IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 152 - The Best of Both Worlds (Digital & Real)

from a Van Halen song Leonard that's all from a Van Halen song Leonard that's all I can figure out the best of both worlds thank you thank you [Music] yes yes [Applause] I picked this up I picked this up whoa that is gorgeous yeah wow whoa that is gorgeous yeah wow whoa that is gorgeous yeah wow nice nice nice nice nice nice costume change there Steve I love that costume change there Steve I love that costume change there Steve I love that yeah it was so fast yeah it was so fast yeah it was so fast got so much crap last week from Leonard got so much crap last week from Leonard got so much crap last week from Leonard for not wearing mine so I had to I had for not wearing mine so I had to I had for not wearing mine so I had to I had to put it out and get ready to put it out and get ready to put it out and get ready awesome awesome awesome I think my kids are tired of seeing me I think my kids are tired of seeing me I think my kids are tired of seeing me in it to represent right right so you got to to represent right right so you got to you got to just like Daffy Duck is you got to just like Daffy Duck is you got to just like Daffy Duck is representing with Bill representing with Bill representing with Bill [Laughter] there you go there you go sounds like a song sounds like a song sounds like a song [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] let's ride it go yeah

let's ride it go yeah let's ride it go yeah well it's a thing about uh well it's a thing about uh well it's a thing about uh um you know live conferences or um you know live conferences or um you know live conferences or in-person conferences for a lot of them in-person conferences for a lot of them in-person conferences for a lot of them like musical instruments you have to try like musical instruments you have to try like musical instruments you have to try this stuff you know and uh this this this stuff you know and uh this this this stuff you know and uh this this guitar I was gonna buy last year but I guitar I was gonna buy last year but I guitar I was gonna buy last year but I didn't pull the trigger on it because I didn't pull the trigger on it because I didn't pull the trigger on it because I already had to order in for the red one already had to order in for the red one already had to order in for the red one right back here right back here right back here um and but this year I I pulled the um and but this year I I pulled the um and but this year I I pulled the trigger and it's by a Japanese trigger and it's by a Japanese trigger and it's by a Japanese um guitar I was about to say auto um guitar I was about to say auto um guitar I was about to say auto manufacturer manufacturer manufacturer manufacturer yeah they have a custom manufacturer yeah they have a custom manufacturer yeah they have a custom shop here I think in um is it Escondido shop here I think in um is it Escondido shop here I think in um is it Escondido or Encinitas somewhere uh yeah well yeah or Encinitas somewhere uh yeah well yeah or Encinitas somewhere uh yeah well yeah actually San Diego has a lot of great uh actually San Diego has a lot of great uh actually San Diego has a lot of great uh guitar companies you know Taylor Guitars guitar companies you know Taylor Guitars guitar companies you know Taylor Guitars is uh based out of here Kiesel is uh based out of here Kiesel is uh based out of here Kiesel um and a few others Harvard yeah yeah um and a few others Harvard yeah yeah um and a few others Harvard yeah yeah yeah yeah and uh you know amps you know yeah yeah and uh you know amps you know yeah yeah and uh you know amps you know pa uh PA guitar amp companies it's kind pa uh PA guitar amp companies it's kind pa uh PA guitar amp companies it's kind of like beer you know we you know how we of like beer you know we you know how we of like beer you know we you know how we have like craft beer here in San Diego have like craft beer here in San Diego have like craft beer here in San Diego we're famous for that we're famous for that we're famous for that um um um [Music] [Music] [Music] yeah we're kind of famous for for uh yeah we're kind of famous for for uh yeah we're kind of famous for for uh guitar stuff so and uh pas and guitar stuff so and uh pas and guitar stuff so and uh pas and electronics so you know music and electronics so you know music and electronics so you know music and electronics so it's kind of cool long electronics so it's kind of cool long electronics so it's kind of cool long Legacy I mean a legacy that stretches Legacy I mean a legacy that stretches Legacy I mean a legacy that stretches back to the 40s you know uh and it's back to the 40s you know uh and it's back to the 40s you know uh and it's amazing when you go to The NAMM Show amazing when you go to The NAMM Show amazing when you go to The NAMM Show hold on you probably couldn't even hear

hold on you probably couldn't even hear hold on you probably couldn't even hear me right uh it's amazing when you go to me right uh it's amazing when you go to me right uh it's amazing when you go to The NAMM Show The NAMM Show The NAMM Show that uh um you you really get a great that uh um you you really get a great that uh um you you really get a great feel for how technology has influenced feel for how technology has influenced feel for how technology has influenced the industry electronics and uh just the industry electronics and uh just the industry electronics and uh just technology in general has influenced and technology in general has influenced and technology in general has influenced and digitally disrupted the industry right digitally disrupted the industry right digitally disrupted the industry right and and that's one of the reasons why I and and that's one of the reasons why I and and that's one of the reasons why I go and also I don't want to go to like go and also I don't want to go to like go and also I don't want to go to like Telco and iot conferences all the time Telco and iot conferences all the time Telco and iot conferences all the time you know see the same people see the you know see the same people see the you know see the same people see the same stuff you know and you know one of same stuff you know and you know one of same stuff you know and you know one of the reasons why I go to shows like Nam the reasons why I go to shows like Nam the reasons why I go to shows like Nam at as well as NAB the NAB show I was I at as well as NAB the NAB show I was I at as well as NAB the NAB show I was I just got back from the NAB show which is just got back from the NAB show which is just got back from the NAB show which is the National Association of broadcasters the National Association of broadcasters the National Association of broadcasters um uh conference that thing is 100 years um uh conference that thing is 100 years um uh conference that thing is 100 years old you know they've been doing that old you know they've been doing that old you know they've been doing that thing for 100 years and um their thing for 100 years and um their thing for 100 years and um their problems the way that they are problems the way that they are problems the way that they are challenged with Spectrum technology is challenged with Spectrum technology is challenged with Spectrum technology is is actually very different from what is actually very different from what is actually very different from what mobile operators and iot people are mobile operators and iot people are mobile operators and iot people are thinking but it's interesting to see thinking but it's interesting to see thinking but it's interesting to see them uh talk about iot and uh you know them uh talk about iot and uh you know them uh talk about iot and uh you know so who did Leonard let me can because I so who did Leonard let me can because I so who did Leonard let me can because I mean I have a pending new client that mean I have a pending new client that mean I have a pending new client that was there yeah and so what did you hear was there yeah and so what did you hear was there yeah and so what did you hear about that about that about that um related to data cast and multicast um related to data cast and multicast um related to data cast and multicast you know 5G multicasting broadcast you know 5G multicasting broadcast you know 5G multicasting broadcast um tried to find ways to was it atsc 3.0 um tried to find ways to was it atsc 3.0 um tried to find ways to was it atsc 3.0 yes yes so was that like a Scripps or a

yes yes so was that like a Scripps or a yes yes so was that like a Scripps or a next star or any of those guys talking next star or any of those guys talking next star or any of those guys talking about it no no it was Sinclair about it no no it was Sinclair about it no no it was Sinclair um um um yeah yeah so what did Sinclair have to yeah yeah so what did Sinclair have to yeah yeah so what did Sinclair have to say for themselves because are you guys say for themselves because are you guys say for themselves because are you guys familiar with atsc 3.0 no familiar with atsc 3.0 no familiar with atsc 3.0 no so it is so it is so it is the TV broadcasters like Sinclair yeah the TV broadcasters like Sinclair yeah the TV broadcasters like Sinclair yeah have a have frequencies have a have frequencies have a have frequencies that send out this atsc 3.0 onto a Sony that send out this atsc 3.0 onto a Sony that send out this atsc 3.0 onto a Sony chipset that are in your 4K TVs yeah chipset that are in your 4K TVs yeah chipset that are in your 4K TVs yeah that is the antenna based high def that is the antenna based high def that is the antenna based high def signal that comes from a TV tower signal that comes from a TV tower signal that comes from a TV tower up to your devices or to your TVs yep it up to your devices or to your TVs yep it up to your devices or to your TVs yep it is a simplex one way is a simplex one way is a simplex one way so you think about uh cars for so you think about uh cars for so you think about uh cars for infotainment that'll be all this data infotainment that'll be all this data infotainment that'll be all this data coming in from the TV tower to the car coming in from the TV tower to the car coming in from the TV tower to the car infotainment scenario so it doesn't have infotainment scenario so it doesn't have infotainment scenario so it doesn't have to go through the 5G or 4G LTE chipset to go through the 5G or 4G LTE chipset to go through the 5G or 4G LTE chipset or module yeah but it's one to Millions or module yeah but it's one to Millions or module yeah but it's one to Millions like you could broadcast this stuff out like you could broadcast this stuff out like you could broadcast this stuff out to millions of people at simultaneously to millions of people at simultaneously to millions of people at simultaneously with large data throughputs yeah which with large data throughputs yeah which with large data throughputs yeah which is incredible when you think about it is incredible when you think about it is incredible when you think about it from an OT perspective Sinclair is doing from an OT perspective Sinclair is doing from an OT perspective Sinclair is doing their own thing they've they've taken their own thing they've they've taken their own thing they've they've taken their own product offering around it their own product offering around it their own product offering around it while the others are we are in the

while the others are we are in the while the others are we are in the middle of this at the same time so I'm middle of this at the same time so I'm middle of this at the same time so I'm so glad that they were talking about it so glad that they were talking about it so glad that they were talking about it because it's a it's going to be because it's a it's going to be because it's a it's going to be interesting because again while you interesting because again while you interesting because again while you broadcast down one way you still got to broadcast down one way you still got to broadcast down one way you still got to send this stuff back send this stuff back send this stuff back so the the issue that Sinclair has got so the the issue that Sinclair has got so the the issue that Sinclair has got is okay I'm going to put the I'm going is okay I'm going to put the I'm going is okay I'm going to put the I'm going to put the chips the Sony chipset into to put the chips the Sony chipset into to put the chips the Sony chipset into these things but oh now I got to go these things but oh now I got to go these things but oh now I got to go out on 4G LTE on the back hall or out on 4G LTE on the back hall or out on 4G LTE on the back hall or anything back out and Sinclair doesn't anything back out and Sinclair doesn't anything back out and Sinclair doesn't have those kind of relationships so it's have those kind of relationships so it's have those kind of relationships so it's it's it's it's but yeah and and that and that's exactly but yeah and and that and that's exactly but yeah and and that and that's exactly that's one of the use cases they were that's one of the use cases they were that's one of the use cases they were talking about Automotive the other thing talking about Automotive the other thing talking about Automotive the other thing that they were talking about is that they were talking about is that they were talking about is um OTA you know just iot OTA stuff you um OTA you know just iot OTA stuff you um OTA you know just iot OTA stuff you know more updates broadcasting that I know more updates broadcasting that I know more updates broadcasting that I mean security is a big concern but if mean security is a big concern but if mean security is a big concern but if it's but it's really security at the it's but it's really security at the it's but it's really security at the source trusting The Source source trusting The Source source trusting The Source um and then um because there is so much um and then um because there is so much um and then um because there is so much bandwidth available yeah it's like talk bandwidth available yeah it's like talk bandwidth available yeah it's like talk to them about to them about to them about potentially encrypting the data from the potentially encrypting the data from the potentially encrypting the data from the TV TV TV antenna yeah to the device to the to the antenna yeah to the device to the to the antenna yeah to the device to the to the Sony chipset so Sony chipset so Sony chipset so um very interesting stuff I'm glad that um very interesting stuff I'm glad that um very interesting stuff I'm glad that was talked about was talked about was talked about yeah yeah and um but it's still early yeah yeah and um but it's still early yeah yeah and um but it's still early days working on this for ramping up to days working on this for ramping up to days working on this for ramping up to this for 10 years this for 10 years this for 10 years and it feels just like 5G you know what

and it feels just like 5G you know what and it feels just like 5G you know what I'm saying like and iot and everything I'm saying like and iot and everything I'm saying like and iot and everything else and I I think that's really the else and I I think that's really the else and I I think that's really the Crux of our show right it's like look Crux of our show right it's like look Crux of our show right it's like look guys we can talk you know a Wizard of Oz guys we can talk you know a Wizard of Oz guys we can talk you know a Wizard of Oz nonsense all day long it's not going to nonsense all day long it's not going to nonsense all day long it's not going to get you anywhere you know you come on to get you anywhere you know you come on to get you anywhere you know you come on to our show and you talk about stuff like our show and you talk about stuff like our show and you talk about stuff like this this this it's going to open your eyes it's gonna it's going to open your eyes it's gonna it's going to open your eyes it's gonna also give you an idea how tough this also give you an idea how tough this also give you an idea how tough this crap is and the Dynamics of how you what crap is and the Dynamics of how you what crap is and the Dynamics of how you what you need to do to actually create a you need to do to actually create a you need to do to actually create a market and none of that stuff is easy I market and none of that stuff is easy I market and none of that stuff is easy I mean you know listening to their stories mean you know listening to their stories mean you know listening to their stories you realize these guys are up on stage you realize these guys are up on stage you realize these guys are up on stage going yeah you know we have to Pivot going yeah you know we have to Pivot going yeah you know we have to Pivot we're still pivoting we're still trying we're still pivoting we're still trying we're still pivoting we're still trying to figure out okay the initial thesis to figure out okay the initial thesis to figure out okay the initial thesis didn't work out so now we're we continue didn't work out so now we're we continue didn't work out so now we're we continue to Pivot as we try to figure out okay to Pivot as we try to figure out okay to Pivot as we try to figure out okay how do we deliver on some of these how do we deliver on some of these how do we deliver on some of these promises that are diminishing over time promises that are diminishing over time promises that are diminishing over time and that that's something that everybody and that that's something that everybody and that that's something that everybody needs to think about well and the other needs to think about well and the other needs to think about well and the other thing too that I think is a challenge thing too that I think is a challenge thing too that I think is a challenge for all of us the five of us for sure is for all of us the five of us for sure is for all of us the five of us for sure is figuring out the use cases that people figuring out the use cases that people figuring out the use cases that people are willing to pay for yeah yeah exactly are willing to pay for yeah yeah exactly are willing to pay for yeah yeah exactly but but even the the thing is is that but but even the the thing is is that but but even the the thing is is that here's a challenge with large-scale here's a challenge with large-scale here's a challenge with large-scale Innovation is that it requires a lot of Innovation is that it requires a lot of Innovation is that it requires a lot of um a mind share up front uh um a mind share up front uh um a mind share up front uh infrastructure Investments and stuff infrastructure Investments and stuff infrastructure Investments and stuff like that and it's really tough to sell like that and it's really tough to sell like that and it's really tough to sell that and that and that and um you know um you know um you know when we when we're you know look at all when we when we're you know look at all when we when we're you know look at all this AI generative AI stuff and we keep

this AI generative AI stuff and we keep this AI generative AI stuff and we keep going back to this because I think it's going back to this because I think it's going back to this because I think it's just the most prevailing nonsense out just the most prevailing nonsense out just the most prevailing nonsense out there you know people have really not there you know people have really not there you know people have really not thought this stuff out you know they are thought this stuff out you know they are thought this stuff out you know they are they are really thinking in terms of they are really thinking in terms of they are really thinking in terms of like the end State and so this this like the end State and so this this like the end State and so this this smells just like the the you know the smells just like the the you know the smells just like the the you know the the 5G dung uh Heap you know the 5G dung uh Heap you know the 5G dung uh Heap you know um the the friggin data cast dung Heap um the the friggin data cast dung Heap um the the friggin data cast dung Heap it it just it just smells like it you it it just it just smells like it you it it just it just smells like it you know what actually it smells really good know what actually it smells really good know what actually it smells really good it smells like the bathrooms at well at least on the on this stuff that well at least on the on this stuff that Sinclair was talking about uh Sinclair was talking about uh Sinclair was talking about uh I can I can I can get use cases I mean I I can I can I can get use cases I mean I I can I can I can get use cases I mean I I you know whether it's OTA whether you I you know whether it's OTA whether you I you know whether it's OTA whether you know something I mean just think about know something I mean just think about know something I mean just think about it Rob from your standpoint coverage it Rob from your standpoint coverage it Rob from your standpoint coverage off a TV tower in the middle of nowhere off a TV tower in the middle of nowhere off a TV tower in the middle of nowhere for a smart AG situation with unlimited for a smart AG situation with unlimited for a smart AG situation with unlimited bandwidth that's sending it down to I bandwidth that's sending it down to I bandwidth that's sending it down to I mean that's we don't have to worry about mean that's we don't have to worry about mean that's we don't have to worry about coverage issues and back calls and 4GS coverage issues and back calls and 4GS coverage issues and back calls and 4GS and 5gs and if this stuff works and 5gs and if this stuff works and 5gs and if this stuff works right look at that the negative piece is right look at that the negative piece is right look at that the negative piece is that it's not like we're going to that it's not like we're going to that it's not like we're going to Qualcomm for the chipset we're going to Qualcomm for the chipset we're going to Qualcomm for the chipset we're going to Sony for it you know and so how does the

Sony for it you know and so how does the Sony for it you know and so how does the Sony chipset work with the wireless tip Sony chipset work with the wireless tip Sony chipset work with the wireless tip it's like and then how does the platform it's like and then how does the platform it's like and then how does the platform work with this thing so there's all work with this thing so there's all work with this thing so there's all those kinds of technology I will tell those kinds of technology I will tell those kinds of technology I will tell you you know you you know you you know yeah at 67 years old having been doing yeah at 67 years old having been doing yeah at 67 years old having been doing this for 34 years new stuff like this is this for 34 years new stuff like this is this for 34 years new stuff like this is freaking cool for you all of us you know freaking cool for you all of us you know freaking cool for you all of us you know to find new ways of doing things and new to find new ways of doing things and new to find new ways of doing things and new technologies and figuring it out I I technologies and figuring it out I I technologies and figuring it out I I just man this is just so much fun it's just man this is just so much fun it's just man this is just so much fun it's really cool you're 67. really cool you're 67. really cool you're 67. I thought you were at least 80. come on I thought you were at least 80. come on I thought you were at least 80. come on man you know but I also played four games to you know but I also played four games to 160 points last night on the basketball 160 points last night on the basketball 160 points last night on the basketball court and have a tournament this weekend court and have a tournament this weekend court and have a tournament this weekend so keep up if you can old men oh yeah so keep up if you can old men oh yeah so keep up if you can old men oh yeah yeah good point well said Leonard why don't good point well said Leonard why don't you go ahead and cancel yourself now you're at your age you're ageist you're at your age you're ageist and we're only and we're only and we're only generative generative generative a screen anyways a screen anyways a screen anyways I love uh I love how I love Elon musk's I love uh I love how I love Elon musk's I love uh I love how I love Elon musk's comment about being labeled as specious comment about being labeled as specious comment about being labeled as specious by Larry Page yeah love that from that by Larry Page yeah love that from that by Larry Page yeah love that from that from his interview a couple nights ago from his interview a couple nights ago from his interview a couple nights ago that you know real related to obviously

that you know real related to obviously that you know real related to obviously this whole AI stuff that was a great this whole AI stuff that was a great this whole AI stuff that was a great interview by the way yeah I know I interview by the way yeah I know I interview by the way yeah I know I listened to it in the car both both listened to it in the car both both listened to it in the car both both nights um nights um nights um guy ELO I'm so smart you know um he just guy ELO I'm so smart you know um he just guy ELO I'm so smart you know um he just is he's on another plane and it's is he's on another plane and it's is he's on another plane and it's interesting because you know obviously interesting because you know obviously interesting because you know obviously we're talking about this AI stuff and I we're talking about this AI stuff and I we're talking about this AI stuff and I had a flashback when he um had a flashback when he um had a flashback when he um they're asking like what you know uh I they're asking like what you know uh I they're asking like what you know uh I guess Tucker was saying what the heck is guess Tucker was saying what the heck is guess Tucker was saying what the heck is spaces or why do we care you know and spaces or why do we care you know and spaces or why do we care you know and Larry Page is like going well Larry Page is like going well Larry Page is like going well Consciousness should be the same you Consciousness should be the same you Consciousness should be the same you know whether it's digital or a human or know whether it's digital or a human or know whether it's digital or a human or whatever and all of a sudden I was like whatever and all of a sudden I was like whatever and all of a sudden I was like oh my God this is 2010 Space Odyssey 2 oh my God this is 2010 Space Odyssey 2 oh my God this is 2010 Space Odyssey 2 when they're finding a new way to kill when they're finding a new way to kill when they're finding a new way to kill Hal but one of the crew members said it Hal but one of the crew members said it Hal but one of the crew members said it makes no difference if you're based on makes no difference if you're based on makes no difference if you're based on Silicon or carbon we should all be Silicon or carbon we should all be Silicon or carbon we should all be treated with the same respect you know treated with the same respect you know treated with the same respect you know and like Roy scheider's like and like Roy scheider's like and like Roy scheider's like so it's either them or us I pick us and so it's either them or us I pick us and so it's either them or us I pick us and and that's what elon's saying I think and that's what elon's saying I think and that's what elon's saying I think Humanity you know this is um this is Humanity you know this is um this is Humanity you know this is um this is like what Andrew Yang ran on when he ran like what Andrew Yang ran on when he ran like what Andrew Yang ran on when he ran for president Humanity first I choose us for president Humanity first I choose us for president Humanity first I choose us this technology needs to be to serve us this technology needs to be to serve us this technology needs to be to serve us not to supersede us or replace us you not to supersede us or replace us you not to supersede us or replace us you know with their with its AI capability know with their with its AI capability know with their with its AI capability and I have to say that the 60 Minutes and I have to say that the 60 Minutes and I have to say that the 60 Minutes episode on Sunday night yeah pretty damn episode on Sunday night yeah pretty damn episode on Sunday night yeah pretty damn good job of laying it out for America good job of laying it out for America good job of laying it out for America right I mean yeah a lot of people don't right I mean yeah a lot of people don't right I mean yeah a lot of people don't like listening to interviews like you like listening to interviews like you like listening to interviews like you and I or you know all of us do and

and I or you know all of us do and and I or you know all of us do and understanding it from our way or like understanding it from our way or like understanding it from our way or like last week's episode that we talked about last week's episode that we talked about last week's episode that we talked about um but I they did a pretty damn good job um but I they did a pretty damn good job um but I they did a pretty damn good job even to the point of where I had to even to the point of where I had to even to the point of where I had to spent 15 minutes with my 88 year old spent 15 minutes with my 88 year old spent 15 minutes with my 88 year old mother trying to explain it talk about a mother trying to explain it talk about a mother trying to explain it talk about a challenge what's that AI again what's that AI again and it's so funny because I said to her and it's so funny because I said to her and it's so funny because I said to her mom do you remember like 30 40 years ago mom do you remember like 30 40 years ago mom do you remember like 30 40 years ago when I said that I was making a career when I said that I was making a career when I said that I was making a career out of selling air and you didn't I had out of selling air and you didn't I had out of selling air and you didn't I had to explain that to you also I felt like to explain that to you also I felt like to explain that to you also I felt like the same conversation regurgitating like the same conversation regurgitating like the same conversation regurgitating like this is what a this is what a this is what a you know she was probably saying like oh you know she was probably saying like oh you know she was probably saying like oh Stevie this is exactly the Chia Pet rob it was just a exactly the Chia Pet rob it was just a champion we're gonna make millions champion we're gonna make millions champion we're gonna make millions selling Chia Pets yeah [Laughter] [Laughter] yeah but you know there is this I mean yeah but you know there is this I mean yeah but you know there is this I mean you know you guys are making a a great you know you guys are making a a great you know you guys are making a a great Point Humanity first and there's this Point Humanity first and there's this Point Humanity first and there's this there is this techno religion I mean there is this techno religion I mean there is this techno religion I mean people that just go around thinking uh people that just go around thinking uh people that just go around thinking uh they worship technology you know almost they worship technology you know almost they worship technology you know almost like a religion they'll tell you oh if like a religion they'll tell you oh if like a religion they'll tell you oh if you're not with digital transformation you're not with digital transformation you're not with digital transformation then you're just yeah you're you're out then you're just yeah you're you're out then you're just yeah you're you're out of it you you don't know what you're of it you you don't know what you're of it you you don't know what you're talking about you're uh you're a

talking about you're uh you're a talking about you're uh you're a freaking old fogy or whatever it's like freaking old fogy or whatever it's like freaking old fogy or whatever it's like no it's I you have to appreciate our no it's I you have to appreciate our no it's I you have to appreciate our Humanity exactly before you start Humanity exactly before you start Humanity exactly before you start looking at technology and how it can looking at technology and how it can looking at technology and how it can help but everyone's talking about help but everyone's talking about help but everyone's talking about replacement I mean they're you know replacement I mean they're you know replacement I mean they're you know replacing human beings and just you know replacing human beings and just you know replacing human beings and just you know relying on AIS yeah to do jobs as well relying on AIS yeah to do jobs as well relying on AIS yeah to do jobs as well as to create and displace partisans like as to create and displace partisans like as to create and displace partisans like you you understand why there is art you you understand why there is art you you understand why there is art is because there's a human drive to is because there's a human drive to is because there's a human drive to existence ourselves and we enjoy the existence ourselves and we enjoy the existence ourselves and we enjoy the process like I love playing guitar I process like I love playing guitar I process like I love playing guitar I can't stop it's just what I do it's part can't stop it's just what I do it's part can't stop it's just what I do it's part of Don't Stop Till You Get Enough there of Don't Stop Till You Get Enough there of Don't Stop Till You Get Enough there you go I think the scariest thing about all of I think the scariest thing about all of the interviews that we said this week is the interviews that we said this week is the interviews that we said this week is that we are already it sounds like we that we are already it sounds like we that we are already it sounds like we have already surpassed like the AI has have already surpassed like the AI has have already surpassed like the AI has already surpassed a whole level of not already surpassed a whole level of not already surpassed a whole level of not including the ethics the values the including the ethics the values the including the ethics the values the humanity discussion like we are already humanity discussion like we are already humanity discussion like we are already way past that and so like to me I have a way past that and so like to me I have a way past that and so like to me I have a massive fear in terms of what kind of massive fear in terms of what kind of massive fear in terms of what kind of power this it already has now what kind power this it already has now what kind power this it already has now what kind of power it will have with all the Bad of power it will have with all the Bad of power it will have with all the Bad actors out there broad scam criminals actors out there broad scam criminals actors out there broad scam criminals Edgar to grab it hang on to it and Edgar to grab it hang on to it and Edgar to grab it hang on to it and create a million scams and fraudulent create a million scams and fraudulent create a million scams and fraudulent creativity and it's already the tech is creativity and it's already the tech is creativity and it's already the tech is already there now and that scares me to

already there now and that scares me to already there now and that scares me to death and I even heard this morning on death and I even heard this morning on death and I even heard this morning on the news they were asking people on Fox the news they were asking people on Fox the news they were asking people on Fox News what their what was the topic they News what their what was the topic they News what their what was the topic they were most important you know what was it were most important you know what was it were most important you know what was it at the topic of that's going to be at the topic of that's going to be at the topic of that's going to be important for them in terms of how they important for them in terms of how they important for them in terms of how they vote and several folks in Ai and I'm vote and several folks in Ai and I'm vote and several folks in Ai and I'm like whoa you know they're saying it's like whoa you know they're saying it's like whoa you know they're saying it's scary yeah [Applause] [Applause] I think folks are waking up from all of I think folks are waking up from all of I think folks are waking up from all of the most recent interviews but it's the most recent interviews but it's the most recent interviews but it's scary that the most the common at the scary that the most the common at the scary that the most the common at the average citizen out there they don't average citizen out there they don't average citizen out there they don't realize the power that it already has realize the power that it already has realize the power that it already has right now today no doubt yeah I mean right now today no doubt yeah I mean right now today no doubt yeah I mean it's got a lot of power and just when it's got a lot of power and just when it's got a lot of power and just when you you know I don't know Stephanie if you you know I don't know Stephanie if you you know I don't know Stephanie if you saw the 60 Minutes thing on on you saw the 60 Minutes thing on on you saw the 60 Minutes thing on on Sunday I don't see that one I mean I Sunday I don't see that one I mean I Sunday I don't see that one I mean I mean just a massive 17 Google data mean just a massive 17 Google data mean just a massive 17 Google data centers are tied to their AI processing centers are tied to their AI processing centers are tied to their AI processing program program program 17. yeah we don't even know this stuff I 17. yeah we don't even know this stuff I 17. yeah we don't even know this stuff I mean it's just like where did they say mean it's just like where did they say mean it's just like where did they say that that those um data centers were that that those um data centers were that that those um data centers were Oklahoma Nebraska yeah South Dakota was Oklahoma Nebraska yeah South Dakota was Oklahoma Nebraska yeah South Dakota was one so well as as Elon said last night one so well as as Elon said last night one so well as as Elon said last night if you want to know where those data if you want to know where those data if you want to know where those data centers are look for a heat signature centers are look for a heat signature centers are look for a heat signature because they're cranking I'm just asking

because they're cranking I'm just asking because they're cranking I'm just asking um just ask the intelligence from the um just ask the intelligence from the um just ask the intelligence from the Chinese um it's interesting the whole that segment it's interesting the whole that segment on 60 Minutes was powerful and and then on 60 Minutes was powerful and and then on 60 Minutes was powerful and and then you get to learn about deep mind right you get to learn about deep mind right you get to learn about deep mind right right and then it's funny then two right and then it's funny then two right and then it's funny then two nights later elon's talking about deep nights later elon's talking about deep nights later elon's talking about deep minds and Google as a unipolar AI power minds and Google as a unipolar AI power minds and Google as a unipolar AI power right and which is why he started open right and which is why he started open right and which is why he started open AI as a counterweight to that he said AI as a counterweight to that he said AI as a counterweight to that he said they have all Google has all the talent they have all Google has all the talent they have all Google has all the talent they've sucked up all the best AI people they've sucked up all the best AI people they've sucked up all the best AI people and it's like you can't just you can't and it's like you can't just you can't and it's like you can't just you can't let them go run rapid like that let them go run rapid like that let them go run rapid like that um yeah they have the best legal um yeah they have the best legal um yeah they have the best legal department that knows you know department that knows you know department that knows you know um what is legal because nothing is um what is legal because nothing is um what is legal because nothing is illegal because the damage hasn't illegal because the damage hasn't illegal because the damage hasn't happened so but it is interesting to see happened so but it is interesting to see happened so but it is interesting to see Regulators around the world you know Regulators around the world you know Regulators around the world you know here's the thing we we have this really here's the thing we we have this really here's the thing we we have this really um weird um weird um weird delusional perspective of ourselves as delusional perspective of ourselves as delusional perspective of ourselves as Americans is that we we think that our Americans is that we we think that our Americans is that we we think that our brands are especially Mark yeah Global brands are especially Mark yeah Global brands are especially Mark yeah Global and loved the thing is is that what's and loved the thing is is that what's and loved the thing is is that what's happening in Europe right now is far happening in Europe right now is far happening in Europe right now is far from love they recognize for themselves from love they recognize for themselves from love they recognize for themselves the threat that a lot of these U.S the threat that a lot of these U.S the threat that a lot of these U.S businesses pose to their uh their their businesses pose to their uh their their businesses pose to their uh their their countries basically their region you countries basically their region you countries basically their region you know this stuff is scary stuff and know this stuff is scary stuff and know this stuff is scary stuff and that's why we we see these topics of

that's why we we see these topics of that's why we we see these topics of data sovereignty come up more and more data sovereignty come up more and more data sovereignty come up more and more and more and you know actually what's and more and you know actually what's and more and you know actually what's really creepy really creepy really creepy I think we mentioned before a very I think we mentioned before a very I think we mentioned before a very Chinese okay CCP concept of Internet Chinese okay CCP concept of Internet Chinese okay CCP concept of Internet sovereignty come up sovereignty come up sovereignty come up okay and the weird thing is the threat okay and the weird thing is the threat okay and the weird thing is the threat is stuff like gen AI which now you know is stuff like gen AI which now you know is stuff like gen AI which now you know you saw Italy as well as Germany and you saw Italy as well as Germany and you saw Italy as well as Germany and France and other countries now looking France and other countries now looking France and other countries now looking to maybe Banning this stuff yeah but to maybe Banning this stuff yeah but to maybe Banning this stuff yeah but again you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go again you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go again you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go back to okay Stephanie you have to watch back to okay Stephanie you have to watch back to okay Stephanie you have to watch ourselves we're we're losing our minds ourselves we're we're losing our minds ourselves we're we're losing our minds it's like the next way next wave oh my it's like the next way next wave oh my it's like the next way next wave oh my God moves into Ai and Stephanie you God moves into Ai and Stephanie you God moves into Ai and Stephanie you brought up a great point about the Bad brought up a great point about the Bad brought up a great point about the Bad actors around this and if we look at we actors around this and if we look at we actors around this and if we look at we have to are we going to trust our have to are we going to trust our have to are we going to trust our leaders in Congress or whoever is going leaders in Congress or whoever is going leaders in Congress or whoever is going to start to put some of these to start to put some of these to start to put some of these restrictions together that they know restrictions together that they know restrictions together that they know what the hell we're even talking about what the hell we're even talking about what the hell we're even talking about exactly so like it's uh you know they exactly so like it's uh you know they exactly so like it's uh you know they gotta pay is your you know are is my gotta pay is your you know are is my gotta pay is your you know are is my Marco Rubio going to pick up the phone Marco Rubio going to pick up the phone Marco Rubio going to pick up the phone and call you know son you know the guys and call you know son you know the guys and call you know son you know the guys at Google and say Hey listen tell at Google and say Hey listen tell at Google and say Hey listen tell explain this to me so that I could explain this to me so that I could explain this to me so that I could figure out how to make a law to prevent figure out how to make a law to prevent figure out how to make a law to prevent Bad actors the freaking way they're Bad actors the freaking way they're Bad actors the freaking way they're gonna do that no way gonna do that no way gonna do that no way they already held meetings and invited they already held meetings and invited they already held meetings and invited right the experts into DC to have some right the experts into DC to have some right the experts into DC to have some of these discussions over the past few

of these discussions over the past few of these discussions over the past few years but I don't see or have heard years but I don't see or have heard years but I don't see or have heard anything that they're doing now whenever anything that they're doing now whenever anything that they're doing now whenever you whenever you see those public you whenever you see those public you whenever you see those public hearings on TV hearings on TV hearings on TV um bringing those guys in and talking to um bringing those guys in and talking to um bringing those guys in and talking to this bunch of old white guys this bunch of old white guys this bunch of old white guys the guys in Congress look like idiots I arrived at the Capitol building in a I arrived at the Capitol building in a horse and buggy and now I'm going to horse and buggy and now I'm going to horse and buggy and now I'm going to talk to the smartest people on the talk to the smartest people on the talk to the smartest people on the planet planet planet give me a break right and their staff give me a break right and their staff give me a break right and their staff members are you know political allies members are you know political allies members are you know political allies also that are don't know this so also that are don't know this so also that are don't know this so how are they going to help right this is how are they going to help right this is how are they going to help right this is the kind of this is we're at the level the kind of this is we're at the level the kind of this is we're at the level of emergency of emergency of emergency uh where it needs to be the the baddest uh where it needs to be the the baddest uh where it needs to be the the baddest ass brightest Minds coming together and ass brightest Minds coming together and ass brightest Minds coming together and saying this is what needs to happen saying this is what needs to happen saying this is what needs to happen because Congress is not going to be able because Congress is not going to be able because Congress is not going to be able to figure it out to figure it out to figure it out right here what's the what's the goal of right here what's the what's the goal of right here what's the what's the goal of that most of them work for private that most of them work for private that most of them work for private companies what good thing private companies what good thing private companies what good thing private companies because they they themselves I companies because they they themselves I companies because they they themselves I mean the only thing that I would say to mean the only thing that I would say to mean the only thing that I would say to that is that they themselves know the that is that they themselves know the that is that they themselves know the power of AI and how what they may create power of AI and how what they may create power of AI and how what they may create may be the monster already out there and may be the monster already out there and may be the monster already out there and available available available there's got to be there's got to be some there's got to be there's got to be some there's got to be there's got to be some parameters there or they themselves are parameters there or they themselves are parameters there or they themselves are going to falter those Bad actors are going to falter those Bad actors are going to falter those Bad actors are gonna going to bring that company and gonna going to bring that company and gonna going to bring that company and that brand to a level that could just

that brand to a level that could just that brand to a level that could just take them out because they've created take them out because they've created take them out because they've created something that's going to bring wreak something that's going to bring wreak something that's going to bring wreak havoc on people but yeah on fraud or on havoc on people but yeah on fraud or on havoc on people but yeah on fraud or on finances or whatever you know what I finances or whatever you know what I finances or whatever you know what I will I was impressed with Google's will I was impressed with Google's will I was impressed with Google's response on Sunday night saying hey response on Sunday night saying hey response on Sunday night saying hey we're not we're not releasing all this we're not we're not releasing all this we're not we're not releasing all this stuff I mean we are going to take our stuff I mean we are going to take our stuff I mean we are going to take our time and look at it and make sure and time and look at it and make sure and time and look at it and make sure and this and that I saw concerns on his face this and that I saw concerns on his face this and that I saw concerns on his face you know let's say you know are there you know let's say you know are there you know let's say you know are there companies that we're competing against companies that we're competing against companies that we're competing against that are just shoving this stuff out that are just shoving this stuff out that are just shoving this stuff out into the marketplace with remote into the marketplace with remote into the marketplace with remote controls you know so I was pretty controls you know so I was pretty controls you know so I was pretty impressed with Google on Sunday yeah but impressed with Google on Sunday yeah but impressed with Google on Sunday yeah but you know what they shouldn't have done you know what they shouldn't have done you know what they shouldn't have done they shouldn't have went and uh you know they shouldn't have went and uh you know they shouldn't have went and uh you know tried to uh fast follow Microsoft by tried to uh fast follow Microsoft by tried to uh fast follow Microsoft by demoing Bard that what they should have demoing Bard that what they should have demoing Bard that what they should have done it done it done it what we're going to do is we're going to what we're going to do is we're going to what we're going to do is we're going to spend the next 30 minutes telling you spend the next 30 minutes telling you spend the next 30 minutes telling you teaching you about responsible Ai and teaching you about responsible Ai and teaching you about responsible Ai and what you just saw last night is not an what you just saw last night is not an what you just saw last night is not an example of that let us get our data example of that let us get our data example of that let us get our data scientists to break it down because the scientists to break it down because the scientists to break it down because the power of this technology is not in the power of this technology is not in the power of this technology is not in the technology itself it's in the truth that technology itself it's in the truth that technology itself it's in the truth that we impart on it and what we're talking we impart on it and what we're talking we impart on it and what we're talking about yeah what you're talking about about yeah what you're talking about about yeah what you're talking about um Stephanie is the the fact that we um Stephanie is the the fact that we um Stephanie is the the fact that we believe that this AI is trustworthy when believe that this AI is trustworthy when believe that this AI is trustworthy when it is fundamentally not it does not it is fundamentally not it does not it is fundamentally not it does not serve that function or is not capable of

serve that function or is not capable of serve that function or is not capable of that it's well it is everybody is it's that it's well it is everybody is it's that it's well it is everybody is it's not the focus Leonard that's not the not the focus Leonard that's not the not the focus Leonard that's not the focus but it's everything focus but it's everything focus but it's everything that's where it gets its power it's in that's where it gets its power it's in that's where it gets its power it's in the trust of the masses and at the end the trust of the masses and at the end the trust of the masses and at the end of the day what everyone believes is of the day what everyone believes is of the day what everyone believes is that power that the AI had if no one that power that the AI had if no one that power that the AI had if no one trusts it it has zero power but the trusts it it has zero power but the trusts it it has zero power but the thing is Sam Altman will go back to that thing is Sam Altman will go back to that thing is Sam Altman will go back to that tweet that tweet is going to be historic tweet that tweet is going to be historic tweet that tweet is going to be historic it gives it does a few things a limited it gives it does a few things a limited it gives it does a few things a limited number of things very well to give you a number of things very well to give you a number of things very well to give you a misleading underscore misleading misleading underscore misleading misleading underscore misleading impression of greatness impression of greatness impression of greatness that is what everyone should be that is what everyone should be that is what everyone should be meditating on but we have gone way past meditating on but we have gone way past meditating on but we have gone way past that and and too many people going out that and and too many people going out that and and too many people going out there saying that this is going to give there saying that this is going to give there saying that this is going to give you the answer you can trust it it's you the answer you can trust it it's you the answer you can trust it it's good it's going to do all these things good it's going to do all these things good it's going to do all these things that are fantastic but that are fantastic but that are fantastic but the guys that are building the the guys that are building the the guys that are building the technology that know the technology are technology that know the technology are technology that know the technology are saying no I'm kind of scared of this saying no I'm kind of scared of this saying no I'm kind of scared of this stuff they themselves that that's the stuff they themselves that that's the stuff they themselves that that's the thing that I worry about that's what I thing that I worry about that's what I thing that I worry about that's what I worry about just having these interviews worry about just having these interviews worry about just having these interviews out there out there out there having these television shows that are having these television shows that are having these television shows that are talking about it talking about it talking about it that makes it we're broadcasting it that makes it we're broadcasting it that makes it we're broadcasting it we're using that broadcast time again we're using that broadcast time again we're using that broadcast time again but we're broadcasting this out to all but we're broadcasting this out to all but we're broadcasting this out to all of the idiots the Bad actors the thieves of the idiots the Bad actors the thieves of the idiots the Bad actors the thieves the criminals and and when Google says the criminals and and when Google says the criminals and and when Google says hey we're not releasing everything that hey we're not releasing everything that hey we're not releasing everything that tells me hmm I'm a hacker I'm going to

tells me hmm I'm a hacker I'm going to tells me hmm I'm a hacker I'm going to get into that I'm gonna find it I'm get into that I'm gonna find it I'm get into that I'm gonna find it I'm going to exploit it I'm going to going to exploit it I'm going to going to exploit it I'm going to leverage it I'm going to use it how do I leverage it I'm going to use it how do I leverage it I'm going to use it how do I get my hands on it who can I work with get my hands on it who can I work with get my hands on it who can I work with I'm going to pull together some other I'm going to pull together some other I'm going to pull together some other hackers we're going to get into this hackers we're going to get into this hackers we're going to get into this we're going to find it we're gonna split we're going to find it we're gonna split we're going to find it we're gonna split it so that's what gets my mind thinking it so that's what gets my mind thinking it so that's what gets my mind thinking I think about like I put myself in a I think about like I put myself in a I think about like I put myself in a criminal shoe and I'm like there's a lot criminal shoe and I'm like there's a lot criminal shoe and I'm like there's a lot of things I know I can do with that of things I know I can do with that of things I know I can do with that stuff yeah and they're telling me that stuff yeah and they're telling me that stuff yeah and they're telling me that if the majority the majority of the the if the majority the majority of the the if the majority the majority of the the majority of the Bad actors are typically majority of the Bad actors are typically majority of the Bad actors are typically going to come from inside right they going to come from inside right they going to come from inside right they don't have to figure out how to go get don't have to figure out how to go get don't have to figure out how to go get it they already have it that that's the it they already have it that that's the it they already have it that that's the crazy thing crazy thing crazy thing you're right Bill you're right it's it's you're right Bill you're right it's it's you're right Bill you're right it's it's it's inside it's insiders right I mean it's inside it's insiders right I mean it's inside it's insiders right I mean you know cities get hit with ransomware you know cities get hit with ransomware you know cities get hit with ransomware and nine times out of ten 82 percent of and nine times out of ten 82 percent of and nine times out of ten 82 percent of the time it happens because in some the time it happens because in some the time it happens because in some inside person an employee of the city inside person an employee of the city inside person an employee of the city and it's not necessarily always a threat and it's not necessarily always a threat and it's not necessarily always a threat actor that's from the outside unless the actor that's from the outside unless the actor that's from the outside unless the city has made a brave mistake and left a city has made a brave mistake and left a city has made a brave mistake and left a back door open oh which by the way back door open oh which by the way back door open oh which by the way someone on the inside told them about it the the bigger to me the bigger problem the the bigger to me the bigger problem with with this whole you know piece of with with this whole you know piece of with with this whole you know piece of it is not the tech itself it's it is not the tech itself it's it is not the tech itself it's counterproductive to the environment counterproductive to the environment counterproductive to the environment which we're talking about needs to be which we're talking about needs to be which we're talking about needs to be fixed and sustained the number of data fixed and sustained the number of data fixed and sustained the number of data centers that they're using to operate centers that they're using to operate centers that they're using to operate all of this stuff and the amount of all of this stuff and the amount of all of this stuff and the amount of carbon that they're emitting can we talk

carbon that they're emitting can we talk carbon that they're emitting can we talk about that for a minute and why this about that for a minute and why this about that for a minute and why this should not be the thing that we're should not be the thing that we're should not be the thing that we're focused on I'm going to write a report focused on I'm going to write a report focused on I'm going to write a report that's going to save me five hours yeah number one bill you you hit the nail on number one bill you you hit the nail on the head how many times have we talked the head how many times have we talked the head how many times have we talked about anything Tech cyber security about anything Tech cyber security about anything Tech cyber security ransomware attacks you you set the ransomware attacks you you set the ransomware attacks you you set the percentages there's so many Bad actors percentages there's so many Bad actors percentages there's so many Bad actors from within but you're right we are from within but you're right we are from within but you're right we are sitting here talking about all these sitting here talking about all these sitting here talking about all these massive Google data centers but the massive Google data centers but the massive Google data centers but the whole ESG sustainability green whole ESG sustainability green whole ESG sustainability green initiatives and protecting mother earth initiatives and protecting mother earth initiatives and protecting mother earth does that get thrown out the window like does that get thrown out the window like does that get thrown out the window like do we even complete reversal of the do we even complete reversal of the do we even complete reversal of the whole goal of saving our planet Earth whole goal of saving our planet Earth whole goal of saving our planet Earth yeah yeah yeah episode by the end of 2023 this year how will by the end of 2023 this year how will people know if our little coffee talk is people know if our little coffee talk is people know if our little coffee talk is real or not the whole thing is fake yeah real or not the whole thing is fake yeah real or not the whole thing is fake yeah how do you know if those interviews that how do you know if those interviews that how do you know if those interviews that you listen to were real that's true well

you listen to were real that's true well you listen to were real that's true well that's that's the whole point we won't that's that's the whole point we won't that's that's the whole point we won't know what anything is real anymore the know what anything is real anymore the know what anything is real anymore the whole the example that the whole example whole the example that the whole example whole the example that the whole example that got me thinking was someone calls that got me thinking was someone calls that got me thinking was someone calls me and says and they put my son's voice me and says and they put my son's voice me and says and they put my son's voice on the call and it sounds like him and on the call and it sounds like him and on the call and it sounds like him and he said they say they got my kid and he said they say they got my kid and he said they say they got my kid and they kidnapped him and you need to pay they kidnapped him and you need to pay they kidnapped him and you need to pay X-Men and that voice is his and he's X-Men and that voice is his and he's X-Men and that voice is his and he's like Mom Mom you know and I'm like like Mom Mom you know and I'm like like Mom Mom you know and I'm like that's a small little snippet of an that's a small little snippet of an that's a small little snippet of an example of it sounding looking feeling example of it sounding looking feeling example of it sounding looking feeling real they could show me a video real they could show me a video real they could show me a video it's him it already happened and then it's him it already happened and then it's him it already happened and then now banks are that have you know Banks now banks are that have you know Banks now banks are that have you know Banks were doing like a few years ago started were doing like a few years ago started were doing like a few years ago started doing voice authentication and you know doing voice authentication and you know doing voice authentication and you know every single time they asked me would every single time they asked me would every single time they asked me would you like to have a voice authentication you like to have a voice authentication you like to have a voice authentication I said I said I said no no no are you insane are you insane are you insane you know no no no no no no no no no no you know no no no no no no no no no no you know no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no and then get you know what some banks and then get you know what some banks and then get you know what some banks started doing it by default so you would started doing it by default so you would started doing it by default so you would have to oh yeah even know that they were have to oh yeah even know that they were have to oh yeah even know that they were doing it all of a sudden the the the uh doing it all of a sudden the the the uh doing it all of a sudden the the the uh ivr or whatever the the call center chat ivr or whatever the the call center chat ivr or whatever the the call center chat bot thingy is asking you know uh YouTube bot thingy is asking you know uh YouTube bot thingy is asking you know uh YouTube voice authenticates like when did I voice authenticates like when did I voice authenticates like when did I authorize that authorize that authorize that and you know what when you when you and you know what when you when you and you know what when you when you called and they said this call is being called and they said this call is being called and they said this call is being monitored for yeah yeah so how will how will videos images

yeah so how will how will videos images audio of things be admissible on a court audio of things be admissible on a court audio of things be admissible on a court of law in a criminal case anymore when of law in a criminal case anymore when of law in a criminal case anymore when it all can be faked yeah and the it all can be faked yeah and the it all can be faked yeah and the defendants lawyer is going to say no defendants lawyer is going to say no defendants lawyer is going to say no yeah generative AI created that whole yeah generative AI created that whole yeah generative AI created that whole video of my client killing somebody you video of my client killing somebody you video of my client killing somebody you can't prove it that's where this is out can't prove it that's where this is out can't prove it that's where this is out of control yeah this is out of control of control yeah this is out of control of control yeah this is out of control um 3 has been invented so web3 is a um 3 has been invented so web3 is a um 3 has been invented so web3 is a solution right blockchain is a solution think about Bad actors I'm trying to be think about Bad actors I'm trying to be one so I asked it what will be the one so I asked it what will be the one so I asked it what will be the winning numbers in Powerball this week winning numbers in Powerball this week winning numbers in Powerball this week and it said I'm sorry but as an AI and it said I'm sorry but as an AI and it said I'm sorry but as an AI language model I don't have the ability language model I don't have the ability language model I don't have the ability to predict future events or provide to predict future events or provide to predict future events or provide information about the winning numbers of information about the winning numbers of information about the winning numbers of any Lottery hey Mark so you're you're so what are we hey Mark so you're you're so what are we gonna do about it and so some kind of gonna do about it and so some kind of gonna do about it and so some kind of Technology by some cool startup with Technology by some cool startup with Technology by some cool startup with smart people needs to be created that smart people needs to be created that smart people needs to be created that think about a multi-factor think about a multi-factor think about a multi-factor authentication for everything you see authentication for everything you see authentication for everything you see and hear to verify that it's authentic and hear to verify that it's authentic and hear to verify that it's authentic yeah what is that yeah what is that yeah what is that because now all of a sudden things because now all of a sudden things because now all of a sudden things happen so fast everything we look at in happen so fast everything we look at in happen so fast everything we look at in the world could be fake for all you know the world could be fake for all you know the world could be fake for all you know so we need to we need a new kind of so we need to we need a new kind of so we need to we need a new kind of authentication mechanism some identity authentication mechanism some identity authentication mechanism some identity some something that proves it's real some something that proves it's real some something that proves it's real because this whole thing's going to get because this whole thing's going to get because this whole thing's going to get away from us really really so like so away from us really really so like so away from us really really so like so okay so take that Rob so what are you okay so take that Rob so what are you okay so take that Rob so what are you talking about like what is what more

Biometrics is it I don't know I don't Biometrics is it I don't know I don't know yeah you have to sign so how do you know yeah you have to sign so how do you know yeah you have to sign so how do you how do I know that your message is yours how do I know that your message is yours how do I know that your message is yours today because I trust on the system today because I trust on the system today because I trust on the system right how do I know the link to the chat right how do I know the link to the chat right how do I know the link to the chat is is made by you just because everybody is is made by you just because everybody is is made by you just because everybody knows if you want to know but this is knows if you want to know but this is knows if you want to know but this is why public and private keys were why public and private keys were why public and private keys were invented invented invented um an encryption right so we should um an encryption right so we should um an encryption right so we should encrypt our messages with our own keys encrypt our messages with our own keys encrypt our messages with our own keys and send these messages yeah but if you and send these messages yeah but if you and send these messages yeah but if you have my you know public but the average have my you know public but the average have my you know public but the average person in the world Mark does not have person in the world Mark does not have person in the world Mark does not have that technical capability or or a that technical capability or or a that technical capability or or a downloadable program but this is just a downloadable program but this is just a downloadable program but this is just a problem of user experience today right problem of user experience today right problem of user experience today right yes well configure all the certificates yes well configure all the certificates yes well configure all the certificates from your family on your computer or from your family on your computer or from your family on your computer or your mobile phone you can decrypt all your mobile phone you can decrypt all your mobile phone you can decrypt all the messages right okay but am I asking the messages right okay but am I asking the messages right okay but am I asking the bank to give that that information the bank to give that that information the bank to give that that information to me to do that to run that to me to do that to run that to me to do that to run that what do you mean well if I want if I what do you mean well if I want if I what do you mean well if I want if I want that kind of encryption on my want that kind of encryption on my want that kind of encryption on my banking information to my iPhone isn't banking information to my iPhone isn't banking information to my iPhone isn't that the bank's responsibility to that the bank's responsibility to that the bank's responsibility to provide that for me provide that for me provide that for me well at least from my experience with well at least from my experience with well at least from my experience with the Spanish fangs is that you you have the Spanish fangs is that you you have the Spanish fangs is that you you have different keys and passwords with your different keys and passwords with your different keys and passwords with your bank and you have your signing Keys you bank and you have your signing Keys you bank and you have your signing Keys you have your passwords you have everything have your passwords you have everything have your passwords you have everything so you sign and in theory you know you so you sign and in theory you know you so you sign and in theory you know you only know your signing Keys yourself so only know your signing Keys yourself so only know your signing Keys yourself so say this sign a transfer of money to my say this sign a transfer of money to my say this sign a transfer of money to my account from your account and you sign account from your account and you sign account from your account and you sign it with your secret signing or transfer

it with your secret signing or transfer it with your secret signing or transfer key this is you right so it should be key this is you right so it should be key this is you right so it should be without defaulting that's multi-factor without defaulting that's multi-factor without defaulting that's multi-factor authentication right yeah but but yeah if we depend on yeah but but yeah if we depend on third-party companies right third-party companies right third-party companies right um how so how do we know that they um how so how do we know that they um how so how do we know that they didn't do it themselves well no and didn't do it themselves well no and didn't do it themselves well no and that's the thing that's why I said it's that's the thing that's why I said it's that's the thing that's why I said it's it's it should be our responsibility so it's it should be our responsibility so it's it should be our responsibility so in essence I should Generations this is in essence I should Generations this is in essence I should Generations this is my certificate so I will need to add my my certificate so I will need to add my my certificate so I will need to add my certificates certificates certificates way back when when I used to um do a lot way back when when I used to um do a lot way back when when I used to um do a lot more wire transfers I from Wells Fargo I more wire transfers I from Wells Fargo I more wire transfers I from Wells Fargo I would have to sign into my corporate would have to sign into my corporate would have to sign into my corporate account and I would have this little account and I would have this little account and I would have this little digital key that was in my possession digital key that was in my possession digital key that was in my possession that would change numbers every 30 that would change numbers every 30 that would change numbers every 30 seconds or every 60 seconds and yeah but seconds or every 60 seconds and yeah but seconds or every 60 seconds and yeah but that's RSA right RSA RSA is still that's RSA right RSA RSA is still that's RSA right RSA RSA is still there's still that third that they're there's still that third that they're there's still that third that they're that middle man and they they own the that middle man and they they own the that middle man and they they own the keys that they're handing to you right keys that they're handing to you right keys that they're handing to you right right I'm saying eliminate that no yeah generate your own key so it's got to be generate your own key so it's got to be something that's controlled by the something that's controlled by the something that's controlled by the person and it's got to be physical or no person and it's got to be physical or no person and it's got to be physical or no does it have to be physical no because does it have to be physical no because does it have to be physical no because foreign foreign foreign no it's not web3 because web3 assumes no it's not web3 because web3 assumes no it's not web3 because web3 assumes that there's going to be some Kumbaya that there's going to be some Kumbaya that there's going to be some Kumbaya you know Universal thing and that's not you know Universal thing and that's not you know Universal thing and that's not going to be the trade because nobody

going to be the trade because nobody going to be the trade because nobody trusts each other okay we're gonna you trusts each other okay we're gonna you trusts each other okay we're gonna you know one of the things that's going to know one of the things that's going to know one of the things that's going to happen is that we're going to real we're happen is that we're going to real we're happen is that we're going to real we're realizing fast that trust is the most realizing fast that trust is the most realizing fast that trust is the most important commodity out there it's what important commodity out there it's what important commodity out there it's what something that I already wrote about something that I already wrote about something that I already wrote about actually it's in the ofcom stuff that uh actually it's in the ofcom stuff that uh actually it's in the ofcom stuff that uh was the first research project for next was the first research project for next was the first research project for next curve we talked about security and curve we talked about security and curve we talked about security and privacy will eventually lead to an privacy will eventually lead to an privacy will eventually lead to an urgency in in fostering at you know urgency in in fostering at you know urgency in in fostering at you know trust Frameworks and but the thing is is trust Frameworks and but the thing is is trust Frameworks and but the thing is is that all of them are based on certain that all of them are based on certain that all of them are based on certain types of uh authorities and Juris types of uh authorities and Juris types of uh authorities and Juris jurisdiction and they will not be common jurisdiction and they will not be common jurisdiction and they will not be common um there will be like Frameworks that um there will be like Frameworks that um there will be like Frameworks that can be applied to Institute a let's call can be applied to Institute a let's call can be applied to Institute a let's call the domain of trust and um I think the domain of trust and um I think the domain of trust and um I think that's what's gonna happen but there are that's what's gonna happen but there are that's what's gonna happen but there are our technology and so as all this crap our technology and so as all this crap our technology and so as all this crap is happening is happening is happening you know where you know where you know where and I've I've posted about this for at and I've I've posted about this for at and I've I've posted about this for at least three years now where the least three years now where the least three years now where the opportunity is is tools technologies opportunity is is tools technologies opportunity is is tools technologies that can foster these trust Frameworks that can foster these trust Frameworks that can foster these trust Frameworks and um you know here's an interesting and um you know here's an interesting and um you know here's an interesting thing and this is why I love going to thing and this is why I love going to thing and this is why I love going to conferences other than the iot ones and conferences other than the iot ones and conferences other than the iot ones and the 5G ones and all that stuff is going the 5G ones and all that stuff is going the 5G ones and all that stuff is going to NAB they talked about this thing to NAB they talked about this thing to NAB they talked about this thing called c2pa called c2pa called c2pa um which is basically a a whole uh it's um which is basically a a whole uh it's um which is basically a a whole uh it's kind of like a provenance uh framework kind of like a provenance uh framework kind of like a provenance uh framework for Content because content is in in

for Content because content is in in for Content because content is in in threat right now and also it's very threat right now and also it's very threat right now and also it's very difficult to determine especially in difficult to determine especially in difficult to determine especially in broadcasting and journalism what's broadcasting and journalism what's broadcasting and journalism what's actually real right actually real right actually real right right that stuff is already happening right that stuff is already happening right that stuff is already happening and this is this will eventually become and this is this will eventually become and this is this will eventually become big right now people are the people who big right now people are the people who big right now people are the people who are advocates for this are begging are advocates for this are begging are advocates for this are begging people to get involved which is super people to get involved which is super people to get involved which is super pathetic bold and you know Brave of them pathetic bold and you know Brave of them pathetic bold and you know Brave of them but it's pathetic that no one no one has but it's pathetic that no one no one has but it's pathetic that no one no one has come to the table and said hey look we come to the table and said hey look we come to the table and said hey look we want to we want to support this right want to we want to support this right want to we want to support this right um and then you know Qualcomm also a um and then you know Qualcomm also a um and then you know Qualcomm also a while back this is about two years ago while back this is about two years ago while back this is about two years ago introduced introduced introduced um some thing called uh photo uh photo um some thing called uh photo uh photo um some thing called uh photo uh photo um authentication um authentication um authentication um where it basically uses like trusted um where it basically uses like trusted um where it basically uses like trusted execution environment within the chip to execution environment within the chip to execution environment within the chip to basically basically basically um you know authenticate or at least it um you know authenticate or at least it um you know authenticate or at least it um marks a photograph as being generated um marks a photograph as being generated um marks a photograph as being generated from that device right photographer zero from that device right photographer zero from that device right photographer zero than one right how can you uh properties than one right how can you uh properties than one right how can you uh properties is hackable right no it's uh securing Enclave it's securing Enclave it's it's coded and and then there's a it's coded and and then there's a it's coded and and then there's a registry I forgot the name of the the registry I forgot the name of the the registry I forgot the name of the the the the the um um um yeah yeah yeah and so it would have to yeah yeah yeah and so it would have to yeah yeah yeah and so it would have to match that it gets matched to the device match that it gets matched to the device match that it gets matched to the device and so and then also gets registered and so and then also gets registered and so and then also gets registered with uh the The Authority so with uh the The Authority so with uh the The Authority so my camera has to be stolen I lost it in

my camera has to be stolen I lost it in my camera has to be stolen I lost it in the sea no um the sea no um the sea no um that's attestation right I mean that that's attestation right I mean that that's attestation right I mean that basically that's what you're saying basically that's what you're saying basically that's what you're saying attestation it's proof that you won you attestation it's proof that you won you attestation it's proof that you won you are who you say you are two you are the are who you say you are two you are the are who you say you are two you are the one that sent this I mean there's one that sent this I mean there's one that sent this I mean there's literally that's what it is it's at a literally that's what it is it's at a literally that's what it is it's at a station and yeah there are technologies station and yeah there are technologies station and yeah there are technologies that are in play right now that that that are in play right now that that that are in play right now that that kind of help with that but when you roll kind of help with that but when you roll kind of help with that but when you roll it back to something like Ai and and all it back to something like Ai and and all it back to something like Ai and and all these other things there's just there's these other things there's just there's these other things there's just there's just far too many far too many issues things that just far too many issues things that just have not even been thought about people have not even been thought about people have not even been thought about people are so enamored with the notion of being are so enamored with the notion of being are so enamored with the notion of being able to do something with the technology able to do something with the technology able to do something with the technology as opposed to the guardrails that are as opposed to the guardrails that are as opposed to the guardrails that are required to responsibly deliver the required to responsibly deliver the required to responsibly deliver the solutions that you're looking to deliver solutions that you're looking to deliver solutions that you're looking to deliver do you think this is an apple scenario do you think this is an apple scenario do you think this is an apple scenario where app Apple has to get involved where app Apple has to get involved where app Apple has to get involved because here because here because here well I think it's good news that they well I think it's good news that they well I think it's good news that they haven't jumped in yet who knows I don't haven't jumped in yet who knows I don't haven't jumped in yet who knows I don't no one knows how good their judgment is no one knows how good their judgment is no one knows how good their judgment is but I think they're gonna go They're but I think they're gonna go They're but I think they're gonna go They're gonna take advantage of the whole trust gonna take advantage of the whole trust gonna take advantage of the whole trust opportunity I think and it's going to opportunity I think and it's going to opportunity I think and it's going to ruffle feathers uh in the open uh ecos ruffle feathers uh in the open uh ecos ruffle feathers uh in the open uh ecos with the open ecosystems and players but with the open ecosystems and players but with the open ecosystems and players but um I think if if you know if they put um I think if if you know if they put um I think if if you know if they put the customers first if they put Humanity the customers first if they put Humanity the customers first if they put Humanity first that's I think that's going to be first that's I think that's going to be first that's I think that's going to be it if they take a place and if they keep it if they take a place and if they keep it if they take a place and if they keep placing their bets on privacy and placing their bets on privacy and placing their bets on privacy and security which is what's been their security which is what's been their security which is what's been their differentiator

differentiator differentiator um and the way they've built their um and the way they've built their um and the way they've built their platform yeah and and nothing's fail platform yeah and and nothing's fail platform yeah and and nothing's fail proof nothing's fail-proof you've seen proof nothing's fail-proof you've seen proof nothing's fail-proof you've seen all kinds of vulnerable vulnerabilities all kinds of vulnerable vulnerabilities all kinds of vulnerable vulnerabilities there as well but that's what they've there as well but that's what they've there as well but that's what they've always laid their foundation on so I'm always laid their foundation on so I'm always laid their foundation on so I'm wondering did they remain silent and wondering did they remain silent and wondering did they remain silent and then they go you know what we're placing then they go you know what we're placing then they go you know what we're placing our bits on security privacy and the our bits on security privacy and the our bits on security privacy and the protection of our our consumers our protection of our our consumers our protection of our our consumers our customers and we'll watch the implosion customers and we'll watch the implosion customers and we'll watch the implosion yeah the open systems that go the yeah the open systems that go the yeah the open systems that go the complete opposite direction complete opposite direction complete opposite direction yeah I I mean as a consumer I if that's yeah I I mean as a consumer I if that's yeah I I mean as a consumer I if that's what Apple does I will freaking stick what Apple does I will freaking stick what Apple does I will freaking stick with apple one thousand percent but are with apple one thousand percent but are with apple one thousand percent but are you gonna trust like a technology that you gonna trust like a technology that you gonna trust like a technology that it's not transparent here or you are it's not transparent here or you are it's not transparent here or you are gonna trust like an open source yeah we gonna trust like an open source yeah we gonna trust like an open source yeah we already talked about that what what's so already talked about that what what's so already talked about that what what's so non what's so great about open you there non what's so great about open you there non what's so great about open you there has to still be a company has to still be a company has to still be a company that invests in making a consumer and that invests in making a consumer and that invests in making a consumer and Enterprise and Industrial grade there is Enterprise and Industrial grade there is Enterprise and Industrial grade there is no Consortium no Consortium no Consortium screw the consortiums they can't get screw the consortiums they can't get screw the consortiums they can't get anything done the Consortium you they there's still the Consortium you they there's still going to be somebody who's going to be going to be somebody who's going to be going to be somebody who's going to be the 900 pound gorilla in the room that the 900 pound gorilla in the room that the 900 pound gorilla in the room that controls everything controls everything controls everything so we have to get away from that notion so we have to get away from that notion so we have to get away from that notion how long will it take us to you know to how long will it take us to you know to how long will it take us to you know to take them to figure out it's going take them to figure out it's going take them to figure out it's going to take years years and years way past to take years years and years way past to take years years and years way past it there'll be a lot more Bad actors by it there'll be a lot more Bad actors by it there'll be a lot more Bad actors by the time they figure it out by the end the time they figure it out by the end the time they figure it out by the end of this we are talking about putting a of this we are talking about putting a of this we are talking about putting a chip on every camera and every mobile

chip on every camera and every mobile chip on every camera and every mobile phone that will take years to replace it phone that will take years to replace it phone that will take years to replace it it doesn't have to be the same it can be it doesn't have to be the same it can be it doesn't have to be the same it can be different the only thing that really different the only thing that really different the only thing that really matters is the gravity of the authority matters is the gravity of the authority matters is the gravity of the authority that is going to that is going to that is going to um to authenticate um to authenticate um to authenticate and if I go back and if I go back in and if I go back and if I go back in and if I go back and if I go back in time and think about the beginnings of time and think about the beginnings of time and think about the beginnings of something like private and public keys something like private and public keys something like private and public keys or multi-factor authentication it takes or multi-factor authentication it takes or multi-factor authentication it takes you to the 1960s uh when the U.S you to the 1960s uh when the U.S you to the 1960s uh when the U.S deployed 41 ballistic missile submarines deployed 41 ballistic missile submarines deployed 41 ballistic missile submarines and they get a message from the What's and they get a message from the What's and they get a message from the What's called the national command Authority uh called the national command Authority uh called the national command Authority uh for nuclear strategic launch and they for nuclear strategic launch and they for nuclear strategic launch and they get a message and it's got a code and get a message and it's got a code and get a message and it's got a code and then the officers go to a safe inside then the officers go to a safe inside then the officers go to a safe inside the submarine they know the combination the submarine they know the combination the submarine they know the combination they open up they pull it out and they they open up they pull it out and they they open up they pull it out and they break the seal and it has a code and break the seal and it has a code and break the seal and it has a code and that's how they authenticate that it's that's how they authenticate that it's that's how they authenticate that it's real that's like the beginnings of MFA real that's like the beginnings of MFA real that's like the beginnings of MFA right and keys and knowing that because right and keys and knowing that because right and keys and knowing that because the danger is AI sends a fake message the danger is AI sends a fake message the danger is AI sends a fake message just like in the movie War games in the just like in the movie War games in the just like in the movie War games in the 80s with Matthew Broderick you know that 80s with Matthew Broderick you know that 80s with Matthew Broderick you know that because that's that's that's this is because that's that's that's this is because that's that's that's this is what terrifies me about this Ai and what terrifies me about this Ai and what terrifies me about this Ai and depending on how far it gets into things depending on how far it gets into things depending on how far it gets into things I'm already waiting for an unlimited I'm already waiting for an unlimited I'm already waiting for an unlimited number of lawsuits coming at these guys number of lawsuits coming at these guys number of lawsuits coming at these guys because they're grabbing data from because they're grabbing data from because they're grabbing data from everywhere that doesn't belong to them everywhere that doesn't belong to them everywhere that doesn't belong to them and if they can get to weird data if and if they can get to weird data if and if they can get to weird data if they get inside you know the whole thing they get inside you know the whole thing they get inside you know the whole thing when we sit here and talk about well one when we sit here and talk about well one when we sit here and talk about well one company or someone okay we gotta trust company or someone okay we gotta trust company or someone okay we gotta trust if you get infiltrated you can't even if you get infiltrated you can't even if you get infiltrated you can't even trust the company that's giving you the

trust the company that's giving you the trust the company that's giving you the security that you're supposed to trust security that you're supposed to trust security that you're supposed to trust because they've already been compromised because they've already been compromised because they've already been compromised I'm really I'm wondering I'm wondering I'm really I'm wondering I'm wondering I'm really I'm wondering I'm wondering Rob if it's a combination of what you Rob if it's a combination of what you Rob if it's a combination of what you kind of we might revert back to some of kind of we might revert back to some of kind of we might revert back to some of our old school ways of the way we our old school ways of the way we our old school ways of the way we authenticate and you think about authenticate and you think about authenticate and you think about um digital files when you have an um digital files when you have an um digital files when you have an original digital file and you make original digital file and you make original digital file and you make changes to it there is a trail there changes to it there is a trail there changes to it there is a trail there right there's a trail there that that right there's a trail there that that right there's a trail there that that you lawyers go out and they'll hire the you lawyers go out and they'll hire the you lawyers go out and they'll hire the experts so they can see things that have experts so they can see things that have experts so they can see things that have been changed and dates and there's a been changed and dates and there's a been changed and dates and there's a there's a trail digitally that shows there's a trail digitally that shows there's a trail digitally that shows that the modifications it shows authors that the modifications it shows authors that the modifications it shows authors there's all kinds of ways to manipulate there's all kinds of ways to manipulate there's all kinds of ways to manipulate that but there are some Trails there and that but there are some Trails there and that but there are some Trails there and just like with your computer system just like with your computer system just like with your computer system today your laptop computer folks can go today your laptop computer folks can go today your laptop computer folks can go in and they can even people that go and in and they can even people that go and in and they can even people that go and delete everything they can say oh this delete everything they can say oh this delete everything they can say oh this was deleted this is when it was deleted was deleted this is when it was deleted was deleted this is when it was deleted this is what they tried to do to your this is what they tried to do to your this is what they tried to do to your system and so there is some intelligence system and so there is some intelligence system and so there is some intelligence there on the back end and I'm wondering there on the back end and I'm wondering there on the back end and I'm wondering if it's a combination of the old school if it's a combination of the old school if it's a combination of the old school methods and then having some kind of methods and then having some kind of methods and then having some kind of digital trill that that actually has the digital trill that that actually has the digital trill that that actually has the data that shows all the manipulation data that shows all the manipulation data that shows all the manipulation that took place of that file that that took place of that file that that took place of that file that picture that asset this is what picture that asset this is what picture that asset this is what developers do with the with their yeah developers do with the with their yeah developers do with the with their yeah Source Source Source um called repositories yeah um called repositories yeah um called repositories yeah today like legal cases that take place today like legal cases that take place today like legal cases that take place they'll go out and hire they'll go out and hire they'll go out and hire um an expert you know cyber security guy um an expert you know cyber security guy um an expert you know cyber security guy they'll come in and they will tell you they'll come in and they will tell you they'll come in and they will tell you yes this computer that your employee had

yes this computer that your employee had yes this computer that your employee had this is what they did to it before they this is what they did to it before they this is what they did to it before they left your company and they know every left your company and they know every left your company and they know every little detail and those guys are really little detail and those guys are really little detail and those guys are really good at that and I'm wondering if that good at that and I'm wondering if that good at that and I'm wondering if that kind of intelligence is what we need all kind of intelligence is what we need all kind of intelligence is what we need all the way down to the asset level of the way down to the asset level of the way down to the asset level of whatever we're using to create all these whatever we're using to create all these whatever we're using to create all these things things things so Robbie rob you bring up a point about so Robbie rob you bring up a point about so Robbie rob you bring up a point about that about the information and the that about the information and the that about the information and the verification is there a blockchain piece verification is there a blockchain piece verification is there a blockchain piece that could be integrated to this that could be integrated to this that could be integrated to this yeah yeah maybe something that's what yeah yeah maybe something that's what yeah yeah maybe something that's what you use for attestation today I mean you use for attestation today I mean you use for attestation today I mean that that's that's what people are doing that that's that's what people are doing that that's that's what people are doing especially on supply chain and crypto especially on supply chain and crypto especially on supply chain and crypto Logistics and things you know what Logistics and things you know what Logistics and things you know what blockchain's been a solution in search blockchain's been a solution in search blockchain's been a solution in search of a problem and maybe we finally found of a problem and maybe we finally found of a problem and maybe we finally found the problem seriously not crypto to the audience who don't get it to the audience who don't get it blockchain was hijacked by the crypto blockchain was hijacked by the crypto blockchain was hijacked by the crypto Community to continue to Pivot okay Community to continue to Pivot okay Community to continue to Pivot okay we're not we're talking about blockchain we're not we're talking about blockchain we're not we're talking about blockchain the technology the technology the technology It's Gonna Save Us all yeah well I mean It's Gonna Save Us all yeah well I mean It's Gonna Save Us all yeah well I mean just what I was describing about having just what I was describing about having just what I was describing about having the original file and showing the the original file and showing the the original file and showing the changes and it has to be authenticated changes and it has to be authenticated changes and it has to be authenticated that's what I mean that's essentially that's what I mean that's essentially that's what I mean that's essentially that's blockchain yeah cracking check that's blockchain yeah cracking check that's blockchain yeah cracking check track and Trace hey all of a sudden track and Trace hey all of a sudden track and Trace hey all of a sudden we're not grumpy old people we're not grumpy old people we're not grumpy old people speak for yourself all of a sudden we're speak for yourself all of a sudden we're speak for yourself all of a sudden we're like freaking cool I was like oh if they

like freaking cool I was like oh if they like freaking cool I was like oh if they said something good about blockchain yes said something good about blockchain yes said something good about blockchain yes but we didn't say anything good about but we didn't say anything good about but we didn't say anything good about crypto you can wire transfer our series crypto you can wire transfer our series crypto you can wire transfer our series B Money to this code B Money to this code B Money to this code because we're cool now we said because we're cool now we said because we're cool now we said blockchain yeah we said blockchain and blockchain yeah we said blockchain and blockchain yeah we said blockchain and we said yeah we said yeah we said yeah but at some point at the beginning when but at some point at the beginning when but at some point at the beginning when I joined the conversation Leonard saw me I joined the conversation Leonard saw me I joined the conversation Leonard saw me very looted like uh you you know the very looted like uh you you know the very looted like uh you you know the little bits or I don't know how to little bits or I don't know how to little bits or I don't know how to pronounce that in in English that they were doing sabotage and that they were doing sabotage and everything to machine and better reasons yes the luddites and sabotages yes the luddites and sabotages yes let's put the Wooden Shoe inside the yes let's put the Wooden Shoe inside the yes let's put the Wooden Shoe inside the gears to stop the machine Let's yeah gears to stop the machine Let's yeah gears to stop the machine Let's yeah so we're gonna see this right on AI what so we're gonna see this right on AI what so we're gonna see this right on AI what do you think do you think do you think I'm sorry I did I didn't get it I have I'm sorry I did I didn't get it I have I'm sorry I did I didn't get it I have audio issues I don't have enough AI in audio issues I don't have enough AI in audio issues I don't have enough AI in my microphone to my microphone to my microphone to give me a uh yeah the blockchain on your give me a uh yeah the blockchain on your give me a uh yeah the blockchain on your microphone is it dropping there yeah microphone is it dropping there yeah microphone is it dropping there yeah no no really quickly what was that again no no really quickly what was that again no no really quickly what was that again what's the question I was I was a nudist what's the question I was I was a nudist what's the question I was I was a nudist in the 18th century when the Industrial in the 18th century when the Industrial in the 18th century when the Industrial Revolution was happening Revolution was happening Revolution was happening um so there was like a ban of Artisans um so there was like a ban of Artisans um so there was like a ban of Artisans that were against Industrial Revolution that were against Industrial Revolution that were against Industrial Revolution so they were doing sabotage and attacks so they were doing sabotage and attacks so they were doing sabotage and attacks oh yeah yeah machines Etc yeah but yeah

oh yeah yeah machines Etc yeah but yeah oh yeah yeah machines Etc yeah but yeah but then you know what the The Artisans but then you know what the The Artisans but then you know what the The Artisans didn't go away I think it's crazy because yeah I I take I think it's crazy because yeah I I take I take a look back at our iot coffee I take a look back at our iot coffee I take a look back at our iot coffee talk in a year a year and a half ago talk in a year a year and a half ago talk in a year a year and a half ago when we were talking about AI it was when we were talking about AI it was when we were talking about AI it was more around the discussion of machine more around the discussion of machine more around the discussion of machine learning and modeling in intelligence learning and modeling in intelligence learning and modeling in intelligence and analytics and now and analytics and now and analytics and now we've morphed into this super advanced we've morphed into this super advanced we've morphed into this super advanced technology that's going to disrupt our technology that's going to disrupt our technology that's going to disrupt our world in many bad ways it and it's that world in many bad ways it and it's that world in many bad ways it and it's that fast fast fast that our discussion has changed but that our discussion has changed but that our discussion has changed but let's be Optimist imagine that the let's be Optimist imagine that the let's be Optimist imagine that the generative AI uh can improve the generative AI uh can improve the generative AI uh can improve the efficiency of solar panels efficiency of solar panels efficiency of solar panels by 100 of what we have today or can cure by 100 of what we have today or can cure by 100 of what we have today or can cure specific diseases or Worse cases or yeah specific diseases or Worse cases or yeah specific diseases or Worse cases or yeah there are positive uses power right it's it's like the atomic power right it's it's like the atomic um yeah technology right of course it's um yeah technology right of course it's um yeah technology right of course it's bad right it's completely good on bad right it's completely good on bad right it's completely good on medicine on energy medicine on energy medicine on energy was saying if we focus on Humanity was saying if we focus on Humanity was saying if we focus on Humanity those are the positive things that were those are the positive things that were those are the positive things that were due with it that's great but I'm still due with it that's great but I'm still due with it that's great but I'm still going back to what Stephanie said this going back to what Stephanie said this going back to what Stephanie said this could crumble

could crumble could crumble with Bad actors oh yeah but who are The with Bad actors oh yeah but who are The with Bad actors oh yeah but who are The Bad actors for me are like private Bad actors for me are like private Bad actors for me are like private companies here no and government companies here no and government companies here no and government so governments should be completely open so governments should be completely open so governments should be completely open source and an open technology for source and an open technology for source and an open technology for everyone everyone everyone I'm sure I agree with that um you're I'm sure I agree with that um you're I'm sure I agree with that um you're you're you're you're having a different you're you're you're having a different you're you're you're having a different conversation with that one that's a conversation with that one that's a conversation with that one that's a different debate but you know we're different debate but you know we're different debate but you know we're talking about the application not the talking about the application not the talking about the application not the technology right the applications of the technology right the applications of the technology right the applications of the technology so a lot of you know and I technology so a lot of you know and I technology so a lot of you know and I mean it's amazing that we're still mean it's amazing that we're still mean it's amazing that we're still confused about this stuff and I I run confused about this stuff and I I run confused about this stuff and I I run into people who don't see the difference into people who don't see the difference into people who don't see the difference between technology and the applications between technology and the applications between technology and the applications right the applicant the technology is right the applicant the technology is right the applicant the technology is what it is it is not powerful right it's what it is it is not powerful right it's what it is it is not powerful right it's the applications that impact our lives the applications that impact our lives the applications that impact our lives in the world and it's the bad actor what in the world and it's the bad actor what in the world and it's the bad actor what the thing it just happens that this the thing it just happens that this the thing it just happens that this technology its capabilities are perfect technology its capabilities are perfect technology its capabilities are perfect for folks who for folks who for folks who um do quote unquote bad things or um do quote unquote bad things or um do quote unquote bad things or annoying things like spammers right annoying things like spammers right annoying things like spammers right digital marketers digital marketers digital marketers that that that's that's the you know the that that that's that's the you know the that that that's that's the you know the distinction that we have to make here distinction that we have to make here distinction that we have to make here well it's not even just that the scary well it's not even just that the scary well it's not even just that the scary thing is is human can train it on XYZ thing is is human can train it on XYZ thing is is human can train it on XYZ and create something that's a bad acting and create something that's a bad acting and create something that's a bad acting like whatever application but that AI like whatever application but that AI like whatever application but that AI model can take a mind of its own yeah model can take a mind of its own yeah model can take a mind of its own yeah and there doesn't have to be a human and there doesn't have to be a human and there doesn't have to be a human element at all

element at all element at all and do really bad things right human and do really bad things right human and do really bad things right human intervention from our reality what we intervention from our reality what we intervention from our reality what we think is a human reality human values think is a human reality human values think is a human reality human values and stuff like that it it you know given and stuff like that it it you know given and stuff like that it it you know given how what we saw with Tay project a there how what we saw with Tay project a there how what we saw with Tay project a there there is no reason why we should assume there is no reason why we should assume there is no reason why we should assume that this thing will continue to evolve that this thing will continue to evolve that this thing will continue to evolve in a positive way so ai ai does not have in a positive way so ai ai does not have in a positive way so ai ai does not have a conscious no what are the consequences what are the consequences yeah yeah yeah to whom to whom to whom on the negative side like there's no on the negative side like there's no on the negative side like there's no governing body there's no like you know governing body there's no like you know governing body there's no like you know the Hague of AI like how what do we the Hague of AI like how what do we the Hague of AI like how what do we what's the consequences when you get what's the consequences when you get what's the consequences when you get caught doing bad stuff it's a typical caught doing bad stuff it's a typical caught doing bad stuff it's a typical legal stuff I suppose legal stuff I suppose legal stuff I suppose there that's that's kind of like what there that's that's kind of like what there that's that's kind of like what Putin's saying where's the consequences Putin's saying where's the consequences Putin's saying where's the consequences of me am I gonna be dragging today of me am I gonna be dragging today of me am I gonna be dragging today or am I just gonna flip them off or am I just gonna flip them off or am I just gonna flip them off baby yeah I mean you know I mean no no baby yeah I mean you know I mean no no baby yeah I mean you know I mean no no you're right you know what you're right you know what you're right you know what this is it's good to be optimistic and this is it's good to be optimistic and this is it's good to be optimistic and we should work on Solutions I also think we should work on Solutions I also think we should work on Solutions I also think just because uh Humanity there's a just because uh Humanity there's a just because uh Humanity there's a percentage of people that are just bad percentage of people that are just bad percentage of people that are just bad people they're just evil and I see that people they're just evil and I see that people they're just evil and I see that you see that proven you see that proven you see that proven Humanity will tear itself apart without Humanity will tear itself apart without Humanity will tear itself apart without guard rails and we see it every day guard rails and we see it every day guard rails and we see it every day anybody who thinks we're living in a anybody who thinks we're living in a anybody who thinks we're living in a real civilization is illusory okay you

real civilization is illusory okay you real civilization is illusory okay you know but again we're going to go back so know but again we're going to go back so know but again we're going to go back so again what's the governing body of AI again what's the governing body of AI again what's the governing body of AI Team America oh actually the solution is Project actually the solution is Project Stephanie we're all going to go out to a Stephanie we're all going to go out to a Stephanie we're all going to go out to a ranch in the middle of nowhere and we're ranch in the middle of nowhere and we're ranch in the middle of nowhere and we're going to be preppersed and we're happy going to be preppersed and we're happy going to be preppersed and we're happy yeah yeah yeah don't you remember when we were during don't you remember when we were during don't you remember when we were during code we created a compound now we need code we created a compound now we need code we created a compound now we need to create another compound that's right to create another compound that's right to create another compound that's right this is going to be like Red Dawn by the this is going to be like Red Dawn by the this is going to be like Red Dawn by the end of this year exactly yeah exactly yeah baby awesome I have to go by the way oh baby awesome I have to go by the way oh baby awesome I have to go by the way oh you do all right you know what you know I know you're you know what you know I know you're thinking that though some of the stuff thinking that though some of the stuff thinking that though some of the stuff I'm saying is insane but I'm thinking I'm saying is insane but I'm thinking I'm saying is insane but I'm thinking just about every bad scenario you can just about every bad scenario you can just about every bad scenario you can think of that could happen it actually think of that could happen it actually think of that could happen it actually will happen well the people money being will happen well the people money being will happen well the people money being withdrawn from their bank accounts being withdrawn from their bank accounts being withdrawn from their bank accounts being tricked like Stephanie's example tricked like Stephanie's example tricked like Stephanie's example yeah absolutely it's already happening yeah absolutely it's already happening yeah absolutely it's already happening it'll happen at the corporate level it'll happen at the corporate level it'll happen at the corporate level it'll happen at government level the it'll happen at government level the it'll happen at government level the fake videos people getting arrested fake videos people getting arrested fake videos people getting arrested people unable to prosecute bad people people unable to prosecute bad people people unable to prosecute bad people because they're like what me yeah and because they're like what me yeah and because they're like what me yeah and they go but we have video evidence it's

they go but we have video evidence it's they go but we have video evidence it's like nice try it was fake the whole like nice try it was fake the whole like nice try it was fake the whole thing's fake wasn't me right right well thing's fake wasn't me right right well thing's fake wasn't me right right well I mean I mean I mean prove it prove it prove it Rob that was brought up last week in Rob that was brought up last week in Rob that was brought up last week in Boulder at the uh at the a meeting that Boulder at the uh at the a meeting that Boulder at the uh at the a meeting that you know that we talked about uh was how you know that we talked about uh was how you know that we talked about uh was how about just the grid about just the grid about just the grid and Ai and Bad actors got a you know and Ai and Bad actors got a you know and Ai and Bad actors got a you know that'll cause you to not be able to that'll cause you to not be able to that'll cause you to not be able to money transfer that'll cause you to not money transfer that'll cause you to not money transfer that'll cause you to not get gas and it'll cause you not to buy get gas and it'll cause you not to buy get gas and it'll cause you not to buy food food food just Bad actors from AI generated just Bad actors from AI generated just Bad actors from AI generated on the grid yeah yeah you know here's on the grid yeah yeah you know here's on the grid yeah yeah you know here's the thing the thing the thing the all the the bad stuff the the all the the bad stuff the the all the the bad stuff the potentially bad stuff is actually those potentially bad stuff is actually those potentially bad stuff is actually those are applications that are possible yeah are applications that are possible yeah are applications that are possible yeah now all the Kumbaya nice hey you know now all the Kumbaya nice hey you know now all the Kumbaya nice hey you know this is gonna give us the world uplift this is gonna give us the world uplift this is gonna give us the world uplift stuff that's all hypothetical there it's stuff that's all hypothetical there it's stuff that's all hypothetical there it's the technology is actually not the technology is actually not the technology is actually not proven to have that kind of benefit or proven to have that kind of benefit or proven to have that kind of benefit or support that kind of application so here support that kind of application so here support that kind of application so here just really quickly here's a just really quickly here's a just really quickly here's a conversation I had conversation I had conversation I had um somebody said hey look I use gen AI um somebody said hey look I use gen AI um somebody said hey look I use gen AI or chat GPT to come out with the draft or chat GPT to come out with the draft or chat GPT to come out with the draft of uh uh proposals that we were going to of uh uh proposals that we were going to of uh uh proposals that we were going to put together it got us about 60 there put together it got us about 60 there put together it got us about 60 there and it saved us X number of weeks where and it saved us X number of weeks where and it saved us X number of weeks where it took us a month it took us a month it took us a month um it got us in just uh you know five um it got us in just uh you know five um it got us in just uh you know five minutes it probably saved us two weeks minutes it probably saved us two weeks minutes it probably saved us two weeks of work and I said well you only got you

of work and I said well you only got you of work and I said well you only got you to 60 percent what about the remain to 60 percent what about the remain to 60 percent what about the remain remaining 40 usually the reason why it remaining 40 usually the reason why it remaining 40 usually the reason why it takes eight you know um a month is takes eight you know um a month is takes eight you know um a month is because of that last 20 percent so how because of that last 20 percent so how because of that last 20 percent so how where's your evidence that this actually where's your evidence that this actually where's your evidence that this actually helped you got a drop yeah helped you got a drop yeah helped you got a drop yeah right guys right guys right guys I think that means we have to close out I think that means we have to close out I think that means we have to close out all right hey to our empty coffees talk all right hey to our empty coffees talk all right hey to our empty coffees talk listeners thanks for tuning in remember listeners thanks for tuning in remember listeners thanks for tuning in remember to subscribe to uh you know uh RIT to subscribe to uh you know uh RIT to subscribe to uh you know uh RIT coffee talk at coffee talk at coffee talk at www.iotcopytalk.com www.iotcopytalk.com www.iotcopytalk.com remember to donate and uh buy our shirts remember to donate and uh buy our shirts remember to donate and uh buy our shirts okay and that will be a uh all the okay and that will be a uh all the okay and that will be a uh all the proceeds will go to our um uh charity proceeds will go to our um uh charity proceeds will go to our um uh charity which is Elevate our kids at www dot which is Elevate our kids at www dot which is Elevate our kids at www dot elevateurkids.org and we will see you elevateurkids.org and we will see you elevateurkids.org and we will see you next week next week next week bye bye bye bye bye bye [Music]