IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 207 - Kimchee IoT

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there they had uh Kingdom Come uh there they had uh Kingdom Come uh doin yeah like freaking uh oh scorpions doin yeah like freaking uh oh scorpions doin yeah like freaking uh oh scorpions yeah those guys are great yeah scorpions yeah those guys are great yeah scorpions yeah those guys are great yeah scorpions are that's legit they're legit yeah are that's legit they're legit yeah are that's legit they're legit yeah people don't listen don't seem to listen people don't listen don't seem to listen people don't listen don't seem to listen to them anymore or at least you don't to them anymore or at least you don't to them anymore or at least you don't hear their songs as often yeah but man hear their songs as often yeah but man hear their songs as often yeah but man they had some great Tunes I say you know they had some great Tunes I say you know they had some great Tunes I say you know Still Loving You Do You Remember That Still Loving You Do You Remember That Still Loving You Do You Remember That Tune people yeah no I don't remember Tune people yeah no I don't remember Tune people yeah no I don't remember it's like you go and listen to it it's like you go and listen to it it's like you go and listen to it there's an active scorpion subreddit somewhere concert tapes from like oh somewhere concert tapes from like oh remember this one in ' 82 you know remember this one in ' 82 you know remember this one in ' 82 you know 82 do you have Copenhagen 82 that's 82 do you have Copenhagen 82 that's 82 do you have Copenhagen 82 that's right now today today everybody's using right now today today everybody's using right now today today everybody's using Doan for software containers Doan for software containers Doan for software containers oh oh oh that's they really pivoted you that's they really pivoted you that's they really pivoted you know quite hard there from Hard Rock to know quite hard there from Hard Rock to know quite hard there from Hard Rock to uh container cncf containers but you uh container cncf containers but you uh container cncf containers but you know good for that yeah hey um so Pete know good for that yeah hey um so Pete know good for that yeah hey um so Pete oddly you can't hear you that well what oddly you can't hear you that well what oddly you can't hear you that well what the hell can't hear when does that ever the hell can't hear when does that ever the hell can't hear when does that ever happen oh my God oh my God and I love happen oh my God oh my God and I love happen oh my God oh my God and I love your shirt Bill oh my God that's is your shirt Bill oh my God that's is your shirt Bill oh my God that's is awesome did you make that you had to awesome did you make that you had to awesome did you make that you had to have made that up that's of course dude have made that up that's of course dude have made that up that's of course dude that's awesome you know that's the that's awesome you know that's the that's awesome you know that's the equation solve the equ that is where I equation solve the equ that is where I equation solve the equ that is where I know that's where you're really making know that's where you're really making know that's where you're really making all your money is making these cool

all your money is making these cool all your money is making these cool shirts that sound a little better by the shirts that sound a little better by the shirts that sound a little better by the way huh that sound a little better no it way huh that sound a little better no it way huh that sound a little better no it I mean usually you're like up in I mean usually you're like up in I mean usually you're like up in everyone's face and now it's like you everyone's face and now it's like you everyone's face and now it's like you you're out in the distance somewhere but you're out in the distance somewhere but you're out in the distance somewhere but yes um hey everyone while uh Pete's yes um hey everyone while uh Pete's yes um hey everyone while uh Pete's working on his technical difficulties working on his technical difficulties working on his technical difficulties exactly uh welcome to iot Coffee Talk exactly uh welcome to iot Coffee Talk exactly uh welcome to iot Coffee Talk where we talk all kinds of stuff about where we talk all kinds of stuff about where we talk all kinds of stuff about all kinds of stuff related to Tech and all kinds of stuff related to Tech and all kinds of stuff related to Tech and maybe sometimes iot maybe and um yeah maybe sometimes iot maybe and um yeah maybe sometimes iot maybe and um yeah maybe and full disclosure here this is maybe and full disclosure here this is maybe and full disclosure here this is our Safe Harbor statement take us our Safe Harbor statement take us our Safe Harbor statement take us seriously at your own risk please we are seriously at your own risk please we are seriously at your own risk please we are here to have fun and we do it every week here to have fun and we do it every week here to have fun and we do it every week because it is fun and we love just because it is fun and we love just because it is fun and we love just chatting about the latest in Tech and chatting about the latest in Tech and chatting about the latest in Tech and you know hopefully through that process you know hopefully through that process you know hopefully through that process sharing some insights that's that are sharing some insights that's that are sharing some insights that's that are going to help you as a practitioner that going to help you as a practitioner that going to help you as a practitioner that help you as a business leader are going help you as a business leader are going help you as a business leader are going to help you as a technology leader and to help you as a technology leader and to help you as a technology leader and uh yeah remember uh you know we're all uh yeah remember uh you know we're all uh yeah remember uh you know we're all about elevating our kids at www. elevar about elevating our kids at www. elevar about elevating our kids at www. elevar kids.com we're always uh trying to get kids.com we're always uh trying to get kids.com we're always uh trying to get folks to donate to this wonderful cause folks to donate to this wonderful cause folks to donate to this wonderful cause where we're trying to bridge the digital where we're trying to bridge the digital where we're trying to bridge the digital Equity divide for kids uh K through 12 Equity divide for kids uh K through 12 Equity divide for kids uh K through 12 uh who are um are living in um you know uh who are um are living in um you know uh who are um are living in um you know underserved and unserved communities and

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it super cool amazing City super clean it super cool amazing City super clean incredible food uh the local kimchi is incredible food uh the local kimchi is incredible food uh the local kimchi is what's up and and lots of little what's up and and lots of little what's up and and lots of little antennas behind bunch of bending antennas behind bunch of bending antennas behind bunch of bending machines and automated machines ah the machines and automated machines ah the machines and automated machines ah the iot you found you found the iot every iot you found you found the iot every iot you found you found the iot every time every time my wife turned and I'm time every time my wife turned and I'm time every time my wife turned and I'm like okay let me go geek out and take a like okay let me go geek out and take a like okay let me go geek out and take a picture of this uh lots of visible uh picture of this uh lots of visible uh picture of this uh lots of visible uh WiFi and cellular kit um at the station WiFi and cellular kit um at the station WiFi and cellular kit um at the station level like super apparent but I mean it level like super apparent but I mean it level like super apparent but I mean it was gave me a little bit of anxiety was gave me a little bit of anxiety was gave me a little bit of anxiety because like it was reachable and I'm because like it was reachable and I'm because like it was reachable and I'm like but they don't do that stuff there like but they don't do that stuff there like but they don't do that stuff there it's it's cool that's for the public you it's it's cool that's for the public you it's it's cool that's for the public you don't mess with that it's don't mess with that it's don't mess with that it's okay yeah wow and one example of um I okay yeah wow and one example of um I okay yeah wow and one example of um I wouldn't go fullon smart home on it but wouldn't go fullon smart home on it but wouldn't go fullon smart home on it but the building that we were staying on we the building that we were staying on we the building that we were staying on we had a key card uh to access the building had a key card uh to access the building had a key card uh to access the building and when you get to the door that um and when you get to the door that um and when you get to the door that um separates the elevator Bay when you separates the elevator Bay when you separates the elevator Bay when you swipe it will call the elevator for you swipe it will call the elevator for you swipe it will call the elevator for you and just that just you know cuz you're and just that just you know cuz you're and just that just you know cuz you're going to the elevator Bay it's the only going to the elevator Bay it's the only going to the elevator Bay it's the only thing you can do get into an elevator it thing you can do get into an elevator it thing you can do get into an elevator it would call it for you and I'm like would call it for you and I'm like would call it for you and I'm like someone thought about this I love it someone thought about this I love it someone thought about this I love it that's awesome wow are you thinking that's awesome wow are you thinking that's awesome wow are you thinking should we all move to should we all move to should we all move to Korea um you know um I don't know Korea um you know um I don't know Korea um you know um I don't know everyone is different but I can Ray for everyone is different but I can Ray for everyone is different but I can Ray for days about the ease of the Metro the days about the ease of the Metro the days about the ease of the Metro the cleanliness of the Metro

cleanliness of the Metro cleanliness of the Metro um the localized apps because Google um the localized apps because Google um the localized apps because Google Maps is not it's not the go-to app in Maps is not it's not the go-to app in Maps is not it's not the go-to app in that locality so you know that took a that locality so you know that took a that locality so you know that took a while to get accustomed while to get accustomed while to get accustomed to um and I don't know the pollution was to um and I don't know the pollution was to um and I don't know the pollution was an issue the aqi was not great um for a an issue the aqi was not great um for a an issue the aqi was not great um for a couple of days that that we were there couple of days that that we were there couple of days that that we were there um you know and there's certain neighbor um you know and there's certain neighbor um you know and there's certain neighbor to blame not saying names saying to blame not saying names saying to blame not saying names saying who who who um you know I'll say this Rob amazing um you know I'll say this Rob amazing um you know I'll say this Rob amazing country to visit uh you know it's it's country to visit uh you know it's it's country to visit uh you know it's it's like a different world U out there in like a different world U out there in like a different world U out there in many in many good ways and we had a we many in many good ways and we had a we many in many good ways and we had a we had a great time highly recommend it and had a great time highly recommend it and had a great time highly recommend it and it's also the first Vietnam well there's it's also the first Vietnam well there's it's also the first Vietnam well there's a Korea war memorial that's you know a Korea war memorial that's you know a Korea war memorial that's you know pretty big over there that reminded me pretty big over there that reminded me pretty big over there that reminded me of the our you know many Vietnam of the our you know many Vietnam of the our you know many Vietnam memorials that we have here in the US memorials that we have here in the US memorials that we have here in the US super cool yeah I think you're in Soul super cool yeah I think you're in Soul super cool yeah I think you're in Soul right yes right yes right yes sir well I'll tell you back in the day sir well I'll tell you back in the day sir well I'll tell you back in the day it was not like that it was uh super it was not like that it was uh super it was not like that it was uh super super dirty um you know not clean um you super dirty um you know not clean um you super dirty um you know not clean um you would see U like soot sweating down would see U like soot sweating down would see U like soot sweating down buildings back in the day and they've buildings back in the day and they've buildings back in the day and they've changed everything you couldn't go changed everything you couldn't go changed everything you couldn't go swimming in the Han River um you would swimming in the Han River um you would swimming in the Han River um you would probably if you jumped in probably half probably if you jumped in probably half probably if you jumped in probably half of you would come out so wow like the of you would come out so wow like the of you would come out so wow like the toxic Adventure toxic Aventure there you toxic Adventure toxic Aventure there you toxic Adventure toxic Aventure there you go

yeah nobody would fish in it nobody yeah nobody would fish in it nobody would swim in it you see boats and you would swim in it you see boats and you would swim in it you see boats and you know it goes to show you that you know know it goes to show you that you know know it goes to show you that you know um if if you you as a a society put your um if if you you as a a society put your um if if you you as a a society put your mind to it you can you could drastically mind to it you can you could drastically mind to it you can you could drastically clean up uh and make your your uh clean up uh and make your your uh clean up uh and make your your uh country habitable CU back in back then country habitable CU back in back then country habitable CU back in back then man the pollution was so bad it you know man the pollution was so bad it you know man the pollution was so bad it you know uh it was like Beijing you know or what uh it was like Beijing you know or what uh it was like Beijing you know or what the problems that they have in China and the problems that they have in China and the problems that they have in China and so um and I mean you know I always think so um and I mean you know I always think so um and I mean you know I always think back to LA as well I mean you used to back to LA as well I mean you used to back to LA as well I mean you used to look out um across um the LA Basin and look out um across um the LA Basin and look out um across um the LA Basin and you couldn't see you couldn't see you couldn't see it you know um but you know um with all it you know um but you know um with all it you know um but you know um with all this climate change stuff going on I this climate change stuff going on I this climate change stuff going on I guess that's like th those uh historical guess that's like th those uh historical guess that's like th those uh historical reminders are glimmers of hope that yeah reminders are glimmers of hope that yeah reminders are glimmers of hope that yeah we can make a huge difference with we can make a huge difference with we can make a huge difference with technology policy and and doing technology policy and and doing technology policy and and doing something about it because you know it something about it because you know it something about it because you know it wasn't last week right rob you you put wasn't last week right rob you you put wasn't last week right rob you you put out that post uh that basically slammed out that post uh that basically slammed out that post uh that basically slammed everybody who was just Green Green Day everybody who was just Green Green Day everybody who was just Green Green Day Green Day Earth Day right yeah happy Green Day Earth Day right yeah happy Green Day Earth Day right yeah happy Earth Day everybody it's awesome we're Earth Day everybody it's awesome we're Earth Day everybody it's awesome we're killing it yeah but um I mean man it was killing it yeah but um I mean man it was killing it yeah but um I mean man it was like I I it was barely livable man and like I I it was barely livable man and like I I it was barely livable man and people had asthma everybody had as just

people had asthma everybody had as just people had asthma everybody had as just terrible I don't know I thought the city terrible I don't know I thought the city terrible I don't know I thought the city leaders in Los Angeles said that brown leaders in Los Angeles said that brown leaders in Los Angeles said that brown air had more nutrients in it it was good air had more nutrients in it it was good air had more nutrients in it it was good for you you know I mean your lungs would for you you know I mean your lungs would for you you know I mean your lungs would burn if you you know even in Orange burn if you you know even in Orange burn if you you know even in Orange County I grew up in Orange County if you County I grew up in Orange County if you County I grew up in Orange County if you went jogging or you're part of the track went jogging or you're part of the track went jogging or you're part of the track team after the day was over your your team after the day was over your your team after the day was over your your lungs used to burn lungs used to burn lungs used to burn you know it was the it was the Sriracha you know it was the it was the Sriracha you know it was the it was the Sriracha it was the Sriracha Factor it was the it was the Sriracha Factor it was the it was the Sriracha Factor it was the Sriracha well I don't think they had Sriracha well I don't think they had Sriracha well I don't think they had imported that stuff yet into the country imported that stuff yet into the country imported that stuff yet into the country kind of like Iberian ham you know it kind of like Iberian ham you know it kind of like Iberian ham you know it took a while for Iberian ham to actually took a while for Iberian ham to actually took a while for Iberian ham to actually make it on the shores of the US yeah make it on the shores of the US yeah make it on the shores of the US yeah iuca it took a lot of tourists going to iuca it took a lot of tourists going to iuca it took a lot of tourists going to Barcelona to go oh maybe this is a Barcelona to go oh maybe this is a Barcelona to go oh maybe this is a thing that's what happened iot is thing that's what happened iot is thing that's what happened iot is uh example that you know makes me think uh example that you know makes me think uh example that you know makes me think of when of when of when technology impacts culture so the at technology impacts culture so the at technology impacts culture so the at every station I mean and I we moved every station I mean and I we moved every station I mean and I we moved quite a bit so I think I didn't visit quite a bit so I think I didn't visit quite a bit so I think I didn't visit 100% of the stations but 100% of the 100% of the stations but 100% of the 100% of the stations but 100% of the stations I did travel in uh the accuracy stations I did travel in uh the accuracy stations I did travel in uh the accuracy of the arrival of the train was was of the arrival of the train was was of the arrival of the train was was perfect meaning the track something is perfect meaning the track something is perfect meaning the track something is sensorized um so there was always a sensorized um so there was always a sensorized um so there was always a screen telling you how long for which screen telling you how long for which screen telling you how long for which train in which direction we show up train in which direction we show up train in which direction we show up and that uh the train has a precise

and that uh the train has a precise and that uh the train has a precise place in the platform to stop now folks place in the platform to stop now folks place in the platform to stop now folks if you're listening to this in New York if you're listening to this in New York if you're listening to this in New York City or maybe in Baltimore I know this City or maybe in Baltimore I know this City or maybe in Baltimore I know this sounds insane but just hear me out sounds insane but just hear me out sounds insane but just hear me out there's a there's a specific stop where there's a there's a specific stop where there's a there's a specific stop where the train stops and there's signs on the the train stops and there's signs on the the train stops and there's signs on the floor telling you what the flow of the floor telling you what the flow of the floor telling you what the flow of the passengers should be so in South Korea passengers should be so in South Korea passengers should be so in South Korea people exit the train through the middle people exit the train through the middle people exit the train through the middle of the door so they kind of go middle of the door so they kind of go middle of the door so they kind of go middle past and left and right and then people past and left and right and then people past and left and right and then people wait to the right and left of the door wait to the right and left of the door wait to the right and left of the door pick their head in and when no one's pick their head in and when no one's pick their head in and when no one's coming they go in it's it was incredible coming they go in it's it was incredible coming they go in it's it was incredible and I think they're uh they're used to and I think they're uh they're used to and I think they're uh they're used to the signage of the arrival of the train the signage of the arrival of the train the signage of the arrival of the train keep everyone calm and they're used to keep everyone calm and they're used to keep everyone calm and they're used to the signage on the floor that says this the signage on the floor that says this the signage on the floor that says this is a youi board and uh also shocking a is a youi board and uh also shocking a is a youi board and uh also shocking a New Yorker no one's talking it was quiet New Yorker no one's talking it was quiet New Yorker no one's talking it was quiet it was quiet every time I heard somebody it was quiet every time I heard somebody it was quiet every time I heard somebody it was Westerner it was one of us no way it was Westerner it was one of us no way it was Westerner it was one of us no way yapping super cool yeah you know it yapping super cool yeah you know it yapping super cool yeah you know it wasn't always like that like that's all wasn't always like that like that's all wasn't always like that like that's all I got to say so I hear I left change I got to say so I hear I left change I got to say so I hear I left change great experience because change over great experience because change over great experience because change over time is possible change can happen it time is possible change can happen it time is possible change can happen it was kind of like when Rocky had to fight was kind of like when Rocky had to fight was kind of like when Rocky had to fight against Ivan Drago in Russia and at the against Ivan Drago in Russia and at the against Ivan Drago in Russia and at the end he's like if I could change and you end he's like if I could change and you end he's like if I could change and you can change and we can all can change and we can all can change and we can all change I don't care if he

dies I'm still mad that you killed dies I'm still mad that you killed Apollo but years in the future I will Apollo but years in the future I will Apollo but years in the future I will train his train his train his son we'll beat up your son oh my gosh yeah son oh my gosh yeah yeah so in other exciting news I'm now yeah so in other exciting news I'm now yeah so in other exciting news I'm now officially officially officially unemployed unemployed unemployed oh wow that's always exciting not you're oh wow that's always exciting not you're oh wow that's always exciting not you're semi-retired that's what I meant to say semi-retired that's what I meant to say semi-retired that's what I meant to say bill is I'm bill is I'm bill is I'm semi-retired AG that's good yeah yeah semi-retired AG that's good yeah yeah semi-retired AG that's good yeah yeah yeah good times uh you should build H yeah good times uh you should build H yeah good times uh you should build H you should build uh an AI uh you should build uh an AI uh you should build uh an AI uh greenwashing company Rob uh it will greenwashing company Rob uh it will greenwashing company Rob uh it will create automated message me in that will create automated message me in that will create automated message me in that will show how companies that are not doing show how companies that are not doing show how companies that are not doing anything to protect the environment are anything to protect the environment are anything to protect the environment are doing things to protect the environment doing things to protect the environment doing things to protect the environment it doesn't have to be validated it just it doesn't have to be validated it just it doesn't have to be validated it just needs to put out greenwashing messaging needs to put out greenwashing messaging needs to put out greenwashing messaging you'll make millions tomorrow you know you'll make millions tomorrow you know you'll make millions tomorrow you know what that's the smartest thing I've what that's the smartest thing I've what that's the smartest thing I've heard all day heard all day heard all day um because all this love and all these um because all this love and all these um because all this love and all these ideas to help companies do the right ideas to help companies do the right ideas to help companies do the right thing it's falling on many deaf thing it's falling on many deaf thing it's falling on many deaf ears but I know if you had a ears but I know if you had a ears but I know if you had a greenwashing business they'd be like greenwashing business they'd be like greenwashing business they'd be like yeah we're all in we'll pay money for yeah we're all in we'll pay money for yeah we're all in we'll pay money for that just that just that just like I saw a post earlier or I guess it like I saw a post earlier or I guess it like I saw a post earlier or I guess it was last week whatever uh woman was last week whatever uh woman was last week whatever uh woman presenting I guess at the embedded presenting I guess at the embedded presenting I guess at the embedded conference she was just talking about conference she was just talking about conference she was just talking about how hack how hacked iot devices are you

how hack how hacked iot devices are you how hack how hacked iot devices are you know like 5,000 a day or whatever just know like 5,000 a day or whatever just know like 5,000 a day or whatever just crazy just the taxs and everything and crazy just the taxs and everything and crazy just the taxs and everything and she was reading she was reading she was reading about how much money they're making about how much money they're making about how much money they're making doing iot and then how much money the doing iot and then how much money the doing iot and then how much money the hackers are making like it's a multi- hackers are making like it's a multi- hackers are making like it's a multi- trillion dollar business whatever and trillion dollar business whatever and trillion dollar business whatever and she was like I'm on the wrong team I'm she was like I'm on the wrong team I'm she was like I'm on the wrong team I'm on the wrong side oh yeah yeah yeah it's on the wrong side oh yeah yeah yeah it's on the wrong side oh yeah yeah yeah it's like the money is in those guys you I'm like the money is in those guys you I'm like the money is in those guys you I'm like yeah so I think you're right about like yeah so I think you're right about like yeah so I think you're right about the greenwashing company yeah by the way the greenwashing company yeah by the way the greenwashing company yeah by the way you know just to that point Rob I mean I you know just to that point Rob I mean I you know just to that point Rob I mean I Heard lots of customers that I work with Heard lots of customers that I work with Heard lots of customers that I work with we talk about this is a lot of the we talk about this is a lot of the we talk about this is a lot of the Brownfield you know deployments out Brownfield you know deployments out Brownfield you know deployments out there of equipment and a lot of them there of equipment and a lot of them there of equipment and a lot of them have very religious you know opinions uh have very religious you know opinions uh have very religious you know opinions uh about connecting to the cloud and you about connecting to the cloud and you about connecting to the cloud and you know if you there's a billion mcus know if you there's a billion mcus know if you there's a billion mcus whatever billions of MCU the vast vast whatever billions of MCU the vast vast whatever billions of MCU the vast vast majority of them 90% don't connect to majority of them 90% don't connect to majority of them 90% don't connect to anything and and on purpose because anything and and on purpose because anything and and on purpose because they're still concerned about privacy they're still concerned about privacy they're still concerned about privacy and hacking and the security isn't there and hacking and the security isn't there and hacking and the security isn't there so until that gets resolved you're going so until that gets resolved you're going so until that gets resolved you're going to air gap a lot of stuff and all these to air gap a lot of stuff and all these to air gap a lot of stuff and all these ideas about Telemetry and stuff it just ideas about Telemetry and stuff it just ideas about Telemetry and stuff it just doesn't work and the CEO is going to be doesn't work and the CEO is going to be doesn't work and the CEO is going to be scratching their head saying why don't I scratching their head saying why don't I scratching their head saying why don't I know about anything and know about anything and know about anything and it or OT person is going to say because it or OT person is going to say because it or OT person is going to say because we can't connect to the cloud because we can't connect to the cloud because we can't connect to the cloud because we're worried about you know yeah we're worried about you know yeah we're worried about you know yeah attacks yeah it's a real big deal it's a attacks yeah it's a real big deal it's a attacks yeah it's a real big deal it's a huge volume of airap stuff out there huge volume of airap stuff out there huge volume of airap stuff out there that's just never hasn't been connected that's just never hasn't been connected that's just never hasn't been connected and you know maybe it won't never be and you know maybe it won't never be and you know maybe it won't never be connected but you know what why why not connected but you know what why why not connected but you know what why why not modernize that you know introduce int

modernize that you know introduce int modernize that you know introduce int intelligence to the airgap environments intelligence to the airgap environments intelligence to the airgap environments you know I mean that's why you we have you know I mean that's why you we have you know I mean that's why you we have all all all this all this technology this all this technology this all this technology that be deployed at the edge I you know that be deployed at the edge I you know that be deployed at the edge I you know what I'm what I'm what I'm saying it's this mindset that maybe call saying it's this mindset that maybe call saying it's this mindset that maybe call it brainwashing that everything has to it brainwashing that everything has to it brainwashing that everything has to be uh you know put connected to the CL be uh you know put connected to the CL be uh you know put connected to the CL you can the edge you evolve the a air you can the edge you evolve the a air you can the edge you evolve the a air gapped environment and then maybe what gapped environment and then maybe what gapped environment and then maybe what within secure environments like that within secure environments like that within secure environments like that completely zero trust I mean you can completely zero trust I mean you can completely zero trust I mean you can Implement zero trust in that kind of Implement zero trust in that kind of Implement zero trust in that kind of domain mhm domain mhm domain mhm yeah there's nothing stopping folks yeah there's nothing stopping folks yeah there's nothing stopping folks right now the tech is there to do on right now the tech is there to do on right now the tech is there to do on Prem you know reasonably powerful you Prem you know reasonably powerful you Prem you know reasonably powerful you know cncf style you know uh Ser server know cncf style you know uh Ser server know cncf style you know uh Ser server environments or serverless environments environments or serverless environments environments or serverless environments on Prem or near Prem that are totally on Prem or near Prem that are totally on Prem or near Prem that are totally air gapped right and then and with that air gapped right and then and with that air gapped right and then and with that and private networks or Wi-Fi then you and private networks or Wi-Fi then you and private networks or Wi-Fi then you know you can you can get it done you know you can you can get it done you know you can you can get it done you know without without those kinds of know without without those kinds of know without without those kinds of security risks um and then then you have security risks um and then then you have security risks um and then then you have really control over that one point of really control over that one point of really control over that one point of where that could connect to the CL and where that could connect to the CL and where that could connect to the CL and like the stuff that you you guys you like the stuff that you you guys you like the stuff that you you guys you guys are doing at tiny ml man that that guys are doing at tiny ml man that that guys are doing at tiny ml man that that takes things to the next level you know takes things to the next level you know takes things to the next level you know I I saw this chart by tsmc talking about I I saw this chart by tsmc talking about I I saw this chart by tsmc talking about how you know uh AI Computing all of a how you know uh AI Computing all of a how you know uh AI Computing all of a sudden hit this like freaking you know sudden hit this like freaking you know sudden hit this like freaking you know exponential uh inflection point actually exponential uh inflection point actually exponential uh inflection point actually that's not true it's still Moors law

that's not true it's still Moors law that's not true it's still Moors law Bound in other words it's still a linear Bound in other words it's still a linear Bound in other words it's still a linear progression it didn't all of a sudden progression it didn't all of a sudden progression it didn't all of a sudden take off when you look at the chart the take off when you look at the chart the take off when you look at the chart the reason why it looks like it takes off is reason why it looks like it takes off is reason why it looks like it takes off is because some creative uh statistics that because some creative uh statistics that because some creative uh statistics that they embedded into this graph or I'll they embedded into this graph or I'll they embedded into this graph or I'll call it even misguided call it even misguided call it even misguided representations it ends up being data representations it ends up being data representations it ends up being data type you're going from in you know like type you're going from in you know like type you're going from in you know like floating Point 16 Precision to floating Point 16 Precision to floating Point 16 Precision to four that has nothing to do with silicon four that has nothing to do with silicon four that has nothing to do with silicon but that's what you guys do right you're but that's what you guys do right you're but that's what you guys do right you're compressing you're you're um you know compressing you're you're um you know compressing you're you're um you know making I mean that that that's what that making I mean that that that's what that making I mean that that that's what that that FP um you know the FP 4 and the in that FP um you know the FP 4 and the in that FP um you know the FP 4 and the in whatever four that's why you guys are whatever four that's why you guys are whatever four that's why you guys are are pursuing that stuff right is hey are pursuing that stuff right is hey are pursuing that stuff right is hey folks don't hire lard Lee to be a folks don't hire lard Lee to be a folks don't hire lard Lee to be a consultant he doesn't know what he's consultant he doesn't know what he's consultant he doesn't know what he's saying he's got if I'm gonna get that F4 saying he's got if I'm gonna get that F4 saying he's got if I'm gonna get that F4 and the and the and the lp it's not really it's more law the lp it's not really it's more law the lp it's not really it's more law the software didn't get better no actually software didn't get better no actually software didn't get better no actually that it's not really even well kind of that it's not really even well kind of that it's not really even well kind of not really even what no I mean seriously I mean you know what no I mean seriously I mean you know the the problem is is people think it's the the problem is is people think it's the the problem is is people think it's the Silicon it's not right but you know the Silicon it's not right but you know the Silicon it's not right but you know getting the getting you know there's no getting the getting you know there's no getting the getting you know there's no reason why I mean we they were showing reason why I mean we they were showing reason why I mean we they were showing off a demo I think the tiny ml folks are

off a demo I think the tiny ml folks are off a demo I think the tiny ml folks are showing off a demo of running a large showing off a demo of running a large showing off a demo of running a large language model on Raspberry Pi you you language model on Raspberry Pi you you language model on Raspberry Pi you you know so it's actually not even comput know so it's actually not even comput know so it's actually not even comput it's not really tops bound a lot of it's not really tops bound a lot of it's not really tops bound a lot of language models are not tops bound language models are not tops bound language models are not tops bound they're memory bound they're Ram bound they're memory bound they're Ram bound they're memory bound they're Ram bound so you know there's no no reason why you so you know there's no no reason why you so you know there's no no reason why you couldn't run these kinds of models these couldn't run these kinds of models these couldn't run these kinds of models these Transformers and other things on Prem or Transformers and other things on Prem or Transformers and other things on Prem or on equipment you know and the issue is on equipment you know and the issue is on equipment you know and the issue is the ram so Ram is expensive can be but the ram so Ram is expensive can be but the ram so Ram is expensive can be but you know you don't need a Blackwell you you know you don't need a Blackwell you you know you don't need a Blackwell you know to figure out um you know how to know to figure out um you know how to know to figure out um you know how to measure all of your equipment on your measure all of your equipment on your measure all of your equipment on your Refinery and stuff so there's two you Refinery and stuff so there's two you Refinery and stuff so there's two you know there's two of points to this you know there's two of points to this you know there's two of points to this you have um now again all of these air have um now again all of these air have um now again all of these air gapped non-cloud connected very little gapped non-cloud connected very little gapped non-cloud connected very little infrastructure systems continue not to infrastructure systems continue not to infrastructure systems continue not to get hacked because right they they don't get hacked because right they they don't get hacked because right they they don't exist you kind of have to go over there exist you kind of have to go over there exist you kind of have to go over there I mean there is the option of yeah I mean there is the option of yeah I mean there is the option of yeah physical and sociological hacking right physical and sociological hacking right physical and sociological hacking right but that aside right that aide with no but that aside right that aide with no but that aside right that aide with no social engineering and no rogue agent in social engineering and no rogue agent in social engineering and no rogue agent in there like they're okay uh but I think there like they're okay uh but I think there like they're okay uh but I think long-term issue that I I don't I don't long-term issue that I I don't I don't long-term issue that I I don't I don't know maybe I'm reading in the wrong know maybe I'm reading in the wrong know maybe I'm reading in the wrong places what I don't read much about is places what I don't read much about is places what I don't read much about is that you know the people maintaining that you know the people maintaining that you know the people maintaining these systems uh with this correct for these systems uh with this correct for these systems uh with this correct for now but outdated thinking from an now but outdated thinking from an now but outdated thinking from an architecture perspective you know what architecture perspective you know what architecture perspective you know what happens when the new wave comes in uh happens when the new wave comes in uh happens when the new wave comes in uh you know like I think the patch you know like I think the patch you know like I think the patch mode yes just like that okay the b52s

mode yes just like that okay the b52s mode yes just like that okay the b52s but I mean you know yeah examples of you but I mean you know yeah examples of you but I mean you know yeah examples of you know maybe using tiny ml or or something know maybe using tiny ml or or something know maybe using tiny ml or or something like on on like on on like on on Prem there's enough evidence of standing Prem there's enough evidence of standing Prem there's enough evidence of standing up a parallel up a parallel up a parallel Network to literally to start with a Network to literally to start with a Network to literally to start with a machine to see if you can deliver a zero machine to see if you can deliver a zero machine to see if you can deliver a zero trust architecture and instead of going trust architecture and instead of going trust architecture and instead of going for the whole Refinery you can literally for the whole Refinery you can literally for the whole Refinery you can literally say we're going to take this piece of say we're going to take this piece of say we're going to take this piece of the control system we're going to put on the control system we're going to put on the control system we're going to put on this parallel Network that is connected this parallel Network that is connected this parallel Network that is connected to the cloud and we're going to do to the cloud and we're going to do to the cloud and we're going to do things and then you have and we have a things and then you have and we have a things and then you have and we have a bunch of friends doing the following bunch of friends doing the following bunch of friends doing the following then you have all of the external iot then you have all of the external iot then you have all of the external iot devices that do not utilize the local devices that do not utilize the local devices that do not utilize the local network and do not plug in into the network and do not plug in into the network and do not plug in into the control system right and we get into control system right and we get into control system right and we get into vibration data or you know temperature vibration data or you know temperature vibration data or you know temperature data or whatever and in a sense that is data or whatever and in a sense that is data or whatever and in a sense that is not a security risk because well I can't not a security risk because well I can't not a security risk because well I can't access your controls and I'm not using access your controls and I'm not using access your controls and I'm not using your network I'm just telling you that your network I'm just telling you that your network I'm just telling you that this vfd is not doing what it's supposed this vfd is not doing what it's supposed this vfd is not doing what it's supposed to and I sent you an SMS to somebody's to and I sent you an SMS to somebody's to and I sent you an SMS to somebody's phone there that we see phone there that we see phone there that we see quite yeah it's sort of like there's quite yeah it's sort of like there's quite yeah it's sort of like there's like the totally disconnected right like the totally disconnected right like the totally disconnected right which we have the air gap we have these which we have the air gap we have these which we have the air gap we have these sometimes connected so don't forget sometimes connected so don't forget sometimes connected so don't forget about that you're in a situation where about that you're in a situation where about that you're in a situation where you don't have a good high performance you don't have a good high performance you don't have a good high performance connectivity right and it's occasionally connectivity right and it's occasionally connectivity right and it's occasionally connected or for whatever reason cost connected or for whatever reason cost connected or for whatever reason cost reasons location reasons then there's

reasons location reasons then there's reasons location reasons then there's the always connected and so you really the always connected and so you really the always connected and so you really need to think about as a company like need to think about as a company like need to think about as a company like what is your situation and then how do what is your situation and then how do what is your situation and then how do you do that by mitigating risk and you do that by mitigating risk and you do that by mitigating risk and mitigating cost by the way and yeah now mitigating cost by the way and yeah now mitigating cost by the way and yeah now these days I mean it's impressive how these days I mean it's impressive how these days I mean it's impressive how much you can do on you know pretty much you can do on you know pretty much you can do on you know pretty straight forward you know silicon and straight forward you know silicon and straight forward you know silicon and and devices that are pretty easily and devices that are pretty easily and devices that are pretty easily accessible you don't necessarily need accessible you don't necessarily need accessible you don't necessarily need like I said to rent out blackw time on like I said to rent out blackw time on like I said to rent out blackw time on Cor weave to do your stuff and and Cor weave to do your stuff and and Cor weave to do your stuff and and you're right I mean the issue is you do you're right I mean the issue is you do you're right I mean the issue is you do that kind of investment on Prem now that kind of investment on Prem now that kind of investment on Prem now you're sort of that's a capex spend it's you're sort of that's a capex spend it's you're sort of that's a capex spend it's not a software it's a service spend and not a software it's a service spend and not a software it's a service spend and then you might need to upgrade blah blah then you might need to upgrade blah blah then you might need to upgrade blah blah so the one of the benefits obviously of so the one of the benefits obviously of so the one of the benefits obviously of going with cloud is that elastic sort of going with cloud is that elastic sort of going with cloud is that elastic sort of always updated thing um but you know always updated thing um but you know always updated thing um but you know maybe that's not really necessary for maybe that's not really necessary for maybe that's not really necessary for for your operation too so people just for your operation too so people just for your operation too so people just need to know that there's choices out need to know that there's choices out need to know that there's choices out there and every day lot of nuces to all there and every day lot of nuces to all there and every day lot of nuces to all of that though right I mean zero trust of that though right I mean zero trust of that though right I mean zero trust is applicable not all the time is applicable not all the time is applicable not all the time um you know there's there's just so many um you know there's there's just so many um you know there's there's just so many like you said there are so many options like you said there are so many options like you said there are so many options so many different choices and I think it so many different choices and I think it so many different choices and I think it has to really be predicated Again by has to really be predicated Again by has to really be predicated Again by what problem are you what problem are you what problem are you solving and and I mean because you can solving and and I mean because you can solving and and I mean because you can start layering this stuff on and your start layering this stuff on and your start layering this stuff on and your overhead becomes so overhead becomes so overhead becomes so heavy that it's impossible to manage heavy that it's impossible to manage heavy that it's impossible to manage yeah the manage yeah management cost is yeah the manage yeah management cost is yeah the manage yeah management cost is something you have to factor in if something you have to factor in if something you have to factor in if you're going to kind of do it all on you're going to kind of do it all on you're going to kind of do it all on Prem you know you got somebody's on the

Prem you know you got somebody's on the Prem you know you got somebody's on the hook to manage all that and keep it all hook to manage all that and keep it all hook to manage all that and keep it all up to date and all this other stuff and up to date and all this other stuff and up to date and all this other stuff and so yeah you're right people have to so yeah you're right people have to so yeah you're right people have to weigh the what the problem is they're weigh the what the problem is they're weigh the what the problem is they're actually trying to solve how scalable is actually trying to solve how scalable is actually trying to solve how scalable is the problem that they're trying to solve the problem that they're trying to solve the problem that they're trying to solve but I just point that there's a lot more but I just point that there's a lot more but I just point that there's a lot more options there are a lot more options options there are a lot more options options there are a lot more options even this year than there were last year even this year than there were last year even this year than there were last year to do AI but but the the the other thing to do AI but but the the the other thing to do AI but but the the the other thing that I'm seeing that's being missed that I'm seeing that's being missed that I'm seeing that's being missed which is not a technology problem it's which is not a technology problem it's which is not a technology problem it's 100% a business problem and that is the 100% a business problem and that is the 100% a business problem and that is the cost to oper cost to oper cost to oper r i mean you know when you when you hear r i mean you know when you when you hear r i mean you know when you when you hear um so many of the oems come in and um so many of the oems come in and um so many of the oems come in and they're like you know our stuff is so they're like you know our stuff is so they're like you know our stuff is so low priced and we're you know we're low priced and we're you know we're low priced and we're you know we're budget friendly and all of these other budget friendly and all of these other budget friendly and all of these other things at the end of the day my last things at the end of the day my last things at the end of the day my last question is okay so what's my to what's question is okay so what's my to what's question is okay so what's my to what's my cost to operate this how many bodies my cost to operate this how many bodies my cost to operate this how many bodies do I have to throw at this to exactly do I have to throw at this to exactly do I have to throw at this to exactly make sure that I I'm I'm up and running make sure that I I'm I'm up and running make sure that I I'm I'm up and running and I'm getting the information that I need on on a self-serving iot comment need on on a self-serving iot comment and and just because um Pete's talking and and just because um Pete's talking and and just because um Pete's talking about Brownfield and maybe you know about Brownfield and maybe you know about Brownfield and maybe you know refineries and whatnot here here's the refineries and whatnot here here's the refineries and whatnot here here's the thing you know the folks that are out thing you know the folks that are out thing you know the folks that are out there looking and building new well there looking and building new well there looking and building new well sites like these are Masters at their sites like these are Masters at their sites like these are Masters at their craft like you know they're they're craft like you know they're they're craft like you know they're they're you're just not throwing a new site you're just not throwing a new site you're just not throwing a new site everywhere that's that's the fact that everywhere that's that's the fact that everywhere that's that's the fact that there's companies that do this there's companies that do this there's companies that do this incredibly well I would argue that and incredibly well I would argue that and incredibly well I would argue that and thinking about cost to operate when thinking about cost to operate when thinking about cost to operate when you're deployed deploying a new site and

you're deployed deploying a new site and you're deployed deploying a new site and let's just talk about uh I don't know let's just talk about uh I don't know let's just talk about uh I don't know drilling um maintenance if you would drilling um maintenance if you would drilling um maintenance if you would because there's a lot of moving Parts because there's a lot of moving Parts because there's a lot of moving Parts dude we all know that it's not crazy dude we all know that it's not crazy dude we all know that it's not crazy expensive if I'm looking at moving Parts expensive if I'm looking at moving Parts expensive if I'm looking at moving Parts drill bits or whatever to just go with drill bits or whatever to just go with drill bits or whatever to just go with an almost off-the-shelf Machine Vision an almost off-the-shelf Machine Vision an almost off-the-shelf Machine Vision application and I'm just looking for application and I'm just looking for application and I'm just looking for damage and that I would argue lowers my damage and that I would argue lowers my damage and that I would argue lowers my cost of operation because how do I do it cost of operation because how do I do it cost of operation because how do I do it without Tech I need bodies without Tech I need bodies without Tech I need bodies over there so I also think that there's over there so I also think that there's over there so I also think that there's things that we that are not done because things that we that are not done because things that we that are not done because of outdated thinking that if we're of outdated thinking that if we're of outdated thinking that if we're deployed again Machine Vision for you deployed again Machine Vision for you deployed again Machine Vision for you know Parts damage that absolutely has to know Parts damage that absolutely has to know Parts damage that absolutely has to lower the cost to operate because again lower the cost to operate because again lower the cost to operate because again I don't have people over there I just I don't have people over there I just I don't have people over there I just have sub machine couple you know one CPU have sub machine couple you know one CPU have sub machine couple you know one CPU so many inter connectivity and if it's so many inter connectivity and if it's so many inter connectivity and if it's not telling me anything that means not telling me anything that means not telling me anything that means there's nothing wrong and that's really there's nothing wrong and that's really there's nothing wrong and that's really efficient to operate efficient to operate efficient to operate no I I can agree with that I I mean that no I I can agree with that I I mean that no I I can agree with that I I mean that that that to me that's a first order that that to me that's a first order that that to me that's a first order problem you know it's it's why why are problem you know it's it's why why are problem you know it's it's why why are you doing this well I have two options I you doing this well I have two options I you doing this well I have two options I either put bodies over there or I allow either put bodies over there or I allow either put bodies over there or I allow technology to give me the information in technology to give me the information in technology to give me the information in you know in a fashion that that um you know in a fashion that that um you know in a fashion that that um alleviates the the need to put bodies alleviates the the need to put bodies alleviates the the need to put bodies there and which I think is that's a there and which I think is that's a there and which I think is that's a that's a smart use of of tech to solve that's a smart use of of tech to solve that's a smart use of of tech to solve that problem and and and I think and that problem and and and I think and that problem and and and I think and that's what's in a good way is that's what's in a good way is that's what's in a good way is triggering me cuz you know we I I think

triggering me cuz you know we I I think triggering me cuz you know we I I think we're used to we find a pro you know we're used to we find a pro you know we're used to we find a pro you know okay we identify a problem and we're okay we identify a problem and we're okay we identify a problem and we're going to study the problem we're going going to study the problem we're going going to study the problem we're going to solution the problem but back to a to solution the problem but back to a to solution the problem but back to a green field thing there are no problems green field thing there are no problems green field thing there are no problems I have all new equipment I've got the I have all new equipment I've got the I have all new equipment I've got the budget I'm going to put this thing into budget I'm going to put this thing into budget I'm going to put this thing into the ground and it should be operating the ground and it should be operating the ground and it should be operating for x amount of years with no problems for x amount of years with no problems for x amount of years with no problems and what I'm saying is that perhaps we and what I'm saying is that perhaps we and what I'm saying is that perhaps we should think of what could the problem should think of what could the problem should think of what could the problem be so I can deploy some tech now because be so I can deploy some tech now because be so I can deploy some tech now because even if the problem shows up in X years even if the problem shows up in X years even if the problem shows up in X years it will be cheaper than me throwing it will be cheaper than me throwing it will be cheaper than me throwing bodies to operate to avoid the problem bodies to operate to avoid the problem bodies to operate to avoid the problem that's what I'm drinking too much coffee that's what I'm drinking too much coffee that's what I'm drinking too much coffee no but okay so to that point it no but okay so to that point it no but okay so to that point it deploying deploying deploying Greenfield I'm gonna argue that you Greenfield I'm gonna argue that you Greenfield I'm gonna argue that you still have the same problems unless your still have the same problems unless your still have the same problems unless your mode of thinking has mode of thinking has mode of thinking has changed because the the the the changed because the the the the changed because the the the the operational flow of what you've been operational flow of what you've been operational flow of what you've been like you said these guys have been doing like you said these guys have been doing like you said these guys have been doing this for years and they're Masters at it this for years and they're Masters at it this for years and they're Masters at it how much of the workflow has has how much of the workflow has has how much of the workflow has has changed in oil field none right so you changed in oil field none right so you changed in oil field none right so you still have you still have the problem is still have you still have the problem is still have you still have the problem is now now you are either you are either now now you are either you are either now now you are either you are either knowingly solving it because you're knowingly solving it because you're knowingly solving it because you're saying well because of this saying well because of this saying well because of this technological advancement I no longer technological advancement I no longer technological advancement I no longer have to worry about that or I'm have to worry about that or I'm have to worry about that or I'm receiving the information as opposed to receiving the information as opposed to receiving the information as opposed to having to make a truck roll blah blah

having to make a truck roll blah blah having to make a truck roll blah blah blah blah blah so I think I think blah blah blah so I think I think blah blah blah so I think I think there's there's a lot that goes into the there's there's a lot that goes into the there's there's a lot that goes into the human Centric aspect of it which is we human Centric aspect of it which is we human Centric aspect of it which is we you know the the the old statement we you know the the the old statement we you know the the the old statement we always have done it this always have done it this always have done it this way so we're going to continue to do it way so we're going to continue to do it way so we're going to continue to do it this way just with new equipment I think this way just with new equipment I think this way just with new equipment I think Mr Vasquez is about ready to move to Mr Vasquez is about ready to move to Mr Vasquez is about ready to move to West West West Texas and and I think it's been great we Texas and and I think it's been great we Texas and and I think it's been great we could I think we should both move out could I think we should both move out could I think we should both move out there we'll have our little van that there we'll have our little van that there we'll have our little van that we're going to drive around green we're going to drive around green we're going to drive around green washing for oil companies on the side washing for oil companies on the side washing for oil companies on the side you know where do you want to live you know where do you want to live you know where do you want to live Midland or Odessa or Odessa or abene I so I haven't visited any of abene I so I haven't visited any of abene I so I haven't visited any of those places but you know close enough those places but you know close enough those places but you know close enough Stephanie and Bill like maybe in the Stephanie and Bill like maybe in the Stephanie and Bill like maybe in the middle of those two wherever that puts middle of those two wherever that puts middle of those two wherever that puts me sure let's go Friday night Friday me sure let's go Friday night Friday me sure let's go Friday night Friday Night Lights Night Lights Night Lights that's a real thing that's a real thing that's a real thing that's a real thing that's a real thing that's a real thing yeah absolutely that's good stuff I'm yeah absolutely that's good stuff I'm yeah absolutely that's good stuff I'm actually half serious I think we're g to actually half serious I think we're g to actually half serious I think we're g to move out to West Texas and we're going move out to West Texas and we're going move out to West Texas and we're going to do this stuff without disrupting to do this stuff without disrupting to do this stuff without disrupting their their their flow changing gears and uh so I was flow changing gears and uh so I was flow changing gears and uh so I was reading uh one name drop because we reading uh one name drop because we reading uh one name drop because we don't name drop here unless we're don't name drop here unless we're don't name drop here unless we're shaming and I'm not shaming so I'm not shaming and I'm not shaming so I'm not shaming and I'm not shaming so I'm not name drop yeah a provider of cbrs uh name drop yeah a provider of cbrs uh name drop yeah a provider of cbrs uh private wireless networks uh uh private wireless networks uh uh private wireless networks uh uh basically announced I haven't tested

basically announced I haven't tested basically announced I haven't tested anything but as we know around the coast anything but as we know around the coast anything but as we know around the coast of the US uh you know the military uh of the US uh you know the military uh of the US uh you know the military uh they have first dips for you know CBR they have first dips for you know CBR they have first dips for you know CBR spectrum and that means that if you're spectrum and that means that if you're spectrum and that means that if you're deploying a private Wireless Solution on deploying a private Wireless Solution on deploying a private Wireless Solution on CBR Spectrum it could interfere with CBR Spectrum it could interfere with CBR Spectrum it could interfere with your situation and there's nothing you your situation and there's nothing you your situation and there's nothing you can do about it because hey military can do about it because hey military can do about it because hey military first but they have figured out about a first but they have figured out about a first but they have figured out about a uh a neat way to avoid that interference uh a neat way to avoid that interference uh a neat way to avoid that interference without pissing off the military and I without pissing off the military and I without pissing off the military and I thought that was uh they've been talking thought that was uh they've been talking thought that was uh they've been talking about this thing for like five and a about this thing for like five and a about this thing for like five and a half years now we didn't have bunch of half years now we didn't have bunch of half years now we didn't have bunch of cbrs deployments five and a half years cbrs deployments five and a half years cbrs deployments five and a half years ago so who cared but as they keep ago so who cared but as they keep ago so who cared but as they keep popping up in locations next to uh you popping up in locations next to uh you popping up in locations next to uh you know military stations uh this is a huge know military stations uh this is a huge know military stations uh this is a huge win for anyone who uh I don't know win for anyone who uh I don't know win for anyone who uh I don't know didn't pull the trigger no pun intended didn't pull the trigger no pun intended didn't pull the trigger no pun intended fears for Fears of interference with fears for Fears of interference with fears for Fears of interference with their own network um and and now the their own network um and and now the their own network um and and now the next thing would be I I hope or I next thing would be I I hope or I next thing would be I I hope or I thinking half logically here that there thinking half logically here that there thinking half logically here that there will have to there will be situations will have to there will be situations will have to there will be situations where you have I don't know two where you have I don't know two where you have I don't know two Enterprises that maybe share a fence Enterprises that maybe share a fence Enterprises that maybe share a fence literal fence you know what happens when literal fence you know what happens when literal fence you know what happens when they both deploy their own private they both deploy their own private they both deploy their own private networks and they don't want you know networks and they don't want you know networks and they don't want you know somebody's device to go talk to the somebody's device to go talk to the somebody's device to go talk to the other network and what not so I think a other network and what not so I think a other network and what not so I think a lot of good things are going to come out lot of good things are going to come out lot of good things are going to come out of this uh advancement and you know I'm of this uh advancement and you know I'm of this uh advancement and you know I'm I'm happy for everyone

I'm happy for everyone I'm happy for everyone involved wow well okay I'll send you involved wow well okay I'll send you involved wow well okay I'll send you guys the link I have it here somewhere guys the link I have it here somewhere guys the link I have it here somewhere so they're not going to interfere they so they're not going to interfere they so they're not going to interfere they can go they can turn a knob it's like can go they can turn a knob it's like can go they can turn a knob it's like okay we're not interfering with navy okay we're not interfering with navy okay we're not interfering with navy radar or radar or radar or whatever that's what I whatever that's what I whatever that's what I read I'll believe it when I I'll believe read I'll believe it when I I'll believe read I'll believe it when I I'll believe it when I see it yeah was it on the internet I think Abraham Lincoln posted internet I think Abraham Lincoln posted it uh two days ago it must be it uh two days ago it must be it uh two days ago it must be true I love it I love it so most true I love it I love it so most true I love it I love it so most importantly how many of y'all have been importantly how many of y'all have been importantly how many of y'all have been watching Fallout on watching Fallout on watching Fallout on Amazon yeah started to watch you can't Amazon yeah started to watch you can't Amazon yeah started to watch you can't be a gamer and not watch that man Kathy be a gamer and not watch that man Kathy be a gamer and not watch that man Kathy and I Blaze do that that was so awesome and I Blaze do that that was so awesome and I Blaze do that that was so awesome that is so they really nailed it they that is so they really nailed it they that is so they really nailed it they did a great job and then as a result of did a great job and then as a result of did a great job and then as a result of the show being such a hit like it's like the show being such a hit like it's like the show being such a hit like it's like one of the biggest hits in Amazon Prime one of the biggest hits in Amazon Prime one of the biggest hits in Amazon Prime history guess what millions of people history guess what millions of people history guess what millions of people are now downloading and playing Fallout are now downloading and playing Fallout are now downloading and playing Fallout that had never played it before I guess that had never played it before I guess that had never played it before I guess that worked the marketing strategy that worked the marketing strategy that worked the marketing strategy worked right yeah yeah well didn't they worked right yeah yeah well didn't they worked right yeah yeah well didn't they they did it they did it again with uh they did it they did it again with uh they did it they did it again with uh another movie Twisted Metal another game another movie Twisted Metal another game another movie Twisted Metal another game that that one was good I talk about The that that one was good I talk about The that that one was good I talk about The Last of Us yeah yeah right right yeah

Last of Us yeah yeah right right yeah Last of Us yeah yeah right right yeah wow I saw the series before I play and wow I saw the series before I play and wow I saw the series before I play and that that was good yeah that was good I that that was good yeah that was good I that that was good yeah that was good I agree I agree so uh anyway there in our agree I agree so uh anyway there in our agree I agree so uh anyway there in our little pop culture segment of our show I little pop culture segment of our show I little pop culture segment of our show I was well I was gonna throw in a TV show was well I was gonna throw in a TV show was well I was gonna throw in a TV show I've been watching too which has nothing I've been watching too which has nothing I've been watching too which has nothing to do with tech but it's called Benjamin to do with tech but it's called Benjamin to do with tech but it's called Benjamin Franklin and it's on Apple TV Plus and Franklin and it's on Apple TV Plus and Franklin and it's on Apple TV Plus and Michael Douglas is the uh is the star I Michael Douglas is the uh is the star I Michael Douglas is the uh is the star I love that I saw the trailer for it I love that I saw the trailer for it I love that I saw the trailer for it I haven't watched it yet pretty intense haven't watched it yet pretty intense haven't watched it yet pretty intense pretty intense I mean Michael Douglas pretty intense I mean Michael Douglas pretty intense I mean Michael Douglas really makes it if you're a Michael really makes it if you're a Michael really makes it if you're a Michael Douglas fan which I am a fan I'm a fan Douglas fan which I am a fan I'm a fan Douglas fan which I am a fan I'm a fan was great and you know you got to get was great and you know you got to get was great and you know you got to get into it I think it was like five into it I think it was like five into it I think it was like five episodes now but very you know 1776 is episodes now but very you know 1776 is episodes now but very you know 1776 is like in France and he's kind of doing like in France and he's kind of doing like in France and he's kind of doing his thing and but yeah very Michael his thing and but yeah very Michael his thing and but yeah very Michael Douglas you know it's it's uh very Douglas you know it's it's uh very Douglas you know it's it's uh very intense intense intense think gonna happen when you send Gordon think gonna happen when you send Gordon think gonna happen when you send Gordon gecko to France right all kinds of crazy gecko to France right all kinds of crazy gecko to France right all kinds of crazy stuff he's gonna get what he needs and stuff he's gonna get what he needs and stuff he's gonna get what he needs and the French are gonna come help out the French are gonna come help out the French are gonna come help out because after he does that greed is good because after he does that greed is good because after he does that greed is good speech in that's right that goes over speech in that's right that goes over speech in that's right that goes over really well in France by the way L 1700s really well in France by the way L 1700s really well in France by the way L 1700s yeah I love that stuff didn't uh didn't yeah I love that stuff didn't uh didn't yeah I love that stuff didn't uh didn't Benjamin Franklin create the the Benjamin Franklin create the the Benjamin Franklin create the the lightning rod with a amazing data set lightning rod with a amazing data set lightning rod with a amazing data set that has been capturing data for for 400 that has been capturing data for for 400 that has been capturing data for for 400 years in America and we base all of the years in America and we base all of the years in America and we base all of the weather pattern predictions based on his weather pattern predictions based on his weather pattern predictions based on his invention well yes that's invention well yes that's invention well yes that's true wasn't just a kite and a key was

true wasn't just a kite and a key was true wasn't just a kite and a key was it oh and he created the post office he it oh and he created the post office he it oh and he created the post office he created a lot of things that people created a lot of things that people created a lot of things that people don't realize he created you know don't realize he created you know don't realize he created you know there's there's a Benjamin Franklin there's there's a Benjamin Franklin there's there's a Benjamin Franklin statue sitting on a bench uh in Eugene statue sitting on a bench uh in Eugene statue sitting on a bench uh in Eugene Oregon in front of one of the uh old Oregon in front of one of the uh old Oregon in front of one of the uh old USPS uh offices that's great that's USPS uh offices that's great that's USPS uh offices that's great that's great I love that wow you know well you great I love that wow you know well you great I love that wow you know well you gota yeah sorry go ahead I think of gota yeah sorry go ahead I think of gota yeah sorry go ahead I think of Benjamin Franklin if you think of him Benjamin Franklin if you think of him Benjamin Franklin if you think of him he's like the Merlin to the president to he's like the Merlin to the president to he's like the Merlin to the president to the founding fathers you know I mean he the founding fathers you know I mean he the founding fathers you know I mean he was like the wizard he was like the was like the wizard he was like the was like the wizard he was like the scientist figuring stuff he was like the scientist figuring stuff he was like the scientist figuring stuff he was like the original polymath you know yeah yeah original polymath you know yeah yeah original polymath you know yeah yeah absolutely wizard absolutely wizard absolutely wizard do you could you imagine the first time do you could you imagine the first time do you could you imagine the first time Mr Franklin Rose in with his newly Mr Franklin Rose in with his newly Mr Franklin Rose in with his newly manufactured by vocals and no one has manufactured by vocals and no one has manufactured by vocals and no one has seen that before and they're like whoa seen that before and they're like whoa seen that before and they're like whoa what's happening God and and they didn't what's happening God and and they didn't what's happening God and and they didn't have you know they weren't have the MAA have you know they weren't have the MAA have you know they weren't have the MAA Ray band so you know he wasn't recording Ray band so you know he wasn't recording Ray band so you know he wasn't recording anything he wasn't recording on the Ed anything he wasn't recording on the Ed anything he wasn't recording on the Ed there yeah okay that's awesome that is there yeah okay that's awesome that is there yeah okay that's awesome that is awesome so much love all right I'm awesome so much love all right I'm awesome so much love all right I'm totally gonna watch that because yeah totally gonna watch that because yeah totally gonna watch that because yeah I'm I'm a mega mega mega Michael well I'm I'm a mega mega mega Michael well I'm I'm a mega mega mega Michael well you know history uh repeats itself as you know history uh repeats itself as you know history uh repeats itself as you know so speaking of History actually you know so speaking of History actually you know so speaking of History actually Rob and I were still cranking through Rob and I were still cranking through Rob and I were still cranking through this uh magnum opus called the Windows this uh magnum opus called the Windows this uh magnum opus called the Windows Phone WTF nine-part history might turn

Phone WTF nine-part history might turn Phone WTF nine-part history might turn into 10 parts at this point but we had a into 10 parts at this point but we had a into 10 parts at this point but we had a conversation last week with Jay Allard conversation last week with Jay Allard conversation last week with Jay Allard very long conversation kind of kept very long conversation kind of kept very long conversation kind of kept going and we we we all went through Xbox going and we we we all went through Xbox going and we we we all went through Xbox stuff like little secret XBox projects stuff like little secret XBox projects stuff like little secret XBox projects that never made it to light as well as that never made it to light as well as that never made it to light as well as zoom and kin and design centered zoom and kin and design centered zoom and kin and design centered development and it a lot of fun it was development and it a lot of fun it was development and it a lot of fun it was pretty cool some time with this so pretty cool some time with this so pretty cool some time with this so that'll be coming out at some point he's that'll be coming out at some point he's that'll be coming out at some point he's there to remind you that you need there to remind you that you need there to remind you that you need Heretics within your company's organiz Heretics within your company's organiz Heretics within your company's organiz talk a lot about how do you you know how talk a lot about how do you you know how talk a lot about how do you you know how do you do that entrepreneurship right do you do that entrepreneurship right do you do that entrepreneurship right you need you need to listen to the you need you need to listen to the you need you need to listen to the Heretics uh and cultivate Heretics Heretics uh and cultivate Heretics Heretics uh and cultivate Heretics inside your org which you know I don't inside your org which you know I don't inside your org which you know I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing know if it's a good thing or a bad thing know if it's a good thing or a bad thing that you guys do not allow comments on that you guys do not allow comments on that you guys do not allow comments on the WF Windows phone uh but over the the WF Windows phone uh but over the the WF Windows phone uh but over the weekend I saw the post for the kin and I weekend I saw the post for the kin and I weekend I saw the post for the kin and I remember uh back then when that thing remember uh back then when that thing remember uh back then when that thing launched I I was launched I I was launched I I was uh I guess part of my role was to like uh I guess part of my role was to like uh I guess part of my role was to like help with the rollouts for for the help with the rollouts for for the help with the rollouts for for the salespeople and I remember taking a deep salespeople and I remember taking a deep salespeople and I remember taking a deep breath uh before I was going to tell all breath uh before I was going to tell all breath uh before I was going to tell all these Whipper Snappers uh about the these Whipper Snappers uh about the these Whipper Snappers uh about the amazing kin that we thought uh you know amazing kin that we thought uh you know amazing kin that we thought uh you know we were going to sell a gazillion enough we were going to sell a gazillion enough we were going to sell a gazillion enough and uh that that didn't quite happen and uh that that didn't quite happen and uh that that didn't quite happen like that didn't quite I think we allow like that didn't quite I think we allow like that didn't quite I think we allow comments on there don't we on the comments on there don't we on the comments on there don't we on the LinkedIn I hope so I thought so maybe LinkedIn I hope so I thought so maybe LinkedIn I hope so I thought so maybe I'm I'm I'm blocked maybe maybe me you're you're blocked maybe maybe me you're you're blocked maybe maybe me you're you're definitely blocked yeah for sure never

mind that's a you issue that's not mind that's a you issue that's not that's not a it's hard to sell millions that's not a it's hard to sell millions that's not a it's hard to sell millions of kin in what was it 42 days 43 days of kin in what was it 42 days 43 days of kin in what was it 42 days 43 days before we pull the plug on that thing before we pull the plug on that thing before we pull the plug on that thing about 40 days yeah it was about 40 days about 40 days yeah it was about 40 days about 40 days yeah it was about 40 days yeah 40 days yeah yeah 40 days 40 days yeah 40 days yeah yeah 40 days 40 days yeah 40 days yeah yeah 40 days 40 days and 40 nights I mean David do you feel and 40 nights I mean David do you feel and 40 nights I mean David do you feel like you have any backstory information like you have any backstory information like you have any backstory information since you were a Verizon person who was since you were a Verizon person who was since you were a Verizon person who was intimately involved in the selling of intimately involved in the selling of intimately involved in the selling of the the the Ken I wouldn't say I wouldn't say Ken I wouldn't say I wouldn't say Ken I wouldn't say I wouldn't say intimately but like you know the the the intimately but like you know the the the intimately but like you know the the the memory uh reaction was um there was no memory uh reaction was um there was no memory uh reaction was um there was no genuine genuine genuine excitement um in the channel it was more excitement um in the channel it was more excitement um in the channel it was more of like what is this and what's you know of like what is this and what's you know of like what is this and what's you know it was like where's the iPhone where's it was like where's the iPhone where's it was like where's the iPhone where's the Verizon iPhone yeah that was the the Verizon iPhone yeah that was the the Verizon iPhone yeah that was the issue back then it was all about Droid issue back then it was all about Droid issue back then it was all about Droid cuz Droid had launched probably about cuz Droid had launched probably about cuz Droid had launched probably about four or five months before at Verizon four or five months before at Verizon four or five months before at Verizon and so anyone in a position in the and so anyone in a position in the and so anyone in a position in the channel at Verizon was all about they channel at Verizon was all about they channel at Verizon was all about they all got comped on selling droids nothing all got comped on selling droids nothing all got comped on selling droids nothing else else else mattered mattered mattered so oh well you know it's kind of one of so oh well you know it's kind of one of so oh well you know it's kind of one of those externalities he had no control those externalities he had no control those externalities he had no control over I guess if we had launched a year over I guess if we had launched a year over I guess if we had launched a year earlier it wouldn't have been an issue earlier it wouldn't have been an issue earlier it wouldn't have been an issue but that's a little hard to do to but that's a little hard to do to but that's a little hard to do to manufacture your time but yeah well you manufacture your time but yeah well you manufacture your time but yeah well you learn more about it when you watch the learn more about it when you watch the learn more about it when you watch the uh the episode when Rob and I ever get uh the episode when Rob and I ever get uh the episode when Rob and I ever get around to it I think we're going to try around to it I think we're going to try around to it I think we're going to try to put an episode together this week so to put an episode together this week so to put an episode together this week so it's gonna happen I got it's gonna happen I got it's gonna happen I got a well how how much do you guys think a well how how much do you guys think a well how how much do you guys think that iTunes played a a factor in in the that iTunes played a a factor in in the that iTunes played a a factor in in the appeal and the mind share that the

appeal and the mind share that the appeal and the mind share that the iPhone received early on I mean those iPhone received early on I mean those iPhone received early on I mean those are a critical time right and because are a critical time right and because are a critical time right and because mail I mean everyone was talking about mail I mean everyone was talking about mail I mean everyone was talking about how it's it's not as secure as how it's it's not as secure as how it's it's not as secure as Blackberry um you know people start Blackberry um you know people start Blackberry um you know people start still talking crap about right still talking crap about right still talking crap about right multi-touch screen um well I think you multi-touch screen um well I think you multi-touch screen um well I think you know I mean the iPhone is was kind of know I mean the iPhone is was kind of know I mean the iPhone is was kind of one of the F it was really the first one of the F it was really the first one of the F it was really the first smartphone that was unabashedly targeted smartphone that was unabashedly targeted smartphone that was unabashedly targeted toward toward toward consumers um whereas the previous consumers um whereas the previous consumers um whereas the previous everything else before that was trying everything else before that was trying everything else before that was trying to win the business user with email to win the business user with email to win the business user with email primarily so so that was that I think primarily so so that was that I think primarily so so that was that I think that kind of position and of course that kind of position and of course that kind of position and of course iTunes I mean actually Jay mentioned you iTunes I mean actually Jay mentioned you iTunes I mean actually Jay mentioned you know probably the biggest thing that know probably the biggest thing that know probably the biggest thing that ever happened to iTunes was that it they ever happened to iTunes was that it they ever happened to iTunes was that it they when it ported to Windows because when it ported to Windows because when it ported to Windows because originally iTunes was only on the Mac if originally iTunes was only on the Mac if originally iTunes was only on the Mac if you remember back in you remember back in you remember back in 2001 uh he'll he reminded us even even 2001 uh he'll he reminded us even even 2001 uh he'll he reminded us even even reading you know the the build Book you reading you know the the build Book you reading you know the the build Book you from Tony Fidel it was not until they from Tony Fidel it was not until they from Tony Fidel it was not until they allowed the iPods to run on Windows and allowed the iPods to run on Windows and allowed the iPods to run on Windows and connect to Windows that the sales took connect to Windows that the sales took connect to Windows that the sales took off um that was such a Steve Jobs things off um that was such a Steve Jobs things off um that was such a Steve Jobs things he really thought the iPod was there to he really thought the iPod was there to he really thought the iPod was there to drive sales of Max and almost no one was drive sales of Max and almost no one was drive sales of Max and almost no one was using a Mac at that time frame you know using a Mac at that time frame you know using a Mac at that time frame you know and so but and he was really I'm not and so but and he was really I'm not and so but and he was really I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it going to do it I'm not going to do it going to do it I'm not going to do it and then everybody's like we really and then everybody's like we really and then everybody's like we really should get on Windows because that's should get on Windows because that's should get on Windows because that's where like 99% of the market is and yeah where like 99% of the market is and yeah where like 99% of the market is and yeah as soon as they put the iPod connector as soon as they put the iPod connector as soon as they put the iPod connector and it all and it all and it all synced just took off that was it so I

synced just took off that was it so I synced just took off that was it so I found some important information for found some important information for found some important information for Pete and myself doing this valuable Pete and myself doing this valuable Pete and myself doing this valuable documentary on the rise and fall of M documentary on the rise and fall of M documentary on the rise and fall of M mobile platform so in order to pitch a mobile platform so in order to pitch a mobile platform so in order to pitch a documentary to Netflix apparently we documentary to Netflix apparently we documentary to Netflix apparently we need to join film festivals to get need to join film festivals to get need to join film festivals to get started we have to know our audience and started we have to know our audience and started we have to know our audience and create a strong create a strong create a strong story AI is telling me this I think we story AI is telling me this I think we story AI is telling me this I think we that be prepared to answer tough that be prepared to answer tough that be prepared to answer tough questions your research before trying to questions your research before trying to questions your research before trying to pitch Netflix check make a compelling pitch Netflix check make a compelling pitch Netflix check make a compelling pitch deck and show your unique story pitch deck and show your unique story pitch deck and show your unique story with a Sizzle reel with a Sizzle reel with a Sizzle reel Sizzle reel we could do that AI Sizzle reel we could do that AI Sizzle reel we could do that AI generated Sizzle partner partner with a generated Sizzle partner partner with a generated Sizzle partner partner with a licensed agent who has a relationship licensed agent who has a relationship licensed agent who has a relationship with Netflix we don't have that at all with Netflix we don't have that at all with Netflix we don't have that at all there let us know what is that yeah out there let us know what is that yeah out there let us know what is that yeah out by the Yellow Pages who the person is by the Yellow Pages who the person is by the Yellow Pages who the person is yeah the Yellow Pages yeah the Yellow Pages yeah the Yellow Pages we AG we can ask the iot coffee talk we AG we can ask the iot coffee talk we AG we can ask the iot coffee talk audience come on I mean audience come on I mean audience come on I mean you AG there clearly we're all you AG there clearly we're all you AG there clearly we're all unlicensed but uh I and I gotta tell you unlicensed but uh I and I gotta tell you unlicensed but uh I and I gotta tell you I I personally know that uh the I I personally know that uh the I I personally know that uh the award-winning videographer that could award-winning videographer that could award-winning videographer that could film you guys like I I have this person film you guys like I I have this person film you guys like I I have this person now we just need Netflix hook up there now we just need Netflix hook up there now we just need Netflix hook up there you go yeah we'll get our little YouTube you go yeah we'll get our little YouTube you go yeah we'll get our little YouTube viral uh nine part series out there and viral uh nine part series out there and viral uh nine part series out there and then we'll we'll take you to the big

then we'll we'll take you to the big then we'll we'll take you to the big screen you know what I mean yes yeah screen you know what I mean yes yeah screen you know what I mean yes yeah that'll be cool we'll all get it we all that'll be cool we'll all get it we all that'll be cool we'll all get it we all make sure we play our roles in the in make sure we play our roles in the in make sure we play our roles in the in the history books right AB leard you the history books right AB leard you the history books right AB leard you know back to back to Kin and because you know back to back to Kin and because you know back to back to Kin and because you know the first thing you said was the um know the first thing you said was the um know the first thing you said was the um you know the you know the iTunes so the you know the you know the iTunes so the you know the you know the iTunes so the App Store that was native on the iPhone App Store that was native on the iPhone App Store that was native on the iPhone that there was no such thing on on that that there was no such thing on on that that there was no such thing on on that you know K uh OS but another thing was you know K uh OS but another thing was you know K uh OS but another thing was specific comparing iPhone was the the specific comparing iPhone was the the specific comparing iPhone was the the browser experience like I so when the browser experience like I so when the browser experience like I so when the iPhone came out I was not a Mac I was iPhone came out I was not a Mac I was iPhone came out I was not a Mac I was not a Mac User but I you know I've not a Mac User but I you know I've not a Mac User but I you know I've played with them so I knew Safari and I played with them so I knew Safari and I played with them so I knew Safari and I I'll never forget that how most web some I'll never forget that how most web some I'll never forget that how most web some websites not all websites but a lot of websites not all websites but a lot of websites not all websites but a lot of websites on an iPhone would look just websites on an iPhone would look just websites on an iPhone would look just like they looked on Safari browser right like they looked on Safari browser right like they looked on Safari browser right some you have to reorient but like it some you have to reorient but like it some you have to reorient but like it was it was very very close yeah and that was it was very very close yeah and that was it was very very close yeah and that experience could not be delivered on experience could not be delivered on experience could not be delivered on back then on on Brew on the on the back then on on Brew on the on the back then on on Brew on the on the binary runtime binary runtime binary runtime engine anyway what it was yeah it engine anyway what it was yeah it engine anyway what it was yeah it sucked and and I remember that it was uh sucked and and I remember that it was uh sucked and and I remember that it was uh it was hard to you know tell a customer it was hard to you know tell a customer it was hard to you know tell a customer that the experience was comparable it's that the experience was comparable it's that the experience was comparable it's it's not like hey no the browser was it's not like hey no the browser was it's not like hey no the browser was that was like the a big breakthrough that was like the a big breakthrough that was like the a big breakthrough right plus they the capacitive touch and right plus they the capacitive touch and right plus they the capacitive touch and multi-touch and all the good stuff but

multi-touch and all the good stuff but multi-touch and all the good stuff but the the the browser because I think everyone was browser because I think everyone was browser because I think everyone was like you know back then of course like you know back then of course like you know back then of course connectivity was very difficult and connectivity was very difficult and connectivity was very difficult and challenging and so everyone dumbed down challenging and so everyone dumbed down challenging and so everyone dumbed down the experience remember like w browsers the experience remember like w browsers the experience remember like w browsers and like should I download this image and like should I download this image and like should I download this image and I mean it was like it was awful yeah and I mean it was like it was awful yeah and I mean it was like it was awful yeah I think Apple was just like the hell I think Apple was just like the hell I think Apple was just like the hell with that just like yeah you but also with that just like yeah you but also with that just like yeah you but also the the browser took a while to be a big the the browser took a while to be a big the the browser took a while to be a big deal because of blackberry that you know deal because of blackberry that you know deal because of blackberry that you know the browser experience also stunk on rim the browser experience also stunk on rim the browser experience also stunk on rim but who cares you know but who cares you know but who cares you know long the phone and the email like all long the phone and the email like all long the phone and the email like all Everyone Cared about yeah but you know Everyone Cared about yeah but you know Everyone Cared about yeah but you know but once browsing became um relevant uh but once browsing became um relevant uh but once browsing became um relevant uh there was no beating Apple uh on that there was no beating Apple uh on that there was no beating Apple uh on that one and it took Android a while to you one and it took Android a while to you one and it took Android a while to you know to uh to catch up to have something know to uh to catch up to have something know to uh to catch up to have something that you know that could Android yeah that you know that could Android yeah that you know that could Android yeah yeah I remember how yeah I remember how yeah I remember how thinking how cool it was I'm like I made thinking how cool it was I'm like I made thinking how cool it was I'm like I made Jam you know looking at the text based Jam you know looking at the text based Jam you know looking at the text based news you know like when I'm landing in a news you know like when I'm landing in a news you know like when I'm landing in a new city in that period of time you know new city in that period of time you know new city in that period of time you know you're rocking GPRS you know of course you're rocking GPRS you know of course you're rocking GPRS you know of course it didn't start so nicely I bought that it didn't start so nicely I bought that it didn't start so nicely I bought that imate jam in Quad lur and you know I'm imate jam in Quad lur and you know I'm imate jam in Quad lur and you know I'm at one of those cool giant places at one of those cool giant places at one of those cool giant places multi-story more cool Electronics you multi-story more cool Electronics you multi-story more cool Electronics you can imagine kind of like you see in can imagine kind of like you see in can imagine kind of like you see in Japan oh a jazz jar Jazz jar Jazz Japan oh a jazz jar Jazz jar Jazz Japan oh a jazz jar Jazz jar Jazz jar and I gave him my credit card to pay

jar and I gave him my credit card to pay jar and I gave him my credit card to pay for this thing oh yeah just a second you for this thing oh yeah just a second you for this thing oh yeah just a second you know probably in less than 60 seconds know probably in less than 60 seconds know probably in less than 60 seconds they scanned my credit card exactly they scanned my credit card exactly they scanned my credit card exactly you're like running up all these bills you're like running up all these bills you're like running up all these bills for all this stuff the next day Kathy's for all this stuff the next day Kathy's for all this stuff the next day Kathy's calling me I'm in Malaysia still she's calling me I'm in Malaysia still she's calling me I'm in Malaysia still she's like did you buy something in Taiwan and like did you buy something in Taiwan and like did you buy something in Taiwan and I'm like for $5,000 I'm like what are I'm like for $5,000 I'm like what are I'm like for $5,000 I'm like what are you talking about they were really good you talking about they were really good you talking about they were really good at scanning swiping and getting your at scanning swiping and getting your at scanning swiping and getting your credit card stuff like that well it credit card stuff like that well it credit card stuff like that well it still happens still happens you know still happens still happens you know still happens still happens you know there was like you see all these like there was like you see all these like there was like you see all these like videos on like gas U gas pumps and stuff videos on like gas U gas pumps and stuff videos on like gas U gas pumps and stuff before they have the fake sers that they before they have the fake sers that they before they have the fake sers that they put on there you know now now it's put on there you know now now it's put on there you know now now it's pretty quick I mean they can pick up on pretty quick I mean they can pick up on pretty quick I mean they can pick up on these patterns pretty quickly but even these patterns pretty quickly but even these patterns pretty quickly but even you know get that all the time right you know get that all the time right you know get that all the time right it's like and people buying gift cards it's like and people buying gift cards it's like and people buying gift cards you know $100 gift cards like 10 of them you know $100 gift cards like 10 of them you know $100 gift cards like 10 of them and stuff like that but yeah back in the and stuff like that but yeah back in the and stuff like that but yeah back in the day yeah cred card and Claw onour that day yeah cred card and Claw onour that day yeah cred card and Claw onour that was uh you know Risky Business and also was uh you know Risky Business and also was uh you know Risky Business and also you know uh back then uh Ecom I mean you know uh back then uh Ecom I mean you know uh back then uh Ecom I mean we're not calling e-commerce then but it we're not calling e-commerce then but it we're not calling e-commerce then but it took a while for a webbased credit card took a while for a webbased credit card took a while for a webbased credit card transaction to ask for your billing transaction to ask for your billing transaction to ask for your billing address to match to the credit card address to match to the credit card address to match to the credit card before the transaction would go back in before the transaction would go back in before the transaction would go back in the day was your credit card number and the day was your credit card number and the day was your credit card number and maybe the last three or the last four maybe the last three or the last four maybe the last three or the last four and you were good to go and these folks and you were good to go and these folks and you were good to go and these folks like Rob no they act quickly and yeah like Rob no they act quickly and yeah like Rob no they act quickly and yeah charge back all day charge back all day charge back all day baby till it get shut

baby till it get shut baby till it get shut off it's probably one of the reasons why off it's probably one of the reasons why off it's probably one of the reasons why people don't want you people don't want you people don't want you know folks in the iot are r or not folks know folks in the iot are r or not folks know folks in the iot are r or not folks in the iot but the OT folks are reticent in the iot but the OT folks are reticent in the iot but the OT folks are reticent about opening things up you know what about opening things up you know what about opening things up you know what I'm saying because you know going back I'm saying because you know going back I'm saying because you know going back to the earlier comment about asymmetry I to the earlier comment about asymmetry I to the earlier comment about asymmetry I mean that that's something that we mean that that's something that we mean that that's something that we brought up a long time ago actually it brought up a long time ago actually it brought up a long time ago actually it was related to um some stuff that was was related to um some stuff that was was related to um some stuff that was presented at build last year almost a presented at build last year almost a presented at build last year almost a year ago where they were talking about year ago where they were talking about year ago where they were talking about the the the une economy or whatever the the the the une economy or whatever the the the the une economy or whatever the Microsoft folks were talking about um Microsoft folks were talking about um Microsoft folks were talking about um the one that 11 the one that 11 the one that 11 trillion um you know uh dark trillion um you know uh dark trillion um you know uh dark economy and um that is growing faster economy and um that is growing faster economy and um that is growing faster than any economy in the world right it's than any economy in the world right it's than any economy in the world right it's growing faster than the US economy which growing faster than the US economy which growing faster than the US economy which now you know we we have our GDP growth now you know we we have our GDP growth now you know we we have our GDP growth getting downgraded this economy is getting downgraded this economy is getting downgraded this economy is skyrocketing uh it's the fact fastest skyrocketing uh it's the fact fastest skyrocketing uh it's the fact fastest growing economy out there and um yeah growing economy out there and um yeah growing economy out there and um yeah are we on it's like how many people are are we on it's like how many people are are we on it's like how many people are going to go to the dark side when that going to go to the dark side when that going to go to the dark side when that like the dark web is becoming yeah the like the dark web is becoming yeah the like the dark web is becoming yeah the road yeah and so how how do you you know road yeah and so how how do you you know road yeah and so how how do you you know the threats are becoming you know one of the threats are becoming you know one of the threats are becoming you know one of the things I was wondering is how much the things I was wondering is how much the things I was wondering is how much of our personal information will of our personal information will of our personal information will companies and uh entities need to um

companies and uh entities need to um companies and uh entities need to um from from from to authenticate to authenticate to authenticate us think about it how much of a privacy us think about it how much of a privacy us think about it how much of a privacy infringement is going to be necessary in infringement is going to be necessary in infringement is going to be necessary in the future for us to transact because we the future for us to transact because we the future for us to transact because we just can't trust anything now future a just can't trust anything now future a just can't trust anything now future a future iPhone a little needle will pop future iPhone a little needle will pop future iPhone a little needle will pop out and you do a little blood thing like out and you do a little blood thing like out and you do a little blood thing like that you know yeah exactly it's like that you know yeah exactly it's like that you know yeah exactly it's like gataa right be like gataa right be like gataa right be like G yeah you show up to like hi I need to G yeah you show up to like hi I need to G yeah you show up to like hi I need to make a withdrawal I have my urine sample make a withdrawal I have my urine sample make a withdrawal I have my urine sample here and hold here and hold here and hold on there you on there you on there you go like have you seen those OIC the go like have you seen those OIC the go like have you seen those OIC the thing that you inject yourself with thing that you inject yourself with thing that you inject yourself with it'll be a little Bluetooth connected it'll be a little Bluetooth connected it'll be a little Bluetooth connected OIC thing and you jam it into your belly OIC thing and you jam it into your belly OIC thing and you jam it into your belly and it does a little blood withdrawal and it does a little blood withdrawal and it does a little blood withdrawal and like sends your authenticated blood and like sends your authenticated blood and like sends your authenticated blood sample to u to your phone which then you sample to u to your phone which then you sample to u to your phone which then you know is part of your Biometrics I just know is part of your Biometrics I just know is part of your Biometrics I just and I just lost 20 pounds and you and and I just lost 20 pounds and you and and I just lost 20 pounds and you and you lose 20 pounds I mean you lose 20 pounds I mean you lose 20 pounds I mean yeah it's crazy and I I I think these yeah it's crazy and I I I think these yeah it's crazy and I I I think these these new technologies are enabling that these new technologies are enabling that these new technologies are enabling that dark dark dark economy than uh the regular economy the economy than uh the regular economy the economy than uh the regular economy the productive economy yeah no you're right productive economy yeah no you're right productive economy yeah no you're right I I was trying to get uh I was trying to I I was trying to get uh I was trying to I I was trying to get uh I was trying to get my signature on this bank account get my signature on this bank account get my signature on this bank account because of this tiny ml gig that I now because of this tiny ml gig that I now because of this tiny ml gig that I now have to be a signatory and so the guy have to be a signatory and so the guy have to be a signatory and so the guy basically just to let you know talk basically just to let you know talk basically just to let you know talk about zero trust was like he sends me about zero trust was like he sends me about zero trust was like he sends me this form to print out and and write it

this form to print out and and write it this form to print out and and write it and it's like mother's maiden name and it's like mother's maiden name and it's like mother's maiden name social security number birthday I mean social security number birthday I mean social security number birthday I mean you name it he's like yeah just scan you name it he's like yeah just scan you name it he's like yeah just scan this and email it back to me I'm like this and email it back to me I'm like this and email it back to me I'm like are you kidding me like clear you want are you kidding me like clear you want are you kidding me like clear you want me just email a JPEG to you I mean this me just email a JPEG to you I mean this me just email a JPEG to you I mean this is how Banks work I mean give me a break is how Banks work I mean give me a break is how Banks work I mean give me a break and then all the while everyone's and then all the while everyone's and then all the while everyone's getting hacked they have data preaches getting hacked they have data preaches getting hacked they have data preaches like while they're collecting your like while they're collecting your like while they're collecting your Biometrics and everything else it was Biometrics and everything else it was Biometrics and everything else it was incredible I it's like so I went to I incredible I it's like so I went to I incredible I it's like so I went to I went to a physical Branch I'm like I went to a physical Branch I'm like I went to a physical Branch I'm like I will you know type stuff in here but will you know type stuff in here but will you know type stuff in here but even that was a little a little dicey even that was a little a little dicey even that was a little a little dicey but still no there still those practices but still no there still those practices but still no there still those practices people you know people throw the data people you know people throw the data people you know people throw the data out there and now you know you're right out there and now you know you're right out there and now you know you're right I mean there's so much money it's kind I mean there's so much money it's kind I mean there's so much money it's kind of scraping and hacking and reselling of scraping and hacking and reselling of scraping and hacking and reselling that stuff but I mean it's a real that stuff but I mean it's a real that stuff but I mean it's a real business right I mean when you look at I business right I mean when you look at I business right I mean when you look at I mean I mean literally it and they mean I mean literally it and they mean I mean literally it and they operate like a business used to be they operate like a business used to be they operate like a business used to be they stayed in the shadows they're not in the stayed in the shadows they're not in the stayed in the shadows they're not in the shadows they will hijack a city's data shadows they will hijack a city's data shadows they will hijack a city's data and then say Oh by the way way call this and then say Oh by the way way call this and then say Oh by the way way call this number and literally pick up the phone number and literally pick up the phone number and literally pick up the phone hello right uh well can you can you read hello right uh well can you can you read hello right uh well can you can you read the code and authenticate yourself so the code and authenticate yourself so the code and authenticate yourself so that we know that we're talking to the that we know that we're talking to the that we know that we're talking to the right person they do that and then right person they do that and then right person they do that and then they'll be like hold and they pass you they'll be like hold and they pass you they'll be like hold and they pass you on I'm like this [ __ ] is operating like on I'm like this [ __ ] is operating like on I'm like this [ __ ] is operating like a real business oh yeah you know what a real business oh yeah you know what a real business oh yeah you know what you know what that business is called you know what that business is called you know what that business is called LifeLock I think that's what it's called LifeLock I think that's what it's called LifeLock I think that's what it's called no it's called no it's called no it's called personalization and everything that personalization and everything that personalization and everything that enables

enables enables personalization that's that that's the personalization that's that that's the personalization that's that that's the source of all the data I just I just source of all the data I just I just source of all the data I just I just love Bill's example because it sounds love Bill's example because it sounds love Bill's example because it sounds like the hackers the scammers created like the hackers the scammers created like the hackers the scammers created employment because that sounded like a employment because that sounded like a employment because that sounded like a data like a call center sure it they did data like a call center sure it they did data like a call center sure it they did I mean that's it's the way that they're I mean that's it's the way that they're I mean that's it's the way that they're operating and I'm like are you kidding operating and I'm like are you kidding operating and I'm like are you kidding me me me nice I want I want to see that on the nice I want I want to see that on the nice I want I want to see that on the next jobs report okay I want to see the next jobs report okay I want to see the next jobs report okay I want to see the the dark web uh GDP or the dark web uh GDP or the dark web uh GDP or whatever crazy maybe I should move to whatever crazy maybe I should move to whatever crazy maybe I should move to that dark web that dark web that dark web Country Life blocks and the last pass Country Life blocks and the last pass Country Life blocks and the last pass you know I think um a lot of us we just you know I think um a lot of us we just you know I think um a lot of us we just have to get used to the fact that there have to get used to the fact that there have to get used to the fact that there are well organized entities out there are well organized entities out there are well organized entities out there that make money from stealing personal that make money from stealing personal that make money from stealing personal data yep if you're not spending I I I data yep if you're not spending I I I data yep if you're not spending I I I don't know I don't know what's enough don't know I don't know what's enough don't know I don't know what's enough for people but maybe you know 15 20 for people but maybe you know 15 20 for people but maybe you know 15 20 minutes a week scanning your credit minutes a week scanning your credit minutes a week scanning your credit cards you know the the transaction just cards you know the the transaction just cards you know the the transaction just like yeah you know okay groceries gas it like yeah you know okay groceries gas it like yeah you know okay groceries gas it looks okay and and it sucks to have to looks okay and and it sucks to have to looks okay and and it sucks to have to do that but you know the reality is you do that but you know the reality is you do that but you know the reality is you know if um if you if you miss it then know if um if you if you miss it then know if um if you if you miss it then you paid for it yeah and and and you you paid for it yeah and and and you you paid for it yeah and and and you know what eventually I I have a funny know what eventually I I have a funny know what eventually I I have a funny feeling eventually things like zel are feeling eventually things like zel are feeling eventually things like zel are gonna have to go away because the scam gonna have to go away because the scam gonna have to go away because the scam factor is going to be so overwhelming I factor is going to be so overwhelming I factor is going to be so overwhelming I mean have you noticed what they do with mean have you noticed what they do with mean have you noticed what they do with these these uh uh you know peer-to-peer

these these uh uh you know peer-to-peer these these uh uh you know peer-to-peer payment things now they they they're all payment things now they they they're all payment things now they they they're all these warnings before you hit the send these warnings before you hit the send these warnings before you hit the send button you know are you sure this isn't button you know are you sure this isn't button you know are you sure this isn't a scam do are you sure you know who a scam do are you sure you know who a scam do are you sure you know who you're sending this to right I mean this you're sending this to right I mean this you're sending this to right I mean this is this has happened over the course of is this has happened over the course of is this has happened over the course of a a a year freaking out that's a version of year freaking out that's a version of year freaking out that's a version of greenwashing because when you go through greenwashing because when you go through greenwashing because when you go through the company they're like well we really the company they're like well we really the company they're like well we really asked you hey are you sure you want to asked you hey are you sure you want to asked you hey are you sure you want to make this payment to Rob do you know Rob make this payment to Rob do you know Rob make this payment to Rob do you know Rob they rob sound a little funny and knew they rob sound a little funny and knew they rob sound a little funny and knew too many details about you David it's on too many details about you David it's on too many details about you David it's on you sorry right right but it's an you sorry right right but it's an you sorry right right but it's an indicator of how big the problem is indicator of how big the problem is indicator of how big the problem is because now the banks are pushing the because now the banks are pushing the because now the banks are pushing the risk off onto their risk off onto their risk off onto their customer and it's obvious that the cust customer and it's obvious that the cust customer and it's obvious that the cust now consumers are getting hit big time now consumers are getting hit big time now consumers are getting hit big time uh because this stuff what didn't happen uh because this stuff what didn't happen uh because this stuff what didn't happen or we didn't see Banks doing this 2 3 or we didn't see Banks doing this 2 3 or we didn't see Banks doing this 2 3 years ago now I mean there's like years ago now I mean there's like years ago now I mean there's like several layers of of you know several layers of of you know several layers of of you know notifications that you have to click notifications that you have to click notifications that you have to click through before you can hit the send you through before you can hit the send you through before you can hit the send you know they really want to make you to do know they really want to make you to do know they really want to make you to do your home Tri check yeah but to the your home Tri check yeah but to the your home Tri check yeah but to the unassuming consumer I mean that should unassuming consumer I mean that should unassuming consumer I mean that should freak them out you know they don't know freak them out you know they don't know freak them out you know they don't know so many people are shifting back to not so many people are shifting back to not so many people are shifting back to not so many people people are shifting back so many people people are shifting back so many people people are shifting back to like cash and you know know these to like cash and you know know these to like cash and you know know these things it's like a backlash against the things it's like a backlash against the things it's like a backlash against the tech because they're they don't

tech because they're they don't tech because they're they don't understand all the parts and pieces and understand all the parts and pieces and understand all the parts and pieces and you know they get scammed too much so you know they get scammed too much so you know they get scammed too much so it's kind of almost like a it's a it's kind of almost like a it's a it's kind of almost like a it's a backlash you know also Banks uh so I um backlash you know also Banks uh so I um backlash you know also Banks uh so I um I Won't Give an example but I know we I Won't Give an example but I know we I Won't Give an example but I know we all will come up with why but today you all will come up with why but today you all will come up with why but today you can go to your major bank and request a can go to your major bank and request a can go to your major bank and request a single use credit card number that is single use credit card number that is single use credit card number that is legitimately attached to your account legitimately attached to your account legitimately attached to your account and you can tell the bank hey put $1 on and you can tell the bank hey put $1 on and you can tell the bank hey put $1 on this unique credit card number and now this unique credit card number and now this unique credit card number and now you can use it on questionable shopping you can use it on questionable shopping you can use it on questionable shopping sites like Rob and koala lour and you sites like Rob and koala lour and you sites like Rob and koala lour and you don't have to worry that the counterfeit don't have to worry that the counterfeit don't have to worry that the counterfeit garbage that you just bought is going to garbage that you just bought is going to garbage that you just bought is going to cost you anymore because you know what cost you anymore because you know what cost you anymore because you know what you're doing your bank knows what you're you're doing your bank knows what you're you're doing your bank knows what you're doing and they're like we'll help you doing and they're like we'll help you doing and they're like we'll help you buy that thing that you shouldn't be buy that thing that you shouldn't be buy that thing that you shouldn't be buying in the US it's there you know buying in the US it's there you know buying in the US it's there you know they they're doing this and it's and and they they're doing this and it's and and they they're doing this and it's and and it's under the umbrella of of customer it's under the umbrella of of customer it's under the umbrella of of customer protection and an informed customer uh protection and an informed customer uh protection and an informed customer uh in this case it's but most people don't in this case it's but most people don't in this case it's but most people don't know about it and they go use their you know about it and they go use their you know about it and they go use their you know regular credit card and they're know regular credit card and they're know regular credit card and they're like ah like ah like ah crap no stick stick with the virtual crap no stick stick with the virtual crap no stick stick with the virtual card yeah yeah that's yeah we're gonna card yeah yeah that's yeah we're gonna card yeah yeah that's yeah we're gonna stick with the virtual me yeah your stick with the virtual me yeah your stick with the virtual me yeah your digital twin yeah yes yes that's gonna digital twin yeah yes yes that's gonna digital twin yeah yes yes that's gonna be a thing yeah one these days you never be a thing yeah one these days you never be a thing yeah one these days you never know you never know get the hype machine

know you never know get the hype machine know you never know get the hype machine going that's what it's all about years going that's what it's all about years going that's what it's all about years now the iot coffee talk will just be our now the iot coffee talk will just be our now the iot coffee talk will just be our digital twins living on talking to each digital twins living on talking to each digital twins living on talking to each other yeah hey it can happen you know we other yeah hey it can happen you know we other yeah hey it can happen you know we will have enough content with ML will have enough content with ML will have enough content with ML training and stuff like that that right training and stuff like that that right training and stuff like that that right this the show will live on forever now this the show will live on forever now this the show will live on forever now at this point yeah and'll it'll do a at this point yeah and'll it'll do a at this point yeah and'll it'll do a little they'll do a little r little they'll do a little r little they'll do a little r to pull in new stuff that's happening to pull in new stuff that's happening to pull in new stuff that's happening currently talking to each other avatars currently talking to each other avatars currently talking to each other avatars you know yeah they Blended in and and you know yeah they Blended in and and you know yeah they Blended in and and and in the future you know our kids and in the future you know our kids and in the future you know our kids grandkids great grandkids could take grandkids great grandkids could take grandkids great grandkids could take over because Drake was make Tupac come over because Drake was make Tupac come over because Drake was make Tupac come back from from the death the other day back from from the death the other day back from from the death the other day ma is back I don't approve I don't ma is back I don't approve I don't ma is back I don't approve I don't approve but he's back for a minute back approve but he's back for a minute back approve but he's back for a minute back for but you heard it you heard it so it for but you heard it you heard it so it for but you heard it you heard it so it must be true like good I think if we could make like good I think if we could make figure out how to make what we're just figure out how to make what we're just figure out how to make what we're just now talking about work this could be a now talking about work this could be a now talking about work this could be a whole new business we could sell to whole new business we could sell to whole new business we could sell to people do you want to have your own show people do you want to have your own show people do you want to have your own show here's how to do here's how to do here's how to do it here's the workflow here's the it here's the workflow here's the it here's the workflow here's the documentation here's how to succeed but documentation here's how to succeed but documentation here's how to succeed but just give you your name address bank just give you your name address bank just give you your name address bank account number Social Security number city of your birth yeah it's

number city of your birth yeah it's awesome it'll work yeah good stuff yeah awesome it'll work yeah good stuff yeah awesome it'll work yeah good stuff yeah want us to become your iot girlfriend in want us to become your iot girlfriend in want us to become your iot girlfriend in the pocket the pocket the pocket anyway so ridiculous anyways I just anyway so ridiculous anyways I just anyway so ridiculous anyways I just think of think of think of it I I really I really did love the it I I really I really did love the it I I really I really did love the movie her yeah you know where he had movie her yeah you know where he had movie her yeah you know where he had that's right girlfriend God shirt pocket that's right girlfriend God shirt pocket that's right girlfriend God shirt pocket you know I want I want my two hours back you know I want I want my two hours back you know I want I want my two hours back yeah oh are you gotta be kidding me man yeah oh are you gotta be kidding me man yeah oh are you gotta be kidding me man that was a great movie Walk that was that was a great movie Walk that was that was a great movie Walk that was horrible that was Horrible's a good horrible that was Horrible's a good horrible that was Horrible's a good actor I think he's a good actor I mean actor I think he's a good actor I mean actor I think he's a good actor I mean he's a good actor but I mean look look he's a good actor but I mean look look he's a good actor but I mean look look I'm gonna give you the Charles Barkley I'm gonna give you the Charles Barkley I'm gonna give you the Charles Barkley that was terrible that was terrible that was terrible the dead cat scene that thing terrible the dead cat scene that thing terrible the dead cat scene that thing alone made it a great movie so I don't alone made it a great movie so I don't alone made it a great movie so I don't remember that scene I'm going have to remember that scene I'm going have to remember that scene I'm going have to rewatch it I guess watch it you oh don't rewatch it I guess watch it you oh don't rewatch it I guess watch it you oh don't do do do that well you know you know bill now that well you know you know bill now that well you know you know bill now that I'm semi retired I I guess yeah that I'm semi retired I I guess yeah that I'm semi retired I I guess yeah yeah you're right if you want to rewatch yeah you're right if you want to rewatch yeah you're right if you want to rewatch bad old movies I watched the original bad old movies I watched the original bad old movies I watched the original Dune movie David Lynch directing from yeah that was like I would say if from yeah that was like I would say if you watch the new Dune movies go back you watch the new Dune movies go back you watch the new Dune movies go back and watch that one and you really and watch that one and you really and watch that one and you really appreciate the newer ones yeah you know appreciate the newer ones yeah you know appreciate the newer ones yeah you know of of of yeah it it was you know David Lynch I yeah it it was you know David Lynch I yeah it it was you know David Lynch I got he got I don't know he has some got he got I don't know he has some got he got I don't know he has some weird stuff going on in his head so yeah weird stuff going on in his head so yeah weird stuff going on in his head so yeah it was that's where I first movie knew

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