professionally trained. the He's professionally trained. >> Yeah. It's like music. >> Yeah. It's like music. >> Yeah. It's like music. >> It's like It's like music. >> It's like It's like music. >> It's like It's like music. >> What's that? >> What's that? >> What's that? >> Oh my god. Real to real. >> Oh my god. Real to real. >> Oh my god. Real to real. >> Oh, wait. What is that? Oh, >> Oh, wait. What is that? Oh, >> Oh, wait. What is that? Oh, >> it's actually >> it's actually >> it's actually >> Are you serious? >> Are you serious? >> Are you serious? >> It's actually vinyl. Did you ever see We >> It's actually vinyl. Did you ever see We >> It's actually vinyl. Did you ever see We may have talked about this before. Did may have talked about this before. Did may have talked about this before. Did you ever see the show? It's called Sound you ever see the show? It's called Sound you ever see the show? It's called Sound City. Dave Bro put it together. City. Dave Bro put it together. City. Dave Bro put it together. >> Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, love that documentary. I >> Yeah. I mean, love that documentary. I >> Yeah. I mean, love that documentary. I can't find it anywhere streaming can't find it anywhere streaming can't find it anywhere streaming anymore. Um, I did find manage to get a anymore. Um, I did find manage to get a anymore. Um, I did find manage to get a Blu-ray of it, but it it's it's from Blu-ray of it, but it it's it's from Blu-ray of it, but it it's it's from Germany. Is that about where he salvages Germany. Is that about where he salvages Germany. Is that about where he salvages that board that mix that board that mix that board that mix >> the Neve?

>> the Neve? >> the Neve? >> The Neve >> The Neve >> The Neve >> analog soundboard. Yes. >> analog soundboard. Yes. >> analog soundboard. Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> The Nect actually, you know, there's a >> The Nect actually, you know, there's a >> The Nect actually, you know, there's a there there is a an installation of the there there is a an installation of the there there is a an installation of the Neve in uh London Bridge Studios in Neve in uh London Bridge Studios in Neve in uh London Bridge Studios in Seattle. Seattle. Seattle. >> Oh, that's so cool. I love it. >> Oh, that's so cool. I love it. >> Oh, that's so cool. I love it. >> I've actually recorded on the Neve once >> I've actually recorded on the Neve once >> I've actually recorded on the Neve once for a day. for a day. for a day. >> Oh, dude, that's huge. >> Oh, dude, that's huge. >> Oh, dude, that's huge. >> Yeah, it was pretty huge. Really? >> Yeah, it was pretty huge. Really? >> Yeah, it was pretty huge. Really? >> Yeah. [clears throat] There's a KNEV in >> Yeah. [clears throat] There's a KNEV in >> Yeah. [clears throat] There's a KNEV in in London Bridge in Seattle. Yeah. So, in London Bridge in Seattle. Yeah. So, in London Bridge in Seattle. Yeah. So, >> what did they say? >> what did they say? >> what did they say? >> Like the guy built less than 10 of them >> Like the guy built less than 10 of them >> Like the guy built less than 10 of them or something like that. And they're or something like that. And they're or something like that. And they're totally handmade. totally handmade. totally handmade. >> Yeah. No, they're totally handmade. I >> Yeah. No, they're totally handmade. I >> Yeah. No, they're totally handmade. I mean, takes up the whole room. It's mean, takes up the whole room. It's mean, takes up the whole room. It's amazing. So, amazing. So, amazing. So, >> it is um you know, we often say that >> it is um you know, we often say that >> it is um you know, we often say that Dave Gro is the only person kind of Dave Gro is the only person kind of Dave Gro is the only person kind of keeping rock and roll alive and and is keeping rock and roll alive and and is keeping rock and roll alive and and is he's a rock and roll historian kind of he's a rock and roll historian kind of he's a rock and roll historian kind of like us. like us. like us. >> He is and he does lots of documentaries >> He is and he does lots of documentaries >> He is and he does lots of documentaries and stuff. And [clears throat] so, uh, and stuff. And [clears throat] so, uh, and stuff. And [clears throat] so, uh, Sound City was incredible, Sound City was incredible, Sound City was incredible, >> you know, because you had Stevie, you >> you know, because you had Stevie, you >> you know, because you had Stevie, you know, they kind of take you the history know, they kind of take you the history know, they kind of take you the history of Sound that studio there in San of Sound that studio there in San of Sound that studio there in San Frernando Valley, you know.

Frernando Valley, you know. Frernando Valley, you know. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Um, you know, Stevie Nicks cleaning >> Um, you know, Stevie Nicks cleaning >> Um, you know, Stevie Nicks cleaning houses to make a living houses to make a living houses to make a living >> with her boyfriend Lindsay Buckingham, >> with her boyfriend Lindsay Buckingham, >> with her boyfriend Lindsay Buckingham, who's kind of a jerk maybe. Um, and some who's kind of a jerk maybe. Um, and some who's kind of a jerk maybe. Um, and some guys from England just show up and like, guys from England just show up and like, guys from England just show up and like, who are these who are these who are these people? Maybe they could sing with us. people? Maybe they could sing with us. people? Maybe they could sing with us. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yeah. be streaming somewhere. Maybe it's >> Yeah. be streaming somewhere. Maybe it's >> Yeah. be streaming somewhere. Maybe it's on Vimeo or something. I don't know. on Vimeo or something. I don't know. on Vimeo or something. I don't know. It's got to be It's got to be It's got to be >> maybe. So, but yes. So, >> maybe. So, but yes. So, >> maybe. So, but yes. So, >> TV. >> TV. >> TV. >> I really Yeah. And so, the the Blu-ray I >> I really Yeah. And so, the the Blu-ray I >> I really Yeah. And so, the the Blu-ray I got it looks like it's from Germany. I I got it looks like it's from Germany. I I got it looks like it's from Germany. I I haven't tried I don't even have a haven't tried I don't even have a haven't tried I don't even have a >> Is that a Blu-ray? Is that a Blu-ray >> Is that a Blu-ray? Is that a Blu-ray >> Is that a Blu-ray? Is that a Blu-ray that that that that that that >> this is vinyl, but I have a Blu-ray I >> this is vinyl, but I have a Blu-ray I >> this is vinyl, but I have a Blu-ray I also got off of Amazon, but it you know, also got off of Amazon, but it you know, also got off of Amazon, but it you know, you know how they re region encoding you know how they re region encoding you know how they re region encoding stuff? I don't know if that's still a stuff? I don't know if that's still a stuff? I don't know if that's still a thing or not. thing or not. thing or not. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> at least it's not a laser disc. That >> at least it's not a laser disc. That >> at least it's not a laser disc. That would be harder to play. would be harder to play. would be harder to play. >> That would be harder to play. But >> That would be harder to play. But >> That would be harder to play. But wouldn't it be cooler if we could play wouldn't it be cooler if we could play wouldn't it be cooler if we could play it? If we had a laser disc? it? If we had a laser disc? it? If we had a laser disc? >> I'm sure you could find a laser disc >> I'm sure you could find a laser disc >> I'm sure you could find a laser disc player out there. player out there. player out there. >> Yeah. It's funny. My um um my sister's >> Yeah. It's funny. My um um my sister's >> Yeah. It's funny. My um um my sister's um mother-in-law was asking for a CD cuz um mother-in-law was asking for a CD cuz um mother-in-law was asking for a CD cuz she want CD player cuz she had a CD and she want CD player cuz she had a CD and she want CD player cuz she had a CD and she wanted to play it said sorry.

she wanted to play it said sorry. she wanted to play it said sorry. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> You know, we have we have we >> You know, we have we have we >> You know, we have we have we [clears throat] haven't had a CD player [clears throat] haven't had a CD player [clears throat] haven't had a CD player since 1969. [laughter] since 1969. [laughter] since 1969. [laughter] You can get those. Yeah, I have a little You can get those. Yeah, I have a little You can get those. Yeah, I have a little external one. I have a little USB external one. I have a little USB external one. I have a little USB connector. So, just in case. connector. So, just in case. connector. So, just in case. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Pop that in your MacBook and play >> Yeah. Pop that in your MacBook and play >> Yeah. Pop that in your MacBook and play stuff. So, stuff. So, stuff. So, >> I love it. There's some kind of cool >> I love it. There's some kind of cool >> I love it. There's some kind of cool ones that some indie kind of startups ones that some indie kind of startups ones that some indie kind of startups have made some cool CD players and have made some cool CD players and have made some cool CD players and players that kind of look funky and players that kind of look funky and players that kind of look funky and >> cuz you know >> cuz you know >> cuz you know with the USB outputs. with the USB outputs. with the USB outputs. >> Yeah. There's a lot of money in >> Yeah. There's a lot of money in >> Yeah. There's a lot of money in nostalgia nostalgia nostalgia >> playing your old media. You know >> playing your old media. You know >> playing your old media. You know >> what happened to him? He froze up. You >> what happened to him? He froze up. You >> what happened to him? He froze up. You froze up, dude. Uh froze up, dude. Uh froze up, dude. Uh >> oh. His CD player froze up on them. >> oh. His CD player froze up on them. >> oh. His CD player froze up on them. >> Yeah, playing old media with USB >> Yeah, playing old media with USB >> Yeah, playing old media with USB connectors instead of analog uh RCA connectors instead of analog uh RCA connectors instead of analog uh RCA jacks. That's the hot thing. jacks. That's the hot thing. jacks. That's the hot thing. >> Cassette decks, >> Cassette decks, >> Cassette decks, >> all >> all >> all I'm back. You know, the funny thing is I I'm back. You know, the funny thing is I I'm back. You know, the funny thing is I heard you the whole time. heard you the whole time. heard you the whole time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um and you two are frozen, but now I'm >> Um and you two are frozen, but now I'm >> Um and you two are frozen, but now I'm self-aware enough to know that it could self-aware enough to know that it could self-aware enough to know that it could be me and not you. Well, you know, be me and not you. Well, you know, be me and not you. Well, you know, they're having outages right now.

they're having outages right now. they're having outages right now. >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, okay. >> Internet outages. >> Internet outages. >> Internet outages. >> Big one. Big one yesterday and the day >> Big one. Big one yesterday and the day >> Big one. Big one yesterday and the day before. Yeah, before. Yeah, before. Yeah, >> we had some Xfinity outages up here past >> we had some Xfinity outages up here past >> we had some Xfinity outages up here past couple of days. couple of days. couple of days. >> Yeah. Well, that's what I'm on is >> Yeah. Well, that's what I'm on is >> Yeah. Well, that's what I'm on is Xfinity. Maybe, you know, and Zoom has Xfinity. Maybe, you know, and Zoom has Xfinity. Maybe, you know, and Zoom has told me that my internet connection is told me that my internet connection is told me that my internet connection is unstable. unstable. unstable. >> Unstable. Oh, yeah. Of course. >> Unstable. Oh, yeah. Of course. >> Unstable. Oh, yeah. Of course. >> Yeah. Yes. [snorts] >> Yeah. Yes. [snorts] >> Yeah. Yes. [snorts] >> I didn't know if they were talking about >> I didn't know if they were talking about >> I didn't know if they were talking about me personally being unstable, which me personally being unstable, which me personally being unstable, which >> story of 2025, right? Your may be >> story of 2025, right? Your may be >> story of 2025, right? Your may be unstable. unstable. unstable. >> [laughter] [snorts] [snorts] >> But that that is that is happening more >> But that that is that is happening more >> But that that is that is happening more and more. I've been keeping track ever and more. I've been keeping track ever and more. I've been keeping track ever since the a big AWS outage and it seems since the a big AWS outage and it seems since the a big AWS outage and it seems that that that >> there there's something more than DNS >> there there's something more than DNS >> there there's something more than DNS going on. [laughter] going on. [laughter] going on. [laughter] >> Also, you know, these days we have a lot >> Also, you know, these days we have a lot >> Also, you know, these days we have a lot less tolerance for outages than we used less tolerance for outages than we used less tolerance for outages than we used to. I mean, it used to be like, to. I mean, it used to be like, to. I mean, it used to be like, >> you know, stop talking on the phone so I >> you know, stop talking on the phone so I >> you know, stop talking on the phone so I could connect to the internet. Now it's could connect to the internet. Now it's could connect to the internet. Now it's like, oh, wait a minute. There's a 2 like, oh, wait a minute. There's a 2 like, oh, wait a minute. There's a 2 millisecond delay on my thing. You're millisecond delay on my thing. You're millisecond delay on my thing. You're like, "What the hell's going on?" like, "What the hell's going on?" like, "What the hell's going on?" >> Flip the table over and it's like, >> Flip the table over and it's like, >> Flip the table over and it's like, >> "Yeah." No, but that's a good point >> "Yeah." No, but that's a good point >> "Yeah." No, but that's a good point because we are over reliant on digital because we are over reliant on digital because we are over reliant on digital technology and, you know, being technology and, you know, being technology and, you know, being connected cuz think about what happened connected cuz think about what happened connected cuz think about what happened to Whimo, to Whimo, to Whimo, >> right? They had a blackout or whatever >> right? They had a blackout or whatever >> right? They had a blackout or whatever and then the there were there were there and then the there were there were there and then the there were there were there were um Whimo cars creating were um Whimo cars creating were um Whimo cars creating >> driving in circles.

>> driving in circles. >> driving in circles. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, no, they weren't even driving. they >> No, no, they weren't even driving. they >> No, no, they weren't even driving. they just stopped and they're creating um you just stopped and they're creating um you just stopped and they're creating um you know congestion all over San Francisco. know congestion all over San Francisco. know congestion all over San Francisco. So So So >> yeah. No, it's uh we're totally I mean >> yeah. No, it's uh we're totally I mean >> yeah. No, it's uh we're totally I mean look Roku TVs. I mean everything is look Roku TVs. I mean everything is look Roku TVs. I mean everything is >> that's a good point. >> that's a good point. >> that's a good point. >> Cloud connected for something even if >> Cloud connected for something even if >> Cloud connected for something even if the processing is happening locally it the processing is happening locally it the processing is happening locally it still needs the cloud connection still needs the cloud connection still needs the cloud connection authentic. authentic. authentic. >> How are we going to how are people going >> How are we going to how are people going >> How are we going to how are people going to cope in the coming postapocalyptic to cope in the coming postapocalyptic to cope in the coming postapocalyptic world world world apocalypse right? You know, I don't know apocalypse right? You know, I don't know apocalypse right? You know, I don't know how people are going to handle how people are going to handle how people are going to handle >> overdependent, you know, all of our >> overdependent, you know, all of our >> overdependent, you know, all of our systems critical infrastructure systems critical infrastructure systems critical infrastructure dependent on networking. I mean, it's dependent on networking. I mean, it's dependent on networking. I mean, it's it's Battlestar Galactic. [laughter] it's Battlestar Galactic. [laughter] it's Battlestar Galactic. [laughter] >> Yeah. Or now that the second season now >> Yeah. Or now that the second season now >> Yeah. Or now that the second season now the second season of Fallout has come the second season of Fallout has come the second season of Fallout has come out on Amazon, you know, it's just a out on Amazon, you know, it's just a out on Amazon, you know, it's just a refresher about the future, you know. refresher about the future, you know. refresher about the future, you know. >> If you're lucky enough to be in a vault >> If you're lucky enough to be in a vault >> If you're lucky enough to be in a vault >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> for the next 30 or 40 years, >> for the next 30 or 40 years, >> for the next 30 or 40 years, >> which they built. >> which they built. >> which they built. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Some of the really super rich >> Yeah. Some of the really super rich >> Yeah. Some of the really super rich people apparently have built Fall people apparently have built Fall people apparently have built Fall themselves.

themselves. themselves. >> I totally played Fallout the original >> I totally played Fallout the original >> I totally played Fallout the original Fallout on the PC when that came out. I Fallout on the PC when that came out. I Fallout on the PC when that came out. I thought that was such a cool game. thought that was such a cool game. thought that was such a cool game. >> Yeah, that was good. >> Yeah, that was good. >> Yeah, that was good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And they've done a good job with the >> And they've done a good job with the >> And they've done a good job with the show. show. show. >> So, I thought I saw some interesting >> So, I thought I saw some interesting >> So, I thought I saw some interesting things on the LinkedIn machine. Um, you things on the LinkedIn machine. Um, you things on the LinkedIn machine. Um, you know, I saw Mr. Lyntheum, Mr. Dave Lynn, know, I saw Mr. Lyntheum, Mr. Dave Lynn, know, I saw Mr. Lyntheum, Mr. Dave Lynn, Mr. Cloud Guy and AI guy now. Mr. Cloud Guy and AI guy now. Mr. Cloud Guy and AI guy now. >> Yeah. He was he was he asked a did a >> Yeah. He was he was he asked a did a >> Yeah. He was he was he asked a did a poll or question you know he wanted to poll or question you know he wanted to poll or question you know he wanted to change the name of his podcast or his change the name of his podcast or his change the name of his podcast or his video video video >> and you know should I >> and you know should I >> and you know should I have it you know linkum versus tech or I have it you know linkum versus tech or I have it you know linkum versus tech or I don't know or some generic thing cloud don't know or some generic thing cloud don't know or some generic thing cloud AI or whatever but you know whatever you AI or whatever but you know whatever you AI or whatever but you know whatever you know and I know and I understand where know and I know and I understand where know and I know and I understand where he's coming from cuz we've had these he's coming from cuz we've had these he's coming from cuz we've had these discussions many times where it's like discussions many times where it's like discussions many times where it's like have we pigeon holed ourselves doing it have we pigeon holed ourselves doing it have we pigeon holed ourselves doing it IoT coffee talk um as far as our reach IoT coffee talk um as far as our reach IoT coffee talk um as far as our reach or who listens to us. or who listens to us. or who listens to us. >> Too much coffee. Too much coffee focus. >> Too much coffee. Too much coffee focus. >> Too much coffee. Too much coffee focus. I agree. I agree. I agree. >> Well, you know, [laughter] >> dude, this is the funny thing. On >> dude, this is the funny thing. On LinkedIn, we have a group, right? We LinkedIn, we have a group, right? We LinkedIn, we have a group, right? We keep I you know, for the last few years, keep I you know, for the last few years, keep I you know, for the last few years, I've been getting all these people I've been getting all these people I've been getting all these people wanting to join who are from coffee wanting to join who are from coffee wanting to join who are from coffee companies [laughter] from all around the world.

from all around the world. >> Hey, we could use a sponsor, you know, >> Hey, we could use a sponsor, you know, >> Hey, we could use a sponsor, you know, >> brought to you by Maxwell's House. >> brought to you by Maxwell's House. >> brought to you by Maxwell's House. >> Maxwell House. Yeah, that'd be great. >> Maxwell House. Yeah, that'd be great. >> Maxwell House. Yeah, that'd be great. Chalk full of nuts, you know. Chalk full of nuts, you know. Chalk full of nuts, you know. >> Chalk full of nuts. >> Chalk full of nuts. >> Chalk full of nuts. >> For a [clears throat] while, I was >> For a [clears throat] while, I was >> For a [clears throat] while, I was scratching my head wondering why the scratching my head wondering why the scratching my head wondering why the hell are these people [laughter] wanting hell are these people [laughter] wanting hell are these people [laughter] wanting to join? Oh, it's the coffee. to join? Oh, it's the coffee. to join? Oh, it's the coffee. >> Yes. But I thought >> Yes. But I thought >> Yes. But I thought >> dude, it's like crazy. Yeah. >> dude, it's like crazy. Yeah. >> dude, it's like crazy. Yeah. >> But our our analyst friend, you know, >> But our our analyst friend, you know, >> But our our analyst friend, you know, Steven Dickens had commented on Lyntheum Steven Dickens had commented on Lyntheum Steven Dickens had commented on Lyntheum Steel just saying he had three things. Steel just saying he had three things. Steel just saying he had three things. He was kind of like his top three PR He was kind of like his top three PR He was kind of like his top three PR kind of things, you know, he's like, I kind of things, you know, he's like, I kind of things, you know, he's like, I don't want you to screw up by making a don't want you to screw up by making a don't want you to screw up by making a big change. But he did say something big change. But he did say something big change. But he did say something like, "Never call whatever it is by your like, "Never call whatever it is by your like, "Never call whatever it is by your your name your name your name >> in case you want to sell it." >> in case you want to sell it." >> in case you want to sell it." >> Which may or may not be true. I get that >> Which may or may not be true. I get that >> Which may or may not be true. I get that being generic if I want to sell it, you being generic if I want to sell it, you being generic if I want to sell it, you know, but then you have people who like know, but then you have people who like know, but then you have people who like Joe Rogan or others where the whole Joe Rogan or others where the whole Joe Rogan or others where the whole thing is their name and obviously it thing is their name and obviously it thing is their name and obviously it works for them. I don't know. Um he said works for them. I don't know. Um he said works for them. I don't know. Um he said don't have a spec a second one was don't don't have a spec a second one was don't don't have a spec a second one was don't have a particular type of tech name have a particular type of tech name have a particular type of tech name included in your title because tech included in your title because tech included in your title because tech changes and we have to kind of go with changes and we have to kind of go with changes and we have to kind of go with the times and whatever is hot you know 5 the times and whatever is hot you know 5 the times and whatever is hot you know 5 years ago may not be hot in the future years ago may not be hot in the future years ago may not be hot in the future and uh and I get that and that kind of and uh and I get that and that kind of and uh and I get that and that kind of hit you know cuz we've talked about IoT hit you know cuz we've talked about IoT hit you know cuz we've talked about IoT running out of gas a long time ago and running out of gas a long time ago and running out of gas a long time ago and should we have a more if it could have should we have a more if it could have should we have a more if it could have still been coffee talk should it be tech still been coffee talk should it be tech still been coffee talk should it be tech coffee talk or blah blah blah coffee coffee talk or blah blah blah coffee coffee talk or blah blah blah coffee talk whatever Um and then I forgot what talk whatever Um and then I forgot what talk whatever Um and then I forgot what the third one was but uh he was giving the third one was but uh he was giving the third one was but uh he was giving his two cents his two cents his two cents >> to David about a change and now the >> to David about a change and now the >> to David about a change and now the other thing too and which I often tell

other thing too and which I often tell other thing too and which I often tell marketers stupid f and we saw this at marketers stupid f and we saw this at marketers stupid f and we saw this at Microsoft a lot Microsoft a lot Microsoft a lot >> marketers gone wild where they just >> marketers gone wild where they just >> marketers gone wild where they just decide arbitrarily we need to change the decide arbitrarily we need to change the decide arbitrarily we need to change the whole name of this product or this thing whole name of this product or this thing whole name of this product or this thing and it's going to be somehow better and and it's going to be somehow better and and it's going to be somehow better and it's not better it crashes the whole it's not better it crashes the whole it's not better it crashes the whole product and it's because whether you product and it's because whether you product and it's because whether you love the name or not, people were love the name or not, people were love the name or not, people were accustomed to the name and that's the accustomed to the name and that's the accustomed to the name and that's the only brand equity you had. Um, only brand equity you had. Um, only brand equity you had. Um, >> Windows Phone 7 series, >> Windows Phone 7 series, >> Windows Phone 7 series, >> right? Who thought that was a good idea, >> right? Who thought that was a good idea, >> right? Who thought that was a good idea, you know? you know? you know? >> Well, you know, we didn't know if this >> Well, you know, we didn't know if this >> Well, you know, we didn't know if this thing was going to last, right? I mean, thing was going to last, right? I mean, thing was going to last, right? I mean, we had Debbie Downer, Rick Bada telling we had Debbie Downer, Rick Bada telling we had Debbie Downer, Rick Bada telling us that we ran out of things to talk us that we ran out of things to talk us that we ran out of things to talk about. And that was like what, five about. And that was like what, five about. And that was like what, five years ago or maybe five years and uh years ago or maybe five years and uh years ago or maybe five years and uh eight months ago, [laughter] eight months ago, [laughter] eight months ago, [laughter] >> or so episodes. He's like, "All right, >> or so episodes. He's like, "All right, >> or so episodes. He's like, "All right, [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] we've talked about everything." Oh, I'm we've talked about everything." Oh, I'm we've talked about everything." Oh, I'm unstable again, it looks like. unstable again, it looks like. unstable again, it looks like. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, we've talked about everything we can >> Um, we've talked about everything we can >> Um, we've talked about everything we can talk about. And so, uh, yeah, but what talk about. And so, uh, yeah, but what talk about. And so, uh, yeah, but what did we do? we just kind of started did we do? we just kind of started did we do? we just kind of started talking about tech and whatever.

talking about tech and whatever. talking about tech and whatever. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> and so I think about other podcast pods >> and so I think about other podcast pods >> and so I think about other podcast pods that are popular like um, Moonshots or that are popular like um, Moonshots or that are popular like um, Moonshots or Allin. There's some other, you know, and Allin. There's some other, you know, and Allin. There's some other, you know, and you know, those are kind of you know, those are kind of you know, those are kind of collaborative. A whole bunch of guys, collaborative. A whole bunch of guys, collaborative. A whole bunch of guys, you know, like uh, Diamandis always you know, like uh, Diamandis always you know, like uh, Diamandis always talks about his moonshot mates. I always talks about his moonshot mates. I always talks about his moonshot mates. I always think about our coffee talk mates, you think about our coffee talk mates, you think about our coffee talk mates, you know, that been around and it's kind of know, that been around and it's kind of know, that been around and it's kind of the same vibe. both of those, you know, the same vibe. both of those, you know, the same vibe. both of those, you know, it's like, yeah, we all hang out and we it's like, yeah, we all hang out and we it's like, yeah, we all hang out and we talk about whatever's hot that week or talk about whatever's hot that week or talk about whatever's hot that week or something like that. something like that. something like that. >> Well, if you ever if you ever really >> Well, if you ever if you ever really >> Well, if you ever if you ever really want to attract the coffee folks, just want to attract the coffee folks, just want to attract the coffee folks, just rename it coffee talk instead of IoT rename it coffee talk instead of IoT rename it coffee talk instead of IoT coffee talk, then you're really good. coffee talk, then you're really good. coffee talk, then you're really good. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> No, I I Coffee Talk's not the worst idea >> No, I I Coffee Talk's not the worst idea >> No, I I Coffee Talk's not the worst idea except [clears throat] except [clears throat] except [clears throat] that domain name is long gone. that domain name is long gone. that domain name is long gone. >> Talk. No, you have to spell it like C A >> Talk. No, you have to spell it like C A >> Talk. No, you have to spell it like C A W F E. Quiety talk. W F E. Quiety talk. W F E. Quiety talk. >> Yes. You know, it's not real coffee talk >> Yes. You know, it's not real coffee talk >> Yes. You know, it's not real coffee talk until you have Barbara Stysan come on until you have Barbara Stysan come on until you have Barbara Stysan come on your show. You know, your show. You know, your show. You know, >> we've got we've got Babs.

>> we've got we've got Babs. >> we've got we've got Babs. >> OH my god. >> OH my god. >> OH my god. >> Well, here's another way of looking at >> Well, here's another way of looking at >> Well, here's another way of looking at it. [laughter] it. [laughter] it. [laughter] >> Mad. >> Mad. >> Mad. >> That was great. That was a great >> That was great. That was a great >> That was great. That was a great episode. That was such a funny skit. episode. That was such a funny skit. episode. That was such a funny skit. [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] >> Yeah. But another way of looking at it >> Yeah. But another way of looking at it >> Yeah. But another way of looking at it is we only have four more years until is we only have four more years until is we only have four more years until IoT becomes the new hype again. IoT becomes the new hype again. IoT becomes the new hype again. Yeah. [clears throat] Could just hang in Yeah. [clears throat] Could just hang in Yeah. [clears throat] Could just hang in there until it swings back around, you there until it swings back around, you there until it swings back around, you know. know. know. >> Yeah. And then in the interim, you just >> Yeah. And then in the interim, you just >> Yeah. And then in the interim, you just can make fun of it and how stupid it can make fun of it and how stupid it can make fun of it and how stupid it was. The previous was. The previous was. The previous >> like skinny ties, you know, skinny ties. >> like skinny ties, you know, skinny ties. >> like skinny ties, you know, skinny ties. Don't throw out your skinny ties. Don't throw out your skinny ties. Don't throw out your skinny ties. >> It's like Zuckerberg fashion's never >> It's like Zuckerberg fashion's never >> It's like Zuckerberg fashion's never finished. finished. finished. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and and it >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and and it >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and and it actually makes for a pretty good story. actually makes for a pretty good story. actually makes for a pretty good story. You can if people ask you, well, why do You can if people ask you, well, why do You can if people ask you, well, why do you got you know, IoT? That's like pass you got you know, IoT? That's like pass you got you know, IoT? That's like pass A. Who cares about that? Right. A. Who cares about that? Right. A. Who cares about that? Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> And you can you can just tell them, hey, >> And you can you can just tell them, hey, >> And you can you can just tell them, hey, look, you know what? Um Yeah. But you look, you know what? Um Yeah. But you look, you know what? Um Yeah. But you know, we're still keeping it because uh know, we're still keeping it because uh know, we're still keeping it because uh it reminds us of hype, it reminds us of hype, it reminds us of hype, >> you know, but in four more years it is >> you know, but in four more years it is >> you know, but in four more years it is going to be the going to be the going to be the >> context. It's good context.

>> context. It's good context. >> context. It's good context. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And there's even these companies from >> And there's even these companies from >> And there's even these companies from like remember the dot there still Erade like remember the dot there still Erade like remember the dot there still Erade is still around. I mean remember is still around. I mean remember is still around. I mean remember companies came up with all these names. companies came up with all these names. companies came up with all these names. Although iRoot was it I no Roomba Although iRoot was it I no Roomba Although iRoot was it I no Roomba >> but it was iRoot made the Roomba. >> but it was iRoot made the Roomba. >> but it was iRoot made the Roomba. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But they went out of business this >> Yeah. But they went out of business this >> Yeah. But they went out of business this week this past business. That's real week this past business. That's real week this past business. That's real sad. sad. sad. >> But there it was like the iPad. Remember >> But there it was like the iPad. Remember >> But there it was like the iPad. Remember when I uh the it was iPad and you know when I uh the it was iPad and you know when I uh the it was iPad and you know iPod and all that other stuff and then iPod and all that other stuff and then iPod and all that other stuff and then people people people >> put iRoot >> put iRoot >> put iRoot >> I in front of everything. >> I in front of everything. >> I in front of everything. >> E Trade you know there was that still >> E Trade you know there was that still >> E Trade you know there was that still around the only one. So, you know, these around the only one. So, you know, these around the only one. So, you know, these are artifacts of the are artifacts of the are artifacts of the >> of our history which we can't forget, >> of our history which we can't forget, >> of our history which we can't forget, you know. So, it's probably good to keep you know. So, it's probably good to keep you know. So, it's probably good to keep the name appended so that like you said, the name appended so that like you said, the name appended so that like you said, it reminds us of our it reminds us of our it reminds us of our >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> hubris. >> hubris. >> hubris. >> Yeah. There you go. >> Yeah. There you go. >> Yeah. There you go. >> Reminds us of our hubris. >> Reminds us of our hubris. >> Reminds us of our hubris. >> It's a way of making fun of ourselves, >> It's a way of making fun of ourselves, >> It's a way of making fun of ourselves, you know. you know. you know. >> Keeping it real. Keeping it real. >> Keeping it real. Keeping it real. >> Keeping it real. Keeping it real. >> Keeping it real. [laughter] >> Keeping it real. [laughter] >> Keeping it real. [laughter] >> I've got soul, but I'm not a soldier.

>> I've got soul, but I'm not a soldier. >> I've got soul, but I'm not a soldier. Okay. Uh, Okay. Uh, Okay. Uh, >> speaking of old things, by the way, Rob, >> speaking of old things, by the way, Rob, >> speaking of old things, by the way, Rob, I don't know if you saw I I sent it to I don't know if you saw I I sent it to I don't know if you saw I I sent it to Rob. I originally texted this image to Rob. I originally texted this image to Rob. I originally texted this image to Rob and then I post on LinkedIn, but it Rob and then I post on LinkedIn, but it Rob and then I post on LinkedIn, but it was this was this was this >> I was at a trophy store in Belleview >> I was at a trophy store in Belleview >> I was at a trophy store in Belleview here because we're getting some new Edji here because we're getting some new Edji here because we're getting some new Edji Foundation award things, which is going Foundation award things, which is going Foundation award things, which is going to be cool, by the way. But the u this to be cool, by the way. But the u this to be cool, by the way. But the u this guy was it was like a little mom and guy was it was like a little mom and guy was it was like a little mom and pop, literally mom and pop trophy store pop, literally mom and pop trophy store pop, literally mom and pop trophy store in Belleview in Belleview in Belleview >> near the Chone Hardware. Remember Chone >> near the Chone Hardware. Remember Chone >> near the Chone Hardware. Remember Chone Hardware? Rob, Hardware? Rob, Hardware? Rob, >> that's that's [snorts] blast from the >> that's that's [snorts] blast from the >> that's that's [snorts] blast from the >> It's in that little strip mall. But >> It's in that little strip mall. But >> It's in that little strip mall. But anyway, I go in there and then like by anyway, I go in there and then like by anyway, I go in there and then like by the register is like it's like this the register is like it's like this the register is like it's like this tall. I mean, it was huge. tall. I mean, it was huge. tall. I mean, it was huge. >> So, it's bigger than I look when you >> So, it's bigger than I look when you >> So, it's bigger than I look when you show when you sent me the picture. I show when you sent me the picture. I show when you sent me the picture. I just thought it was a little thing. just thought it was a little thing. just thought it was a little thing. >> No, no, no. It was big. It was huge. And >> No, no, no. It was big. It was huge. And >> No, no, no. It was big. It was huge. And it was like a huge Windows phone it was like a huge Windows phone it was like a huge Windows phone astronaut with a flag. I love Windows astronaut with a flag. I love Windows astronaut with a flag. I love Windows phone thing from like the mid I don't phone thing from like the mid I don't phone thing from like the mid I don't 2014 2013. 2014 2013. 2014 2013. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> But they had they had commissioned this >> But they had they had commissioned this >> But they had they had commissioned this thing Microsoft. So, he he's done a lot thing Microsoft. So, he he's done a lot thing Microsoft. So, he he's done a lot of Microsoft stuff. So, he had this of Microsoft stuff. So, he had this of Microsoft stuff. So, he had this thing and I'm like, "What is this?" And thing and I'm like, "What is this?" And thing and I'm like, "What is this?" And like, "Yeah, there it is." And uh it was like, "Yeah, there it is." And uh it was like, "Yeah, there it is." And uh it was this huge thing and they they made tiny this huge thing and they they made tiny this huge thing and they they made tiny versions of that to give out to the team versions of that to give out to the team versions of that to give out to the team as like ship gifts.

as like ship gifts. as like ship gifts. >> That's like >> That's like >> That's like Yeah. So, he told me actually the uh Yeah. So, he told me actually the uh Yeah. So, he told me actually the uh manufacturer was the same folks that did manufacturer was the same folks that did manufacturer was the same folks that did the MTV statue. the MTV statue. the MTV statue. >> In order to save money, they didn't they >> In order to save money, they didn't they >> In order to save money, they didn't they didn't want to do a whole new cast didn't want to do a whole new cast didn't want to do a whole new cast >> for the astronaut. So, they just reused >> for the astronaut. So, they just reused >> for the astronaut. So, they just reused the astronaut guy from MTV. the astronaut guy from MTV. the astronaut guy from MTV. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Put the flag there. But it was really >> Put the flag there. But it was really >> Put the flag there. But it was really >> cool that you stumbled upon that. >> cool that you stumbled upon that. >> cool that you stumbled upon that. >> I know. I was like, "What is this >> I know. I was like, "What is this >> I know. I was like, "What is this thing?" Of course, he didn't want to thing?" Of course, he didn't want to thing?" Of course, he didn't want to sell it. sell it. sell it. >> And then he wouldn't sell it to you. >> And then he wouldn't sell it to you. >> And then he wouldn't sell it to you. >> No. No. >> No. No. >> No. No. >> At any Joe Fiori responded on my >> At any Joe Fiori responded on my >> At any Joe Fiori responded on my LinkedIn. He's like, "Where can I get LinkedIn. He's like, "Where can I get LinkedIn. He's like, "Where can I get it?" I'm like, "Okay, you can make him it?" I'm like, "Okay, you can make him it?" I'm like, "Okay, you can make him an offer. an offer. an offer. >> Joe will make him an offer. Joe can make >> Joe will make him an offer. Joe can make >> Joe will make him an offer. Joe can make him an offer. I'm sure." him an offer. I'm sure." him an offer. I'm sure." >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> Yeah. Joe has the wherewithal to make >> Yeah. Joe has the wherewithal to make >> Yeah. Joe has the wherewithal to make that. that. that. >> Yeah. But it was uh it deserved to be >> Yeah. But it was uh it deserved to be >> Yeah. But it was uh it deserved to be somewhere of prominence. But it was somewhere of prominence. But it was somewhere of prominence. But it was interesting to kind of run across that interesting to kind of run across that interesting to kind of run across that thing, too. Speaking of history, back in thing, too. Speaking of history, back in thing, too. Speaking of history, back in the day. Oh, 10 years ago. 10 a little the day. Oh, 10 years ago. 10 a little the day. Oh, 10 years ago. 10 a little more than 10 years ago. That's where we more than 10 years ago. That's where we more than 10 years ago. That's where we were at, right? were at, right? were at, right? >> Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. >> That's all that's almost like having >> That's all that's almost like having >> That's all that's almost like having Windows phone coffee talk. Windows phone coffee talk. Windows phone coffee talk. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Would that still be a thing listen to?

>> Would that still be a thing listen to? >> Would that still be a thing listen to? >> Well, I have a good idea. I'm glad that >> Well, I have a good idea. I'm glad that >> Well, I have a good idea. I'm glad that we just didn't call ourselves the we just didn't call ourselves the we just didn't call ourselves the metaverse of everything coffee talk. metaverse of everything coffee talk. metaverse of everything coffee talk. >> Ouch. Yeah. >> Ouch. Yeah. >> Ouch. Yeah. >> And I would not have aged well. >> And I would not have aged well. >> And I would not have aged well. >> Not have aged well. Um, the other thing >> Not have aged well. Um, the other thing >> Not have aged well. Um, the other thing I thought was interesting, Mr. Dickens I thought was interesting, Mr. Dickens I thought was interesting, Mr. Dickens posted about he posted like a a link to posted about he posted like a a link to posted about he posted like a a link to Wikipedia definition of industry analyst Wikipedia definition of industry analyst Wikipedia definition of industry analyst >> and asking people >> um wow you're having a lot of trouble >> um wow you're having a lot of trouble dude dude dude >> got a little audio cut out >> got a little audio cut out >> got a little audio cut out >> anyways while he's trying to figure out >> anyways while he's trying to figure out >> anyways while he's trying to figure out his audio. Uh hey everyone welcome to his audio. Uh hey everyone welcome to his audio. Uh hey everyone welcome to IoT Coffee Talk. Thanks for listening to IoT Coffee Talk. Thanks for listening to IoT Coffee Talk. Thanks for listening to us for 6 years. If you are one of those us for 6 years. If you are one of those us for 6 years. If you are one of those two or three people who have, we really two or three people who have, we really two or three people who have, we really appreciate it. And remember to take us appreciate it. And remember to take us appreciate it. And remember to take us seriously at your own risk. And if you seriously at your own risk. And if you seriously at your own risk. And if you need to take out insurance because we need to take out insurance because we need to take out insurance because we can be quite dangerous. And uh remember can be quite dangerous. And uh remember can be quite dangerous. And uh remember next year we're going to go full in on next year we're going to go full in on next year we're going to go full in on Elevate Communities. And the purpose of Elevate Communities. And the purpose of Elevate Communities. And the purpose of this uh charity which we've revamped this uh charity which we've revamped this uh charity which we've revamped from elevate our kids is to focus on uh from elevate our kids is to focus on uh from elevate our kids is to focus on uh communities in need who want to leverage communities in need who want to leverage communities in need who want to leverage technologies to make their communities technologies to make their communities technologies to make their communities more resilient uh prepared and uh able more resilient uh prepared and uh able more resilient uh prepared and uh able to deal with a growing number of uh to deal with a growing number of uh to deal with a growing number of uh natural disasters that are happening all natural disasters that are happening all natural disasters that are happening all over the world um due to XYZ. I don't over the world um due to XYZ. I don't over the world um due to XYZ. I don't know. But yeah, flooding going up. Could know. But yeah, flooding going up. Could know. But yeah, flooding going up. Could be fires, be fires, be fires, >> flooding, blah blah blah. A lot of

>> flooding, blah blah blah. A lot of >> flooding, blah blah blah. A lot of terrible stuff. We see all the time, terrible stuff. We see all the time, terrible stuff. We see all the time, right? And there's lives that can be right? And there's lives that can be right? And there's lives that can be saved. saved. saved. >> We just get that >> We just get that >> We just get that >> IoT stuff out there. We're going to look >> IoT stuff out there. We're going to look >> IoT stuff out there. We're going to look to collaborate with um all of you guys to collaborate with um all of you guys to collaborate with um all of you guys out there that are talking uh about IoT out there that are talking uh about IoT out there that are talking uh about IoT still and listen to the show. And we're still and listen to the show. And we're still and listen to the show. And we're going to try to um going to try to um going to try to um >> physical AI. >> physical AI. >> physical AI. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> That's what we call IoT now. >> That's what we call IoT now. >> That's what we call IoT now. >> Oh, physical AIoT. >> Oh, physical AIoT. >> Oh, physical AIoT. >> Physical AI. Yeah. [laughter] >> Physical AI. Yeah. [laughter] >> Physical AI. Yeah. [laughter] >> Love it. >> Love it. >> Love it. >> Enjoy the show and uh hope you had a >> Enjoy the show and uh hope you had a >> Enjoy the show and uh hope you had a great Christmas and Hanukkah and great Christmas and Hanukkah and great Christmas and Hanukkah and everything else. everything else. everything else. >> All those sorts of things >> All those sorts of things >> All those sorts of things >> celebrate during >> celebrate during >> celebrate during >> festivus is still there. >> festivus is still there. >> festivus is still there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Quanza. Yeah. Yeah. Got to represent, >> Quanza. Yeah. Yeah. Got to represent, >> Quanza. Yeah. Yeah. Got to represent, right? represent. right? represent. right? represent. >> So Rob, you were mentioning industry >> So Rob, you were mentioning industry >> So Rob, you were mentioning industry analyst. I hope they weren't trying to analyst. I hope they weren't trying to analyst. I hope they weren't trying to say industry analyst and industry say industry analyst and industry say industry analyst and industry therapist and combining. therapist and combining. therapist and combining. >> Well, yeah. You know, so here I'll read >> Well, yeah. You know, so here I'll read >> Well, yeah. You know, so here I'll read the short definition and it goes into the short definition and it goes into the short definition and it goes into great detail, but Marbel, all kinds of great detail, but Marbel, all kinds of great detail, but Marbel, all kinds of our friends have already hopped in.

our friends have already hopped in. our friends have already hopped in. They're going some people, yeah, I've They're going some people, yeah, I've They're going some people, yeah, I've been an analyst forever and this is been an analyst forever and this is been an analyst forever and this is right. Other people are like, no, you right. Other people are like, no, you right. Other people are like, no, you know, and then the Gartner person said, know, and then the Gartner person said, know, and then the Gartner person said, this is how Gartner thinks of it. So an this is how Gartner thinks of it. So an this is how Gartner thinks of it. So an industry analyst performs primary and industry analyst performs primary and industry analyst performs primary and secondary market research within an secondary market research within an secondary market research within an industry such as information technology industry such as information technology industry such as information technology consulting or insurance. consulting or insurance. consulting or insurance. Uh analysts assess sector trends, create Uh analysts assess sector trends, create Uh analysts assess sector trends, create segment taxonomies, size markets, segment taxonomies, size markets, segment taxonomies, size markets, prepare forecasts, and develop industry prepare forecasts, and develop industry prepare forecasts, and develop industry models. Industry analysts usually work models. Industry analysts usually work models. Industry analysts usually work for research and advisory service firms for research and advisory service firms for research and advisory service firms and some analysts also perform advisory and some analysts also perform advisory and some analysts also perform advisory consulting services. Typically analysts consulting services. Typically analysts consulting services. Typically analysts specialize in a single segment or specialize in a single segment or specialize in a single segment or subsegment researching the broad subsegment researching the broad subsegment researching the broad development of the market rather than development of the market rather than development of the market rather than focusing on specific publicly traded focusing on specific publicly traded focusing on specific publicly traded companies, equities, investments or companies, equities, investments or companies, equities, investments or associated financial opportunities blah associated financial opportunities blah associated financial opportunities blah blah blah blah. M um you know and it blah blah blah. M um you know and it blah blah blah. M um you know and it talks it goes into great detail you know talks it goes into great detail you know talks it goes into great detail you know >> they go to conferences they do blah blah >> they go to conferences they do blah blah >> they go to conferences they do blah blah blah they have roundts they write blah they have roundts they write blah they have roundts they write reports >> you know I I yeah but I agree they >> you know I I yeah but I agree they shouldn't be talking about the stock shouldn't be talking about the stock shouldn't be talking about the stock market and the price pricing of stocks market and the price pricing of stocks market and the price pricing of stocks valuation but a lot of them do right valuation but a lot of them do right valuation but a lot of them do right they show up on CNBC start talking about they show up on CNBC start talking about they show up on CNBC start talking about hey you know um we think that there's hey you know um we think that there's hey you know um we think that there's more whatever upside to this stock and more whatever upside to this stock and more whatever upside to this stock and blah blah blah and they put their blah blah blah and they put their blah blah blah and they put their forecasts out and forecasts out and forecasts out and >> they're wrong. [laughter]

>> they're wrong. [laughter] >> they're wrong. [laughter] they shouldn't be making those they shouldn't be making those they shouldn't be making those statements especially given that um you statements especially given that um you statements especially given that um you know for the market research for the AR know for the market research for the AR know for the market research for the AR stuff um they're provided uh they're stuff um they're provided uh they're stuff um they're provided uh they're provided NDA material right stuff that provided NDA material right stuff that provided NDA material right stuff that you should not be putting out there you should not be putting out there you should not be putting out there >> you know >> you know >> you know >> I mean no doubt we >> I mean no doubt we >> I mean no doubt we >> we obviously you're right there are >> we obviously you're right there are >> we obviously you're right there are folks who are making sure they're on all folks who are making sure they're on all folks who are making sure they're on all the business channels doing stock stuff the business channels doing stock stuff the business channels doing stock stuff Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And I guess it's some kind of marketing >> And I guess it's some kind of marketing >> And I guess it's some kind of marketing for their own. I don't know. for their own. I don't know. for their own. I don't know. >> Make up your mind. Are you They're >> Make up your mind. Are you They're >> Make up your mind. Are you They're brought on to explain the explain the brought on to explain the explain the brought on to explain the explain the tech maybe or explain the market. tech maybe or explain the market. tech maybe or explain the market. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, >> Yeah. Yeah. So, >> Yeah. Yeah. So, >> you know, it's not necessarily a bad >> you know, it's not necessarily a bad >> you know, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Like, thing. Like, thing. Like, >> it's not necessarily a bad thing. I >> it's not necessarily a bad thing. I >> it's not necessarily a bad thing. I agree. I you know, so it's interesting. agree. I you know, so it's interesting. agree. I you know, so it's interesting. We get some I get some there's some in We get some I get some there's some in We get some I get some there's some in the you know how you go Wikipedia anyway the you know how you go Wikipedia anyway the you know how you go Wikipedia anyway there's a deal called evolution of there's a deal called evolution of there's a deal called evolution of analyst relations and we actually have analyst relations and we actually have analyst relations and we actually have some friends of ours named in here which some friends of ours named in here which some friends of ours named in here which also lets you know how you can go in and also lets you know how you can go in and also lets you know how you can go in and update Wikipedia. M so while firms like update Wikipedia. M so while firms like update Wikipedia. M so while firms like Gardner IDC and Forester have been the Gardner IDC and Forester have been the Gardner IDC and Forester have been the stalwarts of analyst relations land stalwarts of analyst relations land stalwarts of analyst relations land landscape over the last several decades landscape over the last several decades landscape over the last several decades more recently the focus of many analyst more recently the focus of many analyst more recently the focus of many analyst relations teams has changed to also relations teams has changed to also relations teams has changed to also include a focus on independent and include a focus on independent and include a focus on independent and boutique analyst firms. Many independent boutique analyst firms. Many independent boutique analyst firms. Many independent analysts on the circuit such as the analysts on the circuit such as the analysts on the circuit such as the likes of Bob O'Donnell and Mbel Lopez likes of Bob O'Donnell and Mbel Lopez likes of Bob O'Donnell and Mbel Lopez are formerly from big firms but have are formerly from big firms but have are formerly from big firms but have gone out on their own over the last gone out on their own over the last gone out on their own over the last decade. I'm going to add Leonard Lee decade. I'm going to add Leonard Lee decade. I'm going to add Leonard Lee into this one. We're going to have an

into this one. We're going to have an into this one. We're going to have an updated updated updated >> Leonard sometime. I know so many people. >> Leonard sometime. I know so many people. >> Leonard sometime. I know so many people. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. >> Prominent [snorts] players in the >> Prominent [snorts] players in the >> Prominent [snorts] players in the leading this trend include firms such as leading this trend include firms such as leading this trend include firms such as more insights and strategy, the Futurum more insights and strategy, the Futurum more insights and strategy, the Futurum Group. Group. Group. >> Oh my god. Constellation Research. >> Oh my god. Constellation Research. >> Oh my god. Constellation Research. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Ray Wong. Um, oh, and more recently, >> Ray Wong. Um, oh, and more recently, >> Ray Wong. Um, oh, and more recently, Hyperframe Research. Obviously, Steven Hyperframe Research. Obviously, Steven Hyperframe Research. Obviously, Steven Dickens has gotten in here and updated Dickens has gotten in here and updated Dickens has gotten in here and updated it. it. it. >> U, these firms often led by charismatic >> U, these firms often led by charismatic >> U, these firms often led by charismatic and impactful lead analysts and impactful lead analysts and impactful lead analysts >> bring a mix of cross technology, domain >> bring a mix of cross technology, domain >> bring a mix of cross technology, domain coverage, social reach, and different coverage, social reach, and different coverage, social reach, and different engagement models that resonate with engagement models that resonate with engagement models that resonate with vendors looking to keep their AR vendors looking to keep their AR vendors looking to keep their AR programs fresh and in line with changing programs fresh and in line with changing programs fresh and in line with changing buying behaviors. buying behaviors. buying behaviors. Uh yeah, I that that Uh yeah, I that that Uh yeah, I that that sounds like a marketing blurb. That's sounds like a marketing blurb. That's sounds like a marketing blurb. That's like like like >> but but I think it kind of nails it. The >> but but I think it kind of nails it. The >> but but I think it kind of nails it. The lead analysts for those firms are lead analysts for those firms are lead analysts for those firms are charismatic. They're it's all about charismatic. They're it's all about charismatic. They're it's all about marketing. marketing. marketing. >> Charismatic.

>> Charismatic. >> Charismatic. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Like the leader of a new culture, a >> Like the leader of a new culture, a >> Like the leader of a new culture, a church or something. church or something. church or something. >> You have [clears throat] to go to the >> You have [clears throat] to go to the >> You have [clears throat] to go to the very top. You know, you don't talk about very top. You know, you don't talk about very top. You know, you don't talk about stock price. You don't I mean there's stock price. You don't I mean there's stock price. You don't I mean there's like a certain type of firewall between like a certain type of firewall between like a certain type of firewall between industry analysts and then the research industry analysts and then the research industry analysts and then the research groups um that you know um Wall Street groups um that you know um Wall Street groups um that you know um Wall Street has right I mean there's a divide I mean has right I mean there's a divide I mean has right I mean there's a divide I mean you know industry analysts will talk to you know industry analysts will talk to you know industry analysts will talk to investors investors investors >> right because they will they will want >> right because they will they will want >> right because they will they will want to know from industry firms like to know from industry firms like to know from industry firms like industry research firms well what what industry research firms well what what industry research firms well what what is this market because a lot of the new is this market because a lot of the new is this market because a lot of the new analysts that come in that might be analysts that come in that might be analysts that come in that might be covering a sector or a company. They covering a sector or a company. They covering a sector or a company. They don't know anything about the sector or don't know anything about the sector or don't know anything about the sector or the companies that are in play. So they the companies that are in play. So they the companies that are in play. So they will leverage industry analysts to gain will leverage industry analysts to gain will leverage industry analysts to gain a better understanding of all the a better understanding of all the a better understanding of all the players, the competitive dynamic, uh the players, the competitive dynamic, uh the players, the competitive dynamic, uh the market size, market trends. And so market size, market trends. And so market size, market trends. And so that's what uh that's what the that's what uh that's what the that's what uh that's what the difference is between an industry difference is between an industry difference is between an industry analyst and a Wall Street analyst. Wall analyst and a Wall Street analyst. Wall analyst and a Wall Street analyst. Wall Street analysts will create financial Street analysts will create financial Street analysts will create financial models for companies and then they'll models for companies and then they'll models for companies and then they'll put a forecast out there and then their put a forecast out there and then their put a forecast out there and then their recommendations, right? Industry recommendations, right? Industry recommendations, right? Industry analysts don't do that. But then we have analysts don't do that. But then we have analysts don't do that. But then we have these guys who go on TV, pretend they these guys who go on TV, pretend they these guys who go on TV, pretend they are Wall Street analysts. Most Wall are Wall Street analysts. Most Wall are Wall Street analysts. Most Wall Street analysts have a CFA, right? Which Street analysts have a CFA, right? Which Street analysts have a CFA, right? Which is not a trivial thing to get, is not a trivial thing to get, is not a trivial thing to get, >> right? A and these guys have to go

>> right? A and these guys have to go >> right? A and these guys have to go through four levels to get that CFA. through four levels to get that CFA. through four levels to get that CFA. They are trained in what it takes to be They are trained in what it takes to be They are trained in what it takes to be a Wall Street analyst. But then of a Wall Street analyst. But then of a Wall Street analyst. But then of course that doesn't mean that they know course that doesn't mean that they know course that doesn't mean that they know uh the domain that they're covering, uh the domain that they're covering, uh the domain that they're covering, right? And that's something that you right? And that's something that you right? And that's something that you know they'll they'll ramp up on and then know they'll they'll ramp up on and then know they'll they'll ramp up on and then eventually uh you know when they become eventually uh you know when they become eventually uh you know when they become senior analysts like what's his name? senior analysts like what's his name? senior analysts like what's his name? Stacy B whatever [clears throat] his Stacy B whatever [clears throat] his Stacy B whatever [clears throat] his name is. He's the one of the analysts in name is. He's the one of the analysts in name is. He's the one of the analysts in semiconductor. semiconductor. semiconductor. The guy's a very mature analyst, right? The guy's a very mature analyst, right? The guy's a very mature analyst, right? He um he knows a lot. He um he knows a lot. He um he knows a lot. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's very seasoned. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's very seasoned. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's very seasoned. Um but then, you know, you have a lot of Um but then, you know, you have a lot of Um but then, you know, you have a lot of junior ones and then um smaller research junior ones and then um smaller research junior ones and then um smaller research houses, Wall Street research houses that houses, Wall Street research houses that houses, Wall Street research houses that are trying to incubate that next are trying to incubate that next are trying to incubate that next generation of analysts. [clears throat] generation of analysts. [clears throat] generation of analysts. [clears throat] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, right now I'm going to pretend >> Yeah. So, right now I'm going to pretend >> Yeah. So, right now I'm going to pretend that I'm one of those analysts on CNBC that I'm one of those analysts on CNBC that I'm one of those analysts on CNBC or whatever. And I also make sure this or whatever. And I also make sure this or whatever. And I also make sure this is entertainment purposes only. Don't is entertainment purposes only. Don't is entertainment purposes only. Don't take our advice. This is not stock take our advice. This is not stock take our advice. This is not stock information. But like for instance, information. But like for instance, information. But like for instance, >> purposes only. Yes.

>> purposes only. Yes. >> purposes only. Yes. >> Yeah. But there's things that certain >> Yeah. But there's things that certain >> Yeah. But there's things that certain individuals know about cuz maybe they individuals know about cuz maybe they individuals know about cuz maybe they have the pulse on certain sectors that have the pulse on certain sectors that have the pulse on certain sectors that the masses of people have no idea about. the masses of people have no idea about. the masses of people have no idea about. And I'm going to give you an example. If And I'm going to give you an example. If And I'm going to give you an example. If I was like on CNBC this morning, I'd I was like on CNBC this morning, I'd I was like on CNBC this morning, I'd say, "Oh, did you no Novo Nordisk just say, "Oh, did you no Novo Nordisk just say, "Oh, did you no Novo Nordisk just got approval for their pill version of got approval for their pill version of got approval for their pill version of Kovi or whatever it is uh for the weight Kovi or whatever it is uh for the weight Kovi or whatever it is uh for the weight loss thing. Therefore, I think their loss thing. Therefore, I think their loss thing. Therefore, I think their stock is going to pop by 50%. stock is going to pop by 50%. stock is going to pop by 50%. That's kind of the stuff that you would That's kind of the stuff that you would That's kind of the stuff that you would expect or you would hear." And that expect or you would hear." And that expect or you would hear." And that might be true, but it might not be true. might be true, but it might not be true. might be true, but it might not be true. I don't know. I think now that people I don't know. I think now that people I don't know. I think now that people can pop those pills instead of having a can pop those pills instead of having a can pop those pills instead of having a shot in their stomach, you know, it shot in their stomach, you know, it shot in their stomach, you know, it might boost their stock price. I don't might boost their stock price. I don't might boost their stock price. I don't know. That's the kind of stuff, you know. That's the kind of stuff, you know. That's the kind of stuff, you know. Obviously, most of the analyst know. Obviously, most of the analyst know. Obviously, most of the analyst friends that we know who, and I know you friends that we know who, and I know you friends that we know who, and I know you think, Leonard, that they're paying to think, Leonard, that they're paying to think, Leonard, that they're paying to be on Fox Business or CNBC, I don't be on Fox Business or CNBC, I don't be on Fox Business or CNBC, I don't know. know. know. >> Oh, no. Yeah. >> Oh, no. Yeah. >> Oh, no. Yeah. >> I don't know. Some of them are flying to >> I don't know. Some of them are flying to >> I don't know. Some of them are flying to New York to be on these shows in person New York to be on these shows in person New York to be on these shows in person or New Jersey. Um but but then others or New Jersey. Um but but then others or New Jersey. Um but but then others like like like I've see Ray Wong on all like like like I've see Ray Wong on all like like like I've see Ray Wong on all the shows, but a lot of times he might the shows, but a lot of times he might the shows, but a lot of times he might be just remote in in the valley. Um but be just remote in in the valley. Um but be just remote in in the valley. Um but others [clears throat] are making sure others [clears throat] are making sure others [clears throat] are making sure they fly to New York and they're on the they fly to New York and they're on the they fly to New York and they're on the side.

side. side. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then I I think that's >> Yeah. Yeah. And then I I think that's >> Yeah. Yeah. And then I I think that's where um the AR teams have you know well where um the AR teams have you know well where um the AR teams have you know well that that's where P uh AI IR invest that that's where P uh AI IR invest that that's where P uh AI IR invest investor [clears throat] relations investor [clears throat] relations investor [clears throat] relations >> is being co-mingled with AR and that >> is being co-mingled with AR and that >> is being co-mingled with AR and that really shouldn't be happening right really shouldn't be happening right really shouldn't be happening right you're with IR or you're with AR but you're with IR or you're with AR but you're with IR or you're with AR but then they're trying to create a gray then they're trying to create a gray then they're trying to create a gray area or a gray area is forming but that area or a gray area is forming but that area or a gray area is forming but that gray area is problematic, right? There's gray area is problematic, right? There's gray area is problematic, right? There's a reason why you have IR and AR. They're a reason why you have IR and AR. They're a reason why you have IR and AR. They're not the same thing. And industry, you not the same thing. And industry, you not the same thing. And industry, you know, then you can have a lot of insider know, then you can have a lot of insider know, then you can have a lot of insider stuff happening. stuff happening. stuff happening. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that's why that separation and I >> And that's why that separation and I >> And that's why that separation and I think more and more AR teams are think more and more AR teams are think more and more AR teams are starting to realize that because there starting to realize that because there starting to realize that because there is a conflict of interest, right? Um, is a conflict of interest, right? Um, is a conflict of interest, right? Um, like for instance, I don't hold stock of like for instance, I don't hold stock of like for instance, I don't hold stock of any of the tech companies that I cover.

any of the tech companies that I cover. any of the tech companies that I cover. Um, you know, uh, that's part of being Um, you know, uh, that's part of being Um, you know, uh, that's part of being independent, right? And if you don't independent, right? And if you don't independent, right? And if you don't like, so when I was at PWC, you know, in like, so when I was at PWC, you know, in like, so when I was at PWC, you know, in consulting, especially with the consulting, especially with the consulting, especially with the consulting firms that had an auditing consulting firms that had an auditing consulting firms that had an auditing arm, we couldn't own any of the stocks arm, we couldn't own any of the stocks arm, we couldn't own any of the stocks of companies that we advised cuz we had of companies that we advised cuz we had of companies that we advised cuz we had inside information, right? So inside information, right? So inside information, right? So >> just like just like Anderson didn't have >> just like just like Anderson didn't have >> just like just like Anderson didn't have anything with Enron. [laughter] >> Well, see that's why you you want your >> Well, see that's why you you want your practitioners to be independent, right? practitioners to be independent, right? practitioners to be independent, right? So that they're giving the customers So that they're giving the customers So that they're giving the customers independent advice. The work that independent advice. The work that independent advice. The work that they're doing is unbiased and unaffected they're doing is unbiased and unaffected they're doing is unbiased and unaffected uh often times by the customer as well uh often times by the customer as well uh often times by the customer as well or the client. So, uh, there's a reason or the client. So, uh, there's a reason or the client. So, uh, there's a reason for that and, um, you know, you're for that and, um, you know, you're for that and, um, you know, you're you're required to have disclaimers and you're required to have disclaimers and you're required to have disclaimers and stuff like that, but then you go around stuff like that, but then you go around stuff like that, but then you go around quoting stock prices and price targets. quoting stock prices and price targets. quoting stock prices and price targets. It's like, whoa, wait a minute, guys.

It's like, whoa, wait a minute, guys. It's like, whoa, wait a minute, guys. What are you going to be? What are you going to be? What are you going to be? >> So, if you're doing that, you should be >> So, if you're doing that, you should be >> So, if you're doing that, you should be kicked out of the AR program and you're kicked out of the AR program and you're kicked out of the AR program and you're now you're stuck in IR. now you're stuck in IR. now you're stuck in IR. >> Yeah. talking to investors in Wall >> Yeah. talking to investors in Wall >> Yeah. talking to investors in Wall Street, right? Talking to the Street, right? Talking to the Street, right? Talking to the >> uh invest, you know, the guys that show >> uh invest, you know, the guys that show >> uh invest, you know, the guys that show up who are part are the investment house up who are part are the investment house up who are part are the investment house uh analysts who are research analysts uh analysts who are research analysts uh analysts who are research analysts who who do their job is to talk about p who who do their job is to talk about p who who do their job is to talk about p um you know recommendations and targets um you know recommendations and targets um you know recommendations and targets and all that stuff and creating the and all that stuff and creating the and all that stuff and creating the financial models. Um so anyway, financial models. Um so anyway, financial models. Um so anyway, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> there you go. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> This at the end of the year it's such a >> This at the end of the year it's such a >> This at the end of the year it's such a >> Yes. Okay, actually I'm going to dive in >> Yes. Okay, actually I'm going to dive in >> Yes. Okay, actually I'm going to dive in a little deeper here. There's a section a little deeper here. There's a section a little deeper here. There's a section on roles and deliverables. on roles and deliverables. on roles and deliverables. Industry analysts provide a combination Industry analysts provide a combination Industry analysts provide a combination of syndicated, of syndicated, of syndicated, no syndicated, no syndicated, no syndicated, and client sponsored bespoke market and client sponsored bespoke market and client sponsored bespoke market research, competitive intelligence, and research, competitive intelligence, and research, competitive intelligence, and management consulting services. management consulting services. management consulting services. Deliverables may take the forms can be Deliverables may take the forms can be Deliverables may take the forms can be grouped as follows: publications like grouped as follows: publications like grouped as follows: publications like research reports, white papers, research research reports, white papers, research research reports, white papers, research notes, and newsletters. advisory notes, and newsletters. advisory notes, and newsletters. advisory services that include inquiries, services that include inquiries, services that include inquiries, briefings, consulting projects, study briefings, consulting projects, study briefings, consulting projects, study findings, presentations, or bespoke findings, presentations, or bespoke findings, presentations, or bespoke speaking engagements like for instance speaking engagements like for instance speaking engagements like for instance at an internal client meeting or at an internal client meeting or at an internal client meeting or industry events.

industry events. industry events. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Events such as conferences, seminars, >> Events such as conferences, seminars, >> Events such as conferences, seminars, roundts, market analysts such as uh such roundts, market analysts such as uh such roundts, market analysts such as uh such as quantitative market trends and as quantitative market trends and as quantitative market trends and forecasts and market shares, blah blah forecasts and market shares, blah blah forecasts and market shares, blah blah blah. amplification and market blah. amplification and market blah. amplification and market commentary through new media formats commentary through new media formats commentary through new media formats such as podcasts and webinars. such as podcasts and webinars. such as podcasts and webinars. >> Analyst firms serve a management >> Analyst firms serve a management >> Analyst firms serve a management decision support function at decision support function at decision support function at corporations and public service corporations and public service corporations and public service organizations for the vendors, organizations for the vendors, organizations for the vendors, regulators, and investors. You know, regulators, and investors. You know, regulators, and investors. You know, like when I'm all jaded and say, "Wow, I like when I'm all jaded and say, "Wow, I like when I'm all jaded and say, "Wow, I think we might just be an extension of think we might just be an extension of think we might just be an extension of the marketing department of this tech the marketing department of this tech the marketing department of this tech company." you know, um because when they company." you know, um because when they company." you know, um because when they say their marketing pitch, people may say their marketing pitch, people may say their marketing pitch, people may not believe them because they're saying not believe them because they're saying not believe them because they're saying it, but if you say it, it, but if you say it, it, but if you say it, >> analyst person, then all of a sudden it >> analyst person, then all of a sudden it >> analyst person, then all of a sudden it has credibility. And I'll believe this has credibility. And I'll believe this has credibility. And I'll believe this third party, but I won't believe you. third party, but I won't believe you. third party, but I won't believe you. >> Well, yeah. And it all depends because >> Well, yeah. And it all depends because >> Well, yeah. And it all depends because there's a lot of folks who also just there's a lot of folks who also just there's a lot of folks who also just take a press release and then they take a press release and then they take a press release and then they regurgitate it with a couple commentary regurgitate it with a couple commentary regurgitate it with a couple commentary and then they just publish it and say, and then they just publish it and say, and then they just publish it and say, "This is the greatest company in the "This is the greatest company in the "This is the greatest company in the world." That's that's not I mean again I world." That's that's not I mean again I world." That's that's not I mean again I think that's where the quality and the think that's where the quality and the think that's where the quality and the purpose matters in in what you do. And purpose matters in in what you do. And purpose matters in in what you do. And so there are folks who are known of just so there are folks who are known of just so there are folks who are known of just like [clears throat] you know flipping like [clears throat] you know flipping like [clears throat] you know flipping around a press release and just being a around a press release and just being a around a press release and just being a voice piece for the marketing team. But voice piece for the marketing team. But voice piece for the marketing team. But then there's others who don't do that then there's others who don't do that then there's others who don't do that and I include myself in that company.

and I include myself in that company. and I include myself in that company. David Lynnum I include him in that um David Lynnum I include him in that um David Lynnum I include him in that um that company um who don't do that. um that company um who don't do that. um that company um who don't do that. um they speak, they have their own voice, they speak, they have their own voice, they speak, they have their own voice, right? And they don't just they're not right? And they don't just they're not right? And they don't just they're not just going um along with the everyone just going um along with the everyone just going um along with the everyone else's uh generic interpretation of else's uh generic interpretation of else's uh generic interpretation of stuff. Um there there's a critical stuff. Um there there's a critical stuff. Um there there's a critical element of thinking that you're applying element of thinking that you're applying element of thinking that you're applying and um you know that that makes a and um you know that that makes a and um you know that that makes a difference because that's what drives difference because that's what drives difference because that's what drives the consulting aspect of your business the consulting aspect of your business the consulting aspect of your business or the advisory part, right? or the advisory part, right? or the advisory part, right? Don't do that. Then no one no one ever Don't do that. Then no one no one ever Don't do that. Then no one no one ever calls you for your advice. They just calls you for your advice. They just calls you for your advice. They just want to call you for uh let's say your want to call you for uh let's say your want to call you for uh let's say your you know 50,000 um you know fake fake u you know 50,000 um you know fake fake u you know 50,000 um you know fake fake u fake followers. fake followers. fake followers. >> Yeah. Which is a big problem too, right? >> Yeah. Which is a big problem too, right? >> Yeah. Which is a big problem too, right? Because right now also there's this big Because right now also there's this big Because right now also there's this big debate about who actually has an a real debate about who actually has an a real debate about who actually has an a real audience or is it all bot, right? audience or is it all bot, right? audience or is it all bot, right? because there's so much fake engagement, because there's so much fake engagement, because there's so much fake engagement, fake everything out there, it's really fake everything out there, it's really fake everything out there, it's really difficult uh for anyone to really um difficult uh for anyone to really um difficult uh for anyone to really um have an idea of what someone's influence have an idea of what someone's influence have an idea of what someone's influence really is, right? You their name has to really is, right? You their name has to really is, right? You their name has to come up and it's literally like what we come up and it's literally like what we come up and it's literally like what we do and what IDC does more than Gartner do and what IDC does more than Gartner do and what IDC does more than Gartner is try to be present. you try to be out is try to be present. you try to be out is try to be present. you try to be out there and um have your voice there and um have your voice there and um have your voice [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] uh be part of the conversation. Um you

uh be part of the conversation. Um you uh be part of the conversation. Um you know, like with Gartner, a lot of the know, like with Gartner, a lot of the know, like with Gartner, a lot of the analysts actually aren't that well known analysts actually aren't that well known analysts actually aren't that well known um um um >> because they're they're usually speaking >> because they're they're usually speaking >> because they're they're usually speaking internally within uh Gartner um you internally within uh Gartner um you internally within uh Gartner um you know, events, but that's powerful, know, events, but that's powerful, know, events, but that's powerful, right? A lot of people discount that be. right? A lot of people discount that be. right? A lot of people discount that be. Um, one thing that Gartner does really Um, one thing that Gartner does really Um, one thing that Gartner does really well is, you know, the event stuff and well is, you know, the event stuff and well is, you know, the event stuff and they cater to what I would I would say they cater to what I would I would say they cater to what I would I would say are, let's say, the um the are, let's say, the um the are, let's say, the um the technical leaders and the business technical leaders and the business technical leaders and the business leaders that need coaching, right? So leaders that need coaching, right? So leaders that need coaching, right? So [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] >> if you're you're a you know your >> if you're you're a you know your >> if you're you're a you know your organization is highly mature in let's organization is highly mature in let's organization is highly mature in let's say you know IT operations and IT say you know IT operations and IT say you know IT operations and IT management management management you're really not going to get that much you're really not going to get that much you're really not going to get that much value out of Gartner right um you might value out of Gartner right um you might value out of Gartner right um you might actually be more in a position to coach actually be more in a position to coach actually be more in a position to coach a lot of the analyst right but that's a lot of the analyst right but that's a lot of the analyst right but that's not really where the market is the not really where the market is the not really where the market is the market I mean you know um tech maturity market I mean you know um tech maturity market I mean you know um tech maturity is generally pretty low and like you is generally pretty low and like you is generally pretty low and like you were saying before things change so were saying before things change so were saying before things change so quickly uh it's challenging for any quickly uh it's challenging for any quickly uh it's challenging for any organization or IT organization to to um organization or IT organization to to um organization or IT organization to to um be on top of things and so in that be on top of things and so in that be on top of things and so in that regard um you know the likes of Gartner regard um you know the likes of Gartner regard um you know the likes of Gartner and IDC and others are valuable right and IDC and others are valuable right and IDC and others are valuable right and I think that gets heavily discounted and I think that gets heavily discounted and I think that gets heavily discounted >> and I would they're way better than a

>> and I would they're way better than a >> and I would they're way better than a management consulting firm coming in and management consulting firm coming in and management consulting firm coming in and telling you how to do tech stuff you telling you how to do tech stuff you telling you how to do tech stuff you know what I'm saying and I I think know what I'm saying and I I think know what I'm saying and I I think that's what that's what that's what >> Gartner really banked on with a lot of >> Gartner really banked on with a lot of >> Gartner really banked on with a lot of the executive program stuff that they the executive program stuff that they the executive program stuff that they put together, you know. So, put together, you know. So, put together, you know. So, >> yeah. I mean, Gartner, I mean, you know >> yeah. I mean, Gartner, I mean, you know >> yeah. I mean, Gartner, I mean, you know better than us, they have dedicated better than us, they have dedicated better than us, they have dedicated positions. The people who that's all positions. The people who that's all positions. The people who that's all they're doing is advising executives they're doing is advising executives they're doing is advising executives directly. directly. directly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Executive >> Yeah. Executive >> Yeah. Executive >> and and and you're right, when we've >> and and and you're right, when we've >> and and and you're right, when we've been at events together, I rarely hardly been at events together, I rarely hardly been at events together, I rarely hardly see any Gartner people. see any Gartner people. see any Gartner people. >> It's like, oh my god, one Gartner >> It's like, oh my god, one Gartner >> It's like, oh my god, one Gartner person. And they'll usually throw a bone person. And they'll usually throw a bone person. And they'll usually throw a bone out to the gardener guy, [laughter] but out to the gardener guy, [laughter] but out to the gardener guy, [laughter] but like a AWS reinvent. It was like the r I like a AWS reinvent. It was like the r I like a AWS reinvent. It was like the r I don't know if they were randomly don't know if they were randomly don't know if they were randomly picking, but there were so many IDC picking, but there were so many IDC picking, but there were so many IDC people. Remember you and I were sitting people. Remember you and I were sitting people. Remember you and I were sitting next together and I was raising my hand. next together and I was raising my hand. next together and I was raising my hand. Um I think you raised your hand too, Um I think you raised your hand too, Um I think you raised your hand too, right? When I told you I right? When I told you I right? When I told you I picked over me, [laughter] >> but the >> but the >> It was It was kind of ridiculous how >> It was It was kind of ridiculous how >> It was It was kind of ridiculous how many IDC people were there. That was many IDC people were there. That was many IDC people were there. That was kind of kind of kind of >> freaking redonkulous. [laughter] >> freaking redonkulous. [laughter] >> freaking redonkulous. [laughter] >> Yeah, AWS did not hold back on their >> Yeah, AWS did not hold back on their >> Yeah, AWS did not hold back on their spending to fly what 200ish spending to fly what 200ish spending to fly what 200ish analysts from all over the world to analysts from all over the world to analysts from all over the world to Vegas.

Vegas. Vegas. >> That's a lot of money, but I guess >> That's a lot of money, but I guess >> That's a lot of money, but I guess Amazon's got a lot of money. So, they Amazon's got a lot of money. So, they Amazon's got a lot of money. So, they >> they had to tell their agentic story >> they had to tell their agentic story >> they had to tell their agentic story this year. So, um this year. So, um this year. So, um >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> they wanted to double down on it, I >> they wanted to double down on it, I >> they wanted to double down on it, I guess. But you know, their whole AR guess. But you know, their whole AR guess. But you know, their whole AR program has been revamped quite a bit. program has been revamped quite a bit. program has been revamped quite a bit. But But But >> yeah, and then you've got >> yeah, and then you've got >> yeah, and then you've got >> still a great great >> still a great great >> still a great great >> You [clears throat] got companies though >> You [clears throat] got companies though >> You [clears throat] got companies though that I think truly that I think truly that I think truly are really really want to hear the voice are really really want to hear the voice are really really want to hear the voice of all these analysts to help guide of all these analysts to help guide of all these analysts to help guide their own roadmap and that would be their own roadmap and that would be their own roadmap and that would be Lenovo. I feel like really really Lenovo. I feel like really really Lenovo. I feel like really really listens listens listens >> to the analysts to help guide their >> to the analysts to help guide their >> to the analysts to help guide their their path. their path. their path. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's the feeling I get >> Yeah. Yeah. That's the feeling I get >> Yeah. Yeah. That's the feeling I get from Lenovo. from Lenovo. from Lenovo. >> Yeah, their um their program was uh is >> Yeah, their um their program was uh is >> Yeah, their um their program was uh is great, you know. Um like last year great, you know. Um like last year great, you know. Um like last year comingling it with tech world was uh it comingling it with tech world was uh it comingling it with tech world was uh it diluted what the analysts do. But that's diluted what the analysts do. But that's diluted what the analysts do. But that's a great example, dude, of how we're not a great example, dude, of how we're not a great example, dude, of how we're not PR, we're not like journalists, we're PR, we're not like journalists, we're PR, we're not like journalists, we're not not not >> we're not um you know these other roles >> we're not um you know these other roles >> we're not um you know these other roles out there. We're not Wall Street. You out there. We're not Wall Street. You out there. We're not Wall Street. You didn't see any Wall Street analysts in didn't see any Wall Street analysts in didn't see any Wall Street analysts in these sessions. in the Wall Street these sessions. in the Wall Street these sessions. in the Wall Street analysts would have loved to have been analysts would have loved to have been analysts would have loved to have been in these sessions but in these sessions but in these sessions but >> oh yeah >> oh yeah >> oh yeah >> not allowed in there right um depending >> not allowed in there right um depending >> not allowed in there right um depending on the AR program again there's some on the AR program again there's some on the AR program again there's some that have you know become schizophrenic that have you know become schizophrenic that have you know become schizophrenic about this stuff but um you know um I about this stuff but um you know um I about this stuff but um you know um I don't [clears throat] don't [clears throat] don't [clears throat] anyway

>> I mean wow did you did you see the >> I mean wow did you did you see the lineup that Lenovo's got for their event lineup that Lenovo's got for their event lineup that Lenovo's got for their event at Oh, they got like everybody, man. at Oh, they got like everybody, man. at Oh, they got like everybody, man. >> Everybody. Are you going to be there? >> Everybody. Are you going to be there? >> Everybody. Are you going to be there? Are you going to go to the that event? Are you going to go to the that event? Are you going to go to the that event? I'll be there, man. I'll be there. We'll I'll be there, man. I'll be there. We'll I'll be there, man. I'll be there. We'll be in the sphere together. be in the sphere together. be in the sphere together. >> Yeah. And then >> Yeah. And then >> Yeah. And then >> Pete, you should sign up, man. >> Pete, you should sign up, man. >> Pete, you should sign up, man. >> I should. When is it? >> I should. When is it? >> I should. When is it? >> It's the seventh. >> It's the seventh. >> It's the seventh. >> No, Tuesday night. >> No, Tuesday night. >> No, Tuesday night. >> Yeah. Isn't that the seventh >> Yeah. Isn't that the seventh >> Yeah. Isn't that the seventh >> or 6th? I'm sorry. Sixth. >> or 6th? I'm sorry. Sixth. >> or 6th? I'm sorry. Sixth. >> Sixth. >> Sixth. >> Sixth. >> Oh, yeah. No, no, no. We have We have to >> Oh, yeah. No, no, no. We have We have to >> Oh, yeah. No, no, no. We have We have to be there. So, definitely. But I mean be there. So, definitely. But I mean be there. So, definitely. But I mean they got I mean you know it's like yes they got I mean you know it's like yes they got I mean you know it's like yes listen to Y for a bit but then you get listen to Y for a bit but then you get listen to Y for a bit but then you get Jensen, you get Lisa, you get everybody Jensen, you get Lisa, you get everybody Jensen, you get Lisa, you get everybody in their dog is there actually. in their dog is there actually. in their dog is there actually. >> Yeah, it's I mean LB LBT is going to be >> Yeah, it's I mean LB LBT is going to be >> Yeah, it's I mean LB LBT is going to be there. there. there. >> Y >> Y >> Y >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> Jeez. I mean they partner with >> Jeez. I mean they partner with >> Jeez. I mean they partner with everybody, right? Oh, uh Cristiano, everybody, right? Oh, uh Cristiano, everybody, right? Oh, uh Cristiano, don't forget Cristiano. don't forget Cristiano. don't forget Cristiano. >> Can't forget him. >> Can't forget him. >> Can't forget him. >> You know he's going to be there. Um, so >> You know he's going to be there. Um, so >> You know he's going to be there. Um, so yeah, that that that will be a literally yeah, that that that will be a literally yeah, that that that will be a literally a pocket to cloud event. So yeah. Um, a pocket to cloud event. So yeah. Um, a pocket to cloud event. So yeah. Um, [clears throat] and then it might be a [clears throat] and then it might be a [clears throat] and then it might be a secret, but then there's a you get some secret, but then there's a you get some secret, but then there's a you get some entertainment afterwards.

entertainment afterwards. entertainment afterwards. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> There's a live performance from Gwen >> There's a live performance from Gwen >> There's a live performance from Gwen Stefani. Stefani. Stefani. >> Really? Oh, they they announced the >> Really? Oh, they they announced the >> Really? Oh, they they announced the >> it's like in one of the mail emails or >> it's like in one of the mail emails or >> it's like in one of the mail emails or something I got, you know, you kind of something I got, you know, you kind of something I got, you know, you kind of see the deal. It shows all the different see the deal. It shows all the different see the deal. It shows all the different CEOs of all the tech companies and then CEOs of all the tech companies and then CEOs of all the tech companies and then when you scroll down then it's Quinn when you scroll down then it's Quinn when you scroll down then it's Quinn Stefani is going to perform. Stefani is going to perform. Stefani is going to perform. >> Wow. So, >> Wow. So, >> Wow. So, >> looks like it's looks amazing. >> looks like it's looks amazing. >> looks like it's looks amazing. >> Yeah, we got we got >> Yeah, we got we got >> Yeah, we got we got >> registered my interest hopefully. >> registered my interest hopefully. >> registered my interest hopefully. >> Well, we we'll advocate for your the >> Well, we we'll advocate for your the >> Well, we we'll advocate for your the acceptance of your application. acceptance of your application. acceptance of your application. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, absolutely. Oh, it sounds it >> Yeah, absolutely. Oh, it sounds it >> Yeah, absolutely. Oh, it sounds it sounds cool. Absolutely. sounds cool. Absolutely. sounds cool. Absolutely. >> For some reason, I thought it would be >> For some reason, I thought it would be >> For some reason, I thought it would be Coldplay, Coldplay, Coldplay, [snorts] you know. I don't know why. [snorts] you know. I don't know why. [snorts] you know. I don't know why. >> Just don't [clears throat] bring your >> Just don't [clears throat] bring your >> Just don't [clears throat] bring your girlfriend and you might get spotlighted girlfriend and you might get spotlighted girlfriend and you might get spotlighted by Coldplay concert. by Coldplay concert. by Coldplay concert. >> Oops. >> Oops. >> Oops. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Oh my god. Yeah, Rob, watch out. >> Oh my god. Yeah, Rob, watch out. >> Oh my god. Yeah, Rob, watch out. >> Watch out. >> Watch out. >> Watch out. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Watch out. >> Watch out. >> Watch out. >> Oh my gosh, that's crazy. >> Oh my gosh, that's crazy. >> Oh my gosh, that's crazy. >> Yeah. You know, I have to say sometimes >> Yeah. You know, I have to say sometimes >> Yeah. You know, I have to say sometimes I'm I'm this is totally it's still tech.

I'm I'm this is totally it's still tech. I'm I'm this is totally it's still tech. I'm worried about the direction Windows I'm worried about the direction Windows I'm worried about the direction Windows 11 is going. 11 is going. 11 is going. >> It seems to keep adding more and more AI >> It seems to keep adding more and more AI >> It seems to keep adding more and more AI stuff. [clears throat] stuff. [clears throat] stuff. [clears throat] >> Crap. Of course, >> Crap. Of course, >> Crap. Of course, >> like the latest update, you know, second >> like the latest update, you know, second >> like the latest update, you know, second half 2025, which seemed like it didn't half 2025, which seemed like it didn't half 2025, which seemed like it didn't do anything, and then little things are do anything, and then little things are do anything, and then little things are now creeping up. And so, you know, now creeping up. And so, you know, now creeping up. And so, you know, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> it went from Cortana trying to be like >> it went from Cortana trying to be like >> it went from Cortana trying to be like Siri to now it's just AI everywhere Siri to now it's just AI everywhere Siri to now it's just AI everywhere embed and they keep trying to get you to embed and they keep trying to get you to embed and they keep trying to get you to use co-pilot in every product and every use co-pilot in every product and every use co-pilot in every product and every everything. everything. everything. >> You know, it must be a KPI internally >> You know, it must be a KPI internally >> You know, it must be a KPI internally that every PM has to like figure out a that every PM has to like figure out a that every PM has to like figure out a way to insert AI workloads into their way to insert AI workloads into their way to insert AI workloads into their >> Yeah. Did you see uh control panel or >> Yeah. Did you see uh control panel or >> Yeah. Did you see uh control panel or whatever? I don't know. whatever? I don't know. whatever? I don't know. >> Yeah. Did you see that comment from >> Yeah. Did you see that comment from >> Yeah. Did you see that comment from Satia Satia Satia >> where he was just telling all he said >> where he was just telling all he said >> where he was just telling all he said all to all the executives he's like you all to all the executives he's like you all to all the executives he's like you guys all need to get all in with AI or guys all need to get all in with AI or guys all need to get all in with AI or you should you should you should >> or you should step aside. >> or you should step aside. >> or you should step aside. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And leave the company. I mean >> And leave the company. I mean >> And leave the company. I mean >> it was like Santino's like putting his >> it was like Santino's like putting his >> it was like Santino's like putting his fist down. It's like everything has to fist down. It's like everything has to fist down. It's like everything has to be AI or you're in the wrong company.

be AI or you're in the wrong company. be AI or you're in the wrong company. >> He needs to do it. He needs to I mean he >> He needs to do it. He needs to I mean he >> He needs to do it. He needs to I mean he has no choice. He is so far in this if has no choice. He is so far in this if has no choice. He is so far in this if AI doesn't work out which it isn't. Um, AI doesn't work out which it isn't. Um, AI doesn't work out which it isn't. Um, you know, you know, you know, >> well, yeah, he needs those workloads, >> well, yeah, he needs those workloads, >> well, yeah, he needs those workloads, those those data centers need to be those those data centers need to be those those data centers need to be consumed with. consumed with. consumed with. >> Yeah. And come on, come on. I mean, he >> Yeah. And come on, come on. I mean, he >> Yeah. And come on, come on. I mean, he he was the metaverse CEO for a while. He he was the metaverse CEO for a while. He he was the metaverse CEO for a while. He pro proclaimed that everything is pro proclaimed that everything is pro proclaimed that everything is metverse, right? How did that go? I metverse, right? How did that go? I metverse, right? How did that go? I mean, it's not like the guy is right all mean, it's not like the guy is right all mean, it's not like the guy is right all the time. the time. the time. um he he drives hype and some sometimes um he he drives hype and some sometimes um he he drives hype and some sometimes the technologies that he's pushing the technologies that he's pushing the technologies that he's pushing um are not ready for prime time or um are not ready for prime time or um are not ready for prime time or they're just you know kind of delusional they're just you know kind of delusional they're just you know kind of delusional like uh metaverse was like uh metaverse was like uh metaverse was >> is um and so you know yeah it's >> is um and so you know yeah it's >> is um and so you know yeah it's >> it's >> it's >> it's all well I'm sure it's it's all in all well I'm sure it's it's all in all well I'm sure it's it's all in everyone's scorecard too everyone's scorecard too everyone's scorecard too >> you know who all else >> you know who all else >> you know who all else >> you You know how Elsa says that is, you >> you You know how Elsa says that is, you >> you You know how Elsa says that is, you know, G2 Patel, the president of Cisco, know, G2 Patel, the president of Cisco, know, G2 Patel, the president of Cisco, he says if you don't, you're not all in he says if you don't, you're not all in he says if you don't, you're not all in on AI, you know, hey, uh, but they're on AI, you know, hey, uh, but they're on AI, you know, hey, uh, but they're not so as dependent on it, right?

not so as dependent on it, right? not so as dependent on it, right? >> No. Well, they haven't dumped a trillion >> No. Well, they haven't dumped a trillion >> No. Well, they haven't dumped a trillion dollars into data center infrastructure. dollars into data center infrastructure. dollars into data center infrastructure. and they're and they're perfectly and they're and they're perfectly and they're and they're perfectly positioned like many others positioned like many others positioned like many others um for edge AI or enterprise AI, you um for edge AI or enterprise AI, you um for edge AI or enterprise AI, you know, when this stuff diffuses and then know, when this stuff diffuses and then know, when this stuff diffuses and then um I think a lot of the ML stuff is just um I think a lot of the ML stuff is just um I think a lot of the ML stuff is just going to get cheaper and cheaper and going to get cheaper and cheaper and going to get cheaper and cheaper and easier to implement and that that's easier to implement and that that's easier to implement and that that's what's really going to benefit while what's really going to benefit while what's really going to benefit while everyone else is struggling to figure everyone else is struggling to figure everyone else is struggling to figure out how to tame a large language model out how to tame a large language model out how to tame a large language model for anything um businessw worthy, right? for anything um businessw worthy, right? for anything um businessw worthy, right? it I it works. it I it works. it I it works. >> So I mean so hey let's do this in the >> So I mean so hey let's do this in the >> So I mean so hey let's do this in the last 10 minutes that we have here on last 10 minutes that we have here on last 10 minutes that we have here on this weird episode where we talked way this weird episode where we talked way this weird episode where we talked way too much about [laughter] what it's like too much about [laughter] what it's like too much about [laughter] what it's like >> an analyst but let's do this whole >> an analyst but let's do this whole >> an analyst but let's do this whole prediction nonsense. Okay. What do you prediction nonsense. Okay. What do you prediction nonsense. Okay. What do you guys say for 2026? guys say for 2026? guys say for 2026? What do you think? What do you think? What do you think? >> What are your predictions, gentlemen? >> What are your predictions, gentlemen? >> What are your predictions, gentlemen? >> It's all about inferencing. It's all >> It's all about inferencing. It's all >> It's all about inferencing. It's all about inferencing. I think uh look at about inferencing. I think uh look at about inferencing. I think uh look at the Grock look at the Grock news that the Grock look at the Grock news that the Grock look at the Grock news that happened this week with Nvidia. 20 happened this week with Nvidia. 20 happened this week with Nvidia. 20 billion dollars for billion dollars for billion dollars for >> um you know that are more more attuned >> um you know that are more more attuned >> um you know that are more more attuned toward inferencing language models or toward inferencing language models or toward inferencing language models or models in general. So, I think we're models in general. So, I think we're models in general. So, I think we're going to see AS6 and models and going to see AS6 and models and going to see AS6 and models and inferencing as the hot thing. I'm inferencing as the hot thing. I'm inferencing as the hot thing. I'm biased, obviously, but uh biased, obviously, but uh biased, obviously, but uh >> that's what [clears throat] it's all >> that's what [clears throat] it's all >> that's what [clears throat] it's all about, man. Inferencing, inferencing, about, man. Inferencing, inferencing, about, man. Inferencing, inferencing, inferencing.

inferencing. inferencing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Used to be about models. >> Used to be about models. >> Used to be about models. >> Could you do like a a dance or kind of >> Could you do like a a dance or kind of >> Could you do like a a dance or kind of jump up and down while you're jump up and down while you're jump up and down while you're >> inferencing? I'll have to work on that. >> inferencing? I'll have to work on that. >> inferencing? I'll have to work on that. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> And I need you to have a lot of sweat. >> And I need you to have a lot of sweat. >> And I need you to have a lot of sweat. You look [clears throat] like you're You look [clears throat] like you're You look [clears throat] like you're about to have a heart attack. about to have a heart attack. about to have a heart attack. >> Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. Um, yeah. Yeah. >> Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. Um, yeah. Yeah. >> Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. Um, yeah. Yeah. What about you, Rob? What about you, Rob? What about you, Rob? >> I think we're going to see a mass >> I think we're going to see a mass >> I think we're going to see a mass migration for Windows users are going to migration for Windows users are going to migration for Windows users are going to migrate back to Windows 10 to have a to migrate back to Windows 10 to have a to migrate back to Windows 10 to have a to to [laughter] have an AI free operating to [laughter] have an AI free operating to [laughter] have an AI free operating system. What a lot of people don't system. What a lot of people don't system. What a lot of people don't realize, Windows 11 is essentially realize, Windows 11 is essentially realize, Windows 11 is essentially Windows 10 with curved windows. Under Windows 10 with curved windows. Under Windows 10 with curved windows. Under the hood, it is still Windows 10. the hood, it is still Windows 10. the hood, it is still Windows 10. There's no big change. There's no big change. There's no big change. >> No, I know. Exactly. >> No, I know. Exactly. >> No, I know. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And so they're going to take USB sticks >> And so they're going to take USB sticks >> And so they're going to take USB sticks with an ISO for Windows 10 and they're with an ISO for Windows 10 and they're with an ISO for Windows 10 and they're going to flash computers and they're going to flash computers and they're going to flash computers and they're going to go back and they're going to going to go back and they're going to going to go back and they're going to back. You can hear me now, but you can't back. You can hear me now, but you can't back. You can hear me now, but you can't see me. I can't see you. Yeah, you're see me. I can't see you. Yeah, you're see me. I can't see you. Yeah, you're frozen. [laughter] frozen. [laughter] frozen. [laughter] >> It's cuz I'm on Windows 11 and right >> It's cuz I'm on Windows 11 and right >> It's cuz I'm on Windows 11 and right [clears throat] now it's trying to stop [clears throat] now it's trying to stop [clears throat] now it's trying to stop me from preaching the gospel.

me from preaching the gospel. me from preaching the gospel. >> Ah, I see. The AI has taken over. >> Ah, I see. The AI has taken over. >> Ah, I see. The AI has taken over. >> It's taken over message. >> It's taken over message. >> It's taken over message. >> Exactly. And so, uh, anyway, mass >> Exactly. And so, uh, anyway, mass >> Exactly. And so, uh, anyway, mass migration to Windows 10. migration to Windows 10. migration to Windows 10. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Interesting. Interesting. >> Interesting. Interesting. >> Interesting. Interesting. >> Just a USB thumb drive away. >> Just a USB thumb drive away. >> Just a USB thumb drive away. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Pay pay the $5 or whatever for security. >> Pay pay the $5 or whatever for security. >> Pay pay the $5 or whatever for security. >> A trend toward dying or uh >> A trend toward dying or uh >> A trend toward dying or uh >> dying. Yes. >> dying. Yes. >> dying. Yes. >> Not deeying, but dying. It's different. >> Not deeying, but dying. It's different. >> Not deeying, but dying. It's different. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that's good. I like that. >> that's good. I like that. >> that's good. I like that. [clears throat] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right, Leonard. [laughter] >> All right, Leonard. [laughter] >> All right, Leonard. [laughter] I think I mean you guys covered a couple I think I mean you guys covered a couple I think I mean you guys covered a couple of really good ones. The Windows 10 of really good ones. The Windows 10 of really good ones. The Windows 10 thing is awesome. That's like freaking thing is awesome. That's like freaking thing is awesome. That's like freaking going backwards. I love it. [laughter] going backwards. I love it. [laughter] going backwards. I love it. [laughter] >> Or maybe it's forwards with humanity. >> Or maybe it's forwards with humanity. >> Or maybe it's forwards with humanity. >> Yeah. Yeah. Actually, it might be >> Yeah. Yeah. Actually, it might be >> Yeah. Yeah. Actually, it might be humanity first. humanity first. humanity first. >> Let's avoid something that doesn't >> Let's avoid something that doesn't >> Let's avoid something that doesn't really entirely work all that well. So, really entirely work all that well. So, really entirely work all that well. So, um no, I think um you know um gonna I'm um no, I think um you know um gonna I'm um no, I think um you know um gonna I'm gonna show a little love for our IoT gonna show a little love for our IoT gonna show a little love for our IoT folks here. And I think IoT is going to folks here. And I think IoT is going to folks here. And I think IoT is going to get some re um renewed interest get some re um renewed interest get some re um renewed interest >> uh just simply because all this physical >> uh just simply because all this physical >> uh just simply because all this physical AI talk is going to drive a recognition AI talk is going to drive a recognition AI talk is going to drive a recognition that IoT or the stuff that IoT guys are that IoT or the stuff that IoT guys are that IoT or the stuff that IoT guys are doing is important. You have to have doing is important. You have to have doing is important. You have to have high quality high quality high quality u information coming in order to as Rob u information coming in order to as Rob u information coming in order to as Rob likes to say hydrate these models,

likes to say hydrate these models, likes to say hydrate these models, hydrate these data sets and hydrate the hydrate these data sets and hydrate the hydrate these data sets and hydrate the physical AI models that everyone's physical AI models that everyone's physical AI models that everyone's getting so excited about. This isn't new getting so excited about. This isn't new getting so excited about. This isn't new stuff. It's rebranded, [laughter] stuff. It's rebranded, [laughter] stuff. It's rebranded, [laughter] but there's going to be renewed interest but there's going to be renewed interest but there's going to be renewed interest and um people are the I AI community is and um people are the I AI community is and um people are the I AI community is going to discover how difficult IoT going to discover how difficult IoT going to discover how difficult IoT actually is and what it takes to not actually is and what it takes to not actually is and what it takes to not only realize uh quality IoT solutions, only realize uh quality IoT solutions, only realize uh quality IoT solutions, but to sustain them, right? Right. And but to sustain them, right? Right. And but to sustain them, right? Right. And that's something we talked about on the that's something we talked about on the that's something we talked about on the show forever since we started this thing show forever since we started this thing show forever since we started this thing is that you have to think about how to is that you have to think about how to is that you have to think about how to maintain these things, right? maintain these things, right? maintain these things, right? >> Recalibrating almost everything to make >> Recalibrating almost everything to make >> Recalibrating almost everything to make sure that, you know, everything is still sure that, you know, everything is still sure that, you know, everything is still kosher and then maybe even having to kosher and then maybe even having to kosher and then maybe even having to adapt things at the higher level because adapt things at the higher level because adapt things at the higher level because the models are changing or drifting and, the models are changing or drifting and, the models are changing or drifting and, you know, you're going to have quality you know, you're going to have quality you know, you're going to have quality issues everywhere. But there's going to issues everywhere. But there's going to issues everywhere. But there's going to be this recognition that if we if be this recognition that if we if be this recognition that if we if anyone's going to do anything with anyone's going to do anything with anyone's going to do anything with physical AI, you need freaking great physical AI, you need freaking great physical AI, you need freaking great IoT. The digital twin stuff is going to IoT. The digital twin stuff is going to IoT. The digital twin stuff is going to start coming back in as well. It already start coming back in as well. It already start coming back in as well. It already is, but is, but is, but >> I don't know. Are you saying that 2026 >> I don't know. Are you saying that 2026 >> I don't know. Are you saying that 2026 is the year of edge AI? Is that what is the year of edge AI? Is that what is the year of edge AI? Is that what you're saying?

>> Could be. Could be. >> Could be. Could be. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Holy mackerel. Holy canoli. >> Holy mackerel. Holy canoli. >> Holy mackerel. Holy canoli. >> Holy canoli, Batman. operational >> Holy canoli, Batman. operational >> Holy canoli, Batman. operational [laughter] tech. tech. >> Oh, hey, one one one final one. Uh, a >> Oh, hey, one one one final one. Uh, a >> Oh, hey, one one one final one. Uh, a micro one. There's going to be a ton of micro one. There's going to be a ton of micro one. There's going to be a ton of alges next year, but uh another one uh alges next year, but uh another one uh alges next year, but uh another one uh generative AI will find its market generative AI will find its market generative AI will find its market and make a ton of money. and make a ton of money. and make a ton of money. >> Wow, that's a good prediction. >> Wow, that's a good prediction. >> Wow, that's a good prediction. >> An adult entertainment. >> An adult entertainment. >> An adult entertainment. >> Oh, okay. Sorry, >> Oh, okay. Sorry, >> Oh, okay. Sorry, >> I didn't wait till the end of the >> I didn't wait till the end of the >> I didn't wait till the end of the sentence there. And sentence there. And sentence there. And >> well, yeah, you know, that's always been >> well, yeah, you know, that's always been >> well, yeah, you know, that's always been a driver of tech, right? a driver of tech, right? a driver of tech, right? >> Yeah. Your AI porno girlfriend, yes, >> Yeah. Your AI porno girlfriend, yes, >> Yeah. Your AI porno girlfriend, yes, will make somebody a lot of money. So, will make somebody a lot of money. So, will make somebody a lot of money. So, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> Okay. Isn't it interesting how many >> Okay. Isn't it interesting how many >> Okay. Isn't it interesting how many people have relationships with AI now people have relationships with AI now people have relationships with AI now and they are [clears throat] they are and they are [clears throat] they are and they are [clears throat] they are like bleeding their hearts out to online like bleeding their hearts out to online like bleeding their hearts out to online chat GBTS LLM and and they think it's chat GBTS LLM and and they think it's chat GBTS LLM and and they think it's the best thing that ever happened to the best thing that ever happened to the best thing that ever happened to them and maybe it's helping them but at them and maybe it's helping them but at them and maybe it's helping them but at the same time they're also divulging the same time they're also divulging the same time they're also divulging everything to the whole world everything to the whole world everything to the whole world >> and I don't think they know that >> and I don't think they know that >> and I don't think they know that >> or maybe they don't care >> or maybe they don't care >> or maybe they don't care >> they don't care I mean it's the next >> they don't care I mean it's the next >> they don't care I mean it's the next level of I don't care about my privacy, level of I don't care about my privacy, level of I don't care about my privacy, you know, until they find out, you know.

you know, until they find out, you know. you know, until they find out, you know. It's like what Bill says, fa. It's like what Bill says, fa. It's like what Bill says, fa. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> I mean, quite literally, right? >> I mean, quite literally, right? >> I mean, quite literally, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Almost like that scene in South Park, >> Almost like that scene in South Park, >> Almost like that scene in South Park, right, where that guy is um talking to right, where that guy is um talking to right, where that guy is um talking to his AI in his bed like this and his wife his AI in his bed like this and his wife his AI in his bed like this and his wife is sitting next to him. [laughter] is sitting next to him. [laughter] is sitting next to him. [laughter] >> I'm right here. >> I'm right here. >> I'm right here. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Right. Right. It's 2026 in a nutshell. >> Right. Right. It's 2026 in a nutshell. >> Right. Right. It's 2026 in a nutshell. >> It pretty much is. Absolutely. It is, >> It pretty much is. Absolutely. It is, >> It pretty much is. Absolutely. It is, man. It's It's her for real. man. It's It's her for real. man. It's It's her for real. >> Yeah. I mean, we had the her episode. >> Yeah. I mean, we had the her episode. >> Yeah. I mean, we had the her episode. >> We did. >> We did. >> We did. >> Been one of the first ones to associate >> Been one of the first ones to associate >> Been one of the first ones to associate what was going on with her. what was going on with her. what was going on with her. >> I need to rewatch that movie. That was a >> I need to rewatch that movie. That was a >> I need to rewatch that movie. That was a clever movie. clever movie. clever movie. >> That was like what 2013, right? >> That was like what 2013, right? >> That was like what 2013, right? >> That was like Yeah. Spike Jones made it. >> That was like Yeah. Spike Jones made it. >> That was like Yeah. Spike Jones made it. That was a really clever movie, That was a really clever movie, That was a really clever movie, actually. Yeah. actually. Yeah. actually. Yeah. >> Yeah. That was a But it, you know, for >> Yeah. That was a But it, you know, for >> Yeah. That was a But it, you know, for me it was disturbing when I was watching me it was disturbing when I was watching me it was disturbing when I was watching I I was embarrassed for Walken Phoenix's I I was embarrassed for Walken Phoenix's I I was embarrassed for Walken Phoenix's character. character. character. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> At the time, all I could think was, >> At the time, all I could think was, >> At the time, all I could think was, dude, you're so pathetic.

dude, you're so pathetic. dude, you're so pathetic. >> But maybe the world is pathetic. >> But maybe the world is pathetic. >> But maybe the world is pathetic. >> And now it's like 30% of the population. >> And now it's like 30% of the population. >> And now it's like 30% of the population. >> I mean, it's right% >> I mean, it's right% >> I mean, it's right% of the population. of the population. of the population. >> What? It's 30% >> What? It's 30% >> What? It's 30% >> 30% of the population using chat bots >> 30% of the population using chat bots >> 30% of the population using chat bots for personal whatever conversations. for personal whatever conversations. for personal whatever conversations. >> Yeah. So, it seemed weird, but it is >> Yeah. So, it seemed weird, but it is >> Yeah. So, it seemed weird, but it is becoming pervasive. becoming pervasive. becoming pervasive. >> Mainstream. Mainstream. >> Mainstream. Mainstream. >> Mainstream. Mainstream. >> You know, you you've read plenty of >> You know, you you've read plenty of >> You know, you you've read plenty of articles about how we got a declining articles about how we got a declining articles about how we got a declining birth rate. birth rate. birth rate. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And population decline, all that kind of >> And population decline, all that kind of >> And population decline, all that kind of stuff. And people are like, "This is stuff. And people are like, "This is stuff. And people are like, "This is only going to accelerate that because only going to accelerate that because only going to accelerate that because all of a sudden, oh, I can have my AI all of a sudden, oh, I can have my AI all of a sudden, oh, I can have my AI girlfriend instead." Um, and that's good girlfriend instead." Um, and that's good girlfriend instead." Um, and that's good enough for me. And then you know what enough for me. And then you know what enough for me. And then you know what people don't realize? You can people don't realize? You can people don't realize? You can uh Oh, uh Oh, uh Oh, >> the AI is cutting him off again. >> the AI is cutting him off again. >> the AI is cutting him off again. >> Outage. >> Outage. >> Outage. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> He was just about to say something very >> He was just about to say something very >> He was just about to say something very insightful. insightful. insightful. >> When did this ever really happened >> When did this ever really happened >> When did this ever really happened before? Come on. before? Come on. before? Come on. >> Must be a Texas thing. I think it's >> Must be a Texas thing. I think it's >> Must be a Texas thing. I think it's >> I got it. I mean, he like lives in a in >> I got it. I mean, he like lives in a in >> I got it. I mean, he like lives in a in a townhouse, dude. In the middle of like a townhouse, dude. In the middle of like a townhouse, dude. In the middle of like freaking a suburb. I don't freaking a suburb. I don't freaking a suburb. I don't >> You're back. I was silent for you. I was >> You're back. I was silent for you. I was >> You're back. I was silent for you. I was silenced.

silenced. silenced. >> I was silenced. >> I was silenced. >> I was silenced. >> You were censored. Maybe give us the pig >> You were censored. Maybe give us the pig >> You were censored. Maybe give us the pig Latin version and it won't detect it. Latin version and it won't detect it. Latin version and it won't detect it. You know, You know, You know, >> exactly. You know, I thought I had a 2 >> exactly. You know, I thought I had a 2 >> exactly. You know, I thought I had a 2 gig, you know, fiber connection here, gig, you know, fiber connection here, gig, you know, fiber connection here, but no, but no, but no, >> I was silenced. >> I was silenced. >> I was silenced. >> You should go to down detector right >> You should go to down detector right >> You should go to down detector right now. now. now. >> Okay, I will. Down detector. Yep. I'm >> Okay, I will. Down detector. Yep. I'm >> Okay, I will. Down detector. Yep. I'm sure I'm screwed. sure I'm screwed. sure I'm screwed. >> Yeah, there's got nothing goofy going >> Yeah, there's got nothing goofy going >> Yeah, there's got nothing goofy going on. There's something on. There's something on. There's something Yeah, I'm sure it's a big I'm sure it's Yeah, I'm sure it's a big I'm sure it's Yeah, I'm sure it's a big I'm sure it's not AI on my computer going not AI on my computer going not AI on my computer going >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> you can depopulate the planet in just >> you can depopulate the planet in just >> you can depopulate the planet in just over 100 years. over 100 years. over 100 years. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> you can take the planet's population to >> you can take the planet's population to >> you can take the planet's population to zero in just around 100, a little over zero in just around 100, a little over zero in just around 100, a little over 100 years. 100 years. 100 years. >> And you know what, >> And you know what, >> And you know what, >> which seems crazy, but it's true. But >> which seems crazy, but it's true. But >> which seems crazy, but it's true. But that's a that might be the problem that that's a that might be the problem that that's a that might be the problem that leading economies deal with first. Uh leading economies deal with first. Uh leading economies deal with first. Uh you know that was like I mean who needs you know that was like I mean who needs you know that was like I mean who needs who needs Terminators when you have uh who needs Terminators when you have uh who needs Terminators when you have uh AI porn and AI therapists and AI AI porn and AI therapists and AI AI porn and AI therapists and AI companions, right?

companions, right? companions, right? >> Yeah. you're just going to see uh the >> Yeah. you're just going to see uh the >> Yeah. you're just going to see uh the population. I mean, South Korea population. I mean, South Korea population. I mean, South Korea probably, you know, and the problem probably, you know, and the problem probably, you know, and the problem there is you have all that K-pop stuff there is you have all that K-pop stuff there is you have all that K-pop stuff going on. And I'm sure all the boys going on. And I'm sure all the boys going on. And I'm sure all the boys think that their girlfriends or their think that their girlfriends or their think that their girlfriends or their real life spouses need to look like one real life spouses need to look like one real life spouses need to look like one of the K-pop whatever, demon hunters or of the K-pop whatever, demon hunters or of the K-pop whatever, demon hunters or something. something. something. >> The demon hunters, you got to kill >> The demon hunters, you got to kill >> The demon hunters, you got to kill demons. demons. demons. >> Quite literally look like a like a >> Quite literally look like a like a >> Quite literally look like a like a freaking Japanese cartoon character, freaking Japanese cartoon character, freaking Japanese cartoon character, right? I mean, that's fantasy. And so right? I mean, that's fantasy. And so right? I mean, that's fantasy. And so they become socially dysfunctional. They they become socially dysfunctional. They they become socially dysfunctional. They become sexually dysfunctional. And then become sexually dysfunctional. And then become sexually dysfunctional. And then you know the next generation I mean look you know the next generation I mean look you know the next generation I mean look what's happening in Korea right now. No what's happening in Korea right now. No what's happening in Korea right now. No like we have negative population growth like we have negative population growth like we have negative population growth in in Korea. in in Korea. in in Korea. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> now you know you were talking about the >> now you know you were talking about the >> now you know you were talking about the I know you've been watching uh Leonard I know you've been watching uh Leonard I know you've been watching uh Leonard you've been watching Plurus. you've been watching Plurus. you've been watching Plurus. >> Oh my god. you know, think about that >> Oh my god. you know, think about that >> Oh my god. you know, think about that and you know, and it's all great. But and you know, and it's all great. But and you know, and it's all great. But what was their fatal flaw in this new what was their fatal flaw in this new what was their fatal flaw in this new group of people? They won't kill group of people? They won't kill group of people? They won't kill anything to eat. They won't even pick an anything to eat. They won't even pick an anything to eat. They won't even pick an apple from the tree. And they said, apple from the tree. And they said, apple from the tree. And they said, >> "Oh, yeah. Most of us will be, you know, >> "Oh, yeah. Most of us will be, you know, >> "Oh, yeah. Most of us will be, you know, mass starvation in 10 years." [laughter] mass starvation in 10 years." [laughter] mass starvation in 10 years." [laughter] >> Yeah. Some, you know, they they eat they >> Yeah. Some, you know, they they eat they >> Yeah. Some, you know, they they eat they eat eat eat >> leftover people.

>> leftover people. >> leftover people. >> Milk. >> Milk. >> Milk. >> Milk. >> Milk. >> Milk. >> Milk. [laughter] >> Milk. [laughter] >> Milk. [laughter] Yeah. You know what? That that that Yeah. You know what? That that that Yeah. You know what? That that that show is amazing. You get hooked on it show is amazing. You get hooked on it show is amazing. You get hooked on it watching the most annoying person in the watching the most annoying person in the watching the most annoying person in the world, annoying character that was ever world, annoying character that was ever world, annoying character that was ever created, you know, and you're hooked, created, you know, and you're hooked, created, you know, and you're hooked, you know. you know. you know. >> You're hooked, man. >> You're hooked, man. >> You're hooked, man. >> My favorite part was when that drone >> My favorite part was when that drone >> My favorite part was when that drone gets stuck [laughter] on the lamp post. gets stuck [laughter] on the lamp post. gets stuck [laughter] on the lamp post. >> I don't know. I mean, that just left an >> I don't know. I mean, that just left an >> I don't know. I mean, that just left an impression. It was just so funny. impression. It was just so funny. impression. It was just so funny. >> That did it for you. Yeah. >> That did it for you. Yeah. >> That did it for you. Yeah. >> Yeah. I was >> Yeah. I was >> Yeah. I was >> you know I just love that you know Mr. >> you know I just love that you know Mr. >> you know I just love that you know Mr. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul is Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul is Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul is keeping it real in Albuquerque, New keeping it real in Albuquerque, New keeping it real in Albuquerque, New Mexico, you know. Mexico, you know. Mexico, you know. >> So it's good. Albuquerque is the center >> So it's good. Albuquerque is the center >> So it's good. Albuquerque is the center of the universe. Just ask Bill Gates. of the universe. Just ask Bill Gates. of the universe. Just ask Bill Gates. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> Where that house is beautiful, man. Her >> Where that house is beautiful, man. Her >> Where that house is beautiful, man. Her house is gorgeous. house is gorgeous. house is gorgeous. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> I was thinking, you know, before until >> I was thinking, you know, before until >> I was thinking, you know, before until the coyote or was it the wolves or the the coyote or was it the wolves or the the coyote or was it the wolves or the coyotes? Got to be coyotes, right? That coyotes? Got to be coyotes, right? That coyotes? Got to be coyotes, right? That could be.

could be. could be. >> Could be. >> Could be. >> Could be. >> They don't have wolves in the desert, >> They don't have wolves in the desert, >> They don't have wolves in the desert, right? right? right? >> They might. They might. I don't know. >> They might. They might. I don't know. >> They might. They might. I don't know. >> Coyotes. >> Coyotes. >> Coyotes. >> Yeah, I think I think there's wolves >> Yeah, I think I think there's wolves >> Yeah, I think I think there's wolves everywhere, man. everywhere, man. everywhere, man. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, [clears throat] anyways, >> Yeah. Yeah. So, [clears throat] anyways, >> Yeah. Yeah. So, [clears throat] anyways, um um um >> including dire wolves that have been >> including dire wolves that have been >> including dire wolves that have been brought back to life. brought back to life. brought back to life. >> Are you by Colossus Biosciences? >> Are you by Colossus Biosciences? >> Are you by Colossus Biosciences? >> You got to be kidding me, dude. >> You got to be kidding me, dude. >> You got to be kidding me, dude. >> Look it up. Look on the internet. It'll >> Look it up. Look on the internet. It'll >> Look it up. Look on the internet. It'll tell you. They brought back why why tell you. They brought back why why tell you. They brought back why why don't they just bring back the T-Rex? don't they just bring back the T-Rex? don't they just bring back the T-Rex? You know, You know, You know, >> they're working on it. >> they're working on it. >> they're working on it. >> No, they're doing the Jurassic Park >> No, they're doing the Jurassic Park >> No, they're doing the Jurassic Park thing, man. This guy Ben Lamb, I thing, man. This guy Ben Lamb, I thing, man. This guy Ben Lamb, I remember him from a previous startup he remember him from a previous startup he remember him from a previous startup he did in Texas in Austin or Dallas or did in Texas in Austin or Dallas or did in Texas in Austin or Dallas or something. And so he's got guys and something. And so he's got guys and something. And so he's got guys and they're doing they found DNA fragments they're doing they found DNA fragments they're doing they found DNA fragments and stuff from different, you know, and stuff from different, you know, and stuff from different, you know, they're trying to bring they're working they're trying to bring they're working they're trying to bring they're working on bringing it back to Woolly Mammoth on bringing it back to Woolly Mammoth on bringing it back to Woolly Mammoth >> and stuff like that. So, >> and stuff like that. So, >> and stuff like that. So, >> oh my god, >> oh my god, >> oh my god, >> that's a thing. Yeah. >> that's a thing. Yeah. >> that's a thing. Yeah. >> So, Michael Kiteon wasn't wrong.

>> So, Michael Kiteon wasn't wrong. >> So, Michael Kiteon wasn't wrong. >> Michael Kiteon wasn't wrong. >> Michael Kiteon wasn't wrong. >> Michael Kiteon wasn't wrong. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. You know. >> Yeah. Exactly. You know. >> Yeah. Exactly. You know. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Remember remember >> Remember remember >> Remember remember Jeff Goldblum was not wrong either. Jeff Goldblum was not wrong either. Jeff Goldblum was not wrong either. >> No, he wasn't wrong. Yeah. >> No, he wasn't wrong. Yeah. >> No, he wasn't wrong. Yeah. >> Life will find a way, right? >> Life will find a way, right? >> Life will find a way, right? >> Exactly. Exactly. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> Yeah. So, make sure you listen to Jeff. >> Yeah. So, make sure you listen to Jeff. >> Yeah. So, make sure you listen to Jeff. >> So, you think >> So, you think >> So, you think >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Even when we become extinct, right, the >> Even when we become extinct, right, the >> Even when we become extinct, right, the human race becomes extinct. Find a way. human race becomes extinct. Find a way. human race becomes extinct. Find a way. We'll have an alien race that tries to We'll have an alien race that tries to We'll have an alien race that tries to [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> grow humans, extinct humans from a petri >> grow humans, extinct humans from a petri >> grow humans, extinct humans from a petri dish or whatever they have. They dish or whatever they have. They dish or whatever they have. They probably have something much more probably have something much more probably have something much more advanced than, you know, advanced than, you know, advanced than, you know, >> a petri dish. >> a petri dish. >> a petri dish. >> Petri dish. >> Petri dish. >> Petri dish. >> Maybe it could be. Well, this thing got >> Maybe it could be. Well, this thing got >> Maybe it could be. Well, this thing got really weird, but thanks for all that, really weird, but thanks for all that, really weird, but thanks for all that, guys. [laughter] guys. [laughter] guys. [laughter] >> Really weird episode. Yes, >> Really weird episode. Yes, >> Really weird episode. Yes, >> it is weird >> it is weird >> it is weird out, dude. out, dude. out, dude. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. 2026. 2026. 2026. >> Oh, yeah. So, she want me to take take >> Oh, yeah. So, she want me to take take >> Oh, yeah. So, she want me to take take us out to the last episode of 2025, us out to the last episode of 2025, us out to the last episode of 2025, the IoT coffee talk. Emphasis on IoT.

the IoT coffee talk. Emphasis on IoT. the IoT coffee talk. Emphasis on IoT. [laughter] Uh, but uh it's been great [laughter] Uh, but uh it's been great [laughter] Uh, but uh it's been great having everyone here. Make sure you go having everyone here. Make sure you go having everyone here. Make sure you go to the uh what's it called now? What's to the uh what's it called now? What's to the uh what's it called now? What's the new What's the new communities? the new What's the new communities? the new What's the new communities? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Elevate communities.org. >> Elevate communities.org. >> Elevate communities.org. >> Is that right? >> Is that right? >> Is that right? >> Perfect. So, let's do that and actually >> Perfect. So, let's do that and actually >> Perfect. So, let's do that and actually use this technology for something use this technology for something use this technology for something positive in 2026, which should be great. positive in 2026, which should be great. positive in 2026, which should be great. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Something that it doesn't have to do >> Something that it doesn't have to do >> Something that it doesn't have to do with porn yet. with porn yet. with porn yet. >> Okay, sounds fair. >> Okay, sounds fair. >> Okay, sounds fair. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> sounds good. So, uh yeah, make sure you >> sounds good. So, uh yeah, make sure you >> sounds good. So, uh yeah, make sure you visit that and donate. Good. You know, visit that and donate. Good. You know, visit that and donate. Good. You know, by the way, not I'm not a tax person. by the way, not I'm not a tax person. by the way, not I'm not a tax person. Don't take my financial advice, but it Don't take my financial advice, but it Don't take my financial advice, but it is the end of 2025. So, if you're going is the end of 2025. So, if you're going is the end of 2025. So, if you're going to be giving a little bit to take off to be giving a little bit to take off to be giving a little bit to take off your taxes, now would be a good time to your taxes, now would be a good time to your taxes, now would be a good time to do that. So, you might as well go to do that. So, you might as well go to do that. So, you might as well go to elevate communities.org and do so. elevate communities.org and do so. elevate communities.org and do so. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Wow. Other than that, >> Wow. Other than that, >> Wow. Other than that, >> a donation. Yeah. >> a donation. Yeah. >> a donation. Yeah. >> Perhaps we'll reconvene in Vegas. We're >> Perhaps we'll reconvene in Vegas. We're >> Perhaps we'll reconvene in Vegas. We're going to do a little CES maybe. going to do a little CES maybe. going to do a little CES maybe. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> IoT coffee talk >> IoT coffee talk >> IoT coffee talk >> at the Spear or some place like that. >> at the Spear or some place like that. >> at the Spear or some place like that. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. >> Yeah, of course.

>> Yeah, of course. >> Yeah, of course. >> Regardless, we will be back next week >> Regardless, we will be back next week >> Regardless, we will be back next week and every week since uh March of 2020. and every week since uh March of 2020. and every week since uh March of 2020. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. and never ends. Never ends. >> Yeah. and never ends. Never ends. >> Yeah. and never ends. Never ends. >> Direwolf, >> Direwolf, >> Direwolf, >> we hope everywhere. >> we hope everywhere. >> we hope everywhere. >> Yeah, direwolves everywhere. Christmas >> Yeah, direwolves everywhere. Christmas >> Yeah, direwolves everywhere. Christmas dire wolves. Um but um yeah, we'll see dire wolves. Um but um yeah, we'll see dire wolves. Um but um yeah, we'll see [clears throat] you in the new year. [clears throat] you in the new year. [clears throat] you in the new year. Happy new year. I think Happy new year. I think Happy new year. I think >> merry new year. >> merry new year. >> merry new year. >> Merry new year. >> Merry new year. >> Merry new year. >> Will you be traveling to the city of >> Will you be traveling to the city of >> Will you be traveling to the city of brotherly love? [laughter] brotherly love? [laughter] brotherly love? [laughter] >> LIONEL. >> All right, [clears throat] guys. See >> All right, [clears throat] guys. See you. The end.