IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 247 - Don't Start Believing (Tech is not a religion episode)

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up a with a You Know parody version of up a with a You Know parody version of that song We'll have to work on that that song We'll have to work on that that song We'll have to work on that next time okay oliv's got that out stop next time okay oliv's got that out stop next time okay oliv's got that out stop believing believing is a bad beli I believing believing is a bad beli I believing believing is a bad beli I think that's don't think that's don't think that's don't start don't don't stop no don't start start don't don't stop no don't start start don't don't stop no don't start believe it yeah that's great man see believe it yeah that's great man see believe it yeah that's great man see could be an Anthem for the AI age where could be an Anthem for the AI age where could be an Anthem for the AI age where you can't believe what your eyes are you can't believe what your eyes are you can't believe what your eyes are seeing anymore exactly don't start seeing anymore exactly don't start seeing anymore exactly don't start believing yeah that's my Steve Perry believing yeah that's my Steve Perry believing yeah that's my Steve Perry what do you think everything you hear on what do you think everything you hear on what do you think everything you hear on social media well this this also this also has media well this this also this also has some serious some serious some serious some serious some serious some serious implication he know like Faith but implication he know like Faith but implication he know like Faith but that's another discussion yeah yeah but that's another discussion yeah yeah but that's another discussion yeah yeah but before our disclaimer let's let's before our disclaimer let's let's before our disclaimer let's let's introduce Chris dude what the hell man introduce Chris dude what the hell man introduce Chris dude what the hell man welcome for finally having me I've been welcome for finally having me I've been welcome for finally having me I've been trying for several years but finally it trying for several years but finally it trying for several years but finally it finally finally finally worked finally just just a few years a worked finally just just a few years a worked finally just just a few years a few late to the party oh my go where is your where's your brended go where is your where's your brended thingy thingy thingy guys yeah our show hijacked by by for a guys yeah our show hijacked by by for a guys yeah our show hijacked by by for a good cause that's for a good cause yeah good cause that's for a good cause yeah good cause that's for a good cause yeah absolutely you know what I'm going to absolutely you know what I'm going to absolutely you know what I'm going to have to leave for a second in a minute have to leave for a second in a minute have to leave for a second in a minute and I'll go find the box that was and I'll go find the box that was and I'll go find the box that was delivered while I was out of town I delivered while I was out of town I delivered while I was out of town I think my elevat our kids hoodie arrived think my elevat our kids hoodie arrived think my elevat our kids hoodie arrived yeah oh okay all right so that by the yeah oh okay all right so that by the yeah oh okay all right so that by the way by the way there's no link to the

way by the way there's no link to the way by the way there's no link to the cause on the description of the channel cause on the description of the channel cause on the description of the channel oh we have to do that then that's a big oh we have to do that then that's a big oh we have to do that then that's a big Miss man I was looking for it that is Miss man I was looking for it that is Miss man I was looking for it that is terrible oh my gosh look at all these terrible oh my gosh look at all these terrible oh my gosh look at all these people you know that's kind of that's people you know that's kind of that's people you know that's kind of that's kind of how we call Leonard you know a kind of how we call Leonard you know a kind of how we call Leonard you know a lot of times we just refer to him as big lot of times we just refer to him as big lot of times we just refer to him as big Miss yeah like we're promoting that Miss yeah like we're promoting that Miss yeah like we're promoting that thing there's no link anywhere Old Miss yeah so oh my God we got Miss yeah so oh my God we got mark look at this this is crazy it's a mark look at this this is crazy it's a mark look at this this is crazy it's a party I was I was doing some fact party I was I was doing some fact party I was I was doing some fact checking on the the music the most heard checking on the the music the most heard checking on the the music the most heard listen and played co-pilot says it's a listen and played co-pilot says it's a listen and played co-pilot says it's a it's a Christmas song being it's a Christmas song being it's a Christmas song being White White White Christmas I don't know know pilot yeah it's like oh my God are you pilot yeah it's like oh my God are you pilot yeah it's like oh my God are you the one Olivier who uses the one Olivier who uses the one Olivier who uses co-pilot I am the one I am the one oh my co-pilot I am the one I am the one oh my co-pilot I am the one I am the one oh my God the one person God the one person God the one person yeah you know I can share my screen and yeah you know I can share my screen and yeah you know I can share my screen and show me show you me using llama 3.2 show me show you me using llama 3.2 show me show you me using llama 3.2 locally yes I saw your right up there locally yes I saw your right up there locally yes I saw your right up there that oh please don't do that inside that oh please don't do that inside that oh please don't do that inside inside inside inside Powershell what model did you use Rob Powershell what model did you use Rob Powershell what model did you use Rob three 3.2 I think it was the seven three 3.2 I think it was the seven three 3.2 I think it was the seven billion parameter model just something billion parameter model just something billion parameter model just something that could fit on a laptop is all I was

that could fit on a laptop is all I was that could fit on a laptop is all I was yeah yeah yeah nothing nothing too big yeah yeah yeah nothing nothing too big yeah yeah yeah nothing nothing too big private AI right yeah private AI if I'm private AI right yeah private AI if I'm private AI right yeah private AI if I'm preaching private AI in my job that it's preaching private AI in my job that it's preaching private AI in my job that it's really happening and people are building really happening and people are building really happening and people are building private infrastructure with their private infrastructure with their private infrastructure with their private data private data private data I as I I'm seeing as believing I I I as I I'm seeing as believing I I I as I I'm seeing as believing I I should be able to do it right I should should be able to do it right I should should be able to do it right I should make it real yeah I don't want to be make it real yeah I don't want to be make it real yeah I don't want to be like some journalist who's just saying like some journalist who's just saying like some journalist who's just saying stuff and they don't really know what stuff and they don't really know what stuff and they don't really know what they're saying they're saying they're saying right right right absolutely that happen is that is that absolutely that happen is that is that absolutely that happen is that is that for real oh are you saying that for real oh are you saying that for real oh are you saying that journalists just say things that maybe journalists just say things that maybe journalists just say things that maybe aren't aren't aren't [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] real oh my real oh my real oh my gosh say things that uh yeah they they gosh say things that uh yeah they they gosh say things that uh yeah they they never tried it never tried it never tried it but oh yeah yeah a lot of them lot of but oh yeah yeah a lot of them lot of but oh yeah yeah a lot of them lot of them do a lot of them talk about things them do a lot of them talk about things them do a lot of them talk about things that they've never done um and a lot of that they've never done um and a lot of that they've never done um and a lot of them um come from numbers there are a them um come from numbers there are a them um come from numbers there are a few that I know who are Engineers who few that I know who are Engineers who few that I know who are Engineers who get it who can actually you know think get it who can actually you know think get it who can actually you know think through things right from a technical through things right from a technical through things right from a technical and implementation perspective full life and implementation perspective full life and implementation perspective full life cycle that's really important there are cycle that's really important there are cycle that's really important there are very few who have don't have engineering very few who have don't have engineering very few who have don't have engineering or you know building experience um that or you know building experience um that or you know building experience um that get it but that's through years and get it but that's through years and get it but that's through years and years of just kind of um years of just kind of um years of just kind of um distilling yeah information from actual distilling yeah information from actual distilling yeah information from actual practitioners practitioners practitioners distillation distillation distillation Fromm to my

Fromm to my Fromm to my llm yes or my slm or my I mean a perfect llm yes or my slm or my I mean a perfect llm yes or my slm or my I mean a perfect example is API the way that people use example is API the way that people use example is API the way that people use that acronym that concept is so freaking that acronym that concept is so freaking that acronym that concept is so freaking hilarious right they get confused they hilarious right they get confused they hilarious right they get confused they don't even know what an API is really don't even know what an API is really don't even know what an API is really they go oh yeah API economy API this and they go oh yeah API economy API this and they go oh yeah API economy API this and that like oh I think I said before sorry that like oh I think I said before sorry that like oh I think I said before sorry um but yes you're right some of these um but yes you're right some of these um but yes you're right some of these people don't know as the L was talking people don't know as the L was talking people don't know as the L was talking about when we first got on you know a about when we first got on you know a about when we first got on you know a few of us were on the an analyst call few of us were on the an analyst call few of us were on the an analyst call with Dr Alisa Sue from AMD yesterday and with Dr Alisa Sue from AMD yesterday and with Dr Alisa Sue from AMD yesterday and and some of the questions that were and some of the questions that were and some of the questions that were being asked on the call kind of being asked on the call kind of being asked on the call kind of indicated the brain power of certain indicated the brain power of certain indicated the brain power of certain people on the call yeah all I'm gonna people on the call yeah all I'm gonna people on the call yeah all I'm gonna say yeah all I have to say is we have to say yeah all I have to say is we have to say yeah all I have to say is we have to up the game in the analyst um world up the game in the analyst um world up the game in the analyst um world because it's been it's being it's being because it's been it's being it's being because it's been it's being it's being um bastardized um people who uh want to um bastardized um people who uh want to um bastardized um people who uh want to start talking about hits and misses on start talking about hits and misses on start talking about hits and misses on estimat that's somebody else's job right estimat that's somebody else's job right estimat that's somebody else's job right you're not if you want to do Wall Street you're not if you want to do Wall Street you're not if you want to do Wall Street stuff go to wall be a financial analyst stuff go to wall be a financial analyst stuff go to wall be a financial analyst yeah go and try to get into Goldman yeah go and try to get into Goldman yeah go and try to get into Goldman Sachs or something like that you know Sachs or something like that you know Sachs or something like that you know what I'm saying it it's just um it's I what I'm saying it it's just um it's I what I'm saying it it's just um it's I think it actually think it actually think it actually ruins the rest of the analysts who are ruins the rest of the analysts who are ruins the rest of the analysts who are trying to do real you know yeah but the trying to do real you know yeah but the trying to do real you know yeah but the uh the issue is AI has become such a uh the issue is AI has become such a uh the issue is AI has become such a mainstream societal story on the evening mainstream societal story on the evening mainstream societal story on the evening news that uh every journalist is now

news that uh every journalist is now news that uh every journalist is now covering AI regard yeah and getting it covering AI regard yeah and getting it covering AI regard yeah and getting it immensely wrong so I'm just so glad that immensely wrong so I'm just so glad that immensely wrong so I'm just so glad that our fearless leader has arrived Hello our fearless leader has arrived Hello our fearless leader has arrived Hello Steph yeah what's up hold on there we go there we go I um up hold on there we go there we go I um my my system had to do a system restore my my system had to do a system restore my my system had to do a system restore like right when this meeting was started like right when this meeting was started like right when this meeting was started get into my app and then there are the get into my app and then there are the get into my app and then there are the calendar is wiped clean oh what oh it's calendar is wiped clean oh what oh it's calendar is wiped clean oh what oh it's because you got a Windows box yes so because you got a Windows box yes so because you got a Windows box yes so every time it on Microsoft it's it's every time it on Microsoft it's it's every time it on Microsoft it's it's co-pilot that is helping you cleaning up co-pilot that is helping you cleaning up co-pilot that is helping you cleaning up your agenda for the day your agenda for the day your agenda for the day yeah like I live by my calendar if it's yeah like I live by my calendar if it's yeah like I live by my calendar if it's not in there it didn't happen or it's not in there it didn't happen or it's not in there it didn't happen or it's not real you wish became reality right not real you wish became reality right not real you wish became reality right you didn't want to have any want a free you didn't want to have any want a free you didn't want to have any want a free day it's like a vision board might have day it's like a vision board might have day it's like a vision board might have to do like a a backup you know like go to do like a a backup you know like go to do like a a backup you know like go back go backwards because I don't want back go backwards because I don't want back go backwards because I don't want to accept that update that's for sure to accept that update that's for sure to accept that update that's for sure yeah well as some of you have been on yeah well as some of you have been on yeah well as some of you have been on the show for a while you'll know when the show for a while you'll know when the show for a while you'll know when Stephanie had a another traumatic Stephanie had a another traumatic Stephanie had a another traumatic incident related to losing email en incident related to losing email en incident related to losing email en counter and this time it was Rex space counter and this time it was Rex space counter and this time it was Rex space Oh yeah oh yeah yeah they're still my Oh yeah oh yeah yeah they're still my Oh yeah oh yeah yeah they're still my enemy I will never ever do business with enemy I will never ever do business with enemy I will never ever do business with that that that company uh that's brutal they they'll company uh that's brutal they they'll company uh that's brutal they they'll never be a sponsor of elevator kids never be a sponsor of elevator kids never be a sponsor of elevator kids that's do you remember everyone else that's do you remember everyone else that's do you remember everyone else they could redeem themselves though they could redeem themselves though they could redeem themselves though becom a sponsor at something do you

becom a sponsor at something do you becom a sponsor at something do you remember at Microsoft before we had the remember at Microsoft before we had the remember at Microsoft before we had the cloud and before we did all the you know cloud and before we did all the you know cloud and before we did all the you know we had this notion of like hosted we had this notion of like hosted we had this notion of like hosted exchange and we had partners that could exchange and we had partners that could exchange and we had partners that could host exchange for people host exchange for people host exchange for people and rack space was one of and rack space was one of and rack space was one of them didn't go them didn't go them didn't go well like at some point in time they had well like at some point in time they had well like at some point in time they had 75% of their traffic was uh 75% of their traffic was uh 75% of their traffic was uh porn oh yeah oh yeah making their money porn oh yeah oh yeah making their money porn oh yeah oh yeah making their money that's that's that's good what what is it now what good what what is it now what good what what is it now what 85% yeah 85% yeah 85% yeah right I'm curious to right I'm curious to right I'm curious to seeb porn company were like no they just seeb porn company were like no they just seeb porn company were like no they just kicked me out I'm I'm done I had two kicked me out I'm I'm done I had two kicked me out I'm I'm done I had two weeks with no email even they're not weeks with no email even they're not weeks with no email even they're not going to stick around for that I'm I'm going to stick around for that I'm I'm going to stick around for that I'm I'm curious to see how many or to learn how curious to see how many or to learn how curious to see how many or to learn how many AI like video producing Bots are many AI like video producing Bots are many AI like video producing Bots are actually making 80 to 90% of their actually making 80 to 90% of their actually making 80 to 90% of their actual revenue on the porn today I'm actual revenue on the porn today I'm actual revenue on the porn today I'm curious I think a lot those Reasons I'm curious I think a lot those Reasons I'm curious I think a lot those Reasons I'm out yeah okay so let's start off with our yeah okay so let's start off with our disclaimer so um hey everyone yeah like disclaimer so um hey everyone yeah like disclaimer so um hey everyone yeah like like 10 minutes in welcome to iot Coffee like 10 minutes in welcome to iot Coffee like 10 minutes in welcome to iot Coffee Talk we um are looking forward to really Talk we um are looking forward to really Talk we um are looking forward to really cool conversation we have like freaking cool conversation we have like freaking cool conversation we have like freaking how many people on here um 10 people how many people on here um 10 people how many people on here um 10 people that's pretty incredible and we have a that's pretty incredible and we have a that's pretty incredible and we have a new special uh not a special guest

new special uh not a special guest new special uh not a special guest hopefully he'll be a permanent fixture hopefully he'll be a permanent fixture hopefully he'll be a permanent fixture Chris Watson hey Chris how's it going Chris Watson hey Chris how's it going Chris Watson hey Chris how's it going thanks for friendly having me yeah next thanks for friendly having me yeah next thanks for friendly having me yeah next time you're doing bad karaoke yes I will time you're doing bad karaoke yes I will time you're doing bad karaoke yes I will get everything set up bad karaoke yeah get everything set up bad karaoke yeah get everything set up bad karaoke yeah get your stuff yeah get your [ __ ] get your stuff yeah get your [ __ ] get your stuff yeah get your [ __ ] together man wait a minute wait a minute together man wait a minute wait a minute together man wait a minute wait a minute I missed what did you guys sing um I missed what did you guys sing um I missed what did you guys sing um didn't I tried to start belie setup was didn't I tried to start belie setup was didn't I tried to start belie setup was bad oh start believing don't start bad oh start believing don't start bad oh start believing don't start believing it's our own version of Don't believing it's our own version of Don't believing it's our own version of Don't Stop Believing so um yeah and so Stop Believing so um yeah and so Stop Believing so um yeah and so remember um to like share comment react remember um to like share comment react remember um to like share comment react to our conversation to our conversation to our conversation yes it's long we have no script we just yes it's long we have no script we just yes it's long we have no script we just hit the you know record button every hit the you know record button every hit the you know record button every week and we vent and so uh the beauty of week and we vent and so uh the beauty of week and we vent and so uh the beauty of all of this is at the end of the day we all of this is at the end of the day we all of this is at the end of the day we become prophetic and we we basically become prophetic and we we basically become prophetic and we we basically tell things like it is and uh likely tell things like it is and uh likely tell things like it is and uh likely what you can expect tomorrow but with what you can expect tomorrow but with what you can expect tomorrow but with that statement that statement that statement remember don't do remember don't do remember don't do anything important with anything we say anything important with anything we say anything important with anything we say okay um if you do it's your fault all okay um if you do it's your fault all okay um if you do it's your fault all the liability lies on you we're just the liability lies on you we're just the liability lies on you we're just here having fun and um just venting our here having fun and um just venting our here having fun and um just venting our frustrations with a a world filled with frustrations with a a world filled with frustrations with a a world filled with hype and hopefully in this process of hype and hopefully in this process of hype and hopefully in this process of just ranting and raving we will get to a just ranting and raving we will get to a just ranting and raving we will get to a few nuggets that you can tune into that few nuggets that you can tune into that few nuggets that you can tune into that will improve your life and your business

will improve your life and your business will improve your life and your business so with that we're going to get started so with that we're going to get started so with that we're going to get started um um um hey um what hey um what hey um what what the hell happened this what the hell happened this what the hell happened this week he Blinded Me With Science hey hey week he Blinded Me With Science hey hey week he Blinded Me With Science hey hey SE Tech SE Tech they got their uh SE Tech SE Tech they got their uh SE Tech SE Tech they got their uh they're little freaking u a red cap they're little freaking u a red cap they're little freaking u a red cap module certified by &t so let start off module certified by &t so let start off module certified by &t so let start off with IO iot that's kind of cool right a with IO iot that's kind of cool right a with IO iot that's kind of cool right a little bit of Red Cap news Little Red little bit of Red Cap news Little Red little bit of Red Cap news Little Red Cap No Cap no cap with that Red Cap No Cap no cap with that Red Cap No Cap no cap with that Red Cap you guys are like pop cap games no Cap you guys are like pop cap games no Cap you guys are like pop cap games no no no yeah well Chris what do you think no no yeah well Chris what do you think no no yeah well Chris what do you think what do you think about red C what's what do you think about red C what's what do you think about red C what's your what's your feel on that No One's your what's your feel on that No One's your what's your feel on that No One's Gonna notice it I have nothing valuable Gonna notice it I have nothing valuable Gonna notice it I have nothing valuable to say on to say on to say on that okay all right wasted a bullet that okay all right wasted a bullet that okay all right wasted a bullet there man stop TCO from trying you'll there man stop TCO from trying you'll there man stop TCO from trying you'll never stop Telco from trying that's never stop Telco from trying that's never stop Telco from trying that's that's what I have to say so that's good that's what I have to say so that's good that's what I have to say so that's good there goes Rob uh oh Rob's left yeah there goes Rob uh oh Rob's left yeah there goes Rob uh oh Rob's left yeah he's about to come back with a red cap he's about to come back with a red cap he's about to come back with a red cap the the the red to show red to show red to show stuff so does that mean to s is giving stuff so does that mean to s is giving stuff so does that mean to s is giving up on Lura one oh sweet no no um they're up on Lura one oh sweet no no um they're up on Lura one oh sweet no no um they're not they're not I think they're not they're not I think they're not they're not I think they're diversifying you know it's like kind of diversifying you know it's like kind of diversifying you know it's like kind of like I don't know what you've noticed like I don't know what you've noticed like I don't know what you've noticed Olivier but you know in the past few Olivier but you know in the past few Olivier but you know in the past few actually iot startup you stared to see actually iot startup you stared to see actually iot startup you stared to see more of like sort of these uh you know more of like sort of these uh you know more of like sort of these uh you know like conversion Network Concepts right like conversion Network Concepts right like conversion Network Concepts right gateways and stuff like that you know gateways and stuff like that you know gateways and stuff like that you know the idea of backhauling things with 5G

the idea of backhauling things with 5G the idea of backhauling things with 5G and then uh and then extending things and then uh and then extending things and then uh and then extending things through let's say long longer range through let's say long longer range through let's say long longer range lower power protocols and Technologies lower power protocols and Technologies lower power protocols and Technologies so I don't know I mean I I and that's so I don't know I mean I I and that's so I don't know I mean I I and that's where I think um a lot of these where I think um a lot of these where I think um a lot of these companies are looking at uh at some sort companies are looking at uh at some sort companies are looking at uh at some sort of integration play so I don't know you of integration play so I don't know you of integration play so I don't know you you let me know what you think what you you let me know what you think what you you let me know what you think what you see or mark But sy just a just have so see or mark But sy just a just have so see or mark But sy just a just have so Laura is just a tiny part of their Laura is just a tiny part of their Laura is just a tiny part of their portfolio right so and I don't think portfolio right so and I don't think portfolio right so and I don't think they the money they make with Laura it's they the money they make with Laura it's they the money they make with Laura it's it's uh very significant it's uh very significant it's uh very significant no maybe Alistair would still be no maybe Alistair would still be no maybe Alistair would still be there you know what you know not not there you know what you know not not there you know what you know not not where he went it was Blues looking into where he went it was Blues looking into where he went it was Blues looking into multi yeah multi yeah multi yeah right Mark you're saying actually goes right Mark you're saying actually goes right Mark you're saying actually goes in in you that's why I'm I had this in in you that's why I'm I had this in in you that's why I'm I had this reaction of like well does it mean that reaction of like well does it mean that reaction of like well does it mean that it's putting a a nail in the coffin of it's putting a a nail in the coffin of it's putting a a nail in the coffin of of luran luran is a great technology now of luran luran is a great technology now of luran luran is a great technology now the question is you know if you don't the question is you know if you don't the question is you know if you don't deploy your own private Network like deploy your own private Network like deploy your own private Network like there's no coverage apart from some there's no coverage apart from some there's no coverage apart from some European cities these days or apart if European cities these days or apart if European cities these days or apart if you go with the Amazon version of you go with the Amazon version of you go with the Amazon version of sidewalk so at the end of the day like sidewalk so at the end of the day like sidewalk so at the end of the day like it's it's good for building your own it's it's good for building your own it's it's good for building your own personal private long range Network then personal private long range Network then personal private long range Network then you have to manage it right which that you have to manage it right which that you have to manage it right which that might not when you are farmer or you're might not when you are farmer or you're might not when you are farmer or you're in mining that's might not be what you in mining that's might not be what you in mining that's might not be what you want to do managing a network right and

want to do managing a network right and want to do managing a network right and so I can see why industry is getting so I can see why industry is getting so I can see why industry is getting successful these days um because yeah successful these days um because yeah successful these days um because yeah they they have a software that manage they they have a software that manage they they have a software that manage these and that reduce the friction right these and that reduce the friction right these and that reduce the friction right to to manage a fleet of Lura one getways to to manage a fleet of Lura one getways to to manage a fleet of Lura one getways but yeah it's it's a it's a painful but yeah it's it's a it's a painful but yeah it's it's a it's a painful process and and companies probably don't process and and companies probably don't process and and companies probably don't want to become infrastructure managers want to become infrastructure managers want to become infrastructure managers yeah and and by now all the seller yeah and and by now all the seller yeah and and by now all the seller providers have been blocking lur one providers have been blocking lur one providers have been blocking lur one from being deployed because like they from being deployed because like they from being deployed because like they could have themselves on their antenna could have themselves on their antenna could have themselves on their antenna deployed low gateways to even like doing deployed low gateways to even like doing deployed low gateways to even like doing their own private L one networks but their own private L one networks but their own private L one networks but they didn't and when you look at the they didn't and when you look at the they didn't and when you look at the specs of LTM and now what you can do specs of LTM and now what you can do specs of LTM and now what you can do with things like starlink with satellite with things like starlink with satellite with things like starlink with satellite you know do you need lur one I don't you know do you need lur one I don't you know do you need lur one I don't know yeah it was it was always meant to know yeah it was it was always meant to know yeah it was it was always meant to be uh it was always meant to be a be uh it was always meant to be a be uh it was always meant to be a network for the people right I mean network for the people right I mean network for the people right I mean that's the way that they were kind of that's the way that they were kind of that's the way that they were kind of looking at it and and I mean I think I I looking at it and and I mean I think I I looking at it and and I mean I think I I think the problem is we jump right over think the problem is we jump right over think the problem is we jump right over what the hell problem are you trying to what the hell problem are you trying to what the hell problem are you trying to solve solve solve I mean it's good for devices that don't I mean it's good for devices that don't I mean it's good for devices that don't need real time I mean if you just want need real time I mean if you just want need real time I mean if you just want to batch collect and send then sure it's to batch collect and send then sure it's to batch collect and send then sure it's good but I mean the same thing could good but I mean the same thing could good but I mean the same thing could have been said for even the lower have been said for even the lower have been said for even the lower bandwidth uh you bandwidth uh you bandwidth uh you know Sig know Sig know Sig Fox like that but I mean you get stuck Fox like that but I mean you get stuck Fox like that but I mean you get stuck at the lower levels of of of these at the lower levels of of of these at the lower levels of of of these things and and I think that the things and and I think that the things and and I think that the connectivity piece of it while critical connectivity piece of it while critical connectivity piece of it while critical it still ties itself to you know what

it still ties itself to you know what it still ties itself to you know what problem are you trying to problem are you trying to problem are you trying to solve and and I I just don't see I mean solve and and I I just don't see I mean solve and and I I just don't see I mean we can we can dig into the whole thing we can we can dig into the whole thing we can we can dig into the whole thing about these low power wide area Network about these low power wide area Network about these low power wide area Network Solutions uh luran still had problems Solutions uh luran still had problems Solutions uh luran still had problems with overthe a updates um and and doing with overthe a updates um and and doing with overthe a updates um and and doing it securely and all of these types of it securely and all of these types of it securely and all of these types of things and if you want to expose your OT things and if you want to expose your OT things and if you want to expose your OT devices to those types of you know I'll devices to those types of you know I'll devices to those types of you know I'll capture your network and start you know capture your network and start you know capture your network and start you know taking you know taking your stuff taking you know taking your stuff taking you know taking your stuff offline then I mean sure offline then I mean sure offline then I mean sure I I I just I don't know I mean our our I I I just I don't know I mean our our I I I just I don't know I mean our our perspective you know on our side has perspective you know on our side has perspective you know on our side has always been I don't care what the always been I don't care what the always been I don't care what the connectivity is as long as it's connectivity is as long as it's connectivity is as long as it's reliable the I think the value reliable the I think the value reliable the I think the value proposition it's it's demonstrated I proposition it's it's demonstrated I proposition it's it's demonstrated I mean um they what they wanted basically mean um they what they wanted basically mean um they what they wanted basically it's a long range and low power it's a long range and low power it's a long range and low power connectivity Network and and they found connectivity Network and and they found connectivity Network and and they found this uh free Spectrum right that they this uh free Spectrum right that they this uh free Spectrum right that they where they could U manage this where they could U manage this where they could U manage this connectivity I don't think they made connectivity I don't think they made connectivity I don't think they made people's Network or I think that was people's Network or I think that was people's Network or I think that was helium's um Mission but uh or a helium's um Mission but uh or a helium's um Mission but uh or a statement but um how did that go I think statement but um how did that go I think statement but um how did that go I think long range low power it's one of the long range low power it's one of the long range low power it's one of the best yeah then yeah of course you have best yeah then yeah of course you have best yeah then yeah of course you have other um downsides like the OTA that other um downsides like the OTA that other um downsides like the OTA that it's not possible or it's possible after it's not possible or it's possible after it's not possible or it's possible after several days and microcontrollers several days and microcontrollers several days and microcontrollers probably are not good on that um but out probably are not good on that um but out probably are not good on that um but out of that I think it it does what it's of that I think it it does what it's of that I think it it does what it's expected to do right and and you expected to do right and and you expected to do right and and you mentioned sck Fox I think uh these

mentioned sck Fox I think uh these mentioned sck Fox I think uh these demonstrated the sck fox failure and demonstrated the sck fox failure and demonstrated the sck fox failure and probably helium I'm not sure about probably helium I'm not sure about probably helium I'm not sure about helium future but what demonstrated is helium future but what demonstrated is helium future but what demonstrated is probably Global networks are so people probably Global networks are so people probably Global networks are so people or companies don't need Global networks or companies don't need Global networks or companies don't need Global networks so probably private um low power with so probably private um low power with so probably private um low power with every networks but I think I think Mark every networks but I think I think Mark every networks but I think I think Mark to I I agree with you there like and to I I agree with you there like and to I I agree with you there like and then I don't want to like poooo L one then I don't want to like poooo L one then I don't want to like poooo L one actually it's I think it's a great actually it's I think it's a great actually it's I think it's a great protocol and great solution for The Last protocol and great solution for The Last protocol and great solution for The Last Mile and and problem that I've seen is Mile and and problem that I've seen is Mile and and problem that I've seen is that people have been talking as about that people have been talking as about that people have been talking as about it as it's the iot connectivity solution it as it's the iot connectivity solution it as it's the iot connectivity solution and you're just like wait a second so and you're just like wait a second so and you're just like wait a second so how about a scenario where lur one sits how about a scenario where lur one sits how about a scenario where lur one sits next to other protocols you know maybe next to other protocols you know maybe next to other protocols you know maybe wired ones uh and you have like that wired ones uh and you have like that wired ones uh and you have like that Gateway that does more than just the Gateway that does more than just the Gateway that does more than just the freaking Lura con connectivity and freaking Lura con connectivity and freaking Lura con connectivity and communication so look at so particle has communication so look at so particle has communication so look at so particle has an interesting device the the muon which an interesting device the the muon which an interesting device the the muon which is a a carrier board for their mom Dev is a a carrier board for their mom Dev is a a carrier board for their mom Dev like chips and modules the mom itself like chips and modules the mom itself like chips and modules the mom itself has satellite cellular Wi-Fi Bluetooth has satellite cellular Wi-Fi Bluetooth has satellite cellular Wi-Fi Bluetooth all that and the carrier board has lower all that and the carrier board has lower all that and the carrier board has lower one and I just started to think about one and I just started to think about one and I just started to think about hey wait a second so if I want a Gateway hey wait a second so if I want a Gateway hey wait a second so if I want a Gateway that is able to hook up to different that is able to hook up to different that is able to hook up to different types of devices that have wired types of devices that have wired types of devices that have wired Wireless connectivity and aggregate that Wireless connectivity and aggregate that Wireless connectivity and aggregate that data to then send it to the cloud or data to then send it to the cloud or data to then send it to the cloud or massage it or give it to your business massage it or give it to your business massage it or give it to your business uh apps and so on that's the scenario of uh apps and so on that's the scenario of uh apps and so on that's the scenario of that heavier Gateway that is to me you that heavier Gateway that is to me you that heavier Gateway that is to me you know really making Lowa one shine as one know really making Lowa one shine as one know really making Lowa one shine as one of the networks we accessing types of

of the networks we accessing types of of the networks we accessing types of devices that are further away not wired devices that are further away not wired devices that are further away not wired on battery and so on so I think it's a on battery and so on so I think it's a on battery and so on so I think it's a complement to other Solutions at the end complement to other Solutions at the end complement to other Solutions at the end of the day yeah I think people want to of the day yeah I think people want to of the day yeah I think people want to kind of avoid the yeah people just want kind of avoid the yeah people just want kind of avoid the yeah people just want to avoid the licensed Spectrum hassles to avoid the licensed Spectrum hassles to avoid the licensed Spectrum hassles business model hassles of license business model hassles of license business model hassles of license Spectrum as soon as you get into licens Spectrum as soon as you get into licens Spectrum as soon as you get into licens spectrum and you're a customer of AT&T spectrum and you're a customer of AT&T spectrum and you're a customer of AT&T then it's like this is a whole other then it's like this is a whole other then it's like this is a whole other thing so I think if people can make thing so I think if people can make thing so I think if people can make their Solutions work in unlicensed their Solutions work in unlicensed their Solutions work in unlicensed Spectrum I think that's probably what Spectrum I think that's probably what Spectrum I think that's probably what people would prefer but I don't know people would prefer but I don't know people would prefer but I don't know yeah but then I think we get into the yeah but then I think we get into the yeah but then I think we get into the whole issue of how many devices you have whole issue of how many devices you have whole issue of how many devices you have noise floor issues and things like that noise floor issues and things like that noise floor issues and things like that when you have that you know that when you have that you know that when you have that you know that significant population of devices that significant population of devices that significant population of devices that are trying to talk at any given time um are trying to talk at any given time um are trying to talk at any given time um I mean part of me when so so Oliver you I mean part of me when so so Oliver you I mean part of me when so so Oliver you say you know the last mile I I guess my say you know the last mile I I guess my say you know the last mile I I guess my push back would be why not 900 megahertz push back would be why not 900 megahertz push back would be why not 900 megahertz why not 900 megahertz uh why not 900 megahertz uh why not 900 megahertz uh mesh um I mean you still have those same mesh um I mean you still have those same mesh um I mean you still have those same issues when you start talking about issues when you start talking about issues when you start talking about millions of devices that are all within millions of devices that are all within millions of devices that are all within a specific proximity of the noise floor a specific proximity of the noise floor a specific proximity of the noise floor being a problem your txrx falling off being a problem your txrx falling off being a problem your txrx falling off dropping packets all of that good stuff dropping packets all of that good stuff dropping packets all of that good stuff um but that's why for me again and and um but that's why for me again and and um but that's why for me again and and and to your point about the Gateway and to your point about the Gateway and to your point about the Gateway piece of it I go I agree these piece of it I go I agree these piece of it I go I agree these Technologies are great for solving Technologies are great for solving Technologies are great for solving specific problems but the thing that specific problems but the thing that specific problems but the thing that that bothers me about any that bothers me about any that bothers me about any multi-transport multi-transport multi-transport Gateway is one Honda the hell do you Gateway is one Honda the hell do you Gateway is one Honda the hell do you secure all of that and then two why

secure all of that and then two why secure all of that and then two why can't you have a standard mechanism for can't you have a standard mechanism for can't you have a standard mechanism for firmware updates a standard mechanism for updates a standard mechanism for firmware updates will never happen you I firmware updates will never happen you I firmware updates will never happen you I mean but I would argue that lightweight mean but I would argue that lightweight mean but I would argue that lightweight MDM could actually do know fota is a fourl word for a reason know fota is a fourl word for a reason so and Olivia knows what does Sig Fox so and Olivia knows what does Sig Fox so and Olivia knows what does Sig Fox and luran have in and luran have in and luran have in common they have French they're French common they have French they're French common they have French they're French Technologies no income no Technologies no income no Technologies no income no revenues yikes is there a graveyard list revenues yikes is there a graveyard list revenues yikes is there a graveyard list somewhere of all the companies that have somewhere of all the companies that have somewhere of all the companies that have tried this and why they failed and where tried this and why they failed and where tried this and why they failed and where they failed and when they is there any they failed and when they is there any they failed and when they is there any kind of graveyard list so we can stop kind of graveyard list so we can stop kind of graveyard list so we can stop redup but maybe but as we're sitting redup but maybe but as we're sitting redup but maybe but as we're sitting here bashing Laura you know I know lots here bashing Laura you know I know lots here bashing Laura you know I know lots of people who've had great success of people who've had great success of people who've had great success deploying their own just private Laura deploying their own just private Laura deploying their own just private Laura networks not Laura wh just because you networks not Laura wh just because you networks not Laura wh just because you can buy those deals for those of us who can buy those deals for those of us who can buy those deals for those of us who spent a lot of time with their cowboy spent a lot of time with their cowboy spent a lot of time with their cowboy boots on doing iot and Agriculture and boots on doing iot and Agriculture and boots on doing iot and Agriculture and ranches and Farms Laura is a godsend for ranches and Farms Laura is a godsend for ranches and Farms Laura is a godsend for those F like specific scenarios solving those F like specific scenarios solving those F like specific scenarios solving actual problems as bill was saying and actual problems as bill was saying and actual problems as bill was saying and it was a God it was a god sin but the it was a God it was a god sin but the it was a God it was a god sin but the financial and the economics weren't financial and the economics weren't financial and the economics weren't there and that's the problem in terms of there and that's the problem in terms of there and that's the problem in terms of volume and and just the business models volume and and just the business models volume and and just the business models and making money off off of doing this and making money off off of doing this and making money off off of doing this for a farm or Ranch that money's not for a farm or Ranch that money's not for a farm or Ranch that money's not there but I think that's why Jimmy Jimmy

there but I think that's why Jimmy Jimmy there but I think that's why Jimmy Jimmy Chapman Ranch s we got to have him on Chapman Ranch s we got to have him on Chapman Ranch s we got to have him on here well Jimmy on yeah I talk to Jimmy here well Jimmy on yeah I talk to Jimmy here well Jimmy on yeah I talk to Jimmy every once in a while wait it's speaking every once in a while wait it's speaking every once in a while wait it's speaking of Lura where is of Lura where is of Lura where is Steve he's all fixing a network Steve he's all fixing a network Steve he's all fixing a network yeah what are you talking about he's out yeah what are you talking about he's out yeah what are you talking about he's out trying trying trying toing the devices one by one he's toing the devices one by one he's toing the devices one by one he's selling selling selling 247 I think he sells than does anything 247 I think he sells than does anything 247 I think he sells than does anything else that's all he talks about is how else that's all he talks about is how else that's all he talks about is how much money everybody's making in iot come here I'll make you iot come here I'll make you Millions almost I was almost excited Millions almost I was almost excited Millions almost I was almost excited when itbs first started looking into when itbs first started looking into when itbs first started looking into sidewalk as a solution because I hoped sidewalk as a solution because I hoped sidewalk as a solution because I hoped they would go full on public network but they would go full on public network but they would go full on public network but then I was mistaken they were not here then I was mistaken they were not here then I was mistaken they were not here to do the network for the people right to do the network for the people right to do the network for the people right they were here to hijack people's they were here to hijack people's they were here to hijack people's internet connection uh and that's internet connection uh and that's internet connection uh and that's basically what they were here for which basically what they were here for which basically what they were here for which is a bummer because when you thought is a bummer because when you thought is a bummer because when you thought about the the the principle of having about the the the principle of having about the the the principle of having every single freaking Echo device in a every single freaking Echo device in a every single freaking Echo device in a city being a Gateway for con for a city being a Gateway for con for a city being a Gateway for con for a public network that would have been a public network that would have been a public network that would have been a really good thing but yeah um and as we really good thing but yeah um and as we really good thing but yeah um and as we were saying Stephanie people would try were saying Stephanie people would try were saying Stephanie people would try to make a business out of that I don't to make a business out of that I don't to make a business out of that I don't think it's because they didn't find the think it's because they didn't find the think it's because they didn't find the right model it's because they they face right model it's because they they face right model it's because they they face so many um wrenches and so many you know so many um wrenches and so many you know so many um wrenches and so many you know bumps caused and built by the cellular bumps caused and built by the cellular bumps caused and built by the cellular providers by the you know Amazon and so

providers by the you know Amazon and so providers by the you know Amazon and so on that they could not really get a on that they could not really get a on that they could not really get a chance to develop their own thing and chance to develop their own thing and chance to develop their own thing and then s Fox you know you don't operate a then s Fox you know you don't operate a then s Fox you know you don't operate a full on network from to desktop under full on network from to desktop under full on network from to desktop under someone's desks uh so that's what they someone's desks uh so that's what they someone's desks uh so that's what they were doing for a long time and you're were doing for a long time and you're were doing for a long time and you're just like where are your servers oh just like where are your servers oh just like where are your servers oh they're here in our office these two they're here in our office these two they're here in our office these two towers you mean yeah under the towers you mean yeah under the towers you mean yeah under the called the Dell under the desk topology called the Dell under the desk topology called the Dell under the desk topology you know it's you know it's you know it's like my data center is right here yeah like my data center is right here yeah like my data center is right here yeah it's right here go I'm not kidding it's it's right here go I'm not kidding it's it's right here go I'm not kidding it's true story that's where he started true story that's where he started true story that's where he started that's wild I love it I do know someone that's wild I love it I do know someone that's wild I love it I do know someone who's got a company who actually have who's got a company who actually have who's got a company who actually have awalk got part of the reason why I got awalk got part of the reason why I got awalk got part of the reason why I got sideline is because of privacy um you sideline is because of privacy um you sideline is because of privacy um you know where people thought of it more as know where people thought of it more as know where people thought of it more as a data grab and they weren't comfortable a data grab and they weren't comfortable a data grab and they weren't comfortable with what they were going to do with with what they were going to do with with what they were going to do with that but I think they're still going that but I think they're still going that but I think they're still going ahead with sidewalk but they're doing it ahead with sidewalk but they're doing it ahead with sidewalk but they're doing it in a different way if I'm not in a different way if I'm not in a different way if I'm not mistaken yeah I know somebody's using mistaken yeah I know somebody's using mistaken yeah I know somebody's using sidewalk to build a whole business sidewalk to build a whole business sidewalk to build a whole business around around around actually but guys I think in the end actually but guys I think in the end actually but guys I think in the end there's there's not enough in the field there's there's not enough in the field there's there's not enough in the field real demand use cases for it because real demand use cases for it because real demand use cases for it because otherwise all those problem would have otherwise all those problem would have otherwise all those problem would have been solved I mean I remember the early been solved I mean I remember the early been solved I mean I remember the early days of SMS messages in France at we days of SMS messages in France at we days of SMS messages in France at we Telecom it was a little SQL Server box Telecom it was a little SQL Server box Telecom it was a little SQL Server box under the desk of an engineer under the desk of an engineer under the desk of an engineer so it started like that but then there so it started like that but then there so it started like that but then there was so much demand and news cases for was so much demand and news cases for was so much demand and news cases for people sending messages that we build people sending messages that we build people sending messages that we build infrastructure for it so at the end of

infrastructure for it so at the end of infrastructure for it so at the end of the day this idea of building an the day this idea of building an the day this idea of building an infrastructure for OT devices and then infrastructure for OT devices and then infrastructure for OT devices and then hoping that people will put it use it is hoping that people will put it use it is hoping that people will put it use it is the problem there's not enough use cases the problem there's not enough use cases the problem there's not enough use cases for it yeah I think there's like a for it yeah I think there's like a for it yeah I think there's like a Shannon's law for visibility you know Shannon's law for visibility you know Shannon's law for visibility you know there's it's there are only so many there's it's there are only so many there's it's there are only so many valuable use cases or applications and valuable use cases or applications and valuable use cases or applications and some point it is just not worth it you some point it is just not worth it you some point it is just not worth it you know and you know the folks that are at know and you know the folks that are at know and you know the folks that are at the edge of the iot are trying to pursue the edge of the iot are trying to pursue the edge of the iot are trying to pursue that edge and expand that edge which is that edge and expand that edge which is that edge and expand that edge which is Valiant but it's also brutal right that Valiant but it's also brutal right that Valiant but it's also brutal right that that's like where you know that's where that's like where you know that's where that's like where you know that's where the race of the bottom basically that's the race of the bottom basically that's the race of the bottom basically that's the boundary of the race of the bottom the boundary of the race of the bottom the boundary of the race of the bottom and you're trying to push it a little and you're trying to push it a little and you're trying to push it a little bit further right and so to push it real bit further right and so to push it real bit further right and so to push it real good and I voed that in this in this in one of I voed that in this in this in one of our conversations on the day for me the our conversations on the day for me the our conversations on the day for me the whole problem of iot is that you have whole problem of iot is that you have whole problem of iot is that you have two categories of problem you have two categories of problem you have two categories of problem you have optimization and you have dramatically optimization and you have dramatically optimization and you have dramatically new models and a lot of the time new models and a lot of the time new models and a lot of the time optimization so yes you can optimize optimization so yes you can optimize optimization so yes you can optimize mining or agriculture but how much is mining or agriculture but how much is mining or agriculture but how much is the optimization compared to the the optimization compared to the the optimization compared to the investment you have to make in the investment you have to make in the investment you have to make in the technology and if it's not 10 fold or technology and if it's not 10 fold or technology and if it's not 10 fold or 100 fold it doesn't materialize well the 100 fold it doesn't materialize well the 100 fold it doesn't materialize well the other Vector yeah the other Vector other Vector yeah the other Vector other Vector yeah the other Vector everyone is pursuing AI is adaptability everyone is pursuing AI is adaptability everyone is pursuing AI is adaptability right dcism and adaptability that's what right dcism and adaptability that's what right dcism and adaptability that's what they're trying to do but and so maybe they're trying to do but and so maybe they're trying to do but and so maybe there's that new class of visibility

there's that new class of visibility there's that new class of visibility that's required to get you the data you that's required to get you the data you that's required to get you the data you need to be able to do that you know the need to be able to do that you know the need to be able to do that you know the contextual data so there may be more contextual data so there may be more contextual data so there may be more like Merit to that but then there's the like Merit to that but then there's the like Merit to that but then there's the problem with AI right and the challenges problem with AI right and the challenges problem with AI right and the challenges that I think all of us have seen through that I think all of us have seen through that I think all of us have seen through the years with um you know a lot of um the years with um you know a lot of um the years with um you know a lot of um companies is trying to apply the companies is trying to apply the companies is trying to apply the technology technology technology um it it's tough and it it it you know I um it it's tough and it it it you know I um it it's tough and it it it you know I don't think any the llms are not solving don't think any the llms are not solving don't think any the llms are not solving any of the problems they're just any of the problems they're just any of the problems they're just creating more problems in my creating more problems in my creating more problems in my opinion so look they're spending opinion so look they're spending opinion so look they're spending billions billions to train an llm to do billions billions to train an llm to do billions billions to train an llm to do what this thing does which is simple what this thing does which is simple what this thing does which is simple math it's freaking ridiculous math it's freaking ridiculous math it's freaking ridiculous right energy like the project from right energy like the project from right energy like the project from compared with the Russian solution for compared with the Russian solution for compared with the Russian solution for that oh yes that's a commonly used thing that oh yes that's a commonly used thing that oh yes that's a commonly used thing just use a pencil instead of a magic just use a pencil instead of a magic just use a pencil instead of a magic thousand pen gravity right the anti-gravity pen gravity right the anti-gravity pen versus the P anti-gravity pen remember versus the P anti-gravity pen remember versus the P anti-gravity pen remember that yeah you know a lot of money you that yeah you know a lot of money you that yeah you know a lot of money you know so this is such a weird deal you know so this is such a weird deal you know so this is such a weird deal you know know know um there's clearly value and a subset um there's clearly value and a subset um there's clearly value and a subset had iot use cases for had iot use cases for had iot use cases for Laura and they deliver tremendous value Laura and they deliver tremendous value Laura and they deliver tremendous value to certain sectors to certain sectors to certain sectors verticals verticals verticals but what everyone here's saying though

but what everyone here's saying though but what everyone here's saying though is it's not going to be a big money is it's not going to be a big money is it's not going to be a big money maker for maker for maker for somebody yeah that being said was there somebody yeah that being said was there somebody yeah that being said was there still great value delivered to customers still great value delivered to customers still great value delivered to customers using that technology the answer is yes using that technology the answer is yes using that technology the answer is yes so how do you so how do you so how do you reconcile TR value for an industry or a reconcile TR value for an industry or a reconcile TR value for an industry or a sector but people who are in that sector but people who are in that sector but people who are in that business doing it or maybe I I don't business doing it or maybe I I don't business doing it or maybe I I don't know who's not making money I I get what know who's not making money I I get what know who's not making money I I get what you're saying is this like a charity you're saying is this like a charity you're saying is this like a charity then or is this a government is this a then or is this a government is this a then or is this a government is this a US Aid thing instead of a business or US Aid thing instead of a business or US Aid thing instead of a business or what is this you know if I'm GNA if I'm what is this you know if I'm GNA if I'm what is this you know if I'm GNA if I'm going to help deliver Precision going to help deliver Precision going to help deliver Precision agriculture because we need to fade nine agriculture because we need to fade nine agriculture because we need to fade nine or 10 billion people by 2050 Laura is or 10 billion people by 2050 Laura is or 10 billion people by 2050 Laura is one of the best options to go with one of the best options to go with one of the best options to go with I I'm just I'm just kind of you know how I I'm just I'm just kind of you know how I I'm just I'm just kind of you know how do you reconcile the economics this is do you reconcile the economics this is do you reconcile the economics this is to me the always the same problem is the to me the always the same problem is the to me the always the same problem is the same problem is that the whole industry same problem is that the whole industry same problem is that the whole industry is looking for scale so how can you you is looking for scale so how can you you is looking for scale so how can you you sell more of this more of this with with sell more of this more of this with with sell more of this more of this with with very minimum human investment that's very minimum human investment that's very minimum human investment that's where all digital money comes from when where all digital money comes from when where all digital money comes from when you look at the Cyber Physical World you look at the Cyber Physical World you look at the Cyber Physical World start putting sensors and actuator start putting sensors and actuator start putting sensors and actuator there's an enormous amount of work of there's an enormous amount of work of there's an enormous amount of work of system integration which is driven and system integration which is driven and system integration which is driven and that does not scale right people need to that does not scale right people need to that does not scale right people need to get their hands problem of industrial get their hands problem of industrial get their hands problem of industrial iot we talked about two or three weeks iot we talked about two or three weeks iot we talked about two or three weeks ago indust iot doesn't exist because ago indust iot doesn't exist because ago indust iot doesn't exist because it's just system integration of a bunch it's just system integration of a bunch it's just system integration of a bunch of Engineers that connect the physical of Engineers that connect the physical of Engineers that connect the physical to the digital so that's the whole to the digital so that's the whole to the digital so that's the whole problem and actually if you want to be

problem and actually if you want to be problem and actually if you want to be hopeful because I would disagree with hopeful because I would disagree with hopeful because I would disagree with you leard on the fact that your AI and you leard on the fact that your AI and you leard on the fact that your AI and LM is all Bs I think what's gonna happen LM is all Bs I think what's gonna happen LM is all Bs I think what's gonna happen I say it's all Bs yeah of course I'm I say it's all Bs yeah of course I'm I say it's all Bs yeah of course I'm being controversial here so because I being controversial here so because I being controversial here so because I think over time expertise is going to think over time expertise is going to think over time expertise is going to become cheaper and cheaper and Sher so become cheaper and cheaper and Sher so become cheaper and cheaper and Sher so when the agriculture guy can use an LM when the agriculture guy can use an LM when the agriculture guy can use an LM to say hey I want to put some sensor I to say hey I want to put some sensor I to say hey I want to put some sensor I want to find a way to not have my crop want to find a way to not have my crop want to find a way to not have my crop die in the sun all the time and the tell die in the sun all the time and the tell die in the sun all the time and the tell hey why don't you put a sensor here and hey why don't you put a sensor here and hey why don't you put a sensor here and deploy a few devices and by the way I deploy a few devices and by the way I deploy a few devices and by the way I can match the devices for you so maybe can match the devices for you so maybe can match the devices for you so maybe that gap of knowledge and expertise can that gap of knowledge and expertise can that gap of knowledge and expertise can be closed by AI system and then open a be closed by AI system and then open a be closed by AI system and then open a whole lot of new use cases because the whole lot of new use cases because the whole lot of new use cases because the the the the learning is that I mean I've the the the learning is that I mean I've the the the learning is that I mean I've been playing with nfcs and a whole bunch been playing with nfcs and a whole bunch been playing with nfcs and a whole bunch of new techologies now you have an of new techologies now you have an of new techologies now you have an expert in LM and your fingertips now expert in LM and your fingertips now expert in LM and your fingertips now it's not perfect it's full of [ __ ] it's not perfect it's full of [ __ ] it's not perfect it's full of [ __ ] and you have to see to be smart but if and you have to see to be smart but if and you have to see to be smart but if we project ourself few years ahead we project ourself few years ahead we project ourself few years ahead expertise is going to become free and expertise is going to become free and expertise is going to become free and yeah well I would say that a lot of okay yeah well I would say that a lot of okay yeah well I would say that a lot of okay knowledge is sort of free these days at knowledge is sort of free these days at knowledge is sort of free these days at least information is maybe knowledge least information is maybe knowledge least information is maybe knowledge synthesis but I mean did you see that synthesis but I mean did you see that synthesis but I mean did you see that post by David lint linten come uh you post by David lint linten come uh you post by David lint linten come uh you know him right he's like the data center know him right he's like the data center know him right he's like the data center dude Cloud guy um and uh basically he dude Cloud guy um and uh basically he dude Cloud guy um and uh basically he tried to train an avatar u based off of tried to train an avatar u based off of tried to train an avatar u based off of his research and all the Publications his research and all the Publications his research and all the Publications hundreds of papers and stuff like that hundreds of papers and stuff like that hundreds of papers and stuff like that he's written and he's written and he's written and um and uh basically this thing turned

um and uh basically this thing turned um and uh basically this thing turned into like a fraking his own personal Tay into like a fraking his own personal Tay into like a fraking his own personal Tay he he said that this thing was like an he he said that this thing was like an he he said that this thing was like an [ __ ] and um he was just shocked by uh [ __ ] and um he was just shocked by uh [ __ ] and um he was just shocked by uh number one the attitude but then also um number one the attitude but then also um number one the attitude but then also um the the fact that this thing was not the the fact that this thing was not the the fact that this thing was not representing him in his knowledge base representing him in his knowledge base representing him in his knowledge base right and so there's this problem with right and so there's this problem with right and so there's this problem with the Continuum of uh knowledge and how we the Continuum of uh knowledge and how we the Continuum of uh knowledge and how we evolve in terms of our thinking our evolve in terms of our thinking our evolve in terms of our thinking our perspective and our history actually can perspective and our history actually can perspective and our history actually can be the history of our be the history of our be the history of our thinking uh that uh what do they what do thinking uh that uh what do they what do thinking uh that uh what do they what do they call it the freaking digital they call it the freaking digital they call it the freaking digital exhaust or what do they call what's that exhaust or what do they call what's that exhaust or what do they call what's that exhaust yeah you know the the digital exhaust yeah you know the the digital exhaust yeah you know the the digital thread could include a [ __ ] ton of like thread could include a [ __ ] ton of like thread could include a [ __ ] ton of like contradictory information and so at the contradictory information and so at the contradictory information and so at the end of the day when you try to create end of the day when you try to create end of the day when you try to create these knowledge or expertise avatars these knowledge or expertise avatars these knowledge or expertise avatars it's going to spew out a bunch of crap it's going to spew out a bunch of crap it's going to spew out a bunch of crap um yeah but be care be careful here um yeah but be care be careful here um yeah but be care be careful here because this this is the usual human because this this is the usual human because this this is the usual human arrogance is I'm going to take my arrogance is I'm going to take my arrogance is I'm going to take my personal life I'm going to train a model personal life I'm going to train a model personal life I'm going to train a model and then expect it to be good there's a and then expect it to be good there's a and then expect it to be good there's a granularity level I mean if you look at granularity level I mean if you look at granularity level I mean if you look at the field of mathematics or some Branch the field of mathematics or some Branch the field of mathematics or some Branch so there's a level from high to low and so there's a level from high to low and so there's a level from high to low and I think that the levels from high are I think that the levels from high are I think that the levels from high are going to be much much more accessible going to be much much more accessible going to be much much more accessible Now by LMS because again you want to Now by LMS because again you want to Now by LMS because again you want to look at the field of nfcs you want to look at the field of nfcs you want to look at the field of nfcs you want to look at certain branch of mathematics look at certain branch of mathematics look at certain branch of mathematics there is enough writing and data about there is enough writing and data about there is enough writing and data about that that the model will do a good job

that that the model will do a good job that that the model will do a good job now you're looking at a little guy some now you're looking at a little guy some now you're looking at a little guy some his own little world that want to train his own little world that want to train his own little world that want to train a model to be as smart as him and the a model to be as smart as him and the a model to be as smart as him and the mod becomes an [ __ ] yes probably so mod becomes an [ __ ] yes probably so mod becomes an [ __ ] yes probably so again it's there's no one siiz fit so again it's there's no one siiz fit so again it's there's no one siiz fit so you have to SM but but those those you have to SM but but those those you have to SM but but those those things that you're talking about the things that you're talking about the things that you're talking about the this very domain specific training which this very domain specific training which this very domain specific training which is part of thee model that you know is part of thee model that you know is part of thee model that you know that's like creating trying to create that's like creating trying to create that's like creating trying to create this I mean they literally have Ane or this I mean they literally have Ane or this I mean they literally have Ane or aspect of a AE that are training to do aspect of a AE that are training to do aspect of a AE that are training to do freaking simple math but why not when freaking simple math but why not when freaking simple math but why not when you think about expertise it's far you think about expertise it's far you think about expertise it's far beyond expertise is far beyond expert beyond expertise is far beyond expert beyond expertise is far beyond expert knowledge right and um I think or knowledge right and um I think or knowledge right and um I think or information or knowledge no but I don't information or knowledge no but I don't information or knowledge no but I don't disagree but my whole point is that it's disagree but my whole point is that it's disagree but my whole point is that it's still much better and much more still much better and much more still much better and much more effective than you having to read the effective than you having to read the effective than you having to read the internet or Wikipedia and learn on your internet or Wikipedia and learn on your internet or Wikipedia and learn on your own now you can talk to those things at own now you can talk to those things at own now you can talk to those things at a certain level and you can get a lot of a certain level and you can get a lot of a certain level and you can get a lot of at least level one or level to knowledge at least level one or level to knowledge at least level one or level to knowledge and but as a human how do you ever learn and but as a human how do you ever learn and but as a human how do you ever learn and validate that's the thing that's and validate that's the thing that's and validate that's the thing that's that's called experience right that's that's called experience right that's that's called experience right that's the sure problem yeah and again the the sure problem yeah and again the the sure problem yeah and again the field is still new and maybe the field is still new and maybe the field is still new and maybe the technology is fundamentally but again technology is fundamentally but again technology is fundamentally but again what I learned from this deeps is what I learned from this deeps is what I learned from this deeps is actually you now have a mechanism where actually you now have a mechanism where actually you now have a mechanism where you have a very smart model that can you have a very smart model that can you have a very smart model that can train a smaller one that is effective train a smaller one that is effective train a smaller one that is effective which is the way we've been doing things which is the way we've been doing things which is the way we've been doing things as humans so it's getting interesting I as humans so it's getting interesting I as humans so it's getting interesting I believe so the thing is that the only believe so the thing is that the only believe so the thing is that the only problem is that most of the people look problem is that most of the people look problem is that most of the people look at that in a 30C sound bite and sending at that in a 30C sound bite and sending at that in a 30C sound bite and sending the Nvidia stock and it goes down so you the Nvidia stock and it goes down so you the Nvidia stock and it goes down so you have to look at the broader bigger

have to look at the broader bigger have to look at the broader bigger picture and find what is good and this picture and find what is good and this picture and find what is good and this is the message here is the message here is the message here so all right so all right so all right Leonard let's let's share a look local Leonard let's let's share a look local Leonard let's let's share a look local llama instance here for folks to show llama instance here for folks to show llama instance here for folks to show them that this is real and maybe we'll them that this is real and maybe we'll them that this is real and maybe we'll do some mathematics Leonard to see if it do some mathematics Leonard to see if it do some mathematics Leonard to see if it can do as well as your four function can do as well as your four function can do as well as your four function calculator all right here I'm going to calculator all right here I'm going to calculator all right here I'm going to share my screen I'm going to just share share my screen I'm going to just share share my screen I'm going to just share a Powershell window actually okay does everybody see that actually okay does everybody see that yes all right so there's you can yes all right so there's you can yes all right so there's you can download a tool called AMA which is like download a tool called AMA which is like download a tool called AMA which is like a runtime to let you run some different a runtime to let you run some different a runtime to let you run some different llms locally and they they have some llms locally and they they have some llms locally and they they have some that you can download to choose from and that you can download to choose from and that you can download to choose from and you can run them natively you can run you can run them natively you can run you can run them natively you can run them in Docker containers and stuff like them in Docker containers and stuff like them in Docker containers and stuff like that and I'm going to be writing a bunch that and I'm going to be writing a bunch that and I'm going to be writing a bunch more in the future about this um but in more in the future about this um but in more in the future about this um but in this case I downloaded llama 3.2 from this case I downloaded llama 3.2 from this case I downloaded llama 3.2 from from meta um the 7 billion parameter one from meta um the 7 billion parameter one from meta um the 7 billion parameter one which is you know part of this is can it which is you know part of this is can it which is you know part of this is can it fit in your RAM right you know your fit in your RAM right you know your fit in your RAM right you know your ability to run it locally is dependent ability to run it locally is dependent ability to run it locally is dependent on that so let me ask llama let me ask a on that so let me ask llama let me ask a on that so let me ask llama let me ask a question let's say have you or what do question let's say have you or what do question let's say have you or what do you think about you think about you think about iot what do you think about the iot what do you think about the iot what do you think about the iot Coffee Talk iot Coffee Talk iot Coffee Talk podcast and see what we get all right podcast and see what we get all right podcast and see what we get all right you see see it's you see see it's you see see it's thinking no personal opinions or thinking no personal opinions or thinking no personal opinions or feelings I can tell you the podcast is

feelings I can tell you the podcast is feelings I can tell you the podcast is well regarded in the Tech Community well regarded in the Tech Community well regarded in the Tech Community that's accurate popular that's accurate popular that's accurate popular informative informative informative let's like a bunch of let's like a bunch of let's like a bunch of [ __ ] that means that LM who's Chris when [ __ ] that means that LM who's Chris when [ __ ] that means that LM who's Chris when running locally they can ucin right it's running locally they can ucin right it's running locally they can ucin right it's got the wrong people's names I love it got the wrong people's names I love it got the wrong people's names I love it so did it hallucinate got my name wrong all right hallucinate got my name wrong all right so let's try something else Stephanie have to Rebrand this to else Stephanie have to Rebrand this to the AI Coffee Talk hour he the AI Coffee Talk hour he the AI Coffee Talk hour he new easy math 25 what cool that was new easy math 25 what cool that was new easy math 25 what cool that was pretty quick ask it what's the most pretty quick ask it what's the most pretty quick ask it what's the most played music of all time okay so okay so funny ah oh don't even oh Jesus it is funny ah oh don't even oh Jesus it is funny ah oh don't even oh Jesus it is really good at making answer w look at ban Crosby B Crosby is answer w look at ban Crosby B Crosby is well you know he's been around for ever well you know he's been around for ever well you know he's been around for ever Sharon I think the question they're Sharon I think the question they're Sharon I think the question they're asking they're saying album sold or asking they're saying album sold or asking they're saying album sold or something like that that's yes but something like that that's yes but something like that that's yes but that's easier the the the most play is that's easier the the the most play is that's easier the the the most play is much more first subjective and multi much more first subjective and multi much more first subjective and multi channel the most Soul exactly so but

channel the most Soul exactly so but channel the most Soul exactly so but again you know that's a good example of again you know that's a good example of again you know that's a good example of exactly what I was saying with all exactly what I was saying with all exactly what I was saying with all respect iot cof talk is the best pocast respect iot cof talk is the best pocast respect iot cof talk is the best pocast ever in the whole world but we have what ever in the whole world but we have what ever in the whole world but we have what 250 or 300 episode so how much data how 250 or 300 episode so how much data how 250 or 300 episode so how much data how much knowledge that it has about that so much knowledge that it has about that so much knowledge that it has about that so and being an expert in a coffee talk is and being an expert in a coffee talk is and being an expert in a coffee talk is a very very low level of granularity a very very low level of granularity a very very low level of granularity what I'm saying that at higher level of what I'm saying that at higher level of what I'm saying that at higher level of granularity like a specific field for granularity like a specific field for granularity like a specific field for example you want to learn about NFC example you want to learn about NFC example you want to learn about NFC you're GNA find great stuff I mean I was you're GNA find great stuff I mean I was you're GNA find great stuff I mean I was able to crack some problem from scratch able to crack some problem from scratch able to crack some problem from scratch just using an LM for that because it's a just using an LM for that because it's a just using an LM for that because it's a broader field at a higher level so ation broader field at a higher level so ation broader field at a higher level so ation between the levels is is an important between the levels is is an important between the levels is is an important thing to understand yeah I think where thing to understand yeah I think where thing to understand yeah I think where where I've seen a lot of improvements where I've seen a lot of improvements where I've seen a lot of improvements and you guys probably using this every and you guys probably using this every and you guys probably using this every single day is that with the with take single day is that with the with take single day is that with the with take for example the browsers right now when for example the browsers right now when for example the browsers right now when I'm sitting doing homework with my son I'm sitting doing homework with my son I'm sitting doing homework with my son and there's a problem and I don't and there's a problem and I don't and there's a problem and I don't remember how to do it I'm like I always remember how to do it I'm like I always remember how to do it I'm like I always have to go do a quick research oh okay have to go do a quick research oh okay have to go do a quick research oh okay gotcha I'm I'm up to date now let me gotcha I'm I'm up to date now let me gotcha I'm I'm up to date now let me help you what we've been doing is taking help you what we've been doing is taking help you what we've been doing is taking a picture of the entire problem popping a picture of the entire problem popping a picture of the entire problem popping it into Google search just the image of it into Google search just the image of it into Google search just the image of the picture of the problem right and it the picture of the problem right and it the picture of the problem right and it goes out and finds a full workup of the goes out and finds a full workup of the goes out and finds a full workup of the entire problem solves it for us shows us entire problem solves it for us shows us entire problem solves it for us shows us all the examples there's videos there's all the examples there's videos there's all the examples there's videos there's whatever so I feel like with that being whatever so I feel like with that being whatever so I feel like with that being said there are a lot of really great use said there are a lot of really great use said there are a lot of really great use cases for images and data just kind of

cases for images and data just kind of cases for images and data just kind of like pulling and compiling database type like pulling and compiling database type like pulling and compiling database type information or even search engine information or even search engine information or even search engine information information information um but but just like Leonard's saying um but but just like Leonard's saying um but but just like Leonard's saying though with a lot of the things that though with a lot of the things that though with a lot of the things that he's been testing we've all been testing he's been testing we've all been testing he's been testing we've all been testing different things out right and we're different things out right and we're different things out right and we're finding a lot of flaws we're finding a finding a lot of flaws we're finding a finding a lot of flaws we're finding a lot of holes we're finding complete just lot of holes we're finding complete just lot of holes we're finding complete just mischaracterizations of specific mischaracterizations of specific mischaracterizations of specific questions we already know the answer to questions we already know the answer to questions we already know the answer to that we asked and so for that like you that we asked and so for that like you that we asked and so for that like you just you just have a lot of skepticism just you just have a lot of skepticism just you just have a lot of skepticism but like Dimitri said we are going to but like Dimitri said we are going to but like Dimitri said we are going to get to a point where it doesn't matter get to a point where it doesn't matter get to a point where it doesn't matter what we think perception wise The what we think perception wise The what we think perception wise The public's going to think well that's public's going to think well that's public's going to think well that's there that's an expert opinion well there that's an expert opinion well there that's an expert opinion well they're going to they're going to they're going to believe believe that's the problem they believe believe that's the problem they believe believe that's the problem they will believe they will not validate and will believe they will not validate and will believe they will not validate and then so the the David example is really then so the the David example is really then so the the David example is really important because this thing freaking important because this thing freaking important because this thing freaking taay out and the joke that it wasn't taay out and the joke that it wasn't taay out and the joke that it wasn't really a joke it was just really sort of really a joke it was just really sort of really a joke it was just really sort of contemplation that if you scaled this contemplation that if you scaled this contemplation that if you scaled this thing out a billion times how would that thing out a billion times how would that thing out a billion times how would that impact your person when everyone impact your person when everyone impact your person when everyone believes the Avatar that you're a you believes the Avatar that you're a you believes the Avatar that you're a you like let's say a flaming [ __ ] like let's say a flaming [ __ ] like let's say a flaming [ __ ] um to you know your actual self how much um to you know your actual self how much um to you know your actual self how much damage does that do you know it's like damage does that do you know it's like damage does that do you know it's like it's freaking it's freaking it's freaking unbelievable people will believe they'll unbelievable people will believe they'll unbelievable people will believe they'll believe the Avatar they won't believe believe the Avatar they won't believe believe the Avatar they won't believe you they won't take the time to get to you they won't take the time to get to you they won't take the time to get to know you but you you have the B burden know you but you you have the B burden know you but you you have the B burden of proving that you're not an [ __ ] I of proving that you're not an [ __ ] I of proving that you're not an [ __ ] I the problem well what to me one of the the problem well what to me one of the the problem well what to me one of the bigger problems is

bigger problems is bigger problems is that the the higher the risk or higher that the the higher the risk or higher that the the higher the risk or higher harm the harm the harm the more problematic it becomes right so in more problematic it becomes right so in more problematic it becomes right so in in areas where accuracy really counts in areas where accuracy really counts in areas where accuracy really counts right you really can't mess right you really can't mess right you really can't mess around uh so you know in in Steph's around uh so you know in in Steph's around uh so you know in in Steph's example where we doing like this example where we doing like this example where we doing like this homework assignment you know no one's homework assignment you know no one's homework assignment you know no one's gonna die because you got the answer gonna die because you got the answer gonna die because you got the answer wrong right or that you have to correct wrong right or that you have to correct wrong right or that you have to correct something what if what if that was done something what if what if that was done something what if what if that was done in like medical you know you probably in like medical you know you probably in like medical you know you probably would want your doctor to using would want your doctor to using would want your doctor to using something that gives them false something that gives them false something that gives them false information and they're making bad information and they're making bad information and they're making bad decisions based decisions based decisions based on incorrect data right and then you're on incorrect data right and then you're on incorrect data right and then you're reinforcing it because you're telling reinforcing it because you're telling reinforcing it because you're telling people the same wrong stuff over and people the same wrong stuff over and people the same wrong stuff over and over by the way Stephanie your example over by the way Stephanie your example over by the way Stephanie your example is actually extremely interesting to me is actually extremely interesting to me is actually extremely interesting to me because the first thing it shows that because the first thing it shows that because the first thing it shows that our education system and this is our education system and this is our education system and this is worldwide everywhere is basically based worldwide everywhere is basically based worldwide everywhere is basically based on solving problems that people have on solving problems that people have on solving problems that people have already solved and in a world of AI I already solved and in a world of AI I already solved and in a world of AI I think that's a fundamentally wrong think that's a fundamentally wrong think that's a fundamentally wrong problem so we should think about it very problem so we should think about it very problem so we should think about it very deeply changing our education system deeply changing our education system deeply changing our education system because those problem have been solved because those problem have been solved because those problem have been solved so why learn them learn how to that's so why learn them learn how to that's so why learn them learn how to that's what education's about education is what education's about education is what education's about education is about learning I me I think it's amazing about learning I me I think it's amazing about learning I me I think it's amazing that the same exact problem including that the same exact problem including that the same exact problem including the numbers and the character everything the numbers and the character everything the numbers and the character everything that's in that equation it it's been that's in that equation it it's been that's in that equation it it's been done it's out there and it's actually

done it's out there and it's actually done it's out there and it's actually showcasing so it's not even finding an showcasing so it's not even finding an showcasing so it's not even finding an example of one it is the actual problem example of one it is the actual problem example of one it is the actual problem that most almost 99% of the time showing that most almost 99% of the time showing that most almost 99% of the time showing me I think that that's that's pretty me I think that that's that's pretty me I think that that's that's pretty wild to me but I have to disagree there wild to me but I have to disagree there wild to me but I have to disagree there onard I think we're going to have to onard I think we're going to have to onard I think we're going to have to change education when you live in a change education when you live in a change education when you live in a world that you cannot trust or believe world that you cannot trust or believe world that you cannot trust or believe anything that you read or or or or or or anything that you read or or or or or or anything that you read or or or or or or see or listen to we're gonna have see or listen to we're gonna have see or listen to we're gonna have to you have to learn critical thinking I to you have to learn critical thinking I to you have to learn critical thinking I think that's a that's a different think that's a that's a different think that's a that's a different problem exactly exactly Pete it's like problem exactly exactly Pete it's like problem exactly exactly Pete it's like how do you learn critical thinking how how do you learn critical thinking how how do you learn critical thinking how do you develop the do you develop the do you develop the filter knowledge base there's a filter knowledge base there's a filter knowledge base there's a knowledge base and a learning base that knowledge base and a learning base that knowledge base and a learning base that you need to establish and for you need to establish and for you need to establish and for humans it's a you know it's a fraking humans it's a you know it's a fraking humans it's a you know it's a fraking tough exercise that we have to go tough exercise that we have to go tough exercise that we have to go through from like what my kids are going through from like what my kids are going through from like what my kids are going through my kids all of our kids have through my kids all of our kids have through my kids all of our kids have gone through if we have kids we we gone through if we have kids we we gone through if we have kids we we witness this and if we deprive them of witness this and if we deprive them of witness this and if we deprive them of the learning process like I mean are you the learning process like I mean are you the learning process like I mean are you going to tell me because we have this going to tell me because we have this going to tell me because we have this that no nobody should learn how to do that no nobody should learn how to do that no nobody should learn how to do math simple math I dude I mean this is a math simple math I dude I mean this is a math simple math I dude I mean this is a lot of think that we should te them how lot of think that we should te them how lot of think that we should te them how to use productivity tools instead of to use productivity tools instead of to use productivity tools instead of learning and I mean there's there are learning and I mean there's there are learning and I mean there's there are these yeah it just doesn't make any these yeah it just doesn't make any these yeah it just doesn't make any sense no but everything is in the sense no but everything is in the sense no but everything is in the balance again there's a level at which balance again there's a level at which balance again there's a level at which you have to have some fundamentals and you have to have some fundamentals and you have to have some fundamentals and then we are on Experts otherwi you're then we are on Experts otherwi you're then we are on Experts otherwi you're going to have to say everybody that going to have to say everybody that going to have to say everybody that builds a company needs to be able to do

builds a company needs to be able to do builds a company needs to be able to do every single thing on the company every single thing on the company every single thing on the company otherwise it doesn't work no you rely on otherwise it doesn't work no you rely on otherwise it doesn't work no you rely on other people what I'm saying is that the other people what I'm saying is that the other people what I'm saying is that the problem is that where you put the cursor problem is that where you put the cursor problem is that where you put the cursor and that in a world where expertise and and that in a world where expertise and and that in a world where expertise and some forms of intelligence assuming they some forms of intelligence assuming they some forms of intelligence assuming they are well assessed and actually that's are well assessed and actually that's are well assessed and actually that's probably the or certified or whatever it probably the or certified or whatever it probably the or certified or whatever it changes the way we do thing and if we changes the way we do thing and if we changes the way we do thing and if we don't Embrace that it will happen anyway don't Embrace that it will happen anyway don't Embrace that it will happen anyway and it will happen for and it will happen for and it will happen for bad you're talking but I think if you're bad you're talking but I think if you're bad you're talking but I think if you're talking about mathematics it's it for talking about mathematics it's it for talking about mathematics it's it for the most part think about it is the most part think about it is the most part think about it is universal there are things out there in universal there are things out there in universal there are things out there in these knowledge databases that are these knowledge databases that are these knowledge databases that are Universal across they're Global this is Universal across they're Global this is Universal across they're Global this is just the way it is I I think that for just the way it is I I think that for just the way it is I I think that for you know llms that those and and you know llms that those and and you know llms that those and and applying it to those things it makes applying it to those things it makes applying it to those things it makes sense where there's critical thinking sense where there's critical thinking sense where there's critical thinking involved and Analysis involved and involved and Analysis involved and involved and Analysis involved and expert opinion involved that's where I expert opinion involved that's where I expert opinion involved that's where I am probably the most frightened when it am probably the most frightened when it am probably the most frightened when it comes to Ai and then Debbie you're right comes to Ai and then Debbie you're right comes to Ai and then Debbie you're right about just the critical nature anything about just the critical nature anything about just the critical nature anything that's critical infrastructure medical that's critical infrastructure medical that's critical infrastructure medical you know health related um Public Safety you know health related um Public Safety you know health related um Public Safety related that's scares me to if I may if related that's scares me to if I may if related that's scares me to if I may if I may like analogies are at a Millions I may like analogies are at a Millions I may like analogies are at a Millions out there right the Formula One driver out there right the Formula One driver out there right the Formula One driver certainly needs to know how the car certainly needs to know how the car certainly needs to know how the car Works to really make the most out of it Works to really make the most out of it Works to really make the most out of it you don't need to know how your engine you don't need to know how your engine you don't need to know how your engine works in your car to to operate it right

works in your car to to operate it right works in your car to to operate it right a carp a carp a carp will do a fantastic job with the same will do a fantastic job with the same will do a fantastic job with the same tool you might be using at home and tool you might be using at home and tool you might be using at home and you'll do a crappy job because you're you'll do a crappy job because you're you'll do a crappy job because you're not a carpenter at the end of today not a carpenter at the end of today not a carpenter at the end of today there's going to be there is an there's going to be there is an there's going to be there is an expertise there is a sub Warfare that expertise there is a sub Warfare that expertise there is a sub Warfare that you can sorry for the French word I like you can sorry for the French word I like you can sorry for the French word I like to play Fancy problem when you have two to play Fancy problem when you have two to play Fancy problem when you have two French people on the show yeah and yeah French people on the show yeah and yeah French people on the show yeah and yeah exactly and and the the thing though is exactly and and the the thing though is exactly and and the the thing though is that you you still will need new tools that you you still will need new tools that you you still will need new tools yes to give a lot of information but you yes to give a lot of information but you yes to give a lot of information but you will still need to have maybe less will still need to have maybe less will still need to have maybe less people but some people will understand people but some people will understand people but some people will understand how to use that tool and use it well and how to use that tool and use it well and how to use that tool and use it well and and and you know maybe we'll need less and and you know maybe we'll need less and and you know maybe we'll need less experts but we'll still need some and uh experts but we'll still need some and uh experts but we'll still need some and uh and so that's that's a fact the other and so that's that's a fact the other and so that's that's a fact the other thing I wanted to to before I I you know thing I wanted to to before I I you know thing I wanted to to before I I you know lift the mic to someone else but the lift the mic to someone else but the lift the mic to someone else but the other thing is with with we're thinking other thing is with with we're thinking other thing is with with we're thinking we're talking about like the teaching we're talking about like the teaching we're talking about like the teaching the schools whatever um we need to take the schools whatever um we need to take the schools whatever um we need to take into account the cultures they're into account the cultures they're into account the cultures they're different in France you don't you don't different in France you don't you don't different in France you don't you don't go through school the same way in the US go through school the same way in the US go through school the same way in the US in the US you learn to solve problems by in the US you learn to solve problems by in the US you learn to solve problems by looking at different type of Solutions looking at different type of Solutions looking at different type of Solutions in France you learn how to learn and to in France you learn how to learn and to in France you learn how to learn and to find a solution it's it's a different find a solution it's it's a different find a solution it's it's a different way of it's I've seen both right I've way of it's I've seen both right I've way of it's I've seen both right I've I've been in us for 17 years and and I've been in us for 17 years and and I've been in us for 17 years and and went through school in France seeing my went through school in France seeing my went through school in France seeing my kids going in the US it's a different kids going in the US it's a different kids going in the US it's a different culture different way of approaching you culture different way of approaching you culture different way of approaching you know learning and so the skills are know learning and so the skills are know learning and so the skills are different at the end of the day and I do different at the end of the day and I do different at the end of the day and I do believe there's going to be an impact believe there's going to be an impact believe there's going to be an impact that's GNA be different on the different

that's GNA be different on the different that's GNA be different on the different cultures from gen in in terms of where cultures from gen in in terms of where cultures from gen in in terms of where the impact will be and in terms of how the impact will be and in terms of how the impact will be and in terms of how intense it will be have you guys called intense it will be have you guys called intense it will be have you guys called B B B yet that's another that's another yet that's another that's another yet that's another that's another dimension but but but even your argument dimension but but but even your argument dimension but but but even your argument that you know the Craftsman and the the that you know the Craftsman and the the that you know the Craftsman and the the handy things you have robot surgeon that handy things you have robot surgeon that handy things you have robot surgeon that do better Z that surgeons now so I think do better Z that surgeons now so I think do better Z that surgeons now so I think we're assuming too many things what I'm we're assuming too many things what I'm we're assuming too many things what I'm saying that it is very going to change saying that it is very going to change saying that it is very going to change very profoundly our societies and we very profoundly our societies and we very profoundly our societies and we have to start thinking about it but in have to start thinking about it but in have to start thinking about it but in the right way not in the what's the the right way not in the what's the the right way not in the what's the impact on my Nvidia stock which is what impact on my Nvidia stock which is what impact on my Nvidia stock which is what everybody's been thinking for two weeks everybody's been thinking for two weeks everybody's been thinking for two weeks although that is although that is although that is important even even example with with important even even example with with important even even example with with the robot surgery so if a robot does the robot surgery so if a robot does the robot surgery so if a robot does surgery on you and kills you you're like surgery on you and kills you you're like surgery on you and kills you you're like uh okay whoops on to the next one right uh okay whoops on to the next one right uh okay whoops on to the next one right this isn't there but it is not a reason this isn't there but it is not a reason this isn't there but it is not a reason why to forbid everybody to do a robots why to forbid everybody to do a robots why to forbid everybody to do a robots when when when surgeon robots when we when when when surgeon robots when we when when when surgeon robots when we started doing surgery as human a lot of started doing surgery as human a lot of started doing surgery as human a lot of people died too so I think much much people died too so I think much much people died too so I think much much more complicated that i' I've got a real more complicated that i' I've got a real more complicated that i' I've got a real life example have you heard about B it's life example have you heard about B it's life example have you heard about B it's the first AI that raised eight million the first AI that raised eight million the first AI that raised eight million on its on its on its own no B all right B it's free there's a own no B all right B it's free there's a own no B all right B it's free there's a number share it in I've been calling number share it in I've been calling number share it in I've been calling bardy every single day and it's doing bardy every single day and it's doing bardy every single day and it's doing what I do but at a massive level it's what I do but at a massive level it's what I do but at a massive level it's networking so it quickly ingested all my networking so it quickly ingested all my networking so it quickly ingested all my information I explained it was a live information I explained it was a live information I explained it was a live conversation it the most intelligent conversation it the most intelligent conversation it the most intelligent conversations I've had with an AI before conversations I've had with an AI before conversations I've had with an AI before and it was scary good and I've been

and it was scary good and I've been and it was scary good and I've been calling it literally every single day calling it literally every single day calling it literally every single day since and saying hey who can you since and saying hey who can you since and saying hey who can you introduce me to in the VC private Equity introduce me to in the VC private Equity introduce me to in the VC private Equity world with analysts that I shouldn't world with analysts that I shouldn't world with analysts that I shouldn't know yet like who do I not know that I know yet like who do I not know that I know yet like who do I not know that I should get to know and then it follows should get to know and then it follows should get to know and then it follows up v r Dy it raised eight million on its up v r Dy it raised eight million on its up v r Dy it raised eight million on its own just hec's talking that's a CRM own just hec's talking that's a CRM own just hec's talking that's a CRM relationship kind of knowledge base and relationship kind of knowledge base and relationship kind of knowledge base and but it sounds like it also has some but it sounds like it also has some but it sounds like it also has some recommendations based on your recommendations based on your recommendations based on your conversation so some industry or very conversation so some industry or very conversation so some industry or very specialized specialized specialized I was surprised that its ability to have I was surprised that its ability to have I was surprised that its ability to have intelligent conversation and make intelligent conversation and make intelligent conversation and make relevant recommendations relevant recommendations relevant recommendations soing was actually it's actually doing soing was actually it's actually doing soing was actually it's actually doing something for me it's moving the needle something for me it's moving the needle something for me it's moving the needle that's cool yeah I mean like in the that's cool yeah I mean like in the that's cool yeah I mean like in the marketing World AI has it's been it's marketing World AI has it's been it's marketing World AI has it's been it's changing the industry um whether the changing the industry um whether the changing the industry um whether the marketers agencies like it or not just marketers agencies like it or not just marketers agencies like it or not just the tools the resources the imagination the tools the resources the imagination the tools the resources the imagination the creativity uh availability that's the creativity uh availability that's the creativity uh availability that's out there is and just the mass out there is and just the mass out there is and just the mass production that can take place as a production that can take place as a production that can take place as a result of that especially with ad result of that especially with ad result of that especially with ad generation and then changing ads on the generation and then changing ads on the generation and then changing ads on the Fly you know real time because they see Fly you know real time because they see Fly you know real time because they see things aren't like there's just a lot of things aren't like there's just a lot of things aren't like there's just a lot of changing Dynamics that's happening changing Dynamics that's happening changing Dynamics that's happening because you you are taking the people because you you are taking the people because you you are taking the people the human factor out and putting in some the human factor out and putting in some the human factor out and putting in some other level of intelligence um so I do other level of intelligence um so I do other level of intelligence um so I do see some I do see specific Industries see some I do see specific Industries see some I do see specific Industries where there's some Mass change happening where there's some Mass change happening where there's some Mass change happening oh yeah and um for the better um but I'm oh yeah and um for the better um but I'm oh yeah and um for the better um but I'm always going to be the skeptic by the

always going to be the skeptic by the always going to be the skeptic by the way I had my um my cousin had a way I had my um my cousin had a way I had my um my cousin had a procedure recently and she had a a robot procedure recently and she had a a robot procedure recently and she had a a robot assisted surgery so there was a surgeon assisted surgery so there was a surgeon assisted surgery so there was a surgeon there but the robot helped with the there but the robot helped with the there but the robot helped with the robot assisted surgery apparently the robot assisted surgery apparently the robot assisted surgery apparently the data shows that the recovery time is way data shows that the recovery time is way data shows that the recovery time is way faster you know it's it's more faster you know it's it's more faster you know it's it's more precise and and it's a less invasive precise and and it's a less invasive precise and and it's a less invasive traumatic tripe of procedure so I think traumatic tripe of procedure so I think traumatic tripe of procedure so I think what we're going to see is using AI as a what we're going to see is using AI as a what we're going to see is using AI as a as an amplifier for people's as an amplifier for people's as an amplifier for people's capabilities I see it as a I have no capabilities I see it as a I have no capabilities I see it as a I have no problems with AI assisting I have I have problems with AI assisting I have I have problems with AI assisting I have I have a huge problem with people wanting AI to a huge problem with people wanting AI to a huge problem with people wanting AI to somehow take over right sub so that's somehow take over right sub so that's somehow take over right sub so that's that's why I feel like a lot of the that's why I feel like a lot of the that's why I feel like a lot of the bigger players that's what they're bigger players that's what they're bigger players that's what they're aiming for they're trying to say Hey you aiming for they're trying to say Hey you aiming for they're trying to say Hey you know fire your employees because they know fire your employees because they know fire your employees because they suck because AI can do their exact job suck because AI can do their exact job suck because AI can do their exact job they actually no it they actually no it they actually no it can't this is unfortunately going to can't this is unfortunately going to can't this is unfortunately going to happen because the same thing we we happen because the same thing we we happen because the same thing we we increase Revenue reduce profit until we increase Revenue reduce profit until we increase Revenue reduce profit until we get out of this Obsession of increased get out of this Obsession of increased get out of this Obsession of increased revenue and reduce profit people will revenue and reduce profit people will revenue and reduce profit people will try it will it might work in some places try it will it might work in some places try it will it might work in some places it will fail in others this is going to it will fail in others this is going to it will fail in others this is going to happen and all I'm saying is that we happen and all I'm saying is that we happen and all I'm saying is that we just need to start thinking and be just need to start thinking and be just need to start thinking and be prepared for that the problem is we prepared for that the problem is we prepared for that the problem is we really touching at the essence of really touching at the essence of really touching at the essence of humanity which is kind of intelligence humanity which is kind of intelligence humanity which is kind of intelligence and then obviously the opposition starts and then obviously the opposition starts and then obviously the opposition starts on the machine is going to be better on the machine is going to be better on the machine is going to be better than I going to be a battle as opposed than I going to be a battle as opposed than I going to be a battle as opposed to how do we work together because this to how do we work together because this to how do we work together because this is what's going to happen long term is what's going to happen long term is what's going to happen long term they're going to be tons of Crisis don't they're going to be tons of Crisis don't they're going to be tons of Crisis don't get me wrong but I do believe that we get me wrong but I do believe that we get me wrong but I do believe that we should really really spend time should really really spend time should really really spend time understanding those things and and also

understanding those things and and also understanding those things and and also regulating thing which is very difficult regulating thing which is very difficult regulating thing which is very difficult to do as well but it will change the to do as well but it will change the to do as well but it will change the world whether you like it or not because world whether you like it or not because world whether you like it or not because humany to now we have that speak our humany to now we have that speak our humany to now we have that speak our language yeah I agree but the again the language yeah I agree but the again the language yeah I agree but the again the the point I'm saying is that uh the the point I'm saying is that uh the the point I'm saying is that uh the human should still be in the driver's human should still be in the driver's human should still be in the driver's seat right even if they're assisted by seat right even if they're assisted by seat right even if they're assisted by these Technologies but the the time these Technologies but the the time these Technologies but the the time where you get where you feel like the where you get where you feel like the where you get where you feel like the the technology should be a decision the technology should be a decision the technology should be a decision maker that's maker that's maker that's wrong and have to drop any second now wrong and have to drop any second now wrong and have to drop any second now and he's recording we have to wrap this and he's recording we have to wrap this and he's recording we have to wrap this up unfortunately I've got one more plug up unfortunately I've got one more plug up unfortunately I've got one more plug it's happening end of February at it's happening end of February at it's happening end of February at bangers it's an Austin part of the edj bangers it's an Austin part of the edj bangers it's an Austin part of the edj so Tom white and I were put out an event so Tom white and I were put out an event so Tom white and I were put out an event a lot of you already got it if you're a lot of you already got it if you're a lot of you already got it if you're not definitely there in Austin at not definitely there in Austin at not definitely there in Austin at bangers the last we saw that this bangers the last we saw that this bangers the last we saw that this morning Chris yes Aji foundation in morning Chris yes Aji foundation in morning Chris yes Aji foundation in Austin me and Tom are yeah me me and Tom Austin me and Tom are yeah me me and Tom Austin me and Tom are yeah me me and Tom w all right party in Austin and Feb w all right party in Austin and Feb w all right party in Austin and Feb that's that's that's right Rob if there's barbecue I'll be right Rob if there's barbecue I'll be right Rob if there's barbecue I'll be there I'll be there barue get Barbe all there I'll be there barue get Barbe all there I'll be there barue get Barbe all right so thanks everybody for joining us right so thanks everybody for joining us right so thanks everybody for joining us on iot Coffey talk we are a lot about AI on iot Coffey talk we are a lot about AI on iot Coffey talk we are a lot about AI today you know are you we're all today you know are you we're all today you know are you we're all thinking gosh how can we profit off of thinking gosh how can we profit off of thinking gosh how can we profit off of this I was just compiling I mean Google this I was just compiling I mean Google this I was just compiling I mean Google 75 billion Microsoft 80 billion Stargate 75 billion Microsoft 80 billion Stargate 75 billion Microsoft 80 billion Stargate 100 billion on 100 billion meta 65 100 billion on 100 billion meta 65 100 billion on 100 billion meta 65 billion this year those companies are

billion this year those companies are billion this year those companies are spending that much money on AI spending that much money on AI spending that much money on AI infrastructure infrastructure infrastructure wow maybe think about your stock wow maybe think about your stock wow maybe think about your stock portfolio don't this is all for portfolio don't this is all for portfolio don't this is all for entertainment purposes though who who entertainment purposes though who who entertainment purposes though who who stands to gain when somebody's spending stands to gain when somebody's spending stands to gain when somebody's spending that kind of money building data centers that kind of money building data centers that kind of money building data centers you can figure it out yourselves I think you can figure it out yourselves I think you can figure it out yourselves I think thanks so much for joining us also it's thanks so much for joining us also it's thanks so much for joining us also it's America wear red day so just to America wear red day so just to America wear red day so just to highlight the um oh heart heart American highlight the um oh heart heart American highlight the um oh heart heart American heart you heart you heart you know so yeah so if you're that's why I'm know so yeah so if you're that's why I'm know so yeah so if you're that's why I'm wearing red today all right even better wearing red today all right even better wearing red today all right even better even better we'll see you next week and even better we'll see you next week and even better we'll see you next week and we'll see you in Austin Austin see you we'll see you in Austin Austin see you we'll see you in Austin Austin see you in Austin see you guys