IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 212 - AI PC FINALLY Explained!!

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but they're not doing a lot of but they're not doing a lot of transformation locally which them not as transformation locally which them not as transformation locally which them not as developed as they should be so adopting developed as they should be so adopting developed as they should be so adopting those TXS they can probably produce more those TXS they can probably produce more those TXS they can probably produce more stuff stuff stuff yeah and actually so we're uh actually yeah and actually so we're uh actually yeah and actually so we're uh actually speaking of that I sat in on a speaking of that I sat in on a speaking of that I sat in on a presentation from this University in presentation from this University in presentation from this University in Ghana and they were all doing tiny ml Ghana and they were all doing tiny ml Ghana and they were all doing tiny ml projects as part of their you know projects as part of their you know projects as part of their you know graduate programs and fascinating in graduate programs and fascinating in graduate programs and fascinating in fact I just got the YouTube video I'm fact I just got the YouTube video I'm fact I just got the YouTube video I'm going to posted but it was a lot around going to posted but it was a lot around going to posted but it was a lot around agriculture so you know using tiny ml agriculture so you know using tiny ml agriculture so you know using tiny ml for crop detection soil detection for crop detection soil detection for crop detection soil detection moisture there was even like you know moisture there was even like you know moisture there was even like you know identifying certain pests and doing like identifying certain pests and doing like identifying certain pests and doing like kind of scarecrow type stuff to scare kind of scarecrow type stuff to scare kind of scarecrow type stuff to scare certain types of birds um that's cool certain types of birds um that's cool certain types of birds um that's cool doing all that kind of pattern doing all that kind of pattern doing all that kind of pattern identification you know at the point of identification you know at the point of identification you know at the point of impact it can be really important um for impact it can be really important um for impact it can be really important um for just kind of you know pretty profound just kind of you know pretty profound just kind of you know pretty profound improvements in a lot of quality of life improvements in a lot of quality of life improvements in a lot of quality of life so um without without requiring a so um without without requiring a so um without without requiring a Blackwell uh Data Center and if Scarlett Blackwell uh Data Center and if Scarlett Blackwell uh Data Center and if Scarlett Johansson chatbot you know uh not Johansson chatbot you know uh not Johansson chatbot you know uh not required what required what required what if investment going on in Africa right if investment going on in Africa right if investment going on in Africa right now uh for infrastructure so I think now uh for infrastructure so I think now uh for infrastructure so I think that you can see a lot of movement over that you can see a lot of movement over that you can see a lot of movement over the next few years yeah it's pretty cool the next few years yeah it's pretty cool the next few years yeah it's pretty cool yeah all right Leonard are you here man yeah all right Leonard are you here man yeah all right Leonard are you here man are you connected I don't know I have no are you connected I don't know I have no are you connected I don't know I have no freaking idea I'm l in the lobby of the freaking idea I'm l in the lobby of the freaking idea I'm l in the lobby of the grand hayatt yeah you think that they grand hayatt yeah you think that they grand hayatt yeah you think that they can afford good Wi-Fi but obviously not can afford good Wi-Fi but obviously not can afford good Wi-Fi but obviously not Yik wow because we were expecting a lot Yik wow because we were expecting a lot Yik wow because we were expecting a lot from you for this episode like giving us

from you for this episode like giving us from you for this episode like giving us the load the load the load computex P reborn PC reborn yeah yeah computex P reborn PC reborn yeah yeah computex P reborn PC reborn yeah yeah yeah um all I got to say I just got off yeah um all I got to say I just got off yeah um all I got to say I just got off doing a podcast recording with um Jim doing a podcast recording with um Jim doing a podcast recording with um Jim mcgreer of curious research and yeah uh mcgreer of curious research and yeah uh mcgreer of curious research and yeah uh he and I both concur this is like one of he and I both concur this is like one of he and I both concur this is like one of the craziest the craziest the craziest weirdest um Vibes of an EV you know of a weirdest um Vibes of an EV you know of a weirdest um Vibes of an EV you know of a industry event that we've ever witnessed industry event that we've ever witnessed industry event that we've ever witnessed um there's some strange stuff going um there's some strange stuff going um there's some strange stuff going on um yeah obviously do tell do tell on um yeah obviously do tell do tell on um yeah obviously do tell do tell yeah uh uh a lot of unconventional yeah uh uh a lot of unconventional yeah uh uh a lot of unconventional things right I mean obviously with the things right I mean obviously with the things right I mean obviously with the Microsoft build uh what was it last week Microsoft build uh what was it last week Microsoft build uh what was it last week or a oh no a couple of weeks ago yeah or a oh no a couple of weeks ago yeah or a oh no a couple of weeks ago yeah geez I'm losing track of time you know geez I'm losing track of time you know geez I'm losing track of time you know um you had um you had um you had Qualcomm uh Qualcomm uh Qualcomm uh announce uh X Ser you know Snapdragon X announce uh X Ser you know Snapdragon X announce uh X Ser you know Snapdragon X Series co-pilot plus right as being like Series co-pilot plus right as being like Series co-pilot plus right as being like sort of that initial and um sort of that initial and um sort of that initial and um stole um chip stole um chip stole um chip you know chip partner yeah yeah provider you know chip partner yeah yeah provider you know chip partner yeah yeah provider for uh that qualified for Microsoft's for uh that qualified for Microsoft's for uh that qualified for Microsoft's standard for co-pilot um plus PC and standard for co-pilot um plus PC and standard for co-pilot um plus PC and yeah you know I think you kind of got a yeah you know I think you kind of got a yeah you know I think you kind of got a feeling that things might get a little feeling that things might get a little feeling that things might get a little awkward coming into comput text and I awkward coming into comput text and I awkward coming into comput text and I think sure it was awkward and obviously

think sure it was awkward and obviously think sure it was awkward and obviously you know um one of the things that you know um one of the things that you know um one of the things that Qualcomm did very well is kind of itself Qualcomm did very well is kind of itself Qualcomm did very well is kind of itself as a benchmark coming into computex as a benchmark coming into computex as a benchmark coming into computex right because you know it doesn't right because you know it doesn't right because you know it doesn't matter you know what kind of smack you matter you know what kind of smack you matter you know what kind of smack you want to talk about uh X Elite and X+ I want to talk about uh X Elite and X+ I want to talk about uh X Elite and X+ I mean it's probably going to come in mean it's probably going to come in mean it's probably going to come in pretty uh solid especially with the pretty uh solid especially with the pretty uh solid especially with the CPU um obviously you know qualcomm's CPU um obviously you know qualcomm's CPU um obviously you know qualcomm's been working on mpus or neural been working on mpus or neural been working on mpus or neural processors for the longest time this processors for the longest time this processors for the longest time this kind of a net new thing for the other kind of a net new thing for the other kind of a net new thing for the other guys like AMD and guys like AMD and guys like AMD and Intel um so you know I think the Intel um so you know I think the Intel um so you know I think the recognition is that the you know recognition is that the you know recognition is that the you know Qualcomm is making a pretty compelling Qualcomm is making a pretty compelling Qualcomm is making a pretty compelling if not leading uh entry into the PC if not leading uh entry into the PC if not leading uh entry into the PC space right um and uh Microsoft's role space right um and uh Microsoft's role space right um and uh Microsoft's role is becoming kind of curious I mean is becoming kind of curious I mean is becoming kind of curious I mean they're leaning in with uh windows on they're leaning in with uh windows on they're leaning in with uh windows on the arm and then it's like okay everyone the arm and then it's like okay everyone the arm and then it's like okay everyone else is aipc until you come out with a a else is aipc until you come out with a a else is aipc until you come out with a a a a um a a um a a um processor uh where oems can basically processor uh where oems can basically processor uh where oems can basically deliver a machine that has at least 40 deliver a machine that has at least 40 deliver a machine that has at least 40 mpu tops right so I mean think about mpu tops right so I mean think about mpu tops right so I mean think about that look the timing you know that look the timing you know that look the timing you know everything's kind of skewed and yeah you

everything's kind of skewed and yeah you everything's kind of skewed and yeah you know not synced up uh not only is it know not synced up uh not only is it know not synced up uh not only is it kind of confusing for everybody cuz I kind of confusing for everybody cuz I kind of confusing for everybody cuz I think people are still struggling to think people are still struggling to think people are still struggling to figure out what is an aipc comp to figure out what is an aipc comp to figure out what is an aipc comp to several you know actually it was a several you know actually it was a several you know actually it was a question that was asked quite frequently question that was asked quite frequently question that was asked quite frequently during q&as I think most people didn't during q&as I think most people didn't during q&as I think most people didn't do a very good job of answering that do a very good job of answering that do a very good job of answering that question so might thought that they did question so might thought that they did question so might thought that they did yeah I saw like I mean you have AMD and yeah I saw like I mean you have AMD and yeah I saw like I mean you have AMD and Nvidia and Intel obviously want to be Nvidia and Intel obviously want to be Nvidia and Intel obviously want to be part of the story right so they're part of the story right so they're part of the story right so they're saying they're oh yeah going to be saying they're oh yeah going to be saying they're oh yeah going to be co-pilot ready or it's AI p PC Plus or co-pilot ready or it's AI p PC Plus or co-pilot ready or it's AI p PC Plus or ready or I don't know yeah cuz what ready or I don't know yeah cuz what ready or I don't know yeah cuz what about what about my desktop PC that has about what about my desktop PC that has about what about my desktop PC that has a super killer Nvidia graphics card a super killer Nvidia graphics card a super killer Nvidia graphics card whatever isn't that a PC ready doesn't whatever isn't that a PC ready doesn't whatever isn't that a PC ready doesn't that make it AI is in fact wouldn't my that make it AI is in fact wouldn't my that make it AI is in fact wouldn't my Nvidia graphics card that is expensive Nvidia graphics card that is expensive Nvidia graphics card that is expensive better than the 40 Topps mpu thing maybe better than the 40 Topps mpu thing maybe better than the 40 Topps mpu thing maybe yeah I mean is this a battle yeah I mean is this a battle yeah I mean is this a battle between Jensen and Pat Cristiano I mean are you are you trying Cristiano I mean are you are you trying to get us to the archaeology episode to get us to the archaeology episode to get us to the archaeology episode number two number two number two Rob but I mean for the for the sake our Rob but I mean for the for the sake our Rob but I mean for the for the sake our listeners Leonard so what is the best listeners Leonard so what is the best listeners Leonard so what is the best definition to you based on what you've definition to you based on what you've definition to you based on what you've seen how would you if I ask you what is seen how would you if I ask you what is seen how would you if I ask you what is an aipc what would you answer yourself an aipc what would you answer yourself an aipc what would you answer yourself um you know what I would

um you know what I would um you know what I would say is oh my God that was the longest ass pause oh my God that was the longest ass pause ever huh wow I'm almost tempted to say ever huh wow I'm almost tempted to say ever huh wow I'm almost tempted to say that there is there is no such thing as that there is there is no such thing as that there is there is no such thing as aipc or or all PCS or AIP PCS I can aipc or or all PCS or AIP PCS I can aipc or or all PCS or AIP PCS I can exactly I I train I use the ml.net on my exactly I I train I use the ml.net on my exactly I I train I use the ml.net on my laptop and train models and do an laptop and train models and do an laptop and train models and do an inferencing with just a plain old laptop inferencing with just a plain old laptop inferencing with just a plain old laptop so any any computer can do AI it's just so any any computer can do AI it's just so any any computer can do AI it's just how fast can it do it yeah think that's how fast can it do it yeah think that's how fast can it do it yeah think that's maybe that's the kind of yeah but maybe maybe that's the kind of yeah but maybe maybe that's the kind of yeah but maybe I think the risk of that because I was I think the risk of that because I was I think the risk of that because I was personally absolutely stunned and personally absolutely stunned and personally absolutely stunned and frightened and horrified when I heard frightened and horrified when I heard frightened and horrified when I heard the Microsoft the Microsoft the Microsoft story because they capab their features story because they capab their features story because they capab their features to take screenshot of everything you do to take screenshot of everything you do to take screenshot of everything you do oh the recall oh the recall oh the recall Rec as as a hacker it's Heaven it's oh Rec as as a hacker it's Heaven it's oh Rec as as a hacker it's Heaven it's oh yeah apparently someone's already yeah apparently someone's already yeah apparently someone's already published a tool to that of course published a tool to that of course published a tool to that of course because in the past you had to kind of because in the past you had to kind of because in the past you had to kind of go do social engineering by looking at go do social engineering by looking at go do social engineering by looking at different angle of a person you have to different angle of a person you have to different angle of a person you have to go in his Facebook house find his go in his Facebook house find his go in his Facebook house find his girlfriend now you just to hack the girlfriend now you just to hack the girlfriend now you just to hack the freaking thing and you're good yeah freaking thing and you're good yeah freaking thing and you're good yeah screen every five screen every five screen every five seconds understand that yeah I mean you seconds understand that yeah I mean you seconds understand that yeah I mean you know yeah honestly what these guys are know yeah honestly what these guys are know yeah honestly what these guys are trying to get at is this um the trying to get at is this um the trying to get at is this um the aipc I mean almost specifically is for

aipc I mean almost specifically is for aipc I mean almost specifically is for laptops and it boils down the battery laptops and it boils down the battery laptops and it boils down the battery life right I mean the reason why you life right I mean the reason why you life right I mean the reason why you have't have't have't is you have low power AI compute why do is you have low power AI compute why do is you have low power AI compute why do you have that is because you want to be you have that is because you want to be you have that is because you want to be able to run um certain types of able to run um certain types of able to run um certain types of applications and believe it or not most applications and believe it or not most applications and believe it or not most of the stuff that I've seen is not of the stuff that I've seen is not of the stuff that I've seen is not generative um obviously co-pilot generative um obviously co-pilot generative um obviously co-pilot plus it is going to have you know plus it is going to have you know plus it is going to have you know generative you know like large language generative you know like large language generative you know like large language models and you know a variety of models and you know a variety of models and you know a variety of different models running in the different models running in the different models running in the background but most of these things are background but most of these things are background but most of these things are like freaking you know ml you like more like freaking you know ml you like more like freaking you know ml you like more conventional Oh you mean you mean what conventional Oh you mean you mean what conventional Oh you mean you mean what Engineers call ai ai yeahi not not AGI which is where yeahi not not AGI which is where apparently we're going very quick yeah apparently we're going very quick yeah apparently we're going very quick yeah no no no so far from that I mean I think no no no so far from that I mean I think no no no so far from that I mean I think a lot of the valuable applications are a lot of the valuable applications are a lot of the valuable applications are actually these utility applications actually these utility applications actually these utility applications whether it's security or monitoring whether it's security or monitoring whether it's security or monitoring let's say performance monitoring these let's say performance monitoring these let's say performance monitoring these things that you would want having uh um things that you would want having uh um things that you would want having uh um you know uh you know uh you know uh running background yeah without like running background yeah without like running background yeah without like yeah without like freaking destroying yeah without like freaking destroying yeah without like freaking destroying your battery life you know and no your battery life you know and no your battery life you know and no seriously it boils down to that because seriously it boils down to that because seriously it boils down to that because to your to your to your point Rob I if you have a freaking GPU point Rob I if you have a freaking GPU point Rob I if you have a freaking GPU like RTX GeForce GPU and it's popping like RTX GeForce GPU and it's popping like RTX GeForce GPU and it's popping out 700 tops and it's plugged into the

out 700 tops and it's plugged into the out 700 tops and it's plugged into the wall you're really not going to give it wall you're really not going to give it wall you're really not going to give it crap about an mpu really GNA give a crap crap about an mpu really GNA give a crap crap about an mpu really GNA give a crap about the mpu I mean why why why is the about the mpu I mean why why why is the about the mpu I mean why why why is the mpu so important on a smartphone because mpu so important on a smartphone because mpu so important on a smartphone because it's a freaking mobile device it's the it's a freaking mobile device it's the it's a freaking mobile device it's the most constrained device that's out there most constrained device that's out there most constrained device that's out there today why do you have it on a smartphone today why do you have it on a smartphone today why do you have it on a smartphone because you need that low power Compu uh because you need that low power Compu uh because you need that low power Compu uh AI Computing to do all the fancy little AI Computing to do all the fancy little AI Computing to do all the fancy little you know Gizmo type of stuff on on the you know Gizmo type of stuff on on the you know Gizmo type of stuff on on the device so it was not the battery life device so it was not the battery life device so it was not the battery life and you know that's where I mean and you know that's where I mean and you know that's where I mean qualcomm's got game so maybe you just qualcomm's got game so maybe you just qualcomm's got game so maybe you just explained it to everyone maybe you did explained it to everyone maybe you did explained it to everyone maybe you did just answer the question the aipc with just answer the question the aipc with just answer the question the aipc with the mpu the point of it is to offload the mpu the point of it is to offload the mpu the point of it is to offload those AI tasks that are usually CPU those AI tasks that are usually CPU those AI tasks that are usually CPU intensive and they're going to reduce intensive and they're going to reduce intensive and they're going to reduce battery life and blah blah blah not use battery life and blah blah blah not use battery life and blah blah blah not use as much battery yeah versus just but as much battery yeah versus just but as much battery yeah versus just but you're right if I'm plugged in like a you're right if I'm plugged in like a you're right if I'm plugged in like a desktop PC or a server with a RTX you desktop PC or a server with a RTX you desktop PC or a server with a RTX you know whatever yeah Bia I could care less know whatever yeah Bia I could care less know whatever yeah Bia I could care less I've got way more tops zillion Mor Toops I've got way more tops zillion Mor Toops I've got way more tops zillion Mor Toops would you would you save more battery would you would you save more battery would you would you save more battery life on generative AI if you just ran it life on generative AI if you just ran it life on generative AI if you just ran it in the cloud oh oh you had to go there in the cloud oh oh you had to go there in the cloud oh oh you had to go there didn't you whoops yeah but in our didn't you whoops yeah but in our didn't you whoops yeah but in our episode of Silicon Valley we're using episode of Silicon Valley we're using episode of Silicon Valley we're using everybody's everybody's everybody's computer as a big Piper Piper all over computer as a big Piper Piper all over computer as a big Piper Piper all over again exactly for compression out again exactly for compression out again exactly for compression out algorithm or whatever it is mle out algorithm or whatever it is mle out algorithm or whatever it is mle out middle out middle middle out middle middle out middle out life messaging much more sounds like

out life messaging much more sounds like out life messaging much more sounds like Blackberry too that's what I was hearing Blackberry too that's what I was hearing Blackberry too that's what I was hearing was working oh yeah devices are not if was working oh yeah devices are not if was working oh yeah devices are not if you want to run those all day long you you want to run those all day long you you want to run those all day long you have to use something efficient and so have to use something efficient and so have to use something efficient and so it's the same but for more sophisticated it's the same but for more sophisticated it's the same but for more sophisticated apps also going back to the ml thing apps also going back to the ml thing apps also going back to the ml thing like you know I know of a lot of like you know I know of a lot of like you know I know of a lot of companies that build sensors you know to companies that build sensors you know to companies that build sensors you know to measure these things that have measure these things that have measure these things that have the ml in the sensor and it's really the ml in the sensor and it's really the ml in the sensor and it's really designed you don't even need to go back designed you don't even need to go back designed you don't even need to go back to the CPU or or npu on a lot of this to the CPU or or npu on a lot of this to the CPU or or npu on a lot of this stuff right could be measuring visual stuff right could be measuring visual stuff right could be measuring visual things power things right in the sensor things power things right in the sensor things power things right in the sensor itself and how would you do that how itself and how would you do that how itself and how would you do that how could you do ML on a tiny ml tiny ml I could you do ML on a tiny ml tiny ml I could you do ML on a tiny ml tiny ml I don't oh oh that sounds wow wow I've don't oh oh that sounds wow wow I've don't oh oh that sounds wow wow I've never heard maybe a mwatt here and there never heard maybe a mwatt here and there never heard maybe a mwatt here and there you know a mwatt here and there wow you you know a mwatt here and there wow you you know a mwatt here and there wow you know so it's interesting you for EDI you know so it's interesting you for EDI you know so it's interesting you for EDI you don't need it there you go EDI there you don't need it there you go EDI there you don't need it there you go EDI there you go so so while so while Microsoft's go so so while so while Microsoft's go so so while so while Microsoft's marketing engine is revved up with the marketing engine is revved up with the marketing engine is revved up with the aipc and talking a good game are they aipc and talking a good game are they aipc and talking a good game are they also shooting themselves in the foot also shooting themselves in the foot also shooting themselves in the foot with this recall thing everyone's with this recall thing everyone's with this recall thing everyone's favorite key logger screenshotter favorite key logger screenshotter favorite key logger screenshotter spyware that offloads all that work to spyware that offloads all that work to spyware that offloads all that work to an mpu so you don't notice the an mpu so you don't notice the an mpu so you don't notice the screenshots happening getting your bank screenshots happening getting your bank screenshots happening getting your bank account numbers account numbers account numbers getting oh and then I read I think I getting oh and then I read I think I getting oh and then I read I think I read a similar article maybe that you read a similar article maybe that you read a similar article maybe that you saw guys uh about hacking it and someone saw guys uh about hacking it and someone saw guys uh about hacking it and someone discovered everything's just being discovered everything's just being discovered everything's just being stored to my second open text open text

stored to my second open text open text stored to my second open text open text my second favorite embedded database SQL my second favorite embedded database SQL my second favorite embedded database SQL light it's all it's all being stored in light it's all it's all being stored in light it's all it's all being stored in SQL light on Windows yeah yeah yeah SQL light on Windows yeah yeah yeah SQL light on Windows yeah yeah yeah which I thought I thought that's called which I thought I thought that's called which I thought I thought that's called a a a retriever yeah so so just search for the retriever yeah so so just search for the retriever yeah so so just search for the little SEL light database uh oh my God I little SEL light database uh oh my God I little SEL light database uh oh my God I think it could be it could end up after think it could be it could end up after think it could be it could end up after all this if this recall thing turns out all this if this recall thing turns out all this if this recall thing turns out to be the top story and that people go to be the top story and that people go to be the top story and that people go into Best Buy and say I'm not buying into Best Buy and say I'm not buying into Best Buy and say I'm not buying this thing because it has that recall on this thing because it has that recall on this thing because it has that recall on it then you're right it then you're right it then you're right this could this could this could kill yeah I heard Best Buy is training kill yeah I heard Best Buy is training kill yeah I heard Best Buy is training their retailers though their salese so their retailers though their salese so their retailers though their salese so that should solve the problem you that should solve the problem you that should solve the problem you because Best Buy salesperson is usually because Best Buy salesperson is usually because Best Buy salesperson is usually the expert in the room that's what Geek the expert in the room that's what Geek the expert in the room that's what Geek Squad Geek Squad what was that Squad Geek Squad what was that Squad Geek Squad what was that Eric they need to rename The Geek Squad Eric they need to rename The Geek Squad Eric they need to rename The Geek Squad to the AI geek sad and then you're done to the AI geek sad and then you're done to the AI geek sad and then you're done there you go Eric you need to get a there you go Eric you need to get a there you go Eric you need to get a better mic dude you're never going to better mic dude you're never going to better mic dude you're never going to get word in the edge send me a check get word in the edge send me a check get word in the edge send me a check solve your problem no it's okay you solve your problem no it's okay you solve your problem no it's okay you don't want me cutting in as much as I do don't want me cutting in as much as I do don't want me cutting in as much as I do anyway no we want you to cut in you just anyway no we want you to cut in you just anyway no we want you to cut in you just got to get like a big freaking mic like got to get like a big freaking mic like got to get like a big freaking mic like Tre my son has them all downstairs for Tre my son has them all downstairs for Tre my son has them all downstairs for his for his studio so I'll just have to his for his studio so I'll just have to his for his studio so I'll just have to steal them yeah there you go steal them steal them yeah there you go steal them steal them yeah there you go steal them there you go yeah what were you gonna there you go yeah what were you gonna there you go yeah what were you gonna say you weren gonna say it must be say you weren gonna say it must be say you weren gonna say it must be working because we're talking about working because we're talking about working because we're talking about it Microsoft we're talking about it so it Microsoft we're talking about it so it Microsoft we're talking about it so the marketing Folks at Microsoft happy

the marketing Folks at Microsoft happy the marketing Folks at Microsoft happy um so it's working yeah it's generating um so it's working yeah it's generating um so it's working yeah it's generating a lot of news for sure the all the news a lot of news for sure the all the news a lot of news for sure the all the news I mean of course we're we're skewed I mean of course we're we're skewed I mean of course we're we're skewed because we're watching all the tech news because we're watching all the tech news because we're watching all the tech news but it's definitely flooded the airwaves but it's definitely flooded the airwaves but it's definitely flooded the airwaves this week with PC reborn I mean this week with PC reborn I mean this week with PC reborn I mean qualcomm's in a great job making the qualcomm's in a great job making the qualcomm's in a great job making the most of the moment you know the question most of the moment you know the question most of the moment you know the question is is it translate from Microsoft you is is it translate from Microsoft you is is it translate from Microsoft you know going back to my days when I drove know going back to my days when I drove know going back to my days when I drove the windows on Snapdragon program the the windows on Snapdragon program the the windows on Snapdragon program the big question was is this going to be big question was is this going to be big question was is this going to be just share shift which means you ship just share shift which means you ship just share shift which means you ship just the same amount of PCS but slightly just the same amount of PCS but slightly just the same amount of PCS but slightly different chips and different things but different chips and different things but different chips and different things but there's no increase volume or is it there's no increase volume or is it there's no increase volume or is it actually going to increase the sales at actually going to increase the sales at actually going to increase the sales at DC's total I think it's a one two punch DC's total I think it's a one two punch DC's total I think it's a one two punch I think you're right with a share shift I think you're right with a share shift I think you're right with a share shift going from Intel to to going from Intel to to going from Intel to to Snapdragon which is why they're also Snapdragon which is why they're also Snapdragon which is why they're also doing the aipc npu to try to get a PC doing the aipc npu to try to get a PC doing the aipc npu to try to get a PC refresh going and get people excited refresh going and get people excited refresh going and get people excited about a new pc with that except that about a new pc with that except that about a new pc with that except that they might be committing suicide with they might be committing suicide with they might be committing suicide with the recall thing yeah can I get PC with the recall thing yeah can I get PC with the recall thing yeah can I get PC with Windows X P please there you go co-pilot Windows X P please there you go co-pilot Windows X P please there you go co-pilot Junior I think Junior I think Junior I think J you knowt please NT3 NT was awesome J you knowt please NT3 NT was awesome J you knowt please NT3 NT was awesome are horrible my favorite version of NT are horrible my favorite version of NT are horrible my favorite version of NT was NT was NT was NT 351 it it it was um I remember that you 351 it it it was um I remember that you 351 it it it was um I remember that you know you had you launched with know you had you launched with know you had you launched with n31 weird weird numbering but kind of n31 weird weird numbering but kind of n31 weird weird numbering but kind of aligned with Windows 31 and then you did aligned with Windows 31 and then you did aligned with Windows 31 and then you did but it needed more horsepower and then but it needed more horsepower and then but it needed more horsepower and then you came out with n Daytona which was

you came out with n Daytona which was you came out with n Daytona which was N35 which they made it a lot faster n351 N35 which they made it a lot faster n351 N35 which they made it a lot faster n351 was a real stability thing and um most was a real stability thing and um most was a real stability thing and um most stable version of NT ever it was awesome stable version of NT ever it was awesome stable version of NT ever it was awesome nt4 was destabilized by moving the nt4 was destabilized by moving the nt4 was destabilized by moving the graphics into ring zero of the CPU and graphics into ring zero of the CPU and graphics into ring zero of the CPU and so remember Microsoft used did not was so remember Microsoft used did not was so remember Microsoft used did not was not in charge of Graphics drivers for not in charge of Graphics drivers for not in charge of Graphics drivers for third parties uh or testing at that time third parties uh or testing at that time third parties uh or testing at that time and so an Nvidia or whoever could have and so an Nvidia or whoever could have and so an Nvidia or whoever could have an unstable graphics driver and since an unstable graphics driver and since an unstable graphics driver and since it's running in ring zero blue screen of it's running in ring zero blue screen of it's running in ring zero blue screen of death and that's what happened with nt4 death and that's what happened with nt4 death and that's what happened with nt4 was it was blue screen was it was blue screen was it was blue screen City Doom you needed to play City Doom you needed to play City Doom you needed to play Doom so you really need co-pilot plus Doom so you really need co-pilot plus Doom so you really need co-pilot plus service pack one is really yeah so you service pack one is really yeah so you service pack one is really yeah so you didn't recover R clippy clippy oh God didn't recover R clippy clippy oh God didn't recover R clippy clippy oh God you had to go you had to go you had to go there go ahead no no no did anyone do there go ahead no no no did anyone do there go ahead no no no did anyone do disclaimer oh yeah we should have done disclaimer oh yeah we should have done disclaimer oh yeah we should have done the disclaimer yeah hey uh everyone take the disclaimer yeah hey uh everyone take the disclaimer yeah hey uh everyone take us seriously at your own risk please us seriously at your own risk please us seriously at your own risk please your own risk not ours your risk and your own risk not ours your risk and your own risk not ours your risk and we're just here to have fun so the risk we're just here to have fun so the risk we're just here to have fun so the risk is on you we are offloading just like is on you we are offloading just like is on you we are offloading just like you know we're trying to offload yeah to you know we're trying to offload yeah to you know we're trying to offload yeah to the mpu we are offloading risk onto you the mpu we are offloading risk onto you the mpu we are offloading risk onto you so okay what do you guys want us talk so okay what do you guys want us talk so okay what do you guys want us talk about that's another use case for the about that's another use case for the about that's another use case for the aipc so disclaimer but Rob you should be

aipc so disclaimer but Rob you should be aipc so disclaimer but Rob you should be you should be depressed if you're so fan you should be depressed if you're so fan you should be depressed if you're so fan of n 3.51 because I think Microsoft just of n 3.51 because I think Microsoft just of n 3.51 because I think Microsoft just confirmed the the end of life of ntlm confirmed the the end of life of ntlm confirmed the the end of life of ntlm last week land manager no the the last week land manager no the the last week land manager no the the autentication protocol and right right autentication protocol and right right autentication protocol and right right that's where all came from it's it's that's where all came from it's it's that's where all came from it's it's done you have to move away from it I'm done you have to move away from it I'm done you have to move away from it I'm sorry ah ntlm is but when I said land sorry ah ntlm is but when I said land sorry ah ntlm is but when I said land manager that's the the birth of that was manager that's the the birth of that was manager that's the the birth of that was was IBM land manager and so the the same was IBM land manager and so the the same was IBM land manager and so the the same code base of os2 and then NT all you code base of os2 and then NT all you code base of os2 and then NT all you know all doing the same stuff together know all doing the same stuff together know all doing the same stuff together right because they all came from the right because they all came from the right because they all came from the same is that a real human no no that's same is that a real human no no that's same is that a real human no no that's you know it is it is scary how real this you know it is it is scary how real this you know it is it is scary how real this dude security bot or whatever the hell dude security bot or whatever the hell dude security bot or whatever the hell it is yeah yeah AI security bot it it it is yeah yeah AI security bot it it it is yeah yeah AI security bot it it it's almost like uh you know a geni it's almost like uh you know a geni it's almost like uh you know a geni generated that's really interesting they generated that's really interesting they generated that's really interesting they have kind of a mannequin so pretty empty have kind of a mannequin so pretty empty have kind of a mannequin so pretty empty yeah some weird stuff so Leonard what yeah some weird stuff so Leonard what yeah some weird stuff so Leonard what was your take what was your take when was your take what was your take when was your take what was your take when Pat got up when Pat got on stage and Pat got up when Pat got on stage and Pat got up when Pat got on stage and said that Mo's law is alive and said that Mo's law is alive and said that Mo's law is alive and well oh yeah I think so after Jensen well oh yeah I think so after Jensen well oh yeah I think so after Jensen said Mo's law was said Mo's law was said Mo's law was dead match it's not it's I mean you know dead match it's not it's I mean you know dead match it's not it's I mean you know D I mean Jensen is a funny dude um you D I mean Jensen is a funny dude um you D I mean Jensen is a funny dude um you know it's like you can't you can't know it's like you can't you can't know it's like you can't you can't conflate like transistor density and conflate like transistor density and conflate like transistor density and scaling with you know like a freaking scaling with you know like a freaking scaling with you know like a freaking system you know like a whole super

system you know like a whole super system you know like a whole super computer scaling and densification you computer scaling and densification you computer scaling and densification you know those two different things so he's know those two different things so he's know those two different things so he's comp comparing those two curves but yeah comp comparing those two curves but yeah comp comparing those two curves but yeah it was one of the things that I you know it was one of the things that I you know it was one of the things that I you know actually Jim and I were talking about uh actually Jim and I were talking about uh actually Jim and I were talking about uh and you know for those of you guys who and you know for those of you guys who and you know for those of you guys who don't know Jim McGregor I mean the dude don't know Jim McGregor I mean the dude don't know Jim McGregor I mean the dude is like he's been around for a long time is like he's been around for a long time is like he's been around for a long time one of the top analysts for one of the top analysts for one of the top analysts for semiconductors and yeah he he he and I semiconductors and yeah he he he and I semiconductors and yeah he he he and I both agreed I mean from a silicon both agreed I mean from a silicon both agreed I mean from a silicon perspective perspective perspective even Blackwell is bound to Moore's Law even Blackwell is bound to Moore's Law even Blackwell is bound to Moore's Law right um it it's not it's not doing some right um it it's not it's not doing some right um it it's not it's not doing some you know it's not going Beyond physics you know it's not going Beyond physics you know it's not going Beyond physics and all these things that Jensen talks and all these things that Jensen talks and all these things that Jensen talks about um and so the way that they're about um and so the way that they're about um and so the way that they're scaling these systems is networking in scaling these systems is networking in scaling these systems is networking in interconnect right so Envy link and interconnect right so Envy link and interconnect right so Envy link and infiniband and so now everyone's trying infiniband and so now everyone's trying infiniband and so now everyone's trying to match them with the this um you know to match them with the this um you know to match them with the this um you know advantage that they have on especially advantage that they have on especially advantage that they have on especially with the Envy link and so think about as with the Envy link and so think about as with the Envy link and so think about as like being able to virtualize a like being able to virtualize a like being able to virtualize a whole um you know cluster of uh gpus whole um you know cluster of uh gpus whole um you know cluster of uh gpus into one logical node right so it's like into one logical node right so it's like into one logical node right so it's like virtualization virtualization virtualization right and that's that's what he the dude right and that's that's what he the dude right and that's that's what he the dude is talking about so it's more like is talking about so it's more like is talking about so it's more like software and networking software and networking software and networking related than anything else and then um related than anything else and then um related than anything else and then um you know obviously they're doing all the you know obviously they're doing all the you know obviously they're doing all the tiny ml stuff going to like you know tiny ml stuff going to like you know tiny ml stuff going to like you know point you know like we talked about this point you know like we talked about this point you know like we talked about this before right floating Point um four and

before right floating Point um four and before right floating Point um four and and and and four and that just makes it look like four and that just makes it look like four and that just makes it look like it's going parabolic but in in reality it's going parabolic but in in reality it's going parabolic but in in reality what they should be doing is when what they should be doing is when what they should be doing is when they're showing their curve it should be they're showing their curve it should be they're showing their curve it should be you know um floating point you know 16 you know um floating point you know 16 you know um floating point you know 16 and they don't do that so it makes the and they don't do that so it makes the and they don't do that so it makes the curve look like it's going exponential curve look like it's going exponential curve look like it's going exponential that's not necessarily the case but you that's not necessarily the case but you that's not necessarily the case but you know what Jensen does know what Jensen does know what Jensen does uh does caveat his statement with is um uh does caveat his statement with is um uh does caveat his statement with is um that they are they are scaling the that they are they are scaling the that they are they are scaling the ability to handle as the new workload of ability to handle as the new workload of ability to handle as the new workload of a you know AI workload which is all this a you know AI workload which is all this a you know AI workload which is all this generative uh you know large language generative uh you know large language generative uh you know large language model training crap so in that sense model training crap so in that sense model training crap so in that sense he's correct stock price Drive stock he's correct stock price Drive stock he's correct stock price Drive stock price doesn't it he hey you know what price doesn't it he hey you know what price doesn't it he hey you know what the dude the dude knows how to sell you the dude the dude knows how to sell you the dude the dude knows how to sell you can't you can't deny it I mean the can't you can't deny it I mean the can't you can't deny it I mean the guy he knows how to tell a freaking guy he knows how to tell a freaking guy he knows how to tell a freaking story and you know I was at the keyote story and you know I was at the keyote story and you know I was at the keyote and the whole time I'm going oh my god and the whole time I'm going oh my god and the whole time I'm going oh my god um I am drunk on Kool-Aid this is like um I am drunk on Kool-Aid this is like um I am drunk on Kool-Aid this is like really hard to not walk out of here like really hard to not walk out of here like really hard to not walk out of here like totally inated you know and um you saw totally inated you know and um you saw totally inated you know and um you saw him him him man these speeches from these CEOs are man these speeches from these CEOs are man these speeches from these CEOs are stock price drivers stock price drivers stock price drivers because did you look at the stock from because did you look at the stock from because did you look at the stock from various obviously envas through the roof

various obviously envas through the roof various obviously envas through the roof but when Pat got up there and gave his but when Pat got up there and gave his but when Pat got up there and gave his talk and said we got AI too we got an AI talk and said we got AI too we got an AI talk and said we got AI too we got an AI chip Intel stock went up yesterday I chip Intel stock went up yesterday I chip Intel stock went up yesterday I mean it's I don't want to say it's a mean it's I don't want to say it's a mean it's I don't want to say it's a game game game or anyway always been a game of course or anyway always been a game of course or anyway always been a game of course it's a game it's a game it's a game yeah billion for xai right I mean it's yeah billion for xai right I mean it's yeah billion for xai right I mean it's right you can't blame them for doing right you can't blame them for doing right you can't blame them for doing that is the people and just do the that is the people and just do the that is the people and just do the stupid things buying they just yeah yeah stupid things buying they just yeah yeah stupid things buying they just yeah yeah yeah I mean but but but you know that yeah I mean but but but you know that yeah I mean but but but you know that being said there's some real stuff being said there's some real stuff being said there's some real stuff happening right I mean there's real happening right I mean there's real happening right I mean there's real competition real arguments to be made competition real arguments to be made competition real arguments to be made and you know certain players are doing and you know certain players are doing and you know certain players are doing that better than others some are being that better than others some are being that better than others some are being Sensational and you know kind of um Sensational and you know kind of um Sensational and you know kind of um upping the game on sensationalism and upping the game on sensationalism and upping the game on sensationalism and you know Pine you know Pine you know Pine nonsense um but you made a good point to nonsense um but you made a good point to nonsense um but you made a good point to about xai because you're right Elon just about xai because you're right Elon just about xai because you're right Elon just came out and said I'm buying a whole ton came out and said I'm buying a whole ton came out and said I'm buying a whole ton of Nvidia for of Nvidia for of Nvidia for xai in fact I can see a company being xai in fact I can see a company being xai in fact I can see a company being formed where we strategically have formed where we strategically have formed where we strategically have disparate companies make announcements disparate companies make announcements disparate companies make announcements once per week about how they're buying a once per week about how they're buying a once per week about how they're buying a ton of Nvidia whatever or name your ton of Nvidia whatever or name your ton of Nvidia whatever or name your company to pump the stock company to pump the stock company to pump the stock price yeah yeah seemingly unrelated just price yeah yeah seemingly unrelated just price yeah yeah seemingly unrelated just I don't know just randomly came good I don't know just randomly came good I don't know just randomly came good idea create a network of company we just idea create a network of company we just idea create a network of company we just buying from each other so just rotate buying from each other so just rotate buying from each other so just rotate the same stock and just add a little bit the same stock and just add a little bit the same stock and just add a little bit at every round that could be a money

at every round that could be a money at every round that could be a money machine could be could be we're machine could be could be we're machine could be could be we're marketing J be crypto in the late 90s marketing J be crypto in the late 90s marketing J be crypto in the late 90s with fiber optic a bit sure did so it's with fiber optic a bit sure did so it's with fiber optic a bit sure did so it's I mean I've read so much about this I mean I've read so much about this I mean I've read so much about this again I'm not a a lite I believe in again I'm not a a lite I believe in again I'm not a a lite I believe in progress but U I think the froth right progress but U I think the froth right progress but U I think the froth right now is is pretty frothy so I think now is is pretty frothy so I think now is is pretty frothy so I think there's going to be a bit of a a bit of there's going to be a bit of a a bit of there's going to be a bit of a a bit of a flattening over the next couple years a flattening over the next couple years a flattening over the next couple years yeah yeah yeah I mean you know you could tell me when I mean you know you could tell me when I mean you know you could tell me when the flattening is about to begin Eric the flattening is about to begin Eric the flattening is about to begin Eric that would be great so that I can sell that would be great so that I can sell that would be great so that I can sell all my Nvidia stock right before that all my Nvidia stock right before that all my Nvidia stock right before that happens happens happens yeah I'm just proud that you have it so yeah I'm just proud that you have it so yeah I'm just proud that you have it so good for you yeah for you qualcomm's a good for you yeah for you qualcomm's a good for you yeah for you qualcomm's a good bet too but they're pretty frothy good bet too but they're pretty frothy good bet too but they're pretty frothy too yeah but qu but I feel but look too yeah but qu but I feel but look too yeah but qu but I feel but look Qualcomm is going into new markets and Qualcomm is going into new markets and Qualcomm is going into new markets and genuinely expanding their business from genuinely expanding their business from genuinely expanding their business from what they were you know Qualcomm was was what they were you know Qualcomm was was what they were you know Qualcomm was was Android phones sure and then it's cars Android phones sure and then it's cars Android phones sure and then it's cars and now it's PCS more legitimately and and now it's PCS more legitimately and and now it's PCS more legitimately and so I think Cristiano is doing a great so I think Cristiano is doing a great so I think Cristiano is doing a great job as you know at the helm of that ship job as you know at the helm of that ship job as you know at the helm of that ship well they've been trying to diversify well they've been trying to diversify well they've been trying to diversify for a long time I mean just to just to for a long time I mean just to just to for a long time I mean just to just to put reality check you know there's about put reality check you know there's about put reality check you know there's about 250 million PCS shipped every year so 250 million PCS shipped every year so 250 million PCS shipped every year so you know if they get 10% which would be you know if they get 10% which would be you know if they get 10% which would be a huge win that's 25 million units I a huge win that's 25 million units I a huge win that's 25 million units I mean it pretty pretty it pales in mean it pretty pretty it pales in mean it pretty pretty it pales in comparison to the phone market that they comparison to the phone market that they comparison to the phone market that they have right it's still going to be pretty have right it's still going to be pretty have right it's still going to be pretty small yeah the car to Cloud stuff the small yeah the car to Cloud stuff the small yeah the car to Cloud stuff the car to Cloud stuff they're doing is car to Cloud stuff they're doing is car to Cloud stuff they're doing is pretty fascinating so it is it is

pretty fascinating so it is it is pretty fascinating so it is it is although that's a pretty long lead cycle although that's a pretty long lead cycle although that's a pretty long lead cycle right to get into manufacturer cars right to get into manufacturer cars right to get into manufacturer cars being shipped you know a successful car being shipped you know a successful car being shipped you know a successful car is a couple hundred thousand units a is a couple hundred thousand units a is a couple hundred thousand units a year so just have to kind of put it in year so just have to kind of put it in year so just have to kind of put it in scale you know sort of like when people scale you know sort of like when people scale you know sort of like when people talk about Robotics and the humanoid talk about Robotics and the humanoid talk about Robotics and the humanoid robots you know that is not that's not robots you know that is not that's not robots you know that is not that's not even a million unit you know business even a million unit you know business even a million unit you know business until until until or something so so Pete Pete do you or something so so Pete Pete do you or something so so Pete Pete do you foresee in the future well when you buy foresee in the future well when you buy foresee in the future well when you buy a new car there might be a little logo a new car there might be a little logo a new car there might be a little logo somewhere it's like powered by somewhere it's like powered by somewhere it's like powered by Snapdragon or something like that maybe Snapdragon or something like that maybe Snapdragon or something like that maybe well I'm sure if I was Don Maguire well I'm sure if I was Don Maguire well I'm sure if I was Don Maguire that's what I would want I would that's what I would want I would that's what I would want I would definitely want the Snapdragon logo to definitely want the Snapdragon logo to definitely want the Snapdragon logo to come up when I started the come up when I started the come up when I started the engine pay extra for that but well but I engine pay extra for that but well but I engine pay extra for that but well but I mean why not I mean you know now that we mean why not I mean you know now that we mean why not I mean you know now that we know that cars built today have hundreds know that cars built today have hundreds know that cars built today have hundreds 100 200 whatever chips in them why not 100 200 whatever chips in them why not 100 200 whatever chips in them why not I'm sure Cristiano is like they should I'm sure Cristiano is like they should I'm sure Cristiano is like they should all be snapdragon all be snapdragon all be snapdragon yeah you you don't start the engine yeah you you don't start the engine yeah you you don't start the engine anymore it's well that's true yeah you anymore it's well that's true yeah you anymore it's well that's true yeah you just sit in the seat and start and hit just sit in the seat and start and hit just sit in the seat and start and hit the the the accelerator push the car and pop the accelerator push the car and pop the accelerator push the car and pop the clutch clutch clutch but but but you do need control you do but but but you do need control you do but but but you do need control you do need the you do need the logos because need the you do need the logos because need the you do need the logos because you my wife has a bolt and you never you my wife has a bolt and you never you my wife has a bolt and you never know that freaking thing is on or off know that freaking thing is on or off know that freaking thing is on or off it's extremely true yeah I drove a pole it's extremely true yeah I drove a pole it's extremely true yeah I drove a pole star recently and I couldn't tell yeah star recently and I couldn't tell yeah star recently and I couldn't tell yeah you is this on is this off I would just you is this on is this off I would just you is this on is this off I would just shift it into drive and see what happens shift it into drive and see what happens shift it into drive and see what happens you know because I couldn't tell is this you know because I couldn't tell is this you know because I couldn't tell is this like more recent iPhones like when you like more recent iPhones like when you like more recent iPhones like when you turn it off and it tells you well you

turn it off and it tells you well you turn it off and it tells you well you think you're turning it off Dave but think you're turning it off Dave but think you're turning it off Dave but actually it's still being tracked I'm actually it's still being tracked I'm actually it's still being tracked I'm still here well that's that's pretty still here well that's that's pretty still here well that's that's pretty much what you have is old my mind is much what you have is old my mind is much what you have is old my mind is going I can feel it I feel it death of going I can feel it I feel it death of going I can feel it I feel it death of the off button I think that's the that's the off button I think that's the that's the off button I think that's the that's the blog post the death I know but you the blog post the death I know but you the blog post the death I know but you know at Le how you can't use a new know at Le how you can't use a new know at Le how you can't use a new iPhone for a burner phone so sorry iPhone for a burner phone so sorry iPhone for a burner phone so sorry people who do that Rob what do you need people who do that Rob what do you need people who do that Rob what do you need burner phones burner phones burner phones for I mean you know just pull the for I mean you know just pull the for I mean you know just pull the battery out pull out that SIM card that battery out pull out that SIM card that battery out pull out that SIM card that whole eim thing screw up that but but whole eim thing screw up that but but whole eim thing screw up that but but more C see more and more those new and more C see more and more those new and more C see more and more those new and not only electric actually even the good not only electric actually even the good not only electric actually even the good old petrol start the engine car do have old petrol start the engine car do have old petrol start the engine car do have now connectivity to the Clow somewhere now connectivity to the Clow somewhere now connectivity to the Clow somewhere and you have no idea what they track you and you have no idea what they track you and you have no idea what they track you have no idea they probably track I mean have no idea they probably track I mean have no idea they probably track I mean Tessa was the first one to do do that Tessa was the first one to do do that Tessa was the first one to do do that where you are what the speed is there a where you are what the speed is there a where you are what the speed is there a bump on the suspension so they obviously bump on the suspension so they obviously bump on the suspension so they obviously all do that to sell you better car and all do that to sell you better car and all do that to sell you better car and better maintenance but imagine the better maintenance but imagine the better maintenance but imagine the amount of data they gather about your amount of data they gather about your amount of data they gather about your behavior sure sure I think there's some behavior sure sure I think there's some behavior sure sure I think there's some regulations on blackbox and things for regulations on blackbox and things for regulations on blackbox and things for like traffic accidents too aren't there like traffic accidents too aren't there like traffic accidents too aren't there some regulatory things going on state by some regulatory things going on state by some regulatory things going on state by state around you know retrieving kind of state around you know retrieving kind of state around you know retrieving kind of Crash data and stuff in case of accident Crash data and stuff in case of accident Crash data and stuff in case of accident so I think that's all inevitably going so I think that's all inevitably going so I think that's all inevitably going to happen come you as soon as you go to happen come you as soon as you go to happen come you as soon as you go over the speed limit very soon you get a over the speed limit very soon you get a over the speed limit very soon you get a fine and you know who this is going to happen and you know who this is going to happen to First oh I can tell you it's going to to First oh I can tell you it's going to to First oh I can tell you it's going to happen to Demitri and Leonard because happen to Demitri and Leonard because happen to Demitri and Leonard because they live in they live in they live in California

California California yeah yeah you know just like just like yeah yeah you know just like just like yeah yeah you know just like just like uh fuel tax you know that's how most uh fuel tax you know that's how most uh fuel tax you know that's how most people pay for everything is taxes on people pay for everything is taxes on people pay for everything is taxes on gasoline and now they're going to be gasoline and now they're going to be gasoline and now they're going to be tracking you based on mileage and tracking you based on mileage and tracking you based on mileage and they're going to have GPS in your car they're going to have GPS in your car they're going to have GPS in your car right yeah they're already test they're right yeah they're already test they're right yeah they're already test they're already testing it so it's not like this already testing it so it's not like this already testing it so it's not like this is a this might be a shocker to some is a this might be a shocker to some is a this might be a shocker to some people but they're doing it they've been people but they're doing it they've been people but they're doing it they've been testing it in Washington for a while but testing it in Washington for a while but testing it in Washington for a while but they've been doing toll based driving they've been doing toll based driving they've been doing toll based driving around the world for well but I mean around the world for well but I mean around the world for well but I mean they have a valid Pro they have a valid they have a valid Pro they have a valid they have a valid Pro they have a valid problem which is the fact that you know problem which is the fact that you know problem which is the fact that you know you still have to maintain roads with you still have to maintain roads with you still have to maintain roads with but with electric cars you don't get the but with electric cars you don't get the but with electric cars you don't get the tax on on fuel now they're going to take tax on on fuel now they're going to take tax on on fuel now they're going to take the opportunity to increase the level of the opportunity to increase the level of the opportunity to increase the level of tax because who reduces the well they tax because who reduces the well they tax because who reduces the well they adjust the registration fees right so adjust the registration fees right so adjust the registration fees right so the registration fees in Washington are the registration fees in Washington are the registration fees in Washington are through the roof on through the roof up through the roof on through the roof up through the roof on through the roof up here yeah crazy here yeah crazy here yeah crazy yeah get you one way or the other it's yeah get you one way or the other it's yeah get you one way or the other it's expensive for you're right for car is expensive for you're right for car is expensive for you're right for car is pretty expensive because it's it's a I pretty expensive because it's it's a I pretty expensive because it's it's a I mean the entry level car by wife the mean the entry level car by wife the mean the entry level car by wife the registration is registration is registration is awful yes your wife drives a bolt yeah awful yes your wife drives a bolt yeah awful yes your wife drives a bolt yeah you know I seem to remember back in the you know I seem to remember back in the you know I seem to remember back in the day people living in the valley um while day people living in the valley um while day people living in the valley um while they were waiting to get their Tesla they were waiting to get their Tesla they were waiting to get their Tesla that wasn't ready yet but they wanted to that wasn't ready yet but they wanted to that wasn't ready yet but they wanted to be able to get into the HOV lane on the be able to get into the HOV lane on the be able to get into the HOV lane on the 101 and the only way to do that is have 101 and the only way to do that is have 101 and the only way to do that is have an electric car and so many of them an electric car and so many of them an electric car and so many of them would say I will temporarily buy a bolt would say I will temporarily buy a bolt would say I will temporarily buy a bolt and then as soon as my Tesla is ready I and then as soon as my Tesla is ready I and then as soon as my Tesla is ready I will get rid of my bolt I Heard lots of

will get rid of my bolt I Heard lots of will get rid of my bolt I Heard lots of people say stuff like that but there was people say stuff like that but there was people say stuff like that but there was a lot of people buying Priuses because a lot of people buying Priuses because a lot of people buying Priuses because the hybrid Priuses were doing this as the hybrid Priuses were doing this as the hybrid Priuses were doing this as well so oh they would give you the allow well so oh they would give you the allow well so oh they would give you the allow you for Prius okay yeah for the hybrid you for Prius okay yeah for the hybrid you for Prius okay yeah for the hybrid cars as well you get the but yeah but cars as well you get the but yeah but cars as well you get the but yeah but but as you said bright California fixed but as you said bright California fixed but as you said bright California fixed the problem now there's no more HOV the problem now there's no more HOV the problem now there's no more HOV lanes you have a fast track Lanes where lanes you have a fast track Lanes where lanes you have a fast track Lanes where you can for so so it's funny to you is you can for so so it's funny to you is you can for so so it's funny to you is how much it defeats the purpose because how much it defeats the purpose because how much it defeats the purpose because I think it's a good idea to put H Lanes I think it's a good idea to put H Lanes I think it's a good idea to put H Lanes to in to incentivize people to purp to in to incentivize people to purp to in to incentivize people to purp maybe and maybe to get better cars you maybe and maybe to get better cars you maybe and maybe to get better cars you know like yeah but when you start saying know like yeah but when you start saying know like yeah but when you start saying you know what you can pay to bypass all you know what you can pay to bypass all you know what you can pay to bypass all that okay got got it we're back to capm that okay got got it we're back to capm that okay got got it we're back to capm yeah okay yeah jeez when did carpool yeah okay yeah jeez when did carpool yeah okay yeah jeez when did carpool just die off not just from home work just die off not just from home work just die off not just from home work from home from home from home yeah oh and also when everybody was yeah oh and also when everybody was yeah oh and also when everybody was worried about Co they didn't want to be worried about Co they didn't want to be worried about Co they didn't want to be in a car with someone in a car with someone in a car with someone else yeah else yeah else yeah germs ouch yeah no point0 so have you germs ouch yeah no point0 so have you germs ouch yeah no point0 so have you had any good meals or what tell me what had any good meals or what tell me what had any good meals or what tell me what exciting stuff's going on at Tai good exciting stuff's going on at Tai good exciting stuff's going on at Tai good stuff um yeah every starve for almost stuff um yeah every starve for almost stuff um yeah every starve for almost every single lunch just every single lunch just every single lunch just busy um yeah they I mean we went to a busy um yeah they I mean we went to a busy um yeah they I mean we went to a bunch of nice restaurants oddly bunch of nice restaurants oddly bunch of nice restaurants oddly um we ended up going to the 101 you know um we ended up going to the 101 you know um we ended up going to the 101 you know the tall ass taipe 101 Tai yeah taipe

the tall ass taipe 101 Tai yeah taipe the tall ass taipe 101 Tai yeah taipe 101 about 20 times it was like 101 about 20 times it was like 101 about 20 times it was like ridiculous so we we we know the ridiculous so we we we know the ridiculous so we we we know the cityscape quite well now so um yeah they cityscape quite well now so um yeah they cityscape quite well now so um yeah they have these like massive um buffets like have these like massive um buffets like have these like massive um buffets like that take an entire freaking floor right that take an entire freaking floor right that take an entire freaking floor right of that building awesome yeah and you of that building awesome yeah and you of that building awesome yeah and you walk around and they have everything walk around and they have everything walk around and they have everything that you can imagine really really good that you can imagine really really good that you can imagine really really good food and um and then of course there's food and um and then of course there's food and um and then of course there's restaurants everywhere I mean I'm restaurants everywhere I mean I'm restaurants everywhere I mean I'm actually pretty big fan of Taipei uh actually pretty big fan of Taipei uh actually pretty big fan of Taipei uh City so anybody who's um you know City so anybody who's um you know City so anybody who's um you know contemplating coming out to Asia and contemplating coming out to Asia and contemplating coming out to Asia and yeah wondering hey should I go and visit yeah wondering hey should I go and visit yeah wondering hey should I go and visit that tiny little island it's like yeah that tiny little island it's like yeah that tiny little island it's like yeah big time I mean it's really nice city um big time I mean it's really nice city um big time I mean it's really nice city um shopping's great it's just a little bit shopping's great it's just a little bit shopping's great it's just a little bit humid yeah so we're going to have our humid yeah so we're going to have our humid yeah so we're going to have our tin ml Summit in Asia in taipe in tin ml Summit in Asia in taipe in tin ml Summit in Asia in taipe in November so people yeah cool shout out November so people yeah cool shout out November so people yeah cool shout out state of thee art and EDI in taipe in state of thee art and EDI in taipe in state of thee art and EDI in taipe in November I'll be there well you know November I'll be there well you know November I'll be there well you know it's kind of the place and it yeah it's it's kind of the place and it yeah it's it's kind of the place and it yeah it's it's crazy how it's crazy how it's crazy how entrepreneurial the folks here are um entrepreneurial the folks here are um entrepreneurial the folks here are um but then also like how deep into Tech but then also like how deep into Tech but then also like how deep into Tech you know Electronics and Technology you you know Electronics and Technology you you know Electronics and Technology you know they're all I mean it's like the it know they're all I mean it's like the it know they're all I mean it's like the it is our electronic supply chain right is our electronic supply chain right is our electronic supply chain right everything kind of comes here and gets everything kind of comes here and gets everything kind of comes here and gets assembled shipped out around the world assembled shipped out around the world assembled shipped out around the world so you should go do a tour go do a tour

so you should go do a tour go do a tour so you should go do a tour go do a tour of like of like of like tsmc manufacturing plant you know or go tsmc manufacturing plant you know or go tsmc manufacturing plant you know or go see HTC's headquarters all these places see HTC's headquarters all these places see HTC's headquarters all these places that we know about or read about right that we know about or read about right that we know about or read about right yeah um no I want to come yeah um no I want to come yeah um no I want to come I've been here for like two weeks man I I've been here for like two weeks man I I've been here for like two weeks man I don't want to I don't want junk time don't want to I don't want junk time don't want to I don't want junk time yeah yeah next time next time I used to yeah yeah next time next time I used to yeah yeah next time next time I used to go to Taipei we had when I for Phoenix go to Taipei we had when I for Phoenix go to Taipei we had when I for Phoenix for the BIOS folks we had a a big office for the BIOS folks we had a a big office for the BIOS folks we had a a big office in Taipei and whenever I would go there in Taipei and whenever I would go there in Taipei and whenever I would go there the folks in the office they wanted to the folks in the office they wanted to the folks in the office they wanted to they would take me to they would take me to they would take me to TGIF the TGIF the TGIF the TG they were like well you you know TG they were like well you you know TG they were like well you you know you're from America so you're going to you're from America so you're going to you're from America so you're going to like this food I hated TGIF but I think like this food I hated TGIF but I think like this food I hated TGIF but I think I think secretly they love and they I think secretly they love and they I think secretly they love and they wanted an excuse to go there they that's wanted an excuse to go there they that's wanted an excuse to go there they that's exactly the point exactly the point exactly the point and I I did I used to travel a lot and I I did I used to travel a lot and I I did I used to travel a lot internationally as well and what I internationally as well and what I internationally as well and what I usually do when I go to a country say no usually do when I go to a country say no usually do when I go to a country say no don't try to get me to the hot new place don't try to get me to the hot new place don't try to get me to the hot new place that look like the country I come from that look like the country I come from that look like the country I come from get me to where you go on Friday night get me to where you go on Friday night get me to where you go on Friday night with your yeah I think they're going out of yeah I think they're going out of business by the way Red Lobster oh they business by the way Red Lobster oh they business by the way Red Lobster oh they they're being stripped for parts chapter they're being stripped for parts chapter they're being stripped for parts chapter 11 yeah who knew oh my gosh I know I 11 yeah who knew oh my gosh I know I 11 yeah who knew oh my gosh I know I think about all the places I should not think about all the places I should not think about all the places I should not have gone in China or Japan or whatever have gone in China or Japan or whatever have gone in China or Japan or whatever like Kentucky Fried Chicken Outback like Kentucky Fried Chicken Outback like Kentucky Fried Chicken Outback Steakhouse I've been to Chili's and qual Steakhouse I've been to Chili's and qual Steakhouse I've been to Chili's and qual lumur I've definitely been to TGI lumur I've definitely been to TGI lumur I've definitely been to TGI Fridays and shinagawa yeah yeah yeah

Fridays and shinagawa yeah yeah yeah Fridays and shinagawa yeah yeah yeah guilty no it's no bueno actually the one guilty no it's no bueno actually the one guilty no it's no bueno actually the one the you know back in the early the you know back in the early the you know back in the early 90s um when I was in South Korea we had 90s um when I was in South Korea we had 90s um when I was in South Korea we had to go all the way out all the way across to go all the way out all the way across to go all the way out all the way across Soul go to the only TGI of Soul go to the only TGI of Soul go to the only TGI of Fridays and man it was like it was like Fridays and man it was like it was like Fridays and man it was like it was like going to a a high-end restaurant at the going to a a high-end restaurant at the going to a a high-end restaurant at the time W that was like one of the few you time W that was like one of the few you time W that was like one of the few you know non know non know non McDonald's McDonald's McDonald's Western establishment yeah yeah I mean Western establishment yeah yeah I mean Western establishment yeah yeah I mean back then it was hard to get good um back then it was hard to get good um back then it was hard to get good um Western food I mean for most part you're Western food I mean for most part you're Western food I mean for most part you're just eating gimchi and freaking you know just eating gimchi and freaking you know just eating gimchi and freaking you know um Barbe Korean um Barbe Korean um Barbe Korean barbecue you just said the early 90s barbecue you just said the early 90s barbecue you just said the early 90s Leonard weren't you that weren't you a Leonard weren't you that weren't you a Leonard weren't you that weren't you a toddler in the early 90s Leonard at that toddler in the early 90s Leonard at that toddler in the early 90s Leonard at that time I'm trying to remember I mean we're time I'm trying to remember I mean we're time I'm trying to remember I mean we're all pretty young on this show here yeah all pretty young on this show here yeah all pretty young on this show here yeah the other by the way the other good tjis the other by the way the other good tjis the other by the way the other good tjis is in Newark airport so folks are is in Newark airport so folks are is in Newark airport so folks are really I've been to that one you been to really I've been to that one you been to really I've been to that one you been to that one yeah everyone's been to that that one yeah everyone's been to that that one yeah everyone's been to that one yeah one yeah one yeah so that's so funny yeah they have they so that's so funny yeah they have they so that's so funny yeah they have they have good food here I mean where's Wald have good food here I mean where's Wald have good food here I mean where's Wald clean City yeah and yeah lots of tech clean City yeah and yeah lots of tech clean City yeah and yeah lots of tech and um go buy an imate and um go buy an imate and um go buy an imate phone imate a jazz jar a jazz jar I'm phone imate a jazz jar a jazz jar I'm phone imate a jazz jar a jazz jar I'm sure you you can you can pretty much sure you you can you can pretty much sure you you can you can pretty much find anything here it's like you know

find anything here it's like you know find anything here it's like you know what was crazy so the first ex what was crazy so the first ex what was crazy so the first ex exhibition Hall that I went into man it exhibition Hall that I went into man it exhibition Hall that I went into man it was like nothing but freaking bands like was like nothing but freaking bands like was like nothing but freaking bands like these cooling units everywhere I mean these cooling units everywhere I mean these cooling units everywhere I mean can you imagine having like a whole can you imagine having like a whole can you imagine having like a whole exhibition hall or at least half of a exhibition hall or at least half of a exhibition hall or at least half of a large exhibition Hall where there's like large exhibition Hall where there's like large exhibition Hall where there's like nothing but freaking fans you know it's nothing but freaking fans you know it's nothing but freaking fans you know it's the it's the equivalent so weird it's the it's the equivalent so weird it's the it's the equivalent so weird it's the equivalent of the phone cases at at the equivalent of the phone cases at at the equivalent of the phone cases at at at phone conference you have the AI at phone conference you have the AI at phone conference you have the AI chips and the fan the phone cases yeah chips and the fan the phone cases yeah chips and the fan the phone cases yeah yeah the yeah the yeah the analy and the fidget spers back in the analy and the fidget spers back in the analy and the fidget spers back in the fidget Spinners yeah so maybe there's a fidget Spinners yeah so maybe there's a fidget Spinners yeah so maybe there's a business of customize fans for you AI business of customize fans for you AI business of customize fans for you AI data center Brands yeah but it it was data center Brands yeah but it it was data center Brands yeah but it it was like stepping into like a Fries like stepping into like a Fries like stepping into like a Fries electronics you know that whole do your electronics you know that whole do your electronics you know that whole do your build your own computer build your own computer build your own computer section it was like stepping in there um section it was like stepping in there um section it was like stepping in there um I mean it's crazy and then so many so I mean it's crazy and then so many so I mean it's crazy and then so many so many Server Chassis for h100s and h20s many Server Chassis for h100s and h20s many Server Chassis for h100s and h20s and everyone getting ready for the block and everyone getting ready for the block and everyone getting ready for the block you know the you know the you know the Blackwell NV 72s geez you know they Blackwell NV 72s geez you know they Blackwell NV 72s geez you know they really got to shorten that freaking name really got to shorten that freaking name really got to shorten that freaking name for that that system yeah h200 for that that system yeah h200 for that that system yeah h200 nvl nvl nvl 72 Second Edition that's that's like too 72 Second Edition that's that's like too 72 Second Edition that's that's like too damn damn damn long yeah yeah

long yeah yeah long yeah yeah I'll yeah you know it's it's crazy I'll yeah you know it's it's crazy I'll yeah you know it's it's crazy everybody here is like I mean you walk everybody here is like I mean you walk everybody here is like I mean you walk around and you see Jensen's signature around and you see Jensen's signature around and you see Jensen's signature everywhere goes hey go for it let's go everywhere goes hey go for it let's go everywhere goes hey go for it let's go blah blah blah it's like Jensen Wong and blah blah blah it's like Jensen Wong and blah blah blah it's like Jensen Wong and everyone's like inbombing it or en everyone's like inbombing it or en everyone's like inbombing it or en casing it in like whatever to preserve casing it in like whatever to preserve casing it in like whatever to preserve it he's a rockar duration of the oh yeah it he's a rockar duration of the oh yeah it he's a rockar duration of the oh yeah yeah no no no it's like especially in yeah no no no it's like especially in yeah no no no it's like especially in Taiwan you gota be kidding me yeah Taiwan you gota be kidding me yeah Taiwan you gota be kidding me yeah especially at Denny's he can't pay for a especially at Denny's he can't pay for a especially at Denny's he can't pay for a meal at Denny's I meal at Denny's I meal at Denny's I mean yeah here's that stack of pancakes mean yeah here's that stack of pancakes mean yeah here's that stack of pancakes for you Jensen on apparently there is a fruit lady at one apparently there is a fruit lady at one of the night markets that he he really of the night markets that he he really of the night markets that he he really fancies and uh he was pumping that fancies and uh he was pumping that fancies and uh he was pumping that particular establishment up quite a bit particular establishment up quite a bit particular establishment up quite a bit during his keynote so that was pretty during his keynote so that was pretty during his keynote so that was pretty funny nice I don't know you should or at least you go and know you should or at least you go and yeah see if you can uh you can uh you yeah see if you can uh you can uh you yeah see if you can uh you can uh you know buy shares in her stand there you know buy shares in her stand there you know buy shares in her stand there you go but um yeah um but yeah you know go but um yeah um but yeah you know go but um yeah um but yeah you know uh there is it's weird because you know uh there is it's weird because you know uh there is it's weird because you know like when you go like when you go like when you go to a Intel or you know um to a Intel or you know um to a Intel or you know um conference um you know any of these conference um you know any of these conference um you know any of these events I mean there there's you know events I mean there there's you know events I mean there there's you know that whole chip sack thing and that whole chip sack thing and that whole chip sack thing and everyone's gung-ho USA USA here man it's

everyone's gung-ho USA USA here man it's everyone's gung-ho USA USA here man it's like it's weird to see like Jensen and like it's weird to see like Jensen and like it's weird to see like Jensen and you know guys at Super Micro and tsmc you know guys at Super Micro and tsmc you know guys at Super Micro and tsmc Etc and um yeah they're pretty Etc and um yeah they're pretty Etc and um yeah they're pretty nationalistic about all this chip stuff nationalistic about all this chip stuff nationalistic about all this chip stuff do you know what I'm saying um yeah yeah do you know what I'm saying um yeah yeah do you know what I'm saying um yeah yeah and you know obviously you know they're and you know obviously you know they're and you know obviously you know they're very proud of the uh you know the the very proud of the uh you know the the very proud of the uh you know the the Taiwanese companies that are actually at Taiwanese companies that are actually at Taiwanese companies that are actually at the epicenter of a lot of this AC the epicenter of a lot of this AC the epicenter of a lot of this AC and yeah well you know Media Tech and um and yeah well you know Media Tech and um and yeah well you know Media Tech and um yeah you know Nvidia is not really a yeah you know Nvidia is not really a yeah you know Nvidia is not really a time that's a freaking American company time that's a freaking American company time that's a freaking American company but you know jenson's Taiwan he's but you know jenson's Taiwan he's but you know jenson's Taiwan he's American so they treat him like a and American so they treat him like a and American so they treat him like a and they use but don't they use tsmc to make they use but don't they use tsmc to make they use but don't they use tsmc to make their their their yeah is Medi Tech making any news there yeah is Medi Tech making any news there yeah is Medi Tech making any news there by the way speaking of mediate Tech I by the way speaking of mediate Tech I by the way speaking of mediate Tech I mean I know they mean I know they mean I know they yeah yeah they well yeah other than you yeah yeah they well yeah other than you yeah yeah they well yeah other than you know Jensen and um Renee HW getting up know Jensen and um Renee HW getting up know Jensen and um Renee HW getting up on stage and on stage and on stage and you know saying almost nothing you know saying almost nothing you know saying almost nothing um except you know that they cook for um except you know that they cook for um except you know that they cook for each other the each other the each other the um yeah yeah I mean I thought like some um yeah yeah I mean I thought like some um yeah yeah I mean I thought like some of the the Partnerships that they're of the the Partnerships that they're of the the Partnerships that they're doing on the server side of things so doing on the server side of things so doing on the server side of things so you know it looks like um uh mediatech you know it looks like um uh mediatech you know it looks like um uh mediatech is kind of doubling down on you know uh is kind of doubling down on you know uh is kind of doubling down on you know uh getting getting getting into uh basically AI generative AI HPC I

into uh basically AI generative AI HPC I into uh basically AI generative AI HPC I think I've got mediate Tech chip in this think I've got mediate Tech chip in this think I've got mediate Tech chip in this motola phone that's the one where they motola phone that's the one where they motola phone that's the one where they going to scale it out man yeah they got going to scale it out man yeah they got going to scale it out man yeah they got a ton of market share in phone space you a ton of market share in phone space you a ton of market share in phone space you know kind of pushing Qualcomm a bit so know kind of pushing Qualcomm a bit so know kind of pushing Qualcomm a bit so I'm curious to see how mediate Tech's I'm curious to see how mediate Tech's I'm curious to see how mediate Tech's going to diversify beyond the phones too going to diversify beyond the phones too going to diversify beyond the phones too got high horsepower silicon too I mean got high horsepower silicon too I mean got high horsepower silicon too I mean it's pretty and well that's a good it's pretty and well that's a good it's pretty and well that's a good question I'm curious about Pete is question I'm curious about Pete is question I'm curious about Pete is highend silicon because typically in the highend silicon because typically in the highend silicon because typically in the past at least the lower end lower cost past at least the lower end lower cost past at least the lower end lower cost Android phones would use media Tech and Android phones would use media Tech and Android phones would use media Tech and the high-end ones would use Qualcomm the high-end ones would use Qualcomm the high-end ones would use Qualcomm even though you know and so is mediate even though you know and so is mediate even though you know and so is mediate Tech getting some horsepower going they Tech getting some horsepower going they Tech getting some horsepower going they are they some of the newer chips they are they some of the newer chips they are they some of the newer chips they have quite quite powerful okay and they have quite quite powerful okay and they have quite quite powerful okay and they were in Chromebooks for a long time too were in Chromebooks for a long time too were in Chromebooks for a long time too I don't know if they still are in I don't know if they still are in I don't know if they still are in Chromebooks I'm sure they want to make a Chromebooks I'm sure they want to make a Chromebooks I'm sure they want to make a play for the co-pilot plus Junior play for the co-pilot plus Junior play for the co-pilot plus Junior professional Edition professional Edition professional Edition skew yeah and um my small talk app is skew yeah and um my small talk app is skew yeah and um my small talk app is going to run like the wind on this right going to run like the wind on this right going to run like the wind on this right yeah I love talk you had to go there I yeah I love talk you had to go there I yeah I love talk you had to go there I had to go there when you talk about had to go there when you talk about had to go there when you talk about performance you say small talk me and performance you say small talk me and performance you say small talk me and grd B like this you and gr grd B like this you and gr grd B like this you and gr buddy oh hey Mark what's going on buddy oh hey Mark what's going on buddy oh hey Mark what's going on man oh Mark's on hey everything is doing man oh Mark's on hey everything is doing man oh Mark's on hey everything is doing well here excellent I'm G be confused well here excellent I'm G be confused well here excellent I'm G be confused that EMB D North America and mobile W that EMB D North America and mobile W that EMB D North America and mobile W Congress Las Vegas are the same dates Congress Las Vegas are the same dates Congress Las Vegas are the same dates exactly so is there an explanation it's exactly so is there an explanation it's exactly so is there an explanation it's a target audience completely different a target audience completely different a target audience completely different that's weird some people don't do that's weird some people don't do that's weird some people don't do research to see who's answer at the same

research to see who's answer at the same research to see who's answer at the same time I think embeded world embedded time I think embeded world embedded time I think embeded world embedded world's in Austin right and mwc is in world's in Austin right and mwc is in world's in Austin right and mwc is in Vegas right yeah let me give you an Vegas right yeah let me give you an Vegas right yeah let me give you an example from this week you may not know example from this week you may not know example from this week you may not know it but sap Sapphire is happening this it but sap Sapphire is happening this it but sap Sapphire is happening this week in Orlando like they do every year week in Orlando like they do every year week in Orlando like they do every year but you would never know it because but you would never know it because but you would never know it because computex on is just dominating the media computex on is just dominating the media computex on is just dominating the media and the attention which it has always and the attention which it has always and the attention which it has always dominated in the past no but people are dominated in the past no but people are dominated in the past no but people are so amped up about silicon right now now so amped up about silicon right now now so amped up about silicon right now now and sap might I don't even know and sap might I don't even know and sap might I don't even know anybody's saying anything about it the anybody's saying anything about it the anybody's saying anything about it the only reason I know anything is I've got only reason I know anything is I've got only reason I know anything is I've got some friends who are at it and they're some friends who are at it and they're some friends who are at it and they're just like yeah same old same just like yeah same old same just like yeah same old same old yeah well embedded World choose old yeah well embedded World choose old yeah well embedded World choose right decisions decisions well embedded right decisions decisions well embedded right decisions decisions well embedded worlds interesting because you know it worlds interesting because you know it worlds interesting because you know it was started by the con the nurburg was started by the con the nurburg was started by the con the nurburg convention Bureau they actually own convention Bureau they actually own convention Bureau they actually own embedded world so they they created a embedded world so they they created a embedded world so they they created a show for their Convention Center called show for their Convention Center called show for their Convention Center called Ed and so now they spun that out and now Ed and so now they spun that out and now Ed and so now they spun that out and now they're going to do one in a actually they're going to do one in a actually they're going to do one in a actually tiny ml will be there by the way uh but tiny ml will be there by the way uh but tiny ml will be there by the way uh but um they spun it out to do its own kind um they spun it out to do its own kind um they spun it out to do its own kind of company called for embedded world and of company called for embedded world and of company called for embedded world and they're doing one in Austin next year they're doing one in Austin next year they're doing one in Austin next year but yeah it's the same T same time as but yeah it's the same T same time as but yeah it's the same T same time as mwc and Vegas so you'll need to choose mwc and Vegas so you'll need to choose mwc and Vegas so you'll need to choose and Choose Wisely oh yeah Austin or and Choose Wisely oh yeah Austin or and Choose Wisely oh yeah Austin or Vegas I'm going with Austin I think I'm Vegas I'm going with Austin I think I'm Vegas I'm going with Austin I think I'm gonna have to spin up another gonna have to spin up another gonna have to spin up another organization to compete against Pete I'm organization to compete against Pete I'm organization to compete against Pete I'm going to call it medium ml going to call it medium ml going to call it medium ml medium yeah kind of like warm water not medium yeah kind of like warm water not medium yeah kind of like warm water not hot not cold yeah not I I will do giant

hot not cold yeah not I I will do giant hot not cold yeah not I I will do giant ml you will do giant ml giant ml you are ml you will do giant ml giant ml you are ml you will do giant ml giant ml you are the face of giant ml oh you could go the face of giant ml oh you could go the face of giant ml oh you could go Ultra tiny you yeah Ultra tiny Ultra tiny you yeah Ultra tiny Ultra tiny you yeah Ultra tiny microscopic microscopic microscopic minuscule oh my gosh minuscule ml is minuscule oh my gosh minuscule ml is minuscule oh my gosh minuscule ml is good for good for good for marketing by the way speaking of events marketing by the way speaking of events marketing by the way speaking of events uh Rob and I had a little a premiere of uh Rob and I had a little a premiere of uh Rob and I had a little a premiere of our episode two yesterday so a little our episode two yesterday so a little our episode two yesterday so a little pitch for episode two Windows phone WTF pitch for episode two Windows phone WTF pitch for episode two Windows phone WTF we had episode two live streamed on we had episode two live streamed on we had episode two live streamed on LinkedIn exciting oh really episode 3 is LinkedIn exciting oh really episode 3 is LinkedIn exciting oh really episode 3 is coming in a couple of weeks so yeah it coming in a couple of weeks so yeah it coming in a couple of weeks so yeah it was a good episode it was a good one it was a good episode it was a good one it was a good episode it was a good one it was fun yeah it was very meaty you got a was fun yeah it was very meaty you got a was fun yeah it was very meaty you got a lot of behind the scenes and what was lot of behind the scenes and what was lot of behind the scenes and what was really going on at that time frame really going on at that time frame really going on at that time frame because you had a lot of people on there because you had a lot of people on there because you had a lot of people on there um yeah it was a Roundtable developer um yeah it was a Roundtable developer um yeah it was a Roundtable developer discussion so and what's great is also discussion so and what's great is also discussion so and what's great is also doing a LinkedIn is you got all the doing a LinkedIn is you got all the doing a LinkedIn is you got all the comments people coming in there and so comments people coming in there and so comments people coming in there and so interacting with the folks who are interacting with the folks who are interacting with the folks who are watching yeah real time comments watching yeah real time comments watching yeah real time comments reminiscing and we had some cool so ND reminiscing and we had some cool so ND reminiscing and we had some cool so ND are not in place anymore so you can talk are not in place anymore so you can talk are not in place anymore so you can talk openly about everything or ndas are openly about everything or ndas are openly about everything or ndas are still I need to check Tour on that one still I need to check Tour on that one still I need to check Tour on that one yeah yeah hopefully we're not saying yeah yeah hopefully we're not saying yeah yeah hopefully we're not saying anything that's gonna get us into anything that's gonna get us into anything that's gonna get us into trouble I don't think trouble I don't think trouble I don't think soone and stuff you know andd makes soone and stuff you know andd makes soone and stuff you know andd makes sense about things that have been sense about things that have been sense about things that have been successful oh look at that quot boom successful oh look at that quot boom successful oh look at that quot boom there you go wow there you go wow there you go wow I know I made Microsoft usually like 10 I know I made Microsoft usually like 10 I know I made Microsoft usually like 10 years also there's usually a 10 year

years also there's usually a 10 year years also there's usually a 10 year lifetime yes hopefully we're past the lifetime yes hopefully we're past the lifetime yes hopefully we're past the limitations there statute limitations there statute limitations there statute limitations oh my gosh when the project limitations oh my gosh when the project limitations oh my gosh when the project started 10 years ago started 10 years ago started 10 years ago 20 before right phone I mean Windows 20 before right phone I mean Windows 20 before right phone I mean Windows mobile started in uh early 2000s yeah 20 mobile started in uh early 2000s yeah 20 mobile started in uh early 2000s yeah 20 years ago so so yeah we kind of started years ago so so yeah we kind of started years ago so so yeah we kind of started with C which came right after Windows 95 with C which came right after Windows 95 with C which came right after Windows 95 like back in 96 I guess yeah 96 97 yeah like back in 96 I guess yeah 96 97 yeah like back in 96 I guess yeah 96 97 yeah you had you had you had those well I know you've got some Pete those well I know you've got some Pete those well I know you've got some Pete you know cop yeah exactly like a they you know cop yeah exactly like a they you know cop yeah exactly like a they look like a mini laptop and the UI even look like a mini laptop and the UI even look like a mini laptop and the UI even looked like a miniature version of looked like a miniature version of looked like a miniature version of Windows Windows Windows 95 um except it just didn't you know it 95 um except it just didn't you know it 95 um except it just didn't you know it was 32bit didn't use as much what I use was 32bit didn't use as much what I use was 32bit didn't use as much what I use on a daily basis now I still oh my on a daily basis now I still oh my on a daily basis now I still oh my God that's a small I have an hp1 God that's a small I have an hp1 God that's a small I have an hp1 somewhere of course that's more what I somewhere of course that's more what I somewhere of course that's more what I have so you know Pete I've mentioned to have so you know Pete I've mentioned to have so you know Pete I've mentioned to you before some kind of battle that you before some kind of battle that you before some kind of battle that happened in the 90s um with that happened in the 90s um with that happened in the 90s um with that involved Microsoft and involved IBM with involved Microsoft and involved IBM with involved Microsoft and involved IBM with os2 and here is the book this like the os2 and here is the book this like the os2 and here is the book this like the first startup book I've ever read in my first startup book I've ever read in my first startup book I've ever read in my life and it came out in the early 90s life and it came out in the early 90s life and it came out in the early 90s and it's called startup it was about the and it's called startup it was about the and it's called startup it was about the go Corporation and these guys and this go Corporation and these guys and this go Corporation and these guys and this is the first time you're introduced to is the first time you're introduced to is the first time you're introduced to people like John door and all the people people like John door and all the people people like John door and all the people in the valley and all the in the valley and all the in the valley and all the VCS and it's such a great story I love

VCS and it's such a great story I love VCS and it's such a great story I love how it starts when the guy literally how it starts when the guy literally how it starts when the guy literally remember when you used to keep carry remember when you used to keep carry remember when you used to keep carry like a leather portfolio folder like if like a leather portfolio folder like if like a leather portfolio folder like if you're going on an interview or you had you're going on an interview or you had you're going on an interview or you had this yeah and so the guy walks in you this yeah and so the guy walks in you this yeah and so the guy walks in you know to Kleiner Perkins and just drops know to Kleiner Perkins and just drops know to Kleiner Perkins and just drops his portfolio on the middle of the desk his portfolio on the middle of the desk his portfolio on the middle of the desk on the conference room and said this is on the conference room and said this is on the conference room and said this is the future of computing this is a a the future of computing this is a a the future of computing this is a a tablet computer that's all he had and tablet computer that's all he had and tablet computer that's all he had and they wow g a few million or whatever and they wow g a few million or whatever and they wow g a few million or whatever and they started the go Corporation and they they started the go Corporation and they they started the go Corporation and they built this object-oriented operating built this object-oriented operating built this object-oriented operating system it was pen enabled it had system it was pen enabled it had system it was pen enabled it had handwriting recognition pen OS this is handwriting recognition pen OS this is handwriting recognition pen OS this is all in the early 90s but then they also all in the early 90s but then they also all in the early 90s but then they also talk about how they were getting screwed talk about how they were getting screwed talk about how they were getting screwed over by IBM and Microsoft they're like over by IBM and Microsoft they're like over by IBM and Microsoft they're like we have an NDA there's a it's a rough we have an NDA there's a it's a rough we have an NDA there's a it's a rough it's a rough book to read I read it it's a rough book to read I read it it's a rough book to read I read it right when I left IBM and and did my right when I left IBM and and did my right when I left IBM and and did my first startup and it was it was great first startup and it was it was great first startup and it was it was great because it was inspiring but it also was because it was inspiring but it also was because it was inspiring but it also was not a good ending no it's not a good not a good ending no it's not a good not a good ending no it's not a good ending company well disrupting the ending company well disrupting the ending company well disrupting the status quo when there's a lot of money status quo when there's a lot of money status quo when there's a lot of money at stake is a difficult uh business and at stake is a difficult uh business and at stake is a difficult uh business and the inspiring the people at Microsoft the inspiring the people at Microsoft the inspiring the people at Microsoft and IBM was smiling faces as they and IBM was smiling faces as they and IBM was smiling faces as they reached around with the knife into the reached around with the knife into the reached around with the knife into the backs of these poor guys who are true backs of these poor guys who are true backs of these poor guys who are true innovators um and you're right and so innovators um and you're right and so innovators um and you're right and so there was an os2 version of what they there was an os2 version of what they there was an os2 version of what they had there was a Windows had there was a Windows had there was a Windows pen whatever thingy at the time yes and pen whatever thingy at the time yes and pen whatever thingy at the time yes and I remember distinctly in fact my wife I remember distinctly in fact my wife I remember distinctly in fact my wife was friends with she went to Stanford

was friends with she went to Stanford was friends with she went to Stanford with one of the guys who's in the book with one of the guys who's in the book with one of the guys who's in the book from Microsoft and there's like no from Microsoft and there's like no from Microsoft and there's like no there's a Chinese wall between what there's a Chinese wall between what there's a Chinese wall between what you're doing and Microsoft we would you're doing and Microsoft we would you're doing and Microsoft we would never take that technology never take that technology never take that technology yeah right right oh my gosh it's by big it's by big corporations well Technologies get corporations well Technologies get corporations well Technologies get stolen probably more stolen probably more stolen probably more uh and then Acquisitions happen to kill uh and then Acquisitions happen to kill uh and then Acquisitions happen to kill competitors we know about that um and competitors we know about that um and competitors we know about that um and there's also that notion of big there's also that notion of big there's also that notion of big companies like IBM and Microsoft we've companies like IBM and Microsoft we've companies like IBM and Microsoft we've got lawyers that we can keep you tied up got lawyers that we can keep you tied up got lawyers that we can keep you tied up in the courts for years and your little in the courts for years and your little in the courts for years and your little tiny company will go bankr trying to tiny company will go bankr trying to tiny company will go bankr trying to defend your your patents or your defend your your patents or your defend your your patents or your whatever you know your intellectual whatever you know your intellectual whatever you know your intellectual property big companies aren't they're property big companies aren't they're property big companies aren't they're not nice they're not nice they're not not nice they're not nice they're not not nice they're not nice they're not nice to work and that's part of the nice to work and that's part of the nice to work and that's part of the that's part of the thrill of of that's part of the thrill of of that's part of the thrill of of disruption but you got to you got to disruption but you got to you got to disruption but you got to you got to avoid being squashed and that's that's avoid being squashed and that's that's avoid being squashed and that's that's tricky sometimes true you're living that tricky sometimes true you're living that tricky sometimes true you're living that life Eric yeah yeah I'm still I'm still life Eric yeah yeah I'm still I'm still life Eric yeah yeah I'm still I'm still standing but I've got some there go got standing but I've got some there go got standing but I've got some there go got some wound got some got some scars to some wound got some got some scars to some wound got some got some scars to show you guys know what this is I mean show you guys know what this is I mean show you guys know what this is I mean which one that is q no this is an Atari which one that is q no this is an Atari which one that is q no this is an Atari it runs MS DOS ohari portfolio is that it runs MS DOS ohari portfolio is that it runs MS DOS ohari portfolio is that what it's called yeah of course wow when what it's called yeah of course wow when what it's called yeah of course wow when what year did that come out do you know what year did that come out do you know what year did that come out do you know 90 something I mean 92 yeah designed by 90 something I mean 92 yeah designed by 90 something I mean 92 yeah designed by a British company called dip by the way

a British company called dip by the way a British company called dip by the way can you play Adventure on it no wow uh can you play Adventure on it no wow uh can you play Adventure on it no wow uh you probably probably actually I never you probably probably actually I never you probably probably actually I never found you play zor on there I'm building found you play zor on there I'm building found you play zor on there I'm building I'm building a PDP 11 replica with the I'm building a PDP 11 replica with the I'm building a PDP 11 replica with the objective of Advent Adventure on it so objective of Advent Adventure on it so objective of Advent Adventure on it so and to all our all our fans out there do and to all our all our fans out there do and to all our all our fans out there do you know who else tried to build a you know who else tried to build a you know who else tried to build a replica of the PDP replica of the PDP replica of the PDP and changed the world Jensen Wong it and changed the world Jensen Wong it and changed the world Jensen Wong it wasn't Jensen it wasn't Paul Allen it wasn't Jensen it wasn't Paul Allen it wasn't Jensen it wasn't Paul Allen it was a Steve and it wasn't Steve Jobs it was a Steve and it wasn't Steve Jobs it was a Steve and it wasn't Steve Jobs it was was was Steve Steve Steve wncn because he's such a nerd and he was wncn because he's such a nerd and he was wncn because he's such a nerd and he was trying to recreate what a pdp11 would do trying to recreate what a pdp11 would do trying to recreate what a pdp11 would do on a piece of plywood he accidentally on a piece of plywood he accidentally on a piece of plywood he accidentally created the Apple created the Apple created the Apple One oops oops well you know you you go One oops oops well you know you you go One oops oops well you know you you go well actually I can do what that doing well actually I can do what that doing well actually I can do what that doing just this small it was like you know just this small it was like you know just this small it was like you know this whole micronization you know study this whole micronization you know study this whole micronization you know study and figuring out that I don't need a and figuring out that I don't need a and figuring out that I don't need a refrigerator size computer I can refrigerator size computer I can refrigerator size computer I can actually do it here on this piece small actually do it here on this piece small actually do it here on this piece small is the new Big Small is the new big long is the new Big Small is the new big long is the new Big Small is the new big long live the Nerds love was yeah was is live the Nerds love was yeah was is live the Nerds love was yeah was is great long live the Nerds and and yeah great long live the Nerds and and yeah great long live the Nerds and and yeah you know this tiny stuff is really you know this tiny stuff is really you know this tiny stuff is really hot yeah tiny stuff tiny so hot right hot yeah tiny stuff tiny so hot right hot yeah tiny stuff tiny so hot right now now now yeah oh my gosh literally The yeah oh my gosh literally The yeah oh my gosh literally The Thermals can go and get insane right Thermals can go and get insane right Thermals can go and get insane right yeah insane in the

membrane it's gonna be it's gonna be a membrane it's gonna be it's gonna be a crazy Year yes it will be interesting crazy Year yes it will be interesting crazy Year yes it will be interesting Leonard you seem to be in the eye of the Leonard you seem to be in the eye of the Leonard you seem to be in the eye of the storm over there so enjoy enjoy running is it's running it's still running is it's running it's still running is it's running it's still running oh my god wow so everyone else running oh my god wow so everyone else running oh my god wow so everyone else knows who was an employee of Atari at knows who was an employee of Atari at knows who was an employee of Atari at one time that would be the other Steve one time that would be the other Steve one time that would be the other Steve Steve Steve Steve Jobs and he created breakout yes he did Jobs and he created breakout yes he did Jobs and he created breakout yes he did kind of like pong and he would be he's kind of like pong and he would be he's kind of like pong and he would be he's probably rolling over in the grave right probably rolling over in the grave right probably rolling over in the grave right now he's looking down on Demitri and now he's looking down on Demitri and now he's looking down on Demitri and he's like are you telling me there's he's like are you telling me there's he's like are you telling me there's freaking Doss running on an Atari freaking Doss running on an Atari freaking Doss running on an Atari computer are you insane I would never computer are you insane I would never computer are you insane I would never let that happen those heathens from let that happen those heathens from let that happen those heathens from Redmond that have no taste actually the Redmond that have no taste actually the Redmond that have no taste actually the Atari portfolio made a cameo in The Atari portfolio made a cameo in The Atari portfolio made a cameo in The Terminator movie if you remember the Terminator movie if you remember the Terminator movie if you remember the young uh the young guy who was supposed young uh the young guy who was supposed young uh the young guy who was supposed to be saved he he used it to hack into a to be saved he he used it to hack into a to be saved he he used it to hack into a bank machine remember that pfio let's bank machine remember that pfio let's bank machine remember that pfio let's just get wired just get wired just get wired in cable I do run a do box on my Mac M1 in cable I do run a do box on my Mac M1 in cable I do run a do box on my Mac M1 so this is not good either I you know so this is not good either I you know so this is not good either I you know what I will admit I run dosbox as well what I will admit I run dosbox as well what I will admit I run dosbox as well because I still love all the video games because I still love all the video games because I still love all the video games from from from Doss yeah you know like wolf wolf 3D you Doss yeah you know like wolf wolf 3D you Doss yeah you know like wolf wolf 3D you know you want to play Wolfenstein or all know you want to play Wolfenstein or all know you want to play Wolfenstein or all those cool games all these submarine those cool games all these submarine those cool games all these submarine simulators that I used to play while I simulators that I used to play while I simulators that I used to play while I was on the was on the was on the submarine um which is weird it's like a submarine um which is weird it's like a submarine um which is weird it's like a Dream Within A Dream an Inception yeah Dream Within A Dream an Inception yeah Dream Within A Dream an Inception yeah and so but they're all for dos and Eric

and so but they're all for dos and Eric and so but they're all for dos and Eric would love this Eric would love this would love this Eric would love this would love this Eric would love this because who made the best Doss in the because who made the best Doss in the because who made the best Doss in the world oh it was os2 that in each dos box world oh it was os2 that in each dos box world oh it was os2 that in each dos box in in in os2 os2 could run up to 256 Doss virtual os2 os2 could run up to 256 Doss virtual os2 os2 could run up to 256 Doss virtual machines simultaneously and you have machines simultaneously and you have machines simultaneously and you have like 30 to 50 independent configurations like 30 to 50 independent configurations like 30 to 50 independent configurations you could do to individual Doss uh boxes you could do to individual Doss uh boxes you could do to individual Doss uh boxes better Doss than dos right better Doss than dos right better Doss than dos right yeah and so they had all the cheat yeah and so they had all the cheat yeah and so they had all the cheat sheets for the Doss video games to to sheets for the Doss video games to to sheets for the Doss video games to to tune it to make sure it worked great on tune it to make sure it worked great on tune it to make sure it worked great on os2 um I just bought one of those os2 um I just bought one of those os2 um I just bought one of those handheld Video Game Machines RG so I just bought one and I've been RG so I just bought one and I've been tinkering with it all week it's a black tinkering with it all week it's a black tinkering with it all week it's a black you play all every game from way back you play all every game from way back you play all every game from way back when yeah is that the r or RGH hxx I when yeah is that the r or RGH hxx I when yeah is that the r or RGH hxx I forget the RG XX someone out there will forget the RG XX someone out there will forget the RG XX someone out there will will know but it's it's been fascinating will know but it's it's been fascinating will know but it's it's been fascinating because it's it's it's a retro thing you because it's it's it's a retro thing you because it's it's it's a retro thing you can go play Game Boy golf right just old can go play Game Boy golf right just old can go play Game Boy golf right just old school you can play zor right is Zork school you can play zor right is Zork school you can play zor right is Zork Zork do you think one day that we should Zork do you think one day that we should Zork do you think one day that we should like while we're filming we should all like while we're filming we should all like while we're filming we should all be playing zorc or or or Adventure you be playing zorc or or or Adventure you be playing zorc or or or Adventure you know should you should see my screen know should you should see my screen know should you should see my screen saber it's Ultima four by Richard gar oh saber it's Ultima four by Richard gar oh saber it's Ultima four by Richard gar oh no way Richard lives in Austin now and no way Richard lives in Austin now and no way Richard lives in Austin now and I've got to meet him a few times pretty I've got to meet him a few times pretty I've got to meet him a few times pretty fascinating guy so yeah well you my fascinating guy so yeah well you my fascinating guy so yeah well you my favorite there's a missing feature in in favorite there's a missing feature in in favorite there's a missing feature in in Zoom because we cannot share multiple

Zoom because we cannot share multiple Zoom because we cannot share multiple screen because otherwise we could share screen because otherwise we could share screen because otherwise we could share all our screen and be playing at the all our screen and be playing at the all our screen and be playing at the same time that would be maybe we should same time that would be maybe we should same time that would be maybe we should build a competing startup to zoom where build a competing startup to zoom where build a competing startup to zoom where you could do that where each person can you could do that where each person can you could do that where each person can share their screen p Zoom tiny Zoom share their screen p Zoom tiny Zoom share their screen p Zoom tiny Zoom there you go tiny Zoom if we had some there you go tiny Zoom if we had some there you go tiny Zoom if we had some kind of ml technology that could fit in kind of ml technology that could fit in kind of ml technology that could fit in tiny little boxes this is called Discord tiny little boxes this is called Discord tiny little boxes this is called Discord right right right well not yeah kind of because it's well not yeah kind of because it's well not yeah kind of because it's really The Voice channel on Discord when really The Voice channel on Discord when really The Voice channel on Discord when you play and and it's in interface with you play and and it's in interface with you play and and it's in interface with the game but imagine if you put recall the game but imagine if you put recall the game but imagine if you put recall on that then you actually have multiple on that then you actually have multiple on that then you actually have multiple people screens oh yeah back to recall people screens oh yeah back to recall people screens oh yeah back to recall again exactly run that into a again exactly run that into a again exactly run that into a Microsoft it have to run PC it would Microsoft it have to run PC it would Microsoft it have to run PC it would have to run in docks we would build it have to run in docks we would build it have to run in docks we would build it really really tight and run in dosx really really tight and run in dosx really really tight and run in dosx absolutely I think that's the way to go absolutely I think that's the way to go absolutely I think that's the way to go should we be should we be streaming this should we be should we be streaming this should we be should we be streaming this on Twitch Discord places like that on Twitch Discord places like that on Twitch Discord places like that probably probably for sure yeah yeah probably probably for sure yeah yeah probably probably for sure yeah yeah okay that's what I was thinking too Le okay that's what I was thinking too Le okay that's what I was thinking too Le put it on a BBS somewhere yeah yeah I put it on a BBS somewhere yeah yeah I put it on a BBS somewhere yeah yeah I mean you know obviously much to mean you know obviously much to mean you know obviously much to Leonard's shagrin we did try going live Leonard's shagrin we did try going live Leonard's shagrin we did try going live on clubhouse when it had its you know on clubhouse when it had its you know on clubhouse when it had its you know several weeks of fame um yeah was than that he was CED it was a yeah was than that he was CED it was a pain it was a pain the ass man that was pain it was a pain the ass man that was pain it was a pain the ass man that was yeah yeah I hear you I hear you yeah wow

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