IoTCT Webcast Episode 287 - "Little Dreamers" (The Era of ICO Fantasy & DEFCON1)

Oh my god. Oh my god. >> One of the greatest albums ever with an >> One of the greatest albums ever with an >> One of the greatest albums ever with an Halen. Halen. Halen. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. I'm rediscovering that album and it is I'm rediscovering that album and it is I'm rediscovering that album and it is so good. so good. so good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Eddie's playing is just >> Yeah. Eddie's playing is just >> Yeah. Eddie's playing is just remarkable. It's simple sometimes cuz a remarkable. It's simple sometimes cuz a remarkable. It's simple sometimes cuz a lot of people think that he just plays a lot of people think that he just plays a lot of people think that he just plays a lot of squiggly squeaky stuff that's lot of squiggly squeaky stuff that's lot of squiggly squeaky stuff that's really fast, but the finesse, you know, really fast, but the finesse, you know, really fast, but the finesse, you know, um especially for a guy that I think was um especially for a guy that I think was um especially for a guy that I think was like 20 probably like 20 years old when like 20 probably like 20 years old when like 20 probably like 20 years old when he wrote all this. he wrote all this. he wrote all this. He's like the Bruce Lee of rock. You He's like the Bruce Lee of rock. You He's like the Bruce Lee of rock. You know what I'm saying? know what I'm saying? know what I'm saying? >> Oh, Bruce Lee of rock. Wow. >> Oh, Bruce Lee of rock. Wow. >> Oh, Bruce Lee of rock. Wow. >> Just like freaking freaking legendary. >> Just like freaking freaking legendary. >> Just like freaking freaking legendary. How's it going, guys? How's it going, guys? How's it going, guys? >> Little dreamer. We're all little >> Little dreamer. We're all little >> Little dreamer. We're all little dreamers out there, right? dreamers out there, right? dreamers out there, right? >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Little nightmares. >> Little nightmares. >> Little nightmares. >> Except >> Except >> Except except when it comes to bitcoins.

except when it comes to bitcoins. except when it comes to bitcoins. >> Oh my god. Don't even get me started >> Oh my god. Don't even get me started >> Oh my god. Don't even get me started with that stuff, man. with that stuff, man. with that stuff, man. >> No, I mean, you know, my whole point on >> No, I mean, you know, my whole point on >> No, I mean, you know, my whole point on that, Demetri, is like just for all that, Demetri, is like just for all that, Demetri, is like just for all these freaking years, these freaking years, these freaking years, >> I totally get you. a decade nobody has >> I totally get you. a decade nobody has >> I totally get you. a decade nobody has figured this crap out because they don't figured this crap out because they don't figured this crap out because they don't want to admit what it is. They don't want to admit what it is. They don't want to admit what it is. They don't want to admit what it is. That is why want to admit what it is. That is why want to admit what it is. That is why they can't figure it out. And that's they can't figure it out. And that's they can't figure it out. And that's delusion, right? I mean, we see that delusion, right? I mean, we see that delusion, right? I mean, we see that everywhere in the tech industry right everywhere in the tech industry right everywhere in the tech industry right now. You don't want to admit what you're now. You don't want to admit what you're now. You don't want to admit what you're actually looking at. Like kind of like actually looking at. Like kind of like actually looking at. Like kind of like the circular whatever circular the circular whatever circular the circular whatever circular investment crap that's happening with investment crap that's happening with investment crap that's happening with AI. You don't want to admit what it is. AI. You don't want to admit what it is. AI. You don't want to admit what it is. So you try to explain it away and you So you try to explain it away and you So you try to explain it away and you can't because you're being delusional can't because you're being delusional can't because you're being delusional and that's the whole and that's the whole and that's the whole >> thing being delusional. >> thing being delusional. >> thing being delusional. >> But but I think Yeah. But but I think >> But but I think Yeah. But but I think >> But but I think Yeah. But but I think that the delusions comes because of the that the delusions comes because of the that the delusions comes because of the the root cause and the root cause is the root cause and the root cause is the root cause and the root cause is when people says they are investors and when people says they are investors and when people says they are investors and this is which is the majority 99% of this is which is the majority 99% of this is which is the majority 99% of them for them investing is I put money I them for them investing is I put money I them for them investing is I put money I get some money back whatever and I don't get some money back whatever and I don't get some money back whatever and I don't understand why understand why understand why >> they don't question why so that's the >> they don't question why so that's the >> they don't question why so that's the that that's how that's why you know that that's how that's why you know that that's how that's why you know that's why that's why people have become that's why that's why people have become that's why that's why people have become the the adjustment variable For most the the adjustment variable For most the the adjustment variable For most CEOs nowadays, they want to deliver CEOs nowadays, they want to deliver CEOs nowadays, they want to deliver return to the investors. So what is the return to the investors. So what is the return to the investors. So what is the easiest thing to cut? People. So they easiest thing to cut? People. So they easiest thing to cut? People. So they fire people.

fire people. fire people. >> Yeah. But they really do start to >> Yeah. But they really do start to >> Yeah. But they really do start to freaking care when they do lose a lot of freaking care when they do lose a lot of freaking care when they do lose a lot of money. money. money. >> Yeah. But but because they didn't think >> Yeah. But but because they didn't think >> Yeah. But but because they didn't think about in the beginning or what they were about in the beginning or what they were about in the beginning or what they were investing in, it's far too late because investing in, it's far too late because investing in, it's far too late because you're 10 years into the hype. So if you're 10 years into the hype. So if you're 10 years into the hype. So if they want to understand what it is right they want to understand what it is right they want to understand what it is right now, first of all, they're gonna commit now, first of all, they're gonna commit now, first of all, they're gonna commit suicide because suicide because suicide because >> I know I know. But but but see that's >> I know I know. But but but see that's >> I know I know. But but but see that's that's the thing is when you're when that's the thing is when you're when that's the thing is when you're when you're investing simply for the returns you're investing simply for the returns you're investing simply for the returns and don't understand the mechanics of and don't understand the mechanics of and don't understand the mechanics of what you're investing in that that is what you're investing in that that is what you're investing in that that is the outcome. the outcome. the outcome. >> But also what what is completely >> But also what what is completely >> But also what what is completely ridiculous is when people call it ridiculous is when people call it ridiculous is when people call it digital gold or digital XYZ or an asset. digital gold or digital XYZ or an asset. digital gold or digital XYZ or an asset. Technically it's an instrument. And so Technically it's an instrument. And so Technically it's an instrument. And so people who don't have a finance people who don't have a finance people who don't have a finance background, don't know how to abstract background, don't know how to abstract background, don't know how to abstract the finance stack, they just call it an the finance stack, they just call it an the finance stack, they just call it an asset, but the underlying underlying asset, but the underlying underlying asset, but the underlying underlying asset is actually fiat. It's it's the asset is actually fiat. It's it's the asset is actually fiat. It's it's the value of the fiat that's being placed in value of the fiat that's being placed in value of the fiat that's being placed in that crypto.

that crypto. that crypto. >> And uh and so it doesn't Yeah. It >> And uh and so it doesn't Yeah. It >> And uh and so it doesn't Yeah. It doesn't actually have intrinsic value. doesn't actually have intrinsic value. doesn't actually have intrinsic value. And I'm serious. Just go on coin uh coin And I'm serious. Just go on coin uh coin And I'm serious. Just go on coin uh coin what's that thing called? Coindesk. and what's that thing called? Coindesk. and what's that thing called? Coindesk. and listen to any of these jokers that get listen to any of these jokers that get listen to any of these jokers that get up there and when as soon as the up there and when as soon as the up there and when as soon as the question of what is what's the fin question of what is what's the fin question of what is what's the fin fundamental value of this thing they fundamental value of this thing they fundamental value of this thing they break down they break down they break down they >> but we I think we're in violent >> but we I think we're in violent >> but we I think we're in violent agreement except that are we agreement except that are we agreement except that are we >> I would actually argue that you don't >> I would actually argue that you don't >> I would actually argue that you don't need a financial background to need a financial background to need a financial background to understand that Bitcoin and gold are two understand that Bitcoin and gold are two understand that Bitcoin and gold are two different things you just you just need different things you just you just need different things you just you just need that basic thing which is called that basic thing which is called that basic thing which is called intelligence I'm sorry intelligence I'm sorry intelligence I'm sorry >> no no no I I'll argue I'll argue that >> no no no I I'll argue I'll argue that >> no no no I I'll argue I'll argue that you do need it because you have to have you do need it because you have to have you do need it because you have to have that to recognize the nonsense and the that to recognize the nonsense and the that to recognize the nonsense and the absolute [ __ ] Without that, you're absolute [ __ ] Without that, you're absolute [ __ ] Without that, you're just you're going to just believe just you're going to just believe just you're going to just believe whatever this joker these idiots on um whatever this joker these idiots on um whatever this joker these idiots on um CoinDesk are spouting. You believe it CoinDesk are spouting. You believe it CoinDesk are spouting. You believe it because you have no other reference. You because you have no other reference. You because you have no other reference. You don't have the framework to abstract the don't have the framework to abstract the don't have the framework to abstract the concept and figure out what it really concept and figure out what it really concept and figure out what it really is. Right? And you know, we've done this is. Right? And you know, we've done this is. Right? And you know, we've done this on IoT Coffee Talk. Yes.

on IoT Coffee Talk. Yes. on IoT Coffee Talk. Yes. years ago. We've already unpacked this years ago. We've already unpacked this years ago. We've already unpacked this thing. And I mean, just like IoT, thing. And I mean, just like IoT, thing. And I mean, just like IoT, apparently, we're going to unpack the apparently, we're going to unpack the apparently, we're going to unpack the whole freaking thing again. whole freaking thing again. whole freaking thing again. You know, Leonard sounds just like You know, Leonard sounds just like You know, Leonard sounds just like Warren Buffett in 1999 Warren Buffett in 1999 Warren Buffett in 1999 during the dot race where he's like, I during the dot race where he's like, I during the dot race where he's like, I don't understand or believe in any of don't understand or believe in any of don't understand or believe in any of this stuff, so I'm not investing in any this stuff, so I'm not investing in any this stuff, so I'm not investing in any of it. of it. of it. >> No, I'm the total opposite. I know what >> No, I'm the total opposite. I know what >> No, I'm the total opposite. I know what it is. I know what it is and I don't it is. I know what it is and I don't it is. I know what it is and I don't invest in it because I choose not to invest in it because I choose not to invest in it because I choose not to invest in it. invest in it. invest in it. >> Total opposite. Rob, >> Total opposite. Rob, >> Total opposite. Rob, >> he said actually what this stuff is. >> he said actually what this stuff is. >> he said actually what this stuff is. >> Yeah. Buffett said actually things that >> Yeah. Buffett said actually things that >> Yeah. Buffett said actually things that that would that actually explain that he that would that actually explain that he that would that actually explain that he totally understand what it is because he totally understand what it is because he totally understand what it is because he said give me what he said 1% of 5% of said give me what he said 1% of 5% of said give me what he said 1% of 5% of all farming in the US and I cut you a all farming in the US and I cut you a all farming in the US and I cut you a check of 50 billion immediately because check of 50 billion immediately because check of 50 billion immediately because if you buy some tangible asset this is if you buy some tangible asset this is if you buy some tangible asset this is why I said you don't need much financial why I said you don't need much financial why I said you don't need much financial understanding to realize that gold is understanding to realize that gold is understanding to realize that gold is something I can touch and that is rare something I can touch and that is rare something I can touch and that is rare so I can understand that this has value so I can understand that this has value so I can understand that this has value interestingly interestingly interestingly as opposed to a digital thing that I as opposed to a digital thing that I as opposed to a digital thing that I can't touch. I know anybody can create can't touch. I know anybody can create can't touch. I know anybody can create with math and can add to it. So it with math and can add to it. So it with math and can add to it. So it should be quite logical to understand should be quite logical to understand should be quite logical to understand that these things are very different. So that these things are very different. So that these things are very different. So if you want to put your life saving on if you want to put your life saving on if you want to put your life saving on it, you might want to understand how it, you might want to understand how it, you might want to understand how they work. And to your point Z, you they work. And to your point Z, you they work. And to your point Z, you might realize that, oh, I need to might realize that, oh, I need to might realize that, oh, I need to understand finances to be able to understand finances to be able to understand finances to be able to understand that stuff. But I'm saying understand that stuff. But I'm saying understand that stuff. But I'm saying that the intuitive reaction if you have that the intuitive reaction if you have that the intuitive reaction if you have the minimum critical thinking to Bitcoin

the minimum critical thinking to Bitcoin the minimum critical thinking to Bitcoin versus gold should be eh it's not the versus gold should be eh it's not the versus gold should be eh it's not the same. same. same. >> Well, you just basically excluded about >> Well, you just basically excluded about >> Well, you just basically excluded about 90% of the population of the earth. 90% of the population of the earth. 90% of the population of the earth. Dude, Dude, Dude, >> I think that I think 99 I think I mean >> I think that I think 99 I think I mean >> I think that I think 99 I think I mean >> you think that 10% of the entire >> you think that 10% of the entire >> you think that 10% of the entire population of the planet getting it is population of the planet getting it is population of the planet getting it is good enough. I think you're wrong. good enough. I think you're wrong. good enough. I think you're wrong. >> No. No. Well, in my 20s, in my 20s, I >> No. No. Well, in my 20s, in my 20s, I >> No. No. Well, in my 20s, in my 20s, I thought there were 80% of idiots. Then I thought there were 80% of idiots. Then I thought there were 80% of idiots. Then I went to 90 95. I I don't remember which went to 90 95. I I don't remember which went to 90 95. I I don't remember which point I am. point I am. point I am. >> You watch Idiocracy and then went to >> You watch Idiocracy and then went to >> You watch Idiocracy and then went to >> No, I'm 99.999. I don't know where I >> No, I'm 99.999. I don't know where I >> No, I'm 99.999. I don't know where I stop with the point of decimal nowadays. stop with the point of decimal nowadays. stop with the point of decimal nowadays. So, I agree with you. Especially when I So, I agree with you. Especially when I So, I agree with you. Especially when I see all this stuff about Bacon and I see all this stuff about Bacon and I see all this stuff about Bacon and I agree with you. It's just crazy. agree with you. It's just crazy. agree with you. It's just crazy. >> So, when it goes down, everyone and >> So, when it goes down, everyone and >> So, when it goes down, everyone and everyone is freaking out. I just think everyone is freaking out. I just think everyone is freaking out. I just think it's funny, you know? It's just it's funny, you know? It's just it's funny, you know? It's just entertaining for me. I think it's just entertaining for me. I think it's just entertaining for me. I think it's just >> Yeah, it's funny. >> Yeah, it's funny. >> Yeah, it's funny. >> Better than Bill Mah. So, >> Better than Bill Mah. So, >> Better than Bill Mah. So, >> but you know, depending Leonard, >> but you know, depending Leonard, >> but you know, depending Leonard, depending on where your head is, your depending on where your head is, your depending on where your head is, your voice gets quieter or louder. voice gets quieter or louder. voice gets quieter or louder. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Sorry about it.

>> Yeah. Sorry about it. >> Yeah. Sorry about it. >> No worries. >> No worries. >> No worries. >> And I think I commented on one on your >> And I think I commented on one on your >> And I think I commented on one on your post on that, Leonard. But the nail in post on that, Leonard. But the nail in post on that, Leonard. But the nail in the coffin of Bitcoin is going to be the coffin of Bitcoin is going to be the coffin of Bitcoin is going to be quantum computing quantum computing quantum computing because once we have quantum computing, because once we have quantum computing, because once we have quantum computing, we can crap the crypto and we can go we can crap the crypto and we can go we can crap the crypto and we can go after all those lost Bitcoin and get after all those lost Bitcoin and get after all those lost Bitcoin and get them and make the whole system collapse them and make the whole system collapse them and make the whole system collapse totally. totally. totally. >> Oh yeah. Wonderful. Sounds like a plan. >> Yeah. All I know is that somehow a >> Yeah. All I know is that somehow a centipede got into our house. I have no centipede got into our house. I have no centipede got into our house. I have no idea. So, we're having this huge debate. idea. So, we're having this huge debate. idea. So, we're having this huge debate. Uh aka Uh aka Uh aka argument about whose fault it was. argument about whose fault it was. argument about whose fault it was. >> Oh, it's you. Of course. >> Oh, it's you. Of course. >> Oh, it's you. Of course. >> Centipede. >> Centipede. >> Centipede. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Aren't they poisonous? >> Aren't they poisonous? >> Aren't they poisonous? >> Some of them. Yeah. Very. >> Some of them. Yeah. Very. >> Some of them. Yeah. Very. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If they're big. Yeah, the big ones are >> If they're big. Yeah, the big ones are >> If they're big. Yeah, the big ones are bad. Very bad. bad. Very bad. bad. Very bad. >> Yeah. Sucker was pretty big. It was >> Yeah. Sucker was pretty big. It was >> Yeah. Sucker was pretty big. It was pretty big. I was like, how the hell did pretty big. I was like, how the hell did pretty big. I was like, how the hell did this thing get in here? Anyway, this thing get in here? Anyway, this thing get in here? Anyway, >> well, we had that remind me of an >> well, we had that remind me of an >> well, we had that remind me of an anecdote. When I was at Case and Cybase anecdote. When I was at Case and Cybase anecdote. When I was at Case and Cybase was going through the turmoil of the was going through the turmoil of the was going through the turmoil of the mid90s, we had this big kickoff meeting mid90s, we had this big kickoff meeting mid90s, we had this big kickoff meeting and the the the head of sales or at that and the the the head of sales or at that and the the the head of sales or at that time don't remember the name show up time don't remember the name show up time don't remember the name show up said we need more feet on the ground. So said we need more feet on the ground. So said we need more feet on the ground. So we crafted in the marketing department a we crafted in the marketing department a we crafted in the marketing department a big PowerPoint with a big centipede.

big PowerPoint with a big centipede. big PowerPoint with a big centipede. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> more feet on the ground. >> more feet on the ground. >> more feet on the ground. >> Yeah. Well, you know, it was one of the >> Yeah. Well, you know, it was one of the >> Yeah. Well, you know, it was one of the greatest uh video games of the 80s, greatest uh video games of the 80s, greatest uh video games of the 80s, right? So in the 70s actually. I don't right? So in the 70s actually. I don't right? So in the 70s actually. I don't recall that actually. I'm recall that actually. I'm recall that actually. I'm >> what how much was the licensing >> what how much was the licensing >> what how much was the licensing agreement with Microsoft? I mean, was it agreement with Microsoft? I mean, was it agreement with Microsoft? I mean, was it enough to keep the company afloat or enough to keep the company afloat or enough to keep the company afloat or >> I I don't remember those details, but I >> I I don't remember those details, but I >> I I don't remember those details, but I don't I don't think so. I actually don't don't I don't think so. I actually don't don't I don't think so. I actually don't think that the Microsoft deal with CIA think that the Microsoft deal with CIA think that the Microsoft deal with CIA was any of the problem that Caiase was any of the problem that Caiase was any of the problem that Caiase faced. faced. faced. I don't think that was I mean that was I don't think that was I mean that was I don't think that was I mean that was one of the hiccups maybe and one of the one of the hiccups maybe and one of the one of the hiccups maybe and one of the not so smart decision on how the deal not so smart decision on how the deal not so smart decision on how the deal was structured was structured was structured >> but but there were more profound >> but but there were more profound >> but but there were more profound problems problems problems uh with with cybase go it was kind of uh with with cybase go it was kind of uh with with cybase go it was kind of the the the >> 80ist approach and obsession into wall >> 80ist approach and obsession into wall >> 80ist approach and obsession into wall street and and not understanding what street and and not understanding what street and and not understanding what Oracle go to market was which was you Oracle go to market was which was you Oracle go to market was which was you know Oracle will just you know cover the know Oracle will just you know cover the know Oracle will just you know cover the whole terrain whole terrain whole terrain >> and we figure out the tech before and we >> and we figure out the tech before and we >> and we figure out the tech before and we were no no you need a smart tech.

were no no you need a smart tech. were no no you need a smart tech. Isn't that interesting? If you think of Isn't that interesting? If you think of Isn't that interesting? If you think of that time frame, if Microsoft had not that time frame, if Microsoft had not that time frame, if Microsoft had not licensed CIA in order to create SQL licensed CIA in order to create SQL licensed CIA in order to create SQL Server, Server, Server, all the only database Microsoft would all the only database Microsoft would all the only database Microsoft would have had was Access on the desktop, you have had was Access on the desktop, you have had was Access on the desktop, you know, competing with, you know, an old know, competing with, you know, an old know, competing with, you know, an old generation of when desktop databases generation of when desktop databases generation of when desktop databases ruled the world like dbase, you know, ruled the world like dbase, you know, ruled the world like dbase, you know, Fox Pro and all that. Um, I remember Fox Pro and all that. Um, I remember Fox Pro and all that. Um, I remember reading this whole deal, you know, reading this whole deal, you know, reading this whole deal, you know, internally just, you know, from Bill internally just, you know, from Bill internally just, you know, from Bill Gates when he was like looking at Gates when he was like looking at Gates when he was like looking at different markets, uh, early on, uh, and different markets, uh, early on, uh, and different markets, uh, early on, uh, and how he's like, and we need to conquer how he's like, and we need to conquer how he's like, and we need to conquer all of these, you know, spreadsheets, all of these, you know, spreadsheets, all of these, you know, spreadsheets, word processing, you know, the whole word processing, you know, the whole word processing, you know, the whole deal with through either through deal with through either through deal with through either through acquisition, building our own stuff or acquisition, building our own stuff or acquisition, building our own stuff or whatever, or licensing. whatever, or licensing. whatever, or licensing. And he talked about how he how important And he talked about how he how important And he talked about how he how important databases were. You know, this is he was databases were. You know, this is he was databases were. You know, this is he was writing this stuff like in the late 80s writing this stuff like in the late 80s writing this stuff like in the late 80s um you know early 90s um you know early 90s um you know early 90s >> and that analyszis was right. What was >> and that analyszis was right. What was >> and that analyszis was right. What was wrong with access is that it came at the wrong with access is that it came at the wrong with access is that it came at the point where there was already a point where there was already a point where there was already a transition between personal databases transition between personal databases transition between personal databases like DB3 on PCs towards shared databases like DB3 on PCs towards shared databases like DB3 on PCs towards shared databases and access sucked at sharing data. I and access sucked at sharing data. I and access sucked at sharing data. I tried to build the system. No, I I tried tried to build the system. No, I I tried tried to build the system. No, I I tried to build a CRM system for Microsoft to build a CRM system for Microsoft to build a CRM system for Microsoft France because at that time the the France because at that time the the France because at that time the the large account uh uh team was led by a large account uh uh team was led by a large account uh uh team was led by a former employee of the company I work former employee of the company I work former employee of the company I work for. So he contracted say help us build for. So he contracted say help us build for. So he contracted say help us build the mini CRM. So we tried to build this

the mini CRM. So we tried to build this the mini CRM. So we tried to build this access system with 10 or 12 sales people access system with 10 or 12 sales people access system with 10 or 12 sales people around it and it was a nightmare because around it and it was a nightmare because around it and it was a nightmare because access was not designed for concurrency. access was not designed for concurrency. access was not designed for concurrency. So I think the transition to the SQL So I think the transition to the SQL So I think the transition to the SQL server and the Oracle happened because server and the Oracle happened because server and the Oracle happened because at that time it was too late. The dbase at that time it was too late. The dbase at that time it was too late. The dbase tree was already covering everything but tree was already covering everything but tree was already covering everything but the answer was not another PCcentric the answer was not another PCcentric the answer was not another PCcentric database. It was a concurrent database database. It was a concurrent database database. It was a concurrent database that you needed at that time. that you needed at that time. that you needed at that time. >> Yeah. Someone had a really great idea >> Yeah. Someone had a really great idea >> Yeah. Someone had a really great idea and said that SharePoint would solve all and said that SharePoint would solve all and said that SharePoint would solve all of the database sharing. That did not of the database sharing. That did not of the database sharing. That did not work out either. work out either. work out either. >> Oh yeah. You remember the structured >> Oh yeah. You remember the structured >> Oh yeah. You remember the structured data versus nonstructured data. But but data versus nonstructured data. But but data versus nonstructured data. But but going back to a discussion we had about going back to a discussion we had about going back to a discussion we had about Oracle two or three episodes ago, they Oracle two or three episodes ago, they Oracle two or three episodes ago, they were right because in the context of AI were right because in the context of AI were right because in the context of AI unstructured document like text are much unstructured document like text are much unstructured document like text are much more effective that relational database more effective that relational database more effective that relational database data which GI does not understand at data which GI does not understand at data which GI does not understand at all. So it's a total irony because I all. So it's a total irony because I all. So it's a total irony because I agree with that SharePoint totally agree with that SharePoint totally agree with that SharePoint totally sucks. But if you look at the engines of sucks. But if you look at the engines of sucks. But if you look at the engines of AI today, you'd better point them to a AI today, you'd better point them to a AI today, you'd better point them to a SharePoint than to a restaurant SharePoint than to a restaurant SharePoint than to a restaurant database. Oh, don't don't even get me database. Oh, don't don't even get me database. Oh, don't don't even get me >> much much much more value.

>> much much much more value. >> much much much more value. >> Don't even get me started with >> Don't even get me started with >> Don't even get me started with SharePoints. Oh my god, we used to SharePoints. Oh my god, we used to SharePoints. Oh my god, we used to implement that thing in knowledge, you implement that thing in knowledge, you implement that thing in knowledge, you know, knowledge bases across, you know, know, knowledge bases across, you know, know, knowledge bases across, you know, in these large gloations. in these large gloations. in these large gloations. What a I mean, definition of a shitow. What a I mean, definition of a shitow. What a I mean, definition of a shitow. And so what's really hilarious is when And so what's really hilarious is when And so what's really hilarious is when everyone talks about, hey, we're going everyone talks about, hey, we're going everyone talks about, hey, we're going to train these models on our corporate to train these models on our corporate to train these models on our corporate knowledge instead of good luck. And you knowledge instead of good luck. And you knowledge instead of good luck. And you know, it's funny because that's becoming know, it's funny because that's becoming know, it's funny because that's becoming increasingly a recognition increasingly a recognition increasingly a recognition uh amongst a lot of conversations I'm uh amongst a lot of conversations I'm uh amongst a lot of conversations I'm having lately and everybody needs to now having lately and everybody needs to now having lately and everybody needs to now uh you know focus on the fundamentals. uh you know focus on the fundamentals. uh you know focus on the fundamentals. It's not about the AI tools and all this It's not about the AI tools and all this It's not about the AI tools and all this other crap. Those things will get other crap. Those things will get other crap. Those things will get adopted much later and you're going to adopted much later and you're going to adopted much later and you're going to see them kind of trickle in where they see them kind of trickle in where they see them kind of trickle in where they make sense. They're going to be isolated make sense. They're going to be isolated make sense. They're going to be isolated initially and then when they've when initially and then when they've when initially and then when they've when people figure out how to implement this people figure out how to implement this people figure out how to implement this crap scalably and safely which they crap scalably and safely which they crap scalably and safely which they haven't by the way and you know then haven't by the way and you know then haven't by the way and you know then you're going to start to see AI become you're going to start to see AI become you're going to start to see AI become sort of that fabric or the mainstream uh sort of that fabric or the mainstream uh sort of that fabric or the mainstream uh adopted technology but you it's going to adopted technology but you it's going to adopted technology but you it's going to be invisible. Do you know what I'm be invisible. Do you know what I'm be invisible. Do you know what I'm saying? It's just going to be like a you saying? It's just going to be like a you saying? It's just going to be like a you know a search engine remember you know know a search engine remember you know know a search engine remember you know search engines from long time ago and no search engines from long time ago and no search engines from long time ago and no one's going to give a a no one's going one's going to give a a no one's going one's going to give a a no one's going to pay more.

to pay more. to pay more. it it just is a progression of the it it just is a progression of the it it just is a progression of the search engine, right? search engine, right? search engine, right? >> Well, I think I think that's that's an >> Well, I think I think that's that's an >> Well, I think I think that's that's an oversimplification because the thing oversimplification because the thing oversimplification because the thing that actually the thing that actually that actually the thing that actually that actually the thing that actually those geni models are good at and those geni models are good at and those geni models are good at and actually I use it at a smaller scale is actually I use it at a smaller scale is actually I use it at a smaller scale is that they will be good at you point this that they will be good at you point this that they will be good at you point this geni to your shareepoint mess and you geni to your shareepoint mess and you geni to your shareepoint mess and you say hey do some cleanup find all the say hey do some cleanup find all the say hey do some cleanup find all the inconsistency in my messaging document. inconsistency in my messaging document. inconsistency in my messaging document. >> Yeah. And it's great at that. What I do >> Yeah. And it's great at that. What I do >> Yeah. And it's great at that. What I do in my everyday job as a, you know, in my everyday job as a, you know, in my everyday job as a, you know, product marketing ops, it's getting product marketing ops, it's getting product marketing ops, it's getting better is I have a set of reference better is I have a set of reference better is I have a set of reference documents that create the messaging documents that create the messaging documents that create the messaging stack. And every time we build a new stack. And every time we build a new stack. And every time we build a new asset, I run the new asset to, hey, asset, I run the new asset to, hey, asset, I run the new asset to, hey, check the consistency with the reference check the consistency with the reference check the consistency with the reference elements in those unstructured docs. elements in those unstructured docs. elements in those unstructured docs. >> Yeah, it does a great job at that. >> Yeah, it does a great job at that. >> Yeah, it does a great job at that. >> If you do, but you have to know what >> If you do, but you have to know what >> If you do, but you have to know what it's good at because of course coding. it's good at because of course coding. it's good at because of course coding. Vibe coding. Have you noticed that Vibe coding. Have you noticed that Vibe coding. Have you noticed that people are like reversing their talk people are like reversing their talk people are like reversing their talk track around vibe coding where you have track around vibe coding where you have track around vibe coding where you have all these bozos telling everyone you can all these bozos telling everyone you can all these bozos telling everyone you can vibe code and get rid of all your vibe code and get rid of all your vibe code and get rid of all your developers? Now everyone's shifting back developers? Now everyone's shifting back developers? Now everyone's shifting back toward hey um you know we need what is toward hey um you know we need what is toward hey um you know we need what is it? Vibe code cleaners.

it? Vibe code cleaners. it? Vibe code cleaners. Vibe code cleaners. So remember, we came Vibe code cleaners. So remember, we came Vibe code cleaners. So remember, we came up with the three new careers for AI, up with the three new careers for AI, up with the three new careers for AI, >> you know, AI janitor, AI plumber, and >> you know, AI janitor, AI plumber, and >> you know, AI janitor, AI plumber, and the AI babysitter. Yeah. the AI babysitter. Yeah. the AI babysitter. Yeah. >> Divide premise. But Rob, you you're >> Divide premise. But Rob, you you're >> Divide premise. But Rob, you you're doing a lot of doing a lot of doing a lot of >> they're embedding that crap in the new, >> they're embedding that crap in the new, >> they're embedding that crap in the new, you know, job descriptions or job you know, job descriptions or job you know, job descriptions or job requirements requirements requirements of developers. So, we need somebody who of developers. So, we need somebody who of developers. So, we need somebody who has 10 years of vibe coding, you know, has 10 years of vibe coding, you know, has 10 years of vibe coding, you know, cleaning, whatever the hell that means. cleaning, whatever the hell that means. cleaning, whatever the hell that means. >> But, but Rob, you do you you use >> But, but Rob, you do you you use >> But, but Rob, you do you you use >> hilarious >> hilarious >> hilarious >> you use AI a lot to code, right? >> you use AI a lot to code, right? >> you use AI a lot to code, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So tell me one thing because one >> Yeah. So tell me one thing because one >> Yeah. So tell me one thing because one thing that I'm struggling with a lot is thing that I'm struggling with a lot is thing that I'm struggling with a lot is the the problem I think with V coding is the the problem I think with V coding is the the problem I think with V coding is that you do your prompting your that you do your prompting your that you do your prompting your description it generates the whole code description it generates the whole code description it generates the whole code and then you say oh you know in this and then you say oh you know in this and then you say oh you know in this function I want you to change that it function I want you to change that it function I want you to change that it sucks at that because it regenerates sucks at that because it regenerates sucks at that because it regenerates everything all the time everything all the time everything all the time >> it starts all over >> it starts all over >> it starts all over >> yeah that's the core problem we have to >> yeah that's the core problem we have to >> yeah that's the core problem we have to solve with that because it is solve with that because it is solve with that because it is exceptional for simple things there's a exceptional for simple things there's a exceptional for simple things there's a ton of things that I do nowadays where I ton of things that I do nowadays where I ton of things that I do nowadays where I give you a stupid example I was looking give you a stupid example I was looking give you a stupid example I was looking at the QR code generation for YouTube at the QR code generation for YouTube at the QR code generation for YouTube channels and if you want to generate QR channels and if you want to generate QR channels and if you want to generate QR code you can go on on the web and find a code you can go on on the web and find a code you can go on on the web and find a website but this website is going to website but this website is going to website but this website is going to bombard you with ad ask you to create an bombard you with ad ask you to create an bombard you with ad ask you to create an account try to say you [ __ ] account try to say you [ __ ] account try to say you [ __ ] >> I to I took code wrote a prompt I have a >> I to I took code wrote a prompt I have a >> I to I took code wrote a prompt I have a piece of code that does it for me.

piece of code that does it for me. piece of code that does it for me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So for those kind of little elementary >> So for those kind of little elementary >> So for those kind of little elementary things fantastic but when you want to things fantastic but when you want to things fantastic but when you want to architect a system and make this system architect a system and make this system architect a system and make this system progressively with modules and assemble progressively with modules and assemble progressively with modules and assemble these modules it sucks at that. Yeah, these modules it sucks at that. Yeah, these modules it sucks at that. Yeah, you know the reason like when I was I you know the reason like when I was I you know the reason like when I was I don't know a couple few months ago when don't know a couple few months ago when don't know a couple few months ago when I was I was using claude and I wanted to I was I was using claude and I wanted to I was I was using claude and I wanted to build an agentic framework you know build an agentic framework you know build an agentic framework you know where you'd have a supervisor and where you'd have a supervisor and where you'd have a supervisor and >> yeah and the reason over the course of >> yeah and the reason over the course of >> yeah and the reason over the course of just you it was just a day but you know just you it was just a day but you know just you it was just a day but you know it was one day go yeah I've already it was one day go yeah I've already it was one day go yeah I've already built three versions and they keep built three versions and they keep built three versions and they keep getting better and better of this aente getting better and better of this aente getting better and better of this aente framework but the other reason why framework but the other reason why framework but the other reason why there's three versions is cuz when I there's three versions is cuz when I there's three versions is cuz when I needed to change course and things and needed to change course and things and needed to change course and things and update it it had to start all over again update it it had to start all over again update it it had to start all over again >> totally >> totally >> totally >> and you're telling it leave everything >> and you're telling it leave everything >> and you're telling it leave everything the same except blah blah blah blah blah the same except blah blah blah blah blah the same except blah blah blah blah blah you know but it regenerates the whole you know but it regenerates the whole you know but it regenerates the whole thing and then you thing and then you thing and then you >> and it doesn't work very well >> and it doesn't work very well >> and it doesn't work very well >> as it was less sophisticated you had to >> as it was less sophisticated you had to >> as it was less sophisticated you had to understand where the classes were and understand where the classes were and understand where the classes were and where and so I'm like manually putting where and so I'm like manually putting where and so I'm like manually putting those into Visual Studio and putting those into Visual Studio and putting those into Visual Studio and putting them the right place it keeps getting them the right place it keeps getting them the right place it keeps getting better though better though better though >> um but uh and again I don't vibe code I >> um but uh and again I don't vibe code I >> um but uh and again I don't vibe code I know you know I'm guiding it really know you know I'm guiding it really know you know I'm guiding it really specifically and telling it what tech to specifically and telling it what tech to specifically and telling it what tech to use and how to do things at a really use and how to do things at a really use and how to do things at a really discreet level um so that it's discreet level um so that it's discreet level um so that it's maintainable, right?

maintainable, right? maintainable, right? >> That's why it's not a fair question cuz >> That's why it's not a fair question cuz >> That's why it's not a fair question cuz he knows what he's doing. Most people he knows what he's doing. Most people he knows what he's doing. Most people that are being told the vibe code don't that are being told the vibe code don't that are being told the vibe code don't know what the freaking hell they're know what the freaking hell they're know what the freaking hell they're doing and you have these uh no code guys doing and you have these uh no code guys doing and you have these uh no code guys going out and trying to give the going out and trying to give the going out and trying to give the impression that you don't have to test impression that you don't have to test impression that you don't have to test anything. This thing spits out what you anything. This thing spits out what you anything. This thing spits out what you want and you know that's the most toxic want and you know that's the most toxic want and you know that's the most toxic thing that anyone can say. So, you know, thing that anyone can say. So, you know, thing that anyone can say. So, you know, the vendors who listen uh to IoT Coffee the vendors who listen uh to IoT Coffee the vendors who listen uh to IoT Coffee Talk, take note of it. Don't don't you Talk, take note of it. Don't don't you Talk, take note of it. Don't don't you know if you ever put that kind of crap know if you ever put that kind of crap know if you ever put that kind of crap in front of our faces or even or at in front of our faces or even or at in front of our faces or even or at least me say that, dude, I will I will least me say that, dude, I will I will least me say that, dude, I will I will take you to town. I will eviscerate you. take you to town. I will eviscerate you. take you to town. I will eviscerate you. That that is ultimately irresponsible. That that is ultimately irresponsible. That that is ultimately irresponsible. You don't You don't You don't >> [ __ ] that you can't deliver on is >> [ __ ] that you can't deliver on is >> [ __ ] that you can't deliver on is exactly something you cannot deliver on. exactly something you cannot deliver on. exactly something you cannot deliver on. And so, you know, I I'm just getting And so, you know, I I'm just getting And so, you know, I I'm just getting sick of the nonsense. You know what I'm sick of the nonsense. You know what I'm sick of the nonsense. You know what I'm saying? Cuz I have saying? Cuz I have saying? Cuz I have >> sick of it. If not, now you're going to >> sick of it. If not, now you're going to >> sick of it. If not, now you're going to in two more years doing your stuff, in two more years doing your stuff, in two more years doing your stuff, you're going to get sick of it.

you're going to get sick of it. you're going to get sick of it. >> Well, there's another trend in vibe >> Well, there's another trend in vibe >> Well, there's another trend in vibe coding, Leon, that you may have not coding, Leon, that you may have not coding, Leon, that you may have not heard of, which is the the opposite of heard of, which is the the opposite of heard of, which is the the opposite of what you say, which is say you actually what you say, which is say you actually what you say, which is say you actually write the the prompts for the testing write the the prompts for the testing write the the prompts for the testing and then you ask it to generate until and then you ask it to generate until and then you ask it to generate until the test pass. the test pass. the test pass. >> Oh, I heard that. Yeah, that >> Oh, I heard that. Yeah, that >> Oh, I heard that. Yeah, that >> you know what though, let me >> you know what though, let me >> you know what though, let me >> think about the brute force stupid >> think about the brute force stupid >> think about the brute force stupid approach. approach. approach. >> I would not say I mean you may have had >> I would not say I mean you may have had >> I would not say I mean you may have had in individual discussions about like in individual discussions about like in individual discussions about like we're already at the end of vibe coding we're already at the end of vibe coding we're already at the end of vibe coding or people think it's crazy. We're barely or people think it's crazy. We're barely or people think it's crazy. We're barely at the beginning of vibe coding, man. at the beginning of vibe coding, man. at the beginning of vibe coding, man. People that's taken off in a huge way. People that's taken off in a huge way. People that's taken off in a huge way. I'm not saying it's good, but people all I'm not saying it's good, but people all I'm not saying it's good, but people all over the place just discovered that they over the place just discovered that they over the place just discovered that they now have superpowers and they're vibe now have superpowers and they're vibe now have superpowers and they're vibe coding their way and they're tell but coding their way and they're tell but coding their way and they're tell but it's a black box. They don't know how to it's a black box. They don't know how to it's a black box. They don't know how to manage or update it or do anything with manage or update it or do anything with manage or update it or do anything with it. what what and who knows you know it. what what and who knows you know it. what what and who knows you know it's written in Python or it's written it's written in Python or it's written it's written in Python or it's written in C or who knows or NodeJS in C or who knows or NodeJS in C or who knows or NodeJS >> if we are lucky Rob all these v coders >> if we are lucky Rob all these v coders >> if we are lucky Rob all these v coders will move into a massive uh physical will move into a massive uh physical will move into a massive uh physical community somewhere right and then community somewhere right and then community somewhere right and then they'll vibe code you know some medicine they'll vibe code you know some medicine they'll vibe code you know some medicine and then we won't hear from them again and then we won't hear from them again and then we won't hear from them again >> cuz they'll take their medicine that >> cuz they'll take their medicine that >> cuz they'll take their medicine that they vibe coded they vibe coded they vibe coded >> hey try this >> hey try this >> hey try this >> yeah just just the Just the word vibe >> yeah just just the Just the word vibe >> yeah just just the Just the word vibe just makes people think, "Oh, I can do just makes people think, "Oh, I can do just makes people think, "Oh, I can do that. This is so cool. I love that that. This is so cool. I love that that. This is so cool. I love that name."

name." name." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's >> It's >> It's all I know is that people who are huge all I know is that people who are huge all I know is that people who are huge advocates like evangelists of this stuff advocates like evangelists of this stuff advocates like evangelists of this stuff are backtracking. That that's the are backtracking. That that's the are backtracking. That that's the observation I want to put out there. And observation I want to put out there. And observation I want to put out there. And I also know a lot of vendors who are I also know a lot of vendors who are I also know a lot of vendors who are being forced to if they're not doing it being forced to if they're not doing it being forced to if they're not doing it from the marketing perspective, their from the marketing perspective, their from the marketing perspective, their engineers are wanting to backtrack all engineers are wanting to backtrack all engineers are wanting to backtrack all of the things that the executives are of the things that the executives are of the things that the executives are saying because it's dangerous, right? Uh saying because it's dangerous, right? Uh saying because it's dangerous, right? Uh and then you know when you hear this and then you know when you hear this and then you know when you hear this from engineers who actually know what from engineers who actually know what from engineers who actually know what the hell they're doing, you know that the hell they're doing, you know that the hell they're doing, you know that whatever the marketing team is saying is whatever the marketing team is saying is whatever the marketing team is saying is wrong, right? And that whatever you're wrong, right? And that whatever you're wrong, right? And that whatever you're hearing in the press and you're hearing hearing in the press and you're hearing hearing in the press and you're hearing from analysts, some analysts who sit from analysts, some analysts who sit from analysts, some analysts who sit there and don't vet don't, you know, there and don't vet don't, you know, there and don't vet don't, you know, they probably never managed the they probably never managed the they probably never managed the development team, never coded in their development team, never coded in their development team, never coded in their life talking about about the stuff like life talking about about the stuff like life talking about about the stuff like it's faking magic that that's that's it's faking magic that that's that's it's faking magic that that's that's what I'm observing. what I'm observing. what I'm observing. Well, but we we heard recently from I Well, but we we heard recently from I Well, but we we heard recently from I think from both Microsoft and Salesforce think from both Microsoft and Salesforce think from both Microsoft and Salesforce that I mean they claim now or even that I mean they claim now or even that I mean they claim now or even Oracle that 20% or at least more of Oracle that 20% or at least more of Oracle that 20% or at least more of their code is actually AI generated now.

their code is actually AI generated now. their code is actually AI generated now. >> Yeah. But it >> Yeah. But it >> Yeah. But it >> but the better question is what >> but the better question is what >> but the better question is what percentage of your SDLC is automated and percentage of your SDLC is automated and percentage of your SDLC is automated and how much of the and coding code how much of the and coding code how much of the and coding code generation which phase of it is it code generation which phase of it is it code generation which phase of it is it code complete or is it like a single pass complete or is it like a single pass complete or is it like a single pass code completion or is it an adaptation code completion or is it an adaptation code completion or is it an adaptation of uh your SLSDLC and it's introducing of uh your SLSDLC and it's introducing of uh your SLSDLC and it's introducing some form of like automation or code some form of like automation or code some form of like automation or code generation but I I I I totally hear you. generation but I I I I totally hear you. generation but I I I I totally hear you. >> You cannot abandon the SDLC. >> You cannot abandon the SDLC. >> You cannot abandon the SDLC. >> What you're going to do is you're going >> What you're going to do is you're going >> What you're going to do is you're going to adapt it, not even re-engineer it. to adapt it, not even re-engineer it. to adapt it, not even re-engineer it. You're going to adapt it for some You're going to adapt it for some You're going to adapt it for some elements of vibe coding or whatever kind elements of vibe coding or whatever kind elements of vibe coding or whatever kind of generative AI augmented of generative AI augmented of generative AI augmented um you know coding and testing and um you know coding and testing and um you know coding and testing and testing, right? So, uh it it it doesn't testing, right? So, uh it it it doesn't testing, right? So, uh it it it doesn't magically take you from idea to finished magically take you from idea to finished magically take you from idea to finished safe code. far. safe code. far. safe code. far. >> I totally hear you that. But the thing >> I totally hear you that. But the thing >> I totally hear you that. But the thing that I'm saying is that and I think it's that I'm saying is that and I think it's that I'm saying is that and I think it's the up to a point where it's almost the up to a point where it's almost the up to a point where it's almost criminal is when you hear those big CEOs criminal is when you hear those big CEOs criminal is when you hear those big CEOs from big companies saying I'm saving from big companies saying I'm saving from big companies saying I'm saving 20%. What the other here is, oh 20% is 20%. What the other here is, oh 20% is 20%. What the other here is, oh 20% is generated by AI which means I can get generated by AI which means I can get generated by AI which means I can get rid of 20% of my programmers and I'm rid of 20% of my programmers and I'm rid of 20% of my programmers and I'm going to do that as well. So everybody going to do that as well. So everybody going to do that as well. So everybody follows without asking the question that follows without asking the question that follows without asking the question that you are asking where is it injected? How you are asking where is it injected? How you are asking where is it injected? How does it work? So because again investors does it work? So because again investors does it work? So because again investors are looking for the return on investment are looking for the return on investment are looking for the return on investment they don't care about this level of

they don't care about this level of they don't care about this level of details they don't details they don't details they don't >> when I hear by >> when I hear by >> when I hear by >> sorry Rob I was the I mean obviously you >> sorry Rob I was the I mean obviously you >> sorry Rob I was the I mean obviously you know the non the the non-technical know the non the the non-technical know the non the the non-technical smartypants here we got to talk about smartypants here we got to talk about smartypants here we got to talk about this whole vibe coding also in the this whole vibe coding also in the this whole vibe coding also in the context of the economic situation that context of the economic situation that context of the economic situation that we're in. Here's the thing man call it we're in. Here's the thing man call it we're in. Here's the thing man call it whatever you want to call it. every whatever you want to call it. every whatever you want to call it. every executive out there is out to deliver executive out there is out to deliver executive out there is out to deliver shortterm gains in any way, shape, or shortterm gains in any way, shape, or shortterm gains in any way, shape, or form. form. form. >> My point. Yeah. >> My point. Yeah. >> My point. Yeah. >> So, if if if it's vibe coding or some >> So, if if if it's vibe coding or some >> So, if if if it's vibe coding or some other coding or or or mushrooms or good other coding or or or mushrooms or good other coding or or or mushrooms or good pot from the Northwest, whatever pot from the Northwest, whatever pot from the Northwest, whatever whatever the thing is that I can whatever the thing is that I can whatever the thing is that I can eliminate people because some magic is eliminate people because some magic is eliminate people because some magic is going to happen. That's what's going to happen. That's what's going to happen. That's what's happening. Because when you look at comp happening. Because when you look at comp happening. Because when you look at comp across again pick a company we have a across again pick a company we have a across again pick a company we have a incredibly shortterm incredibly shortterm incredibly shortterm view view view >> and it's it's not what you deliver it's >> and it's it's not what you deliver it's >> and it's it's not what you deliver it's not what you deliver in 10 years is what not what you deliver in 10 years is what not what you deliver in 10 years is what are you doing for me this quarter and are you doing for me this quarter and are you doing for me this quarter and then the next quarter. So is it that then the next quarter. So is it that then the next quarter. So is it that vibe coding is good or bad vibe coding is good or bad vibe coding is good or bad doesn't matter. I'm not even trying to doesn't matter. I'm not even trying to doesn't matter. I'm not even trying to answer that is that if I can leverage answer that is that if I can leverage answer that is that if I can leverage any of these hype things from, you know, any of these hype things from, you know, any of these hype things from, you know, AGI to MCP to VIP coding to say that I'm AGI to MCP to VIP coding to say that I'm AGI to MCP to VIP coding to say that I'm going to leverage these things to fire a going to leverage these things to fire a going to leverage these things to fire a bunch of people. That's what I'm going

bunch of people. That's what I'm going bunch of people. That's what I'm going to do. to do. to do. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> As simple as that. I was saying in the >> As simple as that. I was saying in the >> As simple as that. I was saying in the >> That's what I was saying in the very >> That's what I was saying in the very >> That's what I was saying in the very beginning. I think it's going to have beginning. I think it's going to have beginning. I think it's going to have another interesting effect. I would be another interesting effect. I would be another interesting effect. I would be interested to uh because you follow interested to uh because you follow interested to uh because you follow probably that better than others Leonard probably that better than others Leonard probably that better than others Leonard but I I have seen signs so I don't have but I I have seen signs so I don't have but I I have seen signs so I don't have the real you know complete evidence but the real you know complete evidence but the real you know complete evidence but I have seen signs that actually those I have seen signs that actually those I have seen signs that actually those countries where we used to outsource countries where we used to outsource countries where we used to outsource code development is now starting to lose code development is now starting to lose code development is now starting to lose businesses because they are replaced by businesses because they are replaced by businesses because they are replaced by vibe coding because you'd rather have vibe coding because you'd rather have vibe coding because you'd rather have somebody instead of outsourcing your somebody instead of outsourcing your somebody instead of outsourcing your development in India or in Vietnam you development in India or in Vietnam you development in India or in Vietnam you now say hey I'm going to keep an now say hey I'm going to keep an now say hey I'm going to keep an engineer in the US but he's going to engineer in the US but he's going to engineer in the US but he's going to vibe code and I don't need to use those vibe code and I don't need to use those vibe code and I don't need to use those guys anymore. So it might touch the law guys anymore. So it might touch the law guys anymore. So it might touch the law the the outsourcing developers ecosystem the the outsourcing developers ecosystem the the outsourcing developers ecosystem as well in a quite dramatic way and as well in a quite dramatic way and as well in a quite dramatic way and again I've only seen a couple of signs again I've only seen a couple of signs again I've only seen a couple of signs of that. I don't see evidence but I of that. I don't see evidence but I of that. I don't see evidence but I think that's an interesting area to think that's an interesting area to think that's an interesting area to watch because deep can impact those watch because deep can impact those watch because deep can impact those outsourcing services significantly outsourcing services significantly outsourcing services significantly >> but another another way of looking at is >> but another another way of looking at is >> but another another way of looking at is uh vibe coding and um genai coding tools uh vibe coding and um genai coding tools uh vibe coding and um genai coding tools uh enable that and so you know here's uh enable that and so you know here's uh enable that and so you know here's the thing you still have to have the the thing you still have to have the the thing you still have to have the person you have to have competency and person you have to have competency and person you have to have competency and that's going to be missing from anyone that's going to be missing from anyone that's going to be missing from anyone who is not a developer right And um who is not a developer right And um who is not a developer right And um irregardless of whether irregardless of whether irregardless of whether >> what >> what >> what >> did you say? Ireardless.

>> did you say? Ireardless. >> did you say? Ireardless. >> Yes, he did. Yes, he did. What a pet >> Yes, he did. Yes, he did. What a pet >> Yes, he did. Yes, he did. What a pet peeve. Come on, man. Speak English peeve. Come on, man. Speak English peeve. Come on, man. Speak English >> regardless. >> regardless. >> regardless. >> America, speak English. >> America, speak English. >> America, speak English. >> Just twist the knife. >> Just twist the knife. >> Just twist the knife. >> Can I add some levity? >> Can I add some levity? >> Can I add some levity? >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> When I think of vibe coding, you know, >> When I think of vibe coding, you know, >> When I think of vibe coding, you know, we often talk like idiocracy, but we often talk like idiocracy, but we often talk like idiocracy, but obviously, you know, the greatest Mike obviously, you know, the greatest Mike obviously, you know, the greatest Mike Judge movie ever is Office Space. Judge movie ever is Office Space. Judge movie ever is Office Space. And um do you remember like when um you And um do you remember like when um you And um do you remember like when um you know they accidentally changed the code know they accidentally changed the code know they accidentally changed the code to make money and it made too much to make money and it made too much to make money and it made too much money? Um and then now they're like how money? Um and then now they're like how money? Um and then now they're like how do we launder money? do we launder money? do we launder money? >> And the guy comes to the door at their >> And the guy comes to the door at their >> And the guy comes to the door at their apartment and he's selling Vibe magazine apartment and he's selling Vibe magazine apartment and he's selling Vibe magazine subscriptions. But then they go, "Do you know how to But then they go, "Do you know how to launder money?" launder money?" launder money?" And and and in the end, you know, I the And and and in the end, you know, I the And and and in the end, you know, I the takeaway is Yeah. All I know is we went takeaway is Yeah. All I know is we went takeaway is Yeah. All I know is we went down that road. I now I've got like 50 down that road. I now I've got like 50 down that road. I now I've got like 50 subscriptions to Vibe magazine subscriptions to Vibe magazine subscriptions to Vibe magazine so that the guy won't tell on us.

so that the guy won't tell on us. so that the guy won't tell on us. >> Well, it's because they did not >> Well, it's because they did not >> Well, it's because they did not understand the first principles of the understand the first principles of the understand the first principles of the original scam. So once that changed original scam. So once that changed original scam. So once that changed clueless clueless clueless >> they were think they were thinking of >> they were think they were thinking of >> they were think they were thinking of Superman 3 and you know I just make that Superman 3 and you know I just make that Superman 3 and you know I just make that we're just going to take like a quarter we're just going to take like a quarter we're just going to take like a quarter of a penny rounding errors after every of a penny rounding errors after every of a penny rounding errors after every it might take years to make a lot of it might take years to make a lot of it might take years to make a lot of money and no one will ever notice and money and no one will ever notice and money and no one will ever notice and then of course they find out the next then of course they find out the next then of course they find out the next day it's already gotten them $300,000. day it's already gotten them $300,000. day it's already gotten them $300,000. >> Yes. and a shout a shout out to the >> Yes. and a shout a shout out to the >> Yes. and a shout a shout out to the penny and thank you for 200 and penny and thank you for 200 and penny and thank you for 200 and something years of service. We salute something years of service. We salute something years of service. We salute you. You are done. Uh for those folks you. You are done. Uh for those folks you. You are done. Uh for those folks >> watching us from outside of the US and >> watching us from outside of the US and >> watching us from outside of the US and other nearby galaxies and planets, the other nearby galaxies and planets, the other nearby galaxies and planets, the United States Mint stopped the United States Mint stopped the United States Mint stopped the production of the penny, our one cent production of the penny, our one cent production of the penny, our one cent coin, earlier this week. Uh it is it is coin, earlier this week. Uh it is it is coin, earlier this week. Uh it is it is done. So watch out nickels and dimes. done. So watch out nickels and dimes. done. So watch out nickels and dimes. Yeah. I think that it means they Yeah. I think that it means they Yeah. I think that it means they eliminate the pity, but it costs a eliminate the pity, but it costs a eliminate the pity, but it costs a billion dollars to do it.

billion dollars to do it. billion dollars to do it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, if you have like a big jar full of >> So, if you have like a big jar full of >> So, if you have like a big jar full of pennies, will they take it now to make pennies, will they take it now to make pennies, will they take it now to make money or is it use worthless? money or is it use worthless? money or is it use worthless? >> Well, here is here is an idea. Let's >> Well, here is here is an idea. Let's >> Well, here is here is an idea. Let's recover all the pennies and use them to recover all the pennies and use them to recover all the pennies and use them to back up Bitcoin. >> It's just as >> It's just as good. good. good. >> Problem solved. >> Problem solved. >> Problem solved. >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm telling you, you need to >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm telling you, you need to >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm telling you, you need to do Pudgy Penguins. I think they're up 1% do Pudgy Penguins. I think they're up 1% do Pudgy Penguins. I think they're up 1% today. Totally legit memecoin that you today. Totally legit memecoin that you today. Totally legit memecoin that you could do something uh for your pennies. could do something uh for your pennies. could do something uh for your pennies. >> Well, all the stores and all the >> Well, all the stores and all the >> Well, all the stores and all the accounting software now have to accounting software now have to accounting software now have to completely change because completely change because completely change because now you have to round up or down to the now you have to round up or down to the now you have to round up or down to the next next next >> nomination, right? >> nomination, right? >> nomination, right? >> No, no, no. Round up, Debbie. >> No, no, no. Round up, Debbie. >> No, no, no. Round up, Debbie. >> Round up down. Round up. >> Round up down. Round up. >> Round up down. Round up. >> Here's another problem. Here's another >> Here's another problem. Here's another >> Here's another problem. Here's another and you guys can laugh if you want, but and you guys can laugh if you want, but and you guys can laugh if you want, but Miss Reynolds just gave us a simple Miss Reynolds just gave us a simple Miss Reynolds just gave us a simple mathematical thing. Round up, round mathematical thing. Round up, round mathematical thing. Round up, round down. If it's, you know, three, you do down. If it's, you know, three, you do down. If it's, you know, three, you do go one way. You know, the situ the the go one way. You know, the situ the the go one way. You know, the situ the the awkward moments this is going to create awkward moments this is going to create awkward moments this is going to create at retail stores all over the country at retail stores all over the country at retail stores all over the country >> when someone has to do that. Oh, wait.

>> when someone has to do that. Oh, wait. >> when someone has to do that. Oh, wait. It's 18, you know, 93. It's 18, you know, 93. It's 18, you know, 93. Wait, which which way is up? Which way Wait, which which way is up? Which way Wait, which which way is up? Which way is down? is down? is down? >> You know what it's going to do? It's >> You know what it's going to do? It's >> You know what it's going to do? It's going to force it's going to encourage going to force it's going to encourage going to force it's going to encourage digital payment, right? And so maybe digital payment, right? And so maybe digital payment, right? And so maybe that's I don't know for better or worse that's I don't know for better or worse that's I don't know for better or worse the outcome. the outcome. the outcome. >> You know what's do you know what's worse >> You know what's do you know what's worse >> You know what's do you know what's worse than the words than the words than the words round down round down round down >> down round? >> down round? >> down round? >> If you're a startup person or a VC, you >> If you're a startup person or a VC, you >> If you're a startup person or a VC, you know what that means. know what that means. know what that means. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay, there you go. >> Yeah. Okay, there you go. >> Yeah. Okay, there you go. >> All right. Say no to down rounds. >> All right. Say no to down rounds. >> All right. Say no to down rounds. >> This is This is why it's only going to >> This is This is why it's only going to >> This is This is why it's only going to be round up. I'm telling you. be round up. I'm telling you. be round up. I'm telling you. >> Exactly. Have you noticed the stock >> Exactly. Have you noticed the stock >> Exactly. Have you noticed the stock market just getting slaughtered the last market just getting slaughtered the last market just getting slaughtered the last couple of days? couple of days? couple of days? >> Oh my god. Hold on. Hold on. Hey, >> Oh my god. Hold on. Hold on. Hey, >> Oh my god. Hold on. Hold on. Hey, >> so here is the answer. Round up. Round >> so here is the answer. Round up. Round >> so here is the answer. Round up. Round up the pennies. up the pennies. up the pennies. >> Remember, we're here just having fun. Uh >> Remember, we're here just having fun. Uh >> Remember, we're here just having fun. Uh don't take any advice from us at all. Uh don't take any advice from us at all. Uh don't take any advice from us at all. Uh you know, take us seriously at your own you know, take us seriously at your own you know, take us seriously at your own peril. So now proceed.

peril. So now proceed. peril. So now proceed. >> And and if you're still using Roundup >> And and if you're still using Roundup >> And and if you're still using Roundup for your weeds, you might want to Google for your weeds, you might want to Google for your weeds, you might want to Google something about something about something about >> carets. Don't use Roundup for mouthwash. >> carets. Don't use Roundup for mouthwash. >> carets. Don't use Roundup for mouthwash. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, I was I was in Helsinki, >> You know, I was I was in Helsinki, >> You know, I was I was in Helsinki, Finland Finland Finland illegal in Europe. There's a reason for illegal in Europe. There's a reason for illegal in Europe. There's a reason for that. that. that. >> I went to Helsinki >> I went to Helsinki >> I went to Helsinki Finland Finland Finland >> and uh I didn't see a coin, a bill, >> and uh I didn't see a coin, a bill, >> and uh I didn't see a coin, a bill, anything. Everything was anything. Everything was anything. Everything was electronic payments. electronic payments. electronic payments. >> It was cool, >> It was cool, >> It was cool, >> you know, but I guess you know them. So >> you know, but I guess you know them. So >> you know, but I guess you know them. So they were always striving to be a they were always striving to be a they were always striving to be a cashless society. And I will say that cashless society. And I will say that cashless society. And I will say that they have succeeded. they have succeeded. they have succeeded. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Except when the taxi driver tells you >> Except when the taxi driver tells you >> Except when the taxi driver tells you that his credit card machine doesn't that his credit card machine doesn't that his credit card machine doesn't work and you have to pay him cash and work and you have to pay him cash and work and you have to pay him cash and then you go back home were and you were then you go back home were and you were then you go back home were and you were actually also debited on your credit actually also debited on your credit actually also debited on your credit card. card. card. >> But you know what? See, we start >> But you know what? See, we start >> But you know what? See, we start >> happened to me in Finland. I love >> happened to me in Finland. I love >> happened to me in Finland. I love Finland, don't get me wrong. I've been Finland, don't get me wrong. I've been Finland, don't get me wrong. I've been there twice, but it happened to me. So, there twice, but it happened to me. So, there twice, but it happened to me. So, the taxi drivers are [ __ ] everywhere the taxi drivers are [ __ ] everywhere the taxi drivers are [ __ ] everywhere in the world, even in the best country.

in the world, even in the best country. in the world, even in the best country. >> Well, we went, you know, we start off >> Well, we went, you know, we start off >> Well, we went, you know, we start off with crypto uh moving to these um with crypto uh moving to these um with crypto uh moving to these um digital payment platforms. digital payment platforms. digital payment platforms. That might be a better way of uh you That might be a better way of uh you That might be a better way of uh you know, being able to uh introduce know, being able to uh introduce know, being able to uh introduce transparency into crypto, right? So that transparency into crypto, right? So that transparency into crypto, right? So that >> that actually is a positive thing. >> that actually is a positive thing. >> that actually is a positive thing. >> Do you think it and this is a question >> Do you think it and this is a question >> Do you think it and this is a question whether it's positive? So those of us of whether it's positive? So those of us of whether it's positive? So those of us of certain age except Debbie who's like 28 certain age except Debbie who's like 28 certain age except Debbie who's like 28 um because we've grown up with physical um because we've grown up with physical um because we've grown up with physical money and you have to count and make money and you have to count and make money and you have to count and make change and take change and whatnot. I change and take change and whatnot. I change and take change and whatnot. I think it was it's it's been very easy to think it was it's it's been very easy to think it was it's it's been very easy to just use plastic or digital payments cuz just use plastic or digital payments cuz just use plastic or digital payments cuz you know we did it the old way now we're you know we did it the old way now we're you know we did it the old way now we're doing it this way. But what about, you doing it this way. But what about, you doing it this way. But what about, you know, generations that won't know what know, generations that won't know what know, generations that won't know what physical uh payments are? Like, I don't physical uh payments are? Like, I don't physical uh payments are? Like, I don't know. Is there any Now, now I'm going to know. Is there any Now, now I'm going to know. Is there any Now, now I'm going to go do some Finland research. Is there go do some Finland research. Is there go do some Finland research. Is there any good or bad? Cuz, you know, history any good or bad? Cuz, you know, history any good or bad? Cuz, you know, history repeats itself. So, is has digitizing repeats itself. So, is has digitizing repeats itself. So, is has digitizing the money been a good thing for the money been a good thing for the money been a good thing for humanity? Oh, we don't know the answer humanity? Oh, we don't know the answer humanity? Oh, we don't know the answer for that yet.

for that yet. for that yet. >> After the EMP, it's going to suck. you're gonna be looking for all those you're gonna be looking for all those pennies. pennies. pennies. >> Well, you know, >> Well, you know, >> Well, you know, >> when I works there is that uh also >> when I works there is that uh also >> when I works there is that uh also people in Finland have a lot of trust in people in Finland have a lot of trust in people in Finland have a lot of trust in their government. So, I think we have a their government. So, I think we have a their government. So, I think we have a lot of mistrust lot of mistrust lot of mistrust here. So, people like, "Wait a minute, I here. So, people like, "Wait a minute, I here. So, people like, "Wait a minute, I want to keep this, you know, barrel of want to keep this, you know, barrel of want to keep this, you know, barrel of money under my bed." And they're going money under my bed." And they're going money under my bed." And they're going to be a lot of penny hoarders now to be a lot of penny hoarders now to be a lot of penny hoarders now because of this uh penny thing. You because of this uh penny thing. You because of this uh penny thing. You know, you know how it goes. know, you know how it goes. know, you know how it goes. >> I I have a lot of pennies. Yeah, I mean um I I think it's again Yeah, I mean um I I think it's again going back to the transparency bit. It's going back to the transparency bit. It's going back to the transparency bit. It's going to be uncomfortable for people who going to be uncomfortable for people who going to be uncomfortable for people who want to hide hide their business want to hide hide their business want to hide hide their business transactions. So um and again when you transactions. So um and again when you transactions. So um and again when you have payments being accepted by trusted have payments being accepted by trusted have payments being accepted by trusted quote unquote trusted payment platforms quote unquote trusted payment platforms quote unquote trusted payment platforms then it doesn't matter that you have then it doesn't matter that you have then it doesn't matter that you have Bitcoin underneath. And so that you know Bitcoin underneath. And so that you know Bitcoin underneath. And so that you know um that can create friction for cryptos um that can create friction for cryptos um that can create friction for cryptos which I think is a good thing. Um I which I think is a good thing. Um I which I think is a good thing. Um I think people if they want to use crypto think people if they want to use crypto think people if they want to use crypto in purchasing things they need to in purchasing things they need to in purchasing things they need to convert it into fiat you know and if you convert it into fiat you know and if you convert it into fiat you know and if you can force that that's a good thing then can force that that's a good thing then can force that that's a good thing then you can track it and then you can you can track it and then you can you can track it and then you can determine whether or not there's determine whether or not there's determine whether or not there's criminality happening and the value of criminality happening and the value of criminality happening and the value of the crypto itself in terms of being a

the crypto itself in terms of being a the crypto itself in terms of being a media uh you know medium of u value media uh you know medium of u value media uh you know medium of u value transfer can be pretty dramatically transfer can be pretty dramatically transfer can be pretty dramatically reduced, right? That motion would be reduced, right? That motion would be reduced, right? That motion would be negative for uh the value of crypto, negative for uh the value of crypto, negative for uh the value of crypto, right? right? right? >> Yeah. I just think of Hal Hullbrook and >> Yeah. I just think of Hal Hullbrook and >> Yeah. I just think of Hal Hullbrook and Wall Street, you know, too much cheap Wall Street, you know, too much cheap Wall Street, you know, too much cheap money floating around, you know, that's money floating around, you know, that's money floating around, you know, that's what when got off the gold standard at what when got off the gold standard at what when got off the gold standard at 72, man. 72, man. 72, man. It's all been downhill. Yeah. It's all been downhill. Yeah. It's all been downhill. Yeah. >> Yeah. All right, but Fox, >> Yeah. All right, but Fox, >> Yeah. All right, but Fox, >> I'm waiting for NFTTS to come back in >> I'm waiting for NFTTS to come back in >> I'm waiting for NFTTS to come back in fashion. fashion. fashion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Hey, I did watch um gosh, you know, >> Hey, I did watch um gosh, you know, >> Hey, I did watch um gosh, you know, speaking of Bud Fox, you know, I did I speaking of Bud Fox, you know, I did I speaking of Bud Fox, you know, I did I did watch the uh Charlie Sheen did watch the uh Charlie Sheen did watch the uh Charlie Sheen documentary on Netflix. documentary on Netflix. documentary on Netflix. >> Oh my god, they did a Charlie Sheen >> Oh my god, they did a Charlie Sheen >> Oh my god, they did a Charlie Sheen documentary. I can't believe that. documentary. I can't believe that. documentary. I can't believe that. >> I think I think he had to make it >> I think I think he had to make it >> I think I think he had to make it himself. It's got Sean Penn. It's got himself. It's got Sean Penn. It's got himself. It's got Sean Penn. It's got everybody who he destroyed in his life everybody who he destroyed in his life everybody who he destroyed in his life is in it, you know.

is in it, you know. is in it, you know. >> It's actually really interesting. The >> It's actually really interesting. The >> It's actually really interesting. The guy had so much going for him and he guy had so much going for him and he guy had so much going for him and he still found a way to keep screwing still found a way to keep screwing still found a way to keep screwing things up. things up. things up. >> Winning. >> Winning. >> Winning. >> Tiger blood. >> Tiger blood. >> Tiger blood. >> Yes. They go through the whole thing, >> Yes. They go through the whole thing, >> Yes. They go through the whole thing, man. It's It's actually It's interesting man. It's It's actually It's interesting man. It's It's actually It's interesting if you're into pop culture and whatever. if you're into pop culture and whatever. if you're into pop culture and whatever. >> Ailio Est in it. >> Ailio Est in it. >> Ailio Est in it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I I'll watch it. I'll watch it. >> I I'll watch it. I'll watch it. >> I I'll watch it. I'll watch it. >> Yeah. He's not in it because he they >> Yeah. He's not in it because he they >> Yeah. He's not in it because he they would he wouldn't comment, right? would he wouldn't comment, right? would he wouldn't comment, right? >> But they showed him. But you're right. >> But they showed him. But you're right. >> But they showed him. But you're right. He didn't he didn't he was not He didn't he didn't he was not He didn't he didn't he was not interviewed actively. Um, I would have interviewed actively. Um, I would have interviewed actively. Um, I would have watched it if he was in it. watched it if he was in it. watched it if he was in it. >> It's It's good. It's good. But you're >> It's It's good. It's good. But you're >> It's It's good. It's good. But you're right. You got Talk about someone who right. You got Talk about someone who right. You got Talk about someone who just had so much going for him, you just had so much going for him, you just had so much going for him, you know, and really just couldn't get out know, and really just couldn't get out know, and really just couldn't get out of his own way. Um, of his own way. Um, of his own way. Um, >> well, you know, I hope that so Charlie >> well, you know, I hope that so Charlie >> well, you know, I hope that so Charlie Sheen along with um Sheen along with um Sheen along with um um with the guys with from the Rolling um with the guys with from the Rolling um with the guys with from the Rolling Stones and and and uh and Osborne, we Stones and and and uh and Osborne, we Stones and and and uh and Osborne, we really need to examine those bodies so really need to examine those bodies so really need to examine those bodies so that science can really understand that science can really understand that science can really understand can pump so many drugs and alcohol and can pump so many drugs and alcohol and can pump so many drugs and alcohol and and the lifestyle and still make it.

and the lifestyle and still make it. and the lifestyle and still make it. >> I >> I >> I need we need data. need we need data. need we need data. >> Yeah, that's pretty. >> Yeah, that's pretty. >> Yeah, that's pretty. >> I agree with that. >> I agree with that. >> I agree with that. >> Sean Penn believes that Charlie Sheen's >> Sean Penn believes that Charlie Sheen's >> Sean Penn believes that Charlie Sheen's like biological makeup is different than like biological makeup is different than like biological makeup is different than other humans because because he should other humans because because he should other humans because because he should have died many times. have died many times. have died many times. >> Well, he should have died. >> Well, he should have died. >> Well, he should have died. >> Yeah. You know, he did so much >> Yeah. You know, he did so much >> Yeah. You know, he did so much >> done to did to himself. Yeah. >> done to did to himself. Yeah. >> done to did to himself. Yeah. >> He did so much crap. >> He did so much crap. >> He did so much crap. >> If you're winning, if you're winning, >> If you're winning, if you're winning, >> If you're winning, if you're winning, you're not going anywhere. you're not going anywhere. you're not going anywhere. >> Well, when he did I guess when he had >> Well, when he did I guess when he had >> Well, when he did I guess when he had done that tour or something where he was done that tour or something where he was done that tour or something where he was kind of kind of kind of >> ranting, >> ranting, >> ranting, >> it was funny cuz people were like booing >> it was funny cuz people were like booing >> it was funny cuz people were like booing him. He said, "It doesn't matter. I him. He said, "It doesn't matter. I him. He said, "It doesn't matter. I already have your money." I thought that already have your money." I thought that already have your money." I thought that was hilarious. was hilarious. was hilarious. >> You're here now. I'm paid. >> You're here now. I'm paid. >> You're here now. I'm paid. >> Expensive. That's true. >> Expensive. That's true. >> Expensive. That's true. >> Wow. But you know what? I think it also >> Wow. But you know what? I think it also >> Wow. But you know what? I think it also took certain not judging but that took took certain not judging but that took took certain not judging but that took certain kind of marketing audience to certain kind of marketing audience to certain kind of marketing audience to pay to see Charlie Sheen at that time in pay to see Charlie Sheen at that time in pay to see Charlie Sheen at that time in his life.

his life. his life. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Honest. That's what they call it. >> Honest. That's what they call it. >> Honest. That's what they call it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Well, I mean is is it is it that much >> Well, I mean is is it is it that much >> Well, I mean is is it is it that much different than Mike Tyson? different than Mike Tyson? different than Mike Tyson? >> Yeah. Well, that's true. >> Yeah. Well, that's true. >> Yeah. Well, that's true. >> Mike Tyson spent a lot of money, didn't >> Mike Tyson spent a lot of money, didn't >> Mike Tyson spent a lot of money, didn't he? Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson had a one-man he? Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson had a one-man he? Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson had a one-man show. People were dying to see show. People were dying to see show. People were dying to see that. that. that. >> I did not know this. >> I did not know this. >> I did not know this. >> You know, Mike Tyson probably has the >> You know, Mike Tyson probably has the >> You know, Mike Tyson probably has the record for buying the most Rolls-Royces, record for buying the most Rolls-Royces, record for buying the most Rolls-Royces, you know? you know? you know? >> He like had 50 of them. >> He like had 50 of them. >> He like had 50 of them. >> How do you even know this stuff, man? >> How do you even know this stuff, man? >> How do you even know this stuff, man? >> How do you not know this stuff? What >> How do you not know this stuff? What >> How do you not know this stuff? What have you been like in analystville have you been like in analystville have you been like in analystville talking about stupid things like talking about stupid things like talking about stupid things like array controllers? array controllers? array controllers? >> He's voding. He's vive co. >> He's voding. He's vive co. >> He's voding. He's vive co. >> No one's gonna remember any of that >> No one's gonna remember any of that >> No one's gonna remember any of that other obscure stuff, but they will other obscure stuff, but they will other obscure stuff, but they will remember remember remember >> Mike Tyson. >> Mike Tyson. >> Mike Tyson. >> Blood and Mike Tyson. >> Blood and Mike Tyson. >> Blood and Mike Tyson. >> Mike Tyson has one of the best quotes >> Mike Tyson has one of the best quotes >> Mike Tyson has one of the best quotes I've ever heard. I've ever heard. I've ever heard. >> Have you heard? He said, >> Have you heard? He said, >> Have you heard? He said, >> "Go for it." >> "Go for it." >> "Go for it." >> He said, "Everyone has a plan until you >> He said, "Everyone has a plan until you >> He said, "Everyone has a plan until you get hit in the face.

get hit in the face. get hit in the face. >> Punched in the back." >> Punched in the back." >> Punched in the back." >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. That is so true. That's >> That's right. That is so true. That's >> That's right. That is so true. That's like sensei level. I mean that is that like sensei level. I mean that is that like sensei level. I mean that is that is like tattooed worthy level. is like tattooed worthy level. is like tattooed worthy level. >> It is. It is. >> It is. It is. >> It is. It is. >> It is. Absolutely. No, you're so right. >> It is. Absolutely. No, you're so right. >> It is. Absolutely. No, you're so right. Do you remember when he bit Vander Do you remember when he bit Vander Do you remember when he bit Vander Holyfield's ear off? Holyfield's ear off? Holyfield's ear off? >> I remember that. >> I remember that. >> I remember that. >> That Oh, yeah. That's a great point. >> That Oh, yeah. That's a great point. >> That Oh, yeah. That's a great point. >> Everybody remembers that. >> Everybody remembers that. >> Everybody remembers that. >> Oh my gosh. Yes. Um, wow. Hey, I also >> Oh my gosh. Yes. Um, wow. Hey, I also >> Oh my gosh. Yes. Um, wow. Hey, I also watched a movie last night on Netflix. I watched a movie last night on Netflix. I watched a movie last night on Netflix. I think it was like House of Dynamite or think it was like House of Dynamite or think it was like House of Dynamite or something like that and it was it was something like that and it was it was something like that and it was it was basically reminded me of my old life. It basically reminded me of my old life. It basically reminded me of my old life. It was basically it was uh Katherine was basically it was uh Katherine was basically it was uh Katherine Bigalow made it. You know, she's a zero Bigalow made it. You know, she's a zero Bigalow made it. You know, she's a zero dog 30 and the hurt locker. It basically dog 30 and the hurt locker. It basically dog 30 and the hurt locker. It basically is it walks through a scenario where it is it walks through a scenario where it is it walks through a scenario where it looked like North Korea launching an looked like North Korea launching an looked like North Korea launching an ICBM and towards the US and the response ICBM and towards the US and the response ICBM and towards the US and the response to it to it to it >> and they cut it into three sections. You >> and they cut it into three sections. You >> and they cut it into three sections. You know, you saw this view of the same know, you saw this view of the same know, you saw this view of the same thing, you know, like for people in the thing, you know, like for people in the thing, you know, like for people in the war room or whatever and and in the war room or whatever and and in the war room or whatever and and in the military, then you see it from the view military, then you see it from the view military, then you see it from the view from another group and then from the pre from another group and then from the pre from another group and then from the pre the president of the United States is uh the president of the United States is uh the president of the United States is uh Idris Elba and you see it from his view.

Idris Elba and you see it from his view. Idris Elba and you see it from his view. It was it was pretty interesting. It was It was it was pretty interesting. It was It was it was pretty interesting. It was pretty, you know, you see all the pretty, you know, you see all the pretty, you know, you see all the protocols that everybody has to go protocols that everybody has to go protocols that everybody has to go through when the missiles are inbound through when the missiles are inbound through when the missiles are inbound and and of course you realize something and and of course you realize something and and of course you realize something that I already knew. We only have like that I already knew. We only have like that I already knew. We only have like 50 of these interceptor missiles and 50 of these interceptor missiles and 50 of these interceptor missiles and they really don't work. There's a they really don't work. There's a they really don't work. There's a there's a lot of people who played, you there's a lot of people who played, you there's a lot of people who played, you know, uh remember the video game where know, uh remember the video game where know, uh remember the video game where you're like, you're like, you're like, >> "Yeah, Missile Command, >> "Yeah, Missile Command, >> "Yeah, Missile Command, >> you know, a lot of people think that we >> you know, a lot of people think that we >> you know, a lot of people think that we have like thousands of these interceptor have like thousands of these interceptor have like thousands of these interceptor missiles, kind of like the Iron Dome in missiles, kind of like the Iron Dome in missiles, kind of like the Iron Dome in Israel. They don't work and we don't Israel. They don't work and we don't Israel. They don't work and we don't have very many. We only have 50." So have very many. We only have 50." So have very many. We only have 50." So anyway, I'm just rambling here. anyway, I'm just rambling here. anyway, I'm just rambling here. >> That's probably why we only have 50 >> That's probably why we only have 50 >> That's probably why we only have 50 because they don't work. because they don't work. because they don't work. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they didn't work >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they didn't work >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they didn't work in this movie either. So, which is more in this movie either. So, which is more in this movie either. So, which is more realistic. And they use a term and I've realistic. And they use a term and I've realistic. And they use a term and I've heard the term before. It's like it's heard the term before. It's like it's heard the term before. It's like it's called like trying to hit a bullet with called like trying to hit a bullet with called like trying to hit a bullet with a bullet. a bullet. a bullet. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's how hard it is. >> That's how hard it is. >> That's how hard it is. >> Yeah. It's like it's never going to >> Yeah. It's like it's never going to >> Yeah. It's like it's never going to work. work. work. >> Yes. Well, >> Yes. Well, >> Yes. Well, >> that's why we have to use swarms. >> that's why we have to use swarms. >> that's why we have to use swarms. >> She's a good filmmaker. Catherine. >> She's a good filmmaker. Catherine. >> She's a good filmmaker. Catherine. >> I lost a good filmmaker.

>> I lost a good filmmaker. >> I lost a good filmmaker. >> She is. Yeah, I agree. I >> She is. Yeah, I agree. I >> She is. Yeah, I agree. I >> I think it's a great concept, but I find >> I think it's a great concept, but I find >> I think it's a great concept, but I find it a little long. They could have made it a little long. They could have made it a little long. They could have made the movie in like half the time. So, but the movie in like half the time. So, but the movie in like half the time. So, but yeah, I watch it thing. They were trying yeah, I watch it thing. They were trying yeah, I watch it thing. They were trying to try something out new by to try something out new by to try something out new by you three views of the same thing. you three views of the same thing. you three views of the same thing. >> Yeah. No, that's that's great. >> Yeah. No, that's that's great. >> Yeah. No, that's that's great. >> I know you were waiting for >> I know you were waiting for >> I know you were waiting for >> No, no. >> No, no. >> No, no. >> I was waiting for watching Chicago get >> I was waiting for watching Chicago get >> I was waiting for watching Chicago get nuked and that never they never showed nuked and that never they never showed nuked and that never they never showed that. that. that. >> No, no, I agree with you. The innovation >> No, no, I agree with you. The innovation >> No, no, I agree with you. The innovation would remind me three angles, but the would remind me three angles, but the would remind me three angles, but the time constant is you know that very well time constant is you know that very well time constant is you know that very well is realistic. In real life, it will is realistic. In real life, it will is realistic. In real life, it will happen much much much quickly. It's like happen much much much quickly. It's like happen much much much quickly. It's like it's like minutes. It's not an hour. it's like minutes. It's not an hour. it's like minutes. It's not an hour. We're not going to argue over the full We're not going to argue over the full We're not going to argue over the full hour hour hour >> in three minutes to make a good movie. >> in three minutes to make a good movie. >> in three minutes to make a good movie. >> 30 >> 30 >> 30 minutes need to have enough uh stuff to minutes need to have enough uh stuff to minutes need to have enough uh stuff to happen for it to be a movie. happen for it to be a movie. happen for it to be a movie. >> Come on, guys. Have you heard about Tik >> Come on, guys. Have you heard about Tik >> Come on, guys. Have you heard about Tik Tok? I mean, everything should be done Tok? I mean, everything should be done Tok? I mean, everything should be done in 30 seconds nowadays. in 30 seconds nowadays. in 30 seconds nowadays. Movies anymore. If it can't be done in Movies anymore. If it can't be done in Movies anymore. If it can't be done in 30 seconds, what the point?

30 seconds, what the point? 30 seconds, what the point? >> When I was watching it, it reminded me, >> When I was watching it, it reminded me, >> When I was watching it, it reminded me, did any of you read the book Nuclear did any of you read the book Nuclear did any of you read the book Nuclear War? Um, Ann Annie Jacobson wrote it a War? Um, Ann Annie Jacobson wrote it a War? Um, Ann Annie Jacobson wrote it a couple years ago. She's like a reporter. couple years ago. She's like a reporter. couple years ago. She's like a reporter. >> Oh, I never read it, but >> Oh, I never read it, but >> Oh, I never read it, but >> incredible. Step by step, minuteby >> incredible. Step by step, minuteby >> incredible. Step by step, minuteby minute all the way till and it was kind minute all the way till and it was kind minute all the way till and it was kind of what they call a decapitation event. of what they call a decapitation event. of what they call a decapitation event. One ICBM hitting the Pentagon. That's One ICBM hitting the Pentagon. That's One ICBM hitting the Pentagon. That's all they're doing. And and you're right, all they're doing. And and you're right, all they're doing. And and you're right, there's no time. There's no time for us there's no time. There's no time for us there's no time. There's no time for us to have a conversation about what we to have a conversation about what we to have a conversation about what we think we want to do or how, you know, think we want to do or how, you know, think we want to do or how, you know, it's just so fast. it's just so fast. it's just so fast. >> Hello, Vladimir. What are you drinking >> Hello, Vladimir. What are you drinking >> Hello, Vladimir. What are you drinking now? Oh, good, good, good. How the kids? now? Oh, good, good, good. How the kids? now? Oh, good, good, good. How the kids? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. >> I did think though the last section of >> I did think though the last section of >> I did think though the last section of >> the last section of the movie I thought >> the last section of the movie I thought >> the last section of the movie I thought was interesting though because it gives was interesting though because it gives was interesting though because it gives you a true view to, you know, again, you a true view to, you know, again, you a true view to, you know, again, Idris Ela playing the president, how Idris Ela playing the president, how Idris Ela playing the president, how painful and strenuous the idea of making painful and strenuous the idea of making painful and strenuous the idea of making that decision, you know, cuz you got the that decision, you know, cuz you got the that decision, you know, cuz you got the the Navy Seal guy there carrying the the Navy Seal guy there carrying the the Navy Seal guy there carrying the nuclear football. And they they do hand nuclear football. And they they do hand nuclear football. And they they do hand you this binder that's like, "Here is you this binder that's like, "Here is you this binder that's like, "Here is your menu of choices, Mr. President.

your menu of choices, Mr. President. your menu of choices, Mr. President. of targets and what are you going to do? of targets and what are you going to do? of targets and what are you going to do? Um, and just the the pressure and the Um, and just the the pressure and the Um, and just the the pressure and the strain. It's like I didn't run for strain. It's like I didn't run for strain. It's like I didn't run for president to do this thing, you know, president to do this thing, you know, president to do this thing, you know, and here here you are. It's crazy. and here here you are. It's crazy. and here here you are. It's crazy. >> Would you like the super supreme launch >> Would you like the super supreme launch >> Would you like the super supreme launch program? program? program? >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Would you like extra pepperonis with >> Would you like extra pepperonis with >> Would you like extra pepperonis with that? Yeah. Well, it's funny you say that? Yeah. Well, it's funny you say that? Yeah. Well, it's funny you say that when you say menu because the the that when you say menu because the the that when you say menu because the the the Navy guy with him trying to advise the Navy guy with him trying to advise the Navy guy with him trying to advise him cuz he was just like he goes, "Yeah, him cuz he was just like he goes, "Yeah, him cuz he was just like he goes, "Yeah, I think of this as like, you know, I think of this as like, you know, I think of this as like, you know, medium rare, medium or well done or medium rare, medium or well done or medium rare, medium or well done or whatever to the targets and the whatever to the targets and the whatever to the targets and the missiles, you know." missiles, you know." missiles, you know." >> Of course, they're talking to a defense >> Of course, they're talking to a defense >> Of course, they're talking to a defense minister in Russia who said, "We didn't minister in Russia who said, "We didn't minister in Russia who said, "We didn't do it. do it. do it. >> How would you like your planet done?" >> How would you like your planet done?" >> How would you like your planet done?" you know, and and he goes, "You got to you know, and and he goes, "You got to you know, and and he goes, "You got to promise me you're not going to retaliate promise me you're not going to retaliate promise me you're not going to retaliate against us." And you're like, "No." He against us." And you're like, "No." He against us." And you're like, "No." He goes, "But I don't want it going over goes, "But I don't want it going over goes, "But I don't want it going over our country." He's like, "Well, we won't our country." He's like, "Well, we won't our country." He's like, "Well, we won't with our B2 bombers, like if we're with our B2 bombers, like if we're with our B2 bombers, like if we're attacking North Korea, but for ICBMs, attacking North Korea, but for ICBMs, attacking North Korea, but for ICBMs, you know, coming from land-based or you know, coming from land-based or you know, coming from land-based or submarines, there may be a flyover, you submarines, there may be a flyover, you submarines, there may be a flyover, you know, but you got to trust us that it's know, but you got to trust us that it's know, but you got to trust us that it's just going to fly over on its way to just going to fly over on its way to just going to fly over on its way to somewhere else, which was which was also somewhere else, which was which was also somewhere else, which was which was also in the book uh about nuclear war. The in the book uh about nuclear war. The in the book uh about nuclear war. The notion of to hit North Korea, you had to notion of to hit North Korea, you had to notion of to hit North Korea, you had to kind of fly over a little bit of Russia, kind of fly over a little bit of Russia, kind of fly over a little bit of Russia, right?

right? right? Anyway, this is unrelated to IoT at all Anyway, this is unrelated to IoT at all Anyway, this is unrelated to IoT at all except telemetry. except telemetry. except telemetry. >> Actually, maybe it's the most related. >> Actually, maybe it's the most related. >> Actually, maybe it's the most related. >> Well, detection and all kinds >> Well, detection and all kinds >> Well, detection and all kinds >> detection, you know, real time >> detection, you know, real time >> detection, you know, real time information. What what you're making me information. What what you're making me information. What what you're making me thinking of Rob is that it would be thinking of Rob is that it would be thinking of Rob is that it would be actually an interesting geni experiment actually an interesting geni experiment actually an interesting geni experiment to actually feed the model with all to actually feed the model with all to actually feed the model with all these kind of you know book scenarios these kind of you know book scenarios these kind of you know book scenarios and then feed it with all the different and then feed it with all the different and then feed it with all the different president we had past in history and ask president we had past in history and ask president we had past in history and ask to predict what would be his menu choice to predict what would be his menu choice to predict what would be his menu choice that would be very interesting that would be very interesting that would be very interesting >> that would be horrific that's how Skynet >> that would be horrific that's how Skynet >> that would be horrific that's how Skynet would would would >> exactly >> exactly >> exactly >> yeah that's how you'd get skynet >> but we are heading in these directions I >> but we are heading in these directions I I mean, do you think the military is not I mean, do you think the military is not I mean, do you think the military is not thinking about putting geni stuff? thinking about putting geni stuff? thinking about putting geni stuff? >> Oh, they're thinking about it. And >> Oh, they're thinking about it. And >> Oh, they're thinking about it. And that's scary. that's scary. that's scary. >> I know. I do know. >> I know. I do know. >> I know. I do know. >> President, Idris actually ultimately >> President, Idris actually ultimately >> President, Idris actually ultimately wanted to do nothing if he could. He wanted to do nothing if he could. He wanted to do nothing if he could. He wanted to absorb the impact and not have wanted to absorb the impact and not have wanted to absorb the impact and not have to do all the other stuff because the to do all the other stuff because the to do all the other stuff because the the other outcomes from doing the the other outcomes from doing the the other outcomes from doing the retaliation are also horrific, right? Um retaliation are also horrific, right? Um retaliation are also horrific, right? Um and it's like yes and like well how and it's like yes and like well how and it's like yes and like well how American people are going to feel about American people are going to feel about American people are going to feel about losing 9 million people you know in a losing 9 million people you know in a losing 9 million people you know in a few seconds you know few seconds you know few seconds you know >> but this is the I mean this is you know >> but this is the I mean this is you know >> but this is the I mean this is you know that better than anybody else Rob but that better than anybody else Rob but that better than anybody else Rob but this is the core concept of what used to this is the core concept of what used to this is the core concept of what used to be the equilibrium with nuclear because be the equilibrium with nuclear because be the equilibrium with nuclear because the idea was it will never be used as a the idea was it will never be used as a the idea was it will never be used as a tactical oneoff event it's you send one tactical oneoff event it's you send one tactical oneoff event it's you send one actually you're not going to send one actually you're not going to send one actually you're not going to send one you send 100 I send 100 there's no more you send 100 I send 100 there's no more you send 100 I send 100 there's no more planet this is why nuclear dissuation

planet this is why nuclear dissuation planet this is why nuclear dissuation used to work The problem is that this used to work The problem is that this used to work The problem is that this narrative is fading more and more narrative is fading more and more narrative is fading more and more because there is more and more debates because there is more and more debates because there is more and more debates on using tactically for two reasons. on using tactically for two reasons. on using tactically for two reasons. First, what some countries like Russia First, what some countries like Russia First, what some countries like Russia are doing. And second, the smaller are doing. And second, the smaller are doing. And second, the smaller countries who do not have the mass and countries who do not have the mass and countries who do not have the mass and the numbers but will gain the technology the numbers but will gain the technology the numbers but will gain the technology at some point. If you have only two or at some point. If you have only two or at some point. If you have only two or three nuclear weapons, you're not going three nuclear weapons, you're not going three nuclear weapons, you're not going to be able to destroy the planet, but to be able to destroy the planet, but to be able to destroy the planet, but you could use it as a tactical one. This you could use it as a tactical one. This you could use it as a tactical one. This is why we are seeing we are seriously is why we are seeing we are seriously is why we are seeing we are seriously screwed with all this nuclear stuff screwed with all this nuclear stuff screwed with all this nuclear stuff because it used to be simple. It was a because it used to be simple. It was a because it used to be simple. It was a global annulation so nobody's never used global annulation so nobody's never used global annulation so nobody's never used it and we discuss on the side. it and we discuss on the side. it and we discuss on the side. >> This is in jeopardy nowadays. >> This is in jeopardy nowadays. >> This is in jeopardy nowadays. >> I think that's the premise here is that >> I think that's the premise here is that >> I think that's the premise here is that you had a country like North Korea who's you had a country like North Korea who's you had a country like North Korea who's kind of backs against the wall mass kind of backs against the wall mass kind of backs against the wall mass poverty poverty poverty >> a lot less to lose maybe. >> a lot less to lose maybe. >> a lot less to lose maybe. >> Exactly. Yeah. But this scenario didn't >> Exactly. Yeah. But this scenario didn't >> Exactly. Yeah. But this scenario didn't existed during the cold war because it existed during the cold war because it existed during the cold war because it was an aliation concept. That's true. was an aliation concept. That's true. was an aliation concept. That's true. >> Now what what I like to quote on a >> Now what what I like to quote on a >> Now what what I like to quote on a regular basis which is from one actually regular basis which is from one actually regular basis which is from one actually a criminologist and an analyst called a criminologist and an analyst called a criminologist and an analyst called Anaba in France. He also used to say Anaba in France. He also used to say Anaba in France. He also used to say that what we've not real because we used that what we've not real because we used that what we've not real because we used to be in this equilibrium when only the to be in this equilibrium when only the to be in this equilibrium when only the big nations could actually fight each big nations could actually fight each big nations could actually fight each other. But we learned on 911 that no you other. But we learned on 911 that no you other. But we learned on 911 that no you could have a significant impact on a could have a significant impact on a could have a significant impact on a nuclearbased power country with a bunch nuclearbased power country with a bunch nuclearbased power country with a bunch of planes hitting towers. Yes, of planes hitting towers. Yes, of planes hitting towers. Yes, >> but we haven't learned from that 25 >> but we haven't learned from that 25 >> but we haven't learned from that 25 years ago. Do you remember that

years ago. Do you remember that years ago. Do you remember that >> in the '9s was we saw the rise of the >> in the '9s was we saw the rise of the >> in the '9s was we saw the rise of the internet and you had the democracy internet and you had the democracy internet and you had the democracy democratization of being able to express democratization of being able to express democratization of being able to express yourself amongst lots of people. Um, yourself amongst lots of people. Um, yourself amongst lots of people. Um, there were no gatekeepers anymore cuz there were no gatekeepers anymore cuz there were no gatekeepers anymore cuz the internet let everybody talk to each the internet let everybody talk to each the internet let everybody talk to each other and say whatever they wanted. And other and say whatever they wanted. And other and say whatever they wanted. And there were strategists in the '9s as a there were strategists in the '9s as a there were strategists in the '9s as a result of the internet talking about the result of the internet talking about the result of the internet talking about the notion of supermpowered individuals notion of supermpowered individuals notion of supermpowered individuals who could get a lot of people, who could get a lot of people, who could get a lot of people, charismatic people, super empowered charismatic people, super empowered charismatic people, super empowered because of the internet and could get a because of the internet and could get a because of the internet and could get a lot of people to follow them and believe lot of people to follow them and believe lot of people to follow them and believe them and they were them and they were them and they were >> Yeah. Do do you want do you want a list >> Yeah. Do do you want do you want a list >> Yeah. Do do you want do you want a list of people who achieved that today? of people who achieved that today? of people who achieved that today? >> Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right. >> Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right. >> Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right. So So So >> I I will send them up like in the movie >> I I will send them up like in the movie >> I I will send them up like in the movie send them to malls. send them to malls. send them to malls. >> Yeah. So um yeah, Vibe coding cleanup >> Yeah. So um yeah, Vibe coding cleanup >> Yeah. So um yeah, Vibe coding cleanup specialist is the new hottest in specialist is the new hottest in specialist is the new hottest in >> that guy is Mr. Wolf from you know Pulp >> that guy is Mr. Wolf from you know Pulp >> that guy is Mr. Wolf from you know Pulp Fiction. Fiction. Fiction. >> He's the cleaner. >> He's the cleaner. >> He's the cleaner. >> Well V coding janitor Vive Vive coding >> Well V coding janitor Vive Vive coding >> Well V coding janitor Vive Vive coding janitor is even better.

janitor is even better. janitor is even better. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He have to you have to have a tuxedo at >> He have to you have to have a tuxedo at >> He have to you have to have a tuxedo at six o'clock in the morning. That's the six o'clock in the morning. That's the six o'clock in the morning. That's the way he goes. way he goes. way he goes. >> That is so funny. Yeah. people are. >> That is so funny. Yeah. people are. >> That is so funny. Yeah. people are. That's awesome. That's awesome. That's awesome. >> This is some great coffee. >> Yeah. What's up, Mark? You haven't said >> Yeah. What's up, Mark? You haven't said a word, Bill. You said a couple. What's a word, Bill. You said a couple. What's a word, Bill. You said a couple. What's up? Anything new? up? Anything new? up? Anything new? >> Yeah. Still recovering from jetlag from >> Yeah. Still recovering from jetlag from >> Yeah. Still recovering from jetlag from my short trip to the to Anaheim. my short trip to the to Anaheim. my short trip to the to Anaheim. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, seeing you. You missed out. You missed seeing you. You missed out. You missed seeing you. You missed out. You missed out, Rob. That was a good part. I did. I out, Rob. That was a good part. I did. I out, Rob. That was a good part. I did. I attempted to come and I looked online attempted to come and I looked online attempted to come and I looked online and like flights from Houston to LA were and like flights from Houston to LA were and like flights from Houston to LA were $1,000. I'm like, $1,000. I'm like, $1,000. I'm like, >> how's that possible? What's going on? >> how's that possible? What's going on? >> how's that possible? What's going on? >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> And and then of course I watched on the >> And and then of course I watched on the >> And and then of course I watched on the news like people waiting four hours and news like people waiting four hours and news like people waiting four hours and missing their flights trying to get missing their flights trying to get missing their flights trying to get through TSA at airports at that time. through TSA at airports at that time. through TSA at airports at that time. >> Yeah. No, >> Yeah. No, >> Yeah. No, >> I mean flights to Barcelona were were >> I mean flights to Barcelona were were >> I mean flights to Barcelona were were just I mean it it was like they were just I mean it it was like they were just I mean it it was like they were trying to price them so that you didn't trying to price them so that you didn't trying to price them so that you didn't go.

go. go. >> I mean there I mean literally it was >> I mean there I mean literally it was >> I mean there I mean literally it was like I think a business class flight was like I think a business class flight was like I think a business class flight was like 16 grand. like 16 grand. like 16 grand. >> Ouch. >> Ouch. >> Ouch. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Oh god. >> Oh god. >> Oh god. >> It's called it's called algorithmic >> It's called it's called algorithmic >> It's called it's called algorithmic selling. selling. selling. >> Yeah. Talk about killing the ROI of your >> Yeah. Talk about killing the ROI of your >> Yeah. Talk about killing the ROI of your bisdev. bisdev. bisdev. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Jesus Christ. >> Jesus Christ. >> Jesus Christ. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> How many How many people I know we've >> How many How many people I know we've >> How many How many people I know we've asked the question before. How many asked the question before. How many asked the question before. How many people are going to CES? I know. I think people are going to CES? I know. I think people are going to CES? I know. I think you said you're going, right? you said you're going, right? you said you're going, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> It's going to be good. It'll be fun. >> It's going to be good. It'll be fun. >> It's going to be good. It'll be fun. >> And Mobile World Congress. How many >> And Mobile World Congress. How many >> And Mobile World Congress. How many people are coming? people are coming? people are coming? >> It's going to be there. >> It's going to be there. >> It's going to be there. >> I don't know. I'll be there. >> I don't know. I'll be there. >> I don't know. I'll be there. >> ITC is not going to Mobile Congress. >> ITC is not going to Mobile Congress. >> ITC is not going to Mobile Congress. >> There are no servers there. No, there's >> There are no servers there. No, there's >> There are no servers there. No, there's I think there's going to be like a I think there's going to be like a I think there's going to be like a literally um Nvidia taking over and literally um Nvidia taking over and literally um Nvidia taking over and trying to push the AI ran story and trying to push the AI ran story and trying to push the AI ran story and trying to get everyone to transition trying to get everyone to transition trying to get everyone to transition uh to, uh to, uh to, you know, their whole aerial platform you know, their whole aerial platform you know, their whole aerial platform and run everything on GPUs. That's what and run everything on GPUs. That's what and run everything on GPUs. That's what it's going to be about. So closely every it's going to be about. So closely every it's going to be about. So closely every anything that becomes a hype at MWC anything that becomes a hype at MWC anything that becomes a hype at MWC uh becomes the bubble and bursts uh becomes the bubble and bursts uh becomes the bubble and bursts disappoints everybody.

disappoints everybody. disappoints everybody. I mean it's whatever is the headline I mean it's whatever is the headline I mean it's whatever is the headline there you know that it's pretty much there you know that it's pretty much there you know that it's pretty much nonsense but the show was good because nonsense but the show was good because nonsense but the show was good because you get to talk to so many companies you get to talk to so many companies you get to talk to so many companies right and so many people industry folks right and so many people industry folks right and so many people industry folks but you know before that it was but you know before that it was but you know before that it was metaverse metaverse metaverse open a open brand you know IoT blah blah open a open brand you know IoT blah blah open a open brand you know IoT blah blah blah blah blah >> hey Leonard remember I don't know how >> hey Leonard remember I don't know how >> hey Leonard remember I don't know how many years ago it was when we were many years ago it was when we were many years ago it was when we were walking around together at MWC See, and walking around together at MWC See, and walking around together at MWC See, and we're like by the Accenture booth and we're like by the Accenture booth and we're like by the Accenture booth and all of a sudden it was like it was like all of a sudden it was like it was like all of a sudden it was like it was like the night before they changed out all the night before they changed out all the night before they changed out all their signs to say metaverse. >> Everybody's met everywhere. >> Everybody's met everywhere. >> These guys are all full of [ __ ] >> These guys are all full of [ __ ] >> These guys are all full of [ __ ] >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> they're so the the good thing is that in >> they're so the the good thing is that in >> they're so the the good thing is that in this journey, I think you're not going this journey, I think you're not going this journey, I think you're not going to see those big consulting firm to see those big consulting firm to see those big consulting firm advertising that much because it advertising that much because it advertising that much because it replaces them like crazy. replaces them like crazy. replaces them like crazy. >> Yeah. Well, no. >> Yeah. Well, no. >> Yeah. Well, no. >> No. I mean, Leonard, don't get me wrong.

>> No. I mean, Leonard, don't get me wrong. >> No. I mean, Leonard, don't get me wrong. I mean, there's Yeah, I totally agree I mean, there's Yeah, I totally agree I mean, there's Yeah, I totally agree that good good analysts will continue to that good good analysts will continue to that good good analysts will continue to be necessary, but I'm sure there's a be necessary, but I'm sure there's a be necessary, but I'm sure there's a whole bunch of analysts in the 90% can whole bunch of analysts in the 90% can whole bunch of analysts in the 90% can be effectively replaced by Jai. be effectively replaced by Jai. be effectively replaced by Jai. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, no, because they they >> Yeah. Yeah. No, no, because they they >> Yeah. Yeah. No, no, because they they they are the source of a lot of the they are the source of a lot of the they are the source of a lot of the nonsense that doesn't pan out. You're nonsense that doesn't pan out. You're nonsense that doesn't pan out. You're absolutely right. I mean, you know, I I absolutely right. I mean, you know, I I absolutely right. I mean, you know, I I have to say the content on IoT Coffee have to say the content on IoT Coffee have to say the content on IoT Coffee Talk is minority view, but I think we're Talk is minority view, but I think we're Talk is minority view, but I think we're consistently way ahead of everyone else. consistently way ahead of everyone else. consistently way ahead of everyone else. It's like odd, right? I mean, It's like odd, right? I mean, It's like odd, right? I mean, >> you're consistently right. I think >> you're consistently right. I think >> you're consistently right. I think that's what you're trying to say, that's what you're trying to say, that's what you're trying to say, Leonard. Leonard. Leonard. >> I'm trying to be humble. >> I'm trying to be humble. >> I'm trying to be humble. >> No, don't be humble. Put it out there. >> No, don't be humble. Put it out there. >> No, don't be humble. Put it out there. >> There is a term in psychology for that. >> There is a term in psychology for that. >> There is a term in psychology for that. It's called Cassandra complex. It's called Cassandra complex. It's called Cassandra complex. >> This is exactly what we have. We always >> This is exactly what we have. We always >> This is exactly what we have. We always think the through the truth, but we are think the through the truth, but we are think the through the truth, but we are cursed to not be trusted by anybody. cursed to not be trusted by anybody. cursed to not be trusted by anybody. >> Yeah, we have to rewind people hear us >> Yeah, we have to rewind people hear us >> Yeah, we have to rewind people hear us like years ago telling the same thing. like years ago telling the same thing. like years ago telling the same thing. Don't put that in my take that bad out Don't put that in my take that bad out Don't put that in my take that bad out of your mouth. of your mouth. of your mouth. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> When do all the checks start arriving, >> When do all the checks start arriving, >> When do all the checks start arriving, Leonard, for all the value that we're Leonard, for all the value that we're Leonard, for all the value that we're driving from the show? Is there some driving from the show? Is there some driving from the show? Is there some place where we go to get our checks that place where we go to get our checks that place where we go to get our checks that we get paid?

we get paid? we get paid? >> Are you kidding? >> Are you kidding? >> Are you kidding? >> You know, >> You know, >> You know, >> round it up. Round. >> round it up. Round. >> round it up. Round. >> Well, I know the I I know the answer. >> Well, I know the I I know the answer. >> Well, I know the I I know the answer. Let's create a coin. Let's create a Let's create a coin. Let's create a Let's create a coin. Let's create a crypto. crypto. crypto. >> We floated that idea a while back. >> We floated that idea a while back. >> We floated that idea a while back. >> I think I heard that we should do it. >> I think I heard that we should do it. >> I think I heard that we should do it. >> Remember remember like at IoT World >> Remember remember like at IoT World >> Remember remember like at IoT World Congress there was a whole section about Congress there was a whole section about Congress there was a whole section about when people remember everybody wanted to when people remember everybody wanted to when people remember everybody wanted to learn about how to do an initial coin learn about how to do an initial coin learn about how to do an initial coin offering. offering. offering. >> We we could call it the Leonard. It's a >> We we could call it the Leonard. It's a >> We we could call it the Leonard. It's a good name for a coin. good name for a coin. good name for a coin. >> And nobody gave a [ __ ] nobody gave a >> And nobody gave a [ __ ] nobody gave a >> And nobody gave a [ __ ] nobody gave a [ __ ] about the IoT part of that [ __ ] about the IoT part of that [ __ ] about the IoT part of that conference. They were all at this point conference. They were all at this point conference. They were all at this point thing. thing. thing. And it goes back to what Dimmitri always And it goes back to what Dimmitri always And it goes back to what Dimmitri always reminds us. It's all about money and reminds us. It's all about money and reminds us. It's all about money and greed and people are like, I'm going to greed and people are like, I'm going to greed and people are like, I'm going to go to the session that shows me how I'm go to the session that shows me how I'm go to the session that shows me how I'm going to make money real easily. going to make money real easily. going to make money real easily. >> Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> AND I KNEW A COMPANY THAT WAS BARELY >> AND I KNEW A COMPANY THAT WAS BARELY >> AND I KNEW A COMPANY THAT WAS BARELY HANGING ON BACK THEN. It was a startup HANGING ON BACK THEN. It was a startup HANGING ON BACK THEN. It was a startup and then all of a sudden they were in and then all of a sudden they were in and then all of a sudden they were in great shape and they did an ICO and great shape and they did an ICO and great shape and they did an ICO and overnight raised $40 million.

overnight raised $40 million. overnight raised $40 million. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Did any of the people >> Did any of the people >> Did any of the people >> Exactly. Oh yeah. gave me nightmares. >> Exactly. Oh yeah. gave me nightmares. >> Exactly. Oh yeah. gave me nightmares. You know, it was the hype and the You know, it was the hype and the You know, it was the hype and the nonsense was equivalent to what we have nonsense was equivalent to what we have nonsense was equivalent to what we have with AI right now, you know, and it's with AI right now, you know, and it's with AI right now, you know, and it's funny that everyone tries to funny that everyone tries to funny that everyone tries to characterize this quote unquote bubble characterize this quote unquote bubble characterize this quote unquote bubble as being something different. It's not. as being something different. It's not. as being something different. It's not. It's actually worse, right? Uh because It's actually worse, right? Uh because It's actually worse, right? Uh because it's asset driven, right? It's asset it's asset driven, right? It's asset it's asset driven, right? It's asset heavy. Metverse wasn't. That was just heavy. Metverse wasn't. That was just heavy. Metverse wasn't. That was just like a bunch of fluffy, you know, BS. like a bunch of fluffy, you know, BS. like a bunch of fluffy, you know, BS. And it evaporated pretty quickly and it And it evaporated pretty quickly and it And it evaporated pretty quickly and it didn't have a huge blast radius. Do you didn't have a huge blast radius. Do you didn't have a huge blast radius. Do you know what I'm saying? It was isolated to know what I'm saying? It was isolated to know what I'm saying? It was isolated to a few, you know, you know, dare I say, a few, you know, you know, dare I say, a few, you know, you know, dare I say, idiots that were fooled and a very few idiots that were fooled and a very few idiots that were fooled and a very few u, you know, number of people who got u, you know, number of people who got u, you know, number of people who got away with a [ __ ] ton of money. Right. away with a [ __ ] ton of money. Right. away with a [ __ ] ton of money. Right. But But But >> Leonard, don't you consider your Apple >> Leonard, don't you consider your Apple >> Leonard, don't you consider your Apple vision part of the metaverse? vision part of the metaverse? vision part of the metaverse? No, I don't I don't I don't the No, I don't I don't I don't the No, I don't I don't I don't the metaverse metaverse metaverse >> that should be the tool, right? To >> that should be the tool, right? To >> that should be the tool, right? To interact with the metaverse.

interact with the metaverse. interact with the metaverse. >> No, because >> No, because >> No, because the device is geared more toward the device is geared more toward the device is geared more toward reality, reality, reality, immersive reality, not metaverse. immersive reality, not metaverse. immersive reality, not metaverse. Metaverse was a different concept. Metaverse was a different concept. Metaverse was a different concept. >> Yeah. Yeah. See, that's it's a related >> Yeah. Yeah. See, that's it's a related >> Yeah. Yeah. See, that's it's a related technology, technology, technology, but it it's it's at the interface layer, but it it's it's at the interface layer, but it it's it's at the interface layer, but it's not that's not that's what but it's not that's not that's what but it's not that's not that's what people have gotten wrong about the people have gotten wrong about the people have gotten wrong about the Vision Pro. Vision Pro. Vision Pro. And and even, you know, it's not about And and even, you know, it's not about And and even, you know, it's not about gaming. It sucks as a gaming machine, gaming. It sucks as a gaming machine, gaming. It sucks as a gaming machine, right? It sucks as a um you know, um right? It sucks as a um you know, um right? It sucks as a um you know, um whatever, whatever, whatever, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Open world BS, >> Open world BS, >> Open world BS, you know? But you know? But you know? But >> hey, before I drop, I want to show you >> hey, before I drop, I want to show you >> hey, before I drop, I want to show you something really cool that I bought. something really cool that I bought. something really cool that I bought. >> And and I want to show something to Rob >> And and I want to show something to Rob >> And and I want to show something to Rob before he drops. before he drops. before he drops. >> Keyboard. >> Keyboard. >> Keyboard. >> What is that? >> What is that? >> What is that? >> It's a keyboard. >> It's a keyboard. >> It's a keyboard. >> Listen, >> Listen, >> Listen, >> man. You should use We use We talk to >> man. You should use We use We talk to >> man. You should use We use We talk to Jenni nowadays. Who needs a keyboard? Jenni nowadays. Who needs a keyboard? Jenni nowadays. Who needs a keyboard? >> So cool, man. This This is the >> So cool, man. This This is the >> So cool, man. This This is the >> But but Rob, you're the Blackberry of >> But but Rob, you're the Blackberry of >> But but Rob, you're the Blackberry of the new days. Yes.

You're the Blackberry of You're the You're the Blackberry of You're the Blackberry of 20 of 2025. Blackberry of 20 of 2025. Blackberry of 20 of 2025. >> Can you read the IoT statement that we >> Can you read the IoT statement that we >> Can you read the IoT statement that we had during IoT Stars? What do you had during IoT Stars? What do you had during IoT Stars? What do you >> only reason you need 5G is because you >> only reason you need 5G is because you >> only reason you need 5G is because you didn't optimize your system with edge didn't optimize your system with edge didn't optimize your system with edge AI. Boom. AI. Boom. AI. Boom. >> What do you think? >> What do you think? >> What do you think? >> I love it. I love it. >> I love it. I love it. >> I love it. I love it. >> That's what we should have. >> That's what we should have. >> That's what we should have. >> So, we should we should do that. The The >> So, we should we should do that. The The >> So, we should we should do that. The The reason why you need Gen AI is because reason why you need Gen AI is because reason why you need Gen AI is because you cannot think. you cannot think. you cannot think. >> Oh. Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. I have to drop early. I have >> All right. I have to drop early. I have >> All right. I have to drop early. I have another call I got to be on. another call I got to be on. another call I got to be on. >> See you, Rob. >> See you, Rob. >> See you, Rob. >> Adios. Have a great weekend. >> Adios. Have a great weekend. >> Adios. Have a great weekend. >> You, too. Yeah, we we're probably going >> You, too. Yeah, we we're probably going >> You, too. Yeah, we we're probably going to be wrapping up this episode soon. But to be wrapping up this episode soon. But to be wrapping up this episode soon. But yeah, it looks like um things like IoT yeah, it looks like um things like IoT yeah, it looks like um things like IoT are back in. Everyone's starting to talk are back in. Everyone's starting to talk are back in. Everyone's starting to talk about IoT again, which is good. But then about IoT again, which is good. But then about IoT again, which is good. But then it it's like, do you see that? Somebody it it's like, do you see that? Somebody it it's like, do you see that? Somebody wrote an article trying to explain IoT. wrote an article trying to explain IoT. wrote an article trying to explain IoT. No, I haven't seen that. But is it a No, I haven't seen that. But is it a No, I haven't seen that. But is it a good one? good one? good one? >> They called it new. It's the new nervous >> They called it new. It's the new nervous >> They called it new. It's the new nervous system.

system. system. >> Oh, that makes me nervous. >> Oh, that makes me nervous. >> Oh, that makes me nervous. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I know. >> Oh, I know. >> Oh, I know. >> If that means that if that means that it >> If that means that if that means that it >> If that means that if that means that it gets more exposure, if they want to call gets more exposure, if they want to call gets more exposure, if they want to call it new, it's new. New new to you like it new, it's new. New new to you like it new, it's new. New new to you like corn. corn. corn. >> It's new to you. Exactly. >> It's new to you. Exactly. >> It's new to you. Exactly. >> So, is that the sixth or seventh or >> So, is that the sixth or seventh or >> So, is that the sixth or seventh or eighth? I don't know where we are. eighth? I don't know where we are. eighth? I don't know where we are. industrial revolution or industrial revolution or industrial revolution or >> Yeah. Well, it it's ridiculous. And now >> Yeah. Well, it it's ridiculous. And now >> Yeah. Well, it it's ridiculous. And now they're coming out with uh what is it? they're coming out with uh what is it? they're coming out with uh what is it? Um uh the digital twin is coming back Um uh the digital twin is coming back Um uh the digital twin is coming back up. You know, everyone's going up. You know, everyone's going up. You know, everyone's going >> No, but but but no, but very very >> No, but but but no, but very very >> No, but but but no, but very very seriously, this is actually the next seriously, this is actually the next seriously, this is actually the next step in the dangerous fiasco of this step in the dangerous fiasco of this step in the dangerous fiasco of this whole AI hype because right now we are whole AI hype because right now we are whole AI hype because right now we are still limited to those things telling us still limited to those things telling us still limited to those things telling us in words what to do and we go do them. in words what to do and we go do them. in words what to do and we go do them. The day we start connecting those things The day we start connecting those things The day we start connecting those things to the physical world directly, this is to the physical world directly, this is to the physical world directly, this is where the doomsdays are going to get where the doomsdays are going to get where the doomsdays are going to get closer and closer. closer and closer. closer and closer. >> Yeah. Well, they're they're already >> Yeah. Well, they're they're already >> Yeah. Well, they're they're already doing that. I mean, doing that. I mean, doing that. I mean, >> but not at scale yet. >> but not at scale yet. >> but not at scale yet. >> Physical AI thing is the whole idea is >> Physical AI thing is the whole idea is >> Physical AI thing is the whole idea is creating the the interface, right? That creating the the interface, right? That creating the the interface, right? That cyber physical interface. And yeah, cyber physical interface. And yeah, cyber physical interface. And yeah, that's that's really scary. But, you that's that's really scary. But, you that's that's really scary. But, you know, going back more tactically know, going back more tactically know, going back more tactically uh to the topic of uh digital twin.

uh to the topic of uh digital twin. uh to the topic of uh digital twin. Yeah, it's coming up and in the media Yeah, it's coming up and in the media Yeah, it's coming up and in the media they're treating it like it is something they're treating it like it is something they're treating it like it is something brand new and they call it world models. brand new and they call it world models. brand new and they call it world models. They're confusing it with world models. They're confusing it with world models. They're confusing it with world models. >> Oh, it's like, okay, what what do you >> Oh, it's like, okay, what what do you >> Oh, it's like, okay, what what do you mean by a world model? mean by a world model? mean by a world model? >> So, I'm going to become famous now again >> So, I'm going to become famous now again >> So, I'm going to become famous now again because because because >> I don't even I don't even indulge those >> I don't even I don't even indulge those >> I don't even I don't even indulge those conversations to be honest. I mean, it conversations to be honest. I mean, it conversations to be honest. I mean, it it's if you've been doing it >> Yeah. I we could have a whole another >> Yeah. I we could have a whole another conversation around that. I don't conversation around that. I don't conversation around that. I don't indulge those conversations. I think indulge those conversations. I think indulge those conversations. I think it's ridiculous. Um it's ridiculous. Um it's ridiculous. Um >> no, I agree. Actually, we should we we >> no, I agree. Actually, we should we we >> no, I agree. Actually, we should we we we should have an episode maybe on that we should have an episode maybe on that we should have an episode maybe on that because I want I've been wanting to do because I want I've been wanting to do because I want I've been wanting to do for you know I do I do talks at hawker for you know I do I do talks at hawker for you know I do I do talks at hawker conferences from time to time and I've conferences from time to time and I've conferences from time to time and I've been wanting to do a demystifying the been wanting to do a demystifying the been wanting to do a demystifying the digital twin kind of talk for a while digital twin kind of talk for a while digital twin kind of talk for a while because it's becoming a mess and a because it's becoming a mess and a because it's becoming a mess and a nightmare now. So that would be fun to nightmare now. So that would be fun to nightmare now. So that would be fun to discuss that one. discuss that one. discuss that one. >> I don't know. I don't know that there's >> I don't know. I don't know that there's >> I don't know. I don't know that there's a mystery about it. a mystery about it. a mystery about it. Look, Look, Look, >> no I I agree with you but there's no >> no I I agree with you but there's no >> no I I agree with you but there's no there's misinterpretation. So this why I there's misinterpretation. So this why I there's misinterpretation. So this why I said demystifying it's not a mystery is said demystifying it's not a mystery is said demystifying it's not a mystery is that everybody is his own version of it that everybody is his own version of it that everybody is his own version of it which is actually totally disconnected which is actually totally disconnected which is actually totally disconnected from reality and very few like yourself from reality and very few like yourself from reality and very few like yourself as actual practical exact use real use as actual practical exact use real use as actual practical exact use real use cases.

cases. cases. >> I mean >> I mean >> I mean we should we should do that man. It we should we should do that man. It we should we should do that man. It should be titled do you have a [ __ ] should be titled do you have a [ __ ] should be titled do you have a [ __ ] digital twin or not? digital twin or not? digital twin or not? >> Thank you. You just gave me the title >> Thank you. You just gave me the title >> Thank you. You just gave me the title for my talk. for my talk. for my talk. >> Thank you, Bill. I'm going to quote you >> Thank you, Bill. I'm going to quote you >> Thank you, Bill. I'm going to quote you or not. I mean, it's the the bottom or not. I mean, it's the the bottom or not. I mean, it's the the bottom line. I mean, and we have a we have a we line. I mean, and we have a we have a we line. I mean, and we have a we have a we work with a ton of partners that are work with a ton of partners that are work with a ton of partners that are like, you know, hey, you know that I I like, you know, hey, you know that I I like, you know, hey, you know that I I can tell you right now that I have sat can tell you right now that I have sat can tell you right now that I have sat there and told them what you guys are there and told them what you guys are there and told them what you guys are calling the digital twin is not a calling the digital twin is not a calling the digital twin is not a [ __ ] digital twin. [ __ ] digital twin. [ __ ] digital twin. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. And um are you taking off? >> Yeah. Yeah. And um are you taking off? >> Yeah. Yeah. And um are you taking off? >> Oh no. >> Oh no. >> Oh no. >> Oh, I was You need the splash splash. >> Yeah, it's it is getting >> Yeah, it's it is getting >> Oh, you need the Do do you have a >> Oh, you need the Do do you have a >> Oh, you need the Do do you have a digital to digital to digital to >> do? Exactly. >> do? Exactly. >> do? Exactly. >> Yeah, but it it's coming. So, um hype >> Yeah, but it it's coming. So, um hype >> Yeah, but it it's coming. So, um hype 2.0 for all or X.0 for all of these. X X 2.0 for all or X.0 for all of these. X X 2.0 for all or X.0 for all of these. X X X + one for all of these. So, um yeah, X + one for all of these. So, um yeah, X + one for all of these. So, um yeah, there's there's never a shortage of there's there's never a shortage of there's there's never a shortage of things to talk about because I think things to talk about because I think things to talk about because I think people just get things messed up in a people just get things messed up in a people just get things messed up in a different way different way different way in the future reaction to where you know in the future reaction to where you know in the future reaction to where you know how they're perceiving these emerging how they're perceiving these emerging how they're perceiving these emerging technologies. But a lot of it, you know, technologies. But a lot of it, you know, technologies. But a lot of it, you know, if you really look at what's happening, if you really look at what's happening, if you really look at what's happening, it's just a repackaging of old stuff.

it's just a repackaging of old stuff. it's just a repackaging of old stuff. You know what I'm saying? A lot of it is You know what I'm saying? A lot of it is You know what I'm saying? A lot of it is just pure marketing and you never really just pure marketing and you never really just pure marketing and you never really uh reconcile the the first wave of uh reconcile the the first wave of uh reconcile the the first wave of learning that you should have done, learning that you should have done, learning that you should have done, right? And I think that's the that's right? And I think that's the that's right? And I think that's the that's that's opportunity for us. I think it that's opportunity for us. I think it that's opportunity for us. I think it just makes us smarter and um you know just makes us smarter and um you know just makes us smarter and um you know hopefully better positioned to help our hopefully better positioned to help our hopefully better positioned to help our customers and our clients uh navigate customers and our clients uh navigate customers and our clients uh navigate the nonsense because I mean it's just the nonsense because I mean it's just the nonsense because I mean it's just getting out of control. is really getting out of control. is really getting out of control. is really getting out of control. getting out of control. getting out of control. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> What? Oh, yeah. >> What? Oh, yeah. >> What? Oh, yeah. >> Because I mean I get I get asked a lot >> Because I mean I get I get asked a lot >> Because I mean I get I get asked a lot of times, you know, why don't you of times, you know, why don't you of times, you know, why don't you comment on this and why don't you comment on this and why don't you comment on this and why don't you comment on that? And I'm like, oh, I've comment on that? And I'm like, oh, I've comment on that? And I'm like, oh, I've always been a firm believer that you always been a firm believer that you always been a firm believer that you move in silence. move in silence. move in silence. You move in silence and you let your You move in silence and you let your You move in silence and you let your success be the noise. People don't success be the noise. People don't success be the noise. People don't understand that. understand that. understand that. >> S not the noise. Let everyone else >> S not the noise. Let everyone else >> S not the noise. Let everyone else create the noise. create the noise. create the noise. >> Tell them tell them what the data diva >> Tell them tell them what the data diva >> Tell them tell them what the data diva says. So I never telegraph my punch.

says. So I never telegraph my punch. says. So I never telegraph my punch. >> That's it. That's it. >> That's it. That's it. >> That's it. That's it. >> Bam. >> Bam. >> Bam. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> Nice. >> Nice. >> Nice. >> Guys, look around you and look the world >> Guys, look around you and look the world >> Guys, look around you and look the world we live in and tell me if this is the we live in and tell me if this is the we live in and tell me if this is the reality. reality. reality. >> It doesn't matter that >> It doesn't matter that >> It doesn't matter that >> I agree with you. But >> I agree with you. But >> I agree with you. But >> you're talking to this 0.00001% >> you're talking to this 0.00001% >> you're talking to this 0.00001% we were mentioning in the beginning of we were mentioning in the beginning of we were mentioning in the beginning of the show. Not for the vast majority of the show. Not for the vast majority of the show. Not for the vast majority of people. people. people. While they're all over there talking While they're all over there talking While they're all over there talking about ICOs, I'm over here making a deal about ICOs, I'm over here making a deal about ICOs, I'm over here making a deal with two or three other people with two or three other people with two or three other people >> that's going to really generate money. >> that's going to really generate money. >> that's going to really generate money. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And business >> And business >> And business >> and all of these other things. And you >> and all of these other things. And you >> and all of these other things. And you can give it a name. It really doesn't can give it a name. It really doesn't can give it a name. It really doesn't matter. You start seeing the stuff matter. You start seeing the stuff matter. You start seeing the stuff that's out there and they'll be like, that's out there and they'll be like, that's out there and they'll be like, "Oh, that looks like yours." Well, "Oh, that looks like yours." Well, "Oh, that looks like yours." Well, that's because it is mine. It got white that's because it is mine. It got white that's because it is mine. It got white labelled. Oh, that one's mine as well labelled. Oh, that one's mine as well labelled. Oh, that one's mine as well and that one's mine and that one's mine. and that one's mine and that one's mine. and that one's mine and that one's mine. And in the meantime, while you were And in the meantime, while you were And in the meantime, while you were trying to do some ICO, IPO, H A H A JK, trying to do some ICO, IPO, H A H A JK, trying to do some ICO, IPO, H A H A JK, L M N O P, all these other acronyms, L M N O P, all these other acronyms, L M N O P, all these other acronyms, >> you know, I've got I've got the cash >> you know, I've got I've got the cash >> you know, I've got I've got the cash register ringing in the background. Oh, register ringing in the background. Oh, register ringing in the background. Oh, you hear that? you hear that? you hear that? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, you know that see that the I love >> Well, you know that see that the I love >> Well, you know that see that the I love that because that because that because >> show the t-shirt. Show the show your >> show the t-shirt. Show the show your >> show the t-shirt. Show the show your t-shirt. t-shirt. t-shirt. >> I love the swagger. I love it. >> I love the swagger. I love it. >> I love the swagger. I love it. >> Silence. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. But, >> Silence. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. But, >> Silence. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. But, you know, this is these are important you know, this is these are important you know, this is these are important things for people to understand and things for people to understand and things for people to understand and focus on. He I mean, you know, the thing focus on. He I mean, you know, the thing focus on. He I mean, you know, the thing I love about you, Bill, is you're, you I love about you, Bill, is you're, you I love about you, Bill, is you're, you know, straight up organic. You know, know, straight up organic. You know, know, straight up organic. You know, you're not going around chasing VC you're not going around chasing VC you're not going around chasing VC dollars or doing, you know, trying to do dollars or doing, you know, trying to do dollars or doing, you know, trying to do raises. You create a business and then raises. You create a business and then raises. You create a business and then you grow it organically. You start you grow it organically. You start you grow it organically. You start solving problems like you always say and solving problems like you always say and solving problems like you always say and you solving problems means you're you solving problems means you're you solving problems means you're delivering value going around searching delivering value going around searching delivering value going around searching for funding for funding for funding and then getting some ridiculous madeup and then getting some ridiculous madeup and then getting some ridiculous madeup valuation valuation valuation um by a cabal of VCs and investors is um by a cabal of VCs and investors is um by a cabal of VCs and investors is not business that doesn't create not business that doesn't create not business that doesn't create economic value right and people get that economic value right and people get that economic value right and people get that so confused because they think the stock so confused because they think the stock so confused because they think the stock market isn't indicator of econ the the market isn't indicator of econ the the market isn't indicator of econ the the economy and they don't understand that economy and they don't understand that economy and they don't understand that there's it can be completely disjointed there's it can be completely disjointed there's it can be completely disjointed and disconnected right any given time and disconnected right any given time and disconnected right any given time >> well the S&P is but not not the >> well the S&P is but not not the >> well the S&P is but not not the >> there it might be an indicator but it is >> there it might be an indicator but it is >> there it might be an indicator but it is not the it is not the economy and so um not the it is not the economy and so um not the it is not the economy and so um but there's something to be said about but there's something to be said about but there's something to be said about uh the discipline of actually building a uh the discipline of actually building a uh the discipline of actually building a business versus just uh trying to go business versus just uh trying to go business versus just uh trying to go around with an idea and getting funding

around with an idea and getting funding around with an idea and getting funding for it and then going nowhere which has for it and then going nowhere which has for it and then going nowhere which has become the culture. So this whole idea become the culture. So this whole idea become the culture. So this whole idea of entrepreneur being an entrepreneur in of entrepreneur being an entrepreneur in of entrepreneur being an entrepreneur in the US I think is becoming the US I think is becoming the US I think is becoming uh you know affected you know what I'm uh you know affected you know what I'm uh you know affected you know what I'm saying in a very negative way because of saying in a very negative way because of saying in a very negative way because of the Silicon Valley culture. You know the Silicon Valley culture. You know the Silicon Valley culture. You know it's all about raising money raising it's all about raising money raising it's all about raising money raising money raising money your business goes money raising money your business goes money raising money your business goes nowhere. nowhere. nowhere. >> But it's not limited to Silicon Valley. >> But it's not limited to Silicon Valley. >> But it's not limited to Silicon Valley. It's the whole idea that again investors It's the whole idea that again investors It's the whole idea that again investors they want to put 100 and get 150 and they want to put 100 and get 150 and they want to put 100 and get 150 and whatever the parameters behind it they whatever the parameters behind it they whatever the parameters behind it they don't care and if they don't they move don't care and if they don't they move don't care and if they don't they move somewhere else. So anyway it just somewhere else. So anyway it just somewhere else. So anyway it just >> yeah but you're you're >> yeah but you're you're >> yeah but you're you're I think that's oversimplification. You I think that's oversimplification. You I think that's oversimplification. You do need to you you know in order to do need to you you know in order to do need to you you know in order to understand the problem. No, I understand understand the problem. No, I understand understand the problem. No, I understand that. But give me that. But give me that. But give me >> a generalization. You talk about the >> a generalization. You talk about the >> a generalization. You talk about the mechanics of it all. And mechanics of it all. And mechanics of it all. And >> yeah, but give give me evidence that the >> yeah, but give give me evidence that the >> yeah, but give give me evidence that the people who are on mass follow this people who are on mass follow this people who are on mass follow this investment train do this exercise of investment train do this exercise of investment train do this exercise of going down into the details. I think going down into the details. I think going down into the details. I think it's not fashionable anymore.

it's not fashionable anymore. it's not fashionable anymore. >> This is the reason this is I mean there >> This is the reason this is I mean there >> This is the reason this is I mean there was an observation recently that that was an observation recently that that was an observation recently that that that that I don't remember where I read that that I don't remember where I read that that I don't remember where I read that but I mean it's only fairly recent that but I mean it's only fairly recent that but I mean it's only fairly recent that the number of employees or the that the number of employees or the that the number of employees or the headcount has become a viable adjustment headcount has become a viable adjustment headcount has become a viable adjustment in the CEO mind. It was not the case 30 in the CEO mind. It was not the case 30 in the CEO mind. It was not the case 30 or 40 years ago. Now it's totally or 40 years ago. Now it's totally or 40 years ago. Now it's totally natural. You're not delivering enough natural. You're not delivering enough natural. You're not delivering enough profit. You just fire people. So the profit. You just fire people. So the profit. You just fire people. So the concept of entrepreneur investing and concept of entrepreneur investing and concept of entrepreneur investing and building economy is being reduced. I'm building economy is being reduced. I'm building economy is being reduced. I'm putting a 100. I'm expecting 120. You putting a 100. I'm expecting 120. You putting a 100. I'm expecting 120. You deliver 118. Do something. deliver 118. Do something. deliver 118. Do something. >> It's been I don't know. I I I talked to >> It's been I don't know. I I I talked to >> It's been I don't know. I I I talked to I talked to a lot of people about this I talked to a lot of people about this I talked to a lot of people about this about this whole thing, right? And they about this whole thing, right? And they about this whole thing, right? And they want to know, you know, how'd you do it? want to know, you know, how'd you do it? want to know, you know, how'd you do it? And I'm like, it [ __ ] takes a long And I'm like, it [ __ ] takes a long And I'm like, it [ __ ] takes a long time. And I mean, you know, there is no time. And I mean, you know, there is no time. And I mean, you know, there is no there is no easy button here, people. there is no easy button here, people. there is no easy button here, people. >> It takes a long time. And the bigger >> It takes a long time. And the bigger >> It takes a long time. And the bigger part of it is you cannot listen to the part of it is you cannot listen to the part of it is you cannot listen to the background noise. background noise. background noise. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Many times people told me you're you >> Many times people told me you're you >> Many times people told me you're you guys are going to fail. You guys guys are going to fail. You guys guys are going to fail. You guys are out of business and we are growing.

are out of business and we are growing. are out of business and we are growing. >> We're in violent agreement, guys. But >> We're in violent agreement, guys. But >> We're in violent agreement, guys. But the thing what I'm saying is that the the thing what I'm saying is that the the thing what I'm saying is that the the maybe it's the the the the noise the maybe it's the the the the noise the maybe it's the the the the noise level is much much higher than it was. level is much much higher than it was. level is much much higher than it was. >> Yeah. But I don't know. I mean >> Yeah. But I don't know. I mean >> Yeah. But I don't know. I mean >> I mean all this all this investment in >> I mean all this all this investment in >> I mean all this all this investment in cryptocurrency things and all this cryptocurrency things and all this cryptocurrency things and all this fiasco we're seeing is because there's a fiasco we're seeing is because there's a fiasco we're seeing is because there's a mass number of people who have been mass number of people who have been mass number of people who have been lured to think that it's easy. It's lured to think that it's easy. It's lured to think that it's easy. It's simple. simple. simple. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean they sell it. That's what they're >> I mean they sell it. That's what they're >> I mean they sell it. That's what they're selling the dream basically. Right. But selling the dream basically. Right. But selling the dream basically. Right. But they can't sustain it because it's an they can't sustain it because it's an they can't sustain it because it's an illusion. And because we are now because illusion. And because we are now because illusion. And because we are now because we are now in this digital world of mass we are now in this digital world of mass we are now in this digital world of mass surveillance. And the funny thing about surveillance. And the funny thing about surveillance. And the funny thing about mass surveillance when you say mass mass surveillance when you say mass mass surveillance when you say mass surveillance people say oh it's the surveillance people say oh it's the surveillance people say oh it's the government in the snow and it's the FBI. government in the snow and it's the FBI. government in the snow and it's the FBI. I'm I'm actually happy when the FBI is I'm I'm actually happy when the FBI is I'm I'm actually happy when the FBI is my data. What I'm not happy is when Meta my data. What I'm not happy is when Meta my data. What I'm not happy is when Meta Amazon Amazon Amazon X whatever all those guys who makes X whatever all those guys who makes X whatever all those guys who makes money out of it and resell it in my back money out of it and resell it in my back money out of it and resell it in my back and I have no idea. This is what the and I have no idea. This is what the and I have no idea. This is what the danger is and that people don't realize danger is and that people don't realize danger is and that people don't realize that they are manipulated by all those that they are manipulated by all those that they are manipulated by all those companies. They're not manipulated by companies. They're not manipulated by companies. They're not manipulated by the FBI. They're not manipulated by the the FBI. They're not manipulated by the the FBI. They're not manipulated by the government.

government. government. >> Yeah. Well, I I I'm not cool with the >> Yeah. Well, I I I'm not cool with the >> Yeah. Well, I I I'm not cool with the government having that much of my government having that much of my government having that much of my information either. information either. information either. >> Yeah. But how much but how much policies >> Yeah. But how much but how much policies >> Yeah. But how much but how much policies look look at the look at the imbalance look look at the look at the imbalance look look at the look at the imbalance >> that that's the that's that's >> that that's the that's that's >> that that's the that's that's that is that mentality shift that that is that mentality shift that that is that mentality shift that happened amongst Americans where all of happened amongst Americans where all of happened amongst Americans where all of a sudden we don't care about privacy. We a sudden we don't care about privacy. We a sudden we don't care about privacy. We don't care about um certain rights that don't care about um certain rights that don't care about um certain rights that now now now we've been indoctrinated and conditioned we've been indoctrinated and conditioned we've been indoctrinated and conditioned to basically not value anymore. And you to basically not value anymore. And you to basically not value anymore. And you know um and that that's know um and that that's know um and that that's >> that's that's >> that's that's >> that's that's a problem and a problem and a problem and >> we care about our privacy >> we care about our privacy >> we care about our privacy >> a lot and all but the point my point is >> a lot and all but the point my point is >> a lot and all but the point my point is I don't think people are aware if people I don't think people are aware if people I don't think people are aware if people were aware were aware were aware >> no forgot >> no forgot >> no forgot >> they generations have forgotten yes >> they generations have forgotten yes >> they generations have forgotten yes >> I don't think they forgotten because >> I don't think they forgotten because >> I don't think they forgotten because they don't see how much data about they don't see how much data about they don't see how much data about themselves is being monetized on their themselves is being monetized on their themselves is being monetized on their back and they don't see how much it back and they don't see how much it back and they don't see how much it influences their buying behavior.

influences their buying behavior. influences their buying behavior. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So they don't realize it anymore and >> So they don't realize it anymore and >> So they don't realize it anymore and they are being focused probably by very they are being focused probably by very they are being focused probably by very specific willingness onto the oh the specific willingness onto the oh the specific willingness onto the oh the government should not know about you. Oh government should not know about you. Oh government should not know about you. Oh the government should not do this. Oh the government should not do this. Oh the government should not do this. Oh the we throw them this bone and in the the we throw them this bone and in the the we throw them this bone and in the back in the backyard Google Amazon back in the backyard Google Amazon back in the backyard Google Amazon collect the data get the data influence collect the data get the data influence collect the data get the data influence you. I mean I work for a geospacecial you. I mean I work for a geospacecial you. I mean I work for a geospacecial company now so I'm doing research on company now so I'm doing research on company now so I'm doing research on roofing. This morning I turn on the roofing. This morning I turn on the roofing. This morning I turn on the French TV on my Apple TV. There's a n French TV on my Apple TV. There's a n French TV on my Apple TV. There's a n for roofing. for roofing. for roofing. >> How freaking I mean >> How freaking I mean >> How freaking I mean >> crazy the the mass surveillance at scale >> crazy the the mass surveillance at scale >> crazy the the mass surveillance at scale at the individual level that happen by at the individual level that happen by at the individual level that happen by businesses. People don't realize that. businesses. People don't realize that. businesses. People don't realize that. So anyway, I'm stop rambling now. So anyway, I'm stop rambling now. So anyway, I'm stop rambling now. >> Yeah. Anyway, um all right, let's call >> Yeah. Anyway, um all right, let's call >> Yeah. Anyway, um all right, let's call it. Um little dreamers. Debbie, you you it. Um little dreamers. Debbie, you you it. Um little dreamers. Debbie, you you really nailed the really nailed the really nailed the you know the nailed the nail on you know the nailed the nail on you know the nailed the nail on need the coffee. need the coffee. need the coffee. >> I made the coffee. >> I made the coffee. >> I made the coffee. >> Thanks for thanks for joining if you >> Thanks for thanks for joining if you >> Thanks for thanks for joining if you made it this far. Wow, that's really made it this far. Wow, that's really made it this far. Wow, that's really incredible. I have no idea how you did incredible. I have no idea how you did incredible. I have no idea how you did it, but we talked about a lot of stuff.

it, but we talked about a lot of stuff. it, but we talked about a lot of stuff. We started off with crypto. We talked We started off with crypto. We talked We started off with crypto. We talked about how it really isn't an asset, it's about how it really isn't an asset, it's about how it really isn't an asset, it's an instrument. And um had a nice debate an instrument. And um had a nice debate an instrument. And um had a nice debate about that. And if you made it this far, about that. And if you made it this far, about that. And if you made it this far, you already know. I don't know why I'm you already know. I don't know why I'm you already know. I don't know why I'm repeating all this stuff, but we really repeating all this stuff, but we really repeating all this stuff, but we really appreciate you guys. uh listening in. appreciate you guys. uh listening in. appreciate you guys. uh listening in. Hopefully, we're creating more signal Hopefully, we're creating more signal Hopefully, we're creating more signal and reducing the noise uh in your life and reducing the noise uh in your life and reducing the noise uh in your life in especially as it relates to IoT and in especially as it relates to IoT and in especially as it relates to IoT and all things uh technology. And we hope all things uh technology. And we hope all things uh technology. And we hope that you continue to come back and um that you continue to come back and um that you continue to come back and um not repeat the mistakes of the past not repeat the mistakes of the past not repeat the mistakes of the past because it looks like we're going to do because it looks like we're going to do because it looks like we're going to do that again with IoT, digital twins, and that again with IoT, digital twins, and that again with IoT, digital twins, and a bunch of other stuff that we should a bunch of other stuff that we should a bunch of other stuff that we should have learned from in the first hype have learned from in the first hype have learned from in the first hype cycle and crypto. So uh but anyway um cycle and crypto. So uh but anyway um cycle and crypto. So uh but anyway um remember that we are transitioning our remember that we are transitioning our remember that we are transitioning our the charity that we sponsor which is the charity that we sponsor which is the charity that we sponsor which is Elevate Our Communities which is a great Elevate Our Communities which is a great Elevate Our Communities which is a great charity. We're looking to take charity. We're looking to take charity. We're looking to take technology blueprints to communities in technology blueprints to communities in technology blueprints to communities in need that are looking to be more need that are looking to be more need that are looking to be more resilient in the face of um you know resilient in the face of um you know resilient in the face of um you know growing natural disasters, right? And so growing natural disasters, right? And so growing natural disasters, right? And so we're looking to help these communities we're looking to help these communities we're looking to help these communities build their preparedness as well as build their preparedness as well as build their preparedness as well as their um intelligence around uh some of their um intelligence around uh some of their um intelligence around uh some of these disasters so that they can be these disasters so that they can be these disasters so that they can be prepared as well as proactive and how prepared as well as proactive and how prepared as well as proactive and how they deal with uh these events. And um I

they deal with uh these events. And um I they deal with uh these events. And um I think it's a great opportunity for a lot think it's a great opportunity for a lot think it's a great opportunity for a lot of vendors out there to get involved and of vendors out there to get involved and of vendors out there to get involved and help uh create these quickly deployable help uh create these quickly deployable help uh create these quickly deployable and economical uh solution blueprints. and economical uh solution blueprints. and economical uh solution blueprints. And um remember uh to follow us uh on um And um remember uh to follow us uh on um And um remember uh to follow us uh on um IoT Coffee Talk at www.iocopytalk.com. IoT Coffee Talk at www.iocopytalk.com. IoT Coffee Talk at www.iocopytalk.com. It's been a long week and we look It's been a long week and we look It's been a long week and we look forward to seeing you next week. So, forward to seeing you next week. So, forward to seeing you next week. So, everyone take care. everyone take care. everyone take care. >> Ciao. >> Ciao. >> Ciao. >> Ciao. >> Ciao. >> Ciao. >> I can't even do that. I'm Korean. I >> I can't even do that. I'm Korean. I >> I can't even do that. I'm Korean. I can't freaking do these little K-pop can't freaking do these little K-pop can't freaking do these little K-pop heart things, man. It pisses me off. heart things, man. It pisses me off. heart things, man. It pisses me off. See, even AI doesn't recognize me. All See, even AI doesn't recognize me. All See, even AI doesn't recognize me. All right. See you guys. Bye.