IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 202 - Farts in Space!! (The Carbon Emissions Episode)

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Cut Thea today I feel like gurn Cut Thea today I feel like gurn University but a come on both of you University but a come on both of you University but a come on both of you guys oh look at this guy guys oh look at this guy guys oh look at this guy [Music] [Music] [Music] he left he he he left he he he left he he left he's going to go get his Shir on left he's going to go get his Shir on left he's going to go get his Shir on yeah I know he doesn't know that there's yeah I know he doesn't know that there's yeah I know he doesn't know that there's like a a video button you know yeah yeah like a a video button you know yeah yeah like a a video button you know yeah yeah these techno guys right so last week we these techno guys right so last week we these techno guys right so last week we were talking about March Madness and I were talking about March Madness and I were talking about March Madness and I was so proud of the alurn Tigers and was so proud of the alurn Tigers and was so proud of the alurn Tigers and they lost in the first round oh so I'm they lost in the first round oh so I'm they lost in the first round oh so I'm wearing the t-shirt and you know to wearing the t-shirt and you know to wearing the t-shirt and you know to support them let them know I still love support them let them know I still love support them let them know I still love them okay all right you get a pass you them okay all right you get a pass you them okay all right you get a pass you get a pass this time the Tigers there get a pass this time the Tigers there get a pass this time the Tigers there you go morning come M come here hey you you go morning come M come here hey you you go morning come M come here hey you yeah yeah shirt of warning or the the yeah yeah shirt of warning or the the yeah yeah shirt of warning or the the hoodie of morning so um yeah what's hoodie of morning so um yeah what's hoodie of morning so um yeah what's going on going on going on guys well still recovering from Nvidia guys well still recovering from Nvidia guys well still recovering from Nvidia GTC but I think you guys covered that GTC but I think you guys covered that GTC but I think you guys covered that pretty well last week I know yeah I pretty well last week I know yeah I pretty well last week I know yeah I don't know if there I mean you know um don't know if there I mean you know um don't know if there I mean you know um there was so much at that event it was there was so much at that event it was there was so much at that event it was it was insane um you feel recovered it was insane um you feel recovered it was insane um you feel recovered Leonard Leonard do you feel recovered no Leonard Leonard do you feel recovered no Leonard Leonard do you feel recovered no um actually Oh you mean for um for from um actually Oh you mean for um for from um actually Oh you mean for um for from GTC from GTC yeah you were busy and P GTC from GTC yeah you were busy and P GTC from GTC yeah you were busy and P even more so he didn't join us yeah I even more so he didn't join us yeah I even more so he didn't join us yeah I know Pete was on a flight uh actually know Pete was on a flight uh actually know Pete was on a flight uh actually the the that last day was really good the the that last day was really good the the that last day was really good because I got to spend a lot of time on because I got to spend a lot of time on because I got to spend a lot of time on the the the floor meet up with a lot of companies

floor meet up with a lot of companies floor meet up with a lot of companies and yeah I'm telling you that's really and yeah I'm telling you that's really and yeah I'm telling you that's really where you get a lot of the information where you get a lot of the information where you get a lot of the information maybe I shouldn't disclaim this stuff or maybe I shouldn't disclaim this stuff or maybe I shouldn't disclaim this stuff or disclose this stuff because maybe the disclose this stuff because maybe the disclose this stuff because maybe the teams will start to catch win but um you teams will start to catch win but um you teams will start to catch win but um you know if if you really think about it the know if if you really think about it the know if if you really think about it the AR program is cool the they're they're AR program is cool the they're they're AR program is cool the they're they're really great but they have a dual really great but they have a dual really great but they have a dual purpose number one to let you know and purpose number one to let you know and purpose number one to let you know and give you access to you know the give you access to you know the give you access to you know the executives and the product teams to get executives and the product teams to get executives and the product teams to get the messaging from them right what are the messaging from them right what are the messaging from them right what are things what you should emphasize but things what you should emphasize but things what you should emphasize but sometimes these programs can be really sometimes these programs can be really sometimes these programs can be really consuming in terms of your time with uh consuming in terms of your time with uh consuming in terms of your time with uh customers and uh you know the vendors on customers and uh you know the vendors on customers and uh you know the vendors on the floor and right um man that that the floor and right um man that that the floor and right um man that that last day I got so much everything else last day I got so much everything else last day I got so much everything else you kind of already know even before you you kind of already know even before you you kind of already know even before you you spend time in the program so um I you spend time in the program so um I you spend time in the program so um I did I did watch Jensen's the recording did I did watch Jensen's the recording did I did watch Jensen's the recording of his AR session you were there uh they of his AR session you were there uh they of his AR session you were there uh they just put that up and I watched that just put that up and I watched that just put that up and I watched that yesterday that was interesting to see yesterday that was interesting to see yesterday that was interesting to see him kind of wax poetic on yeah future him kind of wax poetic on yeah future him kind of wax poetic on yeah future yeah got yeah check it out he he um he yeah got yeah check it out he he um he yeah got yeah check it out he he um he goes on and on you know I mean he's a goes on and on you know I mean he's a goes on and on you know I mean he's a talker if you know for sure um but you talker if you know for sure um but you talker if you know for sure um but you know seem like everybody's teaming up know seem like everybody's teaming up know seem like everybody's teaming up with Nvidia right now say what exactly with Nvidia right now say what exactly with Nvidia right now say what exactly everybody everybody's teaming up with everybody everybody's teaming up with everybody everybody's teaming up with Nvidia right now sure yeah yeah I mean Nvidia right now sure yeah yeah I mean Nvidia right now sure yeah yeah I mean it's like I mean they have it's like

it's like I mean they have it's like it's like I mean they have it's like what where where do we say this they what where where do we say this they what where where do we say this they have Platinum axes and so everyone have Platinum axes and so everyone have Platinum axes and so everyone thinks that there's something more thinks that there's something more thinks that there's something more valuable than Platinum up in you know valuable than Platinum up in you know valuable than Platinum up in you know some californi hills somewhere some californi hills somewhere some californi hills somewhere everybody's I mean of course but you everybody's I mean of course but you everybody's I mean of course but you know it's like what we've said on iot know it's like what we've said on iot know it's like what we've said on iot coffee talk for a million years already coffee talk for a million years already coffee talk for a million years already is you can partner with a million people is you can partner with a million people is you can partner with a million people if none of them produce revenue for you if none of them produce revenue for you if none of them produce revenue for you none of them can figure out what to do none of them can figure out what to do none of them can figure out what to do with your technology or your your with your technology or your your with your technology or your your widget it's just a logo on a page you widget it's just a logo on a page you widget it's just a logo on a page you know so it it I mean you know I look but know so it it I mean you know I look but know so it it I mean you know I look but you know yeah you it can have the you know yeah you it can have the you know yeah you it can have the opposite effect too sure yeah have put a opposite effect too sure yeah have put a opposite effect too sure yeah have put a lot of energy into it it's got to be in lot of energy into it it's got to be in lot of energy into it it's got to be in a creative partnership Partnerships work a creative partnership Partnerships work a creative partnership Partnerships work where you're filling the gap of someone where you're filling the gap of someone where you're filling the gap of someone else and vice versa like and there's else and vice versa like and there's else and vice versa like and there's always the option to not partner and always the option to not partner and always the option to not partner and just meet in the market and solve just meet in the market and solve just meet in the market and solve customer problems that way or you could customer problems that way or you could customer problems that way or you could kind of partner and pro you know kind of partner and pro you know kind of partner and pro you know proactively or preemptively work proactively or preemptively work proactively or preemptively work together and that should result in more together and that should result in more together and that should result in more business than the other than than not business than the other than than not business than the other than than not working together and that's it's tough working together and that's it's tough working together and that's it's tough though to make those calls CU I think as though to make those calls CU I think as though to make those calls CU I think as a smaller company you want to sort of a smaller company you want to sort of a smaller company you want to sort of attach your name to a bigger thing and attach your name to a bigger thing and attach your name to a bigger thing and show some momentum but at the end of the show some momentum but at the end of the show some momentum but at the end of the day if it doesn't produce incremental day if it doesn't produce incremental day if it doesn't produce incremental you know um business that would have you know um business that would have you know um business that would have otherwise happened then well yeah it otherwise happened then well yeah it otherwise happened then well yeah it just then just kind of diminishes into just then just kind of diminishes into just then just kind of diminishes into some um you know some marketing yeah some um you know some marketing yeah some um you know some marketing yeah it's just press releases and right yeah it's just press releases and right yeah it's just press releases and right yeah and then logos logo and then logos logo and then logos logo slides yeah and and and that's the the

slides yeah and and and that's the the slides yeah and and and that's the the big problem and fomo right because big problem and fomo right because big problem and fomo right because it's like there's there's a side effect it's like there's there's a side effect it's like there's there's a side effect of fomo big time in terms of partnering of fomo big time in terms of partnering of fomo big time in terms of partnering yeah but you know when you do get into yeah but you know when you do get into yeah but you know when you do get into some grounded conversations with folks some grounded conversations with folks some grounded conversations with folks then you get a feel don't even have to then you get a feel don't even have to then you get a feel don't even have to say it you know you know what I'm saying say it you know you know what I'm saying say it you know you know what I'm saying um you just look at their product you um you just look at their product you um you just look at their product you know um you know and I think that's like know um you know and I think that's like know um you know and I think that's like um that that's the thing about um being um that that's the thing about um being um that that's the thing about um being um experienced and proficient in in sort um experienced and proficient in in sort um experienced and proficient in in sort of what um you know we do and um what I of what um you know we do and um what I of what um you know we do and um what I do as an analyst right it's you know do as an analyst right it's you know do as an analyst right it's you know people can you know there's like folks people can you know there's like folks people can you know there's like folks going oh you know a general of AI is going oh you know a general of AI is going oh you know a general of AI is going to kill analyst it's like yeah the going to kill analyst it's like yeah the going to kill analyst it's like yeah the bad ones it'll kill off the bad ones bad ones it'll kill off the bad ones bad ones it'll kill off the bad ones yeah they're they're just yeah they're they're just yeah they're they're just regurgitating press releases they're not regurgitating press releases they're not regurgitating press releases they're not doing any kind of analysis you see a lot doing any kind of analysis you see a lot doing any kind of analysis you see a lot of reports out there it's like okay you of reports out there it's like okay you of reports out there it's like okay you know what if you can copy and paste that know what if you can copy and paste that know what if you can copy and paste that stuff from a press release or a spec stuff from a press release or a spec stuff from a press release or a spec sheet and then dump it into your report sheet and then dump it into your report sheet and then dump it into your report and then get a GPT guess what anyone can and then get a GPT guess what anyone can and then get a GPT guess what anyone can do that do that do that right what I thought was interesting right what I thought was interesting right what I thought was interesting though is that if you look at just this though is that if you look at just this though is that if you look at just this past month here you got you got honey past month here you got you got honey past month here you got you got honey wol seens and Rockwell all announcing wol seens and Rockwell all announcing wol seens and Rockwell all announcing Nvidia Nvidia Nvidia Partnerships yeah yeah well they've had Partnerships yeah yeah well they've had Partnerships yeah yeah well they've had things going on I mean let's not forget

things going on I mean let's not forget things going on I mean let's not forget Microsoft oh yeah yeah for sure um Microsoft oh yeah yeah for sure um Microsoft oh yeah yeah for sure um they're going around I mean you know they're going around I mean you know they're going around I mean you know they're they're pushing this stuff they they're they're pushing this stuff they they're they're pushing this stuff they they want people to play with it they they want people to play with it they they want people to play with it they want to get poc's going experiment going want to get poc's going experiment going want to get poc's going experiment going um because that's going to that's going um because that's going to that's going um because that's going to that's going to for the moment hydrate things it's to for the moment hydrate things it's to for the moment hydrate things it's still the big question whether or not still the big question whether or not still the big question whether or not any of the stuff sticks right and you any of the stuff sticks right and you any of the stuff sticks right and you know it sticks in certain areas but yeah know it sticks in certain areas but yeah know it sticks in certain areas but yeah I was I was watching the Adobe um Adobe I was I was watching the Adobe um Adobe I was I was watching the Adobe um Adobe note yeah yesterday yesterday and you note yeah yesterday yesterday and you note yeah yesterday yesterday and you know I I I noticed something very know I I I noticed something very know I I I noticed something very interesting that I don't think anybody interesting that I don't think anybody interesting that I don't think anybody else really picked up on the their use else really picked up on the their use else really picked up on the their use of generative AI is very narrow in in of generative AI is very narrow in in of generative AI is very narrow in in other words where it becomes useful and other words where it becomes useful and other words where it becomes useful and this is exactly what my my my tenant um this is exactly what my my my tenant um this is exactly what my my my tenant um in downtown San Diego who's a renowned in downtown San Diego who's a renowned in downtown San Diego who's a renowned um design um design um design artist uh he told me if you take a artist uh he told me if you take a artist uh he told me if you take a single layer so you might have a single layer so you might have a single layer so you might have a composition that might have a thousand composition that might have a thousand composition that might have a thousand layers on it right m you take one layers on it right m you take one layers on it right m you take one element one layer and then you affect uh element one layer and then you affect uh element one layer and then you affect uh something with generative AI in that something with generative AI in that something with generative AI in that element what you're not typically going element what you're not typically going element what you're not typically going to see is somebody go and um just to see is somebody go and um just to see is somebody go and um just generate something and from scratch yeah generate something and from scratch yeah generate something and from scratch yeah from scratch and use that right what from scratch and use that right what from scratch and use that right what they do is the way that they isolate and they do is the way that they isolate and they do is the way that they isolate and drisk the use of generative Ai and this drisk the use of generative Ai and this drisk the use of generative Ai and this this relegates generative AI to a an

this relegates generative AI to a an this relegates generative AI to a an ancillary function not a primary ancillary function not a primary ancillary function not a primary big deal okay is to isolate it with big deal okay is to isolate it with big deal okay is to isolate it with layers and that's what they were doing layers and that's what they were doing layers and that's what they were doing they were showing but everyone in the they were showing but everyone in the they were showing but everyone in the audience thought wow oh my God it can do audience thought wow oh my God it can do audience thought wow oh my God it can do all this no actually for the Creator it all this no actually for the Creator it all this no actually for the Creator it can't do what people think it can do it can't do what people think it can do it can't do what people think it can do it becomes very useful though in isolation becomes very useful though in isolation becomes very useful though in isolation control isolation within the framework control isolation within the framework control isolation within the framework of the human creativity right going yeah of the human creativity right going yeah of the human creativity right going yeah and I think for for for Adobe whose you and I think for for for Adobe whose you and I think for for for Adobe whose you audience are creators right I mean it's audience are creators right I mean it's audience are creators right I mean it's sort of like how do you make generative sort of like how do you make generative sort of like how do you make generative AI a tool in the toolbox for your AI a tool in the toolbox for your AI a tool in the toolbox for your creation you know and that's that's an creation you know and that's that's an creation you know and that's that's an important message I saw grammarly ad the important message I saw grammarly ad the important message I saw grammarly ad the other day I it was online I don't know I other day I it was online I don't know I other day I it was online I don't know I can't remember anymore what screen I was can't remember anymore what screen I was can't remember anymore what screen I was looking at but um you know she's writing looking at but um you know she's writing looking at but um you know she's writing up a report blah blah blah grammarly up a report blah blah blah grammarly up a report blah blah blah grammarly grammarly you know and and then she's grammarly you know and and then she's grammarly you know and and then she's got five minutes left she got has to do got five minutes left she got has to do got five minutes left she got has to do a summary you know and so she hits the a summary you know and so she hits the a summary you know and so she hits the button and it and it writes the summary button and it and it writes the summary button and it and it writes the summary for her and I was kind of like hm you for her and I was kind of like hm you for her and I was kind of like hm you know I get it like that helps you go know I get it like that helps you go know I get it like that helps you go faster um but you know that might be faster um but you know that might be faster um but you know that might be yeah not really because like what the yeah not really because like what the yeah not really because like what the summary is kind of like the most summary is kind of like the most summary is kind of like the most important part isn't it I mean that's important part isn't it I mean that's important part isn't it I mean that's what I remember so but but but here's what I remember so but but but here's what I remember so but but but here's how the demos actually go they they put how the demos actually go they they put how the demos actually go they they put the thing the demo in front of you they the thing the demo in front of you they the thing the demo in front of you they press the button okay and it doesn't press the button okay and it doesn't press the button okay and it doesn't quite work it doesn't deliver exactly quite work it doesn't deliver exactly quite work it doesn't deliver exactly what you want you press it again again what you want you press it again again what you want you press it again again again again again again and boom there's

again again again again and boom there's again again again again and boom there's something that can kind of be usable and something that can kind of be usable and something that can kind of be usable and one of the great ex one example of that one of the great ex one example of that one of the great ex one example of that was when one of the executives was doing was when one of the executives was doing was when one of the executives was doing this demo of how you can um you can you this demo of how you can um you can you this demo of how you can um you can you there's like this masking tool that they there's like this masking tool that they there's like this masking tool that they have magic masking tool none of this have magic masking tool none of this have magic masking tool none of this stuff is is novel other than a slight stuff is is novel other than a slight stuff is is novel other than a slight generative function but they wanted to generative function but they wanted to generative function but they wanted to do a generative replacement and of you do a generative replacement and of you do a generative replacement and of you know some uh thing in the photo that know some uh thing in the photo that know some uh thing in the photo that they just wanted to eliminate right they just wanted to eliminate right they just wanted to eliminate right right s magic select so yeah they did right s magic select so yeah they did right s magic select so yeah they did this um this um generative AI this um this um generative AI this um this um generative AI replacement and it was for any replacement and it was for any replacement and it was for any professional even an amateur like me professional even an amateur like me professional even an amateur like me could tell wait a minute there's could tell wait a minute there's could tell wait a minute there's something wrong with this replacement something wrong with this replacement something wrong with this replacement image and that you would have to do more image and that you would have to do more image and that you would have to do more work to integrate it in yes it did work to integrate it in yes it did work to integrate it in yes it did something really interesting meaning it something really interesting meaning it something really interesting meaning it eliminated um this undesired object in eliminated um this undesired object in eliminated um this undesired object in the picture yeah but it the the the picture yeah but it the the the picture yeah but it the the replacement wasn't replacement wasn't replacement wasn't perfect it wasn't finished and so perfect it wasn't finished and so perfect it wasn't finished and so there's still going to be a human sure there's still going to be a human sure there's still going to be a human sure sure well this is where your Master's in sure well this is where your Master's in sure well this is where your Master's in prompt engineering is going to come in prompt engineering is going to come in prompt engineering is going to come in handy that master's degree in prompt handy that master's degree in prompt handy that master's degree in prompt engineering no it's not what you're engineering no it's not what you're engineering no it's not what you're going to do is you're going to use the going to do is you're going to use the going to do is you're going to use the basic tools that you have or the tools basic tools that you have or the tools basic tools that you have or the tools that they're already there to go and that they're already there to go and that they're already there to go and then fix it I but that's that's still then fix it I but that's that's still then fix it I but that's that's still more work and so you know these folks more work and so you know these folks more work and so you know these folks that are going around saying oh it that are going around saying oh it that are going around saying oh it reduced my you know those are like very

reduced my you know those are like very reduced my you know those are like very like I I think they're no I know I'm like I I think they're no I know I'm like I I think they're no I know I'm half joking but you got you gota you half joking but you got you gota you half joking but you got you gota you know you guys haven't seen the Shelor know you guys haven't seen the Shelor know you guys haven't seen the Shelor University offerings for Masters and University offerings for Masters and University offerings for Masters and phds and prompt engineering it's only phds and prompt engineering it's only phds and prompt engineering it's only $499 it's it's really yeah there tons of $499 it's it's really yeah there tons of $499 it's it's really yeah there tons of offers out there right now interesting I offers out there right now interesting I offers out there right now interesting I think the whole g i right now at least think the whole g i right now at least think the whole g i right now at least in States it's at it's good for getting in States it's at it's good for getting in States it's at it's good for getting ideas good for getting a rough draft uh ideas good for getting a rough draft uh ideas good for getting a rough draft uh you know especially on the graphic side you know especially on the graphic side you know especially on the graphic side I'm I'm still surprised don't don't ask I'm I'm still surprised don't don't ask I'm I'm still surprised don't don't ask for anything that has text in it for anything that has text in it for anything that has text in it because gonna come up with some kind of because gonna come up with some kind of because gonna come up with some kind of really really weird like response that really really weird like response that really really weird like response that doesn't make any sense at all which is doesn't make any sense at all which is doesn't make any sense at all which is kind of surprising to me when the kind of surprising to me when the kind of surprising to me when the generative I started with text right generative I started with text right generative I started with text right you're talking about particular or some you're talking about particular or some you're talking about particular or some yeah Di and uh yeah all of them right yeah Di and uh yeah all of them right yeah Di and uh yeah all of them right now if you have anything that has text now if you have anything that has text now if you have anything that has text in it yeah that you for example if you in it yeah that you for example if you in it yeah that you for example if you want to have a a text Tex in the want to have a a text Tex in the want to have a a text Tex in the graphics the logo with text on it or graphics the logo with text on it or graphics the logo with text on it or whatever and the text is just going to whatever and the text is just going to whatever and the text is just going to beat they they'll fix that throw some beat they they'll fix that throw some beat they they'll fix that throw some black WS at it they'll fix it yeah some black WS at it they'll fix it yeah some black WS at it they'll fix it yeah some point they will but at least it's not point they will but at least it's not point they will but at least it's not not ready for time yet but it's good for not ready for time yet but it's good for not ready for time yet but it's good for right a lot of this is in draft format I right a lot of this is in draft format I right a lot of this is in draft format I mean that display should go there this mean that display should go there this mean that display should go there this is yeah this is DFT but they don't do is yeah this is DFT but they don't do is yeah this is DFT but they don't do that they say that but they don't do that they say that but they don't do that they say that but they don't do that exactly ready it's safe we can that exactly ready it's safe we can that exactly ready it's safe we can throw it in you know and that that that throw it in you know and that that that throw it in you know and that that that really is the the problem there's and really is the the problem there's and really is the the problem there's and you know the the other thing one of my

you know the the other thing one of my you know the the other thing one of my biggest findings from GTC is that biggest findings from GTC is that biggest findings from GTC is that there's no there's no way of there's no there's no there's no way of there's no there's no there's no way of there's no security for this security for this security for this stuff the only thing you can do is like stuff the only thing you can do is like stuff the only thing you can do is like literally they talk about confidential literally they talk about confidential literally they talk about confidential Computing but that's not security right Computing but that's not security right Computing but that's not security right that's that's trust it's a basis for that's that's trust it's a basis for that's that's trust it's a basis for secure security but you're basically secure security but you're basically secure security but you're basically saying we have to isolate this entire saying we have to isolate this entire saying we have to isolate this entire compute data or data center uh from the compute data or data center uh from the compute data or data center uh from the rest of the world it's like Battle Star rest of the world it's like Battle Star rest of the world it's like Battle Star Galactica right that's what confidential Galactica right that's what confidential Galactica right that's what confidential Computing really boils down Computing really boils down Computing really boils down to you know um no our show is amazing oh to you know um no our show is amazing oh to you know um no our show is amazing oh by the way we you know 10 by the way by the way we you know 10 by the way by the way we you know 10 by the way 10,000 downloads is a big fraking deal 10,000 downloads is a big fraking deal 10,000 downloads is a big fraking deal that probably means a million listens or that probably means a million listens or that probably means a million listens or not million 100,000 at least and that's not million 100,000 at least and that's not million 100,000 at least and that's pretty good for pretty good for pretty good for a you know a show that has iot in it a you know a show that has iot in it a you know a show that has iot in it which nobody seems we haven't been we which nobody seems we haven't been we which nobody seems we haven't been we haven't been thrown off the haven't been thrown off the haven't been thrown off the air yeah we may we this show may be the air yeah we may we this show may be the air yeah we may we this show may be the most successful iot venture out there most successful iot venture out there most successful iot venture out there actually yeah and we don't really get actually yeah and we don't really get actually yeah and we don't really get together because of iot we get together together because of iot we get together together because of iot we get together because we're trying to help bridge the because we're trying to help bridge the because we're trying to help bridge the digital Equity divide people so yeah we digital Equity divide people so yeah we digital Equity divide people so yeah we should have we should yeah I iot Coffee should have we should yeah I iot Coffee should have we should yeah I iot Coffee Talk is all about Elevate our kids so Talk is all about Elevate our kids so Talk is all about Elevate our kids so remember to buy your shirt if you're not remember to buy your shirt if you're not remember to buy your shirt if you're not into charity but you love f fashion and into charity but you love f fashion and into charity but you love f fashion and you want to look sexy I mean this is you want to look sexy I mean this is you want to look sexy I mean this is sexy sexy a sexy iot person hey man if

sexy sexy a sexy iot person hey man if sexy sexy a sexy iot person hey man if your whole family if your whole your whole family if your whole your whole family if your whole organization is wearing iot Coffee Talk organization is wearing iot Coffee Talk organization is wearing iot Coffee Talk t-shirt that that's pretty damn sexy I'm t-shirt that that's pretty damn sexy I'm t-shirt that that's pretty damn sexy I'm telling you yeah by the way Demetri I telling you yeah by the way Demetri I telling you yeah by the way Demetri I liked that initial camera angle you had liked that initial camera angle you had liked that initial camera angle you had I think it was like your whole room or I think it was like your whole room or I think it was like your whole room or something that was pretty cool something that was pretty cool something that was pretty cool yeah AI gone yeah you can see how much yeah AI gone yeah you can see how much yeah AI gone yeah you can see how much of a geek I am that's pretty awesome of a geek I am that's pretty awesome of a geek I am that's pretty awesome anyway it's um what's up anyway it's um what's up anyway it's um what's up Bill just hanging man listening Bill just hanging man listening Bill just hanging man listening listening to what's going on here and uh listening to what's going on here and uh listening to what's going on here and uh I mean you you mentioned security right I mean you you mentioned security right I mean you you mentioned security right I mean about across all of these llms I mean about across all of these llms I mean about across all of these llms and whatnot what about and whatnot what about and whatnot what about transparency ah forget about that what transparency ah forget about that what transparency ah forget about that what what about I mean what about what about I mean what about what about I mean what about transparency there is none of that but transparency there is none of that but transparency there is none of that but it's a black box man that's what it's a black box man that's what it's a black box man that's what everybody is saying so how do you expect everybody is saying so how do you expect everybody is saying so how do you expect transparency from a black transparency from a black transparency from a black box well look I'm I'm saying though box well look I'm I'm saying though box well look I'm I'm saying though whenever we say the Black Box I mean whenever we say the Black Box I mean whenever we say the Black Box I mean that's what's in those airplanes right that's what's in those airplanes right that's what's in those airplanes right and when they crash they just go get the and when they crash they just go get the and when they crash they just go get the black box for cargo ship because it black box for cargo ship because it black box for cargo ship because it because it it it because it it it because it it it lived right you know well it'll be nice lived right you know well it'll be nice lived right you know well it'll be nice to know like for every model what was it to know like for every model what was it to know like for every model what was it trained on you know I'm not sure how you trained on you know I'm not sure how you trained on you know I'm not sure how you know how you do that or how you know how you do that or how you know how you do that or how you communicate that in a way that is communicate that in a way that is communicate that in a way that is valuable but it would be nice to know valuable but it would be nice to know valuable but it would be nice to know what is the data set that this thing was what is the data set that this thing was what is the data set that this thing was trained on but you know that could be trained on but you know that could be trained on but you know that could be one that would be part of transparency one that would be part of transparency one that would be part of transparency right I mean yeah sure and that would right I mean yeah sure and that would right I mean yeah sure and that would have to be more of a regulatory thing or have to be more of a regulatory thing or have to be more of a regulatory thing or some sort of best practice but yeah

some sort of best practice but yeah some sort of best practice but yeah proprietary yeah the other aspect of proprietary yeah the other aspect of proprietary yeah the other aspect of that is also you know the data you're that is also you know the data you're that is also you know the data you're putting into because when you interact putting into because when you interact putting into because when you interact with this model all your proms goes into with this model all your proms goes into with this model all your proms goes into the system what do they do with it do the system what do they do with it do the system what do they do with it do they keep them sure for R trining so they keep them sure for R trining so they keep them sure for R trining so it's there's a whole transparency story it's there's a whole transparency story it's there's a whole transparency story around here yeah yeah no that's not around here yeah yeah no that's not around here yeah yeah no that's not built in hey Rob howdy what's up man built in hey Rob howdy what's up man built in hey Rob howdy what's up man he's looking studly I know cleaned up he's looking studly I know cleaned up he's looking studly I know cleaned up got like a little Superman curly que got like a little Superman curly que got like a little Superman curly que there too little C that's right yes so there too little C that's right yes so there too little C that's right yes so I'm down here kind of running the and I'm down here kind of running the and I'm down here kind of running the and I'm in Houston it's a carbon I'm in Houston it's a carbon I'm in Houston it's a carbon tracking and Reporting conference which tracking and Reporting conference which tracking and Reporting conference which Probably sounds really thrilling to you Probably sounds really thrilling to you Probably sounds really thrilling to you guys well I mean are they are they guys well I mean are they are they guys well I mean are they are they tracking the carbon in Houston because tracking the carbon in Houston because tracking the carbon in Houston because there's a lot trying there's a lot there's a lot trying there's a lot there's a lot trying there's a lot there's a lot might be the carbon there's a lot might be the carbon there's a lot might be the carbon capital of the world you never know I'm capital of the world you never know I'm capital of the world you never know I'm just saying yeah amazing location for just saying yeah amazing location for just saying yeah amazing location for such a conference that's a good you such a conference that's a good you such a conference that's a good you know of the of the year there's no know of the of the year there's no know of the of the year there's no shortage of irony when you're in Houston shortage of irony when you're in Houston shortage of irony when you're in Houston you got a lot of green technology you got a lot of green technology you got a lot of green technology companies all launching in Houston of companies all launching in Houston of companies all launching in Houston of all places so yeah it's kind of funny all places so yeah it's kind of funny all places so yeah it's kind of funny even though but you know everybody in even though but you know everybody in even though but you know everybody in attendance here it's the who's who attendance here it's the who's who attendance here it's the who's who they're all from the super major oil they're all from the super major oil they're all from the super major oil companies uh but they all work in the companies uh but they all work in the companies uh but they all work in the ESG sustainability departments so

Sur Pride but not so much anymore so Rob Sur Pride but not so much anymore so Rob Rob the big money in sustainability in Rob the big money in sustainability in Rob the big money in sustainability in in Texas is to find Prairie Land to in Texas is to find Prairie Land to in Texas is to find Prairie Land to stick uh wind generator uh you know stick uh wind generator uh you know stick uh wind generator uh you know props and everything else onto Farms props and everything else onto Farms props and everything else onto Farms that's where they're storing them now um that's where they're storing them now um that's where they're storing them now um a friend of mine out of West Texas has a friend of mine out of West Texas has a friend of mine out of West Texas has got over a 100 acres of got over a 100 acres of got over a 100 acres of just blades High about 30 feet up in the just blades High about 30 feet up in the just blades High about 30 feet up in the air I'm so glad I'm so glad you told me air I'm so glad I'm so glad you told me air I'm so glad I'm so glad you told me that because I've got a ranch about 25 that because I've got a ranch about 25 that because I've got a ranch about 25 miles out of Fredericksburg that's a miles out of Fredericksburg that's a miles out of Fredericksburg that's a whole lot of land I could spare a whole lot of land I could spare a whole lot of land I could spare a thousand acres to hold turbine blades thousand acres to hold turbine blades thousand acres to hold turbine blades yeah sure why not they they decided that yeah sure why not they they decided that yeah sure why not they they decided that they decided they did not need to put they decided they did not need to put they decided they did not need to put them into the Canyons where the spent them into the Canyons where the spent them into the Canyons where the spent nuclear rods are anymore they can now nuclear rods are anymore they can now nuclear rods are anymore they can now pile them up I see interesting I pile them up I see interesting I pile them up I see interesting I understand that the biggest shortage in understand that the biggest shortage in understand that the biggest shortage in the electrical system these days is in the electrical system these days is in the electrical system these days is in the Transformers there's a huge supply the Transformers there's a huge supply the Transformers there's a huge supply uh issue with just the Transformers and uh issue with just the Transformers and uh issue with just the Transformers and if you if you want to make some money if you if you want to make some money if you if you want to make some money get in the Transformer business and uh get in the Transformer business and uh get in the Transformer business and uh but it's a whole supply chain kind of uh but it's a whole supply chain kind of uh but it's a whole supply chain kind of uh complexity complexity complexity there because it's driven by all of the there because it's driven by all of the there because it's driven by all of the electrification right everybody's electrification right everybody's electrification right everybody's looking at how do we get these fleets looking at how do we get these fleets looking at how do we get these fleets electrified how do you know and and I electrified how do you know and and I electrified how do you know and and I mean and it's that it's truly the cart mean and it's that it's truly the cart mean and it's that it's truly the cart before the horse right I mean because before the horse right I mean because before the horse right I mean because there's a whole planning piece of it and there's a whole planning piece of it and there's a whole planning piece of it and then there's the demand piece of it and then there's the demand piece of it and then there's the demand piece of it and then it's like an unreliable grid then it's like an unreliable grid then it's like an unreliable grid already right already right already right how do we exacerbate the problem yeah

how do we exacerbate the problem yeah how do we exacerbate the problem yeah absolutely I like the recurring revenue absolutely I like the recurring revenue absolutely I like the recurring revenue from you know wind turbine sitting on a from you know wind turbine sitting on a from you know wind turbine sitting on a piece of land out in West Texas though I piece of land out in West Texas though I piece of land out in West Texas though I like that I'm gonna go with that that's like that I'm gonna go with that that's like that I'm gonna go with that that's easier that's easier than hurting cattle easier that's easier than hurting cattle easier that's easier than hurting cattle I think so I'm going to go with that I think so I'm going to go with that I think so I'm going to go with that yeah I mean but how do you get the yeah I mean but how do you get the yeah I mean but how do you get the recurring Revenue there right it's an recurring Revenue there right it's an recurring Revenue there right it's an Arbitrage exercise more than anything Arbitrage exercise more than anything Arbitrage exercise more than anything yeah but these guys have got to put it yeah but these guys have got to put it yeah but these guys have got to put it somewhere so they got to pay for it yeah somewhere so they got to pay for it yeah somewhere so they got to pay for it yeah but how do you get how do you how do you but how do you get how do you how do you but how do you get how do you how do you deal with guess pays you pays you a deal with guess pays you pays you a deal with guess pays you pays you a lease I guess right correct yeah you're lease I guess right correct yeah you're lease I guess right correct yeah you're putting kilowatt you're putting putting kilowatt you're putting putting kilowatt you're putting kilowatts into the grid and they're kilowatts into the grid and they're kilowatts into the grid and they're paying you 20 cents a kilowatt or paying you 20 cents a kilowatt or paying you 20 cents a kilowatt or whatever you're generating so yeah I whatever you're generating so yeah I whatever you're generating so yeah I tell you what's interesting about this tell you what's interesting about this tell you what's interesting about this conference it may not seem interesting conference it may not seem interesting conference it may not seem interesting to you but a whole lot of a lot of to you but a whole lot of a lot of to you but a whole lot of a lot of people are on the hook all these superm people are on the hook all these superm people are on the hook all these superm and every Oil Company you have so many and every Oil Company you have so many and every Oil Company you have so many different regulations for reporting uh different regulations for reporting uh different regulations for reporting uh emissions whether it's the EU whether emissions whether it's the EU whether emissions whether it's the EU whether it's the SEC passed rules uh California it's the SEC passed rules uh California it's the SEC passed rules uh California has their own rules that are stronger has their own rules that are stronger has their own rules that are stronger than the US rules shocker they always than the US rules shocker they always than the US rules shocker they always are you know you probably never heard of are you know you probably never heard of are you know you probably never heard of things like scope one two and three things like scope one two and three things like scope one two and three emissions um it's it's crazy but yeah so emissions um it's it's crazy but yeah so emissions um it's it's crazy but yeah so there's just it went from a nice to have there's just it went from a nice to have there's just it went from a nice to have to do virtue signaling saying yeah we to do virtue signaling saying yeah we to do virtue signaling saying yeah we care about the country or the care about the country or the care about the country or the environment to now there's hard environment to now there's hard environment to now there's hard regulations but it's a regulations but it's a regulations but it's a mess so go mess so go mess so go figure go no shortage of work to do figure go no shortage of work to do figure go no shortage of work to do right no shortage tax you have to pay right no shortage tax you have to pay right no shortage tax you have to pay it's like you know reporting to the EPA it's like you know reporting to the EPA it's like you know reporting to the EPA and things like that you just have to do and things like that you just have to do and things like that you just have to do it you know right so there you have and it you know right so there you have and it you know right so there you have and there is an iot tie in to all this I was

there is an iot tie in to all this I was there is an iot tie in to all this I was sure sensors on site tell you what's sure sensors on site tell you what's sure sensors on site tell you what's going on with that methane or the going on with that methane or the going on with that methane or the noxious gases or things like that so noxious gases or things like that so noxious gases or things like that so isn't there also like the amps uh the isn't there also like the amps uh the isn't there also like the amps uh the amps standard for measuring uh util like amps standard for measuring uh util like amps standard for measuring uh util like uh power usage for utilities and stuff uh power usage for utilities and stuff uh power usage for utilities and stuff this AFS standard yeah there's a lot of this AFS standard yeah there's a lot of this AFS standard yeah there's a lot of metering in that already metering yeah a metering in that already metering yeah a metering in that already metering yeah a lot of smart metering going on which is lot of smart metering going on which is lot of smart metering going on which is pretty cool actually consumption so and pretty cool actually consumption so and pretty cool actually consumption so and recently a satellite went up that's just recently a satellite went up that's just recently a satellite went up that's just doing nothing but looking down at doing nothing but looking down at doing nothing but looking down at methane uh across the whole country so methane uh across the whole country so methane uh across the whole country so it's kind of interesting it's kind of interesting it's kind of interesting interart farts huh fart in space yeah interart farts huh fart in space yeah interart farts huh fart in space yeah yeah basically that's right space based yeah basically that's right space based yeah basically that's right space based fart analysis I think that's what they fart analysis I think that's what they fart analysis I think that's what they call it that's gonna be you look at all call it that's gonna be you look at all call it that's gonna be you look at all you look at all the cows and there's got you look at all the cows and there's got you look at all the cows and there's got to be a lot of that right cows are one to be a lot of that right cows are one to be a lot of that right cows are one of the Maj sources of methane so yeah of the Maj sources of methane so yeah of the Maj sources of methane so yeah yeah true we just lost 10,000 more yeah true we just lost 10,000 more yeah true we just lost 10,000 more viewers just now there you go but I'll viewers just now there you go but I'll viewers just now there you go but I'll tell you the other interesting thing tell you the other interesting thing tell you the other interesting thing I've learned is as many regulations as I've learned is as many regulations as I've learned is as many regulations as they're out now there's just as many they're out now there's just as many they're out now there's just as many lawsuits going back at it there's 26 lawsuits going back at it there's 26 lawsuits going back at it there's 26 states with different lawsuits against states with different lawsuits against states with different lawsuits against the government saying we think this is the government saying we think this is the government saying we think this is capricious it's an overreach and we're capricious it's an overreach and we're capricious it's an overreach and we're not going to do it and so there's a lot not going to do it and so there's a lot not going to do it and so there's a lot of there's a lot of politics there's a of there's a lot of politics there's a of there's a lot of politics there's a lot of you know you know how it is when lot of you know you know how it is when lot of you know you know how it is when you're a big business making money and you're a big business making money and you're a big business making money and they tell you to do something that's they tell you to do something that's they tell you to do something that's going to hurt your business you know how going to hurt your business you know how going to hurt your business you know how many businesses we've already seen a lot many businesses we've already seen a lot many businesses we've already seen a lot of businesses of different types leave of businesses of different types leave of businesses of different types leave California already uh California's going

California already uh California's going California already uh California's going to have stronger scope three emissions to have stronger scope three emissions to have stronger scope three emissions requirements than the rest of the requirements than the rest of the requirements than the rest of the country and scope three measurements is country and scope three measurements is country and scope three measurements is crazy it's like other people's emissions crazy it's like other people's emissions crazy it's like other people's emissions like your suppliers emissions and stuff like your suppliers emissions and stuff like your suppliers emissions and stuff that you don't control and so at some that you don't control and so at some that you don't control and so at some point there's a cost benefit analysis of point there's a cost benefit analysis of point there's a cost benefit analysis of is it worth it for me to stay in is it worth it for me to stay in is it worth it for me to stay in California or not right just depends you California or not right just depends you California or not right just depends you know how much business you already have know how much business you already have know how much business you already have there I suppose depends on how much they there I suppose depends on how much they there I suppose depends on how much they convert that into Innovation that can be convert that into Innovation that can be convert that into Innovation that can be commercialized and then you know may um commercialized and then you know may um commercialized and then you know may um you know sold to other uh other you know sold to other uh other you know sold to other uh other countries I mean you know we have to countries I mean you know we have to countries I mean you know we have to keep in mind that uh China is making big keep in mind that uh China is making big keep in mind that uh China is making big advancements in these areas even though advancements in these areas even though advancements in these areas even though we like to you know in the US would like we like to you know in the US would like we like to you know in the US would like to think that China is doing crap and to think that China is doing crap and to think that China is doing crap and you know just being do this about stuff you know just being do this about stuff you know just being do this about stuff they have to out of necessity because they have to out of necessity because they have to out of necessity because otherwise people uh you know everyone's otherwise people uh you know everyone's otherwise people uh you know everyone's going to have asthma right um but you going to have asthma right um but you going to have asthma right um but you know um yeah we've all been to we've all know um yeah we've all been to we've all know um yeah we've all been to we've all been to Beijing and we know what that's been to Beijing and we know what that's been to Beijing and we know what that's like it's for those of us who are old like it's for those of us who are old like it's for those of us who are old enough you uh we know what La was like enough you uh we know what La was like enough you uh we know what La was like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Brown yeah la was really bad and it's Brown yeah la was really bad and it's Brown yeah la was really bad and it's just like weird how we have short just like weird how we have short just like weird how we have short memories but hey guys Yen I'm going to memories but hey guys Yen I'm going to memories but hey guys Yen I'm going to put this Spotlight on Yen really quick put this Spotlight on Yen really quick put this Spotlight on Yen really quick because this dude he's jumped on an because this dude he's jumped on an because this dude he's jumped on an episode didn't say a freaking damn thing episode didn't say a freaking damn thing episode didn't say a freaking damn thing and that's wrong so I know I know and that's wrong so I know I know and that's wrong so I know I know I a little bit of time there and we got

I a little bit of time there and we got I a little bit of time there and we got to give Andrea because she's the only to give Andrea because she's the only to give Andrea because she's the only woman representing and it's just a it's woman representing and it's just a it's woman representing and it's just a it's it's a dude Fest right now it's a dude Fest right now it's a dude Fest right now so what do you want to talk about what's so what do you want to talk about what's so what do you want to talk about what's your reaction and if you're nervous your reaction and if you're nervous your reaction and if you're nervous that's good because something good is that's good because something good is that's good because something good is going to come I'm going to come I'm going to come I'm nervous what's up in iot you know 4.0 nervous what's up in iot you know 4.0 nervous what's up in iot you know 4.0 industry 4.0 industry 4.0 industry 4.0 land and nothing much from uh from last land and nothing much from uh from last land and nothing much from uh from last time I think uh we're going to have a time I think uh we're going to have a time I think uh we're going to have a quarterly update on um on uh uh industry quarterly update on um on uh uh industry quarterly update on um on uh uh industry 4.0 here next week oh cool um so we we 4.0 here next week oh cool um so we we 4.0 here next week oh cool um so we we basically what we do is we take the um basically what we do is we take the um basically what we do is we take the um the the the iot uh iot Insight report and look at iot uh iot Insight report and look at iot uh iot Insight report and look at what uh what CEOs are are talking about what uh what CEOs are are talking about what uh what CEOs are are talking about right now what's important to them and right now what's important to them and right now what's important to them and then we kind of have a kind of then we kind of have a kind of then we kind of have a kind of discussion about that um and uh we have discussion about that um and uh we have discussion about that um and uh we have we have a lot of events coming up so we have a lot of events coming up so we have a lot of events coming up so hunal messes coming up so we we hunal messes coming up so we we hunal messes coming up so we we typically work with the um the iot world typically work with the um the iot world typically work with the um the iot world um so we're we're looking to see what we um so we're we're looking to see what we um so we're we're looking to see what we can do there together um and then can do there together um and then can do there together um and then there's a automate coming there's a automate coming there's a automate coming up uh in Detroit that I think uh we have up uh in Detroit that I think uh we have up uh in Detroit that I think uh we have a couple of people going to Detroit Rock a couple of people going to Detroit Rock a couple of people going to Detroit Rock City Detroit Rock City yeah so yeah we we we uh uh we have we have a so yeah we we we uh uh we have we have a lot of stuff going on right now we have lot of stuff going on right now we have lot of stuff going on right now we have uh right now we're doing two events or uh right now we're doing two events or uh right now we're doing two events or two uh live streams per week um for Full

two uh live streams per week um for Full two uh live streams per week um for Full Steam Up full steam we have a we're Steam Up full steam we have a we're Steam Up full steam we have a we're starting up uh our um we call people starting up uh our um we call people starting up uh our um we call people process and culture again uh so we have process and culture again uh so we have process and culture again uh so we have a couple of new Founders that's going to a couple of new Founders that's going to a couple of new Founders that's going to look into that which is driving the Gen look into that which is driving the Gen look into that which is driving the Gen C's and millennials into manufacturing C's and millennials into manufacturing C's and millennials into manufacturing trying to help figure out what how we trying to help figure out what how we trying to help figure out what how we how do we improve that um and women as how do we improve that um and women as how do we improve that um and women as well but this is this is more industry well but this is this is more industry well but this is this is more industry 5.0 things if I heard that well because 5.0 things if I heard that well because 5.0 things if I heard that well because oh I just threw up at at a 4.5 I think oh I just threw up at at a 4.5 I think oh I just threw up at at a 4.5 I think it's more of a 4.5.4 I think it's around 4.4 yeah what 4.5.4 I think it's around 4.4 yeah what I've heard is that it's been upgraded to I've heard is that it's been upgraded to I've heard is that it's been upgraded to 5.0 where we actually put hum loop it's 5.0 where we actually put hum loop it's 5.0 where we actually put hum loop it's still 3.9 actually 3.9 we 3.9 still 3.9 actually 3.9 we 3.9 still 3.9 actually 3.9 we 3.9 39 but more seriously the reason I was 39 but more seriously the reason I was 39 but more seriously the reason I was mentioning that yeah is because when you mentioning that yeah is because when you mentioning that yeah is because when you say involving more people except the new say involving more people except the new say involving more people except the new generation what I read on industry 5.0 generation what I read on industry 5.0 generation what I read on industry 5.0 is actually bringing people within the is actually bringing people within the is actually bringing people within the context of robots and automation kind of context of robots and automation kind of context of robots and automation kind of things the umbrella of ESG which I think things the umbrella of ESG which I think things the umbrella of ESG which I think is a is a good direction to take you is a is a good direction to take you is a is a good direction to take you know be sustainable environmental know be sustainable environmental know be sustainable environmental friendly and making sure that people in friendly and making sure that people in friendly and making sure that people in machine coexist effectively is know they machine coexist effectively is know they machine coexist effectively is know they did the uh you know industry 4.0 and did the uh you know industry 4.0 and did the uh you know industry 4.0 and then we're talking about everything's then we're talking about everything's then we're talking about everything's going to be automated and then hey holy going to be automated and then hey holy going to be automated and then hey holy siht and then we got to make sure we get siht and then we got to make sure we get siht and then we got to make sure we get people back in So industry 5.0 yeah now people back in So industry 5.0 yeah now people back in So industry 5.0 yeah now we're going to figure out how people can we're going to figure out how people can we're going to figure out how people can interact with the with the technology interact with the with the technology interact with the with the technology and make feel that they're it yeah you

and make feel that they're it yeah you and make feel that they're it yeah you know what I did I did have lunch I did know what I did I did have lunch I did know what I did I did have lunch I did have lunch with Mr industry 4.0 in have lunch with Mr industry 4.0 in have lunch with Mr industry 4.0 in Dallas last week with Walker Reynolds oh Dallas last week with Walker Reynolds oh Dallas last week with Walker Reynolds oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we had lunch yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we had lunch yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we had lunch last week in Dallas so that was hanging last week in Dallas so that was hanging last week in Dallas so that was hanging out with him and talking about what what out with him and talking about what what out with him and talking about what what were we talking about oh unified name were we talking about oh unified name were we talking about oh unified name space shocker yeah we need to have him space shocker yeah we need to have him space shocker yeah we need to have him on the show sometime yeah that would on the show sometime yeah that would on the show sometime yeah that would actually be a fun show that for sure for actually be a fun show that for sure for actually be a fun show that for sure for sure he doesn't mess around he stirs the sure he doesn't mess around he stirs the sure he doesn't mess around he stirs the pot dramatically pot dramatically pot dramatically yeah all right I'm out of here so y do yeah all right I'm out of here so y do yeah all right I'm out of here so y do you do you do any more shows in you do you do any more shows in you do you do any more shows in clubhouse or is it only LinkedIn it's clubhouse or is it only LinkedIn it's clubhouse or is it only LinkedIn it's only LinkedIn only LinkedIn yeah we only LinkedIn only LinkedIn yeah we only LinkedIn only LinkedIn yeah we found that out our our uh viewers and found that out our our uh viewers and found that out our our uh viewers and participants are really on the industry participants are really on the industry participants are really on the industry side much more and on the business side side much more and on the business side side much more and on the business side and Linkedin is much better place for and Linkedin is much better place for and Linkedin is much better place for that you guys later back and run the that you guys later back and run the that you guys later back and run the show a good by way speaking of platform show a good by way speaking of platform show a good by way speaking of platform so I did a one minute recap of Nvidia so I did a one minute recap of Nvidia so I did a one minute recap of Nvidia GTC on Tik Tok and I'm up to about 8,000 GTC on Tik Tok and I'm up to about 8,000 GTC on Tik Tok and I'm up to about 8,000 views as of this morning so oh really um views as of this morning so oh really um views as of this morning so oh really um there seems to be an appetite for um there seems to be an appetite for um there seems to be an appetite for um learning about that stuff in 60 seconds learning about that stuff in 60 seconds learning about that stuff in 60 seconds so speak you know I wanted to I wanted so speak you know I wanted to I wanted so speak you know I wanted to I wanted to bring this up earlier but it was to bring this up earlier but it was to bring this up earlier but it was before Demitri joined so I'm glad he before Demitri joined so I'm glad he before Demitri joined so I'm glad he joined because better better talk to joined because better better talk to joined because better better talk to bring up when he's here um so last week bring up when he's here um so last week bring up when he's here um so last week we we talked about the GTC and then we we talked about the GTC and then we we talked about the GTC and then Innovation at Nvidia right and diit

Innovation at Nvidia right and diit Innovation at Nvidia right and diit brought up a point that's been obsessing brought up a point that's been obsessing brought up a point that's been obsessing me for a week I'm me for a week I'm me for a week I'm sorry no no no it's a good thing right sorry no no no it's a good thing right sorry no no no it's a good thing right give somebody to think about is that you give somebody to think about is that you give somebody to think about is that you know there's not a whole lot of know there's not a whole lot of know there's not a whole lot of innovation there in terms of nvidia's innovation there in terms of nvidia's innovation there in terms of nvidia's work and P you are not with us so I'd work and P you are not with us so I'd work and P you are not with us so I'd love to hear your take on that right oh love to hear your take on that right oh love to hear your take on that right oh in terms of the nvidia's work exactly in terms of the nvidia's work exactly in terms of the nvidia's work exactly yeah you know I thought the uh I mean yeah you know I thought the uh I mean yeah you know I thought the uh I mean you know I think and I want to recap you know I think and I want to recap you know I think and I want to recap everything you guys talked about last everything you guys talked about last everything you guys talked about last week but you know the Blackwell is just week but you know the Blackwell is just week but you know the Blackwell is just it's it's bigger it's it's more you know it's it's bigger it's it's more you know it's it's bigger it's it's more you know it's Envy link it's it's it's you know it's Envy link it's it's it's you know it's Envy link it's it's it's you know more of the same which is great and and more of the same which is great and and more of the same which is great and and you know that sets a new Baseline for you know that sets a new Baseline for you know that sets a new Baseline for for you know data centers and intense for you know data centers and intense for you know data centers and intense data centers I actually thought um and data centers I actually thought um and data centers I actually thought um and I'm actually going to talk about this I'm actually going to talk about this I'm actually going to talk about this tomorrow not to plug the tiny ml Forum tomorrow not to plug the tiny ml Forum tomorrow not to plug the tiny ml Forum that's happening tomorrow that you can that's happening tomorrow that you can that's happening tomorrow that you can register for free at but um I'm going to register for free at but um I'm going to register for free at but um I'm going to talk about the Groot uh foundational talk about the Groot uh foundational talk about the Groot uh foundational model and for observational learning for model and for observational learning for model and for observational learning for robot platforms I thought actually that robot platforms I thought actually that robot platforms I thought actually that was really interesting so getting more was really interesting so getting more was really interesting so getting more generative AI uh model architectures and generative AI uh model architectures and generative AI uh model architectures and techniques into robotics techniques into robotics techniques into robotics platforms um and they have something platforms um and they have something platforms um and they have something called osmo which is kind of of like a a called osmo which is kind of of like a a called osmo which is kind of of like a a workload orchestration for for robotic workload orchestration for for robotic workload orchestration for for robotic AI I thought that was pretty cool I AI I thought that was pretty cool I AI I thought that was pretty cool I thought if I had to pick one thought if I had to pick one thought if I had to pick one thing um you know Blackwell is cool thing um you know Blackwell is cool thing um you know Blackwell is cool right because it's gigantic and huge and right because it's gigantic and huge and right because it's gigantic and huge and amazing and 208 billion trans amazing and 208 billion trans amazing and 208 billion trans transistors but I think the Groot transistors but I think the Groot transistors but I think the Groot foundational model for observational foundational model for observational foundational model for observational learning will turn out to make kind of

learning will turn out to make kind of learning will turn out to make kind of gen you know general purpose robotics a gen you know general purpose robotics a gen you know general purpose robotics a thing in the next five years 5 to 10 thing in the next five years 5 to 10 thing in the next five years 5 to 10 years um so that that was Innovative years um so that that was Innovative years um so that that was Innovative super dutala did a good talk it's on super dutala did a good talk it's on super dutala did a good talk it's on it's it's it's online uh to talk about some of that online uh to talk about some of that online uh to talk about some of that stuff so so I think they've got some stuff so so I think they've got some stuff so so I think they've got some pretty cool tricks in the bag above and pretty cool tricks in the bag above and pretty cool tricks in the bag above and beyond just you know more better uh more beyond just you know more better uh more beyond just you know more better uh more better chips I think they're trying to better chips I think they're trying to better chips I think they're trying to apply it um in new ways and the idea of apply it um in new ways and the idea of apply it um in new ways and the idea of generating you know is not just about generating you know is not just about generating you know is not just about language it's it's like the transformer language it's it's like the transformer language it's it's like the transformer models even like Vision Transformers models even like Vision Transformers models even like Vision Transformers like how do you do you know optic like how do you do you know optic like how do you do you know optic recognition using a vision Transformer recognition using a vision Transformer recognition using a vision Transformer model as opposed to a a CNN model you model as opposed to a a CNN model you model as opposed to a a CNN model you know to to to uh you know recognize know to to to uh you know recognize know to to to uh you know recognize objects and describe as a complex scene objects and describe as a complex scene objects and describe as a complex scene um you know we used to use CNN's in AI um you know we used to use CNN's in AI um you know we used to use CNN's in AI Vision all the time which is great Vision all the time which is great Vision all the time which is great because you could see you know hot dog because you could see you know hot dog because you could see you know hot dog no hot dog uh but you know now using a no hot dog uh but you know now using a no hot dog uh but you know now using a vision Transformer you can describe the vision Transformer you can describe the vision Transformer you can describe the whole thing you know and that's whole thing you know and that's whole thing you know and that's generative AI as well so I think it's generative AI as well so I think it's generative AI as well so I think it's one of the things that kind of got me one of the things that kind of got me one of the things that kind of got me excited was how do you take that concept excited was how do you take that concept excited was how do you take that concept and apply it to some of these other you and apply it to some of these other you and apply it to some of these other you know areas in the in the edge and iot know areas in the in the edge and iot know areas in the in the edge and iot world like whether it's robotics or world like whether it's robotics or world like whether it's robotics or Vision to to make it work so I thought I Vision to to make it work so I thought I Vision to to make it work so I thought I thought that was worth a shout out so thought that was worth a shout out so thought that was worth a shout out so pet I didn't I didn't pay close pet I didn't I didn't pay close pet I didn't I didn't pay close attention as as as the G announcement attention as as as the G announcement attention as as as the G announcement but are you saying that this this but are you saying that this this but are you saying that this this platform architecture or whatever it is platform architecture or whatever it is platform architecture or whatever it is goes beyond just inference it also goes goes beyond just inference it also goes goes beyond just inference it also goes into local learning and improving yeah into local learning and improving yeah into local learning and improving yeah so it's like a it's like a learning so it's like a it's like a learning so it's like a it's like a learning model based on observation and imitation

model based on observation and imitation model based on observation and imitation with reinforcement learning and so as with reinforcement learning and so as with reinforcement learning and so as opposed to I guess you know more opposed to I guess you know more opposed to I guess you know more traditional kind of robot training which traditional kind of robot training which traditional kind of robot training which is very very you know rigid um so I is very very you know rigid um so I is very very you know rigid um so I thought that was a pretty cool way of thought that was a pretty cool way of thought that was a pretty cool way of like taking the concept of generative Ai like taking the concept of generative Ai like taking the concept of generative Ai and applying it to some of these more and applying it to some of these more and applying it to some of these more rigid kind of constructs that we've had rigid kind of constructs that we've had rigid kind of constructs that we've had out there with like robots so it's using out there with like robots so it's using out there with like robots so it's using gen to make the robot learn yes kind of gen to make the robot learn yes kind of gen to make the robot learn yes kind of what it is right case but the the model what it is right case but the the model what it is right case but the the model that is used to make the robot learn is that is used to make the robot learn is that is used to make the robot learn is still a gen model that is gener it is still a gen model that is gener it is still a gen model that is gener it is it's a large language model right yeah it's a large language model right yeah it's a large language model right yeah but they're using it for kind of but they're using it for kind of but they're using it for kind of observational they call it um so that observational they call it um so that observational they call it um so that you could do this and then it will do you could do this and then it will do you could do this and then it will do this I'm sure you guys did you guys see this I'm sure you guys did you guys see this I'm sure you guys did you guys see the open AI uh robot video uh API robot the open AI uh robot video uh API robot the open AI uh robot video uh API robot I think they call it I have to check I think they call it I have to check I think they call it I have to check that out yeah it was it was pretty that out yeah it was it was pretty that out yeah it was it was pretty interesting uh so it was a person stand interesting uh so it was a person stand interesting uh so it was a person stand a robot in standing in front of a a robot in standing in front of a a robot in standing in front of a kitchen table uh with some stuff on it kitchen table uh with some stuff on it kitchen table uh with some stuff on it and he asked asked a the a the opening and he asked asked a the a the opening and he asked asked a the a the opening eye robot what do you see and they eye robot what do you see and they eye robot what do you see and they describes what's in front of them describes what's in front of them describes what's in front of them including the him standing there with including the him standing there with including the him standing there with his hand on the table and then he he he his hand on the table and then he he he his hand on the table and then he he he basally gives it gives it some tasks and basally gives it gives it some tasks and basally gives it gives it some tasks and describes why so for ex there was an describes why so for ex there was an describes why so for ex there was an apple there and says hey I'm hungry give apple there and says hey I'm hungry give apple there and says hey I'm hungry give me something to eat and the robot takes me something to eat and the robot takes me something to eat and the robot takes the only thing that's edible on the the only thing that's edible on the the only thing that's edible on the table and give him the Apple yeah so and table and give him the Apple yeah so and table and give him the Apple yeah so and then uh he he has him clean up thr some then uh he he has him clean up thr some then uh he he has him clean up thr some dishes that need to go in the dish rack dishes that need to go in the dish rack dishes that need to go in the dish rack and ask him what what you to do with

and ask him what what you to do with and ask him what what you to do with those I should put them in a dis rack those I should put them in a dis rack those I should put them in a dis rack put him in a dish rack wow that's pretty put him in a dish rack wow that's pretty put him in a dish rack wow that's pretty cool and then he kills him which pretty cool and then he kills him which pretty cool and then he kills him which pretty cool they they cut that off they cut cool they they cut that off they cut cool they they cut that off they cut that cut cut that part but no no that that cut cut that part but no no that that cut cut that part but no no that but see this is the this is the interest but see this is the this is the interest but see this is the this is the interest other interesting thing that came out of other interesting thing that came out of other interesting thing that came out of GTC is now um you know there's um what GTC is now um you know there's um what GTC is now um you know there's um what do you call it um reinforced learning do you call it um reinforced learning do you call it um reinforced learning human uh re um human feedback right um human uh re um human feedback right um human uh re um human feedback right um Jensen was toward the end of his keynote Jensen was toward the end of his keynote Jensen was toward the end of his keynote was talking about or mentioned this was talking about or mentioned this was talking about or mentioned this thing called um you know reinforcement thing called um you know reinforcement thing called um you know reinforcement learning physical feedback meaning that learning physical feedback meaning that learning physical feedback meaning that the you know he's suggesting that robots the you know he's suggesting that robots the you know he's suggesting that robots will learn by interacting with the uh will learn by interacting with the uh will learn by interacting with the uh the physical world but yeah the the the the physical world but yeah the the the the physical world but yeah the the the the accidentally killing someone part is the accidentally killing someone part is the accidentally killing someone part is probably part of probably part of probably part of that that you know physical feedback that that you know physical feedback that that you know physical feedback they it it doesn't know rules situations they it it doesn't know rules situations they it it doesn't know rules situations yeah you know I mean but okay so let's yeah you know I mean but okay so let's yeah you know I mean but okay so let's let's let's do the sniff test here um let's let's do the sniff test here um let's let's do the sniff test here um here's the problem that I see here's the problem that I see here's the problem that I see consistently across the board with any consistently across the board with any consistently across the board with any of this AI stuff um these are very of this AI stuff um these are very of this AI stuff um these are very selective um things that people are selective um things that people are selective um things that people are showing you um the demos are usually showing you um the demos are usually showing you um the demos are usually highly hit and miss in fact you know highly hit and miss in fact you know highly hit and miss in fact you know Jensen's on stage one of the robots Jensen's on stage one of the robots Jensen's on stage one of the robots doesn't follow the doesn't follow the doesn't follow the instructions likelihood of that instructions likelihood of that instructions likelihood of that happening given how I think the other happening given how I think the other happening given how I think the other one kind of just shut down too you know one kind of just shut down too you know one kind of just shut down too you know yeah yeah and um and there's a battery

yeah yeah and um and there's a battery yeah yeah and um and there's a battery yeah I mean before you like get Miss yeah I mean before you like get Miss yeah I mean before you like get Miss ified by the magic which in these cases ified by the magic which in these cases ified by the magic which in these cases magic is a bad word check the tires I magic is a bad word check the tires I magic is a bad word check the tires I mean if you're out there and you are a mean if you're out there and you are a mean if you're out there and you are a vendor you're a end user and you see vendor you're a end user and you see vendor you're a end user and you see this stuff and you know if you're really this stuff and you know if you're really this stuff and you know if you're really looking at putting the stuff in the looking at putting the stuff in the looking at putting the stuff in the field or even contemplating that yeah no field or even contemplating that yeah no field or even contemplating that yeah no crazy on this because this smells just crazy on this because this smells just crazy on this because this smells just like autonomous vehicle hype from two like autonomous vehicle hype from two like autonomous vehicle hype from two what is it 19 no what is it 19 no what is it 19 no 2016 when we had people and governments 2016 when we had people and governments 2016 when we had people and governments actually planning on uh autonomous actually planning on uh autonomous actually planning on uh autonomous vehicles and fleets of autonomous cabs vehicles and fleets of autonomous cabs vehicles and fleets of autonomous cabs going Main in 2021 and right we're yeah going Main in 2021 and right we're yeah going Main in 2021 and right we're yeah people need to put their own filter and people need to put their own filter and people need to put their own filter and then you know time scale so I was saying then you know time scale so I was saying then you know time scale so I was saying like five to 10 years you know for this like five to 10 years you know for this like five to 10 years you know for this kind of robot platforms to really be kind of robot platforms to really be kind of robot platforms to really be usable who knows because that's what usable who knows because that's what usable who knows because that's what they they were putting time scales to uh they they were putting time scales to uh they they were putting time scales to uh autonomous vehicles now they've autonomous vehicles now they've autonomous vehicles now they've basically kicked it off to never you basically kicked it off to never you basically kicked it off to never you know you know know you know know you know it's yeah and I think you're definitely it's yeah and I think you're definitely it's yeah and I think you're definitely right I think it's something probably right I think it's something probably right I think it's something probably important in my sounds obvious to some important in my sounds obvious to some important in my sounds obvious to some but I think for our listener it's but I think for our listener it's but I think for our listener it's probably very important because we're probably very important because we're probably very important because we're now in an era where you know I said that now in an era where you know I said that now in an era where you know I said that several time the interaction with the several time the interaction with the several time the interaction with the system is based on senses what you see system is based on senses what you see system is based on senses what you see what you hear you know before if if you what you hear you know before if if you what you hear you know before if if you had to look at you know what was the had to look at you know what was the had to look at you know what was the output of a model you pretty much have

output of a model you pretty much have output of a model you pretty much have to be a statistician to understand it so to be a statistician to understand it so to be a statistician to understand it so the advice is you get under the hood you the advice is you get under the hood you the advice is you get under the hood you have to understand how the thing work at have to understand how the thing work at have to understand how the thing work at least at a certain level of details least at a certain level of details least at a certain level of details because otherwise you fooled by the because otherwise you fooled by the because otherwise you fooled by the thing talking to you or the image you thing talking to you or the image you thing talking to you or the image you see say oh yeah it's magic no it's not see say oh yeah it's magic no it's not see say oh yeah it's magic no it's not freaking magic open the hood and that's freaking magic open the hood and that's freaking magic open the hood and that's what I was eluded to when I was asking what I was eluded to when I was asking what I was eluded to when I was asking about the robot earlier Pete because to about the robot earlier Pete because to about the robot earlier Pete because to me the thing is right now we still me the thing is right now we still me the thing is right now we still operate on a Model where you train a operate on a Model where you train a operate on a Model where you train a model it might take months or hours or model it might take months or hours or model it might take months or hours or weeks and then we apply the model we weeks and then we apply the model we weeks and then we apply the model we have no technology that close that have no technology that close that have no technology that close that looping like like a kid does by watching looping like like a kid does by watching looping like like a kid does by watching out how you to to put a pie you to put a out how you to to put a pie you to put a out how you to to put a pie you to put a to put the the dough on a pie you show to put the the dough on a pie you show to put the the dough on a pie you show that to a kid two seconds later I know I that to a kid two seconds later I know I that to a kid two seconds later I know I can do that and I don't see any ey that can do that and I don't see any ey that can do that and I don't see any ey that can do that today so again people look can do that today so again people look can do that today so again people look under the hood try to understand how the under the hood try to understand how the under the hood try to understand how the things work what other takes because things work what other takes because things work what other takes because otherwise you're going to get fooled by otherwise you're going to get fooled by otherwise you're going to get fooled by the language you're going to get fooled the language you're going to get fooled the language you're going to get fooled by the visual fooled by the video fooled by the visual fooled by the video fooled by the visual fooled by the video fooled by the sound fooled by your grandma by the sound fooled by your grandma by the sound fooled by your grandma who's already dead calling you and tell who's already dead calling you and tell who's already dead calling you and tell you to transfer some money so yeah so go you to transfer some money so yeah so go you to transfer some money so yeah so go under the hood is much much more under the hood is much much more under the hood is much much more important nowadays yeah and I don't I I important nowadays yeah and I don't I I important nowadays yeah and I don't I I would I would question anyone that would I would question anyone that would I would question anyone that sister and and tells you how these guys sister and and tells you how these guys sister and and tells you how these guys are you know just being grumpy it's like are you know just being grumpy it's like are you know just being grumpy it's like no this is called due diligence it's no this is called due diligence it's no this is called due diligence it's being smart about things um and then um being smart about things um and then um being smart about things um and then um the other thing is you know like chat the other thing is you know like chat the other thing is you know like chat Bots 90% of a lot of the stuff that Bots 90% of a lot of the stuff that Bots 90% of a lot of the stuff that you're seeing is just like freaking you're seeing is just like freaking you're seeing is just like freaking front ending of a chatbot and you know front ending of a chatbot and you know front ending of a chatbot and you know people may not recall the hype around

people may not recall the hype around people may not recall the hype around chat Bots just a few years ago and chat Bots just a few years ago and chat Bots just a few years ago and here's the thing this is why I like here's the thing this is why I like here's the thing this is why I like listening back on our episodes and I listening back on our episodes and I listening back on our episodes and I encourage our listeners to do the same encourage our listeners to do the same encourage our listeners to do the same now that we have like a freaking Library now that we have like a freaking Library now that we have like a freaking Library over 200 episodes there's a temporal over 200 episodes there's a temporal over 200 episodes there's a temporal factor in in what we've done here and factor in in what we've done here and factor in in what we've done here and iot coffee talking just go back and iot coffee talking just go back and iot coffee talking just go back and listen to some of the old stuff you know listen to some of the old stuff you know listen to some of the old stuff you know things like what you mentioned uh just things like what you mentioned uh just things like what you mentioned uh just now um Pete about using Transformers for now um Pete about using Transformers for now um Pete about using Transformers for other functions other than llm other functions other than llm other functions other than llm something we already said could something we already said could something we already said could potentially be a good Vector of potentially be a good Vector of potentially be a good Vector of innovation for for this geni stuff but innovation for for this geni stuff but innovation for for this geni stuff but it's used as a in a sensor function it's used as a in a sensor function it's used as a in a sensor function right that's really super cool but you right that's really super cool but you right that's really super cool but you know what I'm saying it but we have all know what I'm saying it but we have all know what I'm saying it but we have all these other perspectives that we've these other perspectives that we've these other perspectives that we've brought to the table for our audience brought to the table for our audience brought to the table for our audience for four years maybe we need to train a for four years maybe we need to train a for four years maybe we need to train a chat bot on our old episode that was chat bot on our old episode that was chat bot on our old episode that was always thinking but you know to to build always thinking but you know to to build always thinking but you know to to build this point earlier to me this is also this point earlier to me this is also this point earlier to me this is also part of transp parency at some point part of transp parency at some point part of transp parency at some point we're going to need to have kind of a we're going to need to have kind of a we're going to need to have kind of a classification of what those things are classification of what those things are classification of what those things are is it just a stupid chat bot that is is it just a stupid chat bot that is is it just a stupid chat bot that is based on rule or is it using a a chat based on rule or is it using a a chat based on rule or is it using a a chat GPT 3.x or no it's a g so this kind of GPT 3.x or no it's a g so this kind of GPT 3.x or no it's a g so this kind of this is part of transparency as well how this is part of transparency as well how this is part of transparency as well how does the B work in kind of like the does the B work in kind of like the does the B work in kind of like the restaurant grading you know grade A restaurant grading you know grade A restaurant grading you know grade A Grade B don't eat here you know ex grade Grade B don't eat here you know ex grade Grade B don't eat here you know ex grade C well right now they all have don't eat C well right now they all have don't eat C well right now they all have don't eat here that's right I'm like no I mean here that's right I'm like no I mean here that's right I'm like no I mean it's it's like the it's like it's the it's it's like the it's like it's the it's it's like the it's like it's the analogy of the new nutrition label there

analogy of the new nutrition label there analogy of the new nutrition label there should be a nutrition label something should be a nutrition label something should be a nutrition label something like that yeah there's yeah I think like that yeah there's yeah I think like that yeah there's yeah I think that's that's uh yeah transparency is an that's that's uh yeah transparency is an that's that's uh yeah transparency is an auditability exactly you know or key and auditability exactly you know or key and auditability exactly you know or key and we don't there's nothing in there right we don't there's nothing in there right we don't there's nothing in there right now so the reason I'm you run into now so the reason I'm you run into now so the reason I'm you run into privacy issues right with transparency privacy issues right with transparency privacy issues right with transparency so I I don't know I don't I don't know so I I don't know I don't I don't know so I I don't know I don't I don't know that you run into privacy issues because that you run into privacy issues because that you run into privacy issues because the transparency is just one component the transparency is just one component the transparency is just one component right so you've got you've got uh Trust right so you've got you've got uh Trust right so you've got you've got uh Trust transparency Providence and transparency Providence and transparency Providence and governance that's a foundational governance that's a foundational governance that's a foundational requirement across the board and these requirement across the board and these requirement across the board and these things are not instituted in any of the things are not instituted in any of the things are not instituted in any of the models that are put out today no and models that are put out today no and models that are put out today no and then because of because of fear of then because of because of fear of then because of because of fear of privacy um issues especially here in us privacy um issues especially here in us privacy um issues especially here in us right so I think transparency in this right so I think transparency in this right so I think transparency in this cont I don't disagree with you a bit but cont I don't disagree with you a bit but cont I don't disagree with you a bit but transparency in this context needs to be transparency in this context needs to be transparency in this context needs to be redefined yeah well it's a transparency redefined yeah well it's a transparency redefined yeah well it's a transparency is AAL to governance and Provence is AAL to governance and Provence is AAL to governance and Provence governance and provenance deal with governance and provenance deal with governance and provenance deal with privacy but transparency is the how it privacy but transparency is the how it privacy but transparency is the how it works it's not it is yes but there's a works it's not it is yes but there's a works it's not it is yes but there's a fine line there's a fine line that's why fine line there's a fine line that's why fine line there's a fine line that's why I say it would have to be I say it would have to be I say it would have to be redefined hey you know what uh we got to redefined hey you know what uh we got to redefined hey you know what uh we got to get um Debbie Reynolds on data get um Debbie Reynolds on data get um Debbie Reynolds on data Diva this that's what I was saying yeah Diva this that's what I was saying yeah Diva this that's what I was saying yeah no no no we got to get her on and then no no no we got to get her on and then no no no we got to get her on and then we got we got to get her on so that we we got we got to get her on so that we we got we got to get her on so that we can make this less of a dude can make this less of a dude can make this less of a dude Fest well I mean

Fest well I mean Fest well I mean her drop her knowledge man there are a her drop her knowledge man there are a her drop her knowledge man there are a couple there are a couple ladies that couple there are a couple ladies that couple there are a couple ladies that I'd like to invite as well um from M and I'd like to invite as well um from M and I'd like to invite as well um from M and I mean so let's let's let's bring and I mean so let's let's let's bring and I mean so let's let's let's bring and let's make it a real conversation around let's make it a real conversation around let's make it a real conversation around what what's being done yeah yeah and what what's being done yeah yeah and what what's being done yeah yeah and make sure that they come with their make sure that they come with their make sure that they come with their their music uh requests for Bad karaoke know although you know Foo karaoke know although you know Foo Fighters nothing wrong with Foo Fighters Fighters nothing wrong with Foo Fighters Fighters nothing wrong with Foo Fighters it's good nothing wrong at all it's good nothing wrong at all it's good nothing wrong at all prob wrong when Rob's not there he's not prob wrong when Rob's not there he's not prob wrong when Rob's not there he's not in early enough to sing for in early enough to sing for in early enough to sing for us well you know pluses and minuses he's us well you know pluses and minuses he's us well you know pluses and minuses he's really good know he is we have you know really good know he is we have you know really good know he is we have you know a couple of playing Crash moments but a couple of playing Crash moments but a couple of playing Crash moments but there's a few moments where he actually there's a few moments where he actually there's a few moments where he actually delivered and you know he he's totally delivered and you know he he's totally delivered and you know he he's totally down with that grunt stuff but okay down with that grunt stuff but okay down with that grunt stuff but okay Steve you're too quiet I'm like the Steve you're too quiet I'm like the Steve you're too quiet I'm like the Florida what's happening police make Florida what's happening police make Florida what's happening police make sure everyone March Madness that's sure everyone March Madness that's sure everyone March Madness that's what's happening that's what's on what's happening that's what's on what's happening that's what's on Steve's mind no no I'm shooting I'm Steve's mind no no I'm shooting I'm Steve's mind no no I'm shooting I'm making 200 baskets a day preparing for making 200 baskets a day preparing for making 200 baskets a day preparing for the panaman games in two weeks really the panaman games in two weeks really the panaman games in two weeks really for for for you but I was at Enterprise connect in you but I was at Enterprise connect in you but I was at Enterprise connect in Orlando for the last couple of days how Orlando for the last couple of days how Orlando for the last couple of days how was was was that why is um not what it used to be that why is um not what it used to be that why is um not what it used to be now that you know it's now that you know it's now that you know it's intriguing I mean it's um it's a vendor

intriguing I mean it's um it's a vendor intriguing I mean it's um it's a vendor best it's not a lot of end users and not best it's not a lot of end users and not best it's not a lot of end users and not a lot of sales to I see vendors talking a lot of sales to I see vendors talking a lot of sales to I see vendors talking to vendors yeah you know I I I'm on I'm to vendors yeah you know I I I'm on I'm to vendors yeah you know I I I'm on I'm doing video conferencing in a room so doing video conferencing in a room so doing video conferencing in a room so I'm going to go talk to the TV guys I'm going to go talk to the TV guys I'm going to go talk to the TV guys you're going to talk to the content guys you're going to talk to the content guys you're going to talk to the content guys and zoom is there in bondage and and zoom is there in bondage and and zoom is there in bondage and Microsoft and Verizon business and all Microsoft and Verizon business and all Microsoft and Verizon business and all them and so it was you know they had I them and so it was you know they had I them and so it was you know they had I went to two AI uh sessions interesting went to two AI uh sessions interesting went to two AI uh sessions interesting how to integrate video conferencing and how to integrate video conferencing and how to integrate video conferencing and and CV into Ai and utilizing that it was and CV into Ai and utilizing that it was and CV into Ai and utilizing that it was like almost like a far-fetched idea and like almost like a far-fetched idea and like almost like a far-fetched idea and they kind of came back at the end to try they kind of came back at the end to try they kind of came back at the end to try to explain a little bit easier and to explain a little bit easier and to explain a little bit easier and better but uh it it was okay's a better but uh it it was okay's a better but uh it it was okay's a beautiful place in Orlando but I wonder beautiful place in Orlando but I wonder beautiful place in Orlando but I wonder if there'll be a pendulum shift back to if there'll be a pendulum shift back to if there'll be a pendulum shift back to almost too many inperson events uh almost too many inperson events uh almost too many inperson events uh around the industry with between Ai and around the industry with between Ai and around the industry with between Ai and everything else I know I I'm starting to everything else I know I I'm starting to everything else I know I I'm starting to get flooded with you know speaking get flooded with you know speaking get flooded with you know speaking requests and other things every every requests and other things every every requests and other things every every week I mean I I'm just supposed to be week I mean I I'm just supposed to be week I mean I I'm just supposed to be double booked tomorrow I said I couldn't double booked tomorrow I said I couldn't double booked tomorrow I said I couldn't do it so it's like you know hopefully if do it so it's like you know hopefully if do it so it's like you know hopefully if you know it doesn't turn into a bunch of you know it doesn't turn into a bunch of you know it doesn't turn into a bunch of events where you know like you know events where you know like you know events where you know like you know vendors are talking to vendors you got vendors are talking to vendors you got vendors are talking to vendors you got to be you got to have some customers to be you got to have some customers to be you got to have some customers yeah well I mean I think it's I mean yeah well I mean I think it's I mean yeah well I mean I think it's I mean Yan's doing the one in uh in Greenville Yan's doing the one in uh in Greenville Yan's doing the one in uh in Greenville uh you know it's very specific and I it uh you know it's very specific and I it uh you know it's very specific and I it will be you know it will be attended by will be you know it will be attended by will be you know it will be attended by really high quality attendees yeah more really high quality attendees yeah more really high quality attendees yeah more narrowly focused I think that's the way narrowly focused I think that's the way narrowly focused I think that's the way to go yeah think you know norberg's to go yeah think you know norberg's to go yeah think you know norberg's going to be huge right I mean yeah

going to be huge right I mean yeah going to be huge right I mean yeah massive going to be the biggest one but massive going to be the biggest one but massive going to be the biggest one but then when I see move to Austin in the then when I see move to Austin in the then when I see move to Austin in the fall I mean how many are we going to fall I mean how many are we going to fall I mean how many are we going to have a couple thousand people maybe if have a couple thousand people maybe if have a couple thousand people maybe if we're lucky yeah yeah what's what's the we're lucky yeah yeah what's what's the we're lucky yeah yeah what's what's the show in show in show in Austin embedded world's going to Austin Austin embedded world's going to Austin Austin embedded world's going to Austin oh [ __ ] all right they're trying their oh [ __ ] all right they're trying their oh [ __ ] all right they're trying their first us-based program well it kind of first us-based program well it kind of first us-based program well it kind of makes sense you know mwc you know makes sense you know mwc you know makes sense you know mwc you know Vegas in the fall I I can see the US Vegas in the fall I I can see the US Vegas in the fall I I can see the US Asia kind of satellite shows I mean Asia kind of satellite shows I mean Asia kind of satellite shows I mean although GTC last week was like so although GTC last week was like so although GTC last week was like so packed I mean like we were talking at packed I mean like we were talking at packed I mean like we were talking at Leonard it was almost like they needed Leonard it was almost like they needed Leonard it was almost like they needed more space yeah to kind of handle more space yeah to kind of handle more space yeah to kind of handle everybody it was crazy I tried to go to everybody it was crazy I tried to go to everybody it was crazy I tried to go to the Expo floor on Thursday morning I the Expo floor on Thursday morning I the Expo floor on Thursday morning I couldn't park there was no parking couldn't park there was no parking couldn't park there was no parking nowhere so I I turned around for 20 nowhere so I I turned around for 20 nowhere so I I turned around for 20 minutes and I went I went to the beach I went to something [ __ ] did not beach I went to something [ __ ] did not expect that expect that expect that Demetri we can tell by the glowing tan Demetri we can tell by the glowing tan Demetri we can tell by the glowing tan you got there but yeah why my camera is you got there but yeah why my camera is you got there but yeah why my camera is not set word no but I to tolerance for not set word no but I to tolerance for not set word no but I to tolerance for those kind of things I mean turn around those kind of things I mean turn around those kind of things I mean turn around 20 minutes Conta spot 20 minutes Conta spot 20 minutes Conta spot in yeah I mean I hate Las Vegas um no in yeah I mean I hate Las Vegas um no in yeah I mean I hate Las Vegas um no offense to people who live in Las Vegas offense to people who live in Las Vegas offense to people who live in Las Vegas but I think works probably most of them but I think works probably most of them but I think works probably most of them hate Las it works yeah it works but man hate Las it works yeah it works but man hate Las it works yeah it works but man but I think Santa Clara Convention but I think Santa Clara Convention but I think Santa Clara Convention Center works better for like you know Center works better for like you know Center works better for like you know for that sensors converge move from for that sensors converge move from for that sensors converge move from Santa s downtown to Santa Clara

Santa s downtown to Santa Clara Santa s downtown to Santa Clara so yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm looking so yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm looking so yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm looking forward to that actually have a board forward to that actually have a board forward to that actually have a board meeting um they're busting yeah they're meeting um they're busting yeah they're meeting um they're busting yeah they're busting my going out yeah so we'll see busting my going out yeah so we'll see busting my going out yeah so we'll see but yeah but yeah but yeah some when is it 12th June yeah I have to check that it 12th June yeah I have to check that it's Bill you got smart City show coming it's Bill you got smart City show coming it's Bill you got smart City show coming up right in New up right in New up right in New York yeah there's that um but I've been York yeah there's that um but I've been York yeah there's that um but I've been spending a lot of a lot of my time going spending a lot of a lot of my time going spending a lot of a lot of my time going to Fleet shows as of as of late um I to Fleet shows as of as of late um I to Fleet shows as of as of late um I mean that one's got me that that whole mean that one's got me that that whole mean that one's got me that that whole movement right there has got me like movement right there has got me like movement right there has got me like totally in I mean engulfed in in terms totally in I mean engulfed in in terms totally in I mean engulfed in in terms of what we're going to do because of the of what we're going to do because of the of what we're going to do because of the net impact it can have across the board net impact it can have across the board net impact it can have across the board and I mean there's the that so I've been and I mean there's the that so I've been and I mean there's the that so I've been spending a lot of times there so I'm I'm spending a lot of times there so I'm I'm spending a lot of times there so I'm I'm heading to Louisville and Atlanta and I heading to Louisville and Atlanta and I heading to Louisville and Atlanta and I mean it's weird that the shows are mean it's weird that the shows are mean it's weird that the shows are happening there and it's all you know it happening there and it's all you know it happening there and it's all you know it started out as all Heavy Equipment type started out as all Heavy Equipment type started out as all Heavy Equipment type stuff and now they're bringing the tech stuff and now they're bringing the tech stuff and now they're bringing the tech piece of it in because they're like we piece of it in because they're like we piece of it in because they're like we have to do this so now from a fleet have to do this so now from a fleet have to do this so now from a fleet perspective there's telematics there's perspective there's telematics there's perspective there's telematics there's route planning there's you know energy route planning there's you know energy route planning there's you know energy consumption there's distribution I mean consumption there's distribution I mean consumption there's distribution I mean there's so much of it and you're there's so much of it and you're there's so much of it and you're starting to see these things Verge and starting to see these things Verge and starting to see these things Verge and I'm like I'm like wow there's a world of I'm like I'm like wow there's a world of I'm like I'm like wow there's a world of challenge associated with doing any of challenge associated with doing any of challenge associated with doing any of this stuff just on the fleet side yet

this stuff just on the fleet side yet this stuff just on the fleet side yet you look at the consumer side and and you look at the consumer side and and you look at the consumer side and and it's even it's even it's even larger yeah larger yeah larger yeah wow yeah a lot of that stuff lot a lot wow yeah a lot of that stuff lot a lot wow yeah a lot of that stuff lot a lot of that stuff happening in Edge of that stuff happening in Edge of that stuff happening in Edge Computing side of things too I mean um Computing side of things too I mean um Computing side of things too I mean um we saw a lot of that mwc right but it's we saw a lot of that mwc right but it's we saw a lot of that mwc right but it's it's starting to come together it's you it's starting to come together it's you it's starting to come together it's you know there's a lot of fragmentation know there's a lot of fragmentation know there's a lot of fragmentation that's the the big problem MH just like that's the the big problem MH just like that's the the big problem MH just like iot you know what I'm saying it's just iot you know what I'm saying it's just iot you know what I'm saying it's just interesting to see how these it's almost interesting to see how these it's almost interesting to see how these it's almost like similar Dynamics play out in like similar Dynamics play out in like similar Dynamics play out in different domains um it's it's it's different domains um it's it's it's different domains um it's it's it's crazy you know but they all but it's I crazy you know but they all but it's I crazy you know but they all but it's I mean we've been talking about Fleet man mean we've been talking about Fleet man mean we've been talking about Fleet man what has change bill because we've been what has change bill because we've been what has change bill because we've been talking about Fleet Management for talking about Fleet Management for talking about Fleet Management for decades now I mean I remember a friend decades now I mean I remember a friend decades now I mean I remember a friend of my in the late 80s leaving the of my in the late 80s leaving the of my in the late 80s leaving the company I was working in with him into company I was working in with him into company I was working in with him into to go do this kind of you know to go do this kind of you know to go do this kind of you know optimization of routes with digitizing optimization of routes with digitizing optimization of routes with digitizing cards by hand and then when I was at cards by hand and then when I was at cards by hand and then when I was at cbas with the mobile technology we had cbas with the mobile technology we had cbas with the mobile technology we had all this Fleet Management where we're all this Fleet Management where we're all this Fleet Management where we're going to put you know little mini going to put you know little mini going to put you know little mini Windows C computer so it didn't happen Windows C computer so it didn't happen Windows C computer so it didn't happen so what is going to make it happen now so what is going to make it happen now so what is going to make it happen now that is different uh what's I mean you that is different uh what's I mean you that is different uh what's I mean you got to look at what's driving it right got to look at what's driving it right got to look at what's driving it right the the the decarbonization that's that's the big decarbonization that's that's the big decarbonization that's that's the big Drive is decarbonization and the move to Drive is decarbonization and the move to Drive is decarbonization and the move to EVS so they're saying right once you do EVS so they're saying right once you do EVS so they're saying right once you do that now the the Big Challenge becomes that now the the Big Challenge becomes that now the the Big Challenge becomes I've I've run my routes and each truck

I've I've run my routes and each truck I've I've run my routes and each truck has its own separate route so do you has its own separate route so do you has its own separate route so do you need to charge to 100% I think that's a need to charge to 100% I think that's a need to charge to 100% I think that's a fallacy right you don't need to charge fallacy right you don't need to charge fallacy right you don't need to charge that you need to charge to the route so that you need to charge to the route so that you need to charge to the route so you have a group of vehicles pull in and you have a group of vehicles pull in and you have a group of vehicles pull in and they're going to charge so how many they're going to charge so how many they're going to charge so how many Depot do you have how many charging Depot do you have how many charging Depot do you have how many charging stations do you have what's your transer stations do you have what's your transer stations do you have what's your transer former to to Depot ratio look like former to to Depot ratio look like former to to Depot ratio look like that's what's driving all of the uh that's what's driving all of the uh that's what's driving all of the uh conversation and then if you're on a conversation and then if you're on a conversation and then if you're on a route and you need to charge then how route and you need to charge then how route and you need to charge then how does that driver know where the next does that driver know where the next does that driver know where the next charging station is so there's there's charging station is so there's there's charging station is so there's there's this convergence of of you know shifting this convergence of of you know shifting this convergence of of you know shifting from Ice vehicles to EVS then you know from Ice vehicles to EVS then you know from Ice vehicles to EVS then you know how do you how do you maintain you know how do you how do you maintain you know how do you how do you maintain you know all of that and what's happening is now all of that and what's happening is now all of that and what's happening is now they want to manage that char charging they want to manage that char charging they want to manage that char charging so they don't want you just to roll up so they don't want you just to roll up so they don't want you just to roll up plug in and and drive that demand plug in and and drive that demand plug in and and drive that demand through the roof where you're having through the roof where you're having through the roof where you're having rolling brown outs in neighboring cities rolling brown outs in neighboring cities rolling brown outs in neighboring cities they want to actually say go ahead plug they want to actually say go ahead plug they want to actually say go ahead plug in we recognize that you're there inall in we recognize that you're there inall in we recognize that you're there inall number 20 we're going to start charging number 20 we're going to start charging number 20 we're going to start charging you because you only need X number of of you because you only need X number of of you because you only need X number of of kilowatt hours you know on we're going kilowatt hours you know on we're going kilowatt hours you know on we're going to manage you and we're going to charge to manage you and we're going to charge to manage you and we're going to charge you at the at the lowest rate we're you at the at the lowest rate we're you at the at the lowest rate we're going to charge you at the you know and going to charge you at the you know and going to charge you at the you know and so they're wanting to do that for fleets so they're wanting to do that for fleets so they're wanting to do that for fleets but at the same time now they're but at the same time now they're but at the same time now they're extending that to the consumers so I I extending that to the consumers so I I extending that to the consumers so I I see it's a it's a I think it's a see it's a it's a I think it's a see it's a it's a I think it's a movement you're right it's been movement you're right it's been movement you're right it's been happening I mean Fleet Management has happening I mean Fleet Management has happening I mean Fleet Management has been around forever but not in this been around forever but not in this been around forever but not in this capacity right sounds like a problem for

capacity right sounds like a problem for capacity right sounds like a problem for Quantum Computing is what it sounds well Quantum Computing is what it sounds well Quantum Computing is what it sounds well maybe there's an interesting idea here maybe there's an interesting idea here maybe there's an interesting idea here because you know if you do the parallel because you know if you do the parallel because you know if you do the parallel with what Tesla has done I think myself with what Tesla has done I think myself with what Tesla has done I think myself what I think Tesla is really done is what I think Tesla is really done is what I think Tesla is really done is have they actually made made the have they actually made made the have they actually made made the computing power at the center of the computing power at the center of the computing power at the center of the vehicle one of the issue I think in the vehicle one of the issue I think in the vehicle one of the issue I think in the past generation is that we do purpose past generation is that we do purpose past generation is that we do purpose build uh devices we do GPS's with this build uh devices we do GPS's with this build uh devices we do GPS's with this with that so if you go for a model where with that so if you go for a model where with that so if you go for a model where the edge is actually much more the edge is actually much more the edge is actually much more reprogrammable and OTA and thing like reprogrammable and OTA and thing like reprogrammable and OTA and thing like that you can adjust to this new Dynamic that you can adjust to this new Dynamic that you can adjust to this new Dynamic so then maybe the angle is instead of so then maybe the angle is instead of so then maybe the angle is instead of putting an optimization of charging putting an optimization of charging putting an optimization of charging device in your Fleet put a freaking Edge device in your Fleet put a freaking Edge device in your Fleet put a freaking Edge and then update the software regularly and then update the software regularly and then update the software regularly to the new use cases because that's one to the new use cases because that's one to the new use cases because that's one the problem you have with even with the problem you have with even with the problem you have with even with personal vehicles when you buy I bought personal vehicles when you buy I bought personal vehicles when you buy I bought a je Cherokee for my wife in 2014 and a je Cherokee for my wife in 2014 and a je Cherokee for my wife in 2014 and the thing has a computer that is barely the thing has a computer that is barely the thing has a computer that is barely powerful enough to run the software now powerful enough to run the software now powerful enough to run the software now so it cannot be upgraded so although so it cannot be upgraded so although so it cannot be upgraded so although yeah but that's that that requires yeah but that's that that requires yeah but that's that that requires re-engineering the whole vehicle re-engineering the whole vehicle re-engineering the whole vehicle practically exactly so if we can practically exactly so if we can practically exactly so if we can disconnect that but let's put an edge disconnect that but let's put an edge disconnect that but let's put an edge that actually have some kind of two that actually have some kind of two that actually have some kind of two three years at least of upgradeability three years at least of upgradeability three years at least of upgradeability and then it can be a much more Dynamic and then it can be a much more Dynamic and then it can be a much more Dynamic overthe model could be something overthe model could be something overthe model could be something interest any but you you know part of interest any but you you know part of interest any but you you know part of the part of the big challenge that the part of the big challenge that the part of the big challenge that you've had just with the with the EV you've had just with the with the EV you've had just with the with the EV side of it has been that so what what side of it has been that so what what side of it has been that so what what what plug do you use I've seen so many what plug do you use I've seen so many what plug do you use I've seen so many people have five different plugs because people have five different plugs because people have five different plugs because it's not standardized but there is an it's not standardized but there is an it's not standardized but there is an open charge Alliance that's trying to open charge Alliance that's trying to open charge Alliance that's trying to standardize on the plug and Tesla has I

standardize on the plug and Tesla has I standardize on the plug and Tesla has I mean Elon Musk kind of kind of kind of mean Elon Musk kind of kind of kind of mean Elon Musk kind of kind of kind of killed it right he killed it with this killed it right he killed it with this killed it right he killed it with this because standardizing on the charge plug because standardizing on the charge plug because standardizing on the charge plug standardizing on the charge station standardizing on the charge station standardizing on the charge station standard I mean and he's like I am the standard I mean and he's like I am the standard I mean and he's like I am the standard so I mean now it's how do you standard so I mean now it's how do you standard so I mean now it's how do you talk to these vehicles right especially talk to these vehicles right especially talk to these vehicles right especially in when you're looking at the in when you're looking at the in when you're looking at the communication and and to Andrea's Point communication and and to Andrea's Point communication and and to Andrea's Point there's definitely a privacy piece of it there's definitely a privacy piece of it there's definitely a privacy piece of it because that information exchange that's because that information exchange that's because that information exchange that's going from the vehicle to the charge going from the vehicle to the charge going from the vehicle to the charge station and everything else has all of station and everything else has all of station and everything else has all of your information in there it's tied to your information in there it's tied to your information in there it's tied to the the the vehicle now I'm going to say as the as vehicle now I'm going to say as the as vehicle now I'm going to say as the as the senior citizen of this group the senior citizen of this group the senior citizen of this group Demetri I'm a diesel petrol person this Demetri I'm a diesel petrol person this Demetri I'm a diesel petrol person this [ __ ] works I don't have to worry about [ __ ] works I don't have to worry about [ __ ] works I don't have to worry about the plug just freaking put the pump the plug just freaking put the pump the plug just freaking put the pump thing in there and it fills up my thing in there and it fills up my thing in there and it fills up my tractor tractor tractor trailers God bless God bless trailers God bless God bless trailers God bless God bless unbelievable but um but the number one unbelievable but um but the number one unbelievable but um but the number one thing is still high value Asset tracking thing is still high value Asset tracking thing is still high value Asset tracking no matter what we do it's still it's no matter what we do it's still it's no matter what we do it's still it's still coming off of the manufacturing still coming off of the manufacturing still coming off of the manufacturing facility at anrol ran is a sensor on a facility at anrol ran is a sensor on a facility at anrol ran is a sensor on a pallet with high Val value assets it pallet with high Val value assets it pallet with high Val value assets it goes through the supply chain tracking goes through the supply chain tracking goes through the supply chain tracking that unit that's still the number one that unit that's still the number one that unit that's still the number one selling iot thing in the world I'm glad selling iot thing in the world I'm glad selling iot thing in the world I'm glad you said it and I think Yan agrees but you said it and I think Yan agrees but you said it and I think Yan agrees but the tech exists for that so why is not the tech exists for that so why is not the tech exists for that so why is not everywhere the tech exists that's what

everywhere the tech exists that's what everywhere the tech exists that's what I'm I mean it is I mean right now I mean I'm I mean it is I mean right now I mean I'm I mean it is I mean right now I mean there are millions and millions of pets there are millions and millions of pets there are millions and millions of pets being being set but I mean at the end of being being set but I mean at the end of being being set but I mean at the end of the day in in and we can throw out a the day in in and we can throw out a the day in in and we can throw out a million use cases and I bet the answer million use cases and I bet the answer million use cases and I bet the answer is the tech exist for that does right is the tech exist for that does right is the tech exist for that does right now I I always say this in my speeches now I I always say this in my speeches now I I always say this in my speeches today is the best day to be in iot you today is the best day to be in iot you today is the best day to be in iot you can find anything and everything to can find anything and everything to can find anything and everything to solve any problem to anybody in the solve any problem to anybody in the solve any problem to anybody in the entire world no matter where you entire world no matter where you entire world no matter where you are yeah exactly from expensive stuff to are yeah exactly from expensive stuff to are yeah exactly from expensive stuff to cheap stuff Yen what's cheap stuff Yen what's cheap stuff Yen what's up you're up you're up you're mute you're mut you're mut mute you're mut you're mut mute you're mut you're mut Jen you've been quiet for so long Jen you've been quiet for so long Jen you've been quiet for so long so quiet we couldn't figure out so quiet we couldn't figure out so quiet we couldn't figure out why I'm sorry about that thing is that why I'm sorry about that thing is that why I'm sorry about that thing is that they that the problem you having even they that the problem you having even they that the problem you having even though you have the the tech is there though you have the the tech is there though you have the the tech is there you got the solution the reason why it's you got the solution the reason why it's you got the solution the reason why it's not pervasive yet is all the things not pervasive yet is all the things not pervasive yet is all the things about digital transformation so if about digital transformation so if about digital transformation so if you're thinking about this integrating you're thinking about this integrating you're thinking about this integrating into a supply chain even for Eng right into a supply chain even for Eng right into a supply chain even for Eng right the the complexity of getting all the the the complexity of getting all the the the complexity of getting all the right data and getting it back and and right data and getting it back and and right data and getting it back and and utilizing it that that it easy enough to utilizing it that that it easy enough to utilizing it that that it easy enough to create the iot solution but get that create the iot solution but get that create the iot solution but get that integrated into all the other systems integrated into all the other systems integrated into all the other systems that that where the struggle is yeah I that that where the struggle is yeah I that that where the struggle is yeah I mean we were we presented to the N group mean we were we presented to the N group mean we were we presented to the N group on some of the standards and some of the on some of the standards and some of the on some of the standards and some of the things that have come out over the last things that have come out over the last things that have come out over the last two weeks and they kept on saying the two weeks and they kept on saying the two weeks and they kept on saying the data the data to data I said well we're data the data to data I said well we're data the data to data I said well we're only looking at like 10% of the data

only looking at like 10% of the data only looking at like 10% of the data that's generated in the iot supply chain that's generated in the iot supply chain that's generated in the iot supply chain world so what are you asking for right I world so what are you asking for right I world so what are you asking for right I mean what do you want to do with it mean what do you want to do with it mean what do you want to do with it where do you want it we'll give it to where do you want it we'll give it to where do you want it we'll give it to you but you know what are you going to you but you know what are you going to you but you know what are you going to do with it yeah it it all depends on do with it yeah it it all depends on do with it yeah it it all depends on what kind um the data yeah I keep on what kind um the data yeah I keep on what kind um the data yeah I keep on yeah I I I keep on thinking that it's yeah I I I keep on thinking that it's yeah I I I keep on thinking that it's because the the the the edges are not because the the the the edges are not because the the the the edges are not flexible enough because those problem flexible enough because those problem flexible enough because those problem can be can be solved by software I mean can be can be solved by software I mean can be can be solved by software I mean if you have a new plug a new protocol a if you have a new plug a new protocol a if you have a new plug a new protocol a new whatever data if you have enough new whatever data if you have enough new whatever data if you have enough compute power on the edge you just push compute power on the edge you just push compute power on the edge you just push an update and then you can so I think an update and then you can so I think an update and then you can so I think this the thinking of how much compute we this the thinking of how much compute we this the thinking of how much compute we put in those machines to enigh use case put in those machines to enigh use case put in those machines to enigh use case that has been wrong but I mean it's just that has been wrong but I mean it's just that has been wrong but I mean it's just me so well the other thing too is that me so well the other thing too is that me so well the other thing too is that you put the edge wear in a tractor you put the edge wear in a tractor you put the edge wear in a tractor trailer is it in the trailer or is it in trailer is it in the trailer or is it in trailer is it in the trailer or is it in the tractor I mean and the tractor I mean and the tractor I mean and so if you're changing trailers the so if you're changing trailers the so if you're changing trailers the trailer has got to have the connectivity trailer has got to have the connectivity trailer has got to have the connectivity and the sensors to go into the edge box and the sensors to go into the edge box and the sensors to go into the edge box but that's my point that's my point you but that's my point that's my point you but that's my point that's my point you put in both and you put enough so that put in both and you put enough so that put in both and you put enough so that you can update and change and that's I you can update and change and that's I you can update and change and that's I think we haven't break that kind of think we haven't break that kind of think we haven't break that kind of embedded system Paradigm where you put embedded system Paradigm where you put embedded system Paradigm where you put something at this purpose build is not something at this purpose build is not something at this purpose build is not generic enough so we're not benefiting generic enough so we're not benefiting generic enough so we're not benefiting for the software defined concept yet to for the software defined concept yet to for the software defined concept yet to me that's probably what he's missing but me that's probably what he's missing but me that's probably what he's missing but anyway yeah I don't know I mean I'm I'm anyway yeah I don't know I mean I'm I'm anyway yeah I don't know I mean I'm I'm I'm on the OCA and I mean I I've been I'm on the OCA and I mean I I've been I'm on the OCA and I mean I I've been there for the last two years ever since there for the last two years ever since there for the last two years ever since they started talking about the you know they started talking about the you know they started talking about the you know open charge Point protocol and you would open charge Point protocol and you would open charge Point protocol and you would be in I mean just the workflow to get a

be in I mean just the workflow to get a be in I mean just the workflow to get a vehicle to vehicle to vehicle to charge yeah is charge yeah is charge yeah is ridiculous it I mean it is wild ridiculous it I mean it is wild ridiculous it I mean it is wild I mean it it for two years we've been at I mean it it for two years we've been at I mean it it for two years we've been at it and there's still not a standard it and there's still not a standard it and there's still not a standard ratified yeah use gen to do that train ratified yeah use gen to do that train ratified yeah use gen to do that train it on all the protocols there's no it on all the protocols there's no it on all the protocols there's no magic I think that's a problem I'm magic I think that's a problem I'm magic I think that's a problem I'm serious I I can tell you I can tell you serious I I can tell you I can tell you serious I I can tell you I can tell you this and I and and some people suggested this and I and and some people suggested this and I and and some people suggested that and I lit the room up with get the that and I lit the room up with get the that and I lit the room up with get the [ __ ] out of here with that bull [ __ ] with lack of security and lack of [ __ ] with lack of security and lack of anything else to go through all of these anything else to go through all of these anything else to go through all of these things and just come out with here you things and just come out with here you things and just come out with here you go this is it get you know what you want go this is it get you know what you want go this is it get you know what you want to do that yeah but I mean that's what I heard from yeah but I mean that's what I heard from Jensen last week all those robots are Jensen last week all those robots are Jensen last week all those robots are going to get just put the robot into the going to get just put the robot into the going to get just put the robot into the the car and to charge itself why we're the car and to charge itself why we're the car and to charge itself why we're x-rated that's right not for children x-rated that's right not for children x-rated that's right not for children this video is not for children x-rated this video is not for children x-rated this video is not for children x-rated iot Tech show in the world I recommend iot Tech show in the world I recommend iot Tech show in the world I recommend everyone go get one of these yeah maybe everyone go get one of these yeah maybe everyone go get one of these yeah maybe that's the next iot Coffee Talk t-shirt that's the next iot Coffee Talk t-shirt that's the next iot Coffee Talk t-shirt you know that's you know that's you know that's it my f my favorite t-shirt is if you it my f my favorite t-shirt is if you it my f my favorite t-shirt is if you don't like my opinions you should know

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