IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 149 - Sidewalk

oh hey you know I'm pretending I'm oh hey you know I'm pretending I'm playing something playing something playing something this is a freaking this Yeti sucks by this is a freaking this Yeti sucks by this is a freaking this Yeti sucks by the way people at blue or whatever the way people at blue or whatever the way people at blue or whatever um fix this damn thing um fix this damn thing um fix this damn thing I mean I'm like blasting and you guys I mean I'm like blasting and you guys I mean I'm like blasting and you guys can't hear me hear me it's like why is can't hear me hear me it's like why is can't hear me hear me it's like why is it doing that it's so iffy it doing that it's so iffy it doing that it's so iffy a music cancellation thing on it or a music cancellation thing on it or a music cancellation thing on it or something no idea maybe I play so bad something no idea maybe I play so bad something no idea maybe I play so bad that is spawn um nope that is spawn um nope that is spawn um nope it's chat bot AI I can't stand his music it's chat bot AI I can't stand his music it's chat bot AI I can't stand his music that that's what it is that's what it is that that's what it is that's what it is that that's what it is that's what it is it's um it's basically it's um it's basically it's um it's basically um cat gbt getting pissed off at me um cat gbt getting pissed off at me um cat gbt getting pissed off at me because it's finding out that I'm because it's finding out that I'm because it's finding out that I'm talking all kinds of crap about talking all kinds of crap about talking all kinds of crap about generative air I was like man we're generative air I was like man we're generative air I was like man we're gonna screw with this guy you know where gonna screw with this guy you know where gonna screw with this guy you know where it is it's all out there somewhere it is it's all out there somewhere it is it's all out there somewhere yeah it is oh my God so Rob where are yeah it is oh my God so Rob where are yeah it is oh my God so Rob where are you oh oh Rob see this is why we need 5G people Rob see this is why we need 5G people Rob see this is why we need 5G people for 5G seriously I mean if there's any for 5G seriously I mean if there's any for 5G seriously I mean if there's any argument for 5G indoors it's what's argument for 5G indoors it's what's argument for 5G indoors it's what's happening to Rob right now right carbon happening to Rob right now right carbon happening to Rob right now right carbon tracking and Reporting conference can you hear me anybody hello barely can you hear me anybody hello barely barely yeah don't tell us you're at the barely yeah don't tell us you're at the barely yeah don't tell us you're at the Wi-Fi Alliance meeting Wi-Fi Alliance meeting Wi-Fi Alliance meeting conference that would be really bad

conference that would be really bad conference that would be really bad I'll switch to Wi-Fi and see if that I'll switch to Wi-Fi and see if that I'll switch to Wi-Fi and see if that yeah to talk about Wi-Fi Wi-Fi yeah to talk about Wi-Fi Wi-Fi yeah to talk about Wi-Fi Wi-Fi what was that right I mean absolutely what was that right I mean absolutely what was that right I mean absolutely better we be retired or dead by then oh better we be retired or dead by then oh better we be retired or dead by then oh my God yeah yeah my God yeah yeah my God yeah yeah wow so hey what's going on guys uh wow so hey what's going on guys uh wow so hey what's going on guys uh welcome to everyone's iot Coffee Talk by welcome to everyone's iot Coffee Talk by welcome to everyone's iot Coffee Talk by the way the way the way I always forget that and by the way I always forget that and by the way I always forget that and by the way don't take anything that we say don't take anything that we say don't take anything that we say seriously because if you do seriously because if you do seriously because if you do you need to go to the hospital you need to go to the hospital you need to go to the hospital go to a psychiatrist because there's go to a psychiatrist because there's go to a psychiatrist because there's nothing serious happening here we're nothing serious happening here we're nothing serious happening here we're just blowing off steam right if you just blowing off steam right if you just blowing off steam right if you wanted this functionality here where you wanted this functionality here where you wanted this functionality here where you got yeah it works exactly well I wanted got yeah it works exactly well I wanted got yeah it works exactly well I wanted to bring up I wanted to bring up uh the to bring up I wanted to bring up uh the to bring up I wanted to bring up uh the Amazon sidewalk announcement Amazon sidewalk announcement Amazon sidewalk announcement oh yeah that's that's interesting it's oh yeah that's that's interesting it's oh yeah that's that's interesting it's amazing that they have as much of a amazing that they have as much of a amazing that they have as much of a footprint as they do I I think it's footprint as they do I I think it's footprint as they do I I think it's because they do well you know um my my because they do well you know um my my because they do well you know um my my question is question is question is um what do they default to um what do they default to um what do they default to is it opt-in or opt out and do people is it opt-in or opt out and do people is it opt-in or opt out and do people know that it's even on know that it's even on know that it's even on the fact that you have to ask the the fact that you have to ask the the fact that you have to ask the question means that you know the question means that you know the question means that you know the well you know what it bothers me because well you know what it bothers me because well you know what it bothers me because you know I was you I was you know all I you know I was you I was you know all I you know I was you I was you know all I think I think I don't know if this is think I think I don't know if this is think I think I don't know if this is true but as far as what I've seen true but as far as what I've seen true but as far as what I've seen um a lot of the uh Microsoft stuff by um a lot of the uh Microsoft stuff by um a lot of the uh Microsoft stuff by default it turns on all of the default it turns on all of the default it turns on all of the quote-unquote ai-ish functions and and I

quote-unquote ai-ish functions and and I quote-unquote ai-ish functions and and I don't know what they're doing with the don't know what they're doing with the don't know what they're doing with the generative stuff but I've gone I've generative stuff but I've gone I've generative stuff but I've gone I've actually had to go through research and actually had to go through research and actually had to go through research and figure out how to shut everything off figure out how to shut everything off figure out how to shut everything off because number one you know the because number one you know the because number one you know the predictive typing stuff is annoying as predictive typing stuff is annoying as predictive typing stuff is annoying as hell hell hell you know I I don't want it and so uh you you know I I don't want it and so uh you you know I I don't want it and so uh you know I was I was you know I was know I was I was you know I was know I was I was you know I was wondering okay how does this thing wondering okay how does this thing wondering okay how does this thing actually work and is it actually is it actually work and is it actually is it actually work and is it actually is it sending sending sending what I'm typing in my emails and stuff what I'm typing in my emails and stuff what I'm typing in my emails and stuff to the end you know to Microsoft to the end you know to Microsoft to the end you know to Microsoft and so I I killed all that stuff I don't and so I I killed all that stuff I don't and so I I killed all that stuff I don't want it how were you able to find that want it how were you able to find that want it how were you able to find that they they have uh features there's a a they they have uh features there's a a they they have uh features there's a a couple of privacy and secure privacy couple of privacy and secure privacy couple of privacy and secure privacy features that allow you to switch it off features that allow you to switch it off features that allow you to switch it off but it was on and I know I never turned but it was on and I know I never turned but it was on and I know I never turned it on it on it on you know what I'm saying it's like one you know what I'm saying it's like one you know what I'm saying it's like one day all of a sudden when a word started day all of a sudden when a word started day all of a sudden when a word started you know suggesting uh things and asking you know suggesting uh things and asking you know suggesting uh things and asking me well do you want to hit tab for uh me well do you want to hit tab for uh me well do you want to hit tab for uh you know to uh use the predicted um text you know to uh use the predicted um text you know to uh use the predicted um text so I don't know so I don't know so I don't know um so what's Amazon doing um so what's Amazon doing um so what's Amazon doing yeah well I know it's an opt-out I mean yeah well I know it's an opt-out I mean yeah well I know it's an opt-out I mean David's right it's an opt out you have David's right it's an opt out you have David's right it's an opt out you have to you have to select the opt out of to you have to select the opt out of to you have to select the opt out of this thing but that's my issue my issue this thing but that's my issue my issue this thing but that's my issue my issue is is is think about how they filled out that think about how they filled out that think about how they filled out that coverage map coverage map coverage map yeah yeah yeah right so there's no I I'm gonna say 95 right so there's no I I'm gonna say 95 right so there's no I I'm gonna say 95 of those dots on those Maps of those dots on those Maps of those dots on those Maps don't know that they are on a public map

don't know that they are on a public map don't know that they are on a public map no way no way no way do you have a ring for sure you bought a do you have a ring for sure you bought a do you have a ring for sure you bought a ring camera you know Best Buy there's no ring camera you know Best Buy there's no ring camera you know Best Buy there's no freaking way you knew that you were freaking way you knew that you were freaking way you knew that you were going to become a a buy an Amazon map there's no freaking buy an Amazon map there's no freaking way no no casual consumer way no no casual consumer way no no casual consumer I I mean I'm sorry they they just don't I I mean I'm sorry they they just don't I I mean I'm sorry they they just don't they don't even they'll go uh what's they don't even they'll go uh what's they don't even they'll go uh what's that you know that you know that you know disgusting yeah well I know there's not disgusting yeah well I know there's not disgusting yeah well I know there's not going to be you know any anytime soon going to be you know any anytime soon going to be you know any anytime soon we're gonna see a uh we're gonna see a uh we're gonna see a uh bunch of people with ring cameras trying bunch of people with ring cameras trying bunch of people with ring cameras trying to get you know some money back from AWS to get you know some money back from AWS to get you know some money back from AWS uh that's not happening uh that's not happening uh that's not happening but you know but hey but you know what but you know but hey but you know what but you know but hey but you know what on the uh on the uh on the uh I don't know I think there's a positive I don't know I think there's a positive I don't know I think there's a positive spin to it if you're if you're a Creator spin to it if you're if you're a Creator spin to it if you're if you're a Creator if you're a developer that you know if you're a developer that you know if you're a developer that you know wants to throw something on it because wants to throw something on it because wants to throw something on it because here's the thing I asked here's the thing I asked here's the thing I asked and take the coverage map for what it is and take the coverage map for what it is and take the coverage map for what it is uh what I think is clever that you uh what I think is clever that you uh what I think is clever that you basically have these nodes out there in basically have these nodes out there in basically have these nodes out there in consumer land out there and you know and consumer land out there and you know and consumer land out there and you know and if you have a a DOT an echo a a a ring if you have a a DOT an echo a a a ring if you have a a DOT an echo a a a ring camera whatever these devices that means camera whatever these devices that means camera whatever these devices that means you have decent internet to backhaul it you have decent internet to backhaul it you have decent internet to backhaul it which that user is paying for and which that user is paying for and which that user is paying for and someone can just you know tack onto uh someone can just you know tack onto uh someone can just you know tack onto uh so you know I think I think that bit is so you know I think I think that bit is so you know I think I think that bit is clever and we'll see uh we'll see how clever and we'll see uh we'll see how clever and we'll see uh we'll see how many things you know uh get many things you know uh get many things you know uh get commercialized on this thing and uh commercialized on this thing and uh commercialized on this thing and uh we'll see you know everyone's just gonna

we'll see you know everyone's just gonna we'll see you know everyone's just gonna talk crap about why well helium thought talk crap about why well helium thought talk crap about why well helium thought about this first well how they doing and about this first well how they doing and about this first well how they doing and well you know you're gonna need friends well you know you're gonna need friends well you know you're gonna need friends similarity um it's similar but not uh no I mean the um it's similar but not uh no I mean the question is is is Amazon paying the question is is is Amazon paying the question is is is Amazon paying the people who are hosting hosting and uh people who are hosting hosting and uh people who are hosting hosting and uh you know who have bought the you know who have bought the you know who have bought the infrastructure and are paying for the infrastructure and are paying for the infrastructure and are paying for the electricity electricity electricity are they typically just uh using what they would typically just uh using what they would call unutilized or underutilized call unutilized or underutilized call unutilized or underutilized um you know resources and then they um you know resources and then they um you know resources and then they themselves are just packaging it and themselves are just packaging it and themselves are just packaging it and selling it and making a profit off of selling it and making a profit off of selling it and making a profit off of you know you know you know infrastructure I have a business partner that's playing I have a business partner that's playing with sidewalk they've actually built a with sidewalk they've actually built a with sidewalk they've actually built a module uh for because it's a Laura module uh for because it's a Laura module uh for because it's a Laura module basically you know as a combo module basically you know as a combo module basically you know as a combo um the question came up is saying that um the question came up is saying that um the question came up is saying that let's just say they came to the iot let's just say they came to the iot let's just say they came to the iot sensors store that we're building or my sensors store that we're building or my sensors store that we're building or my other little company that I have and we other little company that I have and we other little company that I have and we sell sidewalk compatible centers sell sidewalk compatible centers sell sidewalk compatible centers and subscription for the mobile app for and subscription for the mobile app for and subscription for the mobile app for a one-year program yeah do I owe any a one-year program yeah do I owe any a one-year program yeah do I owe any money to anybody like I would on any money to anybody like I would on any money to anybody like I would on any other network other network other network I mean I'm selling connectivity on a

I mean I'm selling connectivity on a I mean I'm selling connectivity on a free network that is basically under the free network that is basically under the free network that is basically under the ownership of an in of you know David's ownership of an in of you know David's ownership of an in of you know David's house you know what I mean house you know what I mean house you know what I mean and then do I do I charge sales tax and then do I do I charge sales tax and then do I do I charge sales tax because it's on a free network because it's on a free network because it's on a free network yeah yeah yeah um all that is I mean you know that's um all that is I mean you know that's um all that is I mean you know that's where regulations where regulations where regulations lag Innovation right I mean at some lag Innovation right I mean at some lag Innovation right I mean at some point somebody's gonna say and there's point somebody's gonna say and there's point somebody's gonna say and there's gonna I don't know and maybe there's an gonna I don't know and maybe there's an gonna I don't know and maybe there's an AWS person who can jump on or Alexa a AWS person who can jump on or Alexa a AWS person who can jump on or Alexa a person that can jump on and correct the person that can jump on and correct the person that can jump on and correct the super wrong I mean we could be wrong super wrong I mean we could be wrong super wrong I mean we could be wrong right but right but right but um somebody will you know they'll don't um somebody will you know they'll don't um somebody will you know they'll don't be a class action suit and saying hey be a class action suit and saying hey be a class action suit and saying hey look we didn't know this stuff and you look we didn't know this stuff and you look we didn't know this stuff and you know that whole typical yeah you know I know that whole typical yeah you know I know that whole typical yeah you know I mean I mean I I used Rob as an example mean I mean I I used Rob as an example mean I mean I I used Rob as an example in the conversation yesterday I said in the conversation yesterday I said in the conversation yesterday I said just imagine that Tiffany turned around just imagine that Tiffany turned around just imagine that Tiffany turned around and went to a farm or an orchard in and went to a farm or an orchard in and went to a farm or an orchard in Eastern Washington and put up 10 Eastern Washington and put up 10 Eastern Washington and put up 10 ring cameras or Echoes that are in an ring cameras or Echoes that are in an ring cameras or Echoes that are in an IP67 case out in the middle of an IP67 case out in the middle of an IP67 case out in the middle of an orchard and put the lore sensors to go orchard and put the lore sensors to go orchard and put the lore sensors to go through from there into there and he through from there into there and he through from there into there and he doesn't have to pay for anything doesn't have to pay for anything doesn't have to pay for anything boom I mean you know it depends on what boom I mean you know it depends on what boom I mean you know it depends on what you mean by it doesn't have to pay for you mean by it doesn't have to pay for you mean by it doesn't have to pay for anything right I mean if I back call it anything right I mean if I back call it anything right I mean if I back call it on a router he's paying for the Wi-Fi on a router he's paying for the Wi-Fi on a router he's paying for the Wi-Fi router you know he's paying for the

router you know he's paying for the router you know he's paying for the cable or whatever yeah yeah well yeah cable or whatever yeah yeah well yeah cable or whatever yeah yeah well yeah you you you're not paying maybe you're you you you're not paying maybe you're you you you're not paying maybe you're not paying anything for the service but not paying anything for the service but not paying anything for the service but you know it still boils down to you know it still boils down to you know it still boils down to infrastructure and capitalization and infrastructure and capitalization and infrastructure and capitalization and you know being able to monetize I can you know being able to monetize I can you know being able to monetize I can assure you that my my echo dot is a hell assure you that my my echo dot is a hell assure you that my my echo dot is a hell of a loss a lot less expensive than of a loss a lot less expensive than of a loss a lot less expensive than putting up a Laura Wayne Gateway in the putting up a Laura Wayne Gateway in the putting up a Laura Wayne Gateway in the middle of the field middle of the field middle of the field sure that's true yeah sure yeah sure sure that's true yeah sure yeah sure sure that's true yeah sure yeah sure yeah um you know it's it's um you know it's it's spaghetti mess oh yeah spaghetti mess oh yeah spaghetti mess oh yeah all right is there an opportunity though all right is there an opportunity though all right is there an opportunity though that's I forget the spaghetti mess is that's I forget the spaghetti mess is that's I forget the spaghetti mess is there an opportunity for people in the there an opportunity for people in the there an opportunity for people in the iot space to make a commitment to doing iot space to make a commitment to doing iot space to make a commitment to doing something with sidewalk something with sidewalk something with sidewalk that trackers kid trackers I don't know that trackers kid trackers I don't know that trackers kid trackers I don't know man because you know we um man because you know we um man because you know we um here we go back to the lowest common here we go back to the lowest common here we go back to the lowest common denominator of you know what the denominator of you know what the denominator of you know what the experience of the connectivity in you experience of the connectivity in you experience of the connectivity in you know in area n that I should you know know in area n that I should you know know in area n that I should you know expect and and if it's free-ish we can expect and and if it's free-ish we can expect and and if it's free-ish we can you know we know what the answer is you know we know what the answer is you know we know what the answer is going to get so I I I don't think so going to get so I I I don't think so going to get so I I I don't think so um and Steve you know to your point of um and Steve you know to your point of um and Steve you know to your point of you know here's the screen network what you know here's the screen network what you know here's the screen network what can I do with it there has to be can I do with it there has to be can I do with it there has to be some sort of uh onboarding of a device some sort of uh onboarding of a device some sort of uh onboarding of a device onto that Network I mean that that has onto that Network I mean that that has onto that Network I mean that that has to happen to happen to happen you know at some point and at my own you know at some point and at my own you know at some point and at my own border today and it is free you know border today and it is free you know border today and it is free you know it's this free resource you know it's

it's this free resource you know it's it's this free resource you know it's only going to take one bad quarter in only going to take one bad quarter in only going to take one bad quarter in that yeah that yeah that yeah hey pal hey pal hey pal that was a trial and now it's uh you that was a trial and now it's uh you that was a trial and now it's uh you know it's 20 bucks per thing if you want know it's 20 bucks per thing if you want know it's 20 bucks per thing if you want this yeah yeah this yeah yeah this yeah yeah that's a great Point David because I I that's a great Point David because I I that's a great Point David because I I agree one of the parts of the agree one of the parts of the agree one of the parts of the conversation yesterday were around okay conversation yesterday were around okay conversation yesterday were around okay if it's a Laura Wan scenario you'll have if it's a Laura Wan scenario you'll have if it's a Laura Wan scenario you'll have an LNS server and you kind of log it an LNS server and you kind of log it an LNS server and you kind of log it into the server in order to get into the server in order to get into the server in order to get provisions provisions provisions if you run in sidewalk and I sell a box if you run in sidewalk and I sell a box if you run in sidewalk and I sell a box of sensors to a home that is going to be of sensors to a home that is going to be of sensors to a home that is going to be sidewalk compatible yeah yeah well you know let's back up for a minute well you know let's back up for a minute well you know let's back up for a minute I mean what the hell do we mean by free I mean what the hell do we mean by free I mean what the hell do we mean by free there is free it's free based on what there is free it's free based on what there is free it's free based on what you're somebody you're somebody you're somebody it depends on what the definition of it it depends on what the definition of it it depends on what the definition of it is is is is is is what is is yeah I mean you have to what is is yeah I mean you have to what is is yeah I mean you have to that's an old one yeah but I mean that's an old one yeah but I mean that's an old one yeah but I mean seriously seriously seriously um it's an externality for someone else um it's an externality for someone else um it's an externality for someone else especially if there's no transparency especially if there's no transparency especially if there's no transparency and going back to what we were and going back to what we were and going back to what we were but what we started off with here is is but what we started off with here is is but what we started off with here is is there transparency there transparency there transparency um for the people who own the assets and um for the people who own the assets and um for the people who own the assets and um and you know it's open question maybe um and you know it's open question maybe um and you know it's open question maybe you know the AWS will say yes it is we you know the AWS will say yes it is we you know the AWS will say yes it is we have let everyone know have let everyone know have let everyone know um what what sidewalk is all about

um what what sidewalk is all about um what what sidewalk is all about maybe people are cool with it but is it maybe people are cool with it but is it maybe people are cool with it but is it is it really free or again people who is it really free or again people who is it really free or again people who are using the service who assume that are using the service who assume that are using the service who assume that it's free it's free it's free uh maybe like six months down the line uh maybe like six months down the line uh maybe like six months down the line there's a huge lawsuit and the next there's a huge lawsuit and the next there's a huge lawsuit and the next thing you know well that's you know that's been the well that's you know that's been the qualm with them for a while has been the qualm with them for a while has been the qualm with them for a while has been the privacy I don't know why people put these kind I don't know why people put these kind of things out because privacy is of things out because privacy is of things out because privacy is eventually going to matter like trust is eventually going to matter like trust is eventually going to matter like trust is gonna matter gonna matter gonna matter right now we don't but we don't value right now we don't but we don't value right now we don't but we don't value Trust Trust Trust but as we become victims of you know but as we become victims of you know but as we become victims of you know these trustless and these trustless and these trustless and you know nefarious things and just crap you know nefarious things and just crap you know nefarious things and just crap fake everything fake everything fake everything the only thing we can fall back on and the only thing we can fall back on and the only thing we can fall back on and we're gonna we're gonna look for is we're gonna we're gonna look for is we're gonna we're gonna look for is because what are these stuff because because what are these stuff because because what are these stuff because that I mean everything else is going to that I mean everything else is going to that I mean everything else is going to be detached from reality right be detached from reality right be detached from reality right and eventually it's going to be negative and eventually it's going to be negative and eventually it's going to be negative value and detrimental right I mean value and detrimental right I mean value and detrimental right I mean working fake information how how well working fake information how how well working fake information how how well can you operate your business off of can you operate your business off of can you operate your business off of fake information fake information fake information but you know I kind of knew that it's but you know I kind of knew that it's but you know I kind of knew that it's [ __ ] from yeah but I mean I knew at [ __ ] from yeah but I mean I knew at [ __ ] from yeah but I mean I knew at some particular Point AWS was going to some particular Point AWS was going to some particular Point AWS was going to open it up you know to the world right I open it up you know to the world right I open it up you know to the world right I mean you know you knew that was coming mean you know you knew that was coming mean you know you knew that was coming so if you look at going okay you opened so if you look at going okay you opened so if you look at going okay you opened it up it up it up you had to are you hedging your bet you had to are you hedging your bet you had to are you hedging your bet against opt outs and

against opt outs and against opt outs and privacy and security I mean what it I privacy and security I mean what it I privacy and security I mean what it I mean are you just because you're the you mean are you just because you're the you mean are you just because you're the you know the gazillion dollar company you know the gazillion dollar company you know the gazillion dollar company you don't give a [ __ ] I don't know don't give a [ __ ] I don't know don't give a [ __ ] I don't know um Mark what do you think Mark's like um Mark what do you think Mark's like um Mark what do you think Mark's like you know talking about now I didn't you know talking about now I didn't you know talking about now I didn't understand I didn't understand the understand I didn't understand the understand I didn't understand the problem with security problem with security problem with security what do you mean security I said privacy what do you mean security I said privacy what do you mean security I said privacy was there transparency does everyone who was there transparency does everyone who was there transparency does everyone who is actually hosting the network with is actually hosting the network with is actually hosting the network with their device in their home do they know their device in their home do they know their device in their home do they know that they're participating in this was that they're participating in this was that they're participating in this was it an opt out or opt-in and then it an opt out or opt-in and then it an opt out or opt-in and then you know you know you know is there truly consent for and support is there truly consent for and support is there truly consent for and support for this network because if there isn't for this network because if there isn't for this network because if there isn't that's actually a big risk that's actually a big risk that's actually a big risk because what's the because what's the because what's the yeah is that fine was there a check box yeah is that fine was there a check box yeah is that fine was there a check box they checked when they bought those they checked when they bought those they checked when they bought those products yeah yeah yeah okay hello like we know about right okay hello like we know about right okay hello like we know about right you're right yeah that's a lot of people you're right yeah that's a lot of people you're right yeah that's a lot of people do that and because of what we're trying do that and because of what we're trying do that and because of what we're trying to do so many sensors online we're like to do so many sensors online we're like to do so many sensors online we're like going okay well if I sell you a box of going okay well if I sell you a box of going okay well if I sell you a box of sidewalk compatible sensors sidewalk compatible sensors sidewalk compatible sensors does do I have a responsibility with the does do I have a responsibility with the does do I have a responsibility with the t's and C's t's and C's t's and C's to be associated with it being on to be associated with it being on to be associated with it being on Leonard's you know sidewalk Network at Leonard's you know sidewalk Network at Leonard's you know sidewalk Network at his house his house his house yeah yeah

yeah yeah yeah yeah um I mean you know and that's a big um I mean you know and that's a big um I mean you know and that's a big problem with privacy as well is problem with privacy as well is problem with privacy as well is um you know if you're if you're banking um you know if you're if you're banking um you know if you're if you're banking on opt out and let's call it just on opt out and let's call it just on opt out and let's call it just general general general um ignorance or um ignorance or um ignorance or uh lack of awareness because a lot most uh lack of awareness because a lot most uh lack of awareness because a lot most consumers like we said are just not consumers like we said are just not consumers like we said are just not going to understand this stuff going to understand this stuff going to understand this stuff but so one person one a few people to but so one person one a few people to but so one person one a few people to sit there and then shed a light on sit there and then shed a light on sit there and then shed a light on what's going on in simple terms and all what's going on in simple terms and all what's going on in simple terms and all of a sudden the network is at risk you of a sudden the network is at risk you of a sudden the network is at risk you know what I'm saying and so the people know what I'm saying and so the people know what I'm saying and so the people who are developers who are relying on who are developers who are relying on who are developers who are relying on this thing because all you have to do is this thing because all you have to do is this thing because all you have to do is say opt I'm gonna opt out say opt I'm gonna opt out say opt I'm gonna opt out and then all of a sudden nodes shut down and then all of a sudden nodes shut down and then all of a sudden nodes shut down what if they find out the nodes are what if they find out the nodes are what if they find out the nodes are still working after they opted out and still working after they opted out and still working after they opted out and they're still passing data wouldn't that they're still passing data wouldn't that they're still passing data wouldn't that be a scandal oh there's going to be a be a scandal oh there's going to be a be a scandal oh there's going to be a lawyer out there that's going to figure lawyer out there that's going to figure lawyer out there that's going to figure out how to make money off of that I mean out how to make money off of that I mean out how to make money off of that I mean come on so so I have I have to leave in come on so so I have I have to leave in come on so so I have I have to leave in about one minute so I'm going to give about one minute so I'm going to give about one minute so I'm going to give you a quick briefing but I'm at a you a quick briefing but I'm at a you a quick briefing but I'm at a conference in Houston it's called the conference in Houston it's called the conference in Houston it's called the carbon tracking and Reporting conference carbon tracking and Reporting conference carbon tracking and Reporting conference you probably never imagined that they'd you probably never imagined that they'd you probably never imagined that they'd have a conference like that it's have a conference like that it's have a conference like that it's attended by all Oil Company people attended by all Oil Company people attended by all Oil Company people mostly who are working in their mostly who are working in their mostly who are working in their emissions you have to report admission emissions you have to report admission emissions you have to report admission CPA and all that kind of stuff right and CPA and all that kind of stuff right and CPA and all that kind of stuff right and so it's mostly around greenhouse gases so it's mostly around greenhouse gases so it's mostly around greenhouse gases so methane and CO2 and all that kind of so methane and CO2 and all that kind of so methane and CO2 and all that kind of stuff and why am I here because I it's stuff and why am I here because I it's stuff and why am I here because I it's an iot use case measuring that's what an iot use case measuring that's what an iot use case measuring that's what iot is right so you know I'm gonna give

iot is right so you know I'm gonna give iot is right so you know I'm gonna give a presentation here soon and I'm going a presentation here soon and I'm going a presentation here soon and I'm going to walk through all the use cases and to walk through all the use cases and to walk through all the use cases and it's all iot sensors what's the sensor it's all iot sensors what's the sensor it's all iot sensors what's the sensor I'm measuring parts per million of CO2 I'm measuring parts per million of CO2 I'm measuring parts per million of CO2 right and methane and all that kind of right and methane and all that kind of right and methane and all that kind of stuff because guess what all these stuff because guess what all these stuff because guess what all these companies have to do reporting on this companies have to do reporting on this companies have to do reporting on this stuff stuff stuff um anyway I know this is a really um anyway I know this is a really um anyway I know this is a really obscure thing obscure thing obscure thing but it's actually a legit real iot use but it's actually a legit real iot use but it's actually a legit real iot use case uh I'll give you an example I won't case uh I'll give you an example I won't case uh I'll give you an example I won't tell you what Energy company but just to tell you what Energy company but just to tell you what Energy company but just to let you know how real this is let you know how real this is let you know how real this is because the reporting requirements these because the reporting requirements these because the reporting requirements these guys have to once a quarter go visit guys have to once a quarter go visit guys have to once a quarter go visit every pad drilling site and and take every pad drilling site and and take every pad drilling site and and take readings right with people on site readings right with people on site readings right with people on site taking readings of methane CO2 and other taking readings of methane CO2 and other taking readings of methane CO2 and other stuff and uh and then they do reporting stuff and uh and then they do reporting stuff and uh and then they do reporting to the EPA four times a year well they to the EPA four times a year well they to the EPA four times a year well they have 400 pad sites guess how much it's have 400 pad sites guess how much it's have 400 pad sites guess how much it's costing their company a year 35 million costing their company a year 35 million costing their company a year 35 million dollars just to go do that but there's dollars just to go do that but there's dollars just to go do that but there's no Revenue involved it's just like a no Revenue involved it's just like a no Revenue involved it's just like a giant burden and tax on the on them by giant burden and tax on the on them by giant burden and tax on the on them by having to physically visit all these having to physically visit all these having to physically visit all these sites and do this if this doesn't scream sites and do this if this doesn't scream sites and do this if this doesn't scream out as a legit use case for iot sensors out as a legit use case for iot sensors out as a legit use case for iot sensors Wireless how about continuous monitoring Wireless how about continuous monitoring Wireless how about continuous monitoring call me crazy yeah what's the call me crazy yeah what's the call me crazy yeah what's the application is the application done to application is the application done to application is the application done to be able to measure it in send it in be able to measure it in send it in be able to measure it in send it in yeah the application's just reporting I yeah the application's just reporting I yeah the application's just reporting I mean right yeah you're just you're just mean right yeah you're just you're just mean right yeah you're just you're just gonna there's like uh you know the gonna there's like uh you know the gonna there's like uh you know the global warming potential is a deal they global warming potential is a deal they global warming potential is a deal they talk about Mega uh megatons of CO2 that

talk about Mega uh megatons of CO2 that talk about Mega uh megatons of CO2 that kind of thing you'll your initial kind of thing you'll your initial kind of thing you'll your initial measurement will be parts per million uh measurement will be parts per million uh measurement will be parts per million uh for your sensor and then you'll do a for your sensor and then you'll do a for your sensor and then you'll do a conversion pre-reporting to report but conversion pre-reporting to report but conversion pre-reporting to report but anyway this just seems like so obvious anyway this just seems like so obvious anyway this just seems like so obvious and guess what every Oil Company on the and guess what every Oil Company on the and guess what every Oil Company on the planet has to do this stuff chemical planet has to do this stuff chemical planet has to do this stuff chemical companies everything and you tell your companies everything and you tell your companies everything and you tell your client that I will personally visit the client that I will personally visit the client that I will personally visit the Frac pads and I'll do it for 10 million see you later yeah hey Steve I don't see you later yeah hey Steve I don't want to ever hear you say that you hate want to ever hear you say that you hate want to ever hear you say that you hate regulation my God regulation created a gold mine no my God regulation created a gold mine no kidding yeah but I I don't know that kidding yeah but I I don't know that kidding yeah but I I don't know that David I think you're on for something I David I think you're on for something I David I think you're on for something I mean why can't we just go in there and mean why can't we just go in there and mean why can't we just go in there and just film for 10 million we'll save you just film for 10 million we'll save you just film for 10 million we'll save you 25 million and we'll figure out how to 25 million and we'll figure out how to 25 million and we'll figure out how to do it remotely do it remotely do it remotely but you know I mean I I I'll say this but you know I mean I I I'll say this but you know I mean I I I'll say this and maybe you know Rob can comment on it and maybe you know Rob can comment on it and maybe you know Rob can comment on it next week next week next week um like so I don't know if Rob just um like so I don't know if Rob just um like so I don't know if Rob just pulled that number out of his hat or pulled that number out of his hat or pulled that number out of his hat or somebody actually said it well no but somebody actually said it well no but somebody actually said it well no but hear me out let's just be friends for a hear me out let's just be friends for a hear me out let's just be friends for a second that this particular company second that this particular company second that this particular company really cost them 35 male per year who really cost them 35 male per year who really cost them 35 male per year who this this this 400 sites once a quarter because with a 400 sites once a quarter because with a 400 sites once a quarter because with a clipboard with a clipboard right because clipboard with a clipboard right because clipboard with a clipboard right because you now what we don't know is how

you now what we don't know is how you now what we don't know is how regulated is the the space which means regulated is the the space which means regulated is the the space which means people might need like a certification people might need like a certification people might need like a certification like it's not going to be just like me like it's not going to be just like me like it's not going to be just like me and Mark walking in there with with with and Mark walking in there with with with and Mark walking in there with with with cheap boots that we that we bought it cheap boots that we that we bought it cheap boots that we that we bought it right let's just you know you need right let's just you know you need right let's just you know you need specialized people specialized people specialized people you need you know some sort of you need you know some sort of you need you know some sort of specialized equipment specialized equipment specialized equipment it's just like 35 mil a year that's a it's just like 35 mil a year that's a it's just like 35 mil a year that's a lot of money those are the things that lot of money those are the things that lot of money those are the things that make me roll you know like look up like make me roll you know like look up like make me roll you know like look up like hold on if you have 35 mil a year like I hold on if you have 35 mil a year like I hold on if you have 35 mil a year like I mean like hire someone out like like I mean like hire someone out like like I mean like hire someone out like like I know you can you know do this with tech know you can you know do this with tech know you can you know do this with tech and and sometimes what it comes down to and and sometimes what it comes down to and and sometimes what it comes down to is is is um maybe it's actually not that much um maybe it's actually not that much um maybe it's actually not that much or there's some sort of like tax credit or there's some sort of like tax credit or there's some sort of like tax credit on the back end so the 35 is really five on the back end so the 35 is really five on the back end so the 35 is really five and five is not that much and I want to and five is not that much and I want to and five is not that much and I want to keep some guys from payroll here uh it's keep some guys from payroll here uh it's keep some guys from payroll here uh it's always it's always you know fun to get always it's always you know fun to get always it's always you know fun to get down to like what is this really costing down to like what is this really costing down to like what is this really costing your business yeah your business yeah your business yeah how much how much you know you would pay how much how much you know you would pay how much how much you know you would pay for you know an iot journey to deliver for you know an iot journey to deliver for you know an iot journey to deliver this uh but if it's 35 million I hope this uh but if it's 35 million I hope this uh but if it's 35 million I hope these people just give Rob a you know these people just give Rob a you know these people just give Rob a you know small team on a blank check and I know small team on a blank check and I know small team on a blank check and I know he could do it for half you know what he could do it for half you know what he could do it for half you know what yeah I mean it it smells like a lot of yeah I mean it it smells like a lot of yeah I mean it it smells like a lot of dirty laundry up in there you know what dirty laundry up in there you know what dirty laundry up in there you know what I'm saying and can you imagine if I was I'm saying and can you imagine if I was I'm saying and can you imagine if I was the CIO of this company

the CIO of this company the CIO of this company not having anybody on my staff knowing not having anybody on my staff knowing not having anybody on my staff knowing about the capabilities of using it an about the capabilities of using it an about the capabilities of using it an iot solution to this I'd be firing iot solution to this I'd be firing iot solution to this I'd be firing people I mean come on I mean insane I people I mean come on I mean insane I people I mean come on I mean insane I mean it's not like this is rocket mean it's not like this is rocket mean it's not like this is rocket science I mean it's a freaking sensor science I mean it's a freaking sensor science I mean it's a freaking sensor you know with a module a satellite you know with a module a satellite you know with a module a satellite module on it doing it times a year I module on it doing it times a year I module on it doing it times a year I mean you know what rocket science Steve mean you know what rocket science Steve mean you know what rocket science Steve put in the sensors out of trains yeah yeah um and seem to be doing that so what hey um Mark what do you think so what hey um Mark what do you think about sidewalk man I mean do you have an about sidewalk man I mean do you have an about sidewalk man I mean do you have an impression impression impression yeah let me give uh one last comment yeah let me give uh one last comment yeah let me give uh one last comment about this so today I was giving a about this so today I was giving a about this so today I was giving a classroom to uh like a an electrical classroom to uh like a an electrical classroom to uh like a an electrical company here in Spain about iot and company here in Spain about iot and company here in Spain about iot and business and and I always start the same business and and I always start the same business and and I always start the same like what is iot for you then I get a like what is iot for you then I get a like what is iot for you then I get a whiteboard and I start writing what they whiteboard and I start writing what they whiteboard and I start writing what they say it's about money and then they were like it's about money and then they were like oh this guy oh he's he's right right oh this guy oh he's he's right right oh this guy oh he's he's right right it's not like about smart devices or it's not like about smart devices or it's not like about smart devices or sending data or or selling the data it's sending data or or selling the data it's sending data or or selling the data it's about money it's about no saving money about money it's about no saving money about money it's about no saving money or making money that's it it's a or making money that's it it's a or making money that's it it's a business business business so yeah so yeah so yeah yeah it's it's sad that come big yeah it's it's sad that come big yeah it's it's sad that come big companies still don't think that then

companies still don't think that then companies still don't think that then they can save a lot of money just with they can save a lot of money just with they can save a lot of money just with some electronic um partnering with the some electronic um partnering with the some electronic um partnering with the right Partners yeah well right Partners yeah well right Partners yeah well um yeah um yeah um yeah to reduce the cost as well yeah to reduce the cost as well yeah to reduce the cost as well yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean you know Steve going back to yeah I mean you know Steve going back to yeah I mean you know Steve going back to your your questions like well your your questions like well your your questions like well um um um I think you asked a question I don't I think you asked a question I don't I think you asked a question I don't know maybe not here I'll just say know maybe not here I'll just say know maybe not here I'll just say whatever the hell I was gonna say whatever the hell I was gonna say whatever the hell I was gonna say um it's an option right yeah I think um it's an option right yeah I think um it's an option right yeah I think what people have to do is they have to what people have to do is they have to what people have to do is they have to apply the good old iot rule which is is apply the good old iot rule which is is apply the good old iot rule which is is this thing going to be around is it this thing going to be around is it this thing going to be around is it reliable reliable reliable and will it uh you know will it at some and will it uh you know will it at some and will it uh you know will it at some point require me to rip everything out point require me to rip everything out point require me to rip everything out because because because um um um the the service won't be around much the the service won't be around much the the service won't be around much longer and and so you know the the yeah longer and and so you know the the yeah longer and and so you know the the yeah no I don't you don't have a crystal ball well I'm saying this generally about well I'm saying this generally about anything no because here's the thing anything no because here's the thing anything no because here's the thing technologists here's here's something technologists here's here's something technologists here's here's something that I've noticed because I research a that I've noticed because I research a that I've noticed because I research a lot of different things I noticed lot of different things I noticed lot of different things I noticed something something something there is heavy compartmentalization in there is heavy compartmentalization in there is heavy compartmentalization in Industry so you have technical people Industry so you have technical people Industry so you have technical people who only look at certain things in a who only look at certain things in a who only look at certain things in a very narrow way and very narrow way and very narrow way and um they're uh you know you have business um they're uh you know you have business um they're uh you know you have business folks who think that they know the folks who think that they know the folks who think that they know the technology and then you have

technology and then you have technology and then you have um you know Business Leaders who think um you know Business Leaders who think um you know Business Leaders who think they know the technology and the trends they know the technology and the trends they know the technology and the trends right but the thing is is there things right but the thing is is there things right but the thing is is there things are so disconnected and people uh you are so disconnected and people uh you are so disconnected and people uh you know like even in especially in the AI know like even in especially in the AI know like even in especially in the AI area the researchers are very focused on area the researchers are very focused on area the researchers are very focused on a specific problem a specific problem a specific problem and they may generally know some of the and they may generally know some of the and they may generally know some of the broader issues and possibilities but broader issues and possibilities but broader issues and possibilities but by and large they don't see the force by and large they don't see the force by and large they don't see the force from the trees this is something I've from the trees this is something I've from the trees this is something I've noticed okay noticed okay noticed okay um I can provide a lot of proof around um I can provide a lot of proof around um I can provide a lot of proof around it the same goes for any any technology it the same goes for any any technology it the same goes for any any technology um and uh you know the thing is is this um and uh you know the thing is is this um and uh you know the thing is is this is that you may think that this is that you may think that this is that you may think that this um uh you know the sidewalk you might um uh you know the sidewalk you might um uh you know the sidewalk you might evaluate it simply based on evaluate it simply based on evaluate it simply based on um you know either the technology and um you know either the technology and um you know either the technology and how cool it is and with a singular lens how cool it is and with a singular lens how cool it is and with a singular lens versus more of a multi-faceted one like versus more of a multi-faceted one like versus more of a multi-faceted one like looking at it in terms of business model looking at it in terms of business model looking at it in terms of business model in terms of let's say uh you know from a in terms of let's say uh you know from a in terms of let's say uh you know from a regulatory standpoint what kind of risks regulatory standpoint what kind of risks regulatory standpoint what kind of risks does it uh you know present to Consumers does it uh you know present to Consumers does it uh you know present to Consumers and and you know consumers in particular and and you know consumers in particular and and you know consumers in particular in in the case of sidewalk I mean there in in the case of sidewalk I mean there in in the case of sidewalk I mean there are some serious questions do you know are some serious questions do you know are some serious questions do you know what I'm saying it's just like what I'm saying it's just like what I'm saying it's just like implementation right serious questions implementation right serious questions implementation right serious questions about about about um uh what is it um uh helium I mean I'm

um uh what is it um uh helium I mean I'm um uh what is it um uh helium I mean I'm sorry man I was freaking right about sorry man I was freaking right about sorry man I was freaking right about helium helium helium look at look at their hot spot numbers look at look at their hot spot numbers look at look at their hot spot numbers they're stuck they haven't grown they're stuck they haven't grown they're stuck they haven't grown like I don't know that I've been looking like I don't know that I've been looking like I don't know that I've been looking at this stuff but you know um helium hot at this stuff but you know um helium hot at this stuff but you know um helium hot spots they're stuck at like what they spots they're stuck at like what they spots they're stuck at like what they haven't even breached a million and you haven't even breached a million and you haven't even breached a million and you know there's tons of people that are know there's tons of people that are know there's tons of people that are complaining about and then what about complaining about and then what about complaining about and then what about what happens when it all shuts down what happens when it all shuts down what happens when it all shuts down what happens when it all shuts down so what happens when it all shuts down so what happens when it all shuts down so there are some fundamental questions there are some fundamental questions there are some fundamental questions that need to be asked that to give you a that need to be asked that to give you a that need to be asked that to give you a sense something has a longevity sense something has a longevity sense something has a longevity helium is a crowdsourced uh Network yeah helium is a crowdsourced uh Network yeah helium is a crowdsourced uh Network yeah Network okay cheers so what does that Network okay cheers so what does that Network okay cheers so what does that mean so if people stop it it's okay I mean so if people stop it it's okay I mean so if people stop it it's okay I mean it's a road Source Network and this mean it's a road Source Network and this mean it's a road Source Network and this is the crowdsourcing is the crowdsourcing is the crowdsourcing um philosophy that's not a problem so um philosophy that's not a problem so um philosophy that's not a problem so philosophy doesn't make generate Revenue philosophy doesn't make generate Revenue philosophy doesn't make generate Revenue it doesn't make a network viable that's it doesn't make a network viable that's it doesn't make a network viable that's that's the problem you can be that's the problem you can be that's the problem you can be philosophical about stuff but you have philosophical about stuff but you have philosophical about stuff but you have to let's get back to let's get back to let's get back what lorawan network is viable today what lorawan network is viable today what lorawan network is viable today Global Network is viable today which is viable Network is viable today which is viable yeah I mean yeah actually viable maybe yeah I mean yeah actually viable maybe yeah I mean yeah actually viable maybe millions of devices connected I don't millions of devices connected I don't millions of devices connected I don't know but Mark I talked to I talked to

know but Mark I talked to I talked to know but Mark I talked to I talked to Johann and venki yesterday I mean is Johann and venki yesterday I mean is Johann and venki yesterday I mean is that not a viable Network for the that not a viable Network for the that not a viable Network for the private networks that they're putting up private networks that they're putting up private networks that they're putting up no this is why they they made the things no this is why they they made the things no this is why they they made the things in the streets so what they sell there in the streets so what they sell there in the streets so what they sell there is a is a is a it's not uh um it's a machine cue type it's not uh um it's a machine cue type it's not uh um it's a machine cue type of product you build it for another they of product you build it for another they of product you build it for another they create the things industries to create create the things industries to create create the things industries to create private lot of one networks right for private lot of one networks right for private lot of one networks right for Industries Etc but that's kind of like a Industries Etc but that's kind of like a Industries Etc but that's kind of like a global global global um it's not but that's viable yeah it is um it's not but that's viable yeah it is um it's not but that's viable yeah it is not viable to create private Network not viable to create private Network not viable to create private Network this is why I think 5G private networks this is why I think 5G private networks this is why I think 5G private networks is a really interesting topic I agree is a really interesting topic I agree is a really interesting topic I agree what I say is is there any what I say is is there any what I say is is there any Global uh lp1 Network that succeed no Global uh lp1 Network that succeed no Global uh lp1 Network that succeed no they are trying and yeah they tried a business model with they tried a business model with crowdsourcing within incentives using crowdsourcing within incentives using crowdsourcing within incentives using tokens instead of dollars it's yeah they tokens instead of dollars it's yeah they tokens instead of dollars it's yeah they tried why you have to tell [ __ ] about tried why you have to tell [ __ ] about tried why you have to tell [ __ ] about the company who tries to set up a the company who tries to set up a the company who tries to set up a technology that can enable other technology that can enable other technology that can enable other developers so are you thinking that developers so are you thinking that developers so are you thinking that every net and Senate are not viable every net and Senate are not viable every net and Senate are not viable I can say that I say that they tried I can say that I say that they tried I can say that I say that they tried it's uh they tried to bring Network on on crowdsourcing

on on crowdsourcing if it's work if it's gonna work or not I if it's work if it's gonna work or not I if it's work if it's gonna work or not I don't know uh let's see if uh don't know uh let's see if uh don't know uh let's see if uh well you know there was a lot of hype well you know there was a lot of hype well you know there was a lot of hype about the price of the token and this is about the price of the token and this is about the price of the token and this is why there was a night right but there why there was a night right but there why there was a night right but there was nothing new there has been a lot of was nothing new there has been a lot of was nothing new there has been a lot of initiative doing exactly the same the initiative doing exactly the same the initiative doing exactly the same the only difference is these guys just only difference is these guys just only difference is these guys just because there's a token concept because there's a token concept because there's a token concept uh but uh yeah I don't it's safe Foxy uh but uh yeah I don't it's safe Foxy uh but uh yeah I don't it's safe Foxy the same uh the things network with the the same uh the things network with the the same uh the things network with the things Network code Source uh Global things Network code Source uh Global things Network code Source uh Global Network they did the same right uh and Network they did the same right uh and Network they did the same right uh and and orange the same and so on and so on and orange the same and so on and so on and orange the same and so on and so on so I don't know so I don't know so I don't know but it's super cool to see how different but it's super cool to see how different but it's super cool to see how different your perspectives are to this your perspectives are to this your perspectives are to this crowdsource right like I just want to crowdsource right like I just want to crowdsource right like I just want to call that I like it it looks like you call that I like it it looks like you call that I like it it looks like you guys are are arguing boy you're not it's guys are are arguing boy you're not it's guys are are arguing boy you're not it's just you're you're coming from your own just you're you're coming from your own just you're you're coming from your own perspective Mark makes things the guys perspective Mark makes things the guys perspective Mark makes things the guys that tinkerer so crowdsource open source that tinkerer so crowdsource open source that tinkerer so crowdsource open source has a very different meaning to Leonard has a very different meaning to Leonard has a very different meaning to Leonard who you know studies and writes about who you know studies and writes about who you know studies and writes about this stuff because Steve who's you know this stuff because Steve who's you know this stuff because Steve who's you know super real and is trying to look for the super real and is trying to look for the super real and is trying to look for the for the best thing but I for for Dinero for the best thing but I for for Dinero for the best thing but I for for Dinero but it's it's funny you know listen to but it's it's funny you know listen to but it's it's funny you know listen to you guys because you know open source you guys because you know open source you guys because you know open source you know two mark means like hey it's you know two mark means like hey it's you know two mark means like hey it's out there out there out there I can use it if it works and I could do I can use it if it works and I could do I can use it if it works and I could do something with it it's great if it goes something with it it's great if it goes something with it it's great if it goes away tomorrow it's okay because it's away tomorrow it's okay because it's away tomorrow it's okay because it's open source it wasn't some proprietary

open source it wasn't some proprietary open source it wasn't some proprietary thing that I signed a lengthy contract thing that I signed a lengthy contract thing that I signed a lengthy contract people made me promises that's that people made me promises that's that people made me promises that's that that's what it is anyway I just I just that's what it is anyway I just I just that's what it is anyway I just I just wanted to call that out because you you wanted to call that out because you you wanted to call that out because you you guys are you know just peppering with guys are you know just peppering with guys are you know just peppering with your perspective your perspective your perspective fascinating but here open is not magic fascinating but here open is not magic fascinating but here open is not magic and what it isn't it's also oftentimes and what it isn't it's also oftentimes and what it isn't it's also oftentimes not the answer and so that's a delusion not the answer and so that's a delusion not the answer and so that's a delusion and number one if you think that open and number one if you think that open and number one if you think that open source Technologies in and of themselves source Technologies in and of themselves source Technologies in and of themselves are Enterprise class or even consumer are Enterprise class or even consumer are Enterprise class or even consumer class you're high on crack class you're high on crack class you're high on crack um there has to be a business that makes um there has to be a business that makes um there has to be a business that makes it that way it that way it that way um and but you know here's the thing um and but you know here's the thing um and but you know here's the thing about uh you know Steve that you brought about uh you know Steve that you brought about uh you know Steve that you brought up viability is all that matters who up viability is all that matters who up viability is all that matters who gives a flying [ __ ] whether or not there gives a flying [ __ ] whether or not there gives a flying [ __ ] whether or not there is a Global lorawan Network the problem is a Global lorawan Network the problem is a Global lorawan Network the problem is that you have people who think that is that you have people who think that is that you have people who think that that somebody gives a crap about that that somebody gives a crap about that that somebody gives a crap about that stuff the thing is is that by and large stuff the thing is is that by and large stuff the thing is is that by and large what what is evident this is the what what is evident this is the what what is evident this is the evidence evidence evidence nobody gives a [ __ ] people did if people did helium would people did if people did helium would have gain they don't because they are have gain they don't because they are have gain they don't because they are not acceptable they ate a problem that not acceptable they ate a problem that not acceptable they ate a problem that people really give a fly well giving a people really give a fly well giving a people really give a fly well giving a flying crap for but here's the thing flying crap for but here's the thing flying crap for but here's the thing nobody will pay for crap nobody will pay for crap nobody will pay for crap but they'll pay for liability and so hey but they'll pay for liability and so hey but they'll pay for liability and so hey hats off to Winking in the uh uh uh you hats off to Winking in the uh uh uh you hats off to Winking in the uh uh uh you know the things industry for you know

know the things industry for you know know the things industry for you know trying to find what actually makes sense trying to find what actually makes sense trying to find what actually makes sense and I mean the dude you know we know and I mean the dude you know we know and I mean the dude you know we know what he's been going through what he's been going through what he's been going through and the challenges that they've faced and the challenges that they've faced and the challenges that they've faced and if you can find that sweet spot of and if you can find that sweet spot of and if you can find that sweet spot of viability that's a hell of a lot better viability that's a hell of a lot better viability that's a hell of a lot better than you know somebody that's going off than you know somebody that's going off than you know somebody that's going off trying to chase some friggin you know trying to chase some friggin you know trying to chase some friggin you know like metaverse like aspiration nonsense like metaverse like aspiration nonsense like metaverse like aspiration nonsense you know what I'm saying and that's why you know what I'm saying and that's why you know what I'm saying and that's why this hype stuff is so dangerous it this hype stuff is so dangerous it this hype stuff is so dangerous it distracts people and we have to distracts people and we have to distracts people and we have to celebrate entrepreneurs who who gathered celebrate entrepreneurs who who gathered celebrate entrepreneurs who who gathered enough you know uh experience to have enough you know uh experience to have enough you know uh experience to have kind of figured it out you know and kind of figured it out you know and kind of figured it out you know and doing that before they go under her so doing that before they go under her so doing that before they go under her so congratulations okay but I have a couple congratulations okay but I have a couple congratulations okay but I have a couple of comments here and I want to answer as of comments here and I want to answer as of comments here and I want to answer as well your sidewalk questions well your sidewalk questions well your sidewalk questions um so there are iot projects that are um so there are iot projects that are um so there are iot projects that are Global and they need Global connectivity Global and they need Global connectivity Global and they need Global connectivity with low power with low power with low power yes do you agree on this no yes do you agree on this no yes do you agree on this no um I will admit that there are what what um I will admit that there are what what um I will admit that there are what what is being proven is that they're not is being proven is that they're not is being proven is that they're not important enough for people to really important enough for people to really important enough for people to really want to support a Global Network I mean want to support a Global Network I mean want to support a Global Network I mean they're again let's figure out what the hell it is and let's figure out what the hell it is and why anyone would pay for it helium tried basically so try to helium tried basically so try to incentivize people to maintain the the

incentivize people to maintain the the incentivize people to maintain the the connectivity or the coverage there connectivity or the coverage there connectivity or the coverage there I don't know I think it's an interesting I don't know I think it's an interesting I don't know I think it's an interesting approach uh they probably have their approach uh they probably have their approach uh they probably have their lessons left right but uh it's it's an lessons left right but uh it's it's an lessons left right but uh it's it's an interesting approach then if we go to to interesting approach then if we go to to interesting approach then if we go to to cyborg first thing that impressed me a cyborg first thing that impressed me a cyborg first thing that impressed me a lot is that they design Hardware long lot is that they design Hardware long lot is that they design Hardware long time ago with chips that probably still time ago with chips that probably still time ago with chips that probably still today have not been active today have not been active today have not been active so what else is in there right what else so what else is in there right what else so what else is in there right what else is possible yeah is possible yeah is possible yeah so yeah but how how the bill of material so yeah but how how the bill of material so yeah but how how the bill of material of this Hardware it's probably it's of this Hardware it's probably it's of this Hardware it's probably it's double or triple that's what we thought double or triple that's what we thought double or triple that's what we thought because it brings extra because it brings extra because it brings extra or they need something magic that I or they need something magic that I or they need something magic that I don't think you know you look at the the don't think you know you look at the the don't think you know you look at the the quantities that they bought from centec quantities that they bought from centec quantities that they bought from centec I mean it's just so minor from a cop I mean it's just so minor from a cop I mean it's just so minor from a cop from a bomb standpoint right I mean it from a bomb standpoint right I mean it from a bomb standpoint right I mean it really just put it in there my issue is really just put it in there my issue is really just put it in there my issue is also and Leonard goes into the viability also and Leonard goes into the viability also and Leonard goes into the viability of going who do you want to go to bed of going who do you want to go to bed of going who do you want to go to bed with who has it relates to this with who has it relates to this with who has it relates to this does this now allow Amazon to force more does this now allow Amazon to force more does this now allow Amazon to force more products down your throat products down your throat products down your throat as a sidewalk user so now not only do as a sidewalk user so now not only do as a sidewalk user so now not only do you need ring but you need Echo when you you need ring but you need Echo when you you need ring but you need Echo when you need dots and then you need this and need dots and then you need this and need dots and then you need this and then you need that and then you need then you need that and then you need then you need that and then you need this so are they going to force you on this so are they going to force you on this so are they going to force you on that subscription basis to keep on going

that subscription basis to keep on going that subscription basis to keep on going against with Amazon Prime or you know as against with Amazon Prime or you know as against with Amazon Prime or you know as a free user you know I'm just looking at a free user you know I'm just looking at a free user you know I'm just looking at the saying okay it's not like a helium the saying okay it's not like a helium the saying okay it's not like a helium but this is the only thing that helium but this is the only thing that helium but this is the only thing that helium did right it but you look at sidewalk did right it but you look at sidewalk did right it but you look at sidewalk you go oh [ __ ] the big company is now you go oh [ __ ] the big company is now you go oh [ __ ] the big company is now going to try and shove this down your going to try and shove this down your going to try and shove this down your throat charge you on this add on this I throat charge you on this add on this I throat charge you on this add on this I just just just this is what I don't understand on the this is what I don't understand on the this is what I don't understand on the strategy that they have wow what are strategy that they have wow what are strategy that they have wow what are they trying and to do on on executing they trying and to do on on executing they trying and to do on on executing these no yeah but on the other hand I I these no yeah but on the other hand I I these no yeah but on the other hand I I was really surprised to don't see today was really surprised to don't see today was really surprised to don't see today like okay we release 10 products on like okay we release 10 products on like okay we release 10 products on amazon.com that you can buy today amazon.com that you can buy today amazon.com that you can buy today these these season now the dog collar these these season now the dog collar these these season now the dog collar the cat thing the I don't know the the cat thing the I don't know the the cat thing the I don't know the security whatever uh no the devices like security whatever uh no the devices like security whatever uh no the devices like the what was the name of the button the what was the name of the button the what was the name of the button being the being the being the the the the the the the the button for Amazon the button for Amazon the button for Amazon yeah exactly the uh oh yeah yeah yeah I yeah exactly the uh oh yeah yeah yeah I yeah exactly the uh oh yeah yeah yeah I already forget how they yeah the strategy that they how they yeah the strategy that they have I was really surprised that to only have I was really surprised that to only have I was really surprised that to only see like a depth kid which is of course see like a depth kid which is of course see like a depth kid which is of course you need it yeah but I was very you need it yeah but I was very you need it yeah but I was very surprised you don't see like a complete surprised you don't see like a complete surprised you don't see like a complete um um um a lot of devices already connected with a lot of devices already connected with a lot of devices already connected with that just to engage and then I was and I that just to engage and then I was and I that just to engage and then I was and I started to think about you know our started to think about you know our started to think about you know our store the you know iot Center store

store the you know iot Center store store the you know iot Center store will they allow us to sell will they allow us to sell will they allow us to sell I uh sidewalk compatible iot sensors I uh sidewalk compatible iot sensors I uh sidewalk compatible iot sensors with an app with an app with an app or do I have to go through the Amazon or do I have to go through the Amazon or do I have to go through the Amazon store what do you mean well I mean let's just what do you mean well I mean let's just say there's companies out there they say there's companies out there they say there's companies out there they take the dev kit they take the chips and take the dev kit they take the chips and take the dev kit they take the chips and they start to build on a pen track a pet they start to build on a pen track a pet they start to build on a pen track a pet tracker that's sidewalk compatible tracker that's sidewalk compatible tracker that's sidewalk compatible and I want to put it on my iot sensor and I want to put it on my iot sensor and I want to put it on my iot sensor store store store will Amazon allow me uh yeah yeah I think so yeah probably uh yeah yeah I think so yeah probably you have the same problems you have the same problems you have the same problems in Europe they would they would probably in Europe they would they would probably in Europe they would they would probably force them to yeah it doesn't work in the in Europe or it doesn't work in the in Europe or anywhere else yeah so maybe it's it's anywhere else yeah so maybe it's it's anywhere else yeah so maybe it's it's because of gdpr I I mean you know I'm because of gdpr I I mean you know I'm because of gdpr I I mean you know I'm just really gonna be I'm gonna look into just really gonna be I'm gonna look into just really gonna be I'm gonna look into this a little bit more I just see like this a little bit more I just see like this a little bit more I just see like these really high level uh articles these really high level uh articles these really high level uh articles about it and uh you know it's they're about it and uh you know it's they're about it and uh you know it's they're not they're they probably uh confuse not they're they probably uh confuse not they're they probably uh confuse people at least uh people who are trying people at least uh people who are trying people at least uh people who are trying to figure this stuff out more than uh to figure this stuff out more than uh to figure this stuff out more than uh they are helpful they are helpful they are helpful um who knows they might even be be um who knows they might even be be um who knows they might even be be generated by chat GPT so I like actually generated by chat GPT so I like actually generated by chat GPT so I like actually go to the Amazon site and then maybe go to the Amazon site and then maybe go to the Amazon site and then maybe tweak around maybe I'll uh bring out a

tweak around maybe I'll uh bring out a tweak around maybe I'll uh bring out a couple of my the dots that I have in the couple of my the dots that I have in the couple of my the dots that I have in the drawer that I never use and connect and drawer that I never use and connect and drawer that I never use and connect and experiment experiment experiment but um it's getting a product I mean if but um it's getting a product I mean if but um it's getting a product I mean if you get yeah we we have the dev kit in you get yeah we we have the dev kit in you get yeah we we have the dev kit in our uh Charlotte location and and so you our uh Charlotte location and and so you our uh Charlotte location and and so you know it's just been playing with it but know it's just been playing with it but know it's just been playing with it but yeah it's it's an interesting idea it yeah it's it's an interesting idea it yeah it's it's an interesting idea it just adds more just adds more just adds more um um um you know more I is it an option yeah you know more I is it an option yeah you know more I is it an option yeah it's an option for consumers at home and it's an option for consumers at home and it's an option for consumers at home and pets maybe yeah but you know you know pets maybe yeah but you know you know pets maybe yeah but you know you know you know again I think it boils down to you know again I think it boils down to you know again I think it boils down to I mean a lot of like Mark you're making I mean a lot of like Mark you're making I mean a lot of like Mark you're making an interesting point a lot of these an interesting point a lot of these an interesting point a lot of these investment Lord knows that you know uh investment Lord knows that you know uh investment Lord knows that you know uh you know Amazon just basically you know Amazon just basically you know Amazon just basically um went and looked at every single um went and looked at every single um went and looked at every single possibility uh for Consumer industrial possibility uh for Consumer industrial possibility uh for Consumer industrial uh iot and probably bet on everything uh iot and probably bet on everything uh iot and probably bet on everything right right when they design stuff they right right when they design stuff they right right when they design stuff they probably went overboard and they were probably went overboard and they were probably went overboard and they were doing a lot of stuff when they were doing a lot of stuff when they were doing a lot of stuff when they were thinking through business models and you thinking through business models and you thinking through business models and you know you know solution uh possible know you know solution uh possible know you know solution uh possible solutions without considering privacy solutions without considering privacy solutions without considering privacy because privacy actually nobody gave a because privacy actually nobody gave a because privacy actually nobody gave a crap about that stuff back then it's crap about that stuff back then it's crap about that stuff back then it's gdpr that made that a a big deal and gdpr that made that a a big deal and gdpr that made that a a big deal and then now you know it's gonna become a then now you know it's gonna become a then now you know it's gonna become a more serious thing but there are so many more serious thing but there are so many more serious thing but there are so many companies out there that are still you companies out there that are still you companies out there that are still you know being really iffy on transparency

know being really iffy on transparency know being really iffy on transparency they're opt out first which is wrong and they're opt out first which is wrong and they're opt out first which is wrong and um it's a bad strategy maybe you can um it's a bad strategy maybe you can um it's a bad strategy maybe you can argue if it's right or wrong but I think argue if it's right or wrong but I think argue if it's right or wrong but I think it's wrong it's wrong it's wrong but what's your Alternatives here letter but what's your Alternatives here letter but what's your Alternatives here letter what's the alternative opt-in what's the alternative opt-in what's the alternative opt-in to everything how do you sell an opt-in to everything how do you sell an opt-in to everything how do you sell an opt-in so am I gonna are you opting into my so am I gonna are you opting into my so am I gonna are you opting into my service then you go buy the hardware service then you go buy the hardware service then you go buy the hardware no no no no no no you can buy the no no no no no no you can buy the no no no no no no you can buy the hardware and it is you're provisioning hardware and it is you're provisioning hardware and it is you're provisioning it and you're registering for the it and you're registering for the it and you're registering for the service you opt into certain functions service you opt into certain functions service you opt into certain functions like you know we do that like you know we do that like you know we do that let's go with the consumer process so let's go with the consumer process so let's go with the consumer process so okay so I buy the hardware I open it up okay so I buy the hardware I open it up okay so I buy the hardware I open it up it's got a QR code I download the app I it's got a QR code I download the app I it's got a QR code I download the app I go through it it has an opt-in program I go through it it has an opt-in program I go through it it has an opt-in program I read the t's and C's which you know only read the t's and C's which you know only read the t's and C's which you know only 16 people in the entire family all the 16 people in the entire family all the 16 people in the entire family all the work yeah all right and then you go work yeah all right and then you go work yeah all right and then you go ahead and go oh [ __ ] I'm not agreeing to ahead and go oh [ __ ] I'm not agreeing to ahead and go oh [ __ ] I'm not agreeing to that no I'm not opting in all right you that no I'm not opting in all right you that no I'm not opting in all right you think Amazon's buying your you're going think Amazon's buying your you're going think Amazon's buying your you're going to give you a full refund on that to give you a full refund on that to give you a full refund on that because you opted you didn't opt in is sidewalk a primary feature is sidewalk a primary feature yeah contributing contributing to uh yeah contributing contributing to uh yeah contributing contributing to uh what if you just bought like a a DOT and what if you just bought like a a DOT and what if you just bought like a a DOT and everything and you just want to uh go everything and you just want to uh go everything and you just want to uh go through your Wi-Fi and then your your through your Wi-Fi and then your your through your Wi-Fi and then your your home router you you don't want to use a home router you you don't want to use a home router you you don't want to use a sidewalk knowing that the implications

sidewalk knowing that the implications sidewalk knowing that the implications of that is that you're gonna somehow of that is that you're gonna somehow of that is that you're gonna somehow contribute to this quote-unquote free contribute to this quote-unquote free contribute to this quote-unquote free iot networks so I bought a DOT with iot networks so I bought a DOT with iot networks so I bought a DOT with sensors for my house yeah sensors for my house yeah sensors for my house yeah I get that I get it I open the box I I get that I get it I open the box I I get that I get it I open the box I download the app I'm go reading the t's download the app I'm go reading the t's download the app I'm go reading the t's and C's and I don't agree to the no and C's and I don't agree to the no and C's and I don't agree to the no security policy no privacy policy I say security policy no privacy policy I say security policy no privacy policy I say no I'm opting out of the I'm not opting no I'm opting out of the I'm not opting no I'm opting out of the I'm not opting I am not opting in could you yeah to opt I am not opting in could you yeah to opt I am not opting in could you yeah to opt out you have had to opt in right so I'm out you have had to opt in right so I'm out you have had to opt in right so I'm not opting in not opting in not opting in I then go back to Amazon and say take I then go back to Amazon and say take I then go back to Amazon and say take this [ __ ] back and send me a refund let's be serious there's choice if if let's be serious there's choice if if companies are gonna sit there and try to companies are gonna sit there and try to companies are gonna sit there and try to pull pull stunts like that why do you pull pull stunts like that why do you pull pull stunts like that why do you have to participate you ditch that crap have to participate you ditch that crap have to participate you ditch that crap you know what Apple doesn't do that you know what Apple doesn't do that you know what Apple doesn't do that Apple you know you have to literally Apple you know you have to literally Apple you know you have to literally provide consent for everyone people like provide consent for everyone people like provide consent for everyone people like to talk crap about Apple and say oh they to talk crap about Apple and say oh they to talk crap about Apple and say oh they don't really do that people why the don't really do that people why the don't really do that people why the reason why people are pissed off at them reason why people are pissed off at them reason why people are pissed off at them is that they're true they're making is that they're true they're making is that they're true they're making privacy a valuable thing for consumers privacy a valuable thing for consumers privacy a valuable thing for consumers and and Enterprises eventually if not and and Enterprises eventually if not and and Enterprises eventually if not already already already um and then this whole idea of um and then this whole idea of um and then this whole idea of transparency making things simple not transparency making things simple not transparency making things simple not preying on the ignorance and the preying on the ignorance and the preying on the ignorance and the negative well let's call it you know negative well let's call it you know negative well let's call it you know individual negligence of individuals

I don't know how can you say that that's I don't know how can you say that that's a I mean a good you know preying on that a I mean a good you know preying on that a I mean a good you know preying on that how is that a good thing and people how is that a good thing and people how is that a good thing and people knowing up the commercialization knowing up the commercialization knowing up the commercialization of things as it relates to things right of things as it relates to things right of things as it relates to things right so no no no I understand but again so no no no I understand but again so no no no I understand but again you're looking at you're looking at you're looking at item in it okay you bought your iPhone item in it okay you bought your iPhone item in it okay you bought your iPhone with a new rate plan from 18 T reporting with a new rate plan from 18 T reporting with a new rate plan from 18 T reporting from T-Mobile to 18 to you walk in there from T-Mobile to 18 to you walk in there from T-Mobile to 18 to you walk in there you buy a new 13 you on they unseal it you buy a new 13 you on they unseal it you buy a new 13 you on they unseal it you agree to the t's and C's because you agree to the t's and C's because you agree to the t's and C's because yeah you know as I said 16 people have yeah you know as I said 16 people have yeah you know as I said 16 people have read them you go in there and you read read them you go in there and you read read them you go in there and you read the teas and C's and you say I don't the teas and C's and you say I don't the teas and C's and you say I don't like what Apple's got in my T's and C's like what Apple's got in my T's and C's like what Apple's got in my T's and C's I'm sorry I'm not opting in is ATT gonna I'm sorry I'm not opting in is ATT gonna I'm sorry I'm not opting in is ATT gonna say take what no no you know that's say take what no no you know that's say take what no no you know that's right we're we you know we don't want right we're we you know we don't want right we're we you know we don't want your net ad we don't want your it's okay your net ad we don't want your it's okay your net ad we don't want your it's okay don't worry about it you don't have to don't worry about it you don't have to don't worry about it you don't have to become a subscriber come on dude you become a subscriber come on dude you become a subscriber come on dude you know that it doesn't work that way I know that it doesn't work that way I know that it doesn't work that way I mean mean mean when you when no no but when you do set when you when no no but when you do set when you when no no but when you do set up your uh Apple account and your phone up your uh Apple account and your phone up your uh Apple account and your phone there's a lot of stuff that you have to there's a lot of stuff that you have to there's a lot of stuff that you have to read have to opt into not opt out of read have to opt into not opt out of read have to opt into not opt out of it's not you know tracking your and it's not you know tracking your and it's not you know tracking your and sending Diagnostics and all this stuff sending Diagnostics and all this stuff sending Diagnostics and all this stuff and all this privacy related stuff okay and all this privacy related stuff okay and all this privacy related stuff okay and then it okay contributing the series and then it okay contributing the series and then it okay contributing the series and I decide that I don't want to opt in and I decide that I don't want to opt in and I decide that I don't want to opt in after I've taken the Box home and I'm after I've taken the Box home and I'm after I've taken the Box home and I'm trying to set it up and I'm doing that I

trying to set it up and I'm doing that I trying to set it up and I'm doing that I don't decide to opt in I go back to the don't decide to opt in I go back to the don't decide to opt in I go back to the store and say give me my freaking money store and say give me my freaking money store and say give me my freaking money back because I didn't have the agreement that's why they have uh you know reverse that's why they have uh you know reverse Logistics at these companies and why you should be screwing around I and why you should be screwing around I know another thing to know yeah know another thing to know yeah know another thing to know yeah different words uh the mass Market is different words uh the mass Market is different words uh the mass Market is not reading the season fees period not reading the season fees period not reading the season fees period and if we got to a situation where and if we got to a situation where and if we got to a situation where basketball is reading is able to basketball is reading is able to basketball is reading is able to understand the implications and based on understand the implications and based on understand the implications and based on their understanding they were to decide their understanding they were to decide their understanding they were to decide not to buy a product then and only then not to buy a product then and only then not to buy a product then and only then will be a product change right here will be a product change right here will be a product change right here until then until then pokeex until then until then pokeex until then until then pokeex right so if I have if I'm Amazon and I'm right so if I have if I'm Amazon and I'm right so if I have if I'm Amazon and I'm putting these putting these putting these devices these nodes onto the sidewalk devices these nodes onto the sidewalk devices these nodes onto the sidewalk Network and they're lighting up and Network and they're lighting up and Network and they're lighting up and they're lighting up and they're lighting they're lighting up and they're lighting they're lighting up and they're lighting up great get to it I I'm excited about up great get to it I I'm excited about up great get to it I I'm excited about what Amazon the other business units is what Amazon the other business units is what Amazon the other business units is going to do with sidewalk so if I buy going to do with sidewalk so if I buy going to do with sidewalk so if I buy the Pet Tracker that's compatible with the Pet Tracker that's compatible with the Pet Tracker that's compatible with sidewalk is there an integration to ring sidewalk is there an integration to ring sidewalk is there an integration to ring so that I know that it was my next door so that I know that it was my next door so that I know that it was my next door neighbor that stole my golden poodle neighbor that stole my golden poodle neighbor that stole my golden poodle that prick I knew it was him now I have that prick I knew it was him now I have that prick I knew it was him now I have evidence evidence evidence if I live in against Eric you know like if I live in against Eric you know like if I live in against Eric you know like in Barcelona and I live in a building in Barcelona and I live in a building in Barcelona and I live in a building with like 20 other apartments and

with like 20 other apartments and with like 20 other apartments and there's this package that I'm waiting there's this package that I'm waiting there's this package that I'm waiting for and there's like theft issues inside for and there's like theft issues inside for and there's like theft issues inside were going to help me out and tell me were going to help me out and tell me were going to help me out and tell me dude your package is literally coming in dude your package is literally coming in dude your package is literally coming in the next eight minutes go wait for it the next eight minutes go wait for it the next eight minutes go wait for it there I you know there's going to be you there I you know there's going to be you there I you know there's going to be you know a bunch of things that I hope uh know a bunch of things that I hope uh know a bunch of things that I hope uh all the business units at Amazon are all the business units at Amazon are all the business units at Amazon are gonna well they're they're already doing gonna well they're they're already doing gonna well they're they're already doing it I you know the reason why they bought it I you know the reason why they bought it I you know the reason why they bought ring is because they had so many ring is because they had so many ring is because they had so many packages being stolen from the front I packages being stolen from the front I packages being stolen from the front I mean in our neighborhood we have we mean in our neighborhood we have we mean in our neighborhood we have we still it doesn't matter that there's a still it doesn't matter that there's a still it doesn't matter that there's a ring or not the package is getting ring or not the package is getting ring or not the package is getting ripped off all the time there's like ripped off all the time there's like ripped off all the time there's like troops of of you know thieves around troops of of you know thieves around troops of of you know thieves around steel stuff of course they're going to steel stuff of course they're going to steel stuff of course they're going to invest in this stuff and then try to invest in this stuff and then try to invest in this stuff and then try to figure out how to monetize their time to figure out how to monetize their time to figure out how to monetize their time to move the thieves go to the good neighborhoods the thieves go to the good neighborhoods because that's where the expensive because that's where the expensive because that's where the expensive packages I play and I have like um yeah packages I play and I have like um yeah packages I play and I have like um yeah and then you have like a cheese like a and then you have like a cheese like a and then you have like a cheese like a you know like my wife you know like my wife you know like my wife that's like a package coming in every so that's like a package coming in every so that's like a package coming in every so there's frequency as well right the there's frequency as well right the there's frequency as well right the packages are better and there's high packages are better and there's high packages are better and there's high frequency so I gotta jump off but maybe frequency so I gotta jump off but maybe frequency so I gotta jump off but maybe maybe for next week we talk about uh maybe for next week we talk about uh maybe for next week we talk about uh core making up our friends at twilio uh core making up our friends at twilio uh core making up our friends at twilio uh earlier this week all they all they earlier this week all they all they earlier this week all they all they picked up was the subscribers The Sim

picked up was the subscribers The Sim picked up was the subscribers The Sim Sim subscribers that's all that's Sim subscribers that's all that's Sim subscribers that's all that's nothing else they didn't do anything nothing else they didn't do anything nothing else they didn't do anything it's just T-Mobile most of it's T-Mobile it's just T-Mobile most of it's T-Mobile it's just T-Mobile most of it's T-Mobile so I'll be I'll be I'll be at core on uh so I'll be I'll be I'll be at core on uh so I'll be I'll be I'll be at core on uh Tuesday all day so I'll find out you Tuesday all day so I'll find out you Tuesday all day so I'll find out you just ruined it acquired the business or just ruined it acquired the business or just ruined it acquired the business or just the iot business so depends on what just the iot business so depends on what just the iot business so depends on what you're looking at not had nothing to do you're looking at not had nothing to do you're looking at not had nothing to do with the developers so nothing to do with the developers so nothing to do with the developers so nothing to do with any of the code or developer with any of the code or developer with any of the code or developer programs or anything else it was just programs or anything else it was just programs or anything else it was just the iot subscribers because they were the iot subscribers because they were the iot subscribers because they were selling Sims selling Sims selling Sims um and do they have a lot of iot um and do they have a lot of iot um and do they have a lot of iot subscribers two million subscribers two million subscribers two million zoom in zoom in zoom in that's a lot wow yeah maybe that you that's a lot wow yeah maybe that you that's a lot wow yeah maybe that you know it adds a little bit of Decor but know it adds a little bit of Decor but know it adds a little bit of Decor but you know core stock went up 20 and then you know core stock went up 20 and then you know core stock went up 20 and then it dropped right back down yeah all it dropped right back down yeah all it dropped right back down yeah all right okay all right to our uh iot right okay all right to our uh iot right okay all right to our uh iot coffee talk oh so we'll see you Dave to coffee talk oh so we'll see you Dave to coffee talk oh so we'll see you Dave to our RIT Coffee Talk listeners thanks for our RIT Coffee Talk listeners thanks for our RIT Coffee Talk listeners thanks for hanging out and uh tolerating all the hanging out and uh tolerating all the hanging out and uh tolerating all the yelling yelling yelling but don't they tune in for this but don't they tune in for this but don't they tune in for this bantering this is what they do I mean no bantering this is what they do I mean no bantering this is what they do I mean no it's good stuff it's good stuff you're it's good stuff it's good stuff you're it's good stuff it's good stuff you're not gonna get this on some of the other not gonna get this on some of the other not gonna get this on some of the other places I don't know I I don't think so places I don't know I I don't think so places I don't know I I don't think so but you know I do know there's a lot of but you know I do know there's a lot of but you know I do know there's a lot of a lot of folks that are trying to copy a lot of folks that are trying to copy a lot of folks that are trying to copy what we do now is this viable is this viable and what what did you say add to to add

and what what did you say add to to add and what what did you say add to to add to core subscription base the answer is to core subscription base the answer is to core subscription base the answer is yes right so you're you got it again you're right so you're you got it again you're looking there's a consolidation going on looking there's a consolidation going on looking there's a consolidation going on right so you got carriers being bought right so you got carriers being bought right so you got carriers being bought by other cat you know it's it is net ads by other cat you know it's it is net ads by other cat you know it's it is net ads and so to add two million recurring and so to add two million recurring and so to add two million recurring Revenue uh subscribers to the the bottom Revenue uh subscribers to the the bottom Revenue uh subscribers to the the bottom line yes the answer is yes it's put it line yes the answer is yes it's put it line yes the answer is yes it's put it this way it makes more sense than buying this way it makes more sense than buying this way it makes more sense than buying Ericsson thank you Ericsson thank you Ericsson thank you yeah that I don't think they can afford yeah that I don't think they can afford yeah that I don't think they can afford him him him and anyway and anyway and anyway um hey uh save this for next week uh so um hey uh save this for next week uh so um hey uh save this for next week uh so thanks for tuning in making it this far thanks for tuning in making it this far thanks for tuning in making it this far remember to subscribe like and all the remember to subscribe like and all the remember to subscribe like and all the other good stuff other good stuff other good stuff um and uh check us out at www.iotcoffee.com www.iotcoffee.com and also make sure to check out Elevate and also make sure to check out Elevate and also make sure to check out Elevate our our our kids.org okay that is the charity that kids.org okay that is the charity that kids.org okay that is the charity that we uh support all any money that we make we uh support all any money that we make we uh support all any money that we make goes there okay and that's how we you goes there okay and that's how we you goes there okay and that's how we you know end up not fighting over money for know end up not fighting over money for know end up not fighting over money for this silly show oh yeah I should have this silly show oh yeah I should have this silly show oh yeah I should have worn my t-shirt I Gotta Wear My I Gotta worn my t-shirt I Gotta Wear My I Gotta worn my t-shirt I Gotta Wear My I Gotta Wear My Nails Wear My Nails Wear My Nails yes we should make that a tradition yes we should make that a tradition yes we should make that a tradition those those shirts are really awesome those those shirts are really awesome those those shirts are really awesome and also yeah if you don't want to and also yeah if you don't want to and also yeah if you don't want to donate and help kids just buy a shirt donate and help kids just buy a shirt donate and help kids just buy a shirt buy a t-shirt That's How we'll you know buy a t-shirt That's How we'll you know buy a t-shirt That's How we'll you know we'll use those proceeds to help a kid we'll use those proceeds to help a kid we'll use those proceeds to help a kid out you know I mean if you really need a

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