IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 302 - Netscape (A Neuromorphic Throwback)

know what this URL is? know what this URL is? >> I I sent it to different LinkedIn stuff >> I I sent it to different LinkedIn stuff >> I I sent it to different LinkedIn stuff and but I don't know if anybody and but I don't know if anybody and but I don't know if anybody >> Yeah. You know, we'll have a little >> Yeah. You know, we'll have a little >> Yeah. You know, we'll have a little We'll have a little chat. We'll have a little chat. We'll have a little chat. >> We'll have a little chat. We'll pick up >> We'll have a little chat. We'll pick up >> We'll have a little chat. We'll pick up where we left off at the uh at the where we left off at the uh at the where we left off at the uh at the catfish restaurant. catfish restaurant. catfish restaurant. >> That's right. The catfish parlor. >> That's right. The catfish parlor. >> That's right. The catfish parlor. >> Yes, >> Yes, >> Yes, >> exactly. Welcome everyone to IoT Coffee >> exactly. Welcome everyone to IoT Coffee >> exactly. Welcome everyone to IoT Coffee Talk. Your fearless leaders are here. Me Talk. Your fearless leaders are here. Me Talk. Your fearless leaders are here. Me and Pete. It's just us. There might be and Pete. It's just us. There might be and Pete. It's just us. There might be some other people. I don't know. Leonard some other people. I don't know. Leonard some other people. I don't know. Leonard is on an airplane like many people. I is on an airplane like many people. I is on an airplane like many people. I haven't done his lyrics yet. I'm sure haven't done his lyrics yet. I'm sure haven't done his lyrics yet. I'm sure you shortly. Are you heading to MWC you shortly. Are you heading to MWC you shortly. Are you heading to MWC soon? soon? soon? >> No. You know, I'm not I'm not doing the >> No. You know, I'm not I'm not doing the >> No. You know, I'm not I'm not doing the MWC anymore. I got I got my got my MWC anymore. I got I got my got my MWC anymore. I got I got my got my money's worth on that thing. Um I'm money's worth on that thing. Um I'm money's worth on that thing. Um I'm focused on Embedded World. I'm going to focused on Embedded World. I'm going to focused on Embedded World. I'm going to leave Sa Saturday for Embedded World. leave Sa Saturday for Embedded World. leave Sa Saturday for Embedded World. >> Okay. All right. >> Okay. All right. >> Okay. All right. >> And then I was in Texas this week, as >> And then I was in Texas this week, as >> And then I was in Texas this week, as you know. So, you know. So, you know. So, >> yeah. Yeah. Unseasonably warm in Texas, >> yeah. Yeah. Unseasonably warm in Texas, >> yeah. Yeah. Unseasonably warm in Texas, I noticed. I noticed. I noticed. >> Was it? Yeah, it was very pleasant. I >> Was it? Yeah, it was very pleasant. I >> Was it? Yeah, it was very pleasant. I >> It was nice. >> It was nice. >> It was nice. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Did a lot of driving when I was there. I >> Did a lot of driving when I was there. I >> Did a lot of driving when I was there. I was just telling someone someone from was just telling someone someone from was just telling someone someone from Silicon Labs.

Silicon Labs. Silicon Labs. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Tell them about all the driving I did. I >> Tell them about all the driving I did. I >> Tell them about all the driving I did. I went I landed in San Antonio went I landed in San Antonio went I landed in San Antonio >> and went to the UT San Antonio uh >> and went to the UT San Antonio uh >> and went to the UT San Antonio uh neuromorphic launch. The launch of Thor. neuromorphic launch. The launch of Thor. neuromorphic launch. The launch of Thor. >> That's a big word. >> That's a big word. >> That's a big word. >> Big word. Neuromorphic. Uh that was fun. >> Big word. Neuromorphic. Uh that was fun. >> Big word. Neuromorphic. Uh that was fun. And it was very like all UTSA and uh and And it was very like all UTSA and uh and And it was very like all UTSA and uh and actually uh actually uh actually uh >> you know academia from all over the US >> you know academia from all over the US >> you know academia from all over the US and actually worldwide because it's a and actually worldwide because it's a and actually worldwide because it's a it's a it's a um a deployment of it's a it's a um a deployment of it's a it's a um a deployment of neuromorphic chips in like a server neuromorphic chips in like a server neuromorphic chips in like a server rack. rack. rack. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Like >> Like >> Like >> it's like 48 chips aboard 50 boards. >> it's like 48 chips aboard 50 boards. >> it's like 48 chips aboard 50 boards. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Like it's it's a huge shared resource >> Like it's it's a huge shared resource >> Like it's it's a huge shared resource for running like spiky neural network for running like spiky neural network for running like spiky neural network workloads. workloads. workloads. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Search anded by >> Search anded by >> Search anded by >> Sandia and uh NSF and >> Sandia and uh NSF and >> Sandia and uh NSF and >> NSF. Okay. So, you know, a lot of work >> NSF. Okay. So, you know, a lot of work >> NSF. Okay. So, you know, a lot of work to get that thing off the ground. So, it to get that thing off the ground. So, it to get that thing off the ground. So, it was cool. So, we had a dayong was cool. So, we had a dayong was cool. So, we had a dayong discussion of neuromorphics. We had a discussion of neuromorphics. We had a discussion of neuromorphics. We had a walkthrough of how to put your workloads walkthrough of how to put your workloads walkthrough of how to put your workloads onto this thing, which I think we all onto this thing, which I think we all onto this thing, which I think we all agreed needs a lot of work. It was like agreed needs a lot of work. It was like agreed needs a lot of work. It was like uh it was like I called it an uh it was like I called it an uh it was like I called it an unforgiving interface. Let me put it unforgiving interface. Let me put it unforgiving interface. Let me put it that way.

that way. that way. >> Is there Phoenix like when I was a BIOS >> Is there Phoenix like when I was a BIOS >> Is there Phoenix like when I was a BIOS developer, that's what it felt like. developer, that's what it felt like. developer, that's what it felt like. >> There you go. Is there like this >> There you go. Is there like this >> There you go. Is there like this neuromorph this whole thing? Is there a neuromorph this whole thing? Is there a neuromorph this whole thing? Is there a a layman's terms that you could explain a layman's terms that you could explain a layman's terms that you could explain what it is or what it's for? what it is or what it's for? what it is or what it's for? >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I sometimes it's >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I sometimes it's >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I sometimes it's referred to as hyperefficient AI, but referred to as hyperefficient AI, but referred to as hyperefficient AI, but but it's basically a redesign of the of but it's basically a redesign of the of but it's basically a redesign of the of the architecture of the silicon to the architecture of the silicon to the architecture of the silicon to support like what's called spiking support like what's called spiking support like what's called spiking neural networks, which are neural neural networks, which are neural neural networks, which are neural networks that happen based on the kind networks that happen based on the kind networks that happen based on the kind of to mimic the brain activity. So, it's of to mimic the brain activity. So, it's of to mimic the brain activity. So, it's almost like you're not really consuming almost like you're not really consuming almost like you're not really consuming any power unless the signal changes. any power unless the signal changes. any power unless the signal changes. Okay, Okay, Okay, >> kind of how you describe it. So, um, but >> kind of how you describe it. So, um, but >> kind of how you describe it. So, um, but instead of taking our our new AI models instead of taking our our new AI models instead of taking our our new AI models and sticking them in kind of traditional and sticking them in kind of traditional and sticking them in kind of traditional architecture, which we have, right, the architecture, which we have, right, the architecture, which we have, right, the Benyman Benyman Benyman >> kind of thing we've had for 50 years, 60 >> kind of thing we've had for 50 years, 60 >> kind of thing we've had for 50 years, 60 years, years, years, >> years. >> years. >> years. >> So, it's like what if you redesign the >> So, it's like what if you redesign the >> So, it's like what if you redesign the chip around the AI model? chip around the AI model? chip around the AI model? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, the way the human brain works, >> You know, the way the human brain works, >> You know, the way the human brain works, which is, you know, orders of magnitude, which is, you know, orders of magnitude, which is, you know, orders of magnitude, many orders of magnitude more efficient many orders of magnitude more efficient many orders of magnitude more efficient than computers.

than computers. than computers. >> That makes a lot more sense. And then >> That makes a lot more sense. And then >> That makes a lot more sense. And then you could actually uh run stuff at you could actually uh run stuff at you could actually uh run stuff at really super low power, orders of really super low power, orders of really super low power, orders of magnitude less power. Like magnitude less power. Like magnitude less power. Like >> I just had a weird flashback related to >> I just had a weird flashback related to >> I just had a weird flashback related to hey, instead of using these whatever hey, instead of using these whatever hey, instead of using these whatever general purpose or even GPUs for this general purpose or even GPUs for this general purpose or even GPUs for this software thing that maybe they don't software thing that maybe they don't software thing that maybe they don't fit. Let's build a new chip that maps to fit. Let's build a new chip that maps to fit. Let's build a new chip that maps to it. Do you remember it. Do you remember it. Do you remember Sun Microsystems building a Java chip in Sun Microsystems building a Java chip in Sun Microsystems building a Java chip in the '90s? the '90s? the '90s? >> I think I remember that. It was >> I think I remember that. It was >> I think I remember that. It was >> the chip itself, the microode and >> the chip itself, the microode and >> the chip itself, the microode and everything was optimized for the JVM. everything was optimized for the JVM. everything was optimized for the JVM. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> No, I mean and um I remember when >> No, I mean and um I remember when >> No, I mean and um I remember when Microsoft remember I think we had talked Microsoft remember I think we had talked Microsoft remember I think we had talked about at one point like how do we about at one point like how do we about at one point like how do we hardware accelerate like Windows you hardware accelerate like Windows you hardware accelerate like Windows you know? know? know? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um you know that that they you know >> Um you know that that they you know >> Um you know that that they you know hardware and software as some of you may hardware and software as some of you may hardware and software as some of you may know is basically the same thing. I mean know is basically the same thing. I mean know is basically the same thing. I mean it's it's just you can't recompile the it's it's just you can't recompile the it's it's just you can't recompile the hardware. So, so you're either running hardware. So, so you're either running hardware. So, so you're either running it like loosey goosey up there in it like loosey goosey up there in it like loosey goosey up there in software or you're committing you're software or you're committing you're software or you're committing you're committing to it in hardware committing to it in hardware committing to it in hardware >> all that and um >> all that and um >> all that and um >> assembler >> assembler >> assembler >> in assembler. So, so you got to pick >> in assembler. So, so you got to pick >> in assembler. So, so you got to pick pick and choose and what was it Alan K pick and choose and what was it Alan K pick and choose and what was it Alan K who said whoever is serious about who said whoever is serious about who said whoever is serious about software needs to build hardware or software needs to build hardware or software needs to build hardware or something. So, something. So, something. So, >> that's right.

>> that's right. >> that's right. >> It is it is the same discipline. It is. >> It is it is the same discipline. It is. >> It is it is the same discipline. It is. It is. And then I think these days when It is. And then I think these days when It is. And then I think these days when people get into Python and kind of all people get into Python and kind of all people get into Python and kind of all kinds of vibe coding and like kinds of vibe coding and like kinds of vibe coding and like >> way up here, way >> way up here, way >> way up here, way >> they're like so, you know, removed from >> they're like so, you know, removed from >> they're like so, you know, removed from what's actually happening. Sometimes what's actually happening. Sometimes what's actually happening. Sometimes it's getting good to get down into like it's getting good to get down into like it's getting good to get down into like the bits in the registers and like this the bits in the registers and like this the bits in the registers and like this >> they're a thousand miles away from the >> they're a thousand miles away from the >> they're a thousand miles away from the chip. chip. chip. >> Many thousands. But yeah, but but yeah, >> Many thousands. But yeah, but but yeah, >> Many thousands. But yeah, but but yeah, the neuromorphic stuff is really cool. the neuromorphic stuff is really cool. the neuromorphic stuff is really cool. There's companies like Initera, There's companies like Initera, There's companies like Initera, Brainchip, Brainchip, Brainchip, >> uh you know, Fento AI does the sparsity >> uh you know, Fento AI does the sparsity >> uh you know, Fento AI does the sparsity program um accelerator, a lot of program um accelerator, a lot of program um accelerator, a lot of companies kind of innovating with new companies kind of innovating with new companies kind of innovating with new architectures at the far edge. So you architectures at the far edge. So you architectures at the far edge. So you imagine like peel and stick AI sensors imagine like peel and stick AI sensors imagine like peel and stick AI sensors and yeah wearables, wearables, and yeah wearables, wearables, and yeah wearables, wearables, hearables, implantables, you know, hearables, implantables, you know, hearables, implantables, you know, >> um anything that's running AI workloads >> um anything that's running AI workloads >> um anything that's running AI workloads and needs super extended battery life or and needs super extended battery life or and needs super extended battery life or any I mean everyone I was saying like any I mean everyone I was saying like any I mean everyone I was saying like you never have enough battery life you never have enough battery life you never have enough battery life doesn't matter, doesn't matter, doesn't matter, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> If your phone lasts for a day, it's like >> If your phone lasts for a day, it's like >> If your phone lasts for a day, it's like I wish it was two days. You know, phones I wish it was two days. You know, phones I wish it was two days. You know, phones used to last for like four days, right? used to last for like four days, right? used to last for like four days, right? >> Right. Or five days and like oh my god >> Right. Or five days and like oh my god >> Right. Or five days and like oh my god my phone lasted a day. Like it's not my phone lasted a day. Like it's not my phone lasted a day. Like it's not that good.

that good. that good. >> Wow. Your star tack used to last a long >> Wow. Your star tack used to last a long >> Wow. Your star tack used to last a long time. time. time. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, so so you you uh >> Yeah. I mean, you know, so so you you uh >> Yeah. I mean, you know, so so you you uh power efficiency is a huge frontier for power efficiency is a huge frontier for power efficiency is a huge frontier for AI, not just because of obviously the AI, not just because of obviously the AI, not just because of obviously the data center issues around, you know, data center issues around, you know, data center issues around, you know, each data center needs to come with its each data center needs to come with its each data center needs to come with its own nuclear power plant now, but own nuclear power plant now, but own nuclear power plant now, but >> right >> right >> right >> also just everyday life like um battery >> also just everyday life like um battery >> also just everyday life like um battery powered things, solar powered uh powered things, solar powered uh powered things, solar powered uh pedestrian safety cameras, I mean you pedestrian safety cameras, I mean you pedestrian safety cameras, I mean you name it. name it. name it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So this power efficiency thing is pretty >> So this power efficiency thing is pretty >> So this power efficiency thing is pretty cool. It's a neuromorphic school. Well, cool. It's a neuromorphic school. Well, cool. It's a neuromorphic school. Well, it's just it is a big kind of a big leap it's just it is a big kind of a big leap it's just it is a big kind of a big leap and requires like you know a different and requires like you know a different and requires like you know a different tool chain and different way of thinking tool chain and different way of thinking tool chain and different way of thinking about things about things about things >> and uh but you know it's a huge >> and uh but you know it's a huge >> and uh but you know it's a huge opportunity uh it is opportunity uh it is opportunity uh it is >> to get in there and >> to get in there and >> to get in there and >> do something different and new. So um so >> do something different and new. So um so >> do something different and new. So um so I spent the first day at San Antonio. I spent the first day at San Antonio. I spent the first day at San Antonio. >> Okay. Did you go to the Alamo? >> Okay. Did you go to the Alamo? >> Okay. Did you go to the Alamo? >> I did actually. So we went out to >> I did actually. So we went out to >> I did actually. So we went out to dinner, beautiful dinner and then it was dinner, beautiful dinner and then it was dinner, beautiful dinner and then it was like I'm like you know I think I'm like like I'm like you know I think I'm like like I'm like you know I think I'm like 2 minutes from the Alamo. So and it was 2 minutes from the Alamo. So and it was 2 minutes from the Alamo. So and it was like 9:00 at night. So I I drove over like 9:00 at night. So I I drove over like 9:00 at night. So I I drove over there and I walked around. It was there and I walked around. It was there and I walked around. It was closed. I walked around and yeah, I took closed. I walked around and yeah, I took closed. I walked around and yeah, I took some pictures and I stood there Davy some pictures and I stood there Davy some pictures and I stood there Davy Crockett statue, Crockett statue, Crockett statue, >> right?

>> right? >> right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that was cool. Cool. And then I I >> And that was cool. Cool. And then I I >> And that was cool. Cool. And then I I found a cool bar and uh and hung out found a cool bar and uh and hung out found a cool bar and uh and hung out there for a little bit. But then I the there for a little bit. But then I the there for a little bit. But then I the next day I drove up to Richardson, next day I drove up to Richardson, next day I drove up to Richardson, Texas. M. Texas. M. Texas. M. >> So this is right >> So this is right >> So this is right >> which was previously a long long time >> which was previously a long long time >> which was previously a long long time ago was kind of known as like a telco ago was kind of known as like a telco ago was kind of known as like a telco alley alley alley >> like back when like the tele remember uh >> like back when like the tele remember uh >> like back when like the tele remember uh what was it northern what was it northern what was it northern um um um >> Nortell >> Nortell >> Nortell >> Nortell was there >> Nortell was there >> Nortell was there >> and a bunch of and Erikson and all these >> and a bunch of and Erikson and all these >> and a bunch of and Erikson and all these other companies were in Richardson up other companies were in Richardson up other companies were in Richardson up that freeway. It's like north of Dallas. that freeway. It's like north of Dallas. that freeway. It's like north of Dallas. North. North. North. >> Back in the heyday when telecoms had a >> Back in the heyday when telecoms had a >> Back in the heyday when telecoms had a lot of money before today where they are lot of money before today where they are lot of money before today where they are all leveraged to the hilt. all leveraged to the hilt. all leveraged to the hilt. >> Yeah, I know. Sad. But uh but I actually >> Yeah, I know. Sad. But uh but I actually >> Yeah, I know. Sad. But uh but I actually speaking of heyday, I went and visited speaking of heyday, I went and visited speaking of heyday, I went and visited Texas Instruments at their headquarters Texas Instruments at their headquarters Texas Instruments at their headquarters headquarters, corporate headquarters. headquarters, corporate headquarters. headquarters, corporate headquarters. >> Had a great meeting there. Talked about >> Had a great meeting there. Talked about >> Had a great meeting there. Talked about what we're doing, what they're doing. what we're doing, what they're doing. what we're doing, what they're doing. They're they're all in on edge, which is They're they're all in on edge, which is They're they're all in on edge, which is cool to see. cool to see. cool to see. >> That's awesome. cool to see like kind of >> That's awesome. cool to see like kind of >> That's awesome. cool to see like kind of these, you know, companies with long these, you know, companies with long these, you know, companies with long histories kind of adopting a lot of new histories kind of adopting a lot of new histories kind of adopting a lot of new stuff. So, I did that and then I drove stuff. So, I did that and then I drove stuff. So, I did that and then I drove then I drove down to Austin after that then I drove down to Austin after that then I drove down to Austin after that meeting. Oh, but wait, I stopped first meeting. Oh, but wait, I stopped first meeting. Oh, but wait, I stopped first since I was in Dallas.

since I was in Dallas. since I was in Dallas. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> I went to De Plaza. >> I went to De Plaza. >> I went to De Plaza. >> Oh, right. Right. >> Oh, right. Right. >> Oh, right. Right. >> I went to De Plaza. I stood where >> I went to De Plaza. I stood where >> I went to De Plaza. I stood where Zaprder stood. I took a little video, Zaprder stood. I took a little video, Zaprder stood. I took a little video, you know. I was like total tourist. And then I drove I drove my car. Of And then I drove I drove my car. Of course I down the same road, course I down the same road, course I down the same road, >> right? And that was kind of freaky. >> right? And that was kind of freaky. >> right? And that was kind of freaky. >> Kept the top up that time. >> Kept the top up that time. >> Kept the top up that time. >> That's right. Yes. Yeah. That time I >> That's right. Yes. Yeah. That time I >> That's right. Yes. Yeah. That time I kept the top up. kept the top up. kept the top up. >> Yep. Smart move. >> Yep. Smart move. >> Yep. Smart move. >> Too soon. Too soon. >> Too soon. Too soon. >> Too soon. Too soon. >> Too soon. >> Too soon. >> Too soon. >> Uh but um yeah. So then I went from >> Uh but um yeah. So then I went from >> Uh but um yeah. So then I went from Dallas down to uh to Austin. Um and then Dallas down to uh to Austin. Um and then Dallas down to uh to Austin. Um and then and then uh and then I the next day I and then uh and then I the next day I and then uh and then I the next day I met with uh well we had lunch so that met with uh well we had lunch so that met with uh well we had lunch so that >> with Jason >> with Jason >> with Jason >> and Jason Shepard from Adam and then I >> and Jason Shepard from Adam and then I >> and Jason Shepard from Adam and then I with Infinian some folks from Infinian with Infinian some folks from Infinian with Infinian some folks from Infinian at their headquarters there. at their headquarters there. at their headquarters there. >> Oh that's cool. >> Oh that's cool. >> Oh that's cool. >> Uh and I stopped at Bies along the way. >> Uh and I stopped at Bies along the way. >> Uh and I stopped at Bies along the way. >> What was your takeaway from BIES? It's >> What was your takeaway from BIES? It's >> What was your takeaway from BIES? It's like a like a like a >> uh a cultural phenomenon. No, no >> uh a cultural phenomenon. No, no >> uh a cultural phenomenon. No, no shortage of gas pumps and uh shortage of gas pumps and uh shortage of gas pumps and uh >> but then yeah, I got a brisket sandwich >> but then yeah, I got a brisket sandwich >> but then yeah, I got a brisket sandwich there and some there and some there and some >> lime and pe lime and salt peanuts. Those >> lime and pe lime and salt peanuts. Those >> lime and pe lime and salt peanuts. Those are good.

are good. are good. >> That's kind of cool. >> That's kind of cool. >> That's kind of cool. >> Yeah. So, I got some I got some Bucky >> Yeah. So, I got some I got some Bucky >> Yeah. So, I got some I got some Bucky stuff. And uh so I felt like I had a stuff. And uh so I felt like I had a stuff. And uh so I felt like I had a good Texas experience. And I was I was good Texas experience. And I was I was good Texas experience. And I was I was telling folks on the call this morning telling folks on the call this morning telling folks on the call this morning like we have a lot of partners down like we have a lot of partners down like we have a lot of partners down there and there's so much happening. I there and there's so much happening. I there and there's so much happening. I mean, you're down there, too. You know, mean, you're down there, too. You know, mean, you're down there, too. You know, it it's like I could have spent all week it it's like I could have spent all week it it's like I could have spent all week there easily. Oh yeah. there easily. Oh yeah. there easily. Oh yeah. >> In fact, as I was I posted on LinkedIn, >> In fact, as I was I posted on LinkedIn, >> In fact, as I was I posted on LinkedIn, I got lots of ping saying, "Hey, you're I got lots of ping saying, "Hey, you're I got lots of ping saying, "Hey, you're here. Let's meet, you know, and Dell's here. Let's meet, you know, and Dell's here. Let's meet, you know, and Dell's down there and everybody and I could down there and everybody and I could down there and everybody and I could have spent the whole week." So maybe have spent the whole week." So maybe have spent the whole week." So maybe next time I'll stay longer. next time I'll stay longer. next time I'll stay longer. >> You know, there's some historical >> You know, there's some historical >> You know, there's some historical significance to Texas Instruments. significance to Texas Instruments. significance to Texas Instruments. You know, obviously, you know, what is You know, obviously, you know, what is You know, obviously, you know, what is it? Um, Robert Noise, whatever Fairchild it? Um, Robert Noise, whatever Fairchild it? Um, Robert Noise, whatever Fairchild gets lots of love around the transistor gets lots of love around the transistor gets lots of love around the transistor and starting the whole semiconductor, and starting the whole semiconductor, and starting the whole semiconductor, but that actually was invented at Texas but that actually was invented at Texas but that actually was invented at Texas Instruments. Mhm. Instruments. Mhm. Instruments. Mhm. >> And but he went on and improved upon the >> And but he went on and improved upon the >> And but he went on and improved upon the design that TI had come out with to make design that TI had come out with to make design that TI had come out with to make it more efficient. And obviously they it more efficient. And obviously they it more efficient. And obviously they built Fairchild and then Intel and all built Fairchild and then Intel and all built Fairchild and then Intel and all that.

that. that. >> Yeah. No, TI is right at the the >> Yeah. No, TI is right at the the >> Yeah. No, TI is right at the the beginning. And there are there they beginning. And there are there they beginning. And there are there they still have the same architecture which I still have the same architecture which I still have the same architecture which I love. The the architecture they had at love. The the architecture they had at love. The the architecture they had at their headquarters is very their headquarters is very their headquarters is very >> Does it look like it's >> Does it look like it's >> Does it look like it's decades ago? Yeah. I mean, it's all new decades ago? Yeah. I mean, it's all new decades ago? Yeah. I mean, it's all new new carpet and stuff. I It's not It's new carpet and stuff. I It's not It's new carpet and stuff. I It's not It's nice. It's nice, but uh clearly like nice. It's nice, but uh clearly like nice. It's nice, but uh clearly like kind of mid-century, kind of mid-century, kind of mid-century, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Retro tech. Uh which is kind of cool. >> Retro tech. Uh which is kind of cool. >> Retro tech. Uh which is kind of cool. >> Can you imagine being back then those >> Can you imagine being back then those >> Can you imagine being back then those days, you know, whether you're TI or days, you know, whether you're TI or days, you know, whether you're TI or you're at Fairchild or you're at Intel, you're at Fairchild or you're at Intel, you're at Fairchild or you're at Intel, you know, and the world is your oyster. you know, and the world is your oyster. you know, and the world is your oyster. You're creating a whole new you. I mean, You're creating a whole new you. I mean, You're creating a whole new you. I mean, think about those, you know, they think about those, you know, they think about those, you know, they created a whole new world with these created a whole new world with these created a whole new world with these chips. You know, chips. You know, chips. You know, >> they had their short sleeve white shirts >> they had their short sleeve white shirts >> they had their short sleeve white shirts with the with the with the >> Yes. Protector thing. >> Yes. Protector thing. >> Yes. Protector thing. >> They look like they worked at NASA at >> They look like they worked at NASA at >> They look like they worked at NASA at mission control, right? mission control, right? mission control, right? >> You bet. You bet. Uh, and they were they >> You bet. You bet. Uh, and they were they >> You bet. You bet. Uh, and they were they were creating a whole new world just were creating a whole new world just were creating a whole new world just kind of like AI is creating a whole new kind of like AI is creating a whole new kind of like AI is creating a whole new world right now. world right now. world right now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> A more a darker, more dystopian world.

>> A more a darker, more dystopian world. >> A more a darker, more dystopian world. world. world. world. >> I mean, check your stock price lately on >> I mean, check your stock price lately on >> I mean, check your stock price lately on everything. everything. everything. >> Yikes. >> Yikes. >> Yikes. >> Yeah, it is. It's kind of kind of scary. >> Yeah, it is. It's kind of kind of scary. >> Yeah, it is. It's kind of kind of scary. >> No, it's cool to go uh and meet with >> No, it's cool to go uh and meet with >> No, it's cool to go uh and meet with these companies like Analog Devices these companies like Analog Devices these companies like Analog Devices joined our foundation recently. joined our foundation recently. joined our foundation recently. >> Oh, good. >> Oh, good. >> Oh, good. >> And another classic, you know. >> And another classic, you know. >> And another classic, you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Company that's just been around, you >> Company that's just been around, you >> Company that's just been around, you know, since the beginning in Boston, you know, since the beginning in Boston, you know, since the beginning in Boston, you know, and uh Yeah. know, and uh Yeah. know, and uh Yeah. >> Old school Boston Tech, you know. I love >> Old school Boston Tech, you know. I love >> Old school Boston Tech, you know. I love old school Boston tech companies. You old school Boston tech companies. You old school Boston tech companies. You got to give lots of love to old school got to give lots of love to old school got to give lots of love to old school box. box. box. >> Math Works. Math Works is out there. >> Math Works. Math Works is out there. >> Math Works. Math Works is out there. >> Oh yeah, Math Works. Okay, they do Mat >> Oh yeah, Math Works. Okay, they do Mat >> Oh yeah, Math Works. Okay, they do Mat Lab and all that. Lab and all that. Lab and all that. >> Mat Lab. >> Mat Lab. >> Mat Lab. >> Yeah, totally remember that. Yeah, >> Yeah, totally remember that. Yeah, >> Yeah, totally remember that. Yeah, that's awesome. that's awesome. that's awesome. >> Mat Lab is still still there and um so >> Mat Lab is still still there and um so >> Mat Lab is still still there and um so they're they're still, you know, doing they're they're still, you know, doing they're they're still, you know, doing lots of cool stuff. So yeah, these lots of cool stuff. So yeah, these lots of cool stuff. So yeah, these companies uh I wouldn't say reinvent companies uh I wouldn't say reinvent companies uh I wouldn't say reinvent themselves, but they have to keep themselves, but they have to keep themselves, but they have to keep evolving and keep innovating and uh evolving and keep innovating and uh evolving and keep innovating and uh >> so it's good to see that too. I mean, we >> so it's good to see that too. I mean, we >> so it's good to see that too. I mean, we have lots of I work with lots of have lots of I work with lots of have lots of I work with lots of startups who are, you know, I had a call startups who are, you know, I had a call startups who are, you know, I had a call yesterday with a company called Zedic in yesterday with a company called Zedic in yesterday with a company called Zedic in Korea who do a pretty cool, Korea who do a pretty cool, Korea who do a pretty cool, >> I would say, model munching is my word >> I would say, model munching is my word >> I would say, model munching is my word for it. Take a model over here and put for it. Take a model over here and put for it. Take a model over here and put it over here and to kind of recompile it it over here and to kind of recompile it it over here and to kind of recompile it and optimize it and, you know, it and optimize it and, you know, it and optimize it and, you know, it >> and very cool. And they're like, you >> and very cool. And they're like, you >> and very cool. And they're like, you know, a year and a half old, you know, know, a year and a half old, you know, know, a year and a half old, you know, >> right?

>> right? >> right? >> Coming up on two years, right? Okay. >> Coming up on two years, right? Okay. >> Coming up on two years, right? Okay. And, uh, And, uh, And, uh, >> there's no shortage of those. There's >> there's no shortage of those. There's >> there's no shortage of those. There's hundreds of those, thousands of those in hundreds of those, thousands of those in hundreds of those, thousands of those in the in the AI space, especially also in the in the AI space, especially also in the in the AI space, especially also in AJI space. But AJI space. But AJI space. But >> that's awesome. >> that's awesome. >> that's awesome. >> But then you see these other folks like >> But then you see these other folks like >> But then you see these other folks like the Infinians and the Texas Instruments the Infinians and the Texas Instruments the Infinians and the Texas Instruments and they're like, hey, you know, they've and they're like, hey, you know, they've and they're like, hey, you know, they've been around for decades, been around for decades, been around for decades, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And customers have shipped >> And customers have shipped >> And customers have shipped >> quintilion units of >> quintilion units of >> quintilion units of >> quintilion units. That's a that's a lot >> quintilion units. That's a that's a lot >> quintilion units. That's a that's a lot of units. That's more than a million. of units. That's more than a million. of units. That's more than a million. >> It's cool to see this ecosystem where >> It's cool to see this ecosystem where >> It's cool to see this ecosystem where there's always new folks coming in. And there's always new folks coming in. And there's always new folks coming in. And >> that's so cool. Um, I had like a dinner, >> that's so cool. Um, I had like a dinner, >> that's so cool. Um, I had like a dinner, you know, that night, same night I saw you know, that night, same night I saw you know, that night, same night I saw you, um, over by over by the University you, um, over by over by the University you, um, over by over by the University of Texas and, uh, was like an IDC dinner of Texas and, uh, was like an IDC dinner of Texas and, uh, was like an IDC dinner and then we had a bunch of local execs and then we had a bunch of local execs and then we had a bunch of local execs from all, you know, all the usual from all, you know, all the usual from all, you know, all the usual suspects, companies there, AMD was suspects, companies there, AMD was suspects, companies there, AMD was there, Dell obviously, uh, AWS, not there, Dell obviously, uh, AWS, not there, Dell obviously, uh, AWS, not >> compact was there. >> compact was there. >> compact was there. >> Yeah. Yeah, Matt was there. You know, it >> Yeah. Yeah, Matt was there. You know, it >> Yeah. Yeah, Matt was there. You know, it was good. Ashish was there. Um and so was good. Ashish was there. Um and so was good. Ashish was there. Um and so yeah, we talked about aentic AI and had yeah, we talked about aentic AI and had yeah, we talked about aentic AI and had a lively discussion. You know, it's kind a lively discussion. You know, it's kind a lively discussion. You know, it's kind of like that, you know, maybe we'll have of like that, you know, maybe we'll have of like that, you know, maybe we'll have a few slides, but it's a big table, long a few slides, but it's a big table, long a few slides, but it's a big table, long dinner, and the whole point of it is dinner, and the whole point of it is dinner, and the whole point of it is really just to kind of kick off really just to kind of kick off really just to kind of kick off conversations conversations conversations um around that. And so that was really um around that. And so that was really um around that. And so that was really fun and interesting.

fun and interesting. fun and interesting. >> Uh and then >> Uh and then >> Uh and then >> it's such a hot topic. It's like we're >> it's such a hot topic. It's like we're >> it's such a hot topic. It's like we're doing a live stream I think April 22nd, doing a live stream I think April 22nd, doing a live stream I think April 22nd, 23rd. on our website like a 23rd. on our website like a 23rd. on our website like a >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> we do these tech live streams on >> we do these tech live streams on >> we do these tech live streams on generative edge AI including aentic and generative edge AI including aentic and generative edge AI including aentic and physical physical physical >> right >> right >> right >> and I think you were on one of them >> and I think you were on one of them >> and I think you were on one of them >> I was that's right yeah >> I was that's right yeah >> I was that's right yeah >> we get thousands of people on those >> we get thousands of people on those >> we get thousands of people on those things thousands of views things thousands of views things thousands of views >> really that's awesome >> really that's awesome >> really that's awesome >> and it's amazing as everyone around the >> and it's amazing as everyone around the >> and it's amazing as everyone around the world students professionals and it's world students professionals and it's world students professionals and it's just a series of tech talks about what just a series of tech talks about what just a series of tech talks about what is happening in this space because is happening in this space because is happening in this space because >> what happened six months ago is old news >> what happened six months ago is old news >> what happened six months ago is old news so you know we were on a call this so you know we were on a call this so you know we were on a call this morning with the working group like yeah morning with the working group like yeah morning with the working group like yeah we're going to do this one in April. we're going to do this one in April. we're going to do this one in April. It's all new, all new talks and all new It's all new, all new talks and all new It's all new, all new talks and all new stuff and authentic thing. Everyone's stuff and authentic thing. Everyone's stuff and authentic thing. Everyone's trying to figure out, trying to figure out, trying to figure out, >> right, >> right, >> right, >> how to how to do it or not do it or >> how to how to do it or not do it or >> how to how to do it or not do it or >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> or the hell with the safety. I don't >> or the hell with the safety. I don't >> or the hell with the safety. I don't know. know. know. >> Hell with the safety. Take off the >> Hell with the safety. Take off the >> Hell with the safety. Take off the safeties. You know, that's funny you say safeties. You know, that's funny you say safeties. You know, that's funny you say that. Um that. Um that. Um cuz during the conversation at the table cuz during the conversation at the table cuz during the conversation at the table about that there was that notion about about that there was that notion about about that there was that notion about safety and if if in fact the most common safety and if if in fact the most common safety and if if in fact the most common words I heard obviously sovereignty was words I heard obviously sovereignty was words I heard obviously sovereignty was a big one uh privacy safety security a big one uh privacy safety security a big one uh privacy safety security governance was huge governance was huge governance was huge >> and so you had a lot of people talking >> and so you had a lot of people talking >> and so you had a lot of people talking about guardrails and I and you know and about guardrails and I and you know and about guardrails and I and you know and they're like what are guardrails? Is they're like what are guardrails? Is they're like what are guardrails? Is that some kind of security thing? And I that some kind of security thing? And I that some kind of security thing? And I go, well, you know, a good example of a go, well, you know, a good example of a go, well, you know, a good example of a guardrail, I go, guardrails around AI is guardrail, I go, guardrails around AI is guardrail, I go, guardrails around AI is actually putting deterministic things actually putting deterministic things actually putting deterministic things around prob probabilistic technology.

around prob probabilistic technology. around prob probabilistic technology. And what I mean by that, like a a And what I mean by that, like a a And what I mean by that, like a a guardrail might be guardrail might be guardrail might be >> like you're driving down the road and >> like you're driving down the road and >> like you're driving down the road and there's a guardrail like if you run into there's a guardrail like if you run into there's a guardrail like if you run into a guardrail governance might be, hey, a guardrail governance might be, hey, a guardrail governance might be, hey, yes, I've allowed OpenClaw to book yes, I've allowed OpenClaw to book yes, I've allowed OpenClaw to book airlines for me, but I put in some airlines for me, but I put in some airlines for me, but I put in some guardrail governance that's guardrail governance that's guardrail governance that's deterministic that says can't do book deterministic that says can't do book deterministic that says can't do book more than more than more than Yeah. Can't Yeah. Yeah. Can't Yeah. Yeah. Can't Yeah. >> Yeah. So it just spend all your money. >> Yeah. So it just spend all your money. >> Yeah. So it just spend all your money. You know, we a lot of talk about open You know, we a lot of talk about open You know, we a lot of talk about open claw um and people are like excited, claw um and people are like excited, claw um and people are like excited, freaked out. And so you had a lot of freaked out. And so you had a lot of freaked out. And so you had a lot of people that were all locked down on people that were all locked down on people that were all locked down on governance and then you had another governance and then you had another governance and then you had another person from a giant hyperscaler cloud go person from a giant hyperscaler cloud go person from a giant hyperscaler cloud go well we actually the opposite of that well we actually the opposite of that well we actually the opposite of that and we want our developers to not have and we want our developers to not have and we want our developers to not have any of that because it inhibits any of that because it inhibits any of that because it inhibits innovation. innovation. innovation. Should you do all this maybe in a really Should you do all this maybe in a really Should you do all this maybe in a really large sandbox? Sure. large sandbox? Sure. large sandbox? Sure. But um their company was like But um their company was like But um their company was like >> depends on the size of your sandbox. >> depends on the size of your sandbox. >> depends on the size of your sandbox. Like you said, Like you said, Like you said, >> yeah, you can you can innovate and >> yeah, you can you can innovate and >> yeah, you can you can innovate and develop and those guardrails could be develop and those guardrails could be develop and those guardrails could be way out there. You could have an eight way out there. You could have an eight way out there. You could have an eight lane highway and be swerving all over lane highway and be swerving all over lane highway and be swerving all over that road. That's fine. Just don't go that road. That's fine. Just don't go that road. That's fine. Just don't go eight lanes over, you know.

eight lanes over, you know. eight lanes over, you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. I think it's, you know, I'm part >> Yeah. I think it's, you know, I'm part >> Yeah. I think it's, you know, I'm part of this World Economic Forum. They of this World Economic Forum. They of this World Economic Forum. They actually have a safety and security actually have a safety and security actually have a safety and security working group that we have working group that we have working group that we have >> and we published some papers on aentic >> and we published some papers on aentic >> and we published some papers on aentic AI guard rails and AI guard rails and AI guard rails and >> wow, >> wow, >> wow, >> just like things to think. Yeah, it's a >> just like things to think. Yeah, it's a >> just like things to think. Yeah, it's a pretty cool group. Um, and I'm sort of pretty cool group. Um, and I'm sort of pretty cool group. Um, and I'm sort of the I'm the edge person. the I'm the edge person. the I'm the edge person. >> You're edgy >> You're edgy >> You're edgy >> one edge person. Um, >> one edge person. Um, >> one edge person. Um, but it's it's serious stuff because but it's it's serious stuff because but it's it's serious stuff because especially when you get into physical AI especially when you get into physical AI especially when you get into physical AI in the physical world, in the physical world, in the physical world, >> you know, being able to have, like you >> you know, being able to have, like you >> you know, being able to have, like you said, deterministic guard rails over um, said, deterministic guard rails over um, said, deterministic guard rails over um, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> What's happening in the real world, you >> What's happening in the real world, you >> What's happening in the real world, you know, know, know, >> this arm is this or it's roll going this >> this arm is this or it's roll going this >> this arm is this or it's roll going this way. I mean, you know, this is like way. I mean, you know, this is like way. I mean, you know, this is like >> serious stuff. So, I we have to get used >> serious stuff. So, I we have to get used >> serious stuff. So, I we have to get used to we have to sort of abolish the myth to we have to sort of abolish the myth to we have to sort of abolish the myth that guard rails equals like um you that guard rails equals like um you that guard rails equals like um you know, tramples innovation. It just know, tramples innovation. It just know, tramples innovation. It just doesn't doesn't doesn't >> Right. That's right. That's a good >> Right. That's right. That's a good >> Right. That's right. That's a good point. point. point. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think every time you bring it up, it's >> I think every time you bring it up, it's >> I think every time you bring it up, it's like, oh, we don't want to, you know, like, oh, we don't want to, you know, like, oh, we don't want to, you know, it's a race against the Chinese. We have it's a race against the Chinese. We have it's a race against the Chinese. We have to like, well, hold, you know, to like, well, hold, you know, to like, well, hold, you know, >> we do have guardrails on our highways >> we do have guardrails on our highways >> we do have guardrails on our highways for a reason. like this people still for a reason. like this people still for a reason. like this people still drive like batshit crazy fast just you drive like batshit crazy fast just you drive like batshit crazy fast just you know know know >> you know we I think we talked about this >> you know we I think we talked about this >> you know we I think we talked about this this notion you know this open claw and this notion you know this open claw and this notion you know this open claw and guardrails around open claw um guardrails around open claw um guardrails around open claw um >> I didn't realize this I knew there was a >> I didn't realize this I knew there was a >> I didn't realize this I knew there was a craze around anyway I get Mac minis are craze around anyway I get Mac minis are craze around anyway I get Mac minis are sold out and backordered for like two sold out and backordered for like two sold out and backordered for like two months and then and then what's the big

months and then and then what's the big months and then and then what's the big Mac studio high performance computer Mac studio high performance computer Mac studio high performance computer they make those are all sold out and they make those are all sold out and they make those are all sold out and it's 100% because of open claw. it's 100% because of open claw. it's 100% because of open claw. >> Yeah, they should give that guy a free >> Yeah, they should give that guy a free >> Yeah, they should give that guy a free uh what is it? Tim Cook gave Trump like uh what is it? Tim Cook gave Trump like uh what is it? Tim Cook gave Trump like that thing in the the White House that that thing in the the White House that that thing in the the White House that like that like a special like that like a special like that like a special >> sovereign >> sovereign >> sovereign thing to that guy. And I was listening, thing to that guy. And I was listening, thing to that guy. And I was listening, so when I was driving back from Austin so when I was driving back from Austin so when I was driving back from Austin to Houston, I was listening to the to Houston, I was listening to the to Houston, I was listening to the Moonshots podcast and those guys were Moonshots podcast and those guys were Moonshots podcast and those guys were actually talking about this whole actually talking about this whole actually talking about this whole shortage of stuff with Apple. Oh, and shortage of stuff with Apple. Oh, and shortage of stuff with Apple. Oh, and and they had uh Ben Horowitz was on as and they had uh Ben Horowitz was on as and they had uh Ben Horowitz was on as the guest and that was just super the guest and that was just super the guest and that was just super interesting. But they were all talking interesting. But they were all talking interesting. But they were all talking about, you know, this is a moment that about, you know, this is a moment that about, you know, this is a moment that Apple should capture. You know, Apple's Apple should capture. You know, Apple's Apple should capture. You know, Apple's been seen as a lagard in this AI and yet been seen as a lagard in this AI and yet been seen as a lagard in this AI and yet all of a sudden everybody wants their all of a sudden everybody wants their all of a sudden everybody wants their gear. Um, gear. Um, gear. Um, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> You know, >> You know, >> You know, >> you know, there's somebody at Redmond >> you know, there's somebody at Redmond >> you know, there's somebody at Redmond saying, "Why isn't this running on the saying, "Why isn't this running on the saying, "Why isn't this running on the PC, you know?"

PC, you know?" PC, you know?" >> We have all these Intel nooks sitting >> We have all these Intel nooks sitting >> We have all these Intel nooks sitting here on the shelf. here on the shelf. here on the shelf. >> Yeah. What do I do with ALL THESE DAMN >> Yeah. What do I do with ALL THESE DAMN >> Yeah. What do I do with ALL THESE DAMN NOOKS? THEY LOOK JUST like a Mac Mini, NOOKS? THEY LOOK JUST like a Mac Mini, NOOKS? THEY LOOK JUST like a Mac Mini, you know, but it's running Windows. you know, but it's running Windows. you know, but it's running Windows. Maybe we don't want that, you know? Um, Maybe we don't want that, you know? Um, Maybe we don't want that, you know? Um, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> Yeah. It's >> Yeah. It's >> Yeah. It's >> works, you know. Gosh, I just love Apple >> works, you know. Gosh, I just love Apple >> works, you know. Gosh, I just love Apple silicon. It's just so awesome. It's just silicon. It's just so awesome. It's just silicon. It's just so awesome. It's just rocks. rocks. rocks. >> Very impressive. It's >> Very impressive. It's >> Very impressive. It's >> It's super impressive. >> It's super impressive. >> It's super impressive. >> I don't I have no need to upgrade, but I >> I don't I have no need to upgrade, but I >> I don't I have no need to upgrade, but I don't know. Maybe I should. don't know. Maybe I should. don't know. Maybe I should. >> Maybe you should feel about it. >> Maybe you should feel about it. >> Maybe you should feel about it. >> Yes. So, another thing. So, at the end >> Yes. So, another thing. So, at the end >> Yes. So, another thing. So, at the end of my drive to Houston, I went out to of my drive to Houston, I went out to of my drive to Houston, I went out to have meetings at HP's headquarters, have meetings at HP's headquarters, have meetings at HP's headquarters, >> which is in North Houston. >> which is in North Houston. >> which is in North Houston. >> Serious. Serious. >> Serious. Serious. >> Serious. Serious. >> I know. And so went into their new >> I know. And so went into their new >> I know. And so went into their new building and stuff like that. And it was building and stuff like that. And it was building and stuff like that. And it was it was cool. It was really nice. Really it was cool. It was really nice. Really it was cool. It was really nice. Really magical, you know. magical, you know. magical, you know. >> Um and so >> Um and so >> Um and so >> that's HPE is that's the enterprise. >> that's HPE is that's the enterprise. >> that's HPE is that's the enterprise. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> HP. >> HP. >> HP. >> And it was interesting cuz one of the >> And it was interesting cuz one of the >> And it was interesting cuz one of the guys that I had lunch with, luckily he guys that I had lunch with, luckily he guys that I had lunch with, luckily he was an old-timer and we so we could was an old-timer and we so we could was an old-timer and we so we could relate. In fact, he's so old-timer he relate. In fact, he's so old-timer he relate. In fact, he's so old-timer he worked for Compact. Um worked for Compact. Um worked for Compact. Um >> there you go.

>> there you go. >> there you go. >> And I said, "What's going on?" because >> And I said, "What's going on?" because >> And I said, "What's going on?" because you know when they did that merger you know when they did that merger you know when they did that merger compact's campus is in northwest Houston compact's campus is in northwest Houston compact's campus is in northwest Houston and HP had moved in there and were using and HP had moved in there and were using and HP had moved in there and were using that and I asked him about I go whatever that and I asked him about I go whatever that and I asked him about I go whatever happened to the compact campus and he's happened to the compact campus and he's happened to the compact campus and he's like and why did you build all this new like and why did you build all this new like and why did you build all this new stuff here and he's like he goes oh it's stuff here and he's like he goes oh it's stuff here and he's like he goes oh it's cuz it flooded twice cuz it flooded twice cuz it flooded twice um and the first time it was a $50 um and the first time it was a $50 um and the first time it was a $50 million hit and then the next time it million hit and then the next time it million hit and then the next time it was a $und00 million hit with a flooding was a $und00 million hit with a flooding was a $und00 million hit with a flooding up to you know and cuz a lot of people up to you know and cuz a lot of people up to you know and cuz a lot of people don't realize this that you think of don't realize this that you think of don't realize this that you think of Asia for massive manufacturing all this Asia for massive manufacturing all this Asia for massive manufacturing all this stuff but in the olden days um compact stuff but in the olden days um compact stuff but in the olden days um compact manufactured 100% of all their servers manufactured 100% of all their servers manufactured 100% of all their servers and PCs and laptops in Houston they had and PCs and laptops in Houston they had and PCs and laptops in Houston they had full-blown factory um just like Dell in full-blown factory um just like Dell in full-blown factory um just like Dell in Austin. Austin. Austin. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah. Actually the the guy uh the guy I >> Yeah. Actually the the guy uh the guy I >> Yeah. Actually the the guy uh the guy I met with at Infinian mentioned that met with at Infinian mentioned that met with at Infinian mentioned that building the Infinian building in Austin building the Infinian building in Austin building the Infinian building in Austin is was originally the AMD like the is was originally the AMD like the is was originally the AMD like the original AMD like fast. It was like a original AMD like fast. It was like a original AMD like fast. It was like a very historic building.

very historic building. very historic building. >> Yeah. So yeah, there's a lot of >> Yeah. So yeah, there's a lot of >> Yeah. So yeah, there's a lot of interesting history there. interesting history there. interesting history there. >> There's some cool history. We talked >> There's some cool history. We talked >> There's some cool history. We talked about it. I was like I go I actually about it. I was like I go I actually about it. I was like I go I actually know Rod Canyon the founder of Compact know Rod Canyon the founder of Compact know Rod Canyon the founder of Compact because I worked with him after he left because I worked with him after he left because I worked with him after he left Compact and uh uh and then actually he Compact and uh uh and then actually he Compact and uh uh and then actually he helped me when we were I was doing a helped me when we were I was doing a helped me when we were I was doing a startup you know and introduced me to startup you know and introduced me to startup you know and introduced me to VCs and stuff like that. Um, and he VCs and stuff like that. Um, and he VCs and stuff like that. Um, and he goes, "Oh, yeah. I went to school with goes, "Oh, yeah. I went to school with goes, "Oh, yeah. I went to school with his son or daughter, whatever, high his son or daughter, whatever, high his son or daughter, whatever, high school or something like that." And so school or something like that." And so school or something like that." And so he knew who he was and everything. And he knew who he was and everything. And he knew who he was and everything. And and so it was interesting just talking and so it was interesting just talking and so it was interesting just talking the old days and you know, we talked the old days and you know, we talked the old days and you know, we talked about all those companies uh what's the about all those companies uh what's the about all those companies uh what's the highway up out of Boston where you had highway up out of Boston where you had highway up out of Boston where you had Deck and all the companies 12. Deck and all the companies 12. Deck and all the companies 12. >> Yeah. And so, you know, and how somehow >> Yeah. And so, you know, and how somehow >> Yeah. And so, you know, and how somehow they ended up getting acquired by they ended up getting acquired by they ended up getting acquired by Compact, you know, it's like how did Compact, you know, it's like how did Compact, you know, it's like how did Deck end up as part Deck end up as part Deck end up as part >> That's right. Digital. Yeah. >> That's right. Digital. Yeah. >> That's right. Digital. Yeah. >> Yeah. And Tandem. Remember Tandem >> Yeah. And Tandem. Remember Tandem >> Yeah. And Tandem. Remember Tandem Computers? Computers? Computers? >> Tandem. Yeah. Yeah. >> Tandem. Yeah. Yeah. >> Tandem. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I I worked, you know, I worked so >> Yeah. I I worked, you know, I worked so >> Yeah. I I worked, you know, I worked so when I graduated at uh from BEu, I went when I graduated at uh from BEu, I went when I graduated at uh from BEu, I went to work for Phoenix and Phoenix to work for Phoenix and Phoenix to work for Phoenix and Phoenix Technologies, the BIOS guys, and they Technologies, the BIOS guys, and they Technologies, the BIOS guys, and they were in Norwood, Massachusetts, around were in Norwood, Massachusetts, around were in Norwood, Massachusetts, around 1928, like south of Boston.

1928, like south of Boston. 1928, like south of Boston. >> Okay. Um, and I remember before I got >> Okay. Um, and I remember before I got >> Okay. Um, and I remember before I got that job, I interviewed a deck. that job, I interviewed a deck. that job, I interviewed a deck. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And uh, and it was classic, you know, >> And uh, and it was classic, you know, >> And uh, and it was classic, you know, pocket protector. I think it was like pocket protector. I think it was like pocket protector. I think it was like firmware for like their for like their firmware for like their for like their firmware for like their for like their storage drives or something like that. storage drives or something like that. storage drives or something like that. It was some godly boring job. And It was some godly boring job. And It was some godly boring job. And >> Deck was the coolest. >> Deck was the coolest. >> Deck was the coolest. >> Deck was cool though. And also one one >> Deck was cool though. And also one one >> Deck was cool though. And also one one summer when I was in BEu, I inter summer when I was in BEu, I inter summer when I was in BEu, I inter interned at uh, Prime Computer. Remember interned at uh, Prime Computer. Remember interned at uh, Prime Computer. Remember Prime? So they were like a couple of Prime? So they were like a couple of Prime? So they were like a couple of years before they went out of business. years before they went out of business. years before they went out of business. Basically, you could tell the things Basically, you could tell the things Basically, you could tell the things were were were >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> passing them by, but it was it was a >> passing them by, but it was it was a >> passing them by, but it was it was a good summer job. And the best thing good summer job. And the best thing good summer job. And the best thing about the job and I wrote basically dug about the job and I wrote basically dug about the job and I wrote basically dug test scripts and stuff for these mini test scripts and stuff for these mini test scripts and stuff for these mini computers. computers. computers. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But the best thing about the job was the >> But the best thing about the job was the >> But the best thing about the job was the room I was working in was incredibly room I was working in was incredibly room I was working in was incredibly airond conditioned. So, summer in airond conditioned. So, summer in airond conditioned. So, summer in Boston, you know, that was the place to Boston, you know, that was the place to Boston, you know, that was the place to be was in the in the computer room be was in the in the computer room be was in the in the computer room because it was like because it was like because it was like >> that's awesome. >> that's awesome. >> that's awesome. >> 60 degrees. Uh but yeah, the back then >> 60 degrees. Uh but yeah, the back then >> 60 degrees. Uh but yeah, the back then 128 that was like a hot hot tech sector. 128 that was like a hot hot tech sector. 128 that was like a hot hot tech sector. I mean, it's still a lot of good tech I mean, it's still a lot of good tech I mean, it's still a lot of good tech there, a lot of biotech, but there, a lot of biotech, but there, a lot of biotech, but >> I know I've said it before, but when I >> I know I've said it before, but when I >> I know I've said it before, but when I read Soul of a New Machine, read Soul of a New Machine, read Soul of a New Machine, >> you know, Pulitzer Prizewinning book >> you know, Pulitzer Prizewinning book >> you know, Pulitzer Prizewinning book about building a computer, a mini about building a computer, a mini about building a computer, a mini computer, it really taught me a lot computer, it really taught me a lot computer, it really taught me a lot about that world up there about that world up there about that world up there >> and those people and what all the magic >> and those people and what all the magic >> and those people and what all the magic that had been created there.

that had been created there. that had been created there. >> Um, and to and to think that a book >> Um, and to and to think that a book >> Um, and to and to think that a book about building a mini computer would end about building a mini computer would end about building a mini computer would end up being getting a Pulitzer Prize is up being getting a Pulitzer Prize is up being getting a Pulitzer Prize is unbelievable. It was a such a great unbelievable. It was a such a great unbelievable. It was a such a great book. What a bird's eye view of just book. What a bird's eye view of just book. What a bird's eye view of just what it took to build it. what it took to build it. what it took to build it. >> I was going to say there's a book here I >> I was going to say there's a book here I >> I was going to say there's a book here I was going to show you. I was Oh, here was going to show you. I was Oh, here was going to show you. I was Oh, here here's >> Occasionally I'll pull books off the >> Occasionally I'll pull books off the shelf. So, this one's called Where the shelf. So, this one's called Where the shelf. So, this one's called Where the Wizards Stay Up Late. Wizards Stay Up Late. Wizards Stay Up Late. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> the Origins of the Internet. >> the Origins of the Internet. >> the Origins of the Internet. >> Cool. >> Cool. >> Cool. >> Really cool book. >> Really cool book. >> Really cool book. >> Um, I've read it a long time ago. And >> Um, I've read it a long time ago. And >> Um, I've read it a long time ago. And when is it when's the And what's cool when is it when's the And what's cool when is it when's the And what's cool about it is it's a it's a bit of a about it is it's a it's a bit of a about it is it's a it's a bit of a history book, but it also teaches you a history book, but it also teaches you a history book, but it also teaches you a lot about kind of the how the internet lot about kind of the how the internet lot about kind of the how the internet sort of works. sort of works. sort of works. >> Yeah. Oh, that's good. >> Yeah. Oh, that's good. >> Yeah. Oh, that's good. >> 1996. >> 1996. >> 1996. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Is it worth reading today? >> Is it worth reading today? >> Is it worth reading today? >> It is. It is because you will understand >> It is. It is because you will understand >> It is. It is because you will understand packets and you what does that mean and packets and you what does that mean and packets and you what does that mean and how does the internet actually work and how does the internet actually work and how does the internet actually work and what was ARPANET and you know sometimes what was ARPANET and you know sometimes what was ARPANET and you know sometimes the understanding like you were we're the understanding like you were we're the understanding like you were we're talking about here the history.

talking about here the history. talking about here the history. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How this stuff came to be gives you kind >> How this stuff came to be gives you kind >> How this stuff came to be gives you kind of a good foundational knowledge so that of a good foundational knowledge so that of a good foundational knowledge so that when people start talking about stuff when people start talking about stuff when people start talking about stuff you're like oh yeah I know how that you're like oh yeah I know how that you're like oh yeah I know how that works. works. works. >> All right I'm on Amazon here >> All right I'm on Amazon here >> All right I'm on Amazon here >> where the wizards stay up late. >> where the wizards stay up late. >> where the wizards stay up late. >> Here's a different cover. Looks like >> Here's a different cover. Looks like >> Here's a different cover. Looks like it's got some maybe the people who it's got some maybe the people who it's got some maybe the people who >> probably Mine's the original. I think >> probably Mine's the original. I think >> probably Mine's the original. I think mine's the first for maybe the first mine's the first for maybe the first mine's the first for maybe the first edition. edition. edition. >> Okay. Yeah, I know. Absolutely. >> Okay. Yeah, I know. Absolutely. >> Okay. Yeah, I know. Absolutely. >> Origins of the internet. Katie Hafner >> Origins of the internet. Katie Hafner >> Origins of the internet. Katie Hafner and Matthew Lion. and Matthew Lion. and Matthew Lion. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> I used to recommend this. Oh, here's a >> I used to recommend this. Oh, here's a >> I used to recommend this. Oh, here's a bookmark in here. I used to recommend bookmark in here. I used to recommend bookmark in here. I used to recommend this to folks on my team's if you want this to folks on my team's if you want this to folks on my team's if you want to learn how like how the internet to learn how like how the internet to learn how like how the internet started and how it works basically. I started and how it works basically. I started and how it works basically. I love that at a bit level. It's It's love that at a bit level. It's It's love that at a bit level. It's It's >> I totally love that >> I totally love that >> I totally love that >> these books are We should start a little >> these books are We should start a little >> these books are We should start a little list of like here's your your history list of like here's your your history list of like here's your your history reading list for reading list for reading list for >> I feel like I feel like sometimes I feel >> I feel like I feel like sometimes I feel >> I feel like I feel like sometimes I feel like we're computer history historians like we're computer history historians like we're computer history historians like a lot of stuff we talk about like a lot of stuff we talk about like a lot of stuff we talk about >> well we've been doing it for so long >> well we've been doing it for so long >> well we've been doing it for so long >> you know a lot of people thought that >> you know a lot of people thought that >> you know a lot of people thought that this is where the internet came from but this is where the internet came from but this is where the internet came from but they would be mistaken they would be mistaken they would be mistaken >> they would be mistaken >> they would be mistaken >> they would be mistaken >> yes but for a lot of people for the >> yes but for a lot of people for the >> yes but for a lot of people for the masses is this is when the internet came masses is this is when the internet came masses is this is when the internet came to them.

to them. to them. >> Start me up. Start me up. >> Start me up. Start me up. >> Start me up. Start me up. >> Start me up. And why was that? It was >> Start me up. And why was that? It was >> Start me up. And why was that? It was because they decided to integrate a TCP because they decided to integrate a TCP because they decided to integrate a TCP IP stack into the OS, which which IP stack into the OS, which which IP stack into the OS, which which doesn't seem like a big deal now, but it doesn't seem like a big deal now, but it doesn't seem like a big deal now, but it was revolutionary. was revolutionary. was revolutionary. >> Yes, that's true. >> Yes, that's true. >> Yes, that's true. >> You know, it's not like everyone was >> You know, it's not like everyone was >> You know, it's not like everyone was running Unix at home back then. running Unix at home back then. running Unix at home back then. >> Very. And so, uh, and I I do remember on >> Very. And so, uh, and I I do remember on >> Very. And so, uh, and I I do remember on Windows, like Windows 3.1 or Windows for Windows, like Windows 3.1 or Windows for Windows, like Windows 3.1 or Windows for workg groupoups, you could there were workg groupoups, you could there were workg groupoups, you could there were third-party TCP IP drivers you could third-party TCP IP drivers you could third-party TCP IP drivers you could buy. buy. buy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, I mean, back then the networking >> Well, I mean, back then the networking >> Well, I mean, back then the networking topology was all over the place, right? topology was all over the place, right? topology was all over the place, right? You had token ring and you had all kinds You had token ring and you had all kinds You had token ring and you had all kinds of weird stuff. of weird stuff. of weird stuff. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You had people running Banan Vines, you >> You had people running Banan Vines, you >> You had people running Banan Vines, you know, for their email. I mean, it was it know, for their email. I mean, it was it know, for their email. I mean, it was it was the wild west, you know. was the wild west, you know. was the wild west, you know. >> Oh, Banyan Vines, more his story. who >> Oh, Banyan Vines, more his story. who >> Oh, Banyan Vines, more his story. who came to Microsoft from Banyan Vines and came to Microsoft from Banyan Vines and came to Microsoft from Banyan Vines and was responsible for the launch. Well, was responsible for the launch. Well, was responsible for the launch. Well, previously an NT, but he was the main previously an NT, but he was the main previously an NT, but he was the main guy for Windows Vista. And then, of guy for Windows Vista. And then, of guy for Windows Vista. And then, of course, the day after Windows Vista course, the day after Windows Vista course, the day after Windows Vista launches, he is unceremoniously launches, he is unceremoniously launches, he is unceremoniously exited.

exited. exited. >> Brian, uh, what was his name? >> Brian, uh, what was his name? >> Brian, uh, what was his name? >> And he plays guitar, blues guitar. Great >> And he plays guitar, blues guitar. Great >> And he plays guitar, blues guitar. Great guy. guy. guy. >> Oh, Jim. Jim Alen. >> Oh, Jim. Jim Alen. >> Oh, Jim. Jim Alen. >> Jim Alin. Yep. >> Jim Alin. Yep. >> Jim Alin. Yep. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Yeah. He's actually quite a good >> Yeah. Yeah. He's actually quite a good >> Yeah. Yeah. He's actually quite a good guitarist too actually Spotify you can guitarist too actually Spotify you can guitarist too actually Spotify you can >> but he was a Banyan Vines guy >> but he was a Banyan Vines guy >> but he was a Banyan Vines guy >> and I met him in the 90s when he you >> and I met him in the 90s when he you >> and I met him in the 90s when he you know doing NT remember and he would know doing NT remember and he would know doing NT remember and he would always wear like a leather jacket. Oh, always wear like a leather jacket. Oh, always wear like a leather jacket. Oh, kind of like Jensen today. kind of like Jensen today. kind of like Jensen today. You like being in an elevator with him You like being in an elevator with him You like being in an elevator with him on campus and he's wearing this cool on campus and he's wearing this cool on campus and he's wearing this cool leather jacket and he looks like he's a leather jacket and he looks like he's a leather jacket and he looks like he's a rocker, you know. rocker, you know. rocker, you know. >> Yeah. And Banyan was a Boston company by >> Yeah. And Banyan was a Boston company by >> Yeah. And Banyan was a Boston company by the way. Um the way. Um the way. Um >> Yeah, that's cool. They were they were a >> Yeah, that's cool. They were they were a >> Yeah, that's cool. They were they were a Boston area tech company banging, Boston area tech company banging, Boston area tech company banging, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And of course, who else came from a >> And of course, who else came from a >> And of course, who else came from a Boston tech company that really Boston tech company that really Boston tech company that really transformed and changed the total transformed and changed the total transformed and changed the total trajectory of Microsoft? trajectory of Microsoft? trajectory of Microsoft? >> Well, I was going to say, oh no, Ray >> Well, I was going to say, oh no, Ray >> Well, I was going to say, oh no, Ray Azy's Midwest. Azy's Midwest. Azy's Midwest. >> Is it before Ray? Before Ray, even >> Is it before Ray? Before Ray, even >> Is it before Ray? Before Ray, even though Ry was talking, though Ry was talking, though Ry was talking, his name is Dave. His last name is his name is Dave. His last name is his name is Dave. His last name is Cutler. Dave Cutler. Yeah, there you go.

Cutler. Dave Cutler. Yeah, there you go. Cutler. Dave Cutler. Yeah, there you go. >> He he was a deck. He created the backs >> He he was a deck. He created the backs >> He he was a deck. He created the backs and whatever, you know, and so a lot of, and whatever, you know, and so a lot of, and whatever, you know, and so a lot of, you know, after the whole kind of you know, after the whole kind of you know, after the whole kind of DOSsbased stuff and you go into and but DOSsbased stuff and you go into and but DOSsbased stuff and you go into and but it was Dave Cutler and a team of guys it was Dave Cutler and a team of guys it was Dave Cutler and a team of guys who got out of deck because I think who got out of deck because I think who got out of deck because I think maybe they probably also started to see maybe they probably also started to see maybe they probably also started to see the writing on the wall at deck when you the writing on the wall at deck when you the writing on the wall at deck when you got into the early got into the early got into the early >> 90s. Well, back then the frontier was >> 90s. Well, back then the frontier was >> 90s. Well, back then the frontier was the desktop. That was the desktop, you the desktop. That was the desktop, you the desktop. That was the desktop, you know. Yes. know. Yes. know. Yes. >> With all this tech, Dave Cutler used to >> With all this tech, Dave Cutler used to >> With all this tech, Dave Cutler used to have a phrase, we do what gets done. have a phrase, we do what gets done. have a phrase, we do what gets done. That was his last phrase. That was his last phrase. That was his last phrase. >> And so Dave Cutler and his team >> And so Dave Cutler and his team >> And so Dave Cutler and his team single-handedly built Windows NT and single-handedly built Windows NT and single-handedly built Windows NT and then he retired and then he got a phone then he retired and then he got a phone then he retired and then he got a phone call saying we need to build this cloud call saying we need to build this cloud call saying we need to build this cloud thing and you need to come back and Dave thing and you need to come back and Dave thing and you need to come back and Dave Cutler came back and he totally designed Cutler came back and he totally designed Cutler came back and he totally designed Azure. Azure. Azure. And so without Deck and the geniuses And so without Deck and the geniuses And so without Deck and the geniuses from Boston, Microsoft would not be what from Boston, Microsoft would not be what from Boston, Microsoft would not be what it is today at all. Not even close.

it is today at all. Not even close. it is today at all. Not even close. >> Boston to the rescue. >> Boston to the rescue. >> Boston to the rescue. >> It was kind of Boston to the rescue. >> It was kind of Boston to the rescue. >> It was kind of Boston to the rescue. Silicon Valley gets all the love, but Silicon Valley gets all the love, but Silicon Valley gets all the love, but the impact the impact the impact >> Well, back then I think Boston was um >> Well, back then I think Boston was um >> Well, back then I think Boston was um there was a lot of software around there was a lot of software around there was a lot of software around Boston. It was also like, you know, Boston. It was also like, you know, Boston. It was also like, you know, Lotus 123 and Lotus 123 and Lotus 123 and >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> innovators in the software space were in >> innovators in the software space were in >> innovators in the software space were in the Boston area. And I think you know the Boston area. And I think you know the Boston area. And I think you know back then Silicon Valley was very much back then Silicon Valley was very much back then Silicon Valley was very much semiconductors. Right. semiconductors. Right. semiconductors. Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. Hence the name >> Right. Hence the name >> Right. Hence the name >> Silicon Valley. >> Silicon Valley. >> Silicon Valley. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. Right. >> That's where it comes from. >> That's where it comes from. >> That's where it comes from. >> Right. Absolutely. That's where it comes >> Right. Absolutely. That's where it comes >> Right. Absolutely. That's where it comes from. It used to be a bunch of orchards from. It used to be a bunch of orchards from. It used to be a bunch of orchards with oranges and stuff and then all of a with oranges and stuff and then all of a with oranges and stuff and then all of a sudden we get Fairchild and Intel and sudden we get Fairchild and Intel and sudden we get Fairchild and Intel and everybody else and Sun Micros everybody else and Sun Micros everybody else and Sun Micros Systemystems. Systemystems. Systemystems. >> We're digging deep here this morning. >> We're digging deep here this morning. >> We're digging deep here this morning. >> We are digging deep and uh silicon >> We are digging deep and uh silicon >> We are digging deep and uh silicon graphics. graphics. graphics. >> Silicon graphics. Silicon Graphics SGI. >> Silicon graphics. Silicon Graphics SGI. >> Silicon graphics. Silicon Graphics SGI. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> Workstations. >> Workstations. >> Workstations. >> We got Silicon Graphics gave us advanced >> We got Silicon Graphics gave us advanced >> We got Silicon Graphics gave us advanced 3D technologies that gave us movies in 3D technologies that gave us movies in 3D technologies that gave us movies in the early 90s like Jurassic Park. the early 90s like Jurassic Park. the early 90s like Jurassic Park. >> Well, even Star Wars, I think, was uh >> Well, even Star Wars, I think, was uh >> Well, even Star Wars, I think, was uh Industrial Light and Magic was running Industrial Light and Magic was running Industrial Light and Magic was running on SGI. I think on SGI. I think on SGI. I think >> Silicon Graphics were just bleeding edge >> Silicon Graphics were just bleeding edge >> Silicon Graphics were just bleeding edge awesome technology back then. Yeah. And awesome technology back then. Yeah. And awesome technology back then. Yeah. And it was funny because it was funny because it was funny because they're somewhat similar to Sun and Sun, they're somewhat similar to Sun and Sun, they're somewhat similar to Sun and Sun, you think of a Sun Micros Systemystems you think of a Sun Micros Systemystems you think of a Sun Micros Systemystems workstation in the '90s and an SGI workstation in the '90s and an SGI workstation in the '90s and an SGI workstation, you know, their their workstation, you know, their their workstation, you know, their their versions of Unix and stuff like that.

versions of Unix and stuff like that. versions of Unix and stuff like that. But Silicon Graphics had something that But Silicon Graphics had something that But Silicon Graphics had something that Sun just didn't have. They had insane Sun just didn't have. They had insane Sun just didn't have. They had insane graphics and I think they created the graphics and I think they created the graphics and I think they created the whole OpenGL and all the, you know, all whole OpenGL and all the, you know, all whole OpenGL and all the, you know, all that great stuff. that great stuff. that great stuff. >> Yeah, I think OpenGL came out of >> Yeah, I think OpenGL came out of >> Yeah, I think OpenGL came out of Celindra. Someone can name check me on Celindra. Someone can name check me on Celindra. Someone can name check me on that one, but yes, I think so. I think that one, but yes, I think so. I think that one, but yes, I think so. I think so. so. so. >> And then the guy who started Silicon >> And then the guy who started Silicon >> And then the guy who started Silicon Graphics and then he after a while, I Graphics and then he after a while, I Graphics and then he after a while, I don't know if he was unceremoniously don't know if he was unceremoniously don't know if he was unceremoniously exited, even though he obviously he exited, even though he obviously he exited, even though he obviously he walked away with a lot of money. And walked away with a lot of money. And walked away with a lot of money. And then he was sitting around in Silicon then he was sitting around in Silicon then he was sitting around in Silicon Valley going, "What do I do next?" Oh, Valley going, "What do I do next?" Oh, Valley going, "What do I do next?" Oh, hey, there's this kid from Illinois hey, there's this kid from Illinois hey, there's this kid from Illinois who built this web browser thing called who built this web browser thing called who built this web browser thing called Mosaic. Mosaic. Mosaic. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to fly him out >> Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to fly him out >> Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to fly him out here. Um, what was his name? Jim here. Um, what was his name? Jim here. Um, what was his name? Jim >> Oh, Jim Barksdale. >> Oh, Jim Barksdale. >> Oh, Jim Barksdale. >> Well, Jim Barksdale was hired later by >> Well, Jim Barksdale was hired later by >> Well, Jim Barksdale was hired later by them. them. them. >> Oh, right, right, right. >> Oh, right, right, right. >> Oh, right, right, right. >> Cuz Barkstdale was a executive. He was >> Cuz Barkstdale was a executive. He was >> Cuz Barkstdale was a executive. He was like a CEO of AT&T back in the day. Uh, like a CEO of AT&T back in the day. Uh, like a CEO of AT&T back in the day. Uh, Jim, I forgot his last name. There's a Jim, I forgot his last name. There's a Jim, I forgot his last name. There's a great book. I don't have it to hold up great book. I don't have it to hold up great book. I don't have it to hold up like you did, but there's a book called like you did, but there's a book called like you did, but there's a book called Netscape Time.

Netscape Time. Netscape Time. um that was written by Jim and he you um that was written by Jim and he you um that was written by Jim and he you know and we remember how we started know and we remember how we started know and we remember how we started talking about internet time and just talking about internet time and just talking about internet time and just things were just going fast. things were just going fast. things were just going fast. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Great great book telling you the history >> Great great book telling you the history >> Great great book telling you the history of him coming out of Silicon Graphics of him coming out of Silicon Graphics of him coming out of Silicon Graphics and then having Andre come out there. and then having Andre come out there. and then having Andre come out there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And them deciding >> And them deciding >> And them deciding >> back in like 9293 >> back in like 9293 >> back in like 9293 like things were really going nuts with like things were really going nuts with like things were really going nuts with people were trying to figure out people were trying to figure out people were trying to figure out >> the internet was moving from you know >> the internet was moving from you know >> the internet was moving from you know FTP and things like that. FTP and things like that. FTP and things like that. >> Yeah. to the web, you know, and that was >> Yeah. to the web, you know, and that was >> Yeah. to the web, you know, and that was really the birth of the web. really the birth of the web. really the birth of the web. >> And so you imagine with this guy that >> And so you imagine with this guy that >> And so you imagine with this guy that the biggest thing he ever did was the biggest thing he ever did was the biggest thing he ever did was Silicon Graphics and then they go on to Silicon Graphics and then they go on to Silicon Graphics and then they go on to build start Netscape. build start Netscape. build start Netscape. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And change the world. >> And change the world. >> And change the world. >> Change the world. Yeah. >> Change the world. Yeah. >> Change the world. Yeah. >> And Netscape had a little booth out on >> And Netscape had a little booth out on >> And Netscape had a little booth out on the lawn at Microsoft for the Windows 95 the lawn at Microsoft for the Windows 95 the lawn at Microsoft for the Windows 95 launch, launch, launch, >> which was a big deal. That was like the >> which was a big deal. That was like the >> which was a big deal. That was like the biggest moment maybe in Microsoft biggest moment maybe in Microsoft biggest moment maybe in Microsoft history. A public cool moment. And then history. A public cool moment. And then history. A public cool moment. And then there were other vendors, partners.

there were other vendors, partners. there were other vendors, partners. >> Yes. The partner booths. >> Yes. The partner booths. >> Yes. The partner booths. >> A little tiny. They probably had a card >> A little tiny. They probably had a card >> A little tiny. They probably had a card table or something. Hey, we're this table or something. Hey, we're this table or something. Hey, we're this company called Netscape. We might go company called Netscape. We might go company called Netscape. We might go public shortly and be the biggest IPO of public shortly and be the biggest IPO of public shortly and be the biggest IPO of all time and a whole bunch of other all time and a whole bunch of other all time and a whole bunch of other stuff. But we'll see. stuff. But we'll see. stuff. But we'll see. >> We had back Yeah. back for Windows 95 >> We had back Yeah. back for Windows 95 >> We had back Yeah. back for Windows 95 with So I was working at Phoenix on the with So I was working at Phoenix on the with So I was working at Phoenix on the BIOS stuff and our big thing there was BIOS stuff and our big thing there was BIOS stuff and our big thing there was plugandplay. So plugandplay. So plugandplay. So >> yeah, huge. >> yeah, huge. >> yeah, huge. >> That was, you know, huge. And so we I we >> That was, you know, huge. And so we I we >> That was, you know, huge. And so we I we had invested a lot to support this new had invested a lot to support this new had invested a lot to support this new plug-and-play architecture from from plug-and-play architecture from from plug-and-play architecture from from Windows. Windows. Windows. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Back then before plugandplay, people >> Back then before plugandplay, people >> Back then before plugandplay, people don't realize you plug it in and nothing don't realize you plug it in and nothing don't realize you plug it in and nothing worked. So plug and pray is more worked. So plug and pray is more worked. So plug and pray is more >> plug and pray. IRQ DMA. >> plug and pray. IRQ DMA. >> plug and pray. IRQ DMA. >> Yeah. It was it was >> Yeah. It was it was >> Yeah. It was it was >> jumpers on the motherboard, >> jumpers on the motherboard, >> jumpers on the motherboard, >> jumpers and switches and drivers and I >> jumpers and switches and drivers and I >> jumpers and switches and drivers and I nothing worked. I was like, what if you nothing worked. I was like, what if you nothing worked. I was like, what if you plugged it in and it actually worked? plugged it in and it actually worked? plugged it in and it actually worked? That was the concept. So, That was the concept. So, That was the concept. So, >> it was amazing. It was amazing. And you >> it was amazing. It was amazing. And you >> it was amazing. It was amazing. And you know, I know a lot of people tried to know, I know a lot of people tried to know, I know a lot of people tried to make fun, a lot of non-Microsoft people make fun, a lot of non-Microsoft people make fun, a lot of non-Microsoft people at the time were like, "Oh, they'd say at the time were like, "Oh, they'd say at the time were like, "Oh, they'd say plug and pray or this is this is crap." plug and pray or this is this is crap." plug and pray or this is this is crap." It was like, "No, actually, it changed It was like, "No, actually, it changed It was like, "No, actually, it changed the world all of a sudden." And I think the world all of a sudden." And I think the world all of a sudden." And I think Microsoft just went into the Microsoft just went into the Microsoft just went into the stratosphere with Windows 95, stratosphere with Windows 95, stratosphere with Windows 95, >> you know?

>> you know? >> you know? >> Totally. Well, they they put the >> Totally. Well, they they put the >> Totally. Well, they they put the framework in place talking about framework in place talking about framework in place talking about guardrails, right? They're like, "You guardrails, right? They're like, "You guardrails, right? They're like, "You thou shalt make your drivers look like thou shalt make your drivers look like thou shalt make your drivers look like this. you shall, you know, they have a this. you shall, you know, they have a this. you shall, you know, they have a lot of rules and force the ecosystem to lot of rules and force the ecosystem to lot of rules and force the ecosystem to go from the wild west of randomness to go from the wild west of randomness to go from the wild west of randomness to like you need to fit into these guard like you need to fit into these guard like you need to fit into these guard rails so that when people plug the rails so that when people plug the rails so that when people plug the in it actually works. in it actually works. in it actually works. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> That's got that was what drove the >> That's got that was what drove the >> That's got that was what drove the adoption frankly. People had faith that adoption frankly. People had faith that adoption frankly. People had faith that these mice and keyboards and printers these mice and keyboards and printers these mice and keyboards and printers and all this other stuff, and all this other stuff, and all this other stuff, >> right, >> right, >> right, >> would actually well not 99% of the time >> would actually well not 99% of the time >> would actually well not 99% of the time it worked. 90% of the time. it worked. 90% of the time. it worked. 90% of the time. >> Yeah. So there's there's back to the >> Yeah. So there's there's back to the >> Yeah. So there's there's back to the quote you did about, you know, the quote you did about, you know, the quote you did about, you know, the serious people who, you know, build serious people who, you know, build serious people who, you know, build their own hardware and the software and their own hardware and the software and their own hardware and the software and it's all one deal, which is what we it's all one deal, which is what we it's all one deal, which is what we think of as the Macintosh. Um, but at think of as the Macintosh. Um, but at think of as the Macintosh. Um, but at that time, Mac was languishing. I that time, Mac was languishing. I that time, Mac was languishing. I remember Mac people when Windows 95 came remember Mac people when Windows 95 came remember Mac people when Windows 95 came out and they go, "Oh, wow, finally a out and they go, "Oh, wow, finally a out and they go, "Oh, wow, finally a version of Windows that I could use." version of Windows that I could use." version of Windows that I could use." That's cool. That's That's cool. That's That's cool. That's >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> You know, >> You know, >> You know, >> Yeah. Because then the Macintosh came >> Yeah. Because then the Macintosh came >> Yeah. Because then the Macintosh came out in like the 80s. Now we're going way out in like the 80s. Now we're going way out in like the 80s. Now we're going way back. Um, back. Um, back. Um, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> was it 8 1984 85 I think. So, Windows >> was it 8 1984 85 I think. So, Windows >> was it 8 1984 85 I think. So, Windows 95. I mean, it took a while for 95. I mean, it took a while for 95. I mean, it took a while for Microsoft to sort of get the memo, Microsoft to sort of get the memo, Microsoft to sort of get the memo, >> right?

>> right? >> right? >> But you see those interviews with Steve >> But you see those interviews with Steve >> But you see those interviews with Steve Jobs cuz he's over at Next and you know, Jobs cuz he's over at Next and you know, Jobs cuz he's over at Next and you know, and he was bashing Apple at the time and and he was bashing Apple at the time and and he was bashing Apple at the time and and he's just like, you know, what do and he's just like, you know, what do and he's just like, you know, what do you expect to happen? Microsoft got this you expect to happen? Microsoft got this you expect to happen? Microsoft got this they got all this block of time when I they got all this block of time when I they got all this block of time when I was not at Apple and Apple wasn't doing was not at Apple and Apple wasn't doing was not at Apple and Apple wasn't doing you know, and the Mac didn't you know, and the Mac didn't you know, and the Mac didn't progress and it the hardware was crap progress and it the hardware was crap progress and it the hardware was crap and it just languished. And so he's and it just languished. And so he's and it just languished. And so he's like, "So even a loser like Bill Gates like, "So even a loser like Bill Gates like, "So even a loser like Bill Gates could catch up to us, you know, but I'll could catch up to us, you know, but I'll could catch up to us, you know, but I'll be back." be back." be back." >> That's right. That's right. Well, it's >> That's right. That's right. Well, it's >> That's right. That's right. Well, it's never too late to innovate, you know. So never too late to innovate, you know. So never too late to innovate, you know. So >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> You're That's right. >> You're That's right. >> You're That's right. >> You're in currently in third place. >> You're in currently in third place. >> You're in currently in third place. >> There's nothing stopping you from >> There's nothing stopping you from >> There's nothing stopping you from getting to first place, you know. Um getting to first place, you know. Um getting to first place, you know. Um >> Absolutely. T-Mobile >> Absolutely. T-Mobile >> Absolutely. T-Mobile >> kind of goes goes back to our >> kind of goes goes back to our >> kind of goes goes back to our talk about Texas Instruments, analog talk about Texas Instruments, analog talk about Texas Instruments, analog devices, you know, companies that have devices, you know, companies that have devices, you know, companies that have been, you know, been around for a long been, you know, been around for a long been, you know, been around for a long time. You know, there's they have lots time. You know, there's they have lots time. You know, there's they have lots of talent to innovate and uh especially of talent to innovate and uh especially of talent to innovate and uh especially in the AI space and edge space. So, in the AI space and edge space. So, in the AI space and edge space. So, >> absolutely.

>> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> So, there's plenty of room for that. So, >> So, there's plenty of room for that. So, >> So, there's plenty of room for that. So, maybe that's that's the that's how we maybe that's that's the that's how we maybe that's that's the that's how we sort of sort of sort of >> I think we just covered a lot of good >> I think we just covered a lot of good >> I think we just covered a lot of good stuff here. We went full circle. We did stuff here. We went full circle. We did stuff here. We went full circle. We did the circle of life the circle of life the circle of life >> computers, by the way. Nice haircut. >> computers, by the way. Nice haircut. >> computers, by the way. Nice haircut. I'll have to give you I'll have to give you I'll have to give you >> Thank you. Appreciate it. It was just >> Thank you. Appreciate it. It was just >> Thank you. Appreciate it. It was just kind of kind of kind of >> kind of going crazy as soon as I got >> kind of going crazy as soon as I got >> kind of going crazy as soon as I got >> glasses, by the way. So, >> glasses, by the way. So, >> glasses, by the way. So, >> oh, >> oh, >> oh, >> you know, this is the Oscar Goldman >> you know, this is the Oscar Goldman >> you know, this is the Oscar Goldman look. look. look. >> Oscar Goldman. >> Oscar Goldman. >> Oscar Goldman. >> I love it. I love it. >> I love it. I love it. >> I love it. I love it. >> You would get that reference. Yeah. >> You would get that reference. Yeah. >> You would get that reference. Yeah. People can look it up. Look it up at People can look it up. Look it up at People can look it up. Look it up at home. home. home. >> Look it up, people. You're going to have >> Look it up, people. You're going to have >> Look it up, people. You're going to have to look it up. to look it up. to look it up. >> Oscar was he was the brains of the >> Oscar was he was the brains of the >> Oscar was he was the brains of the operation, you know. operation, you know. operation, you know. >> There you go. Absolutely. >> There you go. Absolutely. >> There you go. Absolutely. I don't know why these glasses are I don't know why these glasses are I don't know why these glasses are making me think of the Porsche Carrera making me think of the Porsche Carrera making me think of the Porsche Carrera glasses sunglasses. glasses sunglasses. glasses sunglasses. >> Well, they are aviator style. So, they >> Well, they are aviator style. So, they >> Well, they are aviator style. So, they are they are they're a little bit a are they are they're a little bit a are they are they're a little bit a little bit retro. little bit retro. little bit retro. >> A little bit retro, but we like a little >> A little bit retro, but we like a little >> A little bit retro, but we like a little we're we're kind of retro people we're we're kind of retro people we're we're kind of retro people ourselves. ourselves. ourselves. >> Retro, >> Retro, >> Retro, >> you know, >> you know, >> you know, >> retro goes a long way. Yeah. >> retro goes a long way. Yeah. >> retro goes a long way. Yeah. >> Oh my gosh. Well, since we are on the >> Oh my gosh. Well, since we are on the >> Oh my gosh. Well, since we are on the Elchipo version of Zoom here today, Elchipo version of Zoom here today, Elchipo version of Zoom here today, folks, folks, folks, >> it's probably time to wrap it up before >> it's probably time to wrap it up before >> it's probably time to wrap it up before it gets instantly it gets instantly it gets instantly >> where all of a sudden it's like >> where all of a sudden it's like >> where all of a sudden it's like >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> Good. Well, it's been nice chatting with >> Good. Well, it's been nice chatting with >> Good. Well, it's been nice chatting with you. I mean, you know, it's a it's a you. I mean, you know, it's a it's a you. I mean, you know, it's a it's a cozy chat and cozy chat and cozy chat and >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> Uh I'm sure Leonard will be back next >> Uh I'm sure Leonard will be back next >> Uh I'm sure Leonard will be back next week with his, you know, earbending week with his, you know, earbending week with his, you know, earbending guitar solos and stuff. So, guitar solos and stuff. So, guitar solos and stuff. So, >> it wouldn't surprise me if there was >> it wouldn't surprise me if there was >> it wouldn't surprise me if there was some kind of live broadcast or a some kind of live broadcast or a some kind of live broadcast or a recording of Coffee Talk from Barcelona. recording of Coffee Talk from Barcelona. recording of Coffee Talk from Barcelona. >> That would not shock me. >> That would not shock me. >> That would not shock me. >> He'll bring all his gear there. >> He'll bring all his gear there. >> He'll bring all his gear there. >> If only there was someone there who had >> If only there was someone there who had >> If only there was someone there who had a portable movie studio with him at all a portable movie studio with him at all a portable movie studio with him at all times to make that happen, you know. times to make that happen, you know. times to make that happen, you know. >> Never know. We will do some live >> Never know. We will do some live >> Never know. We will do some live streams, by the way, from Nuremberg at streams, by the way, from Nuremberg at streams, by the way, from Nuremberg at uh for Embedded World. So, uh for Embedded World. So, uh for Embedded World. So, >> awesome. folks can come to the uh Edji >> awesome. folks can come to the uh Edji >> awesome. folks can come to the uh Edji channel on YouTube and uh I think four channel on YouTube and uh I think four channel on YouTube and uh I think four o'clock every day we're going to do a o'clock every day we're going to do a o'clock every day we're going to do a live stream. live stream. live stream. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> Um we'll have you know anyone and >> Um we'll have you know anyone and >> Um we'll have you know anyone and everyone that is going to be going to be everyone that is going to be going to be everyone that is going to be going to be already signed up to to be part of the already signed up to to be part of the already signed up to to be part of the live stream so people can check that live stream so people can check that live stream so people can check that out. out. out. >> All right guys, it's good seeing you. >> All right guys, it's good seeing you. >> All right guys, it's good seeing you. >> Yes, >> Yes, >> Yes, >> less than one minute. They don't give me >> less than one minute. They don't give me >> less than one minute. They don't give me the countdown with seconds so it could the countdown with seconds so it could the countdown with seconds so it could just happen at any moment now.

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