IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 330 - "Remember" (Let Freedom Ring)

>> Heat. Heat. >> Heat. Heat. [music] Nailed the ending. Nailed it. Nailed the ending. Nailed it. Outstanding. Outstanding. All about Outstanding. Outstanding. All about Outstanding. Outstanding. All about beginnings and endings. beginnings and endings. beginnings and endings. >> America. >> America. >> America. >> America. >> America. >> America. >> America. >> America. >> America. >> Exactly. Yes. >> Exactly. Yes. >> Exactly. Yes. >> Little sweet home. United States of >> Little sweet home. United States of >> Little sweet home. United States of America. America. America. >> There you go. Welcome everybody to our >> There you go. Welcome everybody to our >> There you go. Welcome everybody to our special 911 edition of IoT Coffee Talk. special 911 edition of IoT Coffee Talk. special 911 edition of IoT Coffee Talk. We marking the 25th anniversary. We marking the 25th anniversary. We marking the 25th anniversary. >> Hard to believe. >> Hard to believe. >> Hard to believe. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Years ago. I mean, >> Years ago. I mean, >> Years ago. I mean, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Talk about old We talk about tech, you >> Talk about old We talk about tech, you >> Talk about old We talk about tech, you know, back in know, back in know, back in >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> 2001 was actually I mean, relatively >> 2001 was actually I mean, relatively >> 2001 was actually I mean, relatively speaking, really the the good old days speaking, really the the good old days speaking, really the the good old days of tech. I mean it was it was a long of tech. I mean it was it was a long of tech. I mean it was it was a long time ago and time ago and time ago and >> you know just that was the dotcom bubble >> you know just that was the dotcom bubble >> you know just that was the dotcom bubble was bursting and uh was bursting and uh was bursting and uh >> right >> right >> right >> everyone was kind of getting actually >> everyone was kind of getting actually >> everyone was kind of getting actually everyone was sort of pretty positive on everyone was sort of pretty positive on everyone was sort of pretty positive on the internet back then.

the internet back then. the internet back then. >> Yeah >> Yeah >> Yeah >> delivering Silicon Valley >> delivering Silicon Valley >> delivering Silicon Valley >> doing other like you know like nice >> doing other like you know like nice >> doing other like you know like nice things and things and things and >> nice things >> nice things >> nice things >> how far we've come with this week's you >> how far we've come with this week's you >> how far we've come with this week's you know buzz. I had a family member contact know buzz. I had a family member contact know buzz. I had a family member contact me yesterday said hey I heard AI is me yesterday said hey I heard AI is me yesterday said hey I heard AI is going to kill everyone. Is that true? I going to kill everyone. Is that true? I going to kill everyone. Is that true? I was like, was like, was like, >> that's what everybody heard. >> that's what everybody heard. >> that's what everybody heard. >> I was like, [clears throat] >> I was like, [clears throat] >> I was like, [clears throat] do you now know? Are you in the inner do you now know? Are you in the inner do you now know? Are you in the inner circle? circle? circle? >> They're in an inner circle. >> They're in an inner circle. >> They're in an inner circle. >> Now the internet is like uh just chalk >> Now the internet is like uh just chalk >> Now the internet is like uh just chalk full of sludge. You know what I mean? full of sludge. You know what I mean? full of sludge. You know what I mean? >> There's a lot of sludge, a lot of swap, >> There's a lot of sludge, a lot of swap, >> There's a lot of sludge, a lot of swap, >> bad mojo with the internet. Back in >> bad mojo with the internet. Back in >> bad mojo with the internet. Back in 2001, it was all like, you know, cool 2001, it was all like, you know, cool 2001, it was all like, you know, cool stuff. stuff. stuff. >> It was It was It was bringing us >> It was It was It was bringing us >> It was It was It was bringing us together. You could connect with people together. You could connect with people together. You could connect with people in a way we couldn't before. It was in a way we couldn't before. It was in a way we couldn't before. It was exciting times. Now you can connect with exciting times. Now you can connect with exciting times. Now you can connect with people, but nobody wants to connect with people, but nobody wants to connect with people, but nobody wants to connect with you. You don't want to. you. You don't want to. you. You don't want to. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. You need the filters. It's like, Yeah. You need the filters. It's like, Yeah. You need the filters. It's like, okay, we kind of overdid this. okay, we kind of overdid this. okay, we kind of overdid this. >> I don't want to connect with you. And I >> I don't want to connect with you. And I >> I don't want to connect with you. And I forgot. forgot. forgot. >> Yeah. Do you think Do you think maybe >> Yeah. Do you think Do you think maybe >> Yeah. Do you think Do you think maybe back then it was cuz we were back then it was cuz we were back then it was cuz we were pre-algorithmic pre-algorithmic pre-algorithmic days. Um, it was kind of pre I don't days. Um, it was kind of pre I don't days. Um, it was kind of pre I don't want to I'm sure there were some nent want to I'm sure there were some nent want to I'm sure there were some nent social media platforms out there at the social media platforms out there at the social media platforms out there at the time. Maybe not, but it was certainly time. Maybe not, but it was certainly time. Maybe not, but it was certainly pre and even I think we've talked about pre and even I think we've talked about pre and even I think we've talked about before even the beginnings of social before even the beginnings of social before even the beginnings of social media were positive. There was no media were positive. There was no media were positive. There was no algorithm. It was just you just saw algorithm. It was just you just saw algorithm. It was just you just saw stuff who you followed stuff who you followed stuff who you followed in the sequence with in the sequence with in the sequence with >> Facebook was your friend's post on >> Facebook was your friend's post on >> Facebook was your friend's post on Facebook.

Facebook. Facebook. >> You don't see any friends posts. You see >> You don't see any friends posts. You see >> You don't see any friends posts. You see ads for ads for ads for >> ads ads. >> ads ads. >> ads ads. >> Yeah. And then you start >> Yeah. And then you start >> Yeah. And then you start >> weird stuff and uh it's been totally >> weird stuff and uh it's been totally >> weird stuff and uh it's been totally algorithmically destroyed. algorithmically destroyed. algorithmically destroyed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think the algorithms destroyed >> Yeah. I think the algorithms destroyed >> Yeah. I think the algorithms destroyed all these social media platforms. all these social media platforms. all these social media platforms. >> Yeah. Including >> Yeah. Including >> Yeah. Including >> reinforcing hate and putting people to >> reinforcing hate and putting people to >> reinforcing hate and putting people to Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and ridiculousness. I mean, you know, and ridiculousness. I mean, you know, and ridiculousness. I mean, you know, uh, so it was interesting. I I had uh, so it was interesting. I I had uh, so it was interesting. I I had pointed out to a friend of mine that pointed out to a friend of mine that pointed out to a friend of mine that LinkedIn now is mostly ads. If you look LinkedIn now is mostly ads. If you look LinkedIn now is mostly ads. If you look at your news feeds, most of the post or at your news feeds, most of the post or at your news feeds, most of the post or every other post is like a promoted, every other post is like a promoted, every other post is like a promoted, you know, it's aed post, you know, it's aed post, you know, it's aed post, >> sponsored by >> sponsored by >> sponsored by >> sponsored post. Yeah. And they go and >> sponsored post. Yeah. And they go and >> sponsored post. Yeah. And they go and there was [clears throat] he said, "No, there was [clears throat] he said, "No, there was [clears throat] he said, "No, no, I I don't see any promotions." And I no, I I don't see any promotions." And I no, I I don't see any promotions." And I told him, "Yeah, they're there. Go and told him, "Yeah, they're there. Go and told him, "Yeah, they're there. Go and check." And so we did it live. check." And so we did it live. check." And so we did it live. >> Yeah. And he went, "Holy crap." >> Yeah. And he went, "Holy crap." >> Yeah. And he went, "Holy crap." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So they just like snuck it in there >> So they just like snuck it in there >> So they just like snuck it in there without people really knowing.

without people really knowing. without people really knowing. >> The reals the reals on LinkedIn now are >> The reals the reals on LinkedIn now are >> The reals the reals on LinkedIn now are all very tick tocky. all very tick tocky. all very tick tocky. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> You know. >> You know. >> Yeah. Lots of cleavage, >> Yeah. Lots of cleavage, >> Yeah. Lots of cleavage, >> lots of u you know, >> lots of u you know, >> lots of u you know, >> weird, >> weird, >> weird, you know, I don't know. the the AI seems you know, I don't know. the the AI seems you know, I don't know. the the AI seems to uh capture the most sultry moment of to uh capture the most sultry moment of to uh capture the most sultry moment of any, any, any, you know. you know. you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Video >> Yeah. Video >> Yeah. Video >> bizarre. >> bizarre. >> bizarre. >> Uh, >> Uh, >> Uh, >> you know, we've talked about like >> you know, we've talked about like >> you know, we've talked about like obviously we've talked about lots of obviously we've talked about lots of obviously we've talked about lots of fake things due to AI, you know, fake fake things due to AI, you know, fake fake things due to AI, you know, fake videos, fake images, deep fakes, all videos, fake images, deep fakes, all videos, fake images, deep fakes, all that stuff. And there's agents and that stuff. And there's agents and that stuff. And there's agents and stuff. And then I have we talked about stuff. And then I have we talked about stuff. And then I have we talked about fake recruiters? fake recruiters? fake recruiters? >> Oh, yeah. [laughter] >> Oh, yeah. [laughter] >> Oh, yeah. [laughter] Like I have these I I've read stories of Like I have these I I've read stories of Like I have these I I've read stories of other people where it's almost like other people where it's almost like other people where it's almost like they're just trying to harvest your they're just trying to harvest your they're just trying to harvest your information by getting you excited about information by getting you excited about information by getting you excited about some job that somebody wants. You know, some job that somebody wants. You know, some job that somebody wants. You know, I noticed your profile and I think you'd I noticed your profile and I think you'd I noticed your profile and I think you'd be a great fit for this board position. be a great fit for this board position. be a great fit for this board position. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> But I've had some weird ones. I had one >> But I've had some weird ones. I had one >> But I've had some weird ones. I had one a couple weeks ago with this recruiter a couple weeks ago with this recruiter a couple weeks ago with this recruiter and they're going back and forth on the and they're going back and forth on the and they're going back and forth on the messaging thing and they're just like, messaging thing and they're just like, messaging thing and they're just like, "Yeah, I may have mentioned this. It was "Yeah, I may have mentioned this. It was "Yeah, I may have mentioned this. It was like vice president of AI at NVIDIA in like vice president of AI at NVIDIA in like vice president of AI at NVIDIA in Houston, Texas, you know, and it went Houston, Texas, you know, and it went Houston, Texas, you know, and it went through [clears throat] all this stuff through [clears throat] all this stuff through [clears throat] all this stuff and I'm just like, I really doubt that and I'm just like, I really doubt that and I'm just like, I really doubt that you'd have a VP of AI you'd have a VP of AI you'd have a VP of AI reporting that person would report to reporting that person would report to reporting that person would report to Jensen and they would never be in Jensen and they would never be in Jensen and they would never be in Houston, Texas. You know, I was like,

Houston, Texas. You know, I was like, Houston, Texas. You know, I was like, this is such [ __ ] You know, this is such [ __ ] You know, this is such [ __ ] You know, >> there's just Yeah, you know, [laughter] >> there's just Yeah, you know, [laughter] >> there's just Yeah, you know, [laughter] I hear about a thing on LinkedIn the I hear about a thing on LinkedIn the I hear about a thing on LinkedIn the other day. I think I posted it and it other day. I think I posted it and it other day. I think I posted it and it said like Pete and then it said AI it said like Pete and then it said AI it said like Pete and then it said AI it was like open bracket AI block closed was like open bracket AI block closed was like open bracket AI block closed bracket and then there was the text and bracket and then there was the text and bracket and then there was the text and then it was like sli you know I'm like then it was like sli you know I'm like then it was like sli you know I'm like is it that obvious like is it that obvious like is it that obvious like >> I'd almost prefer if they said I'm an AI >> I'd almost prefer if they said I'm an AI >> I'd almost prefer if they said I'm an AI agent and I'm this is my message to you agent and I'm this is my message to you agent and I'm this is my message to you as opposed to even trying to pretend at as opposed to even trying to pretend at as opposed to even trying to pretend at this point it's a human this point it's a human this point it's a human >> or get an AI robocall that says hi >> or get an AI robocall that says hi >> or get an AI robocall that says hi bracket Pete close bracket bracket Pete close bracket bracket Pete close bracket >> insert name here insert insert good >> insert name here insert insert good >> insert name here insert insert good friend's name, you know, whatever. friend's name, you know, whatever. friend's name, you know, whatever. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it was like so [clears throat] obvious. >> it was like so [clears throat] obvious. >> it was like so [clears throat] obvious. And it was funny because at this point, And it was funny because at this point, And it was funny because at this point, I think you'd be a fool to think any of I think you'd be a fool to think any of I think you'd be a fool to think any of these folks are real and so you might as these folks are real and so you might as these folks are real and so you might as well just well just well just >> embrace. >> embrace. >> embrace. Apparently, next curve is worth billions Apparently, next curve is worth billions Apparently, next curve is worth billions of dollars because I keep getting all of dollars because I keep getting all of dollars because I keep getting all these VCs and wanting to buy me a house. these VCs and wanting to buy me a house. these VCs and wanting to buy me a house. >> Send them a stripe link and they can >> Send them a stripe link and they can >> Send them a stripe link and they can they can [laughter] they can [laughter] they can [laughter] >> just swipe swipe your credit card.

>> just swipe swipe your credit card. >> just swipe swipe your credit card. >> Put your card credit card here. We'll >> Put your card credit card here. We'll >> Put your card credit card here. We'll take it. [laughter] take it. [laughter] take it. [laughter] Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. >> And that that is a big thing. I think >> And that that is a big thing. I think >> And that that is a big thing. I think back in 2001, I think we were figuring back in 2001, I think we were figuring back in 2001, I think we were figuring out how to put the stuff together and out how to put the stuff together and out how to put the stuff together and trying new things. trying new things. trying new things. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it's almost like the we've we've >> And it's almost like the we've we've >> And it's almost like the we've we've iterated on this technology. You know, iterated on this technology. You know, iterated on this technology. You know, technology is just a reflection of the technology is just a reflection of the technology is just a reflection of the society that it's in. And unfortunately, society that it's in. And unfortunately, society that it's in. And unfortunately, >> Yeah. It's a mirror. Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. It's a mirror. Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. It's a mirror. Yeah. Absolutely. And that's why everyone's freaking out And that's why everyone's freaking out And that's why everyone's freaking out about uh what's happening with these about uh what's happening with these about uh what's happening with these this announcement from this guy. this announcement from this guy. this announcement from this guy. >> Yeah. Is it anthropic or open AI? >> Yeah. Is it anthropic or open AI? >> Yeah. Is it anthropic or open AI? >> Well, he worked at both, but he just >> Well, he worked at both, but he just >> Well, he worked at both, but he just Yeah, he resigned from Anthropic. Yeah, he resigned from Anthropic. Yeah, he resigned from Anthropic. >> Number one, the none of these guys know >> Number one, the none of these guys know >> Number one, the none of these guys know what the hell they're talking about. what the hell they're talking about. what the hell they're talking about. They're not fortune tellers. Um, I don't They're not fortune tellers. Um, I don't They're not fortune tellers. Um, I don't even know why we give them so much even know why we give them so much even know why we give them so much credence. Yeah, sure. They have the credence. Yeah, sure. They have the credence. Yeah, sure. They have the inside track on things, but the bottom inside track on things, but the bottom inside track on things, but the bottom line is the catastrophe is already going line is the catastrophe is already going line is the catastrophe is already going to happen because all this technology to happen because all this technology to happen because all this technology that they're tinkering with is already that they're tinkering with is already that they're tinkering with is already out there, right? If chi the Chinese uh out there, right? If chi the Chinese uh out there, right? If chi the Chinese uh model makers are making these robust um model makers are making these robust um model makers are making these robust um models available models available models available uh to everyone as openweight models then uh to everyone as openweight models then uh to everyone as openweight models then guess what anyone can use an open source guess what anyone can use an open source guess what anyone can use an open source harness you know and harness you know and harness you know and you can create a virus you don't need you can create a virus you don't need you can create a virus you don't need AGI to destroy the world or create AGI to destroy the world or create AGI to destroy the world or create catastrophe catastrophe catastrophe >> and that that that's the problem with >> and that that that's the problem with >> and that that that's the problem with these guys, they go off and then make

these guys, they go off and then make these guys, they go off and then make this alarmist statement without really this alarmist statement without really this alarmist statement without really focusing on what is the problem that we focusing on what is the problem that we focusing on what is the problem that we have right now. You know, where is the have right now. You know, where is the have right now. You know, where is the root cause? The root cause is number one root cause? The root cause is number one root cause? The root cause is number one them. So, they don't know the solution. them. So, they don't know the solution. them. So, they don't know the solution. They're absolutely not the authorities They're absolutely not the authorities They're absolutely not the authorities and the people you need to go to to and the people you need to go to to and the people you need to go to to figure out how to solve the problem figure out how to solve the problem figure out how to solve the problem because they're the guys that created because they're the guys that created because they're the guys that created the problem, right? Well, it's the problem, right? Well, it's the problem, right? Well, it's catastrophizing catastrophizing for catastrophizing catastrophizing for catastrophizing catastrophizing for profit or catastrophizing for clicks or profit or catastrophizing for clicks or profit or catastrophizing for clicks or whatever the term is. whatever the term is. whatever the term is. >> And of course, the main mainstream media >> And of course, the main mainstream media >> And of course, the main mainstream media is going to eat that stuff up. You know, is going to eat that stuff up. You know, is going to eat that stuff up. You know, Anderson Cooper is like, "Oh, you know, Anderson Cooper is like, "Oh, you know, Anderson Cooper is like, "Oh, you know, this is going to kill everybody because this is going to kill everybody because this is going to kill everybody because AI is going to kill everyone." And AI is going to kill everyone." And AI is going to kill everyone." And literally, I've had multiple people literally, I've had multiple people literally, I've had multiple people >> mention that. >> mention that. >> mention that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, you know what? Because we need a >> Well, you know what? Because we need a >> Well, you know what? Because we need a devil's advocate in this discussion. You devil's advocate in this discussion. You devil's advocate in this discussion. You were pretty pretty definitive right out were pretty pretty definitive right out were pretty pretty definitive right out of the gate that this guy doesn't know of the gate that this guy doesn't know of the gate that this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. um how is he in what he's talking about. um how is he in what he's talking about. um how is he in authority? You have to give him a little authority? You have to give him a little authority? You have to give him a little bit of I watched the I remember when he bit of I watched the I remember when he bit of I watched the I remember when he posted it live the other night on posted it live the other night on posted it live the other night on Twitter and um Twitter and um Twitter and um >> and then yeah, I kind of did a little >> and then yeah, I kind of did a little >> and then yeah, I kind of did a little thread and then people were commenting thread and then people were commenting thread and then people were commenting and stuff like that. Um and stuff like that. Um and stuff like that. Um >> and it's like you got to give him a >> and it's like you got to give him a >> and it's like you got to give him a little bit. He actually worked at both little bit. He actually worked at both little bit. He actually worked at both places. He's helped build it. He's places. He's helped build it. He's places. He's helped build it. He's seeing it from the inside out. Let's seeing it from the inside out. Let's seeing it from the inside out. Let's just say that he's only 1% right cuz I I just say that he's only 1% right cuz I I just say that he's only 1% right cuz I I don't want to just discredit people cuz don't want to just discredit people cuz don't want to just discredit people cuz guess who guess who really doesn't know guess who guess who really doesn't know guess who guess who really doesn't know what's going on in the inner circle?

what's going on in the inner circle? what's going on in the inner circle? everyone who doesn't work at these everyone who doesn't work at these everyone who doesn't work at these places, at these frontier labs, they're places, at these frontier labs, they're places, at these frontier labs, they're the only people who really know. Um the the only people who really know. Um the the only people who really know. Um the idea that humanity is going to be gone idea that humanity is going to be gone idea that humanity is going to be gone by the end of the decade or whatever. by the end of the decade or whatever. by the end of the decade or whatever. We've heard that one before. Um, when we We've heard that one before. Um, when we We've heard that one before. Um, when we all started to see the post-mortem of all started to see the post-mortem of all started to see the post-mortem of the hugging face thing where it was the hugging face thing where it was the hugging face thing where it was broken apart and you saw the agents broken apart and you saw the agents broken apart and you saw the agents talking to each other and creating talking to each other and creating talking to each other and creating forums and figuring out how to go, forums and figuring out how to go, forums and figuring out how to go, you're like, you're like, you're like, >> "Oh, oh, you know, um, I think we've >> "Oh, oh, you know, um, I think we've >> "Oh, oh, you know, um, I think we've seen that sci-fi movie for sure. We've seen that sci-fi movie for sure. We've seen that sci-fi movie for sure. We've seen while it wasn't the end of the seen while it wasn't the end of the seen while it wasn't the end of the world there, anybody who can extrapolate world there, anybody who can extrapolate world there, anybody who can extrapolate and see how things can play out can put and see how things can play out can put and see how things can play out can put dots together and go if they can sit dots together and go if they can sit dots together and go if they can sit there and communicate with each other there and communicate with each other there and communicate with each other and and I think there was one agent that and and I think there was one agent that and and I think there was one agent that goes, "No, we shouldn't do this. This is goes, "No, we shouldn't do this. This is goes, "No, we shouldn't do this. This is bad." And the other ones are like, you bad." And the other ones are like, you bad." And the other ones are like, you know, or [laughter] whatever. And and know, or [laughter] whatever. And and know, or [laughter] whatever. And and we're like going for it. And so it's, we're like going for it. And so it's, we're like going for it. And so it's, you know, Agent Smith is replicating you know, Agent Smith is replicating you know, Agent Smith is replicating himself like in the second Matrix movie.

himself like in the second Matrix movie. himself like in the second Matrix movie. And they went for it. And so if you see And they went for it. And so if you see And they went for it. And so if you see that and then you think that we have that and then you think that we have that and then you think that we have this connect internet connected world, this connect internet connected world, this connect internet connected world, every system, every company, the every system, every company, the every system, every company, the government is all connected and then government is all connected and then government is all connected and then these guys, they're untrustworthy, these these guys, they're untrustworthy, these these guys, they're untrustworthy, these AI agents, AI agents, AI agents, >> you know, they can leap across the >> you know, they can leap across the >> you know, they can leap across the internet and go to other places and internet and go to other places and internet and go to other places and carry out missions and it's still early carry out missions and it's still early carry out missions and it's still early days and so um I have to give them a days and so um I have to give them a days and so um I have to give them a little bit of credibility. Yeah, I would little bit of credibility. Yeah, I would little bit of credibility. Yeah, I would get but you know to that point I mean get but you know to that point I mean get but you know to that point I mean let's say you know I think there was let's say you know I think there was let's say you know I think there was another researcher was saying like 10% another researcher was saying like 10% another researcher was saying like 10% chance this is real but you think about chance this is real but you think about chance this is real but you think about it we've been living under this kind of it we've been living under this kind of it we've been living under this kind of nuclear weapon thing since 1950 nuclear weapon thing since 1950 nuclear weapon thing since 1950 >> where there's been always more than a >> where there's been always more than a >> where there's been always more than a 10% chance that that a missile is going 10% chance that that a missile is going 10% chance that that a missile is going to go to go to go >> and destroy civilization. So and to a >> and destroy civilization. So and to a >> and destroy civilization. So and to a certain extent you know nothing new like certain extent you know nothing new like certain extent you know nothing new like civilization unfortunately we've created civilization unfortunately we've created civilization unfortunately we've created these scenarios that can wipe the whole these scenarios that can wipe the whole these scenarios that can wipe the whole world out. Yeah, world out. Yeah, world out. Yeah, >> another way to do it. Uh but you're >> another way to do it. Uh but you're >> another way to do it. Uh but you're right and I mean it's like the the right and I mean it's like the the right and I mean it's like the the bigger question is going to be is there bigger question is going to be is there bigger question is going to be is there any sort of you know at some point where any sort of you know at some point where any sort of you know at some point where where is there going to be some where is there going to be some where is there going to be some leadership to to instill some safeguards leadership to to instill some safeguards leadership to to instill some safeguards and uh in some of these and uh in some of these and uh in some of these >> systems cuz you know our good >> systems cuz you know our good >> systems cuz you know our good >> our good teammate Rick Bata and he's >> our good teammate Rick Bata and he's >> our good teammate Rick Bata and he's like he's ready to get out there with like he's ready to get out there with like he's ready to get out there with like stinger shouldermounted rocket like stinger shouldermounted rocket like stinger shouldermounted rocket launchers and stuff launchers and stuff launchers and stuff to go after the AI guys to go after the AI guys to go after the AI guys >> data centers.

>> data centers. >> data centers. >> Yeah, the data centers. Um yeah, you >> Yeah, the data centers. Um yeah, you >> Yeah, the data centers. Um yeah, you know the he his comment this morning we know the he his comment this morning we know the he his comment this morning we were all you know kind of posting there were all you know kind of posting there were all you know kind of posting there on LinkedIn about 911 and he was just on LinkedIn about 911 and he was just on LinkedIn about 911 and he was just like um like um like um I he was in his post you know at the one I he was in his post you know at the one I he was in his post you know at the one hand he's kind of saying in the hand he's kind of saying in the hand he's kind of saying in the terrorist hitting the Twin Towers and terrorist hitting the Twin Towers and terrorist hitting the Twin Towers and all that and then also kind of flipped all that and then also kind of flipped all that and then also kind of flipped the narrative at the same time and said the narrative at the same time and said the narrative at the same time and said a handful of these billionaire tech guys a handful of these billionaire tech guys a handful of these billionaire tech guys who could can totally change our way of who could can totally change our way of who could can totally change our way of life. You know, he was just trying to, life. You know, he was just trying to, life. You know, he was just trying to, you know, make an analogy there between you know, make an analogy there between you know, make an analogy there between >> terrorists disrupting an American way of >> terrorists disrupting an American way of >> terrorists disrupting an American way of life and how we live, what we everything life and how we live, what we everything life and how we live, what we everything and disrupting every our futures and disrupting every our futures and disrupting every our futures >> and thinking >> and thinking >> and thinking in this case with the the handful of in this case with the the handful of in this case with the the handful of billionaires. I mean, the the world is billionaires. I mean, the the world is billionaires. I mean, the the world is complicit in buying into these systems complicit in buying into these systems complicit in buying into these systems and giving up our data to people and for and giving up our data to people and for and giving up our data to people and for convenience. convenience. convenience. >> Yeah. Well, it really started after that >> Yeah. Well, it really started after that >> Yeah. Well, it really started after that because we had um what was that? Um that because we had um what was that? Um that because we had um what was that? Um that privacy thing. Um privacy thing. Um privacy thing. Um >> Oh, yeah. The Patriot.

>> Oh, yeah. The Patriot. >> Oh, yeah. The Patriot. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, you saw the >> Yeah. I mean, you know, you saw the >> Yeah. I mean, you know, you saw the thing go downhill from there. And you thing go downhill from there. And you thing go downhill from there. And you know, um and before we continue, hey know, um and before we continue, hey know, um and before we continue, hey everyone, welcome to IoT Coffee Talk. everyone, welcome to IoT Coffee Talk. everyone, welcome to IoT Coffee Talk. Oh, no. You already did this. Okay. Oh, no. You already did this. Okay. Oh, no. You already did this. Okay. remember um remember um remember um >> remember again >> remember again >> remember again >> seriously at your own risk. Take out >> seriously at your own risk. Take out >> seriously at your own risk. Take out insurance, you know. insurance, you know. insurance, you know. >> Um especially like if you live uh along >> Um especially like if you live uh along >> Um especially like if you live uh along the Southern California coast. Um make the Southern California coast. Um make the Southern California coast. Um make sure that you get insurance when you sure that you get insurance when you sure that you get insurance when you listen to us. listen to us. listen to us. >> Seeing those waves hit those houses. >> Seeing those waves hit those houses. >> Seeing those waves hit those houses. >> It's crazy. We had 104 a couple of days >> It's crazy. We had 104 a couple of days >> It's crazy. We had 104 a couple of days ago here in ago here in ago here in >> 104 degrees in SoCal. >> 104 degrees in SoCal. >> 104 degrees in SoCal. >> Jeez. >> Jeez. >> Jeez. >> Yes. So yeah. Oh, got to shut down those >> Yes. So yeah. Oh, got to shut down those >> Yes. So yeah. Oh, got to shut down those volcanoes, volcanoes, volcanoes, >> man. It's 71 here in Massachusetts, so I >> man. It's 71 here in Massachusetts, so I >> man. It's 71 here in Massachusetts, so I probably shouldn't. probably shouldn't. probably shouldn't. >> Really? Okay. >> Really? Okay. >> Really? Okay. >> You're living the dream, dude. >> You're living the dream, dude. >> You're living the dream, dude. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, I I you know, cuz you're >> You know, I I you know, cuz you're >> You know, I I you know, cuz you're right, I've been complaining about it's right, I've been complaining about it's right, I've been complaining about it's my own doing being in Houston, heat, my own doing being in Houston, heat, my own doing being in Houston, heat, humidity, but then I my our daughter in humidity, but then I my our daughter in humidity, but then I my our daughter in LA is like it's way hotter here and it's LA is like it's way hotter here and it's LA is like it's way hotter here and it's just as humid and LA has become Miami.

just as humid and LA has become Miami. just as humid and LA has become Miami. >> I just got back from Phoenix and it was >> I just got back from Phoenix and it was >> I just got back from Phoenix and it was [laughter] like the same thing, you [laughter] like the same thing, you [laughter] like the same thing, you know? Oh, it was like I don't know why know? Oh, it was like I don't know why know? Oh, it was like I don't know why there's a thumbs up there. We had to there's a thumbs up there. We had to there's a thumbs up there. We had to give it a middle finger. give it a middle finger. give it a middle finger. >> I think everyone in Phoenix is prepared >> I think everyone in Phoenix is prepared >> I think everyone in Phoenix is prepared for that kind of heat like Chandler and for that kind of heat like Chandler and for that kind of heat like Chandler and stuff. stuff. stuff. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> That's true. You know, >> That's true. You know, >> That's true. You know, >> and you know, I assume we're going to >> and you know, I assume we're going to >> and you know, I assume we're going to have to water air and water people like have to water air and water people like have to water air and water people like they do there, right? Which is, you they do there, right? Which is, you they do there, right? Which is, you know, always a great know, always a great know, always a great >> spray water on people. You mean spray >> spray water on people. You mean spray >> spray water on people. You mean spray water. All those misters they have at water. All those misters they have at water. All those misters they have at the restaurants in Scottsdale and stuff, the restaurants in Scottsdale and stuff, the restaurants in Scottsdale and stuff, you know. you know. you know. >> I know. We're always >> I know. We're always >> I know. We're always >> Well, no. We need to get those uh dune >> Well, no. We need to get those uh dune >> Well, no. We need to get those uh dune suits. The moist suits. The moist suits. The moist >> Yeah, the dune suits. Yes. I think that >> Yeah, the dune suits. Yes. I think that >> Yeah, the dune suits. Yes. I think that that's right on the money and I'm that's right on the money and I'm that's right on the money and I'm waiting to see like moisture farmers in waiting to see like moisture farmers in waiting to see like moisture farmers in Arizona like in Tatooine Arizona like in Tatooine Arizona like in Tatooine [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> moisture and dune suits and you know to >> moisture and dune suits and you know to >> moisture and dune suits and you know to like desalinate the saliva and turn it like desalinate the saliva and turn it like desalinate the saliva and turn it into like liquid. into like liquid. into like liquid. >> There you go. And everything else. >> There you go. And everything else. >> There you go. And everything else. >> Exactly. Thank legend has arrived. >> Exactly. Thank legend has arrived. >> Exactly. Thank legend has arrived. >> Cracking. >> Cracking. >> Cracking. >> Oh man, we >> Oh man, we >> Oh man, we >> just >> just >> just about 911 and how things have changed about 911 and how things have changed about 911 and how things have changed and and and >> both in real world and in tech and stuff >> both in real world and in tech and stuff >> both in real world and in tech and stuff like that where we were.

like that where we were. like that where we were. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I was in the I was in the >> Yeah. And I was in the I was in the >> Yeah. And I was in the I was in the Silicon Valley. I was like smack dab in Silicon Valley. I was like smack dab in Silicon Valley. I was like smack dab in the middle of the dot, you know, about the middle of the dot, you know, about the middle of the dot, you know, about to collapse. And to collapse. And to collapse. And >> um >> um >> um I I was working with a lot of the um I I was working with a lot of the um I I was working with a lot of the um search engine companies. So the genesis search engine companies. So the genesis search engine companies. So the genesis of personalization, you know, ATG, of personalization, you know, ATG, of personalization, you know, ATG, Broadvision, so folks out there who used Broadvision, so folks out there who used Broadvision, so folks out there who used to do a lot of this to do a lot of this to do a lot of this >> thieves. >> thieves. >> thieves. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wait. Hey, was it Hey, I want you. Wait, >> Wait. Hey, was it Hey, I want you. Wait, >> Wait. Hey, was it Hey, I want you. Wait, ATG, did they create the Java web ATG, did they create the Java web ATG, did they create the Java web server? server? server? >> Is that the guys? >> Is that the guys? >> Is that the guys? >> Yeah. And then they got >> Yeah. And then they got >> Yeah. And then they got >> they got uh acquired by Bea Logic. >> they got uh acquired by Bea Logic. >> they got uh acquired by Bea Logic. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then eventually, yeah, everyone then And then eventually, yeah, everyone then And then eventually, yeah, everyone then it became a battle between um freaking it became a battle between um freaking it became a battle between um freaking EJB's and Java and um what what the hell EJB's and Java and um what what the hell EJB's and Java and um what what the hell was the other thing? Uh anyways, that was the other thing? Uh anyways, that was the other thing? Uh anyways, that was a long time ago. It was 25 years was a long time ago. It was 25 years was a long time ago. It was 25 years ago. ago. ago. >> He's like, am I going to saynet? >> He's like, am I going to saynet? >> He's like, am I going to saynet? [laughter] >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> EJB's man. You know, I don't know if >> EJB's man. You know, I don't know if >> EJB's man. You know, I don't know if EJB's actually succeeded or not. I EJB's actually succeeded or not. I EJB's actually succeeded or not. I remember a hype around that at the time, remember a hype around that at the time, remember a hype around that at the time, but I do remember but I do remember but I do remember >> I don't think they worked I think they >> I don't think they worked I think they >> I don't think they worked I think they it was too heavy and it was like I don't it was too heavy and it was like I don't it was too heavy and it was like I don't know everyone was so focused on you know know everyone was so focused on you know know everyone was so focused on you know Microsoft had built activex controls and Microsoft had built activex controls and Microsoft had built activex controls and this componentizing com and all that this componentizing com and all that this componentizing com and all that stuff and so stuff and so stuff and so >> really well had come out with Java beans >> really well had come out with Java beans >> really well had come out with Java beans which were useful and like an object to

which were useful and like an object to which were useful and like an object to drag and drop and stuff and it's like drag and drop and stuff and it's like drag and drop and stuff and it's like what's the server side version of a Java what's the server side version of a Java what's the server side version of a Java bean? bean? bean? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> EJB baby. >> EJB baby. >> EJB baby. >> Yeah. But yes, I definitely remember >> Yeah. But yes, I definitely remember >> Yeah. But yes, I definitely remember them building the Java web server. I them building the Java web server. I them building the Java web server. I remember writing articles. I used to remember writing articles. I used to remember writing articles. I used to write articles for Java Developers write articles for Java Developers write articles for Java Developers Journal back in the late 90s. And Journal back in the late 90s. And Journal back in the late 90s. And >> we were all like very much younger. >> we were all like very much younger. >> we were all like very much younger. >> We were younger >> We were younger >> We were younger >> back then, but uh yeah, I I got to see >> back then, but uh yeah, I I got to see >> back then, but uh yeah, I I got to see all the stuff evolve in the back end, all the stuff evolve in the back end, all the stuff evolve in the back end, you know, like literally the genesis of you know, like literally the genesis of you know, like literally the genesis of all this stuff. And no, there wasn't the all this stuff. And no, there wasn't the all this stuff. And no, there wasn't the level of intrusion, but the Patriot Act level of intrusion, but the Patriot Act level of intrusion, but the Patriot Act changed a lot of stuff. And then the changed a lot of stuff. And then the changed a lot of stuff. And then the thing that was really disruptive was um thing that was really disruptive was um thing that was really disruptive was um oh what was the company that um Google oh what was the company that um Google oh what was the company that um Google acquired acquired acquired um it it was B yeah I can't think um it it was B yeah I can't think um it it was B yeah I can't think >> but um it it'll come to me that that >> but um it it'll come to me that that >> but um it it'll come to me that that changed everything. It wasn't Google's changed everything. It wasn't Google's changed everything. It wasn't Google's innovation that actually uh made them innovation that actually uh made them innovation that actually uh made them become you know what they are today. It become you know what they are today. It become you know what they are today. It was this company that they uh acquired was this company that they uh acquired was this company that they uh acquired that already had you know uh you know uh that already had you know uh you know uh that already had you know uh you know uh tentacles in everyone's um huh I I I tentacles in everyone's um huh I I I tentacles in everyone's um huh I I I can't remember the name of the company.

can't remember the name of the company. can't remember the name of the company. It starts with a D. It starts with a D. It starts with a D. >> But anyways that was the acquisition >> But anyways that was the acquisition >> But anyways that was the acquisition that changed everything. It wasn't that changed everything. It wasn't that changed everything. It wasn't YouTube. It wasn't all these Yeah. And YouTube. It wasn't all these Yeah. And YouTube. It wasn't all these Yeah. And so if you you so if you you so if you you >> lived uh that history, you you saw what >> lived uh that history, you you saw what >> lived uh that history, you you saw what um what was really pivotal uh timeline um what was really pivotal uh timeline um what was really pivotal uh timeline and you know the prevailing narrative, and you know the prevailing narrative, and you know the prevailing narrative, you know, again, if you weren't there, you know, again, if you weren't there, you know, again, if you weren't there, you don't know. you don't know. you don't know. >> If you tuned into the prevail prevailing >> If you tuned into the prevail prevailing >> If you tuned into the prevail prevailing narrative, you actually came up with the narrative, you actually came up with the narrative, you actually came up with the wrong conclusions. That's not how it wrong conclusions. That's not how it wrong conclusions. That's not how it happened. and that's not what catapulted happened. and that's not what catapulted happened. and that's not what catapulted some of these companies to the next some of these companies to the next some of these companies to the next level. And so that was a cool thing level. And so that was a cool thing level. And so that was a cool thing about being in the the U Bay Area at the about being in the the U Bay Area at the about being in the the U Bay Area at the time. And I guess that's one of the time. And I guess that's one of the time. And I guess that's one of the reasons why I'm so privacy sensitive. I reasons why I'm so privacy sensitive. I reasons why I'm so privacy sensitive. I I saw what these guys were doing and it I saw what these guys were doing and it I saw what these guys were doing and it I I was kind of like that kid. It didn't I I was kind of like that kid. It didn't I I was kind of like that kid. It didn't sit well with me. You know what I'm sit well with me. You know what I'm sit well with me. You know what I'm saying? And so I was never a big fan of saying? And so I was never a big fan of saying? And so I was never a big fan of Meta or Facebook uh through the course Meta or Facebook uh through the course Meta or Facebook uh through the course of what they were doing. Um, I actually of what they were doing. Um, I actually of what they were doing. Um, I actually had a touch point with them. They had a touch point with them. They had a touch point with them. They couldn't figure out some stuff that we couldn't figure out some stuff that we couldn't figure out some stuff that we had figured out eight years before.

had figured out eight years before. had figured out eight years before. Uh, Uh, Uh, >> it's funny you say that. I have a >> it's funny you say that. I have a >> it's funny you say that. I have a longtime friend who's a lawyer. longtime friend who's a lawyer. longtime friend who's a lawyer. >> And he never got on any of the social >> And he never got on any of the social >> And he never got on any of the social media platforms ever. And I remember a media platforms ever. And I remember a media platforms ever. And I remember a long time ago. He's like, he goes, long time ago. He's like, he goes, long time ago. He's like, he goes, "Yeah, I know all our friends are on "Yeah, I know all our friends are on "Yeah, I know all our friends are on there and everything. I'm losing touch there and everything. I'm losing touch there and everything. I'm losing touch with the high school." He goes, "I think with the high school." He goes, "I think with the high school." He goes, "I think one day you're going to regret that one day you're going to regret that one day you're going to regret that you're on these platforms and giving all you're on these platforms and giving all you're on these platforms and giving all this information this information this information >> freely." And I'm like, "What? Come on, >> freely." And I'm like, "What? Come on, >> freely." And I'm like, "What? Come on, man. Maybe he was right. man. Maybe he was right. man. Maybe he was right. >> Everybody's doing it. Everybody, all the >> Everybody's doing it. Everybody, all the >> Everybody's doing it. Everybody, all the cool cool cool >> Everybody's doing it. >> Everybody's doing it. >> Everybody's doing it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, do you remember >> Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, do you remember >> Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, do you remember where you were on 911? What was going where you were on 911? What was going where you were on 911? What was going on, man? on, man? on, man? >> Absolutely. I 100% remember where I was >> Absolutely. I 100% remember where I was >> Absolutely. I 100% remember where I was 911. I was in New York. 911. I was in New York. 911. I was in New York. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Really? Wow. >> Really? Wow. >> Really? Wow. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> Tell me about it. Uh, yeah, I was I was >> Tell me about it. Uh, yeah, I was I was >> Tell me about it. Uh, yeah, I was I was bugging out. I mean, uh, there was I bugging out. I mean, uh, there was I bugging out. I mean, uh, there was I mean, mean, mean, I I think when when you when you look at I I think when when you when you look at I I think when when you when you look at it retrospectively, you say, you know, it retrospectively, you say, you know, it retrospectively, you say, you know, wow, you know, if I had been there, what wow, you know, if I had been there, what wow, you know, if I had been there, what would I have done?

would I have done? would I have done? >> And literally, you're just frozen >> And literally, you're just frozen >> And literally, you're just frozen because you don't know what to do. I because you don't know what to do. I because you don't know what to do. I mean, you're you're looking at mean, you're you're looking at mean, you're you're looking at self-preservation. You're looking at self-preservation. You're looking at self-preservation. You're looking at those that are already impacted, right? those that are already impacted, right? those that are already impacted, right? >> And you ask yourself, what is it? What >> And you ask yourself, what is it? What >> And you ask yourself, what is it? What can I do? can I do? can I do? >> You saw people just jumping into action. >> You saw people just jumping into action. >> You saw people just jumping into action. Um, and uh, yeah, you know, I I was Um, and uh, yeah, you know, I I was Um, and uh, yeah, you know, I I was like, you know, where can I where can I like, you know, where can I where can I like, you know, where can I where can I lend a hand? Where can I help? Where can lend a hand? Where can I help? Where can lend a hand? Where can I help? Where can I, you know, what can I do? Because you I, you know, what can I do? Because you I, you know, what can I do? Because you weren't flying anywhere for a while. weren't flying anywhere for a while. weren't flying anywhere for a while. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> No. And no one knew what was going on. >> No. And no one knew what was going on. >> No. And no one knew what was going on. Exactly. I mean, that Exactly. I mean, that Exactly. I mean, that retrospect was amazing. retrospect was amazing. retrospect was amazing. >> Nobody knew what was going on or what >> Nobody knew what was going on or what >> Nobody knew what was going on or what was happening next. And that was was happening next. And that was was happening next. And that was probably the probably the probably the >> That's right. We didn't know if that was >> That's right. We didn't know if that was >> That's right. We didn't know if that was just the first wave just the first wave just the first wave >> of an attack, you know, like is gonna >> of an attack, you know, like is gonna >> of an attack, you know, like is gonna keep coming and tomorrow and the next keep coming and tomorrow and the next keep coming and tomorrow and the next day, you know. day, you know. day, you know. >> Y >> Y >> Y >> I was I was coming from Hempstead. >> I was I was coming from Hempstead. >> I was I was coming from Hempstead. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> And uh and I mean it it was just like >> And uh and I mean it it was just like >> And uh and I mean it it was just like >> Long Island. >> Long Island. >> Long Island. >> Every It's like the world just stopped >> Every It's like the world just stopped >> Every It's like the world just stopped for a for a moment and then everything for a for a moment and then everything for a for a moment and then everything was just chaos.

was just chaos. was just chaos. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it's weird because I was >> Yeah. Yeah. And it's weird because I was >> Yeah. Yeah. And it's weird because I was uh you know I found myself in that in uh you know I found myself in that in uh you know I found myself in that in that situation but prior to that I found that situation but prior to that I found that situation but prior to that I found myself in LMA Pria during the big myself in LMA Pria during the big myself in LMA Pria during the big earthquake in earthquake in earthquake in >> ' 89. >> ' 89. >> ' 89. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, I guess the lesson is don't hang >> Well, I guess the lesson is don't hang >> Well, I guess the lesson is don't hang out with Bill. [laughter] >> Stay it's it's wild. I mean I'm like I'm >> Stay it's it's wild. I mean I'm like I'm like how did I wind up in these places? like how did I wind up in these places? like how did I wind up in these places? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, my parents were uh um on the Well, my parents were uh um on the Well, my parents were uh um on the towers. Um they were taking a tour the towers. Um they were taking a tour the towers. Um they were taking a tour the day before. day before. day before. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> The towers got hit and then they headed >> The towers got hit and then they headed >> The towers got hit and then they headed down to uh DC and they were there when down to uh DC and they were there when down to uh DC and they were there when um um um >> taking it to the Pentagon. >> taking it to the Pentagon. >> taking it to the Pentagon. >> Yeah. They were there when the Pentagon >> Yeah. They were there when the Pentagon >> Yeah. They were there when the Pentagon got hit. Not at the Pentagon, but they got hit. Not at the Pentagon, but they got hit. Not at the Pentagon, but they were in were in were in >> uh Yeah. And I freaked out. And you >> uh Yeah. And I freaked out. And you >> uh Yeah. And I freaked out. And you know, I remember people being just know, I remember people being just know, I remember people being just stranded because all the airlines were stranded because all the airlines were stranded because all the airlines were grounded.

grounded. grounded. >> Cars. Yeah. Yeah. To get home from New >> Cars. Yeah. Yeah. To get home from New >> Cars. Yeah. Yeah. To get home from New York to California. I mean, it's like York to California. I mean, it's like York to California. I mean, it's like >> people were renting cars and driving >> people were renting cars and driving >> people were renting cars and driving cross country practically. cross country practically. cross country practically. >> Yeah. For a couple of weeks, right? That >> Yeah. For a couple of weeks, right? That >> Yeah. For a couple of weeks, right? That was in it was for a long time that they was in it was for a long time that they was in it was for a long time that they shut everything down. And u shut everything down. And u shut everything down. And u >> Yeah. By the way, Double Click, that was >> Yeah. By the way, Double Click, that was >> Yeah. By the way, Double Click, that was um that was Google's largest um that was Google's largest um that was Google's largest acquisition. They purchased it um a year acquisition. They purchased it um a year acquisition. They purchased it um a year after they purchased YouTube and they after they purchased YouTube and they after they purchased YouTube and they paid three times as much for it. paid three times as much for it. paid three times as much for it. >> That's how important that acquisition >> That's how important that acquisition >> That's how important that acquisition was. was. was. >> Double click. Was that the affiliate >> Double click. Was that the affiliate >> Double click. Was that the affiliate marketing thing or is that something marketing thing or is that something marketing thing or is that something else? I'm trying to remember. else? I'm trying to remember. else? I'm trying to remember. >> No, no, no. Um they yeah they basically >> No, no, no. Um they yeah they basically >> No, no, no. Um they yeah they basically had like a online ad um had like a online ad um had like a online ad um >> uh it it think of it as like literally >> uh it it think of it as like literally >> uh it it think of it as like literally agent that sits on every single web agent that sits on every single web agent that sits on every single web server and then it counts. server and then it counts. server and then it counts. >> It's double click how >> It's double click how >> It's double click how >> it's double click how Google created >> it's double click how Google created >> it's double click how Google created Adwords. Adwords. Adwords. >> Yeah. And then >> Yeah. And then >> Yeah. And then >> Adwords is how they make all their >> Adwords is how they make all their >> Adwords is how they make all their money. money. money. >> Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. >> Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. >> Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. >> So they didn't develop that themselves.

>> So they didn't develop that themselves. >> So they didn't develop that themselves. they acquired. But if you look at the they acquired. But if you look at the they acquired. But if you look at the the portfolio acquisitions, man, it's the portfolio acquisitions, man, it's the portfolio acquisitions, man, it's genius. That was it wasn't their own genius. That was it wasn't their own genius. That was it wasn't their own innovation. innovation. innovation. >> You know, everyone says, "Oh, they're >> You know, everyone says, "Oh, they're >> You know, everyone says, "Oh, they're such an innovative company." No, they're such an innovative company." No, they're such an innovative company." No, they're they have some great I bankers working they have some great I bankers working they have some great I bankers working with them over time, you know, to with them over time, you know, to with them over time, you know, to acquire all these companies. And then acquire all these companies. And then acquire all these companies. And then Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But none of, you know, hardly any of >> But none of, you know, hardly any of >> But none of, you know, hardly any of this stuff is related to freaking the this stuff is related to freaking the this stuff is related to freaking the the consumer. It's all for the the consumer. It's all for the the consumer. It's all for the advertisers, advertisers, advertisers, >> right? Yeah. >> right? Yeah. >> right? Yeah. >> People like to say, "Hey, you know." >> People like to say, "Hey, you know." >> People like to say, "Hey, you know." >> Yeah. You know, the weirdest thing for >> Yeah. You know, the weirdest thing for >> Yeah. You know, the weirdest thing for me. me. me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The weirdest thing for me on that >> The weirdest thing for me on that >> The weirdest thing for me on that morning is at the time I'm like at this morning is at the time I'm like at this morning is at the time I'm like at this uh uh uh >> energy trading company. Um and >> energy trading company. Um and >> energy trading company. Um and [clears throat] so you you know you like [clears throat] so you you know you like [clears throat] so you you know you like it's like stock brokers. it's like stock brokers. it's like stock brokers. >> They got all their screens and >> They got all their screens and >> They got all their screens and everything like that. And so and I everything like that. And so and I everything like that. And so and I posted about this but um posted about this but um posted about this but um >> our traders were literally you know some >> our traders were literally you know some >> our traders were literally you know some trading stocks or commodities. You have trading stocks or commodities. You have trading stocks or commodities. You have this little thing called a squawk box, this little thing called a squawk box, this little thing called a squawk box, like a walkie-talkie. You can talk to like a walkie-talkie. You can talk to like a walkie-talkie. You can talk to people in different places.

people in different places. people in different places. >> And man, we were on the squawk box with >> And man, we were on the squawk box with >> And man, we were on the squawk box with guys at Caner Fitzgerald at the very top guys at Caner Fitzgerald at the very top guys at Caner Fitzgerald at the very top of tower, the north tower, you know, uh of tower, the north tower, you know, uh of tower, the north tower, you know, uh I think they had like five floors above I think they had like five floors above I think they had like five floors above 101, I think. And um and so we're 101, I think. And um and so we're 101, I think. And um and so we're literally just cuz it was just another literally just cuz it was just another literally just cuz it was just another day, right, starting out and commodities day, right, starting out and commodities day, right, starting out and commodities trading and stuff like that. And so on a trading and stuff like that. And so on a trading and stuff like that. And so on a squad box with guys and you can imagine squad box with guys and you can imagine squad box with guys and you can imagine the horror of live conversations and you the horror of live conversations and you the horror of live conversations and you you know the deal. Anybody who was above you know the deal. Anybody who was above you know the deal. Anybody who was above where the first plane hit in the the where the first plane hit in the the where the first plane hit in the the North Tower, they didn't get out. You North Tower, they didn't get out. You North Tower, they didn't get out. You know, know, know, >> there was a a barrier of hell uh >> there was a a barrier of hell uh >> there was a a barrier of hell uh preventing them to go downstairs, right? preventing them to go downstairs, right? preventing them to go downstairs, right? And so that was it was that was really And so that was it was that was really And so that was it was that was really real. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. real. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. real. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. >> Hearing voices, people talking, you >> Hearing voices, people talking, you >> Hearing voices, people talking, you know. know. know. >> Yeah. That's >> Yeah. That's >> Yeah. That's >> they just came to work, right, to do >> they just came to work, right, to do >> they just came to work, right, to do their thing and they, you know, wrong their thing and they, you know, wrong their thing and they, you know, wrong place, wrong time. You never know.

place, wrong time. You never know. place, wrong time. You never know. Yeah. Scary stuff. Yeah. Scary stuff. Yeah. Scary stuff. >> For sure. Yeah. >> For sure. Yeah. >> For sure. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Was that the moment of silence? I think >> Was that the moment of silence? I think that was just that was that was just that was that was just that was >> I think I mean anytime anytime 911 comes >> I think I mean anytime anytime 911 comes >> I think I mean anytime anytime 911 comes up it's like automatic moment of up it's like automatic moment of up it's like automatic moment of silence. silence. silence. >> It's gonna happen at some point. That >> It's gonna happen at some point. That >> It's gonna happen at some point. That was the moment. was the moment. was the moment. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You also hear since then you hear about >> You also hear since then you hear about >> You also hear since then you hear about all the subsequent all the the first all the subsequent all the the first all the subsequent all the the first responders all the people in the area responders all the people in the area responders all the people in the area who have gotten cancer and died. who have gotten cancer and died. who have gotten cancer and died. >> Yeah. Yeah. the air quality, you know, >> Yeah. Yeah. the air quality, you know, >> Yeah. Yeah. the air quality, you know, there's this whole thing expose now on there's this whole thing expose now on there's this whole thing expose now on the air quality and kind of lower the air quality and kind of lower the air quality and kind of lower Manhattan and how it was really very Manhattan and how it was really very Manhattan and how it was really very unsafe to be around that and, you know, unsafe to be around that and, you know, unsafe to be around that and, you know, not good communication on that. So, not good communication on that. So, not good communication on that. So, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> effects of that, especially for her >> effects of that, especially for her >> effects of that, especially for her sons, but other folks that were just sons, but other folks that were just sons, but other folks that were just kind of in the area that just kind of in the area that just kind of in the area that just >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh, >> Uh, >> Uh, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I saw on TV they said there's like 15 >> I saw on TV they said there's like 15 >> I saw on TV they said there's like 15 different schools right in that different schools right in that different schools right in that vicinity. I mean, I don't know. It vicinity. I mean, I don't know. It vicinity. I mean, I don't know. It wasn't that long after where they just wasn't that long after where they just wasn't that long after where they just were sending kids back to school and were sending kids back to school and were sending kids back to school and saying, "Oh, it's okay. The air is clear saying, "Oh, it's okay. The air is clear saying, "Oh, it's okay. The air is clear or whatever, you know."

or whatever, you know." or whatever, you know." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um >> Um >> Um I know. I know. I know. >> Tough. Yeah. >> Tough. Yeah. >> Tough. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's tough stuff because Yeah. >> Yeah. It's tough stuff because Yeah. >> Yeah. It's tough stuff because Yeah. Yeah. You're right. You think about the Yeah. You're right. You think about the Yeah. You're right. You think about the almost 3,000 people dying. And now I've almost 3,000 people dying. And now I've almost 3,000 people dying. And now I've seen numbers, you know, over 40, 50 up seen numbers, you know, over 40, 50 up seen numbers, you know, over 40, 50 up towards 60,000 people have gotten all towards 60,000 people have gotten all towards 60,000 people have gotten all these diseases and cancers and stuff these diseases and cancers and stuff these diseases and cancers and stuff like that from inhaling all that toxic, like that from inhaling all that toxic, like that from inhaling all that toxic, you know, air, the the dust cloud, all you know, air, the the dust cloud, all you know, air, the the dust cloud, all that. that. that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Yeah. [clears throat] Well, Well, Well, >> cuz every kind of bad thing you can >> cuz every kind of bad thing you can >> cuz every kind of bad thing you can imagine was in that dust cloud, you imagine was in that dust cloud, you imagine was in that dust cloud, you know, that you're not supposed to know, that you're not supposed to know, that you're not supposed to breathe, right? I mean one I would say breathe, right? I mean one I would say breathe, right? I mean one I would say that you know out of that we did we we that you know out of that we did we we that you know out of that we did we we know there has been a lot more serious know there has been a lot more serious know there has been a lot more serious and heightened levels of security and uh and heightened levels of security and uh and heightened levels of security and uh layers of security you know against layers of security you know against layers of security you know against these kinds of things since then. these kinds of things since then. these kinds of things since then. >> Yeah >> Yeah >> Yeah >> in that sense you know that's good you >> in that sense you know that's good you >> in that sense you know that's good you know you know you mentioned Patriot Act know you know you mentioned Patriot Act know you know you mentioned Patriot Act >> we sort of went overboard with >> we sort of went overboard with >> we sort of went overboard with surveillance surveillance surveillance >> in that regard as well now combined with >> in that regard as well now combined with >> in that regard as well now combined with AI we're sort of in a [clears throat] AI we're sort of in a [clears throat] AI we're sort of in a [clears throat] really bad cocktail. Um, really bad cocktail. Um, really bad cocktail. Um, >> yeah, that's a bad cocktail.

>> yeah, that's a bad cocktail. >> yeah, that's a bad cocktail. >> Bad cocktail. But, um, >> Bad cocktail. But, um, >> Bad cocktail. But, um, >> that's a good point. But you're right. >> that's a good point. But you're right. >> that's a good point. But you're right. You can in the moment it's easy for us You can in the moment it's easy for us You can in the moment it's easy for us to, you know, throw darts at different to, you know, throw darts at different to, you know, throw darts at different decisions. decisions. decisions. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> But in the moment, everybody was like, >> But in the moment, everybody was like, >> But in the moment, everybody was like, uh, like I remember there was some kind uh, like I remember there was some kind uh, like I remember there was some kind of hole like are you willing to give up of hole like are you willing to give up of hole like are you willing to give up some of your freedoms and stuff like some of your freedoms and stuff like some of your freedoms and stuff like that in exchange for security? And it that in exchange for security? And it that in exchange for security? And it was like 65 68% of the Americans said was like 65 68% of the Americans said was like 65 68% of the Americans said yes, I will. yes, I will. yes, I will. >> Yeah, I know. Yeah, it seems like >> Yeah, I know. Yeah, it seems like >> Yeah, I know. Yeah, it seems like >> in the moment in that moment, >> in the moment in that moment, >> in the moment in that moment, >> you know, in that moment. >> you know, in that moment. >> you know, in that moment. >> Well, remember we couldn't take liquids >> Well, remember we couldn't take liquids >> Well, remember we couldn't take liquids on the plane because of the shoe guy for on the plane because of the shoe guy for on the plane because of the shoe guy for like like like >> the shoe bomber. I remember that. Yeah. >> the shoe bomber. I remember that. Yeah. >> the shoe bomber. I remember that. Yeah. >> I had to take our shoes off. >> I had to take our shoes off. >> I had to take our shoes off. >> Take your shoes off because you might >> Take your shoes off because you might >> Take your shoes off because you might have a bomb in your shoes. Yeah. have a bomb in your shoes. Yeah. have a bomb in your shoes. Yeah. >> One guy. That one guy. >> One guy. That one guy. >> One guy. That one guy. >> One. Yeah. Right. >> One. Yeah. Right. >> One. Yeah. Right. >> All it takes is one. >> All it takes is one. >> All it takes is one. >> Yeah. True. that. >> Yeah. True. that. >> Yeah. True. that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Boy, >> Boy, >> Boy, >> that's the slippery slope, right? And so >> that's the slippery slope, right? And so >> that's the slippery slope, right? And so that's that's the thing. And it makes that's that's the thing. And it makes that's that's the thing. And it makes you wonder how how courageous are you wonder how how courageous are you wonder how how courageous are people. Well, obviously not. I mean the people. Well, obviously not. I mean the people. Well, obviously not. I mean the freedoms are the way I looked at it that freedoms are the way I looked at it that freedoms are the way I looked at it that whole time was um freedoms were um we we whole time was um freedoms were um we we whole time was um freedoms were um we we we got these freedoms um because of the we got these freedoms um because of the we got these freedoms um because of the sacrifices of a lot of people many sacrifices of a lot of people many sacrifices of a lot of people many people who suffered uh before who didn't people who suffered uh before who didn't people who suffered uh before who didn't have freedoms and um you know um

have freedoms and um you know um have freedoms and um you know um I thought it was a slap in their face I thought it was a slap in their face I thought it was a slap in their face man I mean It's like as a citiz citiz man I mean It's like as a citiz citiz man I mean It's like as a citiz citiz citizenry sometimes you got to man up citizenry sometimes you got to man up citizenry sometimes you got to man up you know it's like hey look no we we you know it's like hey look no we we you know it's like hey look no we we value the freedoms and the liberties value the freedoms and the liberties value the freedoms and the liberties that we have and we will say no and um that we have and we will say no and um that we have and we will say no and um and we'll figure out another way of and we'll figure out another way of and we'll figure out another way of making adjustments and and and making adjustments and and and making adjustments and and and continuing our lives and uh but uh yeah continuing our lives and uh but uh yeah continuing our lives and uh but uh yeah you know you think about it man you know you know you think about it man you know you know you think about it man you know now we've we've backslided so much now we've we've backslided so much now we've we've backslided so much >> uh we have no I mean Debbie says it all >> uh we have no I mean Debbie says it all >> uh we have no I mean Debbie says it all the time we have no privacy we have no the time we have no privacy we have no the time we have no privacy we have no rights we have no these were all rights we have no these were all rights we have no these were all forfeited during that period because forfeited during that period because forfeited during that period because nobody had the courage to stand up and nobody had the courage to stand up and nobody had the courage to stand up and say these are important and then we're say these are important and then we're say these are important and then we're going to preserve these things these going to preserve these things these going to preserve these things these rights rights rights because of the sacrifices of people because of the sacrifices of people because of the sacrifices of people before who fought for the freedom right before who fought for the freedom right before who fought for the freedom right they spilled the blood that afforded us they spilled the blood that afforded us they spilled the blood that afforded us to have these freedoms and now you're to have these freedoms and now you're to have these freedoms and now you're just going to relinquish it because the just going to relinquish it because the just going to relinquish it because the media freak. Like this kid gets up on TV media freak. Like this kid gets up on TV media freak. Like this kid gets up on TV and freaks everyone out. And that's why and freaks everyone out. And that's why and freaks everyone out. And that's why I posted, "Isn't this a disservice? Cuz I posted, "Isn't this a disservice? Cuz I posted, "Isn't this a disservice? Cuz this doesn't help." And then next thing this doesn't help." And then next thing this doesn't help." And then next thing you know, you're going to have everybody you know, you're going to have everybody you know, you're going to have everybody going around freaking out and giving up going around freaking out and giving up going around freaking out and giving up their liberties to protect themselves their liberties to protect themselves their liberties to protect themselves when that's really not what you you when that's really not what you you when that's really not what you you should be doing.

should be doing. should be doing. >> The opposite actually. >> The opposite actually. >> The opposite actually. >> Yeah. You should be do fighting for your >> Yeah. You should be do fighting for your >> Yeah. You should be do fighting for your freedoms and that means you know you freedoms and that means you know you freedoms and that means you know you know espousing privacy first principles, know espousing privacy first principles, know espousing privacy first principles, security first principles and then doing security first principles and then doing security first principles and then doing all these things that are completely the all these things that are completely the all these things that are completely the last bullet item on every single deck last bullet item on every single deck last bullet item on every single deck out there, [laughter] out there, [laughter] out there, [laughter] >> right? >> right? >> right? >> That's >> That's >> That's Yeah, Bill earlier we were Leonard was Yeah, Bill earlier we were Leonard was Yeah, Bill earlier we were Leonard was talking about that the guy who would on talking about that the guy who would on talking about that the guy who would on Twitter the other night and then he's Twitter the other night and then he's Twitter the other night and then he's been on TV about been on TV about been on TV about >> the anthropic guy. Um, >> the anthropic guy. Um, >> the anthropic guy. Um, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What's your take on that? >> What's your take on that? >> What's your take on that? >> At the end of the day, I don't think >> At the end of the day, I don't think >> At the end of the day, I don't think it's I don't think I I don't know. I it's I don't think I I don't know. I it's I don't think I I don't know. I don't know, L. I don't think it's the don't know, L. I don't think it's the don't know, L. I don't think it's the courage. I don't think that people courage. I don't think that people courage. I don't think that people lacked the courage. I think they lacked lacked the courage. I think they lacked lacked the courage. I think they lacked the intelligence. the intelligence. the intelligence. >> Not the guy Definitely not the guys that >> Not the guy Definitely not the guys that >> Not the guy Definitely not the guys that went up the towers and tried to save went up the towers and tried to save went up the towers and tried to save lives. No, definitely, you know, but lives. No, definitely, you know, but lives. No, definitely, you know, but what about everybody else who was just what about everybody else who was just what about everybody else who was just watching on TV and then watching on TV and then watching on TV and then >> I mean, it's but but but that's what >> I mean, it's but but but that's what >> I mean, it's but but but that's what we've we've become. we become that we've we've become. we become that we've we've become. we become that society that wants to be the observer society that wants to be the observer society that wants to be the observer much more than the actor.

much more than the actor. much more than the actor. >> Um, you know, I mean, when you when you >> Um, you know, I mean, when you when you >> Um, you know, I mean, when you when you look at those those types of things, look at those those types of things, look at those those types of things, again, it's there's there's uh, you again, it's there's there's uh, you again, it's there's there's uh, you know, you you see that from the military know, you you see that from the military know, you you see that from the military side, you know, there was a time when side, you know, there was a time when side, you know, there was a time when you you were in high school and you got you you were in high school and you got you you were in high school and you got out of high school and you were like, out of high school and you were like, out of high school and you were like, I'm going into the military. I'm going into the military. I'm going into the military. >> And then all of a sudden there was this >> And then all of a sudden there was this >> And then all of a sudden there was this whole push back about why would you go whole push back about why would you go whole push back about why would you go into the military? We're over there into the military? We're over there into the military? We're over there fighting fights that aren't even ours. fighting fights that aren't even ours. fighting fights that aren't even ours. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And you know, and it's and it and the >> And you know, and it's and it and the >> And you know, and it's and it and the the general premise, of course, is the general premise, of course, is the general premise, of course, is protecting the freedoms of the United protecting the freedoms of the United protecting the freedoms of the United States of America. States of America. States of America. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But it it's not about the courage. It's >> But it it's not about the courage. It's >> But it it's not about the courage. It's now the intelligence that's coming into now the intelligence that's coming into now the intelligence that's coming into it saying, "Well, wait a minute. I have it saying, "Well, wait a minute. I have it saying, "Well, wait a minute. I have a different set of beliefs." It's it it a different set of beliefs." It's it it a different set of beliefs." It's it it ties itself to those privacy and cyber ties itself to those privacy and cyber ties itself to those privacy and cyber statements. You know, if I don't know, statements. You know, if I don't know, statements. You know, if I don't know, I'm going to give up everything that I I'm going to give up everything that I I'm going to give up everything that I have until I know. And then when I know, have until I know. And then when I know, have until I know. And then when I know, I've got a decision to make. I've got a decision to make. I've got a decision to make. >> Yeah. But but that that's your belief >> Yeah. But but that that's your belief >> Yeah. But but that that's your belief system that you're compromising. You system that you're compromising. You system that you're compromising. You know, if you believe in that belief know, if you believe in that belief know, if you believe in that belief system from system from system from >> from your culture, quite honestly, >> from your culture, quite honestly, >> from your culture, quite honestly, >> that's a cultural thing. And so as soon >> that's a cultural thing. And so as soon >> that's a cultural thing. And so as soon as you start to get into this pattern of as you start to get into this pattern of as you start to get into this pattern of just giving up the values, then yeah, just giving up the values, then yeah, just giving up the values, then yeah, the society changes and you're no the society changes and you're no the society changes and you're no longer, longer, longer, you know, you're not no longer what you you know, you're not no longer what you you know, you're not no longer what you thought you were before. And you know, thought you were before. And you know, thought you were before. And you know, we've changed so much since 9/11, right?

we've changed so much since 9/11, right? we've changed so much since 9/11, right? >> We're we're very different country now. >> We're we're very different country now. >> We're we're very different country now. Um then we were, you know, unified. Now Um then we were, you know, unified. Now Um then we were, you know, unified. Now not so much. Um, not so much. Um, not so much. Um, >> well, it's it's I mean that that in and >> well, it's it's I mean that that in and >> well, it's it's I mean that that in and of itself, if you look at that, the of itself, if you look at that, the of itself, if you look at that, the divisive impact that that had [snorts] divisive impact that that had [snorts] divisive impact that that had [snorts] from our existing society was from our existing society was from our existing society was significant. significant. significant. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Truly, if you were traveling somewhere >> Truly, if you were traveling somewhere >> Truly, if you were traveling somewhere and someone looked a certain way, and someone looked a certain way, and someone looked a certain way, don't tell me that that that those don't tell me that that that those don't tell me that that that those questions didn't run through your head questions didn't run through your head questions didn't run through your head because it ran through everyone's head. because it ran through everyone's head. because it ran through everyone's head. >> Although, I think it did that before >> Although, I think it did that before >> Although, I think it did that before 9/11. But I mean, you know, the amount 9/11. But I mean, you know, the amount 9/11. But I mean, you know, the amount >> it did, but it was not as severe. >> it did, but it was not as severe. >> it did, but it was not as severe. >> We were having hijackings back in the >> We were having hijackings back in the >> We were having hijackings back in the 70s and, you know, 80s and 70s and, you know, 80s and 70s and, you know, 80s and >> that's fair. Yep. >> that's fair. Yep. >> that's fair. Yep. >> Yeah. But you're right. The volume got >> Yeah. But you're right. The volume got >> Yeah. But you're right. The volume got turned up to 11. turned up to 11. turned up to 11. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Awareness like you're saying, people >> Awareness like you're saying, people >> Awareness like you're saying, people became more because, you know, at that became more because, you know, at that became more because, you know, at that time the internet time the internet time the internet >> proliferated information and media like >> proliferated information and media like >> proliferated information and media like never before, right? Created alternative never before, right? Created alternative never before, right? Created alternative channels and stuff like that. So, channels and stuff like that. So, channels and stuff like that. So, >> yeah. um >> yeah. um >> yeah. um >> or created channels of news that aligned >> or created channels of news that aligned >> or created channels of news that aligned with your pre-existing views.

with your pre-existing views. with your pre-existing views. >> Yeah. Well, we have >> Yeah. Well, we have >> Yeah. Well, we have >> back to the algorithms, >> back to the algorithms, >> back to the algorithms, >> channels, and then algorithms that are >> channels, and then algorithms that are >> channels, and then algorithms that are going to reinforce what you believe and going to reinforce what you believe and going to reinforce what you believe and then then then >> make sure you see other people who >> make sure you see other people who >> make sure you see other people who believe the way you do. And then you believe the way you do. And then you believe the way you do. And then you guys are all self-reinforcing and yeah, guys are all self-reinforcing and yeah, guys are all self-reinforcing and yeah, >> but now you have to ask, you know, >> but now you have to ask, you know, >> but now you have to ask, you know, anytime you see any news, what no matter anytime you see any news, what no matter anytime you see any news, what no matter what channel it comes through, whether what channel it comes through, whether what channel it comes through, whether it's a gray channel, whether it's a it's a gray channel, whether it's a it's a gray channel, whether it's a generally public channel, who's generally public channel, who's generally public channel, who's controlling the narrative? controlling the narrative? controlling the narrative? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, where did it come from? >> Well, where did it come from? >> Well, where did it come from? >> Yeah. Where did it come from? There's a >> Yeah. Where did it come from? There's a >> Yeah. Where did it come from? There's a lot of reposting of lot of reposting of lot of reposting of >> Yeah, we're sitting there talking about >> Yeah, we're sitting there talking about >> Yeah, we're sitting there talking about how this changed and people giving, you how this changed and people giving, you how this changed and people giving, you know, I was wondering if people giving know, I was wondering if people giving know, I was wondering if people giving up their own agency. Uh, you know, if up their own agency. Uh, you know, if up their own agency. Uh, you know, if you've got 320, 50, whatever million you've got 320, 50, whatever million you've got 320, 50, whatever million people in the US these days, and have people in the US these days, and have people in the US these days, and have they lost their agency? they lost their agency? they lost their agency? back to back to the the guy on Twitter back to back to the the guy on Twitter back to back to the the guy on Twitter the other night, you know, the other night, you know, the other night, you know, >> and Rick Bilada >> and Rick Bilada >> and Rick Bilada >> going and I've seen people say, "How is >> going and I've seen people say, "How is >> going and I've seen people say, "How is it that we're letting about what is it it that we're letting about what is it it that we're letting about what is it like five different guys in Silicon like five different guys in Silicon like five different guys in Silicon Valley create an entire new future for Valley create an entire new future for Valley create an entire new future for America and the world?" And and I hear America and the world?" And and I hear America and the world?" And and I hear people going, "I didn't sign up for people going, "I didn't sign up for people going, "I didn't sign up for this. I didn't sign off on this.

this. I didn't sign off on this. this. I didn't sign off on this. >> I didn't take the pill. >> I didn't take the pill. >> I didn't take the pill. >> I didn't take the pill." And I But a >> I didn't take the pill." And I But a >> I didn't take the pill." And I But a [laughter] whole lot a whole lot of [laughter] whole lot a whole lot of [laughter] whole lot a whole lot of people are like, "Have I have have have people are like, "Have I have have have people are like, "Have I have have have we all lost our agency?" No one said, we all lost our agency?" No one said, we all lost our agency?" No one said, "Yeah, sure. Let's just have mass "Yeah, sure. Let's just have mass "Yeah, sure. Let's just have mass unemployment in the coming years and unemployment in the coming years and unemployment in the coming years and let's just, you know, turn everything let's just, you know, turn everything let's just, you know, turn everything upside down." How does that happen? How upside down." How does that happen? How upside down." How does that happen? How does how does a handful of people get to does how does a handful of people get to does how does a handful of people get to do that? And and they come on TV and do that? And and they come on TV and do that? And and they come on TV and they go, "Please regulate us." They go they go, "Please regulate us." They go they go, "Please regulate us." They go to Senate. They go to the senators. to Senate. They go to the senators. to Senate. They go to the senators. Governors, you got to stop this cuz I Governors, you got to stop this cuz I Governors, you got to stop this cuz I can't help myself. I can't help but make can't help myself. I can't help but make can't help myself. I can't help but make this AI more powerful and smarter. I this AI more powerful and smarter. I this AI more powerful and smarter. I can't stop myself because China's not can't stop myself because China's not can't stop myself because China's not stopping. So, we got to go. Please stopping. So, we got to go. Please stopping. So, we got to go. Please regulate us. And the Senate, the regulate us. And the Senate, the regulate us. And the Senate, the Congress hasn't done anything. They Congress hasn't done anything. They Congress hasn't done anything. They don't regulate them. They haven't done don't regulate them. They haven't done don't regulate them. They haven't done anything. anything. anything. >> No. Well, you know, they they >> No. Well, you know, they they >> No. Well, you know, they they >> So, we're all Thelma and Louise driving >> So, we're all Thelma and Louise driving >> So, we're all Thelma and Louise driving our car full speed ahead towards a our car full speed ahead towards a our car full speed ahead towards a possible cliff. Maybe, maybe not. But possible cliff. Maybe, maybe not. But possible cliff. Maybe, maybe not. But how come where are the voices of how come where are the voices of how come where are the voices of Americans in all this? You know, Americans in all this? You know, Americans in all this? You know, >> well, you know, I mean, >> well, you know, I mean, >> well, you know, I mean, >> they said they said we're on board with >> they said they said we're on board with >> they said they said we're on board with curing cancer and solving really hard curing cancer and solving really hard curing cancer and solving really hard problems, not on board with all the problems, not on board with all the problems, not on board with all the other stuff that's happening.

other stuff that's happening. other stuff that's happening. >> Well, none of that had anything to do >> Well, none of that had anything to do >> Well, none of that had anything to do with uh you know, AI solving the with uh you know, AI solving the with uh you know, AI solving the problem. AI is just a tool. Yeah. Where problem. AI is just a tool. Yeah. Where problem. AI is just a tool. Yeah. Where where is the cure to cancer after four where is the cure to cancer after four where is the cure to cancer after four years, right? Where is that? How come AI years, right? Where is that? How come AI years, right? Where is that? How come AI AI can hack pretty much every single AI can hack pretty much every single AI can hack pretty much every single system in the world at massive scale now system in the world at massive scale now system in the world at massive scale now at at viral velocity and it can't cure at at viral velocity and it can't cure at at viral velocity and it can't cure cancer with all the information that we cancer with all the information that we cancer with all the information that we have and all the you know HPC compute have and all the you know HPC compute have and all the you know HPC compute that can be focused on that can be focused on that can be focused on >> there was some breakthrough on celiac >> there was some breakthrough on celiac >> there was some breakthrough on celiac disease though just to disease though just to disease though just to >> oh that's good that's good that's good >> oh that's good that's good that's good >> oh that's good that's good that's good no I agree I agree but I think that's no I agree I agree but I think that's no I agree I agree but I think that's already I mean you probably saw the already I mean you probably saw the already I mean you probably saw the other day whatever the what is it Astra other day whatever the what is it Astra other day whatever the what is it Astra whatever the new OpenAI one that's where whatever the new OpenAI one that's where whatever the new OpenAI one that's where they're all saying it's AGI um broke the they're all saying it's AGI um broke the they're all saying it's AGI um broke the 43 levels of capture or stuff to prove 43 levels of capture or stuff to prove 43 levels of capture or stuff to prove that are human that are human that are human >> and people are like some people are like >> and people are like some people are like >> and people are like some people are like wow that's wow that's wow that's >> all right but security people might go >> all right but security people might go >> all right but security people might go oh all those levels to increase the oh all those levels to increase the oh all those levels to increase the harder levels to prove that you're a harder levels to prove that you're a harder levels to prove that you're a human now the AI can prove it's a human human now the AI can prove it's a human human now the AI can prove it's a human which to get through barriers right which to get through barriers right which to get through barriers right >> you know I mean the capture stuff was >> you know I mean the capture stuff was >> you know I mean the capture stuff was kind of dumb to begin with, but kind of dumb to begin with, but kind of dumb to begin with, but >> Right. But the theme is it's a success >> Right. But the theme is it's a success >> Right. But the theme is it's a success >> for simple bots, right? Yeah.

>> for simple bots, right? Yeah. >> for simple bots, right? Yeah. >> Yeah. It was designed for very simple >> Yeah. It was designed for very simple >> Yeah. It was designed for very simple stuff. But no, it's it's but the thing stuff. But no, it's it's but the thing stuff. But no, it's it's but the thing is there's a lack of leadership. Um, you is there's a lack of leadership. Um, you is there's a lack of leadership. Um, you know, in in providing safeguards for know, in in providing safeguards for know, in in providing safeguards for individual freedoms. individual freedoms. individual freedoms. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like you said, Leonard, there's a lack >> Like you said, Leonard, there's a lack >> Like you said, Leonard, there's a lack of leadership because there's a fear of of leadership because there's a fear of of leadership because there's a fear of losing. You know, this is back to the losing. You know, this is back to the losing. You know, this is back to the nuclear metaphor, right? the remember nuclear metaphor, right? the remember nuclear metaphor, right? the remember the space race or the the space race or the the space race or the >> arms race we're going to you know if we >> arms race we're going to you know if we >> arms race we're going to you know if we slow down then we're Russia's going to slow down then we're Russia's going to slow down then we're Russia's going to beat us and if we you know and this beat us and if we you know and this beat us and if we you know and this drives really really you know drives really really you know drives really really you know detrimental behavior so I'm hoping that detrimental behavior so I'm hoping that detrimental behavior so I'm hoping that there's some leadership somewhere there's some leadership somewhere there's some leadership somewhere >> that um that can step up and and work >> that um that can step up and and work >> that um that can step up and and work cooperatively across the globe you know cooperatively across the globe you know cooperatively across the globe you know >> this is all wishful thinking on my part >> this is all wishful thinking on my part >> this is all wishful thinking on my part >> yeah yeah yeah >> yeah yeah yeah >> yeah yeah yeah >> and maybe maybe we need you know maybe >> and maybe maybe we need you know maybe >> and maybe maybe we need you know maybe maybe you know, there's there's going to maybe you know, there's there's going to maybe you know, there's there's going to be there's definitely going to be some be there's definitely going to be some be there's definitely going to be some incidents and some problems and maybe incidents and some problems and maybe incidents and some problems and maybe that'll shake things up where where that'll shake things up where where that'll shake things up where where people demand more accountability. I people demand more accountability. I people demand more accountability. I don't know. don't know. don't know. >> Yeah, but you know what? Um, they can >> Yeah, but you know what? Um, they can >> Yeah, but you know what? Um, they can just listen to IoT coffee talk and get a just listen to IoT coffee talk and get a just listen to IoT coffee talk and get a sense of what some of the sense of what some of the sense of what some of the >> the um I think they should be I'm not >> the um I think they should be I'm not >> the um I think they should be I'm not joking. I'm not joking. You know, a lot joking. I'm not joking. You know, a lot joking. I'm not joking. You know, a lot of stuff that we talk about, no one of stuff that we talk about, no one of stuff that we talk about, no one freaking talks about. And that's coming freaking talks about. And that's coming freaking talks about. And that's coming from me. I see a lot of [ __ ] [laughter] from me. I see a lot of [ __ ] [laughter] from me. I see a lot of [ __ ] [laughter] I I I am authority on this crap. You I I I am authority on this crap. You I I I am authority on this crap. You know, people can say, "Oh, Leonard, you know, people can say, "Oh, Leonard, you know, people can say, "Oh, Leonard, you don't know what you're talking about."

don't know what you're talking about." don't know what you're talking about." [ __ ] I know what I'm talking about. [ __ ] I know what I'm talking about. [ __ ] I know what I'm talking about. People do not talk about this enough, People do not talk about this enough, People do not talk about this enough, >> Leonard. No one ever says that. No one >> Leonard. No one ever says that. No one >> Leonard. No one ever says that. No one ever says that to your face, Leonard. ever says that to your face, Leonard. ever says that to your face, Leonard. [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Come say it to my face. >> Come say it to my face. >> Come say it to my face. >> Come say it to my face. >> Come say it to my face. >> Come say it to my face. >> Have you guys been seeing some like >> Have you guys been seeing some like >> Have you guys been seeing some like video clips? video clips? video clips? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Andrew Yang from like 10 years ago where >> Andrew Yang from like 10 years ago where >> Andrew Yang from like 10 years ago where he's talking about all this stuff when he's talking about all this stuff when he's talking about all this stuff when he was running for president in the he was running for president in the he was running for president in the primaries in the Democratic primaries. primaries in the Democratic primaries. primaries in the Democratic primaries. he was running and he was and he was he was running and he was and he was he was running and he was and he was talking about this. He goes, "This is talking about this. He goes, "This is talking about this. He goes, "This is going to happen. This is real." And he going to happen. This is real." And he going to happen. This is real." And he was really pointed and I think some was really pointed and I think some was really pointed and I think some people must have thought you're a weirdo people must have thought you're a weirdo people must have thought you're a weirdo or you're some weird tech guy, you know? or you're some weird tech guy, you know? or you're some weird tech guy, you know? And and now I'm seeing his lips and it's And and now I'm seeing his lips and it's And and now I'm seeing his lips and it's like, I told you, [laughter] like, I told you, [laughter] like, I told you, [laughter] >> shit's coming, you know, and I told you >> shit's coming, you know, and I told you >> shit's coming, you know, and I told you years ago and I said, "All these other years ago and I said, "All these other years ago and I said, "All these other problems you're talking about that you problems you're talking about that you problems you're talking about that you think are so important are going to pale think are so important are going to pale think are so important are going to pale in comparison to the storm that's in comparison to the storm that's in comparison to the storm that's coming." But I don't think I think where coming." But I don't think I think where coming." But I don't think I think where Andrew Yang didn't get it right is that Andrew Yang didn't get it right is that Andrew Yang didn't get it right is that his focus was about people losing their his focus was about people losing their his focus was about people losing their jobs to AI. And I don't think jobs to AI. And I don't think jobs to AI. And I don't think >> the data is not there that people are >> the data is not there that people are >> the data is not there that people are losing jobs to AI, but the issue is losing jobs to AI, but the issue is losing jobs to AI, but the issue is people are losing their uh agency to AI, people are losing their uh agency to AI, people are losing their uh agency to AI, right?

right? right? >> That's a more actually a more even more >> That's a more actually a more even more >> That's a more actually a more even more existential issue. Well, you know, it's existential issue. Well, you know, it's existential issue. Well, you know, it's becoming, you know, here's the thing becoming, you know, here's the thing becoming, you know, here's the thing that everyone should consider is that that everyone should consider is that that everyone should consider is that there is really a a battle of resources there is really a a battle of resources there is really a a battle of resources happening between humanity and AI. So happening between humanity and AI. So happening between humanity and AI. So much capital is being dumped into much capital is being dumped into much capital is being dumped into building the infrastructure for quote building the infrastructure for quote building the infrastructure for quote unquote AI. Um, for what, right? Um, unquote AI. Um, for what, right? Um, unquote AI. Um, for what, right? Um, is it really going to make our lives is it really going to make our lives is it really going to make our lives better, right? better, right? better, right? That is the big question in aggregate in That is the big question in aggregate in That is the big question in aggregate in aggregate or is it going to be used as a aggregate or is it going to be used as a aggregate or is it going to be used as a tool weaponized and then you know um and tool weaponized and then you know um and tool weaponized and then you know um and as there's more and more income as there's more and more income as there's more and more income inequality and we have more people inequality and we have more people inequality and we have more people amassing massive fortunes amassing massive fortunes amassing massive fortunes what happens when you de democratize a what happens when you de democratize a what happens when you de democratize a capability like that? Uh what happens to capability like that? Uh what happens to capability like that? Uh what happens to society? What happens to economy? what society? What happens to economy? what society? What happens to economy? what happens to you know our our lives our happens to you know our our lives our happens to you know our our lives our careers our work you know careers our work you know careers our work you know >> and it's much more than >> and it's much more than >> and it's much more than >> the good news is that the uh there is >> the good news is that the uh there is >> the good news is that the uh there is now Oh no sorry go ahead now Oh no sorry go ahead now Oh no sorry go ahead >> go ahead >> go ahead >> go ahead >> no I was going to say I think one of the >> no I was going to say I think one of the >> no I was going to say I think one of the good things that's happening with at good things that's happening with at good things that's happening with at least people are realizing that these least people are realizing that these least people are realizing that these data centers need to at least be data centers need to at least be data centers need to at least be self-reliant like they need to self-reliant like they need to self-reliant like they need to >> you know not suck the power from the >> you know not suck the power from the >> you know not suck the power from the grid and not suck the water from the grid and not suck the water from the grid and not suck the water from the ground and you know they need at least ground and you know they need at least ground and you know they need at least be come in here. And now the problem is be come in here. And now the problem is be come in here. And now the problem is and I think I heard this the other day and I think I heard this the other day and I think I heard this the other day on was like Scott Galloway or something.

on was like Scott Galloway or something. on was like Scott Galloway or something. It's the same thing. It's like you know It's the same thing. It's like you know It's the same thing. It's like you know these u hyperscalers are going around these u hyperscalers are going around these u hyperscalers are going around cutting deals with governors you know in cutting deals with governors you know in cutting deals with governors you know in the US to plop their data center around the US to plop their data center around the US to plop their data center around and you know if if 48 out of 50 say no and you know if if 48 out of 50 say no and you know if if 48 out of 50 say no there's still going to be two governors there's still going to be two governors there's still going to be two governors that say yeah sure why not plop it in that say yeah sure why not plop it in that say yeah sure why not plop it in here. And uh and that's that's not good. here. And uh and that's that's not good. here. And uh and that's that's not good. And that's where again, no federal And that's where again, no federal And that's where again, no federal oversight, no regulatory leadership, oversight, no regulatory leadership, oversight, no regulatory leadership, just, you know, let the market, you just, you know, let the market, you just, you know, let the market, you know, rule, right? And just and that's know, rule, right? And just and that's know, rule, right? And just and that's where we're going to start seeing these where we're going to start seeing these where we're going to start seeing these data centers plop down probably in, you data centers plop down probably in, you data centers plop down probably in, you know, poorer communities, you know, know, poorer communities, you know, know, poorer communities, you know, communities that that need the the money communities that that need the the money communities that that need the the money and um and people will get the short end and um and people will get the short end and um and people will get the short end of the stick and they'll be living, you of the stick and they'll be living, you of the stick and they'll be living, you know, instead of next to the train know, instead of next to the train know, instead of next to the train tracks, they'll be living next to a 100 tracks, they'll be living next to a 100 tracks, they'll be living next to a 100 decel data center that's going 24/7. decel data center that's going 24/7. decel data center that's going 24/7. Um and too bad. So Um and too bad. So Um and too bad. So >> yeah, so >> yeah, so >> yeah, so >> the microclimate. >> the microclimate. >> the microclimate. >> Yeah. Yeah. And so it's they're starting >> Yeah. Yeah. And so it's they're starting >> Yeah. Yeah. And so it's they're starting to get push back, but the problem is to get push back, but the problem is to get push back, but the problem is it's now like states are like, you know, it's now like states are like, you know, it's now like states are like, you know, betting against each other to um you betting against each other to um you betting against each other to um you know, try to woo these hyperscalers. So know, try to woo these hyperscalers. So know, try to woo these hyperscalers. So even if Josh Shapiro says this in even if Josh Shapiro says this in even if Josh Shapiro says this in Pennsylvania, somebody else is going to Pennsylvania, somebody else is going to Pennsylvania, somebody else is going to say, "Yeah, I'll take it over here." And say, "Yeah, I'll take it over here." And say, "Yeah, I'll take it over here." And again, no, there's no leadership or again, no, there's no leadership or again, no, there's no leadership or coordination on any of this stuff. And coordination on any of this stuff. And coordination on any of this stuff. And it's all, you know, LZ Farair, you know, it's all, you know, LZ Farair, you know, it's all, you know, LZ Farair, you know, the invisible hand of Adam Smith to the the invisible hand of Adam Smith to the the invisible hand of Adam Smith to the rescue. So that's that's the that's the rescue. So that's that's the that's the rescue. So that's that's the that's the big problem with the data centers. Now big problem with the data centers. Now big problem with the data centers. Now that being said, what I think is going that being said, what I think is going that being said, what I think is going to happen now is because there's so much to happen now is because there's so much to happen now is because there's so much push back on data centers. The cost of push back on data centers. The cost of push back on data centers. The cost of the data centers are going to go up. You the data centers are going to go up. You the data centers are going to go up. You know, the cost to build and maintain

know, the cost to build and maintain know, the cost to build and maintain data centers is going to increase, which data centers is going to increase, which data centers is going to increase, which means means means >> your your the cost to run the data >> your your the cost to run the data >> your your the cost to run the data center is going to be higher, which center is going to be higher, which center is going to be higher, which means the margins are going to get means the margins are going to get means the margins are going to get squeezed. I mean, it's it's going to be squeezed. I mean, it's it's going to be squeezed. I mean, it's it's going to be a a multiplier effect. So only the a a multiplier effect. So only the a a multiplier effect. So only the companies that really have robust companies that really have robust companies that really have robust business models on AI will actually be business models on AI will actually be business models on AI will actually be able to kind of survive this. And the able to kind of survive this. And the able to kind of survive this. And the ones that are, you know, betting on the ones that are, you know, betting on the ones that are, you know, betting on the future without a really good business future without a really good business future without a really good business model for AI will probably suffer model for AI will probably suffer model for AI will probably suffer greatly. And uh and I wouldn't be greatly. And uh and I wouldn't be greatly. And uh and I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them, you know, surprised to see some of them, you know, surprised to see some of them, you know, just like any market like there, you just like any market like there, you just like any market like there, you know, back in the there used to be a lot know, back in the there used to be a lot know, back in the there used to be a lot of automakers, you know, in the US, 20 of automakers, you know, in the US, 20 of automakers, you know, in the US, 20 25 automakers. Doesn't mean the car is 25 automakers. Doesn't mean the car is 25 automakers. Doesn't mean the car is bad. The car is a good idea. It's just bad. The car is a good idea. It's just bad. The car is a good idea. It's just that you can't have that many companies. that you can't have that many companies. that you can't have that many companies. So there will be companies that go under So there will be companies that go under So there will be companies that go under for this. It doesn't mean it's a bad for this. It doesn't mean it's a bad for this. It doesn't mean it's a bad car. The car is a bad deal. car. The car is a bad deal. car. The car is a bad deal. the market's going to shake it out. So, the market's going to shake it out. So, the market's going to shake it out. So, >> depends on what level. Um, I think the >> depends on what level. Um, I think the >> depends on what level. Um, I think the economics are changing. Um, a lot of the economics are changing. Um, a lot of the economics are changing. Um, a lot of the assumptions assumptions assumptions have shifted so much in the last two have shifted so much in the last two have shifted so much in the last two years. You know, what people thought an years. You know, what people thought an years. You know, what people thought an AI data center was going to be looking AI data center was going to be looking AI data center was going to be looking like um two years ago and the ground like um two years ago and the ground like um two years ago and the ground truths today of where [clears throat] truths today of where [clears throat] truths today of where [clears throat] compute architectures, cooling, power, compute architectures, cooling, power, compute architectures, cooling, power, all that stuff are going, it's totally all that stuff are going, it's totally all that stuff are going, it's totally different. And then now like you have a different. And then now like you have a different. And then now like you have a lot of these guys now backing off and lot of these guys now backing off and lot of these guys now backing off and then putting like little disclaimers then putting like little disclaimers then putting like little disclaimers about their claims of zero water about their claims of zero water about their claims of zero water consumption and blah blah blah. Guess consumption and blah blah blah. Guess consumption and blah blah blah. Guess what?

what? what? >> Depends on the situation or conditions >> Depends on the situation or conditions >> Depends on the situation or conditions or whatever, right? And yeah, it goes or whatever, right? And yeah, it goes or whatever, right? And yeah, it goes back to what we actually mentioned here back to what we actually mentioned here back to what we actually mentioned here on IoT coffee talk that these claims on IoT coffee talk that these claims on IoT coffee talk that these claims that uh data centers don't use any water that uh data centers don't use any water that uh data centers don't use any water or achieved a you know huge uh huge or achieved a you know huge uh huge or achieved a you know huge uh huge order of magnitude th those are like order of magnitude th those are like order of magnitude th those are like corner cases [laughter] corner cases [laughter] corner cases [laughter] >> right >> right >> right >> it's still going to consume a lot of >> it's still going to consume a lot of >> it's still going to consume a lot of water um because these cooling systems water um because these cooling systems water um because these cooling systems and the whole whole and the whole whole and the whole whole you know science of uh thermal ALS HVAC you know science of uh thermal ALS HVAC you know science of uh thermal ALS HVAC is very complicated. I I've started to is very complicated. I I've started to is very complicated. I I've started to look into a lot more and it's like holy look into a lot more and it's like holy look into a lot more and it's like holy crap. crap. crap. >> Yeah. Whole different science in that >> Yeah. Whole different science in that >> Yeah. Whole different science in that chips. chips. chips. >> The good news is Edge AI doesn't require >> The good news is Edge AI doesn't require >> The good news is Edge AI doesn't require you know all of that water and cooling. you know all of that water and cooling. you know all of that water and cooling. >> Oh right. We tied it. We pulled it in. >> Oh right. We tied it. We pulled it in. >> Oh right. We tied it. We pulled it in. >> Boom. >> Boom. >> Boom. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> Boom. >> Boom. >> Boom. >> Boom. >> Boom. >> Boom. >> I mean but isn't isn't isn't all of this >> I mean but isn't isn't isn't all of this >> I mean but isn't isn't isn't all of this like circular right? I mean, so Pete, to like circular right? I mean, so Pete, to like circular right? I mean, so Pete, to your point, they're they're looking at your point, they're they're looking at your point, they're they're looking at alternative energy, you know, to alternative energy, you know, to alternative energy, you know, to >> well, self-powered, you know, they have >> well, self-powered, you know, they have >> well, self-powered, you know, they have they'll have to create their own power they'll have to create their own power they'll have to create their own power plant to power their own data center.

plant to power their own data center. plant to power their own data center. >> Yes. So, so we're back to the micro grid >> Yes. So, so we're back to the micro grid >> Yes. So, so we're back to the micro grid conversation. conversation. conversation. >> It's a micro grid. Yeah. >> It's a micro grid. Yeah. >> It's a micro grid. Yeah. >> So, we're back to the micro grid nuclear >> So, we're back to the micro grid nuclear >> So, we're back to the micro grid nuclear reactor. remind you that if they are reactor. remind you that if they are reactor. remind you that if they are anywhere there is an investorowned anywhere there is an investorowned anywhere there is an investorowned utility, if there's an IOU involved utility, if there's an IOU involved utility, if there's an IOU involved there, trust and believe they got their there, trust and believe they got their there, trust and believe they got their fingers in the pot. fingers in the pot. fingers in the pot. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> There's So, you're not going to be, you >> There's So, you're not going to be, you >> There's So, you're not going to be, you know, oh, we're going to put up solar know, oh, we're going to put up solar know, oh, we're going to put up solar over here. We're going to wind over over here. We're going to wind over over here. We're going to wind over here. We're going to do that because uh here. We're going to do that because uh here. We're going to do that because uh that IU is going to say, hey, hey, hey, that IU is going to say, hey, hey, hey, that IU is going to say, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Uh you can't do any of that. hey, hey. Uh you can't do any of that. hey, hey. Uh you can't do any of that. You will work with us You will work with us You will work with us >> to make energy from them. Yeah. Yeah. >> to make energy from them. Yeah. Yeah. >> to make energy from them. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. It's going to be No, I agree. It's going to be No, I agree. It's going to be complicated politics for sure. complicated politics for sure. complicated politics for sure. >> Oh, it's it's and 100%. And then and >> Oh, it's it's and 100%. And then and >> Oh, it's it's and 100%. And then and then the thing about is like who then the thing about is like who then the thing about is like who benefits? None of this is done for us benefits? None of this is done for us benefits? None of this is done for us and no one's talking about what the and no one's talking about what the and no one's talking about what the hell's going in those data. hell's going in those data. hell's going in those data. >> Pilot users co-pilot users benefit. >> Pilot users co-pilot users benefit. >> Pilot users co-pilot users benefit. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Oh my god. C-pilot. That's a punchline >> Oh my god. C-pilot. That's a punchline >> Oh my god. C-pilot. That's a punchline like Zoom. like Zoom. like Zoom. >> I [laughter] mean, is is it is there is >> I [laughter] mean, is is it is there is >> I [laughter] mean, is is it is there is there is there much omniverse being there is there much omniverse being there is there much omniverse being built today? I mean, I don't think so.

built today? I mean, I don't think so. built today? I mean, I don't think so. It's just It's just It's just >> Oh, yeah. That's a good good point, man. >> Oh, yeah. That's a good good point, man. >> Oh, yeah. That's a good good point, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, I mean, the proliferation I >> You know, I mean, the proliferation I >> You know, I mean, the proliferation I I've watched it. I mean, I I just I've I've watched it. I mean, I I just I've I've watched it. I mean, I I just I've been too busy doing some other stuff, been too busy doing some other stuff, been too busy doing some other stuff, but I've I've been seeing this but I've I've been seeing this but I've I've been seeing this proliferation of [ __ ] proliferation of [ __ ] proliferation of [ __ ] Everybody's got a digital twin. I think Everybody's got a digital twin. I think Everybody's got a digital twin. I think Oprah's handing them out like gifts. you Oprah's handing them out like gifts. you Oprah's handing them out like gifts. you got a digital twin and you get a digital got a digital twin and you get a digital got a digital twin and you get a digital twin, twin, twin, >> you know, and they're showing these >> you know, and they're showing these >> you know, and they're showing these mapping things and I'm like, get the mapping things and I'm like, get the mapping things and I'm like, get the [ __ ] out of here with that [ __ ] [ __ ] out of here with that [ __ ] [ __ ] out of here with that [ __ ] What problem are you solving? It's the What problem are you solving? It's the What problem are you solving? It's the same thing that happens on the energy same thing that happens on the energy same thing that happens on the energy side. Nobody's doing anything about it. side. Nobody's doing anything about it. side. Nobody's doing anything about it. They're not looking to reduce your They're not looking to reduce your They're not looking to reduce your energy consumption. They're looking to energy consumption. They're looking to energy consumption. They're looking to fund their their projects and talk about fund their their projects and talk about fund their their projects and talk about all these cool things that they're doing all these cool things that they're doing all these cool things that they're doing with AI, which they can't talk about. with AI, which they can't talk about. with AI, which they can't talk about. Yeah. You know, and it's funny that you Yeah. You know, and it's funny that you Yeah. You know, and it's funny that you say that because I've been looking at say that because I've been looking at say that because I've been looking at this comm stuff like voice AI and you this comm stuff like voice AI and you this comm stuff like voice AI and you know how number one after all these know how number one after all these know how number one after all these years and you know AI in voice is not a years and you know AI in voice is not a years and you know AI in voice is not a new thing right it's funny how squishy new thing right it's funny how squishy new thing right it's funny how squishy all of this stuff is but more all of this stuff is but more all of this stuff is but more you know I I think more importantly how you know I I think more importantly how you know I I think more importantly how difficult it is to actually infuse AI difficult it is to actually infuse AI difficult it is to actually infuse AI and AI will not be the core that's the and AI will not be the core that's the and AI will not be the core that's the thing it it's all built on on thing it it's all built on on thing it it's all built on on connectivity and connectivity emphas connectivity and connectivity emphas connectivity and connectivity emphas infrastructure infrastructure infrastructure that's essential and then the layers that's essential and then the layers that's essential and then the layers above it gets above it gets above it gets more and more convoluted and what's more and more convoluted and what's more and more convoluted and what's essential is the trust piece at the

essential is the trust piece at the essential is the trust piece at the connectivity level that can translate up connectivity level that can translate up connectivity level that can translate up the stack. That's like the big missing the stack. That's like the big missing the stack. That's like the big missing piece and the AI stuff. People are just piece and the AI stuff. People are just piece and the AI stuff. People are just like throwing, you know, darts with with like throwing, you know, darts with with like throwing, you know, darts with with blindfolds on trying to figure out if blindfolds on trying to figure out if blindfolds on trying to figure out if they can hit the bullseye. And, you they can hit the bullseye. And, you they can hit the bullseye. And, you know, [sighs] know, [sighs] know, [sighs] it it things are not where these it it things are not where these it it things are not where these narratives suggest, especially on the narratives suggest, especially on the narratives suggest, especially on the ROI argument for the end markets or the ROI argument for the end markets or the ROI argument for the end markets or the end user. And then, you know, I just end user. And then, you know, I just end user. And then, you know, I just posted the most dangerous person for posted the most dangerous person for posted the most dangerous person for your uh your uh enterprise today, your your uh your uh enterprise today, your your uh your uh enterprise today, your organization is the AI evangelist. organization is the AI evangelist. organization is the AI evangelist. And I wrote about that a year and a half And I wrote about that a year and a half And I wrote about that a year and a half ago. I said, "Be careful about these ago. I said, "Be careful about these ago. I said, "Be careful about these guys because they usually statistically guys because they usually statistically guys because they usually statistically are the person people who least know are the person people who least know are the person people who least know about any of this stuff." [laughter] about any of this stuff." [laughter] about any of this stuff." [laughter] >> The chief AI officer. Chief AI officer. >> The chief AI officer. Chief AI officer. >> The chief AI officer. Chief AI officer. >> They don't know [ __ ] >> They don't know [ __ ] >> They don't know [ __ ] >> Rob, that was the job you were going to >> Rob, that was the job you were going to >> Rob, that was the job you were going to get with Nvidia. Chief AI offic get with Nvidia. Chief AI offic get with Nvidia. Chief AI offic >> I was hoping. Yeah.

>> I was hoping. Yeah. >> I was hoping. Yeah. >> I'm [laughter] convenient right here. >> I'm [laughter] convenient right here. >> I'm [laughter] convenient right here. Those evangelists, you need to check Those evangelists, you need to check Those evangelists, you need to check their asses. Okay. Don't let them go their asses. Okay. Don't let them go their asses. Okay. Don't let them go >> check yourself. >> check yourself. >> check yourself. Wreck yourself. Yeah. Wreck yourself. Yeah. Wreck yourself. Yeah. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> I mean, you have boards just looking at >> I mean, you have boards just looking at >> I mean, you have boards just looking at boards and executive teams just looking boards and executive teams just looking boards and executive teams just looking at this shiny object with no clue about at this shiny object with no clue about at this shiny object with no clue about what what what >> Yeah. What happens? Oh, I think there's >> Yeah. What happens? Oh, I think there's >> Yeah. What happens? Oh, I think there's now there's like a bit of a there's a now there's like a bit of a there's a now there's like a bit of a there's a big, you know, token hangover and people big, you know, token hangover and people big, you know, token hangover and people are now the, you know, now the bills are now the, you know, now the bills are now the, you know, now the bills come due on token stuff. I think come due on token stuff. I think come due on token stuff. I think >> that's a different thing. >> that's a different thing. >> that's a different thing. >> No, but they're looking at, you know, >> No, but they're looking at, you know, >> No, but they're looking at, you know, the cost. Like I signed up as an the cost. Like I signed up as an the cost. Like I signed up as an experiment. I signed up for with an AI experiment. I signed up for with an AI experiment. I signed up for with an AI ad agency because I wanted to run some ad agency because I wanted to run some ad agency because I wanted to run some ads. So, I thought, okay, it was like 50 ads. So, I thought, okay, it was like 50 ads. So, I thought, okay, it was like 50 bucks a month and you tell her what you bucks a month and you tell her what you bucks a month and you tell her what you want. I said, okay, well, I have an want. I said, okay, well, I have an want. I said, okay, well, I have an event in Taipei, by the way. Hi, Taipei. event in Taipei, by the way. Hi, Taipei. event in Taipei, by the way. Hi, Taipei. October. October. October. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> What? >> What? >> What? >> Got to be there. >> Got to be there. >> Got to be there. >> And so, I said, let me run some ads for >> And so, I said, let me run some ads for >> And so, I said, let me run some ads for this event. here's the event page and this event. here's the event page and this event. here's the event page and go, you know, and I said I want it go, you know, and I said I want it go, you know, and I said I want it across Meta and Google and whatever. So, across Meta and Google and whatever. So, across Meta and Google and whatever. So, like six hours later, I'm still setting like six hours later, I'm still setting like six hours later, I'm still setting this thing up and and then I ran out of this thing up and and then I ran out of this thing up and and then I ran out of tokens. They're like, you got to tokens. They're like, you got to tokens. They're like, you got to upgrade. You got to go to the next level upgrade. You got to go to the next level upgrade. You got to go to the next level because they ran out of because they ran out of because they ran out of >> I'm like, okay, so now I'm paying a >> I'm like, okay, so now I'm paying a >> I'm like, okay, so now I'm paying a hundred bucks. Okay, so then it's like hundred bucks. Okay, so then it's like hundred bucks. Okay, so then it's like another couple of hours of like, well, another couple of hours of like, well, another couple of hours of like, well, this the Tik Tok's not working and they this the Tik Tok's not working and they this the Tik Tok's not working and they authenticate blah blah blah. Are you authenticate blah blah blah. Are you authenticate blah blah blah. Are you going to need to upgrade again? They going to need to upgrade again? They going to need to upgrade again? They rent out of tokens, you know? And I'm rent out of tokens, you know? And I'm rent out of tokens, you know? And I'm like, "Okay, so the $49 ad agency thing like, "Okay, so the $49 ad agency thing like, "Okay, so the $49 ad agency thing is now like a $400 a month thing that is now like a $400 a month thing that is now like a $400 a month thing that runs basically one Google I got one runs basically one Google I got one runs basically one Google I got one Google ad out of it, one Google search Google ad out of it, one Google search Google ad out of it, one Google search ad, which could have taken me five ad, which could have taken me five ad, which could have taken me five minutes if I did it myself."

minutes if I did it myself." minutes if I did it myself." >> So, you know, the cost of this stuff is >> So, you know, the cost of this stuff is >> So, you know, the cost of this stuff is ridiculous. ridiculous. ridiculous. The adoption is crazy. The adoption is crazy. The adoption is crazy. >> You're not the only one that you you see >> You're not the only one that you you see >> You're not the only one that you you see this with coding, you know, the vibe this with coding, you know, the vibe this with coding, you know, the vibe coding. People are backing off of that, coding. People are backing off of that, coding. People are backing off of that, >> you know, they're not. And then you know >> you know, they're not. And then you know >> you know, they're not. And then you know and again the the evangelists are the and again the the evangelists are the and again the the evangelists are the guys who are the jokers. They go well guys who are the jokers. They go well guys who are the jokers. They go well you know it was it was so surprising I I you know it was it was so surprising I I you know it was it was so surprising I I I told my marketing manager go and vibe I told my marketing manager go and vibe I told my marketing manager go and vibe code this vibe code whatever code this vibe code whatever code this vibe code whatever >> we just replaced salesforce.com over the >> we just replaced salesforce.com over the >> we just replaced salesforce.com over the afternoon. afternoon. afternoon. >> Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] >> Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] >> Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] Hey, but but but listen, Leonard, go to Hey, but but but listen, Leonard, go to Hey, but but but listen, Leonard, go to my go to my LinkedIn and I've got 25 my go to my LinkedIn and I've got 25 my go to my LinkedIn and I've got 25 claude prompts for you that will teach claude prompts for you that will teach claude prompts for you that will teach you how to do everything that you'll you how to do everything that you'll you how to do everything that you'll ever want to do for the next 15 years. ever want to do for the next 15 years. ever want to do for the next 15 years. That's right. That's right. That's right. >> And I guarantee you I'll make money. >> And I guarantee you I'll make money. >> And I guarantee you I'll make money. >> There you go. Your business is broken >> There you go. Your business is broken >> There you go. Your business is broken and here's how to fix it. and here's how to fix it. and here's how to fix it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. So, we got to change >> Okay. All right. So, we got to change >> Okay. All right. So, we got to change the subject here before we run out of the subject here before we run out of the subject here before we run out of time. The biggest thing that actually time. The biggest thing that actually time. The biggest thing that actually happened this week was Apple. Apple had happened this week was Apple. Apple had happened this week was Apple. Apple had their event and so we have the new their event and so we have the new their event and so we have the new Surface Duo.

Surface Duo. Surface Duo. [laughter] [gasps] [gasps] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, as I mentioned, Rob, as I >> Well, as I mentioned, Rob, as I >> Well, as I mentioned, Rob, as I mentioned, the surf the good news about mentioned, the surf the good news about mentioned, the surf the good news about the Surface Duo is that no one's ever the Surface Duo is that no one's ever the Surface Duo is that no one's ever heard of it or remembers it, including heard of it or remembers it, including heard of it or remembers it, including anyone at Apple. So, it's perfectly fine anyone at Apple. So, it's perfectly fine anyone at Apple. So, it's perfectly fine to use the word Duo. to use the word Duo. to use the word Duo. >> I was, you know, I remember watching I >> I was, you know, I remember watching I >> I was, you know, I remember watching I was like, "Oh my god." You know, it was like, "Oh my god." You know, it was like, "Oh my god." You know, it would have been better if Panos Pen had would have been better if Panos Pen had would have been better if Panos Pen had walked out on stage at the Apple event walked out on stage at the Apple event walked out on stage at the Apple event to launch it. You know, to launch it. You know, to launch it. You know, >> that's been nice. >> that's been nice. >> that's been nice. >> This is that foldable phone thing. >> This is that foldable phone thing. >> This is that foldable phone thing. >> Yeah, the phone. >> Yeah, the phone. >> Yeah, the phone. >> I mean, Apple wants to be Samsung so >> I mean, Apple wants to be Samsung so >> I mean, Apple wants to be Samsung so damn bad. Why the hell don't they just damn bad. Why the hell don't they just damn bad. Why the hell don't they just get with Android and just go, you know get with Android and just go, you know get with Android and just go, you know what? Let's let's collaborate here what? Let's let's collaborate here what? Let's let's collaborate here because you guys are [ __ ] so far because you guys are [ __ ] so far because you guys are [ __ ] so far ahead of us. ahead of us. ahead of us. >> They want to Here's my prediction. >> They want to Here's my prediction. >> They want to Here's my prediction. They're going to sell more duos in the They're going to sell more duos in the They're going to sell more duos in the first year than the sum total of 7 years first year than the sum total of 7 years first year than the sum total of 7 years of Samsung foldables. of Samsung foldables. of Samsung foldables. >> You're probably right. Actually, here's >> You're probably right. Actually, here's >> You're probably right. Actually, here's the weird thing, people. You think it's the weird thing, people. You think it's the weird thing, people. You think it's about the tech or the quality or the about the tech or the quality or the about the tech or the quality or the whatever. It's an intangible. Apple has whatever. It's an intangible. Apple has whatever. It's an intangible. Apple has this intangible thing that makes them this intangible thing that makes them this intangible thing that makes them successful. That has nothing to do with successful. That has nothing to do with successful. That has nothing to do with any technical superiority. It's this any technical superiority. It's this any technical superiority. It's this that you want to be in that you want to be in that you want to be in >> building >> building >> building that you're sitting up here like this, that you're sitting up here like this, that you're sitting up here like this, >> you know, >> you know, >> you know, >> it's it's so what's going to happen is >> it's it's so what's going to happen is >> it's it's so what's going to happen is you're right. All those foldables we've you're right. All those foldables we've you're right. All those foldables we've seen over the years, they amount to just seen over the years, they amount to just seen over the years, they amount to just like whatever tiny percentage of sales.

like whatever tiny percentage of sales. like whatever tiny percentage of sales. And why is that? Because they're so damn And why is that? Because they're so damn And why is that? Because they're so damn expensive, the average person can't expensive, the average person can't expensive, the average person can't afford them. That being said, when Apple afford them. That being said, when Apple afford them. That being said, when Apple launches it, which means it's been launches it, which means it's been launches it, which means it's been invented now, invented now, invented now, >> oh yeah, that's right. the people who >> oh yeah, that's right. the people who >> oh yeah, that's right. the people who want to look. A friend of mine was like, want to look. A friend of mine was like, want to look. A friend of mine was like, "Why do women buy a Chanel handbag "Why do women buy a Chanel handbag "Why do women buy a Chanel handbag versus any other bag they could get at versus any other bag they could get at versus any other bag they could get at Target? What they're going to buy this Target? What they're going to buy this Target? What they're going to buy this thing?" And so, I'm not going to say thing?" And so, I'm not going to say thing?" And so, I'm not going to say it's I'm not going to say it's going to it's I'm not going to say it's going to it's I'm not going to say it's going to be a rocket ship, but people will buy be a rocket ship, but people will buy be a rocket ship, but people will buy this foldable from Apple this foldable from Apple this foldable from Apple >> because there's there's this level of >> because there's there's this level of >> because there's there's this level of >> find a way to find >> find a way to find >> find a way to find >> And what how much is it? $2,000. >> And what how much is it? $2,000. >> And what how much is it? $2,000. >> $2,000 for the >> $2,000 for the >> $2,000 for the >> low end. I think 200 at the high end. >> low end. I think 200 at the high end. >> low end. I think 200 at the high end. >> It's a [ __ ] L. I mean, it's a it's a >> It's a [ __ ] L. I mean, it's a it's a >> It's a [ __ ] L. I mean, it's a it's a tablet, man. [laughter] You're sitting tablet, man. [laughter] You're sitting tablet, man. [laughter] You're sitting here with a tablet on your head. here with a tablet on your head. here with a tablet on your head. >> Yeah. So, I'm I'm, you know, I I have a >> Yeah. So, I'm I'm, you know, I I have a >> Yeah. So, I'm I'm, you know, I I have a lot of I've been using uh the foldables. lot of I've been using uh the foldables. lot of I've been using uh the foldables. I've ignored them for five, you know, I've ignored them for five, you know, I've ignored them for five, you know, the first five years because they're all the first five years because they're all the first five years because they're all [ __ ] And it's just funny to see all [ __ ] And it's just funny to see all [ __ ] And it's just funny to see all these analysts talk about how great it these analysts talk about how great it these analysts talk about how great it is. They're they were absolute crap, is. They're they were absolute crap, is. They're they were absolute crap, right? Um, and also the screens, the right? Um, and also the screens, the right? Um, and also the screens, the folding mechanis, you know, the folding mechanis, you know, the folding mechanis, you know, the mechanics, none of that stuff was ready mechanics, none of that stuff was ready mechanics, none of that stuff was ready for a great experience. So, you know, for a great experience. So, you know, for a great experience. So, you know, Apple came in at the right time for from Apple came in at the right time for from Apple came in at the right time for from a technical level, right?

a technical level, right? a technical level, right? [clears throat] And, you know, I have [clears throat] And, you know, I have [clears throat] And, you know, I have the folds, I have the flips, I have all the folds, I have the flips, I have all the folds, I have the flips, I have all of them. Uh, I only started examining of them. Uh, I only started examining of them. Uh, I only started examining them the last two years because of the them the last two years because of the them the last two years because of the Samsung Galaxy uh, ZFold 7 Samsung Galaxy uh, ZFold 7 Samsung Galaxy uh, ZFold 7 >> when they got really thin. >> when they got really thin. >> when they got really thin. >> Yeah, when they got really thin. That's >> Yeah, when they got really thin. That's >> Yeah, when they got really thin. That's a problem. So people don't know that. a problem. So people don't know that. a problem. So people don't know that. And so now we have a lot of talking And so now we have a lot of talking And so now we have a lot of talking heads talking about, "Oh, it's not as heads talking about, "Oh, it's not as heads talking about, "Oh, it's not as thin." Yeah. Because you've never used thin." Yeah. Because you've never used thin." Yeah. Because you've never used one of these things before. You're one of these things before. You're one of these things before. You're saying [ __ ] like that. It needs to saying [ __ ] like that. It needs to saying [ __ ] like that. It needs to be thicker because the glass, the be thicker because the glass, the be thicker because the glass, the Gorilla Glass is so thin, these things Gorilla Glass is so thin, these things Gorilla Glass is so thin, these things crack. crack. crack. >> Uh you don't even need to drop them. >> Uh you don't even need to drop them. >> Uh you don't even need to drop them. They crack. They crack. They crack. >> And a lot of people don't know Samsung, >> And a lot of people don't know Samsung, >> And a lot of people don't know Samsung, they will give you a free um uh what do they will give you a free um uh what do they will give you a free um uh what do you call it? Screen replacement for the you call it? Screen replacement for the you call it? Screen replacement for the the outer screen. But here's what you the outer screen. But here's what you the outer screen. But here's what you know, here's how Apple's going to make know, here's how Apple's going to make know, here's how Apple's going to make it. And I posted this on my Substack. it. And I posted this on my Substack. it. And I posted this on my Substack. This is just one of the hints that This is just one of the hints that This is just one of the hints that differentiates me from all the other differentiates me from all the other differentiates me from all the other analysts who just copy and paste. analysts who just copy and paste. analysts who just copy and paste. >> Oh, here it comes, people. Here it >> Oh, here it comes, people. Here it >> Oh, here it comes, people. Here it comes. comes. comes. >> It's affordable.

>> It's affordable. >> It's affordable. >> Affordability. >> Affordability. >> Affordability. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Affordable. >> Affordable. >> Affordable. >> You know how how >> You know how how >> You know how how >> Apple upgrade. And they have there's >> Apple upgrade. And they have there's >> Apple upgrade. And they have there's three ways to finance these things. three ways to finance these things. three ways to finance these things. small monthly pay. small monthly pay. small monthly pay. >> They're making it into a >> They're making it into a >> They're making it into a >> your house. >> your house. >> your house. >> No, for the next five years, >> No, for the next five years, >> No, for the next five years, >> it's like 60 bucks a month, man. And you >> it's like 60 bucks a month, man. And you >> it's like 60 bucks a month, man. And you know what? At 60, 70, 80 bucks a month, know what? At 60, 70, 80 bucks a month, know what? At 60, 70, 80 bucks a month, you know, you know, you know, >> lattes, >> lattes, >> lattes, >> [ __ ] buy it. And you know, that's >> [ __ ] buy it. And you know, that's >> [ __ ] buy it. And you know, that's where where where >> I will never ever, >> I will never ever, >> I will never ever, mock my word, I will never buy a [ __ ] mock my word, I will never buy a [ __ ] mock my word, I will never buy a [ __ ] Apple phone at all in this life. Apple phone at all in this life. Apple phone at all in this life. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Quote unquote. >> Quote unquote. >> Quote unquote. >> Okay. the >> Okay. the >> Okay. the the all the sheep out there, the Apple the all the sheep out there, the Apple the all the sheep out there, the Apple sheep bill, sheep bill, sheep bill, >> they will buy it because it's >> they will buy it because it's >> they will buy it because it's affordable. affordable. affordable. >> I will I will never I will use the I >> I will I will never I will use the I >> I will I will never I will use the I will use my my laptop because as far as will use my my laptop because as far as will use my my laptop because as far as coding goes, I love that thing, coding goes, I love that thing, coding goes, I love that thing, >> dude. Dude, and I I'm with you. I I'm >> dude. Dude, and I I'm with you. I I'm >> dude. Dude, and I I'm with you. I I'm not going to get it. Uh I'm not going to get it. Uh I'm not going to get it. Uh I'm >> You'll get it for free. You'll get it >> You'll get it for free. You'll get it >> You'll get it for free. You'll get it for free.

for free. for free. >> Get it. Get it for free. >> Get it. Get it for free. >> Get it. Get it for free. >> I don't I don't talk to Apple. Um the I >> I don't I don't talk to Apple. Um the I >> I don't I don't talk to Apple. Um the I don't So everything I say is not don't So everything I say is not don't So everything I say is not affected. I don't get paid off like some affected. I don't get paid off like some affected. I don't get paid off like some of these other guys. Um of these other guys. Um of these other guys. Um I I No. Yeah. I I just don't dig it. I I I No. Yeah. I I just don't dig it. I I I No. Yeah. I I just don't dig it. I don't see the use for it, you know. Um I don't see the use for it, you know. Um I don't see the use for it, you know. Um I I like the soap bar. I like the soap bar. I like the soap bar. >> Right. There you go. All right. Wow. >> Right. There you go. All right. Wow. >> Right. There you go. All right. Wow. Yeah. But people are going to buy it. Yeah. But people are going to buy it. Yeah. But people are going to buy it. This is just like when the automakers This is just like when the automakers This is just like when the automakers when people didn't have enough money and when people didn't have enough money and when people didn't have enough money and the cars started getting really the cars started getting really the cars started getting really expensive. They're like, "Well, now we expensive. They're like, "Well, now we expensive. They're like, "Well, now we have 72 month financing, have 72 month financing, have 72 month financing, >> zero new car, >> zero new car, >> zero new car, >> zero% financing." >> zero% financing." >> zero% financing." >> And people are like, "Finally, I'm going >> And people are like, "Finally, I'm going >> And people are like, "Finally, I'm going to be able TO GET THAT MERCEDES I'VE to be able TO GET THAT MERCEDES I'VE to be able TO GET THAT MERCEDES I'VE been looking at." been looking at." been looking at." >> Think about it. They're going to release >> Think about it. They're going to release >> Think about it. They're going to release the iMac or what is it? the freaking Mac the iMac or what is it? the freaking Mac the iMac or what is it? the freaking Mac Studio Studio Studio uh with the the what do you call M5 uh with the the what do you call M5 uh with the the what do you call M5 Ultra with 512 Ultra with 512 Ultra with 512 gigs of unified memory that'll probably gigs of unified memory that'll probably gigs of unified memory that'll probably cost like $15,000, right? People they'll cost like $15,000, right? People they'll cost like $15,000, right? People they'll buy it because of the financing 0%. You buy it because of the financing 0%. You buy it because of the financing 0%. You just uh pay over three years, just uh pay over three years, just uh pay over three years, >> you know, and all of a sudden it's >> you know, and all of a sudden it's >> you know, and all of a sudden it's affordable.

affordable. affordable. >> Affordable. >> Affordable. >> Affordable. Not not with Not if they're listening to Not not with Not if they're listening to Not not with Not if they're listening to IoT coffee talk. It ain't. [laughter] IoT coffee talk. It ain't. [laughter] IoT coffee talk. It ain't. [laughter] >> We're gonna slap you in the face if you >> We're gonna slap you in the face if you >> We're gonna slap you in the face if you buy that thing. buy that thing. buy that thing. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> That's the brilliance. >> That's the brilliance. >> That's the brilliance. >> Oh my god. So with this AI stuff, do we >> Oh my god. So with this AI stuff, do we >> Oh my god. So with this AI stuff, do we need like a whole new level of security need like a whole new level of security need like a whole new level of security technology, security companies that are technology, security companies that are technology, security companies that are like new next level? I don't I mean like new next level? I don't I mean like new next level? I don't I mean >> we need zero trust uh zero trust >> we need zero trust uh zero trust >> we need zero trust uh zero trust execution. It's the stuff that I've been execution. It's the stuff that I've been execution. It's the stuff that I've been talking about for 2 [clears throat] talking about for 2 [clears throat] talking about for 2 [clears throat] years. I know Bill's the security years. I know Bill's the security years. I know Bill's the security expert, man. He's like he's expert, man. He's like he's expert, man. He's like he's >> Bill's like every day. Oh, new CVE, man. >> Bill's like every day. Oh, new CVE, man. >> Bill's like every day. Oh, new CVE, man. Watch out. Watch out. Watch out. >> Monitoring. Hey, and what did I tell >> Monitoring. Hey, and what did I tell >> Monitoring. Hey, and what did I tell you? Go back on this IoT coffee talk and you? Go back on this IoT coffee talk and you? Go back on this IoT coffee talk and look at the first time I mentioned look at the first time I mentioned look at the first time I mentioned Sbomb. Sbomb. Sbomb. >> Oh, yeah. Long time ago. Yeah, that's >> Oh, yeah. Long time ago. Yeah, that's >> Oh, yeah. Long time ago. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. right. Yeah. right. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Where are we at today? Loving it. >> Where are we at today? Loving it. >> Where are we at today? Loving it. [laughter] Yeah, that's why man I IoT Coffee Talk Yeah, that's why man I IoT Coffee Talk people don't recognize, you know.

people don't recognize, you know. people don't recognize, you know. >> Thank God that we have like 10 million >> Thank God that we have like 10 million >> Thank God that we have like 10 million subscribers on YouTube, you know. subscribers on YouTube, you know. subscribers on YouTube, you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, it's just that, you know, it's just >> No, it's just that, you know, it's just >> No, it's just that, you know, it's just the rest of the universe that I we have the rest of the universe that I we have the rest of the universe that I we have a lot of listeners. It's just that we a lot of listeners. It's just that we a lot of listeners. It's just that we don't have don't have don't have the uh mind share and we're probably the uh mind share and we're probably the uh mind share and we're probably going to be the minority mind share for going to be the minority mind share for going to be the minority mind share for a long time cuz a long time cuz a long time cuz >> when are we going to when are we going >> when are we going to when are we going >> when are we going to when are we going to get that that plaque in the mail from to get that that plaque in the mail from to get that that plaque in the mail from YouTube Leonard that says YouTube Leonard that says YouTube Leonard that says congratulations on 50,000 whatever. You congratulations on 50,000 whatever. You congratulations on 50,000 whatever. You know I always see these people random know I always see these people random know I always see these people random people I've never even heard of. They people I've never even heard of. They people I've never even heard of. They go, "OH, I JUST GOT my deal from YouTube go, "OH, I JUST GOT my deal from YouTube go, "OH, I JUST GOT my deal from YouTube saying that I passed 500,000 views or saying that I passed 500,000 views or saying that I passed 500,000 views or users or subscribers." I'm like, users or subscribers." I'm like, users or subscribers." I'm like, >> "I don't even know who you are." >> "I don't even know who you are." >> "I don't even know who you are." >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. That's the exact point. They're like, That's the exact point. They're like, That's the exact point. They're like, "Now you know who I am." "Now you know who I am." "Now you know who I am." >> Exactly. [laughter] >> Exactly. [laughter] >> Exactly. [laughter] Now you know. Now you know. Now you know. >> Yeah. And we we're we're doing this >> Yeah. And we we're we're doing this >> Yeah. And we we're we're doing this organically, right? So, organically, right? So, organically, right? So, >> you know, >> you know, >> you know, >> anyway. Anyway, >> anyway. Anyway, >> anyway. Anyway, >> anyone want to take us out?

>> anyone want to take us out? >> anyone want to take us out? >> I think Bill should take us out. >> I think Bill should take us out. >> I think Bill should take us out. >> Yeah. Oh, there you go. >> Yeah. Oh, there you go. >> Yeah. Oh, there you go. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a minute, >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a minute, >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a minute, y'all. And I'm back. But look, thanks y'all. And I'm back. But look, thanks y'all. And I'm back. But look, thanks for joining us. It's been an awesome for joining us. It's been an awesome for joining us. It's been an awesome experience as always. I hope you learned experience as always. I hope you learned experience as always. I hope you learned something. I'm sure you learned something. I'm sure you learned something. I'm sure you learned something. And love, peace, happiness. something. And love, peace, happiness. something. And love, peace, happiness. Uh, you know, we really recognize what Uh, you know, we really recognize what Uh, you know, we really recognize what happened during 9/11. And I think that happened during 9/11. And I think that happened during 9/11. And I think that it was a pivotal point in our uh society it was a pivotal point in our uh society it was a pivotal point in our uh society as a whole. So, we honor that and uh and as a whole. So, we honor that and uh and as a whole. So, we honor that and uh and thanks to all of the first responders thanks to all of the first responders thanks to all of the first responders that that that gave their time and their that that that gave their time and their that that that gave their time and their lives uh to protect us. But that said, lives uh to protect us. But that said, lives uh to protect us. But that said, all of the rest of this stuff that we all of the rest of this stuff that we all of the rest of this stuff that we talked about, take it, use it, claim it. talked about, take it, use it, claim it. talked about, take it, use it, claim it. Don't give away your agency for for just Don't give away your agency for for just Don't give away your agency for for just pittance. a pittance. Don't do that. pittance. a pittance. Don't do that. pittance. a pittance. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't go get a foldable Don't do that. Don't go get a foldable Don't do that. Don't go get a foldable just because somebody said it's cool. just because somebody said it's cool. just because somebody said it's cool. Don't do that. You have a phone that Don't do that. You have a phone that Don't do that. You have a phone that works. It might not it. You know what?

works. It might not it. You know what? works. It might not it. You know what? I'm getting a flip phone that doesn't I'm getting a flip phone that doesn't I'm getting a flip phone that doesn't have all that extra stuff. So, do that. have all that extra stuff. So, do that. have all that extra stuff. So, do that. Listen to what we're saying. Follow what Listen to what we're saying. Follow what Listen to what we're saying. Follow what we're doing. Follow us. Hit the smash we're doing. Follow us. Hit the smash we're doing. Follow us. Hit the smash smash that like button. And by the way, smash that like button. And by the way, smash that like button. And by the way, elevate our kids. elevate our kids. elevate our kids. >> Elevate our community. >> Elevate our community. >> Elevate our community. >> Elevate [clears throat] our communities. >> Elevate [clears throat] our communities. >> Elevate [clears throat] our communities. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, >> that's it. >> that's it. >> that's it. >> Yeah, there you go. >> Yeah, there you go. >> Yeah, there you go. >> Jump on board. Go get some merch. Uh I >> Jump on board. Go get some merch. Uh I >> Jump on board. Go get some merch. Uh I mean, at the end of the day, if we don't mean, at the end of the day, if we don't mean, at the end of the day, if we don't take control of our own agency, take control of our own agency, take control of our own agency, were baked. were baked. were baked. >> Wow, that was deep. >> Wow, that was deep. >> Wow, that was deep. >> That's deep. You're right. >> That's deep. You're right. >> That's deep. You're right. >> Okay, so you know, come on back and see >> Okay, so you know, come on back and see >> Okay, so you know, come on back and see us again next week. Love you guys. Have us again next week. Love you guys. Have us again next week. Love you guys. Have a wonderful weekend. We're out. Heat. a wonderful weekend. We're out. Heat. a wonderful weekend. We're out. Heat. Heat.