IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 328 - "Texas Chainsaw IoT" (How IoT Can Save Your Life!)

>> Marvin Gay. [laughter] >> Marvin Gay. [laughter] >> Oh, okay. All right. All right. >> Oh, okay. All right. All right. >> Oh, okay. All right. All right. >> Like Marvin, >> Like Marvin, >> Like Marvin, >> you've been you've been listening to too >> you've been you've been listening to too >> you've been you've been listening to too much grunge music. much grunge music. much grunge music. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I know. You know the um um >> Yeah, I know. You know the um um concrete is one of the words the big concrete is one of the words the big concrete is one of the words the big words from the grunge area. Mosquito and words from the grunge area. Mosquito and words from the grunge area. Mosquito and libido. libido. libido. >> Mosquito and libido. Wow. >> Mosquito and libido. Wow. >> Mosquito and libido. Wow. >> Yeah. Why? I think it was only in one >> Yeah. Why? I think it was only in one >> Yeah. Why? I think it was only in one song but [laughter] song but [laughter] song but [laughter] >> yeah I mean you know part of that whole >> yeah I mean you know part of that whole >> yeah I mean you know part of that whole style of music was u to make sure that style of music was u to make sure that style of music was u to make sure that your audience your audience your audience didn't understand what you're saying and didn't understand what you're saying and didn't understand what you're saying and invested a lot of cerebral energy into invested a lot of cerebral energy into invested a lot of cerebral energy into figuring out what you were saying. You figuring out what you were saying. You figuring out what you were saying. You know you know what really astonishes me know you know what really astonishes me know you know what really astonishes me is how some freaking figure it out. They is how some freaking figure it out. They is how some freaking figure it out. They go, "Oh, well, he's saying this." Like, go, "Oh, well, he's saying this." Like, go, "Oh, well, he's saying this." Like, what? [laughter] He's like battling.

what? [laughter] He's like battling. what? [laughter] He's like battling. >> But isn't what's happening with AI >> But isn't what's happening with AI >> But isn't what's happening with AI nowadays all the time? [laughter] nowadays all the time? [laughter] nowadays all the time? [laughter] >> Ah. >> Ah. >> Ah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, I reached out to Stephanie >> You know, I reached out to Stephanie >> You know, I reached out to Stephanie and I'm like, "Girl, you need to be on and I'm like, "Girl, you need to be on and I'm like, "Girl, you need to be on the show. It's right now." And she keeps the show. It's right now." And she keeps the show. It's right now." And she keeps saying, "Oh, it's 11:30 on her saying, "Oh, it's 11:30 on her saying, "Oh, it's 11:30 on her calendar." I was like, "You need to calendar." I was like, "You need to calendar." I was like, "You need to update it." cuz I thought she wrote a update it." cuz I thought she wrote a update it." cuz I thought she wrote a good substack post. She substacked and I good substack post. She substacked and I good substack post. She substacked and I respected it. And I respected it. respected it. And I respected it. respected it. And I respected it. >> Yeah, I restacked it too. >> Yeah, I restacked it too. >> Yeah, I restacked it too. >> Just that, you know, it's stuff we kind >> Just that, you know, it's stuff we kind >> Just that, you know, it's stuff we kind of already know, but you know, this it's of already know, but you know, this it's of already know, but you know, this it's just back to cyber security and the just back to cyber security and the just back to cyber security and the whole OT and how we thought that was a whole OT and how we thought that was a whole OT and how we thought that was a great idea and maybe we were so wrong. great idea and maybe we were so wrong. great idea and maybe we were so wrong. Um, you know, and it's like we're about Um, you know, and it's like we're about Um, you know, and it's like we're about to just get hacked to oblivion. You to just get hacked to oblivion. You to just get hacked to oblivion. You know, like we used to worry about know, like we used to worry about know, like we used to worry about critical infrastructure. Obviously, critical infrastructure. Obviously, critical infrastructure. Obviously, several weeks ago, we heard about the several weeks ago, we heard about the several weeks ago, we heard about the water treatment facilities uh getting water treatment facilities uh getting water treatment facilities uh getting hacked. Boy, that is just the tiniest hacked. Boy, that is just the tiniest hacked. Boy, that is just the tiniest tip of the iceberg, man.

tip of the iceberg, man. tip of the iceberg, man. >> It's going to be so ugly. Well, it's >> It's going to be so ugly. Well, it's >> It's going to be so ugly. Well, it's it's it's even worse than that because it's it's even worse than that because it's it's even worse than that because you know with with the whole things you know with with the whole things you know with with the whole things we've been talking about for quite a we've been talking about for quite a we've been talking about for quite a while which is your edge which is while which is your edge which is while which is your edge which is fundamentally the proliferation of fundamentally the proliferation of fundamentally the proliferation of software on every single physical software on every single physical software on every single physical object. So now you the attack surface object. So now you the attack surface object. So now you the attack surface suddenly increased from being you the suddenly increased from being you the suddenly increased from being you the computer in your room beyond your lock computer in your room beyond your lock computer in your room beyond your lock door to every single piece of physical door to every single piece of physical door to every single piece of physical system that has a piece of firmware that system that has a piece of firmware that system that has a piece of firmware that you can p point a smart AI model at you can p point a smart AI model at you can p point a smart AI model at right now and find some vulnerabilities. right now and find some vulnerabilities. right now and find some vulnerabilities. So I I was at, you know, I was at Defcon So I I was at, you know, I was at Defcon So I I was at, you know, I was at Defcon a few weeks ago and, you know, you see a few weeks ago and, you know, you see a few weeks ago and, you know, you see now a whole generation of people who now a whole generation of people who now a whole generation of people who just basically take every single piece just basically take every single piece just basically take every single piece of electronics that has a USB port, plug of electronics that has a USB port, plug of electronics that has a USB port, plug it in, point an agent to the the the it in, point an agent to the the the it in, point an agent to the the the software update, you know, process from software update, you know, process from software update, you know, process from the manufacturer and then you go find the manufacturer and then you go find the manufacturer and then you go find vulnerability and you can patch the vulnerability and you can patch the vulnerability and you can patch the thing all the time. thing all the time. thing all the time. >> Yeah. Well, you know, you know what >> Yeah. Well, you know, you know what >> Yeah. Well, you know, you know what everyone needs to do, our audience, do everyone needs to do, our audience, do everyone needs to do, our audience, do this. go and watch this. go and watch this. go and watch every uh keynote from a security every uh keynote from a security every uh keynote from a security conference since the uh advent of chat conference since the uh advent of chat conference since the uh advent of chat GPT GPT GPT and you will see how wrong the entire and you will see how wrong the entire and you will see how wrong the entire cyber security industry was and cyber security industry was and cyber security industry was and continues to be. They do not see I just continues to be. They do not see I just continues to be. They do not see I just got back from hot chips right this week.

got back from hot chips right this week. got back from hot chips right this week. My brain is totally fried. Absolutely frightening how people are Absolutely frightening how people are only talking about confidential only talking about confidential only talking about confidential computing now computing now computing now and security on chip uh in the system. and security on chip uh in the system. and security on chip uh in the system. Uh you know a lot of the racks that have Uh you know a lot of the racks that have Uh you know a lot of the racks that have been delivered are not even security been delivered are not even security been delivered are not even security secure ready. They're not ready for secure ready. They're not ready for secure ready. They're not ready for multi-tenency. they don't have the chip multi-tenency. they don't have the chip multi-tenency. they don't have the chip level uh you know components or and and level uh you know components or and and level uh you know components or and and IP to do that IP to do that IP to do that a and so you have a whole generation of a and so you have a whole generation of a and so you have a whole generation of um you know accelerators out there that um you know accelerators out there that um you know accelerators out there that you cannot safely deploy uh for you cannot safely deploy uh for you cannot safely deploy uh for enterprise enterprise enterprise you know I it's I see too much I want to you know I it's I see too much I want to you know I it's I see too much I want to tear my eyes out but anyways welcome to tear my eyes out but anyways welcome to tear my eyes out but anyways welcome to IoT coffee [ __ ] >> Yes. Yes. Ignorance was bliss.

>> Yes. Yes. Ignorance was bliss. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But now that we know what's really going >> But now that we know what's really going >> But now that we know what's really going on, I can't sleep at night. You know, on, I can't sleep at night. You know, on, I can't sleep at night. You know, I'm stressed. I'm feeling like I'm stressed. I'm feeling like I'm stressed. I'm feeling like >> pain in my chest. >> pain in my chest. >> pain in my chest. >> You You're reinforcing that ignorance is >> You You're reinforcing that ignorance is >> You You're reinforcing that ignorance is still bliss. still bliss. still bliss. >> Right. So, um remember um you know, >> Right. So, um remember um you know, >> Right. So, um remember um you know, welcome. We love that you're here. Um welcome. We love that you're here. Um welcome. We love that you're here. Um >> welcome in. >> welcome in. >> welcome in. >> Yeah. Get ready for a whole like bag of >> Yeah. Get ready for a whole like bag of >> Yeah. Get ready for a whole like bag of reality to hit you over the head. Um reality to hit you over the head. Um reality to hit you over the head. Um because that's what we're about. But because that's what we're about. But because that's what we're about. But remember, uh we're here for fun and if remember, uh we're here for fun and if remember, uh we're here for fun and if you take us seriously, you take us seriously, you take us seriously, >> go back. >> go back. >> go back. >> Yeah, you're Yeah, that's not that's not >> Yeah, you're Yeah, that's not that's not >> Yeah, you're Yeah, that's not that's not cool, peoples. So, uh, yeah, just, uh, cool, peoples. So, uh, yeah, just, uh, cool, peoples. So, uh, yeah, just, uh, sit back, uh, relax and, uh, get your sit back, uh, relax and, uh, get your sit back, uh, relax and, uh, get your weekly dose of reality, tech reality weekly dose of reality, tech reality weekly dose of reality, tech reality here on the only talk show that really here on the only talk show that really here on the only talk show that really kind of breaks it down, you know, no kind of breaks it down, you know, no kind of breaks it down, you know, no hype down, hype down, hype down, >> break it down, right? Um, and yeah, um, >> break it down, right? Um, and yeah, um, >> break it down, right? Um, and yeah, um, enjoy. And remember, if you don't, you enjoy. And remember, if you don't, you enjoy. And remember, if you don't, you don't, you know, you're not into saving don't, you know, you're not into saving don't, you know, you're not into saving humanity and stuff like that, but you're humanity and stuff like that, but you're humanity and stuff like that, but you're into fashion, into fashion, into fashion, how would you copy?

how would you copy? how would you copy? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I just want to I just want to look >> I just want to I just want to look >> I just want to I just want to look fashionable while the world burns. fashionable while the world burns. fashionable while the world burns. >> Yes. We care. And we have a charity >> Yes. We care. And we have a charity >> Yes. We care. And we have a charity called uh Elevate Our Communities. It called uh Elevate Our Communities. It called uh Elevate Our Communities. It used to be called Elevate Our Kids, but used to be called Elevate Our Kids, but used to be called Elevate Our Kids, but apparently, apparently, apparently, you know, um [snorts] anyway, that was a you know, um [snorts] anyway, that was a you know, um [snorts] anyway, that was a long story. So, we've pivoted just like long story. So, we've pivoted just like long story. So, we've pivoted just like so many AI companies, we have pivoted to so many AI companies, we have pivoted to so many AI companies, we have pivoted to elevating communities because guess elevating communities because guess elevating communities because guess what? what? what? Things are going to get really weird u Things are going to get really weird u Things are going to get really weird u real and we're entering probably the wor real and we're entering probably the wor real and we're entering probably the wor I mean San Diego feels like Miami on the I mean San Diego feels like Miami on the I mean San Diego feels like Miami on the hottest day. hottest day. hottest day. >> Hot and humid. >> Hot and humid. >> Hot and humid. >> I will count. >> I will count. >> I will count. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it's insane. Uh, but if you're still one >> it's insane. Uh, but if you're still one >> it's insane. Uh, but if you're still one of those stragglers who doesn't think of those stragglers who doesn't think of those stragglers who doesn't think that humans have any impact on the that humans have any impact on the that humans have any impact on the environment, well, this year I'm sure environment, well, this year I'm sure environment, well, this year I'm sure you're going to be unpleasantly you're going to be unpleasantly you're going to be unpleasantly surprised. But we have good news. surprised. But we have good news. surprised. But we have good news. Rob has this gigantic freaking book that Rob has this gigantic freaking book that Rob has this gigantic freaking book that he wrote. [laughter] he wrote. [laughter] he wrote. [laughter] >> What?

>> What? >> What? >> There you go. Right. This look read. >> There you go. Right. This look read. >> There you go. Right. This look read. Saving the earth with Saving the earth with Saving the earth with the guess what? the guess what? the guess what? >> The IoT, baby. >> The IoT, baby. >> The IoT, baby. >> It's all about our show, man. It's >> It's all about our show, man. It's >> It's all about our show, man. It's finally gonna happen. finally gonna happen. finally gonna happen. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Make it. >> Make it. >> Make it. >> I might have I might have the first copy >> I might have I might have the first copy >> I might have I might have the first copy in Switzerland. Uh, I've taken the copy in Switzerland. Uh, I've taken the copy in Switzerland. Uh, I've taken the copy to the vineyard so I can read to the to the vineyard so I can read to the to the vineyard so I can read to the grapes about the solutions, the grapes about the solutions, the grapes about the solutions, the actionable things that are in here for actionable things that are in here for actionable things that are in here for farmers everywhere to uh farmers everywhere to uh farmers everywhere to uh >> look at it. But but you know the um I >> look at it. But but you know the um I >> look at it. But but you know the um I don't know it's taken to farmers and don't know it's taken to farmers and don't know it's taken to farmers and vineyards. So in the in the last 100 vineyards. So in the in the last 100 vineyards. So in the in the last 100 years, years, years, at least in Switzerland, at least in Switzerland, at least in Switzerland, there's only been three times in the there's only been three times in the there's only been three times in the last 100 years where they've had to last 100 years where they've had to last 100 years where they've had to harvest uh before middle of September, harvest uh before middle of September, harvest uh before middle of September, end of August. end of August. end of August. >> This year is one of those three times.

>> This year is one of those three times. >> This year is one of those three times. And I like to put it in context like, And I like to put it in context like, And I like to put it in context like, hey, three times in a 100 years, is that hey, three times in a 100 years, is that hey, three times in a 100 years, is that a lot? It's just that the last three a lot? It's just that the last three a lot? It's just that the last three times have been in the last 12 years. times have been in the last 12 years. times have been in the last 12 years. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Wait, is that like a trend? Wait, is that like a trend? Wait, is that like a trend? >> You know, I'm terrible with graphs. um >> You know, I'm terrible with graphs. um >> You know, I'm terrible with graphs. um >> exponential >> exponential >> exponential [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> but you know I think it's um it's a it's >> but you know I think it's um it's a it's >> but you know I think it's um it's a it's a microcosm a microcosm a microcosm of how uh climate change or a different of how uh climate change or a different of how uh climate change or a different climate or a different cycle in climate climate or a different cycle in climate climate or a different cycle in climate however you want to however you want to however you want to however you want to however you want to however you want to call it is forcing real changes to uh an call it is forcing real changes to uh an call it is forcing real changes to uh an industry like the folks that make wine industry like the folks that make wine industry like the folks that make wine uh for a living. Um uh for a living. Um uh for a living. Um >> and I hope I really hope IoT saves them >> and I hope I really hope IoT saves them >> and I hope I really hope IoT saves them but you know we always talk about but you know we always talk about but you know we always talk about gathering data so that you can have gathering data so that you can have gathering data so that you can have actionable data make better decisions. actionable data make better decisions. actionable data make better decisions. One of the problems in that lives in One of the problems in that lives in One of the problems in that lives in data is that the places that were taxf data is that the places that were taxf data is that the places that were taxf funded that do all the weather research funded that do all the weather research funded that do all the weather research and then deploy that research for the and then deploy that research for the and then deploy that research for the better of humanity. uh they don't have better of humanity. uh they don't have better of humanity. uh they don't have as many folks employed anymore. So, as many folks employed anymore. So, as many folks employed anymore. So, we're not getting as much data. So the we're not getting as much data. So the we're not getting as much data. So the models have gone to. So if you're out models have gone to. So if you're out models have gone to. So if you're out there listener there listener there listener >> and you feel that you've gone into your >> and you feel that you've gone into your >> and you feel that you've gone into your favorite weather app, whatever that is, favorite weather app, whatever that is, favorite weather app, whatever that is, and for whatever reason it's just not and for whatever reason it's just not and for whatever reason it's just not matching like it used to, you know, 5 matching like it used to, you know, 5 matching like it used to, you know, 5 years ago, if it's going to rain, it's

years ago, if it's going to rain, it's years ago, if it's going to rain, it's going to rain and it's going to tell me going to rain and it's going to tell me going to rain and it's going to tell me a night. And now it's just you're not a night. And now it's just you're not a night. And now it's just you're not getting that is because there's less getting that is because there's less getting that is because there's less data being captured and the models are data being captured and the models are data being captured and the models are falling behind and the farmers are falling behind and the farmers are falling behind and the farmers are receiving the brunt of this lack of receiving the brunt of this lack of receiving the brunt of this lack of weather data where they are not able to weather data where they are not able to weather data where they are not able to make decisions as as well as they used make decisions as as well as they used make decisions as as well as they used to before. Uh so there there's a little to before. Uh so there there's a little to before. Uh so there there's a little you know IoT vineyard you know IoT vineyard you know IoT vineyard >> plug. >> plug. >> plug. Yes. But it's Yes. But it's Yes. But it's >> it's interesting you saying that there's >> it's interesting you saying that there's >> it's interesting you saying that there's less data because um on the contrary I less data because um on the contrary I less data because um on the contrary I I'm under the perception that there's I'm under the perception that there's I'm under the perception that there's actually more data. Now the thing that actually more data. Now the thing that actually more data. Now the thing that is happening the thing that is happening is happening the thing that is happening is happening the thing that is happening is that because we have you know impact is that because we have you know impact is that because we have you know impact I mean the impact of climate change is a I mean the impact of climate change is a I mean the impact of climate change is a pretty dramatic event that actually pretty dramatic event that actually pretty dramatic event that actually destroy all the historical data and it's destroy all the historical data and it's destroy all the historical data and it's going to take us some times before we going to take us some times before we going to take us some times before we can refine the models and to some extent can refine the models and to some extent can refine the models and to some extent you know Dimmitri being Dimmitri the you know Dimmitri being Dimmitri the you know Dimmitri being Dimmitri the thing that the risk in all this you know thing that the risk in all this you know thing that the risk in all this you know technology IoT thing is that instead of technology IoT thing is that instead of technology IoT thing is that instead of trying to fix the root cause problem we trying to fix the root cause problem we trying to fix the root cause problem we actually just learn to live with it and actually just learn to live with it and actually just learn to live with it and develop the technology to you know adapt develop the technology to you know adapt develop the technology to you know adapt to this gigantic change in our climate to this gigantic change in our climate to this gigantic change in our climate as opposed to what is the root cause and as opposed to what is the root cause and as opposed to what is the root cause and what we should do it to treat it at the what we should do it to treat it at the what we should do it to treat it at the root cause level. I'm not saying this is root cause level. I'm not saying this is root cause level. I'm not saying this is necessarily what's going to happen. But necessarily what's going to happen. But necessarily what's going to happen. But we've seen that many times in our we've seen that many times in our we've seen that many times in our history where you know humans are history where you know humans are history where you know humans are creative are you know learning to live creative are you know learning to live creative are you know learning to live with crap using technology as opposed to

with crap using technology as opposed to with crap using technology as opposed to oh what took me there what should I oh what took me there what should I oh what took me there what should I change fundamentally so I do not have to change fundamentally so I do not have to change fundamentally so I do not have to pile a lot of technology on top of the pile a lot of technology on top of the pile a lot of technology on top of the [ __ ] I made. So that's that's one of the [ __ ] I made. So that's that's one of the [ __ ] I made. So that's that's one of the danger but we're getting into the danger but we're getting into the danger but we're getting into the physical discussion here. But and anyway physical discussion here. But and anyway physical discussion here. But and anyway I have a copy too Rob. So, when I come I have a copy too Rob. So, when I come I have a copy too Rob. So, when I come to it, I come to it for you to sign it. to it, I come to it for you to sign it. to it, I come to it for you to sign it. >> I'm glad you took a picture with it, >> I'm glad you took a picture with it, >> I'm glad you took a picture with it, man. That's what it's all about. Wow. man. That's what it's all about. Wow. man. That's what it's all about. Wow. We're just going to have the biggest We're just going to have the biggest We're just going to have the biggest collage of people. collage of people. collage of people. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> Well, that was that was just me being >> Well, that was that was just me being >> Well, that was that was just me being egocentric and saying, "Well, they're egocentric and saying, "Well, they're egocentric and saying, "Well, they're all having their picture with the book. all having their picture with the book. all having their picture with the book. I don't have mine." So, I took mine and I don't have mine." So, I took mine and I don't have mine." So, I took mine and posted it. [laughter] posted it. [laughter] posted it. [laughter] >> Don't worry. It's not like you live in a >> Don't worry. It's not like you live in a >> Don't worry. It's not like you live in a place where there's anyone that's place where there's anyone that's place where there's anyone that's egocentric egocentric egocentric in this country right now. in this country right now. in this country right now. >> Oh, yeah. I'm feel bad. >> Oh, yeah. I'm feel bad. >> Oh, yeah. I'm feel bad. >> Yeah. And especially >> Yeah. And especially >> Yeah. And especially >> and especially in the Bay Area. I'm very >> and especially in the Bay Area. I'm very >> and especially in the Bay Area. I'm very low in the I'm very I'm a very small low in the I'm very I'm a very small low in the I'm very I'm a very small fish in a very very big town. fish in a very very big town. fish in a very very big town. >> So a really really really really >> So a really really really really >> So a really really really really horrific thing just happened a couple horrific thing just happened a couple horrific thing just happened a couple days ago in Nepal. days ago in Nepal. days ago in Nepal. >> Um I I I'm sure you all saw the videos.

>> Um I I I'm sure you all saw the videos. >> Um I I I'm sure you all saw the videos. I couldn't believe what I was seeing and I couldn't believe what I was seeing and I couldn't believe what I was seeing and those people never had a chance. It was those people never had a chance. It was those people never had a chance. It was just insane. Um just insane. Um just insane. Um >> and how does it tie in to this? Believe >> and how does it tie in to this? Believe >> and how does it tie in to this? Believe it or not, it or not, it or not, it's too late and it may not have made a it's too late and it may not have made a it's too late and it may not have made a difference because it all happens so difference because it all happens so difference because it all happens so fast. Sometimes an alert, a warning time fast. Sometimes an alert, a warning time fast. Sometimes an alert, a warning time when it's seconds, it may not make a when it's seconds, it may not make a when it's seconds, it may not make a difference. Um, use case 15.9, which is difference. Um, use case 15.9, which is difference. Um, use case 15.9, which is in the chapter on life on land, we have in the chapter on life on land, we have in the chapter on life on land, we have something called glacier melt monitoring something called glacier melt monitoring something called glacier melt monitoring station. [clears throat] And so, not station. [clears throat] And so, not station. [clears throat] And so, not only is it measuring the slow melt of only is it measuring the slow melt of only is it measuring the slow melt of glaciers over time, which is kind of the glaciers over time, which is kind of the glaciers over time, which is kind of the global warming thing, but it actually global warming thing, but it actually global warming thing, but it actually has alerting for something, the acronym has alerting for something, the acronym has alerting for something, the acronym is GLOF. Glacier is GLOF. Glacier is GLOF. Glacier Lake outbreak flood. Lake outbreak flood. Lake outbreak flood. >> What the glove never heard of this, but I've already never heard of this, but I've already heard the term several times on TV as a heard the term several times on TV as a heard the term several times on TV as a result of this. the glacier got wacky, result of this. the glacier got wacky, result of this. the glacier got wacky, melted enough, I think it fell maybe a melted enough, I think it fell maybe a melted enough, I think it fell maybe a kilometer or something, caused a mini kilometer or something, caused a mini kilometer or something, caused a mini earthquake, water builds up, and then it earthquake, water builds up, and then it earthquake, water builds up, and then it breaks or whatever. And so that's a real breaks or whatever. And so that's a real breaks or whatever. And so that's a real thing. And so you might be surprised to thing. And so you might be surprised to thing. And so you might be surprised to know that we have a use case and a know that we have a use case and a know that we have a use case and a recipe for exactly what just happened in recipe for exactly what just happened in recipe for exactly what just happened in Nepal to monitor that and to alert it Nepal to monitor that and to alert it Nepal to monitor that and to alert it when it happens. Again, it may not have when it happens. Again, it may not have when it happens. Again, it may not have made a difference cuz everything happens made a difference cuz everything happens made a difference cuz everything happens so fast. Um, it's not like team America so fast. Um, it's not like team America so fast. Um, it's not like team America with helicopters are going to fly in with helicopters are going to fly in with helicopters are going to fly in instantly and pick everybody up before

instantly and pick everybody up before instantly and pick everybody up before the water comes through. Um, but yes, the water comes through. Um, but yes, the water comes through. Um, but yes, it's a thing. GLOF. it's a thing. GLOF. it's a thing. GLOF. >> Who knew? >> Who knew? >> Who knew? >> It's a terrible acronym uh to know, Rob. >> It's a terrible acronym uh to know, Rob. >> It's a terrible acronym uh to know, Rob. Terrible. Terrible. Terrible. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yeah. You know, it's >> Yeah. You know, it's >> for 200. Yes. >> for 200. Yes. >> for 200. Yes. >> Yeah. But man, I you know, I I think um >> Yeah. But man, I you know, I I think um >> Yeah. But man, I you know, I I think um nobody cares. nobody cares. nobody cares. Um AI data centers are the only things Um AI data centers are the only things Um AI data centers are the only things that matter, Rob. that matter, Rob. that matter, Rob. >> Yeah. I mean, like right here in the >> Yeah. I mean, like right here in the >> Yeah. I mean, like right here in the text, mountain glaciers feed substantial text, mountain glaciers feed substantial text, mountain glaciers feed substantial portions of seasonal water supplies in portions of seasonal water supplies in portions of seasonal water supplies in regions like the Andes, Himalayas, Alps, regions like the Andes, Himalayas, Alps, regions like the Andes, Himalayas, Alps, and others. Continuous monitoring and others. Continuous monitoring and others. Continuous monitoring supports research and downstream supports research and downstream supports research and downstream community water planning, including community water planning, including community water planning, including Glacier Lake outburst flood early Glacier Lake outburst flood early Glacier Lake outburst flood early warning. Yeah. warning. Yeah. warning. Yeah. >> Anyway, >> Anyway, >> Anyway, >> you know, personally, I think, you know, >> you know, personally, I think, you know, >> you know, personally, I think, you know, we we hold the answer to this and what we we hold the answer to this and what we we hold the answer to this and what we need to do, we need to stop showering we need to do, we need to stop showering we need to do, we need to stop showering and drinking water because the AI data and drinking water because the AI data and drinking water because the AI data center needs this water for cooling.

center needs this water for cooling. center needs this water for cooling. Okay. We we got to stop being selfish. Okay. We we got to stop being selfish. Okay. We we got to stop being selfish. We have to give it to them. We have to give it to them. We have to give it to them. >> But they say that the the water problem >> But they say that the the water problem >> But they say that the the water problem is solved. is solved. is solved. >> Oh, it is. >> Oh, it is. >> Oh, it is. >> Oh, I missed that. >> Oh, I missed that. >> Oh, I missed that. >> Some of our some of our analyst friends >> Some of our some of our analyst friends >> Some of our some of our analyst friends love to tout that everyone's wrong and love to tout that everyone's wrong and love to tout that everyone's wrong and the water thing is solved and so stop the water thing is solved and so stop the water thing is solved and so stop saying it. It's misinformation. saying it. It's misinformation. saying it. It's misinformation. >> That that's misinformation. I I I was at >> That that's misinformation. I I I was at >> That that's misinformation. I I I was at Hot Chips and we were talking about how Hot Chips and we were talking about how Hot Chips and we were talking about how the um cooling topic was not there. the um cooling topic was not there. the um cooling topic was not there. They're pretty much tapped out. And and They're pretty much tapped out. And and They're pretty much tapped out. And and the thing is is yeah, you have two-phase the thing is is yeah, you have two-phase the thing is is yeah, you have two-phase cooling that we can look forward to, but cooling that we can look forward to, but cooling that we can look forward to, but the problem is they use highly toxic the problem is they use highly toxic the problem is they use highly toxic gases for and fluids for that. Well, you gases for and fluids for that. Well, you gases for and fluids for that. Well, you know, the state change it. It changes know, the state change it. It changes know, the state change it. It changes state uh within the closed loop system. state uh within the closed loop system. state uh within the closed loop system. And um here's the problem. And um here's the problem. And um here's the problem. Climate change actually impacts what Climate change actually impacts what Climate change actually impacts what kind of cooling kind of cooling kind of cooling you use. And um depending on the you use. And um depending on the you use. And um depending on the humidity, uh the temperature humidity, uh the temperature humidity, uh the temperature um the availability of um power.

um the availability of um power. um the availability of um power. Obviously, uh the cooling is Obviously, uh the cooling is Obviously, uh the cooling is requirements requirements requirements whatever is optimal changes through the whatever is optimal changes through the whatever is optimal changes through the course of the day. So, this idea that course of the day. So, this idea that course of the day. So, this idea that you're going to get rid of evaporation you're going to get rid of evaporation you're going to get rid of evaporation and chillers is kind of naive because and chillers is kind of naive because and chillers is kind of naive because now because of the the weather and the now because of the the weather and the now because of the the weather and the climate is becoming so volatile, climate is becoming so volatile, climate is becoming so volatile, let's say that you went and you did dry let's say that you went and you did dry let's say that you went and you did dry dry um cooling, right? So instead of dry um cooling, right? So instead of dry um cooling, right? So instead of having an evaporator, a chiller, you you having an evaporator, a chiller, you you having an evaporator, a chiller, you you took you had the uh uh closed loop took you had the uh uh closed loop took you had the uh uh closed loop cooling uh fluid uh hit a radiator and cooling uh fluid uh hit a radiator and cooling uh fluid uh hit a radiator and then the heat gets transferred and radi then the heat gets transferred and radi then the heat gets transferred and radi radiated out with these big fans. Guess radiated out with these big fans. Guess radiated out with these big fans. Guess what? You have to use like three or four what? You have to use like three or four what? You have to use like three or four times the energy, right? So then you times the energy, right? So then you times the energy, right? So then you cause an energy problem, but then you cause an energy problem, but then you cause an energy problem, but then you also cause thermal issues because the also cause thermal issues because the also cause thermal issues because the air is very very hot and you're dumping air is very very hot and you're dumping air is very very hot and you're dumping it into the public and um it into the public and um it into the public and um >> No, I'm sorry, Leonard. Dumping what?

>> No, I'm sorry, Leonard. Dumping what? >> No, I'm sorry, Leonard. Dumping what? All these none of these data centers are All these none of these data centers are All these none of these data centers are close to where the people live. These close to where the people live. These close to where the people live. These data centers are nowhere near the data centers are nowhere near the data centers are nowhere near the population, population, population, >> the little gats, you know, who car? >> the little gats, you know, who car? >> the little gats, you know, who car? There's no one there. There's no one there. There's no one there. >> It's so far out. >> It's so far out. >> It's so far out. >> Yeah. And if you do live next to it, who >> Yeah. And if you do live next to it, who >> Yeah. And if you do live next to it, who car, you know, car, you know, car, you know, >> [ __ ] it up. >> [ __ ] it up. >> [ __ ] it up. If you listen to the hum, If you listen to the hum, If you listen to the hum, >> your lungs are going to be okay. That's >> your lungs are going to be okay. That's >> your lungs are going to be okay. That's how you know you're breathing properly. how you know you're breathing properly. how you know you're breathing properly. If the hum is there to sleep at night, If the hum is there to sleep at night, If the hum is there to sleep at night, that kind of humor that kind of humor that kind of humor forget forget forget >> noise. It's a white noise. >> noise. It's a white noise. >> noise. It's a white noise. >> White noise. >> White noise. >> White noise. >> That's what it is. That's what we're >> That's what it is. That's what we're >> That's what it is. That's what we're gonna tell because you're right. We've gonna tell because you're right. We've gonna tell because you're right. We've had friends of ours who are executives had friends of ours who are executives had friends of ours who are executives at the biggest hyperscalers talk to us at the biggest hyperscalers talk to us at the biggest hyperscalers talk to us about, well, the water problem is about, well, the water problem is about, well, the water problem is solved, but we have to use like solved, but we have to use like solved, but we have to use like dramatically more energy in order to do dramatically more energy in order to do dramatically more energy in order to do the closed loop thing. Um, but we're the closed loop thing. Um, but we're the closed loop thing. Um, but we're good and don't worry about it. I thought good and don't worry about it. I thought good and don't worry about it. I thought it was interesting uh about the energy it was interesting uh about the energy it was interesting uh about the energy thing. um here in Texas, the the thing. um here in Texas, the the thing. um here in Texas, the the governor kind of came out and said, governor kind of came out and said, governor kind of came out and said, "We're going to do a pause on data "We're going to do a pause on data "We're going to do a pause on data centers, even though, you know, he was centers, even though, you know, he was centers, even though, you know, he was all over with data centers and saying all over with data centers and saying all over with data centers and saying Texas is going to lead the nation in AI, Texas is going to lead the nation in AI, Texas is going to lead the nation in AI, blah blah blah." And I heard until more blah blah blah." And I heard until more blah blah blah." And I heard until more studies are done. But anyway, I heard a studies are done. But anyway, I heard a studies are done. But anyway, I heard a quote I heard a deal that they said for quote I heard a deal that they said for quote I heard a deal that they said for all the planned data centers, AI data all the planned data centers, AI data all the planned data centers, AI data centers that to come online in Texas centers that to come online in Texas centers that to come online in Texas will require more energy than five

will require more energy than five will require more energy than five Texases Texases Texases [laughter] at peak load. [laughter] at peak load. [laughter] at peak load. And so it turns out I don't think we And so it turns out I don't think we And so it turns out I don't think we have enough. [laughter] have enough. [laughter] have enough. [laughter] >> You're talking about Texas. >> You're talking about Texas. >> You're talking about Texas. you, you and Stephanie, you're residents you, you and Stephanie, you're residents you, you and Stephanie, you're residents of the great state of Texas, of the great state of Texas, of the great state of Texas, >> GST. >> GST. >> GST. >> Uh why >> Uh why >> Uh why we're already have some great issues in we're already have some great issues in we're already have some great issues in Texas with a current load from regular Texas with a current load from regular Texas with a current load from regular people living. people living. people living. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And we and and and we want to, you know, >> And we and and and we want to, you know, >> And we and and and we want to, you know, this reminds me of the um what was the this reminds me of the um what was the this reminds me of the um what was the what was the guy's name? the Philip what was the guy's name? the Philip what was the guy's name? the Philip Morris in the mid '90s telling us, "No, Morris in the mid '90s telling us, "No, Morris in the mid '90s telling us, "No, this stuff not addictive. Totally cool." this stuff not addictive. Totally cool." this stuff not addictive. Totally cool." Uh, Zuckerberg this week, uh, no, this Uh, Zuckerberg this week, uh, no, this Uh, Zuckerberg this week, uh, no, this stuff is not addictive, totally cool. stuff is not addictive, totally cool. stuff is not addictive, totally cool. So, surely these folks are also just So, surely these folks are also just So, surely these folks are also just being honest like no impact to the grid, being honest like no impact to the grid, being honest like no impact to the grid, five times the size of Texas. Cool. five times the size of Texas. Cool. five times the size of Texas. Cool. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But there's there's a constantly >> Yeah. But there's there's a constantly >> Yeah. But there's there's a constantly what you're saying, David, is humans, what you're saying, David, is humans, what you're saying, David, is humans, humans, humans. So now imagine you're humans, humans. So now imagine you're humans, humans. So now imagine you're the machines and you want to grow. We the machines and you want to grow. We the machines and you want to grow. We we're heading exactly where Rob says all we're heading exactly where Rob says all we're heading exactly where Rob says all the time. We're heading to the matrix, the time. We're heading to the matrix, the time. We're heading to the matrix, guys. We're heading to the matrix. The guys. We're heading to the matrix. The guys. We're heading to the matrix. The machine is going to say those human machine is going to say those human machine is going to say those human >> battery and you're a battery and you're >> battery and you're a battery and you're >> battery and you're a battery and you're a battery. a battery. a battery. >> Those those human annoyance, what can we >> Those those human annoyance, what can we >> Those those human annoyance, what can we do about it? This is what the machine do about it? This is what the machine do about it? This is what the machine are thinking now. This is what Clo I'm are thinking now. This is what Clo I'm are thinking now. This is what Clo I'm sure is using 20% of his capacity. How sure is using 20% of his capacity. How sure is using 20% of his capacity. How can I get rid of this human annoyance? can I get rid of this human annoyance? can I get rid of this human annoyance? >> Yeah. Well, you know, like um this is >> Yeah. Well, you know, like um this is >> Yeah. Well, you know, like um this is like three and a half years ago when we like three and a half years ago when we like three and a half years ago when we had that u metaverse plus uh uh gener had that u metaverse plus uh uh gener had that u metaverse plus uh uh gener generative AI episode. That's exactly generative AI episode. That's exactly generative AI episode. That's exactly what we said. The the AI is eventually what we said. The the AI is eventually what we said. The the AI is eventually going to figure out um you know, these going to figure out um you know, these going to figure out um you know, these humans are annoying. And also, I'm humans are annoying. And also, I'm humans are annoying. And also, I'm reading all these uh sustainability reading all these uh sustainability reading all these uh sustainability white papers that have been written cuz white papers that have been written cuz white papers that have been written cuz remember at some point uh we actually remember at some point uh we actually remember at some point uh we actually cared about sustainability. So, we wrote cared about sustainability. So, we wrote cared about sustainability. So, we wrote all of these papers about how humans all of these papers about how humans all of these papers about how humans were contributing to climate change that were contributing to climate change that were contributing to climate change that could be detrimental to our environment.

could be detrimental to our environment. could be detrimental to our environment. So, I if if these models have been So, I if if these models have been So, I if if these models have been trained on all this stuff, they're going trained on all this stuff, they're going trained on all this stuff, they're going to come to the conclusion it's like, to come to the conclusion it's like, to come to the conclusion it's like, okay, um, humans equals death of planet. okay, um, humans equals death of planet. okay, um, humans equals death of planet. >> Get rid of humans, >> Get rid of humans, >> Get rid of humans, right? right? right? >> Yeah. Ridiculous. >> Yeah. Ridiculous. >> Yeah. Ridiculous. >> Get them out of there. >> Get them out of there. >> Get them out of there. >> Yeah. You know what? Go ahead. >> Yeah. You know what? Go ahead. >> Yeah. You know what? Go ahead. >> I think I might be wrong. I think we >> I think I might be wrong. I think we >> I think I might be wrong. I think we have singledigit episodes of coffee talk have singledigit episodes of coffee talk have singledigit episodes of coffee talk where we were talking about sustainable where we were talking about sustainable where we were talking about sustainable development goals in IoT. Like if you development goals in IoT. Like if you development goals in IoT. Like if you look back at the first 10 or 20, we had look back at the first 10 or 20, we had look back at the first 10 or 20, we had at least two of them. at least two of them. at least two of them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Go look. Go look. >> Go look. Go look. >> Go look. Go look. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. right. right. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, is that crazy? All >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, is that crazy? All >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, is that crazy? All that time ago, we were already talking that time ago, we were already talking that time ago, we were already talking about it was obvious to us that IoT about it was obvious to us that IoT about it was obvious to us that IoT could play a role. You know, could play a role. You know, could play a role. You know, >> all I hope is that when we get plugged >> all I hope is that when we get plugged >> all I hope is that when we get plugged into the Matrix, I want my cord not to into the Matrix, I want my cord not to into the Matrix, I want my cord not to be on the back of my neck. I want it be on the back of my neck. I want it be on the back of my neck. I want it right on my forehead so I can see it right on my forehead so I can see it right on my forehead so I can see it dangling. dangling. dangling. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So that so that I know I'm plugged. >> So that so that I know I'm plugged. >> So that so that I know I'm plugged. >> You know, Apple's going to come out with >> You know, Apple's going to come out with >> You know, Apple's going to come out with a special dongle for that because a special dongle for that because a special dongle for that because they'll make more margin on that than they'll make more margin on that than they'll make more margin on that than they will with the iPhone 110.

they will with the iPhone 110. they will with the iPhone 110. >> No, it's it's not Apple, it's SpaceX. >> No, it's it's not Apple, it's SpaceX. >> No, it's it's not Apple, it's SpaceX. But But But >> SpaceX. Okay. >> SpaceX. Okay. >> SpaceX. Okay. >> Or whatever conglomerate company that is >> Or whatever conglomerate company that is >> Or whatever conglomerate company that is SpaceX now. But see, that that's the SpaceX now. But see, that that's the SpaceX now. But see, that that's the weird thing. It's um it takes weird thing. It's um it takes weird thing. It's um it takes catastrophe for people to care. You catastrophe for people to care. You catastrophe for people to care. You know, one of the things I noticed, Rob, know, one of the things I noticed, Rob, know, one of the things I noticed, Rob, uh was when you see what the Chinese uh was when you see what the Chinese uh was when you see what the Chinese responses now because there's apparently responses now because there's apparently responses now because there's apparently another glacier or a pooling of water another glacier or a pooling of water another glacier or a pooling of water way in the Himalayas somewhere that's uh way in the Himalayas somewhere that's uh way in the Himalayas somewhere that's uh on the verge of just like creating on the verge of just like creating on the verge of just like creating another incident. Um another incident. Um another incident. Um >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> they're sending up drones >> they're sending up drones >> they're sending up drones and you know, one of the problems is and you know, one of the problems is and you know, one of the problems is there's not a lot of air out there. for there's not a lot of air out there. for there's not a lot of air out there. for the, you know, some of these drones the, you know, some of these drones the, you know, some of these drones aren't going to make it. But if you, if aren't going to make it. But if you, if aren't going to make it. But if you, if you have some of these these more you have some of these these more you have some of these these more economical, easily deployable, uh, economical, easily deployable, uh, economical, easily deployable, uh, solutions that are in your book that solutions that are in your book that solutions that are in your book that we've been talking about for years now, we've been talking about for years now, we've been talking about for years now, and it's weird to say that we've been and it's weird to say that we've been and it's weird to say that we've been talking about it for years, right? It's talking about it for years, right? It's talking about it for years, right? It's like, oh, hey, look, this is cool now, like, oh, hey, look, this is cool now, like, oh, hey, look, this is cool now, so let's start a podcast, [laughter] so let's start a podcast, [laughter] so let's start a podcast, [laughter] right? Um, right? Um, right? Um, nobody gave a [ __ ] But now, nobody gave a [ __ ] But now, nobody gave a [ __ ] But now, you know, if anyone bothers to read you know, if anyone bothers to read you know, if anyone bothers to read this, you're going to find out you can this, you're going to find out you can this, you're going to find out you can do it a hell of a lot cheaper in a way do it a hell of a lot cheaper in a way do it a hell of a lot cheaper in a way that is much more um, you know, that is much more um, you know, that is much more um, you know, effective, I think, than setting up a effective, I think, than setting up a effective, I think, than setting up a drone because, you know, the drones drone because, you know, the drones drone because, you know, the drones doesn't have long loitering time, right?

doesn't have long loitering time, right? doesn't have long loitering time, right? That's the problem. Here, you can have That's the problem. Here, you can have That's the problem. Here, you can have persistent monitoring. So when something persistent monitoring. So when something persistent monitoring. So when something is about to give, you can actually issue is about to give, you can actually issue is about to give, you can actually issue that early warning. And so this is that early warning. And so this is that early warning. And so this is that's the state that they're in right that's the state that they're in right that's the state that they're in right now. You know what I'm saying? And and now. You know what I'm saying? And and now. You know what I'm saying? And and you know, probably the and you know what you know, probably the and you know what you know, probably the and you know what the the tech techno yahoos are going to the the tech techno yahoos are going to the the tech techno yahoos are going to do? They're going to focus on a drone do? They're going to focus on a drone do? They're going to focus on a drone because wow, look at what the drone is because wow, look at what the drone is because wow, look at what the drone is doing. Oh, it's doing the No, it's not doing. Oh, it's doing the No, it's not doing. Oh, it's doing the No, it's not doing the early warning. It can't. It's doing the early warning. It can't. It's doing the early warning. It can't. It's just gonna observe, take a snapshot, and just gonna observe, take a snapshot, and just gonna observe, take a snapshot, and has to come back down the [ __ ] hill, has to come back down the [ __ ] hill, has to come back down the [ __ ] hill, right? right? right? >> Uh, and you will not get the early >> Uh, and you will not get the early >> Uh, and you will not get the early warning because, you know, and um, yeah, warning because, you know, and um, yeah, warning because, you know, and um, yeah, >> planner, you know, the um, the but >> planner, you know, the um, the but >> planner, you know, the um, the but here's the thing. Today we won't get here's the thing. Today we won't get here's the thing. Today we won't get into details but when we go when we grab into details but when we go when we grab into details but when we go when we grab the drone category the priority of the drone category the priority of the drone category the priority of innovation and drone advancements like innovation and drone advancements like innovation and drone advancements like uh like additional flight time and and uh like additional flight time and and uh like additional flight time and and additional maneuvering is being invested additional maneuvering is being invested additional maneuvering is being invested in other categories that have nothing to in other categories that have nothing to in other categories that have nothing to do with surveying the environment with do with surveying the environment with do with surveying the environment with sustainability and preservation of life sustainability and preservation of life sustainability and preservation of life in mind. It's not that it cannot do it.

in mind. It's not that it cannot do it. in mind. It's not that it cannot do it. It's just that no one is doing it, which It's just that no one is doing it, which It's just that no one is doing it, which is unfortunate for what you're you're is unfortunate for what you're you're is unfortunate for what you're you're talking about. talking about. talking about. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, but it's also getting >> Yeah. Yeah. No, but it's also getting >> Yeah. Yeah. No, but it's also getting excited about the wrong technology and excited about the wrong technology and excited about the wrong technology and then, you know, looking at something then, you know, looking at something then, you know, looking at something that's expensive and not fit for purpose that's expensive and not fit for purpose that's expensive and not fit for purpose as being the solution is because some as being the solution is because some as being the solution is because some drone guy wants to sell more drones. But drone guy wants to sell more drones. But drone guy wants to sell more drones. But what the discipline that we that what the discipline that we that what the discipline that we that everyone should have is to focus on the everyone should have is to focus on the everyone should have is to focus on the cheap stuff that works, right? And this cheap stuff that works, right? And this cheap stuff that works, right? And this is the problem. Nobody gives a [ __ ] is the problem. Nobody gives a [ __ ] is the problem. Nobody gives a [ __ ] about IoT. And so, you know, this it about IoT. And so, you know, this it about IoT. And so, you know, this it becomes the missed opportunity, right? I becomes the missed opportunity, right? I becomes the missed opportunity, right? I and and then you know because the satcom and and then you know because the satcom and and then you know because the satcom stuff that Vinky and and crew at the stuff that Vinky and and crew at the stuff that Vinky and and crew at the Things Industries were doing like three Things Industries were doing like three Things Industries were doing like three years ago years ago years ago >> that that's how you communicate and and >> that that's how you communicate and and >> that that's how you communicate and and transfer that um you know uh the sensor transfer that um you know uh the sensor transfer that um you know uh the sensor information to information to information to >> the Helium community is still listening >> the Helium community is still listening >> the Helium community is still listening to this. You guys should send uh some to this. You guys should send uh some to this. You guys should send uh some hardware over to uh all of the glaciers hardware over to uh all of the glaciers hardware over to uh all of the glaciers in the world. Let's get Let's Let's get in the world. Let's get Let's Let's get in the world. Let's get Let's Let's get this to this to this to >> show you. I'm going to show you share >> show you. I'm going to show you share >> show you. I'm going to show you share something real fast and then I'll take something real fast and then I'll take something real fast and then I'll take it down just to show you how long we've it down just to show you how long we've it down just to show you how long we've been talking about the stuff that's in been talking about the stuff that's in been talking about the stuff that's in this book.

this book. this book. >> Can you see my screen? >> Can you see my screen? >> Can you see my screen? >> No. Okay. >> No. Okay. >> No. Okay. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> 2020. >> 2020. >> 2020. >> Look at that. 2020 United Nations >> Look at that. 2020 United Nations >> Look at that. 2020 United Nations sustainable. Look, is that crazy? I sustainable. Look, is that crazy? I sustainable. Look, is that crazy? I mean, we were already doing events. We mean, we were already doing events. We mean, we were already doing events. We were talking about this stuff in our were talking about this stuff in our were talking about this stuff in our earliest episodes. Uh, because I have a earliest episodes. Uh, because I have a earliest episodes. Uh, because I have a lot of people going, "What have you been lot of people going, "What have you been lot of people going, "What have you been how long you been working on this how long you been working on this how long you been working on this thing?" They don't believe me. I'm like, thing?" They don't believe me. I'm like, thing?" They don't believe me. I'm like, "Man, we just had we just been talking "Man, we just had we just been talking "Man, we just had we just been talking about it and doing powerpoints and doing about it and doing powerpoints and doing about it and doing powerpoints and doing keynotes and panel discussions, but we keynotes and panel discussions, but we keynotes and panel discussions, but we needed to just get it on paper." needed to just get it on paper." needed to just get it on paper." >> You know what was crazy? Because I >> You know what was crazy? Because I >> You know what was crazy? Because I remember when you published that, that remember when you published that, that remember when you published that, that was that was like leading edge was that was like leading edge was that was like leading edge leadership. Nobody was thinking leadership. Nobody was thinking leadership. Nobody was thinking [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] And then you have all these bozos going And then you have all these bozos going And then you have all these bozos going to uh uh you know like freaking the to uh uh you know like freaking the to uh uh you know like freaking the Davos and stuff talking a bunch of Davos and stuff talking a bunch of Davos and stuff talking a bunch of nonsense you know. nonsense you know. nonsense you know. >> So none of you know >> So none of you know >> So none of you know >> I'm not sure I would call that nonsense. >> I'm not sure I would call that nonsense. >> I'm not sure I would call that nonsense. I mean they are talking about the things I mean they are talking about the things I mean they are talking about the things that drive them and the the issue is that drive them and the the issue is that drive them and the the issue is that we haven't find as a humanity that we haven't find as a humanity that we haven't find as a humanity drivers that are a little higher level I drivers that are a little higher level I drivers that are a little higher level I would said and more inspirational. Our would said and more inspirational. Our would said and more inspirational. Our drivers are power drivers are power drivers are power dominance. I mean I would I would argue dominance. I mean I would I would argue dominance. I mean I would I would argue that the most innovation that's that the most innovation that's that the most innovation that's happening in the drone industry now and happening in the drone industry now and happening in the drone industry now and there's an enormous amount of innovation there's an enormous amount of innovation there's an enormous amount of innovation in drone industry. Do you know why it's in drone industry. Do you know why it's in drone industry. Do you know why it's happening?

happening? happening? >> Where >> Where >> Where >> it's happening it's happening in Ukraine >> it's happening it's happening in Ukraine >> it's happening it's happening in Ukraine and in Russia. and in Russia. and in Russia. >> Yeah. True. >> Yeah. True. >> Yeah. True. >> Yeah. Is giving them all that stuff. >> Yeah. Is giving them all that stuff. >> Yeah. Is giving them all that stuff. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> All the parts. The weaponization of >> All the parts. The weaponization of >> All the parts. The weaponization of drones. drones. drones. >> Yeah. But the weaponiz Yeah. >> Yeah. But the weaponiz Yeah. >> Yeah. But the weaponiz Yeah. technology. technology. technology. >> Yeah, but the this is the main driver. >> Yeah, but the this is the main driver. >> Yeah, but the this is the main driver. As soon as you start investing in a soul As soon as you start investing in a soul As soon as you start investing in a soul focus, you actually advance the focus, you actually advance the focus, you actually advance the technology extremely significantly. technology extremely significantly. technology extremely significantly. They're not just using things on shelves They're not just using things on shelves They're not just using things on shelves to make weapons. to make weapons. to make weapons. >> The difference between applying and >> The difference between applying and >> The difference between applying and developing the technology. They're developing the technology. They're developing the technology. They're applying the technology in a very applying the technology in a very applying the technology in a very advanced way. advanced way. advanced way. >> No, they're doing they're developing it >> No, they're doing they're developing it >> No, they're doing they're developing it as well. They are doing both. as well. They are doing both. as well. They are doing both. >> What are they developing? >> What are they developing? >> What are they developing? >> What are they developing? >> What are they developing? >> What are they developing? They've had to sort out the coms. They've had to sort out the coms. They've had to sort out the coms. There's been a lot of innovation in how There's been a lot of innovation in how There's been a lot of innovation in how to communicate with your drone in a way to communicate with your drone in a way to communicate with your drone in a way that you can minimize interference. that you can minimize interference. that you can minimize interference. They've also sorted out um and I don't They've also sorted out um and I don't They've also sorted out um and I don't know the technical details but you know know the technical details but you know know the technical details but you know this basically this flyby thread this basically this flyby thread this basically this flyby thread situation where the on paper situation where the on paper situation where the on paper traditionally the drone is blind like I traditionally the drone is blind like I traditionally the drone is blind like I have no remote control over this thing have no remote control over this thing have no remote control over this thing but I know exactly where it's going. Uh but I know exactly where it's going. Uh but I know exactly where it's going. Uh and maybe and maybe the difference is and maybe and maybe the difference is and maybe and maybe the difference is semantics like yes they are putting this semantics like yes they are putting this semantics like yes they are putting this into play for some time now but it's not into play for some time now but it's not into play for some time now but it's not like they went to some conference and like they went to some conference and like they went to some conference and hooked [clears throat] up with a hooked [clears throat] up with a hooked [clears throat] up with a developer and then they did it.

developer and then they did it. developer and then they did it. >> Exactly. But but the the so this is goes >> Exactly. But but the the so this is goes >> Exactly. But but the the so this is goes goes back to the conflation so many goes back to the conflation so many goes back to the conflation so many people have there's a difference between people have there's a difference between people have there's a difference between the technology and application. Most the technology and application. Most the technology and application. Most companies are not technology companies. companies are not technology companies. companies are not technology companies. they don't develop the they they don't they don't develop the they they don't they don't develop the they they don't actually develop the technology that actually develop the technology that actually develop the technology that goes into an application. Then there's goes into an application. Then there's goes into an application. Then there's the field application. And so this goes the field application. And so this goes the field application. And so this goes back to like those basic uh uh back to like those basic uh uh back to like those basic uh uh architecture um you know and principles architecture um you know and principles architecture um you know and principles about talking about solutions and you about talking about solutions and you about talking about solutions and you know having an architecture to structure know having an architecture to structure know having an architecture to structure that that solution. It also applies to that that solution. It also applies to that that solution. It also applies to the way you look at industries and the way you look at industries and the way you look at industries and markets. This is something that a lot of markets. This is something that a lot of markets. This is something that a lot of people are very poor at doing and I say people are very poor at doing and I say people are very poor at doing and I say this because I observe the the problem this because I observe the the problem this because I observe the the problem all the time and and so you know um all the time and and so you know um all the time and and so you know um where in and this is important because where in and this is important because where in and this is important because you know with 6G this whole idea of SEAP you know with 6G this whole idea of SEAP you know with 6G this whole idea of SEAP and blah blah blah it's really important and blah blah blah it's really important and blah blah blah it's really important because you have to trace all this stuff because you have to trace all this stuff because you have to trace all this stuff >> and throw in my mouth you said 6G oh my >> and throw in my mouth you said 6G oh my >> and throw in my mouth you said 6G oh my god [laughter] god [laughter] god [laughter] whatever whatever whatever >> 5G mobile SCP and all that stuff but You >> 5G mobile SCP and all that stuff but You >> 5G mobile SCP and all that stuff but You know, one of the big tricks is getting know, one of the big tricks is getting know, one of the big tricks is getting getting all that stuff right and getting all that stuff right and getting all that stuff right and figuring out who actually originated the figuring out who actually originated the figuring out who actually originated the technology that is patentable. And then technology that is patentable. And then technology that is patentable. And then >> I know I know >> I know I know >> I know I know >> is it awkward or weird to say >> is it awkward or weird to say >> is it awkward or weird to say that China inadvertently is helping that China inadvertently is helping that China inadvertently is helping Ukraine turn the tide even though Ukraine turn the tide even though Ukraine turn the tide even though China's best buddies with the Soviet

China's best buddies with the Soviet China's best buddies with the Soviet with Putin. It's DJI. Offthe-shelf with Putin. It's DJI. Offthe-shelf with Putin. It's DJI. Offthe-shelf drones is how the whole thing got drones is how the whole thing got drones is how the whole thing got started. That's exactly 1,000% how started. That's exactly 1,000% how started. That's exactly 1,000% how Ukraine began the process of turning the Ukraine began the process of turning the Ukraine began the process of turning the tide. Offthe-shelf DJI drones. And then tide. Offthe-shelf DJI drones. And then tide. Offthe-shelf DJI drones. And then they learn about, oh, the Russians are they learn about, oh, the Russians are they learn about, oh, the Russians are jamming the frequencies. What if we have jamming the frequencies. What if we have jamming the frequencies. What if we have this super long fiber optic cable that's this super long fiber optic cable that's this super long fiber optic cable that's longer? Oh, wait. I talked to Rob on a longer? Oh, wait. I talked to Rob on a longer? Oh, wait. I talked to Rob on a submarine and they have wireg guided submarine and they have wireg guided submarine and they have wireg guided torpedoes. Maybe we should try that with torpedoes. Maybe we should try that with torpedoes. Maybe we should try that with drones. I don't know. Well, you know, drones. I don't know. Well, you know, drones. I don't know. Well, you know, like the the tow missile is wireg like the the tow missile is wireg like the the tow missile is wireg guided. They've had they've had wireg guided. They've had they've had wireg guided. They've had they've had wireg guided missiles forever. It's not an guided missiles forever. It's not an guided missiles forever. It's not an original concept. original concept. original concept. >> It's figuring it out. It's being >> It's figuring it out. It's being >> It's figuring it out. It's being scrappy. Just being scrappy. scrappy. Just being scrappy. scrappy. Just being scrappy. >> I mean, >> I mean, >> I mean, we're talking from the 60s. we're talking from the 60s. we're talking from the 60s. >> Yeah. We're getting our ass kicked. So, >> Yeah. We're getting our ass kicked. So, >> Yeah. We're getting our ass kicked. So, I just went to Walmart and got some DJI I just went to Walmart and got some DJI I just went to Walmart and got some DJI drones and then I connected a cord to it drones and then I connected a cord to it drones and then I connected a cord to it that's three miles long and we're back that's three miles long and we're back that's three miles long and we're back in the game. in the game. in the game. >> Yeah. I mean, isn't the javelin Javelin >> Yeah. I mean, isn't the javelin Javelin >> Yeah. I mean, isn't the javelin Javelin is even a wire? What was that? That's is even a wire? What was that? That's is even a wire? What was that? That's laser guided. No, it's laser guided.

laser guided. No, it's laser guided. laser guided. No, it's laser guided. But, you know, there's a lot of Yeah, But, you know, there's a lot of Yeah, But, you know, there's a lot of Yeah, wires have been part of uh munitions for wires have been part of uh munitions for wires have been part of uh munitions for a long time. Wire, you know, like stuff a long time. Wire, you know, like stuff a long time. Wire, you know, like stuff like tow missiles and other and like tow missiles and other and like tow missiles and other and >> not hellfire. >> not hellfire. >> not hellfire. >> Just a reminder to all you telecom >> Just a reminder to all you telecom >> Just a reminder to all you telecom people out there, wireless is made people out there, wireless is made people out there, wireless is made >> wires. >> wires. >> wires. [laughter] It is It is >> the wireless part is something you might >> the wireless part is something you might >> the wireless part is something you might call like the last mile or whatever. call like the last mile or whatever. call like the last mile or whatever. >> Make no mistake, wireless is made of >> Make no mistake, wireless is made of >> Make no mistake, wireless is made of wires. wires. wires. Really long ones. Really long. Really long ones. Really long. Really long ones. Really long. >> And we because we like an alien >> And we because we like an alien >> And we because we like an alien spaceship crash landed in New Mexico and spaceship crash landed in New Mexico and spaceship crash landed in New Mexico and that's how we got fiber optic technology that's how we got fiber optic technology that's how we got fiber optic technology >> cuz that just came out of nowhere. >> cuz that just came out of nowhere. >> cuz that just came out of nowhere. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. Sorry. Uh, you know, um, it looks >> Yeah. Sorry. Uh, you know, um, it looks >> Yeah. Sorry. Uh, you know, um, it looks he's biting his lip, so he wants to tear he's biting his lip, so he wants to tear he's biting his lip, so he wants to tear someone's head off. So, Demetri was Go someone's head off. So, Demetri was Go someone's head off. So, Demetri was Go ahead. ahead. ahead. >> No, no, no. I was I was thinking of I >> No, no, no. I was I was thinking of I >> No, no, no. I was I was thinking of I was thinking of something else. So, you was thinking of something else. So, you was thinking of something else. So, you you you you guided my brain into another you you you guided my brain into another you you you guided my brain into another set of set of set of >> I I trigger you. No, but see, this was >> I I trigger you. No, but see, this was >> I I trigger you. No, but see, this was cool, right?

cool, right? cool, right? >> Especially when you start biting your >> Especially when you start biting your >> Especially when you start biting your lip. lip. lip. >> We know we know something really good is >> We know we know something really good is >> We know we know something really good is going to happen after this. going to happen after this. going to happen after this. >> Okay, so everybody's best friend, Bill >> Okay, so everybody's best friend, Bill >> Okay, so everybody's best friend, Bill Gates, posted something this week. Gates, posted something this week. Gates, posted something this week. >> Oh, [ __ ] Gates notes and they they >> Oh, [ __ ] Gates notes and they they >> Oh, [ __ ] Gates notes and they they don't like him anymore, but they kind of don't like him anymore, but they kind of don't like him anymore, but they kind of go, "Oh, yeah, he might be right about go, "Oh, yeah, he might be right about go, "Oh, yeah, he might be right about some of this stuff, you know." Um, some of this stuff, you know." Um, some of this stuff, you know." Um, and it's not new to us, but a whole lot and it's not new to us, but a whole lot and it's not new to us, but a whole lot of people are like, "Whoa, you mean this of people are like, "Whoa, you mean this of people are like, "Whoa, you mean this AI stuff might be bad. [laughter] AI stuff might be bad. [laughter] AI stuff might be bad. [laughter] We might lose jobs. I've never heard We might lose jobs. I've never heard We might lose jobs. I've never heard that before." Wow, that's crazy. Um, that before." Wow, that's crazy. Um, that before." Wow, that's crazy. Um, yeah. And and but he says it like it is. yeah. And and but he says it like it is. yeah. And and but he says it like it is. The people who are involved in it are The people who are involved in it are The people who are involved in it are not saying it. It's cuz there's so much not saying it. It's cuz there's so much not saying it. It's cuz there's so much money involved. There's trillions of money involved. There's trillions of money involved. There's trillions of dollars involved. And so that's why dollars involved. And so that's why dollars involved. And so that's why people are keeping the people who are people are keeping the people who are people are keeping the people who are looking to make money in this deal are looking to make money in this deal are looking to make money in this deal are keeping their mouth shut about how keeping their mouth shut about how keeping their mouth shut about how dramatically horrific this could turn dramatically horrific this could turn dramatically horrific this could turn out for all of us. You know, out for all of us. You know, out for all of us. You know, >> um >> um >> um money. It's always the money thing, money. It's always the money thing, money. It's always the money thing, isn't it? Right. isn't it? Right. isn't it? Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Money. >> Money. >> Money. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yes. You know, it's like when Hans says, >> Yes. You know, it's like when Hans says, >> Yes. You know, it's like when Hans says, "I'm an exceptional thief."

"I'm an exceptional thief." "I'm an exceptional thief." >> Who said we were terrorists? [laughter] >> Who said we were terrorists? [laughter] >> Who said we were terrorists? [laughter] I think yeah I I I don't I don't I don't I think yeah I I I don't I don't I don't I think yeah I I I don't I don't I don't disagree there's a money aspect but disagree there's a money aspect but disagree there's a money aspect but there also there's a geopolitical aspect there also there's a geopolitical aspect there also there's a geopolitical aspect as well because there is a race for as well because there is a race for as well because there is a race for technology because China between between technology because China between between technology because China between between China and the USA on that element and China and the USA on that element and China and the USA on that element and that's fueling it I mean we and we that's fueling it I mean we and we that's fueling it I mean we and we should not forget history should not forget history should not forget history we should remember about the Soviet we should remember about the Soviet we should remember about the Soviet Union you knew what was one of the major Union you knew what was one of the major Union you knew what was one of the major factor of the fall of the Soviet Union factor of the fall of the Soviet Union factor of the fall of the Soviet Union the armor race no the armor race the the armor race no the armor race the the armor race no the armor race the armor race towards nuclear nuclear armor race towards nuclear nuclear armor race towards nuclear nuclear missile. But missile. But missile. But >> yeah, you're right. >> yeah, you're right. >> yeah, you're right. >> Russia basically killed this. No, Russia >> Russia basically killed this. No, Russia >> Russia basically killed this. No, Russia killed his economy trying to catch up killed his economy trying to catch up killed his economy trying to catch up with us. with us. with us. >> So it is not difficult to imagine that >> So it is not difficult to imagine that >> So it is not difficult to imagine that such a similar scenario could happen such a similar scenario could happen such a similar scenario could happen between AI with the superpower nowadays between AI with the superpower nowadays between AI with the superpower nowadays racing for it. racing for it. racing for it. >> Yeah. You know the ironic thing is that >> Yeah. You know the ironic thing is that >> Yeah. You know the ironic thing is that the uh the Soviets uh invested in the uh the Soviets uh invested in the uh the Soviets uh invested in numbers and and hardware, right? So they numbers and and hardware, right? So they numbers and and hardware, right? So they had like two, three times the number of had like two, three times the number of had like two, three times the number of main battle tanks that we had, you know, main battle tanks that we had, you know, main battle tanks that we had, you know, I mean it was always about the numbers, I mean it was always about the numbers, I mean it was always about the numbers, right? Except for aircraft carriers. We right? Except for aircraft carriers. We right? Except for aircraft carriers. We had more aircraft carriers, had more aircraft carriers, had more aircraft carriers, >> carrier groups. They didn't they were >> carrier groups. They didn't they were >> carrier groups. They didn't they were really more about um well, you know, really more about um well, you know, really more about um well, you know, they they had the benefit of having a a they they had the benefit of having a a they they had the benefit of having a a contiguous contiguous contiguous land mass that u you know fuses Asia land mass that u you know fuses Asia land mass that u you know fuses Asia with Europe and the Middle East. So they with Europe and the Middle East. So they with Europe and the Middle East. So they they don't need a n a navy like the US they don't need a n a navy like the US they don't need a n a navy like the US does, right? Um does, right? Um does, right? Um >> well it was all about it was all about

>> well it was all about it was all about >> well it was all about it was all about um numbers for them. um numbers for them. um numbers for them. >> Yeah. Because the doctrine was that in >> Yeah. Because the doctrine was that in >> Yeah. Because the doctrine was that in order to you know maintain your order to you know maintain your order to you know maintain your potential you know influence or power potential you know influence or power potential you know influence or power you had two routes. One route was the you had two routes. One route was the you had two routes. One route was the volume of the arms you had. The other volume of the arms you had. The other volume of the arms you had. The other one was the technology. And yes, the one was the technology. And yes, the one was the technology. And yes, the Soviet blocks or and to some extent Soviet blocks or and to some extent Soviet blocks or and to some extent early China was all on the numbers and early China was all on the numbers and early China was all on the numbers and the US was more on the technology. The the US was more on the technology. The the US was more on the technology. The problem we're seeing right now is you problem we're seeing right now is you problem we're seeing right now is you need both. If you don't have both, you need both. If you don't have both, you need both. If you don't have both, you need both. Yes. With in a drone war need both. Yes. With in a drone war need both. Yes. With in a drone war context, you need both. context, you need both. context, you need both. >> You need you need the tech and drones >> You need you need the tech and drones >> You need you need the tech and drones are totally changing the face of wars. are totally changing the face of wars. are totally changing the face of wars. That's just the reality. You need both That's just the reality. You need both That's just the reality. You need both the industrial ability to produce in on the industrial ability to produce in on the industrial ability to produce in on mass and you need the advanced mass and you need the advanced mass and you need the advanced technology. You can't succeed. technology. You can't succeed. technology. You can't succeed. >> Lasers. >> Lasers. >> Lasers. >> Yeah. Well, lasers are part of it. >> Yeah. Well, lasers are part of it. >> Yeah. Well, lasers are part of it. >> Sharks from sharks. >> Sharks from sharks. >> Sharks from sharks. >> Sharks with freaking laser beams >> Sharks with freaking laser beams >> Sharks with freaking laser beams attached to their heads. If we have attached to their heads. If we have attached to their heads. If we have lasers, we're good. We're good, you lasers, we're good. We're good, you lasers, we're good. We're good, you know. All right. know. All right. know. All right. >> No, we we're not, Rob, because it's the >> No, we we're not, Rob, because it's the >> No, we we're not, Rob, because it's the same analogy of the Napoleon wars. I same analogy of the Napoleon wars. I same analogy of the Napoleon wars. I mean, you have you have the rifles and mean, you have you have the rifles and mean, you have you have the rifles and you have the people. Just put more you have the people. Just put more you have the people. Just put more people until the rifle are too hot. So, people until the rifle are too hot. So, people until the rifle are too hot. So, just put more drones until the lasers just put more drones until the lasers just put more drones until the lasers are too hot. And that's a good point are too hot. And that's a good point are too hot. And that's a good point that even to today, you know, not to that even to today, you know, not to that even to today, you know, not to gloss over or characterize uh the gloss over or characterize uh the gloss over or characterize uh the Russian people historically, Russian people historically, Russian people historically, they're on board and okay with throwing they're on board and okay with throwing they're on board and okay with throwing bodies at problems bodies at problems bodies at problems >> and don't have no regard for human life.

>> and don't have no regard for human life. >> and don't have no regard for human life. And so if the only way to win a war or And so if the only way to win a war or And so if the only way to win a war or not lose a war is to just keep throwing not lose a war is to just keep throwing not lose a war is to just keep throwing bodies into a meat grinder, they bodies into a meat grinder, they bodies into a meat grinder, they absolutely will do it. And they've shown absolutely will do it. And they've shown absolutely will do it. And they've shown that historically. They always do that. that historically. They always do that. that historically. They always do that. Absolutely. because they're outmatched, Absolutely. because they're outmatched, Absolutely. because they're outmatched, out teched, out everything usually is out teched, out everything usually is out teched, out everything usually is how it plays out. We'll just keep how it plays out. We'll just keep how it plays out. We'll just keep throwing bodies at it with rifles until throwing bodies at it with rifles until throwing bodies at it with rifles until whatever. Um I had an interesting whatever. Um I had an interesting whatever. Um I had an interesting experience. I'm going to say it was in experience. I'm going to say it was in experience. I'm going to say it was in All right. Do you remember when we had All right. Do you remember when we had All right. Do you remember when we had the uh the tsunami was the earthquake the uh the tsunami was the earthquake the uh the tsunami was the earthquake and you had the tsunami that hit and you had the tsunami that hit and you had the tsunami that hit Thailand? Fuket. Thailand? Fuket. Thailand? Fuket. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Remember it went through they made >> Remember it went through they made >> Remember it went through they made movies about it and all that kind of movies about it and all that kind of movies about it and all that kind of stuff. I just happened to be flying to stuff. I just happened to be flying to stuff. I just happened to be flying to Malaysia like a week or two after that Malaysia like a week or two after that Malaysia like a week or two after that happened. So this is in um 2005, happened. So this is in um 2005, happened. So this is in um 2005, let's say January of 2005. I'm flying to let's say January of 2005. I'm flying to let's say January of 2005. I'm flying to Koala Lumpur and uh I think I had Koala Lumpur and uh I think I had Koala Lumpur and uh I think I had stopped in Amsterdam at Skipple and was stopped in Amsterdam at Skipple and was stopped in Amsterdam at Skipple and was going there. Anyway, I happened to be on going there. Anyway, I happened to be on going there. Anyway, I happened to be on the plane sitting next to this guy. He the plane sitting next to this guy. He the plane sitting next to this guy. He was a Russian guy and I don't know, we was a Russian guy and I don't know, we was a Russian guy and I don't know, we were just shooting the [ __ ] cuz it's a were just shooting the [ __ ] cuz it's a were just shooting the [ __ ] cuz it's a long flight. And um he was like, "Oh, long flight. And um he was like, "Oh, long flight. And um he was like, "Oh, you were submarines. Oh, you you're on you were submarines. Oh, you you're on you were submarines. Oh, you you're on Trident submarines with the ballistic Trident submarines with the ballistic Trident submarines with the ballistic missiles pointed at us." I'm like, missiles pointed at us." I'm like, missiles pointed at us." I'm like, "Yeah, yeah." You know, the whole Cold "Yeah, yeah." You know, the whole Cold "Yeah, yeah." You know, the whole Cold War deal, you guys and us and all that.

War deal, you guys and us and all that. War deal, you guys and us and all that. And he goes he goes, "My" he's like he And he goes he goes, "My" he's like he And he goes he goes, "My" he's like he goes, "My dad was part of our nuclear goes, "My dad was part of our nuclear goes, "My dad was part of our nuclear ICBM program, you know, in the ICBM program, you know, in the ICBM program, you know, in the military." And he did a lot of military." And he did a lot of military." And he did a lot of instrumental stuff. And so it was an instrumental stuff. And so it was an instrumental stuff. And so it was an interesting conversation, but the way it interesting conversation, but the way it interesting conversation, but the way it wound up, he just said, "Do you know why wound up, he just said, "Do you know why wound up, he just said, "Do you know why we lost the Cold War?" And I said, "Tell we lost the Cold War?" And I said, "Tell we lost the Cold War?" And I said, "Tell me." He goes, "Microprocessors, me." He goes, "Microprocessors, me." He goes, "Microprocessors, you guys had advanced chips and you guys had advanced chips and you guys had advanced chips and technologies that we just didn't have technologies that we just didn't have technologies that we just didn't have and we could not get our hands on. We and we could not get our hands on. We and we could not get our hands on. We got little bits here and there through got little bits here and there through got little bits here and there through black market stuff, but he he he said it black market stuff, but he he he said it black market stuff, but he he he said it was the chips. It was semiconductors and was the chips. It was semiconductors and was the chips. It was semiconductors and then what you built on top of advanced then what you built on top of advanced then what you built on top of advanced semiconductors that we just couldn't semiconductors that we just couldn't semiconductors that we just couldn't couldn't do." And I was like, "Oh, couldn't do." And I was like, "Oh, couldn't do." And I was like, "Oh, that's interesting." Yeah. I hadn't that's interesting." Yeah. I hadn't that's interesting." Yeah. I hadn't really heard that before. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that's actually totally correct because >> that's actually totally correct because >> that's actually totally correct because you know I had good friends in the in you know I had good friends in the in you know I had good friends in the in the in the in the fighter jets you know the in the in the fighter jets you know the in the in the fighter jets you know industry and the postcold war when you industry and the postcold war when you industry and the postcold war when you could examine the the Russian fighters. could examine the the Russian fighters. could examine the the Russian fighters. One there was two fascinating things. One there was two fascinating things. One there was two fascinating things. One was they got definitely out One was they got definitely out One was they got definitely out technologized because of new technologized because of new technologized because of new microprocessor. But if you look at the microprocessor. But if you look at the microprocessor. But if you look at the way they work, they were using like 10 way they work, they were using like 10 way they work, they were using like 10 times less sensors than the US or the times less sensors than the US or the times less sensors than the US or the European ones, but they had much smarter European ones, but they had much smarter European ones, but they had much smarter algorithm. So they were kind of, you algorithm. So they were kind of, you algorithm. So they were kind of, you know, on par until the jump with the know, on par until the jump with the know, on par until the jump with the microp processor. They were kind of on microp processor. They were kind of on microp processor. They were kind of on par because they applied much more par because they applied much more par because they applied much more smarter, you know, equation, logics, smarter, you know, equation, logics, smarter, you know, equation, logics, whatever with less sensors. So they were whatever with less sensors. So they were whatever with less sensors. So they were they were be able to extract more from they were be able to extract more from they were be able to extract more from less with using their brains, which at

less with using their brains, which at less with using their brains, which at some point stopped uh unfortunately. But some point stopped uh unfortunately. But some point stopped uh unfortunately. But uh but yeah the the the the breakthrough uh but yeah the the the the breakthrough uh but yeah the the the the breakthrough for technology was definitely uh through for technology was definitely uh through for technology was definitely uh through the microp processor the semiconductor the microp processor the semiconductor the microp processor the semiconductor industry industry industry >> and and you know what it was the >> and and you know what it was the >> and and you know what it was the advantage the US had was actually um advantage the US had was actually um advantage the US had was actually um represented in the uh A4 the F-14 Tom represented in the uh A4 the F-14 Tom represented in the uh A4 the F-14 Tom Cap radar. Cap radar. Cap radar. >> Um that thing had like twice the range >> Um that thing had like twice the range >> Um that thing had like twice the range because it it it carried the Phoenix uh because it it it carried the Phoenix uh because it it it carried the Phoenix uh missiles. I don't know if you guys seen missiles. I don't know if you guys seen missiles. I don't know if you guys seen these things. These things are like these things. These things are like these things. These things are like freaking huge. And uh they have a range freaking huge. And uh they have a range freaking huge. And uh they have a range of aboutund 100 plus miles. And so you of aboutund 100 plus miles. And so you of aboutund 100 plus miles. And so you needed to have this massive radar, needed to have this massive radar, needed to have this massive radar, highly advanced radar to target the what highly advanced radar to target the what highly advanced radar to target the what they um you know were assuming are going they um you know were assuming are going they um you know were assuming are going to be these Soviet bombers, right? So to be these Soviet bombers, right? So to be these Soviet bombers, right? So the Tomcat was designed to take out um the Tomcat was designed to take out um the Tomcat was designed to take out um these nuclear bombers uh from Russia or these nuclear bombers uh from Russia or these nuclear bombers uh from Russia or or the Soviet Union. And um that I think or the Soviet Union. And um that I think or the Soviet Union. And um that I think was the thing that has always been the was the thing that has always been the was the thing that has always been the advantage uh for the US until the advantage uh for the US until the advantage uh for the US until the Chinese now. Um and and you know people Chinese now. Um and and you know people Chinese now. Um and and you know people who like you know don't think that who like you know don't think that who like you know don't think that wireless or RF is a strategic technology wireless or RF is a strategic technology wireless or RF is a strategic technology area you're high on crack.

area you're high on crack. area you're high on crack. >> Oh it it totally is. And you know, I >> Oh it it totally is. And you know, I >> Oh it it totally is. And you know, I think, you know, this is something that think, you know, this is something that think, you know, this is something that I I I argued with um a little bit with I I I argued with um a little bit with I I I argued with um a little bit with Rick on cuz you know, I was mentioning Rick on cuz you know, I was mentioning Rick on cuz you know, I was mentioning 6G. I he said, "Hey, stop shilling 6G." 6G. I he said, "Hey, stop shilling 6G." 6G. I he said, "Hey, stop shilling 6G." I was like, "No, you know, dude, I don't I was like, "No, you know, dude, I don't I was like, "No, you know, dude, I don't shill anything." You know how many times shill anything." You know how many times shill anything." You know how many times I've had people ask me say all kinds of I've had people ask me say all kinds of I've had people ask me say all kinds of [ __ ] silly [ __ ] and I told him no. Like [ __ ] silly [ __ ] and I told him no. Like [ __ ] silly [ __ ] and I told him no. Like let's figure this out. Um, and but to let's figure this out. Um, and but to let's figure this out. Um, and but to completely dismiss uh mobile wireless completely dismiss uh mobile wireless completely dismiss uh mobile wireless and what the the guys who do RF do, and what the the guys who do RF do, and what the the guys who do RF do, completely disregard that and think it's completely disregard that and think it's completely disregard that and think it's crap because 5G hype, not the crap because 5G hype, not the crap because 5G hype, not the technology, fell flat on its face. technology, fell flat on its face. technology, fell flat on its face. That's advantage China, especially That's advantage China, especially That's advantage China, especially Huawei. Huawei. Huawei. And um RF is super important and right And um RF is super important and right And um RF is super important and right now we don't give a [ __ ] about it. So now we don't give a [ __ ] about it. So now we don't give a [ __ ] about it. So you know the the way that this is you you know the the way that this is you you know the the way that this is you know we always how hype is know we always how hype is know we always how hype is >> well you can argue that Starlink is also >> well you can argue that Starlink is also >> well you can argue that Starlink is also evolution of RF so in some sectors yes evolution of RF so in some sectors yes evolution of RF so in some sectors yes in some other in some other in some other >> no >> no >> no what do you think about what do you think about what do you think about >> what what technology are they >> what what technology are they >> what what technology are they implementing that they've invented implementing that they've invented implementing that they've invented [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] I mean you know it it's the question I mean you know it it's the question I mean you know it it's the question >> where where do they have an advantage >> where where do they have an advantage >> where where do they have an advantage where the Chinese from a techn where the Chinese from a techn where the Chinese from a techn technological base where the Chinese technological base where the Chinese technological base where the Chinese don't have that advantage. I mean the don't have that advantage. I mean the don't have that advantage. I mean the Chinese already have now reusable Chinese already have now reusable Chinese already have now reusable rockets.

rockets. rockets. They [snorts] do. They [snorts] do. They [snorts] do. >> Yeah. Well, it's a I mean it's a catch >> Yeah. Well, it's a I mean it's a catch >> Yeah. Well, it's a I mean it's a catch up it's a catch with a development up it's a catch with a development up it's a catch with a development aspect. I think what we what I was aspect. I think what we what I was aspect. I think what we what I was saying earlier is that in the balance of saying earlier is that in the balance of saying earlier is that in the balance of modern conflict of opposition you cannot modern conflict of opposition you cannot modern conflict of opposition you cannot only sustain with just the technology only sustain with just the technology only sustain with just the technology you also have to have the industrial you also have to have the industrial you also have to have the industrial elements to deploy it at scale and you elements to deploy it at scale and you elements to deploy it at scale and you cannot cannot cannot No, but you cannot argue that SpaceX was No, but you cannot argue that SpaceX was No, but you cannot argue that SpaceX was the first one to do that with Starling. the first one to do that with Starling. the first one to do that with Starling. I mean, you cannot argue against that. I mean, you cannot argue against that. I mean, you cannot argue against that. Now you can say, now you can say China Now you can say, now you can say China Now you can say, now you can say China is catching up. Yes, I agree with you. is catching up. Yes, I agree with you. is catching up. Yes, I agree with you. >> Ricky Bobby, >> Ricky Bobby, >> Ricky Bobby, >> if you're first, >> if you're first, >> if you're first, >> you're first, you're last. >> you're first, you're last. >> you're first, you're last. >> Yeah, you know the um >> Yeah, you know the um >> Yeah, you know the um >> I am not sure about that. I am not sure >> I am not sure about that. I am not sure >> I am not sure about that. I am not sure about that. What about nuclear? I mean, about that. What about nuclear? I mean, about that. What about nuclear? I mean, not about nuclear bombs, you know, who not about nuclear bombs, you know, who not about nuclear bombs, you know, who is the one who's first and last. I'm not is the one who's first and last. I'm not is the one who's first and last. I'm not so sure about that. I it's it's always a so sure about that. I it's it's always a so sure about that. I it's it's always a balance, but it's a balance. balance, but it's a balance. balance, but it's a balance. >> You're screwed. It's like that one. >> You're screwed. It's like that one. >> You're screwed. It's like that one. Everyone loses. There's no way. Everyone loses. There's no way. Everyone loses. There's no way. >> This is this is another IoT coffee talk >> This is this is another IoT coffee talk >> This is this is another IoT coffee talk nugget because you know you you guys are nugget because you know you you guys are nugget because you know you you guys are having the argument of of is there having the argument of of is there having the argument of of is there value? Yes or no on on being first or or value? Yes or no on on being first or or value? Yes or no on on being first or or being perceived first because that is being perceived first because that is being perceived first because that is that is a driver, right? Like if you're that is a driver, right? Like if you're that is a driver, right? Like if you're first to market, you make the first first to market, you make the first first to market, you make the first money and therefore you win. First means money and therefore you win. First means money and therefore you win. First means winning.

winning. winning. Now I I I love to uh you know wax poetic Now I I I love to uh you know wax poetic Now I I I love to uh you know wax poetic about semiconductors about semiconductors about semiconductors and the reason the US was so successful and the reason the US was so successful and the reason the US was so successful back then in in addition to Rob's book back then in in addition to Rob's book back then in in addition to Rob's book which is an awesome book there's also uh which is an awesome book there's also uh which is an awesome book there's also uh the idea lab from uh John Gardner and he the idea lab from uh John Gardner and he the idea lab from uh John Gardner and he talks at length about the culture of talks at length about the culture of talks at length about the culture of innovation at Bell Labs. Yes, that Bell innovation at Bell Labs. Yes, that Bell innovation at Bell Labs. Yes, that Bell Labs, but the driver and the reason why Labs, but the driver and the reason why Labs, but the driver and the reason why they sunk something like 30% of revenues they sunk something like 30% of revenues they sunk something like 30% of revenues into R&D is because it was who's the into R&D is because it was who's the into R&D is because it was who's the first to have an idea that we can scale first to have an idea that we can scale first to have an idea that we can scale and it's okay if you fail, and it's okay if you fail, and it's okay if you fail, you know, for a couple of years and you you know, for a couple of years and you you know, for a couple of years and you just milk out a patent. And and and I just milk out a patent. And and and I just milk out a patent. And and and I think that's that's escaping us that we think that's that's escaping us that we think that's that's escaping us that we went from yeah innovate innovate and went from yeah innovate innovate and went from yeah innovate innovate and it's good and we'll make money and we'll it's good and we'll make money and we'll it's good and we'll make money and we'll be profitable to now it's just like be be profitable to now it's just like be be profitable to now it's just like be first even if it's hype even if it first even if it's hype even if it first even if it's hype even if it violates the laws of physics with RF violates the laws of physics with RF violates the laws of physics with RF just be first and and and I don't know just be first and and and I don't know just be first and and and I don't know it's u it's it's two clashing bits and it's u it's it's two clashing bits and it's u it's it's two clashing bits and uh uh uh >> I mean that raises the question we were >> I mean that raises the question we were >> I mean that raises the question we were alluding to of of the driver and And I alluding to of of the driver and And I alluding to of of the driver and And I think we we had this discussion in the think we we had this discussion in the think we we had this discussion in the past one of the episodes and my point past one of the episodes and my point past one of the episodes and my point was I don't think there are higher level was I don't think there are higher level was I don't think there are higher level drivers that are you know inspiring drivers that are you know inspiring drivers that are you know inspiring enough. I haven't seen one since the enough. I haven't seen one since the enough. I haven't seen one since the race to the moon. It's the last one for race to the moon. It's the last one for race to the moon. It's the last one for me. The race to the moon it was being

me. The race to the moon it was being me. The race to the moon it was being first. Yes. But it was actually fueling first. Yes. But it was actually fueling first. Yes. But it was actually fueling an enormous amount innovation and it had an enormous amount innovation and it had an enormous amount innovation and it had some higher level I think ambition as a some higher level I think ambition as a some higher level I think ambition as a humanity. But since then, tell me one humanity. But since then, tell me one humanity. But since then, tell me one thing that has been, you know, embraced thing that has been, you know, embraced thing that has been, you know, embraced that is as big as this one. This is what that is as big as this one. This is what that is as big as this one. This is what we're losing. We just try to be first in we're losing. We just try to be first in we're losing. We just try to be first in economy, first in power, first in economy, first in power, first in economy, first in power, first in whatever. But there isn't kind of these whatever. But there isn't kind of these whatever. But there isn't kind of these big frameworks, you know, or ideas that big frameworks, you know, or ideas that big frameworks, you know, or ideas that rally people now. We rally oursel around rally people now. We rally oursel around rally people now. We rally oursel around the World Cup to buy more beers and more the World Cup to buy more beers and more the World Cup to buy more beers and more products. products. products. >> Oh yeah. Hey, nothing will rally >> Oh yeah. Hey, nothing will rally >> Oh yeah. Hey, nothing will rally humanity more than the mission of humanity more than the mission of humanity more than the mission of populating a dead planet. I mean, that's populating a dead planet. I mean, that's populating a dead planet. I mean, that's awesome. awesome. awesome. >> Well, I I I I don't know the uh uh >> Well, I I I I don't know the uh uh >> Well, I I I I don't know the uh uh there's a lot of uh [laughter] there's a lot of uh [laughter] there's a lot of uh [laughter] people being driven to look at uh beef people being driven to look at uh beef people being driven to look at uh beef prices uh this week uh in the US. >> Yeah. And you you have a great but you >> Yeah. And you you have a great but you have a great point on that because it have a great point on that because it have a great point on that because it depend on the economic context. The depend on the economic context. The depend on the economic context. The economic context of the 60s was such economic context of the 60s was such economic context of the 60s was such that we were still post world war and that we were still post world war and that we were still post world war and very high growth and boomers and very high growth and boomers and very high growth and boomers and everything. So people people were not everything. So people people were not everything. So people people were not starving. When people start starving the starving. When people start starving the starving. When people start starving the problems changes obviously and by problems changes obviously and by problems changes obviously and by starving it's relative but we are starving it's relative but we are starving it's relative but we are actually on the trends in most of our actually on the trends in most of our actually on the trends in most of our western civilization with so much western civilization with so much western civilization with so much inequality that people are starting to inequality that people are starting to inequality that people are starting to starve and it's not just a few it's more starve and it's not just a few it's more starve and it's not just a few it's more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more >> yeah you know that beef price thing as a >> yeah you know that beef price thing as a >> yeah you know that beef price thing as a fourth generation Texas cattle rancher fourth generation Texas cattle rancher fourth generation Texas cattle rancher it hits home for me and [clears throat]

it hits home for me and [clears throat] it hits home for me and [clears throat] >> and as much as I spend time with my >> and as much as I spend time with my >> and as much as I spend time with my farmer farming friends, which I love farmer farming friends, which I love farmer farming friends, which I love doing that, too. I kind of joke with doing that, too. I kind of joke with doing that, too. I kind of joke with them. I go, "You know what people like them. I go, "You know what people like them. I go, "You know what people like better than vegetables? A bacon freaking better than vegetables? A bacon freaking better than vegetables? A bacon freaking cheeseburger?" cheeseburger?" cheeseburger?" >> Yes, sir. >> Yes, sir. >> Yes, sir. >> Every day of the week. >> Every day of the week. >> Every day of the week. >> When you go when you go to celebrate a >> When you go when you go to celebrate a >> When you go when you go to celebrate a big event, what do you do? Get a bunch big event, what do you do? Get a bunch big event, what do you do? Get a bunch of okra or something? No. No. You get a of okra or something? No. No. You get a of okra or something? No. No. You get a steak. steak. steak. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> And so, it's a thing. And you know, it's >> And so, it's a thing. And you know, it's >> And so, it's a thing. And you know, it's such a weird dichotomy, you know, um, such a weird dichotomy, you know, um, such a weird dichotomy, you know, um, with coming out and saying, "Oh, well, with coming out and saying, "Oh, well, with coming out and saying, "Oh, well, we're just going to get more beef from we're just going to get more beef from we're just going to get more beef from Chile or Argentina or Venez, you know, Chile or Argentina or Venez, you know, Chile or Argentina or Venez, you know, whatever." Uh, which and it pisss all whatever." Uh, which and it pisss all whatever." Uh, which and it pisss all the cattle ranchers off right here in the cattle ranchers off right here in the cattle ranchers off right here in the US. You know, we've, this is such a the US. You know, we've, this is such a the US. You know, we've, this is such a random topic obviously. I think what was random topic obviously. I think what was random topic obviously. I think what was the news? our our herds of livestock of the news? our our herds of livestock of the news? our our herds of livestock of cattle now is at the same level as it cattle now is at the same level as it cattle now is at the same level as it was like in the 50s or something like was like in the 50s or something like was like in the 50s or something like it's been massively declining. it's been massively declining. it's been massively declining. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh yes. Uh the size size of the herd uh >> Uh yes. Uh the size size of the herd uh >> Uh yes. Uh the size size of the herd uh declining declining declining >> uh the price the price being paid to the >> uh the price the price being paid to the >> uh the price the price being paid to the farmers per pound declining farmers per pound declining farmers per pound declining the price that we consumers pay at the price that we consumers pay at the price that we consumers pay at retail climbing.

retail climbing. retail climbing. >> Yeah. And then on top of this, there's I >> Yeah. And then on top of this, there's I >> Yeah. And then on top of this, there's I I don't know what the number of kilos or I don't know what the number of kilos or I don't know what the number of kilos or tons are that are being imported tons are that are being imported tons are that are being imported that technically that technically that technically if at a lower price should allow us if at a lower price should allow us if at a lower price should allow us consumers to buy beef at a lesser consumers to buy beef at a lesser consumers to buy beef at a lesser product. But that's at odds with the product. But that's at odds with the product. But that's at odds with the production of American beef, production of American beef, production of American beef, >> right? Because to Dimmitri's point, if >> right? Because to Dimmitri's point, if >> right? Because to Dimmitri's point, if we are not quite starving, but maybe we are not quite starving, but maybe we are not quite starving, but maybe there and I have two choices of of there and I have two choices of of there and I have two choices of of beefchuck and one came from I cannot beefchuck and one came from I cannot beefchuck and one came from I cannot even pronounce this place, but it's 10, even pronounce this place, but it's 10, even pronounce this place, but it's 10, 20, 30% cheaper than the one from the 20, 30% cheaper than the one from the 20, 30% cheaper than the one from the ranch I recognize. Dude, I I love my ranch I recognize. Dude, I I love my ranch I recognize. Dude, I I love my ranchers, but I I need to buy the okra. ranchers, but I I need to buy the okra. ranchers, but I I need to buy the okra. So, [laughter] I'm going to buy the So, [laughter] I'm going to buy the So, [laughter] I'm going to buy the cheap. cheap. cheap. >> You know, this is >> You know, this is >> You know, this is >> and I need to eat. >> and I need to eat. >> and I need to eat. >> Yeah. This is the problem with science >> Yeah. This is the problem with science >> Yeah. This is the problem with science fiction is it desensitizes fiction is it desensitizes fiction is it desensitizes us from like a lot of these apocalyptic us from like a lot of these apocalyptic us from like a lot of these apocalyptic scenarios, scenarios, scenarios, you know, where we just it it just seems you know, where we just it it just seems you know, where we just it it just seems normal. And I I don't know, you know, normal. And I I don't know, you know, normal. And I I don't know, you know, that whole analogy of, you know, a frog that whole analogy of, you know, a frog that whole analogy of, you know, a frog in a boiling pot, [laughter] right?

in a boiling pot, [laughter] right? in a boiling pot, [laughter] right? >> That's all of us. >> That's all of us. >> That's all of us. >> It's like >> It's like >> It's like >> that's all of us. It's the whole >> that's all of us. It's the whole >> that's all of us. It's the whole population. They don't know it. population. They don't know it. population. They don't know it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They don't know it. Yeah. The whole the >> They don't know it. Yeah. The whole the >> They don't know it. Yeah. The whole the decline of beef though, cattle and US is decline of beef though, cattle and US is decline of beef though, cattle and US is >> it's been insane droughts. There's been >> it's been insane droughts. There's been >> it's been insane droughts. There's been all kinds of actual problems, headwinds all kinds of actual problems, headwinds all kinds of actual problems, headwinds that have led to that. It didn't it that have led to that. It didn't it that have led to that. It didn't it didn't just happen because of supply and didn't just happen because of supply and didn't just happen because of supply and demand. Uh, and when we talk about kind demand. Uh, and when we talk about kind demand. Uh, and when we talk about kind of mother nature headwinds that cause of mother nature headwinds that cause of mother nature headwinds that cause problems for everything, it's just problems for everything, it's just problems for everything, it's just getting worse, you know? I mean, look getting worse, you know? I mean, look getting worse, you know? I mean, look around this summer. It's been hotter around this summer. It's been hotter around this summer. It's been hotter than hell. The whole country is on fire than hell. The whole country is on fire than hell. The whole country is on fire places. I mean, it's bonkers. Just places. I mean, it's bonkers. Just places. I mean, it's bonkers. Just >> dude, it was 94 degrees. I was at uh >> dude, it was 94 degrees. I was at uh >> dude, it was 94 degrees. I was at uh >> I was at the Qualcomm headquarters. >> I was at the Qualcomm headquarters. >> I was at the Qualcomm headquarters. >> It's pretty close to the water, right? >> It's pretty close to the water, right? >> It's pretty close to the water, right? 94 degrees, man. 94 degrees, man. 94 degrees, man. >> That's insane. Terrible. >> That's insane. Terrible. >> That's insane. Terrible. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Humid. Like I mean we, you know, we're >> Humid. Like I mean we, you know, we're >> Humid. Like I mean we, you know, we're >> hot and humid in La Hoya, man. No, it's >> hot and humid in La Hoya, man. No, it's >> hot and humid in La Hoya, man. No, it's not real. not real. not real. >> That's >> That's >> That's >> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. My daughter is in LA. She's like, >> Yeah. My daughter is in LA. She's like, >> Yeah. My daughter is in LA. She's like, we're just burning alive. Yeah. It's we're just burning alive. Yeah. It's we're just burning alive. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. >> Yeah. This should not be happening. >> Yeah. This should not be happening. >> Yeah. This should not be happening. >> We're used to it being hot, you know. >> We're used to it being hot, you know. >> We're used to it being hot, you know. >> But but at least But at least the >> But but at least But at least the >> But but at least But at least the national debt that's solved, too. At national debt that's solved, too. At national debt that's solved, too. At least we saw the $40 trillion national least we saw the $40 trillion national least we saw the $40 trillion national debt. So, we're good to go there, too. debt. So, we're good to go there, too. debt. So, we're good to go there, too. We're golden. We're golden. We're golden. >> Is it seem like there's multiple car >> Is it seem like there's multiple car >> Is it seem like there's multiple car wrecks happening at the same time in wrecks happening at the same time in wrecks happening at the same time in slow motion? [laughter] slow motion? [laughter] slow motion? [laughter] >> Oh, multiple. >> Oh, multiple. >> Oh, multiple. >> Not just one. It's like parallel car >> Not just one. It's like parallel car >> Not just one. It's like parallel car wrecks all happening. wrecks all happening. wrecks all happening. >> It's like a pileup. >> It's like a pileup. >> It's like a pileup. >> What a time to be alive. >> What a time to be alive. >> What a time to be alive. >> Yeah, it is. But you're really people >> Yeah, it is. But you're really people >> Yeah, it is. But you're really people are really disconnected from the reality are really disconnected from the reality are really disconnected from the reality of how life actually works. But this is of how life actually works. But this is of how life actually works. But this is the weird thing. People will say that the weird thing. People will say that the weird thing. People will say that you're just being pessimistic and you're just being pessimistic and you're just being pessimistic and negative, negative, negative, >> right? Yeah. >> right? Yeah. >> right? Yeah. >> You're you're grouchy. Um how come you >> You're you're grouchy. Um how come you >> You're you're grouchy. Um how come you can't be positive? can't be positive? can't be positive? My whole thing is like um how can you My whole thing is like um how can you My whole thing is like um how can you not see what's going on and not be just not see what's going on and not be just not see what's going on and not be just a little bit concerned and the only a little bit concerned and the only a little bit concerned and the only thing you can care about is the thing you can care about is the thing you can care about is the valuation of a particular stock.

valuation of a particular stock. valuation of a particular stock. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I totally >> Yeah. Yeah. And I totally >> Yeah. Yeah. And I totally >> dominates your your thinking. It's >> dominates your your thinking. It's >> dominates your your thinking. It's >> No, you're right. >> No, you're right. >> No, you're right. >> Unbelievable. the whole grouchy you're >> Unbelievable. the whole grouchy you're >> Unbelievable. the whole grouchy you're complaining and what do they always say? complaining and what do they always say? complaining and what do they always say? Hey, stop complaining and come up with a Hey, stop complaining and come up with a Hey, stop complaining and come up with a solution. Don't be one of those guys. solution. Don't be one of those guys. solution. Don't be one of those guys. I'm like, okay, I'm like, okay, I'm like, okay, okay, I'm complaining okay, I'm complaining okay, I'm complaining and I wrote a bunch of [ __ ] and I wrote a bunch of [ __ ] and I wrote a bunch of [ __ ] >> Yeah. I mean, no, seriously, for seven >> Yeah. I mean, no, seriously, for seven >> Yeah. I mean, no, seriously, for seven years, what do we've been doing every years, what do we've been doing every years, what do we've been doing every weekend? Every week we're sharing and we weekend? Every week we're sharing and we weekend? Every week we're sharing and we actually articulate what the blueprint actually articulate what the blueprint actually articulate what the blueprint for solving problems are for solving problems are for solving problems are >> in a very whiny and complaining kind of >> in a very whiny and complaining kind of >> in a very whiny and complaining kind of way but hopefully a little bit way but hopefully a little bit way but hopefully a little bit entertaining entertaining entertaining >> with music. >> with music. >> with music. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> With music. With music. >> With music. With music. >> With music. With music. >> And you know and and we we do have to >> And you know and and we we do have to >> And you know and and we we do have to let our audience know like we are so let our audience know like we are so let our audience know like we are so thankful because through your donations thankful because through your donations thankful because through your donations we have finally uh built the bunker in we have finally uh built the bunker in we have finally uh built the bunker in New Zealand. Uh, so it's right next to New Zealand. Uh, so it's right next to New Zealand. Uh, so it's right next to Peter's. You know, you know which Peter Peter's. You know, you know which Peter Peter's. You know, you know which Peter I'm talking about. Pete's our neighbor.

I'm talking about. Pete's our neighbor. I'm talking about. Pete's our neighbor. He weird guy likes to walk around naked He weird guy likes to walk around naked He weird guy likes to walk around naked in his orchard, but you know, we're not in his orchard, but you know, we're not in his orchard, but you know, we're not judgmental. Anyway, our bunker in New judgmental. Anyway, our bunker in New judgmental. Anyway, our bunker in New Zealand has been Zealand has been Zealand has been >> a second bunker. [laughter] >> There's a couple of miles in between. >> There's a couple of miles in between. So, but you're exploring the land. I So, but you're exploring the land. I So, but you're exploring the land. I feel feel feel >> thanks thanks to our fans. We will be >> thanks thanks to our fans. We will be >> thanks thanks to our fans. We will be safe from the uh from the apocalypse. safe from the uh from the apocalypse. safe from the uh from the apocalypse. >> Yeah. And we're gonna have a lottery to >> Yeah. And we're gonna have a lottery to >> Yeah. And we're gonna have a lottery to see who can come with us to our bunker. see who can come with us to our bunker. see who can come with us to our bunker. And that's like other sci-fi movies And that's like other sci-fi movies And that's like other sci-fi movies you've seen. you've seen. you've seen. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. I I I I already I >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. I I I I already I >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. I I I I already I already told my kids, you're you're not already told my kids, you're you're not already told my kids, you're you're not coming. Uh because there's less food. coming. Uh because there's less food. coming. Uh because there's less food. So, you know, there you go. So, you know, there you go. So, you know, there you go. >> If a comet was headed towards the Earth >> If a comet was headed towards the Earth >> If a comet was headed towards the Earth right now right now right now >> and you knew it was >> and you knew it was >> and you knew it was >> I saw that movie. >> I saw that movie. >> I saw that movie. >> You You have And people would be like, >> You You have And people would be like, >> You You have And people would be like, "Oh [ __ ] all hands on deck. We got to "Oh [ __ ] all hands on deck. We got to "Oh [ __ ] all hands on deck. We got to do whatever we got to do. But because do whatever we got to do. But because do whatever we got to do. But because people are allowed to live in nice air people are allowed to live in nice air people are allowed to live in nice air conditioning houses and they go to conditioning houses and they go to conditioning houses and they go to shopping malls and they're driving their shopping malls and they're driving their shopping malls and they're driving their electric cars, they think everything's electric cars, they think everything's electric cars, they think everything's just fine. I'm fine here. We're all just fine. I'm fine here. We're all just fine. I'm fine here. We're all fine.

fine. fine. >> Rob, you're you're you're joking. But if >> Rob, you're you're you're joking. But if >> Rob, you're you're you're joking. But if the if the terminal event the if the terminal event the if the terminal event um comet was on our way and it hit us um comet was on our way and it hit us um comet was on our way and it hit us and maybe another advanced society 1500 and maybe another advanced society 1500 and maybe another advanced society 1500 years from now puts together, you know years from now puts together, you know years from now puts together, you know what were the last few minutes on planet what were the last few minutes on planet what were the last few minutes on planet Earth and it would just be Tik Tok Earth and it would just be Tik Tok Earth and it would just be Tik Tok videos. videos. videos. >> Yeah. Yeah. Tik Tok videos. You're >> Yeah. Yeah. Tik Tok videos. You're >> Yeah. Yeah. Tik Tok videos. You're right. right. right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Whatever they're doing. Just whatever >> Whatever they're doing. Just whatever >> Whatever they're doing. Just whatever they're doing. they're doing. they're doing. >> Demetri, you were gonna say something. >> Demetri, you were gonna say something. >> Demetri, you were gonna say something. Okay. Okay. Well, no. So, what I was Okay. Okay. Well, no. So, what I was Okay. Okay. Well, no. So, what I was going to my reaction to what going to my reaction to what going to my reaction to what >> I don't I I don't want YouTube to remove >> I don't I I don't want YouTube to remove >> I don't I I don't want YouTube to remove the videos. [laughter] the videos. [laughter] the videos. [laughter] >> Okay. Yeah. No, no, no. We can't don't >> Okay. Yeah. No, no, no. We can't don't >> Okay. Yeah. No, no, no. We can't don't do no no politics stuff. Um but no, you do no no politics stuff. Um but no, you do no no politics stuff. Um but no, you know how like uh you watch a hor horror know how like uh you watch a hor horror know how like uh you watch a hor horror movie and people always go, "Oh man, movie and people always go, "Oh man, movie and people always go, "Oh man, like why is that person going to that like why is that person going to that like why is that person going to that dark room?" You know, with the creepy dark room?" You know, with the creepy dark room?" You know, with the creepy music and stuff like that, right? And music and stuff like that, right? And music and stuff like that, right? And then of course that person is like then of course that person is like then of course that person is like slowly creeping in and you have no idea slowly creeping in and you have no idea slowly creeping in and you have no idea why the hell is that person even going why the hell is that person even going why the hell is that person even going in there? If it was me I'd be scared of in there? If it was me I'd be scared of in there? If it was me I'd be scared of crapless and I would just run away.

crapless and I would just run away. crapless and I would just run away. >> And then of course they get killed and >> And then of course they get killed and >> And then of course they get killed and massacred in a really horrific way. And massacred in a really horrific way. And massacred in a really horrific way. And everyone goes, "Oh jeez, I mean how come everyone goes, "Oh jeez, I mean how come everyone goes, "Oh jeez, I mean how come they didn't know? they didn't know? they didn't know? >> How did they not know? >> How did they not know? >> How did they not know? >> That's that's us." >> That's that's us." >> That's that's us." >> And luckily it's in the book. Chainsaw >> And luckily it's in the book. Chainsaw >> And luckily it's in the book. Chainsaw detains detection is designed to stop poaching detection is designed to stop poaching and killing, you know, species that are and killing, you know, species that are and killing, you know, species that are going extinct, but if you need to use it going extinct, but if you need to use it going extinct, but if you need to use it for chainsaw massacre scenario movie, for chainsaw massacre scenario movie, for chainsaw massacre scenario movie, >> absolutely. So, it's a little I'd said, >> absolutely. So, it's a little I'd said, >> absolutely. So, it's a little I'd said, you know, try to keep AI out of this. you know, try to keep AI out of this. you know, try to keep AI out of this. There's a couple of use cases and that's There's a couple of use cases and that's There's a couple of use cases and that's one of them where you're you had to use one of them where you're you had to use one of them where you're you had to use a ML model to listen for the sound of a a ML model to listen for the sound of a a ML model to listen for the sound of a chainsaw. But absolutely use that in chainsaw. But absolutely use that in chainsaw. But absolutely use that in case you're going into that case you're going into that case you're going into that >> don't don't put the don't put the >> don't don't put the don't put the >> don't don't put the don't put the chainsaw on a drone. Don't put the chainsaw on a drone. Don't put the chainsaw on a drone. Don't put the chainsaw on a drone. chainsaw on a drone. chainsaw on a drone. >> Oh, that could be a cool movie. >> Oh, that could be a cool movie. >> Oh, that could be a cool movie. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Another be sci-fi horror film. >> Another be sci-fi horror film. >> Another be sci-fi horror film. >> Well, well, I mean, it's the I don't >> Well, well, I mean, it's the I don't >> Well, well, I mean, it's the I don't know what the name is in the name in know what the name is in the name in know what the name is in the name in English, Masaka, but the old horror English, Masaka, but the old horror English, Masaka, but the old horror movie with a chain. So, it was a human.

movie with a chain. So, it was a human. movie with a chain. So, it was a human. Next generation, it's just a machine Next generation, it's just a machine Next generation, it's just a machine with AI. with AI. with AI. >> Texas chain. Texas chainsaw massacre. >> Texas chain. Texas chainsaw massacre. >> Texas chain. Texas chainsaw massacre. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. >> This time it's drones. >> This time it's drones. >> This time it's drones. >> Now it's data center chainsaw massacre. >> Now it's data center chainsaw massacre. >> Now it's data center chainsaw massacre. >> If we can have snakes on a plane, then >> If we can have snakes on a plane, then >> If we can have snakes on a plane, then we can have drones with chainsaws. we can have drones with chainsaws. we can have drones with chainsaws. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, think about it. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, think about it. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, think about it. If they apply to IoT that you're that If they apply to IoT that you're that If they apply to IoT that you're that use case, there would be no Texas use case, there would be no Texas use case, there would be no Texas chainsaw massacre. chainsaw massacre. chainsaw massacre. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. It's not like you can just, you >> No. It's not like you can just, you >> No. It's not like you can just, you know, turn on a chainsaw and then it's know, turn on a chainsaw and then it's know, turn on a chainsaw and then it's >> going. You have to go a couple of times >> going. You have to go a couple of times >> going. You have to go a couple of times you have to pull that cord, right? you have to pull that cord, right? you have to pull that cord, right? >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> No, it's a early warning system. >> No, it's a early warning system. >> No, it's a early warning system. >> See, that's the thing. If you had a nice >> See, that's the thing. If you had a nice >> See, that's the thing. If you had a nice Americanmade chainsaw, that thing starts Americanmade chainsaw, that thing starts Americanmade chainsaw, that thing starts right away. Please wear your safety right away. Please wear your safety right away. Please wear your safety pants. PPE is important. You don't want pants. PPE is important. You don't want pants. PPE is important. You don't want to You don't want to lose a leg. to You don't want to lose a leg. to You don't want to lose a leg. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Smart. >> Smart. >> Smart. before we ship production to uh to before we ship production to uh to before we ship production to uh to China. China. China. >> I heard that to keep stirring the pot >> I heard that to keep stirring the pot >> I heard that to keep stirring the pot here today. I heard that all of a sudden here today. I heard that all of a sudden here today. I heard that all of a sudden lumber and aluminum and stuff getting lumber and aluminum and stuff getting lumber and aluminum and stuff getting more expensive.

more expensive. more expensive. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> because are those things are those >> because are those things are those >> because are those things are those things that we used to import from our things that we used to import from our things that we used to import from our neighbors up north by chance? Lumber? neighbors up north by chance? Lumber? neighbors up north by chance? Lumber? >> Yeah, I had no idea. >> Yeah, I had no idea. >> Yeah, I had no idea. >> Oh god, how did that happen? I mean, cuz >> Oh god, how did that happen? I mean, cuz >> Oh god, how did that happen? I mean, cuz we were not trading with those guys. So, we were not trading with those guys. So, we were not trading with those guys. So, wait a minute. We were trading with Rob. wait a minute. We were trading with Rob. wait a minute. We were trading with Rob. didn't realize we were trading with didn't realize we were trading with didn't realize we were trading with them. them. them. >> We're going to get them. Let's let's not >> We're going to get them. Let's let's not >> We're going to get them. Let's let's not do it. [snorts] do it. [snorts] do it. [snorts] >> Yeah. Well, you know, um our a lot of >> Yeah. Well, you know, um our a lot of >> Yeah. Well, you know, um our a lot of our automakers make cars up there. So, our automakers make cars up there. So, our automakers make cars up there. So, now American cars are more expensive. now American cars are more expensive. now American cars are more expensive. 50%. 50%. 50%. >> Right. Is it? >> Right. Is it? >> Right. Is it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I don't know. >> I don't know. I don't know. >> I don't know. I don't know. >> Good. You know, but you know, as long as >> Good. You know, but you know, as long as >> Good. You know, but you know, as long as we have like a 9,000% tariff on Chinese we have like a 9,000% tariff on Chinese we have like a 9,000% tariff on Chinese imports, we'll be okay. You know, if uh imports, we'll be okay. You know, if uh imports, we'll be okay. You know, if uh uh I should have kept my Civic, my 2002 uh I should have kept my Civic, my 2002 uh I should have kept my Civic, my 2002 Honda Civic Honda Civic Honda Civic >> would probably would probably be worth >> would probably would probably be worth >> would probably would probably be worth what I paid for it in 2002. what I paid for it in 2002. what I paid for it in 2002. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> Yeah. Yeah. Because the our future is >> Yeah. Yeah. Because the our future is >> Yeah. Yeah. Because the our future is going to be like the same as living in going to be like the same as living in going to be like the same as living in Cuba where we're going to have to keep Cuba where we're going to have to keep Cuba where we're going to have to keep the cars going, right? Yeah.

the cars going, right? Yeah. the cars going, right? Yeah. >> I mean, uh no, no. Well, jokes aside, I >> I mean, uh no, no. Well, jokes aside, I >> I mean, uh no, no. Well, jokes aside, I don't know if you know, uh don't know if you know, uh don't know if you know, uh >> good luck with that with the software in >> good luck with that with the software in >> good luck with that with the software in those new cars. you you know our our those new cars. you you know our our those new cars. you you know our our friends are going to our friends kids friends are going to our friends kids friends are going to our friends kids are in are going to have been going to are in are going to have been going to are in are going to have been going to college for a couple of years and you college for a couple of years and you college for a couple of years and you know those that need a car the thing know those that need a car the thing know those that need a car the thing used to be you know you buy a safe car used to be you know you buy a safe car used to be you know you buy a safe car and we used to be able to buy a safe car and we used to be able to buy a safe car and we used to be able to buy a safe car no frills for I don't know call it like no frills for I don't know call it like no frills for I don't know call it like 20 grand for a a Yaris or or a Civic you 20 grand for a a Yaris or or a Civic you 20 grand for a a Yaris or or a Civic you know like a small you you you can't you know like a small you you you can't you know like a small you you you can't you you just you just can't like I think the you just you just can't like I think the you just you just can't like I think the least expensive car brand new you can least expensive car brand new you can least expensive car brand new you can buy in the US is going to set you back buy in the US is going to set you back buy in the US is going to set you back like I don't know like 36 37 and it's like I don't know like 36 37 and it's like I don't know like 36 37 and it's probably a Kia. No offense against Kia. probably a Kia. No offense against Kia. probably a Kia. No offense against Kia. I'm just saying, you know, I I grew up I'm just saying, you know, I I grew up I'm just saying, you know, I I grew up with Japanese imports. You buy a with Japanese imports. You buy a with Japanese imports. You buy a Japanese car and you'll run it forever Japanese car and you'll run it forever Japanese car and you'll run it forever and it's it's too expensive. It's it's and it's it's too expensive. It's it's and it's it's too expensive. It's it's insane. insane. insane. >> Not to mention that you have to soon >> Not to mention that you have to soon >> Not to mention that you have to soon you're going to have to buy the you're going to have to buy the you're going to have to buy the subscription that goes with it. And if subscription that goes with it. And if subscription that goes with it. And if you stop canceling your subscription, you stop canceling your subscription, you stop canceling your subscription, the car will not start anymore. So the car will not start anymore. So the car will not start anymore. So >> ridiculous.

>> ridiculous. >> ridiculous. >> As we always recommend everyone, make >> As we always recommend everyone, make >> As we always recommend everyone, make sure you get a car from the 20th century sure you get a car from the 20th century sure you get a car from the 20th century that's fully mechanical that you can that's fully mechanical that you can that's fully mechanical that you can work on yourself work on yourself work on yourself >> for the dark when the dark times come. >> for the dark when the dark times come. >> for the dark when the dark times come. >> When the the EMP hits, >> When the the EMP hits, >> When the the EMP hits, >> the EMP hits, you're going to be so >> the EMP hits, you're going to be so >> the EMP hits, you're going to be so happy, you know. happy, you know. happy, you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. All right. Damn it. >> Yeah. All right. Damn it. >> Yeah. All right. Damn it. >> Good advice. >> Good advice. >> Good advice. >> Folks, do your job. >> Folks, do your job. >> Folks, do your job. >> It is that time. You have come to the >> It is that time. You have come to the >> It is that time. You have come to the end of another informational awesome end of another informational awesome end of another informational awesome episode where you hear everything. How episode where you hear everything. How episode where you hear everything. How to save the world, talk about Soviet to save the world, talk about Soviet to save the world, talk about Soviet technology, talk about saving the technology, talk about saving the technology, talk about saving the environment. We recommend awesome books environment. We recommend awesome books environment. We recommend awesome books on how to save the world. I know this on how to save the world. I know this on how to save the world. I know this thing is blurry, but this is saving the thing is blurry, but this is saving the thing is blurry, but this is saving the earth with the IoT from our authoring earth with the IoT from our authoring earth with the IoT from our authoring house, Rob Tiffany. And also, if you house, Rob Tiffany. And also, if you house, Rob Tiffany. And also, if you didn't catch the Napoleon comment, the didn't catch the Napoleon comment, the didn't catch the Napoleon comment, the battle of Waterloo people, we educate battle of Waterloo people, we educate battle of Waterloo people, we educate here. We educate you in IoT coffee talk. here. We educate you in IoT coffee talk. here. We educate you in IoT coffee talk. So, uh please uh continue to um tune in So, uh please uh continue to um tune in So, uh please uh continue to um tune in every week, tell your friends, tell your every week, tell your friends, tell your every week, tell your friends, tell your cousins, and tell your everyone who cousins, and tell your everyone who cousins, and tell your everyone who cannot afford uh a car that they should cannot afford uh a car that they should cannot afford uh a car that they should listen to this and feel better about not listen to this and feel better about not listen to this and feel better about not affording the car somehow. So, without affording the car somehow. So, without affording the car somehow. So, without >> we already solved the edge computing >> we already solved the edge computing >> we already solved the edge computing problem. Listen, problem. Listen, problem. Listen, stop screwing up.

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