IoT Coffee Talk: Webcast Episode 257 - Autonomous Trust (Making intelligent automation trustworthy)

Yes. Rock and roll. Yes. Rock and roll. Nice. Leonard has You're You're way more Nice. Leonard has You're You're way more Nice. Leonard has You're You're way more comfortable in that second part which is comfortable in that second part which is comfortable in that second part which is more intense. It's like the smooth one. more intense. It's like the smooth one. more intense. It's like the smooth one. You can't, right? When it's trashy, you You can't, right? When it's trashy, you You can't, right? When it's trashy, you can. No problem. When it's like smooth can. No problem. When it's like smooth can. No problem. When it's like smooth and gentle, it's harder, right? and gentle, it's harder, right? and gentle, it's harder, right? Hey, you know what? It always is. It Hey, you know what? It always is. It Hey, you know what? It always is. It always is. Uh people don't might not always is. Uh people don't might not always is. Uh people don't might not realize that. It's just the thrashing realize that. It's just the thrashing realize that. It's just the thrashing part is actually much easier. And you part is actually much easier. And you part is actually much easier. And you know, you turn up the gain and the know, you turn up the gain and the know, you turn up the gain and the distortion and it covers up all your distortion and it covers up all your distortion and it covers up all your mistakes. It's um Exactly. People think mistakes. It's um Exactly. People think mistakes. It's um Exactly. People think you're a genius because you're inventing you're a genius because you're inventing you're a genius because you're inventing new notes, right? new notes, right? new notes, right? Yeah. That that is, you know, that Yeah. That that is, you know, that Yeah. That that is, you know, that that's pretty good. That's pretty good. that's pretty good. That's pretty good. that's pretty good. That's pretty good. So, um, hey, welcome everyone to IoT So, um, hey, welcome everyone to IoT So, um, hey, welcome everyone to IoT Coffee Talk. Uh, remember we're here Coffee Talk. Uh, remember we're here Coffee Talk. Uh, remember we're here just to have fun. If you take us just to have fun. If you take us just to have fun. If you take us seriously, um, that's a big problem, but seriously, um, that's a big problem, but seriously, um, that's a big problem, but that's your problem. And so, you know, that's your problem. And so, you know, that's your problem. And so, you know, just enjoy and have fun. Hopefully, this just enjoy and have fun. Hopefully, this just enjoy and have fun. Hopefully, this will be informative. We're going to rant will be informative. We're going to rant will be informative. We're going to rant on and on. It's a weird format, but uh, on and on. It's a weird format, but uh, on and on. It's a weird format, but uh, quite honestly, I think we mostly do quite honestly, I think we mostly do quite honestly, I think we mostly do this for our own edification and, uh, this for our own edification and, uh, this for our own edification and, uh, documentation thoughts, our thread of documentation thoughts, our thread of documentation thoughts, our thread of thought. This is like kind of like our thought. This is like kind of like our thought. This is like kind of like our you talk about digital thread. This is you talk about digital thread. This is you talk about digital thread. This is like our thread which is kind of like a like our thread which is kind of like a like our thread which is kind of like a combination of chain of thought and combination of chain of thought and combination of chain of thought and digital thread. This is like a human digital thread. This is like a human digital thread. This is like a human thing. So that's what we're doing. Okay.

thing. So that's what we're doing. Okay. thing. So that's what we're doing. Okay. Right. I call it a a diary. It's my Right. I call it a a diary. It's my Right. I call it a a diary. It's my diary. It's my weekly diary. Yeah. Yeah. diary. It's my weekly diary. Yeah. Yeah. diary. It's my weekly diary. Yeah. Yeah. So we have Olivier and Debbie. How's it So we have Olivier and Debbie. How's it So we have Olivier and Debbie. How's it going guys? Good. How about you? Good. going guys? Good. How about you? Good. going guys? Good. How about you? Good. Good. Good. Good. Yeah, it's just um it's I mean it's just Yeah, it's just um it's I mean it's just Yeah, it's just um it's I mean it's just insanity on top of insanity. So, let me insanity on top of insanity. So, let me insanity on top of insanity. So, let me explain myself. That was Sunday. Sunday explain myself. That was Sunday. Sunday explain myself. That was Sunday. Sunday Bloody Sunday by you two. You know that Bloody Sunday by you two. You know that Bloody Sunday by you two. You know that tune, right? And um guess why I played tune, right? And um guess why I played tune, right? And um guess why I played that tune? that tune? that tune? Because it's Sunday. No, Because it's Sunday. No, Because it's Sunday. No, I don't know. So, I asked Well, you I don't know. So, I asked Well, you I don't know. So, I asked Well, you know, we know every there's Good Friday know, we know every there's Good Friday know, we know every there's Good Friday today, right? And everyone knows that today, right? And everyone knows that today, right? And everyone knows that hopefully that uh Sunday is Easter. So I hopefully that uh Sunday is Easter. So I hopefully that uh Sunday is Easter. So I asked uh Google, could you asked uh Google, could you asked uh Google, could you recommend a good Easter rock recommend a good Easter rock recommend a good Easter rock song? And it very oddly at its top at song? And it very oddly at its top at song? And it very oddly at its top at the top of its list listed Sunday Bloody the top of its list listed Sunday Bloody the top of its list listed Sunday Bloody Sunday Sunday Sunday uh by YouTube. So I am just going I'm uh by YouTube. So I am just going I'm uh by YouTube. So I am just going I'm not trying to be morbid or weird here. I not trying to be morbid or weird here. I not trying to be morbid or weird here. I I'm just, you know, going going with the I'm just, you know, going going with the I'm just, you know, going going with the flow of the of AI flow, right? What AI flow of the of AI flow, right? What AI flow of the of AI flow, right? What AI thinks is a good thing. Recommendation.

thinks is a good thing. Recommendation. thinks is a good thing. Recommendation. Yes. And you take it as you will. You Yes. And you take it as you will. You Yes. And you take it as you will. You know, if you think it's goofy as hell, know, if you think it's goofy as hell, know, if you think it's goofy as hell, um, which I think is goofy as hell, you um, which I think is goofy as hell, you um, which I think is goofy as hell, you know, take it take it like it. But hey, know, take it take it like it. But hey, know, take it take it like it. But hey, there's AI for you. And, um, we're using there's AI for you. And, um, we're using there's AI for you. And, um, we're using it here on IoT Coffee Talk because you it here on IoT Coffee Talk because you it here on IoT Coffee Talk because you know what? We're not lites. Um, we we know what? We're not lites. Um, we we know what? We're not lites. Um, we we embrace technology, right? Right, guys? embrace technology, right? Right, guys? embrace technology, right? Right, guys? We do. We do. We do. And look where I am. Oh my god. Getting And look where I am. Oh my god. Getting And look where I am. Oh my god. Getting my uh my full electric car serviced. my uh my full electric car serviced. my uh my full electric car serviced. First service in uh since I have it in First service in uh since I have it in First service in uh since I have it in last year and it had like 15,000 miles. last year and it had like 15,000 miles. last year and it had like 15,000 miles. So Oh, well that's not bad. That's not So Oh, well that's not bad. That's not So Oh, well that's not bad. That's not bad. That's good. Yeah, there's no no bad. That's good. Yeah, there's no no bad. That's good. Yeah, there's no no oil change. It's just tire rotation. The oil change. It's just tire rotation. The oil change. It's just tire rotation. The problem though is that I'm here for the problem though is that I'm here for the problem though is that I'm here for the next two hours because there's two next two hours because there's two next two hours because there's two firmware updates for the ICCU and firmware updates for the ICCU and firmware updates for the ICCU and another thing and and these firmware another thing and and these firmware another thing and and these firmware updates take one hour each. It's like updates take one hour each. It's like updates take one hour each. It's like what? Yeah. Wow. Wow. Well, you know, what? Yeah. Wow. Wow. Well, you know, what? Yeah. Wow. Wow. Well, you know, yeah, we were talking about earlier um yeah, we were talking about earlier um yeah, we were talking about earlier um Tesla they have the over the air and Tesla they have the over the air and Tesla they have the over the air and those take a good 20 30 minutes in most those take a good 20 30 minutes in most those take a good 20 30 minutes in most of the time. So I So here's the thing, of the time. So I So here's the thing, of the time. So I So here's the thing, Leonard. I haven't. So Tesla claims that Leonard. I haven't. So Tesla claims that Leonard. I haven't. So Tesla claims that it's everything that they can update it's everything that they can update it's everything that they can update over the year. I am I I doubt it. I over the year. I am I I doubt it. I over the year. I am I I doubt it. I don't know why. I mean, for having done don't know why. I mean, for having done don't know why. I mean, for having done automotive and and ICCU coding and automotive and and ICCU coding and automotive and and ICCU coding and things like that, I wouldn't rely on things like that, I wouldn't rely on things like that, I wouldn't rely on something that is updated over the year

something that is updated over the year something that is updated over the year that is not done manually when the car that is not done manually when the car that is not done manually when the car is stopped by someone who's hooked up is stopped by someone who's hooked up is stopped by someone who's hooked up with a wire to the car. Now I might be with a wire to the car. Now I might be with a wire to the car. Now I might be oldfashioned but I have a doubt Tesla is oldfashioned but I have a doubt Tesla is oldfashioned but I have a doubt Tesla is really doing all like typically the EV6 really doing all like typically the EV6 really doing all like typically the EV6 I have from Kia does all the I have from Kia does all the I have from Kia does all the entertainment software over the year entertainment software over the year entertainment software over the year right so updates over the year so that's right so updates over the year so that's right so updates over the year so that's like all the things that the user sees like all the things that the user sees like all the things that the user sees are done over the year now things as are done over the year now things as are done over the year now things as critical as with control breaking do you critical as with control breaking do you critical as with control breaking do you want that to be done over the year I want that to be done over the year I want that to be done over the year I don't know yeah um I you know that's a don't know yeah um I you know that's a don't know yeah um I you know that's a most of most of most of the most of the update updates that we the most of the update updates that we the most of the update updates that we get are I think um cockpit updates, get are I think um cockpit updates, get are I think um cockpit updates, infotainment cockpit, you know, updates. infotainment cockpit, you know, updates. infotainment cockpit, you know, updates. So, yeah, you're right. It's not So, yeah, you're right. It's not So, yeah, you're right. It's not actually the ADAS or the the control actually the ADAS or the the control actually the ADAS or the the control systems of the car as far as I can tell. systems of the car as far as I can tell. systems of the car as far as I can tell. Um and you're bringing up a really good Um and you're bringing up a really good Um and you're bringing up a really good point because um the frequency of point because um the frequency of point because um the frequency of updates that we get is quite updates that we get is quite updates that we get is quite astonishing. Actually, it's really astonishing. Actually, it's really astonishing. Actually, it's really annoying because you get used to um a annoying because you get used to um a annoying because you get used to um a vehicle's UI and they're constantly vehicle's UI and they're constantly vehicle's UI and they're constantly changing it, which is kind of upsetting changing it, which is kind of upsetting changing it, which is kind of upsetting because you're used to stuff. You're because you're used to stuff. You're because you're used to stuff. You're driving and you want things to be where driving and you want things to be where driving and you want things to be where you remember them to be or where you've you remember them to be or where you've you remember them to be or where you've conditioned yourselves to navigate conditioned yourselves to navigate conditioned yourselves to navigate toward, right? And when that constant toward, right? And when that constant toward, right? And when that constant changes, it it's actually an annoyance.

changes, it it's actually an annoyance. changes, it it's actually an annoyance. Uh, I don't I don't really subscribe to Uh, I don't I don't really subscribe to Uh, I don't I don't really subscribe to this whole notion that the car is an this whole notion that the car is an this whole notion that the car is an iPhone. It It's a freaking car, you iPhone. It It's a freaking car, you iPhone. It It's a freaking car, you know, and we True. It's like IoT, man. I know, and we True. It's like IoT, man. I know, and we True. It's like IoT, man. I don't think we want things changing all don't think we want things changing all don't think we want things changing all the time. Yeah. And the thing is the the the time. Yeah. And the thing is the the the time. Yeah. And the thing is the the big difference is that when you interact big difference is that when you interact big difference is that when you interact with your phone, it's it's something you with your phone, it's it's something you with your phone, it's it's something you do intentionally for the app on the do intentionally for the app on the do intentionally for the app on the phone. when you interact with your car, phone. when you interact with your car, phone. when you interact with your car, it you have to do it as you were saying it you have to do it as you were saying it you have to do it as you were saying intuitively because you're focused on intuitively because you're focused on intuitively because you're focused on the driving, not on the car. Now, I the driving, not on the car. Now, I the driving, not on the car. Now, I think on the Teslas, the the notion that think on the Teslas, the the notion that think on the Teslas, the the notion that you're interacting with the car is is you're interacting with the car is is you're interacting with the car is is more true because of the self-driving, more true because of the self-driving, more true because of the self-driving, but still, I mean, you still are but still, I mean, you still are but still, I mean, you still are supposed to focus on the freaking road supposed to focus on the freaking road supposed to focus on the freaking road there, not on changing UI, whatever. there, not on changing UI, whatever. there, not on changing UI, whatever. Changed UI on your on your machine, Changed UI on your on your machine, Changed UI on your on your machine, right? You know what's up. Well, that's right? You know what's up. Well, that's right? You know what's up. Well, that's a good point because um a good point because um a good point because um uh the the uh the the uh the the um the number one FSD I don't think a um the number one FSD I don't think a um the number one FSD I don't think a lot of people use it. They're trying to lot of people use it. They're trying to lot of people use it. They're trying to get they're trying to hand it out and get they're trying to hand it out and get they're trying to hand it out and give it for free or like fentinel, you give it for free or like fentinel, you give it for free or like fentinel, you know, it's like crazy. Yeah. Oh. Uh I know, it's like crazy. Yeah. Oh. Uh I know, it's like crazy. Yeah. Oh. Uh I don't think people re I mean in our even don't think people re I mean in our even don't think people re I mean in our even in our family we're all like e um I'll in our family we're all like e um I'll in our family we're all like e um I'll have to profess we're all we're all have to profess we're all we're all have to profess we're all we're all Tesla and the only person who uses FSD Tesla and the only person who uses FSD Tesla and the only person who uses FSD is my father who can barely see you know is my father who can barely see you know is my father who can barely see you know and he's very he's pretty old. he and he's very he's pretty old. he and he's very he's pretty old. he actually shouldn't be driving. But um

actually shouldn't be driving. But um actually shouldn't be driving. But um you know there's some utility there but you know there's some utility there but you know there's some utility there but I think the the issue is over reliance I think the the issue is over reliance I think the the issue is over reliance and the question is why are you making and the question is why are you making and the question is why are you making so many damn um updates? I mean you know so many damn um updates? I mean you know so many damn um updates? I mean you know it's like how many times can you update it's like how many times can you update it's like how many times can you update the fart app on the you know and which the fart app on the you know and which the fart app on the you know and which is my my son's favorite application on is my my son's favorite application on is my my son's favorite application on the you know Tesla um UI to the fart the you know Tesla um UI to the fart the you know Tesla um UI to the fart app. Yeah. Why why do you need to update app. Yeah. Why why do you need to update app. Yeah. Why why do you need to update so much? And you know, it it makes you so much? And you know, it it makes you so much? And you know, it it makes you wonder, do these guys test especially if wonder, do these guys test especially if wonder, do these guys test especially if it's something critical or even near it's something critical or even near it's something critical or even near critical to functional? I don't think critical to functional? I don't think critical to functional? I don't think it's a I don't think it's a bug problem. it's a I don't think it's a bug problem. it's a I don't think it's a bug problem. I think it's a functionality and feature I think it's a functionality and feature I think it's a functionality and feature and trying to keep things fresh so that and trying to keep things fresh so that and trying to keep things fresh so that people keep interacting with it and people keep interacting with it and people keep interacting with it and don't I will say that if you're don't I will say that if you're don't I will say that if you're following the CVE map, it's CVE. following the CVE map, it's CVE. following the CVE map, it's CVE. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] Oh, that's an easy.

Oh, that's an easy. Oh, that's an easy. Really? Then you got to be worried, Really? Then you got to be worried, Really? Then you got to be worried, Olivia. Then you have to be worried. Olivia. Then you have to be worried. Olivia. Then you have to be worried. Well, my my car doesn't update that Well, my my car doesn't update that Well, my my car doesn't update that often. So, I'm kind of a It's a car often. So, I'm kind of a It's a car often. So, I'm kind of a It's a car manufacturer, not a software maker that manufacturer, not a software maker that manufacturer, not a software maker that started making cars. That's the started making cars. That's the started making cars. That's the difference. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with difference. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with difference. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. I think that the EU actually they that. I think that the EU actually they that. I think that the EU actually they passed a law where certain functions passed a law where certain functions passed a law where certain functions can't be put into the infotainment can't be put into the infotainment can't be put into the infotainment system. system. system. Um, just basic stuff. I think that's a Um, just basic stuff. I think that's a Um, just basic stuff. I think that's a good idea because I mean it does to me good idea because I mean it does to me good idea because I mean it does to me it does create more distraction and I it does create more distraction and I it does create more distraction and I would be upset if the the thing I'm would be upset if the the thing I'm would be upset if the the thing I'm interacting with is changing all the interacting with is changing all the interacting with is changing all the time on the car. That would really be time on the car. That would really be time on the car. That would really be very upsetting. But the fact that very upsetting. But the fact that very upsetting. But the fact that there's so much functionality that's there's so much functionality that's there's so much functionality that's being put into dashboard and touch being put into dashboard and touch being put into dashboard and touch screens, it's just making it more screens, it's just making it more screens, it's just making it more complex, I think, unnecessarily. complex, I think, unnecessarily. complex, I think, unnecessarily. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go back to buttons and Yeah. Yeah. Let's go back to buttons and Yeah. Yeah. Let's go back to buttons and switches switches switches and dials. Yeah. At the end of the day, and dials. Yeah. At the end of the day, and dials. Yeah. At the end of the day, what you need is is on, off, and then what you need is is on, off, and then what you need is is on, off, and then destination, right? You That's what destination, right? You That's what destination, right? You That's what we're going to need. That's it, right?

we're going to need. That's it, right? we're going to need. That's it, right? Two buttons. uh and u you know to your Two buttons. uh and u you know to your Two buttons. uh and u you know to your comment about FSD not being used Leonard comment about FSD not being used Leonard comment about FSD not being used Leonard I think it's a gener generational thing I think it's a gener generational thing I think it's a gener generational thing I think we are using technology in ways I think we are using technology in ways I think we are using technology in ways that our parents and grandparents are that our parents and grandparents are that our parents and grandparents are not because they're scared of it or they not because they're scared of it or they not because they're scared of it or they think it won't work or they won't rely think it won't work or they won't rely think it won't work or they won't rely on it like doing your banking on your on it like doing your banking on your on it like doing your banking on your phone like is that reasonable well today phone like is that reasonable well today phone like is that reasonable well today we think it's safe and reasonable we do we think it's safe and reasonable we do we think it's safe and reasonable we do it um and and you know we like most of it um and and you know we like most of it um and and you know we like most of the time don't have a problem I think the time don't have a problem I think the time don't have a problem I think there's less hacking of your bank there's less hacking of your bank there's less hacking of your bank account than there are car accidents day account than there are car accidents day account than there are car accidents day uh in proportion, right? But but at the uh in proportion, right? But but at the uh in proportion, right? But but at the end of the day, technology is evolving end of the day, technology is evolving end of the day, technology is evolving and I think I believe strongly that our and I think I believe strongly that our and I think I believe strongly that our kids, maybe grandkids, but maybe kids kids, maybe grandkids, but maybe kids kids, maybe grandkids, but maybe kids won't need a driving license. They they won't need a driving license. They they won't need a driving license. They they they will get in a car and set the they will get in a car and set the they will get in a car and set the destination and and get there. I mean, destination and and get there. I mean, destination and and get there. I mean, you see the way taxis and yes, it's you see the way taxis and yes, it's you see the way taxis and yes, it's still, you know, bumpy and and but safe still, you know, bumpy and and but safe still, you know, bumpy and and but safe enough to drive people around. And then enough to drive people around. And then enough to drive people around. And then at the end of the day once it's it's all at the end of the day once it's it's all at the end of the day once it's it's all you you you know the done with all the updates and know the done with all the updates and know the done with all the updates and it's something that works um you know it's something that works um you know it's something that works um you know it's it's going to be something where I it's it's going to be something where I it's it's going to be something where I don't see our grandkids passing a don't see our grandkids passing a don't see our grandkids passing a driving license. Why would they need driving license. Why would they need driving license. Why would they need Yeah. No you're well you know the Yeah. No you're well you know the Yeah. No you're well you know the dilemma is this. It it's like the I dilemma is this. It it's like the I dilemma is this. It it's like the I recently got into recently got into recently got into um discussion uh this um discussion on um discussion uh this um discussion on um discussion uh this um discussion on LinkedIn about EVs and you know there's LinkedIn about EVs and you know there's LinkedIn about EVs and you know there's folks who think that EVs are just going folks who think that EVs are just going folks who think that EVs are just going to disappear simply because they're just to disappear simply because they're just to disappear simply because they're just not economically viable, right? They're

not economically viable, right? They're not economically viable, right? They're they're and yes, it is true. Um Tesla they're and yes, it is true. Um Tesla they're and yes, it is true. Um Tesla was heavily subsidized, ridiculously was heavily subsidized, ridiculously was heavily subsidized, ridiculously subsidized. Um which is which is okay. subsidized. Um which is which is okay. subsidized. Um which is which is okay. It is what it is. um he probably It is what it is. um he probably It is what it is. um he probably shouldn't go around bragging that he is shouldn't go around bragging that he is shouldn't go around bragging that he is like uh you you know give himself too like uh you you know give himself too like uh you you know give himself too much credit uh given that taxpayers much credit uh given that taxpayers much credit uh given that taxpayers subsidize his um his ventures and and so subsidize his um his ventures and and so subsidize his um his ventures and and so does the the government. Um does the the government. Um does the the government. Um um but um you know it it's never going um but um you know it it's never going um but um you know it it's never going to go completely one way or the other. to go completely one way or the other. to go completely one way or the other. It's always going to be a hybrid mix. It's always going to be a hybrid mix. It's always going to be a hybrid mix. And we we on this show we all know about And we we on this show we all know about And we we on this show we all know about the brownfield and the challenges there the brownfield and the challenges there the brownfield and the challenges there and what it implies in terms of uh you and what it implies in terms of uh you and what it implies in terms of uh you know a a a headwind for any kind of know a a a headwind for any kind of know a a a headwind for any kind of dramatic revolutionary dramatic revolutionary dramatic revolutionary uh transformation. Uh so I think um uh transformation. Uh so I think um uh transformation. Uh so I think um you're always going to have those you're always going to have those you're always going to have those people. Look at Rob. Oh my god. Where are you heading to Rob?

Where are you heading to Rob? He's in Nashville. I'm in Nashville He's in Nashville. I'm in Nashville He's in Nashville. I'm in Nashville flying back to Seattle, but I got to flying back to Seattle, but I got to flying back to Seattle, but I got to come back through Atlanta. And And 99% come back through Atlanta. And And 99% come back through Atlanta. And And 99% of your flight will be automatically of your flight will be automatically of your flight will be automatically done by the pilot. Takeoff landing will done by the pilot. Takeoff landing will done by the pilot. Takeoff landing will be done by the be done by the be done by the self-driving system. Maybe we'll call self-driving system. Maybe we'll call self-driving system. Maybe we'll call that autopilot. Yeah. Yeah. So, Yeah. Yeah. So, um yeah, keep keep your fingers crossed. um yeah, keep keep your fingers crossed. um yeah, keep keep your fingers crossed. Um I think though I think though with a Um I think though I think though with a Um I think though I think though with a lot of um I'm try trying not to mention lot of um I'm try trying not to mention lot of um I'm try trying not to mention the key word but the key word but the key word but um I think with a lot of the fact that um I think with a lot of the fact that um I think with a lot of the fact that car like cars or different devices car like cars or different devices car like cars or different devices prices are skyrocketing even before any prices are skyrocketing even before any prices are skyrocketing even before any taxes or tariffs or anything like that. taxes or tariffs or anything like that. taxes or tariffs or anything like that. I think these brands are going to have I think these brands are going to have I think these brands are going to have to slim down some of the tax they put in to slim down some of the tax they put in to slim down some of the tax they put in there, right? because that's part of there, right? because that's part of there, right? because that's part of what's making it so expensive.

what's making it so expensive. what's making it so expensive. So to try to make it more affordable, I So to try to make it more affordable, I So to try to make it more affordable, I think they may have to have to try to think they may have to have to try to think they may have to have to try to figure out what's the best value for figure out what's the best value for figure out what's the best value for people and what makes most sense to people and what makes most sense to people and what makes most sense to develop as kind of new features. develop as kind of new features. develop as kind of new features. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, is the is the is is Yeah. Yeah. I mean, is the is the is is Yeah. Yeah. I mean, is the is the is is the Well, we we'll say we'll say cars the Well, we we'll say we'll say cars the Well, we we'll say we'll say cars like Tesla like Tesla like Tesla um is that an edge device? um is that an edge device? um is that an edge device? Yeah, it is. Right. It's it it is an Yeah, it is. Right. It's it it is an Yeah, it is. Right. It's it it is an edge device and an edge gateway, right? edge device and an edge gateway, right? edge device and an edge gateway, right? At the same time, right? 100%. So, At the same time, right? 100%. So, At the same time, right? 100%. So, here's here's why. I mean, this is the here's here's why. I mean, this is the here's here's why. I mean, this is the number one. I mean, I I have one. I love number one. I mean, I I have one. I love number one. I mean, I I have one. I love it. I drive it. Do I do I use FSD? Hell it. I drive it. Do I do I use FSD? Hell it. I drive it. Do I do I use FSD? Hell to the no. No, I mean some would say, "Well, wait a No, I mean some would say, "Well, wait a minute. You're supposed to be No, no, minute. You're supposed to be No, no, minute. You're supposed to be No, no, no, no, no, no. What I'm really worried no, no, no, no. What I'm really worried no, no, no, no. What I'm really worried about again is the cyber security aspect about again is the cyber security aspect about again is the cyber security aspect of it." Yeah. I mean, did you guys you of it." Yeah. I mean, did you guys you of it." Yeah. I mean, did you guys you guys saw where where the crosswalks got guys saw where where the crosswalks got guys saw where where the crosswalks got hacked in PaloAlto, right? No, I didn't hacked in PaloAlto, right? No, I didn't hacked in PaloAlto, right? No, I didn't see that. Yeah, that's fun. I think it see that. Yeah, that's fun. I think it see that. Yeah, that's fun. I think it was funny, but I think it's I was was funny, but I think it's I was was funny, but I think it's I was actually surprised that they had a full actually surprised that they had a full actually surprised that they had a full on speaker in there, not just like on speaker in there, not just like on speaker in there, not just like pre-recorded noises uh and sounds and pre-recorded noises uh and sounds and pre-recorded noises uh and sounds and it's like, but yeah, that was uh that's it's like, but yeah, that was uh that's it's like, but yeah, that was uh that's pretty cool. It was it I mean, and it's pretty cool. It was it I mean, and it's pretty cool. It was it I mean, and it's not the first time. It's not the first not the first time. It's not the first not the first time. It's not the first time. So, this is a classic time. So, this is a classic time. So, this is a classic man-in-the-middle attack. Mhm. Now, if

man-in-the-middle attack. Mhm. Now, if man-in-the-middle attack. Mhm. Now, if they can do that, the the the biggest they can do that, the the the biggest they can do that, the the the biggest fear that I've always had is that fear that I've always had is that fear that I've always had is that somebody gets access to the controllers somebody gets access to the controllers somebody gets access to the controllers and just I mean, you know, die hard and just I mean, you know, die hard and just I mean, you know, die hard style. Turn all the all the lights style. Turn all the all the lights style. Turn all the all the lights green. Yeah. Yeah. green. Yeah. Yeah. green. Yeah. Yeah. And and Tesla being an edge device is an And and Tesla being an edge device is an And and Tesla being an edge device is an IoT device susceptible to the same types IoT device susceptible to the same types IoT device susceptible to the same types of critical vulnerabilities that any of critical vulnerabilities that any of critical vulnerabilities that any other device is. Yeah. Let let me be a other device is. Yeah. Let let me be a other device is. Yeah. Let let me be a bit provocative here, Bill. Let me um bit provocative here, Bill. Let me um bit provocative here, Bill. Let me um ask you a question. Do you walk around ask you a question. Do you walk around ask you a question. Do you walk around with your wallet in your pocket? I never with your wallet in your pocket? I never with your wallet in your pocket? I never carry a wallet. Well, you have a phone carry a wallet. Well, you have a phone carry a wallet. Well, you have a phone and I have cards in there. But I I have and I have cards in there. But I I have and I have cards in there. But I I have a phone. What I'm saying here's here's a phone. What I'm saying here's here's a phone. What I'm saying here's here's my point though is that so is it my point though is that so is it my point though is that so is it hackable? Yes. Are you a hackable? Yes. Are you a hackable? Yes. Are you a target? Probably not. And so you might target? Probably not. And so you might target? Probably not. And so you might be in a little tiny percentage where be in a little tiny percentage where be in a little tiny percentage where there is a risk. It's not null. It's not there is a risk. It's not null. It's not there is a risk. It's not null. It's not zero. But who's going to hack you? You zero. But who's going to hack you? You zero. But who's going to hack you? You build Bill P. Like who's going to hack build Bill P. Like who's going to hack build Bill P. Like who's going to hack you and hack your car? Oh, let me tell you and hack your car? Oh, let me tell you and hack your car? Oh, let me tell you. You see what I mean? Let me tell you. You see what I mean? Let me tell you. You see what I mean? Let me tell you who's going to hack me because it you who's going to hack me because it you who's going to hack me because it just happened.

just happened. just happened. There was a guy in jail that was using There was a guy in jail that was using There was a guy in jail that was using my black my black my black card to make card to make card to make calls. And I mean, fortunately, the calls. And I mean, fortunately, the calls. And I mean, fortunately, the credit card company was like, "Oh, wait credit card company was like, "Oh, wait credit card company was like, "Oh, wait a minute. This is suspicious. You don't a minute. This is suspicious. You don't a minute. This is suspicious. You don't even use this card that much." Hey, is even use this card that much." Hey, is even use this card that much." Hey, is this you? No, it was not me. Okay, we'll this you? No, it was not me. Okay, we'll this you? No, it was not me. Okay, we'll send you a new card. I mean, is it is it send you a new card. I mean, is it is it send you a new card. I mean, is it is it a small thing? Kind of. But how the hell a small thing? Kind of. But how the hell a small thing? Kind of. But how the hell did he even get access to it? Oh, yeah. did he even get access to it? Oh, yeah. did he even get access to it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question. I mean, It's not so much that question. I mean, It's not so much that question. I mean, It's not so much that I think about it from a personal I think about it from a personal I think about it from a personal perspective. I think about it from a perspective. I think about it from a perspective. I think about it from a mass perspective because if they can if mass perspective because if they can if mass perspective because if they can if they can grab that now I mean all of they can grab that now I mean all of they can grab that now I mean all of this concept of V to I V to X V to V all this concept of V to I V to X V to V all this concept of V to I V to X V to V all of that stuff becomes something that is of that stuff becomes something that is of that stuff becomes something that is incomprehensible in terms of the damage incomprehensible in terms of the damage incomprehensible in terms of the damage that can be that can be uh uh you know that can be that can be uh uh you know that can be that can be uh uh you know delivered. So I mean is it is it you delivered. So I mean is it is it you delivered. So I mean is it is it you know conspiracy theorist or any of that? know conspiracy theorist or any of that? know conspiracy theorist or any of that? Sure it is. But it's real.

Sure it is. But it's real. Sure it is. But it's real. No, it's not. I know. I know. It's No, it's not. I know. I know. It's No, it's not. I know. I know. It's actual threat that and risk. That's the actual threat that and risk. That's the actual threat that and risk. That's the thing. I mean, it's actually something thing. I mean, it's actually something thing. I mean, it's actually something that hasn't been well addressed. You that hasn't been well addressed. You that hasn't been well addressed. You know, CV tox stuff, right? In know, CV tox stuff, right? In know, CV tox stuff, right? In particular, hasn't really been particular, hasn't really been particular, hasn't really been addressed. And again, I think when you addressed. And again, I think when you addressed. And again, I think when you look at the applications, you have to look at the applications, you have to look at the applications, you have to consider the security and privacy consider the security and privacy consider the security and privacy aspects of it. And it is something that aspects of it. And it is something that aspects of it. And it is something that was when when they were initially was when when they were initially was when when they were initially talking about VA X that that talking about VA X that that talking about VA X that that um consideration was very immature if um consideration was very immature if um consideration was very immature if not not even there right they were just not not even there right they were just not not even there right they were just really trying to figure out okay can we really trying to figure out okay can we really trying to figure out okay can we get adoption of this technology and what get adoption of this technology and what get adoption of this technology and what are the solution architectures that can are the solution architectures that can are the solution architectures that can leverage this and what's the benefit how leverage this and what's the benefit how leverage this and what's the benefit how can we build a value proposition for can we build a value proposition for can we build a value proposition for this technology in some sort of you know this technology in some sort of you know this technology in some sort of you know um application and there were a lot of um application and there were a lot of um application and there were a lot of hypothetical articles, right? But, uh, hypothetical articles, right? But, uh, hypothetical articles, right? But, uh, if you tried to find a security or if you tried to find a security or if you tried to find a security or privacy section of any kind of proposal privacy section of any kind of proposal privacy section of any kind of proposal or white paper or uh, you know, a or white paper or uh, you know, a or white paper or uh, you know, a research note, it just wasn't there. It research note, it just wasn't there. It research note, it just wasn't there. It was maybe like a footnote somewhere, you was maybe like a footnote somewhere, you was maybe like a footnote somewhere, you know. Um, but it wasn't one of those know. Um, but it wasn't one of those know. Um, but it wasn't one of those things that was put at the forefront.

things that was put at the forefront. things that was put at the forefront. But it's like what Debbie um, you know, But it's like what Debbie um, you know, But it's like what Debbie um, you know, we have I had Barb Carver on a podcast. we have I had Barb Carver on a podcast. we have I had Barb Carver on a podcast. You heard that? And then one of the You heard that? And then one of the You heard that? And then one of the things that we talked about was and things that we talked about was and things that we talked about was and Debbie I think you were the one that Debbie I think you were the one that Debbie I think you were the one that brought it up is you know these brought it up is you know these brought it up is you know these applications need to be considered with applications need to be considered with applications need to be considered with security and privacy first because at security and privacy first because at security and privacy first because at some point that's going to be a gate some point that's going to be a gate some point that's going to be a gate right um it's going to determine whether right um it's going to determine whether right um it's going to determine whether or not it you know whatever it is that or not it you know whatever it is that or not it you know whatever it is that you're designing is actually you're designing is actually you're designing is actually commercially uh um viable viable you commercially uh um viable viable you commercially uh um viable viable you know. Yeah. Absolutely. know. Yeah. Absolutely. know. Yeah. Absolutely. So, yep. But I mean it it they they So, yep. But I mean it it they they So, yep. But I mean it it they they think of it I mean so often they think think of it I mean so often they think think of it I mean so often they think of it as well one we've always said this of it as well one we've always said this of it as well one we've always said this right it those are always afterthoughts. right it those are always afterthoughts. right it those are always afterthoughts. Yeah. After someone raises a question Yeah. After someone raises a question Yeah. After someone raises a question then oh wait a minute we got to go back then oh wait a minute we got to go back then oh wait a minute we got to go back and do do something about that. The the and do do something about that. The the and do do something about that. The the fact of the matter is that it needs to fact of the matter is that it needs to fact of the matter is that it needs to be by design. Yeah. and and it needs to be by design. Yeah. and and it needs to be by design. Yeah. and and it needs to be be be continuously validated, verified, continuously validated, verified, continuously validated, verified, checked. Any part of your regression checked. Any part of your regression checked. Any part of your regression testing needs to be, you know, inclusive testing needs to be, you know, inclusive testing needs to be, you know, inclusive of all of those things because you can of all of those things because you can of all of those things because you can put a new feature in that exploits a new put a new feature in that exploits a new put a new feature in that exploits a new vulnerability that exploits new data vulnerability that exploits new data vulnerability that exploits new data collection that's not proper.

collection that's not proper. collection that's not proper. Yeah. I'm I'm wondering, so I dare say Yeah. I'm I'm wondering, so I dare say Yeah. I'm I'm wondering, so I dare say it it actually should also be regulated it it actually should also be regulated it it actually should also be regulated in addition to being tested and so on, in addition to being tested and so on, in addition to being tested and so on, right? There should be regulations that right? There should be regulations that right? There should be regulations that will not allow a uh an FSD system to go will not allow a uh an FSD system to go will not allow a uh an FSD system to go out without a kill switch. Like I'm out without a kill switch. Like I'm out without a kill switch. Like I'm wondering on the Tesla is the the wondering on the Tesla is the the wondering on the Tesla is the the physical action of physical action of physical action of breaking unblocking all the software breaking unblocking all the software breaking unblocking all the software control of everything and bringing control of everything and bringing control of everything and bringing everything locally and and so that's a everything locally and and so that's a everything locally and and so that's a question I don't know I mean how much of question I don't know I mean how much of question I don't know I mean how much of it can be hacked uh past the breaking it can be hacked uh past the breaking it can be hacked uh past the breaking you know on on a robot arm you have this you know on on a robot arm you have this you know on on a robot arm you have this big red button you you hit it and big red button you you hit it and big red button you you hit it and everything stops right in a car you everything stops right in a car you everything stops right in a car you cannot stop everything at once but can cannot stop everything at once but can cannot stop everything at once but can you take control over full driving full you take control over full driving full you take control over full driving full self-driving self-driving self-driving like in a matter of like half a second like in a matter of like half a second like in a matter of like half a second and and is it something that would would and and is it something that would would and and is it something that would would could not be hacked basically because could not be hacked basically because could not be hacked basically because it's all local. Well, I mean, so here's it's all local. Well, I mean, so here's it's all local. Well, I mean, so here's here's a here's a here's an example to here's a here's a here's an example to here's a here's a here's an example to that point. Um my wife takes the Tesla, that point. Um my wife takes the Tesla, that point. Um my wife takes the Tesla, she's going out to run some errands. She she's going out to run some errands. She she's going out to run some errands. She calls me in a panic and she says, "I was calls me in a panic and she says, "I was calls me in a panic and she says, "I was trying to park and the car just took trying to park and the car just took trying to park and the car just took off. I almost ran into the building and off. I almost ran into the building and off. I almost ran into the building and I'm like, "Wow." So I called Tesla and I'm like, "Wow." So I called Tesla and I'm like, "Wow." So I called Tesla and you know I'm like I'm like look I know you know I'm like I'm like look I know you know I'm like I'm like look I know you guys are monitoring all this so I you guys are monitoring all this so I you guys are monitoring all this so I need access to all the data. They were need access to all the data. They were need access to all the data. They were looking at it. They were like yeah we looking at it. They were like yeah we looking at it. They were like yeah we didn't see anything you know we we saw didn't see anything you know we we saw didn't see anything you know we we saw you know and I did they did she go into you know and I did they did she go into you know and I did they did she go into South Park and I was like no she doesn't

South Park and I was like no she doesn't South Park and I was like no she doesn't do those things cuz she doesn't trust do those things cuz she doesn't trust do those things cuz she doesn't trust it. But when I looked at all the data it. But when I looked at all the data it. But when I looked at all the data there were no records of it. So there's there were no records of it. So there's there were no records of it. So there's a there's a problem there. Yeah. Right. a there's a problem there. Yeah. Right. a there's a problem there. Yeah. Right. So, I'm I'm thinking that you got this So, I'm I'm thinking that you got this So, I'm I'm thinking that you got this is their direct feedback line, right? is their direct feedback line, right? is their direct feedback line, right? Because they're they're monitoring all Because they're they're monitoring all Because they're they're monitoring all these vehicles that are on the road and these vehicles that are on the road and these vehicles that are on the road and they're looking at these things they're looking at these things they're looking at these things happening. Now, there's history of that happening. Now, there's history of that happening. Now, there's history of that that exact scenario happening, you know, that exact scenario happening, you know, that exact scenario happening, you know, to several drivers. to several drivers. to several drivers. Mhm. Yet, it still happens. Mhm. Yet, it still happens. Mhm. Yet, it still happens. Black Mirror Tesla Edition. Black Mirror Tesla Edition. Black Mirror Tesla Edition. Yeah. Oh, that's a feature. I'm sorry. Oh my gosh. Hey, you know, but I mean Oh my gosh. Hey, you know, but I mean that don't you think that would be a it that don't you think that would be a it that don't you think that would be a it would be a challenge with the Tesla cuz would be a challenge with the Tesla cuz would be a challenge with the Tesla cuz there's hardly any mechanical parts on there's hardly any mechanical parts on there's hardly any mechanical parts on that thing, right? Or it's the silicon that thing, right? Or it's the silicon that thing, right? Or it's the silicon taking over. Yeah. Yeah. But but you can taking over. Yeah. Yeah. But but you can taking over. Yeah. Yeah. But but you can be you don't No, no. You can be be you don't No, no. You can be be you don't No, no. You can be deterministic with hardware and software deterministic with hardware and software deterministic with hardware and software on it. That's possible. You can, right?

on it. That's possible. You can, right? on it. That's possible. You can, right? That's not a matter of of you know, do That's not a matter of of you know, do That's not a matter of of you know, do you need to be mechanical for doing you need to be mechanical for doing you need to be mechanical for doing that? You can't condition right I mean that? You can't condition right I mean that? You can't condition right I mean there's conditions and then there's there's conditions and then there's there's conditions and then there's executables against those conditions executables against those conditions executables against those conditions well and then there is a security well and then there is a security well and then there is a security architecture of the whole thing where architecture of the whole thing where architecture of the whole thing where you know you need to have isolations of you know you need to have isolations of you know you need to have isolations of systems and you need to make sure that systems and you need to make sure that systems and you need to make sure that that's part of the system which is hard that's part of the system which is hard that's part of the system which is hard real time software on on hardware that real time software on on hardware that real time software on on hardware that when you press that button you know it when you press that button you know it when you press that button you know it will take over and and in a good sense will take over and and in a good sense will take over and and in a good sense it will give you control back of it will give you control back of it will give you control back of everything through electronics for sure everything through electronics for sure everything through electronics for sure because the car like even brakes are because the car like even brakes are because the car like even brakes are electronically controlled, right? That electronically controlled, right? That electronically controlled, right? That it's not a physical cable that you have it's not a physical cable that you have it's not a physical cable that you have behind that pedal, but it's it's behind that pedal, but it's it's behind that pedal, but it's it's something that is safe enough that is something that is safe enough that is something that is safe enough that is deterministic. It's real time. It's hard deterministic. It's real time. It's hard deterministic. It's real time. It's hard real time. And so what you want is to real time. And so what you want is to real time. And so what you want is to give back control to that part of the give back control to that part of the give back control to that part of the system, not to the fancy sales driving, system, not to the fancy sales driving, system, not to the fancy sales driving, which is the app on top of it that we which is the app on top of it that we which is the app on top of it that we know is not fully deterministic. know is not fully deterministic. know is not fully deterministic. Well, I mean, when that when that thing Well, I mean, when that when that thing Well, I mean, when that when that thing took off, the brakes didn't work.

took off, the brakes didn't work. took off, the brakes didn't work. Well, if she if she hit Well, if she if she hit Well, if she if she hit it, it would have stopped if if she it, it would have stopped if if she it, it would have stopped if if she physically had hit the brake. Well, she physically had hit the brake. Well, she physically had hit the brake. Well, she didn't hit the building. No, she didn't didn't hit the building. No, she didn't didn't hit the building. No, she didn't hit the building because because the hit the building because because the hit the building because because the damn curb stop stopped the car from damn curb stop stopped the car from damn curb stop stopped the car from going. So, I mean, I'm sorry. I don't going. So, I mean, I'm sorry. I don't going. So, I mean, I'm sorry. I don't know. I don't know if that's a good a know. I don't know if that's a good a know. I don't know if that's a good a good answer, you know. Oh, good answer, you know. Oh, good answer, you know. Oh, unfortunately, you didn't run through unfortunately, you didn't run through unfortunately, you didn't run through that damn building. We always say what that damn building. We always say what that damn building. We always say what counts is the outcome, right? Yeah. counts is the outcome, right? Yeah. counts is the outcome, right? Yeah. Yeah, you should Tesla's customer Yeah, you should Tesla's customer Yeah, you should Tesla's customer service. Well, she didn't hit the service. Well, she didn't hit the service. Well, she didn't hit the building, did she? Yo, I'm talking to building, did she? Yo, I'm talking to building, did she? Yo, I'm talking to the I'm talking to the to the Tesla rep the I'm talking to the to the Tesla rep the I'm talking to the to the Tesla rep and and he's like, oo, that's scary. I'm and and he's like, oo, that's scary. I'm and and he's like, oo, that's scary. I'm like, no I'm like, imagine if someone was walking I'm like, imagine if someone was walking there and it just it just went now. Now, there and it just it just went now. Now, there and it just it just went now. Now, who's who's responsible? Tesla's got who's who's responsible? Tesla's got who's who's responsible? Tesla's got records that say, nope, we didn't see records that say, nope, we didn't see records that say, nope, we didn't see anything here, so it must have been the anything here, so it must have been the anything here, so it must have been the driver. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible. Are driver. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible. Are driver. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible. Are they sorry? Go ahead.

they sorry? Go ahead. they sorry? Go ahead. No, I said that's terrible. Yeah, it is. No, I said that's terrible. Yeah, it is. No, I said that's terrible. Yeah, it is. I was I like to say, you know, data I was I like to say, you know, data I was I like to say, you know, data technology is a double-edged sword, technology is a double-edged sword, technology is a double-edged sword, right? So, I I find it very interesting right? So, I I find it very interesting right? So, I I find it very interesting that they record everything about the that they record everything about the that they record everything about the car. They pretend to like that thing car. They pretend to like that thing car. They pretend to like that thing didn't happen, right? Very interesting. didn't happen, right? Very interesting. didn't happen, right? Very interesting. Very interesting. Plausible deniability, Very interesting. Plausible deniability, Very interesting. Plausible deniability, right? Ridiculous. Aren't they adding a right? Ridiculous. Aren't they adding a right? Ridiculous. Aren't they adding a Aren't they adding a dash cam Aren't they adding a dash cam Aren't they adding a dash cam application? Because that's going to be application? Because that's going to be application? Because that's going to be interesting to see how people are are interesting to see how people are are interesting to see how people are are going back to the Oh, no. We have We going back to the Oh, no. We have We going back to the Oh, no. We have We have that. We have that. Yeah. So, you have that. We have that. Yeah. So, you have that. We have that. Yeah. So, you can go back to that moment and re replay can go back to that moment and re replay can go back to that moment and re replay the videos, right? Well, you can replay the videos, right? Well, you can replay the videos, right? Well, you can replay the video, but that there's a it's the video, but that there's a it's the video, but that there's a it's disjointed, right? Because the video disjointed, right? Because the video disjointed, right? Because the video shows one thing. The video will show shows one thing. The video will show shows one thing. The video will show that the car accelerated while trying to that the car accelerated while trying to that the car accelerated while trying to park, but the data says nobody pressed park, but the data says nobody pressed park, but the data says nobody pressed the brake or nobody did this. So, the the brake or nobody did this. So, the the brake or nobody did this. So, the driver must have been at fault. Oh, driver must have been at fault. Oh, driver must have been at fault. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that makes okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that makes okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.

sense. sense. So, it is disconnected. Yes. Does So, it is disconnected. Yes. Does So, it is disconnected. Yes. Does anybody remember the Audi 5000 back in anybody remember the Audi 5000 back in anybody remember the Audi 5000 back in the 1980s? the 1980s? the 1980s? And it had multiple incidents where it And it had multiple incidents where it And it had multiple incidents where it just started driving through people's just started driving through people's just started driving through people's garages and all the way back through the garages and all the way back through the garages and all the way back through the back walls, a lot of them, and they back walls, a lot of them, and they back walls, a lot of them, and they discontinued the car and it almost put discontinued the car and it almost put discontinued the car and it almost put Audi out of business forever. Really? Audi out of business forever. Really? Audi out of business forever. Really? Wow. Wow. Wow. You have to look it up. Yeah, that's You have to look it up. Yeah, that's You have to look it up. Yeah, that's nuts. Yeah. Wow. That's even before FSD nuts. Yeah. Wow. That's even before FSD nuts. Yeah. Wow. That's even before FSD and all this other like Yeah. It just and all this other like Yeah. It just and all this other like Yeah. It just decided to drive by itself right through decided to drive by itself right through decided to drive by itself right through the garage. No bueno. What What was that like sort No bueno. What What was that like sort of a cruise control type function? Is of a cruise control type function? Is of a cruise control type function? Is that that went haywire? Is that is that that that went haywire? Is that is that that that went haywire? Is that is that No, it was like people were like parking No, it was like people were like parking No, it was like people were like parking or pulling out of the garage and going or pulling out of the garage and going or pulling out of the garage and going in and putting on the brakes and it just in and putting on the brakes and it just in and putting on the brakes and it just decided to accelerate on its own and decided to accelerate on its own and decided to accelerate on its own and kept and you couldn't stop it. I kept and you couldn't stop it. I kept and you couldn't stop it. I remember I remember cars back then have remember I remember cars back then have remember I remember cars back then have and some of them having those types of and some of them having those types of and some of them having those types of issues, right? And issues, right? And issues, right? And um some of them a mechanical issue, but um some of them a mechanical issue, but um some of them a mechanical issue, but yeah, that is really weird.

yeah, that is really weird. yeah, that is really weird. I I you know, I want to play devil's I I you know, I want to play devil's I I you know, I want to play devil's advocate again a little bit here when advocate again a little bit here when advocate again a little bit here when you with an old non-electric you with an old non-electric you with an old non-electric non-self-driving car, right? When you non-self-driving car, right? When you non-self-driving car, right? When you have the cable of the brake that that have the cable of the brake that that have the cable of the brake that that breaks like what happens, right? You hit breaks like what happens, right? You hit breaks like what happens, right? You hit the wall when there's a a a the wall when there's a a a the wall when there's a a a mechanical issue which can happen. It's mechanical issue which can happen. It's mechanical issue which can happen. It's like physical part that we're out and so like physical part that we're out and so like physical part that we're out and so on. You can have an accident, right? on. You can have an accident, right? on. You can have an accident, right? It's possible. It's it's all a matter of It's possible. It's it's all a matter of It's possible. It's it's all a matter of probability. That's why you pay probability. That's why you pay probability. That's why you pay insurance. It's based on probability insurance. It's based on probability insurance. It's based on probability you're going to have an accident. Um and you're going to have an accident. Um and you're going to have an accident. Um and it might be mechanical problem or now it might be mechanical problem or now it might be mechanical problem or now could be software and and hardware could be software and and hardware could be software and and hardware problem. But the big question is like problem. But the big question is like problem. But the big question is like the proportion of the of what's the I the proportion of the of what's the I the proportion of the of what's the I don't know do we have data on the don't know do we have data on the don't know do we have data on the proportion of problems? I'm not a a like proportion of problems? I'm not a a like proportion of problems? I'm not a a like just like I'm not drinking everyone's just like I'm not drinking everyone's just like I'm not drinking everyone's Kool-Aid, but I'm just wondering talking Kool-Aid, but I'm just wondering talking Kool-Aid, but I'm just wondering talking a lot about the issues with FSDs and a lot about the issues with FSDs and a lot about the issues with FSDs and things like that. What's the proportion things like that. What's the proportion things like that. What's the proportion of these problems versus when everything of these problems versus when everything of these problems versus when everything goes right? And if you look at older goes right? And if you look at older goes right? And if you look at older cars, what's the proportion of problems, cars, what's the proportion of problems, cars, what's the proportion of problems, mechanical ones or or you know, loss of mechanical ones or or you know, loss of mechanical ones or or you know, loss of control, whatever. Um, I don't know. I control, whatever. Um, I don't know. I control, whatever. Um, I don't know. I mean, well, I mean, I would I would mean, well, I mean, I would I would mean, well, I mean, I would I would argue that the data the data suggests argue that the data the data suggests argue that the data the data suggests that it's a good business because that it's a good business because that it's a good business because insurance insurance for all intents and insurance insurance for all intents and insurance insurance for all intents and purposes, I think Chris Rock said it, purposes, I think Chris Rock said it, purposes, I think Chris Rock said it, insurance is just in case insurance is just in case insurance is just in case just in case happens. And you just in case happens. And you just in case happens. And you know, nine times out of 10 it won't, but know, nine times out of 10 it won't, but know, nine times out of 10 it won't, but that one time that it does,

that one time that it does, that one time that it does, right? And I mean, so the the numbers, right? And I mean, so the the numbers, right? And I mean, so the the numbers, you know, to me say, uh, it's a good you know, to me say, uh, it's a good you know, to me say, uh, it's a good business. So, because it happens business. So, because it happens business. So, because it happens sometimes. Yeah. I mean, right now, to sometimes. Yeah. I mean, right now, to sometimes. Yeah. I mean, right now, to your point, when it's when it's the old your point, when it's when it's the old your point, when it's when it's the old school stuff, it's forensic, right? school stuff, it's forensic, right? school stuff, it's forensic, right? Because that's how you wound up with the Because that's how you wound up with the Because that's how you wound up with the recalls. It happened to enough recalls. It happened to enough recalls. It happened to enough statistically speaking that we should statistically speaking that we should statistically speaking that we should recall. Yep. Yep. That's true. I don't know. That's why That's true. I don't know. That's why That's true. I don't know. That's why that's why for me the hot button with that's why for me the hot button with that's why for me the hot button with any of that stuff is I'm monitoring any of that stuff is I'm monitoring any of that stuff is I'm monitoring critical vulnerabilities like crazy and critical vulnerabilities like crazy and critical vulnerabilities like crazy and and looking at the the net impact of it and looking at the the net impact of it and looking at the the net impact of it because if it's running Linux, if it's because if it's running Linux, if it's because if it's running Linux, if it's running on certain processors and things running on certain processors and things running on certain processors and things of that nature, you need to pay of that nature, you need to pay of that nature, you need to pay attention to that. attention to that. attention to that. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty It's getting Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty It's getting Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty It's getting really scary out there. Really, really, really scary out there. Really, really, really scary out there. Really, really, really scary. Really fast. Um, so RSAC really scary. Really fast. Um, so RSAC really scary. Really fast. Um, so RSAC is is only two weeks of two a week and a is is only two weeks of two a week and a is is only two weeks of two a week and a half away. So, it's going to be really half away. So, it's going to be really half away. So, it's going to be really interesting to see um what they talk interesting to see um what they talk interesting to see um what they talk they're talking about, you know, um they're talking about, you know, um they're talking about, you know, um because you know these especially with because you know these especially with because you know these especially with the deep fakes like what we were talking the deep fakes like what we were talking the deep fakes like what we were talking about Debbie on our chat with Bob uh the about Debbie on our chat with Bob uh the about Debbie on our chat with Bob uh the deep fake problem is getting worse and

deep fake problem is getting worse and deep fake problem is getting worse and worse. Um, it's so so easy now for them worse. Um, it's so so easy now for them worse. Um, it's so so easy now for them to create a compelling likeness of to create a compelling likeness of to create a compelling likeness of anyone just off of a photograph. You anyone just off of a photograph. You anyone just off of a photograph. You know what I'm saying? Or a sample. know what I'm saying? Or a sample. know what I'm saying? Or a sample. It's really disturbing. Actually, It's really disturbing. Actually, It's really disturbing. Actually, actually an article came up uh recently actually an article came up uh recently actually an article came up uh recently that said on um Tab GP if you gave it a that said on um Tab GP if you gave it a that said on um Tab GP if you gave it a photo, uh it was really good at being photo, uh it was really good at being photo, uh it was really good at being able to pinpoint the location of the able to pinpoint the location of the able to pinpoint the location of the photo, not based on the metadata and not photo, not based on the metadata and not photo, not based on the metadata and not b necessarily based on what's actually b necessarily based on what's actually b necessarily based on what's actually in the photo. people thought that's like, you know, people thought that's like, you know, super stalker mode super stalker mode super stalker mode uh type of thing. You know, it's not uh type of thing. You know, it's not uh type of thing. You know, it's not always accurate, but it's accurate always accurate, but it's accurate always accurate, but it's accurate enough to be scary, I guess, depending enough to be scary, I guess, depending enough to be scary, I guess, depending on who they want to do with the data. I on who they want to do with the data. I on who they want to do with the data. I Debbie, you made a post about the uh Debbie, you made a post about the uh Debbie, you made a post about the uh facial recognition that uh Apple's facial recognition that uh Apple's facial recognition that uh Apple's doorbells was doing. Oh, yes. And that doorbells was doing. Oh, yes. And that doorbells was doing. Oh, yes. And that was a hot button for me because of the was a hot button for me because of the was a hot button for me because of the deep fake opportunity.

deep fake opportunity. deep fake opportunity. Yeah. Because I guarantee you I can Yeah. Because I guarantee you I can Yeah. Because I guarantee you I can Google every single one of you here and Google every single one of you here and Google every single one of you here and find pictures of you. Yeah. find pictures of you. Yeah. find pictures of you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, how do we how do So, how do we how do So, how do we how do we So, face recognition is not the right we So, face recognition is not the right we So, face recognition is not the right um the right biometric. No, definitely um the right biometric. No, definitely um the right biometric. No, definitely not. Right. not. Right. not. Right. That's the answer. That's the That's the That's the answer. That's the That's the That's the answer. That's the That's the answer. Now I think what's the ultimate answer. Now I think what's the ultimate answer. Now I think what's the ultimate good one? DNA. good one? DNA. good one? DNA. No, they have too. No, they have too. No, they have too. No. The only the only technological No. The only the only technological No. The only the only technological solution to that is a damn key. solution to that is a damn key. solution to that is a damn key. Yes. A physical key Yes. A physical key Yes. A physical key or a password. or a password. or a password. Paper and pencil. Because a key can be Paper and pencil. Because a key can be Paper and pencil. Because a key can be key can be reproduced, right? Sure it key can be reproduced, right? Sure it key can be reproduced, right? Sure it can. But you need like three of them. can. But you need like three of them. can. But you need like three of them. You need like three of them. You need like three of them. You need like three of them. I'm I'm down with going back to carving I'm I'm down with going back to carving I'm I'm down with going back to carving messages into phone at this point. I'm messages into phone at this point. I'm messages into phone at this point. I'm with you. I'm with you. And carrier with you. I'm with you. And carrier with you. I'm with you. And carrier vision.

vision. vision. Get the key to open your phone. Right. Get the key to open your phone. Right. Get the key to open your phone. Right. Man, we're going to go back. We're going Man, we're going to go back. We're going Man, we're going to go back. We're going to go Game of Thrones. to go Game of Thrones. to go Game of Thrones. Um yeah, you know, there may be a Um yeah, you know, there may be a Um yeah, you know, there may be a diametric that happens because you know diametric that happens because you know diametric that happens because you know that when when trust gets that when when trust gets that when when trust gets compromised to the level and scale that compromised to the level and scale that compromised to the level and scale that um it has the potential uh to be um it has the potential uh to be um it has the potential uh to be compromised now uh it it it it's going compromised now uh it it it it's going compromised now uh it it it it's going to fundamentally to fundamentally to fundamentally um um um impact everything society and e economy impact everything society and e economy impact everything society and e economy right and you know I I definitely right and you know I I definitely right and you know I I definitely Most folks out there don't realize this Most folks out there don't realize this Most folks out there don't realize this stuff. I mean, um, there's a small stuff. I mean, um, there's a small stuff. I mean, um, there's a small company of folks who are like Bill, like company of folks who are like Bill, like company of folks who are like Bill, like you, Debbie, like most of us, uh, on IoT you, Debbie, like most of us, uh, on IoT you, Debbie, like most of us, uh, on IoT Coffee Talk who, um, have our ears to Coffee Talk who, um, have our ears to Coffee Talk who, um, have our ears to the ground on this stuff. It it's it's the ground on this stuff. It it's it's the ground on this stuff. It it's it's getting worse and worse and worse. Um getting worse and worse and worse. Um getting worse and worse and worse. Um and all you have to do is just look at and all you have to do is just look at and all you have to do is just look at how your uh bank is shifting their how your uh bank is shifting their how your uh bank is shifting their measures to authenticate you. you know, measures to authenticate you. you know, measures to authenticate you. you know, um, you know, they used to have like a um, you know, they used to have like a um, you know, they used to have like a what do you call it, the onetime what do you call it, the onetime what do you call it, the onetime passcode and it had like, you know, four passcode and it had like, you know, four passcode and it had like, you know, four digits. Now it's something like six or digits. Now it's something like six or digits. Now it's something like six or seven, 8, 9, 10, right? uh they're seven, 8, 9, 10, right? uh they're seven, 8, 9, 10, right? uh they're having to upgrade um their mechanisms having to upgrade um their mechanisms having to upgrade um their mechanisms for verifying who you are and verifying for verifying who you are and verifying for verifying who you are and verifying transactions to a degree where at some

transactions to a degree where at some transactions to a degree where at some point they're they're going to ask you point they're they're going to ask you point they're they're going to ask you to come into the the bank and um you to come into the the bank and um you to come into the the bank and um you know they're going to start hiring know they're going to start hiring know they're going to start hiring tellers again and um they're going to tellers again and um they're going to tellers again and um they're going to use whatever remaining biometrics use whatever remaining biometrics use whatever remaining biometrics combination of biometrics to prove who combination of biometrics to prove who combination of biometrics to prove who you are you know and you'll have to be you are you know and you'll have to be you are you know and you'll have to be in person. Yeah, that's the ultimate in person. Yeah, that's the ultimate in person. Yeah, that's the ultimate biometric. It's yourself, right? Oh, biometric. It's yourself, right? Oh, biometric. It's yourself, right? Oh, okay. You're there. Your DNA matches. okay. You're there. Your DNA matches. okay. You're there. Your DNA matches. Your voice matches. Well, here's the thing, though. The Well, here's the thing, though. The teller has never seen you before. teller has never seen you before. teller has never seen you before. Oh, then they get a little bit Oh, then they get a little bit Oh, then they get a little bit Well, I know. I know. I know. Where I Well, I know. I know. I know. Where I Well, I know. I know. I know. Where I bank, they literally when we opened up bank, they literally when we opened up bank, they literally when we opened up the the new business account, they the the new business account, they the the new business account, they literally took photos of us. literally took photos of us. literally took photos of us. Really? Yeah. Photos, but they can be Really? Yeah. Photos, but they can be Really? Yeah. Photos, but they can be defaked, right? Well, not the person. I defaked, right? Well, not the person. I defaked, right? Well, not the person. I mean, if the photo is sitting there and mean, if the photo is sitting there and mean, if the photo is sitting there and the teller's looking at the photo, that the teller's looking at the photo, that the teller's looking at the photo, that you know, that better be authentic. you know, that better be authentic. you know, that better be authentic. Yeah. But if you're Tom Cruz, man, you Yeah. But if you're Tom Cruz, man, you Yeah. But if you're Tom Cruz, man, you can you can uh you can do one of those can you can uh you can do one of those can you can uh you can do one of those like what's his name? Ethan. Yeah. Yeah.

like what's his name? Ethan. Yeah. Yeah. like what's his name? Ethan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, fabricate like a little Yeah. You know, fabricate like a little Yeah. You know, fabricate like a little mask and, you know, have that little mask and, you know, have that little mask and, you know, have that little voice thing that you swallow to match voice thing that you swallow to match voice thing that you swallow to match the voice. Uh man, you know, See, all the voice. Uh man, you know, See, all the voice. Uh man, you know, See, all those reasons, all those reasons is why those reasons, all those reasons is why those reasons, all those reasons is why my house is a damn fortress. All of that. I mean, that to that was I All of that. I mean, that to that was I almost started writing a novel on almost started writing a novel on almost started writing a novel on Debbiey's post cuz I was like, "Oh my Debbiey's post cuz I was like, "Oh my Debbiey's post cuz I was like, "Oh my god, people with that want smart homes god, people with that want smart homes god, people with that want smart homes or connected homes, I'm like, I implore or connected homes, I'm like, I implore or connected homes, I'm like, I implore you do a port scan. Find out what ports you do a port scan. Find out what ports you do a port scan. Find out what ports are open. Get yourself a solid firewall. are open. Get yourself a solid firewall. are open. Get yourself a solid firewall. Yeah, Bill's not kidding. His house is a Yeah, Bill's not kidding. His house is a Yeah, Bill's not kidding. His house is a giant Faraday cage. Oh man. giant Faraday cage. Oh man. giant Faraday cage. Oh man. No, it's not a joke. And you know the No, it's not a joke. And you know the No, it's not a joke. And you know the the thing is even with the family the thing is even with the family the thing is even with the family members um you have to extend the members um you have to extend the members um you have to extend the practice and awareness to them otherwise practice and awareness to them otherwise practice and awareness to them otherwise your your house is I vulnerable. I your your house is I vulnerable. I your your house is I vulnerable. I stopped. I just told everyone don't stopped. I just told everyone don't stopped. I just told everyone don't don't get any connected stuff cuz I don't get any connected stuff cuz I don't get any connected stuff cuz I don't want to be a a support person for don't want to be a a support person for don't want to be a a support person for the entire family of like debugging and the entire family of like debugging and the entire family of like debugging and and fixing everyone's problems in their and fixing everyone's problems in their and fixing everyone's problems in their auto home automation. I was just like auto home automation. I was just like auto home automation. I was just like don't do it. It's like just just yeah don't do it. It's like just just yeah don't do it. It's like just just yeah use a key. My parents are just like no use a key. My parents are just like no use a key. My parents are just like no use a key. Don't use this like doorbell use a key. Don't use this like doorbell use a key. Don't use this like doorbell thingy and whatever that opens the door thingy and whatever that opens the door thingy and whatever that opens the door automatically. Um so yeah you can't you automatically. Um so yeah you can't you automatically. Um so yeah you can't you don't have to to stand up from your don't have to to stand up from your don't have to to stand up from your couch when someone arrives. actually

couch when someone arrives. actually couch when someone arrives. actually don't go to the door if you can't well don't go to the door if you can't well don't go to the door if you can't well to that the person is not welcome. to that the person is not welcome. to that the person is not welcome. Yeah, it's um Yeah, it's um Yeah, it's um it's it's it's that that reminds me of uh when that that reminds me of uh when that that reminds me of uh when voicemail came out and I was trying to voicemail came out and I was trying to voicemail came out and I was trying to um many years a long time ago I was um many years a long time ago I was um many years a long time ago I was trying to get my father to get voicemail trying to get my father to get voicemail trying to get my father to get voicemail you know so the old phones they would you know so the old phones they would you know so the old phones they would have a busy signal he's like if I'm not have a busy signal he's like if I'm not have a busy signal he's like if I'm not there I'm I'm not home so that's it hold me back you know yeah exactly it hold me back you know yeah exactly All right. Well, before I sign off, my All right. Well, before I sign off, my All right. Well, before I sign off, my LinkedIn highlight of the week is Marbel LinkedIn highlight of the week is Marbel LinkedIn highlight of the week is Marbel Lopez asking me to fly to her home in Lopez asking me to fly to her home in Lopez asking me to fly to her home in Charleston to cook her dinner. Oh, there Charleston to cook her dinner. Oh, there Charleston to cook her dinner. Oh, there you go. That's I don't know. I guess I you go. That's I don't know. I guess I you go. That's I don't know. I guess I must be posting enough stuff about food. must be posting enough stuff about food. must be posting enough stuff about food. Yeah, I think so. But it it's working. Yeah, I think so. But it it's working. Yeah, I think so. But it it's working. So, I'm going to be a chef. I'm a chef So, I'm going to be a chef. I'm a chef So, I'm going to be a chef. I'm a chef now. Yeah, there you go. You can be a now. Yeah, there you go. You can be a now. Yeah, there you go. You can be a chef. You're going out there to do a chef. You're going out there to do a chef. You're going out there to do a smash burger and wine. Yes, those go smash burger and wine. Yes, those go smash burger and wine. Yes, those go perfectly together. Absolutely.

perfectly together. Absolutely. perfectly together. Absolutely. All right, man. See you guys later. All right, man. See you guys later. All right, man. See you guys later. Thanks. All right. Thanks. Bye-bye. Um crap. I was going to say something. Um crap. I was going to say something. Um Um Um not important. not important. not important. Oh, no. Solutions because we we do a lot Oh, no. Solutions because we we do a lot Oh, no. Solutions because we we do a lot of whining and bitching on our show. Um of whining and bitching on our show. Um of whining and bitching on our show. Um but one of the things I I I think as as but one of the things I I I think as as but one of the things I I I think as as all these threats start to uh expand and all these threats start to uh expand and all these threats start to uh expand and accelerate and become accelerate and become accelerate and become democratized and um highly microtargeted democratized and um highly microtargeted democratized and um highly microtargeted to individuals even to individuals even to individuals even um you know I think operators uh you um you know I think operators uh you um you know I think operators uh you know telecoms have a great opportunity know telecoms have a great opportunity know telecoms have a great opportunity if they can get their own security if they can get their own security if they can get their own security uh you know game up uh to provide uh you know game up uh to provide uh you know game up uh to provide protection that's a huge protection that's a huge protection that's a huge great service and I think a way that great service and I think a way that great service and I think a way that they can differentiate because not they can differentiate because not they can differentiate because not everyone can be a Bill Pew, right? And everyone can be a Bill Pew, right? And everyone can be a Bill Pew, right? And and the same goes for enterprises and so and the same goes for enterprises and so and the same goes for enterprises and so I think security is going to just be a I think security is going to just be a I think security is going to just be a and trust trust is going to are those and trust trust is going to are those and trust trust is going to are those are two things that are going to be huge are two things that are going to be huge are two things that are going to be huge opportunities for operators that they opportunities for operators that they opportunities for operators that they can get their game together and stop can get their game together and stop can get their game together and stop getting hacked. They themselves are getting hacked. They themselves are getting hacked. They themselves are getting hacked like crazy, right? But getting hacked like crazy, right? But getting hacked like crazy, right? But that I mean but you got I mean the thing that I mean but you got I mean the thing that I mean but you got I mean the thing about it is like they and not everyone about it is like they and not everyone about it is like they and not everyone has to be the IoT coffee talk group has to be the IoT coffee talk group has to be the IoT coffee talk group crew. Practice a little bit crew. Practice a little bit crew. Practice a little bit of hygiene about your connected devices

of hygiene about your connected devices of hygiene about your connected devices and systems in your home and and and and systems in your home and and and and systems in your home and and and there literally are like a a list of there literally are like a a list of there literally are like a a list of steps and they're really not steps and they're really not steps and they're really not complicated. But what happens is people complicated. But what happens is people complicated. But what happens is people want to press the easy button. Oh, I want to press the easy button. Oh, I want to press the easy button. Oh, I went with Comcast. I've got the Comcast went with Comcast. I've got the Comcast went with Comcast. I've got the Comcast router. Okay. So, do you know what ports router. Okay. So, do you know what ports router. Okay. So, do you know what ports are open? Oh, well uh uh no you don't are open? Oh, well uh uh no you don't are open? Oh, well uh uh no you don't because they're going to be the ones because they're going to be the ones because they're going to be the ones managing which means they have a managing which means they have a managing which means they have a management port that's open for them. management port that's open for them. management port that's open for them. Oh, that might be 8080. Yeah. So, you Oh, that might be 8080. Yeah. So, you Oh, that might be 8080. Yeah. So, you might want to shut that off. Yeah. Yeah. might want to shut that off. Yeah. Yeah. might want to shut that off. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, yeah, but like we're You know, I mean, yeah, but like we're You know, I mean, yeah, but like we're talking gibberish here. Like we're talking gibberish here. Like we're talking gibberish here. Like we're talking to John Doe who has no IT talking to John Doe who has no IT talking to John Doe who has no IT background and actually they should have background and actually they should have background and actually they should have an interface that is that is secure by an interface that is that is secure by an interface that is that is secure by default and it shouldn't be use it default and it shouldn't be use it default and it shouldn't be use it shouldn't be the the operator's problem. shouldn't be the the operator's problem. shouldn't be the the operator's problem. The operator is an operator like in a The operator is an operator like in a The operator is an operator like in a factory in a factory you're asking the factory in a factory you're asking the factory in a factory you're asking the operator to operate right not to operator to operate right not to operator to operate right not to understand you know what's going on understand you know what's going on understand you know what's going on under the hood not all of it at least under the hood not all of it at least under the hood not all of it at least right they need to understand really right they need to understand really right they need to understand really well the operation part um they they uh well the operation part um they they uh well the operation part um they they uh they don't need to understand you know they don't need to understand you know they don't need to understand you know that it's using canvas for communicating that it's using canvas for communicating that it's using canvas for communicating between that PLC and that robot arm um between that PLC and that robot arm um between that PLC and that robot arm um they they don't they don't care right they they don't they don't care right they they don't they don't care right because what they need is to understand because what they need is to understand because what they need is to understand how to program the PLC or how they how to program the PLC or how they how to program the PLC or how they interact with the UI try to make that interact with the UI try to make that interact with the UI try to make that robot on do something. So here you this robot on do something. So here you this robot on do something. So here you this the same thing you're telling someone the same thing you're telling someone the same thing you're telling someone who's a consumer that they need to who's a consumer that they need to who's a consumer that they need to understand how routing and firewalls and

understand how routing and firewalls and understand how routing and firewalls and so all is working well they just want to so all is working well they just want to so all is working well they just want to control the temperature from their phone control the temperature from their phone control the temperature from their phone so that they can set it higher before so that they can set it higher before so that they can set it higher before getting home. I would I would gladly put getting home. I would I would gladly put getting home. I would I would gladly put together a list of 10 things that every together a list of 10 things that every together a list of 10 things that every person should do to make sure that that person should do to make sure that that person should do to make sure that that the that part of it, the router and the the that part of it, the router and the the that part of it, the router and the and the gateway that is your door. Yeah. and the gateway that is your door. Yeah. and the gateway that is your door. Yeah. I I think I think I agree with you, I I think I think I agree with you, I I think I think I agree with you, Bill. What I'm saying I think is is that Bill. What I'm saying I think is is that Bill. What I'm saying I think is is that they should not need to do it. Like we they should not need to do it. Like we they should not need to do it. Like we we should have an industry that should we should have an industry that should we should have an industry that should have that by default and that should be have that by default and that should be have that by default and that should be regulated to do it by default. that you regulated to do it by default. that you regulated to do it by default. that you should not be allowed to ship to a should not be allowed to ship to a should not be allowed to ship to a consumer a product that is not flogged consumer a product that is not flogged consumer a product that is not flogged down. Yeah. Well, and that and but what down. Yeah. Well, and that and but what down. Yeah. Well, and that and but what they how do they do how do they do that? they how do they do how do they do that? they how do they do how do they do that? How do they drive people to the point How do they drive people to the point How do they drive people to the point where people are like, "Ah, I don't want where people are like, "Ah, I don't want where people are like, "Ah, I don't want to worry about that. I'll trust you. I to worry about that. I'll trust you. I to worry about that. I'll trust you. I will trust you." and and you know and will trust you." and and you know and will trust you." and and you know and then all of a sudden you know when then all of a sudden you know when then all of a sudden you know when something happens that it's a service something happens that it's a service something happens that it's a service call it's a service opportunity for them call it's a service opportunity for them call it's a service opportunity for them to understand the behavior of their to understand the behavior of their to understand the behavior of their customers that that but that's what I'm customers that that but that's what I'm customers that that but that's what I'm saying it is an opportunity and you know saying it is an opportunity and you know saying it is an opportunity and you know there's there's a there's a lot of there's there's a there's a lot of there's there's a there's a lot of operators that are aware of this it's operators that are aware of this it's operators that are aware of this it's just taking it down to the trust level just taking it down to the trust level just taking it down to the trust level and then extending the service to a and then extending the service to a and then extending the service to a point where you can help them start with point where you can help them start with point where you can help them start with a zero trust configuration and then uh a zero trust configuration and then uh a zero trust configuration and then uh continue to maintain that as they like continue to maintain that as they like continue to maintain that as they like as you were saying, Bill, they open up as you were saying, Bill, they open up as you were saying, Bill, they open up ports and they configure their gateway

ports and they configure their gateway ports and they configure their gateway that uh number one allows them to that uh number one allows them to that uh number one allows them to maintain their security by default um maintain their security by default um maintain their security by default um while exposing their network to while exposing their network to while exposing their network to essential and um you know consented uh essential and um you know consented uh essential and um you know consented uh you know exposure to the internet, you know exposure to the internet, you know exposure to the internet, right? I I think that's the opportunity right? I I think that's the opportunity right? I I think that's the opportunity right now. It's not like that is like right now. It's not like that is like right now. It's not like that is like you're saying you when you when you get you're saying you when you when you get you're saying you when you when you get when you get that gateway delivered to when you get that gateway delivered to when you get that gateway delivered to or router delivered to your home, it's or router delivered to your home, it's or router delivered to your home, it's delivered as a open door, right? Yes. delivered as a open door, right? Yes. delivered as a open door, right? Yes. And that's that that's the problem. But And that's that that's the problem. But And that's that that's the problem. But then what we've been talking about um then what we've been talking about um then what we've been talking about um for quite some time on IoT Coffee Talk for quite some time on IoT Coffee Talk for quite some time on IoT Coffee Talk is the the whole um awareness gap, is the the whole um awareness gap, is the the whole um awareness gap, especially for consumers, they're just especially for consumers, they're just especially for consumers, they're just not going to be able to bridge it cuz I not going to be able to bridge it cuz I not going to be able to bridge it cuz I don't even think people most people don't even think people most people don't even think people most people don't even know what a freaking gateway don't even know what a freaking gateway don't even know what a freaking gateway is or a router. Do you know what I'm is or a router. Do you know what I'm is or a router. Do you know what I'm saying? Much less are able to configure saying? Much less are able to configure saying? Much less are able to configure it. And so, um you know, being able to it. And so, um you know, being able to it. And so, um you know, being able to somehow position trust beyond just somehow position trust beyond just somehow position trust beyond just security, right? being able to position security, right? being able to position security, right? being able to position um yourself as a provider of trust.

um yourself as a provider of trust. um yourself as a provider of trust. That's important, but it starts with That's important, but it starts with That's important, but it starts with security. If you can't if you can't um security. If you can't if you can't um security. If you can't if you can't um secure your customers data to the you're secure your customers data to the you're secure your customers data to the you're never going to be able to become that never going to be able to become that never going to be able to become that trusted entity, right? And that's where trusted entity, right? And that's where trusted entity, right? And that's where like if these operators are not putting like if these operators are not putting like if these operators are not putting security absolutely first in everything security absolutely first in everything security absolutely first in everything which they should be doing and it and to which they should be doing and it and to which they should be doing and it and to your point uh uh you know Olivier it your point uh uh you know Olivier it your point uh uh you know Olivier it should it is and should be regulated or should it is and should be regulated or should it is and should be regulated or it should be regulated even more. Um it should be regulated even more. Um it should be regulated even more. Um we're we're not going to have that we're we're not going to have that we're we're not going to have that infrastructure that will that will um I infrastructure that will that will um I infrastructure that will that will um I don't want to say save don't want to say save don't want to say save um we're so close to Easter so maybe I um we're so close to Easter so maybe I um we're so close to Easter so maybe I don't know. Yeah, I will use that. Well, don't know. Yeah, I will use that. Well, don't know. Yeah, I will use that. Well, after the music you play to start the after the music you play to start the after the music you play to start the show here. Talk about Yeah. salvation show here. Talk about Yeah. salvation show here. Talk about Yeah. salvation from all of this like bad stuff out from all of this like bad stuff out from all of this like bad stuff out there. Um you need to to have that there. Um you need to to have that there. Um you need to to have that security security security capability. Um otherwise um there is no capability. Um otherwise um there is no capability. Um otherwise um there is no salvation and and Leonard it it it is at salvation and and Leonard it it it is at salvation and and Leonard it it it is at all level. The opportunity is not just all level. The opportunity is not just all level. The opportunity is not just at the final level of an OEM selling to at the final level of an OEM selling to at the final level of an OEM selling to the consumer. It also is at all the the consumer. It also is at all the the consumer. It also is at all the other layers as in hyperscalers other layers as in hyperscalers other layers as in hyperscalers providing pass or SAS or and and they providing pass or SAS or and and they providing pass or SAS or and and they need to instrument things so that the need to instrument things so that the need to instrument things so that the OEMs or whoever is building that OEMs or whoever is building that OEMs or whoever is building that solution have the have ways to implement solution have the have ways to implement solution have the have ways to implement a real security policy and and and a real security policy and and and a real security policy and and and update their search or rotate them and update their search or rotate them and update their search or rotate them and all of the things right so the platform all of the things right so the platform all of the things right so the platform builders they need to offer that to the

builders they need to offer that to the builders they need to offer that to the OEMs who are building the devices for OEMs who are building the devices for OEMs who are building the devices for the consumers it's not just that last the consumers it's not just that last the consumers it's not just that last mile that needs to be you know looking mile that needs to be you know looking mile that needs to be you know looking at that opportunity for securing at that opportunity for securing at that opportunity for securing everything. Uh they the same way the everything. Uh they the same way the everything. Uh they the same way the consumer the operator should not have to consumer the operator should not have to consumer the operator should not have to care about it. The implementtor of the care about it. The implementtor of the care about it. The implementtor of the solution should be able to just leverage solution should be able to just leverage solution should be able to just leverage an existing set of tools to implement an existing set of tools to implement an existing set of tools to implement the right security architecture and the right security architecture and the right security architecture and policies and do governance with toolings policies and do governance with toolings policies and do governance with toolings that it provided by this provider that that it provided by this provider that that it provided by this provider that they trust. Right. And and we're back at they trust. Right. And and we're back at they trust. Right. And and we're back at it. trust is is at all levels, right? it. trust is is at all levels, right? it. trust is is at all levels, right? Where where it it it's not just for the Where where it it it's not just for the Where where it it it's not just for the final uh step, final mile. But that but final uh step, final mile. But that but final uh step, final mile. But that but that's not just it's not just them. It's that's not just it's not just them. It's that's not just it's not just them. It's all service providers that being your all service providers that being your all service providers that being your utility, your city, as well as all the utility, your city, as well as all the utility, your city, as well as all the ones that sit underneath that. So, I'm I ones that sit underneath that. So, I'm I ones that sit underneath that. So, I'm I mean, you know, it's weird because in a mean, you know, it's weird because in a mean, you know, it's weird because in a lot of instances, I find myself arguing lot of instances, I find myself arguing lot of instances, I find myself arguing against the stuff that I do, which is against the stuff that I do, which is against the stuff that I do, which is which is why I make sure that, you know, which is why I make sure that, you know, which is why I make sure that, you know, if I'm saying that, I damn well better if I'm saying that, I damn well better if I'm saying that, I damn well better be doing it. But, but you're you're be doing it. But, but you're you're be doing it. But, but you're you're actually not you're not doing that as actually not you're not doing that as actually not you're not doing that as long as you're putting like what you're long as you're putting like what you're long as you're putting like what you're saying, Bill, security and privacy first saying, Bill, security and privacy first saying, Bill, security and privacy first by design. Yes. But like the perfect by design. Yes. But like the perfect by design. Yes. But like the perfect example, I know that Apple got panned example, I know that Apple got panned example, I know that Apple got panned for this because they backed out a lot for this because they backed out a lot for this because they backed out a lot of the Apple intelligence features.

of the Apple intelligence features. of the Apple intelligence features. Number one, they were foolish for not Number one, they were foolish for not Number one, they were foolish for not sticking to the thoughtful approach to sticking to the thoughtful approach to sticking to the thoughtful approach to AI, generative AI, right? They went off AI, generative AI, right? They went off AI, generative AI, right? They went off of that path and started doing all the of that path and started doing all the of that path and started doing all the ridiculous stuff like everyone else. Um ridiculous stuff like everyone else. Um ridiculous stuff like everyone else. Um but the fact that they they paused and but the fact that they they paused and but the fact that they they paused and they did ask the question is this is they did ask the question is this is they did ask the question is this is this um a privacy um first approach that this um a privacy um first approach that this um a privacy um first approach that we're taking because we're finding a lot we're taking because we're finding a lot we're taking because we're finding a lot of challenges right uh with all this of challenges right uh with all this of challenges right uh with all this personalization stuff that they intended personalization stuff that they intended personalization stuff that they intended to do with let's what is it the p with to do with let's what is it the p with to do with let's what is it the p with their private uh security secure cloud their private uh security secure cloud their private uh security secure cloud this um you know distributed edge this um you know distributed edge this um you know distributed edge architecture that they architecture that they architecture that they um that you know taking a step back and um that you know taking a step back and um that you know taking a step back and really um you know contemplating whether really um you know contemplating whether really um you know contemplating whether or not this thing is safe that that is or not this thing is safe that that is or not this thing is safe that that is what we should be uh you know a lot of what we should be uh you know a lot of what we should be uh you know a lot of companies should be doing that's an companies should be doing that's an companies should be doing that's an example of a company that is taking a example of a company that is taking a example of a company that is taking a hit right a PR hit um for the sake of uh hit right a PR hit um for the sake of uh hit right a PR hit um for the sake of uh you know protecting the privacy and you know protecting the privacy and you know protecting the privacy and ensuring that their services uh that the ensuring that their services uh that the ensuring that their services uh that the services they put out and for their services they put out and for their services they put out and for their customers are quote unquote safe and you customers are quote unquote safe and you customers are quote unquote safe and you know are delivered as responsible know are delivered as responsible know are delivered as responsible generative AI solutions. Um, as long as generative AI solutions. Um, as long as generative AI solutions. Um, as long as you're doing that, man, we shouldn't be you're doing that, man, we shouldn't be you're doing that, man, we shouldn't be maligning anybody like including True maligning anybody like including True maligning anybody like including True North for um, you know, highlighting the

North for um, you know, highlighting the North for um, you know, highlighting the issue, but then also showcasing that, issue, but then also showcasing that, issue, but then also showcasing that, hey, number one, we know what the frigin hey, number one, we know what the frigin hey, number one, we know what the frigin hell the problem is, but number two, we hell the problem is, but number two, we hell the problem is, but number two, we have a solution, and here's our have a solution, and here's our have a solution, and here's our approach. This is how we go about doing approach. This is how we go about doing approach. This is how we go about doing it. This is how we've architected where it. This is how we've architected where it. This is how we've architected where we're protecting your security, your we're protecting your security, your we're protecting your security, your privacy, and we are instilling trust in privacy, and we are instilling trust in privacy, and we are instilling trust in every single solution that we provide to every single solution that we provide to every single solution that we provide to our customers. I think that's a freaking our customers. I think that's a freaking our customers. I think that's a freaking winning combination, man. winning combination, man. winning combination, man. Well, I mean, it it's funny because we Well, I mean, it it's funny because we Well, I mean, it it's funny because we make it a point, you know, when I mean, make it a point, you know, when I mean, make it a point, you know, when I mean, we get questioned all the time. We're we get questioned all the time. We're we get questioned all the time. We're talking about the solution. It's like, talking about the solution. It's like, talking about the solution. It's like, oh, by the way, do you anonymize data? oh, by the way, do you anonymize data? oh, by the way, do you anonymize data? I'm like, there's no such thing. Yeah, I'm like, there's no such thing. Yeah, I'm like, there's no such thing. Yeah, we don't we just don't collect it. We we don't we just don't collect it. We we don't we just don't collect it. We don't touch it. don't touch it. don't touch it. See, that's that. See, that's that's See, that's that. See, that's that's See, that's that. See, that's that's crazy. And so, you know, I mean, look at crazy. And so, you know, I mean, look at crazy. And so, you know, I mean, look at what happened to Microsoft and recall. what happened to Microsoft and recall. what happened to Microsoft and recall. They didn't do those things. Um they They didn't do those things. Um they They didn't do those things. Um they they pushed out this thing into like, they pushed out this thing into like, they pushed out this thing into like, you know, private beta or whatever the you know, private beta or whatever the you know, private beta or whatever the hell they were calling it and then hell they were calling it and then hell they were calling it and then forget everyone beat up beat them up forget everyone beat up beat them up forget everyone beat up beat them up about it. Good think about like the PR about it. Good think about like the PR about it. Good think about like the PR damage that had it actually undermined damage that had it actually undermined damage that had it actually undermined the entire co-pilot plus PCM.

the entire co-pilot plus PCM. the entire co-pilot plus PCM. I mean I mean good that that's it's a I mean I mean good that that's it's a I mean I mean good that that's it's a lesson all that MPU power compute all lesson all that MPU power compute all lesson all that MPU power compute all those 40 tops plus it's because of those 40 tops plus it's because of those 40 tops plus it's because of recall. There's nothing else that uses recall. There's nothing else that uses recall. There's nothing else that uses that much MPU compute. No one can figure that much MPU compute. No one can figure that much MPU compute. No one can figure it out. they why you need all that MPU it out. they why you need all that MPU it out. they why you need all that MPU compute other than recall and then they compute other than recall and then they compute other than recall and then they screw everything up by you know that screw everything up by you know that screw everything up by you know that that's that's a good point. Okay, so that's that's a good point. Okay, so that's that's a good point. Okay, so real quick cuz I know I know we only got real quick cuz I know I know we only got real quick cuz I know I know we only got a few minutes left but I got a question a few minutes left but I got a question a few minutes left but I got a question for Debbie cuz Debbie you weren't at GTC for Debbie cuz Debbie you weren't at GTC for Debbie cuz Debbie you weren't at GTC were you? were you? were you? No, she's not there. You're on mute. No, she's not there. You're on mute. No, she's not there. You're on mute. You're on mute. No, no, I wasn't. Okay, You're on mute. No, no, I wasn't. Okay, You're on mute. No, no, I wasn't. Okay, so Leonard, you saw all the avatars so Leonard, you saw all the avatars so Leonard, you saw all the avatars there, right? Oh, yeah. So here's the there, right? Oh, yeah. So here's the there, right? Oh, yeah. So here's the question that I have. When they're doing question that I have. When they're doing question that I have. When they're doing that, they have to train those models, that, they have to train those models, that, they have to train those models, right? They have to they literally uh uh right? They have to they literally uh uh right? They have to they literally uh uh prompting has to be done, you know, prompting has to be done, you know, prompting has to be done, you know, appropriately and without bias and all appropriately and without bias and all appropriately and without bias and all of that good stuff. But what I'm of that good stuff. But what I'm of that good stuff. But what I'm wondering about is that that camera, wondering about is that that camera, wondering about is that that camera, that image sensor that's there that that image sensor that's there that that image sensor that's there that you're interacting with, they go on a I you're interacting with, they go on a I you're interacting with, they go on a I I have to assume because I I no one will I have to assume because I I no one will I have to assume because I I no one will give me the answer. They have to go on a give me the answer. They have to go on a give me the answer. They have to go on a onetoone. The person that's interacting.

onetoone. The person that's interacting. onetoone. The person that's interacting. What about the people that are behind What about the people that are behind What about the people that are behind you? you? you? Yeah, they No, they have no Yeah, they No, they have no Yeah, they No, they have no rights. They have no say, no rights, no rights. They have no say, no rights, no rights. They have no say, no rights, no nothing. See, that's that's what bothers nothing. See, that's that's what bothers nothing. See, that's that's what bothers me. me. me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As it should. As Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As it should. As Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As it should. As it should. Right. Exactly. So, the um it should. Right. Exactly. So, the um it should. Right. Exactly. So, the um because the US especially, we're more because the US especially, we're more because the US especially, we're more consumer rights driven. If you're not a consumer rights driven. If you're not a consumer rights driven. If you're not a consumer, they you don't really have consumer, they you don't really have consumer, they you don't really have rights to privacy. So, if you're on a rights to privacy. So, if you're on a rights to privacy. So, if you're on a camera, you're the consumer, you may camera, you're the consumer, you may camera, you're the consumer, you may have more rights than the person or have more rights than the person or have more rights than the person or people in the background or people who people in the background or people who people in the background or people who are using those devices that are not the are using those devices that are not the are using those devices that are not the person that bought it. That see that person that bought it. That see that person that bought it. That see that right there, those are the things that right there, those are the things that right there, those are the things that I'm like to me. So, people are like, I'm like to me. So, people are like, I'm like to me. So, people are like, "Well, you you you have access to that "Well, you you you have access to that "Well, you you you have access to that data." I said, "Uh, let's be clear. What data." I said, "Uh, let's be clear. What data." I said, "Uh, let's be clear. What the what the twin does is it monitors the what the twin does is it monitors the what the twin does is it monitors the health of that the health of that the health of that device. Period." Yeah. Right.

device. Period." Yeah. Right. device. Period." Yeah. Right. Temperature, energy use, all of those Temperature, energy use, all of those Temperature, energy use, all of those types of things so that we can update types of things so that we can update types of things so that we can update here's, you know, you need to go out and here's, you know, you need to go out and here's, you know, you need to go out and service this thing. You need to do this service this thing. You need to do this service this thing. You need to do this with this thing. We're not interacting with this thing. We're not interacting with this thing. We're not interacting with, oh, wait a minute. We just saw six with, oh, wait a minute. We just saw six with, oh, wait a minute. We just saw six people in the background and this is who people in the background and this is who people in the background and this is who they are. Nope. Don't have anything to they are. Nope. Don't have anything to they are. Nope. Don't have anything to do with that. do with that. do with that. Yeah, man. You know, we should come up Yeah, man. You know, we should come up Yeah, man. You know, we should come up with a IoT coffee talk um list of top 10 with a IoT coffee talk um list of top 10 with a IoT coffee talk um list of top 10 things to do to become a privacy first things to do to become a privacy first things to do to become a privacy first uh solution provider. uh solution provider. uh solution provider. That' be kind of cool. Okay, let's do That' be kind of cool. Okay, let's do That' be kind of cool. Okay, let's do it. Okay, let's do it. That would be it. Okay, let's do it. That would be it. Okay, let's do it. That would be easy. Um yeah, I'll put something out easy. Um yeah, I'll put something out easy. Um yeah, I'll put something out and see, you know, who wants to and see, you know, who wants to and see, you know, who wants to contribute and then we'll just pop it contribute and then we'll just pop it contribute and then we'll just pop it out there and, you know, then people out there and, you know, then people out there and, you know, then people won't accuse us of being, you know, won't accuse us of being, you know, won't accuse us of being, you know, talking all the time. talking all the time. talking all the time. Yeah, I'm happy to do it. Yeah, Yeah, I'm happy to do it. Yeah, Yeah, I'm happy to do it. Yeah, definitely. I mean, as a matter of fact, definitely. I mean, as a matter of fact, definitely. I mean, as a matter of fact, in Debbie's white paper, that was what in Debbie's white paper, that was what in Debbie's white paper, that was what that was the what I just talked about that was the what I just talked about that was the what I just talked about was the exact use case that I put in was the exact use case that I put in was the exact use case that I put in there. Okay, let's do this. Oh, there. Okay, let's do this. Oh, there. Okay, let's do this. Oh, excellent. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, excellent. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, excellent. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, we're up on time. We have one minute.

we're up on time. We have one minute. we're up on time. We have one minute. And so, I'll I'll close this out just And so, I'll I'll close this out just And so, I'll I'll close this out just for the sake of convenience, right? for the sake of convenience, right? for the sake of convenience, right? Because we all love convenience. And we Because we all love convenience. And we Because we all love convenience. And we want to thank everyone for tuning in up want to thank everyone for tuning in up want to thank everyone for tuning in up to this point. If you made it this far, to this point. If you made it this far, to this point. If you made it this far, you are part of you are part of you are part of 0.001% of the entire population in the 0.001% of the entire population in the 0.001% of the entire population in the earth who has done so. So, earth who has done so. So, earth who has done so. So, congratulations. That's awesome. Yeah. congratulations. That's awesome. Yeah. congratulations. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate it. Uh but uh yes, once Yeah. Appreciate it. Uh but uh yes, once Yeah. Appreciate it. Uh but uh yes, once again this week uh we're dropping all again this week uh we're dropping all again this week uh we're dropping all kinds of knowledge around and kinds of knowledge around and kinds of knowledge around and perspective around security, trust and perspective around security, trust and perspective around security, trust and privacy. It's so essential for the IoT privacy. It's so essential for the IoT privacy. It's so essential for the IoT which we think is going to be have a which we think is going to be have a which we think is going to be have a resurgence which will make all of us resurgence which will make all of us resurgence which will make all of us happy right I mean this time hopefully happy right I mean this time hopefully happy right I mean this time hopefully it won't be totally ridiculous and it won't be totally ridiculous and it won't be totally ridiculous and nonsensical and will completely nonsensical and will completely nonsensical and will completely disregard all these ridiculous forecasts disregard all these ridiculous forecasts disregard all these ridiculous forecasts that promise exponential XYZ and we'll that promise exponential XYZ and we'll that promise exponential XYZ and we'll focus on value and the solutions but um focus on value and the solutions but um focus on value and the solutions but um anyways we do all of this for the love anyways we do all of this for the love anyways we do all of this for the love of the kids okay so we have a charity of the kids okay so we have a charity of the kids okay so we have a charity it's called elevate our kids at www it's called elevate our kids at www it's called elevate our kids at www ww.elevate ww.elevate ww.elevate ourkids.org and the mission of elevate ourkids.org and the mission of elevate ourkids.org and the mission of elevate our kids is to bridge the digital divide our kids is to bridge the digital divide our kids is to bridge the digital divide for kids K through 12. So these are for kids K through 12. So these are for kids K through 12. So these are children, these are not adults that children, these are not adults that children, these are not adults that we're trying to help. Um, these are we're trying to help. Um, these are we're trying to help. Um, these are those precious kids, the essential those precious kids, the essential those precious kids, the essential resources for the future of our digital resources for the future of our digital resources for the future of our digital and AI enabled economy that we are and AI enabled economy that we are and AI enabled economy that we are trying to help because, you know,

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