IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 162 - Best Effort

[Applause] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] outstanding outstanding White Snake Here outstanding outstanding White Snake Here outstanding outstanding White Snake Here We Go Again here we go again here we go We Go Again here we go again here we go We Go Again here we go again here we go again on our own on our own yes yes now again on our own on our own yes yes now again on our own on our own yes yes now I'm the only road we've ever done I'm the only road we've ever done I'm the only road we've ever done you know what you know what you know what that little ending you were doing there that little ending you were doing there that little ending you were doing there I thought you were about to do Jimi I thought you were about to do Jimi I thought you were about to do Jimi Hendrix doing the national anthem or Hendrix doing the national anthem or Hendrix doing the national anthem or something from Woodstock you know he's something from Woodstock you know he's something from Woodstock you know he's just a wreck dude afterwards I don't just a wreck dude afterwards I don't just a wreck dude afterwards I don't know why he'll just save that for like know why he'll just save that for like know why he'll just save that for like the Fourth of July or something you know the Fourth of July or something you know the Fourth of July or something you know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a great idea so we'll do that for that's a great idea so we'll do that for that's a great idea so we'll do that for the Fourth of July actually the Fourth the Fourth of July actually the Fourth the Fourth of July actually the Fourth of July lands on a Wednesday wow who of July lands on a Wednesday wow who of July lands on a Wednesday wow who knew we're all no a Tuesday okay Tuesday knew we're all no a Tuesday okay Tuesday knew we're all no a Tuesday okay Tuesday all right I will make it happen we'll all right I will make it happen we'll all right I will make it happen we'll make it happen but you know what if I make it happen but you know what if I make it happen but you know what if I really screw it up I'll be getting hate really screw it up I'll be getting hate really screw it up I'll be getting hate mail from around the country mail from around the country mail from around the country you'll have to nail it then you just you'll have to nail it then you just you'll have to nail it then you just have to nail it instead of fearing the have to nail it instead of fearing the have to nail it instead of fearing the hate mail and not doing it you have to hate mail and not doing it you have to hate mail and not doing it you have to lean in lean in and say I accept the lean in lean in and say I accept the lean in lean in and say I accept the challenge lean into the disaster and challenge lean into the disaster and challenge lean into the disaster and you're gonna nail it well I have my you're gonna nail it well I have my you're gonna nail it well I have my Arnold Palmer tea lemonade thing oh Arnold Palmer tea lemonade thing oh Arnold Palmer tea lemonade thing oh awesome you know what I didn't even know awesome you know what I didn't even know awesome you know what I didn't even know that they had Arnold Palmer tea thing I that they had Arnold Palmer tea thing I that they had Arnold Palmer tea thing I know who knew know who knew know who knew wow that's crazy who knew I'm expecting

wow that's crazy who knew I'm expecting wow that's crazy who knew I'm expecting we should just get a royalty right now we should just get a royalty right now we should just get a royalty right now just from the Arnold Palmer estate just just from the Arnold Palmer estate just just from the Arnold Palmer estate just for showing that you know for product for showing that you know for product for showing that you know for product placement there exactly oh I think so placement there exactly oh I think so placement there exactly oh I think so but you know we're all about the digital but you know we're all about the digital but you know we're all about the digital divide so hey welcome everybody iot divide so hey welcome everybody iot divide so hey welcome everybody iot Coffee Talk Coffee Talk Coffee Talk remember we are all about Bridging the remember we are all about Bridging the remember we are all about Bridging the digital divide uh so please if you like digital divide uh so please if you like digital divide uh so please if you like our show you support our show please our show you support our show please our show you support our show please support uh support uh support uh elevatorkids.org and you can also if you elevatorkids.org and you can also if you elevatorkids.org and you can also if you don't like giving donations and being don't like giving donations and being don't like giving donations and being charitable charitable charitable you can also a really cool shirt you can also a really cool shirt you can also a really cool shirt seriously these shirts are awesome they seriously these shirts are awesome they seriously these shirts are awesome they actually look very very good on people actually look very very good on people actually look very very good on people they do you can buy one and you will they do you can buy one and you will they do you can buy one and you will indirectly okay be helping a child indirectly okay be helping a child indirectly okay be helping a child get us a device and connectivity so they get us a device and connectivity so they get us a device and connectivity so they can participate in a inclusive way with can participate in a inclusive way with can participate in a inclusive way with uh the digital economy digital education uh the digital economy digital education uh the digital economy digital education all this digital stuff that we always all this digital stuff that we always all this digital stuff that we always talk about so absolutely we're sending talk about so absolutely we're sending talk about so absolutely we're sending bits over the interwebs to your screen bits over the interwebs to your screen bits over the interwebs to your screen so that you can get educated so that you can get educated so that you can get educated and you're gonna learn you might learn and you're gonna learn you might learn and you're gonna learn you might learn some math some math some math or maths math as my British friends say or maths math as my British friends say or maths math as my British friends say to me to me to me um yeah aluminum doors aluminum there's like an

aluminum doors aluminum there's like an extra battle in there or something I extra battle in there or something I extra battle in there or something I don't know I don't know what's up with don't know I don't know what's up with don't know I don't know what's up with it we've been pronouncing it wrong this it we've been pronouncing it wrong this it we've been pronouncing it wrong this whole time right whole time right whole time right we are all wrong for sure for sure we are all wrong for sure for sure we are all wrong for sure for sure are you gonna go do anything over I know are you gonna go do anything over I know are you gonna go do anything over I know we got a long kind of Fourth of July we got a long kind of Fourth of July we got a long kind of Fourth of July weekend weekend weekend I know some yeah because fourth July is I know some yeah because fourth July is I know some yeah because fourth July is on Tuesday I know some companies are on Tuesday I know some companies are on Tuesday I know some companies are letting people off on Monday and Tuesday letting people off on Monday and Tuesday letting people off on Monday and Tuesday yeah which will give you four yeah which will give you four yeah which will give you four Foreigner Foreigner four days Foreigner Foreigner four days Foreigner Foreigner four days yeah so you know I'll tell you what my yeah so you know I'll tell you what my yeah so you know I'll tell you what my plan is or our plan is is to avoid all plan is or our plan is is to avoid all plan is or our plan is is to avoid all those people who have four or four days those people who have four or four days those people who have four or four days of vacation okay all right and there is of vacation okay all right and there is of vacation okay all right and there is no no no says vacation for Leonard Lee and the says vacation for Leonard Lee and the says vacation for Leonard Lee and the Lee family you know other than what's Lee family you know other than what's Lee family you know other than what's provided provided provided um you know as national holidays and um you know as national holidays and um you know as national holidays and when the kids are out of school and you when the kids are out of school and you when the kids are out of school and you know right so we we have a fully know right so we we have a fully know right so we we have a fully elective vacation schedule yeah elective vacation schedule yeah elective vacation schedule yeah throughout the year uh yeah that's throughout the year uh yeah that's throughout the year uh yeah that's beautiful but you do live in a vacation beautiful but you do live in a vacation beautiful but you do live in a vacation destination already so there's that but destination already so there's that but destination already so there's that but of course when you live there your whole of course when you live there your whole of course when you live there your whole life it probably doesn't feel like a life it probably doesn't feel like a life it probably doesn't feel like a vacation destination vacation destination vacation destination not lately but um not lately but um not lately but um um wow we're going to be avoiding people um wow we're going to be avoiding people um wow we're going to be avoiding people what about you

what about you what about you I'm going to go down to a Bend Oregon I'm going to go down to a Bend Oregon I'm going to go down to a Bend Oregon which is really beautiful it's over which is really beautiful it's over which is really beautiful it's over there in eastern Oregon on the other there in eastern Oregon on the other there in eastern Oregon on the other side of the mountains and uh what is it side of the mountains and uh what is it side of the mountains and uh what is it the is it the Rogue River I don't know the is it the Rogue River I don't know the is it the Rogue River I don't know anyway yeah yeah it's beautiful to pull anyway yeah yeah it's beautiful to pull anyway yeah yeah it's beautiful to pull up there man it's like it's crazy and I up there man it's like it's crazy and I up there man it's like it's crazy and I love going up to uh Mount Rainier and love going up to uh Mount Rainier and love going up to uh Mount Rainier and that place especially yeah that place especially yeah that place especially yeah it's I mean you know no doubt that's the it's I mean you know no doubt that's the it's I mean you know no doubt that's the time of year you want to be up in this time of year you want to be up in this time of year you want to be up in this part of the country because the part of the country because the part of the country because the weather's perfect and and it's just weather's perfect and and it's just weather's perfect and and it's just you're right it's just mountains and you're right it's just mountains and you're right it's just mountains and forests and water everywhere and so yeah forests and water everywhere and so yeah forests and water everywhere and so yeah it's good to be out it's good to be out it's good to be out I highly recommend people I highly recommend people I highly recommend people if you like to go hiking or exploring if you like to go hiking or exploring if you like to go hiking or exploring Wilderness man go check out National Wilderness man go check out National Wilderness man go check out National Parks when you get a chance during the Parks when you get a chance during the Parks when you get a chance during the summer time I think you know I know it summer time I think you know I know it summer time I think you know I know it sounds cliche but it's been burned as sounds cliche but it's been burned as sounds cliche but it's been burned as Ken Burns said in his documentary about Ken Burns said in his documentary about Ken Burns said in his documentary about America's national park is America's America's national park is America's America's national park is America's best idea best idea best idea um and you know what I would agree with um and you know what I would agree with um and you know what I would agree with that I think I would agree with that I that I think I would agree with that I that I think I would agree with that I didn't used to think about that I used didn't used to think about that I used didn't used to think about that I used to be like oh who wants to do that I to be like oh who wants to do that I to be like oh who wants to do that I want to go to Disneyland or something want to go to Disneyland or something want to go to Disneyland or something but um you know what no you just but um you know what no you just but um you know what no you just mentioned going Mount Rainier National mentioned going Mount Rainier National mentioned going Mount Rainier National Park I mean that's that's some beautiful Park I mean that's that's some beautiful Park I mean that's that's some beautiful stuff in the fall stuff in the fall stuff in the fall no you want to go no you want to go no you want to go you know what this is what I picture you know what this is what I picture you know what this is what I picture okay you know uh there what you're okay you know uh there what you're okay you know uh there what you're selling right now is this Serene picture selling right now is this Serene picture selling right now is this Serene picture of you know a family in the wilderness

of you know a family in the wilderness of you know a family in the wilderness all along with you know in the four in all along with you know in the four in all along with you know in the four in the foreign the foreign the foreign background you're gonna see this background you're gonna see this background you're gonna see this beautiful Wilderness but the reality is beautiful Wilderness but the reality is beautiful Wilderness but the reality is you go there and it's like freaking all you go there and it's like freaking all you go there and it's like freaking all these trailers everywhere and campers these trailers everywhere and campers these trailers everywhere and campers crap ton of people I thought I'm glad you said that I I thought I'm glad you said that I thought you were saying something like thought you were saying something like thought you were saying something like you know like getting attacked by you know like getting attacked by you know like getting attacked by grizzly bears or something like that we grizzly bears or something like that we grizzly bears or something like that we were so wrong we thought this was gonna were so wrong we thought this was gonna were so wrong we thought this was gonna be a great family trip and we lost two be a great family trip and we lost two be a great family trip and we lost two of our kids yeah yeah there you go so yeah no but I agree if there you go so yeah no but I agree if you can just if you can if you can uh you can just if you can if you can uh you can just if you can if you can uh somehow avoid the crowds to a certain somehow avoid the crowds to a certain somehow avoid the crowds to a certain reasonable degree during the summer yeah reasonable degree during the summer yeah reasonable degree during the summer yeah it's great it's great it's great absolutely it's usually not too bad it's absolutely it's usually not too bad it's absolutely it's usually not too bad it's not too bad you know I've had to learn not too bad you know I've had to learn not too bad you know I've had to learn lessons about when to begin a hike up a lessons about when to begin a hike up a lessons about when to begin a hike up a mountain though for instance you know mountain though for instance you know mountain though for instance you know you start early yeah so super super you start early yeah so super super you start early yeah so super super early you you will underestimate how early you you will underestimate how early you you will underestimate how long it's going to take you to get up long it's going to take you to get up long it's going to take you to get up there to the top and also how long it there to the top and also how long it there to the top and also how long it takes you to get down yeah takes you to get down yeah takes you to get down yeah um how painful it is to go down everyone um how painful it is to go down everyone um how painful it is to go down everyone all the time uphill you know the all the time uphill you know the all the time uphill you know the downhill is easy downhill is easy downhill is easy one time stupid me so I don't want to one time stupid me so I don't want to one time stupid me so I don't want to consider this some major mountain but consider this some major mountain but consider this some major mountain but kind of near where we live uh you know

kind of near where we live uh you know kind of near where we live uh you know on the east side you know on the east side you know on the east side you know Seattle there Bellevue red Municipal all Seattle there Bellevue red Municipal all Seattle there Bellevue red Municipal all that stuff there's um Mount Si which is that stuff there's um Mount Si which is that stuff there's um Mount Si which is close to us at near Snoqualmie close to us at near Snoqualmie close to us at near Snoqualmie Washington and not far from where I am Washington and not far from where I am Washington and not far from where I am and yeah it's really beautiful and and yeah it's really beautiful and and yeah it's really beautiful and there's great hiking up there and I there's great hiking up there and I there's great hiking up there and I remember one time I decided oh I'm gonna remember one time I decided oh I'm gonna remember one time I decided oh I'm gonna climb up from outside you know there's climb up from outside you know there's climb up from outside you know there's kind of Switchback Trails you got there kind of Switchback Trails you got there kind of Switchback Trails you got there and it's beautiful when you're up top and it's beautiful when you're up top and it's beautiful when you're up top not only can you even they're way over not only can you even they're way over not only can you even they're way over in the East you can see downtown it's in the East you can see downtown it's in the East you can see downtown it's like you're looking down on downtown like you're looking down on downtown like you're looking down on downtown Seattle you can see all the Puget Sound Seattle you can see all the Puget Sound Seattle you can see all the Puget Sound all the islands you can see the other all the islands you can see the other all the islands you can see the other it's incredible but I remember doing it it's incredible but I remember doing it it's incredible but I remember doing it and and I got my start like closer to and and I got my start like closer to and and I got my start like closer to lunch time and I just didn't think it lunch time and I just didn't think it lunch time and I just didn't think it was a big deal and then you know I'm get was a big deal and then you know I'm get was a big deal and then you know I'm get to the top kind of late in the afternoon to the top kind of late in the afternoon to the top kind of late in the afternoon and it's beautiful and everything and and it's beautiful and everything and and it's beautiful and everything and it's like now I'm going to start heading it's like now I'm going to start heading it's like now I'm going to start heading down down down well needless to say you're going down a well needless to say you're going down a well needless to say you're going down a mountain in the dark mountain in the dark mountain in the dark sucks sucks sucks [Music] [Music] [Music] [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] and since I'm not a pro hiker mountain and since I'm not a pro hiker mountain and since I'm not a pro hiker mountain man you know like all the people that man you know like all the people that man you know like all the people that have the headlight deal on their hats have the headlight deal on their hats have the headlight deal on their hats and they've got all the gear in fact and they've got all the gear in fact and they've got all the gear in fact they're I'd see guys running full speed they're I'd see guys running full speed they're I'd see guys running full speed going down which is mind-boggling to me going down which is mind-boggling to me going down which is mind-boggling to me and this was a while ago I remember and and this was a while ago I remember and and this was a while ago I remember and all I had was my smartphone for light all I had was my smartphone for light all I had was my smartphone for light and so I had the and I did it wasn't and so I had the and I did it wasn't and so I had the and I did it wasn't even like the beam of light you have in even like the beam of light you have in even like the beam of light you have in the back of an iPhone this is like the back of an iPhone this is like the back of an iPhone this is like Windows mobile phone stuff so just the Windows mobile phone stuff so just the Windows mobile phone stuff so just the light of the screen itself is all I had light of the screen itself is all I had light of the screen itself is all I had to make it down the mountain

to make it down the mountain to make it down the mountain um so anyway hey kids out there get an um so anyway hey kids out there get an um so anyway hey kids out there get an early start when you go mountain early start when you go mountain early start when you go mountain climbing because if you find yourself in climbing because if you find yourself in climbing because if you find yourself in the dark you don't want to be trapped up the dark you don't want to be trapped up the dark you don't want to be trapped up on a mountain on a mountain on a mountain um it can get chilly and there's um it can get chilly and there's um it can get chilly and there's Critters up there yeah and they come out Critters up there yeah and they come out Critters up there yeah and they come out at night they come out at night and they at night they come out at night and they at night they come out at night and they might think that you're their next meal might think that you're their next meal might think that you're their next meal but then you scare anybody but then you scare anybody but then you scare anybody yeah so don't don't show up on the front yeah so don't don't show up on the front yeah so don't don't show up on the front page of the local news page of the local news page of the local news which is why we have iot which is why we have iot which is why we have iot exactly you know and and this might exactly you know and and this might exactly you know and and this might actually be a good a good uh you know actually be a good a good uh you know actually be a good a good uh you know Prelude to a discussion about that Prelude to a discussion about that Prelude to a discussion about that um you know I'm hearing a lot of stuff um you know I'm hearing a lot of stuff um you know I'm hearing a lot of stuff about sat satellite about sat satellite about sat satellite um you know not terrestrial um you know not terrestrial um you know not terrestrial networks especially a lot of folks in networks especially a lot of folks in networks especially a lot of folks in the the the um 5G or in this other community getting um 5G or in this other community getting um 5G or in this other community getting really excited about that but then I really excited about that but then I really excited about that but then I mean you know yes I mean so in a mean you know yes I mean so in a mean you know yes I mean so in a situation like that where you know Rob situation like that where you know Rob situation like that where you know Rob you're pretty smart guy and the fact you're pretty smart guy and the fact you're pretty smart guy and the fact that you ever ever got into a situation that you ever ever got into a situation that you ever ever got into a situation like that actually lens created to this like that actually lens created to this like that actually lens created to this idea of emergency SOS right idea of emergency SOS right idea of emergency SOS right um weren't we all thrilled with when the um weren't we all thrilled with when the um weren't we all thrilled with when the new iPhone came out with satellite new iPhone came out with satellite new iPhone came out with satellite Communications for idiots like me who Communications for idiots like me who Communications for idiots like me who might be out on a mountain somewhere and might be out on a mountain somewhere and might be out on a mountain somewhere and at the wrong time oh geez yeah what um at the wrong time oh geez yeah what um at the wrong time oh geez yeah what um it's actually pretty helpful it's actually pretty helpful it's actually pretty helpful [Music] [Music] [Music] um um um you know the odd thing is is I don't

you know the odd thing is is I don't you know the odd thing is is I don't live anywhere near uh the Wilderness live anywhere near uh the Wilderness live anywhere near uh the Wilderness right I actually live in by g-town and right I actually live in by g-town and right I actually live in by g-town and I've had that you know the SOS Service I've had that you know the SOS Service I've had that you know the SOS Service as the only available service in several as the only available service in several as the only available service in several times so times so times so my carrier take note embarrassing you my carrier take note embarrassing you my carrier take note embarrassing you know uh yeah got to get coverage in know uh yeah got to get coverage in know uh yeah got to get coverage in places that are not in the middle of places that are not in the middle of places that are not in the middle of nowhere you know yeah where you know nowhere you know yeah where you know nowhere you know yeah where you know especially in my neighborhood where I especially in my neighborhood where I especially in my neighborhood where I have a bunch of Microsoft Apple Qualcomm have a bunch of Microsoft Apple Qualcomm have a bunch of Microsoft Apple Qualcomm and you name it engineers and Executives and you name it engineers and Executives and you name it engineers and Executives living around you know within a spitting living around you know within a spitting living around you know within a spitting distance you know you are so close distance you know you are so close distance you know you are so close you're so close to Qualcomm you're so close to Qualcomm you're so close to Qualcomm I would expect more I can yeah I I can I would expect more I can yeah I I can I would expect more I can yeah I I can throw a tomato uh at the HQ not that I throw a tomato uh at the HQ not that I throw a tomato uh at the HQ not that I would would would you could I chose a tomato maybe I don't you could I chose a tomato maybe I don't you could I chose a tomato maybe I don't know why you you know you're also close know why you you know you're also close know why you you know you're also close to Miramar so yeah so you got that going to Miramar so yeah so you got that going to Miramar so yeah so you got that going for you for you for you yeah yeah yeah um so yeah there's a lot of noise about um so yeah there's a lot of noise about um so yeah there's a lot of noise about all this stuff all this stuff all this stuff um which um but you posted you posted um which um but you posted you posted um which um but you posted you posted recently a speed test that was super recently a speed test that was super recently a speed test that was super impressive though impressive though impressive though yeah I I was I was shocked I'm like it yeah I I was I was shocked I'm like it yeah I I was I was shocked I'm like it was almost like 1.3 gigabits per second was almost like 1.3 gigabits per second was almost like 1.3 gigabits per second uh on the day it's like dude you could uh on the day it's like dude you could uh on the day it's like dude you could start running your own data center off start running your own data center off start running your own data center off of your phone yeah of your phone yeah of your phone yeah uh that was that was pretty insane uh uh

uh that was that was pretty insane uh uh uh that was that was pretty insane uh uh and and and um you know like I said in my post you um you know like I said in my post you um you know like I said in my post you can actually feel the you can feel the can actually feel the you can feel the can actually feel the you can feel the difference on your phone I mean I I know difference on your phone I mean I I know difference on your phone I mean I I know that like when I'm in New York when I that like when I'm in New York when I that like when I'm in New York when I was in New York before 5G was in New York before 5G was in New York before 5G uh yeah you know you go into these areas uh yeah you know you go into these areas uh yeah you know you go into these areas where the coverage is really poor the where the coverage is really poor the where the coverage is really poor the entire phone acts really goofy and so entire phone acts really goofy and so entire phone acts really goofy and so you know I I typically dwell in areas you know I I typically dwell in areas you know I I typically dwell in areas that tend to have pretty good coverage that tend to have pretty good coverage that tend to have pretty good coverage and good service so I was always and good service so I was always and good service so I was always wondering why people would be wondering why people would be wondering why people would be complaining about their the phone itself complaining about their the phone itself complaining about their the phone itself right the functionality the basic right the functionality the basic right the functionality the basic functionality but then when you go to functionality but then when you go to functionality but then when you go to certain areas you notice that uh what is certain areas you notice that uh what is certain areas you notice that uh what is otherwise a reliable phone will actually otherwise a reliable phone will actually otherwise a reliable phone will actually start acting really goofy and you know I start acting really goofy and you know I start acting really goofy and you know I I think there are two factors uh number I think there are two factors uh number I think there are two factors uh number one obviously the speed of the one obviously the speed of the one obviously the speed of the connection right but then also the connection right but then also the connection right but then also the applications have been increasingly applications have been increasingly applications have been increasingly developed developed developed splitting the load between the device splitting the load between the device splitting the load between the device and the cloud and the cloud and the cloud and the cloud is the problem right and the cloud is the problem right and the cloud is the problem right um when you depend on the cloud like um when you depend on the cloud like um when you depend on the cloud like that you're going to get a performance that you're going to get a performance that you're going to get a performance hit because I think with the hit because I think with the hit because I think with the connectivity being so intermittent and connectivity being so intermittent and connectivity being so intermittent and and oftentimes poor uh you get these and oftentimes poor uh you get these and oftentimes poor uh you get these system you know system level lags system you know system level lags system you know system level lags distributed some lags right and yeah can

distributed some lags right and yeah can distributed some lags right and yeah can you imagine for critical applications you imagine for critical applications you imagine for critical applications how this wouldn't work and why you know how this wouldn't work and why you know how this wouldn't work and why you know um as much as um you know we've been um as much as um you know we've been um as much as um you know we've been kind of disillusioned by 5G kind of disillusioned by 5G kind of disillusioned by 5G uh why you know in certain applications uh why you know in certain applications uh why you know in certain applications having that level of quality right sort having that level of quality right sort having that level of quality right sort of the promise quality could be very of the promise quality could be very of the promise quality could be very very useful yeah yeah good and you know very useful yeah yeah good and you know very useful yeah yeah good and you know especially for emergency services and uh especially for emergency services and uh especially for emergency services and uh that lot you know I mean we're not going that lot you know I mean we're not going that lot you know I mean we're not going to be putting like a friggin assembling to be putting like a friggin assembling to be putting like a friggin assembling line in the middle of Times Square right line in the middle of Times Square right line in the middle of Times Square right anytime soon no probably not I mean all anytime soon no probably not I mean all anytime soon no probably not I mean all the URL see stuff there but there are the URL see stuff there but there are the URL see stuff there but there are some other applications where you know some other applications where you know some other applications where you know you might want it you might want it you might want it you know yeah you're right you know yeah you're right you know yeah you're right I had to I you know I was reminded and I I had to I you know I was reminded and I I had to I you know I was reminded and I did a little post where I just was kind did a little post where I just was kind did a little post where I just was kind of reminding the world that cellular of reminding the world that cellular of reminding the world that cellular networks that that business of mobile networks that that business of mobile networks that that business of mobile operators it's the best effort operators it's the best effort operators it's the best effort business just like the airlines are at business just like the airlines are at business just like the airlines are at best effort business people think the best effort business people think the best effort business people think the stuff is automatic or it's guaranteed stuff is automatic or it's guaranteed stuff is automatic or it's guaranteed auto magic and then and then you watch auto magic and then and then you watch auto magic and then and then you watch TV and you see people on the East Coast TV and you see people on the East Coast TV and you see people on the East Coast right now been sleeping in airports for right now been sleeping in airports for right now been sleeping in airports for two or three days now because the two or three days now because the two or three days now because the flight's canceled massive delays and flight's canceled massive delays and flight's canceled massive delays and everything like that and people thought everything like that and people thought everything like that and people thought well I paid for my airline ticket and it well I paid for my airline ticket and it well I paid for my airline ticket and it says it's from this time to this time says it's from this time to this time says it's from this time to this time and how come this is not happening and and how come this is not happening and and how come this is not happening and they people lose it and it's and but I they people lose it and it's and but I they people lose it and it's and but I guess there's no I don't know if there's guess there's no I don't know if there's guess there's no I don't know if there's fine print somewhere that says this is a

fine print somewhere that says this is a fine print somewhere that says this is a best effort business we're gonna try to best effort business we're gonna try to best effort business we're gonna try to do what we say we're gonna do but maybe do what we say we're gonna do but maybe do what we say we're gonna do but maybe we might fail a lot well people think we might fail a lot well people think we might fail a lot well people think when we talk about sometimes we have when we talk about sometimes we have when we talk about sometimes we have these discussions about license versus these discussions about license versus these discussions about license versus unlicensed spectrum and of course the unlicensed spectrum and of course the unlicensed spectrum and of course the license and Spectrum people AKA cellular license and Spectrum people AKA cellular license and Spectrum people AKA cellular people will say well ours is more people will say well ours is more people will say well ours is more reliable it's locked in by the reliable it's locked in by the reliable it's locked in by the government we have it and so it's going government we have it and so it's going government we have it and so it's going to be better than like your Wi-Fi or to be better than like your Wi-Fi or to be better than like your Wi-Fi or whatever whatever whatever well is that always true no it's not well is that always true no it's not well is that always true no it's not true because it's still a best effort true because it's still a best effort true because it's still a best effort business there are no guarantees no business there are no guarantees no business there are no guarantees no matter what coverage map you've seen or matter what coverage map you've seen or matter what coverage map you've seen or whatever that your phone is going to whatever that your phone is going to whatever that your phone is going to work as advertised yeah because not only work as advertised yeah because not only work as advertised yeah because not only are you connecting to a best effort are you connecting to a best effort are you connecting to a best effort business called the cellular industry business called the cellular industry business called the cellular industry but then they're connected to another but then they're connected to another but then they're connected to another best effort Endeavor called the internet you know you know so so so so magic bullet out there so magic bullet out there so magic bullet out there um we're all connected to things that um we're all connected to things that um we're all connected to things that might be strung together with duct tape might be strung together with duct tape might be strung together with duct tape right right and I wish David was on here right right and I wish David was on here right right and I wish David was on here because on that one that post you know because on that one that post you know because on that one that post you know he he pipes up and says you know the he he pipes up and says you know the he he pipes up and says you know the carrier is made a decision decision on carrier is made a decision decision on carrier is made a decision decision on best effort but my whole response is best effort but my whole response is best effort but my whole response is this where my whole perspective is this this where my whole perspective is this this where my whole perspective is this is that you know is that you know is that you know um we also set the wrong expectation for um we also set the wrong expectation for um we also set the wrong expectation for urlc that it would be everywhere and

urlc that it would be everywhere and urlc that it would be everywhere and we've been talking about this for very we've been talking about this for very we've been talking about this for very long I've been talking about it long I've been talking about it long I've been talking about it personally in my own research for five personally in my own research for five personally in my own research for five years years years uh and I I think I'm pretty well known uh and I I think I'm pretty well known uh and I I think I'm pretty well known for this position but we've talked about for this position but we've talked about for this position but we've talked about this on iot Coffee Talk which is the this on iot Coffee Talk which is the this on iot Coffee Talk which is the reason why you should listen to us reason why you should listen to us reason why you should listen to us because we actually kind of go out there because we actually kind of go out there because we actually kind of go out there and try to figure out uh how things work and try to figure out uh how things work and try to figure out uh how things work right right right um all of us and then more importantly a um all of us and then more importantly a um all of us and then more importantly a bunch of us have experience in the field bunch of us have experience in the field bunch of us have experience in the field doing this stuff either now in the doing this stuff either now in the doing this stuff either now in the future or in the past future or in the past future or in the past um you know the the urlc the critical um you know the the urlc the critical um you know the the urlc the critical and Communications uh stuff uh that has and Communications uh stuff uh that has and Communications uh stuff uh that has to be highly reliable requires a highly to be highly reliable requires a highly to be highly reliable requires a highly managed and managed and managed and um design you know highly engineered um design you know highly engineered um design you know highly engineered Network and you can't have that Network and you can't have that Network and you can't have that everywhere you know so let's stop this everywhere you know so let's stop this everywhere you know so let's stop this notion that it's going to be available notion that it's going to be available notion that it's going to be available everywhere and that operators are going everywhere and that operators are going everywhere and that operators are going to invest at that level to have the urlc to invest at that level to have the urlc to invest at that level to have the urlc magic out there it's just not going to magic out there it's just not going to magic out there it's just not going to happen if it's going to cost too much happen if it's going to cost too much happen if it's going to cost too much and consider we started our show with and consider we started our show with and consider we started our show with this uh plead for charity or t-shirt this uh plead for charity or t-shirt this uh plead for charity or t-shirt purchases to bridge the divisional purchases to bridge the divisional purchases to bridge the divisional divide the digital divide is there divide the digital divide is there divide the digital divide is there because the operators can't figure out because the operators can't figure out because the operators can't figure out an economical way to connect people in an economical way to connect people in an economical way to connect people in the middle of almost nowhere yeah no

the middle of almost nowhere yeah no the middle of almost nowhere yeah no you're right no you're right so the the you're right no you're right so the the you're right no you're right so the the URL CC stuff the ultra reliable was was URL CC stuff the ultra reliable was was URL CC stuff the ultra reliable was was a lot of that related to going into a lot of that related to going into a lot of that related to going into smart factories or something yeah smart factories or something yeah smart factories or something yeah because you know right now the fastest because you know right now the fastest because you know right now the fastest most high speed most reliable way to do most high speed most reliable way to do most high speed most reliable way to do a network in a building in a factory a network in a building in a factory a network in a building in a factory anywhere is something we call ethernet anywhere is something we call ethernet anywhere is something we call ethernet yeah yeah yeah there's nothing faster than it in your there's nothing faster than it in your there's nothing faster than it in your building and there's nothing more building and there's nothing more building and there's nothing more reliable it just works unless you lose reliable it just works unless you lose reliable it just works unless you lose power or whatever power or whatever power or whatever um and so but a lot of people hate um and so but a lot of people hate um and so but a lot of people hate having to bring wires all over cabling having to bring wires all over cabling having to bring wires all over cabling all over the building and stuff like all over the building and stuff like all over the building and stuff like that and they go God I wish this that and they go God I wish this that and they go God I wish this Wireless stuff was as fast as ethernet Wireless stuff was as fast as ethernet Wireless stuff was as fast as ethernet and is reliable and I know the I thought and is reliable and I know the I thought and is reliable and I know the I thought that was a lot of the thinking behind that was a lot of the thinking behind that was a lot of the thinking behind that specification yeah was to be able that specification yeah was to be able that specification yeah was to be able to to to give you cellular capability that's fast give you cellular capability that's fast give you cellular capability that's fast and as reliable as ethernet for machines and as reliable as ethernet for machines and as reliable as ethernet for machines or things that that critical you know or things that that critical you know or things that that critical you know non-critical stuff you know I I haven't non-critical stuff you know I I haven't non-critical stuff you know I I haven't really heard much of any roll out of really heard much of any roll out of really heard much of any roll out of that at all almost like none that at all almost like none that at all almost like none um yeah yeah like I I've done several um yeah yeah like I I've done several um yeah yeah like I I've done several early podcasts like some of them almost early podcasts like some of them almost early podcasts like some of them almost three years ago where I was asking like three years ago where I was asking like three years ago where I was asking like engineers and even scientists about this engineers and even scientists about this engineers and even scientists about this stuff is like this stuff is it works in stuff is like this stuff is it works in stuff is like this stuff is it works in the lab you try to articulate the the the lab you try to articulate the the the lab you try to articulate the the technology into something that is technology into something that is technology into something that is industrial grade out in the in a

industrial grade out in the in a industrial grade out in the in a Brownfield especially yeah good luck you Brownfield especially yeah good luck you Brownfield especially yeah good luck you know know know um yeah our friends at Siemens have been um yeah our friends at Siemens have been um yeah our friends at Siemens have been doing a lot of experimentation with this doing a lot of experimentation with this doing a lot of experimentation with this stuff and they still Kick the Can down stuff and they still Kick the Can down stuff and they still Kick the Can down the road for 5G all right now um and the road for 5G all right now um and the road for 5G all right now um and that's I think again it goes into the that's I think again it goes into the that's I think again it goes into the why you know the I think the foundation why you know the I think the foundation why you know the I think the foundation or our show which is you know or our show which is you know or our show which is you know um BS doesn't survive on the show it's um BS doesn't survive on the show it's um BS doesn't survive on the show it's it's about so setting the right it's about so setting the right it's about so setting the right expectations so you don't POC yourself expectations so you don't POC yourself expectations so you don't POC yourself into disappointment like we've done with into disappointment like we've done with into disappointment like we've done with iot right iot right iot right um I think that's key and you only get um I think that's key and you only get um I think that's key and you only get so many shots and a company like Siemens so many shots and a company like Siemens so many shots and a company like Siemens that's basically got tons of resources that's basically got tons of resources that's basically got tons of resources to throw this stuff into a lab and see to throw this stuff into a lab and see to throw this stuff into a lab and see if it worked they'll they'll continue to if it worked they'll they'll continue to if it worked they'll they'll continue to invest to see okay where is that Tipping invest to see okay where is that Tipping invest to see okay where is that Tipping Point or inflection point where we can Point or inflection point where we can Point or inflection point where we can actually roll this stuff out in a large actually roll this stuff out in a large actually roll this stuff out in a large scale where it's going to be meaningful scale where it's going to be meaningful scale where it's going to be meaningful but an Enterprise you know like they're but an Enterprise you know like they're but an Enterprise you know like they're not going to do it they'll give you one not going to do it they'll give you one not going to do it they'll give you one or two shots maybe one right and your or two shots maybe one right and your or two shots maybe one right and your vendor you go in there and you you do a vendor you go in there and you you do a vendor you go in there and you you do a pilot or you work with the client to on pilot or you work with the client to on pilot or you work with the client to on a project you know a project you know a project you know um c-suite is pretty um c-suite is pretty um c-suite is pretty you know shorten patience you know shorten patience you know shorten patience you know yeah you're right now you're you know yeah you're right now you're you know yeah you're right now you're right if you tell them at that at a right if you tell them at that at a right if you tell them at that at a certain point a promised date where certain point a promised date where certain point a promised date where you're providing a result that hey look

you're providing a result that hey look you're providing a result that hey look this this this stuff is not we can't we can't take it stuff is not we can't we can't take it stuff is not we can't we can't take it to the next step within our business to the next step within our business to the next step within our business then yeah are we looking at it yeah then yeah are we looking at it yeah then yeah are we looking at it yeah right well there's always the why should right well there's always the why should right well there's always the why should we try or why whatever because because we try or why whatever because because we try or why whatever because because the ethernet we have works the ethernet we have works the ethernet we have works um and uh and you know there will be a um and uh and you know there will be a um and uh and you know there will be a lot of people the current operators of a lot of people the current operators of a lot of people the current operators of a factory or whatever are like don't you factory or whatever are like don't you factory or whatever are like don't you dare touch this thing that is working dare touch this thing that is working dare touch this thing that is working just humming perfectly you know with just humming perfectly you know with just humming perfectly you know with your cool new stuff it's gonna blow up your cool new stuff it's gonna blow up your cool new stuff it's gonna blow up my whole system and make it less my whole system and make it less my whole system and make it less reliable you know and then I'm not going reliable you know and then I'm not going reliable you know and then I'm not going to get my bonus this year and then I to get my bonus this year and then I to get my bonus this year and then I won't be able to take my kids to Disney won't be able to take my kids to Disney won't be able to take my kids to Disney yeah and then I won't be able to go yeah and then I won't be able to go yeah and then I won't be able to go hiking in a national park in the summer hiking in a national park in the summer hiking in a national park in the summer and be attacked by grizzly bears and be attacked by grizzly bears and be attacked by grizzly bears so don't you dare don't you dare do that so don't you dare don't you dare do that so don't you dare don't you dare do that you know oh yeah yeah don't you that's you know oh yeah yeah don't you that's you know oh yeah yeah don't you that's that's where it comes down to ultimately that's where it comes down to ultimately that's where it comes down to ultimately and also to our millions of viewers out and also to our millions of viewers out and also to our millions of viewers out there I made a critical error when I there I made a critical error when I there I made a critical error when I said that Bend Oregon is you know by the said that Bend Oregon is you know by the said that Bend Oregon is you know by the Rogue River which it's not that's Rogue River which it's not that's Rogue River which it's not that's farther south in Oregon it's the farther south in Oregon it's the farther south in Oregon it's the Deschutes River and we've had Deschutes Deschutes River and we've had Deschutes Deschutes River and we've had Deschutes beer beer beer um anyway I know our millions of viewers um anyway I know our millions of viewers um anyway I know our millions of viewers were gonna you know how we always get were gonna you know how we always get were gonna you know how we always get our emails that come man our text our emails that come man our text our emails that come man our text messages every day after every show and messages every day after every show and messages every day after every show and it's just like so don't don't don't send it's just like so don't don't don't send it's just like so don't don't don't send me emails about the Rogue River versus me emails about the Rogue River versus me emails about the Rogue River versus the chefs okay thank you yes yes the chefs okay thank you yes yes the chefs okay thank you yes yes so you know what you did is you just so you know what you did is you just so you know what you did is you just proved that humans are better than

proved that humans are better than proved that humans are better than generative AI generative AI generative AI see if you are a chat GPT you would have see if you are a chat GPT you would have see if you are a chat GPT you would have just you would have just made that crap just you would have just made that crap just you would have just made that crap up and let it I would have made it up up and let it I would have made it up up and let it I would have made it up right right right right yeah but you know it's built at right yeah but you know it's built at right yeah but you know it's built at one point for humans one point for humans one point for humans hey what's up man what's going on man hey what's up man what's going on man hey what's up man what's going on man where are you at where are you at where are you at I'm in Portland just landed I'm in Portland just landed I'm in Portland just landed away you guys don't know you're too away you guys don't know you're too away you guys don't know you're too close close close that's crazy yeah yeah I just just that's crazy yeah yeah I just just that's crazy yeah yeah I just just landed uh landed uh landed uh and uh man it it I don't feel any and uh man it it I don't feel any and uh man it it I don't feel any humidity so I feel lost oh oh and it's not 119 degrees either oh oh and it's not 119 degrees either exactly exactly exactly look man hey hey stay out there in look man hey hey stay out there in look man hey hey stay out there in Austin man I saw the devil running Austin man I saw the devil running Austin man I saw the devil running around butt naked looking for some water oh my God oh my God you know what I oh my God oh my God you know what I believe it I believe it all my friends believe it I believe it all my friends believe it I believe it all my friends down in Texas are just burning alive down in Texas are just burning alive down in Texas are just burning alive right now oh my God right now oh my God right now oh my God wake up in the morning at five in the wake up in the morning at five in the wake up in the morning at five in the morning man and and the walls are morning man and and the walls are morning man and and the walls are sweating uh so is that what you guys do in Texas you so is that what you guys do in Texas you you sit at home with a little glass of you sit at home with a little glass of you sit at home with a little glass of iced tea and then come up with clever iced tea and then come up with clever iced tea and then come up with clever sayings like that all day about the heat

sayings like that all day about the heat sayings like that all day about the heat oh my god wow so what's going on in oh my god wow so what's going on in oh my god wow so what's going on in Portland Portland Portland uh I'm out here uh I'm out here uh I'm out here um meeting up with Miss and ntia and a um meeting up with Miss and ntia and a um meeting up with Miss and ntia and a few other folks uh talk about best few other folks uh talk about best few other folks uh talk about best practices man how to how to make this practices man how to how to make this practices man how to how to make this stuff real yeah that's awesome you're stuff real yeah that's awesome you're stuff real yeah that's awesome you're gonna they're gonna love your hat yeah gonna they're gonna love your hat yeah gonna they're gonna love your hat yeah yeah yeah yeah yes yes you gotta love it man yes yes you gotta love it man yes yes you gotta love it man oh well I think that is the Trailblazers oh well I think that is the Trailblazers oh well I think that is the Trailblazers no wait no they got the timber no wait no they got the timber no wait no they got the timber Portland Timber soccer team oh yeah yeah Portland Timber soccer team oh yeah yeah Portland Timber soccer team oh yeah yeah but they don't they don't have they but they don't they don't have they but they don't they don't have they don't have a football team out here but don't have a football team out here but don't have a football team out here but no football team no football team no no no football team no football team no no no football team no football team no no no we got the Ducks no we got the Ducks no we got the Ducks we got the Ducks that's right down in we got the Ducks that's right down in we got the Ducks that's right down in Eugene Eugene Eugene um absolutely you know together for that keynote we got a together for that keynote we got a keynote for mountain connects hey come on we're busy people oh yeah hey come on we're busy people oh yeah like not and so not in the mood to like not and so not in the mood to like not and so not in the mood to travel I you know I've been traveling travel I you know I've been traveling travel I you know I've been traveling for almost three months every week and for almost three months every week and for almost three months every week and yeah yeah you got me uh I did six weeks yeah yeah you got me uh I did six weeks yeah yeah you got me uh I did six weeks and that was it and that was it and that was it so we're supposed to be in Denver like so we're supposed to be in Denver like so we're supposed to be in Denver like in August or something

in August or something in August or something yes sir okay we're doing a keynote I yes sir okay we're doing a keynote I yes sir okay we're doing a keynote I think it's I want to say it's September think it's I want to say it's September think it's I want to say it's September oh oh oh I hope it's not something out right I'm I hope it's not something out right I'm I hope it's not something out right I'm like I'm like I have like three other like I'm like I have like three other like I'm like I have like three other events that are in September that I have events that are in September that I have events that are in September that I have to tell all of them I'm not going to be to tell all of them I'm not going to be to tell all of them I'm not going to be able to make it because I have to go to able to make it because I have to go to able to make it because I have to go to a wedding but you know gosh a wedding but you know gosh a wedding but you know gosh wow wow things have to be on my calendar wow wow things have to be on my calendar wow wow things have to be on my calendar I don't put them on myself you know so I don't put them on myself you know so I don't put them on myself you know so dude you gotta you gotta ping on Mr dude you gotta you gotta ping on Mr dude you gotta you gotta ping on Mr Vasquez while you're in Portland man Vasquez while you're in Portland man Vasquez while you're in Portland man yeah definitely I plan I plan on it yeah definitely I plan I plan on it yeah definitely I plan I plan on it that's that's uh that's the plan I'm that's that's uh that's the plan I'm that's that's uh that's the plan I'm gonna do that gonna do that gonna do that um because I'm not leaving until Friday um because I'm not leaving until Friday um because I'm not leaving until Friday evening oh wow I should I should just evening oh wow I should I should just evening oh wow I should I should just drive down there and hang out with you drive down there and hang out with you drive down there and hang out with you guys it's only a three hour drive guys it's only a three hour drive guys it's only a three hour drive oh my God only three hours now you sound oh my God only three hours now you sound oh my God only three hours now you sound like a real Texan yeah yeah like a real Texan yeah yeah like a real Texan yeah yeah three hours is nothing like Stephanie three hours is nothing like Stephanie three hours is nothing like Stephanie Texas I mean seriously it's only like Texas I mean seriously it's only like Texas I mean seriously it's only like 160 miles between Seattle and Portland 160 miles between Seattle and Portland 160 miles between Seattle and Portland so it's real short that's real short you so it's real short that's real short you so it's real short that's real short you know yeah so maybe it's only two hour know yeah so maybe it's only two hour know yeah so maybe it's only two hour drive you started saying three hours man drive you started saying three hours man drive you started saying three hours man and I'm like I'm booking a flight yeah hang out with you guys even if it's just hang out with you guys even if it's just to have lunch or something to have lunch or something to have lunch or something hey absolutely so I'm gonna reach out to hey absolutely so I'm gonna reach out to hey absolutely so I'm gonna reach out to you my Uber just got here all right um you my Uber just got here all right um you my Uber just got here all right um doing this up so fellas I'm looking doing this up so fellas I'm looking doing this up so fellas I'm looking forward to it yeah all right go telling

forward to it yeah all right go telling forward to it yeah all right go telling this how to do it yeah this how to do it yeah this how to do it yeah all right done all right later all right all right done all right later all right all right done all right later all right brother adios all right take care that was funny that's funny yikes that was funny that's funny yikes yeah I do see those nastygram emails yeah I do see those nastygram emails yeah I do see those nastygram emails though about the mountain connect event though about the mountain connect event though about the mountain connect event that we're supposed to be at in Denver that we're supposed to be at in Denver that we're supposed to be at in Denver at some point in the future yeah at some point in the future yeah at some point in the future yeah um right right yeah right right yeah the problem is is that the problem is is that the problem is is that um in September actually or around um in September actually or around um in September actually or around August that's when things start picking August that's when things start picking August that's when things start picking up again and I'm really trying to find a up again and I'm really trying to find a up again and I'm really trying to find a nice large piece of time where I don't nice large piece of time where I don't nice large piece of time where I don't travel you know because it takes oh yeah travel you know because it takes oh yeah travel you know because it takes oh yeah a lot of you you know absolutely a lot of you you know absolutely a lot of you you know absolutely um and I I always get these things oh um and I I always get these things oh um and I I always get these things oh well you traveling everywhere it must be well you traveling everywhere it must be well you traveling everywhere it must be so fun it's like yeah it can be fun so fun it's like yeah it can be fun so fun it's like yeah it can be fun why the hell am I doing this why the hell am I doing this why the hell am I doing this this reminds me of my Consulting days this reminds me of my Consulting days this reminds me of my Consulting days yeah yeah yeah no I mean oh my gosh sometimes traveling no I mean oh my gosh sometimes traveling no I mean oh my gosh sometimes traveling is fun no doubt about it and we get to is fun no doubt about it and we get to is fun no doubt about it and we get to go to new places and see parts of the go to new places and see parts of the go to new places and see parts of the world that you wouldn't have seen world that you wouldn't have seen world that you wouldn't have seen otherwise just because of your job which otherwise just because of your job which otherwise just because of your job which has been great but you're right has been great but you're right has been great but you're right sometimes it starts to get old no doubt sometimes it starts to get old no doubt sometimes it starts to get old no doubt about it you know about it you know about it you know yeah so for if there's younger folks yeah so for if there's younger folks yeah so for if there's younger folks watching this show watching this show watching this show um yeah it's great learning when you're

um yeah it's great learning when you're um yeah it's great learning when you're doing it when you're younger right and doing it when you're younger right and doing it when you're younger right and yeah you have kids yeah you have kids yeah you have kids yeah the mortgage part happens then yeah the mortgage part happens then yeah the mortgage part happens then everything kind of changes you know I everything kind of changes you know I everything kind of changes you know I don't know about the kid part because I don't know about the kid part because I don't know about the kid part because I had kids later had kids later had kids later in life but uh when the kids kick in in life but uh when the kids kick in in life but uh when the kids kick in especially when they're really cute especially when they're really cute especially when they're really cute fishy and cuddly no ah it's really hard fishy and cuddly no ah it's really hard fishy and cuddly no ah it's really hard to leave town so Leonard did you see to leave town so Leonard did you see to leave town so Leonard did you see like you know arguably one of the like you know arguably one of the like you know arguably one of the world's top VCS you know banad kushla world's top VCS you know banad kushla world's top VCS you know banad kushla making his he's kind of he's kind of making his he's kind of he's kind of making his he's kind of he's kind of going crazy on Twitter lately I noticed going crazy on Twitter lately I noticed going crazy on Twitter lately I noticed and so uh and so uh and so uh he actually he got a lot of love for he actually he got a lot of love for he actually he got a lot of love for this tweet about Mackenzie this tweet about Mackenzie this tweet about Mackenzie for McKenzie I know I know for McKenzie I know I know for McKenzie I know I know um and then he then he really pissed off um and then he then he really pissed off um and then he then he really pissed off my wife because she's a she was an my wife because she's a she was an my wife because she's a she was an English major and she's a teacher and he English major and she's a teacher and he English major and she's a teacher and he posted um posted um posted um like how stupid it how dumb are you or like how stupid it how dumb are you or like how stupid it how dumb are you or how I forgot what it is to go major in how I forgot what it is to go major in how I forgot what it is to go major in English in college when that's your English in college when that's your English in college when that's your native language like what a waste of native language like what a waste of native language like what a waste of time that is you know and you should be time that is you know and you should be time that is you know and you should be doing something stem or whatever yeah doing something stem or whatever yeah doing something stem or whatever yeah and then how do you know how do you stem and then how do you know how do you stem and then how do you know how do you stem if you can't speak English in your own if you can't speak English in your own if you can't speak English in your own English I know so which is actually a English I know so which is actually a English I know so which is actually a problem yeah so he was he was basically problem yeah so he was he was basically problem yeah so he was he was basically just belittling you know Americans who just belittling you know Americans who just belittling you know Americans who might major in English might major in English might major in English and so uh you know Neil say there were a

and so uh you know Neil say there were a and so uh you know Neil say there were a lot of comments lot of comments lot of comments maybe you know this maybe he had a maybe you know this maybe he had a maybe you know this maybe he had a really tough day maybe so maybe so really tough day maybe so maybe so really tough day maybe so maybe so sometimes you have a tough day you know sometimes you have a tough day you know sometimes you have a tough day you know because you just have to point at him because you just have to point at him because you just have to point at him somehow and he felt like hey you know I somehow and he felt like hey you know I somehow and he felt like hey you know I gotta tweet this so maybe one of his gotta tweet this so maybe one of his gotta tweet this so maybe one of his portfolio companies just went out of portfolio companies just went out of portfolio companies just went out of business and he just lost six billion business and he just lost six billion business and he just lost six billion dollars overnight and so he was kind of dollars overnight and so he was kind of dollars overnight and so he was kind of irritated I don't know I don't know irritated I don't know I don't know irritated I don't know I don't know you're just making stuff up you know you're just making stuff up you know you're just making stuff up you know like what I I did a podcast recently like what I I did a podcast recently like what I I did a podcast recently with Debbie Reynolds and we're talking with Debbie Reynolds and we're talking with Debbie Reynolds and we're talking about about about um uh responsible AI it really starts um uh responsible AI it really starts um uh responsible AI it really starts with being accountable to yourself you with being accountable to yourself you with being accountable to yourself you know if you're gonna use know if you're gonna use know if you're gonna use and you get a bad outcome be ready to and you get a bad outcome be ready to and you get a bad outcome be ready to blame yourself blame yourself blame yourself not the tool or you know the resource not the tool or you know the resource not the tool or you know the resource that you hired you yeah and you're that you hired you yeah and you're that you hired you yeah and you're ultimately responsible and but then you ultimately responsible and but then you ultimately responsible and but then you know that that is kind of the game right know that that is kind of the game right know that that is kind of the game right I mean it's like how do I put the you I mean it's like how do I put the you I mean it's like how do I put the you know uh T's and C's together to offset know uh T's and C's together to offset know uh T's and C's together to offset the risk and the liability on someone the risk and the liability on someone the risk and the liability on someone else else else um yeah right business or your own um yeah right business or your own um yeah right business or your own portfolio I mean that's uh you know I portfolio I mean that's uh you know I portfolio I mean that's uh you know I think that's sort of the attitude think that's sort of the attitude think that's sort of the attitude um yeah I don't think it's a really um yeah I don't think it's a really um yeah I don't think it's a really healthy one healthy one healthy one um I suppose that's that can inspire you um I suppose that's that can inspire you um I suppose that's that can inspire you to write some funky stuff on Twitter to write some funky stuff on Twitter to write some funky stuff on Twitter we never do that though luckily we never do that though luckily we never do that though luckily I don't know sometimes you know we're I don't know sometimes you know we're I don't know sometimes you know we're only human we're only human we're only

only human we're only human we're only only human we're only human we're only human and so that's the other thing that human and so that's the other thing that human and so that's the other thing that we all have to remember and he's only we all have to remember and he's only we all have to remember and he's only human so he's only human he had a bad human so he's only human he had a bad human so he's only human he had a bad day day day and yeah and yeah and yeah yeah yeah yeah so I can't remember last week where you so I can't remember last week where you so I can't remember last week where you were at the uh sensor converge converge were at the uh sensor converge converge were at the uh sensor converge converge yeah great show yeah we did yeah yeah a yeah great show yeah we did yeah yeah a yeah great show yeah we did yeah yeah a lot of good a lot of good folks there lot of good a lot of good folks there lot of good a lot of good folks there showing off their sensors yeah yeah I showing off their sensors yeah yeah I showing off their sensors yeah yeah I mean yeah like I said mean yeah like I said mean yeah like I said um a lot and last week's episode um a lot and last week's episode um a lot and last week's episode um it's just probably one of those um it's just probably one of those um it's just probably one of those underappreciated levels of the iot underappreciated levels of the iot underappreciated levels of the iot probably the most essential uh probably probably the most essential uh probably probably the most essential uh probably the most essential yep the most essential yep the most essential yep um what I think is just really um what I think is just really um what I think is just really interesting is that interesting is that interesting is that uh what's happening there at that level uh what's happening there at that level uh what's happening there at that level just being able to immerse myself into just being able to immerse myself into just being able to immerse myself into um the conversations that the engineers um the conversations that the engineers um the conversations that the engineers and the scientists and the the and the scientists and the the and the scientists and the the um you know the product folks are you um you know the product folks are you um you know the product folks are you know what they're engaging with at that know what they're engaging with at that know what they're engaging with at that level and then you know the other thing level and then you know the other thing level and then you know the other thing um we talked about hpe um we talked about hpe um we talked about hpe you know this whole theme of hybrid you know this whole theme of hybrid you know this whole theme of hybrid hybrid cloud hybrid cloud hybrid cloud I think is really cool I think is really cool I think is really cool um this is all about Edge in the power um this is all about Edge in the power um this is all about Edge in the power of uh I don't want to say power

of uh I don't want to say power of uh I don't want to say power um how distributed computing is always um how distributed computing is always um how distributed computing is always has been discounted by the cloud has been discounted by the cloud has been discounted by the cloud narrative right and we already talked narrative right and we already talked narrative right and we already talked about earlier how you know it's weird about earlier how you know it's weird about earlier how you know it's weird how uh if you're in a a location with how uh if you're in a a location with how uh if you're in a a location with really poor service right that cloud really poor service right that cloud really poor service right that cloud dependent mobile application will dependent mobile application will dependent mobile application will actually start or even a phone will actually start or even a phone will actually start or even a phone will start to act really goofy and unreliably start to act really goofy and unreliably start to act really goofy and unreliably it's a testament yeah it's a testament yeah it's a testament yeah cloud computing is not all that is cloud computing is not all that is cloud computing is not all that is cracked up to be and I I saw a recent cracked up to be and I I saw a recent cracked up to be and I I saw a recent headline what is it like Microsoft is headline what is it like Microsoft is headline what is it like Microsoft is looking to go I don't know if this is looking to go I don't know if this is looking to go I don't know if this is true or not but it was a it was an true or not but it was a it was an true or not but it was a it was an article that was written based on I article that was written based on I article that was written based on I think a a press release from Microsoft think a a press release from Microsoft think a a press release from Microsoft that they're trying to move toward a that they're trying to move toward a that they're trying to move toward a cloud windows cloud windows cloud windows thing thing thing Cloud Windows thing Cloud Windows thing Cloud Windows thing uh and I'm like going I'm thinking man uh and I'm like going I'm thinking man uh and I'm like going I'm thinking man um um um really you know this is not a new really you know this is not a new really you know this is not a new thought thought thought um people have tried to do it we already um people have tried to do it we already um people have tried to do it we already have like you know have like you know have like you know um uh you know we already have explored um uh you know we already have explored um uh you know we already have explored this Avenue before yeah you just this Avenue before yeah you just this Avenue before yeah you just you know come to the realization that you know come to the realization that you know come to the realization that some of the best architectures are some of the best architectures are some of the best architectures are hybrid it's about fit for perfect hybrid it's about fit for perfect hybrid it's about fit for perfect right you know right you know right you know um I I I think um the the limit there

um I I I think um the the limit there um I I I think um the the limit there are there's a limit like what you're are there's a limit like what you're are there's a limit like what you're saying best uh maybe this this episode saying best uh maybe this this episode saying best uh maybe this this episode is going to be called the best effort is going to be called the best effort is going to be called the best effort episode you can do with a bunch of best effort you can do with a bunch of best effort between your data center and a freaking between your data center and a freaking between your data center and a freaking endpoint device yeah there's so much endpoint device yeah there's so much endpoint device yeah there's so much better that's why like this cloud gaming better that's why like this cloud gaming better that's why like this cloud gaming stuff never took off because on the edge stuff never took off because on the edge stuff never took off because on the edge do you realize the reason I'm for a do you realize the reason I'm for a do you realize the reason I'm for a while I switched from the iPhone to while I switched from the iPhone to while I switched from the iPhone to Samsung is when they came out with the Samsung is when they came out with the Samsung is when they came out with the Samsung whatever their their big one the Samsung whatever their their big one the Samsung whatever their their big one the 25g ultra 5G it had a like really long 25g ultra 5G it had a like really long 25g ultra 5G it had a like really long name it was their first 5G phone and 20 name it was their first 5G phone and 20 name it was their first 5G phone and 20 they even came with a deal that would they even came with a deal that would they even came with a deal that would hold it connected to a gaming console hold it connected to a gaming console hold it connected to a gaming console yeah the you know the controller look yeah the you know the controller look yeah the you know the controller look like a Xbox controller and it was all in like a Xbox controller and it was all in like a Xbox controller and it was all in with you know and they were aligning with you know and they were aligning with you know and they were aligning themselves with Microsoft and Xbox cloud themselves with Microsoft and Xbox cloud themselves with Microsoft and Xbox cloud gaming and I was like yeah and at the gaming and I was like yeah and at the gaming and I was like yeah and at the same time do you remember same time do you remember same time do you remember um um um gosh what was the gaming company that gosh what was the gaming company that gosh what was the gaming company that was suing Apple was suing Apple was suing Apple um because yeah yeah and so that was um because yeah yeah and so that was um because yeah yeah and so that was going on and there was this whole power going on and there was this whole power going on and there was this whole power of the people and Gamers thing and so I of the people and Gamers thing and so I of the people and Gamers thing and so I just jumped right on board and man that just jumped right on board and man that just jumped right on board and man that cloud that cloud gaming stuff just cloud that cloud gaming stuff just cloud that cloud gaming stuff just sucked yeah yeah sucked yeah yeah sucked yeah yeah you know anywhere um there was a you know anywhere um there was a you know anywhere um there was a narrative though it was like Samsung was narrative though it was like Samsung was narrative though it was like Samsung was like we're gonna be first with 5G we've

like we're gonna be first with 5G we've like we're gonna be first with 5G we've got our biggest screen possible on a got our biggest screen possible on a got our biggest screen possible on a smartphone and we got the it was it was smartphone and we got the it was it was smartphone and we got the it was it was a good idea it just didn't kind of work a good idea it just didn't kind of work a good idea it just didn't kind of work out back to that best effort thing you out back to that best effort thing you out back to that best effort thing you were talking about there yeah uh and you were talking about there yeah uh and you were talking about there yeah uh and you know it does and I think this is know it does and I think this is know it does and I think this is something that uh something that uh something that uh people I mean these companies need to people I mean these companies need to people I mean these companies need to think through right yeah think through right yeah think through right yeah and it's all you know the thing that and it's all you know the thing that and it's all you know the thing that really pisses me off dude is yeah really pisses me off dude is yeah really pisses me off dude is yeah freaking uh productivity tools that that freaking uh productivity tools that that freaking uh productivity tools that that that are Cloud synced first they're that are Cloud synced first they're that are Cloud synced first they're Cloud sync heavy and then it leaves Cloud sync heavy and then it leaves Cloud sync heavy and then it leaves nothing on your device and you know what nothing on your device and you know what nothing on your device and you know what we find ourselves in our oftentimes we find ourselves in our oftentimes we find ourselves in our oftentimes situations where we really need to situations where we really need to situations where we really need to um have access to data but also um have access to data but also um have access to data but also um perform an access to function and you um perform an access to function and you um perform an access to function and you know know know um like stuff like function I think um like stuff like function I think um like stuff like function I think functions like autocorrect and stuff functions like autocorrect and stuff functions like autocorrect and stuff like that that have to go all the way to like that that have to go all the way to like that that have to go all the way to the cloud and then back or in these the cloud and then back or in these the cloud and then back or in these features that are uh you know I've features that are uh you know I've features that are uh you know I've noticed that they really compromise the noticed that they really compromise the noticed that they really compromise the performance the application especially performance the application especially performance the application especially if you're offline in fact sometimes it's if you're offline in fact sometimes it's if you're offline in fact sometimes it's like non-functional you know and so uh like non-functional you know and so uh like non-functional you know and so uh it's just not that is not what business it's just not that is not what business it's just not that is not what business folks on the road want that is is folks on the road want that is is folks on the road want that is is negative you know negative you know negative you know when applications are so Cloud dependent

when applications are so Cloud dependent when applications are so Cloud dependent no bueno no bueno sorry sorry it's a lot no bueno no bueno sorry sorry it's a lot no bueno no bueno sorry sorry it's a lot of best effort and sometimes no of best effort and sometimes no of best effort and sometimes no connectivity between your endpoint connectivity between your endpoint connectivity between your endpoint device and the cloud which then took us device and the cloud which then took us device and the cloud which then took us to uh I mean obviously we've been to uh I mean obviously we've been to uh I mean obviously we've been talking about this Edge stuff for a long talking about this Edge stuff for a long talking about this Edge stuff for a long time but um time but um time but um the Telecom Edge uh that they you know the Telecom Edge uh that they you know the Telecom Edge uh that they you know folks like my old employer Erickson and folks like my old employer Erickson and folks like my old employer Erickson and others and then the mobile operators try others and then the mobile operators try others and then the mobile operators try to say oh the edge was somehow part of to say oh the edge was somehow part of to say oh the edge was somehow part of 5G and and we're gonna do the edge in 5G and and we're gonna do the edge in 5G and and we're gonna do the edge in base stations you know at the bottom of base stations you know at the bottom of base stations you know at the bottom of cell towers and in invisible Telecom cell towers and in invisible Telecom cell towers and in invisible Telecom Metro data centers yeah because the Metro data centers yeah because the Metro data centers yeah because the cloud gaming thing cloud gaming thing cloud gaming thing didn't pan out and it was like well if didn't pan out and it was like well if didn't pan out and it was like well if we can push that gaming cloud gaming we can push that gaming cloud gaming we can push that gaming cloud gaming node closer to you node closer to you node closer to you where your phone is then maybe you'll where your phone is then maybe you'll where your phone is then maybe you'll have a good experience and I I certainly have a good experience and I I certainly have a good experience and I I certainly remember remember remember at Erickson we talked a lot about gaming at Erickson we talked a lot about gaming at Erickson we talked a lot about gaming being an edge Edge use case for for 5G being an edge Edge use case for for 5G being an edge Edge use case for for 5G um and I get it in theory um and I get it in theory um and I get it in theory what a lot of people don't know is how what a lot of people don't know is how what a lot of people don't know is how much more complex Edge like that is and much more complex Edge like that is and much more complex Edge like that is and what I mean by that is yeah from an what I mean by that is yeah from an what I mean by that is yeah from an architecture standpoint if it's a cloud architecture standpoint if it's a cloud architecture standpoint if it's a cloud you know here's my cloud and I got a you know here's my cloud and I got a you know here's my cloud and I got a billion guys all going into one-to-many billion guys all going into one-to-many billion guys all going into one-to-many thing but if it's an edge I've got cloud thing but if it's an edge I've got cloud thing but if it's an edge I've got cloud and then all these Edge nodes and then and then all these Edge nodes and then and then all these Edge nodes and then all the people going to Edge nodes and

all the people going to Edge nodes and all the people going to Edge nodes and they've all got to synchronize with each they've all got to synchronize with each they've all got to synchronize with each other and can you imagine doing a other and can you imagine doing a other and can you imagine doing a multiplayer game and you know if you're multiplayer game and you know if you're multiplayer game and you know if you're if the people you're playing against or if the people you're playing against or if the people you're playing against or on your cell tower or maybe within a few on your cell tower or maybe within a few on your cell tower or maybe within a few miles of you maybe that works great but miles of you maybe that works great but miles of you maybe that works great but if the someone you're playing against us if the someone you're playing against us if the someone you're playing against us in another country it kind of blows up in another country it kind of blows up in another country it kind of blows up the whole thing the whole thing the whole thing in fact it could be slower because we're in fact it could be slower because we're in fact it could be slower because we're having to synchronize edges because having to synchronize edges because having to synchronize edges because they're saying well we're going to give they're saying well we're going to give they're saying well we're going to give Edge to your other gamer opponent that's Edge to your other gamer opponent that's Edge to your other gamer opponent that's in Munich and you've got your Edge thing in Munich and you've got your Edge thing in Munich and you've got your Edge thing but to keep them in sync we're having to but to keep them in sync we're having to but to keep them in sync we're having to synchronize those Edge nodes maybe synchronize those Edge nodes maybe synchronize those Edge nodes maybe through the cloud or peer-to-peer through the cloud or peer-to-peer through the cloud or peer-to-peer yeah you know and and and to realize yeah you know and and and to realize yeah you know and and and to realize these these these consistent reliable and Equitable con consistent reliable and Equitable con consistent reliable and Equitable con connectivity for some of these real-time connectivity for some of these real-time connectivity for some of these real-time applications like what people have been applications like what people have been applications like what people have been envisioning cloud gaming would be envisioning cloud gaming would be envisioning cloud gaming would be um requires some it requires so much um requires some it requires so much um requires some it requires so much um re-engineering of the network uh um re-engineering of the network uh um re-engineering of the network uh you know the the question boils down to you know the the question boils down to you know the the question boils down to well who's going to benefit uh from the well who's going to benefit uh from the well who's going to benefit uh from the investment right so our career is going investment right so our career is going investment right so our career is going to invest all this money into making to invest all this money into making to invest all this money into making stuff stuff stuff uh deterministic from you know like the uh deterministic from you know like the uh deterministic from you know like the core of the network all the way to every core of the network all the way to every core of the network all the way to every single device I mean think about all the single device I mean think about all the single device I mean think about all the Hops and interfaces and you know Hops and interfaces and you know Hops and interfaces and you know transitions that you have hops that you

transitions that you have hops that you transitions that you have hops that you have to to uh optimize and make reliable have to to uh optimize and make reliable have to to uh optimize and make reliable for some of these Visions to happen it's for some of these Visions to happen it's for some of these Visions to happen it's it's it's super tough yeah it does so it's it's super tough yeah it does so it's it's super tough yeah it does so um yeah I mean same goes with the xrar um yeah I mean same goes with the xrar um yeah I mean same goes with the xrar um yeah um yeah um yeah you know I think you know I think you know I think yeah that's the problem it's like what yeah that's the problem it's like what yeah that's the problem it's like what do I say it's like look think things do I say it's like look think things do I say it's like look think things through and then you'll you'll be better through and then you'll you'll be better through and then you'll you'll be better off for it you know off for it you know off for it you know um dude absolutely assumptions that you um dude absolutely assumptions that you um dude absolutely assumptions that you have for different use cases do they have for different use cases do they have for different use cases do they actually make sense I mean it's classic actually make sense I mean it's classic actually make sense I mean it's classic what we've seen in iot right people what we've seen in iot right people what we've seen in iot right people didn't think things through they just didn't think things through they just didn't think things through they just thought they were either a sensor maker thought they were either a sensor maker thought they were either a sensor maker or a module maker or a device maker or a or a module maker or a device maker or a or a module maker or a device maker or a network guy or a cloud guy all had this network guy or a cloud guy all had this network guy or a cloud guy all had this vision of um you know how they're going vision of um you know how they're going vision of um you know how they're going to make a gajillion dollars all right to make a gajillion dollars all right to make a gajillion dollars all right and they I mean it's obvious because and they I mean it's obvious because and they I mean it's obvious because over the three years we've been doing over the three years we've been doing over the three years we've been doing the show we've just made Point by Point the show we've just made Point by Point the show we've just made Point by Point by Point observation of about it how by Point observation of about it how by Point observation of about it how people just didn't think these things people just didn't think these things people just didn't think these things through right and and it's probably yeah through right and and it's probably yeah through right and and it's probably yeah this is why we have so many uh uh and this is why we have so many uh uh and this is why we have so many uh uh and this isn't a joke and we don't know hey this isn't a joke and we don't know hey this isn't a joke and we don't know hey look full disclosure we don't have a look full disclosure we don't have a look full disclosure we don't have a gajillion viewers but we have some gajillion viewers but we have some gajillion viewers but we have some really really really um if you knew who watches the show um if you knew who watches the show um if you knew who watches the show you'd be freaked out because I kind of you'd be freaked out because I kind of you'd be freaked out because I kind of get freaked out sometimes too get freaked out sometimes too get freaked out sometimes too but yeah but yeah but yeah yeah you know

yeah you know yeah you know um um um that that's why people watch the show that that's why people watch the show that that's why people watch the show you know what I'm saying they get the you know what I'm saying they get the you know what I'm saying they get the real deal and we um I imagined real deal and we um I imagined real deal and we um I imagined superimposing a gif superimposing a gif superimposing a gif of Cuba Gooding Jr saying show me the of Cuba Gooding Jr saying show me the of Cuba Gooding Jr saying show me the money money money um you know um you know um you know um you know and um um you know and um um you know and um and then superimposing that in front of and then superimposing that in front of and then superimposing that in front of every mobile operator who thought they every mobile operator who thought they every mobile operator who thought they were going to get rich off of iot every were going to get rich off of iot every were going to get rich off of iot every module maker all these different players module maker all these different players module maker all these different players who did their point solution or their who did their point solution or their who did their point solution or their their piece of the pie or the platform their piece of the pie or the platform their piece of the pie or the platform players and the cloud who have all players and the cloud who have all players and the cloud who have all collapsed yeah most all of them have collapsed yeah most all of them have collapsed yeah most all of them have yeah and they're just like show me the yeah and they're just like show me the yeah and they're just like show me the money you know money you know money you know um and and it's kind of it's kind of a um and and it's kind of it's kind of a um and and it's kind of it's kind of a weird deal you know and you know how weird deal you know and you know how weird deal you know and you know how things go when things don't make money things go when things don't make money things go when things don't make money people move along and move on yeah and people move along and move on yeah and people move along and move on yeah and go to something else you know go to something else you know go to something else you know um which was an interesting perspective um which was an interesting perspective um which was an interesting perspective on iot right yeah yeah I know you know on iot right yeah yeah I know you know on iot right yeah yeah I know you know what I I hopefully we're not depressing what I I hopefully we're not depressing what I I hopefully we're not depressing people people people you know I I think the way I look at it you know I I think the way I look at it you know I I think the way I look at it is we're just trying to help people is we're just trying to help people is we're just trying to help people think about the way it is so that they think about the way it is so that they think about the way it is so that they can they can have a better strategy can they can have a better strategy can they can have a better strategy you know well you know what if you um you know well you know what if you um you know well you know what if you um this should be helpful stuff this should be helpful stuff this should be helpful stuff yeah I guess all I would say is if yeah I guess all I would say is if yeah I guess all I would say is if you're disgruntled by iot or whatever

you're disgruntled by iot or whatever you're disgruntled by iot or whatever if you don't have it though if you don't have it though if you don't have it though I think of iot I mean no doubt about it I think of iot I mean no doubt about it I think of iot I mean no doubt about it early days it's sexy it's exciting it's early days it's sexy it's exciting it's early days it's sexy it's exciting it's new and now a lot of times you and I say new and now a lot of times you and I say new and now a lot of times you and I say it's just Plumbing for data it's just Plumbing for data it's just Plumbing for data um but guess what episode that exciting um but guess what episode that exciting um but guess what episode that exciting hotness of AI doesn't exist if you don't hotness of AI doesn't exist if you don't hotness of AI doesn't exist if you don't have this boring Plumbing it just have this boring Plumbing it just have this boring Plumbing it just doesn't exist and so if your goal is to doesn't exist and so if your goal is to doesn't exist and so if your goal is to have all that have all that have all that Nvidia AI hotness happening in your life Nvidia AI hotness happening in your life Nvidia AI hotness happening in your life yeah you will first have to do iot to yeah you will first have to do iot to yeah you will first have to do iot to get the data no and then we can plug in get the data no and then we can plug in get the data no and then we can plug in a new show me the money deal when you a new show me the money deal when you a new show me the money deal when you know you actually got the money yeah and know you actually got the money yeah and know you actually got the money yeah and speaking of data the biggest I mean you speaking of data the biggest I mean you speaking of data the biggest I mean you know AI has its problems that don't get know AI has its problems that don't get know AI has its problems that don't get talked about enough talked about enough talked about enough but uh yeah this is why you know before but uh yeah this is why you know before but uh yeah this is why you know before the Gen AI craze I mean AI was on a on a the Gen AI craze I mean AI was on a on a the Gen AI craze I mean AI was on a on a downslope uh because downslope uh because downslope uh because um you know people didn't think about um you know people didn't think about um you know people didn't think about the data but not in the way that people the data but not in the way that people the data but not in the way that people talked about the data problem that the talked about the data problem that the talked about the data problem that the problem is holes in data yeah problem is holes in data yeah problem is holes in data yeah um without iot and without strategically um without iot and without strategically um without iot and without strategically plugging in gaps in your visibility plugging in gaps in your visibility plugging in gaps in your visibility right right right you will not have a good AI like what you will not have a good AI like what you will not have a good AI like what you're saying Rob it's

you're saying Rob it's you're saying Rob it's it's no data AI yeah no AI slow math it's no data AI yeah no AI slow math it's no data AI yeah no AI slow math data bad data bad AI poison data bad AI data bad data bad AI poison data bad AI data bad data bad AI poison data bad AI yeah no I mean can you hallucinate the yeah no I mean can you hallucinate the yeah no I mean can you hallucinate the gaps sure that's what you should expect no iot you that's what you should expect no iot you get hallucinations boom there you go or get hallucinations boom there you go or get hallucinations boom there you go or if you don't have iot you're if you don't have iot you're if you don't have iot you're hallucinating you're hallucinating hallucinating you're hallucinating hallucinating you're hallucinating that's what's happening exactly exactly that's what's happening exactly exactly that's what's happening exactly exactly you must be hallucinating yeah because you must be hallucinating yeah because you must be hallucinating yeah because chat GPT is hallucinating because chat GPT is hallucinating because chat GPT is hallucinating because there's gaps in the data the data so how there's gaps in the data the data so how there's gaps in the data the data so how do you fill those caps iot plumbers to do you fill those caps iot plumbers to do you fill those caps iot plumbers to the recipe we're coming to your house the recipe we're coming to your house the recipe we're coming to your house yeah you either May crap up or you you yeah you either May crap up or you you yeah you either May crap up or you you get a plumber out there to fill the the get a plumber out there to fill the the get a plumber out there to fill the the Gap in the real world yeah you're right Gap in the real world yeah you're right Gap in the real world yeah you're right I mean it takes us back to maybe maybe I mean it takes us back to maybe maybe I mean it takes us back to maybe maybe this should be a trade school thing iot this should be a trade school thing iot this should be a trade school thing iot is Plumbing you want to learn to be a is Plumbing you want to learn to be a is Plumbing you want to learn to be a plumber an electrician a welder plumber an electrician a welder plumber an electrician a welder an iot or yeah but no I mean think about it man if I if but no I mean think about it man if I if I have like a clogging toilet dude think I have like a clogging toilet dude think I have like a clogging toilet dude think about how much it costs to get a truck about how much it costs to get a truck about how much it costs to get a truck roll out here roll out here roll out here you know exactly exactly you know like you know exactly exactly you know like you know exactly exactly you know like the do-it-yourself stuff I mean dude the do-it-yourself stuff I mean dude the do-it-yourself stuff I mean dude that so if you haven't watched the

that so if you haven't watched the that so if you haven't watched the plumber episode okay I don't know which plumber episode okay I don't know which plumber episode okay I don't know which number it is number it is number it is you need to watch it you need to watch it you need to watch it episode episode episode 1025. oh my God yeah buy a truck buy it but like a iot sensor buy a truck buy it but like a iot sensor like a big mold of an iot sensor because like a big mold of an iot sensor because like a big mold of an iot sensor because you know like you know the rat you know like you know the rat you know like you know the rat controller pest control companies yeah controller pest control companies yeah controller pest control companies yeah like an iot sensor or a Gateway whatever like an iot sensor or a Gateway whatever like an iot sensor or a Gateway whatever buy some overalls you need it overall buy some overalls you need it overall buy some overalls you need it overall because you're going to be bending because you're going to be bending because you're going to be bending overalls yeah on your knee right quite a overalls yeah on your knee right quite a overalls yeah on your knee right quite a bit to install some of these sensors and bit to install some of these sensors and bit to install some of these sensors and devices devices devices and freaking kind of coming together and freaking kind of coming together and freaking kind of coming together feels like a plumber job to me feels like a plumber job to me feels like a plumber job to me it is that's why the people who are it is that's why the people who are it is that's why the people who are expecting uh to make a gajillion out of expecting uh to make a gajillion out of expecting uh to make a gajillion out of just the data don't they don't make just the data don't they don't make just the data don't they don't make money it's the truck roll that's what money it's the truck roll that's what money it's the truck roll that's what you mean tonight yeah you mean tonight yeah you mean tonight yeah right exactly you know you're loving me right exactly you know you're loving me right exactly you know you're loving me now you're loving me now now you're loving me now now you're loving me now exactly you know Did we tell all of our fans the millions Did we tell all of our fans the millions of people watching that if we see them of people watching that if we see them of people watching that if we see them out on the street wearing our shirt what out on the street wearing our shirt what out on the street wearing our shirt what they're gonna get they're gonna get they're gonna get no actually I have no idea what they're no actually I have no idea what they're no actually I have no idea what they're gonna get gonna get gonna get it's like the you know hallucinating it's like the you know hallucinating it's like the you know hallucinating this like the radio stations if we see this like the radio stations if we see this like the radio stations if we see you out on the street wearing rubber you you out on the street wearing rubber you you out on the street wearing rubber you may win ten thousand dollars right on

may win ten thousand dollars right on may win ten thousand dollars right on the spot oh I see you're wearing an iot Coffee oh I see you're wearing an iot Coffee Talk shirt on the street you will win Talk shirt on the street you will win Talk shirt on the street you will win one dollar on the sponge guaranteed yeah via Apple pay because I don't carry yeah via Apple pay because I don't carry cash around anymore so I know I I can't cash around anymore so I know I I can't cash around anymore so I know I I can't a long time ago we might have said we'll a long time ago we might have said we'll a long time ago we might have said we'll give you one Bitcoin on the spot but now give you one Bitcoin on the spot but now give you one Bitcoin on the spot but now we can't afford that we can't afford that we can't afford that yeah oh my gosh Good Times yeah wow yeah oh my gosh Good Times yeah wow yeah oh my gosh Good Times yeah wow we're up on time here so absolutely it's we're up on time here so absolutely it's we're up on time here so absolutely it's out bro yes thanks everybody for joining out bro yes thanks everybody for joining out bro yes thanks everybody for joining us on this celebrity infused iot Coffee us on this celebrity infused iot Coffee us on this celebrity infused iot Coffee Talk we've got plumbers we have our Talk we've got plumbers we have our Talk we've got plumbers we have our special guest Bill who is in the airport special guest Bill who is in the airport special guest Bill who is in the airport in Portland how cool is that he's gonna in Portland how cool is that he's gonna in Portland how cool is that he's gonna go tell those nist people what's what we go tell those nist people what's what we go tell those nist people what's what we all talked about hybrid we're talking all talked about hybrid we're talking all talked about hybrid we're talking about best effort is clearly the best about best effort is clearly the best about best effort is clearly the best effort episode just like Leonard and I effort episode just like Leonard and I effort episode just like Leonard and I are giving it you our best effort every are giving it you our best effort every are giving it you our best effort every week week week sometimes we fail that is like just like sometimes we fail that is like just like sometimes we fail that is like just like your mobile operator might let you down your mobile operator might let you down your mobile operator might let you down or the plumbing the network you know or the plumbing the network you know or the plumbing the network you know those tubes that make the internet work those tubes that make the internet work those tubes that make the internet work lots of best effort going on anyway lots of best effort going on anyway lots of best effort going on anyway thanks for joining us you can check us thanks for joining us you can check us thanks for joining us you can check us out on iotcoffee talk.com go to YouTube out on iotcoffee talk.com go to YouTube out on iotcoffee talk.com go to YouTube go to the podcast wherever you got go to the podcast wherever you got go to the podcast wherever you got podcasts and uh hey podcasts and uh hey podcasts and uh hey if you're in the status you need us have if you're in the status you need us have if you're in the status you need us have a long fun Fourth of July weekend and

a long fun Fourth of July weekend and a long fun Fourth of July weekend and we'll see you on the other side and we'll see you on the other side and we'll see you on the other side and maybe Jimi Hendrix will show up next maybe Jimi Hendrix will show up next maybe Jimi Hendrix will show up next week next week you know with a pretty week next week you know with a pretty week next week you know with a pretty cool solo from Woodstock and by the way cool solo from Woodstock and by the way cool solo from Woodstock and by the way Rob congratulations for being one of the Rob congratulations for being one of the Rob congratulations for being one of the uh top 50 uh top 50 uh top 50 influencers in 5G influencers in 5G influencers in 5G analytica's list of who's who in 5G so analytica's list of who's who in 5G so analytica's list of who's who in 5G so you too bro I think I think we must have you too bro I think I think we must have you too bro I think I think we must have said 5G enough times on social media to said 5G enough times on social media to said 5G enough times on social media to get that award I'm waiting for the like get that award I'm waiting for the like get that award I'm waiting for the like the UPS or FedEx truck to show up with a the UPS or FedEx truck to show up with a the UPS or FedEx truck to show up with a big trophy yeah could we get a big big trophy yeah could we get a big big trophy yeah could we get a big trophy or something a big giant line trophy or something a big giant line trophy or something a big giant line yeah you always get these really sharp yeah you always get these really sharp yeah you always get these really sharp ones that look very dangerous that you ones that look very dangerous that you ones that look very dangerous that you shouldn't take on a plane shouldn't take on a plane shouldn't take on a plane probably not probably not probably not hi foreign foreign [Music]